Mar 20, 2023 Planning Commission

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BRING THE MONDAY, MARCH 20 2023 NEW WARNING. NEW ALBANY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. I WANT TO CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. PLEASE KEEP YOUR MICROPHONES ON AND SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO YOUR MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. MR KIRBY. MR WALLACE PRESENT, MISS BRIGGS HERE, MR LARSON. MR SCHELL PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK. COUNCIL MEMBER SHOP HERE. WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. UM WE'RE EXPECTING BRUCE, BUT WE'RE NOT EXPECTING NEIL SO PROCEED AND HOPEFULLY BRUCE WILL COME RIGHT. THE FIRST ACTION ON THE

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OUT OF THE TUMOR FROM PARK. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. SO THIS IS HOW ON THE SCREEN HERE THIS IS HOW THE VARIOUS QUESTIONS PRESENTED IN THE SUBMITTAL MATERIALS TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THIS AND BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR STAFF REPORT THE VARIOUS REQUESTS TO ALLOW A NEW RESTAURANT FACILITY EXISTING BARN AND CHICKEN HOUSE TO BE PLACED AT AN ELEVATION THAT IS NOT TWO FT. ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AND WILL NOT INCLUDE DRY PROOFING MEASURES AS REQUIRED BY OUR CITY PLAYING CODE. SO THERE WAS IN THEIR STAFFORD PARTLY OFFICE AS WE ALWAYS DO. WE HAVE A VERY LIKELY JUSTIFICATION BASED ON OUR DUNCAN FACTORS AND OTHER FLOODPLAIN. VARIOUS CRITERIA FOUND IN OUR CITY CODE, ADRIAN AND MILES ARE HERE TO KIND OF TIE. UM YOU KNOW THOSE ITEMS UP IN RELATION TO THE BROADER SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND PASS IT OFF TO ADRIAN NOW.

MHM WELL, THANK YOU. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. UM I PRESENTED THIS PROJECT A DIFFERENT ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT TO THE RB LAST MONDAY NIGHT, AND IT WAS SNOWING OUTSIDE, SO I ASKED THEM TO NOT LOOK OUTSIDE. UM BUT THINK ABOUT A NICE WARM, SUNNY DAY. SO WE HAVE THE SUN. WE PROBABLY NEED 20 MORE DEGREES, BUT, UH, THIS IS ALL IN DEVELOPMENT OR THIS VARIANCE APPLICATION WILL ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AND TAYLOR FARM PARK. OUT OF DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD ON THE WESTERN GATEWAY INTO NEW ALBANY. THIS IS PROBABLY AT LEAST IN MY YOU KNOW. DECADE OF

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AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT WITH THE VARIANCE REQUEST. MHM THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WETLAND MITIGATION CELLS HAVE ENTERED INTO AN ENVIRONMENTAL COVENANT WITH THE OHIO EPA AND AS A SUCCESSOR IN OWNERSHIP. WE ARE ALSO BOUND BY THAT COVENANT, SO 68 A HALF PERCENT 680.5% OF THAT SITE IS SUBJECT TO THE

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AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S 37% OF THE SITE. AND THEN FINALLY, I THINK THIS IS FINALLY WE ALSO HAVE AN AP UTILITY AND MAINTENANCE EASEMENT. SO YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. THERE ARE TWO SETS OF TRANSMISSION TOWERS AND LINES THAT RUN DOWN THE WESTERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY. UM WE ACTUALLY FOUND THE ORIGINAL EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE TAYLOR FAMILY THAT I THINK WAS FROM THE 19 TWENTIES. UM, IT DOES NOT. RESTRICT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS SITE. OUR CITY ATTORNEY REVIEWED IT. UM BUT IT DOES ALLOW AP ACCESS AND THEN THEY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME IN AND CLEAR THAT OUT FROM VEGETATION. OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T WANT REALLY HIGH TREES CLOSE TO THE TRANSMISSION LINE. SO NEXT TIME YOU DRIVE BY THERE, IF YOU KIND OF LOOK DOWN THE POWER CORRIDOR, YOU'LL SEE OH YEAH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EXISTING VEGETATION THERE, AND THAT'S WHY BECAUSE THIS IS MITT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SO LONG. SO WHEN YOU PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER CEREAL PERSON ON THIS SITE THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME ENCUMBRANCE, SOME USE, RESTRICTION OR MATERIAL RESTRICTION OR SOME PROCESS. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET APPROVAL TO DO ANYTHING HERE AND CERTAINLY AT LEAST IN MY TIME AND IN DOING PROJECTS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. I'VE NEVER, UM EXPERIENCED THIS LEVEL. OF ENCUMBRANCES AND THIS THIS AMOUNT OF RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON A PROPERTY PROPERTY. THEY'RE ALL. REALLY, UM. WELL INTENTIONED, AND I THINK ALL THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE THESE LIKE OHIO EPA. WE'VE BROUGHT THEM OUT. THEY LOOKED AT THE SITE. THEY REALLY WANT IS WETLAND MITIGATION SITES TO ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC BENEFIT. FOR A PARK. BUT THERE IS A PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT UM, DOCUMENTS OR AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE. AH, SO AS WE GO INTO, MAYBE MORE OF THE DETAILS OF TONIGHT'S REQUEST. IF YOU'RE OUT THERE NOW , AND WHEN YOU GUYS WERE OUT THERE IN JANUARY, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE. SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE HOMESTEAD HISTORIC HOME HERE. WE HAVE THE GARAGE, THE CHICKEN COOP THE BARN IN THE BACK. UM AND THEN PART OF OUR PHASE ONE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDES US PARKING LOT. AND THEN THESE TWO NEW ENTRIES, SO AN ENTRY AND AN EXIT DRIVEWAY TO START THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OR WHAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW, AS PART OF PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO. IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE ADDITIONAL, UM. PAVED PASSED TO GET YOU UP INTO THE PAGE, THE PATH NETWORK TO THE NORTH AND THEN ALSO DOWN TO THE CREEK. WE KNOW FROM ROSE RUN, PHASE ONE. THAT'S A TREMENDOUS ATTRIBUTE TO THAT PROJECT AND PEOPLE KIDS ARE DOWN IN THAT CREEK ALL THE TIME. SO IN A REPLICATE THAT SAME EXPERIENCE AND HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS TO THIS PART UM, WE HAVE THE HISTORIC HOUSE. UH, WE HAVE AH! COMMUNITY GARDEN, SO RELOCATING COMMUNITY GARDENS FROM BEHIND. VILLAGE HALL. THIS BUILDING OUT TO WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY A FARM THAT WOULD HAVE HAD GARDENS. SO THERE'S REALLY GOOD NEXUS THERE.

UM, WE HAVE A NEW TURNAROUND DRIVEWAY HERE. UH, THIS IS THE BARN. THE CHICKEN COOP, AND THE NUMBER FOUR IS A NEW RESTROOM STRUCTURE. SO WE KNOW RESTROOMS ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT TO HAVE IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT HERE. SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME WHETHER IT'S WALKING THE TRAILS OR GOING TO THE PLAY AREA OR IF YOU'RE OUT THERE TENDING TO YOUR GARDEN, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO HELP. WE NEED SOME RESTROOM FACILITIES. BUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING TO BUILD PARDON ME. THIS NEW BUILDING. WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN CONTEXT OF, UM, THE EXISTING CHICKEN COOP IN THE BARN AS WELL. SO EVERYTHING THAT MILES

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GIVEN ALL THE ENCUMBRANCES THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT HARD TO IMAGINE A BETTER USE THAN PUBLIC PARK OPEN SPACE. THE COMMUNITY CAN JOY OBSERVE NATURAL AND CONSTRUCTED ECOSYSTEM STREAMS AND WHAT LANDS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A FLOODPLAIN THAT BASICALLY COVERS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS A CHALLENGE. IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING FOR PART, BUT WE THINK WE'VE NAVIGATED THAT SUCCESSFULLY. THE OTHER POINT I HEARD IS THAT THIS IS VERY TECHNICAL APPLICATION AND MAYBE IT'S OUR OWN JOB TODAY TO UNRAVEL THAT FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL. PLEASE ASK AND ASK AGAIN UNTIL YOU'RE COMPLETELY SATISFIED. SO WE'LL START DOWN THE PATH OF WHAT WE CALL AN AUDIT OF THIS PROJECT AGAINST THE CITY'S CODE. WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IF ANY VARIANCES, WE NEED IT. BEFORE WE OBVIOUSLY GOT TO THE STAGE IN THE PROCESS. THIS IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS AUDIT. PACKAGE THAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION GOES INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT MORE DETAILS. WE NEED TO UM, THE FIRST QUESTION WE ASKED OURSELVES. IS THIS A PERMISSIBLE USE? THERE ARE EXPLICIT PROHIBITED USES. AND THE CITY'S ORDINANCE FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FLOOD POINT. GIVEN THAT THIS IS A PARK USE WE DID NOT FIND THAT PROHIBITION IN THE CITY'S CODE. SO WE IMMEDIATELY DETERMINED THAT THE PARK ITSELF. REGARDLESS OF THE AMENITIES WITHIN IT WAS A PERMISSIBLE USE IN 100 YEAR FLOOD POINT. THE OTHER KEY FACTOR THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THE FACT THAT THE PARK DEVELOPMENT DOES REQUIRE FILLING AND GRADING. THAT'S AN EXTENSIVE PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TODAY. ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE CITY'S CODE THAT WE HAD TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH IS PROVIDING COMPENSATORY STORAGE. SO IN A NUTSHELL. IF YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY STILL ON THE FLOODPLAIN, AS THIS PROJECT PROPOSES TO DO. YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE 105% BY VOLUME.

EXCAVATION REFERRED TO AS COMPENSATORY STORAGE WITHIN THAT SAME FLOOD POINT. AND OR FLOODWAY. THIS PROJECT DOES THAT . SO WE DETERMINED THAT WE ARE MEETING THE FILLING AND GRADING REQUIREMENTS. OF THE CITY'S FLOOD CODE. NO RISE REQUIREMENT. UM IF YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING WITHIN THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY, WHETHER IT'S FILLING OR EXCAVATION YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU ARE NOT INCREASING 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATIONS. THERE WAS A VERY DETAILED EXCUSE ME. FLOOD HAZARD IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE. THAT STUDY PROVIDED TO THE CITY AS PART OF THE VARIANCE APPLICATION. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT HERE TODAY BECAUSE IT IS GETTING INTO SOME OF THE MORE TECHNICAL ELEMENTS. BUT WE WILL COVER THAT BRIEFLY FOR YOU AS WELL. CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A SECOND, SO HMM. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND MAYBE IF YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS HAVE FIRST IT MIGHT HELP. TO UNDERSTAND AS YOU WALK THROUGH ABSOLUTELY. CODE, SO. SO MY FIRST QUESTION WHEN I READ THE REPORT IS SO WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF THE CODE REQUIREMENT? THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET A VARIANCE FROM IT'S FLOOD PROTECTION OF THE BUILDINGS. IT'S YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO PROTECT CONSTRUCTED ASSET FROM DAMAGES THAT WOULD REQUIRE REPAIRS. IN THE FUTURE, SO. AND, IN FACT TO ELABORATE ON THAT THE CITY HAS A HIGHER STANDARD. THAT ONE THAT THEN IS REQUIRED BY THE NATIONAL FLOOD

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THERE ISN'T GONNA BE DRY PROOFING MHM MHM. AND THEN THERE'S REFERENCE TO IT TO THE 100 YEAR, AND I THINK YOU REFERRED TO THAT A MOMENT AGO. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S HOW DOES ALL THAT STUFF WORK? AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE ASPECTS OF HOW THE CODE WORKS. OKAY SO THE 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION IS THE ESSENTIAL REGULATORY STANDARD THAT MOST COMMUNITIES FALL AND THEY'RE TRYING TO ENFORCE THEIR FLOOD PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS. IT'S A NATIONAL STANDARD. SO THAT'S AN ELEVATION AND WE'LL HAVE SOME GRAPHICS UP TO. THAT KIND OF SHOW WITH THAT ELEVATION IS BASED ON THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT REPEATING MYSELF TOO MUCH, BUT ALSO WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THIS TWO FT IS FREE BOARD. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF PROTECTION. THAT THE CITY IS OPPOSED ON THEMSELVES AS PART OF THEIR FLOOD CODE TO SAY, WELL, 100 YEARS GOOD. THREE YEARS, TWO FT ABOVE HIS BETTER. SO IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND IF THE BUILDING IS NOT DRY, FLOOD PROOFED. THEN IT HAS TO BE RAISED UP. IS THAT THAT? THAT'S THERE'S ONE. THERE'S TWO REQUIRES ONE OF TWO REQUIREMENTS IN YOUR CITY COACH. RAISE IT ON PHIL. THE TWO FT ABOVE THE 100 YEAR. OR YOU DRIVE FLOOD PROOF IT UP TO THAT LEVEL. THEN THERE WAS ALSO, UM A REFERENCE LATER ON THIS WAS IN SUBSECTIONS SEVEN, WAS TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL PHIL BEING REQUIRED FOR THE COMPENSATORY STORAGE. CAN YOU SORT OF HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS? I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DIG DIRT FROM ONE PART OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD SAY THE IDEA THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD SAY EXCAVATION. INSTEAD OF PHIL, AND THAT'S AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THAT JUST TO RAISE THE GROUND UP ABOVE SO THAT IT WOULD BE ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN OR WELL, I'M READING THE SECTION THAT YOU ARE AS WELL. AND IF I MAY JUST REPEAT IT. NO AND THE WAY YOU'RE TRYING TO, JUST AS I READ THROUGH THE REPORTED ALL THESE LITTLE TERMS WEREN'T CLEAR TO ME AND, OF COURSE. PATRIOT SAID EARLIER. IT'S PRETTY CONFIDENCE IS ONE OF THE SHE IS RIGHT. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX. UM VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT I'M NOT SURE THIS IS AN HONOR OR NOT, BUT AND THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE CODE I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE, AND I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, SO JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BACKGROUND AND THEN MAYBE AS YOU WALK US THROUGH EVERYTHING LATER ON, IF WE HAVE SOME DEFINITIONS IN MIND, WE HAVE SORT OF A GENERAL SENSE. HOW THIS IS ALL WORKING. IT MIGHT MAKE ME AT LEAST FOR ME, IT MIGHT MAKE ME IT'S GOING TO MAKE MORE SENSE. SO I'M GOING TO READ SECTION

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IF THE VARIANCE IS NOT GRANTED, AND THE BUILDINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE RAISED TO THE FLOOD PROTECTION ALLEGATION CURVES RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE THEM BELOW RIGHT.

ADDITIONAL EXCAVATION. MUST BE. MUST OCCUR WITHIN THE FLOODWAY TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL COMPENSATORY STORAGE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CLARIFIES YOUR QUESTION. THAT DOESN'T CLARIFY IT YET. SO OKAY. GIVE ME A COUPLE MORE SENTENCES AFTER THAT SORT OF EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS.

WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A GRAPHIC. OKAY IS THAT OKAY? YES IT IS. GRAPHICS ARE GREAT.

PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR SLIDES AWAY FROM IT. OKAY BUT ONCE WE GET THERE, I PROMISE I'LL KIND OF SLOW BACK DOWN. AND POINT THAT OUT TO YOU, OKAY, BECAUSE I GET IT. OKAY, BECAUSE THE NEXT SENTENCE TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL AREA COULD BE PROVIDED. HOWEVER, IT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE OF THE CREEK CORRIDOR. SO I PUT A QUESTION MARK NEXT TO THAT ONE, BECAUSE THAT ONE DIDN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE. SO I HOPE THE SLIDES WILL START TO ELIMINATE, BUT YOU'LL STOP IT. OKAY? THAT'S ALL THOSE SORT OF THE INITIAL QUESTIONS I HAD. SO LET ME LET ME JUST BACK OUT OF THIS AND THEN OKAY, CONTINUE YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU. UM SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE KNOW REGINE FARMER. WE'RE STILL KIND OF AUDITING OUR PROJECT AGAINST THE FLOOD CARD TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IF ANY VARIANCES WE NEEDED AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, SO I'LL HIT ON THE TUBE FOLLOWING BULLETS HERE. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE CITY'S FLOOD CODE RELATED TO OTHER PERMITS WHAT OTHER AGENCIES MIGHT REQUIRE PERMITS. AND IF SO , ARE YOU GETTING THOSE PERMITS ON DOCUMENTING THEM? AS PART OF THE OVERALL APPLICATION. THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS PROJECT DOES NOT FALL UNDER ANY OTHER PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS. REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS WERE NOT HAVING A DIRECT IMPACT TO THE STREAM OF ROCKY FORK. WE'RE NOT FILLING DISTURBING WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE COUNTER THE WHOLE INTENT OF THE PROJECT, SO WE'RE OKAY THERE AS FAR AS THE CITY'S CODE IS CONCERNED. THERE'S ALSO A SECTION IN THE FLOOD CODE AND IN RELATED SECTIONS OF THE CITIES TALK ABOUT PROTECTING THE RIGHT PERIOD CORRIDOR, THE STREAM COURT PROTECTION ZONE. SO WE LOOKED AT THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CODE. AND FOUND THAT THERE WAS NO PROHIBITIONS ON THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITHIN PROXIMITY TO ROCKY FORK. LET'S PUT IT COULD WE ALSO LOOK AT THE CODE HAS REFERRED TO AS THE FLOOD CODE, WOULD IT? IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING IS THAT HELPFUL TO LOOK AT IT AS A BUILDING PROTECTION CODE? IN A SENSE IT IS IN MOST COMMUNITIES PUT CAN'T PUT THEIR FLOOD CODE WITHIN THEIR BUILDING CODE FOR THAT VERY REASON. UM BUT IT'S ALSO PROTECTING NATURAL FEATURES. UM, IT'S PROTECTING NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMUNITY IS ALL AGAINST ADVERSE ACTIONS THAT WOULD IMPACT THEM. BUT FOR PURPOSES WHAT WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING PROTECTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. SORRY.

DON'T SKIP. I'LL KEEP GOING HERE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GET THE SOME OF THE BIGGER QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED ALREADY. UM, PERMISSIBLE USE OF THE WORLD JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO POINT OUT. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN AS WE SUMMARIZE WHERE WE STAND TODAY. BUT NOW YOU CAN SEE MORE SPECIFICALLY THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED AND EXISTING BUILDINGS WHERE THE RESPECT TO THE 100 YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN AND FLOODWAY.

AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S CODE THAT WE DEFINITELY INTEND TO MEET. IS THAT THE EXTENT OF THE FILL THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE ELEVATE THE STRUCTURES WE ARE ELEVATING THEM A BIT. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A 20 FT MINIMUM ZONE. AROUND THOSE PROPOSED AND EXISTING BUILDINGS. IT'S AT ABOUT 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION. SO AGAIN, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN. WE SHOULD TO PROTECT EXISTING AND NEW INFRASTRUCTURE OUT HERE. STARTING TO GET INTO THE MEAT, THE BONES IF YOU WILL OF THE DISCUSSION OF FILLING AND GRADING THERE IS SOME VERY SUBTLE LINE WORK ON HERE. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE SHOWING FILLING AND GRADING. SO I'M GONNA TRANSITION QUICKLY, TOO. UM. THIS SECTION VIEWS TO TRY AND KEEP THIS IN YOUR MIND THE SECTIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE REPRESENT A CROSS SECTION CUT, STARTING WITH THE CHANNEL OF ROCKY FORK CREEK. ACROSS THIS BROAD FLOODPLAIN AND THEN INTERSECTING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE THAT PHIL. AND THE EXCAVATION, COMPENSATORY STORAGE. THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH. AND HERE THEY ARE. SO AND YOU WALK THROUGH THIS AGAIN. SLOW ME DOWN AS YOU NEED TO THIS IS THAT THIS IS EXISTING CONDITIONS GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN EXISTING AND PROPOSED. STARTING HERE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED TO OCCUR. THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. PRESENTLY THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CHICKEN COOP, THE BARN. UM RESIDE AT THE FRINGES OF THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT

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DOUBLE GRANVILLE IN THE BACKGROUND, SO AS YOU APPROACH DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD IF YOU WERE KIND OF VISIONING OFF IN THE DISTANCE HERE, THAT'S WHERE THAT COMPENSATORY VOLUME STORAGE AREA IS GOING TO BE CUT OUT NEXT TO IRAQI FORT CREEK. BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO VEGETATION UNDERNEATH THE LINE THAT'S OUT THERE. WE'RE NOT DISTURBING A LOT OF BIG VEGETATION, NOT CUTTING DOWN A BUNCH OF BIG TREES JUST SO WE CAN PUT IN COMPENSATORY STORAGE.

WE'RE JUST ADDING FLOODPLAIN IN AN AREA THAT WANTS TO BE FLOOD POINT. SO THIS IS THE

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I'LL START WITH THE FACT THAT IT DEFINITELY POINTS OUT WITH MORE CLARITY. WHERE THE PHIL IS PROPOSED ON THE SITE RELATIVE TO THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND WHERE THE EXCAVATION COMPENSATORY STORAGE WILL OCCUR. SO BY AREA, I'D SAY WE'RE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE EQUAL. PHIL AND EXCAVATION CUT.

BY VOLUME. WE ARE AGAIN 105. OF THE FILM THAT'S GOING TO BE PLACED ON THE SITE. MEETING THE CARD REQUIREMENT FOR COMPENSATORY STORAGE. MOST IN FACT, ALMOST ALMOST ALL THE FELLAS HAPPENING OUTSIDE THE FLOODWAY LINE THAT'S IMPORTANT. THE MAJORITY OF THE CUT BY VOLUME IS WITHIN THE FLOODWAY AREA. THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO ROCKY FOUR CREEK. THAT'S WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN WANTS TO BE. WE'RE PUTTING MORE FLOODPLAIN THERE. IT ALSO HELPS US ACHIEVE THAT NO RISING APARTMENT. I ALLUDED TO THAT EARLIER. THAT'S A TECHNICAL THING. A MODEL. SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT WHERE WE'VE SUPERIMPOSED. CROSS SECTIONS THAT ARE PART OF A FLOODPLAIN MODEL WHERE WE ANALYZE ROCKY FORK CREEK UNDER EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS. UM. AND THESE ARE THE RESULTS. THESE ARE EXISTING FLOOD ELEVATIONS. PROPOSED FLOOD ELEVATIONS. IT MAY SEEM COINCIDENTAL THAT THEY'RE EXACTLY EQUAL. UM THERE'S A VERY BROAD FLOOD POINT. AND WE'RE NOT DOING MUCH IN IT. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PUTTING BACK MORE FLOODPLAIN THAT WE'RE TAKING. SO THE RESULT IS THAT WE ARE NOT INCREASING FLOOD ELEVATIONS AND WE'RE MEETING THE CITY'S CODE ACCORDINGLY. SHE SHOULD USE REAL QUICK, SO IT SAYS CUT, CAN YOU CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND? WHAT IS THE WHY? WHY IS IT CALLED CUT? UM IT'S A VERY, UH COLLOQUIAL TERM EXCAVATION DIGGING. DIGGING SO UM, WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE BUILDING THIS THING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, YOU KNOW WHATEVER EQUIPMENT THEY PROPOSED TO USE. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE EXCAVATING MATERIAL AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOVING IT OUT OF THAT IS TOO SIMPLE TO THINK ABOUT THE CUT PART IS WORTH THE DIRT FROM THE CUT PARTS GOING TO BE DUMPED ONTO THE FILL PARK THAT WOULD BE EVERYONE'S HOPE. OUT HERE THAT WE CAN REUSE THAT CUT MATERIAL FULFILL. ADRIAN ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT SOIL BUT IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH AND IT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT SORT. OKAY, ALRIGHT. BUT THERE'S PLENTY NEARBY. I GOT IT, OKAY. SO UM, IT SHOULD WORK OUT. I THINK IT'S A BALANCED SITE, AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE LOVES TO HAVE. IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE YOU'RE BEING EFFICIENT IN YOUR DESIGNING CONSTRUCTION. SARAH, YOU GET A SENSE NOW OF ACTUAL ELEVATIONS. WE'RE SETTING 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDINGS AT 9 57. THAT'S OUR STANDARD. WE'RE SAYING THAT'S 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION. TWO YEARS TWO FT. ABOVE THAT WOULD BE 9 59. SO THOSE ARE ELEVATIONS TO HAVE IN YOUR HEAD. AS WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE BUILDINGS. I'M GONE.

BRIEFLY AGAIN THE STREAM COURT PROTECTION ZONE. I KNOW I DISCUSSED THIS, BUT WE ARE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF CUT. AS PART EXCAVATION AS PART OF THE CONTENT STORAGE STORAGE. NO PROHIBITION OF THE CITY'S CODE FOR THAT. UM I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OR ALL OF THAT AREA WILL BE RE VEGETATED. THERE IS A LIMITATION ON DOING THAT UNDERNEATH THOSE E P LINES. SO NOT ALL OF IT WOULD BE RE VEGETATED, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE PARK. AND YOU CAN SEE TRAILS THAT INTERACT WITH THAT AREA NEAR THE NEAR ROCKY FORK. SO OBVIOUSLY WE, THE CITY WANTS THOSE TWO BE IN CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE PARK. ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PARENTS ITSELF. THE REQUEST RELATED TO THE PROPOSED AND EXISTING BUILDINGS.

SO YOU SEE TWO BULLETS THERE. THEY REALLY ONE AND THE SAME. WE'VE GOT A NEW RESTAURANT.

THAT'S THE NEW BUILDING, AND WE HAVE TO EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UM, IMPROVED, THEY HAVE TO BE ELEVATED TO SOME AMOUNT. AND JUST TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE USE OF THE PARK. THEY WILL BE IMPROVED. UM, THE CITY'S CODE. REGULATES BOTH EXISTING AND SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED BUILDINGS. SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED BUILDING IS ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COST OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IS 50% OR MORE OF THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE BUILDING. YOU SAY IT AGAIN SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT. THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IS 50% OR MORE OF THE CURRENT VALUE. OF THE BUILDING. REMEMBER, WE'RE DEALING WITH AN

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PART OF THE CITY'S COACH. SO WHY ISN'T THIS A DRIVE THROUGH STRUCTURE? THE THING THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE DOORS. INTO THE FACILITY. THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR MAN ENTRY. FLOOD PROTECTION SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FLOOD PROOF DOOR. AND THOSE ARE NORMALLY SOMETHING THAT GETS MANUALLY INSTALLED. IN ADVANCE OF THE FLOOD. THEN MANUALLY REMOVED. AFTER THE FLOOD TO RESTORE THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE TO BE STORED. THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED. THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED. CONTINUALLY. TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OPERABLE. SO WE DO NOT HAVE. DRY FLOOD PROOFED DOOR INTO THE BUILDING.

TECHNICALLY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING. MEET THAT REQUIREMENT JUST KNOCKED THE DOOR. SO FLOOD WATER CAN GET INTO THE BUILDING. AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED. IS TO ADD FLOOD VENTS. INTO THE BUILDING. SOUNDS COUNTERINTUITIVE. WHY ARE WE LETTING THE WATER IN TO THE BUILDING? WHAT THAT DOES. IS IT EQUALIZES HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE SOME ADVERSE PRESSURE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. TRYING TO PUSH IN AND CAUSE DAMAGE. YOU'RE LETTING THE WATER IN. YOU'VE GOT THE SAME WATER PRESSURE ON BOTH SIDES OF YOUR WALL. AND NOW YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THE WATER COMING IN. AND RECEDING AS LONG AS EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING CAN WITHSTAND. THAT TEMPORARY FLOOD CONDITIONS. AND THAT IS THE PROPOSAL. TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING INSIDE THE BUILDING WOULD BE PROTECTED FROM THAT HEART FLOOD OVER. SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MOUTHFUL, BUT IT DOES EXPLAIN A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S INTENT IS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING FLOOD PROTECTION FOR THIS BUILDING THAT IS VERY, VERY CLOSE. THE CITY'S PUBLISHED STANDARD, BUT NOT QUITE THERE.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS ALMOST A CARBON COPY OF THE FIRST AND PUT IN THE TYPE OF BUT IT'S FOR THE CHICKEN COOPS BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. SO WHAT'S MISSING IS THE WATERPROOF DOOR. ESSENTIALLY, YES. OKAY? THAT WAS CORRECT. UM SO IF YOU HAD A WATERPROOF DOOR WOULD YOU NEED TO PUT THE VENTS IN? NO. GOT IT, OKAY. DISCARD SHADOW IS ANOTHER TERM FOR THE CHICKEN CUBE. UM, THAT'S BEING REFURBISHED. THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT, SO IT'S GOING TO LOOK VERY SIMILAR.

ARCHITECTURALLY IT'S GOING TO BE ELEVATED TO THE SAME ELEVATION IS GOING TO USE THE SAME MATERIAL IS GOING TO HAVE A FLOOD VENTS CARBON COPY. SO YOU SAID THAT THE CHICKEN COOP IS GOING TO BE REFURBISHED. SO. THERE'S ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING CHICKEN COOP. THAT ARE GOING TO REMAIN. IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM AND BE INCORPORATED INTO YES, WE SEE HERE. YES. ARE THERE DOORS ON THE GARDEN SHOP? YES. OKAY. AND AGAIN, WE WILL NOT HAVE THE WATERTIGHT DOORS. ON THIS STRUCTURE, JUST AS WE WOULD NOT ON THE PROPOSED NEW RESTAURANT FACILITY. AND THAT WILL INCLUDE THE BAND SALSA. YES. YEAH. ARE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP RAISED ESSENTIALLY TWO FT.

SO THAT PUTS STRUCTURE AND THE FARM AS WELL. AND THEN WE TALKED TO A BARN COMPANY THAT KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE PARAMETERS AROUND DOING THAT. UM HAVE TO BE RAISED UP TO BEAT TO MEET THIS FINISHED FOR ELEVATION NUMBER PROPOSING. SO WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO BALANCE. RAISING IT ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENT IN THE NEW BUILDINGS AND THE REFURBISHED OLDER, YOU KNOW.

HISTORIC BUILDINGS. UM BUT NOT MEET THAT EXTRA TWO FT FREE BOARD BECAUSE YOU SAW HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO AGREE JUST TO GET IT TO BEAT UP. IF WE HAD TO DO ANOTHER TWO FT. YOU IMAGINE THE EXTENT OF THE GREETING OPERATION WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SO WE'RE TRYING TO AS MIKE SAID, THREAD THAT NEEDLE TO PROTECT OUR INVESTMENT, BUT NOT I DO TOO MUCH THAT WE REALLY ARE DISTURBING A LARGE PORTION OF THE SITE KIND OF THE AESTHETIC ATTRIBUTES OF IT AND WHAT WE

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YES. SO. I'VE MET ON SITE WITH THE BORN RESTORATION EXPERT A FEW TIMES NOW. AND, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED THROUGH AN INITIAL PHASE, WHICH IS WHICH IS CALLED CRIBBING, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST KIND OF SOLIDIFYING AND ENSURING UP AREAS WHERE THE EXISTING FOUNDATION IS NOT STABLE. IT'S NOT ADEQUATELY SUPPORTING THE BUILDING AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT WE WOULD LIKELY LEADING IN THIS DIRECTION WHERE THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO GO UP. UH IT WASN'T ANYTHING OF CONCERN. IN FACT, WHILE HE HAD HIS CONSULTANT THAT DOES MOST OF THE WORK WITH HIM. IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY MUCH AN ACHIEVABLE. TASK SO OKAY, I SUPPOSE I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE EXPERTS, BUT IT WASN'T ANYTHING THAT SEEMED TO BE OF CONCERN TO THEM. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO THE WHAT'S LABELED GARDEN SHED, BUT DOWN BELOW, IT SAYS IMPROVED CHICKEN HOUSE, SO THE SHED IS GOING TO BE THE CHICKEN HOUSE IS GOING TO BECOME THE SHED. IS THAT THE IDEA? THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE I THAT'S THAT'S STOP. IS THAT KIND OF TAKE AWAY FROM THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CHICKEN? HOUSE BECAUSE I REMEMBER YOU SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING KIND OF UNIQUE ABOUT, UM, THE STYLE WAS A COMMON STYLE FOR CHICKEN COOPS IN THE MIDWEST IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. BY KEEPING, I THINK KEEPING THAT FORM AND KEEPING YOU KNOW THE CLEAR STORY. WINDOWS ON THE TOP WILL STILL PRESERVE SOME OF THAT HISTORICAL CHARACTER. OKAY? THANK YOU, ADRIAN. I'M IDEAL WITH FEMA FLOOD ALL DAY LONG AND INSURANCE WORLD SO COMFORTABLE WITH ALL OF THAT AND EVERYTHING, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. MY QUESTION IS THE MAIN HOUSE WE HAVE NOT DETERMINED. WHAT THE USES THAT ARE WE POTENTIALLY GOING TO GET INTO SOME OF THIS. IF WE START TO DO UPGRADES TO THE MADE, I THINK WE WILL. I MEAN, I GUESS WE HAVEN'T DONE A FULL AUDIT OF THAT YET. SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND. I THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT WE WILL RUN INTO SOME, YOU KNOW, REGULATORY CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER PLAYING AROUND OR COME BACK AND SPEAK OF. YOU KNOW SOME RELIEF. UM YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THE HOUSE BUILT IN THE 18 FORTIES CAN NECESSARILY MEET TODAY'S STANDARDS AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE FUTURE RE USE OF THAT IS DETERMINED, WHICH WOULD BE PHASE THREE OF THIS PROJECT. THEN I THINK WE CAN START FIGURING OUT WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? AND WHAT? WHAT RELIEF OR WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT MEASURES CAN WE TAKE THE KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE CURRENT STANDARDS AND WAS BUT WHAT IS FEASIBLE TO DO WITH THE HOUSE FROM THAT AGE? A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION PRESENTED TONIGHT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP US WITH THE BACKGROUND. ABSOLUTELY AND WE REALLY AND THAT'S WHY YOU KNOW THE BARN. HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF PHASE TWO OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENT EITHER, BUT WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE BUILDING A RESTROOM, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHICKEN COOP. YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS GRADING EFFORT AND NOT

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THAT'S A NATIONAL STANDARD. WE'RE MEETING AND EXCEEDING THAT. UM UP TO THE FLOOD PROTECTION ELEVATION. THE PROPOSAL IS TO USE FLOOD RESISTANT MATERIALS. AND THEN THE ADDED ELEMENT OF PROTECTION TO EQUALIZE HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE WITH FLOOD VENTS. AND I WOULD HAVE A 4/4 BULLET FLOOD PROTECTING ANY UTILITY SERVICES BUILDING. SO ALL OF THESE WOULD MEET NATIONAL STANDARDS. FOR PROTECTING THE BUILDING. SO THIS IS REALLY COMING TO A QUICK SUMMARY. UM THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE LAST ONE, THE LAST ONE THAT HAS ANY GRAPHICS ON IT JUST TO KIND OF RE ACQUAINT YOU WITH THE OVERALL SITE. UM, SHOWING THE INTENT TO PUT NEW RESTROOM FACILITY. THE RE FERBER'S CHICKEN COOP GARDEN SHED AND BARN EVENTUALLY. UM, EVERYTHING.

BESIDES WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY FOR VARIANCE DOES MEET THE CITY'S SPORT COAT OR EXCEEDS IT.

A LOT OF CAREFUL PLANNING WAS PUT INTO MAKING SURE THAT WAS THE CASE. UM THERE IS A DISCUSSION IN THE PACKET THAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED THAT GOES INTO HARDSHIPS. WHICH IS AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF APPEARANCE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT VERY MUCH VERY WELL. UM I'LL HIT HIM. I'LL HIT ON THEM QUICKLY, BUT ALLOW YOU ASKING QUESTIONS. IF YOU'VE UH, LOOKED AT THEM AND WANT MORE INFORMATION. WE'LL TRY AND PROVIDE IT. BUT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD TODAY ABOUT ADDING MORE PHIL. IT'S A LITTLE BIT COUNTERINTUITIVE, QUITE FRANKLY.

TO THE CITY'S OVERALL OBJECTIVES FOR THE FLOOD CODE. WE UNDERSTAND IT'S ABOUT FLOOD PROTECTING A BUILDING, WHICH IS WHY EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES WERE MADE OR PROPOSED TO PROTECT THE BUILDINGS. BUT WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF FILL IN THE FLOOD POINT AND THEREFORE ALSO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF COMPENSATORY STORAGE IS REQUIRED. AND YOU COULD SEE FROM ONE OF THE PRIOR GRAPHICS THAT WE'RE USING MOST. OF THE SITE ALREADY DO THOSE THINGS, UM, AND ADDING MORE FILL AND THEREFORE ADDING MORE COMPENSATORY STORAGE STARTED TO ADD MORE DISTURBANCE TO THE PROJECT AREA. WHETHER IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ROCKY FOUR CREEK OR JUST WITHIN THE NEW PARKLAND. SO WE THOUGHT WE FOUND A HAPPY MEDIUM. IN TERMS OF PHIL. THE CUT FOR COMPENSATORY STORAGE AND STILL FLOOD PROTECTING THE PROPOSED AND EXISTING BUILDINGS. SO ONE OF THE HARDSHIPS IS WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL PHIL THAT ADDITIONAL CUT AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH AND THE AMOUNT OF DISTURBED AREA THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. TO ACHIEVE THOSE WE TALKED ABOUT FLOOD PROOFING AS A AS A AS A PLAN B IF YOU WILL. DARN CLOSE TO THAT WITH THE BUILDINGS AS PROPOSED. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF ADDING THOSE FLOOD PROOF DOORS. BUT THOSE WERE ACTUALLY SAW AS A RISK. RELIABILITY TO THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN A PROTECTION. THEY REQUIRE MANUAL OPERATION. THEY REQUIRE SOMEONE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND. THAT IT'S TIME TO GO OUT THERE. AND ASSEMBLE THAT DOOR. WHAT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? THE BUILDING WOULD BE VULNERABLE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. UM AND AGAIN THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT DOOR, REPLACING IT AS NEEDED TESTING

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THE CITY CANNOT GRANT VARIANCE IF IT IS IN CONFLICT WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS. THIS PROJECT MEETS AND ACTUALLY EXCEEDS MINIMUM FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS. SO I THINK, BEN THIS QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM SO THE WAY I READ THIS WAS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE DUNKIN FACTORS THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT APPEAR TO BE BUILT INTO THE CODE REGULATION THAT NEED TO BE MET AS WELL. DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED TO BE MET, BUT THERE CERTAINLY CAN BE CONSIDERED AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ESTABLISHED ALONG THE WAY. SO I THINK THE WAY YOU READ, IT'S PROBABLY ACCURATE. YEP. UM I DIDN'T ASK EARLIER. THERE ISN'T ANY ENGINEERING ON THIS. OTHER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HEARD. I THINK ENGINEER JUST LEFT. SO IS THAT FAIR TO SAY THAT IS CORRECT . IT'S ONE. MAKE SURE WE'VE COVERED ALL OUR BASES. UM ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? NO QUESTIONS . I JUST THIS WAS INCREDIBLY WELL THOUGHT OUT. NIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SAME I CONCUR, DAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION. SO UM, WHY DON'T WE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CASE NUMBER OF ER 27 2023, NOTING THAT ONE OF THE SLIDES HAS A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR AND EITHER SHOULD BE ADDRESS DOWN THE ROAD OR JUST REFLECT ON THE RECORD THAT THAT THERE IS A DISCREPANCY THERE. I'LL SECOND.

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AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SURROUNDING THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. THE REQUEST. THE

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COMPARED TO THE POOL, WHICH IS ONLY 20. FEET BY 50 FT IN SIZE, WHICH COVERS LESS THAN 1% OF THE LAW. THE VARIANCE PRESERVES THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE CITY POOR REGULATIONS BECAUSE THE CITY COULD HAVE FIRED ORDINANCE PERMITS POOLS TO BE LOCATED IN THE SIDE YARD. HOWEVER THE EDGEMONT ZONING TEXT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN CITY STANDARDS. THERE ARE SPECIAL EDITIONS THAT APPLY TO THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY DUE TO THE SHAPE AND TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LOT. THIS FLAG LOT CREATES A GREAT ABUNDANCE OF SIDE YARD SPACE AND LESS REAR YARDS UNLESS VERY HARD SPACE COMPARED TO A TYPICAL RECTANGULAR LOT. IN ADDITION, THE REAR YARD CONTOUR LINES ARE CLOSER IN PROXIMITY, INDICATING THAT THE AREAS STEEPER ON THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WHEREAS THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HAS CONTOUR LINES FURTHER IN PROXIMITY, WHICH INDICATES A FLATTER AREA. THIS STEEP GEOGRAPHY. COMPLICATES CONSTRUCTION AND THE RELOCATION OF THE POOL ALLOWS FOR MORE IMPROVED ACCESS TO THE HOME. THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY ALTERED, CONSIDERING THE POOL WILL BE SURROUNDED BY SEVERAL LAYERS OF SCREENING HAS SEEN ABOVE EXAMPLES OF THESE LAYERS ARE SHOWN ABOVE, SUCH AS THE BRICK AND MORTAR WALL, SPENDING SIX FT IN HEIGHT TO PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT SCREENING. ALONG WITH A LAYER OF SURROUNDING THE WALL WITH LANDSCAPING LIKE SHRUBS AND TREES. ADDITIONALLY THERE IS A DOUBLE ROW OF EVER GREEN SHRUBS ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, PROVIDING MORE SCREENING. THIS VARIANCE IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL DUE TO THE LARGE LAW AREAS, SETBACKS AND SCREENING. ADDITIONALLY THERE APPEARS TO BE SITE CONSTRAINTS. AND AT THIS TIME CITY STAFF IS READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS NEEDED. I HAD A QUESTION. UM. THE STAFF REPORT NOTED THAT THE WELL, HERE'S MY FIRST QUESTION, SO UM. HOW EXTENSIVE IS THE EDGE MORE THAN SAY THAT RIGHT? EDGEMONT SUB AREA, CAN YOU. DOES IT COVER? JUST THOSE THREE LOTS THAT WERE THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS THERE ALONG. LANDON OR IS IT BROADER THAN THAT? SO IT IS BROADER. SO THE EDGEMONT ZONING TEXT INCLUDES THE THREE LOTS NORTH OF LAMPTON PARK ROAD AND THEN ALSO INCLUDES EVERYTHING IN THE WATERSTONE PORTION OF THE COUNTRY CLUB. SO THESE ARE ALL WHILE THEY'RE IN THE WATER STONE. THEY ARE TECHNICALLY SUBJECT TO THE SAME ZONING TEXT THAT WE CALL EDGEMONT GOT IT. SO IT WAS. I KNOW THIS IS GOING BACK. AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT WAS THE IDEA THAT MAYBE THE AREA ACROSS THE ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OF HOMES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LANDING PARK. THAT'S SORT OF THE SENSE MAYBE. YEAH, I DO THINK THAT WAS THE SENSE AT ONE POINT THAT THAT COULD BE IN ADDITION OR SHOULD SAY AN EXPANSION OF THAT WATERSTONE YES, SUBDIVISION LIKE YOU SEE TO THE SOUTH, AND I THINK AT THE TIME THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY IN THE COUNTRY CLUB CREATED THESE ESTATE LOTS AND WAS ABLE TO TRANSFER THOSE ZONING UNITS TO ARE THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO OTHER SECTIONS OF THE COUNTRY CLUB. GOT IT. UM SO. I GUESS IT'S KIND OF FAIR TO SAY THAT THE SIDE LOT RESTRICTION IS REALLY FOCUSED MORE ON THE SMALLER LOTS THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LAND, AND THEN NECESSARILY THE STATE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? WE AGREE WITH THAT? STEVE JUST REAL QUICK AND FOLLOW UP.

IT DID INCLUDE IT DOES INCLUDE THIS LOT TO CORRECT. SORRY, I'M GONNA MISS THAT. SO THESE THREE AND THEN OVER HERE. THAT IS CORRECT. THANKS STEPHEN. THIS HERE IS THAT IT? DON'T REPRESENT SUPPORT BEHIND YOUR HOUSE. IT IS . IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THAT THE GARAGE IS HERE, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A 45 DEGREE ANGLE FOR THE HOME IN THE GARAGE, SO IT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE, MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. SAME HERE. THE HOUSE IS LOCATED RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS NEW OPENING COUNTRY CLUB AND THERE'S A POOL RIGHT HERE JUST ABOVE THE WORD ALBANY ALSO BEHIND THE HOUSE. IN

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UH, OUR CLIENT. THE VENUS IS. AND SO THE TOTAL USE IT, OKAY? ONCE YOU CUT AND CROSS OVER THE CREEK DOWN HERE, THIS RIDE IS UP ON THAT RIDGE LINE COMING THROUGH AND THEN KIND OF DISSIPATES. DOWN IN THIS FLAT A LOT OF THE BOX. GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE COMING IN THE DRIVEWAY INSTITUTE OF SYRIA COMING IN AND COMING IN THROUGH THE TREES. PROPOSED SIDE GUARD LOCATION FOR THAT POOL. IT'S PRETTY WELL BLOCKED. AS YOU TELL ME THROUGH THESE EVERGREENS TO WIND AWAY UP THE HILL SOURCE SPEAKING SO TODD PARKER IS THE ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED IT. YOU KNOW THAT LINEAR LAYOUT KIND OF ALONG THAT RIDGE TOP X LOST SENSE. WHERE THE HOUSES PROGRAM WHICH YOUTH'S BE ABLE TO MONITOR THEIR CHILDREN. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOWER WALK OUT AT THIS END OF THE HOUSE. YOU'LL COME OUT ON YOUR PATIO. PROPOSED PATIO AND IT STEPPED DOWN. TO GET TO WHAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THE FINAL POOL ELEVATION. WHAT YOUR SANDWICH DIDN'T HERE IS YOUR GAS UTILITY LINE. I SHOULD THINK OF BROKEN. THAT GAS SEES MINUTES KIND OF GOING THROUGH NORTH AND SOUTH, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH THAT MASONRY WAR TOO CLOSE TO THAT EASEMENT WHERE WE COULDN'T MATCH I THINK IT'S. BUT. IF WE GOT YOU KNOW THE PROPOSED WAR BUILT AND WE'RE STILL AWAY FROM THAT 9 95 STILL GETS THIS ROOM THAT WE'RE NOT DISTURBING ANY EXISTING GREAT

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MM HMM. BUT THERE'S NO PHOTOGRAPH. THERE'S NO DEPICTION OF WHAT THE WHOLE THING WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU'RE PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. IT APPEARS TO BE VERY SIMILAR IN DESIGN TO THE BRICK WALL THAT EXISTS ALONG US 62 IN LAMBTON PARK. IF YOU. RECALLS THE DRIVE DOWN 62.

THERE'S THE BRICK WALL HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN HEIGHT AND DESIGN IS THAT THAT'S HOPEFUL. YEAH I FORGOT ALL THAT. YEAH ALTHOUGH THIS WOULD BE PAINTED MASK IT. BUT YOU HAVE A WATER TABLE ON COLUMNS. VERY SIMPLE. WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN FRANCE. UH I DON'T THINK IT'S A CITY CODE REQUIREMENT IT COULD BE AS PART OF THE COUNTRY CLUB ASSOCIATION REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY ACHIEVES CONSISTENCY TO ALONG THIS ESTATE LOTS. HMM GREAT, LOGICAL ONE POINT AND THEN IT ENDED UP. BASED ON THE GRADING THAT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE COUNTRY CLUB IN THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED. BEHIND THE HOUSE, AND THAT WOULD BE COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS. CAN THE POOL BE INSTALLED THERE? YES YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RETAINING WALL. ON THE GOLF COURSE SIDE. THAT WOULD BE EXPOSED. YOU'D WANT TO PROBABLY VENTURE YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IT IN STEPS TO COME DOWN OFF THE BACKED TERRORISTS HOUSE MAYBE MAYBE NOT. YOU COULD PUSH AND CONTOURS TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE AND PUSHING CONTOURS TO THE NORTH OF THAT. THEN YOU HAVE TO PROBABLY FALL OFF AT SOME POINT WHERE YOU MENTION IT, AND YOU'D HAVE EXPOSED WOW.

OBTAINING WALL TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE. WOULD THAT ADD COST TO THE PROJECT? CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A SIX FT. TALL MAINSTREAM WALL AROUND THE BOARD . IT'S YOU KNOW, SUGGESTED SERGEANT LOCATION. CERTAINLY ANY KIND OF WALLS. TO MAINTAIN. WITH THAT BEAUTIFUL A PROJECT COST YOU CAN'T. HEALTH SCREENINGS, THE BOTTOM PORTION WAS SCREENED WITH TREES IS THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE HOUSE. WILL THERE STILL BE? PLENTY OF COVERAGE. WE COULDN'T SEE IT VERY MUCH WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN AND EVEN TOWARDS THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN 0.14 WEST. THAT ENTRY APPROACH LITTLE BIT OF SUBTLE LANDSCAPING IN PROSE THAT ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPOSED FALL I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO PRETTY MUCH BLEND AND GO AWAY. YOU KNOW THAT THE MOST OF THE EXPERIENCE WOULD BE TO THE GOLF COURSE SIDE. NORTH SIDE. BUT IF YOU PRAYED IN ST UH, VERY WELL IF YOU PUT IT ON THE BEHIND THE HOUSE IS THERE PLENTY OF TREES THAT WOULD COVER THE WALL AND THE POOL FROM NO, THERE'S NOT THERE'S A FEW SCRAGGLY THINGS OVER IN THE CORNER THERE AND STOP THAT. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS TOO. YOU'RE LOOKING UP. WHICH IS KIND OF THE SAME CONDITION WE HAD ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR. THANK YOU. HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE HOMEOWNER THAT'S TO THE WEST AND GET SOME SORT OF SPECIFIC.

STATEMENT FROM THEM WHETHER THEY ALRIGHT AGREEMENT WITH THE REQUEST OR IF THEY'RE OPPOSED TO

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YEAH NO PROBLEM. WE DIDN'T TALK TO SARAH AND LEO ROBERTO AND THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT.

LOCATION AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION TO MR SHELL. COULD WE GO BACK TO THE GOLF COURSE.

THANK YOU. THERE'S A GOLF AND IMPORTANT GOLF POINT HERE FOR GOLFERS. UM THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE T ON THE EAST SIDE. AND THE MOST FREQUENT LOT LANDED IN ON THIS GOLF COURSES ARE ARE LOT WE KNOW THAT AND WE WERE FINE WITH THAT. TEASE IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE TEE BOXES ARE. AND THE GREEN. IT'S A PART FOUR AND EVERY AMATEUR TRIES TO CUT THAT CORNER. AND ALL THE BALLS LAND IN OUR BACKYARD. FROM I DON'T THINK THEY'LL HIT THE HOUSE. THEY MIGHT, BUT WE PUT TEMPERED GLASS IN I SUSPECT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO CUT THE CORNER ICE AND THEY JUST END UP THERE. IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE MR CUTS ACROSS THE BALLS SLICES AND IT'S THE FIRST PIECE SO EVERYONE WANTS TO TRY TO KILL IT. SO IT'S A FREQUENT SLICED LANDING AREA. SURE. THERE'S NO TREES. REALLY IT'S VERY THIN FROM THE TEE BOXES INTO OUR LOT. AND IF YOU CAN SEE IT'S DIFFERENT WHERE ON THE SIDE YARD, THERE'S COMPLETE TREAT PROTECTION. IT'S HIDDEN. ACTUALLY IN THAT LOCATION. AND FROM A. IF YOU HOLD THE GOLFERS AT THE GOLF COURSE THEY'VE SAVED. MOVE IT OVER THERE SO WE CAN'T SEE IT WHEN WE'RE ON THE TEE BOX. WE'RE GOLFERS AND WE DO RESPECT THE GOLF COURSE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS TO THE GOLFERS ALSO BY MOVING IT AWAY. UM WE DO HAVE A DOWN SYNDROME DAUGHTER. AND SHE DOES TAKE OFF EVERY NOW AND THEN, AND WE LIKE KEVIN, HER A LITTLE BIT FARTHER AWAY. AND SO THAT WE COULD SEE RIGHT ONTO THE POOL HIS POINT ABOUT MANAGING THE CHILDREN PROPERLY. AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE BUILT THE WALL SO THAT SHE CAN'T WANDER IN THERE, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PUT A COVER ON IT. SO IT'S VERY PROTECTED. IT'S HIDDEN BACK IN THE CORNER, AND I'M A GOLFER, TOO. AND I WOULD PREFER THAT LOCATION FOR PEACE. WE ALSO BUILT A WALL IN CASE IT'S LOUD AND SPLASHY IN THERE. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T ANNOY THE GOLFERS. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU APPRECIATE THAT. QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. I'M ASSUMING THE TWO HOMEOWNERS ON EACH SIDE RECEIVED SOME TYPE OF LETTER. THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. ALL HOMEOWNERS BOTH BOTH OF US ON BOTH SIDES, AND ACROSS THE STREET, RECEIVED NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION LETTERS OF THIS VARIANCE AND HEARING TONIGHT AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY CALLS OR NOPE. NO CALLS. THANK YOU. JUST AGAIN, STEVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TOTALLY BE THESE THREE HOMES HERE. THIS HOME IN THIS HOME CORRECT. A TOTAL OF FIVE FOR A NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATIONS. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. HEARING NONE. ARE WE READY TO VOTE? RIGHT, UM . YEAH. MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CASE NUMBER 29 2023. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL MR WALLACE. YES. YES, MR SHELL. THREE VOTES IN FAVOR PROMOTION ON THE CASE. YOU KNOW WHAT SHE DID? ALRIGHT I'LL MOVE TO PROVE APPLICATION BR 29 2023 BASED ON THE FINDING AND STAFF REPORT, AND I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY CONDITION IN NO, THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS THAT ARE SET ON THIS CASE. SARAH'S SECOND. SECOND MR WALLACE. YES.

MS BRIGGS? YES, MR SCHELL? YES VOTES IN FAVOR, AND BEFORE WE GOT JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT THE RECORD BECAUSE THE STATEMENT I MADE EARLIER IS I THINK I VOTED IN FAVOR OF TWO OF

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ALRIGHT ANYBODY NEED A BREAK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES? ALRIGHT, LET'S GO. NEXT CASE IS F P L. 30 2023. IT'S A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATFORM. THE DEDICATION OF THIRD STREET, MAIN STREET MARKET STREET, GRANVILLE STREET AND HIGH STREET, UM, AS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YES ACTUALLY JUST REALIZATION PRICE STAND UP HERE. IT'S OVER HERE. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE THEY'RE GETTING IT IN STEREO TONIGHT. THAT'S GREAT. SO MIKE PARKER, THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, IS ALSO HERE TO KIND OF HELP ME OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO TAG TEAM. THIS PRESENTATION. BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS THE FINAL PART APPLICATION FOR DEDICATED CATION OF RIGHT AWAY ALONG VARIOUS EXISTING STREETS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER FOR THE PROPOSED MARKET STREET THIRD STREET EXTENSION. THIS AREA THAT WAS ALSO THIS AREA WAS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. BUT THIS RED LINES IN THIS MAP CAN'T DICTATE. UM OR IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE DEDICATED AS RIGHT OF WAY, OR I THINK THERE'S SOME UTILITY EASEMENT AREAS AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST TO KIND OF ORIENT EVERYONE. THIS IS MARKET STREET. HERE. THE APARTMENTS. CURRENTLY SITTING IN THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE TALL, SO THE ROAD WOULD CONTINUE FROM WHERE MARKET STREET CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS OR CONNECTING TO SOUTH, HIGH STREET OR STATE AROUND 605. UP TO THIRD STREET HERE. SO I CAN GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY IMPORTANT ROLE CONNECTION . SO WHEN WE DID OUR STRATEGIC PLAN BACK IN 2019 2021 OF THE PRIMARY AREAS OF CONCERN THAT WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS WITH THE CONGESTION THAT'S EXPERIENCED, UM THERE'S A LOT OF VARIOUS TERMS THAT AROUND SOMEWHERE, BUT SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS AREA. THE INTERSECTION OF MAIN STREET AND HIGH STREET IS LIKE THE KNUCKLE OR THE BOWTIE. WHATEVER WE CALL IT, THIS INTERSECTION, UH, CONVEYS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THE CITY AND CAUSES A LOT OF CONGESTION IN OUR BUILD CENTER AND A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITH SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS IN THOSE PASSENGER COMMUNITY, SO WE DID SOME OF THOSE INITIAL TRAFFIC MODELS. WE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT 40% OF TRAPPED 40% OF TRAFFIC. THAT'S YOU KNOW, THREE NEW ALBANY OR THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION OF 40% OF THAT TRAFFIC DOES NOT ORIGINATE OR END. IN NEW ALBANY. SO THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING FROM NEW ALBANY OR THEIR DESTINATION IS NOT IN NEW ALBANY. UH ALL THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC EXPERIENCED ONE YEAR 62, YOU KNOW. PROBABLY ALONG AT THIS SECTION AS WELL. THIS ADDITIONAL CONNECTION OF CONNECTION OF THE MARKET STREET EXTENSION. IT'S REALLY CRITICAL CONNECTION TOP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. THIS ROAD IS BEING DESIGNED. IT'S REALLY SURFACE OF BYPASS. UM FOR FOLKS TRAVELING ALONG US 62. TO UH, TO HAVE COME TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS THE THROUGH MOVEMENT. THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO THOSE USERS THAT AREN'T YOU KNOW, STARTING IN NEW ALBANY OR ENDING IN NEW ALBANY. THOSE FOLKS CAN USE THIS BYPASS ALMOST TO GET AROUND, UM AROUND THE VILLAGE CENTER AND HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC AT THIS INTERSECTION HERE. SO WE'VE DONE ADDITIONAL STUDIES MAKE IN HISTORY HAVE DONE ADDITIONAL STUDIES, AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THIS CONNECTION WILL DEVIATE FROM THAT 40% NUMBER BY HALF. SO IT ALLEVIATE 20% OF THOSE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD DURING THANK YOU, NORMALLY STRATEGIC PRODUCT PROCESS. SO THAT'S KIND OF SOME OF THE BACKGROUND OF WHY THIS ROAD CONNECTION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.

JUST KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE BLACK AND WHITE FLAT HERE TYPICALLY INCLUDE. HAS IT BEEN A VERY ALLUDED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN HAS ALWAYS SHOWN THIS ENVISION THIS CONNECTION BEING LOCATED KIND OF THE ALIGNMENTS KIND OF GOING TO BE, BUT THE GENERAL CONNECTION HAS ALWAYS

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UPDATE UPDATE AND ALL OF THE CREDITING A JUDGMENT THAT WE HAD TRAFFIC IN THE VILLAGE CENTER PRIMARY SOURCE OF THE CONGESTION . THIS INTERSECTION 605 AND 62. IS THAT HE GOES PIZZA THERE. THE ISSUE IS THAT IT'S UNDER IT'S UNDER CAPACITY. THERE'S JUST MORE CARVED GOING TO THAT INTERSECTION, THEN THAT INTERSECTION FROM SAFELY CONVEY WITHOUT THE WAY SO BASED ON THE BUILT CONDITION THERE. IT REALLY PRECLUDES INABILITY TO PAD CASSIDY'S SO YOU CAN'T JUST ADD AN ADDITIONAL TURN LATER THROUGH LEARNING TO REALLY HELP MOVE TRAFFIC THROUGH. THE OPTION ISN'T REALLY THE OPPOSITE. THE OPTION IS, LET'S LET'S DETER TRAFFIC. LET'S SEND TRAFFIC AND OTHER SO REALLY THE INTENT OF THIS THIS NEW CONNECTION IS THAT PEOPLE THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE PRIMAL HERE. TURN RIGHT TO GO FOR 1 61. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH MORE CONVENIENT WAY HERE AROUND WITHOUT AND AVOID THAT ALTOGETHER MUCH SAME COMING TO SOUTH DIRECTION. PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT SCHOOL TRAFFIC DURING THE AM TEAM IN PARTICULAR, REALLY BACKED UP, SO WE'RE GOING CREATING THE BYPASS, WHICH IS GOING TO ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE TO AVOID THE CENTER SECTION ALTOGETHER AND ALLOWS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CONTINUE MOVING THE TRAFFIC AND ALSO WERE DIRECTLY REDUCING THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT EVER MADE. SO THIS IMPROVEMENT WILL VOTE THREE ALBUMS AND TRAFFIC AND SOME FROM THE ICE CREAM AT THIS INTERSECTION. AS WELL AS THROUGH THE NIGHT. BYPASSES. THREE POINT VILLA CENTER. SO. AGAIN WE WILL HAVE A PRACTICAL SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION HERE. UM AND IT WILL BE TIME THAT A LOT GET INTO THE THROUGH MOVING A PROLONGED AND THIRD STREET. NOT THAT IT'S NOT THIS. THIS CONNECTION WILL REMAIN. IT WILL BE REDESIGNED AND IT'LL APPEAR MORE AS A SIDE FREE PRIMARY THROUGH MOVEMENT.

MOVEMENT AGAIN REALLY GOING TO BE 60 TO 1? THIRD STREET. MHM. TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION.

IT'S GOING TO KIND OF BE LIKE A T. THAT'S SORT OF THE IDEA. YEAH IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF CURVATURE . BUT YES, IT WILL FUNCTION MUCH LIKE A TV WITH BASICALLY THE WESTERN LEG OF THAT KEY BEING A

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UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WE EXPECT TO SEE ON THIS ROAD NOW IT'S GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS. TODAY. RICK IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY HOLD OUT. UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS. THAT WE ARE INTENDING TO HAVE A PARALLEL PARKING HMM. I WONDER THE EAST SIDE TO THE CHURCH INSIDE. AH WON'T BE MADE OF BRICK, SO WE'RE KIND OF SORT OF WORKING BACK TO SO IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE LIKE A BOULEVARD KIND OF THING. NOW IT WILL BE, BASICALLY, SO IT'S GENERALLY IT WAS A TWO LANE BROTHER. WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL INTERSECTIONS. IT'LL WIDEN TO THREE LANE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A LEFT, RIGHT, OKAY. SO THERE'S KIND OF A SHORTER SECTION. MAYBE THE MIDDLE THIRD OF IT IS GOING TO BE A KIND OF TRADITIONAL TULANE SECTION. AND THERE WILL BE PARALLEL PARKING IN ON THE EAST SIDE. NOW WHEN YOU CROSS AND GO SOUTH W GRATEFUL ROSE. RIGHT AROUND HERE. A CENTER MEDIUM WILL BE AGAIN. CONTINUE ALL THE WAY. MORE OR LESS TO THE GROUND AND ON ITSELF. THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO GIVE IT. TREAT MEDIA AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE MORE OF A VOTER ROAD TYPE OF FEEL TO IT.

OKAY LIGHT FEEL AND AGAIN, IT'LL IT'LL BE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HEAVILY PLANTED ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S GOING TO BE A STORM WATER BASINS AND THEIR THEIR REGIONAL STORMWATER BASINS. NOT ONLY TO ACCOMMODATE. DRAINAGE OF THE ROADWAY ITSELF, BUT ALSO GREETED MANY, MANY FORTUNES OF THE HISTORIC VILLAGE CENTER. AS A WHOLE SO THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCT. AND JUMP. BEST PATIENT OVER HERE. SO HERE FOR THE ROAD FROM STRAINING. IT KIND OF GOES THROUGH BRIDGET, JUST LOCATION. THE VILLAGE IS VILLAGE HALL IS VILLAGE HALL ROAD. GONNA CONSIDER TO BE EXTENDED. THERE IS NO PLAN TO EXTEND VILLAGE HALL ROAD. AND WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT AREA BETWEEN UM 605 SOUTH HIGH AND THE NEW YES, THAT'S THE SO THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED. IT'S I KNOW THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT. UM THERE ARE SOME OTHER ISSUES ON THAT THAT WOULD LIMIT DEVELOPMENT. POTENTIAL FLOODPLAIN IS THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CLEANED UP. PART OF ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT ZONE. THERE'S A SLIDE THAT TELLS US BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW ITS OWN COULD YOU REVIEW THE FLOODPLAIN FOR US LANGUAGE? I'M JUST KIDDING. SO THE CURRENT PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS RESIDENTIAL ZONING ENTITLEMENTS ON IT. ITS RESOLUTION. THAT'S WHAT I SUSPECTED, BUT IT WASN'T CHECKED. LIKE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS SO NO CHANGES DOWN HERE. LIKE THIS IS GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME. I'M ASKING BECAUSE OF THE RED, SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WIDENING OR SOMETHING CHANGING HERE.

QUESTION. SO AS WITH MOST UM, ROUNDABOUTS, YOU GENERALLY SEE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A JOB IS KIND OF A WEED. AS YOU NEED TO GO OUT OF A ROUNDABOUT. SO THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY THIS MEETING IN THIS LOCATION THE ROADWAY IS GOING TO CONTINUE AND IT'S GOING TO KIND OF WE GO FOR A LITTLE BIT. UM BEFORE IT ENTERS INTO THE ROUNDS OUT. THE JOB IS AN INTENTIONAL DESIGN CONSIDERATION THAT HELPS THE TRAFFIC TO SLOW. THE OTHER SCOPE OF WORK THAT'S HAPPENING IN HERE THAT REALLY IS UNRELATED TO THE ROAD ITSELF. NOW IN FRONT OF THEIR BASICALLY A GAP IN THE CITY'S WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. SOMEONE STREETS FARM WAS BUILT IN 2013 SOMETIME AROUND THEIR BASICALLY, THEY BUILT A WATER MAIN. THAT BASICALLY STUFF RIGHT HERE. SO WE ARE GOING TO CONNECT THAT GAP, UM, OF WATER MAIN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BROADWAY.

IT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS TO HAVE REDUNDANT LOOPS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, WHICH THIS WILL CREATE. MORE MORE RELIABILITY FOR A RESIDENCE. AND THEN SO THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL

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YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WAITING ON KIND OF TRYING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, BUT BUT YES , AGAIN, THAT NORTHBOUND TURN AND THE SAME THING THAT SOUTHBOUND, YOU KNOW. CALL IT RIGHT TURN THAT THAT WOULD STILL REMAIN. AVAILABLE AND THEN REMIND ME WHAT THIS IS THAT IS A HISTORIC HOMES, HISTORIC FARMHOUSE AND OH, MY! OH, IT'S INDIVIDUAL, OKAY? THE WORK. YOU KNOW, OUR REGIONAL BASIN IS GOING TO BE YOU KIND OF KIND OF IN THIS AREA HERE. THERE WILL BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK. IT'S YOU KNOW, SOMEONE APPROXIMATE TO THAT HOME SO THAT INDIVIDUAL ZONES LIKE THIS SQUARE HERE. IT'S PART OF THE LARGER OVERALL A STATE PROPERTY, OKAY? AND JUST JUST TO JUST TO CHECK THE BOXES. THERE'S WITH THIS APPLICATION. YOU BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY TO DO EVERYTHING? THAT THE CITY THINKS THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO TO DO THAT. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT THERE WERE ONLY GETTING RIGHT AWAY ON THIS PLANT. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE THIRD STREET. WE ARE GETTING THERE IS ALSO A NEED TO OBTAIN RIGHT AWAY FROM THE CHURCH ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT'S JUST IN TERMS OF THE PRACTICALITY OF HAVING DIFFERENT SIGNATURES ON DIFFERENT FLATS. WE INTEND TO FACEBOOK ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY THAT WE NEEDED THIS CORNER. BY A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE PLANNING PROCESS JUST BASED ON WHAT WE'RE TAKING, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS PLANT DOES NOT REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED. THERE IS SOME RESIDUAL THAT WE NEED FROM THE CHURCH. WHICH THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY COOPERATIVELY WITH STILL VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF OUR PROJECT AND HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE. I'M SORRY, MIKE. I HAD ONE OTHER FOLLOW UP. SO THIS IS A TWO WAY STOP. CORRECT SO THE CARS WILL FLOW THIS WAY. AND STOP THIS WAY AND STOP THIS WAY.

THAT'S CORRECT. YES. AND WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? SO WE WILL BE BIDDING THE PROJECT, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 1 TO 2 MONTHS. THE ATTEMPT WOULD BE TO GET A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD. THERE ARE SOME OTHER LOGISTICAL CONSIDERATIONS PROBABLY HEARD OF THE INDIAN FAT. MAYBE NOT. BUT BASICALLY, THERE'S SOME ARE CLEARING ISSUES THAT COME INTO PLAY WHERE IT BEGAN ABOUT, WHICH IS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES PROTECTED BY US QUALIFIED. THEY WON'T ALLOW FOR SUMMER THEORY TREATS WITHOUT RESPECT. ROMANCES SO IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT WE WILL BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION.

PROBABLY IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, WHICH THEN REOPENS THAT ALLOWABLE THEORY WINDOW.

WE'RE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A DETAILED PHASING OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DUPLICATE. THE ERRORS OF THE PAST THAT WE HAD AS FAR AS GROWTH RUN WHEN THAT WAS A CONSTRUCTION AND DOUBLE GREENVILLE ROAD, THAT'S DIFFICULT. FOR SO MANY OF US WHERE SO THE WORK BASICALLY ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THIS, WE ANTICIPATE TO COME AS PART OF A SECOND PHASE. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE PROJECT, BUT IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THE PROJECT WILL PROGRESS FROM SOUTH TO NORTH IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE. AND THAT'S ALL PURPOSE BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT INTERCHANGE PROJECT THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY NOW. YOU DON WRAPPED UP. PROBABLY SO WE'RE SURE NOT TO SEND PEOPLE FROM. ONE KIND OF CONSTRUCTION ZONE INTO ANOTHER. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. IF ONE WAS TO START FROM VILLAGE CENTER THERE, MAYBE JUST SOUTH OF VILLAGE CENTER ON THE ROUNDABOUT GO A LITTLE. GOT A LITTLE WEST THERE ON THAT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT, THEREFORE WAS TO START LIKE RIGHT THERE. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE TIMING WOULD BE FOR IF YOU IF YOU TOOK THE NEW ROAD UP. TWO MAIN STREET OR IF YOU WENT THE

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SO THERE ARE TEMPORARY ACCOMMODATIONS. FOR THE FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THOSE HOMES. YES. PART OF THAT, TOO. THERE ARE SOME DRIVEWAYS THAT CURRENTLY COME OUT ONTO THIRD STREET. SO THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO ELIMINATE HER CUTS ONTO THIRD STREET. BUT IT'S GOING TO REESTABLISH DRIVEWAYS AND ACCESS ON THE REAR PALLEY. ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR ACCESS TO MAINTAIN. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US IS THE ENGINEERING COMPONENT OF THIS PRESENTATION. SO WHEN I ASKED FOR ENGINEERING, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD IT RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. YEAH, AWESOME. UM ANY OTHER MINUTE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFFING THE APPLICANTS AND SO ARE THE SAME. SO ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS HEARING. NONE MOVED TO. I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT CRYSTAL. YOU MIGHT WANT TO PRESENT ALRIGHT.

MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CASE NUMBER FBL 32 2023 IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. MR WALLACE. YES MR SCHELL? YES, VOTES IN FAVOR. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CASE? OR DO I HAVE TO MAKE IT AGAIN? MAKE EMOTION, DAVE. UM I'LL MOVE FOR MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR APPLICATION. F PL DASH 30-2023 BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF REPORT.

AND THERE'S NO CONDITIONS. I BELIEVE CORRECT. I'LL SECOND THAT. MS BRIGGS. MR WALLACE? YES, YES. AWESOME JOB, GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE

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WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A MEETING ON APRIL 3RD. I THINK YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY WILL BE GETTING A QUORUM CALL REQUESTING FOR OUR FIRST MEETING IN THE SENSE OF WHETHER THE 20TH, WHICH WOULD BE OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IS TODAY IS THE 20TH FOR A WEEK. SO I'M A LITTLE MESSED UP. SHOULD WE GO THE THIRD OR THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AND ABLE I RECOMMEND IT. I GUESS MY RECOMMENDATION TO PUT IT TO THE THIRD. AND IF WE HAVE A QUORUM, THEN WE CAN YEAH. ALL

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ANY COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC COMMISSION MEMBERS JOB. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. THANKS, DAVID.

SURE.

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