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LIKE TO CALL OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP MEETING FOR JUNE THE SIXTH CAN WE HEAR THE ROLE, PLEASE? MR KIRBY PRESENT, MR. WALLACE PRESENT, MR SHELL. MS BRIGGS HERE. MR LORRISON. MR SHELL. HAVING NO MINUTES TAKES US TO ITEM FOR ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS AGENDA. DO WE HAVE[IV. Additions or Corrections to Agenda]
ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS AGENDA FROM STAFF? OKAY EVERYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE. YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. THANK YOU . AND WHILE WE'RE ALL STANDING IN SUCH SILENCE OUR PHONES. THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS HEARING FOR HEARING THE VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. UM, ARE THERE ANY SUCH VISITORS? THEN WE WILL GET TO THE AGENDA ITEMS. THOUGHT HAVING NO CASES. IT'S OTHER BUSINESS,[VIII. Other Business]
STARTING WITH THE ENGAGED NORMALLY STRATEGIC PLAN. GO AHEAD. SURE. SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO WORKSHOP A FEW ITEMS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED TO HAMLET DEVELOPMENT HERE IN NEW ALBANY. THE FIRST ANIMAL TO DISCUSS IS A HAMLET. FOCUS AREAS BE INCLUDED, AND THE ENGAGED NOMINEE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL AS SOME CODE UPDATES TO ENSURE THAT CITY CODEX CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ESTABLISHED AND THIS FOCUS AREA WOULD YOU PLAN ON BRINGING THESE ITEMS BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR FORMAL REVIEW AT YOUR JUNE 20TH MEETING WITH WHICH ISN'T JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO TO KIND OF GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION. AS YOU KNOW, THE HAMLET CONCEPT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL ENGAGED NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN MARCH OF 2021. FAIRLY SHORTLY AFTER THIS ADOPTION AND APPLICANT BROUGHT FORTH A PROPOSAL FOR A HAMLET DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION HOW IT WAS DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL. IN LATE 2021 SHORTLY AFTER THE DENIAL THIS PROPOSAL, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED CITY STAFF TO FURTHER STUDY THE HAMLET CONCEPTS AND IT'S BEST APPLICATION IN NEW ALBANY. SO BASED ON THIS DISCHARGE FROM CITY COUNCIL SINCE EARLY 2022 CITY STAFF ALONG WITH OUR PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE CONSULTANTS CSK HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DIGITAL DILIGENTLY ON THIS PROJECT. SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO CSK. WHO'S GOING TO GET KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF OUR PLANNING PROCESS WILL THEN PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED UPDATES, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD. OKAY? THERE. MY NAME IS SARAH LILY. I AM AN ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH MK SK AND I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ASHLEY SOLO THERE AND JEFF TONGANS AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON STUDYING THE HAMLET CONCEPT FOR NEW ALBANY. UM, OVER THE PAST. SEVERAL MONTHS. SO WE'VE GOT A BRIEF, UM, SLIDE DECK FOR YOU JUST TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH OUR PROCESS AND OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE'LL JUST WALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS. UM HERE. SO UM, TO BEGIN WITH WE KIND OF REALLY WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HAMLET HAMLET CONCEPT. UM, AND IT'S BEST APPLICATION. NEW ALBANY. SO WE, UH REVIEWED MULTIPLE CASE STUDIES AND KIND OF LITERATURE TO ARRIVE AT WHAT WE AND NUMBER TWO STEP NUMBER TWO. WE DETERMINED THE ESSENTIAL HAMLET COMPONENTS. UM BASED OFF OF OUR REVIEW OF CASE STUDIES AND LITERATURE. FROM THAT WE CREATED A FEW DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK SCENARIOS FOR, UM, THE SITE THAT WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. AND WE KIND OF LANDED ON ONE PREFERRED SCENARIO WORKING WITH THE KIND OF PLANNING TEAM WE WORKSHOP THOSE, AND THEN FROM THAT, WE ENDED UP DESIGNING A FEW DIFFERENT SITE PLAN SCENARIOS A LITTLE MORE DETAILED. STATE PLANS TO THEN ARRIVE AT STEP NUMBER FIVE FINAL FINALIZED KIND OF PREFERRED SITE PLAN THAT WE ALL AGREED ON. AND THEN USING THAT SITE PLAN, THAT'S WE KIND OF STARTED WITH THE FORM FIRST IN THE SITE PLAN TO THEN LEAD TO THE UM HAMLET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM TO TRT APPLICATION OF THE HAMLET STANDARDS FOR NEW ALBANY AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF, UM, ENDING WITH SORT OF A DOCUMENT TO SOME SUMMARIZE ALL OF THOSE FINDINGS FOR YOU ALL. SO JUST VERY QUICKLY. I WANTED TO KIND OF BRING UP. UM, THE ORIGIN IF YOU WILL OF THE HAMLET CONCEPT, UM, FOR INCORPORATION IN THE ENGAGEMENT ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN[00:05:03]
, SO THESE FINDINGS WERE FROM A SURVEY WE DID AS PART OF THE ENGAGEMENT ALBANY PROCESS. UM FOCUS REALLY ON LAND USE. SO THESE WERE KIND OF MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS. WE ASKED THE SECOND COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS. AND WE ASKED, YOU KNOW WHAT TYPES OF LAND USES THEY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THE NEW ALBANY. THIS WAS AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION. UM BUT YOU KNOW THERE YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTS WERE DINING AND RETAIL. PARKS RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE BEING KIND OF THE TOP. RESULTS. AND THEN WE ALSO ASKED A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND, UM WHETHER NEW ALBANY SHOULD REALLY TRY TO STRIVE TO BE A LIFESPAN COMMUNITY THAT OFFERS HOUSING SO THAT PEOPLE CAN AGENT PLACE HERE THAT THEY CAN LIVE THEIR FULL LIVES IN NEW ALBANY AND OFFER THE HOUSING TYPES TO DO THAT. SO OVERWHELMINGLY, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AGREED WITH THAT DIRECTION AND THAT STRATEGY. WHICH DID END UP GETTING INCLUDED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THEN WE ALSO ASKED. WE HEARD YOU KNOW THE NEED FOR MORE THINGS TO DO AND MORE WALKABLE RETAIL NORTH OF 1 61 THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO I PUT A STRATEGY THAT WE PROPOSED AT THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP FOR THIS WAS ADDING RETAIL AREAS TARGETED RETAIL AREAS WITHIN NEW ALBANY BUT OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AND UM, AS LONG AS THOSE RETAIL AREAS WOULD BE LIMITED IN GEOGRAPHY AND REALLY KIND OF, UM, DESIGNED TO KIND OF FIT INTO THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT AND SERVE THE NEIGHBORS. IN THAT AREA SO THAT ONE RESULTS A LITTLE BIT MORE MIXED, BUT STILL MAJORITY AGREEING WITH THAT, UM THAT KIND OF STRATEGY AND DIRECTIONS. SO THIS IS KIND OF REALLY WHERE YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED THE HAMLET CONCEPT WAS, UM, BEST TO BE INTEGRATED INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN BASED OFF OF THIS COMMUNITY INPUT. UM SO THAT'S JUST REALLY KIND OF SOME BACKGROUND THERE. UM, ON WHY WE WHY WE INCORPORATED THE HAMLET CONCEPT INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN , AND IT WAS. IT ALSO ORIGINATED FROM PREVIOUS PLANS THAT WE KIND OF THEN REVIVED THE CONCEPT IN THE 2021 STRATEGIC PLAN. SEVERE BASED OFF OF OUR RESEARCH AND OUR REVIEWS OF CASE STUDIES. THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL KIND OF HAMLET COMPONENTS THAT WE FELT A NEW ALBANY HAMLET SHOULD. EXHIBIT UM SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE A COMPACT AND WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERN COMPACT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S REALLY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED. WE WANT TO HAVE A CENTRAL ORGANIZING PUBLIC SPACE GREEN SPACE THAT'S FRAMED BY PUBLIC STREETS AND BUILDINGS. WE WANT TO HAVE ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR USES THAT REALLY KIND OF PROMOTE THAT PEDESTRIAN AND WALKABLE ACTIVITY. WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE . UM WE WANT TO PRIORITIZATION OF STREETS, SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CONNECTIONS AND CREATE KIND OF, UM REALLY EMPHASIZED THE CONNECTIONS OUTWARD AS WELL FROM THE SITE. UM SO THAT THERE'S PEOPLE CAN WALK BIKE. AND GET TO THE SITE EASILY. UM HAMLET AND BASED OFF OF OUR RESEARCH TENDS TO CONTAIN A MIX OF AT LEAST TWO OR MORE USES. SO THESE ARE MIXED USE AND THEY DO PROMOTE THAT KIND OF STEADY ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE DAY. HAMLETS IN NEW ALBANY SHOULD CONTAIN MEMORABLE ARCHITECTURE, PUBLIC SPACES AND PLACE MAKING ELEMENTS. THEY SHOULD BE UNIQUE PLACES THAT ARE DISTINCTIVE FROM UM, THE VILLAGE CENTER SO AS NOT TO COMPETE WITH THE VILLAGE CENTER, BUT TO REALLY CREATE AND FOSTER A HIGH QUALITY SENSE OF PLACE. STATION EMPHASIZE, AS AS ALL PLACES IN NEW ALBANY DO A DISCIPLINE OF MATERIALITY. UM PARKING SHOULD BE INTEGRATED THROUGH, UM ON STREET PARKING AND SURFACE PARKING BEHIND BUILDINGS, PREFERABLY AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS WANTING TO KEEP IN MIND THE CONTEXT. UM AND REALLY TRY TO EMPHASIZE CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN, UM AND LEVERAGING NATURAL ASSETS ON SITE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE. WE DID, UM, DISCUSS UPDATING THE FUTURE OF LAND USE MAP. UM BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE ORIGINALLY THE FUTURE LANDINGS MAP HAD TWO PROPOSED HAMLET SITES. ONE ALSO AT THE FIVE POINTS LOCATION AT, UM CENTRAL COLLEGE AND 62. WE'VE JUST LIMITED IT NOW TO THE ONE HAMLET SITE THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE KIND OF BROWN CIRCLE UM. UM, I DON'T. CAN YOU SAVE MONEY? YEAH. YEAH SO THAT IT'S JUST LIKE A OVER LIFE CIRCLE ON THE FUTURE LANDINGS MAP, AND THAT'S[00:10:05]
HOW THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS AS WELL . UM HERE IS THE ACTUAL NEW ALBANY HAMLET SITE THERE AT UM CENTRAL COLLEGE. AND 605. THE BOUNDS OF THE SITE WERE INCLUDED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND ONE OF THE FOCUS AREAS. IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A MIXED USE SITE. IN THE IN ONE OF THE FOCUS AREAS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. UM THIS SITE IS FULLY WITHIN THE CITY. AND IT DID. WE DID EXPAND THE BOUNDARY OF THE SITE, SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF THE STREAM CORRIDOR THAT BISECTS IT. SUGAR RUN CORRIDOR TO, UM, KIND OF BETTER CONNECT TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER USES THAT ARE SOUTH OF THE SITE.YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT EMPLOYMENT CENTER USES ALL AROUND THERE WITH THE FORMER DID DISCOVER FINANCIAL SERVICES SITE TO THE NORTH. YOU'VE GOT SOME NEW, NEWER 55 UP NEIGHBORHOODS NEARBY. SO LOTS OF AMENITIES. UM AND YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO A STATE ROUTE 1 61 ALL THAT. STOP ANYTHING ELSE. SO KIND OF MOVING FORWARD. IN OUR PROCESS. THIS WAS THE DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK SCENARIO THAT WE ALL LANDED ON. AND WE ALL AGREED ON WAS THE RIGHT APPROACH. UM THE FRAMEWORK IS REALLY JUST INTENDED, UM, TO BE KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL, SORT OF , UM, ORGANIZING DIAGRAM THAT WE USE THEM TO DEVELOP THE SITE PLAN FURTHER, SO UM, YOU KNOW, THIS HELPS US TO KIND OF ENVISION THE STREET LAYOUTS AND CONNECTIONS, UM, KIND OF THE GENERAL BLOCK LAYOUT AND THE GENERAL USE ORIENTATION WITHIN THE SITE. OBVIOUSLY PRIORITIZATION OF PRESERVATION OF THAT, UM, SUGAR RUN STREAM CORRIDOR WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS. THE FRAMEWORK OF HOW THIS SITE SHOULD BE DEVELOPED. WE REALLY WANTED TO PRIORITIZE THAT LINEAR GREEN SPACE CREATES SOME CONNECTIONS ALONG IT. TIE THAT GREEN SPACE INTO THE SITE THROUGH THAT CENTRAL GREEN THAT YOU SEE THERE. TO YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY GET PEOPLE OFF OF THE LEISURE TRAIL AND INTO THE SITE EXPERIENCING THE SITE. BUT THEN YOU SEE THE CONNECTIONS NORTH TO THE FUTURE THAT DISCOVER UM, SITE YOU SEE THE STREET CONNECTION EAST AND WEST CONNECTING OVER TO NEW ALBANY ROAD EAST. AND YOU KIND OF GENERALLY GET THE SENSE THAT THERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE AND SOME MORE KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR MIXED USE. WEST. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, NEARER TO THE CITY OF COLUMBUS FOUNDRY. SO THEN ONCE WE HAD ALL AGREED ON THAT DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK WE MOVED FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING THE KIND OF PREFERRED SITE PLAN. UM THIS IS THIS IS OUR EXERCISE FOR DEVELOPING THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS NOT A UM, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL BY ANY MEANS, BUT THIS IS HOW WE ENVISION A SHAME LIT, UH, A NEW ALBANY HAMLET BEING DEVELOPED. SO THIS JUST FURTHER KIND OF EXPANDS ON THAT DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK THAT I SHOULD PREVIOUSLY KIND OF BREAKING OUT THAT USES A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO YOU GET TO SEE THE BUILDING ORIENTATIONS. BUILDING LAYOUTS.
UM WE DID INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY. ON THE FAR EAST TO KIND OF, UM, TRANSITION INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S FURTHER TO THE EAST TOWN HOMES. UM YOU'VE GOT THAT MIXED USE CENTER THAT CORE THAT'S REALLY THE HEART OF THE HAMLET. THAT'S UM YOU KNOW THESE MIXED USE BUILDINGS FRAMING A CENTRAL GREEN SPACE OF PUBLIC GREEN SPACE. UM YOU'VE GOT MIXED USE COMMERCIAL FRONTING CENTRAL COLLEGE KIND OF CREATING THAT TRANSITION TO THE WEST TO THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. YOU'VE GOT THAT REALLY STRONG PUBLIC STREET THAT RUNS THROUGH THE HAMLET AND CONNECTS OUTWARDS. YOU'VE GOT THE STREAM CORRIDOR, THE SUGAR RUN STREAM CORRIDOR THAT'S REALLY, UM AND NATURALIZED PUBLIC AMENITY. WOULD WE? WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT? UM EMPHASIZE LEISURE TRAIL CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THEIR REALLY CREATING, UM, A PUBLIC GREEN SPACE WITH THAT. AGAIN TYING INTO THE HAMLET THROUGH CONNECTIONS, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CONNECTIONS AND THEN SOUTH OF THE STREAM CORRIDOR WE'VE SHOWN AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EMPHASIZING THAT LIFECYCLE HOUSING, KNOWING THAT THERE'S PROBABLY DEMAND FOR HOUSING FOR ALL AGES HERE, SO THIS THIS HAMLET DOES REALLY KIND OF EMBODY THAT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU GOT. SO UM, BASED OFF OF AGAIN, WE STARTED WITH THE FORM. UM AND THEN WE USED THAT TO GET TO SORT
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OF THESE. THESE HAMLET STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED SO BASED OFF OF THAT PREFERRED SITE PLAN . WE USE THAT TO GET TO, UM, THESE THESE NUMBERS AND THE STANDARDS THAT YOU SEE HERE, SO THE RECOMMEND THAT THE GROWTH DENSITY OF A HAMLET DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE ABOUT SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE NOT TO EXCEED UM, THAT YOU KNOW. THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE SHOWING. IT'S ABOUT 75% DEVELOPED PLAN TO ABOUT 25% PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, SO THAT SEEMS TO BE ABOUT THE RIGHT MIX. OBVIOUSLY, THAT 25% INCLUDES THE SUGAR RUN STREAM CORRIDOR, WHICH WE'VE WE'VE PROTECTED AND YOU KNOW, MADE INTO AN AMENITY. THEY HAMLET DEVELOPMENT. SO UM, WE WANTED TO GET AT WHAT THE RIGHT MIX OF USES SHOULD BE WITHIN A HAMLET. SO WE DID THIS BY CREATING, UM, A COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL RATIO WITHIN A HAMLET AND YOU KNOW THE PREFERRED SITE PLAN. WE CREATED WAS, UM, ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES FOR EVERYONE DWELLING UNITS, SO THAT WOULD YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT WOULD CREATE A VIBRANT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. WE GAVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN A HAMLET SHOULD INCLUDE, OR COULD INCLUDE, UM SO ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, RETAIL RESTAURANTS, HOTELS AND PERSONAL SERVICE BUSINESSES. UM, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY WANT TO LIMIT KIND OF DRIVE THRU TYPE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE SITE BECAUSE WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THAT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED CHARACTER OF A HAMLET. WE WANT TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT GROUND FLOOR AND , UM, THE ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR USES WITHIN A HAMLET. SO, UM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ALL RESTAURANTS AND ALL RETAIL SO THAT WOULD CREATE SOME, UM PEAK TIME ISSUES AND THAT WOULD CREATE PARKING CHALLENGES. WE DON'T WANT TO OVERBUILD PARKING, SO WE WANT TO KIND OF EMPHASIZE A THAT GROUND FLOOR AND COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN A HAMLET SHOULD BE COMPLEMENTARY. AND, UM, NOT OVERWHELMED OR CREATE TOO MUCH PARKING DEMAND AT ONE TIME OF DAY OR A COUPLE OF TIMES A DAY. SO REALLY EMPHASIZING POTENTIALLY SHARED PARKING MODELS, UM, BETWEEN OFFICE AND RETAIL AND OTHER USES. UM WE DID CREATE A HEIGHT. UM, RECOMMENDATION HERE. SO IN THE ORIGINAL STRATEGIC PLAN, THE HAMLET STANDARDS UM, THE HEIGHT RECOMMENDATION WASN'T STORIES.WE FELT THAT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AND DIRECTION ON BUILDING HEIGHT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THEM IN FEET. SO WE HAVE, UM 55 FT. AROUND THE CIVIC GREEN AND 40 FT AT THE PERIMETER. AND THAT WILL HELP TO KIND OF CREATE SOME, UM, INTERESTING ARCHITECT ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST, ESPECIALLY IN THE ROOF LINE AND UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, DORMERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM SO. DO WE JUST, UH, CHANGE THAT STANDARD A LITTLE BIT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AND DIRECTION. AND THEN SO WE, YOU KNOW, DO WANT TO SEE PUBLIC STREETS WITHIN A HAMLET DEVELOPMENT. THOSE STREETS SHOULD BE LINED BY BUILDINGS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME LIMITED DRIVEWAYS. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PROBLEMS. LTD DRIVEWAYS, PUBLIC SPACES AND PROPERLY SCREENED PARKING LOTS. UM WE DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE INTEGRATED PARKING THROUGHOUT THE SITE, SO THERE'S NOT JUST HUGE SWAMPS OF SURFACE PARKING THAT PARKING IS INCORPORATED THROUGH ON STREET PARKING ON THOSE PUBLIC STREETS. SURFACE PARKING LOTS LOCATED BEHIND PRIMARY BUILDINGS WE WOULD ALLOW FOR LIMITED SURFACE PARKING LOTS, LOCATED BESIDE PRIMARY BUILDINGS OR TO THE SIDE OF THEM. AND STRUCTURED PARKING IF THE DEMAND REQUIRED IT. WE WILL SAY THAT SURFACE PARKING LOTS AGAIN SHOULD BE PROPERLY SCREENED FROM THE STREET TO REALLY CREATE THAT WALKABLE CHARACTER. WE DON'T WANT GARAGES. UM UH, FACING THE REAR OF LOTS AND WE DON'T WANT GARAGE DOORS FACING PRIMARY STREETS. AND AGAIN TO, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE ACCESS MANAGEMENT ISSUES. WE WANT DR. LOCATIONS KEPT TO A MINIMUM AND WE YOU KNOW WOULD REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT PEDESTRIAN, UM, CHARACTER FOR BUILDING ORIENTATION. AN HONEST GET INTO SOME OF THE REGULATORY KIND OF STANDARDS. SO UM, WE WANT, UH, TO SEE A SHARED PARKING MODEL, PREFERABLY SO ANYONE SEEKING TO BUILD A HAMLET DEVELOPMENT SHOULD SUBMIT A PARKING MODEL TO DEMONSTRATE THAT SUFFICIENT PARKING IS PROVIDED FOR THE MIX OF USES ON SITE. WE REALLY WANT TO DISCOURAGE ACCESS PARKING OVER PARKING. WE UM YOU KNOW, HAMLET
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DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS SHOULD INCLUDE AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN SHOWING HOW IT FITS INTO THE AREA AND CONNECT IN ITS CONNECTED, UM WITH THE SURROUNDINGS. THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD GO THROUGH PUBERTY REZONING PROCESS IN THE THIS IS FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN , ORIGINALLY THAT A RB SHOULD REVIEW FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. AND THEN, UM, THE HAMLET SHOULD REFERENCE OBVIOUSLY APPLICABLE CHAPTERS OF THE GRS. ARE YOU TAKING OVER FROM HERE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SARAH. SO THE LAST THING I'M GONNA GO OVER WITH YOU TONIGHT, OR WORKSHOP WITH YOU GUYS AS WE DO HAVE A FEW PROPOSED CODE UPDATES. THESE ARE REALLY KIND OF THE WAY THAT THE BEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT THESE IS KIND OF TAKING, UM STARTING AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND TRANSLATING THAT INTO CODE SO THEY MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS COHESIVE AND EVERYTHING SPEAKING SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE. OVER THESE VERY BRIEFLY. WE HAVE UPDATED CHAPTER 11 57, WHICH IS THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW OVERLAY DISTRICT. WE SIMPLY ADDED A DEFINITION FOR WHAT A HAMLET IS. WE ALSO STATE THAT A HAMLET IS REQUIRED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BOARD AT THE TIME OF FUNDING DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE NEXT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THEM TOGETHER , SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDED THIS GO AROUND IT WAS THAT THERE SHOULD BE ABOUT 25% OPEN SPACE APARTMENT AND OPEN SPACE COMBINED IN A HAMLET. UH PREVIOUS TO THIS. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY STANDARDS FOR HOW MUCH PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE HAMLET. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE ADDED THAT IN WE DID KIND OF CHANGE CODE AROUND A LITTLE BIT. AS IT EXISTS. TODAY PARKMAN AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS ARE TRIGGERED WHEN THERE'S WHEN A FINAL PLAN IS SUBMITTED FOR A SUBDIVISION. BUT FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, I AM WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE MAY NOT ALWAYS GET A FINAL PLATT. THEREFORE, HOW COULD THOSE REQUIREMENTS BE TRIGGERED? SO WHAT WE DID IS WE PROPOSED TO RELOCATE THOSE REQUIREMENTS ALTOGETHER. TO GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THAT WAY WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALWAYS GIVING PARLIAMENT IN OPEN SPACE WHEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURS. AND THAT IS ALSO WHERE WE INCLUDED THAT 25% COMBINED PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. THE LAST THING THAT WE DID WAS REALLY SORT OF A CLARIFICATION AND R D GRS THAT NOBODY DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS. IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR WHAT REQUIREMENTS APPLIED TO SINGLE FAMILY. IN MULTI FEELING DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WAS CONSIDERED MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO WE SIMPLY ADDED ONE SENTENCE, CLARIFY THEIR AND SECTION FIVE. THAT MULTI FAMILY MEANS ANYTHING THAT IS NON SINGLE, FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS. AND WITH THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. OKAY, UM. B UT RESULTING PROCESS CITIES ARE ARE BEING SHOULD REVIEW FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. I PRESUME THAT IS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ALSO REVIEWING FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. THE WAY THAT WE DRAFTED THE CODE WAS THAT THE AIR B WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR READING IT FIRST AND THEN MAKING HER COMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. PC STILL REVIEWS YES. OKAY I HAVE A BUNCH OF DETAILED STUFF THAT I WILL SPARE THE AUDIENCE UNTIL WE GET THROUGH WITH OTHER KINDS.QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM OTHER FOLKS THAT WAS. ONE THAT JUST WENT BY, UM FIRST LET ME CHECK WITH OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. MAYBE I'LL START WITH A COUPLE AND THEN SOME PEOPLE JUMP IN. BUT UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO TO CORRECT THIS, TOO. BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC OUTCRY, THE FIRST TIME THE SCHEME BEFORE US I WAS GETTING EMAILS FROM MOTHERS AND THE COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS AND THE WHOLE AND SLEW OF CONCERNS AND A LOT OF THEM WERE ACCURATE . A LOT OF THEM WERE RUMORS THAT REALLY WEREN'T TRUE. BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS. AND MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ALL THAT DIFFERENT. FROM THE INITIAL PROPOSAL. MAYBE SHORTER. REMEMBER THERE WAS A THREE STORY BUILDING THAT NOW MAYBE LIMITING BY SEEMS LIKE A SIMILAR WAY OUT. IS THERE I GUESS WE HAVE THEM. YEAH. YES.
YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. SO WHEN COUNSELOR IS REVIEWING THE KNOWN PROJECTS. YEAH THEY TASKED, UM CITY STAFF WITH LOOKING BACK AT OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE ISSUES WAS THAT ARE EXISTING CODIFIED ORDINANCES. DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE A HAMLET TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE WAS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THIS CONCEPT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AT THE TIME THAT WAS CALLED A HAMLET THAT SARAH MENTIONED THAT WE RESURRECTED. AND THEN OUR CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT CAME DOWN BOTH FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT OF PARKLAND, AND THEN I THINK A SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS AND
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HYDRAULIC WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA? SO THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TASKED WAS TO ADDRESS THOSE DISCONNECT SINCE OUR CODE IS BUILT FOR A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS AND WE'VE JUST NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE OUR CODE TO ADDRESS THAT. THESE THIS HAMLET FORM OF DEVELOPMENTS. SO WE PUT IN WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND WORKED WITH THEM. CASK A IS LOOKING AT WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE LAYOUT AND DESIGN IN THE CITY'S EYES.THE CITY STAFF WE, YOU KNOW, BENEFITED FROM HAVING SOME STARTING STANDPOINT, SO TO SPEAK FROM OTHER PROJECTS, AND THIS BASIC DESIGN STANDARDS OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT EXIST IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN TODAY, SO THAT WAS OUR STARTING POINT. THAT WE JUMPED OFF FROM? UM, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME SCENARIOS TO, UM, REALLY LIKE A TECHNICAL ASSESSMENTS AND GONE THROUGH THESE TRAINING EXERCISES TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE HEIGHTS OUT THERE? WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE DENSITIES, DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND MIX OF LAND USES. SO TODAY, THE ENGAGED NEW ALBANY PLAN HAS, I THINK, LIKE 10 OR SO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS CONCEPT THAT WE CALL THE HAMLET AND WHAT SARAH LILY SHARED WITH YOU WOULD BE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANS. THERE'S REALLY TWO THINGS TONIGHT. AS CHRIS MENTIONED IN TWO WEEKS WILL HAVE A UPDATE TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND THEN IN TANDEM WITH THAT, SINCE THERE IS STILL THAT DISCONNECT IN OUR OUR CITY CODIFIED ORDINANCE IS UPDATING THE CODE. SO IT MATCHES WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ADDRESSES THIS HANDLING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AND THAT'S WHAT CHRIS JUST WENT OVER WITH YOU IN THESE CHAPTERS UP HERE TONIGHT. UM JEFF, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING WHERE. GOOD EVENING FROM MPS K. YES. SO I THINK, STEPHEN, YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THE PROCESS. WHAT DO WE WANT OUT OF A HAMLET STYLE DEVELOPMENT? WHAT WAS MISSING FROM A CODE FROM OUR RULES. SO ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE CREATED HERE IN OUR LANGU IS THE CAPACITY PLAN. SO WE APPLY ALL OF THOSE RULES. ALL OF THOSE LESSONS THAT WE LEARNED WITH STEVEN AND HIS TEAM CREATED A PLAN THAT MET THOSE RULES AND MET THOSE GUIDELINES. SO DOES IT HAVE 25% OPEN SPACE? YES DO WE HAVE A STORM WATER OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN? YES, HAVE WE HIDDEN THE PARTY AND CREATED A WALKABLE STREET NETWORK. YES, YES, YES. AND SO THE OUTPUT INSTRUCTED. TOTAL DENSITY. SARAH MENTIONED 16 YEARS PER ACRE. WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP SOME. THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL SPACE WE WOULD WANT HERE AS AN OUTCOME OF THIS FORM AS AN OUTCOME OF THE PLAN. IN SUBSEQUENT PARKING WAR. WE WOULD LIKE COMPLIMENTARY USES SHARED PARKING, ETCETERA, SO THAT'S SORT OF THE EVOLUTION. YOU KNOW , I THINK YOU MADE A COMMENT. THIS ISN'T THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST PLAN. THAT'S TRUE. THIS IS YOU KNOW, FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, PRETTY SMALL PIECE OF GROUND WITH FOR REASONABLY INSTRUCTIVE EDGES. PROPERTY LINE OF MUSICALITY TO MAJOR ROADWAYS AND A STREAM SO FORM OF THE TWO PLANS. YOU'RE RIGHT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. IN THAT FORM IS THIS ROADWAY THAT SORT OF CONNECTS 605 TO CENTRAL COLLEGE. WE SEE THAT IN THIS CAPACITY PLANNING THIS DIAGRAM IS THE PUBLIC. AND SO I CAN KIND OF ELABORATE ON YOU KNOW MORE AS YOU LIKE, BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE ORIGIN OF THE PLAN. CODE LANGUAGE AND SOME OF THE RULES THAT WE ESTABLISHED.
CAN YOU REMIND ME HOW MANY ACRES HE SAYS 30 GRAND, RIGHT? THANK YOU. THE GAMBLING. THUS, A HAMLET. CONCEPT. WITH ITS DENSITY OF SIX. THE DENSITY OF SIX. HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO AN AREA LIKE HAS BEEN WE HAVE A CATHOLIC AS A CASE STUDY. DO WE REMEMBER IT'S SENSITIVE. WAS GOING TO SAY. YEAH. SO THE DENSITY WOULD BE IN THIS CONCEPTUAL YEAH, AREA AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS RIGHT. IT'S JUST A CONCEPT TEXT ALL THE BOX MARKET PRODUCTS, BUILDING PARKING RATIO TICKS ALL THE BOXES. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE ALSO USE THAT AS A HEIGHT EXAMPLE TO WRITE. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE HEIGHT THAT'S IN HERE, SO NOT ONLY FROM A DENSITY AND I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S MORE DENSE BUT FROM A HEIGHT COMPARISON. IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON FOR THE 40 FT HIGH
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RECOMMENDED IN HERE. YEAH. SO YOU WERE JUST SO WITH REGARD TO HIGHLIGHT. HOW DOES THE HEIGHT 55 40 RELATED TO WHAT WE HAVE? OH, YEAH, BECAUSE WITH THERE WAS BUILDINGS ARE PROBABLY PEAKING.READING. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. THREE STORIES THAT RIGHT ? YEP THAT'S RIGHT. YES SO THERE YOU CAN JUMP IN HERE IF I GET THIS WRONG, BUT THIS IS SORT OF THAT LINE. FOUR. FOUR. TO THE MIC. THE. WE RECOMMENDED THE 40 FT WITHIN 250 FT OF CENTRAL COLLEGE AND 65 SO BASICALLY ALL THE TOWN HOMES UM, AND EVEN THAT , THAT MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AT THE FRONTING CENTRAL COLLEGE WOULD FOLLOW WITHIN THE 40 FT RECOMMENDATION. REALLY THE 55 WAS TO TRY TO GET AT SOME INTEREST AND KIND OF CREATE THAT CORE AT THE MIXED USE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU SO APPLY UNDER TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. AS I TRY TO RELATE IT TO SOMETHING. SORT OF PHYSICAL DENSITY OF THIS CONCEPTUAL. HAMLET AREAS ACTUALLY LESS. THE DENSITY OF WHAT WE HAVE. CENTER IT IS. YEAH, PILED UP. A FEW CATHOLICS AND A FEW BRIDGES SQUARES ON THIS SITE, YOU WOULD END UP WITH A LOT MORE JUST DENSITY. AND ULTIMATELY, THAT'S WHAT MHM. THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL THAT BASED ON ON THIS KIND OF DENSITY, COULD YOU APPROXIMATE HOW MANY CHILDREN WOULD WOULD BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. AH THIS SO THE SCHOOL IMPACT STATEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED AND EVALUATED AS PART OF A REZONING PROCESS. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TODAY. BUT WHEN A TRUE AND A REAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL COMES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AS AT THAT TIME THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THAT SCHOOL IMPACT STATEMENT, AND THEN WE CAN EVALUATE THAT. LET'S DO THE MATH. HOW MANY DO YOU DWELLING UNITS? FOR IN THIS PICTURE HERE. HOW MANY UNITS. OKAY, IT'S TIMES 0.8. SO THAT'S FOR A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. THERE'S DIFFERENT WHAT WE CALL LOAD FACTORS SO AND IT'S WE'VE WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS ANNUALLY TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT COME FROM DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN NEW ALBANY AND OUTSIDE IN NEW ALBANY THERE IN COLUMBUS, BUT STILL WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT LOAD FACTOR IS, SO WE FIND THAT IT IS LESS AND DENSER, MORE MULTI FAMILY TYPE STRUCTURES. UM SO THE 0.8 OR WHATEVER I THINK THAT IS TRUE FOR DETACHED TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN TYPE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF ATTACHING THAT'S IN MULTI FAMILY SO YOU COULD MAKE THE COMPARISON . BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE A FAIR COMPARISON HERE. IN THIS CASE, IT PROVIDES AN UPPER BOUND I'M SORRY. IT WOULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE US WITH A NUMBER OF BOUND IF ALL THOSE UNITS WERE SINGLE FAMILY WE'D BE AT 16 ROUGHLY 15 STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND I DON'T KNOW YOUR RATIO OF SINGLE FAMILY TOO. OTHER ONES THAT I DON'T KNOW YOUR LOAD FACTORS. IF YOU'VE GOT THEM HANDY THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY. UM I COULD SEE IF I CAN FIND THOSE FOR YOU. BUT CERTAINLY I THINK YOU KNOW THIS IS ONE CASE SCENARIO. I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S DONE AS PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS AND NEVER AS PART OF A STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE OR EVEN CODIFIED. JUST BECAUSE IT CAN VARY SO MUCH , AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO STRESS, TOO, THAT THIS IS JUST ONE CASE SCENARIO THAT WE USED TO HELP INFORM OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. CERTAINLY I THINK THE VARIETY AND THE MIXTURE OF THE TYPES OF USES WILL INFORM US AS A GROUP. YOU KNOW, DURING A REZONING PROCESS OF WHAT THOSE YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS GENERATE WILL BE FROM FROM THAT REAL PROJECT.
GREAT BUT SINCE THIS ONE CHECKS ALL THE BOXES WE COULD RUN THE NUMBERS IS THAT WE WERE ASKED AS THE OWNER WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD IT. YEAH, I GUESS YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF WE CONTEMPLATED EVERY TYPE OF USE HERE, BUT POINT, BUT YEAH MADE IS THAT WE COULD PLAN TESTED. AGAINST OUR UNIT FIRES AS AN EXAMPLE. FOR THE NEXT TIME WE VISIT YEAH. AND THIS IS A YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY. THIS IS A CAR AND IT MIGHT NOT BE THE ONE SOMEONE IS GOING TO TRY AND SELL ON THIS PROPERTY. WHAT IT'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS ABOUT THE SAME STUFF. WELL BECAUSE I SUSPECT I SUSPECT A LOT OF THE
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PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. THIS BIG VERSUS THIS BIG GO AHEAD MORE. RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND VARIOUS SORTS FIT. CHECK ALL THE BOXES OR IS THIS SORT OF A MAXIMUM OF WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT? RESIDENTS WISE AND THIS TYPE OF HAMLET IN THIS OBVIOUSLY IN THIS IS ALSO BEING PUT ON THE SPOT. SO IT'S KIND OF SPECIFIC AND GENERAL AT THE SAME TIME, AND, YEAH, I MEAN, THE CAPACITY PLAN IS SORT OF TRICKY IN THAT WAY, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO FORECAST OF, UH, FUTURE OPPORTUNITY, NOT NECESSARILY THE OUTCOME. SO YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT IF YOU WILL. YEAH. MORE COMMERCIAL, LESS COMMERCIAL. MORE OF THIS TYPE OF UNIT LESS OF THIS TYPE. I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE. THE CITY ENOUGH RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT YOU CAN EVALUATE SOMETHING ON ITS MERITS , BUT ALSO PROVIDE ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY AND FLEXIBILITY FOR THE MARKETPLACE TO BRING YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE, OR AND OR MEANS THAT CIRCUIT IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION. THAT WAS A PRETTY BIG, BUT, UM THE ANSWER IS YES, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT CREATE THE PLAN AND LIKE I SAID THE SITE IT'S SO SMALL.THERE'S NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO FROM A ROADWAY NETWORK. HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT. WITH THEIR BE ANY AGE RESTRICTED. THERE COULD BE RESTRICTED. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT YOU COULDN'T DO THAT. I JUST I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. AND I KNOW THIS IS WAY DOWN. THE ASSISTED LIVING THING THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS INTEREST STRICT ID RIGHT AS AN EXAMPLE STREAM LITTLE UNLIKELY TO PRODUCE SCHOOLCHILDREN, RIGHT? UM, JUSTS CONCEPTUAL WERE WAY DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE WOULD EVER APPROVE THE FINAL, BUT I IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE FEEDBACK THAT IN THE COMMUNITY WAS CONCERN FOR OVERLOADING THE SCHOOLS, EVEN THOUGH SUPERINTENDENT SAWYER'S EVEN PUT A LETTER OUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN SUPPORTING IT, SO ULTIMATELY, COMMUNICATION HAS TO BE ROCK SOLID TO THE COMMUNITY. ABOUT HOW MANY CHILDREN YOU KNOW THE SCHOOL SUPPORTED. THIS IS HOW THEY SUPPORT IT. I JUST THINK COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL WITH THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE FEEDBACK I WAS GETTING THE SCHOOLS IN TRAFFIC. BY FAR THE BIGGEST BIGGEST CONCERNS. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT WAS ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT LEAST BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THAT SCHOOLS WERE NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED AND NEITHER WITH TRAFFIC, SO I THINK YOUR POINT THAT COMMUNICATION IS VERY IMPORTANT AS IT IS VERY BAD. YEAH, I THINK I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THOSE TWO THINGS WILL KEEP THOSE IN MIND AND YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. BUT ANECDOTALLY, THIS IS VERY LOW INTENSITY DEVELOPMENTS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC. SEEN THE ROADWAY NETWORK THAT WE'RE ILLUSTRATING , DISTRIBUTES TRAFFIC TO R TWO.
ARTERIAL ROADS. HENSCHEL CONNECTS WESTWARD AS WELL AND DISTRIBUTES APART. THROUGHOUT THE SITE, WHICH I THINK ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS I HOPE. YOU KNOW, IF A HAMLET DOES COME BEFORE YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT. AS WELL AS NOT BEING INTENSELY DEVELOPED. OFFICER COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE A PEAK DEMAND. IF YOU KNOW HOW MANY FEET ARE THOSE TWO ROADS IN THE INTERSECTION OF 65 CENTRAL COLLEGE? HERE AND HERE. YEAH. THINK ABOUT. NO I THINK THERE ARE A FEW 100 FT. I WAS. I THINK THIS ONE IS PROBABLY ABOUT 3. 50 THINK THIS ONE IS ABOUT A 600. BUT THAT. SO THIS IS GOING TO FEEL MORE LIKE A STANDARD ROADWAY INTERSECTION DIMENSION. THIS IS GOING TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU KNOW A SHORTER SURE. THE LINE WITH ENTRY. HANDY THING THAT PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO KNOW IS WHEN DO THE STACKING LANES FOR THE PROTECTED LEFTS? START COMPARED TO THE INTERSECTION SO THAT IT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE PERSPECTIVE. HERE ON 605 LEFT TURN LANE ABOUT HERE AND WHERE THIS MANY LEFT TURN LANES BACK.
SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SAY OH, I DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT TO PUNCH THROUGH A LEFT TURN LINE. TO MAKE A TURN. THAT BECAUSE IT. FOR SCALE PURPOSES AND FOR PEOPLE WHO DRIVE AROUND HERE TO BE ABLE TO SAY NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN TERMS OF TOTAL CARLING STACK. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? RIGHT NOW ON 605. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A LEFT UNDER SEVERAL COLLEGE, YOU GET PROTECTED LEFT AND THERE'S A STACKING LANE AND THEN IT NARROWS DOWN BACK TO THE TO LINE 605. AND IF YOU OVERLAID THOSE LANE MARKERS ON THIS. IT WOULD PROVIDE. REFERENCE POINTS
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. PEOPLE WHO DRIVE IT EVERY DAY TO SAY OH, I CAN TELL WHERE YOU'RE AT. NO, THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM OR LIKE GET REAL. YOU'LL NEVER MAKE A LEFT OUT OF HERE, WHICH IS WHAT THAT'S A SERIOUS QUESTION FOR ALL THE FOLKS AROUND OH, MY GOD, I'M GOING TO BE GOING DOWN 605 AT 40 MILES AN HOUR. IT'S 45 MILES AN HOUR, KICKING IT DOWN FROM 50. AND SOME JOKER IS GOING TO COME OUT OF HERE AND GET T BONED. IN FRONT OF ME, AND I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE TO BE BONING THEM BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA PULL OUT IN FRONT OF 45 MILE AN HOUR TRAFFIC. NOT THAT ACCORDING LITTLE SIGN THAT FURTHER DOWN THE 35 ZONE, SOME INTERESTING NUMBERS OFF OF THAT. FORM OF WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO. SOUTHBOUND ON 605. THESE ARE YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. TRAFFIC IS MOVING UP IN THIS FAR. FAIRLY LARGE ROADWAY ITSELF. DOES THE DOES THE HAMLET CONCEPT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC CIRCLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YEAH. SO TRAFFIC CIRCLE. WE WOULD START TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC LIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW, MANAGING TRACK. SO, YEAH, YOU MIGHT. OR ONE OF THESE INTERSECTIONS SPITBALLING WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO ATTRACT. SURE. UM DO WE HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION TO DO IT ON 605? UH FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A TRAFFIC CIRCLE HERE, BUT YEAH, SO THE SORRY I FEEL LIKE I ALWAYS GO BACK TO PROCESS. BUT TRAFFIC IS A GREAT QUESTION. AND SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING LIKE THE SCHOOL IMPACT THAT WE REVIEW AS PART OF THAT TECHNICAL ANALYSIS AS PART OF A REZONING THAT YOU KNOW, THE STRATEGIC PLAN ALWAYS HAS STREET SECTIONS AND A JOURNAL THOROUGHFARE PLAN.AND WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS TAKEN THIS TO A FOCUS AREA LEVEL, SO WE'VE TALKED MORE ABOUT LAND USE, BUT WHAT I DO RECALL THEM AND I HATE TO MAKE COMPARISONS DOESN'T KNOW WE'RE DOING TONIGHT BETWEEN YOU KNOW THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE PREVIOUS, UM, KNOWING A PROJECT BUT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY ACTUALLY SHOWED THAT THERE WAS VERY MINIMAL IMPACT TO TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. UM AND THAT WAS I THINK, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY MORE DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. BUT I REMEMBER THERE WAS REALLY NO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED. I THINK THEY NEEDED TO ADD ONE, UH, TURN LANE ON NEW ALBANY CONDUCT ROAD. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AS JUSTIFICATION TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT, SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY AN ADDED BENEFIT TO THE STREETS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT WHAT IT WOULD JUSTIFY LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT ALONG NEW ALBANY CONDUCT ROAD FROM 45 TO 35. BUTY MEMORY, BUT I DO THINK THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC CIRCLES AND INTERSECTION, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE REZONING LIKE IT WAS LAST TIME, AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK HERE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR YOUR REVIEW AND ANALYSIS. UNDERSTOOD MY POINT HERE IS I'M TRYING TO GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE THEY'RE ASKED FOR. PUBLIC. MHM AND WHO. DON'T DO THIS ONCE A MONTH. YEAH THERE WAS SPEAKING CENTRAL COLLEGE. THERE WAS CAPACITY. I THINK IT WAS JUST LIKE A RE STRIPING EXERCISE THERE. THERE WAS NO WIDENING NEEDED, I THINK OTHER THAN HAVING A RIGHT TURN LANE ON NEW ALBANY CONDUCT ROAD MAKING A RIGHT ON CENTRAL COLLEGE. BUT UM , DUE TO THIS ARE, YOU KNOW SCENARIO MATCHING FROM A SITE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE WITH THE LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY. I THINK THAT IS A BENEFITS. UM, TO LESS THAN THE NEED FOR OTHER TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROADS. I THINK WE UNDER WE UNDERSTAND R AND R WORKING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION GIVEN HALF. THE ROADWAY NETWORK IS GENERALLY SUITABLE, BUT FOR RETURN LANE OR AN INTERVENTION HERE AND THERE MOVING ON. IF YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ONE, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR SORT OF AS MANY AS YOU CAN NAME YOUR TOP 10 LIST OF ALL THE THINGS WOULD GO INTO RED. YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A THIS THERE'D BE A THAT IF YOU'RE PLAYING SIMCITY IN GOD MODE, WHAT WOULD BE PICKING UP OFF? I WOULD SAY VERY, UH AH, IN TERMS OF SCALE AND TYPE. CERTAINLY THIS IS MUCH SMALLER THAN MARKET SQUARE, BUT THE SAME SORT OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE THERE AND I WOULD ALSO INCLUDE SMALL CAFES, RESTAURANTS. I THINK PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WOULD FIT IN THERE VERY WELL, EVEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR, RETAIL ORIENTED OFFICE LIKE A DENTIST. THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. NOT ANYMORE. I GENERALISTS STUFF AND I WAS TRYING TO GET AS AS RICH IN THE PICTURE. PERSONAL SERVICES. SO YOU CAN YOU MIGHT SEE A YOGA STUDIO. YOU MIGHT SEE HAIR NAILS. SMALL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT THINGS. OKAY? WHAT'S THAT? BOUTIQUE OFFICE, RIGHT? SORT OF SAYING, SAME THING. YEAH, THAT WAS THAT SATISFACTORY. IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM, BUT IT WILL BECOME THE DEVELOPERS PROBLEM AS SOON AS THEY MAKE A PROPOSAL. BUT HAVING EVERYBODY HAVING AN IDEA OF OH,
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WELL, I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC, BUT THERE'D BE A FILLING YOUR FAVORITE REST.CAMERON MITCHELL HERE OR NO, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A FULL SIZED CAMERON MITCHELL. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE AS BIG AS THE RUSTY BUCKET OR OLD SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY YES, I'D GO THERE. OKAY I'D FIGHT THE TRAFFIC TO GO THERE BECAUSE THAT HELPS PEOPLE SAY OH, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM IN MY BACKYARD. IT'S AN AMENITY IN MY BACKYARD. I WAS TRYING TO JUST A GENERAL. YOU WERE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC. I THINK I THINK YEAH. YOU SORT OF NAILED IT WHEN WE SAY THINGS LIKE ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR. USES AROUND THE CIVIC GREEN THINGS YOU DESCRIBE ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE MEAN. WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A YOU KNOW, 9000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT THAT YOU WOULD SEE OUTSIDE OF POWER CENTER, BUT YEAH RUSTY BUCKET OLD BAG OF NAILS, HUDSON 29, THOSE SORTS OF SCALE RESTAURANTS , SMALLER THINGS LIKE ICE CREAM OR COFFEE. IN TERMS OF OTHER THINGS. FITNESS SO ON AND SO FORTH SMALL, YOU KNOW SMALLER, UM, PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE.
THINGS LIKE. QUICK QUESTION, SO HOPEFULLY THE THINGS THAT RESIDENTS, UM WOULD FIND DESIRABLE BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED IN OUR ENGAGED SURVEYS. IS UNDERGROUND PARKING TOO EXPENSIVE, OR IS IT EVEN CONSIDERATION? UM WELL. MM. I THINK IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO ANSWER. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE COMPARED TO CIRCUS PARKING OR EVEN ELEVATED PARKING. YOU ARE MOST OFTEN SEE IT IN OUR MARKETPLACE IN THE BASEMENT OF MULTI FAMILY BUILDING. THAT'S. YOU KNOW THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE YOU'LL SEE IT GO UNDERGROUND IN THE MIDWEST. QUESTION, MAYBE FOR STAFF. HOW DO WE GET THE RIGHT MIX? BECAUSE I'M BETTING THAT THE RIGHT MIX IS CRITICAL TO THIS. BEING WHAT IS ENVISIONED. PARTICULARLY WHEN THE RIGHT MIX IS NOT THE MOST PROFITABLE MIX. WE'VE GOT NEW ALBANY LAND. IT'S GOING TO HAVE NORMALLY PRICES IN NEW HARMONY RENTS. UM AND SO. YOU KNOW, CHOCOLATE OCTOPUSES GONE. CHOCOLATE OCCUPANTS WERE REAL AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS, THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE RENT. I SUSPECT, UM, BEING ON MARKET SQUARE. UM BUT. I CHECKED MY WATCH ON SUNDAY TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT OVER THERE BEFORE SIX. AND I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO DID THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY MECHANISMS? ARE WE THINKING OF ANY MECHANISMS ALONG THAT LINE TO GET THE MIX RIGHT? YEAH WE ACTUALLY GIVE THAT A LOT OF THOUGHT. AND WE ACTUALLY REALLY GRILLED EM. CASCADE HERE, THESE POOR GUYS TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHAT? THAT RIGHT MIXES, AND WE ASKED OURSELVES THAT A LOT AND WE WENT THROUGH AS THEY MENTIONED A LOT OF RENDITIONS OF THIS THINKING THAT THROUGH AND HOW WE DECIDED THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THAT IS THE NUMBER THE THIRD DEVELOPMENT STANDARD AND ITS THAT RATIO OF 200 FT OF COMMERCIAL FOR EVERYONE DWELLING UNIT. AND SO, WHEREAS THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IS A MAXIMUM, THIS IS A MINIMUM COMMERCIAL, UM SQUARE FOOTAGE TO DWELLING UNIT RATIO AND WE FEEL THAT IT'S ACHIEVABLE, BUT IT WILL ALSO ENSURE WE GET THAT PROBLEM MIX OF AND BECAUSE WHAT WE HEARD THE FIRST TIME IS THAT YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO MUCH RESIDENTIAL ON. IN THIS HAMLET OR JUST HAMLET CONCEPTS IN GENERAL. SO WE FEEL AS THOUGH YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE THIS MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL AND HAVING BEING A VARIETY OF COMMERCIALS, SO IT COULD BE RETAIL RESTAURANT. IT COULD BE OFFICE SPACE. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. THAT THAT WILL NOT ONLY HELP MAKE SURE IT IS A PROPER MIX OF USE, BUT ALSO OFFSET SOME OF THIS EXTRA RESIDENTIAL SO THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITY AND THE SCHOOLS. SO WHILE THERE IS INCREASED DENSITY HERE IN THE HAMLETS THAN IN OTHER PLACES OF THE CITY UM, BY MAKING SURE WE GET THIS COMMERCIAL MINIMUM RATIO THAT WILL HELP OFFSET THAT. MY POINT IS, IS THAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS BECOMES THE PERFECT FOR SMALL BOUTIQUE RESTAURANTS HOW MANY IS TOO MANY? I MEAN, ASSUMING THAT IF IT'S THE PERFECT THING FOR IT, AND THEY SAY, YEAH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF STOREFRONTS. WE COULD ALL STILL MAKE MONEY HERE. IT WOULD BE REALLY ONE DIMENSIONAL AND THE TRAFFIC WOULD KILL US. OKAY BUT IT'S THE IF IT WAS THE MONEYMAKER AND FILL IN ANY OTHER OF THE POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL USES FOR THE MONEY MAKER, OR THE FEW MONEYMAKERS THAT ARE BEST. YEAH MAKING MONEY AND CAN BID HIGHER FOR THE RENT. THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'LL ANSWER TO HOW I THINK ABOUT JEFF. YOU WANT TO CHIME IN HERE TOO, BUT IN MY EYES, IT WOULD BE THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD DRIVE THAT SO WE HAVE HEIGHT MAXIMUMS. THEY'LL HAVE TO GET PARKING MAXIMUM. SO I GUESS WE WOULD THINK THAT YOU KNOW YOU COULD PUT AS MANY RESTAURANT USES IN THERE IF WE DO HAVE CREATED SOME TYPE OF BOUTIQUE THING, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS
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YOU'RE MEETING ALL THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS RIGHT, SO AS LONG AS IT'S PROPERLY PARKED, AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE NEW ALBANY AND HIS MEETING THOSE MASSING IN THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU KNOW IF THE SITE WILL SUPPORT IT , AND THE TRAFFIC STUDIES WILL SUPPORT IT AND SHOW THAT THAT'S YOU KNOW, NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR STREET. THEN I WOULD SAY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXERCISE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT COULD BE THAT SORT OF PEAK RESTAURANT OR ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, MORE INTENSIVE AUTO TYPE USE. I WOULD HOPE TO, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THINKING OF AUTO THAT THAT IT WOULD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WOULD BE AS SUCH THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO BITE TO IT FROM NEW ALBANY LINKS OR FROM THE ENCLAVE. OR YOU KNOW THAT THE IDEA OF THIS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW. WHAT PEOPLE SURELY WILL DRIVE THAT IT'S ALSO GIVEN THE SURROUNDING BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT PEOPLE WOULD FEEL THIS IS AN INVITING PLACE AND SAFE ENOUGH TO WALK OR BIKE TO. ALSO IF I COULD REAL QUICK, LET'S SAY A DEVELOPER CAME IN TO YOU WITH THAT INTENTION, WHICH IS TO SAY. DO ONE THING AND DO IT A LOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PAY GREAT RENT. MY SUSPICION THAT COULD BE OFFICE OR ANY TYPE OF RETAILER RESTAURANT USED YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PARKING LOTS THIS SIZE, THEY WOULD START TO BE DOUBLE AND TRIPLE THE SIZE.AND I THINK TO STEVENS POINT PLAN, UPCOMING CHANGES, SOME OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS START TO FALL APART. AND I THINK WHAT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOU WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THOSE REASONS AND PART OF WHAT WE'VE ASKED. THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY DO IS AS THEY COME INTO THEIR HELP ME OUT HERE. WHAT NUMBER IS IT? NOW LOOKING FOR THE PARKING MODEL. SEVEN. YEAH. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT WE HAD. OKAY RIGHT. SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES IN TO PRESENT THEIR DEVELOPMENT IDEA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A PARKING MODEL, A SPREADSHEET. AND THAT SPREADSHEET SHOULD DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THAT THE BLEND OF. OFFICE COMMERCIAL RETAIL RESIDENTIAL WILL SUPPORT THIS SIDE. AND MY SUSPICION IS THAT SHOULD BE REASONABLY DETAILED. AND PLEASE.
UM. THAT ASSUMES THAT THAT, UM THAT WE GET REVIEW OVERUSE. I WORK FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, OR IS THAT A TOUGH OCCUPANCY PERMIT STATES? THEY ASSUME YOU HAVE A GOOD QUESTION BUILDINGS RIGHT OVER THERE AND YOU KNOW, THE TOYS STORE WENT IN WHERE A RESTAURANT USED TO BE WHERE CHOCOLATE OCTOPUS WAS OKAY? DIDN'T COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I RATHER DOUBT STAFF HAD A CRACK AT USE BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ZONED WHERE ANY OF THIS IS ALLOWED. AND SO THE MIX CHANGES BY ACCORDING TO THE NEXT RENTER INVOLVED OR THE NEXT BUYER INVOLVED, AND IT'S NOT SETTLED AT THIS LEVEL. UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY PITCH. I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S HAPPENING. UNLESS YOU SAID NO. THE RESTAURANT WILL BE HERE AND HERE, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO. SO, YEAH, YOU'RE PROBABLY CLEAN ME UP HERE, BUT, UM YOU KNOW? WE HAVE TO LET THE MARKET EVOLVED OVER TIME AND RESPOND.
AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS THING WILL CHANGE. YOU ARE GONNA WE? WE WILL HAVE TO RELY ON THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT TO INFORM US UPON WHAT CAN EXIST AND WORK ON THAT SITE BASED ON WHAT'S PROVIDED PARKING, AMENITIES, ACCESS AND STUFF. SO I THINK KIND OF OUR EXPECTATION WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT CENTER WOULD BE THE AT THAT WE WOULD HAVE PURVIEW STAFF WOULD HAVE PURVIEW TO CONSTANTLY GO BACK AND REVIEW THAT PARKING MODEL AS NEW USES. COME IN THAT WITH YOUR EXPECTATION THAT THAT WOULD BE BUILT INTO SOME SORT OF PROBLEM ATTACKS. AND THEN THE PROMISE AND THEN BECOME A LIKE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE ENFORCING THE RULES. I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THAT WE NEED A VARIANCE OF THEY'RE PROPOSING A USE AND BLOWS UP THEIR PARKING MODEL.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS , THEN I WOULD I WOULD SAY, LIKE ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCES. THEY'VE EITHER GONE TO THE B C A OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ASK FOR YOU KNOW? A DEVIATION FROM THE AGREED UPON PARTIES OUT SOMETHING IMPORTANT. PARKING IS A SHARED RESOURCE. MM. OKAY. SO ALL OF THE FOLKS WHEN THEY DEPEND WHAT THEY RENT OR BUY NOT ONLY RENTED BY THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF FLOOR SPACE. THEY ALSO PUT THEIR HAND ON THIS MANY PARKING SPOTS BASED ON THEIR EXPECTED USAGE. THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE.
IT'S NOT AN EITHER WAY, BUT, UM YEAH, THEY RUN THE PLACE LIKE IN A ZONING TEXT EVEN SOMETHING
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THAT THE CITY HAS PURVIEW OVER TO REVIEW IT WHEN TENANTS CHANGE TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S PROPER PARKING OVERALL FOR ALL THE TENANTS. IN ADDITION TO BUYING THE FLOOR SPACE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMEONE COUGH UP WITH PARKING FOR YOUR NEW YEAR'S. BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES THESE DEVELOPMENTS. THERE'S A SCORECARD AND YOU HAVE TO MEET OR MEET, ACHIEVED OR NOT GO OVER CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS. SOME OF IT IS TOTAL COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN HAVE FOR TOTAL PARKING DEMAND ANYONE USER CAN CREATE, AND THAT SCORECARD IS KEPT UP TO DATE. THE CITY ADMINISTRATION. WHERE WOULD THAT NEED TO BE RE ELECTED TYPE OF CONCEPT NEED TO BE REFLECTED AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DECIDING, AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO A P U D TEXT AND ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS THAT A HAMLET SHOULD BE RESENTED PD SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE PARKING MATRICES AND HAVE THAT SECONDARY REVIEW FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. I THINK ONE OF THE DURING THE P U D PROCESS WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE TEXT, OR, UM, REFERRED TO SOMEHOW IS LOOKING APPENDIX TO A BEAUTY TEXT. BECAUSE I MEAN THE PROBLEM NEIL IS FOCUSING ON IS THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T BUT WE APPROVED.LET'S SAY THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES SOMETHING LIKE THIS. HMM DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMERCIAL IS THAT'S GOING IN. WE'RE JUST APPROVING. BASICALLY SCHEMATIC AND SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS THIS IS HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL THERE IS, BUT WE'RE NOT CHARLIE, THE DEVELOPER THAT WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE 20 RESTAURANTS. OR 2020 SPAS WERE NOT. THAT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPERS HAVE DECIDED, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH , BUT AS A PART OF THEIR PARKING MODEL, WE WOULD WANT THEM TO DEMONSTRATE. THAT WHETHER IT'S PROPOSED OR. YEAH AGAINST THEIR PROPOSED PLAN. WE WOULD WANT TO SAY WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS THAT THERE WILL BE THREE RESTAURANTS ON SITE AND THREE RETAIL OFFERINGS ON SITE AND THREE OF SOMETHING ELSE OUTSIDE. AND THIS IS HOW THAT PARKING ARRAY LOOKS AND IF YOU KNOW, AND. A RESTAURANT HAS A DIFFERENT PARKING RATIO. THEN COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND THAT'S WHERE THAT PARKING MODEL COMES INTO PLAY, RIGHT, AND I'M JUST BUT WHAT DEALS KIND OF FOCUSING ON IS SAYING, WELL, THAT'S SORT OF THE EXPECTATION AT THE START. BUT WHAT MAY HAPPEN IS ALL OF A SUDDEN. THIS BECOMES THE HI INTO SMALL RESTAURANT MECCA OF COLUMBUS, RIGHT, AND SO NOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO PUT THEIR LITTLE HUNGARIAN AND THEIR VIETNAMESE AND RESTAURANTS IN AND THAT'S EVERYBODY GOES TO REALLY COOL TO KEEP WORKING HARD IN THE MODEL. YEAH. I THINK IN IN THAT CASE INSTEAD OF HAVING A MINIMUM PARKING SPOTS, LIKE THE TRADITIONAL PER SQUARE FOOTAGE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED TO BE THIS MODEL, BUT IN PRINCIPLE WOULD BE THE SAME THING. WHERE IS IF YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE NOT MATCHING OR MEETING THE MODEL STANDARDS FOR NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THEN YOU EITHER COULDN'T DO THAT. YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T ADD MORE RESTAURANT. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME. I ASSUME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE COURT OF APPEALS FOR A VARIANCE TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. HOW IS HOW IS IT? HOW IS IT CONTROLLED BECAUSE ONCE ONCE WE APPROVE IT , SO STAFF WILL REVIEW THAT SO ANY TIME THERE'S A TENANT CHANGE, THEY HAVE TO COME TO OUR OFFICE AND THAT'S THE CATCH ALL. UM AND SO WE'VE ACTUALLY RUN INTO THAT AND OTHER PLACES WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEW ALBANY EXCHANGE, OR, UM, WHERE TIM HORTONS IS ALONG. 62 THERE, YOU KNOW WHERE, UM THERE'S BEEN SOME POTENTIAL USERS AND YOU JUST YOU JUST CAN'T PARK IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS SHARED THERE, TOO. SO IT WOULD BE THAT SAME CASE SCENARIO. COULD WE EVER MENTION OF THIS? ISSUE IN THE GRS THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT PARK THAT SHARED PARKING RESOURCES WOULD BE A MANAGED ITEM AS PART OF ANY PROPOSAL. YEAH, WE CAN LOOK INTO DOING THAT, AS A CODE UPDATE. CERTAINLY STORMWATER AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS AS A SHARED RESOURCE. AND THAT MEANS THAT WOULD BE MODELED AND KEPT. YEAH I'M THINKING WE CAN LOOK INTO EITHER DOING OUR PARKING CODE. MAYBE NOT THE D G R S. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO ANOTHER AREA. WE CAN LOOK INTO THE DGS TO THAT MIGHT MIGHT BE THE GOOD TO SEE WHAT THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THAT IS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I'VE GOT ONE SPEAKER CARD. THIS IS FOR QUESTIONS AND THE QUESTIONS AND OR COMMENTS STARTING WITH KIRK SMITH. THANKS UH, COMMITTEE. I APPRECIATE THE TIME. THANK YOU. FOR THE FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. KIRK SMITH , 68 30 CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM THE EASTERN EDGE OF
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THOSE TOWNHOUSES. SO I DO HAVE A VERY VESTED INTEREST HERE. UM SEVERAL QUESTIONS FIRST. IS THERE CURRENTLY A DEVELOPER THAT IS ENGAGED OR HAS ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW? WE KNOW IF SOMEONE IS IN AN AGREEMENT TO FOR LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT ALREADY. SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S CHANGED HANDS AGAIN SINCE THE PREVIOUS, UM KNOWN A PROPOSAL UM MINERS, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP. STEINER. SO I'M NOT 100% SURE. BUT WHEN PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS THE CITY DOES NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED IN THAT CASE, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT THROUGH THE COUNTY RECORDS. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO IT HAS NOT CHANGED. NOTHING HAPPENED TO ME. NOT THAT I'M AWARE WEBSITE GROUP. DID YOUR GROUP WORK WITH STEINER AT ALL DURING THIS PRESENTATION TO HELP BUILD THIS? YES. OKAY, GREAT. GREAT, GREAT. I JUST WANT TO DO THAT AT THE MIC. OKAY, IF YOU COULD AT LEAST REPEAT THAT, FOR THE RECORD, THE QUESTION WAS DID THE DID THE PARTY OF THE THIRD PARTY? OKAY, SK? YES. ENGAGE STEINER AND ASSOCIATES. DURING ANY OF THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH THEY SAID WAS NO. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. UM, IT WAS DID ANYBODY ELSE I THOUGHT IT WAS DID ANYBODY ELSE BURN. ANY DEVELOPMENT AND SO THE MK SK WAS HIRED SOLELY BY THE CITY IS I BELIEVE THE ANSWER GREAT. SO I THINK TO LEVEL SET THERE'S THREE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WE FOUND OUT FROM FROM NONA. CORRECT DENSITY AND ANYONE SPECIFIC AREA IMPACT ON SCHOOLS.AND THE STRONG DESIRE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO NOT, UM. GO FOR MULTI FAMILY HOUSING. I THINK THOSE WERE THREE AREAS THAT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR DURING THE PROCESS, SO UM TODAY, THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS I THINK WERE RAISED FIRST OF ALL THAT, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DENSITY, SIX UNITS PER ACRE IS AN ABSOLUTE DENSITY BOMB AGAIN. THAT'S 198 UNITS IN 33 ACRE SPOT. SO I HEARD KEN'S WICK. HOW MANY ACRES IS KIM'S WIG? JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE. 5 10. I'M SORRY, I JUST BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A REAL ACCURATE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SO MUCH SMALLER. THAN WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. SO TO ME, I WOULD ENCOURAGE AH, THE COMMITTEE. TO STRONGLY STRONGLY LOOK AT ANYTHING IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A FACTOR OF SIX LET'S BE HONEST, WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT THAT NUMBER IN HALF TO EVEN GET BELOW 100 UNITS PER IN THE ENTIRE AND YOU'RE STILL THAT WOULD BE AT THREE UNITS PER ACRE. YOU'RE AT 99 UNITS. THAT IS A LOT A LOT OF PEOPLE. THAT IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY. THAT IS A LOT OF CARS. THAT IS THAT IS VERY, VERY CONCERNING AT FIRST BLUSH FROM HERE. TO THE MIC, PLEASE. YES, YOU CAN INTO THE MIC. THANK YOU. THE DENSITY QUESTION IS ALWAYS ONE. OF COMPARISON. I THINK YOU USED THE GOOD ONE TEST WICKETS. IT'S MUCH SMALLER. IT'S A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION. THE WINDSOR NEIGHBORHOOD. NORTH OF THE SCHOOLS. MHM YEAH, NORTHEAST OF THE SCHOOLS. THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S ABOUT SIX UNITS PER ACRE OF ALSO SO FROM A COMPARISON PERSPECTIVE. WE ARE KIND OF APPLES TO APPLES AND WHOLE TO SINGLE FAMILY. TO A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. SORT OF NOT TRY. NOW LET'S GET. WHAT WHAT ARE YOUR PROJECTIONS USING THIS? WHAT IS THE OWNERSHIP? PERCENTAGE WHEN IT COMES SPECIFICALLY TO THE FLATS, THE TOWN HOMES I'M ASSUMING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. YOU WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED. BUT ARE THE TOWN HOMES ARE YOU LOOKING AT RENTAL PROPERTIES? OR I MEAN AGAIN? IS THERE ANY YEAH, WE DIDN'T ASSIGN ANY TYPE OF VALUES FOR THOSE AND DEVELOPER WHEN THEY WOULD COME IN AND PROPOSE WOULD DO YES COMMITTEE AND IF I MAY, UM, I BELIEVE I'VE HAD IT QUOTED TO ME BY A LAWYER NO IN PLANNING COMMISSION. FARM THAT UNDER OHIO LAW, YOU CAN'T STOP A HOME OWNER FROM RENTING THEIR HOUSE. OKAY SO ANY OF YOU COULD RENT YOUR HOUSE AND NOBODY COULD STOP YOU RIGHT? IT'S JUST IN THE
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DEVELOPMENT PHASE. I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE A THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME WHAT THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPER IS CORRECT. THE ANTENNAS WOULD BE A CONCERN THERE. COULD YOU PLEASE? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. WHICH MEANS THAT CERTAINLY WOULD THERE BE A INVOLVED IN THIS AT SOME POINT? THIS ISN'T OKAY. I GOTTA STOP THERE. THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN FOR AN ACTUAL DEVELOPER. THIS IS IT'S LOOKING AT WHAT HAMLETS LOOK LIKE AND THAT'S TRUE, MR WORK, AND I JUST WANT TO CHIME IN TO YOUR POINT THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WHAT YOU'RE REPEATING ABOUT WHETHER HOMEOWNER CAN RENT THEIR HOUSE OR NOT, WAS ON POINT. THE ONE CHANGE IN CHAPTER 11 87. IT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL. TO REVIEW WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNTIL A PROPOSAL IS MADE. IS THAT THE CHANGE IN THAT CHARTER LANGUAGE A REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED USE RIGHT WOULD BE A TWO STEP PROCESS. SO DURING THE REZONING WE WOULD GET A P D TEXT AND A GENERAL SITE PLAN. WE WOULD LOOK FOR COMMITMENTS FOR MAXIMUM DENSITY ROAD CONNECTIONS. ARCHITECTURE REQUIREMENTS, LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT WOULD GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. IF THAT RESIGNING IS APPROVED, SO IT SETS THOSE ENTITLEMENTS. THEN IN A P U D, THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD WHO WOULD REVIEW FOR ARCHITECTURE. UM AND THEN GENERAL SITE LAYOUT. IT WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM MORE OF THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE SCHOOL IMPACT AND TRAFFIC AND ALL ARCHITECTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO ENSURE THAT THE THIS FINAL MORE MUCH MORE BIG PLAN YOU'D SEE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS AND SLIGHTLY OUT MATCHES, THE GOALS AND INTENTS AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT P U D TAX INSIDE THE CHANGE FOR 11 87. IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE. THERE WOULD NOT BE THAT'S CORRECT. I JUST DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. UM REALLY? I. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. I DID LOVE YOUR COMMENTS. THIS SITE IS SMALL. AND TO QUOTE YOU DIRECTLY. IT IS A SMALL SITE.AND 198 UNITS ON A SMALL SITE SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF UNITS. THANK YOU. THANKS. OTHERS IT'S THEY'LL COME UP TO MAKE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SPEAK YOUR PIECE. LIKE MY NAME IS CAROLINE SALT. I LIVE AT 4 30 SNYDER LOOP IN THE ENCLAVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. MY ONLY COMMENT TODAY IS THAT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE. HOW YOU GUYS CAME TO IT THAT DEFINITELY FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COMMITTEE, BUT I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION. I FEEL LIKE HAVING THE 55 FT. IS HELPFUL TO KNOW BECAUSE THEN WE COULD GO BACK AND KIND OF ARGUE IT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF GENERALITIES. I THINK, NEIL, YOU WERE TRYING TO GET DOWN TO SOME OF THE NITTY GRITTY AND I THINK THAT THESE GUIDELINES ARE GOING TO LIVE IN PERPETUITY. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THINGS THAT WERE MORE MORE SENTENCE. STONE 55 FT. 40 40 FT. THOSE ARE HELPFUL THINGS THAT AS THIS COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE WILL BE AN IMPORTANT BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF GENERALITIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ONE OF THE OTHER NUMBERS FOR YOU IS 250 FT FROM CENTRAL COLLEGE BEFORE IT GETS TO THE TOP TALLER HEIGHTS. CORRECT I WAS JUST MORE REFERENCING THAT AS VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE EXACT NUMBERS, AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERALITIES. THANK YOU. OTHERS. COME ON UP TO THE MIC. MY NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN GO FOR IT. SO MY NAME IS TRICIA SIGNORINA HERE LIVE AT 76 7 NEW ALBANY LINKS DRIVING THAT PRESIDENT OF ANY LINKS, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED. I'M JUST HERE TO LEARN AND I APPRECIATE BECAUSE TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY PASSIONATE. IT IS A SMALL SITE BY SOME PEOPLE'S STANDARDS , BUT TO US IT'S A BIG 38 RECORDER AND I CAN'T GET TO A SCHOOL. A FREEWAY BANK OR A GROCERY STORE WITHOUT PASSING THIS RIGHT? SO IF I TAKE MY CHILD TO SCHOOL ON A FRIDAY MORNING FOR REQUIRE PRACTICE, THE TRAFFIC HAS ALREADY BACKED UP PRETTY MUCH ALMOST TO THE UNPLAYABLE READY. RIGHT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAD. AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS. I'D RATHER HAVE THIS TAKE LONGER AND DO IT RIGHT, THEN DO IT QUICKLY. I WOULD RATHER TO SEE YOU GUYS BE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE AND ALLOWS SOME VARIANCES BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS LIKE THIS IS WE'VE SEEN SO MANY RENDITIONS OF THIS THING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THING IS RIGHT. SO THE PARAMETERS AND THE ALLOWANCES AROUND WHAT THE THINGS ALLOWED
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TO BE. I THINK THE MOST CONSERVATIVE IT COULD BE WOULD BE AMAZING BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THERE WILL BE VARIANCES REQUESTED AND THERE WILL BE EXCEPTIONS REQUESTED AND WE KNOW WHAT THESE THOSE MIGHT BE SO THIS IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. BUT I DID READ THROUGH THIS AND I'M TELLING YOU IF YOU CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING TO READ. I READ EVERY PAGE RIGHT BECAUSE I CARE, AND MY KIDS ARE GROWING UP HERE AND I DRIVE BY THIS EVERY DAY.AS DO THE 600 HOMEOWNERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT WE LIVE IN, AS DO THE 100, TIDEWATER PEOPLE IN THE 100 PEOPLE AND WE DO CARE, RIGHT ? SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING INTERESTING. THERE WERE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. UM BUT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE YOU GUYS WERE RENT PART OF WHAT TRANSPIRED BEFORE WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S 65 NEW ALBANY LINKS MEMBERS COME INTO TALK TO THE DEVELOPER TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. SO WHEN WE ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS LIKE I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS LIKE I THINK NEIL HAD SOME QUESTIONS. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BORE US WITH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR. THAT WAS RIGHT, SO WE WANT TO BE BORED WITH THE DETAILS RIGHT? SO BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS WE DIDN'T GET BEFORE, AND WE ASKED THEM DIRECTLY WITH SPECIFIC MEETINGS ASKING FOR THOSE ANSWERS. AND WE DIDN'T GET THEM AND YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING YOU WANT UP HERE. BUT WHAT'S IN THE TEXT AND WHAT GETS APPROVED IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO BY. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED BY RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. UM WE DID TALK ABOUT SCHOOL NUMBERS, RIGHT AND I GET IT THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAT PEOPLE CAN USE ALL AROUND. SO I WANT IT AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING BEEN DONE, BUT I THINK IT WAS LIKE 0.43 AND 0.56. AND THE ESTATES IN ALBANY WAS 0.66 KIDS PER UNIT. SO IF YOU DO THE MATH THAT WILL ARRIVE THAT WILL HELP YOU ARRIVE AT SO I THINK WHAT YOU SAID 1 99 130 KIDS, SO ANYWAY, SO THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT THOSE ANSWERS, RIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING THEIR BUY IN AND YOU'RE GETTING THEIR INPUT ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE THIS OR THAT. WE WANT TO HEAR THAT. THIS IS WHAT WILL ALLOW AND THIS IS WHAT WE WON'T ALLOW. SO I LIKE WHAT I SEE HERE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S HALF THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT IT WAS BUT I DON'T LIKE IS I'M READING THROUGH THIS AND I HAVE QUESTIONS RIGHT, SO THERE'S A BIG CIRCLE AROUND THOSE FOUR CORNERS. I'M ONLY SEEING TWO OF THEM REPRESENTED. SO ARE WE CHANGING THAT SO THAT THE CIRCLE ISN'T AROUND? THE FOUR CORNERS WERE PLANNING SOMETHING FOR THE OTHER TWO CORNERS. UM I'M ALSO READING THAT 25% SHOULD BE PARK SPACE, RIGHT? BUT I'M ALSO READING THAT A DEVELOPER CAN PAY MONEY INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PARK STAYS IN THE CREEK BEDS. ALSO COUNT AS PARKS FACE. SO IS HE PUT A DEVELOPER COMMAND? I'M JUST JUST IF I MAY PAYMENT IN LIEU OF HAS TO BE AGREED TO FROM BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND STAFF. IT IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC RIGHT SO THEY CAN THEY CAN TRADE RIGHT. SO YOU CAN ASK , THEY DON'T HAVE BY RIGHTS ABILITY TO SAY MORE MONEY. MORE MONEY. TELL ME WHEN I GET OUT FROM UNDER MY PARK, WE SAY SO MANY SQUARE FOOT PER DWELLING UNIT. OKAY AND YOU'RE STUCK WITH 25% THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. AND YOU HAVE NOT MADE AN TO DEVELOPER.
THEY HAVE NOT MADE A COMPELLING REASON WHY WE SHOULD RELAX IT THEN. IF THE COMMISSION DOESN'T BELIEVE SO THEN IT WOULDN'T BE APPROVED WITH LESS THAN 25% AND LIKEWISE TO STAFF AND COUNCIL.
YEAH, I WOULD HAVE SAID TO THAT. UM, YEAH, THERE IS SOMETHING CONTEMPLATED OUR CODE TO HAVE A PAYMENT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF OFFSETS. IT COULD BE A TRADE FOR PARKLAND. BUT THAT'S UM THAT'S IN OUR CODE TODAY AND THEN APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE CITY. SO THAT'S NOTHING OR THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT APPLIES JUST TO A HAMLET PROJECT. OKAY ANY DEVELOPER WHETHER IT BE THE YOU KNOW, SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD OR LET'S SEE THE LINKS EXIST BECAUSE YOU CAN MOVE THE PARKLAND AROUND WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO EMPTY LOTS BESIDE US AND 12 YEARS LATER. THEY TRADED IT, AND THEY BUILT A HOUSE THERE, RIGHT. SO I DON'T I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT ANYMORE. PARKING USABLE FOR UPLAND. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DESTINATION FOR NORTH OF NEW ALBANY. SO IF I'M GOING TO WANT TO GO THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A PART IF YOU REDUCE THE PARK IN ANY WAY IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WALK ABILITY, IT WOULD BE NEAT. IF THE KIDS COULD WRITE THE RIGHTS TO AN ICE CREAM STORE. I CAN RUN DOWN THE STREET AND GET MY NAILS DONE. I'M NOT GONNA LIE RIGHT OR A COFFEE SHOP OR WHATEVER. BUT IF YOU START FILLING THIS IN AND TRADING, PURCHASE THESE AND BUYING PARTS FACE SO THAT YOU CAN FIT MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AND SO IT'S MORE PROFITABLE FOR DEVELOPER THAN I'M NOT A FAN. SO THANK YOU
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FOR LISTENING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR A WHILE. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS TO MAKE SOMETHING REALLY GREAT FOR NEW ALBANY. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET A CONCRETE PROPOSAL COME BACK AND EARLY ON OUR EXPERIENCE FROM HERE IS THAT THE EARLIER YOU TALKED TO THE DEVELOPERS, THE EASIER IT IS TO GET THINGS CHANGED. BECAUSE WHEN IT'S JUST INK AND PAPER AND ENGINEERING TIME. UM THAT'S EASIER CHANGE, THEN. OH, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD SOMETHING APPROVED. THAT'S REALLY HARD TO GET CHANGED. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE WHERE, UM NEIGHBORS CAN NEGOTIATE THINGS.AND YOU CAN ASK FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T YOURS TO ACTUALLY DEMAND. THE NEIGHBOR. THAT DEVELOPER WANTS HAPPY NEIGHBORS. SO THERE'S A JOKE SOMETIME ABOUT TWO KINDS OF CROWDS. ONE IS THE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES CROWD THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN EVERY FRANKENSTEIN MOVIE STORMING THE CASTLE AND THE OTHER IS THE GOOSE WITH ALL THE DUCKLING OR THE GOSLINGS IN A ROW BEHIND IT ALL HAPPILY WALKING. TOGETHER AND THE DEVELOPER WANTS THAT SECOND SCENARIO OF HAPPY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE SAYING YES, THERE ARE A LOT HAPPIER THAN NOW THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE WILL LANDSCAPE PART OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY GAVE US PERMISSION TO DO SO. SO THERE'S A SMOOTH TRANSITION ON LANDSCAPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT CAN BE ASKED. MAYBE NOT DEMANDED, BUT THEY'RE EASIER TO ASK FOR. I AGREE. THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR WAS COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY. APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS. GO FOR IT SO.
DOES THERE HAVE TO BE A HAMLET? IS THERE SOME STRONG DESIRE THAT WE HAVE TO SLAM? A HAMLET? I MEAN, PLACE A HAMLET. RIGHT AT THIS IN THIS 33 ACRES IS THERE WAS THAT JUST PART OF THE ENGAGED NORMALLY? SO THAT'S PART OF THE ENGAGED NEW ALBANY PLAN. THERE IS AN UNDERLYING LAND USE, WHICH WHICH IS COMMERCIAL AT THIS AREA. UM, BUT IT YES. BY RIGHT ZONING IS. I'M SORRY BY RIGHT ZONING OF THAT IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? SO IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL TODAY, THE UNDERLYING RECOMMENDED LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL AND THE EXISTING ENGAGED NEW ALBANY PLAN. AND THEN THIS HAMLET CONCEPT IS KIND OF CONSIDERED AN OVERLAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS, LIKE A HAMLET HAS TO BE DEVELOPED HERE. UM, BUT IT BASED ON UM AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, RESIDENT FEEDBACK, UM, AND IT'S BEEN AN IDEA THAT'S EXISTED IN THIS AREA BEFORE IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ENGAGEMENT 2021 ENGAGED IN OPENING PLAN AS A CONCEPT WHERE FURTHER EXPLORING THAT TODAY AT THE REQUEST OF OUR CITY COUNCIL BASED ON THE KNOWN AND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED OFF DURING THAT REZONING PROCESS. YOU'RE USING IF WE GO BACK TO LIKE THAT FIRST SLIDE WHEN IT WAS LISTING THE DESIRES FROM THAT'S THE IMPETUS BEHIND THIS.
IS THAT TRUE? YEAH. GO BACK TO SLIDE ONE. YES IF I WERE CALLED SIDE WON THE NUMBER ONE WAS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. RIGHT? YEAH. DINING AND RETAIL. PARKS AND PARKS MHM. OKAY? FOR THAT.
OKAY SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE TELLING US WE WANT TO HANDLE TO THE BIKE TO THE BIKE. THIS SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED AS PART OF THE ENGAGED NEW ALBANY PROCESS.
THERE WAS OTHER REASONING BEHIND, UM. THE INCLUSION OF THE HAMLET CONCEPT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, INCLUDING INITIALLY, UM, LOTS OF CONCERNS ABOUT UM, THE LACK OF WALKABLE RETAIL NORTH OF 1 61 OR ACCESSIBLE RETAIL NORTH OF 1 61. MHM. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. COME ALONG THAT LINE, SO WE'VE GOT THE RULE OF THUMB THAT 900 FT IS. WHAT IS PEOPLE WALK? 900 FT. WE USE THAT RULE FOR POCKET PARKS. FOR EXAMPLE, THAT YOUR POCKET PARK SHOULD BE WITHIN 900 FT. OF THE RESIDENCES THAT IT SERVES. MHM. WHAT ARE WE ON? DO WE HAVE A SIMILAR NUMBER FOR WHAT PEOPLE WILL BIKE WHO LOOK ON WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ON A BICYCLE? I HATE TO BE ALRIGHT. SORRY. RULE OF THUMB AND IT DEPENDS ON THE QUALITY OF THE ENVIRONMENT IS THAT PEOPLE WILL WALK 5 TO 10 MINUTES, 5 TO 10 MINUTES AND RIDE THEIR BIKE. 5 TO 10 MINUTES. IF YOU'RE YOUNGER, YOU'RE RIGHT, 10. IF YOU'RE OLDER, YOU'RE BLOCK FIVE. THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF PLANNING RULES. OKAY WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE WITH THIS SITE AND HIT MY NOTES. WHEN I WAS DOING MY REVIEW ON THIS IS WHAT ARE WE CLOSE TO WHAT ARE ALL THE I MEAN? THE ENCLAVE? OF COURSE. LIKE OKAY, THROW A STONE IN YOUR THERE. UM LET'S KEEP GOING. AND WHERE ARE WE AT 900 FT, WHERE WE AT TOMORROW IS
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GOING TO SERVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS. CLIENT. UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT IS MUCH LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN. IS SCHIZOPHRENIC IN THAT PART OF IT WANTS TO BE IN MARKET SQUARE IN PARLIAMENT WANTS TO BE AT EAGLES PIZZA. OUR RESIDENTIAL NORTH OF THE FREEWAY COVERS A LOT OF EAST WEST GROUND. YOU'VE GOT ALL THE STUFF THAT'S OFF THE ROMNEY ROAD. UH WELL THAT IS EAST OF NORMANDY ROAD WEST. THERE WE GO. ON WALNUT. ALL THE STUFF ON WALNUT IS ONE HUGE BANK ALMOST OF HERE'S A STRIPE. HERE'S A STRIPE. HERE'S A STRIPE. WE'VE GOT TIDEWATER ON THE OTHER END.AND FURTHER SOUTH. UM IS THIS THE LOCATION GIVEN ALL THE STUFF WE'VE GOT UP ON WALNUT? FORWARD SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF WALNUT BE CLOSER TO MORE RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALTERNATE, UM, HAMLET, LOCATIONS AND PROBABLY EVEN MORE WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE ORIGINAL ENGAGED IN OPENING PLANE ADOPTION, AT LEAST FROM AN INTERNAL STANDPOINT, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE ACTUALLY INTRODUCED ANYTHING PUBLICLY. BUT WE FELT THAT MINISTERS BEFORE YOU KNOW THERE WAS ANY REAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT BASED ON THE TYPE OF FEEDBACK AND WHO WE ARE HEARING FROM AND WHERE, IN AND LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF UNDEVELOPED WILL LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE ONE THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE FELT THAT DISLOCATION AND THE FIVE POINTS DEVELOPMENT OFFERED THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT OR THE HAMLET CONCEPT IS THAT THIS IS MORE DEVELOP A BULL. OR THIS IS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, GIVEN WHAT'S AROUND IT. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING BASED ON WHAT'S AROUND IT AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE TOOK THE FIVE POINTS HAMLET OUT OF THIS, AND WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE KNOWN AND REZONING PROCESS, PEOPLE ASK . WELL COULD YOU DO THIS SAME THING AT FIVE POINTS? AND WE ALWAYS SAID NO LIKE IT WAS A DIFFERENT LOCATION. DIFFERENT CONTEXT LIKE COULD YOU DO A HAMLET THERE? YEAH BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT TRAGIC PLANE, BUT IT WOULDN'T LOOK AND FEEL LIKE THIS. IT WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LESS THAN SO. I THINK YOU KNOW, HAMLET'S LET'S DROP WAS MENTIONING EARLIER. WE STILL WANT TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE CONTEXT THAT IT'S IN. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR WITH OUR SHOT IN OUR RENDITION OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, UM SO I DON'T THINK YOUR QUESTION BUT I KINDA FORGOT WHERE I WAS GOING THAT, BUT YES, I THINK WE THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AND A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE THERE'S EXISTING RESIDENTS TODAY WHERE THEY COULD WALK TO IT. LIKE YOU KNOW, JEFF SAYING THAT 5 TO 10 MINUTES WALKING BIKE, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF ALL THOSE THINGS. YEAH, THAT'S HOW I OPENED. THE KNOWN A DISCUSSION OF THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHY IS THIS THE HAMLET AND NO OTHERS? MM HMM. BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFENDABLE FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT SAID, HEY, I JUST BOUGHT 40 ACRES ON WALNUT, AND IT'S BETWEEN AROUND WEST AND SOMEWHERE NEAR THE HOUSE THAT'S HISTORICAL SITE HIT IN THAT SWATH OF LITTLE UNCLEAR.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. BUT THERE'S TWO OR THREE WHERE IT IS ON THE WALNUT.
AND GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES THERE. HOW DO YOU TELL THEM? NO REMEMBER TO WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF STRATEGIC PLAN. WE WERE ASKED, LIKE CANDIED HAMLET. MOVE YOU KNOW, LIKE, IS IT A MOVABLE THING? WE SAID NO, YOU KNOW AT THAT TIME, AND I THINK THAT'S STILL TRUE TODAY THAT THOSE YOU KNOW THOSE ROUND CIRCLES. THEY WERE GENERAL LOCATIONS AT THE TIME, BUT THOSE WEREN'T REALLY MEANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE FLOATING CIRCLE, SO TO SPEAK ON THE MAP, LIKE THOSE WERE SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS VERY PURPOSEFULLY. HAVE A QUESTION TO THE MIC IF YOU DO TO THE MIKE. SORRY. QUESTION OR COMMENT. UM SO ARE YOU PLANNING ON REPLACING THE SECOND HAMLET AT ALL, LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION IN MIND THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE. NO SO AT THIS TIME, OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL WOULD REMOVE THAT HAMLET RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN AT THE FIVE POINTS DEVELOPMENT OR THE FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION. OKAY, SO IF WE IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE ZONING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND. ARE WE DOING IT JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND FOR ALL HANDLERS. YEAH THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, WHAT IS SHOWN HERE IS WHAT WILL BECOME OF WHAT WE CALL FOCUS AREA IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, SO WE DID SEVERAL OTHER FOCUS AREAS FOR LIKE ZARLEY FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER FOR THE RESEARCH INFORMATION DISTRICT. AND SO THOSE LOOK AT A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREA AND COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT AREA. SO I THINK THE WAY WE'RE HEADED HERE TODAY IS THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS STANDARDS THAT YOU'VE HEARD TODAY IS FOR THIS GEOGRAPHIC AREA SHOWN IN
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RED HERE, OKAY? FOR THE HAMLET SITE, AS PROPOSED SHORT, UM AND NEIL HAD ASKED THE QUESTION LIKE, WHAT IS IT SOUND TODAY? I THINK MOST OF ITS RESIDENTIAL AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DEMOLISH.SEVERAL HOMES 17 AND WE HOPE 22. OKAY AND WE WERE HELPING THOSE FOLKS RELOCATE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SO I THINK THERE'S FAMILIES AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AFFORDABLE OPTIONS FOR THEM.
IT'S JUST OH, NO. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT WHAT THE DEVELOPER OR WHEN THEY SELL THEIR PROPERTY THAT'S NOT PART OF THAT'S NOT A CONDITION. NO. OKAY? THAT'S ALREADY A DONE DEAL BEFORE IT GETS HERE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HAS TO HAVE CONTROL BEFORE THEY CAN RESUME. OKAY UM AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IF SOMEBODY IF WE LET'S SAY WE'RE LIKE, HEY, WE LOVE THIS. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. LET'S DO IT. IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO PUT IN ANOTHER HAMLET, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS? IS THERE A MINIMUM? CAN IT BE FIVE ACRES DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 15 ACRES? CAN IT BE AN AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT? I GET ASKED THIS QUESTION A LOT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OUT THERE. 58 40 ACRES. THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING, AND EVERY TIME YOU ASK, IT'S LIKE, NO, IT CAN'T BE RESUMED. CAN'T POSSIBLY BE SO WHY THIS ONE THAT COULD THOSE ALSO BE REZONED FOR HAMLET? BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF ONE IN PARTICULAR, NOT ONE AND I HAVE LISTED NOT ONE THAT ANY OF MY BUYERS ARE INTERESTED IN BUT IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE. THERE'S 40 ACRES ON 605, RIGHT, AND THAT WOULD BE A PRIME, LOCATED RIGHT BEHIND ROCKY FORK PARK IS LEADING HIM, SALLY THAT UNDER I HAVE THE LAND LISTED RIGHT NEXT TO IT RIGHT. IT'S TOO SMALL FOR HAMLET. BUT WHAT'S TO PREVENT THEM LIKE? WOULDN'T THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? SO IT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF. IF YOU GO TO ROCKY FORK, YOU COULD WALK RIGHT THERE. SO THE AS A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY. WE HAVE ALWAYS ADOPTED A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT CONTAINS RECOMMENDED LAND USES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE AS A STAFF AND ARE PLANNING COMMISSIONER CITY COUNCIL USED TO HAVE VALUE. AIDS REZONING ZOR REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. SO THE I THINK THE QUICK ANSWER IS THAT IF IT WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY OUR STRATEGIC PLAN HAS STORE YCL ERY COUNCIL HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE. OKAY AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, A GOOD CASE IN 0.2 IS THE ORIGINAL NONA THE PAST REZONING. I MEAN, THAT MEANT AS I RECALL LIKE 11 OF 12 HAMLET DEVELOPMENT STANDS AT THAT TIME , BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UM YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE EVALUATION PROCESS, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKED TO GO BACK AND FURTHER REFINE THE IT HAS A CONCEPT INTO MORE OF, UM, DEFINED OBJECT. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO US, AND THEY ASK IF THEY CAN PUT A HOTEL , YOU KNOW SOMEPLACE OR APARTMENTS, WE SAY NO, IT'S NOT SUPPORTED BY OUR STRATEGIC PLAN , YOU KNOW, SO WE WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THESE GROUPS, BUT HISTORICALLY ARE PLANNING COMMISSIONER CITY COUNCIL HAVE FOLLOWED THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. OKAY WE HAVE VERY FEW TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WE CAN PULL OUT AND SAY TO DEVELOPER THIS SAYS I CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, YEAH, AGAIN. SO MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAY AT THIS POINT, UM, BEYOND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS A REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE TRAFFIC CONTROL AND TRAFFIC COMING DEVICES AND TRAFFIC. AND I GUESS TRAFFIC CONTROL TO YOUR POINT PROTECTED LEFT TURNS. UM ROUNDABOUT WOULDN'T BE A BAD THING, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT THEM ALL UP NORTH ROAD. WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE ONE NORTH OF NEW OPENING. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT. TWO. TO ACCOMMODATE THE IN AND OUT BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE PEOPLE TRYING TO PULL OUT ON EITHER SIDE RIGHT NOW.
BASED ON WHAT I SEE EVERY DAY. YEAH, AND I DON'T. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD APPROVE ANYTHING WITH THAT AN APPROPRIATE STUDY, OKAY? AND TO DETERMINE IF A CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY MAYBE DURING SCHOOL HOURS. GREAT. THAT WAS THE ISSUE LAST TIME IS THERE WAS A COUPLE OF DONE NOT DURING THE RIGHT TIME THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF US. THANK YOU DOT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON 605 BECAUSE THAT IS A STATE HIGHWAY AND SO THERE'S MORE REVIEW THAN JUST THE CITY. OKAY I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO BE ASKING . I AGREE WITH YOU. UM AND I KNOW OUR CHAIRMAN WAS ASKING ME SOME QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT TRAFFIC. I DIDN'T MEAN TO DODGE THOSE BUT BIG CONCERN. IT'S JUST THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THOSE YET. WE WILL KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THOSE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME GUIDANCE AND SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN INCORPORATING THOSE INTO OUR CONFINED ORDINANCES. WHERE APPROPRIATE, BUT WHAT'S BUILT IN ALREADY TODAY IS YOU KNOW DURING THE REZONING PROCESS IS WHEN WE
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GET ALL THAT TECHNICAL INFORMATION, AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL SEE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORS WITHIN 200 FT. GET NOTIFIED, AND SO THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND ANALYSIS HAS TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING JUST LIKE THIS, SO MEMBERS OF PUBLIC AND ALSO SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS AND COMMENT ON THEM AS WELL. OKAY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BE QUICK, MR. HERBIE UM I CAN'T BE HERE TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. BUT YOU YOU ARE LIMITED WITH YOUR TOOLS , BUT THE NUMBER ONE TOOL THAT THE FOUR OF YOU THE FIVE OF YOU HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A HAMLET HERE. THERE'S NOTHING WE DON'T NEED A HAMLET HERE. WE DON'T NEED TO APPROVE A HAMLET. AND YOU GUYS CAN STOP THAT PROCESS. NOW. IT'S NOT HANDICAP OURSELVES, NOT LET LET'S NOT PIGEONHOLE OURSELVES. SO YOU DO HAVE A TOOL. YOU HAVE A VERY BIG TOOL IN YOUR TOOL. UM QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 11 87. WE MOVED THE BUNCH OF TEXTS TO 11 65. OKAY I PRESUME THAT IN THE MOVEMENT, NONE OF THE APPLICABILITY GOT LOST. THAT APPLIES TO ALL THE SAME DISTRICTS. IT JUST GOT MORE. YEAH THAT, UH, CHRIS WORKED REAL HARD ON THAT AND GIVE CREDIT TO CHRIS. HE CAME UP THE GREAT IDEA OF MOVING ALL THOSE STANDARDS FROM OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TO THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND ACTUALLY LOOKED AND THAT'S A LOT OF OTHER CITIES DO THAT, TOO. AND SO IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT WE DID JUST PICK UP EVERYTHING AND LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES, BUT WE LITERALLY JUST KIND OF PICKED UP AND MOVED IT AND THEN WE DID ADD SOME CLARIFIES SO WE DON'T THINK WE MISSED ANYTHING FROM APPLICABLE ITTY STANDPOINT, UM FROM AS FAR AS IT EXISTS TODAY, WE JUST TRY TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE, AND THEN ADDING HAMLETS IN THERE. GREAT.GREAT. THAT WAS MY THE SHARP INTAKE OF BREATH WHEN I SAW THIS HAS GONE I HOPE I FIND OUT JUST LIKE THIS IS THE CUT. WHERE'S THE PASTE? AND THE REASON FOR THAT, SIR? JUST GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL IS THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE HAMLET WAS DOES OR DOES IT NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE OPEN SPACE AND PARKLANDS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE SUBDIVISION? AND SO IT DID FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF A SUBDIVISION. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CLARITY THINGS WHEN WE HAD THAT LAST REZONING THAT WE NEEDED TO CLEAN UP IS THAT A LIKE, IS THIS TECHNICALLY A SUBDIVISION AND WE SAID YES, IT WAS. IT HAS TO PROVIDE THE TYPICAL SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND OPEN SPACE WHICH WE DETERMINED WASN'T THE RIGHT THING THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T EVEN MATCH. ESTRATEGIA PLANS OPEN SPACE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS. SO ALL THAT MATCHES NOW AND WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU KNOW THERE ARE SPECIFIC, UM OPEN SPACE AND PARKLANDS FOR THERE ARE TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH HAS NOT CHANGED AND WE'VE JUST ADDED THE HAMLETS. UM GOING TO THE RESIDENTIAL OUTSIDE VILLAGE CENTER, PGR SECTION FIVE. THIS IS NEW TEXT. SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S NEW IS WHAT'S SHOWN IN RED, WHICH IS ONE SENTENCE ON A JUDGE. EIGHT. WHICH IS AT THE VERY TOP OF PAGE EIGHT. WHICH JUST JUST JUST CLARIFIES THAT SECTION APPLIES TO ONLINE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. I HAD HAD A MARKER ON THAT SO THE NEGATION APPLIES TO NOT SINGLE OR NOT ALL OF THE REST OF THIS. RIGHT SO IF IT'S NOT IF IT'S NOT SINGLE, FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THOSE STANDARDS WOULD APPLY, PERHAPS AH! IT COULD BE THOUGHT OF AS MULTI FAMILY, IT DOES APPLY TO MULTI FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IS ONE WAY YOU CAN MISREAD THIS. I WOULD SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. OKAY APPLIES TO ALL NON SINGLE AND I TOOK THE WORDS NON SINGLE AND STUCK OUT THE KNOT AND SAID IT DOES APPLY TO ALL MULTI FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NON WAS SUPPOSED TO APPLY TO. BECAUSE IT READS FUNNY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND THEN I THOUGHT MY SCREWING THIS UP. WHERE IS THAT INDIAN TAMPONS? I GOT A LITTLE MORE CONFUSED WHEN YOU SAID THAT , BUT, UM, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK OUT. REWORDING IT, OKAY? YEAH WE'RE WE WOULD WELCOME ANY CRITIQUES OF THE WORDING THERE, BUT, YEAH, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT IF IT'S NOT OUR TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, DETACHED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THEN AND IF IT'S OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER THAN THAT PART TO MULTI FAMILY APPLY , SO IF IT'S TOWN, HOME, EVERYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, CORRECT THAT'S PROBABLY IS INTENSE. WE'LL TAKE A STEP AT THAT. OKAY SO THIS APPLIES OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER ARE ONE. WELL THEN SAID
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THE GRS ARE AN OVERLAY. UM ON TOP OF ANY, YOU KNOW, ZONING DISTRICTS OR WHETHER IT'S R ONE R SEVEN OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'VE GOT MUCH ARE ONE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. YEAH, BECAUSE WE GOT RESULTS. YEAH YEAH, THAT'S TRUE . BUT SO YEAH. YEAH, IT COULD APPLY. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TYPE WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. SO, YEAH, YOU COULD NOT DO A JUST BASED PURELY ON ARE CODIFIED ORDINANCE IS LIKE A MULTI FAMILY AND HORROR ONE. KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS. THE ENTIRETY OF THIS DOCUMENT APPLIES TO ANY ARE ONE THAT'S NOT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. I WOULD SAY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE IN OUR ONE AND THIS APPLIES TO ANY RISKS ARE ONE IS THE TRUCK. I DRIVE THE HOLE THROUGH THE BIG HOLE. UM SO THAT INCLUDES LIKE THE FARMS. AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS READS LIKE IT'S MEANT FOR TIGHTER SUBURBS. OR TIGHTER SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT. THIS THIS READS MORE LIKE R TWO OR FOUR IF YOU WOULD FOR THE MULTI FAMILY SECTION. NO I'M THE WHOLE OF WELL OVER THE WHOLE TELL COUNCIL. PLEASE CHANGE IN THE FOLLOWING WAYS AND CAN'T RESIST THAT. OKAY LET'S REVIEW THIS AND SEE IF IT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO BE . WHICH IS WHY I HELD OFF UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE MEETING.HOPEFULLY, UM BEFORE GOING OVER SOME OF THE TEXT THAT WE ARE SOME OF THE TEXT THAT DID NOT CHANGE. IS THAT UP FOR REVIEW OR NOT? IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. IF NOT, I'LL BE QUIET AND GO ON.
BUT SO WE DISCUSSED THAT INTERNALLY AND WE I THINK COLLECTIVELY AS A STAFF FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND R D GRS. WE HAD TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT MAYBE DOING SOME OTHER UPDATES, BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON JUST THE HAMLET STANDARDS SO WE COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK AT A LATER POINT AND DO OTHER UPDATES TO THE D G. R S. I THINK THE BIG QUESTION FOR US WAS DID WE NEED A UPDATE THE DDR SPECIFICALLY FOR HAMLETS, AND I THINK WHAT WE FOUND UM, TO OUR DELIGHT WAS THAT WE HAD ALREADY SORT OF CONTEMPLATED, UH , NON TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER. UM AND IT ACTUALLY FITS.
I THINK VERY WELL FOR HAMLETS. WE'VE NEVER USED IT BEFORE, BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO THINK BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS. WE HAD ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED SOMETHING HAPPENING OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER AND SO REALLY, FOR US TO JUST BECAME A QUESTIONABLY. WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY CONNECTED DOTS. SO IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THIS DOES APPLY TO THE HUMANS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT. OF THE PULL OFF ON THAT. SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WHEN I READ IT, AS THOUGH IT WERE BRAND NEW STRUCK ME AS NEEDING SOME TWEAKS, BUT THAT'S IF THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ENVISIONED FOR THIS. THEN I'LL LET THAT GO INTO, BUT I'M WILLING TO WHEN IT ANY TIME YOU WANT TO GO OVER THAT. OTHERS. UM RIGHT WHERE NEAL WAS POINTING OUT. MAKE SURE MULTI FAMILY SHOULD BE RUNNING IN ABOUT THREE OR NOT. OKAY, HERE WE THANK YOU.
OTHER FROM THE COMMISSION. THAT'S LEFT THE WHOLE SET OF WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA. OKAY? AND THERE'S NO MOTION REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE'S SIMPLY WORKSHOP . CORRECT OKAY, SO WE GET THIS FORMALLY FOR VOTE. ON OUR REGULAR MEETING ON THE 20TH. YES SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU GUYS WILL HAVE WILL HAVE, UH, YOU'LL YOU'LL GET MORE OF A LOT OF THIS CONTENT AND MORE OF A PACKAGE FORMAT LIKE A BOOK ALMOST IN YOUR PACKETS, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE TO PUBLIC. IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AND EVERYTHING. IN ADDITION TO ALL THESE KIND OF CHANGES AGAIN, AND PROBABLY MOST LIKELY THE SAME OR SOMEWHERE IN MY MOUTH. BRING I'D LIKE TO TRY HIM IN A SECOND ABOUT ABSTENTIONS, SO IN THE FUTURE IF YOU'RE GONNA ABSTAIN, YOU SHOULD ABSTAIN BEFORE TAKING ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THE HEARING PROCESS OF THE PARTICIPATING EITHER. FORMALLY INFORMALLY, SO ONCE YOU BEGIN TO PARTICIPATE, YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DISAPPROVED. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, JUST KEEP AN EYE ON ALL THAT. OKAY? THANK YOU.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL OF FIELDING ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT GOT THROWN AT THEM. THIS EVENING. WE APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT PLANNING, COMMISSIONING, PLEASE LET US KNOW. LIKEWISE FOR ANYBODY THAT'S VISITING TONIGHT. IF HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO GO OVER THESE WITH YOU IN MORE DETAIL. JUST LET ME HAVE A GIVE YOU MY CARD. AND IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION VIDEOS. I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK CAN ESCAPE INTO IT. SO PAUL MEMBERS FOR COMMENTS SARAH RIGHT? OKAY AND WITH THA
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