[I. Call to order] [00:00:07] ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE THIS TIME CALLED ORDER. THE NEW OLD AMERICAN TEXT REVIEW BOARD MEETING FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH 2023. COULD WE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR HENSON HERE, MR EATON, MR. BROWN MR DAVEY MALLETS HERE. MORE HERE, MR. STROLLER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER WILL TROUT HERE. THERE ARE ALL VOTING MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK [III. Action on minutes: August 14, 2023] YOU. AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION ON THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 14TH 2023 MILLION THOUGHT THEY SPLENDIDLY REFLECTED OUR ACTION DURING THAT MEETING, AND SO I WOULD MOVE THEIR APPROVAL. SECOND. MR EATON? YES MR BROWN? YES MR DAVEY? YES MR MALLETS? YES MORE. YES, MR STROLLER ABSTAIN. MR HINTON? YES. THERE ARE SIX VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. LAST STEP [IV. Additions or corrections to agenda] NOW, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING? YEAH ANDREW, DO YOU A? YEAH THERE'S UH, UM, SECOND CASE TONIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE A RBI 100-20 20. THREE GREEN CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR 24 EAST MAIN AS THE APPLICANT I'LL NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THAT. OKAY THANK YOU. MISS YOUR GUIDANCE, AND I WON'T EVEN MAKE SPACERS FACIAL EXPRESSIONS, RIGHT? SO NOW AT THIS TIME, I'LL ADMINISTER THOSE ALL WITNESSES AND STAFF FOR APPLICANTS WHO PLAN TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY VISITORS HERE FOR ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S [VI. Cases] AGENDA. SEEING THAT ON THE FORWARD WITH THE FIRST CASE, A RB 98 2023 PER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TO INSTALL TWO DUAL SIGN POSTS AND ONE ADDRESS SIGNED FOR NEW ALBANY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. THE APPLICANT IS THE NEW ALBANY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. STAFF WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPORT? SURE THANK YOU, PLEASE. THANK YOU. YEAH SO, AS YOU MENTIONED THIS, IS THERE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE AN APPLICATION TO PERMIT TO EXISTING POST SIGNS TO THE INSTALLER TO EXISTING TO OPPOSE SIGNS AND ONE NEW ADDRESS SIGN FOR THE NEW ALBANY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH LOCATED ON DUBLIN. GRANVILLE ROAD. I'M SURE SPORT IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THIS IS LOCATED. BUT JUST, UM IN CASE SOMEONE IN THE ROOM IS NOT THE CHURCH PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED. THE SITE DOES LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IS SHOWN ON THIS AERIAL. THE BUILDING ACTUALLY DISCARD PERMIT TO TEMPORARY OCCUPIED THE BUILDING WHILE SOME OTHER ITEMS IN THE PERIMETER BEING CLOSED OUT. IT IS LOCATED ON THE PRIMARY INSTANCES OFF THE DUBLIN GRANDMOTHER ROAD. THIS IS HARLEM OUR DAY HERE. SO UM, WHEN THE AIR BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE BUILDING IMPROVED THE BIG CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF BACK IN LATE 20. ACTUALLY, TWO YEARS AGO, THEY INCLUDED YOU GUYS PUT IN A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, STATING THAT ANY NEW SIGNAGE HAD TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE ARAB PRIOR TO ITS INSTALLATION. EARLIER THIS YEAR, CITY STAFF DID ISSUE A PERMIT TO ALLOW TO THESE TWO DOPERS SCIENCE TO BE INSTALLED AND THEY ACTUALLY WERE INSTALLED FAIRLY RECENTLY AS THEY MET ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS, HOWEVER, AFTER FURTHER REVIEW OF THOSE ARE BEING MEETING MINUTES STAFF TO DETERMINE THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR THESE SO I WOULD GO IF YOU'VE BEEN UP TO THE STATE. YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEM, BUT THERE ARE TWO IDENTICAL DO POST SIGNS THAT LOOK LIKE WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IN THE IMAGE. ONE OF THE SIGNS. IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN. I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD HERE, THE SIGN THAT WILL BE LOCATED PERPENDICULAR TO THE ROAD IN BETWEEN THE HORSE FANS AND THE LASER TRAIL. THIS IS A VERY TYPICAL PLACEMENT FOR THIS TYPE OF SIGN IN ALBANY. IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT PROPOSALS TO INSTALL AN ADDRESS SIGN THAT THE END OF THE HORSE FENCE POST AGAIN A VERY TYPICAL UM UM, AFRICAN ADDRESS SIGN APPLICATION , AND IT'S FOUND THROUGHOUT THE CITY, VARIOUS LOCATIONS. HOLD ON HARLEM ROAD. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANOTHER GOAL POST SIGN THIS TIME . IT IS SET BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE LEISURE TREE ON HORSE FENCE AND LEISURE TRAILS HERE FOR EXPENSES SHOWN IN RED HERE. IT'S REALLY HARD TO [00:05:04] SEE. I APOLOGIZE AND THE DOOR POST MINUS TUCKED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK INTO THE SITE. OVERALL AS I MENTIONED, BOTH SIDES ARE BOTH DOOR POST SIGNS AS WELL AS THE ADDRESS SIGNED ME ALL CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TODAY. THANK YOU. JUST ONE JUST CLARIFYING THE QUESTION. I DON'T RECALL US TYPICALLY APPROVING. NUMBERS ON A BUILDING. ARE WE APPROVING THIS BECAUSE IT'S ON A NOT ON THE BUILDING, SO IT JUST STRICTLY BASED ON THE BROAD NATURE OF THE CONDITION IT WOULD ADDRESS SIGN WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED. BY THE WAY A IS THAT TRUE IN IN DOWNTOWN NEW ALBANY, IF IN IN IN THE IN THE HISTORIC CORE IF SOMEBODY BUILDS A NEW BUILDING AND ONCE BUT THE NUMBERS ON THE BUILDING HAS TO COME TO US IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE DONE THAT I'D HAVE TO. I WANT TO SAY WITH CONFIDENCE. WE WON'T MOVE. IMAGINE TOO MANY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, MAYBE ONE OR TWO. BUT I DO RECALL A COUPLE OF THEM COMING BEFORE THE BOARD. UM DO I GUESS WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE RECORD THAT ONE THING THAT WE BELIEVE IS STAFF WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL WOULD BE ANY TEMPORARY SIGNAGE FOR LIKE EVENTS. TYPICALLY THOSE TYPES OF SCIENCE NEED TO GO UP QUICKLY, AND THERE'S YOU KNOW, A VERY SHORT TURNAROUND TIME, SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT CONDITION WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT. UM, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO CHURCH HAD TO COME BACK WITH US. SO IT'S GOOD. HE LOOKS SPLENDID AS INSTALLED, AND I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY THEY WERE INSTALLED AND THAT SENSE STUFF HAPPENS. SO I THINK THEY LOOK LOVELY. OKAY? I HAVE NO COMMENTS TO THE SIGN THAT LOOKS THAT LOOKS THEY LOOK GREAT. OKAY JACK PAST THEM EVERY DAY, AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL. WELL UM WELL, THEN LET ME MOVE. LET ME MOVE. APPROVAL PLEASE. THE OF CARIBBEAN 90 ARY 98 2023 TO APPROVE THE SIGNS AND ADDRESS SIGN AS PRESENTED SECOND MHM. MR ARTAN? YES TRAWLER? YES I'M SORRY. WAS THAT MR MALIK ON THE SECOND OR MR HINTON? SORRY. MR HENSON? YES MISS MR BROWN? YES MR DAVEY? YES MR MALLARDS? YES. MORE. YES. MR STROLLER. YES. I HAVE SEVEN VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK. SORRY TO TAKE SOME OF YOUR TIME, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT. YEAH IT LOOKS GREAT. LOOKS GREAT NOW. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THE NEXT CASE BEFORE THIS BOARD IS THEY ARE B 120 23. YEAH COURSE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL ONE PROJECTING ASYLUM . THE BUILDING OF A RESTAURANT LOCATED 24TH MAIN STREET. MALTA ARCHITECTS IS THE APPLICANT AND MR MOUSES ABSTAINING. SORRY CAN I HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES THANK YOU. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UH, THIS APPLICATION SITE IS AT 24. EAST MAIN STREET, WHICH IS LOCATED EAST OF CHERRY VALLEY AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET SITE WILL SOON BE HOME TO A NEW RESTAURANT. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW NEW SIGNAGE TO BE INSTALLED ON THE BUILDING PERSONALLY, CODE. UH SIGN CODE EACH BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC CORE SUBDISTRICT SHALL BE ALLOWED THREE SIGN TYPES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL ONE PROJECTING SIGN ON THE BUILDING FACE ALONG EAST MAIN STREET, WHICH CONTAINS THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE RESTAURANT. THE SIGN CURRENTLY READS 24 MAIN ON TOP AND BAR AND KITCHEN ON THE BOTTOM. HOWEVER THE APPLICANT INDICATES THAT THE LOGO IS FOR PLACEMENT ONLY, AND NOT NECESSARILY THE SUGGESTED LOGO. WHICH UM, DOWN FACING STARBURST. IS THAT THE LOGO OR IS THAT IS THAT THE WHOLE THING THE LOGO ITSELF. THE 24 MAIN IS FOR PLACEMENT NECESSARILY WHAT WILL BE THE CONTEXT OF THE SIGN SO WE'RE FACING OF IT IS BEING RESERVED RIGHT? SO WE CAN REGULATE. UM THE SIZE AND ALL OF THIS STUFF AND THE CODE AND WE JUST CAN'T REGULATE THE CONTENT, SO THEY'RE JUST RESERVING THAT TO BE DETERMINED. SIGN PANEL IS MADE OF INDIO, WHICH IS A PERMITTED SIGNED MATERIAL. THE PROPOSED SIGN MEETS ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS AND IS INAPPROPRIATE SIGN TYPE FOR THIS TENANT SPACE. THE SIGN APPEARS TO BE POSITIONED IN THE SUITABLE [00:10:07] LOCATION AND DOES NOT BLOCK ANY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THE PROPOSED PROJECTING SIGN ALSO APPEARS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS THE OVERALL VILLAGE CENTER AND IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SPACE. SHOULD THE BOARD RECOMMEND ARE MOVED TO APPROVE. THERE IS A MOTION LISTED IN THIS STAFF REPORT FOR YOUR RECOMMENDED, UM NOTION AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM ON THE BOARD. THANK SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL I'LL WAIT TO HEAR WITH BRISTOL BOARD HAS TO SAY BEFORE I MAKE ANY COMMENTS, AND I'M SORRY, I FORGOT TO MENTION THE RESTAURANT OWNER IS PRESENT TO ALSO ANSWER QUESTIONS. WHERE THE LIGHTS CAN BE PLACED. SO THEY ATTACHED TO THE TO THE BUILDING OR THEY SOMEHOW STUCK OUT FROM THE SIGN. UM BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL BE ON THE BUILDING DOWNCAST TOWARDS THE SIGN. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THEM. YOU CAN APPROACH THE PODIUM AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. BLAKE COUN. UM, PLEASURE THAT YOU ALL AH, SO THE LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE FIXATED TO THE BUILDING. UM AT THE SAME HEIGHT OF THE SIGN. BUT WHERE YOU SEE THE GUTTER AND OVERHANG SLIGHTLY WHERE THE MOLDING IS. THERE WILL BE NEATLY TUCKED UNDERNEATH WITHIN 5 FT. OF THE SIGN. UM THE LIGHT HARDWARE, THE OUTDOOR GRASS FIXTURES THAT YOU SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THAT PART, RIGHT? IMAGE THOSE ARE VERY SMALL, UM LED LIGHTS THAT ARE MEANT TO ILLUMINATE SOMETHING THE SIZE OF THAT TIME. THEY'RE LIKE THE SIZE OF MY FINGER. AND UH, THE LIGHTING THE WIRING WILL BE NOT VISIBLE. YOU WANT TO USE THIS JUST MAY BE SURE THAT WAY. THAT WAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT THERE. YEP WE'RE IN THERE ON THE ON THE BUILDING ITSELF, SO IT WILL BE SORRY FOR THE SHAKY LADIES. THAT'S RIGHT. ONE WILL BE RIGHT NEAR THAT GUTTER. THE WIRING WILL BE NOT VISIBLE WIRING AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIGN TUCKED UP. INTO THE OVERHANG. THAT MOLDING WILL BE THE OTHER LIGHT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. MHM. I'VE GOT. I MEAN, I'M HAPPY WITH THIS. NOTHING NOTHING TO ADD, OR QUESTION RATIONS. HMM. MY LEG, BUT IS THE IS THE DECORATIVE BRACKET ITSELF. CRASHED THE STYLE. YEAH, WORK. IT'S A LITTLE A LITTLE OUT OF. THE NORM FOR WHAT WE TRYING TO MOST OF SIGNAGE TRYING TO HAVE SOME COMMONWEALTH DETAILS TO IT. THAT'S. CERTAINLY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT BRACKET ITSELF. I LIKE THE SIGN. ITSELF IN THE LIGHTING PROBLEM THERE. YES, YES. PICTURES UM, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE INCLUDED THAT SLIDE WITH THE SLIDES WHERE WE HAVE ADDED FOR CONTEXT. I WENT UP AND DOWN ALL THE NEIGHBORING STREETS AND TOOK PICTURES OF EVERY SIGN MHM, PARTICULARLY THE HANGING ONES, AND I DIDN'T NOTICE THERE WAS THERE WAS AN ECLECTIC ARRAY OF DIFFERENT ARMS AND DIFFERENT DESIGNS. MOST OF THEM. I THINK WE'RE CURVING HAD CURVATURE ELEMENTS OF NATURE. UH UM. SO WE DID WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT MARRIED THE BUILDING. UM YOU KNOW THE OVERALL LOGO AESTHETIC AND THEME. UM WITH A SLIGHT DECO ART DECO INFLUENCE, BUT WHILE MAINTAINING SOMETHING MODEST THAT ALSO ADDED TO THE REFLECTIVE NATURE OF A LOT OF THE ARMS SO THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE CONTEXT. THAT HOW WE GOT IS THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE ART DECO. YES, SIR. OKAY? THIS IS SMALL ENOUGH TO NOT MOVING IT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING MASSIVE, LIKE A GROUND SIGN OR SOMETHING. I THINK I WOULD FEEL MORE REAL [00:15:03] REACT MORE, ACTUALLY. UM BUT BUT I GET YOUR POINT, BUT IT DOESN'T OFFEND ME BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL. I'M THE OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. CONTRIBUTE APPROPRIATES FOR APPLICATION. A ARB DASH 100 DAYS 2023. SECOND STROLLERS MOTION. THANK YOU. MR STROLLER. YES MR BROWN? YES, MR DAVEY? YES, MISS MORE? YES. MR HENSON? YES. MR AYDIN? YES. THERE ARE SIX VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION. WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO WE HAVE AN OPENING GAME? THANK YOU. WORKING IN. WE'RE JUST FEELING THE LAST OF THE LEGACY ISSUES. OKAY AND. WHAT THEY ACTUALLY. RIGHT? WHAT. MHM, OPTIONAL PASS OFF. AND WE WERE. UM, RAISING NOT TOWARD. FABRICATIONS. SO WE SHOULD SEE. P. AND THE LIGHTS OF THE YEAR. PEOPLE PANEL. JUST CAME OFF. YEAH, RIGHT FOR US. WE AS NO. PUBLIC. LIKE WHAT I SEE HERE AND HERE, TOO. OR CIRCLE OF, UM. SMALL YESTERDAY AS AS IT SEEMS, MASSIVE EXPANSION. PROBABLE. OFFENSIVE. BODY ANYWAY. HE WAS ABLE TO THEMSELVES AND SEE IT WHEREVER GREAT. MY HEART REMEMBERS RIGHT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO A VISION. GOOD LUCK AWAITING ANOTHER OPTION, RIGHT? OKAY EXTRA SEATING ADMIRED? YEAH. THIS ONE THING HERE. YEAH ANYONE ANYONE? I DON'T KNOW. I'M SORRY, BUT WE HAVE RESERVATIONS THAT FIRE FOR A FOR A SPECIAL DINNER ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, BUT OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE HAD MY HAND UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT CASE IS A OR B ONE OF THE 3 2023 4TH OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL PROJECTING SIGN WALL SIGN AND WINDOWS SIGN CARRIED CHATEAU AT 31 NORTH HIGH STREET. THE APPLICANT IS AMERICAN SCIENCE STUDIO. MARGIE HAGUE. HAVE SAT BEFORE. YES THANK YOU. AS YOU MENTIONED. THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR THREE NEW SIGNS A PROJECTING SIGN ALONGSIDE MELINDA SIGN. YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. IT TOOK SEVEN YEARS OF SPANISH AND NOT FRENCH REV. LARRY'S CHATEAU, I APOLOGIZE. LOCATED AT 31 NORTH HIGH STREET. SURE EVERYONE HAS A GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE THIS IS AT. BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T THIS IS THE WALL BETWEEN APPLE WHAT WE CALL THE CENTER SECTION HERE. THIS IS MAIN STREET AND HIGH STREET. 31 NORTH HIGH STREET IS HERE. THIS IS WHERE THE NEW ALBANY ACADEMY WAS MOST RECENTLY LOCATED AND IT WILL NOW BE OCCUPIED BY MY REVERSE CHATEAU. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL THREE SIGNS A WALL SIGN WHICH IS SHOWN HERE, A PROJECTING SIGN USING AN EXISTING PROJECTING, UM UM, SIGN ARM WHICH IS SHOWN HERE. AS WELL AS A WINDOW SIGN. I'LL GO THROUGH THE SLIDES. UM AND DESCRIBE ARE REALLY QUICKLY HERE. SO THIS IS THE WINDOW SIGN HERE. THIS IS MEETING ALL CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS. IT TAKES UP [00:20:02] LESS THAN 15% OF THE OVERALL WINDOW AREA. IT'S UM, DESIGNED AND LOCATED A CORPORATELY FOR THE WINDOW THAT IT'S LOCATED ON. THIS IS THE PROJECTING SIGN HERE. CAN MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS OUR WALL SIGN. AND THEN IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE. I APOLOGIZE HERE, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THOSE SIGNS WILL LOOK LIKE ON THE BUILDING. THIS IS IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK HEADED SOUTH ON HIGH STREET. THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE. UM SO YEAH, LIKE I SAID, ALL THE SCIENCE MEETS CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND OTHER APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAD NO QUESTIONS. I SAW THE NAME AND I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE MAYBE A FRENCH BISTRO THAT I GUESS NOW THAT I CAN SPEAK AGAIN. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THE THIS SIGN THE WALL MOUNTED SIGN. I BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE ALL MET, AND I RECALL THAT IN PREVIOUS APPROVALS, THERE WAS A CONSISTENCY QUESTION REGARDING THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE WALL MOUNTED SIGN HAVING A HALF ROUND SCULPTED CORNER. UM WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT IN THE PAST ANECDOTALLY AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THAT WAS ANY KIND OF CONDITION OF APPROVAL. I JUST DON'T RECALL WHEREVER YOU LEFT OFF IN THAT IN TERMS OF COLD VERSUS OPINION. YEAH IT'S DEFINITELY IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE, UM PLACE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON APPLICATIONS HISTORICALLY, LIKE YOU MENTIONED TO HAVE THAT DESIGN ELEMENT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A CULTURE OF LEARNING THAT, UM WHERE DO WE STAND? DOES ANYBODY KNOW CAN HELP HELP US WITH WITH SIGNS ON ADJACENT BUILDINGS DO THEY HAVE BUT CALIFORNIA? NO IN THIS SECTION, HISTORIC VILLAGE CENTER. THERE IS AN I THINK. IT'S GOOD THAT THERE IS A PRETTY DIVERSE ARRAY OF DIFFERENT SINE TYPES, UM, COMPARED TO LIKE MARKET SQUARE, BUT IT'S ALL THE SAME. YOU KNOW, TO BUY 10 OR 2820. SIGNED DANIELS. SO IT'S UM I'TRYINGM TO THANK I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO GAS. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE ON HIGH STREET RIGHT THERE WHERE THERE'S A ONE OF THESE TYPICAL RECTANGULAR SIGN BOARDS. TO USE AS AN EXAMPLE. I THINK ALL NEW ALBANY EXCHANGE HAS THE SCULPTED CORNERS. MHM BUT THAT WAS TRUE CONTINUITY OF THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? FAIR ENOUGH, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT I THINK IT'S NECESSARY HERE. IT WAS A QUESTION. UM THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS AND I KNOW THIS HAS COME UP IN THE PAST TO THE BORDERING OF THESE SIGNS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE HAS A THIN APPEARS TO BE A THIN WHITE LINE AND THEN A FULL BLEED ON THE MORET OR MAROON COLOR TO THE TO THE OUTER EDGE IS THE SIGN ITSELF GOING TO BE COLORED WITH THE SIDES RED OR WHITE. AND DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. IN THE PAST, WE'VE ASKED THAT THE WHITE BORDER BE A FULL BLEED TO THE EDGE OF THE SIDE. COLOR IS ALSO WHITE, SO AS NOT TO CREATE SORT OF AN UNUSUAL, UM, COLOR CHANGES RIGHT AT THE CORNER. THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT. PLEASE DO AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GOOD EVENING. I'M MARGIE HAGHIGHI, SO THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE TWO SIDES WHITE. WE CAN CUSTOM PAINT THEM TO MATCH THE RED OF THE GRAPHIC, BUT THAT WAS THE DESIGN INTENT ORIGINALLY, THAT THE SUBSTRATE ON BOTH OF THOSE IS WHITE. OKAY IF IT IS TO BE WHITE, AND I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT, I WONDER IF IT WOULDN'T MAKE MORE SENSE TO PROBABLY THE BORDER WHITE AROUND THE EDGE. FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE AND AGAIN. I'M BASING MY COMMENT ON PREVIOUS APPROVALS. REFERRED TO THE BOARD ON WHETHER THAT'S A OPINIONS. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANT THE EDGE WHITE OR YOU WANT THE EDGE IF THE EDGES WHITE BECAUSE THE SUBSTRATE IS WHITE, THEN IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE DEPENDING ON THE WISDOM OF THE REST OF THE BOARD TO REVISE THE BORDER, THE WHITE BORDER TO BE FULL BLEED TO THE EDGE SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. OH, OR WOULD YOU KEEP THAT THE WHITE EDGE HAS THE RED AROUND AND THEN SHOW THEM RED ON THE SIDES FOR THE THICKNESS SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A YEAH, I THINK IT'S EXCUSE ME. I WOULD SAY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT NOT TO HAVE THAT CHANGING COLOR. IS. THOSE TWO ARE MARRIED. MHM SIGN INTENT. BESIDES THE SIDES ARE RED, UM, SIDES ARE WHITE. BESIDES OUR WHITE THAT WAS MY THAT WAS WHY I WAS ASKING. SO I THINK BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WHITE BUILDING. I THINK THE THICKNESS OF THE SUBSTRATE WITH THE RED UM SURROUND WOULD STAND OUT A LITTLE MORE IS THAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE, I THINK, IF THE OUTSIDE BORDER OF THE SIGN AS [00:25:06] DRAWN WHETHER THE BLADE SIGN OR THE WALL MOUNTAIN SIGN, IF THE LAST COLOR TO THE EDGES RED, I THINK THE SIDES SHOULD MATCH THAT PERSONALLY. UM, AS OPPOSED TO GOING FROM THE INSIDE TO THE WHITE BORDER TO THE RED OUTER BORDER, AND THEN BACK AGAIN TO THE WHITE SIDES. TO ME SEEMS, SEEMS OFF. I AGREE. I THINK THE BORDER SHOULD MATCH THE HATCH. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DESIGN. SO THANK YOU. HMM. FINISH THIS COMMENT. THAT'S ALL I HAD GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION OF THE SCALLOP ON THE CORNER LOOKING AT GOOGLE. UM STREET NEW AND EVERYBODY ELSE AS I GO UP AND DOWN THAT STREET, WE'VE GOT THE CORNER CUT, LIKE MOST PLACES. SO I THINK I'D LIKE GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH OF IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE CORNER DO, UM SO YOU WOULD WANT TO WALL SIGN TO HAVE CURVED EDGES. JUST JUST BE THAT ONE TO HAVE A CORNER BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT RIGHT? NOT THE BLADE SIGN, NOT THE BLADES FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, YOU REALLY WANT TO DIFFERENT SHAPES. I MEAN, ONE WAS SOFT EDGES, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS SQUARE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS DRIVEN AROUND THE AREA WHEN I WAS ON THE FIRST BOARD MEETING THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THE CURVED EDGES, AND I WANTED TO SEE BECAUSE I DIDN'T NOTICE IT BEFORE. FOUR AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GOOD MIX. UM SO I PERSONALLY LIKE THE 90 DEGREE ANGLE. I THINK IT'S VERY CRISP AND CLEAN. AND I LIKE YOUR DESIGN. AND I THINK IF YOU START DOING THE CURVED EDGES BECAUSE THEIR TEXT IS ALL THE WAY TO THE END, I THINK IT'S I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE ENOUGH RELIEF AROUND. THE EDGES. THAT'S MY GOD. LAST WEEK. WE JUST DID THIS SQUARE. NO LEAF ON THAT RIGHT, SO IT'S AROUND THE CORNER. THERE'S NO. GIVEN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THE SIGN I'M OKAY WITH IT, NOT HAVING THE SCULPTED EDGES, ALTHOUGH I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY YEAH. I THINK IT'S A GOOD MIX. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RED, THOUGH. ON THAT MATCHES . YEAH I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BORDER MATCH THE EDGE. OKAY, MYSELF. THAT MEAN? I JUST REDRAW IT AND SUBMITTED TO HAVE TO COME TO ANOTHER MEETING AND WE CAN PROVE IT. PROVE IT. STAFF AND THEY CAN THEN SAY, OH, YEAH, THAT'S IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO THANK YOU APPROVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPLICATION. RB 103 2023 WITH THE CONDITION OF HAVING THE RED AROUND THE SIDE. UM, ALL FOUR SIDES AS WELL. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. YEAH. MS MOORE. YES MR DAVEY? YES MR MALLARDS? YES MR STROLLER ? YES MR HENSON? YES MR ITEMS? YES MR BROWN? YES. I HAVE SEVEN BOOKS IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION AND THE CONDITIONS THAT THE SIGN IS RED ON THE SIDES AS WELL. IS THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU. I'LL ASK STAFF. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR THE [VII. Other business] BOARD? ANYTHING COMING DOWN THE PIKE? YOU SEE? LIKE WOW. BUT THAT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, OKAY. THAT I WOULD. YEAH I'M HAPPY TO BE RECUSING MYSELF AGAIN. UM WE WILL BE BRINGING A REVISED MASTER PLAN FOR RICHMOND SQUARE. UM IT'S THE BOARD RECALLS. WE HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO FOR CONDOMINIUM FLATS THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REVISED TO TOWN HOMES AND, UM WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ON SOME TWEAKS AND REVISIONS AND REVIEW AND SO WE'RE HOPEFUL WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ON THE 11TH FOR THAT. I AGREE. WE LOOK FORWARD WITH [00:30:01] ANTICIPATION. IT'LL BE WORTH THE WAIT. ALRIGHT HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR [VIII. Poll members for comment] THE PLUG. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. IT'S A DELIGHT TO BE BACK TOGETHER. IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE MY CIVIC SPIRIT IS RENEWED. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, JOHNSON. I LIKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN THEM ALL SECONDS. MR WHO WAS THE MOVEMENT MOVING? THANK YOU. MR HENSON. MR. BROWN? YES I'M SORRY, MR ICELAND. YES AS WELL. MR BROWN. MR. DAVEY YES, MR MALIK. MS MOORE? YES. AND MR STRONG. YES SEVEN VOTES IN FAVOR OF * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.