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CALL ORDER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH. 2023 COME HERE THE ROLE, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY MR. WALLACE PRESENT MR SCHELL PRESENT, MISS BRIGGS HERE, MR LARSON. COUNCIL MEMBER DURIC. HERE HERE. WE HAVE FOUR BODY MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. ITEM
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THREE IS ACTUALLY ON THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST. 21ST I MIGHT COMPLIMENTS DEATH ON GETTING BOOKMARKS INTO THE PDF THAT MAKES IT FAR EASIER TO GET PLACES IN THE PDF, PARTICULARLY WHEN OUR MINUTES PICK UP HALF OF THE PDF. I HAD NO ACTUAL CORRECTIONS OTHERS DONE HERE.NONE FOR ME. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? TO GET APPROVED THE MINUTES FROM MONDAY. I WAS 21ST 2023 MEETING. YOU HEAR A 2ND 2ND? DISCUSSION. THE MOTION. MR SCHELL, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR WALLACE. SUBSTANCES. I MISSED THE MEETING. MR KIRBY. I HAVE THREE VOTES IN FAVOR. TWO OF
[IV. Additions or corrections to agenda]
APPROVING THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. THANKS MR ITEM FOR ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA. WHAT? EVERYONE WISHING TO SPEAK THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE.DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO REACH FOR YOUR PHONE IN SILENCE YOUR PHONE INSIDE. ITEM FIVE ON OUR AGENDA IS HEARING A VISITOR FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH VISITORS? WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE TO CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA AND GO AHEAD. UM THE FIRST ONE IS WE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE. SEE YOU 78 2023 FROM THE AGENDA. UH AFTER FURTHER REVIEW OF THE APPLICANTS. PROPOSAL IT WAS DEEMED THAT THE CONDITIONAL USES NOT ACTUALLY REQUIRED, SO WE JUST WANT TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE AGENDA AND THEN, UM. FOR THE FDP 84 2023, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO TABLE THAT ITEM UNTIL THE OCTOBER MEETING, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TABLE IT NOW. OR IF YOU WANT TO WAIT AND TABLE IT IN THE ORDER. IT IS ON THE AGENDA. WE DO HAVE SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS HOPING TO SPEAK TO THAT APPLICATION. SO IF YOU TABLE IT NOW HE WOULD JUST NEED TO SPEAK DURING, UM, HEARING OF VISITORS FOR ITEMS, NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. AND IF YOU DECIDE TO TABLE IT LATER THAN HE WOULD WAIT TILL THE END OF THE MEETING, TOO. SPEAK TO THE ITEMS FOR THE RECORD, WHAT MAKES IT EASIER TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS GET INTO THE RECORD? I WOULD SAY IF YOU JUST WANT TO MOVE IT TO THE TOP OF THE AGENDA, SO IT'S THE FIRST APPLICATION AND THEN THE BOARD CAN TAKE OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN DECIDE TO TABLE AND TAKE FURTHER ACTION. OKAY LET'S DO THAT APPROPRIATE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A CASE THAT'S BEING TABLED WHEN THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS OR EVEN HEAR THEM SO HE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT AN ITEM. UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE. UH FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS AGAIN WHEN THE APPLICANTS HERE SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND AND HAVE A FULL PICTURE, BUT HE'S CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE REQUEST BEFORE THE COMMISSION WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO SPEAK AT THAT POINT. I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT ALL WE AT LEAST ALL I SAW IN MY PACKET WAS NOTIFICATION THAT THE CASE WAS GOING TO BE TABLED. SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE SEEN ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE ON THE CASE , EITHER. SO I'M NOT SURE ANY COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WOULD HAVE WE WOULD BE EVEN I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE EVEN THE COMMISSIONER COULD REACT. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. MOVE THE TABLE. F D P 84. DID YOU MAKE A MOTION OR YOU'RE REQUESTING A MOTION REQUESTING A MOTION MOVED TABLE FDP 84 2023. TO THE I BELIEVE IT'S THE OCTOBER 16TH 2023. MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO TABLE IN THE ROOM, MR WALLACE. YES YES, MR. KIRBY MR
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SHELL. I HAVE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO TABLE RETURN TO HEARING THE VISITORS.[V. Hearing of visitors for items not on tonight's agenda]
SO THAT MEANS IT'S NO LONGER ON OUR AGENDA. GREG, YOU'RE UP. I HAVE FOUR CARDS FOR MOUNTAIN.OKAY DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT TO HOLD IT TILL OCTOBER? UM I'LL TAKE THREE SECONDS TO GET OUT TO THE MIC, PLEASE. WHEN I WAS HERE. I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS AGO WHEN YOU WERE A PROVING THAT YOU'RE DEAD. UM, I'M GREG MONSTER. I OWN THE WEALTH CENTER NEW ALBANY, 9835 JOHNSTOWN ROAD, FORMERLY THE KEY BANK. UH UM. I'LL LEAVE SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF OUT OF IT. BUT THE CHIPOTLE I BELIEVE HE'S ASKING FOR MORE CURB CUTS FOR ACCESS AND EGRESS, WHICH, WHEN YOU WERE APPROVING OF YOU GUYS WERE KIND OF QUESTIONING WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW WOULD BE ANY POPPED INTO MY OFFICE GENERAL THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO, ASKING IT WAS ALMOST AN UNINTELLIGIBLE CONVERSATION BUT ASKING FOR A CURVED CUTS AGAIN. WHERE THEY AREN'T WHERE I HAVE TO GIVE APPROVAL, AND, UM, I TRIED TO WORK THAT OUT WITH HIM A WHILE AGO. UM, I GUESS I WOULD. ASK YOU GUYS TO BE VERY SENSITIVE AND CAREFUL IN CONSIDERING WHAT IS ASKING FOR, AND, UM I'D ALSO BROUGHT UP THAT THE ASSOCIATION SHOULD MAYBE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THOSE PRIVATE ACCESS ROADS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REALLY GONNA BE PRIVATE ANYMORE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE FULL THOROUGHFARES, BASICALLY AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE REALLY WHERE TO GO WITH THAT AT THIS POINT. UM YOU SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PRIVATE. ARE THEY GOING TO BE DEEDED OVER TO THE VILLAGE OR THEY? THERE'S NO DEFEATING. BUT RIGHT NOW I OWN HALF AND HE OWNS HALF AND IS RESPONSIBLE, BUT HE'LL BE ALL THE TRAFFIC ON IT. UH WHICH COMES DOWN TO PLOWING MAINTENANCE REPAIR, YOU KNOW, AND THE CUT THROUGH WITH ALL THE BEAUTIFICATION HAPPENING, IT'S GOING TO DRIVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT LITTLE ROUND ABOUT UM, NEXT TO BLUE AGAVE. AND WHAT'S ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY, SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING MORE THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT. AS THE CITY'S GROUND, SO I YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH WITH HIM. ALTHOUGH I DON'T . TRUST HIM, HE SAID. I'LL WORK AROUND YOU. I'LL DO. I'LL GET WHAT I WANT TYPE OF STUFF, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO YOU KNOW? HAVE A VOICE. SO THAT'S IT. UM WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU IN OCTOBER. IF THAT'S OKAY AND, UM, BRING AS MUCH PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU NEED TWO THINGS LIKE THAT'S A THE AGREEMENTS ON CURB CUTS AND WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. YEAH, THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THINGS TO BRING IN HERE, PERHAPS POINT OUT TO STAFF ASKING FOR MULTIPLE, LIKE KIND OF GET THE CURB CARD, AND THEN HE WAS OFTEN JUST SOME OTHER PIECE OF THE CONVERSATION. AND HE'S LIKE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. I'M LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ME FOR? UM SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER. HE IS A SEASON ONE, SO I KNOW I'M A LITTLE CAUTIOUS. THAT'S ALL. AND I'LL BRING WHATEVER I NEED AT THAT TIME AND COORDINATE WITH STAFF SO THAT EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND IT MAKES THE RECORD PROPERLY. THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. TAKES US TO
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OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. FINAL LEVEL PLAN THAT 7 77 2023. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? THANK YOU CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. IF IT'S OKAY WITH ALL OF YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS APPLICATION AND THE VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION IS ONE. THANK YOU.GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED 4000 SQUARE FOOT CMI CREDIT UNION AND CRIMSON CUP COFFEE SHOP. WITH DRIVE THROUGHS, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BEACH ROAD AND SMITH'S MILL ROAD. THERE IS AN APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN A MASTER LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE AREA. THE APPLICANTS LANDSCAPE PLAN MEETS ALL OF THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR INTERNAL SITE, BUT REVISIONS ARE NEEDED TO BE MADE FOR BOTH QUANTITY AND DESIGN FURTHER REQUIRED LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. AND FOR THE REQUIRED STREET TREES STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THE SITE IS ACCESSED FROM ONE FULL CURB CUT ALONG EACH CROSSING NEAR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THE SITE LAYOUT CONSISTS OF ONE WAY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC TRAVELING
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COUNTERCLOCKWISE AROUND THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING'S ORIENTATION RESULTS IN THE APPLICANT APPLYING FOR THREE VARIANCES. THE FIRST VARIANCE IS TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE ACTIVE AND HONORABLE DOORS ON BEACH CROSSING AND SMITH'S MILL ROAD, NOT HAVING AN ACTIVE FRONT DOOR ON A PRIVATE DRIVE LIKE BEACH CROSSING IS A COMMON REQUEST.AND NOT HAVING AN ACTIVE FRONT DOOR ALONG A PROMINENT PUBLIC STREET, LIKE SMITH'S MILL IS SOMETHING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HISTORICALLY NOT SUPPORTED. THE SECOND VARIANCE IS TO ALLOW DUMPSTERS TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ALONG SMITH'S MILL ROAD. AND THE THIRD VARIANCES TO ALLOW DRIVE THRU MENU BOARD SIGNED TO BE VISIBLE FROM SMITH'S MILL ROAD.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE APPLICANTS PROPOSED BUILDING ORIENTATION. THE DESIGN ITSELF DOES MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS TO BE BRICK , WHICH IS A PERMITTED AND DESIRED BUILDING MATERIAL. PRESENT ZONING TEXT. HOWEVER THE ONLY ACTIVE UH, FRONT DOOR IS FACING BEACH ROAD AND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL UH, ELEMENT OR THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND ITS STEP BACK FROM THE FRONT TO SIDE ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THE DRIVE THROUGH MANY BOARDS SIGN IS ON THE NORTH SIDE FACING SMITH'S MILL ROAD, AND THIS ELEVATION APPEARS TO BE MORE OF THAT OF A TYPICAL BACK OF THE HOUSE WITH EQUIPMENT SUCH AS UTILITY BOXES , METERS AND SERVICE STORE. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED INFORMATION ON, UM THE SIGN THE MENU BOARD SIGN AS FAR AS DIMENSIONS, WHETHER IT IS DIGITAL OR WHETHER IT MEETS CODE REQUIREMENTS. CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT THESE DESIGN SPECIFICATION, BUT REGARDLESS, IT IS STILL, UM, GOING TO NECESSITATE A VARIANCE DUE TO WHERE IT'S LOCATED. THE CITY'S DESIGN CONSULTANT, MK SK REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL AND IT'S NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUILDING ORIENTATION. DUE TO THE PROMINENT LOCATION AND HIGH VISIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE MENU BOARD SIDE DOES NOT FACE SMITH'S MILK OR BEACH ROAD. THAT THE DUMPSTERS NOT BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ALONG SMITH'S MILL OR BEACH ROAD. AND THAT THEY WOULD BE ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOORS ALONG SMITH SMELL AND BEAT ROAD. THE DIAGRAM ON THE SCREEN CONTAINS RECOMMENDED PROVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN TO ENSURE THE BUILDING IS APPROPRIATELY ORIENTED TO THE PUBLIC STREETS. MK SK RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ROTATE THE BUILDING 90 DEGREES COUNTERCLOCKWISE AT THE DRIVE. THRU IS LOCATED. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I'M NOT AND NOT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A SHARED DRIVE WITH THE WESTERN ADJOINING PROPERTY HERE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND A LINE THE BUILDING AND PARKING. TO MATCH THE EXISTING NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH. ALL OF THESE CHANGES HELP ACHIEVE THE IMPORTANT CONSISTENCY. AND COHESIVENESS ALONG THE PUBLIC CORRIDOR. M K S . K IS ALSO RECOMMENDING RELOCATING THE DUMPSTER AND LOADING AREA TO THE INTERIOR OF THIS SITE OUT OF VIEW OF TRAFFIC FROM BEACH AND SMITH'S MILL ROADS. AND ADDING A SECOND DOORWAY. HE USED THAT THERE ARE ENTRANCES ALONG SMITH'S MILL ROAD AND BE TROUT. THE REVISED PLAN ALLOWS FOR THE SAME SITE CIRCULATION PATTERN. AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE REDESIGNING THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. THIS SLIDE REFLECTS THE STAFF RECOMMENDED ORIENTATION. AND, UH, KS KS REVISED SITE PLANS, SUGGESTIONS THE MENU BOARD SIGN AND ALL OF THE TYPICAL BACK OF THE HOUSE EQUIPMENT WOULD NOW FACE TOWARDS THE WEST. THE ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE AND ALL OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE MORE
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TYPICAL FOR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD NOW FACE BEACH ROAD. SO THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT CONTAINS THE ONE ENTRANCE COULD BE MODIFIED, UM, DOING AWAY WITH SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS AND TURNING THAT INTO THE SECOND ENTRANCE FACING BEACH ROAD AND THE FIRST EXISTING ENTRANCE WOULD STILL FACE TOWARDS SMITH'S MILL. THE DRIVE THRU PICKUP WINDOW AND FACE THE SOUTH TOWARDS THE EXISTING DUKE AND DUCHESS AND THE EXIT EXISTING LIKE I SAID, ACTIVE, OPERABLE DOOR AND THE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS WOULD FACE NORTH TOWARDS SMITH'S MILL ROAD. IN SUMMARY THE PROPOSED USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO STATE ROUTE 1 61 AND THE NEW ALBANY INTERNATIONAL BUILDING PARK. WHILE THEY USED APPEARS TO BE APPROPRIATE. THE BUILDING IS PROTOTYPICAL AND FUNCTION AND LAYOUT. AND JUST NOT APPEAR TO BE APPROPRIATELY ORIENTED ON THIS SITE. THE BUILDING ORIENTATION DEVIATES FROM THE NEW ALBANY PRINCIPAL PLANNING STANDARDS FOUND IN THE CITY CODES AND PLANS THAT RESULT IN THE THREE VARIANCES. PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER STRUCTURES WITH REGARD TO THEIR VISUAL IMPACT. THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING HAS VISUAL IMPACT ON PUBLIC STREETS, ROTATING THE BUILDING, AS STAFF SUGGESTS WOULD RESULT IN THE BUILDINGS. TWO STORY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE TO BE APPROPRIATELY POSITIONED ON THE SITE. PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HISTORICALLY APPROVED RETAIL SITES WITH OPERABLE AND ACTIVE FRONT DOORS ALONG PRIMARY STREETS AND HAVE ONLY APPROVED MENU BOARDS SIGNS TO BE LOCATED ON SIDES OF THE BUILDING OR PRIVATE DRIVES. LOCATING THE MENU BOARD SIGN AND DUMPSTER IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ALONG SMITH'S MILL ROAD IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE IMMEDIATE RETAIL DESIGN PATTERN OR OTHER RETAIL AREAS IN NEW ALBANY.SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. WHICH INCLUDES REVISING THIS SITE PLAN TO MEET EM KS KS COMMENTS RESULTING IN THE BUILDING REORIENTATION AND WITH THAT STUFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. QUICK QUESTION ON THE CONDITIONS GIVEN THE STAFF REPORT. UM. THE OTHER IS SO THE LANDSCAPE ITEM TO LANDSCAPE ALSO INCLUDES. LETTER D E PORT THREE. IMPEACH. SIX SO THOSE DON'T WANT THAT CONDITIONS THAT IS EXPECTED TO PICK UP THAT TEXT. HE SAID WHICH LETTER AGAIN I'M SORRY ON PAGE SIX CAPITAL D THREE, COMPARED TO CONDITION TWO. IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE CONDITION IS TO PICK UP THAT TEXT. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT, OK? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME NUMBERS AND I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE'S A REASON WHY IT DIDN'T PICK UP THE NUMBERS OR THIS IS JUST A SHORT FORM OF ALL THE STUFF WE JUST POINTED OUT. I THINK IT'S JUST A SHORT FORM, BUT YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND. JUST ADD IF TO ADD CLARITY TO THE CONDITION WHEN MAKING A MOTION. THANK YOU. ENGINEERING. SORRY DEFERRING TO EXHIBIT A REVISED THE REFERENCE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO INCLUDE THE SIGNATURE BLOCK AND ADD ALL NOTE BLOCKS. REFERRING TO SHEETS C 1.00 AND C 2.00 SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE STOP BAR AND STOP SIGN AT THE CURB, CUT AND PROVIDE A CROSSWALK AND SIGNAGE THAT MEETS 88 REQUIREMENTS.
REFERRING TO SHE 1.00 PROVIDE SIGHT DISTANCE TRIANGLES AT THE CURB, CUT AND EVALUATE SIGHT DISTANCE RELATIVE TO EXISTING AND PROPOSED LANDSCAPING. PROVIDE FIRE TRUCK TURNING RADIUS ANALYSIS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH CODE SECTION 1159.07 B THREE SECTIONS E AND A PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION INDICATING THAT ALL O P E A OR A C O E ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND WE WILL EVALUATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WATER DISTRIBUTION, SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION AND RAILWAY CONSTRUCTION RELATED DETAILS. ONE ONCE CONSTRUCTION PLANS BECOME AVAILABLE. QUICK QUESTION, SAYS POTENTIAL ENCROACHMENT. ON SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS. NEAR THE CORNER. IT'S SMITH, MYLAN. EACH. POTENTIAL ENCROACHMENT. THE POTENTIAL ENCROACHMENT. YOU THINK THAT'S
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UM IN RELATION TO THE SIGHT DISTANCE TRIANGLES DIDN'T KNOW ENCROACHMENT CAUGHT MY EYE AND I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE MARKETING SAYS. WHAT ARE WE BEING TOLD HERE AND WAS ENCROACHING. DO WE NEED VARIANCES? ETCETERA IT'S ACTUALLY TO THE MIC NAME AND ADDRESS. FIRST BRIAN WELLARD FROM ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN GROUP CIVIL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT ON THE PROJECT. IN THE. NOTE IS ACTUALLY FROM THE ORIGINAL ALTA SURVEY HAS PERFORMED ON THE LOCATION AND SEXUAL, NOTING THE SIDEWALK EXISTING SIDEWALK THERE WAS PUT IN PART WAY OVER THE LINE ON THE FRONT OF BEACH ROAD CROSSING. SO THE NOTE IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT BECAUSE UPON CONSTRUCTION WILL EXTEND THAT SIDEWALK. IT JUST THEY STOPPED IT NEAR WHERE THE NEW DRIVEWAY WOULD GO, AND IT WAS NOTED THAT AS AN ENCOURAGEMENT THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. NOT PROFESSIONAL AT READING THESE, BUT IT CAUGHT MY EYE AND I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE TEXT ANYWHERE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT CAN I ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION? JUST MAKE SURE MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING SOMETHING, IF THE APPLICANT AGREES TO SHIFT THE BUILDING AS RECOMMENDED AM I CORRECTED VARIANCES ARE NO LONGER NEEDED. IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY DO AWAY WITH ALL OF THE VARIANCES EXCEPT WITH REGARD TO THE ACTIVE AND OPERABLE FRONT DOORS. TECHNICALLY THEY HAVE, UM . THREE SMITHS MILL BEACH ROAD AND BEACH CROSSING. SO TECHNICALLY, THEY WOULD STILL NEED THE VARIANTS TO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE AND OPERABLE FRONT DOOR FACING BEACH CROSSING, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS APPROVED BEFORE, BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD AND NOT A PUBLIC PROMINENT STREET. THANK YOU. WE'RE FROM THE APPLICANT, PLEASE. I THINK IT'S YOUR TIME TO GIVE ANY PRESENTATION YOU WISH TO GIVE. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. HMM.REALIZED. AS YOU CAN SEE THE ALTERNATE BETWEEN. I'LL GIVE IT A MINUTE. AND I NOTED, THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN JUST BLOWING UP OVER LARGER AND NOTES, ALL THREE VARIANCES. WE ARE AWARE. OH, PERFECT. THANK YOU, SIR. AND WE ARE AWARE OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS AND AFTER DOING ANALYSIS OF TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ON THE SITE WE CAME ACROSS, UH, SEVERAL ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVE. THE WAY THE PARCEL IS SHAPED WITH THE DRIVEWAY IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. IT MAKES ACCESSING THE DRIVE THROUGH MORE DIFFICULT, CUMBERSOME. AND CAN CAUSE. SOME PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ISSUES AS WELL AND SAFETY CONCERNS. THIS ALREADY REFERENCED AS THE MK SK PROPOSED LAYOUT. UM, I MADE A FEW NOTES. TWO. REVIEW DISCUSSED STARTED INTO IN DEPTH AND WHY WE DIDN'T STAY WITH THIS ROTATION. THIS DOES REQUIRE NEW BUILDING AND FLOOR PLAN, IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL CHANGES DUE TO TWO PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS BEING PROVIDED ON HAPPENS THAT ANSWER THE BUILDING. THE STORES OFFER A COFFEE SHOP, BUT IT STILL IS CMI AND STORES, A BANK AND MOST BANKS DO NOT HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES INTO THEM. DUE TO LAYOUT AND SAFETY CONCERNS ON THE BANKS. SOME MAY HAVE AN EMPLOYEE ENTRANCE, BUT THEY HAVE A PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND THAT'S THE LAYOUT BEFORE PLAYING. THEY'RE HOPING TO STICK WITH, OKAY IN THE BANK THAT HAS TWO DOORS DOWN THAT WAY, HAS EXACTLY MULTIPLE HAS MULTIPLE ENTRANCES, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT GO AHEAD. CAN YEAH, THIS IS THEIR PROTOTYPE. THEIR INTENT IS TO STICK WITH THIS PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND JUST HAVE A CERTAIN SENTENCE IN THE REAR. SO I WAS LOOKING AROUND JUST KIND OF SNOOPING THROUGH AND GOOGLE EARTH LOOKING AT DIFFERENT BANKS TRYING TO FIND MORE AND THE MAJORITY THAT I CAME ACROSS IN THE REGION, ESPECIALLY WHERE SINGLE ENTRANTS OR IF THEY DID HAVE A SECOND AREA ENTRANCE. SEVERAL OF THEM WERE FALSE. FALSE FRIENDS, AND THEN THEY HAD AN EMPLOYEE ENTRANCE AROUND HERE. THE 24 PARKING SPOTS LOCATED IN BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO THOSE WOULD BE NEAR THE EMPLOYEE ENTRANCE AND TO ENTER IN ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCES AND IN THIS SCENARIO TO THE PRIMARY ENTRANTS IN SOUTHEAST CORNER WOULD REQUIRE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO CIRCULATE THE ENTIRE SITE TO COME BACK AROUND, WHICH WOULD ALSO LEAD TO MANY PEOPLE. JUST CUTTING THROUGH THE DRIVE THRU IS TO GET TO THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE. THIS ALSO IMPLIED A NEW OUTDOOR DINING AREA, WHICH WAS NOWHERE. IN OUR PROTOTYPE FOR OUR APPLICATION. THIS INTERFERES
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IMMEDIATELY WITH THIS WOULD BE IN THE NEW PRIMARY ENTRANCE. AND IF YOU SEE IN OUR DRAWING THE PRIMARY ENTRANCES FACING EAST THIS WOULD BE FACING DOWN NORTH THROUGH THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA.SO WOULD REQUIRE NEW FOUR PLANNED NEW BUILDING LAYOUT TO MAKE THIS FUNCTIONAL. IT REDUCES SIX FRONT TOUCH AND A TOTAL OF 16 CONSUMER SPOTS WITH ACCESS TO THE STORE. THIS GOES BACK TO NUMBER TWO THAT THE PRIMARY PARKING IS LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE BUILDING. INACCESSIBLE DUMPSTER. THIS WOULD REQUIRE CIRCULATION OF THE TRASH TRUCK TO COME INTO THE SITE WHILE AT THE SAME TIME SHOWING HOPE. SHOWING THE INTENT, THE TRAFFIC IS TO FLOW NORTHEAST AND CIRCULATE AROUND THE PARKING THE TRASH TRUCK WOULD BE COMING INTO THAT DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC FLOW.
ASSUMING THIS HAPPENS TO THE DAY IF THOSE PARKING SPOTS ARE USED. THE TRASH TRUCK IS INCAPABLE OF MAKING THIS TURN. THE REMOTE VOTING SPACES LOCATED SOUTH OF OUR BUILDING. IF I EMPLOYEE ENTRANCE IS LOCATED UP HERE, THE EMPLOYER WILL HAVE TO CROSS THE PARKING LOT EACH ROW OF DRIVE THROUGH. TO GET TO THE LOADING SPACE DOWNLOAD ANY TRUCKS. I HAVEN'T CONFIRMED WHAT THE DELIVERY TIMEFRAME WOULD BE WHETHER THEY'RE DOING THIS OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS. BEING A COFFEE SHOP. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DOING THAT IN THE EVENING, BUT IT IS A CONCERN.
MORE PAYMENT LESS ROOM FOR LANDSCAPING WERE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO HIT CODE. WITH HOW MUCH LANDSCAPING IS REQUIRED ON THIS SITE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I BELIEVE I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 60 TO 70 TREES LOCATED ON SITE EXPAND PAVEMENT EVEN LARGER AND WE CONTINUE TO PAY FOR MORE OF THIS REGION. WE'RE GONNA HAVE LESS AND LESS SPACE FOR ANY OF THIS LANDSCAPING. THIS JOINED DR . IS LIMITING THEIR CURVED CUTS TO JUST THIS ACCESS, WHICH WOULD HAVE REGARDLESS. THIS REALLY IS FOR AND THIS IS ON A PRIVATE DRIVE. WE SPOKE WITH NICO AS WELL AND THEY WERE NOT ON BOARD WITH MAKING THIS A COMBINED ENTRANCE. THEIR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE CURB CUTS WERE GRANTED ON SMITH'S MILL AND BEACH CROSSING TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THIS PRIVATE DRIVE THAT THEN THEY WOULD CONTROL THE CURB CUT LOCATIONS ALONG THE PRIVATE DRIVES. THIS SPOT IMMEDIATELY WEST OF US IN THE I P U D S UN ENCODED IS ACTUALLY GRANTED TO DIFFERENT CURB CUTS. ONE FACING STOP AND ONE FACING WEST ONTO THAT PRIVATE DRIVE.
WHICH WOULD LEAVE US WITH A JOINT PRIZE WHEN EVERY OTHER PARCEL INSIGHT HAS MULTIPLE ENTRANCES. THE TACO BELL THAT WAS JUST GRANTED LOCATED TO THE WEST HAS MULTIPLE TIC TAC TACO AND GAS STATION HERE HAS MULTIPLE AND WE'D BE LEFT WITH ONLY ONE JOINT CURB CUT BETWEEN US AND WHATEVER THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES. THIS IS ONE OF THE INTERPRETATIONS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE INTENDED TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. AND SITE. ONE OF THE INTENDED OR ONE OF THE METHODS I SAW WAS IF ALL THE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC WAS DIVERTED AND REQUIRED TO GO ROUND THE HOLDUP BEFORE THEY BEGAN TO KILL. AS WE REACH BACK TO THREE PLUS CARS INTO THE QUEUE. WE START BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE INTO THIS PARKING AREA, AND WE'RE LIMITING ACCESS FOR EVEN IF THIS IS EMPLOYEE, HELEN IF WE REACH FIVE CARS IN THE QUEUE, WE'RE NOW BLOCKING ACCIDENTS WELL, WE'RE CREATING A SCENARIO WHERE A CAR HAS TO COME IN LOOP AROUND SITE.
GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THRU, THEN REJOIN THAT SAME LOOP TO WHERE THEY COULD COME AND BE BLOCKED BY THE QUEUE FOR THE MENU BOARD. LOOKING AT THE OTHER OPTION. AND CARS COMING UP AND IMMEDIATELY START KILLING INTO THE MENU BOARD. MY SUMPTION IS THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN MOST MORNINGS.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR DUNKIN DONUTS DOWN HERE. STARBUCKS. THOUGH Q MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR CARS, TYPICALLY, IF YOU GET INTO LARGER THREE PLUS QUE WE END UP BLOCKING ACCESS INTO THE INTERNAL AREA OF THE SITE. OFTEN THE BEACH CROSSING. WE CAN NO LONGER GET TO THE PARKING AREA. WE CAN NOW GET TO THE BYPASS LANE AND UP TO THE FRONT TOUCH IN THIS LAYOUT BUT ARE QUEUING IS NOW SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER THAN THE INTENDED AND THE CODE REQUIRES 18. QUEUING LINES OR QUEUING SPOTS TO BE AVAILABLE. BASED ON OUR DRIVE THROUGH DESIGN. THESE ARE THE THREE VARIANCES WHERE REQUESTING AND THE WAY I SEE THIS REALLY COMES DOWN TO TWO
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QUESTIONS THE ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE AN ACTIVE AND OPERATED OPERABLE DOORS ON BEACH CROSSING. AND THE MENU PARTY. BOTH THE DUMPSTER AND THE MENU BOARDS STATE THE SAME REASONING TO BE LOCATED AS TO EFFECTIVELY SCREEN THEM FROM VIEW. SHALL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. OUR DESIGN INTENT WAS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR LANDSCAPING, WE INTENTIONALLY LUMPED SOME OF OUR LANDSCAPING AND PUNCHED THE TREES AND THEN SPECIFIC AREAS TO LIMIT THAT VIEWABLE LOCATIONS. MANY BOARDS WOULD BE LOCATED HERE SOUTH OF SMITH'S MILL ROAD. AND WE INTENTIONALLY BUNCHED. WITH THE IDEA THAT TRAFFIC IS APPROACHING FROM THE WEST AND AVAILABLE AREA HUNG SMITH SMELL AS THEY APPROACH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING HAS BEEN PROVIDED. PUNCHING OF HEART SHAPED TREES. AND SHRUBBERY ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HEART. WHEN THIS IS INSTALLED. THE SHRUBS ARE MINIMUM 36 INCH HEIGHT REQUIRED.AND THEN THESE ARE LARGE SHADE TREES WITH ORNAMENTALS POINTED ON THIS NORTHERN CURVED LINE.
VERY SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING BEING PROVIDED AROUND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AS WELL. AND THE ENCLOSURE MATCHES THE BUILDING. THE INTENT IS SCREEN AS MUCH OF THIS AS POSSIBLE. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME. OUR INTENT IS THE SAME TO PROJECT THE BEST IMAGE WE CAN FROM SMITH'S MYLAN BEACH ROAD. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TAKEN CONSIDERATION TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND THE SAFETY OF OUR CUSTOMERS. SO I STARTED DOING SOME LOOKING AND WONDERING WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. ONCE THE LANDSCAPING STARTED BECOMING MORE MATURE. AND THIS ISN'T LOOKING ANY TYPE OF MANY BOARD. BUT THIS I PULLED THIS PHOTO BECAUSE THIS IS DOING THE SAME THING WITH THE ORNAMENTALS ALONG THE SHRUBS, AND THEN THEY'D ONLY HAS ONE ROW STREET TREES. ALONG WITH THE HORSE LINES WERE PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF LARGE SHADE TREES. BETWEEN THE ORNAMENTALS IN THE FENCING. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE, AND I USE THIS PICTURE. PLANNING MENTIONED THE DAIRY QUEEN. QUITE A BIT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS. I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING AS THIS IS THE SAME THING, SHRUBS, ORNAMENTALS AND SMALL SHADE TREES. SO THIS IS DURING THE MATURATION OF THE GROWTH OUT FRONT. IT'S STILL LIMITS SIGNIFICANT REVIEW OF THE BUILDING. NOW. AND THEY'RE SAYING AS YOU APPROACH THE DRIVE, THERE'S LIMITED LANDSCAPING ON THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH ALLOWS A GREATER VIEWING AREA OF THE DAIRY QUEEN. BUT AS YOU BEGIN TO APPROACH IT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT SCREENING TO THIS SIDE OF THE STORE. HERE WAS JUST LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL DUMPSTERS. THAT MAY BE LOCATED HERE INVISIBLE NEAR ROADWAYS.
WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO TRY TO LIMIT THIS VIEW. HERE'S LOOKS RECENT CONSTRUCTION AND FORGIVE ME. I DIDN'T DIG INTO THESE PROJECTS. I WAS JUST KIND OF CLICKING THROUGH AND DROVE AROUND TOWN AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT I COULD SEE TO SEE WHERE THESE DUMPSTERS HAVE BEEN LOCATED OUT FRONT. ONE OF MY THOUGHTS WAS WHEN I READ THE RESPONSE WAS SETTING A PRECEDENT. AND THAT'S ALWAYS CONCERNING LANGUAGE WHENEVER UKRAINE VARIANTS OR ALLOW SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE CODE IS SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR TOWN. SO I WANTED TO LOOK THROUGH AND TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE SIMILAR AROUND TOWN WHERE THIS MAY HAVE HAPPENED. AND THESE WERE THE COUPLE EXAMPLES I FOUND NOT KNOWING THE FULL DESIGN. IT APPEARS THERE'S AN ATTEMPT AT MOUNDING BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPING AND ENCLOSURE. WE ALSO OFFERED TO PROVIDE. GENTLE MOUND, WHERE WILL BE COMING UP AT A 2% UP ALONG? THE 8 FT LEISURE PATH. UP TO THE FENCING AND THEN INCREASING THAT SLOPE TO WE COULD PRESENT A 3 FT MOUND. THROUGH THIS CREED AREA. ANY TIME TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING. MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S MANY BOARD AT LEAST FOR THAT 3 FT. IT'S SCREENED BY EARTH. NOT EVEN A PLAN. AND THEN ABOVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE OUR ADDITIONAL SHADE TREES AND SHRUBBERY AND ORNAMENTALS LOCATED ALONG THIS PATH. PLANNING WAS NOT THEY PREFERRED US NOT. TO PROVIDE THAT BONDING . AND SO AT THIS TIME IT HAS BEEN REMOVED. BUT IT IS ANOTHER OPTION. WE'RE WILLING TO WORK IN AND CAN WORK INTO OUR PROPOSED GREETING TO MAKE THIS A POSSIBILITY TO HELP SCREEN THAT CEREMONY. COMING UP TO REGARDING THE ELEVATIONS. I THINK WE'RE IN
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AGREEMENT. THAT THIS DOES COME ACROSS HIS BACK OF THE HOUSE. AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT. REALLY THAT WOULD BE ONE BY ARCHER CONCERNS AS WELL THAT ARE PRESENTATION HONG SMITH MILL ROAD. WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WHAT WE COULD DO TO TRY TO IMPROVE THIS AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE THE ELECTRIC METER AND PANELING. TO FACE OFF OF SMITH'S MILL ROAD. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THE CITY ON TWO BETTER. THE PRESENTATION ALONG THE ROAD. KNOWING THAT WE ARE SCREENING THE MENU BOARD. WE ARE SCREENING THE DUMPSTER, BUT WE CAN TRY TO PRESENT SOME MORE FRONT OF HOUSE. ALONG THE STREETS TO MAKE THIS MORE PRESENTABLE. WE'VE DISCUSSED OTHER OPTIONS THAT. WE HAVEN'T GONE INTO FURTHER INTO CONSTRUCTION OR PRICING TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER AVAILABILITY OR CHANGES WOULD BE. BUT EXTERIOR WISE, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN OFFER. IF WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, IF THAT BECOMES A CONDITION, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. BUT OUR INTENT HAS BEEN FOCUS ON FRONT TOUCH. NEAR THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE , AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE OFFERING CONSIDERABLY MORE. PARKING SPACES NEAR ENTRANCES WERE STILL OFFERING THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM TWO LOCATIONS FROM THE INTERNAL BEACH CROSSING. AND FROM BEACH ROAD. WE ARE NOT OFFERING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS UP HERE. BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROMOTE COSTS TRAFFIC WITH OUR DRIVE THRU FLOW. PEDESTRIANS WOULD BE WALKING NOT ONLY TO NOT TO ADORE BUT CROSSING INCOMING TRAFFIC LANES. THIS GIVES US CERTAIN MOST SAFE, EFFICIENT AND SIMPLE CIRCULATION AROUND OUR SITE. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICT WITH THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS? OKAY? ENGINEERING COMMENTS. UM THERE'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROVIDED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE TYING INTO THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION. THERE'S TO BE BUTARYSAROVIDE PD ON LATAL,ER I HAVEN RECEI'TD ION ANATD SE OF TOMSE GETHE SIG T DISTAHTE.NCS ALSO LYA CCERN OONMINE.F SETHINGOME'RE W WLING TILO O AND NTRK OUTWOWE HAV. EMESO IOULD W I LIKTO MOVE THIS LITTLEA IT BURTHER F SOU, SITE LERTEF TN INTOURHE T ITH TR WFIC COAFNGMI AROUN DE CORNTH. BUTER WE HE NATIAVAL DTANCE ISYING MTRE.OR E. M WEAVEN'T HHOWN S AFESA DISNCE TRTAN LINEAIERE HI THE SURSNTHEE IMENSI DS OFON TYCI REQUIDRE BUTE'RE M WE LING TILWORKO ON TH THET OFPA IT. THEOMMENT CBOUT A ANDSCA LNG.PI THAST'ETTING G CANE A MORE NDFFICULDIT, AS YOU EE, WI S THE ATHUNT OMO SITECAPLAGIN WE ARPROVIDE G ONIN YOU E W NOTROVIDI PNG, IF E THISE ISS FORHE ING PRORERTYOPINE ST LE ANDHRUBS SCATED LOONHE ON TREOT PRO NSING TPOTHA SOUTHHE. ADUKE AS ND IS ALRS DYEAROVIDI P NGNDSCAPLAGIN DECTLYIR ON E PROVE LAND, E'RE W INGID ORNAMTAL TRENSEEND YER ALO THIS NGOPERTYPR PROV AS WE. OURLLEAR F IS WEIF BE AOIDUCH. T MSHI ONEON'T W ESSIBLCCE.IMIT B LNGEI ABLE EXISNTAI M AND CNEAR F THEOR NG LANTICAPINGDS IN TH EEA.AR TDES SRAWN ALOHO THENG ECONFU ICTUALL APERY THE YOUM AGENTIF. COULD ITOP S OUT AECOND SID DOU YHIFT S TOFKINGAL ABOUTNGINEE ENG THEROTS SETHINGOMLSE? E WASE REMAING ENGNIEERINGIN COENTS.MM A RIGHTLLI'M. LOONG SIX EINEERINGNG CMENTS.OM IDN'T SDIEE LDSCAPIAN ON ANNGO EM, ANTHI'M TRD NGYI TO KE FT. ENG IEERINGINS Y THEASIEST EHING T TO CO TO.ME AGRMENTEEOG D, DAN SO I HANGING GO DO T T LITTLHEE IF TFRU THINGITR LOO O FORK FIND IS ANCTUAL ANFLICTCO, T. CON INT.TE UHO CLAR TY INTT IS TENGOO ALONG WH NEERINGI COMMEGS.NT W EVE NO HASUE WIIS ANYTH OF TM.SAYISEFTEMS W IEER BUT NGURTHER F ODOWN TN HE ROCESS PBECAUS, IFE WE DOACH AREOINT PHERE W WCAN'TE THESO CO COMPRAISEOM TO WO ONRK E VIANCESAR. THEN WE'RE EFFOGTTN A I BUNCH OFDDITIO ALNA INTORTHE ENG TEERINGINF G THATINAY MOT N BESABLE U
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ALL OF NEW ORLEANS WEATHER, IT'S SORT OF ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE OUTSKIRTS. BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE EAST, PART OF THE NEW ALBANY OR THE ORIGINAL PART OF HARMONY AND SO I PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH GRANTING VARIANTS. THAT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED IN LICKING COUNTY. IN A WAY THAT MIGHT NOT FLOAT. HERE IN NEW ALBANY IN THE PAST. SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, AND PICKING UP THE COMMENTS FROM MIKE FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS. THERE MAY BE A WAY. IF YOU ASK FOR A VOTE TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN UP OR DOWN. AND THEN YOU'RE NOT WHICHEVER WAY IT GOES. YOU GET TO MOVE FORWARD OR YOU DON'T LOOK FORWARD. IT. GIVEN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN. WHAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING AND INDICATING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. I THINK THAT THIS I THINK THIS APPLICATION NEEDS A LITTLE MORE TIME AND A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT. AND THE CITY BECAUSE IT STRIKES ME THAT I GET IT. YOU, DON'T YOU? YOU DON'T WANT TO REDESIGN YOUR WHOLE BUILDING AND YOU HAVE YOUR FOOTPRINT OF YOU USE. I GET THAT. UM DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT. WHAT WHAT WE TYPICALLY ALLOW. BUT THERE MAY BE SOME ROOM TO SORT OF CONTINUE TO WORK ON AN ALTERNATE DESIGN OR ARRANGEMENT THAT DOESN'T DEPART TOO MUCH FROM YOUR STANDARD, BUT ALSO BEGINS TO MORE EFFECTIVELY MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS. SO MY SUGGESTION TO YOU AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR ANY OF MY FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS OTHER THAN THE COMMENTS I HEARD IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS TABLED. SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR COMPANY AND YOUR CLIENT AND WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF COME BACK WITH WITH WITH AN APPLICATION. THAT CHECKS MORE OF THE BOXES THAN THIS ONE DOES AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME. UM THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION TO YOU AND YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL SOME FUTURE DATE. UM, WHAT YOU WOULD ALLOW YOU TO AVOID A OF VOTE TONIGHT. BUT IT'S UP TO YOU. TO EXTEND THAT CONVERSATION. I AGREE. OUR INTENT, AND I WAS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE AT THE COMMISSION. UM, WE'VE HAD I THINK CHELSEA AND I EMAIL ALMOST DAILY. THEY'VE BEEN VERY INTERACTIVE WITH US AND HAVE BEEN HANDS ON WITH THIS. WE ARE ACTUALLY MADE OUR PRELIMINARY THE MIDDLE IN JUNE. SO THIS WAS WE HAD NOT. I JUST CAN'T MADE THIS MIDDLE IN AUGUST AND HOPE TO GET TO THIS MEETING AND HELP TO RUSH THROUGH EVERYTHING. WE MADE THE PRELIMINARY IN JUNE. WE CAME BACK AND WE MADE AFTER THE PRELIMINARY WAS SUGGESTED TO US TO GO TO THE NEGO REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND WE DID THAT, AND WE WORKED THROUGH THEIR APPROVALS. HIT ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES. BUT THEY SUPPORTED US ON THIS LAYOUT. THEY FOUND IT PROVIDED THE BEST FUNCTIONALITY ON SITE AND THEY APPROVED IT. WE THEN TOOK THIS DESIGN BACK AND RESUBMITTED. AND HAD FURTHER CONVERSATIONS. AND I THINK EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT LIKE EVERYONE. BUT AS THE CONVERSATION FURTHER AS MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN GREEN IN AGREEMENT AS FAR AS FUNCTIONALITY. THIS STANDS PROVIDE THE BEST OPTION. BUT WHAT BREAKS THE CONVERSATION IS IN COURT. STEPHEN IS THE FORM IT'S THE WORK OUT IN THE STREET CORNER. YEP. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO APPEASE THAT PROVIDE THE BEST SAFETY, TRAFFIC FLOW, CIRCULATION AND EFFICIENCY ON SITE. PROVIDE THE BEST LOOKING STREET CORNER. WE CAN NOT CAUSE ANY. ISSUES WITH. SETTING A PRECEDENT CAUSING ANY OTHER PROBLEMS FOR HER PLANNING FOR THE CITY. BUT FIND SOMETHING THAT FINDS THAT COMPROMISE FINDS THAT RIGHT SPOT CANOPIES WHAT YOUR VISION IS. WHILE ALLOWING US TO MAINTAIN OUR PROTOTYPE.AND PROVIDE THE BEST FUNCTIONALITY AND I FELT I KIND OF PUSHED TO GET HERE TO THE MEETING SO WE COULD HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, SO IT'S NOT INFORMATION BEING RELAYED THROUGH DIFFERENT PARTIES, AND WE CAN ALL HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION AND ALWAYS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, AND WE WANT TO FURTHER THIS CONVERSATION. THE ATTEMPT IS TO HAVE MORE OF A POSITIVE INTERACTION AND HOW TO BEST UTILIZE THIS CORNER. AND IT DOES GET MORE COMPLICATED WITH A MIXED USE BEING A BAG. AND BEING A COFFEE SHOP. NOW WE DO HAVE WE DIDN'T AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION, BUT WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE MANY BOARD. FEW PRINTS OF IT. IT'S 29 SQUARE FEET. IT'S WITHIN CODE. IT'S A DIGITAL STATIC MINI BOARD. UM IT MEANS CODING ALL THOSE FACETS.
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AS WE PRESENT AT 29 SO QUICKLY. DID I HEAR 29 SQUARE FEET. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. CODE IS 32, RIGHT? BELIEVE LIKE, YEAH , ALRIGHT. STAFF IS NOT SEEING THE MANY BOARD SIGN 19. THAT WAS ANOTHER POINT I WAS GOING TO BE. THERE WERE SOME SOME SOME ASPECTS OF THE APPLICATION THAT WHEN WE READ THROUGH THE PACKET WHAT STAFF WAS SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS ON THIS YET. AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS AS COMMISSION. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO ADDRESS IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF AN APPLICATION WHEN WE GOT IT AT THE MEETING, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE STAFF REVIEW IT AND THINK ABOUT IT AND COMMENT ON IT AND THEN ACTUALLY SEE SOMETHING IN THE PACKET OURSELVES SO THAT WE CAN GET A SENSE TO SO THERE SEEMS TO BE. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE AND MAYBE YOU KNOW TO SOME MISSING PARTS. AND WHEN YOU SAY ONE MORE THING TO AS WELL AND I REALLY APPRECIATED . YOU KNOW WHEN I READ YOUR VARIANCE, EXPLANATION WHAT I APPRECIATED WAS WHAT SEEMED TO ME WERE WORDS HONEST AND LEGITIMATE ATTEMPTS TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS AS YOU KIND OF COMMENTED IN YOUR COMMENTS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM BUT SOMETIMES INTENT YOU KNOW, ISN'T ENOUGH. WE GOT TO GET THERE ANYWAY. THAT'S I THINK THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE ON THIS APPLICATION THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE BEFORE I HAD TO VOTE ON IT. YES PARTICULARLY IS DOES YOUR ASSIGNED BOARD MEETING NEW SIGN CODE BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST THAT'S THAT'S REAL NOW. RIGHT COUNCIL APPROVED CODE FOR DIGITAL BOARDS. AND. FOR YOU. IT'S A CHECKBOX ITEM. EITHER WE MEET OR WE DON'T OR WE NEED TO BE SMALLER OR WE GO AND LOOK AT THE OTHERS AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE FROM. THE HOW TO IS ALMOST SPELLED OUT. TOLERABLY WELL IN THE ORDINANCE, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BRING BACK TO US THAT OUR SIGN BOARD MEETS THIS RIGHT. OKAY THEN WE WOULD AGREE ONLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. SPACING A STREET. OKAY I WOULD AGREE, PROVIDED THE CODE BEFORE IT BECAME OFFICIAL. SO A COPY OF IT OR AS IT IS BEING VOTED AND MOVED IN BY COUNSEL. SO WE HAVE THAT TO LOOK AT WITH OUR APPLICATION THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE CUT SHEET AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION. BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER ISSUE. I WOULD EXPECT THEY'RE AT THE VERY LEAST, TO BE A CONDITION ON AMENDING BORDER LIKE THAT. WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO PRESENT IT BEFOREHAND BECAUSE IT IS THE BASIS OF THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION. REFERRING BACK TO THE VARIANCE IN THE CODE. TO BE LOCATED AS TO EFFECTIVELY SCREEN THEM FROM VIEW. THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION. ABOUT WHETHER I NEEDED TO SUBMIT A VARIANCE FOR THAT. BUT I FELT BETTER TO SUBMIT A VARIANCE FOR IT BEING THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND I WASN'T TRYING TO ARGUE THE INTENT OF WHAT WE WERE DOING.ALONG WITH THE DRIVE. THRU SHALL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT WAS OUR INTENT WITH WHAT WE PROVIDED WISDOM FULFILL THOSE PARTS OF THE CODE, BUT THE VARIANTS STILL APPLIES. IN THIS APPLICATION AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DISAGREED.
WITH I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISAGREEMENT ON THE INTENT OF THAT CODE. WHETHER IT REQUIRED THE ITEMS TO BE LOCATED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, OR WHETHER IT'S JUST REQUIRED THEM TO BE EFFECTIVELY SCREENED. I DO KNOW ALSO THAT TO BE LOCATED AS TO EFFECTIVELY SCREEN THEM FROM VIEW. THERE WILL BE SOME TIME AFTER WE PLANT TREES, SHRUBS, CONSTRUCTION. YOU MAY HAVE SOME TIME BEFORE THE EFFECTIVELY SCREENED. SO THERE'S THE INTENDED TO PUBLIC CODE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE BUT WE STILL FILE THOSE AS VARIANTS. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SUGGESTION.
IF I COULD BORROW YOUR YOU SAID THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE PRIVATE DRIVE. WOULD THEY BE THERE IF THAT WAS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? WOULD THEY BE? THERE WERE YOU MENTIONED SOME ISSUES AND YOU MENTIONED I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH CONTROL OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE IT ACTUALLY HAD TO DO.
CLARIFYING THAT IT HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS JOINT DRIVE. FOR THE TWO LOTS INSTEAD OF OUR OWN PRIVATE DRIVE. SEE OUR HAIRCUT WOULD BE OFF OF THIS PRIVATE BEACH CROSSING RIGHT? SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE ONE CURVE CUT FOR THE TWO BONDS. THAT IS AN ITEM THAT WOULD PROVIDE OR WOULD INCUR CONSIDERABLE EXTRA COST. IT ALSO PUTS NEKO IN A TOUGHER POSITION. BECAUSE NOW THIS LIGHT IS PARTIALLY DEFINED THAT THEY HAVE FOR SALE AND CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE A USE ON LEAST AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. WE'RE NOW PROVIDING THEIR DRIVE ACCESS AND WE'RE ELIMINATING THEIR CURB CUT , WHICH IS IN THE EU DECODING TO BE GRANTED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK THE QUESTION COMES UP. HE SAID THAT BY PROVIDING THE DRIVE TO THE
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WEST, YOU'RE REMOVING THEIR CURB . CUT THOUGHT. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT. AND WHAT DO YOU REMOVING THIS SPOT CUT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDED PER CODE. AND FORCING THEM TO HAVE A JOINT DRIVE WITH US. HOW DOES THIS DO THAT? GRANTED ANOTHER CURB CUT RIGHT BESIDE THAT ONE. NO. THE DONENESS. HOW THIS ENCUMBERED THE LOT NEXT TO IT SAID THAT AGAIN. I THOUGHT I JUST HEARD THAT IF THEY GIVE THE PRIVATE ACCESS TO THE WEST OFF THEIR PRIVATE DRIVING THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE CURB. CUT ON THE LUCK TO THE WEST. TO THE WEST.SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TOO. IF YOU WORK IN THE CODE BLOCK TO THE WEST IS GRANTED. EXCESS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT TO THE BEACH CROSSING INTO THE SOUTH BEACH CROSSING. SO THE ARGUMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT THAT'S WHAT WORK TO FULFILL THE CODE. AND GRANT THEM THIS SINGLE CURVED CUT. ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE. MEANING IT FULFILLS. BUT THE CODE GRANTED AS PART OF THEIR SOUTHERN ACCESS. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ACCESS HERE ARGUES THAT IT GIVES THEM A CURB CUT AND THAT TAKES AWAY THEIR NEW CURB. CUT YEAH, IT TAKES AWAY THEIR PROPOSED CURB CUT AS PART OF THE LAW ENFORCES THEM TO USE OURS AND ALSO FORCES US TO BUILD A MUCH LARGER DRIVEWAY. CAN WE GET AN EXTRA? I'M SORRY. DIDN'T GET AN EXPLANATION TO THAT. YEAH FROM ADMINISTRATION. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN'T BE TO CUT CORN CUTS. SOMEWHAT ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER. THAT WAS WE DON'T SHARE THAT INTERPRETATION, BUT THIS THIS DRIVEWAY IS ENTIRELY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY LINE OF THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION. DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO THE SHARE DRIVE OVER HERE.
BUT REGARDLESS WHETHER THIS IS SHARED OR NOT, THIS DRIVEWAY WOULD NOT REMOVE THIS LOTS ABILITY TO HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS ALONG BEACH ROAD OR THE NORTH NORTH SOUTH ROAD FURTHER TO THE WEST. SO THIS THIS DRIVE HAS PROPOSED WOULD WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ACCESS IMPLICATIONS TO THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE WEST . YOU MEAN BEACH CROSSING CROSSING? THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT PRESENTED THAT VERY CONFUSING FASHION. THE POINT BEING, IF THE INTENT IS TO ALLOW THIS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND TO PROVIDE THEM ACCESS THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF CURB CUTS. AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF CURB CUTS ALONG BEACH CROSSING. REGARDLESS WHETHER THAT'S A JOINT ACCESS OR ONLY AN HOUR DRIVE. ALRIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ONGOING ISSUE ABOUT CROSS THE HOUSE ACCESS. IS MUCH THERE HAS BEEN A TOUGH FIGHT. TO GIVE IT YEAH, THERE'S LEARNING TEXT SUPPORTS AND RECOMMENDS CROSS EXCESS EASEMENTS. WE HAVEN'T DONE IT WITH THE DUKE AND DUCHESS TO THE SOUTH HERE AND DO THE SIZE OF A LOT. BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ARE PLANNING STAFF ALWAYS SUGGEST CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT, CERTAINLY WITH BETTER SITE CIRCULATION AND ACCESS IMPROVES CONGESTION AND MOBILITY BETWEEN SITES. HOWEVER SINCE WE YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST SCHEMATIC, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BEGIN WITH. IT'S NOT SCALED, BUT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STACKING THE IDEA WAS TO MOVE THE STRIVE AS FAR WEST AS POSSIBLE RIGHT AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS PERMITTED AND SINCE IT'S THERE, AND WE THOUGHT, WELL, IT COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO THIS, BUT THE IDEA OF PLACING THIS HERE WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE SITES, ABILITY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CURB PEDAL ON THE BEACH CROSSING. ALRIGHT SO NONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING HERE ARE BASED ON THE FACT THAT BEACH CROSSING IS A PRIVATE ROAD AND NOT A PUBLIC ROAD. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK IT'S A COMBINED ISSUE. PART OF THE QUESTION WOULD BE. THE INTENT OF BEACH CROSSING IS TO PROVIDE LIMITED CURB CUTS INTO YOUR MAIN ROADS, AND WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS INTO THOSE REGIONS. WE'RE ONLY MAINTAINING OUR SINGLE CURVE IN THE BEACH ROAD. WE DO NOT WANT TO PROVIDE JOIN THE ACCESS OR HAVE TO PROVIDE A THREE OR FOUR LANE ENTRANCE INTO OUR SITE. FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY? AND THAT HAS BEEN GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE APPLICATION COMMENTS. THERE HAS BEEN A TALKING POINT THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. UM THANK YOU BECAUSE THAT GETS TAKES ME WHERE I WAS ACTUALLY GOING WITH THIS, UM IS THIS JUST ONE MORE PRIVATE DRIVE ISSUE, LIKE DO WE WANT AS A VILLAGE TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF PRIVATE ROADS? SO I THINK PRIVATE DRIVES MAKE SENSE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES BASED ON THE SCALE AND PURPOSE OF ROADS, SO CERTAINLY FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, WE WANT TO PROTECT THE TRAFFIC IN CIRCULATION ALONG SMITH'S MILL ROAD TO THE NORTH AND BEACH. THERE'S PROBABLY 15,000 CARS TODAY THAT YOU KNOW, TRAVEL ALONG THIS ROAD, SO CERTAINLY I THINK WE'VE FOUND SUCCESS AS
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ROADS GET SMALLER, AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE IN BETWEEN SITES, AND SO THEY'RE THEY'RE KIND OF ACT AS COLLECTORS FOR PUBLIC STREETS. SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WOODCREST WAY AT THE TRUST CORPS WERE DAIRY QUEEN AND THE HOTELS ARE I THINK THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, AND THERE'S ANOTHER SIMILAR PRIVATE ROAD ACROSS THE STREET WHERE ALL THE IS AS WELL. SO I THINK, DEPENDING ON THE SCALE, AND YOU KNOW, IN THE PURPOSE OF THOSE ROADS, I DO THINK THAT, UM PRIVATE ROADWAYS CAN SERVE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, STREET NETWORK IN A BENEFICIAL WAY, BECAUSE WE HAD A ACHILLES HEEL ARMCHAIRS WORK. OH AND ONE OR TWO OTHERS ALONG THE YEARS WHERE THE FACT THAT IT WAS A PRIVATE DRIVING OUT OF PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. CREATING A PLANNING PROBLEM THAT WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED OTHERWISE. AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE HERE, I WANTED IT ON RECORD SO THAT WE KNEW ONE MORE WAY TO NOT DO IT. IF THIS IS PROBABLY DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS A PROBLEM THAT ORIGINALLY SOUNDED LIKE. UM MY OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS OF HAVE WEIGHED IN, UM YOU'RE VARIANCES ARE PART TO DEAL WITH THE COMBINED USE LOOKS GREAT. UM, THIS IS A SIGNATURE CORNER. AND OUR EXPERIENCE ON OTHER SIGNATURE CORNERS IS WE DON'T GET THEM BACK. I HAVE PUBLICLY WISHED FOR MICRO METEORITES TO HIT CERTAIN BUILDINGS AND HAVE THEM COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION SO YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT. BUT I DON'T GET THOSE, UM AND SO THERE IS A LOT OF LET'S GET THIS CORNER RIGHT ON TWO VERY MAJOR ROADS. YEAH. AS STATED BEFORE, IF YOU WANT TO VOTE TONIGHT AND GET A VOTE TONIGHT. AS A FORMER COMMISSION MEMBER SAID, I'M NOT FEELING THE LOVE. MHM. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COME BACK. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. CAN WE HAVE LET ME SEE IF THE PUBLIC ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? IS A PUBLIC MEETING, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE JOBS IN THE PUBLIC MEETING. THEY ALL CAME. YAHA MANY OF YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. LOOK AROUND THE ROOM FOR ME TO MAKE SURE THE WHOLE LOT OF PUBLIC TONIGHT, OKAY? HMM. BEFORE WE DO ANY MOTION ON THAT. LET'S GET THE DOCUMENTS MOTIONS. I MOVED FOR, CAN WE HAVE? UM SORRY. THIS IS NOT EMOTION ON YOUR UPPER DOWN VOTE ON THIS PROCEDURE THAT I'M ABOUT TO DO, OKAY? UM I MOVED FOR ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF REPORTS AND REALLY DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD FINAL BILL PLANTE 77 2023. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? SECOND DISCUSSION OF THE DOCUMENTS. THE ROLE, PLEASE, MR KIRBY. MR SCHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR WALLACE. DOCUMENTS ARE IN THE RECORD. OKAY? WE'LL CHASE. THESE IN ORDER WILL DO THE VARIANCES AFTER WE DO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU WERE SAYING SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING. BEFORE WE MOVE AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT ABOUT CAN WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO HUDDLE AND DISCUSSED CHURCH FOR MOVING FORWARD PRIVATE 10 MINUTES, WHICH WILL WORK. OKAY UM WITH THAT WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THAT.[01:07:43]
JURY'S COMING IT'S A CLIENT. YOU WANT A TABLE? WE ALL AGREE. I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO TABLE AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. HOW MANY MONTHS YOU NEED TYPICALLY, IT'S 12 OR THREE MONTHS IN THEIR TYPICAL IF YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT TIME FRAMES AND SPEAK IT, BUT ARE WE ABLE TO. SOME PLACES. ALLOW THIS AT THE SECOND OR ARE YOU REFERRING TO IT? AS AFTER YOU PROVIDE COMMENTS, WE CAN BE THE SECOND SINGLE. ARE YOU ABLE TO EXTEND A TABLE AT THAT TIME? IF I SAY WE WANT A TABLE FOR ONE MONTH NIGHT, AND THEN I CONTACTED IN THE NEXT 10 DAYS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THAT THREE MONTHS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST OR PREFERENCES THAT YOU FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TIME YOU NEED AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SHOWING UP LIKE JUST LOST. SOMEONE SHOWED UP FOR A HEARING THAT THEY DIDN'T GET. WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE HEARING THAT WE DIDN'T GET. SO IF YOU NEED TO TAKE TWO, IF YOU NEED ONE, TAKE ONE UNDERSTAND, 100, YOU NAME THE NUMBER AND WE'LL BUILD IT ANOTHER SORRY. JUST ANOTHER SUGGESTION. I REMEMBER ONE THING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. WE'VE SAID ON OR BEFORE. SO WE'VE SAID LIKE, LIKE WE COULD TABLE TO NOVEMBER AND WE'D SAY ON OR BEFORE NOVEMBER, SO JUST IN CASE WE ARE READY TO COME BACK IN OCTOBER. WE STILL HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO SO, BUT WE WOULDN'T PUT IT ON THE AGENDA UNLESS WE KNEW FOR CERTAIN THAT IT WAS READY. WE HAVE TO MEET NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT. SO IF YOU WANT A LITTLE LATE, YOU MIGHT BE FORCED INTO INTO THE SECOND MONTH, OKAY? CAN WE EXTEND OUT TO JANUARY TO DO AN HOUR BEFORE? OH WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S FOR NOT DOING DOING MONTH MATH AND FAILING. YEAH THE CONCERN IS ON HOLIDAYS. YEAH TABLES IN THE LATER THAN JANUARY. I'D RATHER SEE IT RIGHT AND SEE IT HURRIED. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO TABLE FINAL, THOUGH[01:10:02]
PLAN 77 BOTH MOTIONS. WE HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE MOTIONS. I BELIEVE I WOULD DO MISS SEPARATE MOTIONS. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DO THE DOCUMENTS YET ON THE VARIANTS. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO NO LATER THAN JANUARY? I WILL MOVE THAT WE TABLE FILED THE PLAN 77 2023.UH, TO A MEETING NO LATER THAN OUR REGULAR JANUARY MEETING. I'LL SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. IS IT CLEAR FOR STAFF? CAN YOU HOLD, PLEASE? MR KIRBY, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR WALLACE. MR SCHELL? YES. FOUR GOATS IN FAVOR OF TABLING THE APPLICATION UNTIL ON OR BEFORE JANUARY TAKES US THE VARIANCE 79 OF 2023 I MOVIE EXCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR THE BEARINGS. DO I HEAR A SECOND FOR THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? SECOND DISCUSSION WITH DOCUMENTS MOTION. AND HERE. OH, PLEASE, MR KIRBY BRIGGS. YES, MR SCHELL. MR WALLACE? YES? I HAVE FOUR VOTES TO ADMIT DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS ARE IN THE RECORD. I MOVE THAT WE TABLE VERY INSTEAD OF THE NINE, SAME AS THE TABLE IN FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 77 THAT HE BROUGHT TO ANOTHER WELL, SECOND TIME. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. CAMERA PLEASE. MR KIRBY . MR SCHELL, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR WALLACE, FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR TO TABLE THE APPLICATOR. THE VARIANCE APPLICATIONS UNTIL HONORABLE SOMETHING AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DEVELOP PLANT HAS BEEN DEALT WITH. YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? FULL MEMBERS ARE COMMENT. DAVE NO COMMENTS. WHAT'S EVERYBODY OCTOBER PAST SARAH? NOTHING FOR ME, BUT THAT WE'RE A
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