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          READY? OKAY I'D LIKE TO CALL OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FROM MONDAY. JULY. 17TH, 
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CAN I GET THE ROLE? MR KIRBY. MR WALLACE PRESIDENT. MR SCHELL PRESENT MISS BRIGGS HERE. MR. LARSON PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK PRESENT. WE HAVE ALL VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. THANKS THIS TIME. THREE ACTIONS ON THE MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 19 
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COMEDIAN. I HAVE A CORRECTION TO THE MINUTES. PAGE TWO. AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. 53 FT WIDE 115 FT DEEP AND ABOUT SOME OF THEM WANTED TO 40. THAT'S UM THE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY 7.1 AND CHANGE. UNITS PER ACRE. IN THE 40 IS A REFERENCE TO 40,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS AN APPROXIMATION OF THE 43,560 SQUARE FEET. THAT ONE ACRE IS SO IT WAS JUST A QUICK SHOT AT WHAT THE POINT DENSITY, THE MINIMUM OF THE MAXIMUM POINT DENSITY OF THAT DEVELOPMENT COULD BE OTHERWISE, THE NUMBERS DON'T MAKE INTO 40TH 40,000. OTHER CORRECTIONS. MR CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU MIND SUBMITTING YOUR WRITTEN PROMISE ME THAT REALLY FOLLOWED ? SURE THEY ARE. BASICALLY IT'S THE MATH ON ACREAGE THAT WE TAKE THEIR MINIMUM LOT WITH FUNDS OR MINIMUM DEPTH. THAT'S THE SMALLEST POSSIBLE LOT. WE DIVIDE 43,000 AND CHANGE. I KNOW THAT APPROXIMATE. ONE ACRE IS APPROXIMATELY 40,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS WHAT I SAID IN THE MEETING FOR THE 40. OH AND THE ACTUAL IS THE NUMBER OF THAT WRITTEN IN THE MARGIN. AND SO WE COME OUT TO 7.1 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          YES, THE INTENSITY. THE SMALLEST UNITS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE RECORD OF ACTION THAT WE HAD TWO OF THEM MOST DATED ON THE 20TH. 
          CAN THAT WE'RE USING THE SECOND ONE, WHICH HAS A REVISION TO CONDITIONS SELLING IN AND POSSIBLY 11. DO I HEAR ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS ON THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 19TH? DO WE NEED SOME SORT OF EMOTION TO SUPPLEMENT THE RECORD WITH REGARD TO THE CORRECTED DECISION AND RECORD ACTION. YEAH. HI BUDDY PEANUT MIGHT FOR THEN I'LL DIRECT TODAY . DO YOU NEED A MOTION? NO. AS LONG AS YOUR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES ENCOMPASSES WHAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED, WHICH I THINK IT WILL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES. NO. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. DO I HEAR A 2ND 2ND? DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. CAN YOU ROLL, PLEASE? MR KIRBY BRIGGS. MR. WALLACE YES, SHELL? YES, MR LARSON? YES? I HAVE FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES AS 
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CORRECTED. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS. THE AGENDA. WOULD EVERYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU AND WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE, CHECK OUR PHONES AND MAKE THEM SILENT. TAKES US TO ITEM. FIVE HEARING A BUSINESS FOR ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE 
          [V. Hearing of visitors for items not on tonight's agenda]
ANY VISITORS THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THE THING THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? HEARING NONE. 
          [VI. Case]
WE TAKE OUR WE GO TO OUR FIRST CASE IS UNCHANGED. 58 2023 CAN YOU HEAR FROM STAFF? THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION . THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A REZONING OF 78.16. THE OVERALL SITE CONSISTS OF FIVE PARCELS, AND IT'S LOCATED WITHIN FRANKLIN COUNTY. THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BABBITT ROAD. FOUR OF THE SUBJECT PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. THE FIRST READING OF THE ANNEXATION WAS HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 7TH. AND THE SECOND READING. IS SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD. ACTUALLY, TOMORROW EVENING ON JULY 18TH 2023. THE ROCKY FORK BLACK LIKE A CORD, REVIEWED THE REZONING AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AT THEIR JUNE MEETING. THE STATE IS COMPRISED OF FARM FIELDS AND RESIDENTIAL 
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HOMES. THE NEIGHBORING USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS INCLUDE ALGAE AND UNINCORPORATED AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL. THE RED STAR ON THE SCREEN DEPICTS THE GENERAL AREA OF THIS SITE ON THE ZONING MAP. THE REQUEST PROPOSES TO CREATE A NEW LIMITATION TEXT FOR THE AREA KNOWN AS BABBITT EAST ZONING DISTRICT AND WILL BE ZONED LIMITED GENERAL EMPLOYMENT. THE EU PROPOSED REZONING SERVES AS AN EXPANSION OF THE NEW ALBANY INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK. THE LIMITATION TEXT CONTAINS THE SAME LIST OF PERMITTED CONDITIONAL AND PROHIBITED USES AS OTHER SIMILAR ALGAE DISTRICTS. ON THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE YELLOW AREA IS THE PROPOSED REZONING. UM AND THE HATCHED YELLOW AREA IS WHAT IS BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS BY THE DIFFERENT COLORS. PURPLE RED, BLUE AND SO FORTH ARE ALSO CURRENTLY SOME LG. THE PERMITTED USES INCLUDE MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION, GENERAL OFFICE ACTIVITIES, WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION, DATA CENTERS AND RESEARCH AND PRODUCTION USES. THESE ONLY IN TEXT WOULD CREATE THE SAME OR SIMILAR STANDARDS AS OTHER LG DISTRICTS. THE ZONING TEXT PERMITS 65 FT TALL BUILDINGS. HISTORICALLY THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED 65 FT HEIGHT CAPS ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER RECENTLY THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED LG DISTRICTS WITH BUILDINGS AS HIGH AS 80 TO 85 FT. SINCE THIS SITE IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO KEEP THE 65 FT HEIGHT LIMITATION THAT IS TYPICALLY USED WHEN ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL THERE IS FOR CITED SCREENING FOR SIGHT AND SOUND OF ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. THE PROPOSED SETBACKS MEET OTHERS SIMILARLY USED OWNED PARCELS. AND EXCEED STANDARD BUILDING SETBACKS FROM THE CITY CODE. THERE SHALL BE A MINIMUM PAVEMENT AND BUILDING SETBACK OF 100 FT. FROM ANY PERIMETER BOUNDARY THAT IS ADJACENT TO PROPERTY WHERE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PERMITTED. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS. WITHIN THE 100 FT. STEP BACK, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO INSTALL 75% OPACITY SCREENING THAT MEETS A MINIMUM OF 10 FT IN HEIGHT WITHIN FIVE YEARS. THE SITE IS LOCATED AND ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLANS NEXT TO USE FUTURE LAND USE, CATEGORY OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL USES ARE A COMPONENT OF THE MIXED USE CATEGORY. THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND TENT FOR THE MIXED USE WITHIN THE AREA IS TO HAVE EMPLOYMENT CENTER USES. BUT ALLOW FOR INCORPORATION OF RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL USES, IF APPROPRIATE. THE PROPOSED USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE TEXT MEETS STANDARDS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH PORTIONS OF THE BUSINESS PARK. WITH THAT STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, JAMES ENGINEERING ON THIS. NO ENGINEERING COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE UP AGAIN? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE . ERIN UNDERHILL WITH UNDERHILL AND HATCHET 8000 WALTON PARKWAY HERE IN THE WAGON E. HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TOM RUBIES WITH ME AS WELL AS USUAL CAST AND CREW HERE, UM, NOT MUCH TO SAY HERE ON THIS OTHER THAN YOU KNOW, WE ARE COGNIZANT OF WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF HAVING SOME ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. UM WE HAVE HAD THIS SITUATION IN MANY PARTS OF THE BUSINESS PARK OVER THE YEARS AND WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS SOLUTION HAS BEEN APPLIED TIME AND AGAIN WHERE WE PROVIDE A 6 FT MINIMUM MOUND AND THEN PLANTINGS ON TOP TO GET TO AN OPACITY OF 75% WITHIN FIVE YEARS AFTER PLANTING AT 10 FT TALL, TOTAL UM SO WE CAN. WE'RE CONTINUING THAT COMMITMENT HERE . UM, WE WERE COGNIZANT TO OF NOT HAVING ACCESS FOR FUTURE EMPLOYEES OR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FROM THAT ROAD, SO WE'VE LIMITED THAT TO EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY AGAIN PARKWAY, WHICH WILL BE EXTENDED WESTWARD. WILL BE THE POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS . AND THAT'S REALLY WHY THIS HAS A KIND OF A FUNNY SHAPE. BUT THIS ZONING IS SO WE COULD PROVIDE THE ACCESS DEDICATED TO THIS SITE THROUGH THAT LITTLE NECK THERE. UM LIKE A LOT OF THAT IS ALREADY ZONED IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION. BUT WE 
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THOUGHT IT BEST TO SORT OF MAKE A COMMITMENT IN THIS TEXT. THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR ACCESS. UM CHELSEA MENTIONED 65 FT BUILDING HEIGHT LIMIT. WE DON'T SEE A NEED TO EXCEED THAT HERE. YOU KNOW. THE GOOGLE SITE , FOR INSTANCE, HAS SOME PROVISIONS WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM UH, TALLER HEIGHTS DOWN THERE. IF WE WERE TO COME BACK TO YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. 
          HERE. WE THINK 65 FT WILL BE APPROPRIATE. SO WITH THAT HAVE AN ANSWER AND INTER QUESTIONS. 
          QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE MOUND GETS PUT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE AMOUNT ON BENEFITS. WE WOULD HAVE A MOUND ALONG BABBITT BECAUSE THE INTERVENING RIGHT AWAY WOULD BE IGNORED IN TERMS OF CONSIDERING WHETHER WE'RE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL SO THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ADJACENCY, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE MOUNTIES. ALONG THE STREET, AND YOU'VE GOT 100 FT MINIMUM SETBACK FROM FENCING. PAVEMENT THE BUILDINGS ARE EVEN FARTHER AWAY. 200 RIGHT BUILDINGS. IS THERE ANY REASON TO STOP YOU FROM PUTTING THE MOUNTAIN 100 FT. BACK? AND IN THE IN THE HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS RIGHT NEXT TO THE STREET. IT WILL LOOK LIKE A WALL JUST VERY GENTLY SLOPING WALL. BUT IT BUT YOU'VE GOT 100 FT TO PLAY WITH. AND IF YOU SAY 50 OF IT TO HAVE SORT OF THE NATURAL TREELINE, ANOTHER PART THERE THAN THAN THE MOUND LOOKS MORE LIKE A HILL IN THE DISTANCE THAT IT DOES AMOUNT ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. UM A COUPLE OF COMMENTS RELATED THAT ONE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH THERE IS ON BABBITT ROAD. THERE IS FRONTAGE FOR UM GOOGLE, WHERE THERE IS A VERY SIMILAR CONDITION WITH THEY'RE THERE. STREET TREES AND THERE'S A. SHORTER HORSE BONDS AND SET BACK AS WELL AS MOUNTING. OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO MATCH THAT, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE THROUGH HERE. SO THE ULTIMATE LOCATION THAT MOUNTING GREAT SUGGESTION I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING IN MIND. THE PROFILE OF THE ROAD THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THEIR SOUTH, CONTINUING IT. HERE WHEREVER THAT MOUNTING MAY OCCUR, ALSO, IN LIGHT OF WHAT TREES MAY EXIST THROUGH THERE THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE SO WE COULD STRUCTURE SOME TYPE OF CONDITION THAT ALLOWS US TO WORK WITH STAFF. TO LOCATE THE MOUNTING APPROPRIATELY COULDN'T HEAR. 
          PARDON COULD MEANDER A BIT. YOU COULD START OUT NEXT TO GOOGLE JOINED UP WITH THE OTHER ONE AND SORT OF WANDER BACK A LITTLE BIT AND THEN ALWAYS LOOKS VERY NATURAL AND NOT PART ABOUT IT RODE A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO ADD TO WHAT THEY ARE IN MENTIONED THE PECULIAR SHAPE OF THIS OF THIS APPLICATION. IMPORTANT TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT TO THE EAST WITHIN THE PURPLE AREA CLOSER UP TO GAIN PART WAYS A LARGE PRESERVATION ZONE. TREES AND WETLANDS AND THERE'S WATER IN THERE THAT IS THE EASTERN EDGE. THAT IS WHY THAT CONFIGURATION IS THE WAY IT IS. FURTHER TO THE NORTH INTO THE TO THE WEST FRONTING ON GAME FOR QUAY. THAT'S A PARCEL THAT WERE ALSO ACTIVELY MARKETING AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU SOON WITH SOME INFORMATION ON THAT PIECE. IMPORTANT ALSO TO REMEMBER THAT ALL OF THIS IS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE HAVE THE COUNTY LINE ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY. THIS IS REALLY SEEN AS IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE NEW ORLEANS STRATEGIC PLAN AS PRIME DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO BENEFIT NORMALLY SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON BOTH HERE INTO THE SO CONDITIONS THE MOUNTAIN LOCATION IS NOT FIXED TO THE BABBITT ROAD RIGHT AWAY WOULD BE AGREEABLE. IS LONG AS WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AGAIN WITH THOSE PARAMETERS I SAID YES, YES, YES. THANK YOU FOR THE NO ACCESS ON BAD, BUT I'M SURE THAT HELPS A LOT OF PEOPLE. IN THE AUDIENCE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. HERE. WHAT'S YOUR VISION? DO YOU DO YOU SEE? BUNCH OF MULTIPLE USERS OR POTENTIALLY ONE LARGE USER. I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHETHER IT WILL BE A SINGLE USER. I DON'T KNOW, BUT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. I'M SURE I THINK THIS IS TOO BIG OF A SITE TO NOT HAVE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS IF NOT THREE. COULD POTENTIALLY BE A BUSINESS CAMPUS OF SOME SORT, SURE, OUR OBJECTIVE IS FOR THIS TO BE ONE USER IN MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THAT THAT'S THE GOAL, OKAY? THANK YOU. HE SAID. THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS FROM BADLY WOULD THERE BE AN ENTRY? THERE HAVE SOME TYPE OF NO ENTRY, NO ENTRY OTHER THAN FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, SO OBVIOUSLY THE POLICE POLICE ENVIRONMENT ABLE TO GET IN THAT WAY THEY NEEDED TO. BUT OTHER THAN THAT CONSTRUCTION ACCESS OR REGULAR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC FOR BUSINESS. 
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WE HAD A SIMILAR ARRANGEMENT FOR A AND F TWO CENTRAL COLLEGE AND THAT'S APPEARS TO BE RELAXED. 
          SHALL WE SAY, UM IS THERE A WAY TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING HERE? I DON'T KNOW THAT SO A AND F WAS 25 YEARS AGO. UH AT THE TIME AH, THE ACCESS TO CENTRAL COLLEGES OF ONE ON THE COUCH CENTRAL COLLEGE. AH WAS RESTRICTED. THERE WERE A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS DEALING WITH TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THE HOURS OF OPERATION WHY THAT AMENDED AND WAS MODIFIED THAT THROUGH THROUGH THE THROUGH THE YEARS. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WILL PERTINENT FOR THIS SITE TO WHAT HAPPENED ON ON THE MEAN PITCH CAMPUS. THANK YOU. YES. 
          SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER OF IT. YES. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF . CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE TIMING IS FOR THE AGAIN PARKWAY EXTENSION FOR THE ROAD. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY BEING ANALYZED FOR PRELIMINARY ALIGNMENT. UM, SORT OF A WRAPPED UP A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO WE SHOULD SEE A PLAT IN A MEETING OR TWO. I THINK IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT. BUT THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM IN HERE. IT'S AT THAT. THE THIS WAS APPROVED. BY THE BLACK BOOK WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED WAS 100. WHAT WAS THE VOTING ON? THAT? WAS IT. YES, IT WAS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER, ONE SPEAKER CARD AHEAD. UM TOM. HOPEFULLY I PRONOUNCE THIS RIGHT RIB SKI. YEAH YOU WOULD COME TO THE MIC AND YOU. MADE 20% OF THE VARIETY. GOOD. HELLO MY NAME IS TOM RIP. SEE, I LIVE AT 59 20 BABBA ROAD. IT'S THE ON THE EAST SIDE OF BABBITT, SECOND IN THIRD PARCEL TOWN, THE WHITE ONES, OKAY? UM I AM A LONGTIME PRESIDENT. PLAIN TOWNSHIP IS SEVEN YEARS OR 37 YEARS. UM I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UNFAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU GUYS DO HAVE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PLAIN TOWNSHIP WAS ON THE ROCKY FORD BLACK RECORD FOR A WHILE AND ALSO A EXCUSE ME. PLAYING TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE. FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, SO I'VE SEEN THE COMMUNITY GROW AND SENIOR DEVELOPMENT AND ENDORSE THE. ONE THE CONCEPT OF DEVELOPMENT DONE WELL IS GOOD. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. I COME IN. WITH THE NEW ARMANI COMPANY. 
          PROPOSAL. I HAD A FEW COMMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF AND IN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, JUST GET SOME CLARITY ON IS WILL DO ONE AT A TIME FOR THE QUESTIONS . WE WILL ANSWER THIS WEEKEND OR DIRECT THEM TO WHOEVER IS SUPPOSED TO WILL KEEP IT SHORT. 
          UM. YOU KNOW, BARBARO QUARTERS RURAL CORRIDOR FOR YOU KNOW, FOR SINCE ITS EXISTENCE AND THOSE OF US RESIDENTS ON THE MEMBER O WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN SOME RURAL CHARACTER. SO, YOU KNOW, UM. GREEN SPACES IS CRITICAL. UM WE, UH. HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PRESERVE THE GREEN SPACE AND WITH THE SETBACKS A LOT OF THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED. UM. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOMEWHERE CLOSE OUT THEIR STREAM CORRIDORS AND THE TREES AND AS MUCH OF THAT IT CAN BE MAINTAINED WOULD BE GREAT. ONE THING THAT. IN THE ZONING TEXT THAT I HAVE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL ADDRESS OF HIS THE LIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE UP AND DOWN PEACH OR A ROAD IN THE EVENINGS IN THE LIGHT THAT IS, COMES OFF GOOGLE FACEBOOK. I MEAN, IT'S SIGNIFICANT NOW. I DID READ AND I DO SEE THAT YOU HAVE TYPICAL STANDARDS IN THERE FOR DOWN LIGHTING AND THAT IS APPROPRIATE. I WOULD ASK THEM THAT I THINK A LOT OF THE LINING COMES OFF OF WALL PACKS ON THE BUILDING. AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THOSE COULD BE LTD. AS WELL AS 
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THE CHANGE OF LIFE TYPE, SOFTER COLORS. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN ABOUT A ROAD AND LOOKED OVER AT GOOGLE TO THE TO THE EASTERN EVENING? IT'S JUST, UH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST. THE MAGNITUDE OF THE LIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE RURAL CHARACTER, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM. CERTAINLY HAD ALSO TO THE SCREENING. ALTHOUGH IT ISN'T ADJACENT TO ME. I SCRATCHED MY HEAD AND WATER. WHY THE SCREENING? NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFY PERCENT OF PASSAGE IN FIVE YEARS. WHEN IN FACT THE IMPACT. WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD? BE IMMEDIATE. BUT YET THE CAPACITY IS FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. TO MEET, SO I WOULD I KIND OF SCRAMBLING OUT WHY THAT IS THAT WAY. I CAN ANSWER THAT PART LIGHT, OKAY? IF YOU WANT 100% OR IF YOU WANT SCREENING ON DAY, ONE, TRICKED INTO PUTTING IN GOD'S OWN NUMBER OF ARBOR VITAE OR EQUIVALENT PINES. LOW TO THE GROUND, AND YOU ONLY HAVE ONE SOLUTION BECAUSE IF YOU GIVE IT IF YOU GIVE IT TIME, THEN BOTH THE UNDERSTORY AND THE DECIDUOUS TREES, PARTICULARLY IF YOU DON'T TRIM THEM UP BEACHES, FOR EXAMPLE, KEEP THEIR LEAVES OR KEEP THEIR LIMBS DOWN LOW. UM, THEY NEED TIME TO ESTABLISH. AND THAT'S WHAT THE FIVE YEARS IS FOR US TO GIVE THE OTHER STUFF. TIME TO ESTABLISH DEVELOPMENT COMES IN. AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT NEIGHBOR FOR FIVE YEARS. PRETTY MUCH. GOOD JUST BEING THAT, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH SCREENING IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF YOU KNOW, PROVIDING A BUFFER WITH THE NEIGHBOR. UM THE MOUND IS 100, OF COURSE AND YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT THE 10% 73% OF TENNESSEE. IT'S DEFINITELY HAD ANYTHING TO THAT. SO YES, THE IF THEY DO THE MOUNTING AND DO THE PLANTAINS, THE MOUNDING LIKE YOU SAID. WOULD BE PRESENT AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING WOULD TAKE THE FIVE YEARS. OKAY? JUST A CONCERN, TRYING TO RATIONALIZE HOW THAT WORKS. UM. I SEE HERE THEN, UH, THE. DR COMING OFF AGAIN, PARKWAY. TRAFFIC ON BABAR ROAD WILL KEEP THE ROLE CHARACTER CHARACTER. UM, MY QUESTION TO ARE YOU IS. THE ORIENTATION OF AGAIN PARKWAY EXTENSION. AND SHOWN ON THIS. 
          JORDAN. IS THAT THE CURRENT CONCEPT? NO, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THE CURRENT CONCEPT JUST YET. 
          IT'S STILL BEING ANALYZED. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN RELATION TO GANDHI PARKWAY EXTENSION IS JUST GOING TO BE, UM, JUST THE DEPICTION. SO WHAT WORDS SEEING THERE REALLY IS NOT WHAT'S GOING TO POSSIBLY NOT. WE DON'T KNOW JUST YET. IT'S STILL BEING ANALYZED. I DID SEE WHERE RIGHT AWAY. IN FRONT OF THEIR IT'S BEING AN EXCELLENT RESULT WAS GOING TO BE 64 IN TOTAL, WITH 3 FT FROM THE CENTRAL LINE. WHICH IS GREAT THAT KEEPS A THEY RURAL CHARACTER, ONE LANE OF THE ROAD. ALTHOUGH THERE IS A SECTION IN, UH. PAGE SIX ITEM SEE WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT IN THE CITIES THAT IT MAY CHANGE AND SO 11 PLACE THAT SAYS 30 FT. PLEASE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, GOOD CHANGE. JUST IF WE COULD GET SOME CLARITY HERE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH, UM. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN ASK FOR, BUT NOT DEMAND. I'M NOT MAKING ANY. NO SOME STUFF IS CODE AND JUST OUTRIGHT DEMANDED. OKAY, THINGS LIKE GO GET YOUR WELL TESTED. I SAY THIS TO ALL THE ALL OF US ON A WELL MYSELF INCLUDED. GO GET YOUR WELL TESTED BEFORE THEY START MOVING DIRT AND HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER WITH A NUMBER ON IT, SO THAT IF YOU'RE WELL GOES DRY THEY'RE ON THE HOOK FOR IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. OKAY ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN OFFER IS PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE WHO BACK TO THIS, AND PARTICULARLY THAT THE PART THAT GOES UP TOGETHER AND AS YOU CAN ASK, BUT NOT DEMAND THAT THEY PUT SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING ON YOUR PROPERTY WITH YOUR PERMISSION AS A WAY OF GETTING A BETTER BUFFER AND GETTING HAPPIER NEIGHBORS. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE AFGHAN AT 
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ALL. IN OTHER CASES WHERE WE'VE HAD PLACES LIKE A T INTERSECTION AND SOMETHING AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT THE SCREENING AND THE HELP AGAINST THAT? CAN WE PUT IT ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY ARE SAID SURE AND PROBLEM SOLVED AND GET THAT GUY'S CARD AND OKAY, ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THEN I DID SEE AND I JUST WANT TO ASK. I DID SEE WHERE THERE IT SAYS. Q. T S RESULTING AND IS Q. T S IS GROUP THAT'S GONNA CARD THE PROPERTY. 
          THEY ALL DATA CENTER. COMPANY THAT STATES AND WAS JUST. CURIOUS WHAT BEAUTY UPS, RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. AH! SO IN CONCLUSION LEADS SOME QUESTIONS . CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, I, UH NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. YOU KNOW IT. MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THERE ARE ISSUES HERE. GIVEN SUCH A LARGE NIGHT INTO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE ISSUES HERE THAT COULD BE MASSAGED. MAYBE A P D REZONING WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THERE ISN'T HAVE UM, BUT, UM. DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE. IT'S BEEN DONE RIGHT AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE HAS BETTER ROAD TOWARDS THAT. TOWARDS THAT END, THE LIMITATION TEXT GIVES YOU A YOUR APPROXIMATION OF P U. D IF THAT HELPS, AND THIS HAS A TRIP TO COUNSEL BEFORE IT'S REAL . AND IF THERE ARE CORRECTIONS, YOU'D LIKE, MAKE TO THE TEXT THAT DON'T HAPPEN TONIGHT. ARE YOU GET ANOTHER SHOT AT ASKING COUNCIL TO MAKE THEM TOMORROW NIGHT? WELL UM, THOSE ARE JUST SOME PLANTS AND I HAD AND I THINK THAT IT'S NOT ASKING TOO MUCH, AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH MAINTAIN THE FLAVOR OF THE CHARACTER OF THE BARBARO CORRIDOR IN THE CITY. 
          THE BREAKDOWN. THANK YOU. TRIED TO ADDRESS EACH OF THESE ONE BY ONE, THE FIRST ONE RELATED UP LIGHTING. WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE IN THE TEXT THAT COMMITS TO WALL TAX ALSO BEING 100% CUT OFF LIGHT FIXTURES AND THAT THE NUMBER IN THE SPACING OF THOSE BE MINIMIZED THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. UM REGARDING SCREENING IN THE 75% OF CANCER REQUIREMENT. UM. I THINK I RATHER NOT DO PLANTING. THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTIES SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH OF THIS ALONG BABBITT ROAD OR PREFERENCE IS ALWAYS TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT ON OUR LAND, NOT ON A NEIGHBOR'S WING. NEWS CORRECT. WE'VE DONE THAT IN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN THERE IS NO GROUND, AND THERE'S NO WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT. WHAT WE'LL DO THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, WORK WITH THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO COME UP WITH A PLANTING PLAN THAT PERHAPS ACHIEVES OF MIXTURE OF PLANTING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND PERHAPS WE CAN DO SOMETHING MORE INTENSE ALONG THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LYING PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT FOLKS CAN RESPOND TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. I MEAN, I SUSPECT I WILL. I STILL HAVE A FRESHMAN. AND THE LAST ITEM. UM Q. T S. AH THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN WE CAN ANNOUNCE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS ONE OF MULTIPLE FOLKS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH. THAT WAS OUR ERROR WITH THAT DISTRIBUTION UPON SO I CAN'T MAKE ANY COMMITMENTS AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. BUT NO COMMITMENTS. AT THE MOMENT OF WHO WHO WAS WE'RE WORKING WITH. THERE ARE MULTIPLE FOLKS. THAT, YOU KNOW. WELL I GOT YOU THERE. TOM ON ROMAN SEVEN D LANDSCAPE FLOODING FROM CAN WE JUST GET RID OF UPLOADING FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY. I CAN'T DO THAT, UM LOOK, WE KNOW. 
          PARKING LOT LIGHT FIXTURES. NO THEY'RE DOWN CASTING. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THOSE GO AHEAD PARKING LOT LIGHT FIXTURES. WALL PACKS WE CAN COMMIT TO ALL OF THOSE BEING CUT OFF LIGHT FIXTURES. WE CAN, UM SAY THINGS LIKE NOAH UP LIGHTING OF BUILDINGS. OKAY TO DO THAT. BOTH AGAIN. ACCESS TO THIS SITE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PARTICULARLY TRICKY. AND I DON'T WANT. TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING NOW THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT. SAFETY AND SECOND CIRCULATION. 
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BUT TO ELIMINATE ANY UP LIGHTING OF BUILDINGS HAPPY TO COMMIT TO THAT. UM AND IT'S CODE. I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALWAYS A LIGHT PLAN IT WITH NO SPILL AND SO MANY FOOT CANDLES, MINIMUM OR CUT OFF. YEAH. OKAY SO FOR THE RESIDENTS, THERE IS ACTUAL THINGS WITH NUMBERS AND YOU COULD MEASURE UM YOU GO OUT WITH A PROPERLY CALIBRATED LIGHT METER, AND IF THEY'RE SHINING LIGHT ON YOUR PROPERTY ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL, YOU CAN SAY STOP AND THEY WILL STOP. ON I HAPPEN TO LIVE REAL CLOSE TO SOME STREET LIGHTS AND THE VILLAGE WHEN THEY PUT IN THE STREET LIGHTS SHIELDED THEM FROM OUR BEDROOM WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY WERE RIGHT EXACTLY. LINED UP WITH OUR BEDROOM WINDOWS AND WE WERE THERE FIRST, UM SETTLED. THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN AND PART OF THE DETAILS OF THINGS THAT CAN BE FIXED IF THEY'RE NOT GOTTEN CORRECT THE FIRST TIME. 
          TO THE MIC. SORRY, KID. ONE OF THEM WAS. IS THAT CORRECT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND? THAT THE RIGHT AWAY FROM BATAM ROAD WILL BE SUCH AN ISSUE. PERFECT. THANKS. YES AND TIME. I THINK THE REFERENCE MAY HAVE BEEN THIS AND UTILITY EASEMENTS. THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THE CONFLICT FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE. BUT I GUESS THAT WAS INTENDED TO SAY THAT THE RIGHT AWAY WILL BE 60 FT TOTAL, BUT IF MORE ROOM IS NEEDED FOR UTILITY INSTALLATION OUTSIDE OF THAT THERE WON'T BE A RED YEAH. WOULD YOU SAY, TOM? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PAST SERVICE IN ALBANY IN PLAIN TOWNSHIP. WERE THEY UNDER SPEAKER CARDS? THERE ARE NONE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THINK THAT THE ANNEXATION FOR THOSE FOUR PROPERTIES IS BEING HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW NIGHT. UH SHOULD YOU APPROVED THE REZONING THAT WON'T BE HEARD BY COUNSEL UNTIL I THINK AUGUST 1ST. YEAH I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE. OKAY? COME TO THE MIC IN YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. UM RONALD FARBER. 55 96 BATTERY. RUDE UM, I AM IN THE PROPERTY. UM, JUST TO THE SOUTH. AND MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE PEDESTRIAN. CIRCULATION ON PAGE SEVEN. UM, IF THEY COULD MAYBE POINT OUT THE INTENT OF THE ASPHALT. LEAVE YOUR TRAIL ALONG THAT ROUTE FRONTAGE. AH THIS IS THE INTENT JUST TO PUT A SECTION IN AND IF THEY CAN MAYBE POINT THAT ON THE MAP, I APPRECIATE IT. THE 8 FT TRAIL IS REQUIREMENT BY THIS CITY, AND TYPICALLY, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE, UM THE DEVELOPMENT PUTS THAT IN THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. SO IT WILL BE ALONG THE FRONTAGE ON BABBITT WORK. CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS, BUT NOT UM, PAST THOSE POINTS TO THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. SO JUST THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NOWHERE. LOOK LOOK LOOK LIKE THE TRAIL TO NOWHERE, BUT OUR EXPERIENCE OVER THE DECADES HAS BEEN THAT THOSE EVENTUALLY BECOME THE TRAIL TO EVERYWHERE. BROWNSBURG NEW ALBANY HAD, LIKE 12 OR SOME DIFFERENT LITTLE SECTIONS OF TRAIL, AND NOW YOU CAN GET ALMOST TWO MORSE ROAD. SO BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS AND THE VILLAGE GETTING GRANTS. UM, THOSE GET PUT IN, AND EVENTUALLY THEY GET CONNECTED. OKAY? AND THEN SECONDLY, IN REGARDS TO WATER AND SEWER, THEN WILL THE SITE BE SERVED BY PUBLIC UTILITIES. YES. UM FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT ANNEXING INTO THE VILLAGE TO GET THOSE FACILITIES UM, IF THEIR PIPES GET WITHIN IF THERE'S SEWER PIPE GETS WITHIN 200 FT OF YOUR FOUNDATION YOU CAN ASK THEM TO TAKE IT TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO RUN SANITARY. HERE I JUST DON'T KNOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THE TOWNSHIPS, SO THAT'S UP. DO YOU DO? WE HAVE A BALLPARK IDEA OR SANITARY IS GOING. ACTUALLY, I'M LOOKING INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. UM HE NEEDS FOR THIS SITE OR THIS SIDE. NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. GOOD. BUT THAT'S AN EVENTUAL AND YOU CAN INQUIRE WITH THE VILLAGE, PARTICULARLY AS TIME GOES BY, AND THEY START TO DEVELOP THIS, THEN PIPES HAVE TO GO IN THE GROUND. AND THAT SAYS HOW FAR AND WHERE WILL BE ACCESSIBLE. IF YOU ASKED YOUR PROPERTY IN, OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHERS. OKAY? SO FAR, I'VE GOT TWO CONDITIONS. UM MOM LOCATION IS NOT FIXED NEXT TO 
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THE BABBITT ROAD RIGHT AWAY, AND ITS FINAL LOCATION IS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. GIVEN THAT WE'VE GOT TREE PRESERVATION IN SUCH TO DEAL WITH IN THE SECOND ONE IS NO UPLOADING ON BUILDINGS. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHERS? THIRD ONE UP, AH, THAT WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND JASON PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME UP WITH. ALTERNATIVELY ESCAPED PLAYING HIMSELF PROPERLY. OKAY? AT SOME POINT YES. POST SCRIPT. SO. YEAH THAT SOUNDS THINK SO. SO TOM, THIS IS THE SIGHTS SOUTH BOUNDARY LINE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE OR BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH. THE SOUTHERN YELLOW IS THERE IT'S BEEN REZONED. WHEN I HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS THEY WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY. YOUR SOMETHING INCREDIBLE. THE PEOPLE THAT NORTH OF YOU HERE PARDON WAS JUST ASKING THE AUDIENCE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED NORTH OF VIEWER PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE. AND WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THAT SAME TO THEM IF THEY WISHED IT. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM. STAY ON THE NORTH END. IS THAT A YES, TOM? OKAY I WASN'T SURE YOUR GESTURE WAS MORE THAN CLEAR. WHY DON'T WE JUST DON'T WE JUST COMMIT THAT YOU REQUESTED YOUR WORK WITH THEM NORTH AND SOUTH. ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME GET TO THE AGENDA. I MOVE THAT WE HAVE A QUOTE. I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. SO AARON. YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THE SORT OF THE TOOTHBRUSH PIECE. FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERMINOLOGY IS ACTUALLY JUST FOR THE ROADWAY. RIGHT? HOW WAS THE IF ANY? HOW IS SCREENING TO BE DONE FOR THE ROAD, IF ANY. UM, AS IT GOES DOWN THROUGH THERE. THERE IS CLEARLY NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE SETBACKS FOR THE BUILDING. THERE WILL BE A BUILDINGS THERE. SO THE BUILDING SETBACK STORM? ABSOLUTELY RIGHT . I DON'T THINK THEY INTENDED TO SAY OR IMPLY THAT THERE WASN'T ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE A PRIVATE DRIVES GOING UP TO GET AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK IT'LL BE DEPENDENT ON THE USE OF HUMANITY, TRAFFIC, ETCETERA. SO IN THE PURPLE AREA, YOU YOUR ZONED NEXT TO SOMETHING SIMILAR AND DIFFERENT SET OF ON THE CORN, BUT. DUE WEST OF THE UPWARD GOING PANHANDLE. YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW OR ACTUALLY, BUT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL YEARS, RIGHT? I'M SORRY. THAT'S IN THE TOWNSHIPS. PRIDE. IT'S EITHER AGRA RURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE OF THE TWO, RIGHT DOES YOUR THE BELIEVE THE MOUNTING REQUIREMENT IS RELATED? THE RIGHT OF WAY BUILDINGS. THEIR POINT. WE HAVEN'T IMPROVED FOR MOUNTING ON THAT STRETCH. YEAH. THE VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THIS SITE WILL BE THE LENGTH OF THAT. I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY BUILDINGS. THERE ARE NO CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING ACCESS DRIVES. AS AARON MENTIONED, I'M CERTAIN THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING. WE CAN ALSO COMMIT TO NOT UP LIGHTING AND IF THEY WERE TREES IN THERE PERHAPS THE INTERSECTION BUT CERTAINLY NOT UP LIGHTING LANDSCAPING ALONG THE NECK OF THE ACCESS ROAD, BUT THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING AND CERTAINLY WHAT WILL BE ADDRESSING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, BOTH TO THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH. WILL BE RELATED TO A SITE PLAN. WHEN WE HAVE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AND. BUILDING HEIGHT, SOMETHING TO MORE CONCRETE TO RESPOND TO THAT WILL NOT OCCUR. WITHIN THIS NOW. AND AS THIS IS, THIS IS. THAT MEANS YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, I JUST IT IS IN THE WINTER. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HEADLIGHTS GOING UP AND DOWN THAT LANE IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS . AND SINCE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, THERE'S NO SCREENING REQUIRED THE SAME RATE. CORRECT I MEAN, THAT'S THE CONSERVATIVES. WHAT CAN WE SO THE SITE PLAN WILL ADDRESS SCREENING ON YOUR ACCESS DRIVE. LOOK. IF THERE'S A WAY TO ALIGN THAT ACCESS DRIVE IN A WAY THAT MINIMIZES OR ELIMINATES LIGHTS SHINING INTO THE REAR YARDS OF 
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THOSE PROPERTIES, WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT, OKAY? WHETHER THAT IS LANDSCAPING ROAD, ALIGNING THROUGH WHAT WHATEVER IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE. SENSITIVE. GET NEWS IS A LITTLE MORE WRITTEN DOWN THERE AS WE COME SOUTHWARD, IT GETS WIDER. SO MAYBE RIGHT, AND THAT'S THE MORE IMPORTANT PART BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY THE PURPLE CARD UP NORTH OF THAT, AND THAT'S PRESUMABLY PROPERTY CONTROL CLIENTS CONTROLS. ALRIGHT, SO THE COMMITMENT IS TO HEADLIGHTS UNDER THE ACCESS DRIVE WILL BE ADDRESSED. I WROTE POSITION ACCESS DRIVE TO MINIMIZE HEADLIGHTS. HEADLIGHT. 
          ADVERB IS YEAH. SPILLOVER. SPILLOVER IS GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO NOW WE ARE JUST POOR CONDITIONS. ALRIGHT SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU INTO MY MIND WHEN THE SPEAKER. SEE HIM MOVING WITH THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER YES, DOWN AND NAME AND ADDRESS. YES UM I'M JULIAN. HELLO I OWN THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE PANHANDLE THERE, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT. YOU KNOW WHEN THEY DID THE COUNTRY CLUB, THERE WERE QUITE A LOT OF RETENTION LAGOONS PONDS, AND THEY HELPED HOLD THE STORMWATER BACK EVEN AT THAT. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE STREAM LEVEL OF WATER IS UNBELIEVABLE. 
          IT'S NOTHING TO SEE THAT WATER 30 FT ACROSS AND JUST TEARING DOWN THROUGH THERE. UM THEY HAVE A SERIES OF LAGOONS THAT HAVE HELPED MITIGATE SOME OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF JUST IF THEY WILL INTEND TO KEEP THOSE GOING, UM OR BUT UM, A LOT OF STORE WATER. AH, IT'S. MANAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED. THERE ARE TWO VERY GOOD SIZE STREAMS THAT NORMALLY LOOK LIKE LIGHT SIX SPEED ACROSS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE 40 FT ACROSS. A LOT OF WATER IN THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE WHO'S DOWNSTREAM. THERE GOT CLUB EVERYONE ELSE. UM TOWARDS THAT END, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU RECORD THE VARIOUS CONDITIONS. MAYBE A LITTLE LATE NOW BECAUSE WE'RE DONE WITH THE SPRING RAINS, BUT UM BY LAW, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THEY GIVE TO YOU THAN WHAT IT ALREADY WAS. FOR BETTER OR WORSE, SO ALL THE WATER YOU'VE BEEN GETTING IN THE PAST . THEY'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO STILL KEEP GIVING YOU BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE'RE TAKING YOUR WATER MIGHT NOT WANT TO HAVE ALL THAT FLOODWATER. UNBELIEVABLE AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION IS THAT THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT THE RUNOFF AND MANAGEMENT OF IT IS CONSIDERED. 
          I MEAN, THEY WERE CREATED. THEY CAN BE RECHANNELED. BUT IT IS. IT IS A CONCERN. YEAH, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE DRAINAGE. YEAH PROBABLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW. UM PERHAPS CHANGE. UM . THE BRIDGES ON BABBITT, YOU KNOW, UM DEPENDING UPON WHAT THEY HOW MUCH OF THE STORM WATER RUNOFF. THEY'RE GOING TO WITHIN THEIR OWN SITE. THAT RESTRICTION SAYS THAT AS THEY PAID THINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE STORMWATER RETENTION RIGHT SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE CONTROLLED RELEASES AT AN APPROPRIATE RATE, AND THE VILLAGE ENGINEERING STAFF WILL BE ON THAT. THAT'S A LOT, OF COURSE, WANTED TO HAVE ALL THOSE LOOKING ONES. I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU KNOW. THAT'S GOOD FOR GENERAL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT , BUT IT JUST IT IS A CONDITION THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          YEAH I DON'T ARE YOU ALLOWED TO CHANGE YOUR NEIGHBORS? DRAINAGE? YOUR NEIGHBORS PERMISSION THIS IS WHAT I WANT THIS MAYBE FOR LEGAL STAFF. I DON'T. YOUR MAKES NOT LECTURE. AH I DON'T KNOW. 
          OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'M SORRY. STORMWATER AGREEMENTS RUN WILD SOMETIMES. SO THAT'S WHEN I DON'T KNOW. MY MINE IS LIMITED TO. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT I ADVISED CODE SAYS YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR NEIGHBORS DRAINAGE. THEN IT STOPS. THANK YOU. SO I MOVED TO ACCEPT THIS STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD FOR ZONING CHANGE. 58 2023 HERE A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. I'LL SECOND IT. DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS. CAN YOU PLEASE, MR KIRBY? MR. BARSON MR. SCHELL, MISS BRIGGS. MR WALLACE? YES? I HAVE FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. DO YOUR MOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE ITSELF. TO MAKE THE MOTION. PARDON? MAKE THE 
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MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATIONS D. C. 58 2023 BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT. IN SUBJECT TO THE FOUR CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, PLUS BEFORE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING, INCLUDING IN ADDITION, FIVE. THE POSITION OF THE MOUND IS NOT FIXED AND CAN BE VARIABLE AND SUBJECT TO STAFF. WE DON'T CARE FOR CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE BASIS OF THE FOUR ITEMS ON THE BASIS OF APPROVAL. YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. I BEG YOUR PARDON, SO IT'S BEFORE CONDITIONS YOU'RE ABOUT TO NAME SORRY ABOUT THAT I WAS READING MISREADING THE PAGE. SO LET ME UM REVISED MY MOTION TO. TO BE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATIONS EASY. 58 2023, BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF, IMPORTANT SUBJECT TO FOUR CONDITIONS. THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING CONDITION ONE BEING THAT THE POSITION AMOUNT IS NOT FIXED AND CAN BE VARIABLE. AND ITS LOCATION. WE SUBJECT STAFF APPROVAL. 
          CONDITION TO THE. THE LIGHTING. THERE WILL BE NO UP LIGHTING ON THE WALL ALREADY BUILDINGS. 
          CONDITIONS. SEVEN. THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. WITH REGARD TO THE LANDSCAPING SOUND ON THE SOUTH AND NORTH. PROPERTY. ORDERS. CONDITION A. THE POSITION OF THE ACCESS DRIVE WILL BE DONE IN A WAY TO MINIMIZE HEADLIGHT SPILLOVER. 
          THEY MIGHT KNOW THAT SEVEN AND EIGHT BECOME THREE AND FOUR. SORRY READING MY NOTES WRONG. I WILL. SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. LET ME ASK THAT. ARE THOSE CONDITIONS. 
          CLEAR? CLEAR. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YES ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. CAN YOU HEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR WALLACE. WAS THERE A SECOND? YES. MR KIRBY. MS BRIGGS. YES MR LARSON? YES, MR SHELL. I HAVE FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS. GOOD LUCK. 
          THANKS MR ZONING CHANGE 60 TO 2023 CAN HEAR FROM STAFF. THANK YOU. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A REZONING OF 11.4 ACRES. THE OVERALL SITE CONSISTS OF THREE PARCELS AND IS LOCATED WITHIN LICKING COUNTY. THE SITE IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF BEACH ROAD AND GAN PARKWAY, THE NEIGHBORING USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS INCLUDE LG. THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THE TINY RED STAR ON THE SCREEN DEPICTS THE GENERAL AREA ON THE SONY MAP. B REQUEST PROPOSES TO CREATE A NEW AND PHIL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AREA KNOWN AS GLANTON BEACH, NORTH WEST ZONING DISTRICT. THIS DON'T EVEN DISTRICT WOULD FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF SERVICE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS. UM. TO SERVE THE EMPLOYEES WITHIN AND VISITORS TO THE NEW ALBANY INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, AS WELL AS OTHERS TRAVELING ALONG STATE ROUTE 1 61. BEING PROPOSED ZONING TEXT CONTAINS THE SAME LIST OF PERMITTED CONDITIONAL AND PROHIBITED USES AS OTHER SIMILAR ZONING DISTRICTS SUCH AS BEACH CROSSING, SONY IN DISTRICT , WHICH IS LOCATED GENERALLY TO THE NORTH OF THIS STATE AND IS OWNED BY THE U. D. PERMITTED USES INCLUDE A MIXTURE OF ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES RETAIL STORES AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES . IN ADDITION, GASOLINE AND DIESEL, FUELING STATIONS WITH CONVENIENCE STORES AND OTHER ACCESSORY USES. VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS AND RESTAURANTS OR BANKS WITH DR GROUPS. THIS VOTING SERVES TO EXTEND THE SAME OR SIMILAR ZONING STANDARDS TO THIS PROPERTY AS CURRENTLY APPLIES TO THE BEACH CROSSING ZONING DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ARE CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING I P U D DISTRICTS THAT PERMIT RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SUCH AS THE BEACH ROAD CROSSING AGAIN. UH INCLUDING SCREENING FOR SIGHT AND SOUND OF ROOFTOP MECHANICAL 
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EQUIPMENT. DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THIS STATE TO STATE ROUTE 61 INTERCHANGE AND ITS LOCATION ADJACENT TO COMMERCIALLY ZONED LAND IN THE EXISTING LOOKING COUNTY BUSINESS PARK TO THE NORTH. THE SITE APPEARS TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE ENGAGED NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLANS. NEXT USED FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. 
          THE PROPOSED TEXT IS APPROPRIATE , GIVEN THE TYPE OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL MIXTURE OF USES THAT ARE ENVISIONED FOR THIS AREA IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STACK REPORT AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ENGINEERING. ENGINEERING HAS THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANTS DEDICATE AT LEAST 50 FT OF RIGHT AWAY FROM THE BEACH ROAD CENTERLINE TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED IN THIS AREA , AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A WE MET. WE RECOMMEND THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY BE PROVIDED THAT ANALYZES TRIP GENERATION INTERSECTION, CAPACITY ANALYSIS AND TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF WILL PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING SITE ACCESS. ONE STUDY RESULTS ARE MADE AVAILABLE AND STAFF WILL REVIEW O E P A AND ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLETED AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. THANK YOU FEELING FROM THE APPLICANT, PLEASE? KAREN UNDERHILL AGAIN AFTER THE ADVOCATE TOM RUBY, UM , THIS PARTICULAR ZONING AND THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO FOLLOW ARE REALLY INTENDED TO START PROVIDING SOME CRITICAL MASS OF SERVICES AND. UH DINING LOCATIONS TO SERVE THE BUSINESS PARK. OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE JOBS THAT ARE COMING OUR WAY. ALSO YOU KNOW THE TRAFFIC ON STATE ROUTE 1 61. IF WE CAN LOCATE THESE SORT OF STRATEGICALLY AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS OUTSIDE OF THE 62 AREA WITH THE SMOKE SMELL AH, AREA, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF DEVELOPING ALREADY. BUT IF WE CAN KEEP SOME OF THOSE VEHICLE TRIPS OUT IN THE BUSINESS PARK, IT'S MORE CONVENIENT. FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND VISITORS OUT THERE , BUT ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE IN THE FRANKLIN COUNTY PORTION OF NEW ALBANY. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS SORT OF SET THIS UP FOR A LIST OF USES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THE MARKET WILL REACT TO UM WILL BE SUPPLIED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEWS APPROVALS AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DETAIL AS YOU'RE USED TO DISMISS, SMELL TRUST CORE AREA. AND SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK. WE THINK THAT ON BOTH SIDES WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USERS OVER TIME AS THE MARKET REACTS. UM WE FELT JUST LIKE OVER THERE, AND THERE'S BEEN MANY SITUATIONS WHERE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN EVALUATED WHEN WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE USE IS GOING TO BE THAT THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO EVALUATE TRAFFIC. UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE ONE PARKWAY HERE THAT IS RELATIVELY NEW AND DESIGNED TO AND BEACH ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO RELATIVELY NEW, ALTHOUGH NOT AS NEAR AS GAMBLING, BUT WERE BOTH DESIGNED TO REALLY ACCOMMODATE A LOT MORE OFFICE TRAFFIC THAN WE'VE GOTTEN, UM AND WITH DATA CENTERS BEING A MAJOR USE DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE BUSINESS PARK DOWN THE MORRIS ROAD, WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS CONTEMPLATED ANYWAY, WHEN THOSE WERE BUILT, SO YOU THINK YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IN THE STREETS, LITTLE I'VE BEEN BUILT ALREADY TO ACCOMMODATE. MUCH MORE TRAFFIC THAN WE'RE SEEING, AND THEREFORE THAT'S USED IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CAUSE MUCH MORE OF A BURDEN ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO COVER. WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. SURE ON THE GATTON ROADSIDE. IT'S HARD TO TELL HOW HOW MANY FEET DEEP IS THIS PROPERTY ALONG AGAIN? HOW MUCH FURNITURE YOU HAVE ON GETTING ROAD ROUGHLY. WELL, LOOK AT OUR PLAN, OKAY? AND THE NUMBER YOU'RE COMPARING THAT AGAINST THIS SIGHTLINES AND MINIMUM DISTANCE TO INTERSECTIONS AND WHETHER YOU WOULD NEED A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. YEAH THAT THAT WAS THE QUESTION TO THE ENGINEER THAT WHEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE COMPANY THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE A DETAILED TRAFFIC SO MORE THAN 50 FT OF BREAD, BUT IT WAS DEDICATED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION BOOK EMPTY TRUCKS. WHEN THOSE ROADS WERE BUILT, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE. BHP BACK IN 2014 ALONG THE CITY IN THE IN THE AGENCY THAT ESTABLISHED THOSE ROAD SECTIONS, SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THAT PREVIOUS INFORMATION WHEN WE COME BACK AND STARTED LOOKING AT ACCESS AND WRITING RIGHT NOW HE'S TAKING HISTORY. THAT WAS. I DIDN'T WANT ANY SURPRISES. AND LET'S LOOK NOW AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OKAY CANDIDLY WHEN WE WROTE THE TEXT INITIALLY WE 
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ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST AN ACCESS POINT, AS OF RIGHT AND STEP. ENGINEERING PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT, SO WE AGREED IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT IT AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS AND ANY CONFLICT WITH THE ENGINEERING. THAT'S ABOUT 350. FT, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. EVEN YOU. YEAH, WE'RE FINE. UM. I MAY NOT GET IT, BUT IN AGED FOUR, YOU'VE GOT, UM, LANDSCAPE UP. WEDDING SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED. CAN WE JUST GET RID ABOUT FLOODING IN GENERAL OR DO YOU NEED UP LIGHTING ON THE SIDE AT ALL? AH! THROUGHOUT THE SIGN HOW. SIGNS YOU CAN WE SAY THERE WILL BE NO UP LIGHTING OF BUILDINGS OR ARCHITECTURE? YEAH. GOOD. I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE UP LIGHTING OF ASSIGNMENT, BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER DETAIL TO THIS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. THAT'S CAPITAL AGE FOUR PEOPLE KEEPING DIRECTION. QUESTIONS THAT COME UP FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. HERE AND I KNOW YOU HAD A SCHOOL IMPACT LETTER IN HERE. IT WAS OBVIOUSLY PRETTY BIG, NOT KNOWING WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE AVOIDING ANY ADDITIONAL STUDENTS NECESSARY. BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ABOUT THE POSITIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT? SEE SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE HAS ON THE SCHOOLS. SURE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE ANYTHING HERE FROM WHO TELLS TO YOU KNOW FUEL STATIONS TO RESTAURANTS, FAST FOOD. UM SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS 11 THING YOU HAVE HAPPENED TYPICALLY IS WHEN THIS PARTY'S PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED . THEY COME OUT OF WHAT'S CALLED A CONTINUING AGRICULTURAL USE VALUATION. AND SO ESSENTIALLY, THERE'S A THREE YEAR LOOK BACK ON YOUR TAXES. AND THEN YOU GET YOU HAVE TO PAY. WHAT IT WOULD HAVE WITH THE VALUE WOULD HAVE BEEN IF IT WASN'T BEING FARMED. SO IN A LOT OF THESE SITUATIONS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IT'S A ONE TIME POSITIVE HIT. LOOKING BACK THREE YEARS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE LAND TRANSFER ALARM IS GOING TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND THEREFORE THE AMOUNT OF TAXES COLLECTED. AND YOU KNOW, WITH CONSTRUCTION PRICES THE WAY THEY ARE NOW. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, USED TO BE. YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING FOR 200 SQUARE $200 PER SQUARE FOOT IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT. OBVIOUSLY, VALUES GO UP AS WELL. SO ONE OF THE REASONS I DON'T PROJECT LIKE THIS WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF KIND OF PERSPECTIVE USES IS DIFFICULT TO NAIL DOWN EXACTLY WHAT THE POSITIVE IMPACT WILL BE ABLE TO BE SUBSTANTIAL. THANK YOU. WHAT IS THEIR, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE DEFIED, SAYS CANOPIES OR FUEL PUMPS. ARE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH AND THEN BUILDING SETBACKS. WOULD YOU TAKE A SHOT AT JUSTIFYING THAT? WELL, I THINK THE CANOPIES, FOR INSTANCE , ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO BE LOCATED WELL IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND TYPICALLY OR WITHIN A PARKING AREA. UM SO I THINK THAT'S LANGUAGE WE'VE USED IN OTHER PLACES, SO JUST TO CARRY OVER. I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAD TO RUN A REASON TO IT. IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE AS WE FIND HERE. I THINK WE USED THAT BANK STREET. 
          FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU RECALL WE'VE EVEN GOT TO TRAVEL CENTER PERMITTED OUT THERE IF WE WANTED TO DO IT THERE, BUT ACTUALLY, THAT WAS A CARRYOVER. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. YES I ALSO THINK THAT FUEL CANOPIES ARE VERY TRICKY. TO DEAL WITH. WE SHOULDN'T BE DEALING WITH THEIR LOCATION AS IF IT WERE A BUILDING. WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT HEIGHT LIGHTING. 
          ACCENT COLORS. THE GEOMETRY OF IT. THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING OF THE SUPPORTS THE ELIMINATION OF SIGNING I DID. THERE ARE A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS RELATED TO GAS CANOPIES THAT ARE UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT THAN THE BUILDING. YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO FUNCTION AS A AS A THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. MHM RIGHT. FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, I JUST KIND OF WENT MR CHAIR IS SIMILAR LANGUAGE TO OTHER SIMILAR ZONING DISTRICTS, SUCH AS SPEECH CROSSING YOUR, UM. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING THE VARIANCE AND MAKING IT HARD TO DEVELOP, AND I WAS ALSO TRYING TO TEASE OUT HOW MUCH ENCROACHMENT DO WE NEED? IF WE COULD SO THAT IT SPACE OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE CERTAINLY IT'S WITHIN THE PAVEMENT SET BACK. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO PAVE UNDERNEATH IT. MAYBE WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE SOFTER AND JUST SAY MAIN 
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CROCHETING APPROVED AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO KIND OF PUT IT OUT THERE. THAT WAY. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT LAUNCH, RIGHT? THAT'S D FIVE WORDS ALLOWS THAT SO DON'T . TWO YEARS AGO. YEAH CAPITAL B FIVE B FIVE. I'M SORRY. DEFIED IN THEIR TEXT IS WHERE IT ALLOWS CANOPIES TO ENCROACH. BE CAREFUL STAFF REPORT HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS IN THE TEXT BECAUSE I WENT AND LOOKED UP STUFF AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING IN MY NOTES AND I HAD THAT'S DIFFERENT, THOUGH THAT'S TEXT. AND WE JUST MAKING IT SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF CLIMATE. YEAH. 
          AND SECTION RIGHT? SO HOW WOULD YOU GIVE THEM CONDITIONS. UM THAT ENCOURAGEMENT HAS TO BE APPROVED AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. PARDON ME ENCROACHMENT ONTO THE CANOPY. ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SETBACK HAS TO BE APPROVED, FINALLY APPROVED AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT APPROVED IT FINAL. IT'S SUBJECT TO HMM. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. IT WAS COMMISSIONED. 
          BUT IT. YES, AND CURIOSITY LOOKING AT NO. VERY MUCH. THE AREA DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE AREA WHERE REZONING NOW UP. TO OR 1. 61 IS THAT'S ALL 1 61. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH THE NEXT ROAD UP IS WORTHINGTON ROAD, 61 RIGHT AFTER THAT, RIGHT. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THE ZONING THERE AND LET'S CONTEMPLATED THEORY HERE THAT I KNOW THE CURRENT ZONING AT THE SORT OF THE QUADRANT OF THE INTERCHANGES ACROSS FROM OUR NEXT ZONING TO THE EAST IS OFFICE CAMPUS DISTRICT. I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW. FISCAL YEAR. LG YEAH, UM, NORTH OF THIS SIDE IN PARTICULAR UP TO WORTHINGTON SETUP PIECE THAT YOU DON'T CONTROL THIS POINT. WE DO CONTROL THAT AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT. WHETHER IT'S MORE OF THIS OR JUST OCCURRED TO ME, IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO PUT YES. COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT. CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW THE WAY THE WORLD IS. I THINK THE SOUTH EASTERN QUADRANT OF THE INTERCHANGE IS NOT LIKELY TO REMAIN OFFICE CAMPUS DISTRICT. THIS WAS NOT REALITY ANYMORE. SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT. AND THAT PIECE AND THAT PIECE INTERVIEWING BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS SO I THINK PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL BE SECRETARY NEXT MONTH, PROBABLY NEXT. 6 TO 12 MONTHS YOU'LL SEE APPLICATIONS THERE. 
          I'M SURE THANK YOU. ANYONE FROM PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ONE? SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS APPLICATION. OKAY? ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC. SO. I MOVE. WE ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR HIS ONLY CHANGE. 60 TO 2023. DO I HEAR A SECOND FOR THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND. DISCUSSION OF THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. THE ROLE, PLEASE,■ MR KIRBY? YES? YES MR LARSON? YES MR WALLACE? YES, MR SCHELL? YES. 
          I HAVE FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE DOCUMENTS. MOTION. THANK YOU. MAKE A MOTION ALREADY, UM, DOING YOUR MOTION FOR THE APPLICATION ITSELF. I MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATIONS EC 60 TO 2023, BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS NUMBER ONE. 
          THE COMMENTS OF THE CITY ENGINEER SHALL BE ADDRESSED, INCORPORATED INTO THE ZONING TEXT AS APPROPRIATE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. NUMBER TWO NO UP LIGHTING ON THE BUILDINGS. AND NUMBER THREE REGARDING THE FIVE CANOPY ENCROACHMENTS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I ALSO COME OUT. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. AND HERE, THE ROLE. MR SCHELL? YES, MR LARSON, MR KIRBY. MR WALLACE? YES. MS 
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BRIGGS YES. FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. TAKES US TO ZONING CHANGE. 63 2023 FROM STAFF, PLEASE. THANK YOU. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A REZONING OF 12.8 ACRES. THE OVERALL SITE CONSISTS OF THREE PARCELS AND IS LOCATED WITHIN LICKING COUNTY. THE ZONING DISTRICT IS GENERALLY LOCATED TO THE SOUTHWEST AND ADJACENT TO STATE ROUTE 1, 61 AND BEACH ROAD INTERCHANGE. NEIGHBORING USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS INCLUDE L G L O C D AND I, P. U D. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THESE SMALL RED STAR ON THE SCREEN TO FIX THE GENERAL AREA ON THE SONY FAP. THE REQUEST PROPOSES TO CREATE A NEW I P U D FOR THE AREA KNOWN AS SPEECH INTERCHANGE SOUTHWEST ZONING DISTRICT. AH! MUCH LIKE THE APPLICATION THAT WAS JUST APPROVED. PRIOR TO THIS ONE, THERE'S ONLY IN DISTRICT WOULD ALSO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF SERVICE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND GASOLINE SERVICE STATION USES TO SERVE EMPLOYEES WITHIN AND VISITORS TO THE NEW ALBANY INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK. THIS PROPOSED ZONING CONTAINS THE SAME LIST OF PERMITTED CONDITIONAL AND PROHIBITED USES AS THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU JUST HEARD AND APPROVED. THE. ZONING OFFICER REQUIRES TO EXTEND THE SAME OR SIMILAR ZONING STANDARDS TO THIS PROPERTY AS CURRENTLY APPLIES TO THE BEACH CROSSING ZONING DISTRICT. AND THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ARE ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE ITEM THAT YOU JUST HEARD AND APPROVED, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING BEACH CROSSING ZONING DISTRICT. DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE SITE TO STATE ROUTE 1 61 AND ITS LOCATION ADJACENT TO COMMERCIALLY ZONED LAND AND THE EXISTING LOOKING COUNTY BUSINESS PARK. THE SITE APPEARS TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. MUCH LIKE THE LAST APPLICATION. THIS SITE IS ALSO LOCATED IN THE ENGAGEMENT. ALBANY STRATEGIC PLANS MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AND THE PROPOSED TEXT IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE TYPE OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL MIXTURE OF USES THAT ARE ENVISIONED FOR THIS AREA IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL LISTED IN THIS STACK REPORT AND STUFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
          ENGINEERING. SO WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS THREE OF 12 OF THE TEXT STATES THAT 30 FT OF RIGHT AWAY SHALL BE DEDICATED AS MEASURED FROM ROAD CENTERLINE. CURRENTLY THE RED AWAY, AS MEASURED FROM ROAD CENTERLINE RANGES FROM APPROXIMATELY 100 FT TO 110 FT ALONG THE PARCEL FRONTAGE ADJACENT TO GROUPING TONIGHT ROAD. THE TEXT SHOULD BE REVISED TO REFLECT THIS REFLECT THIS NEXT IS RECOMMENDED THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY BE PROVIDED THAT ANALYZES TRIP GENERATION INTERSECTION, CAPACITY ANALYSIS AND TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS. NEXT FLOOR REVIEW O E P A AND A CRE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLETED IT AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND FINALLY, WE WILL EVALUATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WATER DISTRIBUTION, SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION AND ROADWAY. CONSTRUCTION RELATED DETAILS ONCE CONSTRUCTION PLANS BECOME AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. YOU HEAR FROM THE UP AGAIN? DRILL. HERE WE GO. WONDERFUL LIFE. UM. THIS SITE IS LARGELY THE SAME AS THE OTHER OBVIOUSLY RIGHT ON THE FREEWAY MAKES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I MAYBE SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED LAST TIME. YOU KNOW WHEN WE ORIGINALLY ZONED PROBABLY AT LEAST 12 YEARS AGO WHERE THE COLONEL HYO HEALTH FACILITY OR LAND IS WHERE THEY HAVEN'T BUILT YET, WHICH IS UP ON THE NORTHWEST. THAT ALL COULD HAVE BEEN RETAIL AND EVEN OVER TO THE EAST SIDE OF BEACH ROAD, SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WAS WITH SOMEBODY USE PATTERNS THAT HAVE OCCURRED UP THERE. AND UM YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, THEY USED THAT'S REALLY THE SEXY ONE IF YOU WILL HELP BEING UP THERE HAD TO RELOCATE. THESE USES THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT 
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MAKES SOME SENSE. SO HERE AGAIN, THIS ONE IS VERY WELL POSITIONED TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE BUSINESS PARK IN THE TRAVELING PUBLIC. WE'VE OBVIOUSLY COMMITTED. WE COULDN'T DO IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT NO ACCESS FROM THE EXIT RAMP FROM 1 61 AND ALSO NO VEHICULAR ACCESS TO OR FROM BEACH ROAD, SO EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT. ON THAT THIS SCIENCE THERE AT LOCATIONS TO BE DETERMINED WITH THE GOVERNMENT PLANS. THAT'S ALL. ANY CONFLICT WITH THE ENGINEERING. NOW WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE? THE SAME TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT YOU JUST APPROVED? YES, OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF ALL CUT OUT THERE? I KNOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WOODED WERE IN THERE AND GET INTO THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA ASK. DID WE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATING VERY, UH, FOR A VERY LONG TIME WITH THE OWNER OF THAT PARCEL THAT THE VALUE. WE CAN'T COME TO A PRICE. UM YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, SHE THAT THAT PROPERTY AND HAS SOME PROBLEMS BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACCESS AVAILABLE TO HER, UM, ON THE EXIT RAMP. OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH US . WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. SO WE HAVE NO AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE THAT ACCESS RIGHT NOW. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING WITH ALWAYS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO TRY TO REQUIRE IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO SO. HOW DOES THAT PROPERTY ON HER ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY TODAY? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HELICOPTER AND I ACTUALLY VACANT LAND. THERE'S NO HOME OR RATHER STRUCTURE THERE. IT'S JUST VACANT LAND. THAT'S JUST WHAT WAS THE QUESTION. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY, DAVE. RIGHT? HOW DO THEY ACCESS IT? OH CURRENTLY HOW THEY PARCEL PREVIOUSLY, UM, SO COLOR TO THIS WE HAVE AGGRESSIVELY THAT'S RIGHT. PURSUE ACTIVIST BACK FOR US PERSONALLY. AND THERE ARE TO SAY THIS UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS OF VALUES AND UNDERSTAND STEP FURTHER THAN MY DETERMINE. I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROUND TO THE NORTH. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ACCESSED THROUGH GROUND THAT WAS ULTIMATELY ACQUIRED THROUGHOUT. AND NOW THAT'S THE RESIDUAL PIECE THAT THIS LEFT THIRD LEFT TRIP. AND THEIR FRIENDS OF THE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON WHAT YOUR AGREEMENT WAS WITH NO DOGS. THROUGHOUT. THE GROUNDS. RIGHT OBVIOUSLY, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPENSATED AS DAMP, WHICH CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE RESIDUAL AT THE TIME. I ACTUALLY DID SOME RESEARCH ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION, EVEN PROVIDING THE EASEMENT TO THAT PARCEL ENHANCER IS NOW WHICH IS INTERESTING. I THOUGHT I THOUGHT INTO OHIO LAW THERE HAD TO BE ACCESS TO. SO THERE'S THAT CONCEPT CALLED EASEMENT BY NECESSITY, BUT THAT THAT HAS TO HAVE BEEN SLOWLY CAUSED BY THE SURROUNDING OWNER. AND BECAUSE MODI WAS. PARTICIPATING REALLY? THE ONES THAT INTERESTING IT'S NOT OUR OBLIGATION. SO WHAT SAY WE WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT OUR LEGAL OBLIGATIONS, DOING SOME POINT NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE WILL BE BACK. CHRISTIANS, PART OF THE DANCE. JUST WHERE YOU ARE. YEAH. AND JUST ONE OTHER QUICK FOLLOW UP THEIR TIME. WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE PURSUED THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME WITH THIS OWNER? OKAY, MORE THAN 12. THANK YOU. WE ALL REMEMBER THE FRIENDLY SIGNS ABOUT OH, DOT AS WE DROVE DOWN ONCE AGAIN, ONCE FINALLY DOWN. QUESTIONS COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER FROM THE PUBLIC. THE MOVE TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS AND RELATED TO THE STAFF REPORTS RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR ZONING CHANGE. 63 2023. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND . DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. CAN YOU THE ROLE, PLEASE, MR KIRBY? YES MR WALLACE ? YES MR SCHELL. MR LARSON? YES FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE DOCUMENTS, MOTION YOUR EMOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE ITSELF. YEAH IT AGAIN. GO FOR IT ON ENGINEERING AND THE OTHER TWO GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. I GOTTA GET THE WORDING ON THE CANOPY. I WOULD HAVE JUST SAID I WOULD JUST SAY THE LAST LIKE THE LAST REPORT LIKE THE LAST CASE. YEAH I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATIONS E C. 63 2023 BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS OF THE CITY ENGINEER SHALL BE ADDRESSED AND INCORPORATED INTO 
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THE ZONING TEXT AS APPROPRIATE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. NUMBER TWO NO UP LIGHTING ON THE BUILDINGS AND NUMBER THREE CONCERNING D FIVE AND CANOPY APPROACH 95 HERE. WASN'T THAT PROBABLY DIFFERENT SEXUAL DIFFERENT SECTIONS. SO HOW ABOUT I DON'T THINK YOU LISTED THE, UM TEXT SECTIONS OF YOUR IN YOUR INITIAL MOTION WOULD JUST LEAVE IT WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THE TEXT SECTIONS. NO PROBLEM BEFORE. THIS WILL BE LIKE TO TREAT. HOW ABOUT WOULD YOU SAY REGARDING CANOPY ENCROACHMENT SIMILAR TO FORMER CASE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE OTHER CONDITIONS CLEAR. 
          YES. DO I HEAR A 2ND 2ND? AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. I CAN HEAR THE RULE, PLEASE, MR SHOW? YES MR WALLACE BRIGGS. YES MR LARSON? YES MR KIRBY? YES I HAVE FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS. GOOD LUCK. TAKES US TO EXPERIENCE 65. CAN WE GET SOME STAFF? GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS VERY ANSWER. 
          QUESTION IS FOR 73 30 EAST CROSS DRIVE PROPERTY MEASURES AND 0.19 ACRES IN SIZE AND CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NOTTINGHAM TRACE OF DIVISION AND HIS OWNED RESIDENTIAL I P. D. IF IT'S ALRIGHT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO DEBRIEF A LITTLE HISTORY FIRST. FOR THIS VARIANCE. THIS IS A CITY SPONSOR VARIANCE REQUEST TO ALLOW THE MATERIAL OF A PERGOLA TO BE ALUMINUM METAL. INTO ALLOWING ENCROACHMENT OF 2.5 FT INTO THE SIDE YARD. PRIOR TO THIS REQUEST, THE PROPERTY OWNER FOLLOWED THE APPROPRIATE SUBMITTAL AND PERMITTING PROCESS AND THE CITY APPROVED THE PERMIT. THE PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASE AND INSTALL THE PERGOLA AND COORDINATES WITH THE APPROVED APPLICATION. A REVIEW WAS CONDUCTED BY THE CITY SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER APPROVING THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMIT, IDENTIFIED A MISTAKE IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS. THE CITY CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO AGREED TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO SUBMIT THE VARIANCE APPLICATION AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS. THANK YOU. THERE ARE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT CREATE A UNIQUENESS. FOR THIS LOT. THERE IS AN EXISTING PATIO BUILT IN THE REAR OF THE HOME THAT IS CONNECTED TO THE BACK DOOR. PERGOLA IS FASTENED ON TOP OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE PATIO AND MATCHES THE AREA HERE JUST IN THIS LITTLE CORNER TO THE LEFT. ALSO THE SETBACK REQUEST DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SOLVED BY SOME MANNER OTHER THAN GRANTING A VARIANCE. IF THE PERGOLA WERE TO BE RELOCATED, IT WOULD BLOCK THE REAR DOOR AND PREVENT ITS USE. THE SETBACK. ENCROACHMENT IS THE MINIMUM NEEDED TO CLEAR THE DOORWAY. THE HOUSE AND PERGOLA ARE CONSTRUCTED THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE SIDE FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. THE VARIANCE DOES NOT APPEAR TO ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSIDERING THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE AND GENERAL AREA OF THE LAW. THE HOME IS LOCATED IN A CORNER OF THE SUBDIVISION WITH THE PERGOLA LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD, SO THERE'S NO VISIBILITY FROM THE PUBLIC STREET. IN ADDITION, THERE IS CURRENTLY ARE BERATED LANDSCAPE ALONG THE BOTH SIDES OF THE PERGOLA. THIS BUFFER INCLUDES THE NEIGHBORS LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING LOCATED ON THE LEFT SIDE COVERING THE REAR YARD. ALSO, THE VARIANCE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE THE BLACK ALUMINUM IS VERY IS A VERY POPULAR MATERIAL IN NEW ALBANY, SIMILAR TO THE FENCING MATERIALS SEEN HISTORICALLY. IN ADDITION, THE METAL FINISH IS A MATTE FINISH AND THE TYPICAL METALLIC SHINY COLOR. THERE'S NOT APPEAR. IN THIS DESIGN. THE PERGOLA IS MADE OF MATTE, WHICH DOES NOT SHINE. AND ITS COLUMNS CREATE AN INCONSPICUOUS APPEARANCE, WHICH RESULTS IN THE PERGOLA BLENDING INTO THE BACKGROUND. AND STAFF WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. MY FIRST COMMENT IS THIS SITUATION HIS OWN GOAL. UM NO, THEY JUST THE CITY MISSED THIS THE FIRST TIME AROUND. AND THE LANDOWNER DID ALL THE RIGHT STUFF. THEY SUBMITTED. THEY GOT APPROVAL THEY BUILT ACCORDING TO THE SPEC. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY? 
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UM. THERE ANY OTHERS IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT? AND WE KNOW OKAY. UM AND FOR LEGAL, ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENT? I ALWAYS SAY YOU'RE ALWAYS HAVING A PRECEDENT WITH WHATEVER ACTION YOU TAKE, UM BUT YOU'RE CORRECT AND THAT THIS IS CORRECTING A CITY'S AIR. UM YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU, ACCORDING TO THE REGULAR FACTORS THAT YOU CONSIDER FOR EVERY VARIANCE AND IF IT'S JUSTIFIED OR NOT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. THANK YOU. 
          SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IF YOU'RE GO AHEAD, SO JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND SO IF THE CITY HAD PROPERLY REVIEWED THE APPLICATION, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT ROOM? CORRECT, OK? SO. SO THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THE CITY PROVED WHAT THE HOMEOWNER DID. AND THEN THE HOMEOWNER DIDN'T CORRECT ACCORDING TO THE PLANS THAT WE APPROVED YES. SO I THINK IF WE MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL, UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE. WE WILL NOT BE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE APPROVAL OF SIMILAR VILLAS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK I THINK THE RECORD SHOULD BE CLEAR ON THAT AT THIS POINT. UM I DIDN'T. MAYBE THIS IS JUST MY IGNORANCE, BUT I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T QUITE SO WE'RE COULD THE PERGOLA BEING IF THEY HAD ASKED FOR A PROGRAM IN THE CITY HAD CORRECTLY REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND SAID, YOU CAN'T PUT THE PERGOLA WHERE IT IS. NOW WHERE COULD WE WORK WITH THE CITY HAVE APPROVED IT. SO ACCORDING TO CODE THE SETBACKS CHANGED BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE PROJECT. WHEN A PATIO IS UNCOVERED. IT SHOULD BE 5 FT. FROM THE SIDELINE, HOWEVER, WANNA PATIO IS COVERED. THE REQUIREMENT IS 10 FT. GOT IT. OKAY THAT'S THE PART THAT DIDN'T WASN'T CLICKING WITH ME AS TO BECAUSE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WAS 7.5. OKAY ALRIGHT. YOU'VE EXPLAINED THAT. SO WHEN WE DID THAT, SAYING THAT FLAT CONCRETE DOESN'T ENCROACH THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED EXACTLY. YES OKAY. BACK OF THE HOUSE. IT WAS 7.5. CORRECT. THAT'S THE PERFECT MAN DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, EITHER. BUT THAT DIDN'T YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE HOUSE CAN ACTUALLY BE JUST 5 FT. OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL. THAT'S MY PROPERTY. THE HOUSE COULD BE ACTUALLY CLOSE WRECKED. YEP. GOT YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE WAS CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE PERGOLA BE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE STILL NEED A VERY LONG IT'S INSIDE THE HOUSE. IT WOULDN'T BE AS LONG AS EVEN IF IT WAS INSIDE BECAUSE THIS ONE IS, YEAH. YEAH UNFORTUNATELY, NOT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING TAX KIND OF ADDRESS THAT, UM THOSE TYPES OF CONDITIONS SO THAT WOULD IT WOULD STILL BE THE VARIANCE. THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE HERE WOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO COMPENSATE THE HOMEOWNER FOR REMOVING THE PERGOLA, WHICH IT IMPROPERLY ALLOWED. THE HOMEOWNER TO PUT IN AND PUT THE HOMEOWNER BACK AND POSITION. THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN, FRANKLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT. IF THE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REFUSED VARIANTS THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE. RIGHT, CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK YOU COULD REFLECT THAT VERY CLEARLY AS THIS BOARD'S INTEND TO DESIRE THAT THE HOMEOWNER BE COMPENSATED AND ALL COSTS COVERED, BECAUSE CLEARLY IT WAS. IT WAS NOT THEIR FAULT. THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT? UM AND THEN THE CITY THREE YEAR ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DOCUMENT THAT THROUGH SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT COST SHARING OR COST COVERAGE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COVERED THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT THIS BODY DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEND MONEY, CORRECT, RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'RE YOU'RE LIMITED. IT'S REALLY COUNCILS. IT'S REALLY YOUR ADMINISTRATION . YOU CAN MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S YOUR DESIRE IN THE RECORD AND YOUR MOTION, BUT YOU REALLY HAVE NO POWER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THE CITY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. THEN THEY COULD SEE THE CITY AND TRY TO GET REDRESS IN THAT SURE THERE WOULD BE THEIR ALTERNATIVE. 
          YEAH, THERE'LL BE SOME LIABILITY THERE. DEFINITELY. SO THAT WOULD BE IN A WAY WE COULD AS A COMMISSIONER. CHESTER CREATE ANY PRECEDENTS. IN FACT, WE WOULD PUT A. IMPETUS IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T MESS IT UP AGAINST YAHOO. THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER OPTIONS, RIGHT? YOU EITHER 
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LEAVE IT OR TAKE IT DOWN. WHAT'S THIS PARTICULAR ONE BECAUSE THE PATIO SIZES FACTORED INTO THE PRIVILEGE SIZE. I BELIEVE. GET UP WITH YOURS. IT'S GOT FOOTERS . YEAH WELL AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE TO MOVE IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AT THE BLOCK THE DOOR. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S NOT IT COULD BE MOVED IN EVEN FURTHER SO IT DIDN'T BLOCK THE DOOR. IF WE COULD HEAR FROM THE AFRICAN? YES HI. MY NAME IS STEVE D'ANTONIO LIVE IN SAN PROPERTY. 70 30 EAST CROSS. UM I COULDN'T MOVE THE PARAGLIDER. THEN IT WOULD BLOCK THE LIGHT. UM IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK AT ALL. IT WAS THE ONLY PLACE TO PUT IT. YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT I GUESS WHAT I WOULD STRONGLY PREFER, IS THAT UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD APPROVE THE VARIANCE AND NOT DO THE OTHER APPROACH FOR SO IT'LL BE A BIG BILL FOR THE CITY. AND WHY DO THAT THE FACT THAT NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE HERE? THEY WERE ALL NOTIFIED OF THESE VARIANCES. THEY DON'T OBJECT TO IT. THE FACT THAT IT'S 2.5 FT ENCROACHMENT. I JUST TALKED TO MY NEIGHBOR TODAY. THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM. 
          WHAT WERE THAT? UM YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE WORKAROUNDS THAT THE ENGINEERING GROUP PUT TOGETHER BY THE WAY, SO YOU GET A WONDERFUL JOB PUTTING THIS APPLICATION TOGETHER. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UH THERE'S A WORKAROUND JUST STARTED NOT ATTRACTED TO ME AT ALL. AND I LIKE THE LOOK OF THE TERRIBLE. UM IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY AND TO MODIFY IT IN THE WAYS AND THEY DESCRIBED JUST WOULDN'T BE VIABLE. MY IN MY VIEW, SO I WOULD REQUEST IN A WAY THAT MAYBE YOU DESCRIBED THAT THIS WAS SORT OF AN ERROR ON THE PART OF THE CITY DULY NOTED, AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY THE VARIANCES APPROVED VERY GOOD COMPROMISE. THANK YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UPS. UM SARAH, CAN YOU GO TO THE APPROXIMATE SITE? LOCATION SLIDE, PLEASE? SO MY QUESTION WAS IN LINE WITH WHAT? UM THE RESIDENT JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO THESE LOOK LIKE VACANT LOTS HERE THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY SOMEWHAT ADJACENT. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT IS THIS A HOMEOWNER THAT HERE THAT SORT OF BACKS UP TO THE PROPERTY IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME RIGHT HERE? YES OKAY. AND SO I JUST WANT TO STATE ASKED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE RECORD, SO THE CITY HAS HEARD FROM NO RESIDENTS SORT OF SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY WITH CONCERNS COMPLAINTS RA. THERE WO COMPLAINTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN SECONDLY, I'M ONE OF THE NEWER MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I JUST WANT TO ASK LIKE THE SIMPLY HAVE NOT NEVER RECEIVED A CASE LIKE THIS. THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS HAPPENED . I AM ASKING SORRY STAFF AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, I GUESS SO. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S CORRECT AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE COMING IN ASKING FOR A VARIANCE AS A RESULT OF AN ACTION THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN A STAFF. 
          HOWEVER I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF LIKE SETBACK VARIANCES FOR THESE SORTS OF THINGS WE'VE THE B. C. 
          A MOST PREDOMINANTLY PLANNING COMMISSION HAS APPROVED VARIANCES ALLOWING THESE SORTS OF RECREATIONAL AMENITIES TO BE CLOSER TO SIDE LOT LINES OR WE'RE A LOT LINES OR WHAT HAVE YOU OVER THE YEARS, I MEAN DOZENS AND DOZENS OF VARIANCES. BUT THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE THE CAUSE OF THE VARIANTS THAT'S CRACKED. THIS IS YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ONLY ONE WE'VE HAD. WASN'T THERE ONE IN HARLEM ROAD. I REMEMBER ONE OTHER NOW WHERE MY TIME I GOT APPROVED BY THE CITY. THEY PUT IT IN MAYBE A POOL HARLEM ROAD NEAR THE CREEK AND THE FANS. THE FANS. YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT WASN'T YOU GUYS THAT THAT WAS BC A BUT THERE WAS A FENCE THAT'S CORRECT. THIS WAS THIS WAS SEMI RECENTLY THEY MAY HAVE ONE WITHIN 13 2019, AND I'M NOT REMEMBERING THAT PERFORMANCE, HUH? I DON'T KNOW A LONG TIME. YEAH. OKAY? MHM ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF PUBLIC ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? CAN I ALSO JUST ADD ONE MORE THING? THERE'S JUST SO IT'S CLEAR. UM SO IF THIS WAS A HOUSE ON THE SAME OCCASION, THIS WOULD NOT BE A VARIANCE. JUST I THINK THAT WAS SAID ONCE, BUT IF IT WAS A HOUSE INSTEAD OF A PERGOLA, NO VARIANTS NEEDED THEY COULD GO THERE. OKAY? I MOVED FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR VARIANTS 65. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? I'LL SECOND IT. DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. OH, PLEASE , MR. KIRBY MR CARSON. MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR WALLACE. MR SCHELL, FIVE BULLETS IN FAVOR OF THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. REAL 
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MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE VARIANCE ITSELF. OH MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION. THE A R. 65 TO 0 TO 3, BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT. CONDITIONS OF MAINTENANCE. THAT'S IT. OK, SO YOU'RE A SECOND. SECOND. AND DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION ARE ACTUALLY I HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. UM FOR BRUCE AND SARAH. I PRESUME YOU WANTED TO CLEAR IN THE MOTION THAT THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO SET PRECEDENT ON GOAL OR HAVE WE WANT TO DESCRIBE IT THAT THIS IS THE CITY'S OVERSIGHT AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EXTEND IT ELSEWHERE? TOTALLY AGREE. OKAY, THAT'S IN THE RECORD. WE HAVE MOVED IN SECOND AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          THE ROLE, PLEASE. MR LARSON? YES MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR KIRBY. YES. MR WALLACE. NO. MR SHELL. YES, BUT I DON'T LOVE IT. I HAVE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION AND ONE VOTE AGAINST. I THINK THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH WHICH BE FOR THE CITY TO PUT THE BILL FOR REMOVING THE VARIANTS THAT IMPROPERLY APPROVED AND SO THEREFORE I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE DUNCAN REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. I ACTUALLY CAN STILL HAPPENS. HMM. AND YES, TO ME. THIS DOESN'T MEET THE DOG AND CRITERIA, BUT WE HAVE APPROVED VARIANCES LIKE THIS. IN THE PAST. WHERE THERE WOULD BE A HARDSHIP PROPERTY OWNER. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE RESIDENCES HERE. 
          RESIDENTS HERE THE APPLICATION WAS APPROVED. YES. 4 TO 1. GOOD LUCK. ENJOY. I SHOULD SAY THERE. 
          THAT TAKES US TO VARIANCE. THAT'S 60 60 66 66 FROM STAFF, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THIS UM, VARIANTS IS AT 6867 HARPER LANE , AND IT IS A PROPERTY OF 0.241 ACRE LARGE WITH A FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME. IT IS WITHIN THE WENTWORTH CROSSING SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE, THE HOMELESS SURROUNDED BY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND NEIGHBORS. THE NEW ALBANY LINKS TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A DECK TO ENCOURAGE 30 INCHES INTO THE E. SMITH. FOR CLARIFICATION AND OCTOBER 2019 MODIFICATIONS TO SECTION 11 65 OF CITY CODIFIED ORDINANCES WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. THE MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING ADDING PROVISIONS THAT SUCH AS DECKS, PATIOS AND OTHER RECREATIONAL AMENITIES ARE NOT PERMITTED TO BEEF AND START WITHIN EASEMENTS. BY ADDING THIS FOR PROHIBITION. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN NOW REQUEST THE VARIANCE PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THESE COLD MODIFICATIONS. CITY COPE WAS SILENT ON EASEMENTS AND DECKS AND SIMILAR AT GRADE ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE EASEMENTS , WHERE WERE REGULATED ONLY BY PLATINUM OATS, WHICH TYPICALLY STATES ENCROACHMENTS COULD ONLY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. ACCORDING TO THE FINAL PLAN FOR THE SUBDIVISION, THERE IS AN EXISTING 40 FT WIDE GENERAL UTILITY EASEMENT THAT EXTENDS FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS ABOUT 44.46. FT FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. EASEMENT IS A 40 FT WIDE. THE EASEMENT IS 40 FT WIDE, THEREBY LEAVING APPROXIMATELY 4.46 FT OF BUILDABLE SPACE. THE ENGINEERING PLANS FOR THE SUBDIVISION. THE EASEMENTS CONTAINED UNDERGROUND AND A PUBLIC UTILITY, SUCH AS THE SANITARY SEWER LINES ARE LOCATED. THANKS. THE DECK IS 311 SQUARE FEET IN AREA. IT EXTENDS 8.5 FT FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND IS ABOUT 21.5 FT. WIDE THE ENCROACHMENT AREA IS APPROXIMATELY, BUT THE SIX AND A QUARTER SQUARE FEET YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF LIKE RIGHT HERE. IT IS HIGHLIGHTED. SINCE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A DECK TO ENCROACH 30 INCHES INTO THE EASEMENT. THE VARIANCE REQUEST DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SUBSTANTIAL, SINCE THE DECK IS NOT INSTALLED DIRECTLY OVER THE SEWER LINE. THE SANITARY SEWER IS CONSTRUCTED APPROXIMATELY 11 
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FT. AWAY FROM THE END OF THE DECK SORT APPEARS IT CAN BE SUFFICIENTLY EXCESS. IF THE CITY OR ANOTHER UTILITY PROVIDED NEEDS TO ACCESS THIS, ISN'T IT? THE DECK MAY BE TAKEN DOWN OR PARTIALLY REMOVED. IN ORDER THAT ACCESS THE UTILITIES AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXPENSE OF REPLACING AND REPAIRING THE STRUCTURE. ALSO THE VARIANCE REQUESTS APPEARS TO MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, SINCE THE DECK IS CANTILEVERED OVER THE EASEMENT AREA, THE DECKS PUTTING IN FOUNDATION ARE CONSTRUCTED ON THE EASEMENT LINE IN ORDER TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE GROUND UNDERNEATH THE DECK. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE IN THIS SECTION. THAT LINE THE RED RIGHT HERE. THEREFORE IT DOES NOT APPEAR THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE ALTERED BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER NEIGHBORS WITH RECREATIONAL AMENITIES SUCH AS DECKS AND PATIOS PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE EASEMENT. EACH PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE SAME 40 FT WIDE EASEMENT LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD AND THE APPROACH MINT OF THE EXISTING PATIOS AND DECKS INTO THE EASEMENTS. VARIED FROM ABOUT 8 FT TO 1 FT. THEREFORE THE PROPOSED ENCROACHMENT IS SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING ENCROACHMENTS AND DOES NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT ENSURES THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THAT THE CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO THE DECK IN THE EVENT THAT THE EASEMENT AREA HAS TO BE ACCESSED IN THE FUTURE. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT THE HOMEOWNER ENTERS INTO A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT. SPECIFYING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND NOT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE ANY DAMAGES TO THE DECK AND THE EVENT THAT A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE UTILITY PROVIDER NEEDS ACCESS TO THE EASEMENT AREA PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT. AND ANY IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORING SURFACE. DRAINAGE IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER TO ADDRESS AND STAFF WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. I'D LIKE THAT. TOSS SOMETHING IN AND IT'S ABOUT TO LAST IT'S LEGAL SELF. UM I FORGOT THE CONDITION THAT I WANTED IN ON THAT MODEL MOTION. I WANT TO TALK FIRST. I WANT TO TALK TO COMMISSION MEMBERS ABOUT IT. AND THAT WAS THAT THE VARIANCE GOES AWAY IF THEY EVER REMOVED THE PROBLEM. OKAY? YOU KNOW IF THEY MAINTAIN IT AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN IT, IT'S FINE. 
          BUT IF THEY TOOK IT DOWN THAT THE VARIANTS WOULD GO SO MEETING LIKE IT DOESN'T TRANSFER TO A NEW OWNER. WHAT WOULD TRANSFER THE NEW OWNER? THEY JUST HAVE TO KEEP IT UP, RIGHT? BUT LIKE IS THE CURRENT OWNER TAKES IT OUT. THEY LOSE, THEY LOSE AND SELLS THE HOME. YEAH, AND A NEW OWNER BUYS THE HOME. THANK YOU CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY PUT ONE UP TO GET A VARIANCE. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT IF IT'S STILL THERE, IT STAYS THERE AND RIGHT WOULD BE THERE WITH THE NEW OWNER. QUESTION FOR LEGAL IS, CAN WE RECONSIDER? TOO LATE. UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FOLKS WHO VOTED YES HAVE TO DO THE RECONSIDERATION, BUT I'M NOT SURE ON THE EXACT HERE. I THINK YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'S A BIT TOO LATE. SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR TO ONE SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO BACK AND DO IT. AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO HIM. PROVE IT OR CHANGE IT NOW BECAUSE IT IS LEFT YAHOO! YEAH. WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD THOUGHT, THOUGH, AND I'M NOT. I WASN'T EVEN FOR IT. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR. OKAY SO LET US CARRY ON WITH THE VARIANCE IN FRONT OF US. SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS CHOCK FULL OF THESE. E YES. SO THERE ARE I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. 
          BUT YOU'VE GOT 1234. HMM. OKAY UM, WHO NEEDS AN OPPOSING TEAM? WHEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR WERE THEY APPROVED BY STAFF? NO THIS WAS PRIOR TO COUNCIL ACTION ACTION THAT CHANGED THIS. SO THESE WERE FOR THE EXISTING, UM ENCROACHMENTS, THEN. OH, WOW. BY THE ENGINEER. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WHAT THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT BEFORE THE CHANGE IN THE CODE THE. ENGINEER WOULD APPROVE THESE TYPES OF CHANGES FOR THE ENGINEER APPROVED. THOSE CORRECT ENCROACHMENTS? YES OKAY, AND THAT WAS DONE SO ONE OF ADMINISTRATIVELY AS PART OF THE UM, APPROVAL OF THE BUILDING PERMITS. IS THAT THE IDEA? CORRECT. SO THE EXISTING ENCROACHMENTS. EXISTS BECAUSE. BASICALLY A VARIANCE WAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED. BY THE ENGINEER. 
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YEAH, I GUESS. TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT TERMINOLOGY. IT WAS NOT A VARIANCE IS JUST THE PLATTE LANGUAGE ALLOWED THE CITY ENGINEER TO APPROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. FAIR ENOUGH, BUT IT'S PUT VARIANCE IN QUOTES. SURE. SURE. YEAH. BUT I SEE YOUR POINT. BUT BUT THERE WAS A QUOTE VARIANTS FROM THE REQUIREMENTS. THE PROCESS TO GET IT WAS NOT THE VARIANCE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. NOW IT WAS A DIFFERENT PROCESS. THAT WAS MORE ADMINISTRATIVE, CORRECT AND TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO IT AS WELL. SO WE THE SAME EVALUATION AS A GENIN STAFF. THE STAFF REPORT IS THE SAME SORT OF EVALUATION THAT WE WENT THROUGH PRIOR TO THE GOOD ADOPTION OF THE CITY ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, VERIFIED THAT IT WASN'T BEING INSULTED ANY OTHER LIKE EASEMENT LINES, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE THINGS. IN THE BACKYARD. WE WOULD DO THAT KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGHOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS, BUT IT WAS KIND OF YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNCIL LOGIC BACK THEN WAS, YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE CASE BY CASE BASICS, AND YOU COULD NEVER, REALLY, UM THERE'S NO LIKE STANDARD EXPECTATION FOR EVERYONE. YOU KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR MAKING APPROVED FOR SOMETHING BUT THE NEIGHBOR. TWO DOORS DOWN , MIGHT HAVE A DRAINAGE. HE'S BEEN IN THEIR BACKYARD THAT DIFFERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS TWO DOORS DOWN, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. THAT'S WHAT YOU ADDED THIS VARIANCE PATH AND CODES THAT STANDARDIZED THE PROCESS FOR EVERYONE, INSTEAD OF LIVING IT UP TO JUST THE CITY ENGINEER TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND GETTING ANOTHER COUPLE QUESTIONS, SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE BETWEEN A. THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND UTILITY EASEMENT. I WOULD SAY CHARACTER PROBABLY HELP ME OUT HERE. BUT YES, TYPICALLY. TYPICALLY WE'RE A LOT MORE STRICT ON DRAINAGE EASEMENT. I FEEL THAT YOU WILL BE MORE STRICT WITH THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT BECAUSE IT HAD IT CONVEYS FLOW FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. SO YOU WANT TO RESPECT THAT FLOW AS FAR AS DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. I'M SORRY. AS FAR AS UTILITY EASEMENTS GO. THOSE SOMETIMES ARE FAIRLY QUITE LARGE , AND THEN WHATEVER WAS IS WITHIN THAT UTILITY EASEMENT MIGHT NOT REQUIRE AT THAT TIME TO HAVE THAT LARGE OF ANNIE SMITH. SO WHAT I NOTICED IN THIS APPLICATION AS OPPOSED TO THE APPLICATION RECEIVED. A FEW MEETINGS AGO WHERE THEY WANTED TO HAVE A VARIANCE FOR DRAINAGE EASEMENT TRAINING. YES UM THERE WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE. YES THERE WAS A SPECIFIC COMMENT AND STAFF REPORT THAT ENGINEERING WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT CORRECT SUCH COMMENTARY IN THIS APPLICATION THAT I SAW CORRECT. WE AGREE WITH THE HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT. SO FROM THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, AS LONG AS THERE'S A WHOLE HORNS AGREEMENT IN EFFECT. UM THERE'S NO OPPOSITION FROM ENGINEER THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. NO AND THERE'S NO UM THERE'S UM WE WERE FINE WITH THE TIMELESS AND MAYBE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT IS IF, FOR EXAMPLE PICTURES NOT UP THERE, BUT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MANHOLE WAS CLOSER TO THE DECK THERE, MAYBE OPPOSITION BECAUSE THAT CREATES A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF CONCERNS FROM A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, BECAUSE THE UTILITY EASEMENT THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO, UM HAVE SPACE FOR UTILITIES UNDERGROUND . AND IF YOU CAN SEE FROM WHERE THE EASEMENT LINE IS, AND THE ENCROACHMENT ITSELF IS IN THE AIR. SO YOU DON'T DIG IN THE AIR, SO I THINK UM THE AFRICANS HERE. YOU TELL THEM, MIKE. AND WE'RE ASKING THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO IS IT POSSIBLE? FOR THE FOOTERS TO BE MOVED COMPLETELY OUT OF THE EASEMENT AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH STRENGTH WORK THE AMOUNT THAT WOULD CANTILEVER INTO THE EASEMENT. 
          HI, MIKE. WILLIE. UM WE CAN CANTILEVER. THE CHOICE UP TO 28 INCHES. IF WE WERE TO GO WITH TWO BY EIGHT. WE CAN GO UP TO 32 INCHES. IF WE GO TO TWO BY 10 SO WE COULD SET IT BACK ANOTHER SAY, EIGHT INCHES HERSELF. I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE PIER IS SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE EASEMENT LINE RUNS HALFWAY THROUGH YOUR FOOT OR SURE YOU'RE ONLY THE WIDTH OF THE FOOT OR AWAY FROM NOT BEING IN IT AT ALL WITH THE PART THAT TOUCHES THE GROUND, AND WE CAN DRAW IT UP THAT WAY, IF WE IF WE NEED TO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. I THINK THAT THE MAIN THING WAS IS THE SEWER LINE, WHICH IS AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. WHERE WE'RE RUNNING INTO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ANYWHERE AROUND THAT. RIGHT BUT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IMPACTS TO THE HOMEOWNER WHERE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY NEEDS TO GROW. IT'S TIME TO PUT FIBER BACK HERE. 
          WELL, I CAN'T PUT OR SOME OTHER OR WATER LINE. I NEED TO BE 10 FT. FROM THE SUPER LINE BEFORE I 
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PUT ANOTHER WATERLINE DOWN OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER ENGINEERING NUMBERS WHERE THEY SAY I NEED TO BE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE EASEMENT. OKAY I'M GONNA RUN A BACKHOE THROUGH HERE. AND THERE'S THESE FOOTERS IN THE WAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU LOSE THE DECK, AS OPPOSED TO PUT HIS OUTSIDE THAT HE'S MADE. UM AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN WORK UNDERNEATH THE FALL OF THERE SURE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS SANITARY SEWER LINE IS 11 FT. FROM. WHERE THIS THE EDGE OF THE WHERE THE FOOTERS ARE, OKAY? CHECKLIST VILLAGE STAFF. WHAT'S THE SEPARATION RECOVERY BETWEEN WATER LINES AND SEWER LINES? DO WE HAVE THAT? I BELIEVE IT'S 10 FT. 
          HORIZONTALLY. THAT'S. OTHERS HAVE MORE REAL CLOSE. THEY RAN ANOTHER WATER LINE THROUGH THERE. THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY CLOSE, AND THAT'S WHY WOODS I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL BE THAT THE FOOTER GETS MOVED OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THERE SO THAT ANY FUTURE NEWS DOESN'T. BUT THE FOOTAGE OF YOUR DECK AND PROBABLY SAVED YOU, DICK. OKAY IS THERE ADDITIONAL COST TO MOVE THE FOOTER CLOSER TO THE HOUSE? IT'LL BE ADDITIONAL TRAINING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN'T BELIEVE BRING THAT FAR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD MORE FRAMING UP TOP. HOW MUCH TO FOOT WHAT? SORRY. YEAH. WHAT'S THE CURRENT? CAN'T EVEN I CAN'T READ IT FROM HERE FROM THE FRONT SIDE OF THAT POST TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE DECK. SO BASICALLY TO THE CENTER OF THAT POST WOULD BE TO PUT TWO AND THREE QUARTER INCHES. SO YOU ONLY NEED A FEW INCHES, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THE SAME SIZE WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO USE CORRECT. OK SO WE CAN MOVE IT BACK THAT EIGHT INCHES OR WHATEVER, AND KEEP THAT FOOT OR COMPLETELY OUT OF THAT HE'S BEEN THAT'S NOT A GOOD GREAT WE'RE GONNA PLACE THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL . CORRECT THE FOOTER HAS TO BE LOCATED AND SUCH THAT IS NOT CORRECT. SITUATED IN THE EAST ONE OUTSIDE THE EAST JUST SAID IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING NOW , UM, COST OR ANY SIZE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND FOR STAFF. THIS IS THE FIRST VARIANCE WE'VE HEARD SINCE THE NEW RULING IN 2019 IN THIS SUBDIVISION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I KNOW THIS ISN'T IN THE SPECIFIC SUBDIVISION, POTENTIALLY, BUT THE B C A HAS HEARD VARIANCES LIKE THIS PRETTY OFTEN SINCE THE CODE WAS CHANGED. TRYING TO THINK OF TRYING TO THINK OF YOU GUYS HAVE OR NOT, I BELIEVE MAYBE ONE OR TWO, BUT THE CIA IS QUITE OFTEN. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF WE TURNED DOWN ANY OF. THESE VARIANCES SINCE 2019. AH, SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES. IT'S A LITTLE CHOPPY. IT'S HARD TO SAY YES OR NO TO BUT I THINK JUST GENERALLY BROAD BRUSH. DRAINAGES MINTS. PROBABLY MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN DENIED THINGS LIKE THIS FOR UTILITY EASEMENTS. AS LONG AS WE DO. THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE STAFF REPORT. TYPICALLY THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU FEEL LIKE I REMEMBER A FEW HOLD HARMLESS IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE WE DID EXACTLY THIS. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH MAYBE. DAVID, IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE, WHAT THE HOLD HARMLESS, UM, MEANS AND YEAH, TRANSITION. SURE FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, AND I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WELL AWARE OF THIS. AH SIERRA SAID IT VERY, VERY APTLY AND OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION. BUT THE HOLD HARMLESS WILL JUST MAKE VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT THE CITY IS INSULATED FROM ANY SORT OF LIABILITY. SHOULD THE UTILITY EASEMENT NEED TO BE ACCESSED AFTER VARIANCES APPROVED AND OBVIOUSLY THAT VERY WELL MIGHT RESULT IN DAMAGE OR HAVING TO DECONSTRUCT OR MOVE PORTIONS OF THIS DECK ENCROACHMENT AND THAT WOULD BE AT THE HOMEOWNERS COST QUESTION FOR STAFF ON CONDITION ONE. IT SAYS THE AREA UNDERNEATH THE DECK MUST BE SCREENED. IS THAT AT THE FOOTER LEVEL, OR IS IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE WHERE IT HANGS OUT AT THE CANTILEVER LEVEL? UM I BELIEVE IT'S ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE CANTILEVER . CORRECT. THIS WILL HAVE A SKIRTING THAT COMPOSITE SKIRTING AROUND THE WHOLE EXTERIOR OF THE DECK. OKAY SO LET'S YOUR SCREENING THERE. IT'S EITHER SCREEN. IT'S EITHER SKIRTING OR LANDSCAPING, I THINK IS WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT IS GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE PHOTO STRUCTURE OR ATTACHED TO THE EDGE OF THE DECK ATTACHED TO THE EDGE OF THE DECK, BUT EVERYTHING WILL BE SCREWED SCREWED HIM SO EASILY REMOVED. UM HOMEOWNER OR YOU. IN AGREEMENT WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS. THE FIRST TWO ALREADY OKAY AND YOU HAVE AS MUCH UNDERSTANDING AS YOU WANT TO HAVE AT THIS POINT AS TO WHAT THE HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT IS GONNA GONNA OBLIGATE YOU TO DO? YES AND WE ARE IN AGREEMENT. I THINK BECAUSE OF DECK ATTORNEY I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND OR FOR BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN THAT IF YOU DON'T SIGN IT, YOU DON'T GET THE VARIANCE. YES AND IT IS EASY TO DECONSTRUCT. SO WE'RE FINE 
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WITH THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THEY WILL FROM THE PUBLIC KEVIN QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE THIS COMMENT. UM. I THINK I CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES I'VE AGREED TO APPROVE IN THE 15 OR 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND WE SEE A LOT OF VARIANCES. UM SO, BUT THIS ONE AGAIN TO SOME EXTENT, LIKE THE EARLIER ONE WE JUST HEARD. IS VERY UNIQUE SITUATION AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE EXISTING UM NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORS WITHIN CHROME, SIMILAR ENCROACHING DECKS THAT WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY THE CITY IS A MAJOR FACTOR WOULD BE A MAJOR FACTOR, AT LEAST IN MY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE REACT TO THIS AND AGAIN. I DON'T I BELIEVE THAT IS NOT SET. A CITYWIDE. PRECEDENT. ALTHOUGH FRANKLY, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF ENCROACHING DEXTER IN THIS PARTICULAR STOP DIVISION. I GUESS WE'RE SETTING CONTINUINGLY PRECEDENT WAS ALREADY SET HERE. 
          SO ANYWAY, BUT THAT STATEMENT, UM DEPENDING ON HOW I VOTE IN A FEW MINUTES, THAT WOULD BE SOME EXPLANATION. I CERTAINLY WOULD WANT THAT ADDED TO THE RECORD TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION. I MOVED FOR ACCEPTANCE, THE STAFF REPORTS RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR VARIANTS 66 2023 DO I HEAR A 2ND 2ND? DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. THE ROLE, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY MR WALLACE. MS BRIGGS. MR LARSON? YES, VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE DOCUMENTS. MOTION THANK YOU FOR YOUR EMOTION FOR THE VARIANCE ITSELF. REMIND ME THAT WE HAVE WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION IS OUTSIDE THE EASTMAN. OKAY I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION V A R DASH 66-20 TO 3 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL NUMBER ONE. THE AREA UNDERNEATH THE DECK MUST BE SCREENED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE NUMBER TO THE HOMEOWNER ENTERS INTO A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT. SPECIFYING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND NOT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO THE DECK AND THE EVENT IN THE EVENT THAT A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE UTILITY PROVIDER NEEDS TO ACCESS TO EASEMENT AREA PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND ANY IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORING SURFACE DRAINAGE. MUST BE MUST BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNERS TO ADDRESS AND THEN A NUMBER THREE PER THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE FOOTERS WILL BE MOVED TO OUTSIDE THE EASEMENT. THE COMMISSION'S CLEAR YOU HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. 
          CAN I GET THE ROLE? BRIGGS YES, SHELL, MR WALLACE. BELIEVE IT OR NOT? YES MR LARSON? YES? MR KIRBY? YES. I HAVE FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE VARIANTS WITH CONDITIONS. GOOD LUCK THAT I'M FOND OF THESE AT ALL. BUT THERE IS A PRECEDENT. I ALMOST SAID, WHO NEEDS AN OPPOSING TEAM WHEN 
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WE'RE SCORING OUR GOALS, RIGHT? HMM LET'S TAKES US TO OTHER BUSINESS DISPLAY SIGNS AND OUTDOOR ADVERTISING. CAN YOU STAND, PLEASE? SURE. CHRIS BEFORE YOU START. DOES ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? YES WE JUST ARE ALWAYS VERY GOT TO CHANGE THAT THERMOSTAT. OH YEAH. WE'RE DYING OVER TO WHAT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE TIMING? LET'S OKAY. ALRIGHT LET US RESUME. 
          DISPLAY SIGNS AND OUTDOOR ADVERTISING. YES THANK YOU. CHRISTINA CAN YOU TURN ME DOWN? YEAH. THANK YOU. SO AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH, WE DID A ROAD SHOP ON SOME PROPOSED CHANGES RELATING TO DRIVE THE MENU BOARD SCIENCE. I APOLOGIZE TO THIS SHOULD NOT SAY WORKSHOP . THAT WAS A CURIO FROM LAST MONTH. SO UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT ME TO GO THROUGH WHAT I WENT THROUGH LAST MONTH, WHAT KIND OF SPARE THOSE DETAILS AND JUMP TO THE. KURT CHANGES THEMSELVES. SO AS YOU MENTIONED LAST MONTH, DO THESE REPORTS COACH CHANGES WE WOULD BE ALLOWING OR PERMITTING 
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ELECTRONIC MET DRIVE THRU MENU BOARDS SIGNS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT PERMITTED UNDER THE PROHIBITED SANG CODE. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ADDING SOME CONDITIONS FOR WHICH TO EVALUATE THOSE ELECTRONIC MENU BOARD SIGNS THESE CONDITIONS AND SEE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PLACED ON APPROVALS. FOR WENDY'S POPEYE'S QUEEN QUEEN DIRECTLY DOESN'T HAVE ONE, ACTUALLY, SO WENDY'S POPEYE'S DUNKIN DONUTS UM, THESE ARE ALL THE SAME CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE'VE PLACED ON THERE. THE ONE THING WE DID NOT HAVE IN CODE WAS THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. WE DID TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT, AND WE LOOK AT SOME EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE APPROVED THESE SIGNS, NUMBER ONE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WITHOUT GOING INSIDE THE TREE LINE. IN ADDITION, WE FELT COMFORTABLE IF THE SIGN IS REQUIRED TO BE NOT VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. USUALLY THAT MEANS IT'S GOING TO BE BEHIND A BUILDING AND MOST CASES, UH, CONSIDERING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, SOUTHERN 62 IN THE LONG BEACH ROAD, SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T REALLY A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND THE SOCIAL SITUATIONS WERE NOT PRECLUDED FROM. ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, RIGHT? CORRECT SO, YEAH, THE STAFF COULD ASK FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS. NOW SOMEONE CAME IN, AND THEY WANTED TO PUT THEIR DRIVE THROUGH MANY BOARD. THE LOCATION WAS VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY THEY STILL NEED TO VARIANTS. YOU GUYS CAN APPROVE THAT VARIANCE IF THERE WAS ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, ADDED, UM, CERTAINLY. ELIZABETH CAUSE IT'S NOT COME IN FRONT OF US AS LONG AS THESE REQUIREMENTS THESE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN CODE FOR DRIVING THROUGH SIGNS NOW, YES, SO JUST TO CLEAR A PLACE, SO IF IT'S SO THE SIGN IS VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. THEY WOULD NEED A VARIANCE. THEY HAVE TO COME TO US. DISCUSS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT INVISIBLE FROM THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS SO WE ARE LOOKING TO ASK THE BOARD TO MAKE A MOTION SHE RECOMMENDED COUNCILS APPROVE THESE CO CHANGES ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE WENDY'S MENU BOARD, WHICH IS DIGITAL AND ACROSS, IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. BUT IT'S GOT THE HOTEL BEHIND. SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING SAYS IT THERE. IT WAS VISIBLE FROM A RESIDENTIAL TYPE STRUCTURE. IT NEEDS SOME KIND OF SCREENING. IT'S NOT DONE THEM TYPICALLY, AND HOTELS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL TYPE. USE. UM. YEAH THAT'S CERTAINLY HAS BEEN FOR DISCUSSION FOR YOU GUYS. THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S BEEN DONE HISTORICALLY. SO IT'S JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT SO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT IS DEFINED. HOW . A ROAD THAT'S DEDICATED AS PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. SO THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE ROAD WOULD NOT BE A PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, WOULDN'T CORRECT IT WOULD NOT BE SO THE ROAD THAT RUNS BEHIND DEREK PRIVATE ROAD PROBABLY CONSTRUCTED BY THE MAINTAINED IT'S NOT A PUBLIC ROAD, THE ROAD BEHIND THE HOTELS. FOR THAT. THE CODE OF PARKING RIDE, HEALTHY FOREST DRIVE. CORRECT THIS PUBLIC, BUT NOT THAT LITTLE. THE DRIVER THAT'S BETWEEN THE HOTEL AND CORRECT THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND THE VALVOLINE THAT'S GOING IN AND CORRECT AND THAT'S TYPICALLY YOU KNOW THOSE PRIVATE ROADS WE TYPICALLY WANT . YOU KNOW THIS, YOU KNOW, LACK OF A BETTER WORD. THESE MORE UTILITARIAN KIND OF NEEDS OF THESE ARE FUNCTIONS OF THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES. THESE AUTO ORIENTED BUSINESSES. WE WANT THOSE NAPPY INVISIBLE FROM THE PRIMARY ROADS. WE'RE GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE, THOUGH, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THOSE ARE BACK ON THE PRIVATE ROADS WHENEVER POSSIBLE. SO I THINK THAT KIND OF THAT SAME LOGIC, AT LEAST IN OUR MIND KIND OF A FLAT HERE WITH THESE MANY WORDS SIGNS. TOO MUCH. JUST CURIOUS. WHAT'S CURIOUS EVERYBODY ELSE OPINION WAS THAT AND THEN I GUESS THEY'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND SING IN THE BACK OF POPEYE'S YEAH, CAN CLOSE THE CURTAINS WINDOWS. THAT'S WHERE I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH. DISCREET IT IS A GENERAL SCREENING ISSUE WHEN YOU HAVE THIS USED NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND WE ALREADY ADDRESSED SCREENING AS ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR A ZONING CHANGE, OR BILLY OR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO MY SUSPICION IS THAT WE'VE GOT THE HOOKS FOR REAL RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO DRIVE THROUGH. CORRECT REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP? THAT WAS THE DISTINCTION OF A PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC. I THINK AT THE TIME TO YEAH. ADDITIONAL ELECTRONIC MENU BOARD SIGN IS INSTALLED IN THE PROPERTY. IT WILL HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED, WHICH IS MOST LIKELY AT NIGHT. NOW THE 
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SIGN DOESN'T RETURN IT OFF AT ALL, SO THEY COULD YOU KNOW, DEREK MEAN ABOUT SAYING THAT THEY DO OR THEY DON'T THEY CAN HAVE THEIR THEIR STATIC. NON ELECTRIC SIGN ILLUMINATED ON MY MOM. LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTIVE. ALRIGHT AS WE DIDN'T TOUCH LIGHTING, SO ALRIGHT WOULD BE I HATE UP LIGHTING. HMM. YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO DO ASTRONOMY IN THIS TOWN FRIEND OF MINE HAD A TELESCOPE ON CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. THEN YOU COULD USE IT. AND NOW YOU CAN'T HIGH SCHOOL. NEVER MIND. I'LL STOP. UM COME ON A LITTLE LONGER. COME ON. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ESSENTIALLY TO COUNCIL. YEP. DO I HEAR A MOTION? IS THERE ANYTHING ANY STAFF BEFORE? I PREFER YOU GUYS ACCEPT THE MEMO AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE SUBMITTED, PREFERABLY LET'S DO THAT MOTION FIRST MOVIE EXCEPT THE HABS. IS THERE AN ACTUAL STEP? YEAH. FROM THE GOVERNMENT , OKAY, STAFF REPORT AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD. FOR THE DISPLAY SIGNS. CHANGES. SECOND. DISCRETION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. CAN YOU PLEASE , MR KIRBY, MR WALLACE SHELL. BRIGGS MR LARSON, FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND A COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE DISPLAY SIGNS AND OUTDOOR ADVERTISING. SECTION OF THE CODE. DO I HEAR A 2ND 2ND? AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE CHANGES. THE ROLE, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR SHELL. MR LARSON? YES MR WALLACE ? YES VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR DOING THAT, CHRIS SECTION OF OUR AND THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. AUGUST 1ST , OKAY? WHAT'S DO DISCOVER CARD WE KNOW WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY. I KNOW THAT IT'S CHANGED OWNERSHIP. OKAY? OH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE AUDITORS WEBSITE KNOWS, BUT IT ACTUALLY DOES BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO THE TRANSFERS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S CHANGED OVER TO L H. R. HOLDINGS LLC BACK IN MARCH. OKAY, HELPS. PROCEED, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS. A DUDE THESE TAKE QUITE OFTEN, BUT IT'S NOT ABNORMAL FOR US TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNING, WORK AND ADDENDUMS TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN . THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS A PRETTY STRONG TRACK RECORD FOR BEING NIMBLE IN RESPONDING TO CHANGES IN MARKET CONDITIONS OR. INFORMATION WASN'T AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW AT TIME PLAN WAS CREATED, COMING BACK AND ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE. SO IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS WHAT WE CALL THE CENTRAL COLLEGE REDEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK. THIS WOULD BE AN ATTENDANT TO THE ENGAGED IN ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE SOME BACKGROUND AND REASON WHY REASONS WHY WE ARE HERE. SO SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE ENGAGEMENT ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED AND MARCH 2021 THE DISCOVERER SITES, WHICH WAS SHOWN ON THIS IMAGE HERE. WAS SOLD. THEY CEASED THEIR OPERATIONS IN THE CITY OF ALBANY AND SOLD THEIR PROPERTY. ORIGINAL ENGAGING ALL THE STRATEGIC PLAN. WE HAD FOCUS AREAS. I'M SURE SOME OF YOU THAT MIGHT SOUND LIKE A FAMILIAR TERM . UM THERE'S FOCUS AREAS LIKE WINDING HOLLOW. THE VILLAGE CENTERS OF FOCUS AREA. ZARLEY IS A FOCUS AREA. UM AND THEN THERE IS ONE THAT'S EARLY. GETTING PARKWAY. UH BACK HERE BEHIND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S ALSO FOCUS AREA. SO WE ADDED THESE FOCUS AREAS INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO YOU KNOW, FOR AREAS THAT WE THOUGHT JUST WARRANTED SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION OR PLANNING OR THOUGHT REALLY BEYOND JUST APPLYING THE RECOMMENDED LEE AND USES UNDERLYING LAND USES ON THE LANDINGS MAP. SO THIS IMAGE IS FROM THE STRATEGIC AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED. SO AT THAT TIME WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS ORIGINAL NORTHWEST FOCUS AREAS WHAT WE CALLED IT, WE IDENTIFIED SITES THAT WERE EITHER UNDEVELOPED OR PRIME FOR REDEVELOPMENT, SO THEY INCLUDED SITES. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL LIKE THE NIQAB BUILDINGS. THERE'S A 
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BIG LARGE PARCEL THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER LARGE. THERE WAS AT THE TIME UNDEVELOPED PARCEL IN FRONT OF THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR ACROSS FROM WALGREENS. IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT AND TALKING ABOUT, KIND OF IN THAT AREA THAT HAS SINCE BEEN DEVELOPED, AND IT'S NO LONGER AN UNDEVELOPED SITE. THERE'S SOME AREA UP HERE THAT WAS UNDEVELOPED OR IS UNDEVELOPED. RATHER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE REZONING FOR UH GOSH, WHAT'S THAT? CHINESE SCHOOL CALLED THE SCHOOL BACK. YOU KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO, MAYBE AND THAT'S AN AREA UP HERE ALONG SIX OF FIVE AND WALNUT STREET WAS ALSO GOOD IN THIS FOCUS AREA, THE AREA SOUTH AND CENTRAL COLLEGE AND 605 INTERSECTION WAS IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS THE AREA DOWN HERE THAT'S NOW GOING TO BE ON WOOD'S DIVISION WAS ALSO HERE. WHAT WAS NOT HERE AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. THIS FOCUS AREA WAS THE DISCOVERY SITE. YOU KNOW BACK THEN. OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A HUGE UM OPERATION MANY MANY EMPLOYEES A HUGE PART OF OUR INCOME TAX BASE. THAT WAS, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, COVID CASUALTY CASUALTY, ALMOST DOWNSIZING AND RELOCATING THEIR COMPANY. AND AS I MENTIONED THAT TO SAY, HAS BEEN SOLD. SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL WERE TO COME IN TODAY FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE USUALLY EVALUATED RESIGNING AGAINST STANDARDS FROM OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY FOR THIS SITE . THERE ARE FOR SITES KIND OF ALL AROUND IT. THERE IS SOME BASE. UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE BASELINE USE DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR WHAT THE CITY FEELS THAT YOU KNOW HOW THEY SAY, SHOULD BE REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE IF IT IS EVER PROPOSED. SO JUST PULLING FROM SOME LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS TODAY IN THE NORTHWEST, UH, FOCUS AREA . ADDITIONAL STUDY AND PLANNING SHOULD BE UNDERTAKEN FOR THIS ENTIRE FOCUS AREA TO ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND ORIENTED SO THAT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND NOT OTTO ORIENTED. THAT IS AN EXISTING LANGUAGE TODAY THAT APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE FOCUS AREA. BEEN TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE BUILDING OFF OF THIS, UM THESE THESE, UH CONSIDERATIONS THAT ROOM IN THE EXISTING PLAN. SO WE ALSO STAYED FOR THIS THIS OR THIS FOCUS AREA AS A WHOLE. 
          THAT THERE SHOULD BE CONNECTION EMPLOYEES WITH HOUSING AND OTHER AMENITIES THAT MAKE OFFICE SITES MORE ATTRACTIVE AND COMPETITIVE . WHAT WE'VE LEARNED SINCE COVID ESPECIALLY, WE KNEW THIS BEFORE , BUT WINDOW NOW ESPECIALLY AFTER COVID IS THAT THESE TYPICAL SUBURBAN LARGE AUTO ORIENTED OFFICE CAMPUS TYPE OFFICE, PRODUCT OR OFFICE. STATE PRODUCT IS NOT ATTRACTIVE TO, UM , THE EMERGING. UM UH, WORKFORCE AND THAT IN THE OFFICE SECTOR, THEY WANT TO BE AROUND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, HIGHLY AND MONETIZED AREAS. THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF BOX OFFICE PRODUCTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT TODAY. ALSO ANOTHER EXISTING STATEMENT, AND THE PLAN IS THAT WE WANT TO ATTRACT INFILL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON UNDEVELOPED SITES ADJACENT TO EXISTING OFFICES. UM WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS JUST THREE THINGS THAT HAVE A LIST OF MANY THAT ARE IN THE PLAN TODAY THAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THE DISCOVERY SITE OR SHOULD BE AT LEAST LOOKED AT WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THE DISCOVERY SITE. I JUST WANT TO POINT THIS OUT. 
          FOR EVERYBODY HAS A NEW FOODS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, AND THAT COUNCIL IS THAT THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PUZZLE. AT ALL. THIS IS A STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK. THIS IS A LIST OF TOOLS THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL WITH TO EVALUATE ANY FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT PUZZLES IF THEY SHOULD EVER HAPPEN. THE SITE RIGHT NOW, I CAN SAY IS CURRENTLY BEING MARKETED BE REUSED. THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS UP FOR LEASE SO CHRISTIANS, SO COULD COULD WE CHARACTERIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT? AS SORT OF SORT OF LAYING OVER THE CURRENT FELTON. NOT THAT WELL, THEN MR CHEAT THE CURRENT STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP BECAUSE THAT LOCATIONS CHANGE PRIOR STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THE NEXT APPLICATION WE MIGHT GET IN FOR THIS AREA. WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO SAY. WELL, THIS IS WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS WANTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREAS THAT RIGHT TOOLS IN OUR TOOL BELT TO EVALUATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. AGAIN. THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IN ANY WAY. SO IS THE END GOAL TO HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATED BASED ON THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE? YES IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT. WE DO THIS PRETTY OFTEN. I WANT TO SAY OFTEN, BUT IT'S TYPICAL FOR US TO DO LIKE ADDENDUMS TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN WE DID IT FOR, UM , THE TMD. THAT WAS AN ADDENDUM. THE HAMLET WASN'T ADDENDUM. UM THIS IS NOT A HAMLET JUST ON THE OUTSIDE. YEAH. UM, SO JUST TO KIND OF FAMILIAR AREAS, 
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EVERYBODY I KNEW EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THIS IS, BUT JUST YOU KNOW, FOR THE RECORD PURPOSES, SO THAT SITE THE DISCOVERY SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED. THIS RIGHT HERE IS CENTRAL COLLEGE. THIS IS 605. 
          SOME ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDE NOTTINGHAM TREES. COURTYARDS IN NEW ALBANY FUTURE ALL IN WOODS, FUTURE HAMLET AND THEN ALBANY LINKS SUBDIVISION POINT SOME OTHERS OUT. I MEAN, THIS. THIS IS REALLY THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE NEWLY BUSINESS PARK. I THINK DISCOVERY WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST BUILDING , IF NOT THE FIRST. ONE OF THREE BUILDINGS. THESE BUILDINGS DOWN HERE WERE ALSO A PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM BEGINNING OF THE NOMINEE BUSINESS PARK THERE, SOME DATA CENTERS DISCOVERED DOES STILL RETAIN THEIR DATA CENTER OPERATIONS HERE. T. J X AMERICANS ARE TJX AP NATIONWIDE MAY HAVE CHANGED OWNERSHIP OVER HERE, BUT THEY WOULD DATA CENTER HERE AS WELL. AND THEN AMERICAN REGION IS RIGHT HERE. OH, I HAVE TO ADMIT I HAVE TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE TEENAGE COMPANIONS, WHICH IS AN AWESOME ORGANIZATION THAT I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT . YEAH BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT SURROUND THE PROJECT SITE. JUST IN FACT, THESE ARE KIND OF BEING PULLED FROM THE PLAN ITSELF. THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED 1998 AGAIN VERY OLD BUILDING IN THE TERMS OF THE OPENING WORLD AND OUR HISTORY OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE'S A MASSIVE MASSIVE BUILDING WITH 300,000 SQUARE FEET AND TWO STORIES, THEREFORE, MASSIVE SURFACE LOTS. I THINK WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I WAS AN INTERN, AND I WAS LIKE DRIVING AROUND THE CITY. I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A MALL. UM DOES NOT THERE ABOUT 25 MILLION PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE. PART OF THIS IMAGERY WAS ACTUALLY PULLED FROM THE LEASING BROCHURE THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE. UM JUST SHOWING YOU THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING THAT'S LIKE GREAT HERE SOME OF THE EXISTING FOREPLAY INSIDE THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, LARGE, COMMUNITY CAPABLE SPACES , AND THEN THERE'S SOME EXISTING AMENITIES INSIDE THE BUILDING. THERE'S A CAFETERIA AND FITNESS CENTER ACTUALLY LEARNED, UM, THAT WHEN DISCOVERED FIRST CAME TO NEW ALBANY THAT WAS LIKE THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE LIKE ZERO AMENITIES FOR ANYONE BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE PRE GIANT EAGLE. PRE ALL OF THAT, SO THEY HAD TO ACTUALLY BUILD IN A LOT OF AMENITIES THAT THEIR WORKFORCES LOOKING FOR INSIDE THE BUILDING. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY WITH THE ZONING. ONE THING I DID NOT MENTION THE SITE IS OWNED OFFICE CAMPUS DISTRICT. UM, SO IF THIS BUILDING WHERE TO BE DEMOLISHED. AGAIN THERE'S A WHOLE HOUSE TWO THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THIS, UM, THE NAKED, REDEVELOP THEIR SITE UNDER THOSE EXISTING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD BE 50 FT. WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE SITE AS LONG AS THEY MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND DIDN T VARIANCES THAT WOULD NEVER COME BEFORE THIS COURT. SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT IF ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WOULD EXIST TODAY IN THE SIGHT. WE WANT THAT TO COME THROUGH AS A P U D TO PROVIDE THAT SECONDARY LATER REVIEW UNDER A REZONING AND FOUND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION DISCOVERED GAVE US O C D YEAH ZONING TEXT ZONE CATEGORY WAS CREATED FOR THAT BUILDING. YEAH. 
          SO WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THE SITE WITH OUR URBAN DESIGN AND PLANNING CONSULTANTS AND DEVELOP SOME GOALS FOR REDEVELOPMENT AGAIN. IF REDEVELOPMENT WHATEVER OCCUR THE SITE, IT IS ACKNOWLEDGES IN THE PLAN ITSELF. I COULD JUST GET REUSED AS IT IS, AND YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT'S ALSO WHERE IT'S A HUGE TAX, YOU KNOW, TAX INCOME GENERATING, UM, PROPERTY FOR US IN THE CITY, AND IF IT'S REUSED THAT WAY, AWESOME. BUT IF IT'S EVER REDEVELOPMENT, WANT TO HAVE SOME CHORES AND ACTUAL KIT TO REEVALUATE THAT SO SOME THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT DURING OUR PLANNING PROCESS FIRST TO REASON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE REUSE EXISTING PARKING WHEREVER POSSIBLE, INTEGRATE EXISTING STORMWATER RETENTION PONDS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S KIND OF A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS ON THE SITE AND, UM, RETENTION AND THINGS HAPPEN ON THE FRONTAGE SO KIND OF MAKING THAT WORK TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT BETTER, PROVIDING SOME PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS INSIDE, THERE MIGHT BE A GREAT THING TO DO TO HELP KIND OF BRING THAT SATAN MORE INTO THE PUBLIC REALM. IF YOU WILL. REINFORCING THE INTERSECTION OF CENTRAL COLLEGE AND ST AROUND 605. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT INTERSECTION FOR A LONG TIME HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE GATEWAY INTO OUR COMMUNITY. UM YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THINGS LIKE REDUCING SPEEDS AT THAT INTERSECTION TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED INSTEAD OF, UM YOU KNOW HOW IT EXISTS. TODAY. WE THINK IT WOULD BE A BENEFICIAL THING TO DO. REIMAGINING THE SITE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUSINESS PART THINGS WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, REITERATE, BUT CREATING MORE OF A LITTLE BIT MORE VIBRANCY ON THE SITE AND HOPEFULLY MAKING A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE. TODAY'S WORKFORCE. AND THEN INTEGRATING THE SITE WITH THE CHANGING SURROUNDING CONTEXT AGAIN. THOSE ARE THE DEVELOPMENTS. I'VE 
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TALKED ABOUT THE HAMLET, ALDEN WORDS, ANYTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN ON THOSE OTHER, UM UNDEVELOPED SITES ALONG CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD OR THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE NORTHWEST FOCUS AREA. SO THE POTENTIAL LAND USES THAT WE HAVE LISTED IN THE PLAN. UM NO RESIDENTIAL. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS HOW THE STATE'S OWN TODAY. RETAIL RESTAURANTS, SERVICE BUSINESSES, SHOPS, FITNESS CENTERS, CHILDCARE, ALL OF THOSE USES ARE PERMITTED UNDER THEIR CURRENT ZONING TO BE ACCESSORY USES TO ONE OF THE PRIMARY USES UNDER OECD. SO NOT REALLY A HUGE CHANGE THERE. I DON'T THINK AND IN THE WAY THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FREED. WE WOULDN'T WANT, YOU KNOW, SEE THIS STRIPPED OUT LIKE US 62 OR HAVE ANY OF THOSE STAND ALONE LIKE POPEYE'S WENDY'S MCDONALD'S, UM ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF USERS WHO WANT TO SEE THE STANDARD LOBBY, WANT TO SEE THIS INTEGRATED AND PERMITTED USES AND REALLY BE MORE FOCUSED ON PROVIDING AMENITIES AND SERVICES THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE DISCOVERY SITE. INSTITUTIONAL USES AGAIN, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO EXIST ON THE CURRENT ZONING. I THINK THERE'S SOME CONDITIONAL USES FOR SECONDARY SCHOOLS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR THE STANDING DISTRICT. AND THEN JUST SOME MIXED USE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE COMMERCIAL SO THAT'S A MIX OF RETAIL AND OTHER TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USES, SUCH AS LIKE WHAT I ALREADY DESCRIBED, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN OFFICE. PREDOMINANTLY IN THE BUILDING. AND THEN THERE HAPPENS TO BE LIKE A SANDWICH SHOP THAT IS GOING TO SERVE ALL THESE EMPLOYEES. WE WANT TO SEE THAT TYPE OF THAT MIX NEWS ACTIVITY ON THE SIDE. SO WE TOOK THOSE BALLS AND THIS PERMITTED USES AND THIS AGAIN IS A VERY, VERY COMMON THING FOR US TO DO AND STRATEGIC PLAN. WE CREATED A LIST OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, UM SOME OF THEM TAKE USED ON EXISTING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE SUB AREA. OTHERS ARE RESPONDING TO DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. EXCUSE ME, UM. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLAN. COMMENT ABOUT. THE FUTURE PLAN THAT WOULD GO HERE AND HAS TO ADDRESS HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE HAMLET NEXT DOOR. BECAUSE SOME OF YOU SINCE HERE SLAVERY. SURE AND. IF YOU TOOK THAT BUILDING MADE A SHOPPING MALL OUT OF IT. WHAT WAS IT? I MEAN, EFFECTIVELY? I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG SHOPPING MALLS ALREADY GOT A THIRD OF A MILLION SQUARE FEET HERE. MM HMM. PUT RESTAURANTS AND YOU COULDN'T PUT A CINEMA BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT THE RIGHT FORM FACTOR, BUT YOU KNOW, THE GOTTA CAFETERIA. SO YOU DO THE RESTAURANTS AND THE HEALTH CLUBS AND THE DATA BASICALLY SUCKED THE LIFE RIGHT OUT OF ALL THE STUFF THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO INTO HIM. AND SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO ASSASSINATE OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WITH WHAT WE PUT HERE SURE, AND HAS MENTIONED THE DOCUMENT. I THINK I MENTIONED EARLIER. BUT THAT'S WHY WE IT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT. GOVERNMENT STANDARDS, SEE ANY REDEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES USERS THAT DON'T EXIST ON THE SITE. NOW YOU WANT TO COME BACK THROUGH WITH THE NYPD, SO WE CAN KIND OF FULLY EVALUATED FLESH. THOSE IDEAS OUT PROCESS. BUT AS THE SAME EXISTS TODAY, THAT SHOULD NOT REDEVELOP IT IN THE WAY THAT YOU DESCRIBED. CHRIS WAS LIKE THE OTHER ONE IS, UM DO WE FORCE THE PRESSURE FOR SOMEHOW THIS TO HAVE APARTMENTS, CONDOS MIXED WITH. TO PROVIDE THE ROOFTOPS AND ALL THE PEDESTRIAN. WE WANT ALL THESE PEDESTRIANS. WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM RIGHT HERE AND THEN WALKED THROUGH ALL THE STUFF. IT'S CERTAINLY SET UP THAT WAY NOW TO REUSE THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT SORT OF DEVELOPMENT. TOKER WE DO NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THIS PLAN, THE FUTURE THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL PERMIT. THE CONCEPT IS YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL THAT THEY HAND LIFTED. BECOMING OVER FROM THERE TO THERE COULD BE COMING OVER FROM THE COURTYARDS THAT COULD BE COMING OVER FROM ALL THE 55 AND OLDER. FROM THE LAKES. ALSO YOU KNOW, SIT IN THE OFFICE WOULD HAVE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT HUGE, HUGE HUGE EMPLOYMENT GENERATING UM, SAY, POTENTIALLY SO A LOT OF THOSE, YOU KNOW THE ROOFTOPS PER SE WOULD BE LIKE DESKTOPS. UM THAT MIGHT JUST KIND OF HAPPEN WITHIN WITHIN THE CAMP SITE ORGANICALLY . I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THE OFFICE OF THE FUTURE IS DOWNSTAIRS FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE FUTURE. TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THINK A LOT OF THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY. WE'VE KIND OF RESERVED AND PROMOTED TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IN OUR VILLAGE CENTER. I THINK THAT HAPPENS IN THE HEADLINES. BUT YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE A LARGE WEDNESDAY, HAMLET GETS FULLY DEVELOPING LARGE POPULATION. MHM 6 TO 1 DENSITY. CHRIS WAS THERE. WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF EXTENDING THE HAMLET CONCEPT NORTH INTO THIS AREA? NO. AND WHY NOT? UH 
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YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, I THINK YOU KNOW THE DIRECTION OF OUR CITY COUNCIL. AND YOU KNOW, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS OF THE HAMLET, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THE HAMLETS THE HAMLET, PUTTING ASIDE THE POLITICS FOR A SECOND, JUST IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT FROM THE BELT, THE STANDARD UH HUH. HAMLET. WHO'S GOING THERE? AND IT'S GOING INTO THAT AREA SOUTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE JUST SOUTH OF THIS AREA. FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO THINK ABOUT EXTENDING THE HAMLET CONCEPT NORTH? ALONG WITH LONG, BUT NEIL WAS SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE USES THAT ARE LISTED FROM THIS AREA RESIDENTIAL IS NOT LISTED IN THERE AT ALL CORRECT. UM, SO I GUESS FLUSHING THAT OUT, AND I THINK YOU JUST DID. I THINK IT'S THE PART THAT YOU THINK IS LACKING. AND THE HAMLET SPECIFIC PIECES THE RESIDENTIAL SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN FROM LIKE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, THE SITE AS LONG BEEN A HUGE, UM, INCOME TAX GENERATOR, AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO JUST LOSE THAT YOU KNOW DISCOVERED WAS A HUGE PART OF OUR INCOME TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY, AND WE WOULD OUR FIRST GOAL IS TO HAVE TO SAY RETURN TO THAT. SAME LEVEL OR HOPEFULLY ABOVE THAT LEVEL OF INCOME TAX GENERATION. UM, I DON'T THAT MAY BE TOO LATE FOR IT. BUT BELL LABS HOME. DALE AND HOLMDEL, NEW JERSEY HAD A VERY LARGE BUILDING THAT LOOSENED GAVE UP NOKIA DEFEAT WHICH COMPANY WE WERE WHEN WE GAVE UP THAT BUILDING, BUT THINK OF IT AS THE BIG GLASS BOX. YOU CAN PUT THE HORSESHOE IN KIND OF. IT'S A REALLY BIG BOX AND IT AND THEY KEPT IT MHM. UM, AND SO THERE MAY BE WISDOM OR LESSONS LEARNED THERE THAT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR HOW TO KEEP A REALLY LARGE OFFICE BUILDING. I HAVE TO GO LOOK UP AND SEE HOW THEY HOLD THEIR WORKS, BUT SIX STORIES. YEAH AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CASE STUDIES THAT ARE REFERENCE INSIDE THE PLAN AND HELP YOU GUYS SAW WHERE WE DID EXTENSIVE COUNTRY WHERE I LOVE TO SEE YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE USING THESE. THESE? THESE SORT OF IT WAS NEEDED. ONE MORE. I KNEW OF ONE. YEAH. WHAT WAS IT CALLED AGAIN? PALMDALE H O L M D L DOWN NEW JERSEY. OKAY HOW MANY STORIES THIS DISCOVERY RIGHT NOW ? QUITE TALL. I THINK I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. BUT IT SURPRISED THAT WAS TOO. IT'S QUITE. IT'S QUITE TALL CHRISTMAS . DO YOU REMEMBER IN THE HEYDAY , HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WERE DISCOVERED? GOSH SOMEONE'S GONNA ASK ME THAT. I'M YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT IDEALLY, WE WANT TRYING. THAT WOULD MEAN MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THERE. BUT SOME SOMETHING , RIGHT? YEAH HE USED TO GENERATE QUITE A BIT OF THAT, HMM. AND IF WE WERE TO EXTEND THE HAMLET THAT WAY, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS THAT BROUGHT UP IN THAT PROCESS WAS THE SCHOOLS MHM TRAFFIC GENERATED FROM THERE, RIGHT, SO I DO THINK. THIS YEAR. 
          WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PROBABLY A BETTER SOLUTION BECAUSE YOU WOULD AVOID SOME OF THAT CONFLICT. THAT'S POTENTIALLY THEY'RE SURE THE ONLY THING I JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR. I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW AS WE DISCUSSED THROUGH OTHER DEVELOPED PROPOSALS LIKE OFFICE AND THIS TYPE OF USERS, ACTUALLY THE HEAVIEST TRAFFIC GENERATING USE THAT THERE IS PRESIDENTIAL ACTUALLY THE LOWER SIDE AGAIN JUST AS A COMMENT AND IT'S ONLY TWO BIG GROWTH ON 605 MINUTES ON THE ROADIES THAT HEADS FOR THE WISHBONE, SO IT'S GOT THE ROAD DOWN TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT GOING THERE TO MAINTAIN AND THINGS THAT ARE JUST INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE IT WAS CERTAINLY BUILT TO HANDLE IT REALLY HEAVY STREAM OF WHAT CREATES MORE TRAFFIC IN AN AREA OFFICES AND COMMERCIAL OR. A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL ONE. RETAIL SUCH AS A HAMLET AREA. I COULDN'T SAY WITH 100% CONFIDENCE CARE AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME OUT MIXED USE SOURCES COMMERCIAL IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION COMMERCIAL OFFICE THAT USES IS GOING TO BE THE HEAVIEST FOR SURE, BUT I WAS FAR AS LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A CALL CENTER SUCH AS DISCOVER BECAUSE THAT'S VERY DENSE THINKING SOME REGARD IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE OF IT. I THINK IN SOME REGARD IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE IT IS CHRIS'S POINT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE COVID EFFECT YOU KNOW HOW MANY AND EVEN NEIL LIKE THE OFFICE OF THE FUTURE? HOW MUCH WE'VE SEEN. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO LIKE A 9 TO 5. YOU KNOW, SITTING IN AN OFFICE LIKE THEY USED TO. SO, UM YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE. I THINK IT COULD BE VERY DIFFERENT. AND I THINK THAT THE POINT THAT THEY WERE MAKING BET LIKE A CALL CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SQUEEZE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WHEN THERE ARE CALL CENTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN LITTLE WORKSTATIONS. YOU GET A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN PER SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT. IF IT'S EXECUTIVE OFFICES , YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT SCENARIO IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT. SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON YOU'RE OCCUPANT, AND I'LL JUST COMMENT QUICKLY. UH YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY CALL 
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CENTERS THAT ARE MOVING TO A WORK FROM HOME ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT'S NOT A PHYSICAL AGAIN. GO INTO A LARGE SPACE LIKE CUBICLES LIKE WE SAW IN A COUPLE OF THOSE PICTURES AND PRIOR TO COVID, FOR EXAMPLE , WE HAD A HUGE NEED FOR SMALL OFFICE SPACE IN NEW ALBANY. IT WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST WEAKNESSES. I'M NOT SAYING THAT DEMAND ANYMORE. RIGHT THERE. I THINK IT IS FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM FOLKS. IT IS NOT 300,000 WELL, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THE POINT IS THAT THE WORKFORCE MODE IS STILL VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS AT THAT TIME. I DON'T EVEN THINK INNOVATE. NEW ALBANY IS FOR ARLENE. NO, IT'S WHICH IS HARD, CORRECT, CORRECT . USED TO HAVE A HUGE WAITING LIST. IT'S A DIFFERENT TIME. BUT WHO KNOWS IF THAT'S A PERMANENT DIFFERENT TIME OR NOT, RIGHT? NONE OF US KNOW, RIGHT? WHAT WE KNOW NOW WHAT WE'VE HEARD LIKE MARLENE IS SAYING, IF IT'S ANY OFFICE, IT'S SMALL FOOTPRINT, AND IT'S HIGHLY AMENDED. SIZED WAS THOSE PLACES WANT TO LOCATE IN AREAS THAT ARE HAVE AMENITIES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES FOR THEMSELVES? UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING. THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO COMPLEMENT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE HAMLET. I THINK COULD WORK BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE YOU ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY TRAFFIC RIGHT WHEN YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT TO LIVE RIGHT NEAR WHERE THEY'RE WORKING. SO THAT HELPS THE HANDLE IT IF YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN THE HAMLET. THEN THEY CAN GET THOSE NICE RESTAURANTS THAT THEY WANT TO GET. HOPEFULLY RIGHT THERE, AND MAYBE IT ALL BECOMES ONE COMPLIMENTARY. YEAH I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF SORT OF MY SENSE. OH, PROVIDING WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR WHEN THEY HAD WHEN IT CAME OUT, AND WHAT WAS THAT? IT'S A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR. WHEN THE HAMLET CAME UP FOR APPROVAL OF AND AT THAT TIME, THE DEVELOPER SAID THAT THEY COULDN'T REALLY SEE A SUPPORTER FOR COMMERCIAL AND READ RESTAURANTS AND THAT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT WERE WE'RE SAYING THAT DEVELOPER WAS WRONG A YEAR LATER, BUT THERE ISN'T NO , I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT THE ACREAGE OF THE SITE ALONE AND THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES THAT YOU CAN GENERATE IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE AMOUNT EMPLOYEES COULD BE GENERATED THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY I'M NOT DEVELOPER TO DEVELOPER THAT WANTED TO READ ABOUT THE PSYCHIC SPEAK TO BETTER THAN I COULD, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE DESKTOPS COULD BE VERY EASILY SUBSTITUTED FOR ROOFTOPS. 
          A NICE CUBICLE IS 63 SQUARE FEET. ROUND THAT UP TO 100. THAT'S 3300 JOBS. CORRECT IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT BALLPARK NUMBER. THAT'S A LOT OF JOBS. HMM HMM. THAT TRAFFIC DISAPPEARED. WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND AGAIN THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT LEVEL OF BUSINESS THAT EXACT CALL CENTER TYPE BUSINESS COULD START UP TOMORROW. AT THE SITE AND BE PERFECTLY AND COMPLIANCE WITH SOUNDING WHEN THE. IT WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE FOR THE HAMLET, RIGHT? WHAT WAS THAT THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THE HAMLET. 
          WAS WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED OUT OF BUSINESS. WHEN THAT TRAFFIC IT WAS OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT IT WAS ADDED AS AN ADDENDUM TO THE TO THE STUDY TO CONTEMPLATE TRAFFIC GENERATION WITH DISCOVERED BEING UNDER FULL OPERATION COUNTRY, OKAY, I COULDN'T REMEMBER. WAS WHAT PEOPLE WERE. THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE YEAH, THE CITY DID. YOU WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF WE'RE FINISHING UP THE CITY'S KIND OF AUDIT OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. THE I THINK WE'RE ABOUT A COUPLE WEEKS AWAY FROM HAVING THAT FINALIZED. MEMO. UM READY TO SEND OUT THE FOLKS, BUT IT WERE BEING A BIG DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER, BUT NOT AS WELL. SURPRISED THERE WERE NO MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN THE BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE TRAFFIC STUDY. INCLUDED THAT THERE WASN'T A HUGE IMPACT TRAFFIC IMPACT. THE WAY THE REDS PROPOSED HAMLET DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WAS ALSO NOT A HUGE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS. IN FACT, I REMEMBER THERE'S A POSITIVE IMPACT FINANCIALLY HONEST SCHOOLS. SURE, YEAH. OBVIOUSLY THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL AUDIO. LEANING OF WHAT COULD WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON DOESN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL'S CORRECT CORRECT. AH AND I THINK YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, AND YOU KNOW MORE DETAILED THINGS ABOUT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. YOU KNOW , WE WOULD GET THOSE. IT'S VERY COMMON FOR US TO GET THOSE THINGS AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT, PROPOSED, UM SO I WOULD EXPECT, IF YOU KNOW THE USES ARE CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE WOULD MOST LIKELY GET LIKE A TRAFFIC STUDY. YOU KNOW, WE JUST SO THE CITY HAS, UM SO 
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WE'VE SEEN A PRETTY BIG INFLUX OF OVER 55 ORIENTED SUBDIVISIONS THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AH! THE NEW APARTMENT APARTMENTS OF GONE IN THE LAST 5 10 YEARS. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THEY CAME IN ON MAIN MARKET TO MARKET. IS THERE ANY SENSE FROM THE CITY THAT THERE'S ANY DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, SORT OF. I DON'T WANT TO SAY APARTMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN THE HAMLET? THIS IDEA OF SORT OF YOU KNOW, SORT OF RESIDENTIAL FOR MAYBE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AND. 
          AND MAYBE I THINK WHEN MOHAMMED WAS BEING DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW OLDER. PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WANT TO DOWNSIZE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE ALBANY AND THEY WANT TO LIVE IN SOME SORT OF CLOSE BY THEM. SOME RESTAURANT TO WALK TO SOMEBODY. IS THERE SOME SENSE THAT THAT THERE IS ANY KIND OF DEMAND FOR THAT. IS THERE REALLY? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING OR? YEAH. UM PROJECT CALLS, ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU KNOW, POST INTEL FROM DEVELOPERS. FIVE TIMES A WEEK ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT BUILDING, YOU KNOW. HERE AND THERE, AND EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ARE FINDING COMMISSIONER CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT'S NOT HOW WE WANT. YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP. UM SO I THINK IS THERE AN APPETITE FOR THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING PRODUCTS? YEAH BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE YOU KNOW ADDITIONAL STEPS JUST BY ADDITIONAL STEPS THAT ARE WARRANTED TO TAKE TO SEE HOW THAT FITS INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD PUT LIKE 20 IN THERE. SURE. GO CRAZY , BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU STUDY THE HAMLET CONCEPT MAKES SENSE TO SORT OF EXTENDED FURTHER NORTH. I MEAN, I CAN IMAGINE SOME SORT OF A WALKING BRIDGE OVER CENTRAL COLLEGE AND CONNECTING THE TWO AREAS AND YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY YEAH, FOR DISCUSSION FOR YOU GUYS AND A COUNCIL AND, YEAH, OKAY? YEAH ALL RIGHT. BUT IF YOU WERE DOING SOME OF THAT, THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT IS DOWNTOWN. IT'S WE CROSS. YEAH. FROM FROM CVS SURROUNDS BURGERT THAT WEDGE HASN'T BEEN DONE CORRECTLY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE APARTMENTS WILL NATURALLY FLOW, TOO. WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP ANOTHER THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE WALKABOUT HAVE SAID VANITY SET. THAT MANY MARKET DOES. IT WOULD BE A BLOCK AWAY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY HEADED. YEAH YEAH, THAT THAT I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, DON'T FORGET THAT THEY ENGAGE NEW ALBANY. THE STRATEGIC PLAN EVERYTHING SAYS VERY CLEARLY THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO OVERSHADOW DOWNTOWN WITH ANY IN ANY OTHER AREA. SO YOU TALK START TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE SANDWICH MAKING IT BIGGER. YOUR THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT OUR PLANS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. I ENVISION THAT HAPPENING OVER ON MARKET STREET AND DON'T FORGET THIS COMING YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO START EXTENDING MARKET STREET ACROSS RIGHT. SO ONCE WE HAVE THAT CUT THROUGH ACROSS, WE'RE GOING TO IMAGINE WE'LL START SEEING THE DEVELOPMENT THERE NEXT. SO, AND NEW ALBANY COMPANIES CURRENTLY LOOKING TO GET MORE LICENSES FOR LIQUOR LICENSES FOR THAT WHOLE AREA TO EXTEND THROUGH THERE, SO I SEE THAT AS THE NEXT PLACE WHERE WILL PROBABLY YES SO THAT WE CAN DO MIXED USE RETAIL. OVER THERE AS WELL RIGHT ON THE RESIDENTIAL RETAIL. HMM. HMM. ON THE VISION SINCE CORRECT 88 CORRECT 98. 
          THEY'RE STARTING TO MOVE THAT WAY. BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO MOVE THAT WAY. SO OKAY, YEAH. I YOU KNOW, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY CHRIS. SO I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY ASKING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT? BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THERE CAN ALREADY BE DONE. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. MM HMM. SO I THINK YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT WE DID GOING BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT AS WE DID TAKE A KIND OF A LOOK WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE NORTHWEST FOCUS AREA, KIND OF MORE OF A SITE BY SITE SPECIFIC CONSIDERATION OF WHAT THIS SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AS CANDIDLY. A LOT OF THESE OTHER STATES ARE PRETTY EASY TO KIND OF CHUNK AWAY AT AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE THERE IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. 
          AGAIN THIS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, WHICH IS THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS. THIS ADDENDUM HERE. UM SO WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO, UM MOVED TO RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS AS AN ADDENDUM TO THE NORTHWEST AREA FOCUS AREAS SO THAT YOU CAN BRING THIS PIECE INTO THE CONSIDERATION OF HOUSE BE REDEVELOPED AND YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENT GOES THROUGH A PRETTY IN DEPTH AND THEIR SCENARIOS IN THERE AGAIN. NOT A DEVELOPED PROPOSAL JUST SOUNDS. SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CAN BE APPLIED TO THE SITE. SO THIS BOILS DOWN TO HAVE SOMEONE WALKS IN WITH AN I P U D. THE ONES THAT WE WOULD ENTERTAIN ARE HEAVY AND EMPLOYMENT. YEP OR WHAT? I'M SORRY. UNEMPLOYMENT. IS THAT WHAT WE REALLY WANT HERE 
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IS JOBS BECAUSE WE'RE MISSING A LARGE CHUNK OF JOBS THAT WALKED AWAY AND AGAIN. JUST YES. LET'S ADD ON TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. WHAT WE WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, TOO, IS WE WANT TO ENHANCE AND, UH DID THE ARE INTERSECTIONS AS WELL AS CENTRAL COLLEGE IN 65 MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY VERSUS JUST STRICTLY BEING A ANOTHER. SMALL PIECE PARKING LOT. YEAH SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE KIND OF GET WITH REDEVELOPMENT AGAIN. BETTER EXACTLY THE JOBS. LET'S DO IT BETTER THIS TIME. EXACTLY. CHRIS IS IN HER. IS THERE AN AREA OF NEW ALBANY? I CAN'T REALLY THINK OF ONE RIGHT NOW OR IS THERE ANOTHER AREA OF THE CITY OF COLUMBUS? THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THE VISION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR THIS AREA? AT THIS SCALE. NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YOU KNOW CERTAIN PIECES AND PARTS OF CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROBABLY LOTS OF PLACES YOU CAN NAME IT. JUST RILO. THIS IS JUST BECAUSE WHERE I LIVE, BUT LIKE YOU ASKED HER PARK NEXT TO LOWER DOT COM FIELD, THAT'S SMART. GONNA BE KIND OF SUPPORTIVE. UM, UH, SUSTAINABLE LIKE COMMERCIAL TYPE SPACE FOR A LOT OF PLACES ARE BEING REUSED. COMPLIMENTARY USES. THE LIFE CYCLE OF THEM IS KIND OF IN A CIRCLE, RIGHT? QUITE A FEW. BUT AT THIS SCALE IN THIS SPECIFIC REDEVELOPMENT INSTANCE NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT MY HEAD IT COULD BE OUT THERE, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THERE ARE A FEW CASE STUDIES HIM IN THE PLAN. WE LOOKED AT MANY, MANY, MANY OF THEM OKAY OF HOW DIFFERENT FOLKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REUSE THESE OFFICE PARKS. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TORN THEM DOWN COMPLETELY AND REDEVELOP THEM WHOLESALE. SOME FOLKS HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SEGMENTED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN IMAGINE AS BEING BUILDING BEING SEGMENTED OFF INTO PIECES AND HAVING A DAYCARE COMPONENT HAVING YOU KNOW DIFFERENT OFFICES AND DIFFERENT LEVELS. I THINK OF LIKE THE OLD CITY CENTER MALL, HOW THAT'S BEEN KIND OF PARCEL DIVVIED UP INTO THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICE SPACES. 
          THERE'S LARGE, HUGE FOOTPRINT PLACES HAVE BEEN BREATHING UP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. DOES THAT MEAN EVEN TELLS FELLOW TRAVELERS WANT A BIG CHUNK OF SPACE. I MEAN, MAYBE YOU FIND OUT THAT WOULD BE THE HEAD OF BUILDINGS ALREADY HERE IF YOU'VE GOT USERS. YEAH, MAYBE. SURE. SURE YEAH. CALLS PEOPLE ENERGY. YES. INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE. LIKE. THE QUESTION IS THE SLIDE IS THAT MY NAME IS AMY LANE, AND I LIVED IF I CAN SEE YOUR RED POINTER THING . HOW DO YOU GET IT GOING? OKAY SO THIS IS MY PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. AND I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS IN THE YELLOW BOXES SOURCE. AND SO AS I'M SITTING HERE, JUST A VERY CURIOUS NEIGHBOR. AS I TRAVEL EVERY DAY. YOU KNOW IN THIS THE SENATOR, THIS IS MY NECK OF THE WOODS RIGHT HERE BECAUSE I OWN LITERALLY WOODS RIGHT HERE. BUT WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING IS I COMMERCIALIZE NEW BIOTECH. I'VE BEEN IN THE MEDICAL SPACE WE HAVE OUR OWN. UH COMMITTEE MEETINGS AS SUCH WHEN WE TRY TO COMMERCIALIZE BRAND NEW SCIENCE AND HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS, SO I DO VERY BUNCH OF VALUE THIS ALL THE THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THIS SO MUCH THAT GOES INTO WHAT I DO IS WE ALWAYS REQUIRE PATIENT ONE. I WORKED IN LIMB SALVAGE AND TRAUMA AND YOU KNOW IT COULD KILL PEOPLE. AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IN THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES AND HOW WE USE AND MIXED USE THE SPACES BECAUSE I MYSELF AND MY ACREAGE HERE. SPEED LIMITS MATTER. TRAFFIC STUDIES MATTER. YOU KNOW MY POOR CHILDREN. WE MOVED IN IN 2015. WE'VE KNOWN THE FAMILY OF THIS WHAT WAS ONCE AN EQUESTRIAN FARM 40 ACRES. UM FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I'VE BEEN COMING TO NORMALLY FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND IT'S BOOMING. WHICH IS GREAT. I LOVE PROGRESS AND EVOLUTION. HOWEVER. LIKE WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT AS WE'RE GROWING REIMAGINING HOW THINGS ARE DONE. I AM I'M NOT REIMAGINING. I LIVE IT AND SO SPEED LIMITS AND, YOU KNOW YOU GUYS KEEP SAYING DO ANY OF YOU LIVE IN THIS AREA ON SIX OR FIVE? OKAY SO YOU LIVE ON 65 FURTHER DOWN THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM SUNBURY AT THAT 55 MPH. I'M ALREADY TELLING MY 13 YEAR OLD HONEY, WHEN YOU GET YOUR LICENSE , YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER 605 FROM WALNUT. WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS ARE PROPERTY HAS HAD FOUR ACCIDENTS THAT THE SHERIFF HAS HAD TO COME TO BECAUSE OF SPEED. WITH THE DEER AND NOW THE METRO PARTS. SO ALL I AM HERE REALLY? WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. IT'S PATIENT ONE. IT'S KEEPING PEOPLE ALIVE. IT'S YOU KNOW, HAVING GREAT TRUST IN HUMANITY AND THAT WE PUT A LOT OF BRAINPOWER UNTIL WHEN WE'RE 
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BUILDING ETHIC THINGS. YOU KNOW, I GET A STABLE LIMB. SAVE A LIFE. WE GOTTA DO EPIC THINGS AS PEOPLE, SO LET'S THINK REALLY HARD THROUGH THIS. I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED. I WAS MY HUSBAND'S LIKE, HONEY. WE LIVE IN THE COUNTRY. WHY DO YOU KEEP GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND LIKE HONEY, BECAUSE THIS MATTERS ARE CHILDREN TRAVEL TO SCHOOL THIS WAY EVERY DAY I HAVE TO GET TO HOSPITALS. DURING THE TRAFFIC STUDY, SIR, I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT BOTHERED ME WAS THE TIME THAT IT OCCURRED. IT WASN'T REALLY IN SCHOOL TIME AND WE HAVE CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN. AND ANYONE IN HERE THAT HAS SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN IN NEW ALBANY THAT CONGESTION THAT OCCURS HERE DAILY AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THEIR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT HOSPITALS. SERIOUS CASES. THIS IS CONGESTED. I ASKED MAYORS MAYOR SPAULDING FOR TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE FOLLOW UP OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY . I'VE YET TO SEE ANYTHING YET. 
          BASED ON YOU SAID IT'S COMING, I SUPPOSE. BUT THAT REALLY MATTERS. YOU KNOW, I LITERALLY I SEE ACCIDENTS HERE. MONTHLY LITERALLY MY OWN PROPERTY, WHICH IS A COUPLE OF MILES FROM THE BED INTERSECTION, BUT WE'RE RIGHT AT A CURVE. ACTS WE'VE SEEN FOUR ACCIDENTS SO LIKE REALLY THINKING THROUGH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WALKERS IN THIS AREA I WE NOW BECAUSE OF YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING OF SILICON HEARTLAND, WHICH I'M IN BIOTECH . I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I THINK WE NEED EVOLUTION. HOWEVER. WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THEN. THE TRUCKS. WALNUT IS NOW A DETOUR FROM YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE, OFF OF, YOU KNOW, 62 AND THINGS. IT IS A SCARY PLACE LIKE YOU HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER HOW YOU'RE MOVING NEW TRAFFIC FLOWS. BECAUSE THIS WALNUT IS NOT BUILT FOR THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE. I JUST STOPPED A MOTHER. SHE WAS BIKING HER CHILD, LIKE IN ONE OF THOSE LITTLE TENT THINGS THAT LIKE THEY PULL ALONG I SAID, MA'AM, PLEASE. THIS IS NOT A ROAD TO BE BIKING A TWO YEAR OLD AND THIS IS NOT SICK. IT'S LIKE WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE BRING PEOPLE HERE. WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING THIS IS A BUSY ROAD. THIS IS KINDA JESTED AS ALL GET OUT AT SCHOOL OUR TIMES IN A TRAFFIC STUDY. I AM TRUSTED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE TO HELP SAVE OUR WAR FIGHTERS AND THINGS. I'M NOT BEING DRAMATIC HERE LIKE I SEE THE ACCIDENTS. I HEAR THE SHERIFF SIRENS. PLEASE BE VERY SMART ON OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES ON HOW WE KEEP IT SAFE. I LOVE EVOLUTION AND PROGRESS. 
          BUT YOU HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. THANK YOU. RESIDENTIAL. WHICH IS HOUSING THE EXISTING ZONE AGAINST TODAY. JUST A COUPLE OF THOSE. I'M NOT SURE YOU MIGHT BE AWARE OF. UM SOME OF THIS. I APOLOGIZE, BUT A LOT OF WALNUT STREET AND ACTUALLY THE WALNUT STREET AND 605 INTERSECTION IS ACTUALLY NOT CONTROLLED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND CENTER, THE FRANKLIN COUNTY ENGINEERS OFFICE. HOWEVER I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME STUDIES THAT HAVE GONE ON TO SEE ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS IN OUR INTERSECTION. I KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS ARE ONGOING PROJECT IS, UM, BEING BEING EXPLORED THE EXTENSIVELY BY THE WRINKLE COUNTY ENGINEERS OFFICE. WE'VE HELPED MAKE AN ASSISTANT WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE CAN DIRECTLY CONTROL, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO SEE THAT THAT SITUATION IMPROVED. UM. YOU KNOW , AT THIS INTERSECTION SPECIFICALLY, WE AGREED WHEN THINGS TO SLOW DOWN. SUBSTANTIALLY UM AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. BUT AS PART OF THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, WE WILL BE EXPLORING REDUCING THAT SPEED LIMIT FROM 45 TO 35. AT A MINIMUM. IT'S REALLY SLOW THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN AS WELL THAT WHEN YOU PLACE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET, PEOPLE TEND TO BE MORE CAREFUL. JUST NATURALLY, IF IT'S BUILT LIKE A HIGHWAY, AND WE'RE GONNA TREAT IT, LIKE A HIGHWAY BUILDINGS ARE SET BACK SUPER FAR AWAY. THEY'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF THEY'RE GONNA HIT SOMEBODY. PORCELAIN CRASHING THE STREET IS TYPICALLY PEOPLE AREN'T THOSE ENVIRONMENTS AREN'T CONDUCIVE TO SAFE PEDESTRIAN SITUATIONS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T DOING IT. BUT PEOPLE DO DO IT RIGHT. AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO, UM THINK OF THE SORT OF SECTION AS VALUABLE INTERSECTION AND TREATED AS A GATEWAY IN THE COMMUNITY, SO WE DO WANT TO SLOW IT DOWN. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE. TAKING WHO DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION PRETTY HEAVILY IN THIS PROCESS. QUESTION IS COMING FROM THE COMMISSION. OKAY I'M CURIOUS. THIS IS PROBABLY BARBEQUE QUESTION FOR M. K S. K. BUT IN THE HAMLET IN THE BROCHURE THAT WE'VE GOT HAMLET IS ACTUALLY LAID OUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS A PLAN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M CURIOUS WHY THEY CHANGED IT . I DON'T THINK IT IS. THEY'RE 
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SHOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE BUSINESS THAN RESIDENTIAL THAN WHAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED. IF IT IS, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT IF IT IS THAT'S NOT NO, IT LOOKS PRETTY. I ACTUALLY GOT IT BOTH HERE. I COULD SHOW YOU AFTER. YEAH IF THERE IS, I'LL MAKE THAT CORRECTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, YEAH , IT'S ALL IT'S ALL THE SAME. THEY SHOULD SHOW IT THAT WAY, THEN. YEAH. ARE YOU SAYING THE WAY THAT THE WAY THAT THE DEVELOPER PROPOSAL THE WAY THE CITY THE WAY THAT IS SHOWN IN HERE VERSUS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL? CORRECT PROBABLY ISN'T A MATTER OF JUST PRACTICE AND PRINCIPLE. WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE THINGS SEPARATED, AND WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS STUDY OFF OF WHAT WE DID AS PART OF THE CITY PROJECT, WHICH IS ALL THE SAME STATS ALL THE SAME OFFICE SPACE, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE COMMISSION ONCE THAT REFLECT THE THAT THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPERS SITE PLAN. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT WAS JUST IN TERMS OF OUR EXERCISE. WE WERE USING THE CITY CREATED. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE WE WERE STARTING TO DEVELOP A LITTLE BIT MORE SO SURE. I MOVE THAT WE INCORPORATE THE MR CHAIR . WE HAVE ONE. GO AHEAD, SPEAKER. MR SMITH. SORRY. WE'LL STEP AWAY. GOOD EVENING, KIRK SMITH, 68 30 CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. I'M NOT EVEN GONNA PUSH THIS THING. I'M THE YELLOW IN THE YELLOW AND ABOUT FIVE HOUSES DOWN FROM THIS. UM HMM. FOOL ME ONCE. SHAME ON YOU. FOR ME TWICE, SAME ON US BETTER HERE TONIGHT. WHY WOULD THERE BE FOUR OR FIVE OF US HERE? AT 10 O'CLOCK AT A COUNCIL MEETING. IT'S NOT A COUNCIL AND COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE WE DID THE SECTOR SIZE WITH THE HAMLETS BEFORE. AND WE LOST. AND NOW HERE WE GO AGAIN. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS GROUP TO DO AND WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO DO IS BE VERY PLAN FEL AND THOUGHTFUL. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT SOMEONE WOULD EVEN SUGGEST ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY INTO THAT SPACE. AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO THINK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL DENSITY YOU WANT TO PUT INTO THAT SPACE, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE DENSITY OF ADDITIONAL RETAIL, ADDITIONAL DINING, WHATEVER. IT WAS VERY INSIGHTFUL, AND SOMEONE SAID WE HAD A GROUP TELL US THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE WITHOUT ENOUGH BEDS SOUTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE A YEAR AGO, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL DINING AND RETAIL OPTIONS THERE SO. THAT'S IT. IT'S IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT WAS SAID LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR KIRBY? NOTHING IN WHAT WAS HERE. SUGGESTED RESIDENTIAL THERE. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT GOT TOSSED OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T IGNORE IT THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND SAID NO CORRECT. ACTIVELY I HEARD YOU OKAY, BUT THERE IS THERE IS THOUGHTS IN, UH TO THE SCENARIOS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO PLACE ADDITIONAL OUTLYING BUILDINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TRAFFIC INTO IT. THAT'S ENOUGH. THE PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS DOWN SCENARIO, I THINK BOTH SCENARIO ONE AND TWO ARE SHOWING SOME ADDITIONAL AH, BUILDINGS INSIDE THE PARKING LOT AREAS. WELL I BELIEVE I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION . CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE I ASKED THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THAT WAS ALREADY PERMITTED BY THE CURRENT ZONE IN THE WAY IT IS SO WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT THE LANDOWNER ALREADY HAS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE THAT'S NOT AUTHORITY THAT WE'VE GOT HERE AS LONG AS ALL THOSE USES ARE IN IT. THEY COULD COME DO IT TOMORROW AND NEVER EVEN COME BACK TO THIS WOULDN'T COME HERE, RIGHT? WHAT? WHAT OUR STAFF I BELIEVE IS ASKING OF THE BOARD IS TO PROTECT THAT AREA BY MAKING A MORE CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN THERE. AND HE SAID, TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT SINCE NOW SOMEBODY KNEW HIS BOUGHT IT. YOU CAN'T GO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY OWNER TO STUFF THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GRANT ADDITIONAL AS WE DID YOURSELF. WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT ANY OF THIS TALKS ABOUT TONIGHT. OKAY OKAY, SO I WOULD BE PLAYING FEL. AS WE LOOK AT THIS, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S EYES ON THIS FOR THOSE OF US HERE THAT LIVE NORTH OF 1 61. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SORRY THE MERCIFULLY QUICK, PLEASE. SO IN MEDICAL SPACE, THOSE WITH THE DOLLARS WHEN SIX WIN, EVERYBODY WINS. AND IN REGARDS TO THIS TYPE OF MEETING PLANNING. YOU KNOW, LANDOWNER. ALL THAT STUFF , YOU KNOW, MONEY WINS. WHO OWNS IT THAT WAY? I'M A PROPERTY OWNER. I'VE PROPERTY OF MY OWN. IN REGARDS TO PLANNING. PUT IT 
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IN YOUR HAND. WE ALL DO. WE ALL LIVE THERE. DRIVE IT. TAKE OUR KIDS THERE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. WE WANT TO GET TO THAT SCHOOL. PLEASE BE MINDFUL. KEEP THE PEOPLE FIRST AS I HAVE TO DO. DAILY PATIENT ONE. YOU'RE LOOKING SOMEONE IN THE EYES SO PLEASE BE PLANNED. AWFUL. WE KNOW THAT MONEY WINS. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO. THANK YOU. THEY MOVED. BE REAL QUICK. COME TO MY NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. I'M HERE TO LEARN TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME AND I DIDN'T PUT MY NAME ON THE THINGS SO THANK YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS SITE AND SEE THAT ANYWHERE? IT IS SORRY. YEAH I HAVE IT. 
          OOPS. YES, NOURISH 49 ACRES 49 ACRES. OKAY, YEAH. PARKING LOT MAKE SELECTIONS. YEAH I'M SO I THINK WHAT THEY WERE SAYING IS THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MISTRUST EARLIER, SO I THINK ANYTHING THAT IS VERY SCARES PEOPLE. SO APPRECIATE WHEN YOU TRY TO HONE IT IN AND BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. SO YOU SAID THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THIS SPOT TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER LIKE THAT SMELL. THAT IS NOT IN THE PLAN NOW. OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T ALLOWED, LIKE CAN SOMEBODY PUT A SUPER DRUG WALMART OR IS CAN SOMEBODY PUT A GAS STATION LIKE SOME SOME OF THOSE THINGS SCARE PEOPLE LIKE THERE'S PRETTY PICTURES OF A NAIL SALON AND OUR COFFEE SHOP. AND LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO PUT CAMERON MITCHELL THERE WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE IN LINE RIGHT, BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD GO THERE LIKE THE UNKNOWN IS WHAT SCARES US. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO THERE? I THINK PEOPLE WOULD FEEL A LOT BETTER. 
          BUT WHAT CAN'T GO THERE? SURE THAT CAN BE IN WRITING SOMEWHERE. IT WOULD MAKE US BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN PEOPLE THAT ARE CAREFULLY WATCHING IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OUR KIDS GO THROUGH THERE ON A FRIEND OF MINE JUST BROUGHT BACK ON THAT. ROAD NOT THAT LONG AGO, SO IT'S FRESH AND IT'S YOU KNOW? YEAH. YEAH, I THINK, UH, AND TRANSLATING THAT KIND OF WHAT WE DO HERE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS WE EVER CONTEMPLATED LIKE C THREE HEAVY COMMERCIAL TYPE USERS. STANDALONE US KYUSHU TYPE USERS TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE. 
          DEFINITELY NOT BIG BUCKS. UM, YOU KNOW, RETAIL YOU KNOW WALMART ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I CERTAINLY THINK IT'S A WE COULD ADD THAT DESCRIPTION IN THE IN THE IN THE PLAN, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CLARITY. ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER ABOUT WHAT DEFINITELY WON'T GO THERE, I THINK WOULD BE SURE. YEAH. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. TRICIA SIGNORINI, I'M AT 7267 RAILINGS TRIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. UM, CHRIS, WE WERE EXPECTING A MOTION FOR US TO RECOMMEND THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT. 
          YES. OKAY, UM SO ONE MORE ON THE DOCUMENTS. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTATION INTO THE RECORD. YOU HEAR A 2ND 2ND? DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTATION MOTION. THE ROLE, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY MR. SCHELL MISS BRIGGS. YES MR LARSON? YES MR WALLACE. WORDS IN FAVOR OF THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION ABOUT WHETHER WE RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL I WILL KNEEL OUT MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE NEW ENGAGED. NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. CENTRAL COLLEGE REDEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK PLAN TO NEW ALBANY CITY COUNCIL. WITH THE CHANGES CONTEMPLATED BY STAFF WITH THE CHANGES DISCUSSED , UM JUST BEING MORE DESCRIPTIVE OF THE USES. WE DON'T WANT THE ISSUES THAT ARE NOT THERE WOULD BE VERY BROAD, JUST LIKE THE USES THAT WE WANT TO SEE THEIR ABROAD. PERSONALLY, I'D START OUT THE FIRST THING TO SAY IT'S ABOUT JOBS. THAT'S THAT IS REALLY YOUR LEAD HERE A SECOND. I WILL. SECOND IT DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. THE ROLE, PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS. YES MR KIRBY, MR LARSON. MR WALLACE. YES. MR SHELL. I HAVE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR IN ONE VOTE AGAINST RECOMMENDING YOUR REASON. WHY NOT REASON. WHY IS YOU KNOW THIS IS TALKING A LOT ABOUT JUST THIS PARTICULAR SITE, AND I ACTUALLY LIKE WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, AND I THINK THE CONCEPTS GOOD, BUT THIS IS A STRATEGIC PLAN. TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF THE CITY NOW FITS INTO THAT. AND I THINK THAT THE MINIMIZING WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS, AND I KNOW WE ALWAYS GO BACK TO TRAFFIC STUDIES BACK. I THINK THERE'S A REAL CONCERN HERE, AND I THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY MEANS TO BE ADDRESSED A LITTLE BIT STRONGER AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING 
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