Jun 20, 2022 Planning Commission

[I. Call To Order]

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GET PAID TO SCHOOL AND GET STARTED WITH THE MINUTES AND ROCK ON STUFF AND SEE IF YOU YEAH. SURE, SURE, SURE. ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T WE CALL THE JUNE 20TH 2022 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER WE COULD HAVE THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR KIRBY. MR WALLACE. MR WALLACE IS PRESIDENT. MR SCHELL, PRESIDENT? MS BREAKS HERE. MR LARSON WILL TRAVEL. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT. AS VICE CHAIRMAN. I'M. MM LEADING THE MEETING IN THIS THIS EVENING. PENDING UM MR KIRBY'S APPEARANCE. IF HE SHOWS UP, I WILL TRANSFER LEADERSHIP. IF NOT, WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING.

[III. Action of Minutes]

YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. MR SCHELL? YES. MR WALLACE? YES. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR

[IV. Additions or Corrections to Agenda]

THAT'S THE ONLY A MODIFICATION TO THE AGENDA. VERY GOOD. DO I HEAR EMOTIONS TABLE? THE FIRST CASE VR 59 20. 22 VARIANTS TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

MAKE A MOTION. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT? WHAT? THEY WANTED IT, UM, TABLE TOO. BUT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED JULY MEETING, WHICH IS JULY 18TH, RIGHT. WHAT YOU SAID . OKAY. 30 DAYS FROM MISSED IT APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS FROM NOW. OKAY? I'M SORRY. WAS THERE A MOTION OR MOTION TO TABLE VARIANCE? 59 2022 TO THE JULY 18TH 2022 MILLION, OR THEY'RE JUST NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. VERY GOOD. IS THERE A SECOND? OUR SECOND THAT THANK YOU, HANS. WE HAVE THE WRONG MR MORRISON? YES. MR SCHELL? YES MISS BREAKS. YES, MR WALLACE? YES? ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE?

[V. Hearing of Visitors for Items Not on Tonight's Agenda]

[VII. Cases]

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AND WE'RE FINDING THAT WE'RE GETTING SOME INTEREST FROM OFFICE USERS WERE HAVING DISTRIBUTION THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND SO WE FELT SOMETHING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GET THIS ON ALL FOURS WITH SOMEBODY OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA SO THAT THOSE USES COULD BE ALLOWED AS WELL. SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT. THERE WAS A SLIVER OF THIS. THAT ALLOWED FOR SOME RETAIL USES GOING ALL THE WAY BACK OVER HERE. NO BECAUSE YOU PURCHASED THIS. THIS WON'T BE RETAIL, BUT WE'RE REMOVING THE RETAIL USES FROM HERE. WE'RE ALSO REMOVING THE CIA USES SO THESE WILL BE MORE TRADITIONAL LG TYPE PIECES THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT THE BUSINESS. THAT'S JUST. I WANT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FIRST. UM WHY IS THE EASTERN BOUNDARY? WHY DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A REDUCED SET BACK THERE? THE EASTERN. A COUPLE OF THINGS TO REMEMBER THAT THERE WE ANTICIPATE SOME COORDINATION BETWEEN THE END USER HERE AS WELL AS I'M SORRY, TOM, WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I BEG YOUR PARDON? ANTICIPATE SOME COOPERATIVE THE END USER FOR THIS PIECE, AS WELL AS THE OHIO PARCEL. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WASN'T MENTIONED. THE STAFF ACTUALLY REMINDED ME OF EARLY ON WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL ZONING FOR THIS, THERE WERE OUTLAWS IN A SERVICE ROAD EXTENDED THE LENGTH OF, UH OF SMITH'S MILL ROAD. WE HAVE ELIMINATED THOSE SERVICE USES THAT CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT WILL REMAIN IN THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN EXTENSION OF ESSENTIALLY THE SERVICE ROAD LIKE YOU SEE HERE TO OCCUR. CROSSING THAT LINE TO PROVIDE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT SO PURPOSE. ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION . THE PURPOSE FOR THE REDUCED SETBACK IS REALLY THE IDEA OF MARRYING THESE TWO PARCELS TO FUNCTION MORE. COHESIVELY WE KNOW VEHICULAR EARLY THAT WILL HAPPEN. WE HOPE TO ALSO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. COLLECTIVELY BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARCELS RATHER THAN JUST INDEPENDENTLY AS THE CODE REQUIRES. SO THOSE TWO THINGS COMBINED LED US TO BELIEVE AND LET US TURN, UM, REQUEST TO REDUCE IT. OKAY NOT SURE. I KNOW YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE YOU REALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION AS TO WHY THOSE FACTORS WOULD REQUIRE A ROOTED, REDUCED SETBACK. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A ROADWAY WITH DR. THAT NECESSARILY KNOW UNINTENDED AND I. IF THERE'S A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT THERE, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING CAN BE ARRANGED. AND THAT SORT OF THING. I DON'T JUST DON'T NOT CLEAR ON WHY THEY'RE THERE ARE PARKING STEP BACKS, BUILDING SETBACKS, LANDSCAPING SETBACKS. MOST IMPORTANTLY IN THAT EQUATION IS THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PIECE. ALLOWING A REDUCED SETBACK BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARCELS WILL ALLOW US TO DEVELOP THEM IN A WAY THAT APPEARS IN FIELDS. OKAY? FURTHER GO INTO THAT SO HERE. I'M ASSUMING OWNERSHIPS THE SAME BETWEEN THE TWO. AND IF YOU IF YOU MADE THAT ONE LARGE, SORRY. THE OWNERSHIP WILL NOT BE THE SAME BETWEEN THE TWO. THEY WILL BE, UM COOPERATIVE USES COMPLEMENTARY USES WITH DIFFERENT BECAUSE BECAUSE I COMBINED SITE WITHIN ELIMINATE THAT THAT'S RIGHT. IF THEY WERE COMBINED, IT WAS EXACTLY THEY WERE COMBINED WITH ELIMINATE. WE CAN'T IMAGINE. THEY WOULD BE THE SAME. MR. WE INCLUDED STATEMENT AND BUILDING SETBACKS. I DON'T THINK WE INTEND FOR THE BUILDING TO BE THAT CLOSE. SO IF YOU WANT US TO ADHERE TO CODE ON THAT BEST ON THE PROBLEM. IT'S MORE ABOUT THE PAVEMENT CIRCULATION. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. DO WE KNOW HOW OHIO HEALTH FEELS ABOUT THAT? YOU'RE COORDINATING WITH. ALSO REQUESTS BETWEEN THE TWO. WITH THE COMPANY, OR M. B J HOLDINGS IN THIS INSTANCE AND BUSINESS PARTNER ASSOCIATION. RETAIN REVIEW RIGHTS AND SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A COLLABORATION AFTER WE GET THROUGH THESE PROCESSES PRIVATELY BETWEEN THE PARTIES TO AGREE UPON THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THEN I APOLOGIZE. DID I MISS SOMETHING? THERE WAS ANOTHER SETBACK THAT WAS REQUESTED, AND THAT'S BEEN WAIVED. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAD REDUCED THE SETBACKS SLIGHTLY ALONG SMITH'S MILL ROAD

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GOOD. SO I MOVED TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR ZC 60 2022 2ND. SECOND. HAVE THE ROLE. MR WALLACE? YES, MR SHELL. MS BRIGGS. YES, MR LARSON. GET

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THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. DO YOU WANT TO? YOU SURE? LET ME GET SPUN UP, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. TO SEE NOW WE TABLED THE FIRST HEARD THAT THANK YOU. ALRIGHT THE NEXT CASES FDP 60 TO 2022 FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MUUMUU CARWASH DEVELOPMENT LOCATED UM, GENERALLY SOUTH OF YOUR 62 WITHIN THE CANINI TRUST CORP. SECTION. WE'RE FROM STAFF SURE WILL ASK PERMISSION AT THE BEGINNING. IS I JUST TALKED ABOUT THE VARIANCES IN THE SAME PRESENTATION IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. OKAY? OFF WE GO. SO THIS APPLICATION AS YOU MENTIONED IS FOR A NEW NEW CAR WASH. IT WILL BE GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE PARCEL THAT'S IDENTIFIED AND RED. JUST IN CASE ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS AT. I'LL POINT OUT SOME SIGNIFICANT NEW ALBANY LANDMARKS. INCLUDING THE DAIRY QUEEN. HERE EVERYONE STARE AT SPOT IN THE SUMMER SHEETS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AS OPEN WITH THEM LIKE THE PAST YEAR. IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT HERE RECENTLY, YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT WORK THAT'S HAPPENING, A LOT OF DIRT WORK HAPPENING. PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAND IN THAT WE HAVE ALL THE THAT'S WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION HERE. WE WILL HAVE AN EXPRESS OIL LOCATED NEXT TO IT. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A DUNKIN DONUTS RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER. ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE IN THIS AREA IS THE POPEYE'S, WHICH WAS LOCATED CAN BE LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS THE FOREST DRIVE HERE. SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE SITES LAID OUT FIRST. SO AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS PROBABLY FAMILIAR. WE DID JUST REASON THIS SITE RELATIVELY RECENTLY NOT TOO TOO LONG AGO TO ALLOW FOR A CAR WASH. TAPE USED TO BE LOCATED IN THIS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY TRUST SCORE, SO SINCE THEN, CITY STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO STUDY THIS CONCEPT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

WE'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY, AS REQUIRED BY THE TEXT, WHICH HAS REALLY DICTATED CURVED CUTS, SITE CIRCULATION ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING. AFTER THIS ADDITIONAL LAYER OF REVIEW. SO KIND OF WHEN WE'RE IN THE ZONING STAGE. WE KIND OF MADE SOME COMMITMENTS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW , REQUIRING TRAFFIC TO EXIT THE CAR WASH ALONG US 62. UM AND PROVIDING TWO WAYS IN AND OUT OF THIS VACUUM, THIS VACUUM AREA AS WELL. AFTER WE'VE DONE THIS, THESE THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES WE'VE REALLY KIND OF COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE PERMANENT REGULAR ACCESS OFF OF FOREST DRIVE INTO THE SITE AGAIN. REGULAR PERMANENT ACCESS. WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ACCESS INTO THE SITE IS REALLY PROVIDED OFF OF WOODCREST WAY. THE REASON FOR THIS IS AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO WITH EVERY RETAIL SIDE. BUT REALLY EVERY PUDU IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR PUBLIC ROADS. WHICH ARE FORGED DRIVE AND NAMELY, UH, US 60 JAIL. AFTER THOSE, UM. DIRECTIONS AND DIRECTIVES REALLY

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LANDSCAPE WISE, WE REALLY WORKED WITH CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT MPS K TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE , UM, A GOOD SCREENING BUFFER FOR THOSE, HE ASKED THOSE THOSE KIOSKS. THAT WOULD BE REALLY ALONG 62 HERE, UM MM TSK DID PROVIDE A MEMO THAT I BELIEVE I PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKETS. THAT KIND OF MODIFIES THIS THIS LANDSCAPE PLAYING A LITTLE BIT. YOU WILL SEE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. BEYOND THAT MEMO THAT ABOUT I THINK IT'S 18 TO 20 TREES BE PLANTED WITHIN THIS BUFFER SETBACK AREA AS REQUIRED BY CODE. WE THINK AN ACCOMMODATION WITH MPS CASE COMMENTS AND THE ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG US 62 THAT WILL PROVIDE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER THE SCREEN, THE MORE INTENSIVE PART OF THIS PROPOSED USE. AS FAR AS BUILDING ARCHITECTURE GOES AGAIN INVOLVES SEEING MEMBER CAR WASHES. THEIR DESIGN IS A BAR IN WHICH WE LIVE HERE IN NEW ALBANY. UM THE ARCHITECTURE IS COMPLETE. THEY USE 360 DEGREE. ARCHITECTURE THEY USE THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS, BLOOD MATERIALS ON OUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING, WHICH ACCOMPLISHES, YOU KNOW, AS ANY TAX REQUIREMENT AND SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY A HALLMARK OF NEW ALBANY. IT'S REALLY CARING ALL THOSE BUILDING MATERIALS ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT THE CHIEF PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS WOULD BE HARDY PLANK, WHICH WE'VE SEEN USED ON OTHER BUILDINGS, NAMELY THE BP GAS STATIONS. THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR THE FARMHOUSE TYPE DESIGN AS WELL. THEY USE HARDY PLANK AS WELL AS A BRICK. THE LAST TWO VARIANCES THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT AND REALLY CLOSE OUT THE PRESENTATION OR FOR SIGNAGE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE BASED ON THE FURNITURE. THEY'RE BUILDING. I'LL GO BACK TO THAT. THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO BECAUSE THEY'RE FRONTAGE IS HERE AND HERE. THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO LIKE A 31 SQUARE FOOT. UM UM, WALL SIGN ON THIS PART OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE OUR CROWD SAYS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED I'VE JUST CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET BASED ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING ALONG THE PUBLIC ROAD, SO THERE ARE 31 FT OF FRONTAGE ALONG BOTH THOSE ROADWAYS AND THE PROPOSED WALL

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AND WE DID POPEYES AND DUNKIN DONUTS. AND WE CARRY THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OVER TO THIS APPLICATION AND THE RECOMMENDED MOTION. WE THINK THAT THE SAME CONDITIONS APPLY IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING EXTRA LANDSCAPE SCREENING ALONG US 62. THESE SCREENS ARE ACTUALLY EVEN SMALLER. ALL THE APPLICANTS TELL YOU HOW SMALL THEY ARE. BUT ACTUALLY EVEN SMALLER THAN THE TYPICAL LIKE MENU BOARD SIGN. THEY DID LET US KNOW AS WELL THAT AT NIGHTTIME AND BUSINESSES CLOSED, THE SCIENCE WILL BE TURNED OFF. THIS KIOSK WILL BE TURNED OFF SO WE REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THESE UH HUH. OR OFFENSIVE IN ANY WAY SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL RESULT PLAN AND THE VARIANCES WITH THE CONDITIONS AND THE STAFF PARTS.

IS THAT A DANCING COW AND SAID OF A DANCING DONUT? MM THAT'S A GOOD ONE. I DON'T KNOW. BEFORE I FORGET. IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING WE SHOULD HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT? THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. WE WERE REVIEWED THE FINAL DOUBLE PLAYING IN COURTS WITH THE APPLICABLE CODE SECTIONS. MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS. ONE IS TO ADD MONUMENT ATION. TO SLIGHTLY REVISED THE LOCATION OF THE INGRESS EGRESS TO ALIGN WITH THE HOTEL CURB CUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WOODCREST DRIVE. AND THEN ODAK CRITERIA WOULD REQUIRE THAT DESIGNED PLACE IN PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. STAY OFFSET TWO FT BY LEISURE PATH OR SIDEWALK. SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE GO AND HEAR FROM THE APPLE. I HAVE ONE. I'D SIGNAGE CALCULATE SIGNAGE. IF IT'S NOT A TRUE RECTANGULAR SIGNAGE. WE CALCULATE THE RECTANGULAR. PORTION WHERE WE DO THE ACTIONS WE DO. YES WE DRAW IMAGINARY BOX AROUND. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT POLICE? ERIN UNDERHILL ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. JEFF BUILDER WITH MUUMUU HARD WORK. OR WITH MANIC SMITH. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS. SO I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO THESE GENTLEMEN, BUT DID WANNA REITERATED DESIGN HERE IN TERMS OF THE SITE FANS DRIVEN BY THE TRAPPED AND STUFF? DAY ONE WOULD BE HIM AND LEAVE WITH STAFF.

THAT WAS MOST IMPORTANCE GIVEN THIS IS AN AUTO ORIENTED USE. THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE THEY CAN TALK ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS THEY HAVE ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT THEY ARE VERY WELL VERSED IN TERMS OF WHEN PEAK TIMES ARE HOW MUCH STACKING THERE IS, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDED ADEQUATE CIRCULATION AND STACKING SO THAT EVERYTHING IS SUB CONTAINED. SO I WANT TO POINT OUT WE'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE MOVIE CAR WASH OVER ON HAMILTON'S ROAD. THAT ONE WAS A RETROFIT THAT WAS IRAN'S EXPRESS CAR WASH. FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND SO IF YOU'RE COMPARING THIS APPLES TO APPLES THAT'S PROBABLY

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HERE. SO WITH THAT, JEFF, I MIGHT LET YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR OPERATIONS AND WHAT YOU EXPECT. TRAPPING FLOWER. UM WE ARE OPEN FROM SEVEN AM TO EIGHT PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND NINE PM TO SIX PM ON SUNDAYS. WE ARE VERY FOCUSED ON OUR UNLIMITED WATCH CLUB MEMBERSHIP, WHICH KIND OF UM I'LL SAY IT PROVIDES A KIND OF CONSISTENT VOLUME WITH USERS AND KIND OF TAKE SOME OF THOSE PEAKS OUT OF THE DEMAND TIME. AND A LOT OF YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO BE WHERE PEOPLE GO AND DO THEIR DAILY ACTIVITIES AND WE ARE EXCITED TO BE IN THE CORRIDOR HERE AND ALL THE GROWTH IS HAPPENING AND GOING ON HERE. STAFF MENTIONED WE DID MODIFY OUR SITE PLAN TO INCORPORATE THE WOULD PRESS ACCESS AND, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY EVERYBODY HAS BEEN IN A CAR WASH IN FEBRUARY WHEN IT'S 50 DEGREES, AND EVERY CAR IS COVERED IN SALT, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO WAIT TWO HOURS TO GET A CAR WASH, AND IT'S HARD TO DESIGN A SITE TO ACCOMMODATE LIKE BUILDING A CHURCH FOR CHRISTMAS AND EASTER. YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHEN THOSE DAYS ARE GOING TO COME. WE STAFF WE WORK WITH LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MITIGATE. ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC. ISSUES AND YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO HAVE IS OUR OUR CUSTOMERS GETTING EXCITED. CITATIONS BLOCKING REST 62 OR SOMETHING ON. AS STAFF MENTIONED THE BAILOUT LANE IS FOR BASICALLY FOR VEHICLES THAT CAN'T GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH. THERE'S A MASSIVE MECHANICAL MALFUNCTION OR IF THERE'S A BAND WITH LADDER RACKS OR LIKE TODAY I WAS OUT EAST MAIN STREET. WE HAD A BIG SPRINTER VAN THAT WANTED TO COME THROUGH AND JUST IT'S JUST TOO TALL. CAN'T WASH IT. SO THAT BAILOUT BASICALLY ENABLES US TO GET THOSE CARS KIND OF OUT OF THE OUT OF THE WAY. UM, IT WILL. MAYBE BE USED TWO TIMES IN A MONTH. SO. BASICALLY AFTER THE KIOSK, THE RIGHT LANE AND THE LANE CLOSEST TO 62 IS A DESIGNATED MEMBER. LEADING UM, WE HAVE THREE PAY STATIONS HERE WITH JUST IMPROVES THROUGHPUT AND UM, ALLOWS US TO BE MORE EFFICIENT, HAVING CARS QUEUED UP, THEN ABLE TO GO IN THE WASH, UH, ON A REGULAR BASIS, WE CAN WATCH ABOUT 100 CARS AN HOUR. MOST OF THE TIME YOU'LL SEE. 3 TO 4 CARS AND STACK AND QUEUE AND JUST A REGULAR KIND OF CONSISTENT FLOW.

THROUGH THE SITE. HOPEFULLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING FUEL SHEETS OR PICKING UP SOME GROCERIES AT ALL THESE ARE CHICKEN NEXT DOOR. SO UM, AFTER THE CAR WASH. WE PROVIDE FREE VACUUMS, WHICH ARE LOCATED BETWEEN STACK LINES, THE CAR WASH. THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU KNOW THEY ARE WASHED CUSTOMERS. BUT REALLY ANYBODY CAN USE THEM WHENEVER THEY WANT. AND YOU KNOW THAT? BUT I THINK.

BASED ON THE FACT THAT COGNITIVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE NEXT HOTEL USE AND WE KIND OF PUT OURSELVES TO BED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, SO WORN OUT REALLY A NUISANCE USED WITH A LOT OF BRIGHT LIGHTS AND LOUD NOISES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK AND WE DO HAVE SITE LIGHTING, BUT WE'RE REALLY ONLY UTILIZING THAT MAYBE THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR. IT'S DARK.

IT'S 5, 30 OR SO. SO. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH OUR OPERATIONS AND HOW WE RUN OUR BUSINESS. WE DO HAVE 24 UNITS IN CENTRAL OHIO. WE'D BE LIKE WE'RE PRETTY GOOD OPERATOR AND KNOW HOW TO HOW TO RUN OUR BUSINESS. WE LOVE A CLEAN LANDSCAPE SITE. OUR CEO IS A FORMER LANDSCAPE CONTRACTOR FROM MANY, MANY YEARS BACK AND BELIEVE YOU CAN'T SELL CLEAN IF YOU'RE NOT CLEAN, SO WE TRY TO MAINTAIN OUR STUFF AND HAVE IT LOOKING GREAT. ALL THE TIME. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, JEFF. HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT THE CENTER WITH THE VACUUMS. FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE WORTHINGTON. THERE'S ONLY BELIEVE ONE STRIP OF VACUUM. THIS HAS TWO SIDES, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF SOMEBODY'S COMING IN AND THEY PAUL, RIGHT, THEY HAVE TO BACK OUT. TO THEN COME BACK OUT. WELL, I. TRICK TYPICALLY, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE CUSTOMERS. STACKING THE STACK LANES TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE IMAGE UP THERE. WASH THE CAR, EXIT THE CAR WASH AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN GO INTO THE BACK AREA.

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THIS WAY. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO RUN INTO PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE WASH. ME. OH, WELL, THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE WASH HAPPENED ABOUT EVERY 45 SECONDS LIKE THERE'S AN ADEQUATE WINDOW OF TIME FOR THE ONE OR TWO CARS THAT MAY LEAVE THE BACK SPACES. EMERGE AND GET ON TO THAT EXIT.

AND WE'RE NOT. I'M ASSUMING WOODCREST IS GOING TO BE A ROAD YOU CAN GET ON REALLY EASILY.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GOTTA WAIT FOR TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT BEING A PROBLEM AT ALL. AND IT'S REALLY THE THING. THE. MOST OF THE CUSTOMERS I'M GONNA SAY 70% OF THE CUSTOMERS ARE NOT GOING TO BACK. MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO WASH AND GO ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS. AND SO THE HAN THE SAME POINT THAT HANS WAS GOING ON GOING DOWN. YOU SORT OF HAVE THIS SIMILAR DESIGN AND NUMEROUS OTHER LOCATIONS. OKAY? UM I HAD A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS SO I CAN'T REMEMBER. IT WAS STAFF FOR YOU. THAT NOTED THAT THERE'S THREE KIOSKS. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THIS ONE AND THIS IS 21 OF THE BAR. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. OKAY SO THIS ONE JUST FACES A DIFFERENT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE IT FACES A DIFFERENT WAY OR SMALLER FACE THE CURB AND THE DRIVER'S SIDE SO THE CARDS ARE FACING TO THE LEFT. HE ASKED HER IN THE LEFT CURB OR ON THE ISLANDS. IT'S NOT A CURB ON THE BOTTOM. THAT'S ON ISLANDS OF THE OKAY? AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE DIGITAL SIGNS. WHICH AGAIN I THINK ARE IN THESE KIOSKS CORRECT. AND SO THIS MAY BE MORE CHRIS FOR YOU FOR STAFF. I ASSUME AND I KNOW SOMEBODY MENTIONED. DUGGAN DONUTS, BUT I ASSUME AH DAIRY QUEEN HAS SOME SORT OF DIGITAL SIGN FOR THEIR ORDERING KIOSKS. I KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR NOT. I DON'T THINK THEY HAD A VARIANCE APPROVED FOR IT. OKAY WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WAS JUST A STANDARD CHANGEABLE COPY. MENU CARD, AND THESE WON'T PHASE 62 BECAUSE THEY WILL BE FACING THE CARS. I MEAN, WHEN THE CARS ARE NOT THERE, THEY WOULD BE FACING 62. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND SCREENING. STOPPING THEM. OKAY? AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION. I THINK THIS WAS MENTIONED. AND MAYBE THE STAFF REPORT IS, UM, WHERE YOUR EMPLOYEES WILL BE PARKING. SO THERE'S. BUT TWO SPACES UP THERE. HERE. THAT ARE

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THERE'S NOTHING IN PLACE. SO APPARENTLY TWO PLUS A HANDICAP. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IN THE HANDICAP IS PROBABLY TECHNICALLY FOR SOMEONE THAT IS VERY VACUUMING. CORRECT ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE A VACUUM. OKAY? IT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? OKAY? SARAH DEREK QUEEN, I BELIEVE HAS SIZE AND NUMBER OF SIGNS ON THEIR ENTRY, BUT NOT A DIGITAL VARIANTS. BUT AS. EVERY QUESTION AROUND SIGNAGE SO. I THINK WE IDEALLY YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THEM COME UP FOR US, DR.

IT'S CORRECT TO HAVE INTERNS. OF COURSE DRIVING. WE ASKED YOU TO COME FROM THE FACT SIDE. IN THAT SITUATION, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THE LONG SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING BASES 62. WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED YOU A LARGE SIGN. THE WE WERE GOING TO ENTER HERE. HAVE THE BUILDING ORIENTED OVER HERE . BUILDINGS ALWAYS RIGHT THAT WAY VERTICALLY. MATTER WHICH SIDE. SO YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE TOO SHORT WITH TOWARDS 62. WHICH WOULD HAVE ONLY A LARGER THAN 31 SQUARE FEET, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR 50. I UNDERSTAND IT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET CUSTOMERS TO SEE IT FROM 62, BUT ON THE OTHER END WHETHER EXITING ALREADY GOT CUSTOMERS COMMITTED THEY CAN'T SEE IT AS THEY'RE DRIVING OUT. WHAT'S THE REASON? THE RATIONALE FOR HAVING A LARGER SIZE? JUST CONSISTENCY.

WHAT MOLES? SCALE US, RIGHT? END OF THE BUILDING. THE EXIT HERE AND THERE? YES. AND I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT OTHER OPTIONS. I MEAN , YOU GUYS ARE BUILDING UP THEIR CITIES THAT HAVE SAID THAT WE HAVEN'T PUT IN THAT THAT THAT'S NOT FOR A MOLE. THIS THREE DIMENSIONAL. WE HAVEN'T MADE SMALLER I WOULD SAY. NOT A LITTLE ONE THERE. STATE. I DON'T THINK THE SCALE IS OUT OF IT. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, KIND OF ARE USED PENALIZES US BECAUSE WE'RE SKINNY. YEARS AND OBVIOUSLY, IF OUR DAILY ROUTINE TONIGHT DEGREES HAPPEN GINORMOUS ON BUILDING BASED ON WHICH I WENT WIDE EITHER. THAT JUST ENTERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. THANKS TO STAFF FOR LIKE HANDLING ALL OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION. I AM FOR THE PHONE CALL PROBLEM. FOR STAFF. THERE'S NO CONFLICT ON USE HERE. ZONING ALLOWS THIS USE. THAT'S CORRECT. OK WHICH LEADS ME TO THE VARIANCES HERE ARE MOSTLY BASED ON THE PECULIARITIES OF THIS PARTICULAR USE. I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S THE SIGHTS, LOCATION AND PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC ROADWAYS, NAMELY 62. THAT DROVE THE ORIENTATION OF THE SITE WHEN WE TRY THIS ANOTHER WAY, DEREK QUEEN DIDN'T NEED THIS PARTICULAR VARIANT SET. THEY HAD THEIR OWN. I WOULD SAY THAT THEY WOULD NOT NEED IT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE ACCESS DIRECT ENOUGH OF FOREST DRIVE. I

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YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A CONDITION ALONG 62 WHERE WE HAVE THIS ENCROACHMENT WHERE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BEND THERE. THAT'S NOT PRESENT IN OTHER PLACES, SO A LOT OF LOT OF TRAFFIC SORT OF ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT IN THE SITE PLAN AND THEREFORE LEADING TO THE BEARINGS REQUESTS. AND WHILE I HAVE YOU THERE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT OR THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. GO AHEAD. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T SEE ON THE LANDSCAPING DIAGRAM THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING PARTICULARLY CALLED OUT WITH REGARD TO SCREENING WHERE THE KIOSKS ARE. AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE TOOK GREAT CARE. I THINK ON. DUNCAN DONUTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAT WE APPROVE. WE'RE GOING TO BE SCREENED WELL SCREENED FROM ALL ANGLES, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER WHATEVER LANDSCAPING GETS APPROVED, THAT STAFF HAS HAS THE SAY AND MAKING SURE THAT THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S PUT IN SERVES AS A SCREEN TO 60 , CERTAINLY ON 62 TO SEEING ANY PART OF THOSE KIOSKS. NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO DO THAT. BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE IN THE LANDSCAPING DIAGRAM. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE WE GET THE APPLICANTS COMMITMENT THAT THEY WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THAT THOSE KIOSKS OR ADEQUATELY AND WELL SCREENED FROM 60 TO ANOTHER ADVANTAGE POINTS. ABSOLUTELY DAVID, I THINK WOULD BE EASY TO DO, CONSIDERING THESE KIOSKS OR RELATIVELY LOW ON THE GROUNDS WERE IN OUR CAR TO LOOK AT THEM, RIGHT, SO NOT GREAT AND ALSO NOTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU KNOW. IN ADDITION TO MK SK TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AS WELL. WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 18 TREES ON THAT FRONT PROPERTY SELLING. I THINK WE'LL GET THERE. SO, UM. SINCE WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE COMMENTS IS CONDITIONED TO A BIT OF EXTRA WORKING ON CONDITION TWO IN THE USED IN THE NOT THE VARIOUS ANOTHER ONE IN THERE. PLAN. IS THIS. YES. FINAL GOVERNMENT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMMISSION ADDED TO CONDITION TWO BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST YOUR TALKS ABOUT LANDSCAPE, AND I WOULD SAY, ADDING TO THAT PAYING PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO SCREENING ROUTE 62 FROM THE DIGITAL SCIENCE. BECAUSE WE HAVE ALMOST WORRYING LIKE THAT FOR DAIRY QUEEN ON THE S SO MANY DEGREES OFF. IT'S NOT QUITE DEGREES, BUT IT'S HERE'S THE WASH OF LIGHT FROM THE DIGITAL SIDE. AHEAD OF ME. FORGET WHAT DIRECTION IT WAS, BUT YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS LIKE GOING TO GET AHEAD OR SOMETHING. TO GO PAY HER. UM, THE PLOT TO THE RIGHT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT OWNED BY THE SAME ENTITY AT THIS POINT METHOD THE YES. IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT'S LIKELY TO GO THERE? LOVELY. UM, SORT. 30 YEARS, SERVICE USE WILL BE THE MOST LIKELY. UNDER YOUR COAT. MINDFUL. COMING OUT HERE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS THAT WE DIDN'T

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RIGHT? DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT THE DIGITAL SIGN WILL BE TURNED OFF WHEN YOU'RE CLOSED? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO. SO I'M THINKING OF GOING BACK TO THE PARKING. SO I'M THINKING ABOUT YOUR MAX. PEOPLE MIGHT BE FOUR BIG TIME. AND GO AND LOOK AT OUR HOTELS OR WHATEVER JASON TEND TO HAVE IS CALCULATED BASED ON THEIR YOUTH. SO TAKEN FROM THAT. 50% OF YOUR LOAD. PEAK TIMES.

SEEMS LIKE A LOT. I WOULD ASK THAT WE GO WITH THREE PLUS ONE HANDICAP. IN THIS YEAR. I DO.

THE CALCULATIONS ARE SAYING IT'S 45 SECONDS PER CAR. AND 70% OF THEM. DON'T GO INTO THE VACUUM.

THAT MEANS YOU HAVE 24 USES PER HOUR AND BACK. SO 15 UNITS FOR 2024 USES PER HOUR SEEMS EXCESSIVE. I DON'T THINK YOU COULD AFFORD TO GIVE WHAT I WAS UP TO A PARKINSON. TECHNICALLY WE CAN CONE OFF ALL THE HVAC SPACES AND NOT ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO BACK. WHICH YOU KNOW COULD BE THE CASE SO FIVE MINUTES MORE ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY OF HAVING THAT EXTRA BACK SPOT FOR PART OF ME AND DAVE. GENERALLY SPEAKING. I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE ARE MAYBE FIVE AND THREE. HIT ON THEIR BAR. PROVEN TO BE ARE FIVE VOLUMES. BUT YOU'D BE WILLING TO DEDICATE YOU DO IN THE ABSENCE OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SURROUNDING. LANDOWNER YOU YOU AGREE THAT YOU WOULD SACRIFICE VACUUM CLEANERS FOR BACK IN SLOTS FOR STAFF STAFF ON TODAY'S THAT REQUIRE IT. EVERY TIME, OKAY? AND THERE IS 24 VAC SPOTS HERE AT THIS LOCATION. 15 THANKS.

DID YOU RECORD I'VE DONE ANY OTHER QUESTION. ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION. HEARING NONE. SHOULD WE DO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR THE VARIANCES? FIRST DOCUMENTS? I'M SORRY I'M GETTING THERE. I'M GETTING THERE. THERE'S DOCUMENTS FOR BOTH. I THINK SO. I THINK TYPICALLY DONE FDP'S FIRST AND THEN THE VARIANCES AFTER I THINK ALL RIGHT. SO, UM. AS IF THE PS REVIEWED BY A COUNCIL WHERE IS IT DOWN HERE? IT'S DONE HERE.

OKAY? SO I MOVED TO WORK, CEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. FDP 60 TO 2022. DO I HEAR A 2ND 2ND? NEAR THE WORLD. MR WALLACE? YES, MR KIRBY. MR SCHELL? YES MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR LARSON? YES? ZERO MOTION ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS IN THE REPORT. UM AND THEN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE AFRICAN AGREES TO USE VACUUM CLEANER SLOTS FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, IF THEY CANNOT EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT ON DAYS WHEN THEY NEED MORE THAN TWO STAFF PARTY. IS THERE A SECOND? IN MODIFYING CONDITION TO THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, ADDING PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO SCREENING FOR THE ROUTE 60. SCREENING OF THE DIGITAL SIGNS

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[VIII. Other Business]

REQUIREMENTS UPDATE WHICH IS FURTHER BUSINESS. SO I WILL START US OFF HERE. WE DO HAVE, UM, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNOWS, BUT JUST TO REITERATE. FOR THE RECORD, WE DID HAVE AN INFORMAL, UM, WORKSHOP. TWO WEEKS AGO AT OUR JUNE 6TH MEETING. THINK ALL BUT 11 PLANNING COMMISSION COMMISSION MEMBER WAS AT THAT MEETING. WENT THROUGH. MOST OF THE SAME WILL GO THROUGH A LOT OF THE SAME MATERIAL TODAY, BUT WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SURRENDER FOR THE RECORD, AND MAYBE THERE'S PEOPLE HERE THAT WEREN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, SO WE THINK THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT. SO I WILL START US OFF. AND THEN WE HAVE MK SK AGAIN. HERE ARE LANDSCAPE AND URBAN DESIGN ARCHITECTS. UM THEY'VE BEEN DOING WORK IN THE CITY FOR 20 PLUS YEARS. ARE PLANNING TEAM CONSISTED OF CITY STAFF AND CAST A. SO JUST TO START US OFF, SO AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THE HAMLET CONCEPT WAS FIRST INTRODUCED IN OUR ENGAGEMENT ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN MARCH OF 2021. FAIRLY SHORTLY AFTER THIS ADOPTION AND APPLICANT BROUGHT FORTH A PROPOSAL FOR A HAMLET DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS APPROVED THAT THE REASONING PROCESS BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION HOWEVER, IT WAS DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL IN LATE 2021. SHORTLY AFTER THIS DENIAL , CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED CITY STAFF TO FURTHER STUDY THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT AND ITS BEST APPLICATION. IN NEW ALBANY. SO AS I MENTIONED SINCE EARLY 2020 TO STUDY STAFF, ALONG WITH MK SK HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY ON THIS PROJECT . WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT REALLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO BE INCLUDED IN A HAMLET IN NEW ALBANY AND CENTRAL COMPONENTS OF A HAMLET. THOSE LETTERS TO CREATE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH IS THE SAME APPROACH THAT WE USE FOR ALL OF OUR LAND USE ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE ENGAGEMENT ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN AND EVERY STRATEGIC AND BEFORE THAT. SO KIND OF YOU TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. COMPARED TO WHAT I DID TWO WEEKS AGO AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY AND WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING TODAY. AS A PART OF THIS, SO THE THREE ITEMS WERE TAKING A LOOK AT OUR THE HAMLET FOCUS AREA. BAHAMA DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITHIN THE FOCUS AREA. AND THEN THE CODE UPDATES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE THOSE ADDITIONS TO STRATEGIC PLAN JUST TO MAKE SURE STRATEGIC PLAN IS IN LINE WITH, UM ARE ARE SORRY. OUR CITY CODE DOESN'T LIE WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. WE ARE NOT THE REVIEWING A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. SO THESE ITEMS THAT ARE REVIEWING TODAY THESE ARE ALL REALLY A FRAMEWORK OR A SET OF RULES AND GUIDELINES THAT WE THAT WE PUT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO EQUIP OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND OUR CITY COUNCIL. TO MAKE A DECISION ON UH IF AND WHEN SOMEONE WERE TO COME FORWARD LATER PROPOSAL DEVELOPMENT AGAIN. THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. SO TODAY, I'VE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT IF AND WHEN AN APPLICANT WHERE TO COME FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO PUT A HAMLET IN THE WALL, BENIN. THEY WOULD START RESENTING PROCESS AND I WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE

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RESIGNING APPLICATION REQUIREMENT. UH AN APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE STUDENT IMPACT. A STUDENT IMPACT STATEMENT WHEN YOU GET THAT WITH EVERY REZONING THAT WE BRING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TYPICALLY, AT THIS POINT, WE USUALLY HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN IDEA TO REZONING HOW BIG BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE HELP BIG. YOU KNOW, HOUSE IS GOING TO BE HOW BIG A RETAIL SPACE IS GOING TO BE. WE HAVE KIND OF A GENERAL IDEA OF THAT. AND USUALLY THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUTS RESTRICTIONS ON THEMSELVES OR ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS ON THEMSELVES IN THE FORM OF A ZONING TAXED. ANY REVIEW ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AT THE TIME OF A REZONING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, CAN SOMETIMES COME UP AS PROPOSED PROGRAMMING THIS COULD BE YOU KNOW ANY EVENTS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY. ONE MORE COMMON THING THAT WE SEE HERE IN NEW ALBANY IS UH, HOW SOMEONE'S GOING TO MONETIZE THEIR PART LANDED OPEN SPACE IN FORMS OF PLAYGROUNDS, DIFFERENT NATURAL PLAY ELEMENTS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY WITH THE WOODHAVEN DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT'S REALLY A SNIPPET OF THINGS THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE REASONING. IT'S VERY IT'S LIKE ANOTHER LAYER OF DETAIL. UM AND THEN THE HAMLET FOCUS HERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS REALLY SERVE AS OUR GUIDE. TO GUIDE US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THAT REASONING PROCESS, BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION IN CITY COUNCIL. SO ALONG WITH THAT PROCESS, THERE ARE THREE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE. AND THE REASONING PROCESS. THE FIRST STEP IS A ROCKY FORK BLACK ACCORD. THEY'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S A IT'S A JOINT BOARD BETWEEN PLAIN TOWNSHIP, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, AND, UH. ALBANY UM , SO IF A SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE REALLY WITHIN FRANKLIN COUNTY AND NORTH OF 1 61 GENERALLY THAT REQUIRES ROCKY FORK BLACK RECORDED APPROVAL. THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY TAKES A IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A ZONING STAFF REPORT. THEY'RE SUPER SUPER LONG THEY'RE LIKE CAN SOMETIMES BE 11 PAGES LONG, VERY , VERY DETAILED DOCUMENTS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY TAKES A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT ALL THE RULES THAT WE'RE CREATING.

MAKING SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING CITY CODES STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL WHO ENDS UP TAKING FINAL ACTION ON THE REASON THE APPLICATION I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK , PARTICIPATE BE INVOLVED AND ALL THREE OF THESE MEETINGS.

JUST LIKE YOU ARE HERE TONIGHT. THE REALLY WHAT'S KIND OF THE LAST, UM, THE LAST STEP IN THE PROCESS OF A REZONING OR ABOUT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN WITHIN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AREA IS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO WE JUST HAD MOVEMENT CARWASH HERE. THAT WAS THE FINAL DEVELOPED PLAN. IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION , YOU KNOW, SO IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY DETAILED. WE GET REALLY, REALLY DOWN INTO THE WEEDS OF THE MENU. SHA REALLY? WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER IS PROPOSED IS MATCHING THOSE COMMITMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER MADE. BACK AT THE RESIGNING THE RESIGNING PROCESS AND IF THEY'RE NOT, SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED VARIANCES LIKE WE DID TONIGHT WITH THE MUUMUU CARWASH. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF A LAST STEP CHECK. SO THIS IS WHEN WE GET LIKE I SAID, REALLY, REALLY DETAILED INFORMATION WE GET KIND OF YOU SEE, THEY LOOK LIKE REALLY ENGINEERED SITE PLANS REALLY PUT TOGETHER. LANDSCAPE PLANS BUILDING ELEVATIONS. USUALLY TYPICALLY KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT PROGRAMMING THE SIZE OF THE SIZE OF THE UNITS, BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE USED. THIS IS THE REALLY REALLY DETAILED PORTION OF A DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC PROCESS THAT'S IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT STAGE. SO IF, UM, PROPOSAL INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE PARKLAND AT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS BUILT INTO ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN NEW HARMONY. THOSE PROPOSED APARTMENT AND OPEN SPACE DEDICATIONS REQUIRE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD WHO MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION TO I BELIEVE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? UM AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO ADDED SPECIFICALLY FOR HAMLETS IN NEW ALBANY, SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD DURING THE ADOPTION PROCESS OF THE ORIGINAL STRATEGIC PLAN WAS SINCE THIS IS HAMLETS ARE REALLY

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WE BELIEVE THIS IS NECESSARY DENSITY TO OBTAIN A CRITICAL MASS THAT WOULD ENABLE THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT TO WORK GIVEN THE TYPE OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES DESIRED. WITHIN A HAMLET. WE ALSO ARRIVED AT A RATIO OF 75% DEVELOPED LAND TO 25% PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. WE WANTED TO ALSO PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR THE MIX OF USES WITHIN A HAMLET. SO WE CAME UP WITH A MINIMUM RATIO OF 200 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR EVERY ONE DWELLING UNIT. SO WE FEEL THAT THIS, UM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL RATIO WOULD HELP TO ENSURE A VIBRANT, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. UM WE ALSO PROVIDE , UM IN STANDARD NUMBER THREE. SOME EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD BE ENCOURAGED IN A HAMLET, WHICH INCLUDES ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. PROFESSIONAL SERVICE BUSINESSES , RETAIL STORES, RESTAURANTS AND SMALL HOTELS. WE DISCOURAGE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS TO PRESERVE THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED NATURE OF A HAMLET. WE ALSO WANT TO ENCOURAGE A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH TOO MANY OF ONE TYPE OF BUSINESS. UM I DON'T WANT IT TO BE ALL RESTAURANT. WE'RE ALL RETAIL BECAUSE WE WANT A HAMLET TO BE ACTIVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY, RATHER THAN JUST AT PEAK TIMES.

UM WE ALSO DETERMINED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 55 FT. AROUND THE CIVIC GREEN IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE AND 40 FT AT THE PERIMETER. NEXT SLIDE. WE WANNA SEE PUBLIC STREETS IN THE HAMLET LINE, PREDOMINANTLY WITH BUILDINGS, WITH THE EXCEPTION FOR LIMITED DRIVES, PUBLIC SPACES AND PROPERLY SCREENED PARKING LOTS. AND THIS WILL ENSURE THAT STREETS ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. UM. AND ARE JUST PLEASANT, MORE PLEASANT STREETS. AND UM, WE DON'T WANT GARAGE DOORS TO FACE PRIMARY STREETS. WE ALSO AGAIN TO REITERATE ONE PARKING TO BE INTEGRATED THROUGHOUT THE SITE THROUGH A VARIETY. SO ON STREET PARKING SURFACE PARKING, LOCATED BEHIND BUILDINGS. AND. LIMITED PARKING LOTS LOCATED BESIDE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPERLY SCREENED. WE WANT DR. LOCATIONS SPEAK UP TO A MINIMUM AND THE PLACEMENT OF BUILDING SHOULD ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. SO WE'D WANT A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER OF A HAMLET TO SUBMIT A PARKING MODEL TO DEMONSTRATE. UM THAT'S SUFFICIENT PARKING IS PROVIDED FOR THE USE IS ON SITE. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE A SHARED PARKING MODEL SO THAT WE DON'T OVERBUILD PARKING, AND THAT TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED NATURE OF A HAMLET. AND UM, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION FROM LAST TIME IF THE TENANTS OF HAMLET SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE OR IF THEY USE MIXED CHANGES, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE ASKED TO RESUBMIT THE PARKING MODEL. TO CITY ZONING STAFF FOR REVIEW.

AND THEN POTENTIAL HAMLET DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS SHOULD INCLUDE AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN.

UM, GET INTO KIND OF THAT PROCESS THAT CHRIS LAID OUT FOR US. A POTENTIAL HAMLET DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED TO GO THROUGH THAT PUDU REZONING PROCESS. AND THEN FINALLY, POTENTIAL HAMLET DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL MUST REFERENCE APPLICABLE CHAPTERS OF THE D G.

R S. ALREADY SO TO CLOSE OUT THE PRESENTATION SIMILAR TO WHAT I DID LAST TIME, BUT AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, WE DO HAVE PROPOSED CODE UPDATES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STANDARDS ARE PUT IN PLACE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. ARE IN LINE WITH OUR CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CONFLICTS. SO I JUST BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THOSE REALLY QUICKLY. BUT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE DETAILS REDLINE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR PACKETS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS CHAPTER 11 57, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE WHAT I CALL THE R B SECTION ARCHITECTURE OF THE BOARD SECTION. SO WE DID HERE IS WE ADDED THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. TO THE REQUIRE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AIR B TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AS WE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES IN OUR PRESENTATION SO FAR. THE NEXT TWO WILL TALK ABOUT INTERCHANGEABLY, SO OUR CITY CODE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE PARKED IN AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR HAMLET DEVELOPMENTS. UM, SO WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, AS WE MENTIONED. BUT ABOUT THAT A LOT MORE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AS WE MENTIONED THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE UPDATED OUR CITY CODE TO STATE THAT 25% OF, UH, HAMLETS DEVELOPMENT AREA NEEDS TO BE PARKLAND OPENS BUT PARKLAND IT OPEN SPACE TO COMBINE NUMBER SO THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE

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IT'S LIKE, OH, THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE LIVED ALONG. SO THAT WAY, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GETTING PARKED IN AN OPEN SPACE WITH ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT. NOT JUST WANT TO SUBDIVISION IS BEING REQUESTED. SO THE ONE THING OR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IN 11 65 AS WE TRIED TO CONTEMPLATE SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPEN SPACE AMENITIES THAT MAY BE PROVIDED IN THE HAMLET THAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE. THE LANGUAGE IS PRETTY GENERAL, BUT WE WANT TO CAPTURE THINGS LIKE COURTYARDS THAT COULD BE A MONETIZED PLAZAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS COUNT TOWARDS PARKLAND UP IN SPACE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THEY INTENDED THAT THOSE THINGS WOULD BE MONETIZED FOR PUBLIC USE. THE LAST SECTION THEY WILL TALK ABOUT, AS WE DID UPDATE VERY SIMPLE TO SENTENCE, I THINK UPDATE TO THE NEW ALBANY D. G. R S, WHICH IS SECTION FIVE RESIDENTIAL OUTSIDE OF VILLAGE CENTER. SO WE JUST PUT CLARITY IN THERE THAT THE MULTI FAMILY REQUIREMENTS. FOR RESIDENTIAL AT THE VILLAGE CENTER. THOSE REQUIREMENTS EXIST TODAY. AND THAT SECTION OF THE G D. R S. WE WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT THAT APPLIES TO ALL NON SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON IT. THAT THE THESE REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY TO THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. UM AND WITH THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO, UH, OPENED UP FOR DISCUSSION. THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UM PLENTY COMMISSION MEMBERS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. I HAD SOME SO DO WE HAVE MATH ON UM SO THE GROSS DENSITY OF HOW GROWING UNITS CANNOT ACTUALLY 60 ACRES. SIX UNITS. OKAY, SO, UM. GIVEN THAT IN A 25 75 SPLIT ON OPEN SPACE THAT WE NEED 25% OPEN SPACE. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKLAND? BUILT IN. I THINK, YOU KNOW. THAT WOULD NEED TO BE EVALUATED AS PART OF A REZONING PROCESS AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. BUT SPEAKING TOWARDS THE TEST FIT THAT WE DID YES. OKAY. UM, IS IT AN EASY FIT? FOR THE TEST NET. YES. OKAY, SO ALL RIGHT, UM THE REASON BEING THAT IF THIS DOES WIND UP AS CODE THAT'S ONE OF THE STANDARD. CONFLICT POINTS WITH DEVELOPMENT IS WHERE DO I PUT MY PARKLAND? BECAUSE PARKLAND IS NOT TERRIBLY DOES NOT MONETIZE. WELL, UM, COMPARED TO YOUR DWELLING UNITS, AND IT'S OFTEN IT'S NOT OFTEN IT'S OCCASIONALLY OFFSITE IN ANOTHER PLACE AND THIS LIVES AND DIES ON TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THE VIABILITY OF THE WHOLE HUMAN ON THERE BEING ENOUGH PARKLAND. THERE. IS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WALK TOO SURE, AND I THINK YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S SANATH LOOKS GOOD. UM. I HAVE A CONCEPTUALIST QUESTION ALONG THAT ALONG LINES OF HAMLETS IN GENERAL. TOM. WHAT DOES THIS DO THAT ARE DOWNTOWN. EITHER DOESN'T DO OR SHOULD BE DOING. IS THIS WHAT WE WANTED OUR DOWNTOWN TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FIRST PLACE IF WE HAD A CLEAN SHOT AT DOWNTOWN PILOT JEFF HUNGER IN A SENSE OF THAT EVENING, EVERYONE I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER MARKET SQUARE, THERE'S A CRITICAL MASS THERE. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DENSITY. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. WHAT WE'VE TEST FITTED ON THIS SITE IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN. SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES IT DO TO YOU KNOW THE AREA THAT WE'RE STANDING IN RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK IT IMPACTS IT A WHOLE LOT. DOES ANYONE RESTAURANT COMPETE AGAINST ANOTHER? SURE BUT, UM, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SIZED OR SCALED NEIGHBORHOODS IF YOU WILL. THAT. ARMS STARTING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THAT'S ANOTHER. THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER ISSUE, WHICH WAS ONE OF MY OTHER

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BUILD A BUILDING THE I'M SORRY. DOING THIS FAR TOO LONG. IF YOU LOOK AT STARBUCKS AND THEN THERE'S A MEDICAL BUILDING NEXT TO STARBUCKS. AND THEN YOU DO THE SYMMETRIC THING. YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN AND YOU'VE GOT THE BUCKET AND THERE'S A GREEN SPACE , I WOULD SAY. THE SCALES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S ROOM FOR DUNCAN DONUTS ON THE TRUST COURSE SITE, THERE MIGHT BE ROOM FOR DUNKIN DONUTS. OR SOMETHING LIKE IT. IN THE HAMLETS. I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO ARE THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY APPLES AND APPLES. I WAS SORT OF LOOKING AT DO WE HAVE SORRY.

HAVE WE RUN OUT OF GOOD SPOTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY NOT. WE HAVEN'T GONE DOWN MARKET. STILL GOOD SITES LEFT DOWNTOWN, OKAY? UM AND SHOULD THOSE BE PRIORITIZED? FIRST IS THE PLANNING QUESTION. THAT MAYBE IT'S YOUR COUNSEL IS THAT THIS COULD BE DEEMED A GOOD IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS NOT YET COME. I GUESS IF YOU DON'T MIND TO MY POINT OF VIEW WHAT THAT YOU KNOW, THE HAMLET CONCEPT AROSE OUT OF THE ENGAGED NEW, OBVIOUS STRATEGIC PLAN. AND AS A SLIDE CENTER SHOW THIS DESIRE POTENTIALLY TO HAVE MORE AMENITIES CLOSER TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO TO ME, I SEE THIS LOCATION AT THAT INTERSECTION LIKE JEFF SAID.

IT'S A SMALLER SCALE. THEN THE VILLAGE CENTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME CRITICAL MASS, UM AND IT'S TO ME IT'S MORE LIKE A TRANSITION BETWEEN MAYBE THE PURE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO THE NORTH OF THAT LOCATION AND THE DENSER AREAS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO IT'S KIND OF A BRIDGE BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IN SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO WALK TO. BUT IT'S NOT AT A CRITICAL MASS TO COMPETE WITH THE VILLAGE CENTER. BUT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW THE TIMING QUESTION MAYBE IS A MORE OF A THINK WE'RE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ALL THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT MORE OF A COUNCIL QUESTION AS WELL. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE WERE GIVEN THE CHARGE FROM CITY COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT CAN PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK OR A TOOL FOR YOU GUYS TO USE FOR COUNSEL TO USE. IN CASE THERE IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. SO IN THAT SENSE, I THINK THE TIMING IS RIGHT, BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER BE AHEAD OF THAT WITH THIS VERY, YOU KNOW. THIS EXERCISE THAT THE PLANNING TEAM WENT THROUGH WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL, YOU KNOW, VERY COMFORTABLE PLACE TO LIVE VERY COMPREHENSIVE, AND IT WASN'T JUST WHAT LOOK AT OTHER PEOPLE'S CODES. AND YOU KNOW, IN WORDS, WHAT WHAT STANDARDS DO THEY USE IT? WAS THIS TEST FIT OF SCENARIOS TO REALLY COME UP WITH ? WHAT DO WE THINK IS GOING TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS AND ALLOW US TO DO WHAT COUNSEL ASKED US TO DO, WHICH HAS COME UP WITH THESE STANDARDS? SO EVERYONE IS PREPARED IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THIS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL COME THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE WERE NOT TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THEIR SHUTTERS SHOULDN'T BE A HAMLET BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A FRAMEWORK THAT WILL ALLOW EVERYONE TO EVALUATE IT. YOU SAID. MAYBE I'M NOT SURE IN THIS, BUT YOU SAID HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING TO THE NORTH. AH I DON'T KNOW IF I IF I SAID IT HIGHER DENSITY THAT WAS A MISTAKE. MORE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY DISCOVER CURTIS TO THE NORTH OF THIS, I'M THINKING. TO THE NORTHEAST WITH THE LINK SUBDIVISION. SORRY, THAT'S GOOD CLARIFICATION.

BEYOND. SO WE'VE GOT THAT IT'S SMALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE DOWNTOWN. IT'S TRYING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY? IS IT TOO SMALL? OR IS IT THE FACT THAT IT'S PART OF A BIGGER CITY? SAVE IT FROM, UM THE THOUGHT THAT WENT THROUGH MY HEAD DURING THE THERE WAS THE VILLAGE OF BRYCE, WHICH IS TOO SMALL TO SURVIVE. OKAY IS THE HAMLET ON THE SIZE OF LAND. WE'VE SHOWN BIG ENOUGH TO BE VIABLE. THE OTHER, JEFF FOLLOW UP, I THINK FROM FROM OUR STANDPOINT AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WHEN YOU YOU GUYS ASKED FOR THAT WALK, SHED ANALYSIS AT YOUR LAST MEETING AND THE NUMBERS THAT IT SHOWS. BECAUSE THIS LOCATION ISN'T JUST A TRANSITION FROM KIND OF SELF NORTH FROM THE VILLAGE CENTER TO THE LAKES. IT'S ALSO IF YOU THINK EAST TO WEST AND THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN COLUMBUS AND THE DENSITY THAT IS THERE AND WHAT IS IN NEW ALBANY TO THE EAST. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I THINK IT DOES CAPTURE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S SURROUNDING IT THAT YOU

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ORIGINALLY OR BACK IN THE DAY. THE COMMITTEE. TRANSPORT IS THAT RIGHT? BUT SOMEONE CAME IN AND THEY SAID, HEY, THERE'S MORE DEMAND THAT WE NEED TO FILL. WE WANT TO MOVE MORE ALLOW FOR MORE RETAIL TYPE USES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. WHICH AGAIN GETS EVALUATED BY YOU GUYS AND YOU SAY, HEY, THE STRATEGIC PLAN MAY SAY ONE THING, BUT DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THIS DISTRICT TO ANOTHER RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE. I THINK THAT THAT SAME LINE OF THOUGHT OR THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS OKAY, BECAUSE SITTING ON THIS SIDE OF THE DIOCESE. OH THEN THE NEXT DEVELOPER COMES BY NEXT DOOR. AND WANTS TO PIGGYBACK ON THE SUCCESS AND CHANGE THE CHARACTER OR GROW IT BEYOND WHAT WE THOUGHT IT OUGHT TO BE. YEAH WE HAVE THE TOOLS TO MAKE THAT HOPEFULLY THIS STRATEGIC PLAN RIGHT FRAMEWORK THAT WERE YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW THIS THAT THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW CAN HELP PROTECT THIS THING FROM OF ALL. YEAH AND I UNDESIRABLE WAY, RIGHT? HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT FRAME. YES.

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WE WILL, WE WOULD WE THINK THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED FOR THIS SITE OR FOR THIS AREA, UM, WILL ALSO APPLY THERE. WHEN I START THERE MIGHT NOT START WITHOUT FREQUENT. THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, TOO IS, YOU KNOW THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TEST FIT THAT WE DID AND THE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE DOING SO WE TOOK THE STANDARDS ARE WE DEVELOP THESE STANDARDS IN THE TEST? TO MAKE SURE HEY, ARE WE DOING THIS RIGHT? IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO WORK AND WE USE THIS SITE TO TEST THE STANDARDS IS NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT SOMEONE HAS TO PUT A HAM ON HERE IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND YOU KNOW THIS PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW THE GOES AWAY AND SOMEONE DISCOVERY SITE ABOUT A HAM UP THERE, AND IT'S AT ONE OF THE CORNERS THAT YOU'VE THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED. WE THINK THE STANDARD WOULD STILL APPLY. WE JUST TEST FIT THEM ON THE SITE TO ILLUSTRATE, YOU KNOW TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT. SO SO, CHRIS, LOOKING AT THE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, HOW WOULD SOMEBODY KNOW? LOOKING HOW WOULD SOMEBODY KNOW WHERE THEY COULD PUT A HAMLET? SO I THINK. IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF A FEW THINGS.

TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO TO WITH FOCUS IS, YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE'S GONNA PROPOSE ANYTHING, ANYONE OF ANY, WHETHER IT'S MCDONALD'S OR CAR WASH. WE'RE TALKING TO THE MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE KIND OF CARVED OUT FOR RETAIL, OR WE'VE LOOKED POTENTIALLY ADDING THE EXCUSE, SO I THINK THAT THEY WOULD, IN ADDITION TO THE STANDARDS, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS IN OUR NORTH. WEST FOCUS AREA PLAN TO SEE. OKAY. WHERE DOES THE CITY SEE THIS TYPE OF USE, PLUGGING IN AND MAYBE BEING APPROPRIATE. THEN YOU GO TO THE STANDARD. SORRY, UM AND SEE HOW THEY COULD WORK OUT. I DO NOT WANT PROPOSAL. SO ARE THERE PLACES BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A I'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE PLANET LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL ONE, WHICH IS A FALSE AND I THINK THIS IS MAYBE WHAT MR LARSON IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WITH THIS, LIKE, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL REQUEST TO BE VOTED UP THROUGH CITY COUNCIL FOR THE GEOGRAPHIC SCOPE OF THIS PLAN? IS IT THE BALLS? I AREA AROUND THAT, OR IS IT JUST THAT PROPOSED SITE BECAUSE READING THIS IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S

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THE FOCUS AND THE CONTENT OF THIS FRAMEWORK THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO EVALUATE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND THEN TRANSLATE THAT DOWN INTO THE CODE STANDARDS, THEN THAT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO ANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. IS WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA REALLY WAS. IT'S A COMMON PREP PRACTICE AND PLANNING TO KIND OF LOOK AT A CASE STUDY OPPORTUNITY AND DESIGN THAT TO BACK INTO YOUR WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE STANDARD FROM A USE? SCALE HEIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE RESIDENTIAL MIX FROM LIKE SMALL OFFICE TO RESIDENTIAL TO OFFICE TO, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USES, AND THEN THAT OPEN SPACE SO THAT MORE WAS LIKE A TEST FIT EXAMPLE THAT THEN ALLOWED US TO KIND OF BACK INTO THE STANDARDS, WHICH IS THE FOCUS OF THE MATERIAL TONIGHT. SO GENERALLY MY DESIGNING AND WE BASICALLY SAY THIS AREA WOULD BE AN X STANDARDS, RIGHT? SO WHY WOULDN'T WE DEFINE OFF WORK FOREIGNERS AS POTENTIAL HAMLET SITES, SO THERE'S SO THERE'S THIS IT DOES GET COMPLICATED, SO ZONING IS VERY PARTIAL SPECIFIC.

BECAUSE YOU ARE HAVING YOU KNOW , ENTITLEMENTS RIGHTS TO LAND USE RIGHTS ON A CERTAIN PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SOMEONE OWNS. FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE BROAD OF AN UMBRELLA. AND SO THOSE ARE YOU CAN FIND. YOU KNOW? LIKE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL YET WITHIN A ZONING MAP OR A ZONING CODE, YOU'LL HAVE YOU MAY HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL AND YOU SO IN DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICTS. THAT ON A STRATEGIC PLANNER, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS JUST A BROAD RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY. SO IT'S KIND OF THINKING ABOUT KIND OF GOING FROM THE HIGHEST LEVEL DRILLING DOWN TO THE MORE DETAILED TECHNICAL STANDARDS. YES I'M I'M CURIOUS. WHAT CITY COUNCIL. I'D LOVE TO HEAR A CITY COUNCILS POINT OF VIEW ON THIS. IF THEY THINK IT'S LIKE THE INTERSECTION, OR DO THEY THINK IT'S A SPECIFIC BECAUSE THE WAY IT SHOWS WHEN YOU PUT A SPECIFIC PLAN IN THERE GET IMPLIES THE PAST HIM. YEAH YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, UM BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, BUT IT LOOKS THAT WAY. BUT SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS ONE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VISUAL LIKE WE'RE VISUAL PEOPLE, TOO, AND SO SOMETIMES CODE ISN'T THE MOST. SORRY FOR THE LAWYERS. BUT YOU KNOW, WORDS AREN'T THE MOST EASILY TRANSLATABLE THING TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT . USUALLY SO A VISUAL, UM, APPROACH TO IT USUALLY WORKS. BUT IT ALSO IS A WAY TO DEVELOP THOSE STANDARDS BECAUSE WHAT JEFF AND HIS TEAM IS ABLE TO IS YOU KNOW, DO SIX DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF THE SITE PLAN AND COMBINATION OF BUILDINGS AND SEE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK . AND THEN THAT ALLOWS US TO KIND OF EXTRAPOLATE WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE. UM BASED ON WHAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR NEW ALBANY ON ALL OUR PLANNING HISTORY. UM SO IT IS. IT DOESN'T LOOK I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. THAT WAS AN EXERCISE THAT WE DID TO ALLOW US TO GET TO STANDARDS. UM SO YOU CAN EVALUATE WHAT ANY LANDOWNER MAY COME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT IS THE DISCOVERY SITE AND THERE'S A NEW OWNER, AND THEY'RE LIKE WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DEVELOP IN THIS WAY. NOW WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK IN ORDER TO AND THAT MAY BE TOO BIG RIGHT? AND WE MAY SAY NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS WAS. BUT NOW WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS THAT WE CAN EVALUATE IT BASED UPON AND EVALUATION COULD BE DONE OUTSIDE OF THE AMENDMENT, RIGHT, BUT THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT SHOWS A SPECIFIC AREA. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT AND IT COULD NOT SHOW A SPECIFIC AREA. THE WORDS ARE WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS LOCATION IN THIS IN THIS DOCUMENT HERE, SO THE VISUALS ARE THERE, TOO. TO GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT

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OUT OF A LONG AGO WAS WHEN THIS WAS INTRODUCED. I DON'T FEEL LIKE AND I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS THAT MUCH DIFFERENT, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO AGREE TO A PLAN THAT'S 6 TO 1. DENSITY. AND ONLY 25% PARK SPACE. ONCE WE AGREE TO THAT.

THAT'S A NEW STANDARD THAT ANY DEVELOPERS GOING TO HOMELESS? SO FOR NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT KIND OF DENSITY YOU WERE MAKING DECISION TONIGHT. THAT'S IF YOU'RE WELL IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS I DON'T THE SICK THE DENSITY THIS SAYING THAT RATE 66 UNITS TO ONE YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. I MEAN, WE HAVE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CHATTED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME WE HAVE SURPASSED THAT A FEW TIMES IN TOWN. SIGNIFICANTLY BUT THE PUBLIC PUSHBACK WITH SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WEAR CITY COUNCIL. DID NOT APPROVE IT, RIGHT. I THINK I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS EXACT SAME ALLEY. SO TWO THINGS I WOULD SAY TO THAT ONE IS FROM I. FROM THIS EXERCISE.

WE THINK SIX UNITS PER ACRE IS REALLY THE MINIMUM DENSITY THAT WILL ALLOW. A PROJECT THEY HAVE ENOUGH CRITICAL MASS TO SUPPORT THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD, AND MAYBE IT. MAYBE IT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE, BUT TO SUPPORT THOSE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT DO YOU THINK OF LIKE SUBURBAN CENTRAL OHIO AND SUBURBS THAT HAVE TRIED TO INTRODUCE KIND OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND ONES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL? BRIDGE PARK HAS IT'S PRETTY SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT'S PRETTY BIG AND ITS PLANNED A BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ALONG WITH THE RESTAURANTS AND THE RETAIL SPACES. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT A BRIDGE PARK SCALE TYPE, YOU KNOW, FRAMEWORK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, BUT THERE IS A REALITY TO ENOUGH CRITICAL MASS TO GET THESE SORTS OF USES. UM THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY THAT THAT MAYBE DIDN'T TELL ME IF IT DOESN'T HIT THE MARK, WHERE WITH WHERE YOU WERE GOING. AND WHETHER THE STANDARDS ARE RIGHT OR NOT, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IN THAT FEEDBACK. I WOULD MAINTAIN AS A PLANNER. IT'S OUR PROFESSIONAL OBLIGATION TO GIVE YOU STANDARDS TO EVALUATE SOMETHING ON BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAPPEN IS A DEVELOPMENT YOU KNOW AT LANDOWNER HAS DUE PROCESS TO SUBMIT A REZONING APPLICATION AND IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS AND AGAIN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TOOLS TO USE IN ORDER TO THIS COLD, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK, WHETHER WHETHER THESE ARE RIGHT OR NOT. FLOOR. FOR WHAT? YOU GUYS THINK WHAT CITY COUNCIL THINKS I THINK THE RIGHT THING. IS TO HAVE SOME STANDARDS IN PLACE SO YOU GUYS CAN DO YOU KNOW YOU YOU CAN DO A FAIR JOB AND EVALUATING A FUTURE PROPOSAL WITH 100. I AGREE THERE SHOULD BE STANDARDS, BUT AGAIN. THE THING I'M WRESTLING WITH THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US TWO WEEKS AGO . NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. UNDERSTAND IT? I TRULY DON'T KNOW. IF THAT'S THE RIGHT STANDARD. IF THAT'S WHY RESIDENTS OF PROBABLY WANT ME THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY ENOUGH PUSHBACK BEFORE THAT. IT CAN'T SEEM LIKE THEY CITIZENS SPOKE. AGAIN. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING YOURSELVES RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME POSITION AND LET ME MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS THIS WHOLE CONCEPT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THERE WAS INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY. IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THE I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST SLIDES WAS WAS THE SLIDE THAT SAID PEOPLE IN ALBANY SAID THEY WANTED RESTAURANTS AND WANTED WALK ABILITY, AND THEY WANTED THESE TYPES OF THINGS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MEETS THOSE TYPES OF NEEDS. THE HAMLET CONCERT. AND SO WE THIS BOARD. GOTTA HANDLE IT PROPOSAL LAST FALL, AND WE VOTED ON IT AND THEN WENT TO COUNSELOR WENT DOWN MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I'M NOT AN

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THAT IS A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING AND THAT KIND OF VERY ACCURATE. UM PORTRAYAL, ACCOUNTING OF THE EVOLUTION OF IT, AND I THINK THE LAST PIECE THAT WILL JUST REITERATE IS AFTER THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT REZONING UM DID NOT PASS CITY COUNCIL. PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF STANDARDS THAT WAS ONE CITY COUNCIL AS STAFF TO THEN GO BACK IN CRETE, YOU KNOW STANDARDS THAT FROM A STRATEGIC PLAN LEVEL DOWN TO CODE THAT COULD BE APPLIED IN THE FUTURE. IF THERE WERE ANOTHER PROPOSAL BEFORE I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER CUSTOM QUESTION FOR CHRIS CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AND I THINK THIS IS TRUE. THAT JUST BY PUTTING STANDARDS IN PLACE DOESN'T MEAN THAT A HAMLET IS GOING TO GO IN AT THE CORNER OF CENTRAL COLLEGE. AND 605, RIGHT. IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH A PLAN THAT WE WILL EVALUATE IT AGAINST THE CRITERION EFFECT, SOMEBODY ANOTHER DEVELOPER COULD COME IN FOR SOME HOMES THAT RESIDENTS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, I PRESUME.

RIGHT IT MAY NOT FIT THE STRATEGIC PLAN EXACTLY, BUT WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT ANOTHER DEVELOPER COULD COME IN WITH ANOTHER DATA CENTER AND WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT AS TO WHETHER THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN MET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL, RIGHT? IF WE IF WE APPROVE STANDARDS FOR REVIEWING HAMLETS TONIGHT, CORRECT. ARE WE ABLE TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL? YOU HAD MENTIONED RECENTLY VOTED IT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE STANDARDS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS THE ONLY CASE ARE WE ALLOWED TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL? BIGGEST REASONS. I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL IN THAT VOTE WITH MADE. UM I WAS DEFINITELY AT THE MEETING, THOUGH. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'D BE HAPPY. I MEAN, WE COULD PROVIDE MINUTES. I MEAN, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE ALL OF THAT DOCUMENTATION, I WOULDN'T WANT IT. TELL ME IF I'M OFF BASE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO RELY ON MY MEMORY OR KIND OF RECOLLECT. UM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN MONTHS HAVE PASSED, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE THOSE RECORDS THAT YOU COULD SEE WHAT THOSE WERE. YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE APPROACH WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THE MINUTES SINCE IT WAS A VOTE OF FOUR COUNCIL TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY IN COUNCIL SAID. IT'S READ WHAT THEY SAID AS OPPOSED TO TRY TO RECOLLECT WHAT HAPPENED OR TAKE ONE PERSON'S TAKE ON IT. THE BETTER APPROACH WOULD BE TO GRAB THOSE MINUTES. READ WHAT HAPPENED? READ WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS. AND GO FROM THERE. THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE BE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. Q. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO, UM, SO IN THE PRESENTATION WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING COURTYARDS INTO AMENITIES AND THEY WOULD COUNT ON THE OPEN SPACE. UM THAT THE STANDARDS ALLOW US TO DECLINE A COURTYARD AS OPEN SPACE. IF IT'S NOT PROBABLY. YEAH IF IT'S NOT PUBLIC, IF IT'S NOT DEDICATED PUBLICLY IN TERMS OF A TECHNICAL ANALYSIS, IT WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS APARTMENT IN OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THIS WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE LINKS. WE BACK AND LOOK AROUND IT. LIKE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. THERE WAS HERE WHEN THE LINKS GOT VOTED ON WAS THAT TO MEET THERE? DENSITY THAT PUT A GOLF COURSE AND THE LINKS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT TO START. AND TO MEET THEIR OPEN SPACE CALLED THE GOLF COURSE. OPEN SPACE EXCEPT THE FACT THAT RESIDENTS ARE ALLOWED TO JUST GO WALKING AROUND ON THE GOLF COURSE. AND SO I THINK THAT

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WE'VE LEARNED A LOT. SIMPSON THEN IT SO THE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF OPEN SPACE AT ALL PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, DEDICATED OPEN SPACE. IT REALLY WASN'T ATTEMPT TO OUR CURRENT WHERE ARE OPEN SPACE STANDARDS LIVE. NOW IT'S JUST TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THE TYPES OF OPEN SPACES AND PARKLAND THAT YOU WOULD IMAGINE WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CAPTURING AT LEAST OTHER WHETHER IT'S A PLAZA OR COURTYARD OR LIKE AN OPEN GREEN. AS LONG AS IT'S PUBLICLY DEDICATED AND ACCESSIBLE THAT IT COULD COUNT.

I WANT TO BE ABLE IF I HEAR ONE OF THESE TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT'S PUBLIC OR IT DOESN'T COUNT ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CRITICAL NUMBERS TO MEET. MM HMM. THAT IS STANDARD PRACTICE. I DON'T MIND.

THING I DIDN'T NEED TO REITERATE . BUT WHEN WE WHEN WE HAVE THIS , UM, SAME CONDITION IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, CITIES OR STATES , THAT IS, IN FACT THE CASE IF IT'S NOT PUBLICLY PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING OKAY. AND MAYBE THIS IS A KIND OF WORMS. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH EVANS FARMS? YEAH. OKAY, UM WELL ENOUGH TO DO ANY COMPARED CONTRAST. UM. AND SAY, WHY MORE RESIDENTIAL YEAH. I THINK WAIT PATTERNS UNTESTED. OUR INFORMANT. THING THEY WANT. THAN WE DO. YES. MIKE FREESTYLING. OKAY ALRIGHT, SCALE IS DIFFERENT APPLY HERE. A LOT MORE HOUSING.

CERTAINLY. YEAH DEVELOPMENT PLANNING ATTRIBUTES. A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. MAYBE. SO I JUST HAVE TWO QUICK ONES. UM CHRIS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CONCEPTUAL SLIDE? THIS ONE OR THAT ONE. THANKS SO JUST TO CONFIRM WHEN WE SAW THIS. TWO WEEKS AGO. THIS SECTION. OVER HERE WAS INCLUDED. CORRECT YES, NOTHING HAS CHANGED ON THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. AND THEN SECOND QUESTION I THINK IS MORE FOR STAFF IS JUST LIKE A PROCESS QUESTIONS SO IF WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, AND IT GETS APPROVED WHAT HAPPENS NEXT GOES TO COUNSEL. YEAH YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THEY TAKE FINAL ACTION, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. YOU KNOW IF IT GETS INCORPORATED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN UM, THAT WOULD BE DONE BY COUNSEL. AND. FORGIVE ME. THIS IS PROBABLY A REALLY SILLY QUESTION. CAN THEY MAKE CHANGES TO WHAT WE DO TONIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO I'M GLAD I'VE GOT TO SORT. I'M GOING TO TURN OVER THE PUBLIC'S GONNA GO THEN THAT SOME QUESTIONS. I GOT A COUPLE OF GOING ON THE DENSITY KIND OF CONVERSATION AND LINCOLN AND LINKING IT TO THE LINKS. THAT CONVERSATION YOU TALKED ABOUT. TO THE DENSITY OF THE LINKS IS IF YOU LOOK AT FAMILY DENSITY IS UNDER 1 TO 1, WHICH MEETS THE CITY CRITERIA. IT'S WHAT YOU THROW IN THE 55. PLUS, IT GOES OVER THE 1 TO 1.

SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS, WE MAKE THE EMAIL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1 TO 6. WE MAKE THE 1 TO 1 FAMILY BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC PEOPLE ABOUT SCHOOL IMPACT. AND THEN WE MAKE IT A VARIANCE OF DEVELOPERS. SOMETHING WANTS TO GO OVER. THAT FAMILY DENSITY BUT LET THE REMAINING MATERIAL IS SIX OR TO LET ME TALK ABOUT BE AGED RESTRICTED, SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE SCHOOLS THAT'S THROWING THAT AFRICAN CITY THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY DEALT WITH INTER VARIANTS. AND WHEN YOU GET YOUR SPECIFIC PROCESS IF I'M. SO SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND I THINK AND IF I'M NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS, JUST TELL ME BUT, YOU KNOW AGAIN. WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENSITY OF 6 TO 1. COULD SOMEONE COME IN AND A DISTRICT 25% OF IT ? SURE COULD, UM, I THINK WE WOULD JUST FOR THESE STANDARDS. WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THE OVERALL 6 TO 1 IS BEING MAD.

AND THAT WE AGAIN TO REITERATE. WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S 6 TO 1 IS THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR CRITICAL MASS TO DEVELOP A HANDLER. WITH ALL THE ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS THAT WE THINK ARE

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YEAH, THANKS FOR CLAIRE. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. DOESN'T THAT GIVE SHORT SHRIFT TO THE IDEA OF AGING PLACE AND ALL AGES? YEAH I THINK I MEAN FROM A POLICY. YEAH, I THINK SO. THEN WE SHIFT FROM LIKE MORE TECHNICAL ZONING THINGS TO KIND OF IF A POLICY GO WITH THIS IS TO CREATE DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES THAT PEOPLE CAN AGE IN PLACE. I MEAN, IT DEPENDS LIKE THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER FANTASTIC PUBLIC DISCUSSION TO HAVE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASK DURING THE STRATEGIC PLAN, LIKE ARE THERE ENOUGH PLACES FOR PEOPLE? TO EITHER AGE IN PLACE AND STAY IN THE COMMUNITY OR FOR EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD WE HAD ONE OF OUR FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS, AND IT JUST SEEMED TO BE ALL PEOPLE THAT HAD KIDS THAT WERE JUST OUT OF COLLEGE AND INTO THEIR FIRST JOBS, AND THEY WANTED THEY THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS A NEED FOR HOUSING FOR THAT TYPE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT LEVEL OF SO THEIR KIDS COULD COME BACK AND LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE GREAT POLICY DISCUSSIONS . I THINK THAT WE DO GET OUT OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHY WE DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS SO WE CAN KIND OF GAUGE THE COMMUNITY AND SEE WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE BECAUSE IT IS THE PAIN POINT OF THIS WHOLE CONCEPT IS AND I WILL PARDON ME IF I'M CORRECTING YOU, BUT I DON'T WANT ON PAGE 18 SAYS THAT NOT TO EXCEED 60 YOU PER ACRE. AND YOU SAID THE WORD MINIMUM AT LEAST TWICE. SO I THINK MINIMUM IS SO WHEN WE ARE SITTING DOWN PLANNING TEAM AND THINKING WELL FROM HOW CAN YOU MAKE. HOW CAN A PROJECT WORK LIKE WHAT DO YOU NEED? IT'S SIX. I MEAN, WE THOUGHT SIX IS THE MINIMUM FROM, UH, VIABILITY STANDPOINT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THERE FROM RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT AND THEN ALSO THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE PLAYS INTO THAT TO HELP USERS THERE TO SUPPORT THE RETAIL IN THE RESTAURANTS. UM SO NOT WHEN WE'RE SAYING MINIMUM SIX. IT'S MORE FROM A VIABILITY STANDPOINT, NOT FROM A LIKE. DENSITY LIKE REQUIREMENT STANDPOINT. YEAH DEFINITELY BEING THE PAIN POINT AND WITH ONE OF OUR GOALS AS BEING A FULL LIFE CYCLE COMMUNITY. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE WHY ARE WE NOT HAVING THAT POLICY DISCUSSION HERE FOR THE STANDARDS BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND SAY, WHAT IS MY BAG OF TOOLS THAT I CAN USE TO STOP CHARGING DEVELOPER AND SAY NO. OKAY. MUST BE BILL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM THAT I'M BETTING THAT NOT WE'VE HEARD. YOU KNOW HOW MANY KIDS YOU 160 KIDS IN THE SCHOOLS YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING, PARAPHRASING ON THAT. AND IF WE DON'T ADDRESS IT IN THE STANDARDS WERE JUST KICKING THAT CONVERSATION DOWN THE ROAD, PAINFUL DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, I CAN. I CAN SAY THAT. I THINK THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. I DO THINK THERE ARE UM. THE REZONING PROCESS ADDRESSES THAT INTO SOME EXTENT.

MAYBE THAT IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THERE, SO IT'S NOT JUST YOU KNOW, A CALCULATION SIX TIMES ACREAGE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE YIELD IS GOING TO BE. IT'S A LITTLE MORE NUANCE TO THAT WHICH I THINK WE DO SEE IN THE MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS HAPPENED. IN TERMS OF WHAT THE ACTUAL YIELD OF STUDENTS ARE. AND SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT IT'S AT THAT REZONING LEVEL BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A FULLY BIG DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AT THAT TIME. WHERE YOU KNOW SOMEONE HAS UM. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A NUMBER

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GET SUED FOR ANYTHING. I GUESS I'D WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT BEFORE WE GOT TO THAT POINT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT IF IT'S BAKED INTO WHEN YOU BUY THIS PARTICULAR ZONING PACKAGE, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE TELL YOU YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS. AND THEN THEY KNOW WHEN THEY COME IN AND SAY I WANTED TO BE AN I P O D WITH THE HELMET STANDARD. THEY KNOW THEY'RE GETTING THIS AS A POTENTIAL PART OF IT. JUST LIKE ANOTHER, GETTING 25% OPEN SPACE AS PART OF THE DEAL. YEAH, WE'RE SAYING THIS PART OF THE HAVE A CONCEPT IS THAT IT'S IN THE CITY, RIGHT? ISN'T IT GETS ALL OF MY CYCLE LIFE CYCLE WE CAN CAN ENFORCE IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD SET UP THE FRAMEWORK THAT WAY. I THINK THAT THAT ALSO AND I GUESS MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, BUT I THINK THAT SET IT UP WITH THOSE PARAMETERS. UH I'M NOT SURE YOU COULD DO THAT, WITHOUT GETTING SUED AND HAVING PROBLEMS, IT WILL HAVE TO BE PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO VOLUNTEER WOULD HAVE TO VOLUNTEER. THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROFFER THAT AS PART OF THEIR REZONING. I DON'T THINK THAT WE NECESSARILY COULD MANDATE THAT.

UM BUT WE COULD DENY IT STRAIGHT ON ON SCHOOL IMPACT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FACTOR FOR CONSIDERATION, OKAY? BUT I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT AGAIN ON THE AGE THEY COULD PROPER BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD COMPEL IT IS SET UP. IT DOESN'T HAVE A KNOB WE CAN TURN WITH REGARD TO MEETING THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT. PARDON ME? WOULDN'T THAT BE A KNOB? THE AGE RESTRICTED PIECE WOULD BE SORT OF A NOVEL COULD TURN TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS IT'S A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE HEADING SIX TO THE ACRE. NO UNDERSTANDING RESTRICTED. I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY SCHOOL IMPACT SAYS NOT THAT MANY OR THE UNIT MIX I'M NT OPPOSED TO SIX TO THE ACRE. OKAY APARTMENTS ARE NINE TO THE ACRE , ALTHOUGH ZONING CODE HEAD OR NINE AS WHAT YOU DID DEPARTMENTS AND THAT'S WHY I MEAN THIS NUMBER WAS COMING. EXPERT OR EXPERTS CAME UP WITH HIS NUMBER BECAUSE I ANALYZED OTHER HAMLET. DEVELOPMENTS AND THIS IS SORT OF THE NUMBER THAT WORKS. SO IF WE GET THERE IF THEY IF THE DEVELOPER CAN GET THEIR THAN THEIR MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS ROOFTOPS NEXT TO RETAIL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. THE PURE DENSITY SCHOOL IMPACT IS A COMMUNITY ISSUE THAT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND THEN I WELL RIGHT NOW. OKAY ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T WE OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC? WE KEEP GOING. WELL IT'S ONLY 9 39 REPUBLICANS, SO, YES, BUT OF COURSE I'M NOT GOING TO CUT YOU JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORS AND ARE AWARE OF SO AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER. I CAN JUST KIND OF PUT IT OUT THERE FOR THOUGHT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMERCIAL RATIO 200 SQUARE FEET PER YEAR. THAT IF YOU'VE GOT UNITS AT HER FIVE, LET'S SAY 400 SQUARE FEET. YOUR 50. COMMERCIAL TO ONE BUT IF YOU'VE GOT ROOM 4000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE HOMES. NOW YOU'RE GONNA GET TO A 6% OR 5. RATIO I WOULD

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DOWN. WALNUT GROVE. EASTERN PARKWAY. I BELIEVE IT'S NOT. GOING ACROSS BALLPARK BETWEEN EAST KIND OF AROUND FROM THIS STUFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU. NEXT UM, PERSON WOULD BE, UM, TRICIA SAYS, AND WHEN I SAY IT RIGHT? NOT THAT I NEEDED TO NAME WAS MUCH EASIER. AND HOW ARE YOU? NEXT TIME I'M BRINGING WINE. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE CAR WASH. SO THOSE ARE MY TWO. UM SO I'M TRICIA SIGNORINI. I'M WITH NEW ALBANY LINKS. HOW MANY ASSOCIATION I'M THE PRESIDENT THERE AND HAVE BEEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I WAS VERY INVOLVED IN. NO, NO, BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME TO ME ASKING ME WHAT I KNEW ABOUT IT. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL IDENTITY THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. I THINK ALSO, THE PLAN WAS PROPOSED AS BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER. SO I THINK THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT THAT. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T THERE. I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF UM, FEELINGS OF MISTRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND WHO WE FELT SHOULD REPRESENT US AND THE DEVELOPER.

SO YEAH, THREE DIFFERENT SETS OF FOLKS WITH THREE DIFFERENT UM, AGENDAS, RIGHT? AND WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS, WE FELT LIKE THE QUESTIONS WEREN'T BEING ANSWERED AND I GO BACK TO THE LOCATION.

BRUCE WAS GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I SEE THE BULLET. POINT RIGHT? THE BULLET ON THERE AND I'M SEEING THE TAX AND EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE DISCOVERY BUILDING. SO THAT WILL CONCERN PEOPLE LIKE JUST GIVING YOU A HEADS UP IF THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY DEFINED AND LOCKED IN . THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR FIRST ISSUE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OTHER THOSE OTHER THREE CORNERS AND KNOW THAT THEY'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THESE APART THESE TWO SETS OF PARCELS, SO I THINK THE MORE OPEN AND HONEST WE CAN BE AND THE MORE TRANSPARENT WE CAN BE. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY WENT. THEY WERE THE ANSWERS WERE MORE LIKELY. WE'RE RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES. YOU DIDN'T REALLY GET THE ANSWER. YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GOT TO STUDY FROM SOMEWHERE FAR , FAR AWAY, LIKE IN CINCINNATI, OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SHOULD. I SAW A CASE STUDIES AND I THINK THERE WAS A CASE STUDY DONE FOR HAMLET THAT WAS LIKE 243 ACRES AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT APPLIES FOR THE 33 ACRE PIECE OF PARTS. SO THOSE THOUGHT AS A REALTOR, YOU WANT COPS LIKE YOU WANT TO CLOSE CAMPS. YOU WANT THINGS? REALLY NEAR YOU AND THINGS THAT HIT CLOSE TO HOME AND THAT HAVE THE SAME. THINGS WORKING FOR AGAINST THEM, AS YOU DO IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY. SO JUST LOOKING AT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SCHOOL NUMBERS, THAT SORT OF THING. HAVING THOSE MORE LOCALS IMPORTANT. UM SO I HAD A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS AND MY THOUGHTS ARE KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHAT I SAW TODAY WASN'T SO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WHAT WAS THERE A COUPLE OF MONDAYS AGO. IT'S KIND OF EXPECTING SOMETHING MORE DIFFERENT, I GUESS. UM WE'RE UPDATED, BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE'RE HEADING RIGHT DIRECTION. LOCATION WAS A BIG DEAL. UM I THINK THERE ARE AS IN PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THERE WILL BE, AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AROUND THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T HAVE A NUMBER. UM BUT WE WORRY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PORTER'S THAT AREN'T SOLID, RIGHT? AND WE WORRY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BUY OUT PARK SPACE OR TRADE PARK SPACE FOR SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO IF YOU TAKE HOW MUCH PER WORKSPACE CAN YOU TRADE RIGHT IF IT'S IN THE FINE PRINT THAT THEY CAN TRADE

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WHEN THE DEVELOPER ASKS TO BE IN LIEU OF, OR TRADE OR MOVE PARK SPACE THAT'S OPTIONAL ON OUR PART TO ACCEPT. YEAH THAT'S A DISCRETIONARY, UM. REQUEST SO IF THEY WANTED TO TRADE TO ADD MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THERE OR HAVE LEX PARK SPACE, I THINK THE WHOLE CELL FOR THE COMMUNITY IS. HEY, YOU CAN WALK TO AN ICE CREAM SHOP. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKS, THAT SORT OF THING. YOU START TAKING THOSE THINGS AWAY. AND WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? YOU KNOW IF WE DIDN'T IF WE WEREN'T ALL THESE PLANS THAT I'M SEEING THE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE DEVELOPER PUT OUT THERE. TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEVELOPERS ARE IN LINE TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE, BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET. RIGHT. WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING YOUR QUESTION OPTIONAL FOR THE VILLAGE TO ALBANY TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL TO TRADE AWAY PARK SPACE. WE CAN SIMPLY SAY YOU DON'T NEED A STANDARD DECLINED AND DECLINED FOR CAUSE. HAD THEY WOULD EAT AND THEN SMART DEVELOPER WILL SAY, I'LL FIND A WAY TO DO GET SOME PARK SPACING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT DECLINED BECAUSE I WANT TO BUILD THIS. GO AHEAD WITH THAT SOMETHING THAT WE BUILD IN. HE CAN'T DO THAT. OR IS THAT UP TO YOU GUYS WHEN WE GET TO THAT, SO I MEAN, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT THINGS I WOULD IN MY OPINION, IT ALREADY IS BUILDING BECAUSE OF YOU KNOW , WE DEFINE VERY CAREFULLY WHAT THE COMPONENTS OF A HAMLET ARE AND TO ME THIS WHILE IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD LIKE A BUILDING HEIGHTS. THIS. THE ALL OF THESE ARE ESSENTIAL BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T HIT THESE, THEN IT'S NOT A HAMLET DEVELOPMENT AND IT WOULDN'T THEN. IT MIGHT.

I MEAN, I'M NOT NOT THE RECOMMENDED ADVISORY BOARD BORDER THE DECISION MAKING BODY , BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T HIT THE MARK. AND THAT WOULD BE REASONS LIKE FACTORS FOR CONSIDERATION ON A DECISION THAT YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSIONER CITY COUNCIL COULD MAKE. SO THESE AREN'T JUST IN HERE, BECAUSE, UE A BUNCH OF STUFF LIKE REALLY, REALLY ARE CRITICAL, ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS TO ANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT MIGHT COME FORWARD , OKAY, AND THEN AS PART OF THE ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A RETIREMENT HOME OF SOME SORT AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD IN? THERE FITS PART OF THE PLAN, SO THAT'S I MEAN AGAIN. WE'RE AT THIS LAND. USE THAT MORE BROAD CATEGORIES. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO REZONING, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR. UM, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY. ONE OF THE REASONS YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE WHAT WAS PROPOSED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE AND THIS WAS OUR TEST SITE, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST A TEST FIT. BUT IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF AND A TEST SITE BECAUSE IT HAS A STREAM GOING THROUGH IT LIKE SO IT ALLOWED US TO EVALUATE ALL THESE FACTORS THAT THEN UM, YOU KNOW, BUILT LITTLE ALLOW US TO BUILD BUILD THESE STANDARDS AROUND THEM. AND SO THERE ARE SOME JUST THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE A 30 ACRE SITE WITH THE STREAM GOING THROUGH IT. THAT JUST. JEFF ALWAYS THINK SAYS THINGS WANT TO BE WHERE THEY WANT TO BE, AND IT'S A

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SO I'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. ALSO ONE POINT DURING THIS PROCESS, WE INVITED THE DEVELOPER TO NEW ALBANY LINKS. AND WITH 72 HOURS NOTICE . I THINK WE HAD 65 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ASKING ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS. SO AT ANY POINT IN THIS PROCESS WE OUR DOOR IS OPEN FOR YOU, OR CITY COUNCIL OR ANYBODY IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED AT SOME POINT, AND YOU WANT TO HERE WITH THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY VERSUS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR MEETINGS ARE SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, WE CAN TRY TO GET PEOPLE THERE. ON THEIR TIME ON THEIR TURF. YOU KNOW, IN A MORE INFORMAL SETTING AND REALLY HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY, AND YOU LEARN A LOT THAT WAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THOSE ARE THE TWO SPEAKER CARDS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? COME ON UP. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE 70 TO 67 TO ALBANY LINKS. ATTRITION. UM SO FIRST THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TODAY. WHAT IS IT? IT'S LATE ON A MONDAY NIGHT, SO I APPRECIATE IT COMING OUT. ONE OF THE THINGS BEACH FROM COMMUNITY ONE. I REALLY DIDN'T WANT BUNCH OF LIKE APARTMENTS LIKE NO. WE ASKED FOR, LIKE, HEY RESTAURANTS, BIKE SHOP STUDIO, RIGHT LIKE THAT'S LIKE GOING TO ANOTHER VERSION OF LIKE THE BAR. NINE. SORRY, BOSS. HOMES APART. UM AND A PARK LIKE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. WHAT WE GOT WAS HOW A DEVELOPER CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, RIGHT? PUT IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF APARTMENTS. SO THAT'S POINT. THAT'S POINT NUMBER NUMBER ONE.

I DO THINK THAT IF YOU THIS AS IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE COMMUNITY GET ALL IN THAT WAR AGAIN, JUST LIKE LAST TIME BECAUSE IT SEEMS VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE. WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS, THEN ASKED ABOUT SCHOOLS AND DENSITY AND THINGS PEOPLE ONLY LIKE WHAT'S DENSITY. IS 12 TO 1 A LOT OR A LITTLE 61 A LOT OF LITTLE LIKE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE. AND THEN THERE WERE QUESTIONS AROUND THOSE THINGS COMING UP AND THE STUDIES AND THE INFORMATION WAS DIVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER. AND WHAT CAME UP WAS LIKE IN THE MEETINGS. I THINK IT'S STEINER. TRUST ME. I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT MAKING MONEY LIKE THESE ARE THE NUMBERS EVEN TODAY. LIKE 6 TO 1. WHERE'S THE ANALYSIS? WHERE'S THE WORLD? LIKE IF I WOULD SHOW UP AT WORK AND SAY, WELL, 61 RIGHT NOW. DO YOU KNOW? WHY PROVE IT TO ME? HELMET SHOW ME THE ANALYSIS SHOWED ME THE SHOW ME THIS FRED. SHE SHOWED ME THAT WHAT'S A LOT? WE HEARD. I THINK WE HAVE TWO THINGS. IT'S LIKE ONE WORDS OF ALL THOSE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHER. THAT'S ONE JUSTIFICATION. I THINK THAT WAS ONE THING SO 61 IS NOT AS HIGH AS IT IS. THE OTHER ONE IS IT'S VIABLE. BIBLE TO WHO IS VIABLE FOR THE ALBERTA MAKE MONEY VIABLE. AND IS THAT IN ADDRESSED WHAT'S BEST. LIKE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAY, VIABLE 61 OF MY OTHER IMPORTANT THAT'S MUCH MORE TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPERS ALREADY PURCHASED LAND. RIGHT IN AN AREA.

CONNECTIVITY THAT COMMUNITY POTENTIALLY MAYBE EVEN ON THE BOARDS AND THINGS AND YOU KNOW WHO ARE RIGHT, AND I THINK THAT'S YOU USE A LOT OF THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE TYPES OF POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AND MAYBE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. SO THOSE WITH A FEW POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE. I APPRECIATE THE TIME. QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM AND FOR SK VIABILITY HERE IS VIABLE TO THE MERCHANTS. OR IS IT VIABLE TO THE DEVELOPER? WHEN WE SAY, BUT AS AS AN I'M PRESUMING, AND I WANT CLARITY THAT IT IS. THAT MEANS THIS IS A SELF SUSTAINING A FEW LITTLE CHUNK OF COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT MY ABILITY NEED NOT WE CAN SELL IT. YEAH, WE'RE LISTEN. WE'VE BEEN WORKING. 30 YEARS NOW, AND WE WOULDN'T BRING ANYTHING HERE THAT WE DIDN'T THINK. AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND I MEAN THAT YOU KNOW, WITH ALL SINCERITY. WE'RE NOT TRYING

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HAPPY TO SORT OF CONVERSE. WHAT WHAT? THE RETAIL AND THE AMENITIES ON SITE. YEAH. ARE A MIX OF RESIDENTS. AND SO WHAT? WE. 456. THAT'S WHERE THEY. UM, THIS MAY BE PRESUMPTUOUS OF ME.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SLIDE THE GUY A BUSINESS CARDS THAT YOU GO OVER THE NUMBERS? IN MORE DEPTH IF THAT'S OK OR OK, WHAT DIDN'T WANT TO, LIKE, BE AVAILABLE HOURS ON THE VILLAGES, TAB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT AT LEAST A LITTLE. UH BUT NO. YOU'RE REMOVE THE FEAR.

UNCERTAINTY DOUBT. THANKS THANKS FOR THAT, UM, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS. TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. I KNOW THIS IS OBVIOUSLY PRELIMINARY. BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO GET THE POLICE AND FIRE INVOLVED WITH THIS POINT? OPINIONS. NO I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT, CERTAINLY AT THE REZONING, UM AND ALSO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW YOU GUYS WILL SEE THOSE TURNING RADIUS IS ON THE FRONT. FDP S AND THAT'S TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE. UM RESCUE VEHICLES AND FIRE VEHICLES CAN NAVIGATE THROUGH A SITE PLAN AND THEN SECONDLY, BACK BACK TO THE WHOLE TOPIC OF SCHOOLS IN MY CORRECT IN HEARING THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT BEFORE ANYTHING FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD COME THROUGH FROM THE FROM AN ACTUAL DEVELOPER. IF THERE WAS A HIGH IMPACT IN A NEGATIVE WAY ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE GROUNDS TO TWO YEARS. IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A CONSIDERATION THAT COULD GIVE YOU REASON TO DISPROVE SOMETHING. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A FACT OF YOU CONSIDER ABSOLUTELY I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO I KNOW TRAFFIC HAPPENS AT THE ZONING AND I HEARD CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC TONIGHT. AS WE THINK ABOUT THE STANDARDS AND NOT KNOWING GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE THIS IS. IF THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON AN INTERSECTION, WOULD WE ESTABLISH SETBACKS THAT WOULD ENABLE A ROUNDABOUT SHOULD THAT IN THE FUTURE BE REQUIRED DUE TO THE INCREASED DENSITY. HAS THAT BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THAT DOCUMENT. I MEAN, SO WE HAVE WE'VE KIND OF ALWAYS HAD ALWAYS BUT MORE RECENTLY HAD THIS ROUNDABOUT FIRST POLICY FOR THE CITY. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY TYPE OF INTERSECTION, APPROVE IT. IMPROVEMENT WHETHER IT'S ONE THAT THE CITY IS DOING OR ONE THAT IS YOU KNOW, NECESSITATED BY COMMERCIAL ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ROUNDABOUT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED . THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS, UM. THE APPROPRIATE CHOICE FOR AN INTERSECTION DESIGN JUST BASED ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS. UM BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT IS AGAIN WHEN YOU HAVE THE REZONING IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN INFORMATION, YOU HAVE ENOUGH DETAIL. TO HAVE IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY TO HAVE A GENERATION OF WHAT THE IMPACT THAT 80 THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS WOULD BE ON THOSE STREETS. AND THEN THAT COULD LEAD YOU INTO DECISIONS ON WHAT THE CORRECT INTERSECTION. SHOULD LOOK LIKE TO SERVE THAT DEVELOPMENT. THAT'D BE THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT. YES ABSOLUTELY. WOULD WE NEED PERMISSION TO PUT AROUND ABOUT 605? YOU KNOW, IT'S A YEAH, I THINK WE WOULD. UM CERTAINLY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT

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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT STAFF LOOKING FOR IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE YOU. CAN WE CAN WE DO A SINGLE MOTION TO DO ALL THREE AT ONCE? THEY'RE IN THE PACKAGE. THEY ARE PACKAGED RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T OR DO WE NEED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE VOTE ONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT GETS A LITTLE CRAZY FAIR. THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF WE COULD DO THEM ALL TOGETHER. YEAH I THINK IF YOU DO IT AS THE PACKAGE AND ADDRESS IT THAT WAY, I THINK THAT'S FINE. THAT WAY YOU AVOID THE SITUATION, THE MR KIRBY SUGGESTING WHERE YOU MAY RUN INTO SOME WEIRD WEIRD RESULTS. SO DO I HEAR A MOTION TO, UM, COUNCIL? LET'S GET SOME VOTES DONE. I'M MOVE FOR APPROVAL. THE THREE ITEMS ARE OTHER BUSINESS. IT'S NOT A CONDITION, BUT IT IS A REQUEST TO COUNSEL TO CONSIDER UPDATING THIS, TOO. HAVE LANGUAGE ABOUT AGE RESTRICTION OR UNIT BALANCE AS PART OF THE DEAL. BOMB AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF IS THAT REASONABLY CLEAR AS EMOTION? YES. I'LL SECOND THAT. THE ONLY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. WERE THE. ONE MR HARVEY ? YES, MR WALLACE? YES, MR SHELL. I ALWAYS SAY YES. THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS ONE. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK EM CASCADES DONE. AND AT SOME POINT I'M NOT SURE THAT 6 TO 1 NUMBER IS CORRECT AGAIN. AT SOME POINT, I HAVE TO RELY ON THE EXPERTS AND KNOW ABOUT A LOT. BUT I FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN IT'S GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. SAYING THAT. MS BREAKS. YES THIS IS A MOTION FOR THE DOCUMENTS OR APPROVAL. GOOD CATCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN DO THE DOCUMENTS HERE. NOW WE VOTE ON THE MOTION AND THEN PUT THE DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD.

MR LARSON? NO. IS THAT A NO? YOU'LL NEED A REASON AS TO WHY YOU'RE SAYING NO DOCUMENTS IS BECAUSE I INTERPRETING THIS APPROVAL TO MOVE UP. THIS WHOLE PACKAGE ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY CORRECT. I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE WORKED THROUGH. AND DEFINE CORRECTLY THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA. THIS. IN FACT, I DON'T THINK THAT. DEFINED APPROPRIATELY THE HEIGHTS. THE SCALE OF THIS YEAR. FOR WHAT? I DON'T THINK I THINK WE SHOULD DRESS CONCERNS. I BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BRING UP AROUND. DENSITY LEVELS. TRAFFIC TRAFFIC ZONING, BUT THE DENSITY LEVELS HAND. AND I THINK THAT THE WAY IT'S PORTRAYED IN THERE. DID. I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE ANY SPECIFIC PLAN IN THERE. I THINK WE COULD HAVE THAT ON THE SIDE. I THINK THAT THE WAY IT'S SHOWING IN THE DOCUMENT. MISLEADING. PRESENTED BETTER OKAY? ALRIGHT I'VE MOVED TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORT AND RELATED DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE CASE INTO THE RECORD. SECON.

YES, MR KIRBY? YES. MR LORRISON? YES. MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR SCHELL? YES. ALRIGHT I THINK

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