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ALRIGHT I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER SEPTEMBER 15TH 2022 FOR THE ROCKET FOR BLACK LIKE ACCORD. START OFF BY CALLING THE WORLD CALL. HERE. HERE. HERE. HERE. HERE. GREAT.
[III. Record of Proceedings]
SO WE HAVE A QUORUM TONIGHT. I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FOR SOME REASON. YOU WEREN'T HERE AT THE LAST MINUTE. PLEASE JUST ANSWER BY ABSTAINING. SO, UM IF ANYBODY HAS, UM ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MEETING MINUTES. 2ND 2ND, OKAY? GO AHEAD AND CALL ROLL CALL. UM MR JESUIT. OKAY? BONNIE ABSTAIN. MR BRUBAKER? YES. MR CHAPPELLE EAR. MR HERSHKOWITZ? YES. MISTER HARPER. MR PAUL? YES MR SMITHERS? YES. OKAY? UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. NO, OKAY. ALRIGHT[V. New Business]
SO WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH NEW BUSINESS. AND THIS IS AN APPLICATION. UM FOR REZONING.THE APPLICATION NUMBER IS CEDES THE C C Z SEE THAT 104-20 TO THE HAMLET AT SUGAR RUN. BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THIS. WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A NEW PROCESS HERE, TOO. HOPEFULLY, UM. GOES ALONG WITH OTHER COMMITTEES AND BOARDS . BUT ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC AUDIENCE THAT'S GOING TO BE WISHING TO SPEAK. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE HIS STAND. AT THIS POINT. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT GIVEN ALL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STAFF GO AHEAD AND PRESENT. THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. SO THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION FOR 32.6 ACRES OUTLINED IN RED HERE. SO THIS IS CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD AND STATE ROUTE 605. THE APPLICATION IS TO REASON PROPERTY FROM OUR ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CITY, NEW ALBANY. ALL PROPERTIES ARE ZONED R ONE TO APPEAR D TO ALLOW FOR A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND SENIOR USES, SO JUST REAL QUICK ABOUT THE OVERALL PUBLIC PROCESS , SO WE'RE AT THE ROCK BEFORE BLACK LIQUOR ACCORD TODAY AS PART OF THE REZONING, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. THE NEXT STEP IS THE NEW ALBANY PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN ULTIMATELY , BOTH THESE BOARDS THIS HEARING GAME PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN, UH, SINCE THIS IS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT REZONING, THERE IS ACTUALLY A ANOTHER ROUND OF PUBLIC REVIEW. AND IF THIS REZONING IS APPROVED, AND THAT'S A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND SO TONIGHT . THIS REZONING IS TECHNICALLY A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THIS IS JUST A GENERAL SITE SCHEMATIC TO SHOW THE GENERAL OUTLINE OF ROADS AND OPEN SPACES AND DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND ITS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT POINT THAT IS THE MORE DETAILED DELINEATION FOR THINGS LIKE GRADING AND ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE. AND SO THE CITY'S ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THOSE FUTURES IN MIDDLES ONCE AND AFTER THIS REZONING IS APPROVED, AND THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING MEASURES HERE, SO THIS IS JUST A MORE DETAILED OF WHAT? OUTLINE OF WHAT EACH BOARD LOOKS LIKE, SO THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO US SUBMITTING OR COMPLETING AND SUBMITTING A TRAFFIC STUDY. THIS BOARD DOES NOT REVIEW TRAFFIC UNDER ITS BYLAWS THAT'S REVIEWED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION IN CITY COUNCIL. SO WE HAVE ALLOWED THIS APPLICATION TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT AND THEN OTHERWISE, IT'S ALL THE SAME BETWEEN THIS, ACCORDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, EXCEPT FOR NATURAL FEATURES, THE ROCKY FORD BLACK CLIP ACCORD CALLS OUT CERTAIN STREAMS THAT INCLUDES THE SUGAR RYAN WITHIN THIS REZONING AREA FOR SETBACKS STANDARDS. SO HERE'S THE OVERALL UM, SUB AREA PLAN, SO THE OVERALL 32.6 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
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THIS IS A HAMLET STYLE WITH DEVELOPMENT. SO WHEN THE ACCORD WAS FIRST ADOPTED, THIS WAS AN IDEA THAT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC PROCESS AS PART OF THE NEW ALBANY AND CITY OF COLUMBUS AND SO A HAMLET. WAS A RELATIVELY SMALL MIXTURE OF USES ON THAT CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC POINTS. AND SO WHEN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY REVISED AND UPDATED ITS STRATEGIC PLAN IN 2021, IT REVIVED THIS HAMLET CONCEPT. AND SO IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT BACK IN 2021. YOU MIGHT. THIS MIGHT LOOK FAMILIAR BECAUSE THIS DID BECOME BEFORE THE BOARD. I BELIEVE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND SO IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL HERE AND AT THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. HOWEVER THE NEW ALBANY CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE APPLICATION AND ORDERED FOR CITY STAFF TO UPDATE THE CITY NEW ALBANY CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND SO IT'S THE SAME CRITERIA REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE ACCORD. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE NEW ALBANY STANDARDS THAT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE NEW ALBANY IS PREDOMINANTLY A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION TYPE COMMUNITY, AND WE JUST HAVE STANDARDS IN PLACE.BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT AT THE TIME, UM, TO REGULATE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, AND SO SINCE THIS TIME WE'VE UPDATED OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. UM AND SO THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, THIS REVISED WOULD SAY SLIGHTLY REVISED PLAN HERE TO REFLECT THE CITY'S NEW STANDARDS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A MIXED JUICE DEVELOPMENT. IT IS THIS HAMLET STYLE THAT IS WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED BY THE ACCORD, SO THE SUB AREAS ARE JUST TO DENOTE WHERE THE MIXTURE OF USES TAKE PLACE. UM SO HERE IS SUGAR RUN THROUGH THE MIDDLE HERE, SO THIS IS AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. UH SUB AREA. ONE IS A COMMERCIAL AREA AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THIS READY AREA HERE. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A TRANSITIONAL ZONE. AND THAT'S TO ALLOW FOR A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WITHIN THIS AREA HERE TO CREATE A TRUE WHAT WE CALL VERTICAL MIXED USE. SO IT BE RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN POTENTIALLY APARTMENTS OR MAYBE OFFICE SPACES ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN THE REST OF THE SUB AREAS. UM TO THE EAST . THIS WOULD BE ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR TOWN HOMES ARE HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF IT HERE THAT GIVES THE BREAKDOWN OF THE UNITS. SO RESIDENTIAL ALONG 605, A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND THEN COMMERCIAL LONG CENTRAL COLLEGE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 605 . THIS IS ALSO A MIXTURE OF TOWN HOME AND DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND THEN IN SOME AREA FIVE THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SUGAR RUN CREEK HERE.
THIS UM, ALLOWS FOR, UM, SENIOR CARE SO 55 OLDER COMMUNITIES OR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR TOWN HOMES OR DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HAS SHOWN HERE AS WELL. BUT THE PLAN COMMITS TO DEDICATE THE STREETS AS SHOWN HERE, SO NEW EAST WEST CONNECTION. THAT ALIGNS WITH THE ENCLAVE SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST AND THEN THIS THROUGH ROAD THAT CONNECTS CENTRAL COLLEGE TO 605 HERE, THE TEXT DOES COMMIT TO PUBLICLY DEDICATING ALL THE STREETS AND ALLEYS WITHIN THIS HAMLET DEVELOPMENT AND SO OVERALL AS FAR AS DENSITY GOES THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS 100 AND 80 EIGHT'S ON THIS 32.6 UNITS ARE ON THOSE 32.6 ACRE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT EQUATES TO 5.76 UNITS PER ACRE. AND SO THE ACCORD PLAN RECOMMENDS A MAX DENSITY OF SIX UNITS PER ACRE. WHAT STRICT ADHERENCE AND HAS A BASE DENSITY OF THREE UNITS AND THEN THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WAS ALSO ENDORSED BY THE ACCORD. AH UM, RECOMMENDS A MAX DENSITY OF SIX UNITS. SO THIS IS MEETING AND SLIGHTLY UNDER THE RECOMMENDED DENSITIES OF BOTH PLANS. AND THEN, IN ADDITION TO A COMMITMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL THE TEXT ALSO COMMITS TO PROVIDING A MINIMUM COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 47,500 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S A EQUIVALENT OF 252 SQUARE FEET PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT, WHICH IS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION OF THE NEW ALBANY PLAN. AND THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT WE GET A TRUE MIXED USE WITHIN THIS, UH, HAMLET DEVELOPMENT. HERE SO AGAIN MAXIMUM OF 188 UNITS. THE TEXT DOES ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE THE DENSITY CAN OCCUR, BUT IT DOES COMMIT FOR AN OVERALL DENSITY ON THE WHOLE SIDE. THAT GOES NO MORE THAN SIX UNITS PER ACRE. SO THE PLANETS OR THE LOCATION OF THIS PLANE IS LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DISTRICT OUTLINED HERE IN THE ACCORD PLAN , AND IT WAS EVALUATED UNDER THE TOWN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
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THE HAMLETS STANDARDS ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE ACCORD, UH, DOCUMENT ITSELF. AND THEN FOR THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT ZONE, AS IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED IN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. SO OVERALL, THE DEVELOPMENT IS MEETING ALL OR COMMITS TO MEET THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. ADDITIONALLY IT IS MEETING A IT SCORES AND 90% ON THE SCORECARD FOR THE ACCORD. SO THE DEVELOPMENT UM. ABILITY ACCORD AND THE AND THE NEW ALBANY SHOULD TEACH PLAN. BOTH ENVISION THIS HAMLET CONCEPT WITHIN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO THE GOALS AND THE INTENT IS TO CREATE A WALKABLE MIXED USE MASTER PLAN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S CONNECTED INTO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND INTEGRATES OPEN SPACE NETWORKS IN THIS CASE, SUGAR RUN SO IT APPEARS TO BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON ITS LOCATION ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN RECOMMENDATION AND AS A TRANSITIONAL AREA WITHIN THIS AREA OF NEW ALBANY. SO UH, THESE HAMLETS STANDARDS RECOGNIZED THE PRINCIPLES OF, UM OF MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AND HOLISTIC DESIGN, WHICH IS THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. ALWAYS ENCOURAGES, AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.ALRIGHT ANYBODY ELSE FROM STAFF? NO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL START OFF WITH GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. AARON DID YOU WANT TO GO FOR SURE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AARON UNDERHILL OF UNDER PHILIP HAJJ ATTORNEY REPRESENTING SPINER, THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT. UM STEVE UM. PROBABLY WONDERING WHY WE'RE HERE AGAIN. UM BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD. WE BEGAN THIS PICKUP FILING ORIGINALLY FOR THE FIRST PLAN WAS IN APRIL OF 21. QUITE AN ODYSSEY SINCE THEN. UH WE DID IN FACT, UH, RIGHT AFTER THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC FAMILIES ADOPTED, OUR GROUP JUMPED ON THIS OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY THIS LOCATION AND GIVEN THE AMENITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE OUR VILLAGE CENTER, BUT THAT PART OF TOWN UP THERE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY, UM COMPARABLE IN TERMS OF OFFERING RECREATIONAL AND DINING OPPORTUNITIES AND SOME SOME SERVICE. YOU KNOW THERE'S RESIDENTIAL UP THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE FEEL JUST AS THE PLAN DOES THAT MIX OF USES HERE IS APPROPRIATE. AND SO WE, OF COURSE, GARNERED YOUR SUPPORT INITIALLY AND ALSO GOT THE SUPPORT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHEN WE GOT THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK, UM YOU KNOW, THERE WAS RECOGNITION THAT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WAS IN FACT WORK WHILE I THINK THAT WASN'T ACROSS THE BOARD. ADMITTEDLY, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY MAY BE STILL DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT, BUT IN THE END, IT WAS DECIDED THAT THEY HAD NOT. THE CITY HAD NOT UPDATED THEIR CODE. IN A WAY THAT REALLY ACCOMMODATED A PROJECT LIKE THIS, AND SO THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WERE DEVIATING FROM THAT WOULD BE TRADITIONALLY APPLIED IN THE ALBANY. FOR INSTANCE, UM YOU KNOW IF YOU APPLY THE OPEN SPACE IN PARKLAND REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY CODE REQUIRES TO A PROJECT LIKE THIS. YOU ESSENTIALLY THE WHOLE PROJECT GETS EATEN UP. BY THE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SUBURBAN STYLE CODE. THAT IT REALLY DIDN'T LEND ITSELF TO APPLYING IT DIRECTLY TO THIS PROJECT, SO RATHER THAN A POLITICAL PLAN, THE CITY DECIDED TO UNDERTAKE A SEVERAL MONTH PROCESS. UM, ACTUALLY FROM 78 MONTHS TOGETHER TO REALLY COME TOGETHER ON SOME NEW STANDARDS TO BE AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND TO UPDATE SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS UM, AND TO MAKE THEM MORE SPECIFIC TO A HAMLET ENVIRONMENTS SUCH AS HOW YOU OPEN SPACE AND PARKLAND SHOULD WORK, WHICH IS WHAT I'LL GET INTO HERE SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT PLAN . IN TERMS OF DENSITY. WE'VE TRIED TO GET TO A POINT AND WORKING WITH THE CITY WHERE WE'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WAS VITAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THE COMMERCIAL SO WE WOULD HAVE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THAT WITH FREQUENT THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, IN ADDITION TO EMPLOYEES IN THE AREA AND SO WE'VE BEEN VERY MINDFUL OF AT LEAST GETTING TO A MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY HERE THAT WE THINK IS VIABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE OTHER USES. SO WITH THAT. THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF SORT OF THE CHARACTER IMAGES THAT ARE INSPIRING THIS PROJECT. WE'LL GET INTO THOSE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL LATER. UM SO THAT WAS THEN. THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE ACCORD AND THE
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PLANNING COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY AND SEE IF I GET THIS RIGHT. WHERE IS MY AH, HERE WE GO. THIS WAS THE BIG BIG POINT OF CONTENTION. I THINK THE LAST TIME AROUND WITH HIS 280 APARTMENT UNITS AND UM FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. I THINK, UM, UH , YOU KNOW, LOCATE LOCATION. WAS IT APPROPRIATE LOCATED ON THE STREET? THE MASSING OF THAT BUILDING, ETCETERA. WE FELT LIKE WE WERE BRINGING SOME SOLUTIONS TO KIND OF MITIGATE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT ULTIMATELY YOU KNOW THE COUNCIL, I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY REMAIN DRIVING FACTOR BEHIND. BUT BEHIND THEIR DENIAL AND THIS APPROVAL, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS I MENTIONED ABOUT THE CODE REALLY NOT BEING, UH CALL UP TO SPEED THE PLAN. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE OLD ONE. THIS IS NOW THE PLAN THAT SHOWN IN THE UPDATED STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU CAN SEE IN PARTICULAR THAT, UP HERE WE NOW HAVE TOWN HOMES INSTEAD OF MULTI FAMILY. I'M GOING TO GET INTO SOME MORE NUMBERS LATER ON. UM BUT YOU CAN JUST TELL BY THE PUTTING BACK AND FORTH HERE BRIEFLY THAT ESPECIALLY UP IN THAT NORTHEASTERN AREA. UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE. SO OUR PLAN IN PARTICULAR, UM LARGELY MIRRORS WHAT THE ENGAGED NORMANDY STRATEGIC PLAN. CALLS FOR BOTH INTERNAL WE KNOW. AND STEVE MENTIONED THAT WE'RE MEETING ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT WERE JUST APPROVED AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLANS. HAMLET STANDARDS UPDATE. EITHER ARE OR WILL MEET THEM THROUGH CONDITIONS. AND, UM AH, YOU'RE PREVIOUSLY WE MET 11 OUT OF 12 AND WE STILL GOT TURNED DOWN SO BUT OUR GOAL HAS BEEN TO, UM REALLY GIVE THE CITY WHAT IT'S RECOMMENDING AND LOOKING FOR HIM AS A ZONING ATTORNEY. HE REPRESENTS A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS. IT'S ALWAYS MUSIC TO MY EARS WHEN MY CLIENT WANTS TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I'M GIVING THE COMMUNITY OR AT LEAST THE COMMUNITY LEADERS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD TO BRING THIS FOURTH TODAY. UM SUB AREA ONE IS GOING TO CONSIST OF BASICALLY, UM RETAIL COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT USES, UM YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OVER HERE TO THE WEST. THIS IS COLUMBUS. THIS IS THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN COLUMBUS AND NEW ALBANY. WE'VE GOT THE TACO BELL. WE'VE GOT THE BANK DOWN THERE ARE BS AND YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE GOT SOME EXISTING COMMERCIAL HERE. WE FELT THIS MOST APPROPRIATE TO LOCATE THE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO THAT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE MADE OUR ORIGINAL. AS ONI, UM, APPLICATION LAST YEAR. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE FAST FOOD DRIVE THROUGHS. UM SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER TALKING ABOUT SORT OF USE THERE. NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR PICKUP WINDOWS , WHICH WOULD BE THE SORT OF ORDER AHEAD. THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE THESE DAYS WHERE YOU CAN ORDER ONLINE AND COME AND JUST PICK IT UP. AH, AT A WINDOW.WE'VE ALLOWED THAT AND WE WOULD ALLOW SOME PICKUPS FOR COFFEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THE INTENT IS NOT TO BRING ANOTHER FAST FOOD RESTAURANT HERE ON THIS PIECE. OVER HERE WE HAVE, UM, COUNT WITH REQUIREMENT THAT TOWN HOMES WILL LINE THE FRONTAGE IS HERE. UH WE, UM, WE PLAN ON SOME MORE TOWN HOMES BACK HERE, BUT WE WANT TO LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY OF MIXING IN SOME, POSSIBLY SOME SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY SHOWN ON THIS PLANET IS PRELIMINARY. AND THEN ALSO AS STEVE MENTIONED MAYBE SOME SOME FLATS THAT THAT WOULD BE ABOVE RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL IN THAT TRANSITION ZONE. I'M SORRY. RESTAURANT AND RETAIL IN THAT TRANSITION ZONE, BUT OUR GOAL HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE . HOPEFULLY IF WE GET APPROVAL THIS TIME AROUND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A REALLY INTERESTING AREA TO PLAN AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW WHICH DOESN'T COME TO THIS GROUP. IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION FUNCTION IN THE CITY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY SEE ESPECIALLY IN THESE AREAS NORTH OF THE CREEK. MULTIPLE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS COME THROUGH OVER TIME TO, YOU KNOW. THESE USERS WILL PROBABLY COME IN SOMEWHAT PIECEMEAL. UM BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER IS GOING TO MEET THE ROAD IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, FINALIZING SITE PLANS, ETCETERA. OVER ON THE EAST SIDE SUB AREA THREE IS BASICALLY MORE OF THE SAME REQUIREMENT THE FRONT TOWN HOMES ON THE MAJOR STREET FRONTAGE IS WE DO HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME SHOWN BACK HERE, UM, ALL THESE STREETS AND ALLEYS. WE STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT WITH REALLY CALLING SOME OF THESE ALLEYS BECAUSE THEY SERVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. SOME SERVE A REAR LOADING UNITS.
SOME OF THE SOME ALSO, MAYBE HAVE SOME FRONTAGE ALONG, YOU KNOW, OR FRONT ON SOME BUILDING TYPES, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DETAILS TO WORK OUT IN TERMS OF STREETSCAPES, ETCETERA WHEN THAT COMES THROUGH WITH THE FINAL PLAN WHOOPS. AH AS WE MOVE TO SUB AREA FOR THIS
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HAS ALWAYS BEEN REALLY DEFINING ELEMENT OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS THIS LARGE GREEN SPACE THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF IT PRESERVES THE CREEK. AND, UH, WE BELIEVE WILL BE ABLE TO ENHANCE THE GREEK AH, REALLY MAKE IT AN AMENITY FOR NOT ONLY THIS COMMUNITY BUT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND OUR EXPECTATION. THIS IS ULTIMATELY BE APART PUBLIC PARK. UM AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME EXCITEMENT AND SYNERGY THAT CAN BE CREATED BY EXTENDING THIS. LOOK AT THIS SPECIFIC GREEN SPACE THAT WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE AND IT IS RECOMMENDED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN CONNECTING THAT THERE AND HAVING SOME REAL NICE EVENTS AND ABILITIES TO HAVE GATHERINGS AND FESTIVALS AND THINGS, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A REAL REAL DEFINING ELEMENT OF THIS PROJECT. AREA FIVE HERE, UM. WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING THAT UH, WE THOUGHT WAS A GREAT USE HERE, GIVEN ITS LOCATION. AH! WE'VE SHOWN ON HERE AN ALTERNATIVE WITH SOME SOME RESIDENCES. THIS COULD STILL GO. EITHER WAY. WE THINK THE MARKET PROBABLY DRIVEN BY THE PANDEMICS. FOR THE ASSISTED LIVING IS NOT AS STRONG AS IT ONCE WAS. WE INTEND TO STILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO LEAVE OUR OPTIONS OPEN. PROVIDE SOME RESIDENTIAL DOWN HERE INSTEAD. THIS IS JUST AN OVERALL VIEW OF THIS THE GREATEST QUALITY DRAWING, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE DATA ON THE LEFT PROPOSING 188 UNITS. 40 OF WHICH WOULD BE MULTI FAMILY AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT THOSE TO BE FLAT UNIT DESCRIBED £116 HOMES AND 32 SINGLE FAMILY.GIVING US THAT DENSITY. WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE CURRENT PLAN VERSUS THE UPDATED STRATEGIC PLAN. I THINK, UM YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES HERE AND HOW WE'VE LAID THIS OUT. THAT WAS VERY INTENTIONAL. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT DIFFERS BUT WE'RE GETTING STAFF SUPPORT FOR US, LEAVING OPEN THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS BEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS, BUT THAT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY. UM. AND HERE AGAIN A DIRECT COMPARISON TO THE CURRENT PLAN. VERSUS, UH THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED PLAN. HERE.
THE MAJOR ELEMENT THAT'S MISSING BEING AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE AND ALSO POINT OUT YOU'LL NOTE HERE. THIS IS IMPORTANT PART. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT AND ACQUIRE THESE PARCELS HERE, WHICH WERE SORT OF OUTLIERS LAST TIME AND WE WERE TRYING TO PLAN AROUND THEM. NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, OVER ON THIS SIDE, WE'VE INTEGRATED THAT INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS MUCH BETTER TO BE ABLE TO COMPREHENSIVELY PLAN AND DEVELOP RATHER THAN THAT HAVE COME IN LATER, SO THAT'S A THAT'S A REAL POSITIVE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA THAT SHOW YOU COMPARISON OF 21 2021 APPROVED PROPOSAL BY THE ACCORD. STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATES IN OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL, UM YOU CAN SEE THE ACREAGE IS SLIGHTLY MORE NOW LARGELY DUE TO THE TRACKS POINTED OUT THAT WE'VE ACQUIRED UM, STRATEGIC PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY DEFINE AN ACREAGE. BASICALLY DESIGNATED DESIGNATION AREAS WHERE IN AS BEING APPROPRIATE FOR HIM AND DEVELOPMENT. PROBABLY OF IMPORTANCE TO MOST PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. IS THIS LINE RIGHT HERE? UM DENSITIES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, UM, CALCULATED IN THE HAMLET BASED ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE ACREAGE IN THE PROJECTS. THAT INCLUDES THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, BUT 340 UNITS ORIGINALLY WE'RE DOWN TO 1, 88 OR EVEN LESS THAN WHAT THE COMMUNITY OR THE STRATEGIC PLAN CALLS FOR NOW, SO A MAJOR DIFFERENCE THERE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS. UM PREVIOUSLY ON THE COMMERCIAL PART OF THIS, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY DEFINE A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT WAS ALL DRIVEN BY HOW MUCH MAXIMUM COVERAGE THERE WAS OF A SUB AREA. WHAT THE SETBACKS WERE WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT WAS SO HARD TO REALLY DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS. BUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AT THE UM CAME TO THAT. START PUTTING THIS ONE DWELLING UNIT WOULD REQUIRE 200 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES, AND WE ENTER, IN FACT, SEATED THAT WITH ONE BLOWING UNIT FOR 252 SQUARE FEET YOU KNOW, WE WILL CERTAINLY MEET THE MINIMUM AND THIS IS WHERE WE BELIEVE WE ARE NOW I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THIS NUMBER COULD BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN THE END, BASED ON MARKET WITH THE MARKET DOES IN TERMS OF BRINGING US COMMERCIAL OR WHAT TYPE IT IS. WE WILL MEET THE MINIMUM. MULTI FAMILY, WHICH SEEMED TO BE THE BIG ISSUE THE LAST TIME AROUND WITH THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH OUR PROJECT. THAT'S BEEN GREATLY REDUCED. APPEAR AGAIN, YOU KNOW NOT FROM 280 UNITS TO 40 AND YOU KNOW, WELL LESS THAN EVEN WHAT THE NEW PLAN THEY DIDN'T PULL OUT A
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NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE PLAN. BUT IN COUNTING WHAT'S ON THERE AND UP, SAY, FOR THE STAFF'S BENEFIT THAT THAT PLAN WASN'T NECESSARILY TRYING TO DICTATE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, BUT JUST FOR A REFERENCE POINT IN TERMS OF ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT WHAT WAS SHOWN ON THE AIRPLANE VS ON ARVS, THERE WERE WELL BELOW THE BIG SHOW. AH IT WAS A PROBLEM. OREGON CERN AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. UM WE HAVE MADE COMMITMENTS NOW, EXACTLY IN LINE WITH STRATEGIC PLAN THEIR UNITS THAT ARE WITHIN 250 FT OF THE RIGHT AWAY FOR CENTRAL PALLETS AND 605 WILL BE 40 FT.IF YOU'RE IN EXCESS OF THAT 50 FT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. UM I THINK AS WE GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THOSE STREETS THAT BECOMES MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT TALLER BUILDINGS AND THAT WILL ALLOW SOME FOR SOME OF THIS MIXED USE THAT STEVE MENTIONED.
THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. UM AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. UNDER HMM. CODE IS IT EXISTED? WE WOULD HAVE, REALLY WE WOULD HAVE HAD A REALLY WE HAD A BIG PROBLEM ON OUR HANDS WITH OUR PLAN. IN TERMS OF IT WASN'T ANYWHERE NEAR MEETING WHAT THE TOTAL REQUIRE. BUT THAT WAS TO BE EXPECTED, GIVEN THE TYPES OF USES AND THE DENSITY INVOLVED. WE ARE NOW TO A POINT WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE THAT THERE'S A 25% MINIMUM FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. WE'RE COMMITTING TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. UM I THINK OUR PLAN. MAYBE WE NEED TO ADJUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF WE IT SHOWS POTENTIAL AREAS MAY BE COUNTING TOWARDS THAT OPEN SPACE, AND THAT'S NOT FOR CODE.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT IN OUR TEXT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE 25.
PRODUCT CODE REQUIRES CENTRAL CIVIC GREEN SPACE HERE. IT'S NOW A REQUIREMENT ARE REQUIRED RECOMMENDATION. I GUESS IT WAS STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT ANYWAY AND FEEL IT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT. LOOK AT THE TOWN HOMES AND CHARACTER IMAGES. WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO MIRROR THIS OFFERED RICHMOND SQUARE AND HAS WICK IF YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF WHERE THOSE ARE HERE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. VERY HIGH QUALITY UNITS THAT ARE PERCEIVED TO THE UM NO. VERY APPROPRIATE FOR NEW ALBANY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE CHARACTER WE'RE GOING FOR GARAGES LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THE UNIT. LOW MAINTENANCE.
FOR GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE THOSE WOULD GO WOULD BE AND THOSE TO SOME AREAS TWO AND THREE, CYPRUS 605 AND SOUTHWEST SECOND COLLEGE UM. SINGLE FAMILY HERE AGAIN TAKING OUR INSPIRATION. FROM OBVIOUSLY THE ONE ON THE LOWER RIGHT? THE WALL BENEATH, BUT THE OTHERS ARE ALBANY PRODUCTS.
PEOPLE WANT IN THE LOWER WRITINGS REALLY INTERESTED. SON, RIGHT? TO BE A REALLY. COOL SORT OF HIGH QUALITY PROJECT THAT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN GIVES A LITTLE UNIQUENESS TO THIS PROJECT. THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF SUB AREA THREE, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO BE PERMITTED IN SOME AREAS TO IT. DO THAT USE UP THERE. ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION AND THEN FIVE IS DOWN SOUTH. THE RESIDENTIAL FLATS. THESE ARE THE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES, BUT YOU KNOW 50 B AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE.
YOU KNOW, UH, BALCONIES AND THINGS SHOWN. HERE FOR HIS UPPER LEVEL STORIES. RETAIL AND RESTAURANT UNDERNEATH AND IT COULD BE. IF YOU THINK MOST OF YOU WILL BE FOR SALE CONDOS RATHER THAN REYNOLDS, UM YEAH, AND WE WILL HAVE A FEW RENTAL FLATS MIXED IN, BUT THE INTENT START TO MAKE AN APARTMENT BUILDING HERE. IT'S TO CREATE SOME ENERGY IN THE SIMPLE APARTMENT PROJECT. THE SQUATS WOULD BE COMMITTED. UM THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED ALONG THE FRONTAGE IS PUBLIC STREETS THAT JUST TODAY. MAYBE. SOME AREAS 12 AND ALMOST LIKE THAT AGAIN.
INEFFICIENT ZONE WHERE YOU THINK, WELL, EVIDENCE. KAREEN AND MIXED VIEWS. UM YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE THIS BEING AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE. GET SOMETHING TO EAT.
THERE MIGHT BE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND IN THE WARM MONTHS REALLY WILL BE THE CENTER OF ACTIVITY. IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE'RE MAKING STRATEGIC PLAN. CAUSE FOR HERE WE POINT THAT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE THERE ON THE EDGE OF SUB AREA ONE NEXT TO SUBMARINE, TOO, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS LARGE APARTMENT THAT POINTED OUT PREVIOUSLY. JUST THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA. UM AND WHY THIS FITS? I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE VERY MUCH TRYING TO RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT MORE TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OVER THESE AREAS, SO AS YOU WELL, NO, HE'S GOT, YOU
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KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES HERE NOTE COMMERCIAL RIGHTS WOULD BE EVERY PROPOSED THERE.AND THEN YOU KNOW, WE GET THE DISCOVERY PART BUILDING, WHICH WE'VE ALL HEARD RUMORS ABOUT THAT REDEVELOPMENT. NOW THAT DISCOVERS OUT, YOU KNOW THAT'S TRUE. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT COULD BE A BIG APPOINTMENT CENTER STILL CTG THEM SOUTH OF US AS WELL. AND THEN, AS WE GO UP INTO HERE, WE'VE GOT LIFESTYLE COMMUNITIES AND ALL SORTS OF RESIDENTIAL, UM, THAT WE THINK WILL BENEFIT THIS PROJECT AS WELL. UM BUT IT REALLY IS IN A TRANSITIONAL AREA AND THEREFORE A MIX OF USES AS APPROPRIATE. UM ALL THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OFTEN I GET TO COME IN FRONT OF THE GROUP AND PROPOSED LESS DENSITY AND SAY PLEASE APPROVE US, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WE FROM LAST TIME WHEN YOU APPROVED US LARGELY THE SAME PROJECT THAT'S JUST UP AND SCALE DOWN A BIT IN TERMS OF ITS INTENSITY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO MY LONG WINDED SPEECH AND JUST IN LIGHT AS WITH ME HERE TODAY, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU MAY HELP ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU, ERIN. ALRIGHT ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? AND THEN AS YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND EITHER THE COMPANY YOU REPRESENT OR YOUR ADDRESS. THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY? SO FOR YOU, CAROLINE OR TRICIA? PATRICIA, OKAY? THAT'S OKAY. SOR NAME? AND YEAH, TRICIA'S FAGNINI. I'M IN NEW ALBANY LINKS ON THE H Y PRESIDENT FROM NEW ALBANY LINKS I REPRESENT ABOUT 600 HOMES. THAT ARE WITHIN A SHORT WALK TO THIS CORNER. WE ALSO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF UPPER CLARITIN AND UNCLEAR HAS A NEW PRESIDENT. UM SO THERE'S SEVERAL OF US THAT LIVE REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO THIS. WITH LOVE, IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'RE NOT AGAINST COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT, BUT WE WERE VERY INVOLVED IN REDUCING THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY . UM AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS SO I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, SO I FEEL I FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE WE'VE GOT THIS NEW PROPOSAL. AND I MADE THIS ANALOGY. LAST TIME. I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU WALK INTO COLES AND SOMETHING'S 50 BUCKS, AND YOU WALK IN WITH A 30% OFF COUPON LIKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT A DEAL, SO I APPRECIATE THE DEAL, SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE THERE YET. SO WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT COME UP, AND I JUST MADE SOME NOTES HERE.
UM AND A LOT OF THE US FEEL THIS WAY, IF NOT THE MAJORITY OF US. UM I KNOW THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF US THAT COULD COME HERE ON A MOMENT'S NOTICE AND BE AWAY FROM OUR FAMILIES. BUT I PROMISE YOU WERE THE VOICES OF PLAY AT LEAST 700 PEOPLE THAT LIVE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THIS. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU GUYS IN SOME WAY, AND I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WITH THE DEVELOPER WE HAD ABOUT 65 PEOPLE SHOW UP ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WITH A COUPLE OF DAYS NOTICE. TO HEAR WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAD TO SAY. AND WE STILL DIDN'T LOVE IT, SO I LIKE THIS BETTER STILL, DON'T LOVE IT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT. SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME, SURE.
AND IF YOU NEED TO HAVE BROUGHT UP ON THIS, SO THERE YOU HAD ONE UP THERE WITH THE ZONES AND THE NUMBERS AND ALL THAT TOO MUCH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT HELPS. YEAH THAT HELPS. UM AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS HERE. UM, IT'S UP TO YOU. OH, I WAS GONNA SAY IF YOU NEED A POINT OR SOMETHING. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION SO I AM NEW TO THE ROCKY FORK REPORT. I'VE WORKED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF ELECTRICITY COUNCIL JUST VERY CONCERNED FOR OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE I HAVE CHILDREN IN THE DISTRICT AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BY THE WAY. I WAS LATE TO THE MEETING, AND IF YOU DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH I DO THINK SHOULD BE IN IN CONSIDERATION. PLEASE INCLUDE 3 45 IN THE AFTERNOON ON A THURSDAY BECAUSE I LEFT HERE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN 10 MINUTES EARLY, AND I WAS THREE MINUTES LATE. SO UM, I DON'T USUALLY COME DOWN THIS WAY AT THAT HOUR, BUT I DO THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED, UM, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU TO ROCKY FORK SINCE IT'S FAIRLY NEW TO ME THIS ACCORD I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU. LIKE WHAT? WHAT DO YOU MOST INTERESTED IN LEARNING TODAY? AND WHAT WOULD YOU IS IT PROTECTION OF PARKS? IS IT BRINGING. MORE AMENITIES TO THE COMMUNITY, SO THE KIDS CAN PLAY YOUR ON THE STREAMS LIKE I DON'T I WOULD LIKE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU INTEREST YOU GUYS MOST TODAY WITH REGARD TO THIS TYPE OF PROPOSAL, LET ME JUST JUMP IN REAL QUICK IRAQI FOR BLACK CORD IS MADE UP OF NINE MEMBERS. THREE MEMBERS FROM PLAIN TOWNSHIP. THREE MEMBERS FROM NEW ALBANY. THREE MEMBERS FROM COLUMBUS. OKAY SO THERE'S AN AREA TYPICALLY NORTH OF ONCE THE EXPRESSWAY. THAT INCORPORATES THOSE THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
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AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE REVIEW AND I THINK STEVE DID A GOOD JOB IN THE BEGINNING. IF YOU SAW THAT, YOU KNOW HOW HOW OUR RELATIONSHIP WORKS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN NEW ALBANY CITY COUNCIL, DID YOU? YOU WERE YOU HERE FOR THAT? BRIEFLY YEAH. CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LATER. JUST AN ADVISORY BOARD. UM SO WE LOOK AT AND WE'RE KIND OF A PRELIMINARY STOP , BASICALLY, AND SO WE KIND OF WE HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO ADHERE TO. STAFF REVIEWS THE APPLICATIONS THEY GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE REVIEW IT. AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS AFTER YOU SPEAK AND ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK WELL TALK AND WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH. AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY TOWARDS THE END OF THIS WILL EITHER. UM WE'LL BRING EMOTION UP TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE IT. OKAY AND THEN IT GOES FROM US TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS BEFORE AND NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING, AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY PUSHBACK WOULD BE, AND WE DO HAVE SOME PUSHBACK, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S NOW DOWN TO 6 TO 1. UM, WE HAVE A FEW CONCERNS. ONE IS WE WERE HOPING THAT THE 6 TO 1 WOULD ONLY BE ON THE 75% THAT WAS DEVELOPED. NOT ON THE WHOLE 100. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN. THAT WE HAD. WE'D ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT. YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES THIS COMMUNITY VIABLE ? RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE THESE LITTLE SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BIKE TO SOME OF THAT STUFF, REMEMBER, IT MIGHT BE NICE TO GET A NICE CREAM STORE OR PARK. BUT I DON'T SEE EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS.ON THE PLAN. I DON'T SEE ANY PLANS FOR THE PARKAS YOUR CIVIC GREEN SURROUNDED BY SOME FLATS AND APARTMENTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS NECESSARILY WOULD BE A DESTINATION THAT I WOULD WANT MY FAMILY TO GO TO UNLESS IT BECAME A DESTINATION. IF IT WAS MORE OF A DESTINATION, THEN WE WOULD BE ALL FOR IT. RIGHT UM, I THINK SOME CONCERN WAS DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT TO SUPPORT IT? AND WE FEEL LIKE YOU DO SO JUST BETWEEN NEW ALBANY LINKS UPPER CLARIN TIN. UM, WENTWORTH. WE HAVE THE ENCLAVE. I MEAN, EVEN TIDEWATER. SHE COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, BUT I MEAN, ROUGHLY. MAYBE THERE'S 850 OF US JUST LIKE THIS SMALL GROUP, RIGHT? WHICH MAKES UP A MAJORITY OF THAT SECTOR. NOW WE ALSO HAVE SOME NEW COMMUNITIES COMING IN, RIGHT. SO WE HAVE.
WHAT IS IT NODDING HERE? HANDSHAKES WITHOUT WHAT THEY CALL IT? THERE'S NOTHING HIM.
IT'S LIKE, RIGHT BY ME, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT. BUT NOT IN HAMMER TRACE. THEY JUST BUILT. UM THEY'RE BUILDING THAT NEW OLDEN OVER ON THAT OTHER CORNER, RIGHT? SO THERE'LL BE NINE MORE HOMES THERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE 36. HOW DO YOU HOMES AND 36 MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WOODHAVEN? THEY'RE BREAKING GROUND FOR THAT BOB WEB, RIGHT? SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR ANY BUSINESSES THAT GO THERE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE MAX WAS 6 TO 1, AND THEY SETTLED ON THAT. IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS. I THINK THERE WERE FOLKS THAT THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE FOUR OR FIVE. RIGHT? SO I GET THAT WE'RE MAXING OUT. THE RESIDENTIAL HERE, SO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. ONE OTHER CONCERN THAT WE HAD DURING THE PLANNING AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS SOUTH OF SUGAR RUN AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IN THE CELL WAS THAT IT WOULDN'T ADD STUDENTS TO THE DISTRICT. UM, BUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THAT INTO THE PLAN. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE COULDN'T DO THAT. SO WE WERE CONCERNED THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DEVELOPER TO ADD MORE RESIDENTIAL. SO I GUESS I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT THAT'S WHAT POPPED IN THERE. IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE'S AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IN NEW ALBANY. THAT'S ONLY AT ABOUT 40% CAPACITY. SO MAYBE THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THERE'S MORE MONEY. OPPORTUNITY WITH THE TOWN HOMES, BUT MY CONCERN COMING DOWN SIX OR FIVE 3 45 IN THE AFTERNOON ON A THURSDAY AND I HAVE TO SIT THROUGH YOU KNOW, THREE CYCLES OF LIFE BEFORE I CAN EVEN GET HERE. I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE PUTTING YOU KNOW, SAY 100 AND 95. MAX UNITS. LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 2 2.5 PEOPLE PER UNIT LIKE THAT'S ANOTHER. 400 ISH PEOPLE ON THAT CORNER, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING EMPLOYEES AND PATRONS OF THE BUSINESSES AND THAT SORT OF THING, SO TO NOT HAVE TRAFFIC BE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AND TO NOT ALLOW FOR THE ABILITY OF FUTURE EXPANSION OF SOME OF THESE ROADS, I BELIEVE IS A MISTAKE. UM SO I WOULD LIKE MY CHILD TO BE ABLE TO RIGHT THERE BACK TO SCHOOL, WALK OVER TO WHATEVER IS OVER THERE SAFELY AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN IN PLACE. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEWS, I MEAN, IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE A SMALL COMMUNITY, RIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME FATALITIES ON THAT CORNER. I MEAN, THERE WERE TWO RIGHT AHEAD OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING RIGHT, SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A SLEEPY CORNER LIKE IT GETS A LOT OF USE, AND IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T CONTROL THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO IT CONCERNS ME IF
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THAT'S NOT EVEN A CONCERN. I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE FRONT AND CENTER AS RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TRAFFIC CONTROL, CHILD SAFETY, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE SAFETY. ALL ALONG THERE, SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE ROOM FOR IT. I DON'T SEE ROOM FOR THAT HERE. UM I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON SO THOSE ARE PROBABLY MY PERSONAL BIGGEST CONCERNS. UM, ALSO, I THINK A LOT OF THE CELL WAS THAT AGAIN WITH THE DESTINATION THAT THIS WOULD BE A PART SO I DON'T SEE A LOT OF USABLE PARK SPACE. I SEE A CIVIC GREEN AROUND APARTMENTS, RIGHT? AND THEN I SEE LIKE A STREAM CORRIDOR. SO I'D LIKE I THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. UM. AND WE DID TALK ABOUT SCHOOL IMPACT AND WE GET IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE RUSHING TO BE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AS SOON AS YOU HAVE UNITS HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CHILDREN THAT WANT TO BE IN THE DISTRICTS. IT'S A GREAT DISTRICT. YOU WANT TO HAVE CONTROLLED GROWTH. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS. PLEASE TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION. I KNOW THERE'S WE KEEP BEING TOLD THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. CHRIS HAS BEEN AMAZING PUSHING THAT INFORMATION OUT. WE CAN'T SAY THANK YOU ENOUGH BECAUSE BEFORE WE WERE TRYING TO FIND IT, SO IT'S VERY APPRECIATED THAT IT'S BEING PUSHED OUT AND WE CAN HELP THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND. UM PLEASE TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY WE HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE THIS A BETTER THING FOR THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF PUSHING IT THROUGH AND THEN YOU GET WHAT YOU GET. I MEAN, IF WE HADN'T DONE THAT, TO THIS POINT, WE WOULD HAVE WHAT 750 PEOPLE ON THAT CORNER. SO I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO TO PATRICIA, RIGHT? YEAH I WROTE DOWN. I MEAN, BASICALLY YOUR CONCERNS OF OBVIOUSLY THE DENSITY THE TRAFFIC ACCESS TO THE PARKLAND AND THE IMPACT OF THE SCHOOL'S KIND OF YOUR SAFETY, TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE TRAFFIC.YEAH AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS IF WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL START GETTING THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF YOUR ANSWERS OUR QUESTIONS ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. SURE. RIGHT. ARE YOU, CAROLINE? OKAY? MY NAME IS CAROLINE SALT AND I LIVE ON SNYDER LOOP ON THE H O A BOARD FOR THE ENCLAVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM SUB AREA FIVE. UM SO IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING THAT TRICIA COVERED BEEN FOLLOWING ALONG WITH HER ON THIS JOURNEY, I WANTED TO CALL OUT SPECIFIC CONCERNS FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO ENCOMPASSES THE AREA DIRECTLY BACKING UP TO SUB AREA THREE, SO SUB AREA 34 AND FIVE ARE ARE MOST CONCERNED. AND THE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO CALL OUT OR WALK ABILITY. SO FOR MY CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO WALK OVER HERE AND ENJOY THE SPACE, UM, BASED ON MY RESEARCH AT THE VERY MINIMUM, WE WOULD NEED SOME TYPE OF PEDESTRIAN SCRAMBLER, SO NOT NECESSARILY FOUR WALKWAYS BUT ALSO ACROSS WAY IN THE MIDDLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN CAN CROSS SAFELY AND ACTUALLY ENJOY THIS WALKABLE CIVIC, GREEN AND MIXED USE SPACE. AND THEN SECOND WOULD BE SUB AREA FIVE. I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STICKING TO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SAW ON THE PROPOSAL OF WE SAW IT IN ASSISTED LIVING CENTER. SO ARE WE REALLY GOING TO STICK TO THAT? 55 OVER BECAUSE AGAIN, SCHOOL DENSITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARTICULAR, WE WEREN'T EXPECTING THIS ADDITIONAL ROADWAY. UM I BELIEVE IN THIS HAMLET PROPOSAL. WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO NEED ADDITIONAL STREETS. SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING NEW TO US THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OKAY? SO BASICALLY JUST NOTE WISE, YOU WALK ABILITY AND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME VERY A FIVE. WHAT? WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GO IN? YES. GREAT THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT, OKAY? I DID NOT SPEAKING. BUT I STARTED ONE COMMENT. SO SURE TELL THE TRUTH. I DIDN'T STAND UP AND DO THE OPEN, BUT I'LL TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY BRUCE LARSON, 69 20 CAMERA DRIVE. AS YOU LOOK AT THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SUB AREAS. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT SINCE IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'S 25% OPEN SPACE. FOUR. ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE ENTIRE OPEN SPACE, WHICH WAS EIGHT POINT SOMETHING ACRES. VERSUS THE 5.8. THAT'S THERE, SO I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND ADJUSTING. THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. THAT AREA TIME TO REPRESENT WHAT THE TRUE 25% OPEN SPACES. SORRY, SO OKAY, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO SUB AREA FOUR. AND YOU'RE SAYING
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THAT THE IT DOESN'T REPRESENT THE ACTUAL ACREAGE THAT'S DOESN'T SO THEY DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE AS EIGHT POINT SOMETHING IF I REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER IF YOU HAD THOSE TWO TOGETHER, IT'S BELOW SIX. I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT THE 74 BE EXPANDED, EXPANDED TO REPRESENT THE TRUE 25% OKAY, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A CLARIFICATION ON THAT. ALL RIGHT, BRUCE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC? OKAY GREAT. UM I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR ANY OTHER ANY QUESTIONS THE BORDER MIGHT HAVE. CONNECTICUT HAS ONE. SO UM, SHEET 20 OF 35 OF THE ZONING TAX. TALKS ABOUT THE SCREEN CORRIDOR PROTECTIONS ON AS A MINIMUM OF 100 FT. SHEET TO IT. TWO OF EMAILS AND T S ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE REVIEW.ESTABLISHES THE STREAM CORRIDOR PROTECTION ZONE AS 190 FT. SO I THINK. WE SHOULD BE CONSERVATIVE IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING THE STREAM QUARTER PROTECTIONS AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO THE PERSONS COMMENT ABOUT PARK SPACE AND SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. WAS THAT AN E. M. H AND T MEMO THAT WE PROVIDED AND I DON'T KNOW. YEAH IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS QUITE A BAR THAT WE GOT. AUGUST 202. IS THAT IN THE PACKET? AH SHE 20 OR 35 IN THE PACKET. AND THEN SHE TOOK TWO OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE REVIEW. CAN HAVE JUSTIN LOOK AT THAT, AND I'LL SAY THAT AS A STARTING POINT THAT STANDARD IS PRETTY TYPICAL IN NEW ALBANY THING WE WROTE INTO THE TEXT OF THERE'S SOMETHING THROUGH SOME ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION OR SOMETHING THAT WHAT WE DID TO BE MORAL IS A MINIMUM AND WE'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STRICTER OF TWO LET'S WORK HERE REAL QUICKLY. STATE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW WILL ALWAYS OVERRIDE LOCAL LAW. TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S MORE STRANGE. COME BACK TO THAT ONE. J. WELL, HE'S LOOKING AT US. COME BACK TO WEIGH YOUR QUESTION. UH YOU WANT ANOTHER QUESTION? DO YOU WANT US TO? WELL DAVE POINT OUT THAT THE CITY OF CONGRESS STRANGE ESTABLISHES THE STREET WAR DOOR PROTECTION ZONES. BASED ON METHODOLOGIES DEVELOPED BY DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES , AND IT'S BASED ON THE CONTRIBUTING AREA, DRAINING. AND I THINK STEVE CAN COMMENT OVER THE YEARS. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S STUPID. DID EVERYONE HEAR ME? OKAY? SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BASIS IS OF WHAT'S SHOWN 1 20 OR 35. BUT WHAT'S SHOWN ON TWO OR TWO OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE REVIEW IS PROBABLY BASED ON THIS DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES METHODOLOGY. YEAH. THE EXTENT THAT. THAT IF I ZOOM AS A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE AGENCY. BUT WE CAN SAY BE THE REFERENCE AS WELL. WITHOUT SAYING THAT COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE STATE LAW THAT ADD SOMETHING TO THE TEXT. IF THAT HELPS. IN THE OTHER KICKER IS, IS THAT IN LEAST IN TERMS OF COLUMBUS DRAINAGE MANUAL, WHICH IS ADOPTED BY REFERENCE BY NEW ALBANY IS GOOD. YOU KNOW A LOT PUT ANY FILL IN THE STREAM COURT OF PROTECTIONS ENDS. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PRESERVED AS A NATURAL CORRIDOR. THAT'S ALL I GOT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND IT'S BASICALLY THE THINGS I USUALLY ASK AT THESE MEETINGS. THE FIRST ONE IS UH, HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE SCHOOLS, WHICH ARE DEVELOPMENT? IS DOING. AND FOR THE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ATTENDING HERE. UH SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THEY HAD A COMMUNITY. VISITATION OF WHAT THE SCHOOLS WERE DOING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I SAT ON THAT BOARD ALSO SO, UH, BOY. WELL, I'M ALSO A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER. AH! I CAN'T STOP PROGRESS. THEY DON'T INTEND TO STOP PROGRESS. BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THIS MEMBER OF THE PANEL IS COMING FROM. I WANT. I WANT NEW ALBANY TO BE BETTER TOMORROW THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M
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TRYING TO DO. SO WITH THAT, UH, HAVING SAID ON THAT COMMITTEE. UH I ALWAYS ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE SCHOOLS? AND SO I'M GIVING YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY? UM SO, MIKE, WE HIRED LAST TIME AROUND. WE UM YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THE MULTI FAMILY COMPONENT THE LAST TIME AROUND WAS THE BIG HABIT AROUND THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. NOW WE'VE MIXED THE UNIT TYPES UP A LOT MORE. AND SO, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN OUR 2021 APPLICATION, WE TOOK OTHER PROJECTS THAT STEINER HAD DONE AND TOOK REAL WORLD NUMBERS OF DATA FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES AND LAID THEM OUT AND FIRST I WANT TO BELIEVE THIS. BUT ANY OF THAT THIS TIME WE TOOK A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND WE HIRED THE COMPANY PLANE, LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS, COMMUNITY SORT. TO DO THIS FOR US, AND SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A LETTER UM, JUSTIN'S LETTERHEAD. IT'S IN THE BACK BACKGROUND INFORMATION ALSO FROM THE CONSULTANT ITSELF, BUT THE YOU KNOW WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY ON UNIT TYPES AND HOW MANY OF WHICH WE CAN. WE CAN PLACE ON THE PROPERTY. BUT THE ANALYSIS IS ANYWHERE FROM 37 TO 52 STUDENTS WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TWO THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT PROPERTY ZONED FOR ONE UNIT, AN AGENT. SO YOU'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT WE TOOK THOSE RIGHTS AND USE THEM TODAY THAT THERE WOULD BE STUDENTS GENERATED AS WELL THERE AND SO I THINK OUR NET GAIN. WE THOUGHT IF YOU COMPARED IT TO THAT WOULD BE 1924 STUDENTS, ADDITIONALLY AS COMPARED TO THE CURRENT ZONE. AND ALSO SO YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT IN RECENT YEARS, THE CONCERNED WITH THE SCHOOLS HAS SHIFTED MORE AWAY AWAY FROM WHAT USED TO BE A FINANCIAL. ANALYSIS TO A CAPACITY ANALYSIS, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU LOOK AT UNDER THE OLD LINES OF WHAT'S GOING TO DO FINANCIALLY FOR THE SCHOOLS, THIS WILL BE A BIG WIN BECAUSE MOST RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS DON'T BRING WITH IT A COMMERCIAL TAX BASE, SO EVEN TO THE EXTENT WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE THAT THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF REVENUE GENERATED FROM NEW PROPERTY TAXES FROM THE RESIDENTIAL WE BELIEVE THEY'LL PAY FOR ITSELF.BUT TO THE EXTENT THERE IS NOT YET COMMERCIAL TO PICK UP THE SLACK, AND THEN AND LIKELY WILL YOU KNOW, I GUESS WITH PAYING FOR THE EDUCATION OF DOZENS OF OTHER STUDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY FROM THAT REVENUE GENERAL. OKAY THANK YOU. I THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS. WHAT IS WHAT IS THE RANGE PRICE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? UH VERSUS THE SQUARE FEET . THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SURE JUSTIN WAS STEINER ASSOCIATES TAKING THE TOWN HOMES, FOR EXAMPLE, IN TOWN HOMES. WE EXPECT HER ABOUT CONSISTENT WITH RICHMOND SQUARE ABOUT 2300. MAYBE THE MAX UNIT 20 PARTNERED SQUARE FEET. WE EXPECT THAT PRICE POINT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN STAYS, THINGS CHANGE COULD BE 6 50 TO 7 50. AH! AT THE SINGLE FAMILY. DON'T EXPECT TO GET ABOVE 3000 SQUARE FEET, AND WE EXPECT THAT IN THE 850 ABOVE RANGE. OKAY? TO ANSWER THE STREET QUESTION. SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING BACK, THERE'S A THERE'S SORT OF LAYERS OF REGULATION ON THIS MAP IN THIS PROCESS, SO THERE'S 100 FT. REPAIRING CORRIDOR. THAT IS REQUIRED BY. WHICH JURISDICTION AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE 190 FT STORM WATER PROTECTION CORRIDOR PLAN DOES PROVIDE 190. IT'S JUST BURIED. IT'S ONE OF THE SQUIGGLY LINES, ONES THAT REPAIRING IT AT 100. THEN THERE IS ALSO THOSE TWO AMOUNT OF PROTECTION FOR THE SPRING PROTECTIONS. ANOTHER QUESTION I MIGHT HAVE FOR YOU THEN, UH, ON THE DRAWING HERE. COULD YOU SHOW WHERE YOU HAVE CURRENT BLOCK WEIGHS PAST WHATEVER. AND DO THEY ALL CONNECT TO THE METRO PARK. YES SO WE HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE YOUR PATHS ALONG ALL MAJOR ROADS. THERE'S EVEN A COUPLE OF GAPS CURRENTLY OVER LONG SUB AREA THREE SO THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS ALL ALONG ALL OF THE FRONTAGE OF OUR PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES AND THEN SIDEWALKS OR WALKING PATH WALKING WITHIN WALKING DADS. OKAY, SORRY. I WANT TO PAD AND THEN ON THE ROADS THAT MAJOR WROTE THAT COMMANDS SIGNS DOWN HERE AND HERE. I WILL ALSO HAVE I'M WALKING PATHS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. COMING IN. AND THEN WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE
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WALKWAYS THROUGH WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW THROUGH SEVEN AREA FOR AND THAT'S WE WANT TO PROTECTIONS OWN. JUST AS IN IT. IT BRINGS UP A POINT. WHERE WOULD YOU GUYS CONSIDER DESIGNATED A CONSERVATION EASEMENT THROUGH THERE? TURKEY. SOMETHING STAFF IS ANTICIPATED, STEVE SO CURRENTLY I BELIEVE THEY'VE COMMITTED TO DEDICATING THIS WHOLE SUB AREA FOUR AND THAT OPEN SPACE TO THE CITY SO THAT WOULD BECOME PUBLICLY OWNED, UM, PARK SPACE THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND ANOTHER NOTE. THE REASON THIS DOESN'T ADD UP TO 25% IS WHAT WE DID RESEARCH ON THE PLANNING WORK THAT THE CITY THE FUNDS. WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THEIR GREEN SPACE. IT INCLUDED THESE AREAS AS WELL. SO OUR AGREEMENT, AREA CALCULATIONS INCLUDE THE PARKING SPACE BETWEEN THESE TOWN HOMES, ALSO DESPERATE SINGING AND EXCLUDED.FREE SPACE. TO THE. GREAT HERE. THIS AREA IS ALL MR HARVEST HERE.
OPEN SPACE APARTMENT PARKLAND. IT'S PUBLICLY DEDICATED AND IN THIS CASE PARTLY MAINTAINED. GET BACK TO YOU. THE PARK. BUT THEN THERE'S OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS MORE PRIVATELY OWNED AREA.
THAT'S OH, A 19. AND SO ALL RIGHT. RECOMMENDATION OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS A COMBINATION OF THOSE WHO HAS 25% SO WHERE THAT LINE ENDS UP RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NOT FROM DEDICATING MORE OF THE CITY, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE EXCITED WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO LATER. THE INTENTION IS FOR THE TOTAL OF THOSE TWO TO GET TO THAT 25% THRESHOLD MUSEUM VARIOUS PARTS. UM I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH THAT. SO I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING TO, UM, DONATE PARK OPEN SPACE TO THE CITY, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR THE STAFF IS THIS CITY WILLING TO MAINTAIN THIS POTENTIAL PARKLAND OR OPEN SPACES THAT HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEEN HAPPENING YET, OR. YEAH, WE'VE BEEN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I DON'T THINK IT'S UH QUITE DETERMINED YET, WHO WOULD MAINTAIN IT? UM BUT, YEAH, WE ARE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND ULTIMATELY, I THINK OUR AS PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED IN THE FUTURE SO IT COULD BE A PUBLIC SPACE. IT'S PRIVATELY MAINTAINED IS AN OPTION. THAT HAPPENS A LOT . I THINK REALLY DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE PARK. IT IS A REGIONAL DRAW THAT PUTS A HEAVY BURDEN ON A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. OUR RESPONSIBILITY. I DIDN'T THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING OF AREAS. I THINK HOPEFULLY IT REALLY CAN APPRECIATE THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, ENGINEERING'S INVOLVED, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO IT THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING. IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE THE UNDERLYING BASELINE BONES OF THE PROJECT IN PLACE CAN'T EVEN REALLY GET TO THAT POINT. SO WE EXPECTED FINAL . THEY'RE GOING TO BE A SERIES OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, ONE OF WHICH WILL BE FOR THE PARK, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE THE TRAILS ARE GOING AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH, NOT TOUCH. MY THAT'S WITH YOU. WELL SPEAKING OF TIME CONSUMING AND EXPENSIVE , I'M ASSUMING JUST AGAINST STAFF QUESTION THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WOULD OCCUR AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT STAGE IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL OCCUR AS PART OF THIS REZONING, SO THE APPLICANTS IS COMPLETING THAT RIGHT NOW AND UPON SUBMITTAL AND REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF WILL EVALUATE THAT. AND THEN UPON THAT EVALUATION WILL INCLUDE THAT, TOO ARE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORTS, UM, FOR THEIR TECHNICAL EVALUATION OF THAT, SO AS FAR AS OUR OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE TODAY, TRAFFIC IS NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU WILL KNOW, THOUGH, THAT WE DID COMPLETE A TRAFFIC STUDY THE LAST TIME AROUND ALL THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY. AND WE WERE GOING TO COMMIT TO MAKE ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. SO NO TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I THINK LOGIC WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT NOW. THEREFORE, IT'S WHATEVER ITS STUDY REQUIRED SYSTEM. YEAH I'M I'M DOING MY BEST TO TRY TO KEEP TABS ON OKAY, QUESTION ANSWER. AND SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD. MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PREMATURE. YOU HEARD THE QUESTIONS AND YOU HAVE THE ANSWERS WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW WHAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF
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US. MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS ANY OTHER ISSUE THAT THE SURE NEIGHBORS. UM. ONE QUESTION THAT DID COME UP WAS THE REMOVAL, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PLAN OF THE SENIOR LEAVING LIVING FACILITY SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DENSITY PLAN THAT WAS KIND OF A APPROVED THERE'S STRATEGIC PLAN THAT SUMMER IT HAD THAT SENIOR LIVING FACILITY OF 100 AND 25 UNITS AND THEN ALSO HAD THE 193 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE REMOVED THE SENIOR LIVING IN THAT 125 UNITS. BUT WE ALSO TOOK THE 1 93 DOWN TO ONE INDIAN INDIAN. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF WE GAVE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE UP ABOVE MOVES. SOME OF THESE UNITS DOWN BUT WHERE THE BIG CHANGE WAS, IS THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS SO WE CALL THOSE DOWN AND JUST GIVE A LITTLE MORE SPACE SO OVERALL, THERE'S I GUESS THE LESS. POPULATION HERE THAN THERE WAS COMPARED TO THE CITY ON THAT, SO THERE IS NO SENIOR LIVING NOT IN THIS VERSION, BUT I THINK THE ZONING TAX GOES LOWER IT I NEED THAT. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE. MY FOLLOW UP IS THAT THE TEXT DOES CURRENTLY SEEMED TO EXPRESS A PREFERENCE IF IT'S FEASIBLE. AND IF THE MARKET IS THERE FOR SENIOR LIVING AND OR SENIOR. SUPPORTIVE SERVICES OF VARIOUS KINDS IN SUB AREA FIVE. UH IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE YOU WILL ACTIVELY BE LOOKING FOR, AS OPPOSED TO JUST ABANDONING SENIOR. WE CAN USE THAT ACTIVELY CONTINUED ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO RUN BOTH BOTH OPTIONS. OKAY? IT'S GOING THROUGH THE LAST TIME. TRAFFIC STUDY. I THINK WE JUST WENT THROUGH, SO I THINK WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT. PARK I TOUCHED ON THE DENSITY. YOU KNOW, UM LOOK, THIS IS KIND OF A UNICORN FOR NEW ALBANY, RIGHT? TWO PLACES IN NEW ALBANY, WHERE WE'RE HAVE A LOOK AT ANY DENSITY OF THIS SORT, AND I DON'T EVEN COMPARE IT TO THE VILLAGE CENTER. NOWHERE AS NEAR AS DENSE AS THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS OF MARKETING MAIN APARTMENTS DOWNTOWN OR SO IMPORTANT WAS TO SUPPORT THE HUDSON 20 NINE'S MUSHROOMS AND RUSTY BUCKETS OF THE WORLD, RIGHT. UM SOME PEOPLE LIKE ROOSTERS. I KNOW. UM UM BUT YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CITY'S CONSULTANT ARRIVED WITH THE SIX UNITS PER ACRE NUMBER AS BEING THE BARE MINIMUM. NEEDED AND TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PROVIDE THE LONGER RANGE OF HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THOSE BUSINESSES AND BE SUCCESSFUL. I THINK PART OF THE INTRIGUE OF THIS SITE AND FOR THOSE SORTS OF RESTAURANT RETAIL USES IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A GOOD DEAL OF RESIDENTIAL AROUND US AND BLINKS AND OTHER PLACES AND THAT'S OUR HOPE. DESPITE I'M GONNA PUSH BACK FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL END UP BEING FREQUENT CUSTOMERS HERE AND IT WILL BE GOOD FOR THEM. THIS WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE VILLAGE CENTER. THIS IS A DIFFERENT DEAL ALTOGETHER. I THINK YOU KNOW, WE'RE TARGETING, UM DIFFERENT SORT OF MARKET THAT IS NOT GOING TO PAY THE RENT PAID DOWN HERE, BUT THEY'RE STILL QUALITY USERS. THESE HOMES ARE STILL HIGH END. I MEAN, NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME AND WHERE I GREW UP IN WOOSTER, OHIO . IF I HAD A $500,000 HOME, I WAS THE RICHEST GUY IN TOWN RIGHT NOW. WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS LIKE THERE. YOU KNOW WHATEVER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE COMMUNITY STANDARD IN ALL RESPECTS, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING COMMUNITIES PROUD OF. UM YOU KNOW, I THINK CHANGE IS HARD. I MEAN, ANYTIME.UM YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU'RE THE SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH ONE TO AN AREA, THEN YOU GET ALL THE PEOPLE. AH COMING TO EXPRESS CONCERN THAT HAVE LIVED THERE AND HAVE GOTTEN USED TO A CERTAIN WAY THINGS ARE UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE AREAS WERE FARM FIELDS AT ONE POINT, AND BILLINGS ITSELF HAS BECAUSE IT OVER 600 HOMES. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR THE MARKET. IT'S SOMETHING NEW AND UNUSUAL AND I THINK IT WILL BE VERY WELL RECEIVED, AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE CITY'S BORDER. AND SORT OF TRANSITIONS US BACK INTO NEW ALBANY. TRUMP WANTS TO THE WEST SO UM WALK ABILITY IN THE NEW STREET, YOU KNOW, RECALL LAST TIME THERE BEING A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION FOR THE NEW STREET FIVE. AND I BELIEVE YOU FOUND. REALLY FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT TO MAKE SURE THAT INTERSECTION ALLIANCE PROPERLY ON BOTH SIDES LIKE THAT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. COMING OUT
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AND GOING AROUND, ESSENTIALLY. UM SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO STUDY THAT. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE'S A COMMITMENT. APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL LAST TIME. I THINK IT WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, LAST TIME ASSURED. I THINK IT'S A REALLY HARD REALLY ALWAYS ABOUT TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR WATER RAIL. CERTAINLY WHEN ALL. RIGHT? WHAT TO DO. THERE'S SOME BOTTOM PROVIDED. HERE. TO BE THE GUY. HERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY EVENING. PRIVATE GARAGE PARKING BELLS. AND THANKS, ETCETERA. SO WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CONNECT THOSE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PROVIDE AND STUFF WE'RE GOING TO BE THEIR INFORMATION PUBLIC STREET. THERE. THE CITY IS FRANKLY. QUESTION ACTIVITY.ACTUALLY, YOU CAN. I THINK IF I MISS ANYTHING, SURE. UM WELL, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. ANYBODY? YES, HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. YEAH. UM. WELL FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE DEVELOPER GOING FROM 3 42 1 88. IS AMAZING. THAT'S GREAT. UM ONE QUESTION THAT CAME UP LAST TIME THERE WAS TRAFFIC AND THAT BOTTLENECK THAT HAPPENS COMING FROM 50 MILES AN HOUR DOWN 605 THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STEPHEN ALSO UM ARE THERE GOING TO BE DURING THE PROCESS OF PREPARING THE TRAFFIC STUDY? ARE THERE GOING TO BE CITY STANDARDS IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS, THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, I BELIEVE WE FOLLOW THE COLUMBUS MANUAL FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND SO PART OF THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO BE DETERMINED WHAT INTERSECTIONS NEED TO BE SIGNALIZED. WE NEED TO HAVE OTHER TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS. WHETHER BE A STOP CONDITION, UM , BUT CERTAINLY PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS, UH, CONCERN OF THE CITY AS WELL. UM WHAT THE PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THIS PROJECT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IS ACTUALLY A SPEED LIMIT REDUCTION ALONG THIS STRETCH HERE, BEGINNING AT CENTRAL COLLEGE THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKWARDS. BUT IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE SPEED, THE IT HAS TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN PRESENT SO WE CAN'T REDUCE THE SPEED IN ADVANCE BECAUSE 605 IS AN ODE ARE CONTROLLED ROAD. BUT BASED ON THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WE BELIEVE AND I'LL SAY, JUST BELIEVE THAT, UM, THAT COULD, UM , LEND CREDENCE TO SUPPORTING A SPEED LIMIT REDUCTION ALONG CENTRAL OR I'M SORRY ALONG 605 HERE. WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE, THEN 15. MPH. DO YOU THINK I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO MEMBER FROM LAST TIME WE WERE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT JUST THE CROSSINGS BETWEEN SEVERE A TWO AND THREE HERE AND SUMMARY OF FIVE TO THE ENCLAVE, BUT CERTAINLY THE CITY'S PREROGATIVE IS ALWAYS TO LOOK FOR SPEED LIMIT REDUCTIONS WHERE POSSIBLE. THERE'S JUST A LOT MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT CORRIDOR, EVEN NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE. IT JUST SEEMS TO MAKE SOME SENSE TO ME, MISTER HARPER IN THERE, INTERESTINGLY AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE HERE WE HAD A CHARTER SCHOOL THAT I WAS. I WASN'T YET. YEAH. BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE THEY'RE UP AND RUNNING AND BUILDING. THEY'VE GOT TO DO SOME FUNDRAISING. I THINK THAT WE SOME SLOWING UP SPEED, SOMETIMES THE DAY UP THERE JUST A LOT OF SCHOOLS AS WELL. PROJECT COMES TO BE SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL PART OF THE EQUATION AS WELL GOING NORTH. SOMETHING ABOUT THIS COUPLE. MHM EXACTLY. DISCOVER BASICALLY, THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN OPERATION THERE ANYMORE, AND THAT PROPERTY IS ON THE MARKET.
SO UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IT IS. I DON'T KNOW. I'VE HEARD THERE'S AN OFFER ON IT THAT IS ABOUT TO BE ACCEPTED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT FOR. IT'S NOT FAMILIAR. MY CLIENTS THAT I KNOW OF BUT IT COULD BE REUSED AS OFFICE SPACE OR THERE'S SOME THOUGHT. MAYBE
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IT REDEVELOPED IN SOME WAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL CONJECTURE AND RUMOR NOW, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT OPERATING OUT OF THEIR NEARLY TO THE MAGNITUDE THAT THEY USED TO. HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE STATE THAT THE WHOLE HAMLET CONCEPT AND THAT'S BEEN, UH OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST YEAR AND INCORPORATED INTO THE ENGAGED NEW ARMY. ARE THERE CERTAIN STANDARD OR CERTAIN SPECIFIC STANDARDS WITHIN THAT, AND AGAIN ? I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO MAYBE THE SIX UNITS PER ACRE. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN PLAIN TOWNSHIP THAT'S ONE RESIDENTS PER ACRE AND THEN GIVEN, UH, ADHERENCE TO STANDARDS THAT COULD GO UP TO SIX NUMBER. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S DICTATED WITHIN THIS HAMLET CONCEPT. YES EXCUSE ME. THE UPDATED STRATEGIC PLAN DOES CONTAIN 15 SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR HAMLETS AND SO AGAIN THIS PROJECT EITHER THROUGH THE REZONING IS COMMITTING TO MEETING THOSE NOW OR HAS COMMITTED TO MEET THEM AS PART OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.ONCE WE GET THOSE MORE DETAILED , UM, PLAN SETS AND THEN THE FOCUS AREA WITHIN THE ENGAGEMENT OPENING PLAN DOES RECOMMEND A MAXIMUM OVERALL GROSS DENSITY. OF 60 UNITS PER ACRE. OKAY? CORRECT. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ACCURATE. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS GETTING BACK TO THE STREAM AND THE, UM. AND THE ACCORD HAS A 30% SET ASIDE FOR GREEN SPACE. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY BELOW 25% AND AGAIN. I KNOW ERIN. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE RETENTION AREAS INCORPORATED INTO THAT, TOO, WHICH IS NOT TYPICALLY ALLOW, AND, BUT WITH THIS WITH THE NEWER STANDARDS, IT'S 25. BUT I AND I KNOW YOU'VE COMMITTED TO MEETING THOSE CORRECTED. IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF DEVELOPMENT AREA TO MEET HIM. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. WE KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE HARD AND FAST OBJECTIVE REQUIREMENTS SO EITHER ENGINEER AROUND IT, OR WE'LL HAVE TO LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING TO GET THERE. BUT WERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MINIMUM STANDARD. WHO KNOWS IF WE'LL EXCEEDED BUT WE'RE COMMITTING TO MEET WITH THEM.
OKAY, THANKS. AND I THINK THE OTHER THE OTHER ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GONNA GET BACK TO WHAT MIKE SAID ABOUT THE SCHOOL IS, YOU KNOW THE IMPACT OF SCHOOL? I DID READ THROUGH, UM UH, THE INFORMATION ABOUT. HOW MANY STUDENTS PER FLAT PER RESIDENTS PER SINGLE FAMILY AND SO FORTH.
AND, UH, I KNOW THAT THE COMPARISON AND YOU USED THE YOU KNOW IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED AND PLAYING TOWNSHIP OF B 11 RESIDENT PER ACRE AND, UH, AND I JUST IT WAS INTERESTING, THOUGH , THAT YOU USED THE NEW ALBANY UH, STANDARDS FOR THE THAT AND THEN USE THEIR STANDARDS FOR THE OTHER, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF NOW THAT'S AN INTERESTING, YOU KNOW. DIDN'T REALLY CATCH THAT. BUT, YEAH, I GUESS THE POINT IS 0.0.8 FOR THE YEARS NEW ART WHEN THEY WERE USING THE THEY USED THE NEW OBVIOUS STANDARDS, 0.8 STUDENTS PER RESIDENT. AND THEN, UH, AND THEY COMPARED THAT AGAINST THEIR STANDARD, WHICH IS 0.4 WAS ABOUT HALF. OKAY THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S PROBABLY ON ME THAT I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. I'M SO USED TO USING 0.0.8 IN NEW ALBANY, SO YEAH, CERTAINLY WHEN WE GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION, I'LL GET YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT, BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S STILL JUST THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT. ANY OTHER ONE MORE QUESTION AS FAR AS THE USES. GO SEE, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY DRIVE THROUGH OR FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS. IS THAT ALSO, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THERE BE ANY CHANCE FOR ANY AUTO ORIENTED USES LIKE A CAR WASH? BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THOSE ARE POPULAR? AND, UM OR IS THAT NO COMMENT? NO IT'S NOT JUST I DON'T BELIEVE I DON'T BELIEVE IT CONTEMPLATES OR ALLOWS FOR THAT. CHECK THAT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. PROHIBITIVE PROHIBITIVE BUSINESSES. YEAH AND CAR WASHES ONE OF THEM, IS IT? YEAH SCARLETT BANK WE ALLOW, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT STUDENT.
DOESN'T PROVIDE A LOT OF STACKING USUALLY. AND IT'S FEELING STATIONS ALSO PROHIBITED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS. OKAY UM SO STATES TRICIA. SURE. SURE. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP THAT I WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK TO, UM,
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ONE IS WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, AND I THINK MAYBE. ONE THING THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN. I THINK WHEN THE COMMUNITY WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED TO US, AND THE NUMBERS THAT CAME UP WE KEPT ASKING FOR NUMBERS AND WE NEVER GOT SOLID NUMBER SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE ORIGIN OF THE NUMBER TWO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE REASON MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE REASON WHY THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS HAVING TO BE REDONE IS BECAUSE THIS TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US BEFORE BY THE DEVELOPER WAS NOT DURING SCHOOL HOURS. RIGHT SO IT WAS. IT WAS LIKE A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER SCHOOL HAD LEFT OUT, RIGHT. SO I THINK NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.UM, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE. IS THERE A THIRD PARTY THAT'S GOING TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY? THIS TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT SCHOOL WAS IN SESSION. IT WAS DURING REGULAR HOURS THAT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO EFFORT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE WHAT THE REAL IMPACT IS. AND THEN THAT LEADS ME INTO SCHOOL IMPACT BECAUSE YOU TOUCHED ON A VERY SORE SUBJECT FOR ME. UM MY KIDS ARE IN THE DISTRICT AND AGAIN. I'M ALL FOR GROWTH, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE CONTROLLED. AND I THINK IN THE PAST THE COMMUNITY I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE THE NUMBERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US WE'RE NOT THE POINT RIGHT, SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S LESS OF A SCHOOL IMPACT, RIGHT? SO WE DID HAVE A SHEET GIVEN TO US, AND I TRIED TO LOOK FOR IT. I HAVE IT SOMEWHERE. I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. BUT THE DEVELOPER DID GO TO THE NEW ALBANY. UM I FORGET WHAT THE NAME OF THE LADY WAS NOW THAT SHE HAD A SHEET. AND WHERE SHE GOT THE NUMBERS FROM AND IT VERY SPECIFICALLY LEFT OUT SOME PRETTY HIGH DENSITY. AREAS AND IT PULLED IN LIKE SOME APARTMENT COMPLEX DOWN IN CINCINNATI. LIKE I'M A REALTOR, SO YOU NEED TO USE COMPS IN THE AREA, SO TO COME UP WITH A REAL NUMBER. YOU KNOW, AS A REAL TRAIN. I'M GETTING ASKED EVERY SINGLE DAY IF WE HAVE PLACES FOR SALE OR FOR RENT, BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO GET THEIR KIDS IN THE DISTRICT RIGHT, SO PEOPLE BUY HOUSES SIGHT UNSEEN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THEIR KIDS IN A DISTRICT. WE HAVE A GREAT DISTRICT AND WE WANT. FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE UNDERESTIMATING HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO BE IN THE DISTRICT AND THIS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A HAMLET, AND IT'S GEARED TOWARDS MILLENNIALS WHO ARE NOW LIKE WHAT? APPROACHING 40? IF NOT IN THEIR FORTIES NOW, SO YOU KNOW THEY'VE GOT KIDS RIGHT? SO IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE TARGET MARKET, I THINK WE'RE UNDERESTIMATING HOW MANY KIDS SO IF WE DO USE THAT 400.8 I FEEL LIKE THAT IS PROBABLY A BETTER ESTIMATE AS TO HOW MANY KIDS MIGHT COME OUT OF THIS HAMLET, RIGHT? SO HOW MANY UNITS SO IF THERE'S 188, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK INTO THE FUZZY MOUTH THAT WE WERE USED TO ON THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, BUT IF WE HAVE 188 UNITS AND YOUR 1880.8 KIDS ON AVERAGE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE TWO OR THREE KIDS. SOME PEOPLE HAVE WON SOME HAVE NONE. RIGHT LIKE WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER COME OUT TO? AND I'M NOT COMING UP WITH 37 38 KIDS, RIGHT? THEN IF YOU ADD THESE TOWN HOMES DOWN HERE AND COMING UP WITH 212 TOTAL, EVERY ONE OF THOSE RECTANGLES IS A TOWN HOME. I'M COMING UP WITH 212. WHEN 203 WOULD BE THE MAX. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE SACRED SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RECONSIDER.
LIKE WHAT? WHAT? WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES COME BACK TO LOOK LIKE AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SCHOOL IMPACT BECAUSE THEY DO THINK THEY'RE GROSSLY UNDERESTIMATED, AND THAT THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN. IF NOT TWO OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS BEHIND RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF ALL THE HOMEOWNERS. SO IF WE COULD HAVE IF YOU HAVE THIS STUDY ON WHERE THE NUMBERS CAME FROM LOCAL. THAT WOULD BE HOPEFUL BECAUSE I THINK IT TOOK US A LONG TIME TO GET THE ACTUAL NUMBERS BEFORE AND THEN WE REALIZED THAT IT WASN'T WE WERE. THERE WAS A SHEET THAT WAS SHARED. THAT HAS HOW MANY PER FLAT. HOW MANY PER TOWN HOME AND HOW MANY FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. THEY USE. THEY USE A, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, POINT POINT FOUR I THINK WAS FOR THE RESIDENTS AND SO FORTH. 0.4 TIMES. RIGHT WELL, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FLATS AND THE AND THE TOWN HOMES. IT'S LESS THAN THAT. IT WAS 0.4 FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY. I REMEMBER. GO AHEAD, AARON, YOU KNOW. ONE COUPLE THINGS. LET'S START WITH THE TRAFFIC. UM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO IS A PRESIDENT. PATIENT. SYRIA ITSELF IS USED FROM TIME TO TIME. AND YOU KNOW EVERY OBVIOUS POWER THE SAME ONES. DEVELOPERS USE THE SAME ONES. SO MANY OF THEM ARE VERY WELL RESPECTED. THEY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE AN MOU OR MEMORANDUMS
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OF UNDERSTANDING FOR THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY. HOW IT'S GOING TO BE CONDUCTED. SO YOU KNOW, THEY TELL US IF IT WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE COUNTS. THE CITY'S CITY FOR ITS CONSULTANT, DOES WHAT INTERSECTIONS WERE TO STUDY, ETCETERA. AND THEN THERE ARE THESE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING MANUALS THAT ARE USED TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS TO THE EXTENT THAT COUNTS AREN'T BEING MADE AND COUNT EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST THAT POSSIBILITY. SO WE'RE FOLLOWING AND WE'RE NOT MAKING THIS UP AND THE CITY'S CONSULTANT HAS TO APPROVE THAT MOU AND WE CONDUCT THE STUDY AND THERE IT IS, RIGHT SO TO ME. IT'S ALL ABOVE MY HEAD . I DON'T KNOW HOW IT ALL WORKS. BUT THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE, AND IT'S GENERALLY ACCEPTED. AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS CONCERNED. UM YOU KNOW? THAT'S FUNNY. YOU KNOW WHENEVER I GO OUT AND DO AN APARTMENT ZONING AGAIN, THE SAME THINGS THAT SCHOOL IMPACT TRAFFIC AND CRIME AND YOU KNOW? ADMITTEDLY. TRAFFIC IS. PROBABLY THE ONE TRUTH THERE. UM SCHOOLS IS NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY THE CASE, AND I THINK EVERYONE WILL BE SURPRISED AT HOW SMALLER IMPACT ABRUPTLY THOSE SORTS OF PRODUCTS. WHAT THE IMPACT IS PRETTY SMALL ON SCHOOLS, CRIME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST KEEP YOU OFF ON A TANGENT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT SAID THAT HERE, BUT MY POINT IS, UM YOU KNOW? ALL WE CAN DO SO LAST TIME AROUND. WE TRIED TO COUNTER THAT WITH ACTUAL DATA FROM ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE COMPARABLE. THERE ARE NO COMPARABLE PROJECTS IN THE WALL, RIGHT? AND SO YOU GOT TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTION ABOUT PROJECT IN CINCINNATI. MORE LIKE NEW ALBANY , THEN ANOTHER ONE. I MEAN, ONE IN COLUMBUS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. JUST DOWN THE STREET. THEN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND YOU KNOW? PART OF THE ANALYSIS. TWO OF THE TYPE OF UNIT YOU BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RIGHT IN THERE. YOU CAN BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS VERY UNATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE WITH KIDS BECAUSE THERE'S NO YARD, RIGHT. AND THAT WAS THE CASE HERE. MAYBE ONE OF THESE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE 10.4 AND THE 0.8. RIGHT UM, UH, SO YOU KNOW WHAT? LOOK IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ASSUMPTIONS. I'M GOING TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING. OUR OTHER PLAN WAS MUCH MORE FRIENDLY TO THE SCHOOLS, AND THIS ONE IS WE'LL ADMIT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE WERE GUIDED TO. AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS, WILL HAVE MORE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS, BUT HOPEFULLY COMMERCIAL FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, THOUSANDS OF ALL OF THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS. OKAY? AH SO TO PROCEED FORWARD, ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE APPLICANT AGAIN ON REDUCING THE DENSITY. UM AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN MOSTLY QUIET, SO I DID WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT COMMENT. OTHERWISE I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL APPROVAL. FIRST THE C ONE. OH, 4 TO 0 TO TWO. THANK YOU. YES, I'LL SET PERFECT. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? MISS BONNIE? YES MR BRUBAKER? YES CLEAR. YES MR HIRSCH. WITS YES, MR HARPER? YES MR PAUL SMITHERS. MOTION IS PASSED. OKAY? I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING TONIGHT, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION OR ANYTHING TO THAT EMOTION TO GERMANY. YEAH. YEAH MEETING IS ADJOURNED. ALRIGHT, THANKS.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.