[I. Call to order]
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CALLED. THE UH INSTRUCT REVIEW BOARDS T TO. WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT MR MAYOR PROMISED ME THAT I WOULD NEVER HAVE TO DO THIS. UH, WE ALL THANK YOU. AND IF THE BOARD MEMBERS COULD TURN THEIR MICROPHONES ON MR HINSON. MISTER ITEM. MR MALLET. MR BROWN HERE, MR DAVY HERE. MISS MOORE HERE.
MR STROLLER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK. COUNCIL MEMBER KISSED HERE. THERE ARE VOTING MEMBERS
[III. Action on minutes: December 11, 2023]
PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, CORRECTIONS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE, UH, MINUTES FROM, UH, THE DECEMBER 11TH MEETING. AND THEY GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. I WILL MAKE A MOTION. OK, SECOND, I'LL SECOND IS MORE. YES MR DAVEY. YES, MR BROWN? YES. MR STROLLER. I'M STAYING. THE. SO YOU ARE PERMITTED TO, UM, VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT AT THE MEETING AS LONG AS YOU READ THE MINUTES, SO IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU. IF YOU ABSTAIN, THEY WOULD NOT PASS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE THREE YESES , AND THEN YOU WOULD JUST VOTE AGAIN AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO IT'S UH, I HAVE READ THROUGH THEM. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. CORRECT, SO I CAN, UM A PAS. THE MOTION PASSES WITH FOUR VOTES TO[IV. Additions or corrections to agenda]
APPROVE THE MINUTE AS SUBMITTED. UM ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT? AND FROM STAFF ANYTHING FROM THE MEMBERS. UM. I THINK WE'LL ADMINISTER THE OATH TO THOSE WHO PLAN TO SPEAK TONIGHT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH REGARDING THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GONNA PUT, UM, PROVIDE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANYBODY. OH, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN WALKING IN MM. DOES, MR BEAN. I DO THAT? OK GOOD. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT. THAT'S UH YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT SOMETHING. I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. THANK YOU AND WELCOME. AND. AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY VISITORS[VI. Cases]
THAT ARE HERE FOR ANYTHING ELSE TONIGHT, SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE FIRST CASE, WHICH IS A RB 001 2024 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH WAIVERS. J CARTER, VEAN ARCHITECT IS THE PRE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH WAIVERS IS TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DAYCARE TO BE LOCATED GENERALLY AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND MILLER AVENUE. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE. THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED. BUT THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, DRIVE AISLE AND SOME PARKING ON THE LOT. UM, THIS SLIDE IS FOR, UH, REPRESENTATION OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHEET AGAIN, THE DRY VILE THAT IS ALREADY THERE TODAY, SOME PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON SITE AND THERE ARE SOME EXISTING LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ON SITE. UM, THE EXISTING LOT HAS AN ESTABLISHED WIDTH OF THE APPROXIMATELY 215 FT, HOWEVER, CODE REQUIRES A MAXIMUM LOT WITH OF 200 FT. AND IN THE STAFF REPORT. I THINK IT ACTUALLY SAID BUILDING WENT, BUT IT IS A LOT WIDTH OF 200 FT. UH THE EXISTING PARCEL IS WIDER THAN WHAT CODE PERMITS, BUT THE CURB CUTS WERE ALREADY APPROVED WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDING AND HAVE LOCKED THIS SITE INTO THE DIMENSION THAT IT IS TODAY. THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHEET ALSO SHOWS THE EXISTING UTILITY STRUCTURES. THE URBAN CENTER CODE REQUIRES ABOVE GROUND UTILITY STRUCTURES TO BE LOCATED. IN THE ALLEY, THE SIDE AND THE REAR YARD AND TO BE FULLY SCREENED FROM THE STREET CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE EXISTING UTILITY STRUCTURES ALONG MAIN STREET, UH, BE RELOCATED AND IF THEY CANNOT BE RELOCATED, THEY WOULD BE BURIED[00:05:04]
OR VAULTED. IN ORDER TO MEET THIS STANDARD. YEAH. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND ALL OF THE GRAY PARKING LOT AREA IS WHAT IS PROPOSED. THE URBAN CENTER CODE REQUIRES THE MAXIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK TO BE 20 FT. AND IN THIS CASE, THE SIDE YARD IS, UM ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE, WHERE IT'S LABELED. AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 130 FT SETBACK ALONG THAT, UH, SOUTHEASTERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE. WHILE IT DOES NOT MEET THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THE POSITION OF THE BUILDING IS ONE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ADJACENT BUILDING THAT SHARES THE CURB CUT DRIVE, MILES AND PARKING SPACES. AND IN THIS CASE , THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY WITH THE PARKING MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE SET BACK TO EVER BE MET. UM, THE NEXT WAIVER IS FOR, UH THE, UH, REQUIREMENT TO THE MINIMUM BUILDING WIDTH, WHICH IS TO BE 80 FT. OR SORRY 80% OF THE LOT WITH THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A BUILDING WITH, UH 71.3% MAIN STREET, WHICH IS, UM, INDICATED HERE WITH THIS ARROW. AND THEN 29% ALONG MILLER AVENUE. THAT IS WAIVER LETTER C. WHILE THE BUILDING WIDTH IS SMALLER THAN WHAT CODE REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE LOT STILL SUBSTANTIALLY FILLS THE FRONTAGE ALONG MAIN STREET WITH THE HELP OF THE FENCED AND PLAYGROUND. IN ADDITION, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS ARE, UM ALSO NOT MEETING THIS CODE REQUIREMENT. THEREFORE THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA AND DO TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AGAIN. THE REQUIRED FRONTAGE COULD NEVER BE ACHIEVED. FOR THE NEXT WAIVER LABELED ON THE SCREEN AS D. THE URBAN CENTER CODE REQUIRES SITES CONTAINING THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY OF TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF ONE SPACE PER 400 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA . THE APPLICANT PROPOSES, UM, A BUILDING THAT WOULD PERMIT A MAXIMUM OF 37 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 55. STREET PARKING SPACES. ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES EXCEPT FOR UH, THE FOUR LOCATED IMMEDIATELY. LONG MILLER AVENUE ARE MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SETBACK AND ARE APPROPRIATELY LOCATED ON THE SITE BEHIND THE BUILDING. AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THERE ARE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT SOME PLACE BETWEEN THEIR SITE AND THE ADJACENT SITE, ALLOWING FOR SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE TWO USERS, WHICH IS A POSITIVE ASPECT OF THE PLAN AND, UH, NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL. FOR THE LAST WAIVER ON THIS SLIDE WAIVER F UH, THE URBAN CENTER CODE STATES THAT SURFACE PARKING SHALL BE 10 FT. BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING . THE APPLICANT PROPOSES FOR PARKING SPACES ALONG MILLER AVENUE. UH, LABELED AS D. AND THOSE ARE CLOSER THAN THE 10 FT. BEHIND THE BUILDING FACADE. ONE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO PERHAPS, UH, REMOVE TWO PARKING SPACES, UM, IN THIS AREA WITHIN THE PARKING LOT. AND SHIFT THIS ISLAND OVER AND ESSENTIALLY JUST SHIFT EVERYTHING OVER A LITTLE BIT. UM THAT WOULD ALLOW THESE PARKING SPACES TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING FACADE. UH THE WAIVER WOULD REDUCE, UM. BY A LOT, MAYBE NOT COMPLETELY BUT WOULD BE ONLY BE OFF BY A FOOT. AND SO THE INTENT AND IN THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE, UM STANDARD COULD POTENTIALLY BE MET. THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS A REVIEWED THE PROPOSED, UH, ARCHITECTURE AND IS SUPPORTIVE. OVERALL IT IS A BUILDING THAT MATCHES THE STANDARDS FOUND WITHIN THE URBAN CENTER CODE AND THE NEW ALBANESE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS. THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL OF THE BUILDING IS MOSTLY BRICK, WHICH MEETS CODE.[00:10:06]
THE APPLICANT IS INCLUDING SECTIONS OF HARDY PLANK SIDING, THE DGR STATE THAT THEY USE OF MATERIALS OTHER THAN WOOD AND BRICK MUST BE APPROVED BY THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. AND THEY USE OF THESE MATERIALS. UH, SUCH AS HARDY PLANK MAY BE APPROPRIATE WHEN THEY ARE USED IN THE SAME WAY AS TRADITIONAL MATERIALS WOULD HAVE BEEN USED. UH, THE URBAN CENTER CODE ALSO REQUIRES EACH FRONT AND SIDE YARD ENTRANCE TO INCORPORATE PERMITTED BUILDING FRONTAGES PERMITTED BUILDING FRONTAGES IN THE VILLAGE CORE INCLUDE A STOOP , A COVERED STOOP, UH, SIDE STOOP BALCONY, STOREFRONT, AWNING GALLERY AND ARCADE. AS PROPOSED THE TWO FRONTAGES OR FRONT ENTRANCES ALONG MAIN STREET AND MILLER AVENUE DO NOT MEET THE STANDARD. THE APPLICANT STATES THAT WHILE THE ENTRY FEATURES ALONG MAIN STREET AND MILLER AVENUE DO NOT CONFORM TO THE REQUIRED BUILDING, FRONTAGES , THEY ARE ARTICULATED WITH DETAILED DIMENSIONAL ORNAMENTAL SURROUNDINGS THAT THEY FEEL RESPECT THE INTENT OF THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THE VISUAL INTEREST. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT INDICATES THAT THE LOCATION OF THE UTILITY EASEMENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE FACES OF THE BUILDING. UM WITH THAT, CONSTRUCTING THE PROJECTIONS MAKE ESSENTIALLY CONSTRUCTION NOT FEASIBLE. AND THESE ARE ADDITIONAL, UH, RENDERINGS OF THE ELEVATIONS AT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS ALONG MAIN STREET ARE, UM, STILL NICELY ARTICULATED AND AGAIN ON, UH, MILLER AVENUE AS WELL ALONG THIS. I THINK THAT'S MILLER. ROB, YOU CAN'T READ THAT. ANY WRITING ON. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT MEETS CODE IN ALL ASPECTS, EXCEPT WITH REGARD TO THE SIZE OF ONE PENINSULA. LANDSCAPE AREAS SHALL BE SMALLER THAN OR SHALL NOT BE SMALLER THAN 350 SQUARE FEET, AND ONE OF THE TWO NEW PENINSULAS ARE PROPOSED TO BE 235 SQUARE FEET. UM WHICH IS INDICATED ON THE SCREEN WITH THE LETTER E. UH EVEN SO THE PLAN IS STILL SEPARATING THE PARKING LOT INTO A SERIES OF SMALLER, INTERCONNECTED LOTS. AND WHILE THE PENINSULA IS SMALLER THAN WHAT CODE ALLOWS THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS NO CONCERNS WITH THE SIZE AND THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING CAN STILL BE PLANTED IN SUCCESSFULLY GROW IN THESE PENINSULAS. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THREE SIGNS AND THEY ARE ALL WALL SIGNS TO ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ONE ON THE REAR. UM THE STAFF REPORT HAD INDICATED THAT ONE OF THE WALL SIGNS WAS, UM, TOO LARGE AND DID NOT NEED CODE. THAT IS THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER HERE SINCE THE STAFF REPORT WITHOUT THE APPLICANT DID REVISE THE SIGN TO MEET CODE, AND IT IS NOW PROPOSED TO BE 40 SQUARE FEET. UH, THIS SECTION OF MAIN STREET IS DESIGNED AS VILLAGE STREET AND THE DEVELOPER WILL NEED TO INSTALL ON STREET PARKING, SIDEWALK AND STREET TREES ON MAIN STREET IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE STANDARDS LISTED ON THE SCREEN, AND THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE TO MEET ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS AND MILLER AVENUE ALREADY HAS EXISTING STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, SO THEY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE THEY ARE ALREADY IN TODAY. UM IN CONCLUSION, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS MANY OF THE ENGAGED NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN GOALS, INCLUDING IMPLEMENTING RETAIL INFILL TO CREATE A CONTINUOUS AND ACTIVATED STREET FRONTAGE THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORKING IN THE VILLAGE CENTER THROUGH THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE A RB SHOULD EVALUATE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE FOUR PARKING SPACES THAT DO NOT MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ALONG MILLER AVENUE. THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IS IDENTIFIED IN THE ENGAGED NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. HOWEVER THESE PARKING SPACES MAY NOT BE[00:15:04]
APPROPRIATE IN DESIGN AND PATTERN. UM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, CONSIDERING THE URBAN CONTEXT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND, UM, THEY WOULD BE THE SAME DISTANCE AS THE SIDEWALK IN THE STREET.UH, THE SIDEWALK THE BUILDING IS TO THE SIDEWALK. SHOULD THE AIR BE APPROVED? THE APPLICATION DO RECOMMENDS THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE REPORT. AND WE HAVE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, CAN YOU TOUCH BASE REAL QUICK ON THE, UM, UH, REQUIRED LOADING SPACE. OH, YES. UH, THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY WAS PROPOSING, UM, A WAIVER REQUEST FOR NOT MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE ONE LOADING SPACE. UM IN FURTHER REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN STAFF THINKS THAT THERE IS PROBABLY ROOM UM, POTENTIALLY. BEHIND THE BUILDING IN THIS SPACE, UM FOR ONE LOADING SPACE TO MEET CODES, SO WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THAT REVISION AND THEY WOULD NOT NEED THE WAIVER. OK, SO THERE'S REALLY NO NEED TO BRING IT UP.
IN THE MOTION AT ALL, OK? LIKE. TO HI THERE. CARDI B 4400 NORTH HIGH STREET. COLS OHIO 43214.
UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT. WHILE I DESIGNED A LOT OF BUILDINGS AROUND IT THROUGH ALL THEM. THIS IS THE FIRST IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO IT IT'S QUITE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND, UM WE . HOPE THAT YOU AGREE THAT WE'VE WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB IN IN CONFORMING TO THE INTENT OF WHAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE. THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM EXPERIENCES OR WAIVERS THAT ARE REQUESTED HERE, BUT, UH, II, I THINK THE GENERAL DESIGN DOES MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THOSE GUIDELINES. AND YOU KNOW, UM, WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE TECHNICALITIES ON THE WAIVERS. ALLOW US TO CREATE A REALLY NICE ADDITION TO THAT STRETCH OF MAIN STREET. UM BROUGHT WITH ME TONIGHT. SOME MATERIALS. UH, THIS IS. THE ALBANY BRICK THAT WE'RE POSING ON THE BUILDING. AND THERE'S ALSO LIKELY BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ON THE COLOR OF THE PAINT. SO I'LL BRING THESE UP AND SEE YOU. DARK. GREEN COLOR. THAT PARTICULAR RICK, WE'VE USED SEVERAL TIMES AROUND NEW ALBANY.
UM THE LARGEST EXAMPLE OF IT IS ON THE HOME. TWO UP AT SMITH'S MILL. THERE ARE TWO REPS USED ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, AND THIS IS THE DARKER RED OF THE TWO. UM, AND THAT CAME OUT. BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL USE OF THAT MATERIAL, SO UM. WITH REGARD TO THE PARKING, UM, JUST WE'VE DONE I DON'T KNOW 10 OR 11 OF THESE SCHOOLS AND THAT 55 PARKING SPACE AREA IS WHERE WE LIKE TO HIT. WE DO HAVE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. UH JIM YEAGER, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CURRENT OWNERS AND, UM THEY'RE WORKING OUT AN AGREEMENT WHERE YOU KNOW, AT PEAK TIMES FOR EITHER ONE OF US, WE CAN SPILL INTO THE OTHER'S PARKING LOT. UM BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO PIGEONHOLE OURSELVES INTO A SITUATION WHERE WHEN BOTH ARE VERY ACTIVE, UH, WE'RE CREATING AN INCONVENIENCE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. SO UH, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TRIED TO PUT AS MANY PARKING SPACES ON SITE FOR OUR USE. UM AND. THE FOUR THAT ARE LONG MILLER THERE. PRETTY MUCH A LINE WITH THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. THEY MEET THE BUILDING SET BACK, BUT AS CHELSEA MENTIONED THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK FROM THAT FOR THE PARKING SO YES, WE DO ENCROACH BY 10 FT. ON THAT SIDE, AND, UM YOU KNOW, WE THAT WAS VERY CREATIVE IDEA YOU HAD THAT WOULD BE A NET LOSS OF TWO SPACES. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY CONSIDER IF, UH, IF YOU ALL FEEL THAT IT'S NECESSARY UM OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I. I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALLY FITTING. UM NICE, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS. GREAT PROPORTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETHING THAT'LL JUST REALLY, UH, DO A NICE JOB OF IN FILLING THAT THAT SPACE ALONG MAIN STREET. THE LAST ITEM THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TOUCH ON IS THE EXISTING UTILITY BOXES THAT ARE OUT THERE. UM YOU KNOW, THESE
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ARE UTILITIES THAT ARE NOT PART OF OUR PROJECT. THEY'RE NOT BEING INSTALLED AS PART OF OUR PROJECT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, INSTALLED IN THESE IN THESE EASEMENTS. AND APPROVED AT SOME POINT TO BE THE WAY THEY ARE, UM , CAN HELP YOU REALLY MASSIVE UNDERTAKING, NOT ONLY FROM A TIME OF COMMUNICATION STANDPOINT , BUT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, BURY THOSE SO WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO SCREEN THEM, UM WITH A HEAVY ROBE ARBOR, BUT NOT EVERYBODY, UM, VIBURNUM. ALONG THE MAIN STREET SIDE, WHICH IS A FAST GROWING DENSE PLAN. UM SO. WE WOULD LIKE TO OBVIOUSLY GO THE COURSE OF SCREENING THOSE RATHER THAN THAN TRYING TO BURY THEM. RELOCATION WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THESE ESTABLISHED EASEMENTS, AND WE COULDN'T NECESSARILY FORCE THESE UTILITY COMPANIES OR WHOEVER OWNS THEM TO MOVE THEM, SO THE OPTION WOULD BE VARYING. UM SO. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO OPEN THAT UP FOR CONVERSATION AND SEE IF YOU ALL BE OPEN THE IDEA OF HEAVY LANDSCAPING I PROPOSE YEAH. WHAT'S THE STAFF THOUGHT ON THOSE, YOU KNOW? HOW MUCH HEARTBURN IS INVOLVED WITH GETTING THOSE BURIED VAULTED VERSUS YOU KNOW, RELOCATION DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN OPTION. YEAH, WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HELP OUT THE APPLICANT. WE HAVE CONTACTS WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES TO COORDINATE THOSE THINGS. SOMETIMES THE HARDEST PART IS JUST FINDING THE RIGHT PERSON TO TALK TO WITH THESE BIG , YOU KNOW, PUBLIC UTILITY COMPANIES. UH, SO WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, LEND ANY EXPERTISE OR CONTACTS WE HAVE. I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY AS THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE BURIED SINCE IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT. UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY WE CAN. YOU KNOW HOW THEY WERE THEY IMPROVED. WHERE THEY JUST STUCK THERE. I MEAN, WAS THERE SOME OFFICIAL APPROVAL PROCESS THAT PUT IN THERE LIKE THEY ARE TODAY? SO THEY THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. A LOT OF TIMES. WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE UNDEVELOPED SITES HAVE YOU KNOW BOXES AND UNDERGROUND UTILITIES THAT ARE SERVING OTHER SITES, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN, I THINK WITH ALL OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, UM OR REDEVELOPMENTS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, THEY'VE EITHER BEEN RELOCATED OR BURIED AT THAT TIME . SO WE FOUND SUCCESS IN THE PAST, AND WE'VE LIKE LEARNED. YOU KNOW WHO TO TALK TO THROUGH THOSE THINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST SORT OF A REMNANT OF AN UNDEVELOPED LOTS. YOU KNOW THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. CAN YOU SORRY. GOOD, FRANCIS. UM. SO HOW FAR SO IT LOOKS THAT YOU WHERE THEY'RE SITTING. I DROVE BY THE SITE TODAY AND LIKE, I THINK GONNA BE LIKE, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FENCE. AND THEY'RE PRETTY FAR BACK OFF. THE COUPLE OF THOSE ARE SEE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA I WAS GONNA SEE IF EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT COULD KIND OF GENERALLY LOCATE WHERE THOSE TRANSFORMERS ARE GONNA LAND ON THE SITE PLAN, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? WE CAN FIND ONE THERE. YEAH I KNOW. CARTER HELPED ME OUT, TOO. I KNOW THERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE.THERE'S ONE IN THE CORNER HERE, RIGHT? THERE'S A NEW ONE THAT IS LIKE PUSHED BEHIND THE BUILDING ALONG MILLER AVE. HERE SO THIS ONE IS FINE. THAT'S THERE. AND THEN ONE RIGHT HERE AS WELL.
WELL, I DON'T THINK SO. THEY'RE ROOFED OVER TO THE LEFT HERE. SO ARE YOU ABLE TO ZOOM IN AT ALL TO THE RIGHT HERE? YES. YEP YEP. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE CLUSTERED OVER BY THE PLAYGROUND END OF OUR BUILDING, AND ONE OF THEM IS AN ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMER. WHAT? I DON'T KNOW, UH IN BASE UPON CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM TRANSFORMERS. UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF DISTANCE. ARE BUILDING IS 10 FT. AWAY FROM THAT PARTICULAR TRANSFORMER, SO IT'S ANOTHER. BOY PROBABLY 14 FT. UP TO THE SIDEWALK THERE. I THINK THE OTHER THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, TOO. IS THE CITY I. I MEAN, HOPEFULLY, AT SOME POINT THIS YEAR, UH, WE'LL BEGIN OUR, UM MARKET STREET EXTENSION PROJECTS. I THINK WE'VE TOLD A RB ABOUT THIS BEFORE, SO THAT'S EXTENDING MARKET STREET UP TO A THIRD STREET AND SO AS PART OF THAT CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, WE CAN TALK TIMELINES THERE MIGHT BE. I'M I'M HOPING AND I'M I WOULD FEEL LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER ON THOSE THINGS. UM, SINCE I BELIEVE WE'LL BE DOING SOME UTILITY RELOCATING AND BURIALS AS WELL. THERE. HAVE WE CONFIRMED THAT THESE WERE IN USE? OR ARE THEY JUST FUTURE PEDESTALS OR TRANSFORMERS OR WHATEVER WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED HERE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE NOAH'S HAS AN ACTIVE TRANSFORMER. ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY DO? UH, WE HAVE NOT CONFIRMED YET WITH THE STATUS OR EVEN WHOSE BOXES? THESE ARE, UH, ALONG, UH, CLOSER TO THE STREET THERE. IT'S NOT LIKE WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THESE. I JUST HATE BUILDING A BEAUTIFUL NEW BUILDING AND THEN HAVING
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EVEN IF WE SCREEN THEM, THEY STILL HAVE THESE TWO KIND OF YEAH. GREEN BOXES. THEY WERE SITTING RIGHT IN THE YOU KNOW THE FOCAL POINT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY'RE HIDES SUCH A SMALL PROPERTY RIGHT THAT HAS LIMITED SCOPE ON DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? UM, SO THE.PROPORTION OF COST IS A LITTLE BIT HEAVY. YEAH, IT'LL BE FINANCIAL. STEVEN IN THIS. THE CITY IS EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST WITH RELOCATING. TRANSFERS TO UTILITIES. IS IT 100% ON THE YEAH. LAND OWNER OR JUST A P. UH, PARTNER IN ANY OF THE COST OF TO RELOCATE. I'M NOT AWARE OF A P PARTNERING IN ANY OF THE COST. UH, HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN, UM THE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS RESPONSIBILITY TO, UM TO BURY OR RELOCATE THOSE ITEMS AGAIN. THE CITY IS STAFF HAS PROVIDED ASSISTANCE FOR CONNECTIONS IN OTHER WAYS THAT YOU KNOW AND OTHER MEANS, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, HELP GUIDE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE FOR DEVELOPERS IN THE PAST, AS WELL THROUGH OTHER VARIOUS FORMS. AND POTENTIALLY, THERE'S UM, PARTNERSHIPS FOR THE MARKET STREET EXTENSION PROJECT FOR THIS AS WELL THAT WE CAN, UM PUT CARTER IN AND, UH, JIM IN CONTACT WITH SO THEY CAN TALK TO OUR CITY ENGINEERS. UM, AS AS THOSE PLANS, PROGRESS AS WELL.
YEAH THIS IS NOT A GLIDE PATH FOR APPROVAL. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SORT OF LEAVE THIS. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, EVERYBODY I PICTURE THE APPLICANTS INCLUDED WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE GO AWAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE CAR HALL WOULD BE SITUATION THAT MAY BE UNTENABLE FOR THEM, BUT WHAT DO WE ARE WE BEST MANAGE THAT YOU THINK WITH WITH THIS BOARD. I THINK THE BEST THING THAT TO MAKE THE, UM I THINK IT YOU KNOW THE WAY THE STAFF REPORTS RIGHT NOW, AND THE CONDITIONS THAT IT'S THE OBLIGATION OF THE DEVELOPER TO RELOCATE THOSE BOXES. UM SO I THINK BY DOING NOTHING, THEN THAT'S IS WILL STAY THE COURSE. UM I THINK CERTAINLY, UM, YOU COULD PUT IT, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THERE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER COORDINATE WITH THE CITY ENGINEER ON THOSE RELOCATIONS. UM AND LOOK FOR OTHER, UM, PARTNERSHIPS FOR THE BURIAL RELOCATION OF THOSE, UH, PUBLIC UTILITIES. I FEEL LIKE WE JUST NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE. WHAT THEY ARE, HOW THEY COULD BE RELOCATED. AND I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, COME BACK AND $200,000 LINE ITEM TO THEN, OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK AROUND IT. BUT I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. YEAH AND I GUESS YOU COULD ALSO MAKE IT SUBJECT TO THE, UH, CITY ENGINEER. UM BECAUSE THAT, I GUESS PROVIDE TO HAVE SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS ON THOSE RELOCATIONS. YEAH, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. UM, TALK ON THAT THEN. YOU KNOW, LIKE GIVEN, UH YEAH, I IT IT IS, UH. WE? WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S INVOLVED HERE. UM I THINK IF WE HAD BEEN TO YOUR POINT AROUND MORE DUE DILIGENCE LIKE WITH THE IMPACT OF THE OVERALL TIMELINE OF THE PROJECT. AND THE . SCOPES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS WELL AS JUST THE YOU KNOW, THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM IT'S REAL CRITICAL THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BURY THOSE, UM JUST IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. IF THIS WAS A MULTI, YOU KNOW, FIVE ACRE, MULTI BUILDING DIFFERENT TENANTS , AND WE HAD THE ABILITY TO ABSORB SOME OF THAT COST, AND WE JUST DON'T IN THIS SITUATION. UM BUT THAT SAID, MAYBE WE DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. THE PROPOSED SCREENING THAT CARTER AND OUR, UM LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS G TWO PLANNING HAVE, UH, COME UP WITH IS VERY ROBUST IN NATURE IN TERMS OF SHIELDING THESE THINGS FROM THE PUBLIC EYE, UM ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE A PLAYGROUND TO THE WHAT WOULD THAT BE EAST NOW EAST SOUTHEAST SO THERE THEY ARE KIND OF ALL SIDES BOXED IN. UM. SO THAT I GUESS THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON IT. UM I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ADDRESS IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OURS. WE DON'T WANT THEM UNTIL SOMEBODY GOES OUT AND OPENS THE DOORS UP AND YOU LOOK INSIDE AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. THEN I YOU KNOW IT. IT COULD BE IT COULD BE AN EASY FIX. IT COULD BE A SUPER EXPENSIVE FIX, AND THAT'S WHY I JUST I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. AND I THINK, UH, YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER K MAKES A GREAT S. I HEARD YOU SAY TIME TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK
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THE MECHANISM OF RELIEF FOR BEARING OR RELOCATING THOSE WOULD BE ANOTHER WAIVER. SO THAT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. BUT CERTAINLY ONCE WE OPEN THOSE WE KNOW MORE AND THEN YOU GUYS COULD ALWAYS COME BACK. WE CAN WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW. FAST AS POSSIBLE, SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR TIMING AND COME BACK FOR A WAIVER AT THAT TIME. ONCE WE KNOW MORE, I MEAN, IF WE COULD PROCEED FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO WORK THAT OUT UM. YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT RELATED TO OUR PROJECT, SO YOU KNOW IT'S NOT AS IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW OUR PROJECT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THEM BEING VERY LATER. BUT I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GETTING POWER. LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET POWER FROM SOMEWHERE. YOU KNOW FOR YOUR PROJECT, AND I'M ASSUMING IT COULD BE THAT TRANSFORMER BY NOAH'S OR UM, SO THAT CONSULT IS GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO WITH THESE, SO I WOULD SCHEDULE THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. UH, TRANSFORMERS BEHIND. ARE BUILDING BEHIND OUR MAIN BUT ALONG THE WAY, YEAH. ONE QUESTION WITH WITH YOUR NEW TRANSFORMER. HAS ANYBODY REACHED OUT TO A EP ON YOUR REQUIREMENTS AS A EP LOOKED AT THE SITE PROVIDED A CONSTRUCTION AND AID? NOT YET. ESTIMATE? YEAH. TO COSMIC KISS POINT THEY THEY MAY END UP YOU KNOW, MOVING THOSE ON THEIR OWN AS PART OF THIS WHOLE RIGHT DEVELOPMENTS? YEAH.THAT'LL BE A NEXT STEP FOR US. YEAH, WE'LL DO A LOT MORE RESEARCH INTO THESE UTILITIES.
OK AND TALK ABOUT TIMELINES, TRANSFORMERS OR YES, THEY ARE HARD TO GET. UH SO THAT COULD BE A 12 MONTH LEAD TIME SO YEAH, I GET A P ON THE HORN. MHM TOMORROW. RIGHT? OK, MAYBE IT'S A GOOD IDEA IF WE GO THROUGH EACH OF THE WAIVERS. ONE BY ONE, SEE IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY HEARTBURN. SO THE FIRST WAIVER REGARDS. UH. A LOT WITH APPROXIMATELY 215 FT, WHERE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM, UH, MAXIMUM WIDTH OF 200 FT. ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS ONE? I THINK IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR. WE ARE PRETTY CLEAR. IT'S A CHOICE. LIMITATION IS A LOT EXACTLY WAIVER. B UH, SIMILAR, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACK. 100 AND 30 FT. WHERE CODE REQUIRES 20 FT SETBACK. MY ONLY QUESTION. SORRY, YOU KNOW CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT VERY FIRST SLIDE THAT IT LABELED THE REAR INSIDE SET BACK? MY ONLY QUESTION WAS. I MEAN, MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY. IF I'M ORIENTING THE SITE, I'M THINKING SIDE YARD IS BASICALLY SIDE OF YOUR YARD WOULD BE REVERSED IF I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SITE. CAN YOU JUST TOUCH ON THAT? YES SO THE WAY UM, CODE DEFINES SIDE AND MARRI IS BASED ON THE, UM BASICALLY, THERE'S TWO FRONTAGES ON MAIN STREET AND MILLER AVENUE AND THE REAR YARD IS OPPOSITE THE NARROWEST FRONTAGE. SO MILLER IS NARROWER THAN MAIN STREET. SO THE REAR YARD IS OPPOSITE OF UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE IT'S A CORNER LOT, SO YOU HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS AND YOU KIND OF HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH IS THE REAR YARD, AND IT'S JUST BASED ON THE OPPOSITE OF THE MOST NARROW FRONTAGE. IT DEFINITELY LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE THE REAR YARD BUT JUST DUE TO THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION IN CITY CODE, IT'S CREATING THAT THAT, UM, THAT WAIVER, SO IT'S A WAIVER REQUIREMENT FOR SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE. IT CAN EASILY BE EXPLAINED IN THAT. UH, I SEE. ON THE WAIVER WAS FOR TWO OF OUR BUILDING LIST TO BE 71.3% AND 29% WERE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 80. YEAH. NO ISSUES. D. UH, WAIVER SECTION 2.89 0.2 TO ALLOW 55 0 STREET PARKING SPACES WHERE CODE REQUIRES A MAXIMUM OF 37 SPACES.
I THINK WE'RE GOOD HERE. THE ONLY ISSUE THERE IS WELL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER POINT WHERE WE GET FURTHER ON WITH THE, UH THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES AND I MEAN STAFFS GOOD WITH BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. UM, YOU GO WITH THE JUMP. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THE JUMP AGAIN.
YEAH, THE D IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS MEETING CODE REQUIREMENTS. WE THINK IT ACTUALLY MAKES UH ANOTHER LIKE, UM, I GUESS. GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT IS TRUE. SHARED PARKING SO PLACES LIKE BEHIND THE HEIGHTS CENTER. THERE'S MORE PARKING THERE, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S SHARED. SO WE THINK THAT'S ANOTHER LIKE MERIT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE WITH THE, UH, POTENTIAL SHARE WITH DIFFERENT USERS. OK? UM WAIVER E. UM THIS THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE PENINSULA AND THE ISLANDS. UH, BEING CONSTRUCTED. UH, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE
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EXISTING CONDITIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION ON ON THAT ONE. IF WE WERE TO TAKE YOUR IDEA TO MOVE.ISLAND. UM TO THE I GUESS, TO THE SOUTH TOWARDS THE LETTER F ON THE SCREEN. AND WITH THAT LIMIT THIS WAIVER TO BECAUSE THAT PENCIL NOW BE LARGER. HE WOULD GET AWAY ENTIRELY. AND PROBABLY WOULD. YEAH I PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE THAT WAIVER GO AWAY BECAUSE YOU'D BE ESSENTIALLY ELONGATING THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT, OR BY 9 FT. YEAH, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. BUT IT IT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE OR IT LIKELY WOULD. YEAH, AND SO THEN TO HAVE LIKE I WE GONNA MOVE ON THAT, BUT I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO MOVE THOSE SORRY. THE SPACE BACK, BUT IT DOESN'T CUT YOU ALL TOO MUCH HEARTBURN TO CHANGE THAT CYCLE. I'M SURE SOUNDS LIKE WE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING. WE GET RID OF A WAIVER AND GET THE CITY HAPPY ENOUGH, THEN, RIGHT? OR WOULD YOU SAY WE STILL BE 99 FEE? SO WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A WAIVER? SO I GUESS. YEAH, BECAUSE A PARKING SPACE WITH IS 9 FT. WE AND WE THINK IT'S REASONABLE. JUST IMPACT, TOO. WE THINK THAT THIS WAS SET BACK 9 FT INSTEAD OF 10. THAT'S BY. WE THINK THAT'S MEETING THE SPIRIT IN 10, SINCE IT'S ONLY OFF BY 1 FT AND KEEPS THE CHARACTER OF THE OTHER ROADWAYS. SO WE DON'T NEED. WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING OF THE WAIVER, RIGHT? NO, WE CAN JUST ADD A CONDITION THAT, UH THAT WE STILL HAVE TO. I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A WAIVER BECAUSE THIS REQUIRES 10 SO, BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED WE DON'T SPECIFY THE SETBACK. SO WE NEED TO ADD THE CONDITION IN ADDITION TO THE WAIVER, SO THE WAY THE WAIVER WAS REQUESTED, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE EXACT STEP BACK.
UNLESS YOU THINK THAT THEY SHOULD PROBABLY THE CLEAREST THING I LOOK AT CHRISTINA, TOO, FOR THE RECORD WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THE WAIVER BECAUSE WE THINK THEY'LL STILL NEED TO BE ONE. BUT JUST TO MAKE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. UM, THAT'S TWO OF THE INTERIOR PARKING SPACES ARE REMOVED, AND THAT'S THE FOUR SPACES ALONG MILLER OR SETBACK, 9 FT.
BASICALLY THE SILENCE SLIDES OVER AND THEN THESE WOULD SLIDE OVER TO ABOUT HERE AS WELL. DOES EVERYONE THINK WE EDNE TO? YOU GUYS ALL WANT TO DO THAT? ONLY RESIDE. I DON'T THINK IT'S AS BIG A DEAL AS BECAUSE THAT IS AN ACCESS DRIVE, SO IT'S NOT AS YEAH. FORT MILLER, IS THERE? YEAH I. I DIDN'T HAVE A BIG DEAL WITH IT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY HAD SOME HEARTBURN WITH ITS STAFF. SO I THINK IT ALSO WHAT WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION. IT DOES SAY, ACCESS DRIVE. IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD TODAY, BUT IT IS BUILT AND DESIGNED A PUBLIC STREET STANDARDS. THE ACTUALLY WILL BE A PUBLICLY DEDICATED STREET AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WILL BE AN EXTENSION OF MILLER AVENUE. THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAIN STREET WHEN THE GRANGE DEVELOPMENT LOOKS NOW FIRST AND MAIN WHEN, IN SOME YEARS AGO, WE DID A RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AGREEMENT SO THAT WHEN THAT PROJECT EXPANDS AT THAT TIME, UM THAT WILL BE SORT OF THE TRIGGER, SO TO SPEAK OF THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO DEDICATING THIS ROAD TO THE CITY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE THAT DRIVE IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING. GOOD NOW. AND THEN THAT JUST LEAVES G WAY FOR G. UM IT HAS TO DO WITH THE STOOP COVERED STOOP SIDE STOOPS BALCONY, STOREFRONT AWNINGS, GALLERY, I. I THINK WHAT YOU PREPARE IS WHAT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. IT WAS REALLY NICE LOOKING STOREFRONT. FOR ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH LIMITED SETBACK THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHERS FEEL. I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH SOME OTHER LIKE UM. IT WAS HIS MARKET MARKET STREET. I THINK IN STARBUCKS, IT'S THE SAME. YEAH, SAME LOOK. YEAH. I MEAN, STAFF IS PRETTY PLEASED WITH IT AS WELL. SO NO ISSUES THERE. NO ISSUES. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? WE TALK ABOUT THE SIGNS? YES SO AM I CORRECT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TWO SIGNS ABOVE THE SAME DOOR? SO ONE OF THEM IS THE LONG UH, S. SEE THE BUG LEFT THERE. AND THE OTHER IS THAT CIRCULAR TREE GRAPHIC UP IN THE GABLE. SO, YES , THEY WOULD. THEY WOULD BOTH BE IN THAT SAME GABLE ELEMENT, BUT ONE IS A GRAPHIC OF THE OTHER IS LETTERING. THE LETTERING. WHICH LETTERING THAT ARE YOU PROPOSING, DEPENDING ON WHICH DOWN BELOW, IT SAYS A DOWN BELOW THE SIDE PANEL FACES MAIN STREET ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT BOTTOM ELEVATION. THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS ARE ABOVE THE PARKING LOT ENTRANCE. IN THAT UPPER. YES. SO THIS SIGN HERE. IS ON
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THE MAIN STREET FRONTAGE. WHICH WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. WITH THE TREE GRAPHIC ABOVE. THIS IS THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING OF THE PARKING LOT. AND THESE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS HERE. ARE LOCATED ON THE CANOPY BACK THERE, AND THEY THEY'RE AFTER THE HALO ILLUMINATED THEY DON'T FACE THE STREET. UM THIS SIDE IS NOT ILLUMINATED AT ALL. AND THE LONG PLAQUE SIGN IT HAS GOOSENECK FIXTURES. EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATING. YOU GONNA PUT A SIGN ON THE DOOR THAT SAYS, GO AROUND THE BACK TO THE ENTRY SINCE THE, UH FAKE ENTRANCES OR INTO, UM, CLASSROOMS. I THINK OUR CLIENTS ARE GONNA KNOW WHERE TO GO. IT'S THAT IT'S A TOTALLY SECURED BUILDING. YOU HAVE TO GET BUZZED IN. OK, SO THAT'S KIND OF YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO.AND SO ALL THE SIGNS NOW MAKE THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS. MY LAST QUESTION IS ON THE COLOR. OF THE HARDY PACK. UM. IS THERE OTHER IS MOST OF ITS WE'VE APPROVED, I BELIEVE HAS BEEN WHITE OR OFF WHITE IN COLOR, SO IT DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DARKER P. IT IS PRETTY DARK, BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME HISTORICAL COLORS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE CITY ARCHITECT, AND YOU GUYS DISCUSS HOW BUT NO, I DIDN'T. UM BUT LOOKING ON MARKET STREET.
THERE ARE QUITE A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF YOU KNOW, DARK GREENS, GRAYS BROWNS, UM. SO THE CITY ARCHITECT ACTUALLY DID COMMENT THAT IT IS A TRADITIONAL COLOR. UM YOU DON'T SEE TOO MUCH OF IT BECAUSE THEY COMMENTED THAT DARKER GREEN WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE COLOR TO MAKE TRADITIONALLY IN AMERICAN ARCHITECTURE, SO IT IS APPROPRIATE, BUT IT'S UH HE KIND OF MADE A JOKE. HOW IT'S A VERY ORNATE COLOR, RIGHT. SO IT IS APPROPRIATED. IT IS HISTORICAL, BUT THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE MUCH OF IT IS BECAUSE IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAKE 100 OR SO YEARS AGO. OK, THANK YOU. I THINK IT FEELS ACADEMIC. COMMENTS. ANYBODY ELSE? SOMEBODY WANNA GIVE A, UH EMOTIONAL SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH WAIVER. NO YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I THINK YOU CAN JUST DO IT ALL IN IN ONE MOTION. SO WE WANNA DO A CONDITION FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE DISCUSSED WITH THE UTILITIES. AND IF SO, WHAT KIND OF WORDING DO YOU WANNA SEE? I THINK WE CAN LEAVE THAT FIRST CONDITION THEN, BUT WE CAN NOTE THAT UM SUBJECT TO, UH CITY ENGINEERS, REW WITH STAFF. AND THE APPLICANT. COMFORTABLE. HOW GOOD OK AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION ABOUT THOSE TWO INTERIORS. PARKING SPACE WOULD BE REMOVED AND OR HEAD IN SPACE AND MOVE SOUTH FOR PROPER SETBACK. THE OTHER TWO CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOTED BY STAFF, I THINK ARE UH, NO LONGER AN ISSUE. MEMBER ADVISED TO MEET CODE AND, UM THE LOADING SPACE.
THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. MAKE A MOTION. WOULD YOU READ THAT? THAT TWO HAD IN SPACES REMOVED.
CONDITION ONE MORE TIME. PLUMS. SURE TWO INTERIOR SPACES. PARKING SPACES TO BE REMOVED.
AND FOUR HEAD IN SPACES. ALONG MILLER AVENUE TO BE MOVED SOUTH FOR PROPER SETBACK.
ALL RIGHT. WELL I WILL, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE A RB 01 2024 SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ALSO SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. NUMBER ONE HAS NOTED, UH ABOVE BROWN UTILITY STRUCTURES. SHE'LL BE RELOCATE. UH, SHE'LL BE LOCATED IN THE ALLEY SIDE REAR YARD FULLY SCREENED FROM THE STREET. IF THE EXISTING UTILITY STRUCTURES ALONG MAIN STREET CANNOT BE RELOCATED, THEY MUST BE BURIED OR BOLTED. THIS IS SUBJECT TO STA, UH, CITY ENGINEER. UM AND THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T KNOW. CO ORDINATED WITH STAFF. AND THEN EDITION NUMBER. TWO NOT OF THE TWO INTERIOR SPACES, REMOVAL FOR HIDDEN SPACE AND MOVE SOUTH. YOU SAY THE WAIVERS TOO. AT ALL. ASSUMED. I
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THINK YOU CAN SAY WHAT THE WAIVER IS STATED IN THE STACK. REPORT. OK YEAH, AND, YOU KNOW, PER WAIVERS THROUGH G. THERE'S NO THE STAFF REPORT. I'M SORRY. I WANNA BE REMOVING A. I THINK THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO LEAVE EU IE JUST IN CASE YOU CAN LEAVE E, AND THEN IT BECOMES IRRELEVANT. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER WHEN WE YEAH, I WILL. SECOND. MR BROWN? YES MR STROLLER? YES, MISS MOORE? YES. MR DAVEY? YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR. OF APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH WAIVERS A THROUGH G. THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS NUMBER ONE. THE ABOVE GROUND UTILITY STRUCTURES SHOULD BE LOCATED IN THE ALLEY SIDE AND REAR YARD AND FULLY SCREENED FROM THE STREET. THE EXISTING UTILITY STRUCTURES ALONG MAIN STREET CANNOT BE RELOCATED. THEY MUST BE BURIED, VAULTED SUBJECT TO THE CITY ENGINEER REVIEW. WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT APPROVAL. NUMBER TWO, THE TWO INTERIOR SPACES TO BE REMOVED AND FOREHEAD IN SPACES ON MILLER TO BE MOVED SOUTH FOR PROPER SETBACK. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS. EIGHTTH. YEAH. APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE. IS[VIII. Poll members for comment]
THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FROM STAFF OR FROM THE BOARD? ACTUALLY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, UH, A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT AND RECOGNIZE CHELSEA HERE. SHE'S UM , WE'VE IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. LUCKILY SHE'S STAYING WITH THE CITY. BUT SHE'S GOING TO, UH THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENTS FILLING A POINT OR TWO POSITION, SO THIS WILL BE HER LAST A RB MEETING. IF YOU WANNA CATCH HER, SHE'LL BE AT SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD AND IDEA COMMITTEES MOVING FORWARD. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. ONE. ALL RIGHT. SO DO I, UH, HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN. THANK YOU . I JUST HAVE ONE. ACTUALLY ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO DO WE DO WE NEXT MONTH WILL BE OUR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING. CORRECT. ARE WE STILL HAVING IT IF WE DON'T VACATION OR DO WE HAVE A CASE DO WE KNOW SO, UH, CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY UPDATED THE, UH THE CITY CODE TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS, THEN WE CAN JUST PUSH THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING. WHEN WE WHEN WE DO HAVE WHEN WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF APPLICATION THAT WAY, WE'RE NOT HOLDING A MEETING JUST FOR THE ORGANIZATIONAL ITEMS. I DON'T CHELSEA DO WE KNOW DO WE HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS? I DO NOT RECALL. YEAH, WE MAY NOT HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING SUBMITTED. I THINK APRIL IS THE DROP DEAD, THOUGH. I WAS ABLE TO DROP TO BOARD MEETING. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS FOR APRIL. EVEN IF THERE'S NOT AN ITEM. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, AND I'LL BE HAPPY, OK? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE FEBRUARY 12TH A RB MEETING. ONE SECOND. MR STROLLER ? YES, MR DAVY BROWN. YES I MEAN , MR BROWN, MISS MOORE. THE MOTION PASSES FOUR VOTES. GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE. THANKS EVERYBODY* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.