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OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, OCTOBER 17TH 2022, CAN I GET A ROLL? PLEASE MR. KIRBY PRESIDENT, MR. WALLACE PRESENT MR SCHELL BRIGGS HERE, MR. LARSON. MR SCHULZ HERE.
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BRINGS US ITEM THREE ACTION ON THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER, 19TH. DO WE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? NONE HERE. NONE HERE NOT HAVING HERE. WHAT YOUR EMOTION ON THE MINUTES WERE APPROVED THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 1920 22 READING SECOND EXCUSE ME. AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. COULD BE THE RULE, PLEASE. MR WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR SCHELL? YES, MR[IV. Additions or Corrections to Agenda]
KIRBY. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA? NO. WHAT? EVERYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, PLEASE RISE. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. YEAH NO. AND EVERYONE CHECK THEIR PHONES AND SUCH AND MAKE THEM SILENT, PLEASE. ITEM FIVE IS HEARING VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE[VII. Cases]
ANY SUCH VISITORS? TAKES US TO OUR FIRST CASE FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN 1 15 2020 TO COME HERE FROM STAFF, PLEASE. THANK YOU. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION IS FOR A PROPOSED CHIPOTLE, LOCATED IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF JOHN'S TOWN ROAD AND GENERALLY SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION AT BETTELHEIM, ER ROAD AND WALTON PARKWAY. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN SUB AREAS SEVENTIES, SECTION TWO OF THE BUSINESS PARK. KNOWN AS SOUTH OAK GROVE RETAIL. THE LOT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IS TWO ACRES IN SIZE. A LOT COULD ACCOMMODATE TWO SEPARATE DEVELOPMENTS. THE PROPOSED CHIPOTLE. IS TO BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT. INDICATED ON THIS SCREEN WITH THE RED STAR. A SEPARATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COULD BE LOCATED ON THE NORTH PORTION. CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO PLANS TO SPIT SPLIT THE LOG INTO TWO MM. THE APPLICANT DOES SHOW, UH, THEORETICAL PROPERTY LINES ON THEIR PROPOSED PLAN THIS EVENING. IN CASE OF A LOSS SPLIT. ONCE THE LAW IS SPLIT INTO TWO, THE CHIPOTLE SITE WOULD BECOME APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE IN SIZE. AND THE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION IS BASED ON THE POTENTIAL FUTURE LOSS, SPLIT AND LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE. UM SHOULD THAT LAST WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THE ROAD? THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP A 2394 SQUARE FOOT CHIPOTLE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU AND CARRY OUT. THE ACQUITTAL WILL HAVE A DINE IN OPTION BUT WILL FOCUS PRIMARILY ON TO GO ORDERS THE DRIVE THRU LANE WILL BE PICK UP ONLY FOR ORDERS THAT WERE PLACED AHEAD OF TIME AND WILL NOT BE A TYPICAL FULL SERVICE DRIVE THROUGH THEY WILL NOT HAVE A MENU BOARD, OR, UM, A, UM ORDERING BOARD. THESE ONLY IN TEXT REQUIRES THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE TO NOT EXCEED 80% SHOULD THE LAW SPLIT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? THE SITE WOULD STILL MEET THIS REQUIREMENT AS THE NEW LOT COVERAGE AT THAT TIME IS ANTICIPATED TO BE JUST UNDER 70.THE ZONING TEXTS REQUIRES THE SETBACKS. UM LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND THE PLAN DOES MEET OR EXCEED ALL OF THE REQUIRED MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THE SITE WILL HAVE FOUR ACCESS POINTS OFF OF THREE PRIVATE DRIVES THAT SURROUND THE SITE. SO ON THREE SIDES OF THE SITE ARE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVES, AND THERE WILL BE FOUR ACCESS POINTS FROM THOSE PRIVATE DRIVES. ONE ACCESS POINT TO THE NORTH CORNER HERE WOULD BE AN OUT ONLY FOR, UM EXITING THE SITE. AND THEN THE THREE OTHER ACCESS POINTS WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH. ABORTION HERE. THESE TWO OFF OF THE
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SOUTHERN PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE WOULD BE FULL ACCESS. AND THEN THERE IS 1/4 ACCESS FOR CARS TO EXIT THE DRIVE THROUGH. THEY COULD GO RIGHT OUT OR LEFT OUT ONTO THE PRACTICE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE. THE PROPOSED PLAN MEETS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH 33 PARKING SPACES IN NINE STACKING SPACES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE BRICK AND METAL AS THE BUILDING MATERIALS.ZONING TEXT PERMITS. THE USE OF BRICK AND METAL IS PERMITTED AS AN ACCENT FEATURE. THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND USE OF THE MATERIALS IS APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. THE ZONING TEXT STATES THAT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT WITHIN THIS SONY IN DISTRICT SHALL NOT EXCEED 65 FT. AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT IS APPROXIMATELY 20 FT. ALL OTHER ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FROM THESE ONLY IN TEXT. THE CITY'S DE GRS AND THE CITY ZONING CODES ARE BEING MET , INCLUDING HAVING A TALL PAIR UP IT FOR CITED SCREENING FOR THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT. THE MAJORITY OF THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE STANDARD, THE TEXT REQUIRES AND USE SURFACE PARKING AREAS ADJACENT TO U. S 62 TO BE SCREENED FROM RESPECTIVE RIGHT AWAY WITH PLANTING HEDGE FENCE WALL OR AN EARTH MOUND. UM ADDITIONALLY, THROUGHOUT THE STEP BACK AREA, THERE SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF SIX TREES PER 100 LINEAL FEET. WHILE THE APPLICANT DOES MEET THIS REQUIREMENT BY PROVIDING THE CONTINUOUS PLANTING HEDGE, THEY DO NOT MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY 13 TREES WITHIN THIS SETBACK AREA SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATIONS DOCTOR RECOMMENDS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL ABOUT THE APPLICANT ADD ONE MORE TREES. TO THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR A TOTAL OF 14. TREES AND THIS CAN BE DONE AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE PLAN AND PROVIDED COMMENTS LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THEIR COMMENTS BEING MET SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. UM AS FIRST SIGNAGE. AS PART OF THIS PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A PARTIAL SIGN. PLAN FOR THE SITE . THE DETAILS FOR THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED YET. STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THIS SIGN AND ALL OTHER SIGNS BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL AND MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING ANY ADDITIONAL VARIANCES NEEDED FOR FUTURE SCIENCE WOULD BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE ZONING TEXT. UH THEY ARE PROPOSING A WALL SIGN ON EACH, UM FRONTAGE. TWO OF THE WALL SIGNS MEET CODE AND, UM, ONE OF THE WALL SIGNS ON THE EAST SIDE. MEETS CODE. UM. STANDARDS EXCEPT FOR THE SIZE. THE SIZE IS DETERMINED BY THE LENGTH OF THE FRONTAGE, AND THEY ARE PERMITTED TO HAVE 35 SQUARE FOOT SIGN ON THAT EAST SIDE. THEIR CURRENT SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE 36.72 SQUARE FEET. AND SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ABOUT THE APPLICANT EITHER REVISE THE SIGN TO MEET CODE OR SUBMIT A VARIANCE APPLICATION TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF SENDING APPEALS. THEY DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER SIGNS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. THEY ARE PROPOSING A NINE FT TALL UM , CLEARANCE SIGN. THERE IS NO WOW LOGO ON THAT SIGN IT MEETS CODE. THEY ARE PROPOSING A NUMBER OF, UM DIGITAL PICK UP SIGNS THAT MEET CODE. UH WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE EXACT LOCATION. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE SIGN SITE PLAN AND THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN IS TO WEAR THOSE WOULD BE LOCATED BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WOULD BE LOCATED. I THINK IN ABOUT FOUR PARKING SPOTS. AND THE PATRONS WOULD PULL UP IN THOSE PARKING SPOTS FOR RECEIVING THEIR ORDER. AND THEN THE LAST SIGN IS AN ANNOUNCED SIGN IN THE PLACE OF
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WHERE A MENU BOARD SIGNED WITH TYPICALLY BE AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY PROVIDE DETAILS ON THE ANNOUNCED SIGN AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. IN CONCLUSION. THE PROPOSAL MEETS MANY OF THE GOALS AND THEY ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN , SUCH AS PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG THE ROADWAYS AND INTO THE SITE AND UTILIZING HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS BY INCORPORATING FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IN AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION, GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR SURROUNDING AREA AND WILL SERVE AS AN AMENITY TO THE NEW HAPPENING BUSINESS PARK. THE PROPOSED BUILDING AS WELL DESIGNED AND CONSISTS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH OTHER RETAIL BUILDINGS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATION STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED IN THIS STAFF REPORT. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AN ENGINEERING ON THIS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRPERSON. WE REVIEWED THE SUBMITTAL. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CODE. AND, UH, WE ARE PROVIDED AN EXHIBIT SHOWING WHAT THE CORRECT SIGNATURE BLOCK NEEDS TO BE, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE NEED TO SEE A BOUNDARY MONUMENTS AT CORNERS AND CHANGES OF DIRECTION ALONG THE PARCEL LINE, AND WE ALWAYS LIKE TO ASK FOR SIGHT DISTANCE TRIANGLES AT THE CURB CUTS TO ENSURE THAT MURDEROUS VIEW IS NOT OBSTRUCTED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO THANK YOU CAN HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN, PLEASE. OH IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD SORRY AS THE AFRICAN UM, I'M STEVE PARKS WITH PRIMARY GROUP. FROM THE PROJECT. VERY GOOD REPORT THAT CHELSEA HAD PRESENTED. WE WILL. APPEARED TO ANY. THAT SEEMS OUT OF LINE. SIGNING PACKAGE. UM, COURT CHAPEL CORPORATE HAS CHANGED THEIR SCIENCE. INFORMED MOREOVER, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY. STAFF ON THAT. FOR THE ARCHITECT. AND THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS HERE? OH, YEP. COME UP TO THE MIC, PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. COME UP TO THE MIC AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. AND I OWN THE BUILDING. NOT A MURDER. THE WEALTH CENTER HARMONY. THAT 93 5 JOBS. AND A HALF YEARS. RIGHT? I WENT AND MET WITH. AUGUST 30TH. FOLLOW UP BEING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. UM, THERE WAS. COULD POSSIBLY PROCESS SO I DON'T. IS SHARED BETWEEN. STORE. TO GET UP TO THE LIGHT.
TRY IT. CONSTRUCTION ORDER. TALKING ABOUT? FORMULA, HORATIO THINKING. TOLD ME YOU'RE BACK.
MYSELF. OKAY YOURSELF HERE. THOSE SPOTS. DRAFT.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS WILL END UP FEELING. THEY ARE. WOW. SURELY MORE I SHOULD THANK YOU.THANK YOU. UM YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? UM WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY. AT THIS POINT, IF ANYTHING COMES. CLOSER TO THE MIC. WHEN YOU SPEAK. SPEAK TO THE MICRO, PLEASE. SURE. IT WON'T GET PICKED UP AND WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HERE UNDERSTOOD AHEAD. TOURNAMENT LANDSCAPING MHM. OFFERED OVER THERE. EAST SIDE THAT STUFF AGAINST YOU. WE TECHNICALLY HAVE A ZERO ON THE PROPERTY. BUT WE'RE GOING ON. PRIVATE ACCESS TO RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, BEFORE ANYTHING THAT COMES IN THE NORTH. ACCESS TO THE PRIVATE ACCESS FROM FROM THE EAST. NOTHING'S BEEN DETERMINED.
UM. IF IT DOES, IT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH HERE AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER THE COMMISSION AND STAFF. THE PROPHET. THAT WAS GOOD. YEAH. YOU HAVE THAT SPACE. AGAIN. I. YOURS. WE WERE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF PROTECT WHAT BUILT THERE AND. BUT AGAIN THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GET OKAY? EITHER USE THAT FRONT PRIVATE ACCESS RIGHT NOW. UH HUH. GIRL COUNTER HE WAS SITTING RIGHT INVOLVED YOUR LEGS. DR. SO MAYBE A SHARE. 19 OUR SHARED ACCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. UM YOU KNOW? WISH 1000, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER NICE. UM BUT YEAH, CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE WITH TAMPERING IN THE GLOVE FOR HE'S A REASONABLE GUY AND DON'T THAT WENT DOWN.
UM, PLOTTED AROUND, UM. I'M HAPPY, AWFUL FURTHER, BUT YOU MIND GOING TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN GET ON THE RECORD. UM I DON'T MIND HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MY I DON'T KNOW HOW RELIABLE FIVE. HE IS A NICE GUY. I'M SURE HE'LL WANT SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW? THINK ABOUT COURSES AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. HEY, GREG, IS THIS THIS IS THE PRIVATE DRIVE YOU? YES HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT YOUR PRIVATE DRIVE? IT'S LIKE HALF.
SO IT'S WEIRD. THERE'S IT'S LIKE, HALF MINE AND HALF THERE'S THE WAY THERE'S LIKE A LINE. BY SO YOU'RE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THIS THIS PART HERE. RIGHT? SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT.
I UNDERSTAND THE OVERFLOW PARKING, POTENTIALLY THIS. THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS MORE OF A DRIVE THROUGH MORE THAN A SIT IN RESTAURANT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING? THE INTENT OF THIS RESTAURANT IS NOT AS MUCH A DINING AS IT IS ALWAYS VOLATILE ANYMORE. THERE'S LESS PATRONS VISITING ITSELF. PICK UP YEAH, DOORDASH IS BIG ENTREPRENEUR. ESPECIALLY IN THE DAYTIME. BUT THERE IS A CROSS EX. EXCUSE ME, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE PRIVATE ACCESSORIZE WITH EVERYBODY AND NOT IN THAT AREA. SHARED MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S NOT DOESN'T JUST HAVE TO MAINTAIN HIS SIDE.
WE MAINTAIN OUR IS IT'S THE FULL ACCESS TRAP. YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER END, SHE DESCRIBES THE ONE
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THAT CROSSES THE REST FOR PEOPLE THEY HEARD. GET OVER TO HIM THROUGH US. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL MAINTENANCE ARE IT'S AN ARIA AGREEMENT. SO DO YOU FORESEE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH HERE TO ACCESS RESTAURANT? TO ACCESS TO THE RESTAURANT. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM WHERE THEY JUMP OFF. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S MORE TUBES OF WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT OF US.YOU COULD SAY IF THEY'RE COMING FROM 62, THAT WOULD PROBABLY LIKELY BE THE MAIN ACCESS POINT TO THE RESTAURANT. IS THAT CORRECT OR THE GO INTO THE NEXT ONE THAT THERE IS, HOWEVER. SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN 62 RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO RESTRAINT AND THEY'RE GONNA BOULEVARDS THINGS OFF. SURE.
WHAT. I MEAN, I. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE TRIED, BUT I WOULD STRONGLY URGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER. PERHAPS, BUT SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT HE WILL PAY X NUMBER MAINTENANCE PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE VOLUME OF CARS VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE GOING NEXT AGAIN. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ALONG THAT LINE, SO THIS CONNECTS TO WHAT I'LL CALL BEAVER HEIMER CLASSIC, THE OLD PART OF THE BEHIND THE ROUGHLY AND THAT'S A NEW ONE TO THE LEFT. YEAH WELL, THIS THIS GOES TO THIS IS MODERN PEOPLE WHO ENROLL CALL IT AND EVENTUALLY CONNECTS TO THE STRAIGHT PART OF PEOPLE HUNGRY. I DIDN'T NOTICE THE IS THERE ACCESS IN THAT DIRECTION. DOESN'T. OKAY? THERE WE GO. OKAY THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SEE ME IN.
THE AFTERNOON IT IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE PLAN OF THE THEY'RE EXPECTING MOST OF YOUR EXIT TRAFFIC COULD BE RIGHT THERE. IS THAT YOU KNOW RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF YOUR EXIT POINTS. YOU KNOW, IT ALL DEPENDS. THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET TO PEOPLE. I MEAN TO GET THERE BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE THE I'M THINKING THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC GOING SOUTH ON 60 TO GO OUT THIS SELF YAHOO, EITHER THERE OR THEY'RE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. INTERNAL ROTOR DESIGNED FOR ALL THE PEOPLES INVOLVEMENT. RIGHT? ARE WE SAFE TO ASSUME THE OTHER CHIPOTLE, THE CURRENT CHIPOTLE WHEREBY JOHN EAGLE WILL. BE EXTINCT ONCE THIS ONE GOES UP. IN ADDITION, I DOUBT IT. HE PROBABLY PLANNED FOR CANNIBALIZATION, BUT IT'S REALLY IT'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT MARKET OVER THERE. YOU GET ALL THE HOUSING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THIS IS PASSING TRAFFIC. IT'S TO THEM. IT'S JUST TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS, GENERALIZATIONS. NEGLIGIBLE OKAY . STARBUCKS, STEVE BUILT A PRESIDENT. CANNIBALIZATION WILL BE VERY HIGH, GIVEN THE CURRENT BUSINESS OPERATIONS ON THAT PLACE. CHINESE EAGLE. THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY, UM YEAH. WHICH IS. JUST THERE LAST NIGHT. I DIDN'T ORDER ANYTHING. YOU WERE TOO SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? WELCOME TO COLUMBUS. RIGHT? UM FOR THE DEVELOPER FOR THE APPLICANT, UM SO YOU'RE FINE WITH THERE BEING NO MENU BOARD SIGN AND YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING SUCH IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S PROBABLY SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO JUST MEET CODE. IF THERE IS A VERY REALIZED, HE SAID, THAT WE WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO, YOU KNOW. THEY JUST NOT JUST SQUEEZE ARE STARTING DOWN AND JUST MEET CODE AND BE OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY WE ACCEPT WANTED THE NEEDS A VARIANCE, NOT ALWAYS A GIVEN TO BE A VERY CLEAR THINK AND UNDERSTOOD GOODNESS. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE STAFF FOR
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JUST A SECOND. I MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT IT. SO IN THE STAFF REPORT. MY FIRST QUESTION IS TOO BAD ACTUALLY BEEN, IS THERE HOW DOES THE ALLOCATION OF SORT OF THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE OF THESE PRIVATE ROADS. GET HANDLED. TYPICALLY IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT IN THE CROSS ACCESS. YEAH IT IS IT OR IS HOW IS THAT FIGURED OUT? GENERALLY AN ISSUE. BETWEEN THE TWO LANDOWNERS THAT SAID, I GUESS HATES THEM ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO AN ARTS ISSUE, I THINK, WHICH IS WHY WE AS A CITY DON'T LIKE THEM BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE A FIGHT OVER WHO PAYS FOR IT, AND NEITHER PAYS FOR IT. WE HAVE A CRAPPY ROAD. BUT THE CITY, CHINA YEAH, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WHY WE ENCOURAGE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, ENCOURAGE PUBLIC STREETS AND ALLEYS. SO I WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT. BUT I CAN'T. SO YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.YOU GOT IT. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. NOT THIS ONE THIS TIME. UNFORTUNATELY UM, SO THERE WAS SOME ISSUES IN THE STAFF REPORT TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNS GENERALLY, AND FOR EXAMPLE, UM.
ON PAGE SEVEN. IT SHOULD PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED. THE APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT PROVIDES DETAILS ON THE ANNOUNCED SIGNED. I DON'T THINK I HEARD YET ANY DETAILS ON THE ANNOUNCED SIGNED TO DO WE HAVE A SENSE BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS AS TO WHAT THE ANNOUNCED SIGN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHAT THE DETAILS ARE. I'M ALWAYS RELUCTANT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, TOO. WE'VE SEEN THIS OCCASIONALLY IN THE PAST. WHERE WE APPROVE APPLICATIONS WITH A LOT OF NEBULOUS INFORMATION ABOUT THEM AND ALWAYS MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE. SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LEAST TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY ANNOUNCED SIGNED. DETAILS ARE GOING TO BE AS YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TODAY.
THANK THE SCIENCE PACKAGE COMING SEPARATELY. ASIDE FROM THIS. WE DO CONCUR THAT WALGREENS CONDITIONS AND COMING WITH APPROVED PACKAGE. WITHOUT ACCIDENT FOR APPEARANCES AT THIS TIME. SO WE CAN COME IN. THREE GAMES AND PROVIDE A PACKAGE THAT DETAILS EVERY SIGNAGE. I LOVE THE BUILDING SIGNS OF ONE NIGHT. ANNOUNCED AND WHATNOT. LET ME GIVE YOU THAT SEPARATELY. SO.
NO, I DIDN'T HAVE TO GET THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW. I THINK THAT THEY WANT TO DO IS GET USE. AND IN THE BUILDING LOCATION GEL, UNTREATED BUILDING ARCHITECTURE. SO CIVIL ARCHITECTURE, BUT THEY'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK LATER. CAREFUL, DETAILED, SIGNED BACK. DID SHOW SOMETHING THAT WAS PROBABLY CLOSE. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DETAILS ONCE I NEED TO DO ALL RIGHT. SO BASICALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS TO TELL US TONIGHT. TELL US, ALL RIGHT? SO I GUESS IT WILL BE PLEASED TO MEET CODE WITHOUT A VARIANCE. WHAT'S THAT ? OTHER THAN THE COMMITMENT WE'VE JUST HEARD AND HEARD REPEATED THAT THEY'LL BRING A SIGN PACKAGE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE APPEARANCE. WELL I'M NOT SURE THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT COMMITMENT. THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BE OKAY. MANY PERCENT SURE THAT IT'S COMPARED. BUT IF THEY WANT TO COME INTO OUR PARENTS, THEY KNOW THERE'S AN INTERESTING CORRECT. THE WAY THAT RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVALS WORDED NOW IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT ALL SIGNAGE WILL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. UNLESS DOESN'T MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS THEN, BUT AT THIS TIME, THE WAY THE WORDING IS THE PLANNING CONVENTION WOULD NOT SEE ANY SIGN PACKAGES. AND YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND TWO MEALS POINT EARLIER. IT'S A LOT HARDER TO GET THINGS THROUGH AS A VARIANCE THAN IT IS AS PART OF THE INITIAL PLAN. JUST SO YOU'RE
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AWARE AND WE WOULD IF YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, UNDERSTAND? HE MAY WANT TO.WELL, I GUESS IT'S TOO LATE NOW IF HE WANTS TO VOTE ON IT, BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THE WHAT WE CALL THE DUNCAN FACTORS, WHICH ARE THE FACTORS THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT. IF YOU DO COME IN AND WANT A SIGN THAT DOESN'T BECOME WHAT REQUIREMENTS. LEGALLY THERE ARE FOR YOU TO MEET THE HIGH BURDEN TO GET A VARIANCE OVER WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. WHEN YOU COME IN THIS TIME, IT'S REALLY MORE OF A FORMALITY THAT FOR THE SAME PACKAGE, OKAY? IN THE THRESHOLD.
YEAH, BECAUSE OF WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER IS THAT IT'S LIKE THE IMPRESSION I GOT IS THAT THE SIGN SITUATION THAT THAT CHIPOTLE SEEMS TO BE IN SOME SORT OF FLUX, AND WE HAVE SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND COLOR REQUIREMENTS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. YOU MAY NOT MEET CODE WHEN YOU COME IN WITH THE ACTUAL SIGN. THAT'S REALLY ALL I GET. YES I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK REAL QUICK. I THINK MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR FOR GREG. BUT CAN WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF THIS ACCESS ROAD? I MEAN, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THERE? YOU KNOW , WHY IS IT A PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD? IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT YOU IF SOMEONE CAN SHARE ON THAT? YES SO THIS PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE WAS INSTALLED? I BELIEVE BY THE DEVELOPER WHEN THIS REZONING WAS INITIALLY PUT IN, SO IT'S PART OF THE SHOPS OF WALTON PARKWAY TO THE WEST, REALLY BLUE AGAVE AND TIM HORTONS IS, UM OH, YEAH, SURE, THAT'D BE GREAT. AND THEN IT WAS INSTALLED, UM, AS A DRIVE TO SET UP ESSENTIALLY A NETWORK SIMILAR, BUT ON A SMALLER SCALE TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE TRUST CORE ACROSS THE STREETS, AND THEN UH, THIS, UM, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT TO WHERE THEIR SHARED ACCESS DRIVES BETWEEN THE SITES WHY IT WAS AGREED UPON AND ALLOWED TO BE A PRIVATE DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PRIVATE DRIVES LIKE WOODCREST WAY THAT EXISTS IN THIS AREA WITH A BACKBONE, SO TO SPEAK OF PRIVATE DRIVES, UM, SO MAYBE IT WAS JUST SORT OF SCENE. UM AS AGREEABLE AT THE TIME TO ALLOW THIS TO BE PRIVATE DRIVES. WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO THE CITY WHERE WE DO ALWAYS SUPPORT PUBLIC STREETS AND ALLEYS. FOR THESE REASONS, YOU KNOW ANOTHER BIG ISSUE OR IT SHOULD SAY, UM, ITEM FOR US IS CONNECTIVITY. WE THINK YOU KNOW , ONE OF THE STRONGEST SUITS OF THIS APPLICATION IS THE LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY. TO THESE PRIVATE DRIVES THAT CONNECTING TO ALL OF THEM. THAT WAS PART OF OUR REVIEW AS WELL IN THAT EVALUATION TO ENSURE ITS IT IS TAKING FOR ADVANTAGE OF THOSE ACCESS DRIVES THESE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVES IN THIS CASE. TO THE MIC. PLEASE. WHEN I WENT DOWN AND VISITED THE NEW OWNERS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY DO DEVELOP THAT SECOND PARTICLE POSSIBLY POPPING IN AN ACCESS ROAD ON THAT SIDE, WHICH AGAIN WOULD DRIVE MORE TRAFFIC ON THAT. PRIVATE ROAD. UM, BUT AGAIN. SHIELDING. EXPAND, MAINTAINING THAT IS. GET A MAN CAN'T STOP DEVELOPMENT. NOR AM I TRYING TO JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'VE GOT THERE AND KEEP IT LOOKING BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU FOR ASKING. I ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, TOO. UM. TO SERVICE POINT THAT SHE BROUGHT UP NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS SORT OF WIDER RANGE, RIGHT? AMATEUR TODAY. I'M SORRY. UM SO. IT'S KIND OF EASY TO SEE HOW ACCESS WILL BE FROM THE NORTH FROM THE NORTH. OR THE EAST. NORTHEAST. BUT, UM.
BECAUSE I GUESS YOU CAN COME IN ON THE RIGHT IN ON THAT PRIVATE DRIVE AND THEN TURN LEFT AND THEN GOING TO GO INTO THE PORTAL THROUGH ONE OF THE TWO UM ENTRANCES THAT ARE THERE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE SOUTH? HOW HOW IS THE SENSE OF HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ACCESS? SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH COMING IN . I THINK THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TODAY, OR AT LEAST IT WILL BE. ONCE THE CITY STREET IMPROVEMENTS GO INTO THIS WILL BE BOULEVARD AND I BELIEVE SO. IF YOU WERE TO GET INTO THE SITE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP, MAKE A LEFT AND THEN TURN INTO LOOP AROUND, I BELIEVE WILL BE THE FUTURE CONDITION. I DON'T THINK I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW IF SO, MR FOX NEWS INTERRUPT REAL QUICK. SO I THOUGHT MAYBE I'M WRONG BECAUSE I READ THAT. REPORT LAST NIGHT, BUT I THOUGHT I READ SOMETHING IN THE REPORT
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THAT INDICATED THAT BUT THAT SOUTHWESTERN ENTRANCE WAS MORE OF AN HOUR. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE WOULD BE MORE OF AN OUTSIDER THROUGH. THERE'S SO THERE'S FOUR CONNECTIONS, UM, TO THE PRIVATE ACTOR TO THE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVES THESE SHARED DRIVE. SO UH , THERE'S AN ACCIDENTALLY SO THIS IS SORT OF THE BAILOUTS HERE OR COULD BE USED AS AN EXIT FROM THE DRIVE THRU, AND THEN WE COUNT THIS DRIVE THROUGH EXIT AS ONE AS WELL. UM SO THIS IS ALSO ALLOWS FOR CARS TO PASS OR TO SIT AND IF THEY NEED TO, SO THERE'S A DOUBLE LINE HERE, AND THIS WOULD BE AN EXIT ONLY AND SO DRIVERS HERE COULD GO LEFT OR RIGHT AND THEN TO GET INTO THE SITES, UM IT'S FROM TWO ENTRANCES FROM THIS ONE HERE IN THIS ONE HERE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY CONNECT THE DR ISLES THROUGHOUT THE SITE, SO USERS CAN CIRCLE THE SITE OR ENTER THE DRIVE THRU AT THEIR CHOOSING, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LIKE ABOUT THE SITE IS THAT IT DOES PROVIDE INAUDIBLE MEANS OF BOTH INGRESS AND EGRESS TO ESSENTIALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO SORT OF GET THEIR CHIPOTLE AND RUN SO TO SPEAK, UM, AND THEN PROVIDING MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS TO THIS PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE. WHILE IT DOES ADD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ONTO THIS ACCESS DRIVE IT DOES ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL DISPERSEMENT OF TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, AND IT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE PURE PROXIMITY OF THIS DRIVE, THAT'S YOU KNOW, SORT OF AN EXTENSION OF THE EVIL HEIMER . YOU KNOW, DRIVERS, I THINK WOULD BE INCLINED TO USE THIS AND TO BE LIKELY. THE EASIEST MEANS WHEN USING THE DRIVE THROUGH OKAY, SO THAT'S SOUTHWESTERN ENTRANCE THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE INTEREST IS VOTING THAT'S IN AND OUT. SO THIS ONE IS EXIT ONLY. EXIT ONLY. IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT. AND THEN THIS IS THIS PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE HERE, AND THAT'S THE PRIVATE ACCESS IN AND OUT. SO THIS IS TWO WAY TRAFFIC ACROSS ALL SIDES. YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE TRAPPED. COME IN THE LOOP AROUND AND COME IN THIS ONE SINGLE ENTRANCE SO THAT ALL THE DRIVE CARS PULLING IN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TURNING LEFT INTO THEM. THEY'RE PULLING OUT TRYING TO GET IN THE SAME. IT SEEMS LIKE SEVEN FOR ACTION. RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE. SO INITIALLY, I THINK TODAY YOU CAN MAKE A LEFT IN HERE IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH BUT I DO THINK WE BOULEVARD I AGREE. BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THIS TWO WAY TRAFFIC IN THIS TWO WAY TRAFFIC. WE DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICTS INTERNALLY HERE. PLEASURE COMING. COMING OUT. GET BACK ON THE FREEWAY. JUST CROSSING WITH EVERYBODY. COMING JUST FROM THAT DIRECTION, BUT USERS WHO ARE COMING FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS . UM NOT NECESSARILY FROM THE SOUTH. BUT AS WE MENTIONED COMING FROM THE EAST OR FROM THE NORTH WOULD HAVE MORE OPTIONS TO ENTER THE SITE. SO HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU GET ON TO 62 GOING? WORTH SO IF YOU WERE GOING TO 62 NORTH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE EITHER THIS SHARED DRIVE HERE TO MAKE A RIGHT ON WALTON OR USE THIS SHARED DRIVE HERE TO MAKE A DRIVE ON OR TO MAKE A RIGHT ON WALTON AND THEN MAKE A LEFT AT THE INTERSECTION THERE. OKAY PARKWAY IN 62. IS THERE GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE FOR CARS THAT ARE INEVITABLY GOING TO TURN OUT AND TURN LEFT. THEY CAN. THEY CAN GET BACK ONTO 62. BUT THEN THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND THEN SOUTH AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TURN AROUND SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SO AS FAR AS LIKE INTERNAL CIRCULATION FOR GROUND SIGNAGE FOR THIS APPLICANT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE APPLICANTS LIKE OTHER USERS WILL REQUEST A HORSE FENCE SIGNS, SO THERE'S EXISTING COURSE FENCE ON THE FRONT OF THE SITE, SO THERE'S SIGNAGE AROUND HERE ON THE HORSEMAN, AND I BELIEVE THE WEALTH CENTER HAS ONE. TWO ON THE HORSE, SPENCER. MAYBE IT'S ON THE CORNER, SO THERE WILL BE SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC. STREETS SO FROM JOHNSTOWN ROAD, THE APPLICANTS WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT THERE ARE SOME CODE DOES ALLOW FOR DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE INSIDE THE SITE, AS WELL AS A SIGN THAT SAYS TO 62 NORTH IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE INTERVIEW POINTS. DON'T GO. DOWN TO BE BEHIND THE 62 BECAUSE WE WANTED GOING SOUTH. ESPECIALLY IN THE BALLPARK GOES IN MHM. AND I THINK THIS WAS ALREADY STATED, BUT THIS ONE WASN'T WORKING OUT EITHER. BUT.SOMEONE JUST REMIND ME WHO OWNS THESE THE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE TO THE LEFT. ON THE LEFT SIDE. I
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BELIEVE, UM IT'S OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR CHIPOTLE AND SHARED WITH THE FOLKS. TO THE WEST. THE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE ON THE LIST. THE BLUE AGAVE? YEAH. PERSONAL. YEAH. IS HALF ITS SO HALF OWNED BY THEM AND HALF OWNED BY THE EXACT DETAILS ON THE PRIVATE ACCESS AGREEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND HOW MUCH IS SO WE JUST CHECKED THE AUDITOR SITES, AND IT'S LIKE THIS PRIVATE DRIVE, LIKE FROM LIKE CURB TO CURB IS OWNED BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. CAN WE CAN WE PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THERE BE THAT TYPE OF INTERNAL SIGNAGE THAT INDICATES YOU KNOW THIS WAY TO 62 SO WE CAN HELP. CURVED WHAT I SENSE IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. I WOULDN'T CALL IT A NIGHTMARE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC. IN 20. NOTIFICATION OF BOULEVARD. IMPROVEMENT. BUT IT'S PROBABLY BETTER FROM A LONG TERM TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. DID YOU NOD YOUR HEAD? STEVE? IS THAT SOMETHING? YEAH SORRY ON SITE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE FOR GETTING TO 62 IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT PLAIN COMMISSION APPROVAL. AFRICAN COMMIT TO THAT SO TO PUTTING INTERNAL. HOW SHOULD WE PHRASE THAT INTERNAL SIGNING JOHN HOW TO GET BACK TO US? 62 THEN MAKE IT SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL.YOU'LL BE GREAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING AT? IN TERMS OF THE CIRCULATION OF THE TRAFFIC? I JUST LATEST. I WANT FIRST TIME THROUGH ALL THE LOCALS OR MESS IT UP, AND THEN WE'LL GET IT RIGHT. AND THEN BUT ALL EVERYBODY ELSE IS GONNA CONTINUE. IT'S GONNA BE LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY ON THE CARS GOING THE WRONG WAYS. CHELSEA CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THE OTHER PICTURE OF THE LAB? DID YOU GET THAT NAIL? WAIT FOR ANY SCIENCE EDITOR STEPHANE COOPER. SO THAT PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT IS EXACTLY ADJACENT TO THAT WILL WORK OUT. PLAZA THAT'S HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING IN AND OUT OF BLUE AGAVE JERSEY. MIKE'S TIM HORTONS. YEAH. AND THAT'S OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY COULDN'T SPEAK TO MAINTENANCE, BUT IT'S LIKELY MAINTAINED, BUT IT ISN'T BUDGING OPENING COMPANY. A NOTRE STAFF. BUT WE'RE CONDUCTING CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS. DO WE WANT TO LOOK AHEAD TOWARDS POTENTIAL LANGUAGE FOR CROSS MAINTENANCE. OR SHARED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR THE BENEFICIARIES. CERTAINLY AS IF WE GET MORE PRIVATE ROADS LIKE THIS IN THE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE AND THE AGREEMENTS ON THAT. MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT OF THE APPROVED AT PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL. IT'S GOING TO APPROVE PRIVATE ROADS. LET'S AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE GETS SCREWED BY OH, I HAVE A LOT OF FRONTAGE AND VERY A LOT OF FUN AND VERY LITTLE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND I'LL MORE THE ROAD THAN ANYBODY ELSE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE USES KIND OF SCENARIOS. I THINK AND MAYBE AT THE FOOT OF BEN.
BUT I THINK THAT CERTAINLY WE COULD ASK TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS MAINTENANCE. WE COULD WORK WITH BEN AND THE APPLICANT. I DON'T KNOW AS THE CITY SINCE IT IS PRIVATE. HOW MUCH SAY WE COULD HAVE ON HOW MUCH EACH PARTY IS MAINTAINING BEFORE THE FACT NOT AFTER THE FACT. CAN WE ASK THEM TO BRING LANGUAGE TO US AS PART OF THEIR PACKAGE? I THINK YOU CAN. YOU CAN ASK THEM TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH ANYTHING REQUIRE THEM AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN A PRIVATE DRIVE. GOOD HEALTH.
SUCCESS WITH. GO AHEAD. SO IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO TAKE IT OVER, THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST THE CITY TO ACCEPT THAT ROAD AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN ONCE IT BECOMES PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE CITY AGREES TO MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THE REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO START THAT PROCESS. PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS ALSO ECHOES BACK TO RIGHT OVER THERE. WHERE. PRIVATE STREETS DIDN'T GET EXTENDED TO DIFFERENT DEVELOPER. BECAUSE THE
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CURRENT OWNERS WERE ANGRY AT ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PRIVATE STREETS. ALSO MORE PROBLEM. AND NOT AMENITY, AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THEM WE WANT TO KNOW. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING A PROBLEM. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE THAT REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN 1 15 2022. YOU HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. OH, PLEASE, MR KIRBY. MR SCHELL? YES MISS BRIGGS? YES MR WALLACE? YES, DOCUMENTS PAST 40. DO YOUR EMOTION ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF. CONDITIONS YOU GOT ONE MORE CONDITION. UM SO THE COMMISSION'S REPORT PLUS THE FIFTH CONDITION THAT WE'RE FINDING SCIENCE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. NOT TRUE MOVE FOR APPROVAL. FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 1 15 2022 SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND IF, IF CONDITION THAT THE AFGHAN AGREES TO PUT IN WAY, FINDING SIGNS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. SECOND DISGUST. DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. CAN I HEAR THE ROLE, PLEASE, MR KIRBY ? YES MR WALLACE? YES, MR SHOW? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. SINCE 40.GOOD LUCK. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. TO PLAN 1 16. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF AND A CONDITIONAL USE? PROBABLY HAVEN'T HEARD WITH IT. YES THAT IS OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE THE TWO AND THE ONE PRESENTATION, OKAY? THE APPLICANT REQUESTS BOTH A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A VALVOLINE TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF US 62 FOREST DRIVE. AND NORTH OF WOODCREST WAY WITHIN CONTINUE TRUST CORP THE SITE IS 1.25 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THIS SITE IS SITUATED BETWEEN THE DAIRY QUEEN AND POPEYE SITE. THE BUILDING VERY QUICKLY. IS IT THE WHOLE SITE BETWEEN THERE? YES.
IT'S INDICATED WITH THE STAR BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINES OR NOT CLEAR ON THE MAP, BUT IT IS ALL OF THAT GREEN SPACE BETWEEN DAIRY QUEEN AND THE POPEYE'S. THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION DROVE BY IT. IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY BIG SPACE, AND I WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS JUST THE REMAINING SPACE BETWEEN. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS 2087 SQUARE FEET WITH THE BASEMENT. THE BUILDINGS TOTAL GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 4154 SQUARE FEET. THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM ONE THANK YOU, UM, WONDERFUL ACCESS CURB CUT ALONG WOODCREST WAY. AND THIS IS ANOTHER PRIVATE ROAD. BE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM A SHARED RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. UM AND THIS PORTION AND THAT IT WOULD BE A RIGHT OUT CURB CUT CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE DAIRY QUEENS SITE NEXT DOOR. THERE IS A SHARED ACCESS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THIS SITE AND DAIRY QUEEN. AND THE POPEYE'S SITE NEXT DOOR DEREK QUEEN AND VALVOLINE SHARE THAT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ON JOHNSTOWN ROAD, AND THEN THE ACCESS, UM, TO POPEYE'S WOULD ALLOW FOR PROCESS ACCENT ACCESS BETWEEN THE THREE SITES. THE BUILDING IS SURROUNDED BY PARKING LOT INTERNAL DR ISLES AND QUEUING LANES FOR CARS WANTING TO ENTER THE BUILDING FOR THE OIL CHANGE. THE THREE QUEUING LANES ARE SEEN HERE ON THIS SITE PLAN, AND THEY APPEAR TO BE APPROPRIATELY POSITIONED ON THIS SITE WHERE IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH TRAFFIC ON THE REST OF THE SITE AND WILL NOT CAUSE TRAFFIC TO BACK UP ONTO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ROADS. THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED LOT COVERAGE FOR THE ZONING TEXT IS 80% THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT WITH 45% TOTAL LOCK COVERAGE. THE APPLICANT
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ALSO MEETS OR EXCEEDS ALL OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THE PROPOSED PLAN MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH 11 PARKING SPACES AND EXCEEDS REQUIREMENTS BY PROVIDING NINE STACKING SPACES. THE STUDY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN AND RECOMMENDS THAT THEY ALIGN THE. SHARED DRIVE WITH THE EXISTING CURB CUT ESTABLISHED BY POPEYE'S BY STRAIGHTENING OUT THIS, UM. PAVEMENT LINE IN THE FRONT HERE. AND BY STRAIGHTENING OUT THIS LINE, THEY WOULD BE ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE PAVEMENT TO GET RID OF THIS CURVE. BETWEEN THEM AND POPEYE'S. UM THIS WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT DRIVE. I'LL THROUGH THE THREE SITES AND BECAUSE THEY'RE SO LOW, UNLOCK COVERAGE , ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE PAVEMENT WOULD NOT PUT THEM OVER A LOT COVERAGE AND THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO MOVE THEIR HEDGEROW, AS INDICATED WITH THE PINK LINE IN FRONT OF THE NEW, UM PAVEMENT ADDED THERE JUST TO STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT BETWEEN ALL THREE COME ON DRIVES FOR A NICE STRAIGHT ALIGNMENT. UM. SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO THIS SITE PLAN BEING MET AT THE TIME OF ENGINEERING PERMITS AND SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THE MAJORITY OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES MEET CODE AND, UM ZONING TEXT REQUIREMENTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO STANDARDS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO INSTALL SIXTH STREET TREES ALONG WOODCREST WAY. I THOUGHT THEY ARE PROVIDING FIVE TREES. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THE EXISTING TREES ON THE PLAY AND DO NOT APPEAR TO BE IN THE CORRECT LOCATION. SO SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS APPLICATION. WE WOULD ADD ARE SUGGESTED CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT ADD ONE MORE TREE FOR A TOTAL OF SIX REQUIRED TREES. AND THAT THEY LOCATE THEM , UM, BETWEEN THE CURB IN THE TREE LINE. ON THE OTHER LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY ARE NOT MEETING PER THE ZONING TEXT. THE PARKING LOT SHALL BE SCREENED FROM RIGHT AWAY WITH A MINIMUM OF 36 INCH. I EVER GREEN LANDSCAPE HEDGE OR WALL. THEY DO PROVIDE THIS HEDGE PLANTING ALONG THE 62 SIDE. IT IS ALSO REQUIRED ALONG THE WOODCREST WAY SIDE TO SCREEN THESE HEAD AND PARKING SPACES FROM THE STREET. SO SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS APPLICATION. WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT ALSO BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE BRICK CUSTOM CAST STONE AND METAL AS BUILDING MATERIALS. THE ZONING TEXT PERMITS THE USE OF THESE MATERIALS. THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, AND THE USE OF THE MATERIALS IS APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS AND THE IMMEDIATE AREA. IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THAT ALL ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WILL BE FULLY SCREENED FROM ALL OF THE PUBLIC ROADS. UM BUT JUST THREE ON THE SAFE SIDE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR. SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATION? WE ASKED THAT IT BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. ALL OTHER ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FROM THE ZONING TEXT, THE CITY'S D. G. R S AND THE CITY ZONING CODES ARE BEING MET.AS FAR AS SIGNAGE. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED SIGNED DETAILS FOR THE SITE. DETAILS FOR THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN WHERE NOT PROVIDED IN ADDITION TO OTHER SIGNED DETAILS THAT STILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR FULL EVALUATION. DARK RECOMMEND THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THESE SIGNS AND ALL OTHER SIGN DETAILS BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL AND MUST MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS. IN ADDITION TO THE 2013 TRUST CORP . SIGNING RECOMMENDATIONS PLAY IN AND ANY ADDITIONAL VARIANCES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR SCENTED WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A SEPARATE APPLICATION IN THE FUTURE. IN CONCLUSION. THE PROPOSAL MEETS MANY OF THE GOALS OF THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLANS, SUCH AS PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS
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ALONG ROADWAYS INTO THIS SITE. AS WELL AS UTILIZING HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE. INAPPROPRIATE LOCATION, GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND WILL SERVE AS AN AMENITY TO THE NEW ALBANY BUSINESS PARK. THE OVERALL PROPOSAL ALSO APPEARS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDITIONAL USES. THE PROPOSAL WILL NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR. THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING AUTO ORIENTED USES WITH DRIVE THROUGHS IN THE COMMUNITY TRUST COURT. SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATIONS DEATH RECOMMENDS THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY SUGGESTED CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND WITH THAT AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. ENGINEERING ON THIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRPERSON, UM WE REVIEWED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IMPORTS WITH CODE UM, WE NEED TO HAVE THE SIGNATURE BLOCK ADDED PER CODE.NEED THE MONUMENTS SHOWING OUR CODE. AND THEN THERE WAS A NARRATIVE PROVIDED IN THE TEXT THAT TALKED ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WOULD. HE PROVIDED BY A REGIONAL BASIN ALREADY CONSTRUCTED IN THIS AREA. BUT THE PLANS REFER TO THE TENSION POINTS SO WE'LL GET THAT CLEANED UP DURING FINAL ENGINEERING. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. AND FROM THE APPLICANT. IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING TO ADD. TROUBLE HEARING YOU. I'M ROBIN PACK. I'M A RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE ABILENE. WHAT QUESTIONS MIGHT YOU HAVE FOR ME JUST TO START EVERYTHING OFF. I WONDERS.
FIRST POINTED AT STAFF OF. DO THE GRS APPLY HERE. AND ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE HERE? AH YES, THE D GR SECTION SIX APPLIES AND, UM. THEY DO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM I'M ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE DOOR? SO THE DVRS REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE AN ACT AND AN ACTIVE DOOR ON ALL SIDES THAT ARE FACING A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ROAD. AND THAT SIDE IS FACING DAIRY QUEEN SO THAT SIDE IS EXEMPT THE TWO SIDES THAT WOULD NEED TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT ARE THE SIDES WITH THE RAIDERS. UM AFTER THE APPLICANT DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD BOTH ENGINEERING AND PLANNING? DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD? BOTH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING. NONE AT ALL. CLICK. COMMISSION MEMBERS, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. MR WALL'S ATTORNEY, MIKE, I'M SORRY. SO WITH REGARD TO THE CONDITIONS THAT RELATES TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SHOULD WE, UM INCLUDE LANGUAGE AND SUBSECTION B AND C THAT LET'S START WITH B THAT IT'S JUST THAT THE INSTALLATION AND THE TREELINE BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. I NOTICED IT WAS IN A BUT NOT IN THE OR C C. WHY D. IT'S NOT INDEED BECAUSE 36 CENTS REQUIREMENTS 36 INCH REQUIREMENT. BUT I JUST WONDERED IF WE SHOULD PUT THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGES. YEAH IF THERE IS SOME SOMETHING MISSING, THAT'S NOT CLEAR. YOUR YOU CAN ADD THAT WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE. AND THEN SAME THING WITH C. I JUST ADDED IN WITH THE TREE LOCATION BEING SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL AS WELL. FROM THE PUBLIC WITH ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. LITTLE SHORTER. UH QUESTION THIS, MAYBE FOR STAFF CHELSEA. IF YOU COULD GO BACK, JUST I WANT TO. CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC FLOW AGAIN FOR ME REAL QUICK. PLEASE.
YES SO THERE IS, UM TOO. RIGHT WAY ENTRANCE ON WOODCREST. THAT IS FULL ACCESS. CURB CUT ON WHAT CHRIST AND WOOD CROSSES PRIVATELY. AND YEAH, AND BY. THE CANADIAN TRUST. I BELIEVE IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION AS WE SAW WHERE THE CENTER LINE OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES GO TO THE
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CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD OR THE PROPERTIES GO TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, SO WE DON'T KNOW THE MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS, BUT IT IS SHARED AMONG PRIVATE PROPERTIES. OKAY SO VALVOLINE WOULD HAVE SOME MAINTENANCE OF THE ROLE JUST LIKE DAIRY QUEEN AND POPEYE'S. AND THEN WHOEVER THE OTHER OWNER IS I BELIEVE THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WITHIN OUR LEASE. THAT'S SPECIFICALLY DEFINES THE PARAMETERS, OKAY? SORRY, CHELSEA. THANK YOU GOING. AND THEN, UM, AS PART OF THE DAIRY QUEEN DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE ALREADY INSTALLED THIS, UH , ACCESS RIGHT HERE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT END. FROM THERE, THE DAIRY QUEEN SIDE AND THEY'D BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH HERE. OR THEY CAN LEAVE THE SITE AND GO RIGHT OUT. THIS WAY, OR THEY CAN GO TO POPEYE'S. YES, STORE. THAT'S FULL ACCESS THROUGH THESE THREE SITES. AND SO JUST REAL QUICK WHEN IF THEY COME IN AT THE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY 62. SO THEY'RE TRAVELING NORTH OR EAST ON 62. THEY TURN IN HERE . THEY'RE GOING AVAILABLE LEAN, THEY WOULD COME IN HERE. THEY WOULD GO DOWN HERE. WRAP AROUND AND THESE ARE THE THREE BAYS. MHM YEAH, AND THEN WHEN THEY GO TO LEAVE IF THEY ARE GOING NORTH OR EAST AND 62. THEY WOULD COME OUT HERE AND GO THAT WAY. YES. AND THEN, UM. REMIND ME SO. THIS IS ALSO AN ACCESS POINT. YES AND THEN I BELIEVE POPEYES HAS AN, UM AN ACCESS POINT ON TO FORCE DRIVE OVER HERE SO THEY COULD EVEN GO ON TO POPEYE'S AND THEN CONTINUE ON AND EXIT THIS WAY ON THE FOREST DRIVE, AND FOREST DRIVERS WERE THE LIGHTEST. YEAH AND IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO GO TO POPEYE'S, IS THERE AN ACCESS ROAD HERE? OR DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH POPEYE'S TO GET TO FOREST DRIVE THROUGH POPEYE'S TO GET TO FORCE DRIVE? AND THAT ACCESS. WAS SET UP AT THE TIME OF THE POPEYE'S DEVELOPMENT FOR PEOPLE HERE. IT'S NOT THIS WAY. CORRECT I MEAN, THEY COULD GO AROUND THE POPEYE SITE. OKAY BUT THERE IS AN ACCESS ROAD HERE BETWEEN THE DAIRY QUEEN AND THE VALVOLINE. OKAY? THANK YOU. FOREST FIVE FLIGHTS SEEMS TO BE THE LONGEST FLIGHT IN NEW ALBANY. STOP THAT. THANKS FOR THE WARNING, SO I GUESS I WAS WRONG TO ACCESS POINT IS, UM, DOWN HERE UNDER WOODCREST TO GET OUT TO COURSE TIME. OKAY, SO WAIT SO. OTHER WAY. THERE'S. TWO YOU KNOW THE CAR COMES OUT AND THEY WANT TO GO. SOUTH OR WEST ON 62. SO THEY'RE GONNA GO. LIKE THAT. I'M GUESSING THEY WOULD COME DOWN HERE. THEY CAN. ALSO THERE'S TWO POINTS. ON THERE.OKAY? I WOULD SAY TO ONE OF THE STRONG SEATS ABOUT VALVOLINE. ACTUALLY BOTH THE APPLICATIONS TONIGHT. AS YOU KNOW, FROM A SITE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THEY BOTH HAVE STRONG CONNECTIVITY BOTH INTERNALLY INTO THEIR ADJACENT SITES. AND I THINK BABBLING SET IT UP NICELY WHERE THERE'S TWO 22 LANE ROADS, INTERNAL TO THEIR SITE AS WELL. SO I THINK IF YOU'RE EXITING EVEN IF YOU WANT TO, UM, IF YOU WANT TO GET BACK ON WOODCREST, YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY LOOP BACK AROUND AND JUST USE BABBLING OWN FULL ACCESS ON WOODCREST EXIT AS WELL. SO IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF EXCITING TO SEE SORT OF THIS CROSS ACCESS THIS FINAL PIECE BEING PUT INTO PLACE. AND ALSO PROVIDE ACCESS TO WOODCREST AS WELL, SORT OF LIKE AS THE ORIGINAL. I THINK THOUGHT BEHIND THIS RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS WAS ENVISIONED TO PROVIDE MULTIPLE MEANS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS.
MAYBE A REALLY SILLY QUESTION, BUT BACK TO KIND OF THE POINT WHERE WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE CHIPOTLE AND LIKE THE WAY FINDING, LIKE, DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUS FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FROM AROUND HERE? BECAUSE I COULD SEE YOU KNOW, ON THAT CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN NEW ALBANY. THEY'RE GOING TO AND FROM AND THEY PULL INTO THAT DAIRY QUEEN, AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I'M GONNA GO TO VALVOLINE. BUT THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, HOW DO I GET BACK OUT? IS IT GOING TO BE OBVIOUS? DO YOU THINK I KNOW IT'S MAYBE HARD TO TELL, BUT I'M THINKING, OBVIOUSLY WITH IT OVER TIME, AS THE TREES GET BIGGER, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HOW OBVIOUS WILL BE. I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND THEIR WAY AND I THINK ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THIS TRUST COURSE SITE AS A WHOLE AND EVEN MORE SORT OF ZOOMED OUT PICTURE. BUT THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS THAT I MEAN, YOU COULD REALLY MAKE A MISTAKE, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE MEANS OR IF YOU MISS THIS AND STILL KIND OF GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. BECAUSE OF ALL THE INTERCONNECTIVITY INTERNAL TO
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THE SITES. WE DON'T HAVE THIS CONNECTION YET, BUT THIS WILL BE ANOTHER MEANS TO GET TO SMITH MILL ROAD TO THE SOUTH. SO WE HOPE IT'S OBVIOUS AND THEN PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO WAIVE FINES, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BENEFITS THROUGH CONNECTIVITY OF THIS SITE THROUGH A COMBINATION OF THE PRIVATE WOODCREST WAY AND THE PUBLIC STREETS AND THEN JUST THE CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN SITES.UM IS THAT IF YOU DO MAKE A MISTAKE, WE THINK THERE'S ALWAYS A PLAN B IN PLACE THERE TO GET WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. EVEN IF YOU DO IT ON THE 62. THEN YOU MAKE THE NEXT RIGHT AND YOU TAKE FOREST ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHAT PARKWAY OR SMITH MILLER, WHICH IT ISN'T THERE, AND YOU'VE GOT A LIFE TO GET TO 62 EITHER DIRECTION. AND THEN FINAL QUESTION. THIS IS THE MUUMUU CARWASH SITE. CORRECT. IS THERE ANYTHING HERE? REMIND ME. NOTHING I'M AWARE, BUT I'M GONNA LOOK AROUND THE ROOM. JUST MAKE SURE NEXT TO THE GAS. THIS IS THE GAS STATION. RIGHT TURKEY? YEAH, THAT'S TURKEY HILL. WE DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING GOING IN AT THIS SITE TODAY, BUT WE'VE BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE WILL ASK FOR THE SAME CROSS ACCESS THESE MENTAL RUN ACROSS THE SITE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, JUST SORT OF PREEMPTIVELY INTERNALLY. IS THAT UM YOU KNOW WHERE THAT WE KNOW THAT WELL, ONE ANOTHER CURB CUTS, AT LEAST ALONG WOODCREST. SO IT COULD BE THE SAME THING AS POPEYE'S WHERE , AS FAR AS THE SHARED ACCESS GOES, YOU COULD IN THEORY, YOU KNOW, GO TO POPEYE'S DRIVE ACROSS THE FRONT OF ALL THESE AND MAYBE GET BACK OUT TO WOODCREST IF HE NEEDED AND THEN SORT OF HAVE A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION HERE TO GO TO THE DESTINATION OF YOUR CHOOSING. STEPHEN DO WE KNOW IF THAT STACKING AND DAIRY QUEEN HAS GOTTEN ANY BETTER THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CROSSROAD NOW GOING MAYBE TO THAT NEXT LOT NEXT TO IT. WE BELIEVE SO. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT IT. SINCE THAT ADDED I WOULD CALL LIKE XK PLANE FROM D Q WAS ADDED, UM, SO I DO THINK THERE HAS BEEN A MARKED IMPROVEMENT YET. ACTUALLY, THIS IS A GOOD VIEW OF IT SO DAIRY QUEEN. THEY ADDED THIS EXIT POINTS AND THIS WAS LOOKED AT BY OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. WE DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICT HERE, NECESSARILY FROM TRAFFIC, BUT WE DO THINK THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FLOW. AND ACTUALLY, I THINK, WITH THE ADDITION OF VALVOLINE HERE, IT SHOULD HELP IT OUT EVEN MORE SO PEOPLE HAVE MORE OPTIONS . THREE OPTIONS NOW INSTEAD OF TWO AND LEAVING THE DAIRY QUEEN IN SIGHT. WOULD THIS BE ANOTHER ? WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS WHICH PORTAL A SORT OF INTERNAL SIGNAGE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO GET NORTH AGAIN. BUT ORDER TO GET SOUTH. I MEAN, IF YOU GET ON IF YOU DO COME OUT OF THE VALVE IT LEADING AND END UP.
YOU KNOW, IN THE RIGHT YOU CAN ONLY GO NORTH. YOU CAN'T GO LEFT, WHICH IS ANOTHER SITUATION OR DO WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH? YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, THERE'S ENOUGH ALTERNATIVES. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO END UP GOING RIGHT, YOU CAN GO AROUND THE CORNER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TOO FAR. I THINK AT THE CHIPOTLE, YOU GOTTA GO PRETTY FAR SOUTH BEFORE YOU CAN SORT OF GET YOURSELF STRAIGHTENED OUT. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT TWO COMMISSION MEMBERS IF IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT THAT IN AS A CONDITION OF THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE TO IT OR IF WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A GOOD ENOUGH BETTER SITUATION HERE THAN WE THAN WE WERE JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? DO YOU WANT TO PUT THAT CONDITIONER OR NOT WHERE I WAS DEBATING BACK FROM THIS FROM STAFFS PERSPECTIVE? WE HAVEN'T HEARD. I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD REALLY CALL RIGHT. BUT IF THEY GOT LOST, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY FEEDBACK FROM BUSINESSES OUT THERE WHEN WE DO LIKE OUR BUSINESS RETENTION VISITS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR. UM AND IF, IF NEEDED TO ADD, MAYBE SOME MORE GENERAL DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE OUT THERE. UM BUT I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING FOR AN IMPROVEMENT AS MORE BUSINESSES GET ADDED OUT THERE.
UM AND AGAIN, I THINK THE DISTANCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE LAST ONE IS YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS ON THIS SITE TO SORT OF CORRECT IF YOU IF YOU DO THE WRONG BEARINGS. BUT WE THINK THAT DISPERSEMENT OF TRAFFIC SO TO SPEAK AS A AS A BENEFIT TO THE SITE. THIS MADE THIS ONE'S ME SEEMS EASIER TO GET RIGHT. THE OTHER ONE IS LIKE YOU REALLY DO NEED TO KNOW WHICH WAY TO FIND IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OBVIOUS. WE JUST LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, WHERE'S THE OTHER ONE? RIGHT. ANYBODY HAS BEEN AT EASTERN ON THE GET THE DIRECTION SCREWED UP. I BELIEVE ON THE EAST PART OF EASTERN AND IT SAYS 2 TO 70, WHICHEVER DIRECTION GO THIS WAY. OH, I WAS GOING TO GO THE OTHER WAY. I WAS GOING TO WIND UP. THE INTERSECTION WHERE I CAN'T MAKE THE TURNING MOVEMENT I WANT AND SO THEY'VE GOT THE SCIENTISTS SAY TO THIS TO THAT. THERE IS
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NOT OBVIOUS AND I THINK HERE, IT SHOULD BE REASONABLY OBVIOUS. CERTAINLY IF YOU CAME IN ON THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT, YOU HAD A BIG CLUE THAT GETTING BACK OUT SOUTH. AND THIS ONE HAS LOTS OF ROADS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM OTHER SPOTS. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD REVISIT ON THE ROAD OR THE CITY COULD REVISIT DOWN THE ROAD, OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, CORRECT, STEVE, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION OF THAT CORRECT, MAN. ANY COMMENTARY ON THE CONDITIONAL USE OF PARTICULAR. BUT ONE I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE CONDITION IN THAT IF REQUEST THE APPLICANT DOWN THE ROAD REQUESTED BY THE CITY WOULD WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY ABOUT INTERNAL DIRECTIONAL . SO WOULD YOU AGREE TO THAT RATHER THAN MAYBE INSISTING THAT IT GOING NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT I HEAR STAFF, SAYING, I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. BUT IF WE GET IT IN THE WE GET IT IN THE APPROVAL, THEN WE KNOW THAT DOWN THE ROAD. IF WE HAVE TO COME TO YOU, IF YOU GUYS YOU GUYS WILL BE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH US, AS OPPOSED TO RELYING ON YOUR GOODWILL WHICH I'M SURE YOU HAVE. BUT NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THE DAIRY QUEEN SITUATION WE JUST DISCUSSED AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE RECOGNIZE TRAFFIC FLOW IS NOT OPTIMAL FOR THAT AREA, AND WE TOOK SOME MEASURES TO HELP THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR YEAH, THE GREEN TONIGHT.THIS IS A WHAT WE LIKE TO DO. WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVING TO A TRAFFIC AROUND THE SITE LIKE THIS WITH SOME OF THE SITES THAT WE CHOOSE AROUND THE UM, SO OPERATIONALLY THIS WORKS FOR US FOR OUR CUSTOMERS FOR DELIVERIES. ETCETERA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. TO ACCEPT THE. THEIR REPORTS RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 1 16 2022 YEARS 2ND 2ND. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR DOCUMENTS. OH, PLEASE, MR FURBY. MR WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR SHELL. DOCUMENTS PASSES 40. DON'T HEAR EMOTION ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF. I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL. CONDITION WHICH WAS IF NEEDED WAY, FINDING SIGNAGE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE FINAL DEVELOPED PLAN AFTER PLAN APPLICATION AT DP DASH 116-20. TO 2 SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LIFTED LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. DO YOU WANT ME TO NAME THEM ALL OUT MEAL, SIX CONDITIONS WOULD BE ENOUGH. YEAH AND THEN, INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL ONE. UH, THAT WOULD FOCUS ON OUR WAY FINDING SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY IF FOUND NECESSARY. FOR A SECOND.
THE SECOND. AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. I ACTUALLY DID. WE WANT SOME STAFF APPROVAL ON THREE B AND THREE C. SARAH, IS THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. YES, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
THANK YOU. YES, OKAY. OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. I CAN HEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE. MRS BRINKS? YES MR SHOW? YES MR WALLACE. YES, MR KIRBY? YES. TAKES US TO THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT GOES WITH THAT. I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS AND REALLY , THE STAFF REPORTS RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE 1 18. FOR YOUR SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS. SECONDS MOTION. YOU KNOW, LITTLE, PLEASE , MR. KIRBY MISS BRIGGS. YES MR SCHELL? YES, MR WALLACE? YES.
DOCUMENTS PAST 40. DO I HEAR EMOTIONAL, THE CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF. I MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATIONS. SEE YOU DASH 118-20 TO 2 TO ALLOW A CAR SERVICE USE AT THIS PARCEL. HERE A SECOND. SECOND. THE DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. HERE. THE RULE, PLEASE. MISS BRIGGS. YES MR SCHELL, MR WALLACE. YES MR KIRBY. YES GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FROM KENTUCKY. NO I'M JUST I'M LOCATED, UM, WORK OUT OF MY HOME IN THE DAYTON, OHIO AREA. SO IT'S NICE TO DRIVE HERE BECAUSE I ALSO DRIVE TO MICHIGAN AND INDIANA. SO THIS WAS A SHORT TRIP. GOOD LUCK. GOOD LUCK WITH
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MEMBERS. SORRY CHRIS HUSBAND WANT TO MENTION THAT WE WILL HAVE A MEETING ON NOVEMBER 7TH, WHICH IS IN THREE WEEKS. I THINK WE'LL SEND OUT AN AGENDA NEXT MONDAY INTERESTED. SO THEN THERE'S NOT A MEETING ON THE 31ST. CORRECT YEAH. THAT'S JUST THE FIRST MONDAY AND THE THIRD MONTH AND MONTH. 35 YEARS. I HAD THAT 31ST TIME MY CALENDAR FOR SOME REASON ON EARTH. 31ST OF NOVEMBER. HMM. 20 RIGHT. UM FULL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. LET THEM HEAR. THANKS EVERYONE. GOOD JOB WITH THAT WE'RE ADJOURNING.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.