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UM. I'M TOLD THAT I'M IN CHARGE HERE TONIGHT. UH, THIS IS THIS IS OUR QUORUM. WE HAVE OUR QUORUM. SO UH, WHAT AND SO WHAT ? LET'S CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD OF SEPTEMBER. 12 CAN WE CALL THE ROLL? JESSE? MR EATON? MR STROLLER HERE. MR MERRILL. IT'S HERE. MS MOORE HERE, MR DIRK HERE. MR HENSON. MR BROWN, MR THOMAS. I HAVEN'T TOLD JUST FOR THE FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT MR BROWN IS ON HIS WAY. BUT HE ASKED US NOT TO WAIT FOR HIM IF WE HAD A QUARTER, SO I AM KEEPING MY PROMISE TO HIM THAT I
[III. Action of Minutes: August 8, 2022]
WOULDN'T UM, I THINK ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE MINUTES OF OUR MEETING ABOUT AUGUST. 8 2022. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR REVISIONS TO THE MINUTES? AND IF NONE IS THERE, A MOTION TO APPROVE CERTAINLY. SECOND. MR ALEX. YES MR STROLLER? YES. MS MOORE? YES MR RATAN? YES, MR MALIK. SORRY. STILL YES. HAVEN'T CHANGED HIS MIND. UH UM, STAFF HOW MANY ADDITIONS OR[IV. Additions or Corrections to Agenda]
CORRECTIONS TO OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? WE DO NOT OKAY. HERE COMES MR BROWN. WELL LET THE RECORD REFLECT MR BROWN JOINED US ALMOST TIME. THANK YOU. NO YOU MISSED NOTHING. BUT THE MINUTE DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? TIMING'S NOT ALRIGHT WHEN WE WHEN WE CORRECTLY APPROVED THEM. UM. AND I WAS GIVEN. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE THERE. IT WOULD SEEM DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE ANY VISITORS. YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO WHAT IS MOVED AND I GUESS WE ALSO HAVE NO ONE TO SWEAR IN. I THINK ONE IS HERE.[VII. Cases:]
THEREFORE WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FIRST CASE, WHICH IS RB ONE. OH 7 2022 A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. CAN WE GET STAFF REPORT? SURE, THANK YOU. SO THIS APPLICATION IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APP APPLICATION THAT IS BEING APPLIED FOR BY THE CITY OF ALBANY. IT IS, UH, TO INSTALL A NEW PARKING LOT ALONG SWICORD WORDS BOULEVARD. SO JUST KIND OF ON THE OUTSET, I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF A SNEAK PEEK HERE. SO WE ARE WORKING ON A CITY LED PROJECT TO INSTALL SOME PICKLE BALL COURTS GENERALLY NORTH OF THE EXISTING MIRACLE FIELD, WHICH YOU GUYS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BECAUSE YOU REVIEW TO IMPROVE THAT APPLICATION, SO THEY PICK UP OUR COURTS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.ROUGHLY IN THIS AREA HERE. AND THEN THE NEW PARKING LOT, WHICH IS THE FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY. SO CITY CODE DOES AS AS YOU GUYS KNOW THERE ARE MAJOR AND MINOR ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES . UM I'VE WATCHED DETERMINE WHAT REQUIRES REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE RB, SO SPORTS FIELDS BLEACHERS RELATED FACILITIES ACTUALLY QUALIFIED ARE ACTUALLY CLASSIFIED APOLOGIES AS A MINOR ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE AIR B REVIEW AND APPROVAL. HOWEVER NEW PARKING LOTS ARE CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE. WHICH WHAT WOULD A STADIUM B? SO A STADIUM. I THINK THERE'S THE LANGUAGE AND THE CODE SAYS. AH SPORTS FIELDS , BENCHES, BLEACHERS OR ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, AS DETERMINED WOULDN'T BE A MINOR. YOU GUYS WOULDN'T GET TO APPROVE. MOST LIKELY, YEAH. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THAT WOULD BE A BUILDING PERMIT. YES SO, REALLY TONIGHT. THE APPLICATION IS THE APPLICATION REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS REALLY JUST FOR THE PARKING LOT ITSELF , NOT FOR THE PICKLE BALL COURT AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NORTH. OBVIOUSLY, THESE THINGS ARE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER. SO I WILL TALK ABOUT THEM INTERCHANGEABLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SET THAT UP ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CONVERSATION. SO AGAIN TO REITERATE THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW PARKING LOTS. SO I JUST KIND OF WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH THE SITE, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE INTO THE NEW PARKING LOTS OF THIS IS SWITCHBOARDS BOULEVARD HERE IN THE SOUTH PROBABLY JUMP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE AERIAL AND THE PLAN VIEW. SO THIS IS IF YOU COME UP TO THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER INTO THE MIRACLE LEAGUE, OUR MEDICAL FIELD. THIS IS THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO COME. THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING LOT WILL ACTUALLY BE OFF OF EXISTING, UM, ALBEA SHARED ACCESS DRIVE WITH THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP AQUATIC CENTER OVER HERE TO THE EAST. JUMPING BACK TO PLAN VIEW HERE SO AGAIN, THIS NEW PARKING LOT WILL COME OFF OF
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THAT SHARED ROAD WILL BE ABOUT 75 PARKING SPACES GOING UP NORTH TOWARDS STATE ROUTE 1 61. WOULD YOU HAVE SOME PICKLE BALL COURTS ABOUT 12 PICK UP OUR COURTS BEING INSTALLED ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS TO TENNIS SPORTS. AND THEN THE PARKING LOT OF THE DRIVE. I REALLY WRAPS AROUND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE AND THEN CONNECTS BACK INTO THIS EXISTING STAB UP HERE ON THE NORTHERN PARTS OF THE STATE HERE. SO THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH REALLY A VERY ACTIVE CONTINGENT OF THE PICKLE BALL. FOLKS DESIGN THIS AND REALLY WHEN WE DESIGNED THE PICKLE BALL COURTS AND THEN THE ASSOCIATED PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED ARE NOT REQUIRED, BUT BEING PROVIDED 75 SPACES. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH PARKING, AMPLE PARKING TO HANDLE THE DEMAND. BOTH THAT COULD BE, UM UM, EXPERIENCE BOTH JUST FOR THE PICKLE BALLS COURTS THEMSELVES, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME PARKING FOR OFFSITE USES IN THE NEARBY AREA. SO WITH THIS WILL BE PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE MIRACLE FIELD AS WELL AS THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP AQUATIC CENTER. THAT PLAIN TOWNSHIP HAS STATED THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING , ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S BEEN BUSY, SO THIS WILL PROVIDE SOME OFF PEAK PARKING FOR THEM AS WELL. UM BUT THIS AGAIN WILL PROVIDE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR ANYONE WHO'S PLAYING PICKLEBALL. AND IF THERE'S ANY TOURNAMENTS THAT MAY HAPPEN, WHERE THERE'S SOME VISITORS THAT COME INTO, UM, THE TOURNAMENTS THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME PARKING FOR THOSE FOLKS AS WELL. SO WE DO HAVE TO BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, ALSO THAT I WILL NOTE THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED ON THE SITE. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT IT LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I'LL READ THOSE JUST TO BRING THIS TO THE FOURTH TIME DISCUSSION, SO WE DO ASK THAT A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE SITE IS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED YET. I IMAGINE THAT WILL BE DESIGNED WITH FUTURE PAGES. SO WE ASK THAT THAT BE SUCH A STAT APPROVAL AND THEN THAT ANY SITE LIGHTING ALSO BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL AS WELL AGAIN. THOSE FIXTURES AREN'T UM, HAVEN'T BEEN PLANNED YET AND THEN ANY FUTURE SIGNAGE THAT'S SUPPOSED FOR THE PICKLE BALL COURTS OR ANYTHING ON THIS SITE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE AIR B FOR APPROVAL, SO AND THAT THAT COMES BACK TO FOR US UNDER THE SIGN CODE, I SUPPOSE THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. MHM? YEP. QUESTIONS COMMENTS. SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE IT'S THE PROPERTY TO THE EASE OF THAT OWNED BY THE TOWNSHIP. SO THAT'S SHARED DRIVE. UM PART NEW ALBANY PART PLAIN TOWNSHIP. THAT'S CORRECT. YES GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION, GIVEN TO WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP TILL THE RATHER THAN HAVING TO PARALLELING BASICALLY ROADS THERE TO MAKE IT MAYBE MATCH THE EXISTING SPICKARD WOODS BOULEVARD PARENT REAL PARKING SPOTS ON EACH SIDE. RATHER THAN HAVING THE ALL THAT. PARALLELING ASPHALT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS THAT WAS LOOKED AT, UM AND ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER ITERATIONS IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE PARKING, I THINK THE GENERAL GOALS WERE TO, UM, PUT THE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE CITY PROPERTY. AND THEN WHILE THERE'S THAT SHARED DRIVE TO THE EAST THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TOWNSHIP, UM, TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO DO OTHER PARKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY, SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DRIVE ISN'T UM I GUESS THE CITY ISN'T INTEGRATING THEIR DRIVE. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE COULD BE A FUTURE TOWNSHIP PROJECT WHERE THAT DRIVE GETS INTEGRATED INTO TOWNSHIP IMPROVEMENTS. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I WOULD OFFER THAT THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES CHALLENGED THE LOCATION OF THE PICKLE BALL COURTS. AND AS SUCH, I THINK THEY'D BE RETICENT TO PUTTING PARKING SPACES ON THEIR PROPERTY, JUST BEING CANDID. OKAY, PLAYING WELL. UM I THINK FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THEY SAY WE AREN'T AND I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE SAY THEY AREN'T SO I THINK IT'S SOMEBODY. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. AND THEIR CHALLENGE REALLY. CENTERS AROUND HMM. YOU HAVE. MHM OH, YOU HAVE THE BASEBALL. YOU HAVE THE LITTLE CITY. YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT GOING ON AND CRAMMING THIS IN THERE IS IN THEIR MINDS UNNECESSARY RELATIVE TO TAYLOR FARMS AND KITZMILLER PARK AND OTHER QUOTE IN THEIR MINDS THAT ARE PLACES WITH MORE LAND OR EVEN BEVEL HYPER SO OKAY, THANK YOU. KIND OF. IT'S SUCH A LONG.CREATING MAYBE A CONNECTION POINT HERE. I KNOW. THAT WAS PRESSURE. YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. RIGHT HERE. YEAH I KNOW IT WOULD RESULT IN PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE SPACES BEING
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REMOVED, BUT THEY'RE JUST PEAK. IT CAN BE SO CONGESTED IN THERE, WHETHER IT'S AS A RESULT OF THE SCHOOL OPERATION OR THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP OPERATION, AND I JUST WORRY THAT IT'S GONNA AGGRAVATE EVERYTHING FURTHER. ANY KIND OF IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN HERE AND YOU WANT TO SORT OF BAILOUT, YOUR ONLY OPTION IS TO GO SEEMINGLY ALL THE WAY AROUND. IF YOU COULD. SOMEHOW HAVE A BAILOUT LOOP THERE, IT MIGHT YES. TRAFFIC. THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT. YEAH. YEAH THAT CONNECTION WAS LOOKED AT AGAIN. THE GOAL WAS TO MAXIMIZE PARKING SPACES, THE CITY'S OPINION THAT EVERY LITTLE SPACE COUNTS HERE AND SO WE CERTAINLY WANTED TO ADD IN ALL THE AVAILABLE PARKING . UM MR MALIK'S WRITES THAT THAT IS SORT OF THE REASON FOR HAVING THAT DRIVE AROUND THE TOP. SINCE THERE WASN'T A SECONDARY CONNECTION MADE THERE IS THAT DRIVE THAT LOOPS AROUND THE NORTH TO PROVIDE ALTERNATE MEANS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THE PICKLE BALL COURTS IN THE PARKING LOT THERE. UM BUT IN ADDITION TO THE CONNECTION THERE , UM THIS WILL BE JUST SORT OF A STRAIGHT SHOT OF PARKING SPACES AND GETTING LANDSCAPING WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, SO IT WILL BE VERY WELL LANDSCAPED TO HER IN DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT NOW, BUT THAT ALSO ALLOWS TO MAXIMIZE PARKING AND THEN TO AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING TOO. MAXIMIZE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LANDSCAPING AND SHADE TREES AS WELL. THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION. I'M SORRY. UM, THE CONNECTION HERE. IS THIS A TWO WAY? FOR ONE WAY, SO I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO WAY IT'S DIVIDED BY US CENTRAL BOULEVARD. YES. SO WHEN YOU EXIT HERE, YOU'RE GONNA COME DOWN THE EXISTING SCHOOL DRIVE. BUT THATY RUNS IN THIS DIRECTION RUNS COUNTER CLOCKWISE. COMING UP THIS DRIVE AND TURNING AND COMING BACK DOWN. I GUESS IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE OTHER DRAWING FOR A MOMENT, I GUESS I JUST SEE TWO POTENTIAL ISSUES. ONE HERE IS CONFLICTING TRAFFIC AND THE OTHER IS RIGHT HERE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS INTERSECTION AS VEHICLES COME DOWN, TURN AROUND AND SEEK TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN WHILE PEOPLE ARE ENTERING OR EXITING HERE. I JUST SEE SOME REAL POTENTIAL TRAFFIC CONFLICTS WITH ALL OF THIS. UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THE MOTIVATIONS NOT NOTWITHSTANDING. YEAH THAT EXISTS NOW THE OVER MEAN IN THE SENSE OF NOT THIS PART, THOUGH, THE, UM I MEAN, I MEAN, THEY'RE HERE. ARE COURSE THE WHOLE SERIES OF PARKING LOT. THESE ARE ALL PARKING SPACES. THEY ONLY THEY ONLY SHOW THEM UP TO THEIR BUT THEY GO ALL THE WAY OVER. AND THEY ALSO HAVE EQUIVALENT ONES DOWN HERE. SURE, LET ME REPHRASE. MY QUESTION IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE DUMPING OUTFLOW HERE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THIS SCHOOL LOOP IS DUMPING THERE AND THEN POTENTIALLY AS YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THESE WITH THE DIRECTION THAT YOU JUST INDICATED YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SEEKING TO POTENTIALLY ENTER THIS WAY, WHILE OTHERS ARE TRYING TO EXIT THAT WAY, WHICH COULD THEN CREATE A BACKUP CONDITION OF THAT INTERSECTION. I MEAN, IT WILL LIKELY CREATE A BACKUP CONDITIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. I GUESS IT'S THE QUESTION. YEAH I THINK THAT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION. THIS SITE DESIGN WAS DESIGNED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. AND I DIDN'T COME PREPARED. I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I DON'T KNOW. LIKE WHAT? STOP CONDITION, IF ANY WILL BE REQUIRED UP THERE, BUT I IMAGINE THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND. AND THEY HAVE DESIGNED THIS AROUND, UM, PROPER TRAFFIC CONTROL, BUT, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION OFFHAND, ABOUT WHAT TRAFFIC CONTROL THAT WILL BE UP THERE. WE'LL HAVE TO USE THEIR PARKING MR MELTING POINT.LISTEN, THIS IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A ONE WAY CONDITION ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE. HENCE THE ANGLE PARKING ALL THE WAY INTO THIS AREA HERE. MHM COME OUT HERE. IT'S GONNA NUMBER ONE WAY OUT OVER HERE. BE CLEARLY. TO AVOID I PROMISE YOU ENOUGH. WRONG SIDE THERE. MHM PUMP CONFUSED UP IN HERE, TOO. AND PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE OVERHEAD IN A MINUTE, RIGHT? HOW MUCH THIS IS THAT ASPHALT PAD, BASICALLY THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN A ROAD BED. THAT'S SLANTED. THIS SPACE, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST A ROADWAY. YES NO PARKING RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT PARKING THERE.
AND THIS IS A ROADWAY. MM HMM. THEN IT DOUBLES UP HERE, AND IT BECOMES PART OF THIS. I'M CONFUSED. HOW ALL THIS LINKS THERE'S ALREADY A ROAD COMING IN HERE. WHERE DOES IT GO? WHERE DOES IT END? AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING. IS THERE A SPACE BETWEEN THIS ROAD AND THAT
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ASPHALT THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONFUSING AS TO A TRAFFIC PATTERN. I ALSO AGREE WITH THERE NEEDS TO BE A BREAK OVER HERE. THAT'S TOO LONG. ONE CAR BREAKS DOWN UP HERE. IT'S A MESS.THERE'S NO THERE'S NO OUT AT 22 FT WIDE. YEAH, I THINK IT'S WIDE ENOUGH LIKE GETTING AROUND LIKE THAT. SO RIGHT NOW THIS ROAD THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS ROAD. COMES IN RIGHT HERE. YEP COME UP THERE AND YOU GOES UP THIS WAY. YOU CAN GO RIGHT OR YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP HERE. HMM. AND THEN THAT WILL WORK. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT ANOTHER HAD RIGHT HERE ADJACENT TO IT. HOW CLOSE IS THAT GOING TO BE TO THIS BALLPARK? SO THE ISLAND WILL REMAIN THE SAME. THIS WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS WELL. THIS BUMP OUT IS CURRENTLY HERE. TODAY WHAT WILL BE ADDED ANOTHER PART OF THIS PROJECT IS THE WRONG WAY. THERE IS CURRENTLY A LONG ROW OF HANDICAPPED PARKING HERE, SO THE CITY WILL RELOCATE SOME OF THE HANDICAPPED PARKING THAT'S FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE ENTRY POINTS OF THE MIRACLE FIELD AND RELOCATE THAT UP HERE. SO THE BOULEVARD THE MEDIAN HERE WILL REMAIN UNCHANGED. AND YES, THIS IS A VERY CONFUSED. THIS IS A VERY TECHNICAL DOCUMENT. BUT BASICALLY THIS HATCHING RIGHT HERE IS JUST SHOWING WHERE THEY WILL BE RE PAVEMENTS PAVEMENTS ALREADY HERE. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE IMPROVED, AND THEN THE SORT OF CANDY CANE PATTERN IS WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE HEAVY DUTY PAVEMENTS INSTALLED AND SO I PARKING IS GOING SORRY. I KEEP GOING THE WRONG WAY. YEP THAT'LL BE INSTALLED. SO THERE'S A PARALLEL PARKING HERE NOW. THIS IS WHERE THE NEW HEAD IN PARKING IS GOING TO BE, SO IT WON'T BE MUCH NEW. AS FAR AS PAVEMENT ENCROACHMENT GOES SO LET ME ASK THE QUESTION ANOTHER WAY. YOU HAVE THIS ROAD YOU'RE CUTTING IN OVER HERE. RUNNING PARALLEL TO THIS. IT'S GOING TO COME AROUND HERE. CORRECT. SO THIS LITTLE AND IT'S GONNA DUMP INTO HERE.
THIS LITTLE STUFF ACTUALLY IS GOING TO GO AWAY. IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GO ABOVE AND ACTUALLY PROBABLY FOLLOW THIS RED LINE PRETTY CLOSELY. WHY DO YOU NEED ANOTHER ROADWAY PATH GOING DOWN HERE? IF THIS ROAD IS GOING TO DUMP IN THIS ROAD, THERE WON'T BE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUSING. SO THERE'S NOT ANOTHER ROADWAY. IT'S THE SAME ONE. THIS IS REMAINING UNCHANGED. THE MARKINGS ON THIS DRAWING OR JUST TO SHOW WHERE THE PAVEMENT IS BEING REPLACED, SO IT'S NOT NEW EXISTING ROADWAY WITH SOME NEW PAPER. YEAH OKAY, THAT WASN'T CLEAR, OKAY? AND THEN THEN THE NEW THE NEW PART IS RIGHT ABOUT HERE. THERE'S ANGLED PARKING INSTEAD OF PARALLEL MARKETING. CONCEIVABLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN HERE AND GOING AROUND THERE TO PARK OVER ON THIS CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO PRESUMABLY PEOPLE COME UP AND THE NEW ROAD THAT'S GONNA THAT LITTLE STUBS GOING TO GO AWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT THAT FOR THE COURTS AND THE NEW ROADS GOING TO CONTINUE UP AND THEN THEN DO THIS MORE OR LESS RIGHT NOW. REAR AND THEN TOBER, OKAY? UM. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF MAYBE THE ONLY THING WE'D APPROVE IS THE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO REALLY, THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY WHEN IT GOES THERE IS, DOES IT HIDE THE HEADLIGHTS? UH ACTUALLY, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S TECHNICALLY ANY HEADLIGHTS SCREENING REQUIRED HERE, BASED ON THE ADJACENT USES , SO THERE'S NO SO OKAY, SO OKAY , SO THAT THAT ANSWERS MY OTHER QUESTION, WHICH WAS REALLY WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN NOW? BUT IF IT'S NOT EVEN THEY HAD. SO MAYBE YEAH, IT'S REALLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE ENGINEERING DESIGN AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET TO BE THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT, SO THIS COULD BE PHASED OVER TIME, BUT THE INTENT IS BASED ON INTERNAL TALKS IS THAT WE WOULD LINE THIS GREEN AREA BETWEEN THE TWO PAVEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVES WITH TREES SO THIS WOULD BE LINED WITH TREES. AND THEN THE OTHER GOAL. SO THIS IS WHERE THERE'S THE EXISTING TREE ROW. NOW LONG 1 61 OUR GOALS TO PRESERVE AND BE, UM, UH, LESS AS IMPACTFUL AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO IN ORDER TO MITIGATE IN DISTURBANCE TO THE TREE ROAD HERE, SO WE HOPE TO MAXIMIZE THE TREES HERE AND NOT IMPACT THOSE AND THEN ADD ROWS ALONG EACH END OF THIS PARKING AREA. WE DON'T WAIT. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FREEWAY AND AMERICA THAT'S RIGHT MARKETING SOME YEARS AGO, THIS THIS SPACE RIGHT HERE. BETWEEN THE COURTS IN THE ROADWAY. WHAT'S THE DIMENSION OF WITH THAT? THE REASON I'M ASKING IS YOU YOU'RE GONNA HAVE POTENTIALLY IF ALL THESE COURTS HAVE KILLED 48 PEOPLE ARE BETTER. IN THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 48 PEOPLE WAITING TO COME IN. TO START YOU
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KNOW, AS SOON AS THEY'RE DONE SO AS THESE PEOPLE ARE WALKING UP THIS ROADWAY, IS THERE ANY STAGING AREA FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING TO PLAY? IT DOESN'T LOOK WEIRD, VERY WIDE. YES SO THE STAGING AREAS IN THE MIDDLE HERE , SO THERE'S A FIVE FT SIDEWALK THAT RUNS ALONG HERE AND THAT RUNS ALONG HERE AND THEN THIS AREA ACTUALLY IS MEANT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. SO NOT SHOWN ON THIS PAGE. BUT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS . UM THINGS LIKE BLEACHERS, STAGING AREAS GATHERING PLACES TO WATCH. UM UH EITHER PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE FOR PLAYERS WHO ARE AWAITING AS WELL AND THEN SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE. LIKE OUR PACKET OS YOU THERE'S AN AREA BETWEEN THE COURTS. THIS WILL THIS WILL ALL BE FENCED OFF. SO THE ADDITIONAL STANDING AND GATHERING SPACE ALONG THIS CORRIDOR HERE THAT RUNS EAST WEST BETWEEN THE COURTS. MY ONLY OTHER CUP. PROBABLY NOT MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT, BUT MY CURRENT COMMENT, I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT IT. IT'S NOT FOR REVIEW RIGHT NOW. BUT AS YOU LOOK AT SIGNAGE THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A ROADWAY. THEY WANT TO HAVE TOURNAMENTS, ETCETERA. I THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. THAT IS A NON PARKING RODEWAY. VERY CLEARLY SIGNED. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF IT. AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT, BECAUSE IF THEY EVER TOURNAMENT OF ANY SORT A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO LOGICALLY. WELL, I'M RIGHT NEXT TO THE COURTS OF PARK RIGHT HERE. JUST JUST BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE IS WE HEARD A AT LEAST A SUGGESTION FROM SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. UM WHETHER OR NOT WANTED. TO THE REQUIRE OR STRONGLY SUGGEST, OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE WOULD THAT WE WOULD DO ON THIS ONE. ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A THERE'S AN EXIT TO THE SHARE DRIVE HERE IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE, UM IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE CONGESTION. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I THINK I HEARD THAT WAS NOT RESOLVED OTHERWISE IN THE COMMENTS, WHAT IS THE BOARD HAVE ANY SENSE ON THAT? EVEN IF IT'S ONLY AN ACCIDENT ONLY TO MINIMIZE THE LOSS OF PARKING SPACES, SO AT LEAST HAVE SOME WAY TO GET OUT. I MEAN, THERE'S TWO OTHER ENTRANCES. I MEAN, I DO THINK A TRAFFIC PLAN WITH DIRECTIONAL ARROWS WOULD BE USEFUL. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT WHICH CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE MEETING TONIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR OTHERS THAT ARE CONCEIVED THIS TO EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE PATTERNS ARE BECAUSE IT IS IT DOES READ AS IF IT'S A ONE WAY LOOP, AND IT REALLY ISN'T AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAYBE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS ARE COMING FROM, AS RELATED TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THAT CUT THROUGH. I'M GUESSING THAT THAT CUT FOR NEGOTIATION IS NOT AN EASY CONSIDERATION, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT I TEND TO AGREE THAT THERE JUST SEEMS THERE SEEMS TO BE RISK IN THIS THAT MAYBE IT'S PROBABLY WHY WE'RE ALL EXPRESSING SOME CONCERN HERE. YEAH. I KNOW FROM A SURE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PRACTICAL REASONS WHY THAT SECOND CONNECTION WASN'T MADE, AND I KNOW TWO FROM THE CITY'S GOALS AND INTENSE AGAIN WAS TO MAXIMIZE PARKING HERE. IN FACT, WE WOULD IN AN IDEAL WORLD LIKE TO HAVE ADDED MORE PARKING ON THIS SITE. UM BUT AFTER DOING SEVERAL ITERATIONS, THIS IS WHAT WE LANDED ON WORKING WITH THEIR CITY ENGINEER TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS SAFE AND EFFICIENT ACCESS AND MOVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE SITES AND ALSO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING SPACES. BUT WE COULD COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND PROVIDES MORE DIRECTIONAL ANALYSIS AND SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS. UM BECAUSE I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT I'M SURE THAT WAS PART OF THE ANALYSIS AND EVALUATION WHEN COMING UP WITH THIS SITE PLAN. I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING THAT AND I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 75 PARKING SPACES THAT YOU'RE ADDING IN THIS DESIGN. IF YOU LOSE THREE OR FOUR, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 71 75 SPOTS PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE. TO THE USAGE THERE. I KNOW THEY WANT TO MAXIMIZE HIM. BUT THERE'S I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S A REASONABLE, AGGRESSIVE INGRESS. OUT OF THAT LONG TUBULAR. PARKING STRUCTURE. WHAT WILL BE THE. HOURS OF OPERATION OF THIS AND WHO WHO WILL BE[00:25:05]
USING THE COURTS, PRIMARILY, WHAT'S IT? WHAT'S THE TARGET AUDIENCE? YES SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, SO I THINK THEY WOULD BECOME AN AMENITY FOR NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS AND I KNOW WE ALSO HAVE HOPES TO HOST TOURNAMENTS, SO WHETHER THEY BE REGIONAL OR LOCAL TOURNAMENTS HERE, I THINK THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING SPACES ON SITE AND THEN, UM, OUR NEW, UM COMMUNITY EVENTS. PROGRAMMING UM ABBEY BROOKS, I THINK SHOULD BE THE ONE THAT AS FAR AS DOING LIKE ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING AND HOURS, I THINK OUR GENERAL PARK HOURS YOU KNOW IF WE WERE TO FALL UNDER THAT IS, I THINK GENERALLY LIKE SUNRISE TO SUNSET, BUT I THINK THIS WILL HAVE LIGHTING. AT SOME POINT, I BELIEVE SO THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL HOURS FOR TOURNAMENTS SO IT WILL OVERLAP WITH SCHOOL OPERATIONS AND PLAIN TOWNSHIP OPERATIONS. IN TERMS OF USE.POTENTIALLY I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN WORKED OUT YET, BUT POTENTIALLY NO, I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY WILL. I MEAN, THEY'RE ABLE TO GO OVER THERE AND PLAY IN THE MORNINGS WITH SCHOOLS ARE STARTING AND THERE WILL BE PLAYING IN AFTERNOONS THEY COULD PLAY IN THE EVENINGS. ONE THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS IS ALSO A CITY PARK OR A CITY FACILITY. AND AS SUCH ANYBODY COULD COME THERE AND UTILIZE IT. NOT NECESSARILY JUST RESIDENTS OF NEW ALBANY CAN'T BE RESTRICTED TO THAT. SO IF THE HANNAH OR JOHNSTOWN OR SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME AND PLAY THERE THEY CAN COME AND PLAY INTENT. I FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THE GROUP FACILITATING AND THE PICKLE BALL COURTS AS THEY WANT. THEY WANT TO DEVELOP SOME SORT OF RESERVATION SYSTEM GIVING PRIORITY RESIDENTS BUT AS SUCH THAT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET. THAT'S THE INTENT, BUT NOTHING'S BEEN PRESENTED ALONG THAT, BUT IT IS A PUBLIC PARK AND OPEN TO ANYONE. SO DO WE HAVE A KIND OF A SENSE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS FOR A MONTH, SO WE GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW. IS THAT WHAT I'M? IS THAT WHAT? I THINK I'M HEARING THE BOARD. AND IS THAT I'M ASSUMING THIS WILL NOT GRIEVOUSLY INJURED. THIS PROJECT IN THE SENSE OF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE STARTING HERE AND NOT THAT I'M AWARE NOW. OKAY WELL, THEN WHY DON'T WE SOMEWHAT , I GUESS I WOULD INVITE THE MOTION TO TABLE. BECOME SOMEONE THEY WANT. SOMEONE WANTED TO MAKE IT. MAKE A MOTION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. MS MOORE? YES MR BROWN? YES MR MALLETS? YES, MR STROLLER? YES. MR DRAYTON? YES. OF YOU A CHANCE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT CONNECTION OF RISK. UM.
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SO THE NEXT IS THE OTHER BUSINESSES. WAIVER CODE UPDATE. YES, THANK YOU. SO I WILL ASK YOU GUYS TO BE PATIENT. WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT SLONE UNDERSTANDS KIE PROCESS OF HOW THIS CODE SECTION IS INTERPRETED AND APPLIED ON A DAILY BASIS. AND ESPECIALLY AS IT IMPACTS THIS BOARD MORE THAN ANY OTHER BOARD IN THE CITY. OBVIOUSLY SO THE AIR B HAS ASKED STAFF A COUPLE OF TIMES TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE WAIVER CODE SECTION STANDARDS AND POTENTIALLY LOOK AT IF THERE SHOULD BE CHANGED, AND IF THEY ARE TO BE CHANGED, WHETHER SOME OPTIONS POTENTIALLY THEY COULD BE CHANGED TO SO JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY LESSON, SO THE WAIVER CODE SECTION WAS ACTUALLY INTRODUCED ARE ADOPTED IN THE CITY CODE. UH REALLY UNLIKE THE LIKE, 9 4011 TIMEFRAME. IT WAS ADOPTED IN THE CODE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE URBAN CENTER CODE. AND WHAT IT DOES IS, IT'S THE MECHANISM OF RELIEF TO CODE REQUIREMENTS OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO OUR OVERALL UH, GENERAL PLANNING PHILOSOPHY FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A WHOLE IS TO PRESERVE , PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND TO ALWAYS SUPPORT GOOD DESIGN. SO SOMETIMES IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE GOALS, WAIVERS ARE NECESSARY, OR THEY'RE AT LEAST APPLIED FOR BY APPLICANTS, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT, AND THESE FOUR STANDARDS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN ARE THE CRISIS HERE. CRITERIA THAT MUST BE MET IN ORDER FOR THE AIR B TWO GRANTS OR APPROVED A WAIVER APPLICATION. SO GOING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT SO HAVE HIGHLIGHTED BOLTED AND UNDERLINE IF YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT THIS AND CLAWS HERE SO BECAUSE[00:30:04]
THIS SAYS, AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS ARAB MEETINGS THAT SUGGESTS THAT ALL FOUR OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE THESE CRITERIA, RATHER HAVE TO BE MET. IN ORDER TO GRANT A WAIVER REQUEST. SO WHERE THIS HAS BECOME A LITTLE BIT TRICKY IS WITH THIS CRITERIA C OR THE THIRD CRITERIA, WHICH READS THAT THE WAIVER IF GRANTED, THE WAIVER MUST BE NECESSARY FOR REASONS OF FAIRNESS DUE TO UNUSUAL SIGHTS, SPECIFIC CONSTRAINTS. SO SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN APPLICATION THAT CAN BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO FIT EVERY INSTANCE IF WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF AWAY WHERE IT CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR EVERY INSTANCE AND TWO MEETING AND UNUSUAL SITE SPECIFIC AND STRANGE SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT STARTED. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC AREA. THAT'S UH , BOLTED, UNDERLINING BOXED IN RIGHT THERE. SO WHAT WE DID FIRST AS WE TOOK A LOOK. WE DID SOME RESEARCH ON THE WAIVER. COOK CRITERIA KIND OF WHERE THAT CAME FROM BACK IN 2009 TIMEFRAME . UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, DID SOME RESEARCH ON SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES CODE SECTIONS TO SEE HOW THEY HANDLE THAT THAT MECHANISM RELIEF FOR AREAS THAT ARE EITHER THEIR EQUIVALENT REALLY OF A VILLAGE CENTER AND THEIR COMMUNITIES AND REALLY EVERYONE, NO ONE NO ONE DOES IT THE SAME WAY, OBVIOUSLY IN EVERY COMMUNITY, BUT EVERYONE HAS EITHER A WAIVER PROCESS OR A VARIANCE PROCESS. VARIANT STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THAN WAIVER STANDARDS. BUT UH, EVERY COMMUNITY FOLLOWS EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO PATHS WHAT WE DID FIND IS THAT EVERY COMMUNITY HAD IF THEY HAD A LABOR SECTION , UM THE WAIVER CRITERIA WERE MORE BROAD. THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY CODE. SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS THIRD POINT USUALLY ARE IN EVERY CASE, THE OTHER COMMUNITIES CODE ALSO TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION ANY BUILDING SPECIFIC. CONSTRAINTS OR CONDITIONS THAT WILL BE PRESENT THAT MAY MAY JUSTIFY A WAIVER REQUEST. THERE WERE ALSO SOME THAT CONSIDERED, UM ANY, UM OTHER CONDITIONS OTHER THAN SITE OR BUILDING CONSTRAINTS THAT MAY JUSTIFY THE WAIVER REQUEST. SO WHAT WE DID BASED ON THAT RESEARCH AND IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR CITY LAW DIRECTOR AS WE KIND OF PUT TOGETHER THREE OPTIONS FOR THE AIR B TO DISCUSSION ABOUT TONIGHT OF HOW THIS CODE SECTION SPECIFICALLY JUST THIS THIRD CRITERIA HERE COULD BE CHANGED TO ALLOW FOR MORE THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF CONSTRAINT THAT A PROPERTY OWNER AN APPLICANT MIGHT BE EXPERIENCING OTHER THAN JUST SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO SITE SPECIFIC CONSTRAINT. SO AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE IN THE WEEDS HERE, BUT WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT OUR VARIANCE CRITERIA. IN RELATION TO OUR WAIVER CRITERIA. SO YOU SEE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP BY A BOARD MEMBER. OUR USE OF THE WORD CONSTRAINT HERE. IS, UM IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR VARIANTS CRITERIA OR VARIANCE CRITERIA ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC OR UNUSUAL CONDITIONS RELATED TO A PROPERTY OR CONDITION THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BE EXPERIENCING THAT MAYBE JUSTIFY A VARIANCE REQUEST OR A WAIVER REQUESTS. IN THIS INSTANCE, SO OUR CITY LAW DIRECTOR STATED THAT AND IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT MECHANISMS RELIEF IT WAS APPROPRIATE IT COULD BE, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE THE WORK CONSTRAINT TO CONDITIONS. THE WORK CONDITIONS IS ALSO A LITTLE MORE BROAD. FROM A DEFINITION STANDPOINT, UM THAN THE WORK AND STRENGTHS, SO WE DO HAVE THREE OPTIONS. HERE SPELL THIS OUT FOR YOU. SO THE FIRST OPTION IS TO LEAVE TO CHANGE THE WORD CONSTRAINTS TO CONDITIONS. BUT OTHERWISE LEAVE THAT QUALIFIER UNCHANGED. WE WOULD STILL RELY ON UNUSUAL SITE SPECIFIC CONSTRAINT. OPTION TWO DROPS THE CONDITION OUR JOBS TO CONSTRAINTS ANNOUNCED CONDITIONS AS WELL, BUT ADDS IN AN UNUSUAL BUILDING. CONDITION THAT MAY JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST. AND OPTION THREE AS BUILDING OR SOME OTHER SPECIFIC CONDITION. OR OTHER THERE'S SOME OTHER CONDITION OR CIRCUMSTANCE THAT DOES NOT RESULT FROM THE ACTION OF AN APPLICANT. AS SOMETHING TO KIND OF WAY WHEN DETERMINING OF A WAIVER REQUEST IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. SO THIS THIS LONGER PORTION HERE ABOUT THE OTHER CONDITION OR CIRCUMSTANCE THAT DOES NOT RESULT FROM THE ACTION OF THE APPLICANT THAT'S ACTUALLY LANGUAGE THAT'S PULLED DIRECTLY FROM OUR VARIANCE CRITERIA OVER[00:35:02]
INTO THE SECTION. SO THIS THIRD OPTION HERE IS THE MOST BROAD. UM THE YOU KNOW THE MOST BROAD WAY TO LOOK AT A VARIANCE TO WAIVER REQUEST. UM UH, IT ALLOWS FOR THE MOST FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER TWO. SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT AND JUST OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION. AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED US TO DO THIS PROJECT FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS B. PASSPORT PUT AN EXAMPLE THROUGH THE PACES OF THIS. DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT I'M JUST THINKING OF THE RECENT WAIVER REQUEST THAT WE COULD JUST KICK THE TIRES ON FOR SAKE OF UNDERSTANDING? HOW THESE WOULD APPLY, AND IT MAY BE THAT WE GIVE YOU SOME ASSIGNMENTS FOR BOARD CONTINUES THIS BECAUSE IT MAY BE IF WE HAVEN'T REALLY DIDN'T. I DIDN'T MEAN RIGHT OFF THE FLY. JUST SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND I WOULD LIKE I MEAN, IT WOULD BE USEFUL. MAYBE GO BACK TO SOME CASES THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO THINK. YOU GUYS YOU GUYS REMEMBER AND GO THROUGH THE THINGS WHERE WE GRANTED GRANTED OR DENIED. UM WAVERS. AND. AND THEN TAKE A LOOK AND THEN MAYBE PRESENT THEM TO US SO WE COULD LOOK AT THEM WITH SPECIFIC INSTANCES IN IN IN MIND. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S THAT WOULD BE USEFUL BECAUSE THEN WE COULD GO THROUGH AND KIND OF THINK THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND AS I'VE SAID, I THINK, CHRIS AND I KNOW I'VE SAID TO SEE MANY TIMES. PART OF THIS, TOO COMES DOWN TO WHAT COUNCIL ONCE AND YOU KNOW WHAT ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS RECOMMEND. WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT IN TERMS OF HOW EASY IT IS TO GET AWAY FROM? BECAUSE IF, IF CONSTRAINT CONSTRAINT SHOULD.MAKE IT FAIRLY HARD TO GET AWAY WITH HER. IN MY VIEW, AND THE QUESTION IS, THIS IS OF COURSE, BUILDING RELATED AND DO WE AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK STAFF IN A DEVELOPING A GOOD DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, WILL OFTEN LOOK AT THINGS AND YOU'LL COME UP WITH AND YOU'LL CALL THINGS THAT ARE CONDITIONS CONSTRAINTS. AS I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH FROM TIME TO TIME, AND SOMETIMES I'VE SWALLOWED THAT ANOTHER TIMES. I'VE SPOKEN UP BUT YOU KNOW, SO I WANT TO, BUT I THINK WE GO THROUGH THESE INSTANCES WHERE WE WHERE WE LOOKED AT AT WAIVER REQUESTS AND TURNS THEM DOWN AND GRANTED SOME. I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR US BECAUSE THEN WE COULD REALLY APPLY AND PRACTICALLY YEAH, I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR COUNCIL BUT KNOWING YOU KNOW, THE PLANS THAT ARE COUNCIL ADOPTED OUR CITY CODE. SO YOU KNOW, GOING BACK, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GET A WAIVER, YOU NEED ALL FOR THOSE CRITERIA TO BE MET. AND SO THAT MAKES FOR A VERY STRICT SORT OF TEST THAT HAS TO RUN THROUGH AND I THINK THAT WAS A VERY PURPOSEFUL THINGS SET UP. THE VILLAGE CENTER, OF COURSE, IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR STRICTEST ARCHITECTURAL SITE MATERIAL STANDARDS, AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THIS UPDATE IS NOT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOMEBODY TO NOT MEET THOSE STANDARDS. I THINK CERTAINLY WE WANT ALL THOSE TO BE MET. I THINK IT'S MORE FOR THE CONDITION OF WHERE THERE'S A GOOD DESIGN, BUT IT DOESN'T QUITE MEET OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO OUR POLICY IS STAFF WE TELL DEVELOPERS. THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ALWAYS SUPPORT GOOD DESIGN. YOU KNOW, NO CODE IS PERFECT, WHETHER IT'S A STRATEGIC PLAN OR A ZONING CODE. SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU SEE IT, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE THINGS. BUT WHAT WE FOUND AND YET WE CAN BRING BACK SOME OTHER EXAMPLES. IS THAT? YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY THEY NEED WAIVERS. AND I THINK THIS BOARD'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING LIKE WHAT IS GOOD DESIGN AND WHAT'S BAD DESIGN AND IMPROVING THOSE, BUT AT TIMES YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE HEARD, AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT IT CAN BE CHALLENGING FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE A GOOD DESIGN THAT DOESN'T QUITE MEET THE LETTER OF THE WALL, AND THAT'S ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS. I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY WHERE IT'S LIKE A SIGN THAT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE LARGER, YOU KNOW. IT'S LARGER NEEDS OF WAIVER THAN CODE ALLOWS. BUT IT FITS RIGHT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE EXISTING BUILDING CONDITIONS THAT JUST YOU KNOW, IT HAS A CERTAIN SPACE. IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT FITS INTO. AND SO THAT'S GOOD. I GUESS THAT'S AN EASY EXAMPLE OF A GOOD DESIGN. UM THAT WE'VE PROBABLY COME ACROSS A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, SO I THINK THAT'S OUR GENERAL GOLDEN 10 2 YEARS, THE TO NOT LESSEN THE STANDARDS OR THE TEST . BUT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SOME LEEWAY FOR THIS BOARD TO APPROVE GOOD DESIGN THAT MAY NOT CHECK ALL THE BOXES, BUT IT'S STILL MEETING THE GOALS AND INTENT OF OUR VILLAGE CENTER STRATEGIC PLAN IN OUR DESIGN. ONE EXAMPLE . I KNOW WE COULD PROBABLY BRING BACK AND HAVE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN. WE APPROVED IT. OTHERWISE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT I WAS PROVING IT WITH MY FINGERS CROSSED, AND THAT WAS THE BARN. ON THE CROSSROAD. THERE YOU GO BY, I THINK IS IT BY THE POLICE STATION? YEAH MARKET STREET AND YOU KNOW, AND THERE IT WAS HARD TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A
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CONSTRAINT. BUT BUT BECAUSE IT WAS HISTORIC BUILDING, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. I WAS WILLING TO KIND OF FUDGE. WHAT? AT LEAST IN MY MIND WHAT YOU KNOW, OKAY. MAYBE IT ISN'T A CONSTRAINT, BUT IT IS A CONDITION BECAUSE ITS HISTORIC BUILDING IN THAT CASE, THEN I WOULD HAVE FELT A LOT HAPPIER.ABOUT APPROVING IT WITH THE WORD CONDITION RATHER THAN CONSTRAIN. AH! THE OTHER THING THAT I GUESS WE CAN AGAIN. I'M JUST I'M JUST BRAINSTORMING HERE BECAUSE OF WHAT I THINK I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO DO IS COME BACK WITH THIS EXERCISE THAT I THINK ANDREW CAME UP WITH AND WORK THROUGH IT. BUT I WANT TO CONDITION. MAKES IT. MAKES THIS LESS LESS RIGOROUS TEST. AND SO THE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD AND THE BOARD AND ULTIMATELY FOR COUNCIL IS. IS IT POSSIBLE ONE CAN ALWAYS FIND THE CONDITION. IN WHICH CASE THIS ISN'T A CONSTRUCT. THIS IS NOT A TEST IT ALL WHERE HAS BEEN STRAINED, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND, OBVIOUSLY, GIVEN THAT THIS WORD CONDITION IS USED ELSEWHERE. THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE A RISK THAT WE THAT THE CITY HAS RUN GENERALLY, IN WHICH CASE MAYBE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM HERE. THAT'S MINE. YEAH SO I THINK JUST AND THIS IS REITERATING AND I APOLOGIZE HAVE BEEN RADIATING, SO I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PRESENT THAT EXERCISE FOR YOU GUYS, BUT I THINK WHAT'S DIFFERENT HERE? IS THAT YOU HAVE TO. YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO MEET THAT THIRD CRITERIA. YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE OTHER THREE SO SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND PRESENT A VALID BUILDING CONDITION OR A SITE CONDITION OR SOME OTHER CONDITIONS THEY'RE EXPERIENCING. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE OTHER THREE, IT'S STILL GROUNDS TO DENY THE APPLICATION AND OBVIOUSLY A IS THE ONE THAT YOU GUYS IF. YOU'RE GONNA IF IT DOESN'T MEET A FOR YOU GUYS, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY NO, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT. B IS ALSO THE SAME THING A AND B IS WHAT I VIEW AS YOU'RE A REAL GATEKEEPER. UM THE ALTHOUGH I GUESS THERE IS ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY BE ONE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ONE WHERE THE EXAMPLE BEING THE ROOF SIGN AT BROOD ON UM, THAT'S THE ONE I WAS. YEAH THAT WAS THAT A WAIVER. THAT WAS A WAIVER, OF COURSE OF SCIENCE. SO THIS IS GOING TO IMPLICATE THE SIGN CODE FOR US TO NOT JUST THE BUILDING GIRL, BUT THE SCIENCE CODE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE IN MY IN MY VIEW, I THOUGHT THAT THE ROOF DIDN'T MEET. COULD NOT BE SEE OR BE. AND I THINK, YEAH, I PERSUADED MANY OTHERS HERE WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN INCLINED TO SAY YES THAT IT DIDN'T MEET BE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO SEE HOW YOU CAN MEET THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD WHEN THE STANDARD WAS DON'T HAVE ONE. UM AND SO I COULDN'T SEE HOW GOOD JOB SHOWING. NO. AND OF COURSE, THE OTHER EXAMPLE THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNS WAS DOG IS, I THINK WE ALL KIND OF THINK THAT'S PRETTY COOL BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE. WE LOVED THE IDEA. THE IDEA OF BRUTAL ARE COMING. BUT AS I'VE SAID TO STAFF WE HAVE APPROVED OF SILENCE. SO RUDOLPH MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION AND THERE'S FIRM FANNIES FITNESS GOES IN THAT SCIENCE GONNA SAY FROM FAMILY AND SO WE'VE APPROVED THAT MAYBE WE FEEL FINE WITH THAT. BUT THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT FEEL LATER GRAPHIC EXAMPLE OVER THERE IS FIRM FANTASY, YOU KNOW. YEAH I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION OF THE FIRM FANNIE, UH, SCENARIO WITH ANY WAIVER IN SOME WAY, I THINK DISCUSSING INTERNALLY LIKE OPTION TWO. YOU KNOW, WE FELT ADDING IN THE WORD BUILDING TAKES IN TO ACCOUNT SIGNAGE. I GUESS SCENARIOS AND WE THINK IT'S SORT OF CLEARLY SHOWS LIKE BEING TENT OF, YOU KNOW, SO SITE COULD BE VIEWED AS EVER INTERPRETED AS BEING HOLISTIC, AND I THINK THAT'S HOW WE VIEWED IT AS STAFF. BUT VIEWING IT SAY THAT SPECIFIC SITE AS IN LIKE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN BUILDING AS AS IN WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE GROUND CONDITIONS. I THINK CONDITIONS IS STILL FINE TO AS CHRIS MENTIONED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN USED IN VARIOUS APPLICATIONS FOR MANY YEARS. SO THAT WE FEEL THAT'S SORT OF LIKE A I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S LIKE A HAPPY MIDDLE GROUND. IT'S A GOOD OFFER THAT THE BUILDING SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OR CONSTRAINTS. DOES SEEM TO ME TO BE AN APPROPRIATE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE. YOU'RE RIGHT SITE CAN BE UNDERSTOOD TO INCLUDE ALL ASPECTS OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING BUILDING BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS EXPLICIT AND DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING BACK TO YOUR BRUTAL
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EXAMPLE, I MEAN THE BUILDING ITSELF. CAST. A LONG SHADOW OVER THE SITE CONDITIONS MORE SO THAN THE SITE ITSELF. IN THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, UM SO MY JUST SINCE I PROBABLY THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. MY INITIAL RESPONSE IS I TEND TO AGREE THAT THE INCLUSION OF BUILDING WOULD WOULD CREATE SOME POTENTIAL LATITUDE FOR US TO DEBATE BEYOND JUST THE SITE CONSTRAINTS THEMSELVES. BUT I APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO KIND OF KEEP A LID ON IT IF YOU WILL. BY THE WAY, SHOULD IT BE ASK YOU THIS ONE, TOO. MR. REID, WOULD IT BE? BUILDING HYPHEN SPECIFIC OR IS IT? DOES IT MATTER? IS IT IS IT A IS IT SEMANTICS ISSUE ON THIS, OR IS IT A LEGAL COUNSEL, WHETHER WE SHOULD HYPHENATE IT OR NOT, AND I GUESS BUILDING WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS IF SOMEBODY IS PROPOSING A NEW BUILDING. DOES THAT ALLOW THEM TO DESIGN IT SO THAT THEY CAN ONLY DO IT THIS WAY BECOME EXISTING BUILDING DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO BE AN EXISTING AS A RESULT, SO THAT SOMEBODY CAN BASICALLY DESIGN THEMSELVES A WAIVER. WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING , BECAUSE THEN WE ALWAYS HAVE JUST SPEAKING FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL POINT OF VIEW.EXISTING CONDITIONS. IS IT HEAVY TERM? IT MATTERS LEGALLY AND OTHERWISE. AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME TO THAT TERM, I WOULD SAY, HISTORICALLY, WE'VE INTERPRETED NECESSARY TO THE UNUSUAL SITE SPECIFIC CONSTRAINTS. THAT SITE MEANS BOTH DEVELOPED AND UNDEVELOPED. SO SOMETIMES FOR THE SITE, ITS ITS SHAPE, IT DOESN'T QUITE MEET MINIMUM AREA , FOR EXAMPLE, GETTING RID OF THE DOOR ON THE END. MY CONCLUSION THERE WAS THAT THAT WASN'T A VERY WIDE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WAS THE IT WASN'T A WIDE BUILDING THAT MADE ME IT MADE SENSE TO ME TO GET RID, SO I ACTUALLY APPLIED THE PACIFIC SIDE BUILDING THEM MYSELF. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PRESUMABLY THE LOT TOO BIG ENOUGH, BUT THE BUILDING WAS RIGHT. SO IN IT UM THAT WOULD WHEN WE LOOK AT I AGREE WITH NUMBER TWO IS THE BEST OF THESE SOLUTIONS. I THINK THE THIRD IS FAR TOO OPEN. AND I THINK THAT PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY AND ROLE IS OF THIS GROUP IS TO CONTROL AND MANAGE. TO THE APPROPRIATENESS OF WHAT WE WANT IN NEW ALBANY. UM, AND THAT. IF WE LOOK FORWARD, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT GOING ON. IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH INTEL AND OTHER THINGS AND DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO COME AND DO X Y AND Z. I THINK WE WANT ALWAYS WANT TO PRESERVE OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL BUT NOT SO DRACONIAN THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T COME IN AND DO A PROJECT WITH US. I THINK NUMBER TWO GIVES US A LITTLE ATTITUDE. WHETHER IT'S BUILDING OR SITE, WHICH IS GOOD , AND IT'S BROAD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO SAY YES, WE KNOW WE OPENED IT UP TOO MUCH. WELL, THIS FALLS IN AND THIS FALLS IN PRETTY SOON. IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING FALLS IN.
AND THEN YOU LOSE A LITTLE MORE OF THE COUNTRY. I AGREE. YEAH I THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING INTERNALLY, UM WE ALSO AGREED THE OPTION TO JUST KIND OF SEEMED THAT BUILDING DID SEEM TO BE THAT KIND OF A LOGICAL AD. IT WAS JUST MISSING FROM THE CONSIDERATIONS. I THINK THE TESTS STILL SEEMS TO BE AS FOR THIS BOARD AND PERHAPS FOR OTHERS. THERE'S A GOOD, THOUGHTFUL SOLUTION. THAT WE WANT TO APPROVE FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS BUT WERE EITHER UNABLE OR HESITANT TO DO SO BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE YOU KNOW THE CODE AND I'M JUST BEING GENERAL WHEN I SAY THAT, SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH ANY TWEAK THAT WOULD JUST ALLOW FOR THAT ADDITIONAL DISCRETION IF IT REALLY DOES CHECK EVERY OTHER BOX AND EVERY OTHER CRITERIA BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WE DO STILL WANT TO KEEP IT. SOME DEGREE OF DISCRETION ON EVERYBODY'S PART THAT JUST THIS BOARD, BUT THE FATHER FATHER COMMISSIONS AND GIVEN THE CONDITION IS USED ELSEWHERE. THAT WAS MY MAIN MAIN CONCERN, BECAUSE I WONDERED WHETHER OR NOT CONDITIONED WAS SO. SO OFTEN TERM. THAT IF WE TURN SOMEBODY DOWN, WE WEREN'T POTENTIALLY REPEAT, REVERSIBLE IN COURT BECAUSE. THERE'S ALWAYS REALLY EVERY EVERY PARCEL OF REAL ESTATE IS UNIQUE. AND SO ARE WE BEING ARBITRARY BY SAYING NO. THAT BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS RUNNING THAT REST WITH EACH WAIVER STATUTES IT CONDITION IS USED EVERYWHERE ELSE. WE AREN'T GONNA PRESENT THE CITY WITH A BIGGER PROBLEM. UM. SO I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT MAYBE YOU COME BACK TO WITH WITH SOME EXERCISES WITH PAST ONES WHERE WE LOOKED AT IT SO WE CAN APPLY THEM BECAUSE I THINK APPLYING THEM WITH YOU
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KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 20. BUT IF WE HAVE 43 OR FOUR OF THE BETTER EXAMPLES WE CAN JUST LOOK THROUGH OR YOU COULD WORK YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH. UM AND SECONDLY, I'D LOVE TO GET THIS LANGUAGE, MAYBE BY EMAIL SO THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OFFSITE. UM SURE, WE CAN JUST PLAY WITH IT OURSELVES FOR THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO DO THAT.AND THEN THE FINAL COMMENT IS I'M GOING TO MISS NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE REGROUP, I WOULD I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE DO THAT IN NOVEMBER. BUT I AM AT. HOWEVER, THE BOARDS DISCRETION IF THEY WANT TO DO IT NEXT MONTH. WHEN I'M NOT HERE, I WON'T FIGURE IT OUT. WE CAN'T YEAH, BUT IT COULD ALSO TABLE WITH STAFF COULD PUT IT ON THE BUT MR HENSON MAY WANT TO MIGHT NEED A MONTH OR 22 MONTHS TO LOOK FOR SOME GOOD EXAMPLES ANYWAYS AND ANALYZE THEM. SO THAT MIGHT WORK OUT WELL, ANYWAYS, AND MAYBE MAYBE EVEN SURPRISE US WITH ONE YEAR I GO BACK AND FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME INTERESTING ONES THAT GO BACK. I THINK THE BARN WOULD BE A GOOD ONE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT'S ONE OF THE COMES UP WITH THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO GO BACK AND FIND OTHER ONES. GO BACK A WAYS. I'LL SLEEP ON THAT THE OTHER ONE. THE OTHER ONE THAT SPECIFICALLY COMES TO MIND. I THINK MAYBE FRANCIS REMEMBERS THIS ONE. THERE WAS THE ASPHALT DRIVEWAY ONE WHERE WE TURNED IT DOWN. AND SO THE QUESTION WAS.
WOULD THIS LANGUAGE MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO TURN IT DOWN, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO PROVE IT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT MIGHT BE ONE WHERE WE IT WAS A CONCRETE. IT WAS CONCRETE. NOW THAT'S WHAT THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ONE. YEAH, WE TURNED THAT ONE DOWN. AND IT WAS HARD TO FIND. WE COULDN'T FIND A CONSTRAINT THERE, BUT WOULD IT WOULD WE HAVE BEEN ON THIN ICE THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A CONDITION. SO I THINK IF WE JUST WORK THROUGH THAT ONE IN WHAT EVIDENCE FRONT OF US AGAIN YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE TWO GOOD EXAMPLES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE MOVING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK AT THE END WILL AT THE END IF WE DECIDE NOT TO DO ANYTHING, WHICH I'M NOT THINKING THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING, BUT THEN, THEN THEY NEED TO BE A WHOLE LOT MORE HARD AS ON THIS ONE OTHERWISE WILL BE WILLING TO MAKE IT. LOOK WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SUPPORTS WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO. WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR? GETTING THIS INTO THERE. IS THERE. THAT TIME FRAME OR YOU JUST SO WE HAVE NO SET TIME FRAME. I MEAN, WE KNOW WE HAVE UPCOMING APPLICATIONS THERE, MAYBE WAIVERS THAT COULD IMPACT IT BASED ON THE BOARDS OF YOU, BUT OTHERWISE I DON'T THINK IN ME FOR A MOMENT, CRYSTAL. THERE'S NO TRUE CONSTRAINTS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO WORKSHOP THIS AND THEN THE APPROVAL PROCESS IS GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL FOR A CODE UPDATE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM WORD MEMBERS.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND THOUGHTS TONIGHT. USE FOCUS. I THINK WHAT WE'LL GET. WE'LL GET THIS ONE. AND IF ANYBODY THINKS OF ANY OTHER GOOD EXAMPLES BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER, JUST LET US KNOW WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, LIKE. DIG THOSE UP AND TAKE A LOOK THROUGH THIS. BE NO OTHER ISSUES DO HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. SOME MOVED YOUR 2ND 2ND. MR METALLICS? YES MR STRONG? YES. MR BROWN? YES. MISS MOORE. MR BIDEN? YES THANK
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