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GOOD. EVENING EVERYONE I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE NEW ALBANY ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD
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MEETING. AUGUST 14TH. 2023. COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR HENSON HERE, MR ARJUN? YES? MR BROWN. MR DAVIES. MR MALLETS HERE. THERE'S MORE HERE. MR STROLLER. COUNCIL MEMBER WILL TROUT. HERE. WE HAVE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS PRESIDENT WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. CAN I GET AN[III. Action on minutes: July 10, 2023]
ACTION ON THE MINUTES FOR THE JULY 10TH 2023 MEETING? I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THE, UM THE DRAFT CIRCULATED WITH THE QUORUM FALL . MR STRAW, LEAR'S NAME WAS ABSENT. THAT WAS MISSING. EXCUSE ME AND MR AIKEN AND MR STROLLER BOTH MENTIONED THAT ME. THE CURRENT DRAFT HAS BEEN CORRECTED. I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL. SECONDS. MR BROWN? YES MORE. YES MR EATON? YES MR MALLETS, EPSTEIN. MR HINTON? YES. I HAVE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES. AT THIS TIME, I[IV. Additions or corrections to agenda]
HAD LIKE A STAFF THAT THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECT CORRECTNESS OF THE AGENDA. NONE FROM STAFF. THANK YOU. OTHER THAN THE CORRECTION. AND THAT'S YOUR AGENDA. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ADMINISTER THE OTHER TALL WITNESSES AND APPLICANTS LIKE TO PLAN TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THIS EVENING. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. THERE ANY VISITORS HERE TONIGHT? NOT ON OUR AGENDA. SEEN NOT ONLY THE FORWARD WITH K FIRST CASE AND ONLY CASE WHICH IS A OR B 75 2023. FIRST[VI. Case: ARB-75-2023 Certificate of Appropriateness]
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW BUILDING EDITION AND EXTERIOR BUILDING CHANGES THAT WILL BE 53 GRANVILLE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS F FIVE DESIGN TODD PARKER. WE HAVE STAFF REVIEW.GOOD EVENING. THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED AND RED IS LOCATED NEXT TO BREW DOG AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1940 WAS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY THE COTTAGE SALON AND DAY SPA.
THE NEW OCCUPANT IS CASKEY DIAMONDS. AND THIS THE A, R B HAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED SIGNAGE FOR THIS BUSINESS IN JUNE OF 2023. THE AIR B SHALL REVIEW THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES THE 370 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING EDITION ON TOP OF AN EXISTING ELEVATED PORCH AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLACK TO THE RIGHT ON THE SITE PLAN. THE RELOCATION OF THE FRONT DOOR ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. CURRENTLY THIS PICTURE SHOWS THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND ITS LOCATION. NEW WHITE HARDING PLANK SIDING ON ALL BUILDING ELEVATIONS, REPLACING THE EXISTING FINAL SIGHTING. AND NEW WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND BUILDING ADDITION. THE EXISTING BUILDING MATERIAL INCLUDES HORIZONTAL FINAL LAP SIDING AND STONE VENEER AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSALS TO REMOVE THE VINYL SIDING AND REPLACE IT WITH NEW SIX INCH WHITE HARDY PLANT. THE HARDYS PANEL BOARD MATERIAL HAS A SIMILAR SURFACE TEXTURE AS WOOD AND HAS BEEN USED SUCCESSFULLY AND OTHER PLACES IN THE VILLAGE SUMMIT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL SIX NEW CASEMENT. WHEN DOES THE STAR WINDOWS WITH A SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT FEATURE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING? THE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIKE GRID PATTERN USED FOR THESE WINDOWS DIFFERS THAN THOSE ON THE PRIMARY BUILDING. THE CITY ARCHITECT STATES. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE GRID PATTERN IS ACCEPTABLE IN THIS CASE AS IT PROVIDES AN APPROPRIATE DELINEATION BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURED YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE, BUT WE'RE SORT OF AT THE TOP. AND AS SEEN IN THESE ELEVATIONS. STONE VENEER IS CURRENTLY USED ON A PORTION OF THE FRONT BUILDING FACADE AND AROUND THE FRONT DOOR. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO RELOCATE THE FRONT DOOR TO THE SIDE ELEVATION. THEY INTEND TO WHEN USING THE STONE VENEER AND PLACE OF THE EXISTING DOOR
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LOCATIONS SO THAT THE BUILDING MATERIAL IS CONSISTENT ON THAT PORTION OF THE ELEVATION. SO THIS IS WHERE IT WAS SEEN IN THE PHOTO EARLIER AND THIS IS WHAT THEY PROPOSED TO REPLACE THAT FACADE WITH HOWEVER, CODE REQUIRES THAT THE ORIENTATION OF THE MAIN BUILDINGS, FACADES THOSE WITH PRIMARY ENTRANCES SHALL BE TOWARDS THE PRIMARY STREET ON WHICH THE BUILDING IS LOCATED. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO RELOCATE THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUILDING TO THE WESTERN SIDE YARD. THEREFORE, THIS REQUIREMENT HAS NOT BEEN MET. STEP DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE RELOCATION OF THE DOOR AND RECOMMENDS THE BOARD EVALUATE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF RELOCATING THE FRONT DOOR. THE AIR. THE PORCH SHOULD EVALUATE THE OVERALL PROPOSALS BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS. THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED AND SUPPORTS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ADDITION. WHILE THE AUDITION, OBSERVES AND RESPECTS THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY, NOT SHOVING THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE BASED THE PRIMARY STREET AS REQUIRED BY CODE MEANS THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES DO NOT MEET COVE REQUIREMENTS. THEREFORE THE BOARD SHALL EVALUATE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF RELOCATING THE FRONT DOOR. AND AT THIS TIME, STEPH WILL TAKE QUESTIONS SO HELP ME BY I THINK YOU SAID THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. DO YOU MEAN BY THAT THE FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS NO LONGER IN THE FRONT OR YOU MEAN THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE NOW FACES THE WEST. YOU MEAN THAT ONE OCCASION? YES SO THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED A SIDE ELEVATION. THAT'S FINE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THEY THE OKAY, THAT'S OKAY GET AND THAT IS AND THAT AND THAT IS STAFFS INTERPRETATION OF SECTION THREE B TWO. THAT IN ORDER FOR THE FOUR MAIN BUILDING FACADE. TO BE ORIENTED IN THE DIRECTION THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE HAS TO HAS TO FACE AND BE VISIBLE DIRECTLY FROM THE PRIMARY STREET THAT IS CORRECT. NEED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. MY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU RELOCATE OR IF YOU RELOCATE THE DOOR TO FILL IN THAT STONE TO MAKE IT MATCH THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. THAT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD FEEL THAT INTO MATCH LIKE I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO TAKE A BIG SECTION OUT AND TRY TO PERHAPS THE APPLICANT MR PARKER COULD SPEAK IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF. FOR THE RECORD. I DON'T THINK THAT'S HONESTLY. MORE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE GETTING RECORDED PROPERLY. EVEN.OKAY NOW. OKAY VERY GOOD AGAIN. I AM TODD PARKER. UM SO THAT I SEE YOUR POINT ABOUT IN FILLING THE STONE. AND SINCE WE'RE ADDING WINDOWS THERE WERE GOING TO BE REMOVING A LOT OF THE STONE. OKAY, SO WE WOULD POTENTIALLY EITHER REPLACE THE STANDARD REUSE SOME OF THE EXISTENCE THAT IF WE CAN GET IT CLEANED UP AND FILL SILVERSTONE WOULD MATCH THE MORTAR IS THE TRICK. SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WAYS TO COMES OUT REALLY POORLY . WE CAN FIND SOME COMPANIES THAT CAN ADDRESS THAT. STAY IN THE BORDER FOR US, UM AND THEN TO THE QUESTION ABOUT RELOCATING THE FRONT DOOR. MR CIRCUSES, BUSINESSES? A. HE'S A DIAMOND DEALER JEWELER. AND SERVICE IS A SECURITY ISSUE. UM AND WHEN YOU WALK IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. NOW THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 3.5 FT TO THE STAIRCASE. SO OUR GOAL WAS TO CREATE A SPACE WHERE HE COULD HAVE A SECURE KIND OF LOBBY WAITING ROOM. AND THEN NOT HAVE SOMEBODY PLOWING INTO THE STAIR . WHEN THEY WALK IN. WE HAVE VIOLATE EVALUATED, RELOCATING THE STAIRCASE. WHICH WOULD HAVE MEANT TOTALLY REDOING THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WASN'T REALLY IN THE IN THE BUDGET. AT THIS POINT, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING, HOWEVER, BY SIMPLY DOING ADDITION AND PUTTING THE DOOR HERE, RIGHT IF YOU AND THEN YOU ENTER INTO THAT SAME SPACE AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO DO A LITTLE ADDITION
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UP FRONT, BUT YOU CAN GET THERE. THERE'S A WE'RE WITHIN REALLY LOSING THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH.THAT WAS A LITTLE ROOF THERE. I MEAN, THE OTHER IDEA WE HAD. THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE WHICH WE'VE DONE ON SOME OF THE RESIDENCES IN THE COUNTRY CLUB IS A FAKE FRONT DOOR. OKAY, SO THE STAFF HAVE A VIEW ON WHETHER AS TO WHETHER A FAKE FRONT DOOR WOULD, WOULD YOU? WHAT WOULD YOUR INTERPRETATION BE? IN THAT CASE IF IT'S A FAKE WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE REQUIREMENT IN THAT? CHECK ONE THING. FOR INSTANCE, THE POST OFFICE YEAH. YOU MEAN THE ONE I ALWAYS GO UP TO AND PULL THE DOOR ON? YES YEAH, THERE'S ANOTHER ANOTHER SECTION AND THE COMMERCIAL SECTION OF THE D G. R S AS A SECTION A EIGHT IT SAYS BUILDING SHE'LL HAVE OPERABLE AND ACTIVE FRONT DOORS LONG, ALL PUBLIC AND PRIVATE STREETS. SO I GUESS. IF IT WAS FACING IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD STILL MEET THAT OPERABLE AND ACTIVE. WOULD THERE STILL BE TWO FRONT DOORS? NO.
THE IDEA WAS YEAH, IF WE COULD COMPLY WITH CODE THAT WAY, WHICH WE'VE DONE, AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE COUNTRY CLUB. ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT THESE HUGE. ER YEAH, PARDON ME. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL D GRS WOULDN'T APPLY. UM, BUT I THINK THAT PART OF THE ZONING CODE IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESIDENT OF COMMERCIAL HE REQUIRED. UNDERWENT FACES THE STREET AND RESIDENTIAL I BELIEVE SO, YES. UM I DON'T THINK I WAS IN ATTENDANCE FOR THE SIGNAGE.
APPROVAL CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHERE THE SIGNAGE WILL BE LOCATED? IS IT ON THE BUILDING OR IS IT STANDING OUT IN FRONT? YEAH. YES THANK YOU. OH I SEE IT OVER THE WINDOWS. OKAY INSIDE, GOT IT GREW DOG, AND THERE IS A SMALL SIGNAGE OVER THE EXISTING FRONT WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE FACING GRANVILLE STREET. COULD THE DOOR GO WHERE THE TWO WINDOWS ARE FOR AN ASYMMETRICAL ENTRANCE? WELL THAT PUTS US IN THE MAIN KIND OF SHIP SHOWROOM SPACE. NO NO, NO. YOU MEAN ON THAT. I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO GO. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE? SO WHERE THE ENTRY YOU SEE WHAT? YEAH, HAVE THE DOOR HERE. I UM I GUESS I'LL WEIGH IN ON THE TOPIC OF THE DOOR. I SINCE THERE IS AN EXISTING PORCH AND SINCE THE BUILDING WILL NEVER REALLY BE EXPERIENCED THE WAY THE ELEVATIONS ARE PRESENTING IT. I THINK IT CREATES MORE OPERATIONAL CONFUSION THAN IT DOES. SOLVING A PROBLEM, TOO. IN OTHER WORDS, THE DOOR LOCATION BEING ADDRESSING THE STREET UNDER THE PORCH TO ME, SEEMS PROGRAMMATICALLY APPROPRIATE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY VISIBLE FROM A DEAD ON VIEW. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT COMING DOWN DUBLIN, GRANVILLE AND IF YOU ARE COMING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION OF DUBLIN, GRANVILLE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHETHER IT'S IN ITS OLD LOCATION OR ITS NEW LOCATION. YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO SEE IT EITHER WAY, SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO PICK UP ON THE DOOR? FOR TRAVELING. BUT I GUESS I WOULD SAY EASTBOUND, UM AND IT WOULD BE UNCHANGED. THE EXPERIENCE WOULD BE UNCHANGED EITHER WAY, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION, SO I DON'T FIND IT OBJECTIONABLE. I THINK PRESERVING THE PORCH LOCATION AND LETTING YOU GET UNDERCOVER SEEMS TO BE REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE CONDITION I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT LIGHTING WAS THAT INCLUDED OR OMITTED, OR JUST NOT RESOLVED YET FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS APPROVAL, BECAUSE MAYBE HAVING SOME FIXTURE AT THAT POINT WOULD ALSO HELP SIGNIFY POINT OF ENTRY IF IT WERE A PENDANT CEILING.
CURRENTLY RECESS CAN OKAY. YES. JASON CIRCUS THE EVENING, FOLKS , UH, THE OTHER THING, TOO, THAT I WANT TO KEEP IN MY POINT OUT ABOUT THIS NOT ONLY THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THE SECURITY PART OF IT, BUT IT WAS MY GOAL WHEN I PURCHASED THIS BUILDING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, WITH THE HERITAGE OF THE COTTAGE AND A PREVIOUS BUSINESSES OR EVEN A RESIDENCE THAT WAS IN THERE BEING 1940. SO NOT ONLY IS THIS FUNCTIONAL AND ALSO WHAT MR MALLET SAID ABOUT DRIVING BEING VISIBLE, AND I'M TOTALLY OPEN MINDED TO DO AND THE LIGHTING ASPECT OF IT, UH, BUT THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT SET UP ALSO PRESERVES THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW, TOO. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS IN MIND WHEN WE WHEN TODD AND I SAT DOWN, DESIGNERS UM I THINK I TALKED TO CHRIS SEPARATELY. DO YOU HAVE THE WAIVER STANDARDS VISIBLE THAT WE CAN PUT UP THERE? SO THE ONE THAT THAT THAT, UM. THAT I STRUGGLED WITH WAS B IN THIS CASE. SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD THAT THE APPLICANT IS ATTEMPTING TO SEEK A WAIVER FROM YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR WAIVER YET, BUT IN ORDER TO GET APPROVED, YOU'RE GONNA NEED ONE. AND, UH, LET'S SEE. AND WHAT DOES IT SAY WITHIN THE GOALS OF
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THE VILLAGE CENTER STRATEGIC PLAN, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, OKAY. UM. I'D BE HAPPIER WITH SAYING THAT'S MET IF THERE WAS A FAKE WAR BECAUSE WE CAN APPROVE THE FAKE DOOR AS PART OF THE WAIVER THAT WAY, WE'RE SEEING IT FROM THE FRONT AND ONE OFF THE SIDE THAT, BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ONE OF WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT HERE IS AGAIN TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND HELP ME, STEVE, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND. I THINK IT'S ALMOST AS LONG AS I HAVE MAYBE LONGER. BUT WE WE'VE LET SOMEBODY NOT DO THIS. I KNOW ONCE YOU KNOW RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT ON ON 605. THAT THE HOUSES THAT FACE EACH OTHER RATHER THAN FACE THE ROAD. UM AND THAT AGAIN IS THE CONTEXT, HOWEVER, OF A DEVELOPMENT. SO IF THERE WAS THEN A DEVELOPMENT HERE, WHERE THERE WAS THERE WERE FOUR BUILDINGS, TWO OF WHICH BASIS STREET, TWO OF WHICH SPACE PARKING LOT. I MOVED THOSE FRONT DOORS. THIS IS STANDALONE. AND SO I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE RELUCTANT. TO START DOWN THE PATH OF MOVING ONE OF THESE DOORS, BECAUSE THEN THE NEXT ONE COMES AND WE DID IT HERE AND ON THE OTHER HAND, IF I HAVE THE FAITH IF I HAVE TO FAKE FRONT DOOR, I THINK I CAN AT LEAST RESIST THE NEXT ONE. IT'S LIKE NO, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THIS ONE. IT'S THE NEXT ONE THAT BOTHERS ME A QUESTION. FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE THAT THE TWO HOUSES YOU REFERENCE ON 605. ARE. THE DOOR IS PART OF AN OVERALL FACADE THAT IS BYE BYE. VIRTUOUS SCALED, YOU KNOW 10 TIMES THE SCALE OF THIS, UM WHEREAS HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BECAUSE. THE DOOR IS STILL ON THE FACADE THAT ADDRESSES THE STREET VERSUS BEING TURNED 90 DEGREES TO THE WHOLE BUILDING FACADE ISN'T TURNED 90 DEGREES. JUST THE DOOR. RIGHT SO THAT'S I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE STANDARD THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MEET, BUT THEY REALLY ARE A BIT OF AN APPLES AND ORANGES FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE. BUT IF, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE WE HAVE NOT CONFRONTED. WE'VE NOT IN FRONT OF THIS. AND I'M I'M I'M AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE PRECEDENT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR AWARE OF ANY OTHER CASES WILL BE WHAT? THIS DOOR GET BACK IN THE FRONT. NO I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER, UM, BUILDINGS. EVEN THOSE LIKE THE FRONT FACADE. THERE'S STILL A FRONT DOOR AND THE HOME'S ADDRESS EACH OTHER. BUT THE FRONT DOOR STILL ON THE FACADES WERE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT DON'T HAVE A FRONT DOOR ON THE FRONT FACADE THAT ADDRESSES THE STREET. SO THE D G R IS IT CALLS FOR, UM, FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW THE STYLISTIC PRACTICES OF TRADITIONAL AMERICAN ARCHITECTURE WHERE THERE'S A FRONT DOOR THAT ADDRESSES THE STREETS, ESPECIALLY IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. I THINK THERE'S MORE SO DUE TO THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION OF THE OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT HERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN. UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING WITH THE PHOTO OR I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN. I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD GET TO BE BEING MET HERE. I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE I THINK I'M OKAY WITH C, WHICH IS THE ONE WHICH IS THE ONE THAT TYPICALLY CAUSED ITS PROBLEMS IN THE PAST, BUT BE FROM BIG GIVES ME A EXCUSE ME PAUSE. WOULD SIMPLIFY YOUR MASONRY ISSUE A LITTLE BIT TRUE. THINK IT'S REALLY WHAT WHAT? AND I GUESS, LET ME LET ME JUST PULL THE OTHER ONE. THE OTHER ISSUE I'VE GOT, WHICH IS AND I JUST AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S WE GO BACK TO THE SITE TO FROM THE PLANS OR THERE'S JUST THERE'S JUST THERE'S TWO SIDE ELEVATIONS. UH SO YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SO THE QUESTION IS , AND I KNOW WHY YOU DON'T HAVE ONE BASED UPON THE INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN. BUT DOES ANYBODY ELSE WONDER ABOUT BECAUSE THAT'S FACING BREW DOG RIGHT? WHY THERE'S A LOT OF NO WINDOWS, NOT EVEN A FULL WINDOW THERE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ELSE THAT THAT? DOES THAT BOTHER ANYBODY ELSE? I WAS GONNA BRING IT UP THAT YOU MAY HAVE LANDSCAPING PLAN THERE, TOO. IT'S A VERY IT'S PROBABLY YOUR MOST PROMINENT FACADE, RIGHT? AND IT'S RIGHT NOW. JUST YOU'VE GOT SOME FRONT L A BILL. UM TALK ELEMENTS ABOUT THE FRONT CORNER OF THE BUILDING. THEY'RE KIND OF BLOCKING, BLOCKING A STRAIGHT ON VIEW OF WHAT WAS THE DECK TO THE BACK, BUT FROM A FROM THE BREW DOG PARKING LOT AND COMING EASTBOUND AND DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD THAT'S A VERY PROMINENT FACE. THAT'S WHERE YOUR BIGGEST SIGN IS, AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ALONG THAT WHOLE. FOUNDATION THERE AT ALL. IT'S JUST SORT OF WEEDS AND GRASS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOMETHING PLANNED THERE AND THE LANDSCAPE. BEAUTIFUL OF COURSE THAT DIES AND THEN WE'RE LEFT WITH THAT, AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WE CAN'T THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT THAT DOWN THE ROAD.SO THAT I'LL TURN TO THE ARCHITECTURE. WE HAVE WATER ISSUES FROM BRU DOG TO THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TODAY, SO THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S DONE THERE, BUT
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WE'LL ADDRESS THAT LEADER. UM YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A WINDOW IN THE RESTROOM RIGHT? FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, SO I GUESS WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD A WINDOW INTO THE PACKAGING SALES. JASON IS AMENABLE TO. I'LL UM I'LL COME BACK TO MY POSITION ON THIS AND I THINK ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW. THE INTENT AND THE LETTER OF YOU KNOW THE CODE HERE, BUT THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT. PRESERVING THE. UM YOU KNOW THE ARCHITECTURAL APPROPRIATENESS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE MODIFYING WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. AND WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING DISPARAGING ABOUT THIS BUILDING, IT'S NOT ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT EXISTS MOSTLY BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT WAS PRESERVED IN A LOCATION THAT ALLOWED IT TO REMAIN, AND NOW IT HAS A FUNCTIONAL USE. THAT'S OUTLIVED ITS ORIGINAL INTENTION, WHICH WAS HOME AND I WILL. AND I DON'T WANT TO WAX. AH TO PHILOSOPHICAL HERE, BUT THERE IS A COMPONENT OF THIS THAT HAS TO DO I THINK WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND HONESTY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING, WHICH IS THERE IS A CERTAIN. MESSINESS WE ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE UM OF THE OUTLINE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES IS THE VERNACULAR STYLE, AND THIS CERTAINLY FALLS INTO THAT.AND WE'VE CERTAINLY REVIEWED OTHER BUILDINGS. UM YOU KNOW, AS A AS A COMMITTEE HERE THAT I DO HAVE SOME MESSINESS AND SLOPPINESS TO THEIR ARCHITECTURE . AND AGAIN. THIS THIS BUILDING FITS THAT BILL, SO I JUST WANT TO AIR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION THAT WE DON'T START INTRODUCING TOO MANY DISHONEST COMPONENTS. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT AS A YOU KNOW, IT'S A SLIGHT TO ANYTHING EITHER WAY, BUT IT CONCERNS ME THAT WE START ADDING TOO MANY FAKE WINDOWS AND FAKE SHUTTERS AND FAKE DOORS AND SHUTTERS AND ALWAYS SERVE TO DO IS CREATE OPERATIONAL CONFUSION AND A LITTLE BIT OF A UM, SORT OF SIMPLY A FACADE THAT HAS NOTHING BEHIND IT, SO THAT'S MY COUNTER ARGUMENT TO IT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, ALL MY COMMENTS WILL BE USELESS IF IT STILL DOESN'T MEET THE INTENT OF THE CRITERIA OF THE COLOR FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, THAT BLANK WALL DOESN'T BUCKET, PARTICULARLY GIVEN ITS ORIENTATION TO THE STREET AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T BUG ME. UM I THINK THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO SOLVE. YOU COULD DO IT A COUPLE WINDOWS WITH A CLOSED SHUTTER ON IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, A FALSE WINDOW WAS SHUTTERS CLOSED WOULD BE EASY ENOUGH SOLUTION. BUY IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME, ALTHOUGH I'D BE MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THAT THAN I WOULD BE THE FRONT DOOR ISSUE. UM, BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION. YEAH I WOULD. IF YOU DON'T MIND ME AT AN, UM SO VERY ANALYTICAL PERSON. I LIKE ORDER AND DIRECTION. ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO. AND WHAT IS THAT WE'RE DOING AND TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT ALL WANT TO PLAY BY THE RULES CONSISTENCY. FAIR PRESIDENT. I GET THAT STUFF . BUT FOR A SECOND, I WANTED STEP EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF THAT BOX AND UNDERSTAND SOMETHING HERE IS THAT, UH YOU HAVE A PIECE OF JEWELRY THAT YOU INHERITED FROM YOUR GRANDMOTHER? ALRIGHT? AND YOU TAKE IT TO THE JEWELER IN TOWN THAT YOU TRUST THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH FOR A LOT OF YEARS. AND THAT JEWELER HAS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE INSURANCE POLICY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE IS TWO SAVES THAT ARE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BREAK INTO ALL RIGHT? BUT THEN THEN POSSIBLE HAPPENS. AND OUR GRANDMA'S JOY HAS BEEN STOLEN. AND THE JURY THAT EVERYTHING HE POSSIBLY COULD PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM BREAKING INTO THAT BUILDING. AND I AND THE WINDOW THAT HE CAME THROUGH. IS LOCATED ON THE SAME SIDE AS BRUDER, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EASIEST ACCESS FOR THAT BURGLAR THAT CROW TO GET THROUGH THE BUILDING. RIGHT? SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING EMOTIONAL THAT NOBODY HAD ANY CONTROL OVER AND WE ALL DID.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ALL PLAYED BETWEEN THE LINES AND DID IT EVERYTHING EXACTLY PERFECT, BUT THAT'S STILL HAPPEN. NOW THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE SET UP REALLY REDUCE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE HAPPENED FURTHER MORE THAN THAT. YOU KNOW THE INSURANCE PLAYS A ROLE ON THIS TOO. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ACQUIRE AND ASK OF US, AND I WOULD JUST KNOW BEING IN THE BUSINESS FOR 20 YEARS THAT YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE LESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BREAK IN, THE INSURANCE IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HELP EVERYBODY AND DO ITS JOB SO ANYWAY. I JUST SAW MY THOUGHT I WOULD JUST WANT TO COMMENT. I'M A LITTLE TORN BY BEING IN ADDITION AND THAT BEING SUCH A LONG WALL WITH WITHOUT A WINDOW. THE DAUGHTER'S TAKEN AWAY. THE SIGNAGE DRAWS YOUR EYE. SOUNDS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ITS LARGE SIGNAGE AND
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RAY TO THAT. UM. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THERE'S GLASS ALL ACROSS THE BACK. BACK THE MATTER IS THAT THE USE OF WHAT YOU PLAN TO USE IT FOR DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO NEW YORK POTENTIAL REVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. LET'S GO WALL OF GLASS ALONG THE BACK OF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET IN. THEY'RE GOING TO GET IN. I WOULD GUESS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EITHER WINDOW. SOME DETAIL WHETHER IT BE A SHUTTERED WINDOW PANEL. YEAH I THINK THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE AT THAT LOCATION IN PARTICULAR WOULD MAKE IT PRETTY PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT LOCATION AND BREAK INTO UM BE INVOLVED SIGHT OF ALL THE ACTIVITY ON DUBLIN. YEAH YEAH, VERY VISIBLE AND PRETTY HIGH OFF THE GROUND. I SO INTEGRATION I'M I AGREE WITH THE . I DON'T LIKE THE FALSE DOOR OPTION, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO ANYMORE. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE IN ONE WAY. I'M STILL TRYING TO GET, UM THOUGH I'M RELUCTANT HEADING DOWN THE ROAD OF ALLOWING THIS TO MOVE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET CAUGHT THE NEXT TIME. YEAH I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND SOME WAY. TO AVOID ME HAVING TO GET THERE BUT I, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN FIND TO GET THERE. AND SO THE QUESTION IS THE OTHER WAY TO GET THERE IS TO IS THE AD RIGHT? AND PUT THE DOOR, YOU KNOW, FILL IN BY IDEA THAT THAT'S FAITHFUL.YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY SLIGHTLY MORE OF AN AND THAT YOU COULD DO AN AUDIENCE OR SOMETHING. WE CAN IMPROVE AN AUDIENCE OUT FRONT. OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAVE THAT TO STAFF SO PEOPLE ARE COVERED? I BUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THERE'S AS YOU SAID, THERE'S NOTHING THIS IS A ELY HOUSE COULD FILL THAT IN AND PUT IT ON AND SO WITH RESPECT TO THE DOOR. WELL I THINK I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF PUTTING SOME KIND OF ARTICULATION ON THAT BLANK WALL, EVEN IF IT'S A FALSE SHUTTER WINDOW, ETCETERA, UM AND I AGREE THAT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE AND THE RIGHT MOVE ON THE FRONT. NO HUMOR INTENDED HERE. BUT WHAT IS WHAT IS THE CITY'S DEFINITION OF A DOOR? I DON'T KNOW IF WE TECHNICALLY DEFINED WHAT A DOOR IS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE DETAILS WOULD NEED TO BE IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, QUALIFIED PEDESTRIAN. IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, THE FRONT DOOR IS EMINENTLY VISIBLE. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SEE IT, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT THAT'S WHY I WAS GOOD WITH IT FROM THE START, IT'S STILL ON THE FRONT FACADE SPEAK. IT'S RIGHT THERE FOR SOMEBODY TO WALK UP TO. IT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. YEAH SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT JOHN'S SAYING WAS SORT OF NOT SETTING IN PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION WAS REALLY MORE IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PUT SOME KIND OF REPRESENTATION OF THE DOOR. WHAT IS THAT REALLY CONSTITUTE? I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE HAVE COULD BE A MOUSE STORE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD APPROVE THAT WITH RESPECT TO OUR CHARGES, BOARD MEMBERS, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS THERE BECAUSE I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND. NOT WANTING TO OPEN UP THE DOOR TO ALLOWING PRESIDENT IN A CASE WHERE IT COULD HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE AVOIDED. SO I'M I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE HEARING OUR CONCERNS, WHICH IS? YEAH A PRESIDENTIAL CONCERN, WHICH I REALIZED THAT ALAN AND I WERE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE COUNTRY CLUB TOGETHER FOR YEARS. AND WE HAD SO MANY SOLUTIONS FOR US THAT THE WELL IT IS JUST LEAVING IT THE WAY YOU MEAN. JASON AND I DISCUSSED IT TODAY. I SAID, YOU KNOW IT BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT AND THE CODE. THAT THIS IS PROBABLY. OUR POTENTIAL ON THE ISSUE OF GETTING THIS APPROVAL, SO YOU KNOW THE IDEA OF PUTTING LEAVING A DOOR THERE THAT IS INOPERABLE. TO SATISFY THE CODE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED. IT'S NOT FIRST CHOICE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S ALSO HE'S GOT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE STRUCTURE AND WE WENT FORWARD SO HE CAN MOVE IN THERE AND JEWELRY. SO YOU'RE KEEPING YOUR NEW DOOR WHERE YOU GOT PROPOSED MAKES COMPLETE SONS UNDER THE UNDER THE EXISTING PORCH MHM. IT'S A FUDGE, BUT I LIKE IT BETTER THAN IS THAT AN OPPRESSIVE? NO, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. AND IN CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW THE DOORS THE HALF LIGHT DOOR. SO WE COULD MAKE THE TO MATCH AND GIVEN THIS YOU KNOW, HAVE ONE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, OF COURSE. AND YOU CAN HAVE IT CAN BE. YOU CAN HAVE ALL BUT THIS. I'M ASSUMING YOU COULD DO THIS TREATMENT THAT THAT THEY DO IT. HUDSON, WHERE YOU. YOU CAN'T SEE HIM. YEAH YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I
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MEAN, CERTAINLY A BRUISE OUT OR IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE CLASS IN IT COULD JUST BE A SOLID PANEL FALSE, YOU KNOW, FALSE STORE THAT'S APPLIED TO THE FACADE. ANOTHER THOUGHT. WHAT IF YOU ANGLED SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY FACING THE FRONT STREET, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT FACING IF YOU ANGLED YOU'RE TRYING TO BLUR THE LINES, AREN'T YOU? YEAH YEAH. YEAH THERE REALLY IS GOING TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS. DIDN'T WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE, ARCHITECTURALLY? HMM I CAN'T. I WOULD SAY THAT. I MEAN , IT'S STILL PINK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONSIDERING FACING THE FRONT STREET. IT IS A LITTLE MORE RATHER GO TO THE VICTIM TO ALTER THE PORCH. IT'S RATHER GO TO THE FAKE DOOR. YEAH I DO KNOW THAT THE AIR B HAS APPROVED BIG DOORS BEFORE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE USED AND WAS ONE, MAYBE TWO LOCATIONS ON THE MARKET AND MAIN BUILDING, UM HEALEY GALLERY AND HUDSON 29 IS LOCATED THAT THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING . FAKE WINDOWS ON THAT THOSE ELEVATIONS AS YOU GO DOWN. THAT'S A MARKET, RIGHT? MM STREETS, STREET THAT GOES DOWN IN FRONT OF ALL THAT, UM I'D GO THERE. IT'S PROBABLY THE. AND SO CLEANEST DISCUSSION. SO I PRESUME THE JETS THAT THAT WE TRY TO PREPARE. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE AGAIN, IT. I WORRY ABOUT THE STATE OF YOU KNOW, IN IN A WORLD WHERE OUR STANDARD FOR WAIVER IS, YOU ASK NICELY, AND YOU'RE POLITE. GO FOR IT WHERE I GOTTA FACE THE NEXT GUY WHO WANTS ONE. THAT'S WHY COUNCIL GAVE US THOSE STANDARDS. AND I THINK I THINK I GOT A BE TRUE TO THEM. OTHERWISE I'M GONNA THEN SORT OF PRESIDENT THAT I DON'T THAT I DON'T WANT SO UM. I AGREE WITH YOU, JOHN BE IN FAVOR OF NOT OPERABLE. FRONT DOOR. YEAH. HAVE SOME. SOME SORT OF PANEL ON THE EAST SIDE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OPERABLE, RIGHT? WE COULD DO IT OKAY WITH STAFF APPROVAL IN THAT BOTH OF THOSE SO WITH EXPLAIN TO JASON WHAT THAT MEANS. WHEN. YOU GUYS GIVE ME WHAT I WANT INSIDE . ACH! FAIR ENOUGH COUNCIL. SO THERE WE GO, SO WE'LL COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION ON A INOPERABLE FRONT DOOR AND SOME SOLUTION. THE EAST ELEVATION, PROBABLY IN A SIMILAR FASHION PREGNANT. GOOD. YEAH UNFORTUNATELY, THE MONEY OF FAKE DOORS AND WINDOWS HERE IN NEW OPERATOR. HEAVEN NICE FAKE DOORS . THERE ARE PLENTY OF WINDOWS IN NEW ALBANY. THAT ARE REAL WINDOWS. BLINDS INSIDE DRYWALL DRYWALL ON THE OTHER SIDE. VERY TRUE. VERY TRUE. ALRIGHT YEAH, YOU CAN TELL ME. NO NO. THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME NOW? I'M LIKE WE'RE READY FOR EMOTION . THANK YOU. YES, LET'S HAVE A MOTION. I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF A RB 75 2023 WITH THE ADDED CONDITIONS THAT ONE INOPERABLE FRONT DOOR BE ADDED IN THE LOCATION OF THE CURRENT OPERABLE FRONT DOOR. AND TO THAT A EITHER A WINDOW OR A NON OPERABLE WINDOW WITH SHUTTERS. THAT IS, IN FACT, NOT A WINDOW. BE THERE ON THE THAT IS THE EAST FACADE. THE ATTITUDE USEFUL SIDE. SO MOVED I'LL SECOND. MR EATON. MR MALLETS? YES BROWN? YES. MISS MOORE. MR HENSON? YES. I HAVE FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS. GOOD LUCK. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU . VERY, VERY NICELY. PRICE PRESENTATION. ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD, THEN FROM STAFF. THE COMMENTS FROM OUR[VIII. Poll members for comment]
ESTEEMED MEMBERS, ALWAYS A DELIGHT TO SEE ALL OF US WELCOME OUR COUNCIL MEMBER BACK FROM HER CAMPAIGN TRIP, WHICH LOOKS FASCINATING, AND I'M VERY IMPRESSIVE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO ADD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE OF MY FAVORITES. YEAH I SAW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROLEX STATION, SO I'M EXAM. EXCITED, VERY EXCITED. YEAH HOW BIG IS THAT[00:35:06]
NEW? BIG ONE. I HEARD. IT'S TOO BIG. THE NEW, UM, ROLEX EMPHASIZES. IT'S BIG. THAT'S A HURRY. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT MORE. ALRIGHT UH, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN ALL SECOND MR HENSON MALLARDS? YES, YES. MR BROWN? YES VOTES IN FAVO* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.