May 06, 2024 Planning Commission

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IS THE COMMISSION. READY ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S CALL THE ORDER. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING

[I. Call to order]

[III. Action on minutes]

[IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda]

[V. Hearing of visitors for items not on tonight's agenda]

IF YOU GET ONE HOUSE TO FIVE ACRES, IS IT REALLY CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE ABOUT. OK AND IF YOU DON'T GET THAT ANSWER IN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, UH, A CHAT WITH STAFF WILL PROBABLY GET IT ANSWERED FOR YOU AS WELL. YEAH, I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A FACT FINDING MISSION AND IT'LL COME UP AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHAT'S GONNA BE SAID THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO REGULAR

[VII. Other business]

SO TODAY WE HAVE ONE DEFINITION FOR A SUBDIVISION AND, UH, IN THE CITY CODE. A SUBDIVISION IS ANY TIME YOU SPLIT A PARCEL INTO TWO OR MORE PARCELS. ANY ONE OF WHICH IS LESS THAN FIVE ACRES.

SO IF YOU ARE CREATING ANY NEW LOTS, AND ANY ONE OF THOSE LOTS IS LESS THAN FIVE ACRES YOU FALL UNDER THE DEFINITION OF A SUBDIVISION. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE A SUBDIVISION? YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A BUNCH OF CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO PLOT IT. AND SO YOU GUYS SEE

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AND THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW THE TACO BELLS AND THE DAIRY QUEENS OF THE WORLD. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PLOT RIGHT. YOU SEE JUST A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT'S BECAUSE THEY FALL UNDER SIMILAR POPULATIONS AS I'M ABOUT TO SHARE WITH YOU HERE. SO WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION? WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT JUST LIKE MINOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISIONS, THIS WOULD BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY CITY STAFF SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS. THERE WOULD ALSO BE NO PLAT REQUIRED. THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A LEGAL, UH, SURVEY. YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN RECORD THAT WITH THE COUNTY SO WE WOULD STILL KNOW THE EXACT UH, MEATS AND BOUNDS OF THAT SPLIT, BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO A FULL BLOWN PLATING. PROCESS WE WOULD ALSO CAP IT AT FIVE LOTS. SO IF YOU ARE CREATING NO MORE THAN FIVE LOTS, THEN THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. WE WE CHOSE FIVE BECAUSE THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HERE IN NEW ALBANY. WE ALSO TALKED TO OUR, UH, LEGAL LEGAL CONSULTANT THAT SPECIALIZES IN ZONING. SO WE HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LEGAL CONSULTANT FOR ZONING AND THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT FIVE IS PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD, UM AND WELL

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YOU ARE NOW. KIND OF CONSIDER A FULL BLOWN SUBDIVISION. RIGHT SO YOU HAVE TO PLOT THAT, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD ANY OTHER SUBDIVISION THAT'S DEDICATING PUBLIC STREET TO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. STEVE ARE THERE ANY SIZE RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE LAWS? SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, SO THE SIZE RESTRICTIONS WOULD COME INTO PLAY WITH THE ZONING AND I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW EXAMPLES WITH YOU IN JUST A SECOND, SO THERE ARE STILL OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES. AND ACTUALLY, THAT'S A GREAT, UH , LEEWAY INTO THIS OTHER ONE, SO WE WOULD ALSO PUT IN SOMETHING IN CODE THAT SAYS THIS PROPOSED DIVISION CANNOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY OTHER SUBDIVISION OR ZONING REGULATIONS. AND SO THAT WAS SORT OF BE THE FAIL SAFE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT JUST KINDA LIKE CREATING AS MANY LOTS AS THEY WANT, RIGHT. OH, ON THE PUBLIC STREET, CAN WE, UM IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IT IN A PRIVATE ROAD. DO WE HAVE A WAY TO STOP THEM? SO THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT THE INTENT.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK INTO THAT. LET'S MAKE A NOTE ABOUT THAT FOR PRIVATE STREETS. YEAH MAYBE WE SHOULD ADD THAT IN THERE FOR EXISTING PRIVATE STREETS AS WELL . YOU KNOW, OUR PHILOSOPHY YOU KNOW, FROM OUR ENGAGED IN ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN IS THAT WE WANT PUBLIC STREETS. UM BUT, YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL MAKE SURE WE COVER THAT WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT AFTERWARDS. AND WHO WOULD REVIEW THESE WHEN THEY BRING THEM FORWARD SO MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WOULD BE REVIEWED JUST BY STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY. OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL STREETS, UH, SHOULD BE PUBLICLY DEDICATED SEPARATE REQUIREMENT. LIKE. DOES THAT ALL MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY. I KIND OF WENT THROUGH THAT MAYBE A LITTLE QUICKLY, BUT I WANNA GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON SORT OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE SEE TODAY AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED TOO.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO RESEARCH THESE MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. WE'VE BEEN WORK WORKSHOPPED THIS INTERNALLY AND SO WE WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND ON ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SO FAR. UM, A QUESTION FOR LEGAL IS UH, THE ABILITY TO DO THIS COULD WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT IT WOULD BE PREDICATED ON LIKE, UM BEING PART OF COMMUNITY AUTHORITY AND OR BEING THE COMMUNITY ALREADY AT A HIGHER RATE. IT'S LIKE WE DIDN'T MAKE YOU YOU AT FIVE D US GROWING UNITS OUT OF THIS. WE DIDN'T TAKE A DIME FOR PARKLAND, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. CAN WE ROLL THAT INTO THE TAX SYSTEM SOMEHOW , SO THAT OVER TIME THE VILLAGE HAS MADE WHOLE OF WHAT WOULD BE PARKLAND MONEY. I DON'T KNOW OFF TOP OF MY HEAD. OK? YEAH. HAVE. YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT ALL NEW LOTS HAVE TO ENTER INTO THE AUTHORITY SO WHETHER THEY ARE ANNEXED OR CREATED VIA A PLAT OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM, WE DO HAVE A CODE. A BLANKET CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM IN THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THEY SAY THEY HAVE TO ENTER INTO THE ANNEXATION. I THINK, YEAH, DEFINITELY UPON ANNEXATION, AND I UH, GO AHEAD. YEAH AND I WAS GONNA SAY, AND I KNOW THAT WE REQUIRED IT AS PART OF ALL THESE OTHER ONES. SO EVEN IF IT IS LIKE A LOT SPLIT, BECAUSE TODAY WE CAN STILL DO SPLITS RIGHT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'D BE DOING HERE. IT'D JUST BE SPLITS UP SMALL PARCELS. SO IF YOU OWN 50 ACRES TODAY, AND WE SEE THIS A LOT, AND YOU WANT TO SPLIT THAT IN TWO, YOU HAVE 225 ACRE PARCELS. BUT THAT WOULDN'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF A SUBDIVISION. RIGHT SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PLOT THAT SO YOU COULD JUST COME IN WITH A SIMPLE APPLICATION. WE CAN KIND OF APPROVE THAT OVER THE COUNTER, AND WE COULD SAY OK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO RECORD THAT WITH THE COUNTING OUT AT CITY APPROVED, SO ESSENTIALLY, WE WOULD BE ALLOWED WE'D BE OR WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY OF STAFF TO DO THAT SAME THING, BUT FOR SMALLER PARCELS. YEAH UM, BUT ALL THE SAME CODE REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY FOR LIKE THINGS LIKE AUTHORITIES AND RECORDINGS AND THOSE ITEMS. MY PREFERENCE TO BE THAT THE I MET THE MENUS THAT THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE MADE TO PROVIDE THAT THEY COULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR JUST NOT UP FRONT. MHM. YEAH I THINK WE CAN. WE CAN LOOK INTO

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UM BILHEIMER. THOSE ARE WHERE WE'RE SEEING THOSE TYPES OF INTEREST WHERE WE WOULD PROBABLY USE THESE MINOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISIONS AND AGAIN, THEY'RE STILL LIKE OTHER ZONING REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT WOULD STILL PUT LIMITS ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT COULD BE, UH, CREATED SO THIS WOULDN'T GIVE YOU KNOW THE PERSON THE ABILITY TO SPLIT A LOT INTO, HOWEVER, WHAT SIZE THEY WANTED, RIGHT AND ACTUALLY, I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW. EXAMPLES HERE NOW, SO THIS IS I JUST PICKED A LOT AT RANDOM. THAT JUST SORT OF FITS THE PARAMETERS SO, BUT THIS IS JUST A LOT I PICKED ALONG HARLEM ROAD HERE. SO LIKE 161 IS JUST OFF THE TOP OF THE PAGE. SO THIS LOT HERE IS ZONED R ONE. IT'S FOUR ACRES. SO THE R ONE ZONING TODAY REQUIRES THAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR AN R ONE ZONE HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE ACRE IN SIZE, AND IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT A MINIMUM LOT FRONTAGE OF 150 FT. SO EVERY R ONE PARCEL HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE ACRE IN SIZE AND HAVE AT LEAST 100 AND 50 FT OF FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET. SO TODAY, UM IF THEY WANTED TO SPLIT THIS LOT INTO TWO, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING A LOT LESS THAN FIVE ACRES SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PLANT IT, UH, AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE ENGINEERING EXERCISES IF THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WAS ADOPTED THE WAY WE'RE PROPOSING IT NOW. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE DIVIDED INTO A MAXIMUM OF TWO LOTS. RIGHT SO EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING ITSELF THE ENTITLEMENT SAYS, YOU KNOW PURELY BY AN ACREAGE STANDPOINT, THIS COULD BE FOUR LOTS. THE LIMITING FACTOR HERE IS THE FRONTAGE. AND SO HERE YOU CAN ONLY CREATE THIS INTO TWO LOTS. AND IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, WELL, THEN IT'S EITHER GONNA BE A VARIANCE FOR A REASON, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. BUT WHAT STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY COULD APPROVE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BOARDING COMMISSION OR PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCILS. APPROVAL UM, WOULD JUST BE TO CREATE THIS INTO TWO LOTS. AND SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE FROM YOU'VE GOT THE R. ONE RECORD IS 150, THE LIMITED MINIMUM FRONTAGE OF 200 FT IN THE BOX, DOWN BELOW. I BELIEVE THAT THE TOTAL LOT FRONT WAS 350. SO I SHOULD SAY 150. THAT'S A TYPE OF SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS ON SUCH A GOOD STREAK, TOO. ALL RIGHT. I MAY EVEN KNOW THE RESIDENT WHO LIVES THERE IF THEY JUST BOUGHT THAT. YEAH NO. SORRY. THEY SHOULD SAY 150. SO THIS WOULD BE M BY LI OF LOST FRIENDS. BUT YEAH, SO IT'S 350. THAT'S HOW MUCH IT REALLY IS. SO THEY'RE LIMITED BY THAT 150. CAUSE THEY COULD ONLY GET TWO IN THERE. SO OK, GOOD. I TOOK IT OUT HERE. SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. SO THIS IS ANOTHER LOT. I JUST PICKED AT RANDOM OUTLINED AND READ HERE. SO THIS IS OWNED AG. THE AG ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT AREA OF FIVE ACRES AND REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOCK FRONTAGE OF 200 FT. SO HERE IF THE MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WAS ADOPTED, THEY ACTUALLY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING HERE BECAUSE THE ZONING REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT ACREAGE OF FIVE, SO IF THEY SPLIT THIS, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN MEET FIVE ACRES FOR EACH LOT. SO THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE THE SORT OF THE CONSTRAINT HERE. SO WHAT? WE WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN THIS CASE WELL, THEY THEY HAVE TWO OPTIONS. THEY COULD EITHER ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR A LOT SIZE TO BE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. WE ALLOW FOR VARIANCES TO DEVELOP STANDARDS OF SIZE IS A STANDARD, NOT A USE. OR YOU KNOW THEY COULD REZONE THE PROPERTY RIGHT? AND SO THAT WOULD GO BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL. I THINK OF VARIANTS IN THIS POINT, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY WOULD GO TO OUR BOARD

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YEAH SO THEY WOULDN'T I? THIS ISN'T AS A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION IS KIND OF LIKE A, UH, AN OPTION THEY CAN CHOOSE. IT WOULDN'T ZONE INTO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE WITH THE INTENTION OF BEING A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT CAN OPT INTO. IF IT WORKED WITH THE ZONING RIGHT, SO THE MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WOULD BE ANOTHER PATH FOR DEVELOPMENT. CONDITIONAL USE, OK? SO YEAH. WOULDN'T CHANGE ANY TYPE OF USES . YOU'D STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE USES. IT WOULD JUST ALLOW STAFF TO, UM YOU KNOW WHERE THE ZONING ALLOWS IT TO ALLOW FOR LOTS TO BE SPLIT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. WHAT'S THE KEY TO THE 150? FT THAT SEEMS LIKE IF IT WAS NARROWER, RIGHT? YOU COULD ACTUALLY ALLOW MORE AND STILL BE UNDER THE FIVE. IS THAT TIED BACK WITH OTHER YEAH, SO THAT'S YEAH. SO THAT'S TIED TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS. SO WE HAVE REALLY FOUR MAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONING, UH, DISTRICTS, SO OUR ONES OR TWOS OR THREES OR FOURS? THAT'S THE NUMBERS GO HIGHER. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, THE DENSER DEVELOPMENT CAN GET RIGHT. SO AN R FOUR HAS MUCH LESS FRONTAGE AND MUCH LESS ACREAGE REQUIREMENT THAN R. ONE SO R ONES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORE RURAL, LARGER LOTS. OUR FORCE ARE MEANT TO BE MORE, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SMALLER, URBANIZED LOTS FOR LACK OF A BEDROOM. GENERALLY SPEAKING , THOSE RISK FOR YOU CAN JUST SAY THAT MANY PER ACRE AND YOU'RE REAL CLOSE TO WHERE IT COMES OUT TO. YEAH SO IF THIS LOT, FOR INSTANCE, WAS IN OUR TWO, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THREE OR FOUR LOTS OUT OF IT. BUT IN THIS CASE IN ORDER TO BE AN R THREE, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY. THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT REZONING, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND DO THE SAME THING. AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE EVALUATED. OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THERE TO MAKE SURE IT'S WHAT WE WANT FOR. YOU KNOW, THIS QUARTER OF THE CITY SOMETHING OUT IN THE TOWNSHIP LIKE THIS. THEY COULD MAKE A CASE FOR OUR ONE BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT RURAL RESIDENT RURAL RESIDENTIAL FIRM NO, IT'S NOT A FARM. THEREFORE IT'S NOT AG. WHAT IS IT? IT'S R ONE AND SO THAT'S 40,000 SQUARE FEET, ALMOST AN ACRE 150 FT OF FRONTAGE. AND THE THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST THING FOR THEM TO SELL TO A BORDER COMMISSION. HIGHER DENSITY WOULD BE A HARDER SELL UNLESS YOU PLANTED IT AND SAID, OK, I'M PUTTING IN THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT'S EVERYTHING. I HAD A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS CONCERNS ON THAT. THAT'S THIS IS GENERALLY WHERE WE'RE HEADED. WITH THIS THIS CODE UPDATE AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE ENTIRE UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A FEW, UH RESIDENTS THAT ARE INTERESTED. IN THIS CODE UPDATES, BUT THIS WOULD YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE MAYBE SOME OF YOU THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF WHILE BUT LIKE THE TIMMONS, UH, THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE IN HARLEM. SO WE'VE WE DO COME ACROSS THESE NOT TOO TOO OFTEN. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE REALIZED THAT NOT HAVING A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION IS RATHER, UM, GO BACK OVER THE QUESTION I HAD EARLIER ABOUT THE LOT. I HAVE THE SIZE OF THE LOT THAT QUALIFIES. SIZE OF THE PROPERTY TO QUALIFIES FOR THIS.

SMALL SUBDIVISION. BECAUSE I'M WONDERING IF I MEAN IF IT'S JUST FIVE LOTS. HOW BIG DO THE LOTS HAVE TO BE? YOU COULD COME IN WITH A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY AND PUT FIVE MEGA MANSIONS IN THERE, AND THEN THAT THAT A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION IF YOU'VE GOT THE FRONTAGE THE FRONT YEAH. YEAH SO THE SIZE? YEAH SO IT'S THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR, UM UH, WEAKEST LINK IS AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, CODE GOES RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO REAL SIZE REQUIREMENTS AS LONG THE ONLY SIZE REQUIREMENT IS MAKING SURE YOU'RE MEETING THESE MINIMUMS OF THE ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY. SO OUR ZONING DISTRICTS WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR EVEN COMMERCIAL, TOO. UM WE HAVE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS, BUT NO MAXIMUMS.

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WE'RE GONNA FIX THE PRIVATE BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CONFIGURE THE LOT. YOU COULD HAVE STREETS GOING THROUGH IT THAT WOULDN'T WITHOUT THE FRONT IS, YEAH, I WOULD STRONGLY OBJECT TO PRIVATE ROADS. ENABLING THIS YEAH, I'M SURE YOU CAN FIND EXAMPLES AND NOT TO MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED WHERE THAT EXISTS, BUT I KNOW WE'VE WE'VE ALL LEARNED AND BECOME MORE SOPHISTICATED AND REALIZED, YEAH , THAT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. AND SO, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET. I MEAN, IT JUST ALSO MAKES SENSE LEGALLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR LOTS AND SO IT ENSURES THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE. UM, BY, YOU KNOW VISITORS, NOT JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, AND THIS ONLY APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL SO IN THIS CASE, YES, THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL WE DO AND ALREADY EXIST. WE HAVE MINOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISIONS ALREADY.

WHERE DOES FALL THAT ALSO FALLS UNDER OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IN 1187. SO THE SAME PLACE WE WOULD PUT THIS UM OH, IT'S FALL AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF BLOCKS AND A LOT HAS TO BE FIVE ACRES. UH SO WE'RE COMMERCIAL. IT ALSO HAS RANGES. JUST LIKE WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, SO R ONE HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE OR FOUR HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF JUST MAKE THIS UP A QUARTER PERIOD. SO COMMERCIAL WORKS THE SAME WAY AND SO SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HAVE DIFFERENT SIZES. THEY'RE GENERALLY LARGER, BUT IT IT ALSO CAN HAVE A RANGE. I'M GONNA ADD AS A CATEGORY. IT IS NOT COMMERCIAL AG SO AG WOULD FALL UNDER RESIDENTIAL HERE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL USES. OK, LET ME GLANCE OVER AT OUR LAWYER AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT OK? WON'T BE OK, ALL RIGHT, SO BUT BECAUSE ALL YOUR LAWS ARE REQUIRED TO BE FIVE ACRES AND 200 SQUARE OR 55 ACRES, IT WOULDN'T FALL. UNDER THIS NEW CODE. YOU COULD DO IT TODAY.

WITHOUT ANY TROUBLE. YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR FARM AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ENOUGH FRONTAGE DROP FIVE ACRE LOTS OFF THE FRONT EDGE UNTIL YOU RAN OUT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU COULD DO THAT TODAY AND THAT THAT IS DONE TODAY. YEAH. YOU COULD HAVE A 20 ACRE LOT WITH 200 FT OF FRONTAGE.

THAT'S OUR ONE. CAN ONLY GET ONE. YOU COULDN'T. YOU COULDN'T SUBDIVIDE IT BECAUSE IT WOULD B IT? YEAH. YEAH AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF IT. LIKE THIS IS A PARCEL HAS FRONTAGE AND HAS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ON BEHEER HERE, BUT IT'S WHAT WE CALL FLAG A LOT, SO IT'S VERY THIN, AND THEN IT WIDENS OUT IN THE BACK. SO THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION HERE WOULD WOULD NOT WORK FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE FRONT EDGE. THEY HAVE A HUGE LIE, BUT NO FRONTAGE BECAUSE IT'S A FLAG LOT. SO IN THIS CASE YOU KNOW? THEY COULD DEVELOP IT WITH WHATEVER EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THEY HAVE, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, RIGHT? AND IF THEY EVER WANT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT, THEY'D HAVE TO COME HERE TO ARIZONA. WELL, I'M SURE WE'LL SEE SOME CRAZY SITUATION. WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT. ALL THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING REAL HARD TO WORK ON THAT WHOLE BLOW IT ALL UP. YEAH, BECAUSE TOWNSHIP LANDS IN PLA LOTS AND THAT'S I DO. I DO FEEL LIKE THE THERE WAS ONE OF THE LIST. THE TO THE CRAZY SITUATION POINT, OF COURSE, RIGHT. WE'RE ALL LITIGATORS HERE CAN THINK OF THAT PATTERNS ALL DAY LONG, BUT I LIKE THAT THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO TIE WITH THE SPIRIT AND ATTEND TO THE ZONING CODE. SO I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL,

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THIS IS PRETTY PRETTY MUCH IN EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT AT THIS POINT. UM BUT, YEAH, WE THINK IT'S AAA GOOD TOOL TO HAVE TO. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH STRAIGHT. R TWO R FOUR LEFT. NO WE DON'T SUBDIVIDED. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I YOU KNOW, THERE'S I ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE FINDING EXAMPLES. COUNTRY CLUB. UM SECTIONS OF THE COUNTRY CLUB WERE DONE AS OUR TWO OR AT LEAST THEY CAN. THEY STARTED IN ZR TWO R FOUR. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH NOWADAYS, MOST OF OUR SUBDIVISIONS ARE DONE VIA PUD TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS. THAT'S WHY THERE WOULD PROBABLY MOSTLY APPLY TO JUST YOU KNOW WHERE THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING FRONTAGE ALONG STREETS. RIGHT THIS IS, UH, KITS . MILLER HERE OTHERWISE, YEAH, YOU WOULD. YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING, MAKE ANY CHANGE FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. OK THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH OK, I HAVE ONE PROCESS UNDER HERE AS WELL AS YOUR SECOND BULLET POINT, SO, BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE MORE SO, YEAH, I GOT ONE SITUATION. I THINK THAT IF YOU HAD IT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAD A ROAD ON EACH SIDE OF IT, AND YET HAD 150 FT OF FRONTAGE ON EACH AND IT WAS TWO ACRES. YOU CAN SUBDIVIDE IT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE ENTRANCE. YOU GET. YOU HAVE TO ENTER FROM ONE SIDE AND ONE ON ONE ON THE OTHER, RIGHT? BASICALLY YOU CAN'T ENTER BOTH HOUSES. YOU MAKE TWO TRIANGLES OUT OF YOUR SQUARE AND YOU GOT 100 AND 50 FT OF FRONTAGE AND BECAUSE THEY COULD COME IN AND SAY I WANT TO PUT TWO OF THEM 75. THEY HAVE 300 FT OF FRONTAGE, BUT YOU WOULD REQUIRE THAT ONE. HOUSE HAS 100 AND 50 TO CONTIGUOUS. IF IT'S OUR ONE.

IT WAS BOTH LOTS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT. YEAH 150. SO IF YOU'RE AT A CORNER, YEAH, YOU COULD USE 150 FROM EACH FRONTAGE ON THE CORNER. AND AT THAT POINT , IT JUST WOULD COME DOWN TO MAKING SURE YOU'RE MEETING THAT MINIMUM ACREAGE. RIGHT AND I'M THINKING IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE, THEY COULD COME AND ARGUE. I HAVE 75 ON EACH SIDE BECAUSE I GOT TWO RUNS. I THINK IF THEY IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND ARGUED THAT THAT'D BE A VARIANCE, AND THEY'D HAVE TO ARGUE THAT IN FRONT OF A BOARD AND COMMISSION AND JUSTIFY WHY THAT'S WHY THAT'S THE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE WE WOULD SAY SORRY, WE CAN'T DO IT. BUT IF YOU WANNA REQUEST A VARIANCE, THEN YOU CAN AND JUSTIFY IT. OK, YEAH. YEAH I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO ABOUT LIKE THE TRIANGLE THING THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I THINK IN IN THE REAL WORLD. CREATING A TRIANGLE LINE MAKES LIKE DEVELOPMENT HARDSHIPS, RIGHT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, RECTANGULAR LOTS ARE EASY TO DEVELOP. AND I THINK THAT YOU WOULD THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE KIND OF PUTTING A BURDEN ON THEMSELVES, RIGHT? I THINK IT WOULD BE HARDER TO DEVELOP A LOT THE WAY THEY WANTED TO IF IT'S ODDLY SHAPED SO I ALWAYS SAY THAT BECAUSE HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD DETER THAT JUST NATURALLY, RIGHT? SO ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT SO THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS IS ONE THING, BUT NOW WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CODE UPDATE. UM, THAT I'M THAT I'M GONNA GO OVER WITH YOU. SO THIS IS ALSO AN 1187. THIS IS OUR SUBDIVISIONS. AND SO IT WAS ACTUALLY DURING THE COURTYARDS AT HAINES CREEK CON NEWEST, UM, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING WHERE WE REALIZED THAT OUR CODE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEAR OR AT LEAST CAN BE INTERPRETED THAT THE WAY WE, UM, APPROVE DEVELOPMENT, SO THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT IS NOT CLEAR. SO TYPICALLY, WHEN I COME TO YOU WITH CODE UPDATES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, RIGHT MINIMUMS SIZES. WHAT I'M ABOUT TO TALK TO YOU. NOW I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IN ITS PROCESS. SO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT OUR UNOFFICIAL MOTTO IS MOVING AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S TRUE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND FOR COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT REALLY IS SORT OF OUR SECRET SAUCE. DON'T WORRY. I'M NOT GONNA GIVE AWAY TOO MANY SECRETS TONIGHT. BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WE UPON THE COURTYARDS OF HAINES CREEK WE REALIZED AND THAT WITH THE STRICT INTERPRETATION, THE WAY OUR CODE IS WRITTEN IS NOT THE WAY WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THINGS. AND SINCE WE MOVE AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THINGS. UM THAT WAY WE THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THEM UNENCUMBERED. AND SO THIS IS NOT CHANGING ANY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THIS IS REALLY JUST A CLARIFY AND TO KEEP DOING THINGS THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THEM AS FAR AS LIKE THE PROCESS GOES AND THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT SCHEME AND I'LL GO OVER THAT IN JUST A SECOND AND JUST A REAL QUICK LITTLE ASTERISK THERE WHILE I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S NO UPDATES OR NO CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OR THE PROCESS. WE MIGHT PROPOSE A LITTLE CHANGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA TALK TO I'LL. I'LL GO OVER THE PROCESS. THEN I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING, UH, AT THE VERY END THERE. SO HERE IS OUR SUPER SIMPLIFIED FLOW CHART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO

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IT'S THE SAME THING. SO NO BOARDING COMMISSION. SO OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF, UM, REVIEWS THE ENGINEERING PLANS, UM AND APPROVES THOSE WHAT WE ALLOW IS FOR FINAL PLOTS TO RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH ENGINEERING. SO FINAL PLOTS, UM, ARE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN WELL, BECAUSE YOU GUYS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITH YOUR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ULTIMATE APPROVAL AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THE SAME STUFF THAT HAPPENS ON THE ENGINEERING AND THE FINAL PLOT. SO THE ENGINEERING THAT'S WHERE WE KNOW IT'S LIKE, OK, WE NEED A 20 INCH WATER PIPE TO, YOU KNOW, TO SERVE THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION RIGHT OR TO SERVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THIS THIS FLOW CHART IS TRUE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. AND SO DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THAT PIPE, WE KNOW WE NEED A CERTAIN SIZE EASEMENT. RIGHT AND SO YOU GUYS SEE EASEMENTS ON A FINAL PLUS FINAL. PLATZ IS ALSO WHERE WE HAVE NUMBER OF LOTS LOT SIZES. WE CONFIRM LOT FRONTAGES, UH, THIS IS HOW WE GET THE RIGHT OF WAY IN OUR PARK LANDS AS WELL. SO ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A CHECK TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS BASICALLY TRICKLING DOWN TO THE FINAL PLOT, WHICH ACTUALLY IS RECORDED, AND THAT'S HOW THE LAND IS ACTUALLY MADE. AND SO WE ALSO AS STAFF MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT COMMITMENTS ARE BEING PROVIDED IN THE ENGINEERING AS WELL. AND SO IN REALITY, THESE ACTUALLY KIND OF INFORM THESE EACH OTHER. AND SO WHAT? WHAT UH, WHAT WE WANNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE IS THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN APPROVED ENGINEERING AND THEN WE HAVE A FINAL PLOT, SO THESE CAN RUN BECAUSE A PLOT YOU KNOW THIS IS A LONG REVIEW PROCESS. AND SO ONCE YOU'VE CHECKED ALL THESE BOXES, ALL RIGHT, YOU HAVE APPROVED ENGINEERING. YOU HAVE A FINAL PLOT. THEN YOU CAN GO TO CONSTRUCTION. UM SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT IN THE FIELD, AND THIS IS WHEN THE DEVELOPER INSTALLS THE ROADS, ALL OF THE YOU KNOW WHAT EVENTUALLY BECOMES THE WATER PIPES OF THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, THE SEWER AND THEN THE NEXT AND LAST STEP REALLY IN THAT. INFRASTRUCTURE ACCEPTANCE, AND I SHOULD HAVE CALLED THIS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ACCEPTANCE, RIGHT ? AND SO THIS GOES FOR CITY COUNCIL, UM, FOR REVIEW. SO YOU KNOW, JOSH HERE HE YOU KNOW, LOOKS AFTER ALL THE ENGINEERS WHO WERE THE BOOTS IN THE GROUND , SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW THE STREETS ARE INDEED 24 FT. WIDE THAT YOU HAVE 5 FT SIDEWALKS OUT THERE AND THEN MARKET STREET DOESN'T FLOOD WHEN IT RAINS OR IT DOESN'T FLOOD. YEP. WE LOVE OUR FLOODS. I MEAN, WE DON'T LOVE FLOODS AND BUT NO, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS. YEAH, WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL STORM WATERS. WE ACTUALLY DO LIKE, TAKE GRADES WE HAVE, UM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SURVEYORS OUT THERE THAT MAKE SURE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT SLOPES OF BASINS AND MOUNDS. SO WE MAKE SURE ALL THOSE SLOPES ARE MET AS WELL IN THE FIELD, SO ALL OF THAT IS LITERALLY STILL A VERIFIED AND IT AND IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. BUT ONCE THAT'S ALL CONSTRUCTED WE, UH, STAFF ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, UM, SAY , ALL RIGHT, EVERYTHING'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED. WE CAN SAY WE HAVE ALL THE APPROVALS. ALL THE CHECKLISTS HAVE BEEN CHECKED AND THIS IS READY TO BE FORM. ACCEPTED BY THE CITY. AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS SORT OF BEEN THE YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE TRADE OFF RIGHT? THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PAY AND INSTALL ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF COSTS, AND THEN THE CITY ACCEPTS THOSE. AND SO THEN WE MAINTAIN IT, YOU KNOW IN PERPETUITY, SO THAT'S HOW WE EACH KIND OF HAVE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME SKIN IN THE GAME AS FAR AS LIKE COST GO SO THAT'S THE OVERALL PROCESS AND SO AGAIN THE WAY THE CODE IS RIGHT. I'M NOT GONNA GET TOO DOWN IN THE WEEDS INTO THE WEEDS, BUT BASICALLY THE WAY OUR CODE COULD BE UH, I GUESS INTERPRETED SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS.

AND SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO FINAL PLOTS IN ENGINEERING IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS IS, YOU KNOW IF THESE CAN RUN CONCURRENTLY OR NOT, AND SOME OF THIS POLICY, BUT WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU IS, YEAH, SORT OF HOW WE MOVE AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS TO ENSURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT, UM, THAT THERE'S STILL CHECKS AND BALANCES. YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY NO COINCIDENCE THAT IT KIND OF GOES, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC BOARD AND THEN STAFF, PUBLIC BOARD AND STAFF AND PUBLIC BOARD, RIGHT, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF CHECKS. BALANCES IN PLACE. YOU CAN ONLY MOVE SO FAST. STILL UM, BUT WHAT WE REALIZED IS THAT THE CODE DOESN'T YOU KNOW, REFLECT THIS FLOW CHARTS THAT WE DO ON A DIFFERENT DAY, SO IN THE EXISTING CODE. FINAL PLAQUE COMES AFTER ENGINEERING SO, YEAH

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YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD DISTINCTION. SO USUALLY WHEN YOU GUYS SEE A FINAL PLOT, WE'RE GETTING LIKE THE FIRST AND MIDDLE OF AN ENGINEERING PLAN. AND SO ONE OF OUR STANDARD CONDITION IS FOR THE FINAL PLAN IS AND MAKE IT RIGHT BY ALL THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING. OK JUST LIKE WITH ANYTHING ELSE. WHEN YOU GUYS PUT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON IT. WE DON'T LET THEM MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THEY MEET ALL THOSE CONDITIONS. AND SO IF THEY HAVE CONDITIONS ON A PLAT OR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN , YOU KNOW ALL OF THESE HAVE TO REFLECT THOSE CONDITIONS RIGHT BECAUSE IT KIND OF IT KIND OF FLOWS IN IN BETWEEN THAT TRIANGLE, REALLY, BUT YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW. USUALLY YEAH, WELL, NOT ALWAYS. BUT SOMETIMES, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE AN ENGINEERING PLAN. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE ON THE SIDE. AND SO WE'LL WE'LL KIND OF KNOW WHAT THAT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, TOO. OK, AS LONG AS ENGINEERING CAN DO AT LEAST SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO US THAT FINAL PLOT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO FINAL PLAT WITHOUT AT LEAST SOME SPECIAL ENGINEERING. HAVING LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, HERE'S YOUR HERE'S YOUR PUNCH LIST. FIX THESE, UH WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING FIX THEM BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN DO THE FINAL PLAT. BUT AS PART BEFORE THE FINAL US MAKING THE ENGINEERING COMMENTARY. A STANDARD CONDITION. ON THE FINAL PLATS, AND I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORTS AND PROPOSED MOTIONS THAT ENGINEERING IS ALWAYS THERE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE A FINAL PLAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE SOME ENGINEERING ALREADY REVIEWED ON IT BECAUSE THERE'S STUFF THAT WE'D WANT TO BE THERE NAILING DOWN LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOT WITS AND SIGHTLINES AND THERE'S A WHOLE PILE OF STUFF THERE. THAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW HAS BEEN AT LEAST GLANCED AT WELL, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REVIEWING FINAL. WHAT AND IT'S COMING INTO EFFECT. UM WHEN I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT WHEN WE REVIEW IT THE ENGINEERING MAY NOT BE COMPLETE. BUT WE'RE MAKING COMPLETION OF THE ENGINEERING AND CONDITION THAT THE FINAL PLAT CAN BE APPROVED. OR WHATEVER THE WORD IS RECORDED WITH, UH, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? IS IT RECORDED WITH, UH TELL ME.

YEAH THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL SORT OF APPROVALS BY THE COUNTY AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT BUT YEAH, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE AND WE DON'T REQUIRE ENGINEERING TO COME IN. I DON'T THINK SO. WE MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE LIKE A FIRST GLANCE AT ENGINEERING, BUT WE STILL CAN LOOK AT LOT SIZES REALLY LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT OCCUR IN THE ENGINEERING PLAN. YOU KNOW, A REALLY TECHNICAL ITEMS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T REVIEW IT. IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PIPE SIZES. IT WOULD BE SORT OF ANGULAR, YOU KNOW THINGS MAKING SURE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE STORM REGULATIONS ARE BEING MET. THOSE AREN'T TECHNICALLY IN A ZONING CODE THAT YOU GUYS ARE REVIEWING. BUT THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, JOSH AND YOU KNOW EP FERRIS ARE LOOKING AT SORT OF BEHIND THE SCENES, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY YEAH, IT IT COULD BE AND IT IT'S THAT WAY TODAY WHERE YOU YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS MIGHT SEE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU MIGHT PUT CONDITIONS ON IT. YOU KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE CERTAIN ZONING REGULATIONS, BUT THAT COULD BE BEFORE WE GET TO THE ENGINEERING. MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ENGINEERING CONCERN THAT WOULD WANT IT. IT HAD WE KNOWN WE WOULD HAVE DONE THE FINAL FLAT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT STARTS AFFECTING STUFF THAT WE DO REVIEW AND EXPECT REVIEW. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE SAYS YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT LOT THAT WAY. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SIGHT LINES THAT DRIVEWAY IS TOO CLOSE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY SAY, I NEED TO REDO ALL THE LOTS. AND WE'VE GOT A BROKEN FINAL PLAN. SO I THINK FOR THINGS LIKE DRIVEWAYS THAT WOULD BE PART OF LIKE THE PERMITTING AND THE ZONING AND ACTUALLY PART MAYBE MORE PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN RATHER THAN A FINAL PLAT, SO FINAL PLOTS REALLY JUST SENDING OUT LOT SIZES RIGHT OF WAY. AND REALLY, JUST, I MEAN, REALLY, JUST PARCEL BOUNDARIES. SO ANYTHING THAT'S MORE SORT OF LIKE DRIVEWAYS OR I. I WAS A OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SCENARIO WHERE SOMETHING IN THE ENGINEERING SIDE WOULD HAVE CHANGED WHAT WE'D APPROVE. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION DIFFERENTLY. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE APPROVE THE

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ESSENTIALLY. YEAH, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT THE SAME SEQUENCE. YEAH. AND SO WHEN WE GIVE YOU THIS CODE OF DATE, YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY GONNA SEE A LOT OF RED LIKE IN TRACK CHANGES, BUT ESSENTIALLY IN ALL SINCERITY. IT'S REALLY JUST A MATCH MATCH THIS AND AGAIN WITH A LITTLE CAVEAT THAT WE MIGHT ASK COUNSEL TO CHANGE WHEN INFRASTRUCTURE ACCEPTANCE OCCURS. SO WE'RE ALWAYS WHENEVER WE DO CODE UPDATES. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THINGS BETTER.

AND WE ALWAYS ASK OURSELVES WHY ARE WE DOING THE THINGS THAT WE DO? AND SO ONE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE TARGETED IS LIKE, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MOVE AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS EVEN A LITTLE BIT. LIQUOR IF WE CHANGE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE ACCEPTANCE, AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S A CITY COUNCIL ITEM. WE PLAN ON TAKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE ALL CODE UPDATES AS WELL. SO WE'D HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM AS WELL. BUT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY MOVING INFRASTRUCTURE ACCEPTANCE, SO IT KIND OF OCCURS AT THE SAME TIME. SORT OF UP HERE. THINK OF IT MORE AS A PRE-APPROVAL INSTEAD OF A POST APPROVAL, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DID I JUST HEAR YOU SAY WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT THE IN INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE IT'S CONSTRUCTED? YOU CAN. SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPOSING IS NOT THAT BUT UNDER THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUCKET TYPICALLY THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO AFTER EVERYTHING IS CONSTRUCTED, THEY'LL GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO DO AN ORDINANCE. UH, WE PROPOSE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT WITH. UM, THE CITY LA DIRECTOR IS HAVING THAT APPROVAL, UM, EITHER OCCURRED BY A CITY COUNCIL OR BE DESIGNATED TO THE CITY ENGINEER. UM SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE AND STILL HAVE AN AFTER CONSTRUCTION. BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE FULL COUNCIL OF BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE READINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TO JUST TAKE EXTRA TIME CAN BE LIKE A 60 TO 90 DAY DELAY. IT'S ALL THE SAME. OK, THAT MAKES SENSE, I. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T PROVING STUFF TO FOREST BELT. THAT'S ALL. NOT WE BUT THE CITY.

OK? YEAH. ALL THE SAME CHECKS. YEAH, JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO YEAH, THAT'S STILL

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WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, IS THAT INSTEAD OF COUNSEL FORMALLY APPROVING IT. AUTHORITY WILL BE DELEGATED DOWN TO THE CITY. ENGINEER UH OR WHERE A CITY MAN. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID THE CITY ENGINEER. YEAH, PROBABLY THE CITY ENGINEER, SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BEFORE I VOTE ON THAT AND REVIEW THE PROCESS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.

SINCE WE DON'T SEE THAT HOW IT WORKS TODAY. AND YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, MARRE HAS A BETTER SENSE OF IT SO SHE CAN FILL US IN. BUT I CAN GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK TODAY. SO YEAH, SO WE SO THE ENGINEERING. ONCE YOU HAVE ENGINEERING AND FINAL PLOT APPROVAL, THEN YOU CAN START CONSTRUCTION. AND SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS SAYING. WE GO OUT IN THE FIELD. WE DO SURVEYS AND SO WHAT WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PUNCH LIST. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD US SAY THAT AND THAT'S WHERE WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN YOU KNOW, SHOWN ON THE PLANTS IS BUILT PER PLAN. AND SO WE HIRE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS THROUGH EP FERRIS, OUR CITY ENGINEERING. SAL AND TO GO OUT THERE AND DO THAT WORK FOR US, AND SO, ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE SORT OF THE GATEKEEPERS, RIGHT? THEY'RE THE THEY'RE THE ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS AND YOU KNOW, SO THE DEVELOPERS BUILDING ITS WE INSPECT IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY FOOT OF IT, AND ONCE EVERYTHING'S DONE, AND WE'VE VERIFIED THAT IT'S APPROVED PER PLANS. THEN WE SAID ALL RIGHT, YOU PUNCH LIST IS COMPLETE, AND YOU'RE READY TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FORMAL ACCEPTANCE. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING . WHEN WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS VIA ORDINANCE VIA TWO READINGS THAT WERE SAYING COUNCIL. YOUR CITY STAFF HAS INSPECTED THIS, YOU KNOW, TRUST US THAT IT'S ALL BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS. IT'S NOW READY, YOU KNOW, AND WE VERIFIED THAT IT CAN BE ACCEPTED AS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. WE FEEL COMFORTABLE AS YOU'RE PROFESSIONAL CITY STAFF, YOU KNOW, TAKING OVER THE FUTURE MAINTENANCE OF ALL OF THESE STREETS AND PIPES AND WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, IN PERPETUITY, AND SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL. SO WE DO ALL THESE INSPECTIONS. THEN WE CREATE LEGISLATION AND REALLY, IT'S JUST SAYING, LIKE, HEY, WE'VE VERIFIED IT'S ALL DONE RIGHT? AND SO YOU KNOW, AFTER IT'S ALL SAID, AND AFTER ALL, EVERYTHING IS IN THE GROUND. THAT'S WHEN WE GO AND DO IT. AND SO SORT OF THE IDEA WHAT CHRIS IS SAYING IS THAT YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF GOING TO COUNCIL, LIKE AFTER THE FACT IF WE'RE STILL DOING ALL OF THOSE VERIFICATION STEPS ANYWAYS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING CAN CHANGE THERE. AND POTENTIALLY SHAVE. MONTHS RIGHT? YEAH BECAUSE WHAT'S NOT SHOWN ON HERE IS THAT ONCE THE THERE'S SO THERE'S MORE CHECKS AND BALANCES , SO THIS IS JUST INFRASTRUCTURE , RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS STEP BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY START BUILDING OR BEFORE YOU CAN START CONSTRUCTING BUILDINGS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE A RESIDENTIAL SUB DIVIDER OR, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU'RE CON OR PULTE OR STREET THERE, YEAH. SO WE'RE WE SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T START BUILDING HOMES UNTIL WE KNOW OR THAT YOU KNOW, UNTIL CITY COUNCIL HAS ACCEPTED THIS RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SAVINGS THERE IF WE TOOK CITY COUNCIL OUT OF IT, AND WE'RE JUST BUT WE KNOW A STAFF. STILL, WE'RE STILL DOING ALL THOSE VERIFICATIONS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY TO BE CONNECTED INTO THE YOU KNOW. MAYBE THERE'S SOME SOME TIME SAVINGS THERE. YEAH, MY PHONE ON THIS ONE WENT THROUGH IT. SO COUNCIL'S NORMAL WAY OF DOING SOMETHING WITH ORDINANCE IS IT TAKES TWO READINGS, AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS. UM AND THEN THERE'S A 30 DAY REFERENDUM PERIOD. UM IS THERE A WAY TO STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS DOWN TO ONE PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF COUNSEL? WHERE THEY COULD. PERHAPS I AND THIS IS WE WALKER CALLED JUST CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S ORDINANCE. YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO FOLLOW THE WHOLE PROCESS AND THE ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE READINGS AND UNLESS THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, AND THEN YOU COULD WAIVE CERTAIN SHOULD BE. COULD IT BE PLACED? I'M SORRY. SO MY THOUGHT WAS IS THAT EARLY IN THE PROCESS COUNSEL GETS A SHOT AT THIS WHEN THEY PROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. IT COULD COUNT AS THEIR FIRST READING FOR ALL THIS OR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. SO YEAH, BE PROBABLY THE FINAL. CLA. YEAH SUBLIMINAL CLOTS NOT TO GET TOO FAR GET FINAL WHEN WE LOOK AT FINAL FLAP, SO YEAH. FINAL FINAL CLAP BE THEIR FIRST READING. BUT THAT'S ISN'T FINAL PLAT LIKE BEFORE. THERE'S CONSTRUCTION, SO

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BUT YEAH. NO, THIS IS GREAT FEEDBACK. YEAH AND I SAY THIS IS ALL POTENTIAL, BECAUSE YEAH, WE WANTED TO GET YOU GUYS FEEDBACK ON THIS PART OF THIS WORKSHOP. YEAH THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE JUST BEEN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, TOYING AROUND WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, WE SAW YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH CONSIDERING RIGHT SINCE WE'RE KIND OF OPENING UP THIS BOOK. WHAT IS IN THERE? WHAT IS THE WARRANTY ON STUFF LIKE THIS? LIKE ROADS AND PAVEMENT AND SIDEWALKS. DO WE HAVE A WARRANTY LIKE WE GET? THEY GET HANDED TO US AND COUNCIL SAYS YES. THAT'S WHAT STEVE MENTIONED THE BONDS. WE HAVE A TWO YEAR SETTLEMENT BOND AND ALSO A FIVE YEAR BOND THAT IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGES AND THOSE GO INTO DETAILS OF A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE ACCEPTANCES THAT AFTER THOSE TIME FRAMES, WE GO OUT AS A CITY AND REINSPECT THE WHOLE SITE TO

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SO THIS PERFORMANCE BOND IS WHAT SORT OF PROMISES THAT THEY WILL BUILD IT FOR PLANS AS WELL.

RIGHT WE ALWAYS LIKE NOT TO GET TWO POINT LEADS HERE, BUT WE ALWAYS PLAY OUT THE SCENARIO.

LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, A SUBDIVISION GETS APPROVED. THEY START PUTTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY GO BANKRUPT, RIGHT? AND SO BEFORE IT'S COMPLETELY DONE, THEY JUST WALK, RIGHT? WELL THE CITY WE HAVE A FAIL SAFE IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A PERFORMANCE BOND THAT PROMISES THEY'RE GONNA FINISH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, SO AND LUCKILY WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM HERE BEFORE. BUT I, I WOULD, BUT IN THEORY, EVEN TODAY, IF THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, WE COULD PULL THAT BOND FROM A BANK AND THEN THAT WOULD PAY AT NO COST TO THE CITY. UM TO REMOVE ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE OR COMPLETE IT. I GUESS IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AT OUR DISCRETION, BUT WE COULD EITHER REMOVE HER OR FINISH IT AND IT'S PRETTY HARD TO GET A PERFORMANCE BOND UNLESS YOU'RE PRETTY WELL HEALED, THEN THE UNDERWRITING ON THOSE BONDS ARE PRETTY PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT YOUR ASSETS, PREVIOUS JOBS, QUALITY OF YOUR WORK ALL THAT AND THAT GOES INTO SOMEBODY BEING ABLE TO GET A PERFORMANCE ON THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT . I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO CHRIS HERE. HE'S GONNA GO OVER URBAN CENTER CODE WITH YOU. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A BREAK REAL QUICK, FIRST OR TOTALLY UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT IT'S GOOD. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE NEXT SLIDE. HOW CAN I EIGHT O'CLOCK. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING, SIR. AND THANK YOU. GREAT Y'ALL. LET'S WATCH TOO. ALL RIGHT, SO REVISITING THE URBAN CENTER CODE PARK LANE AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WENT OVER A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. WE WANTED TO COME BACK TODAY AND JUST AGAIN WORKSHOP IT WITH YOU GUYS HAVE A CONVERSATION, MAYBE PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION AGAIN.

WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYONE TO MAKE. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A FORMAL VOTE ON THIS. UH, WE JUST WANNA GO OVER SOME MORE HISTORY AND KIND OF HOW WE ARRIVED, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER, UH, THE EXISTING PARKLAND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY AS WELL AS THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY, UM, THE VILLAGE CENTER IS SO IMPORTANT AND OUR URBAN CENTER CODE AND HOW THOSE TWO THINGS ARE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER. UH I ALSO HAVE A FEW EXAMPLES OF PUBLIC SPACES THAT ARE IN DIFFERENT URBAN AREAS. WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT DURING OUR LAST SESSION. AND THEN, UM, I'M ALSO GONNA PROVIDE SOME RESEARCH IN SOME DIFFERENT METRICS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING THIS CODE SECTION TOGETHER. DOES IT SOUND TOO LOUD? THIS SOUNDS JUST MAYBE I'M JUST TALKING TO HIM WHO CAN NO LONGER HEAR YOU? MAYBE I'LL DO THIS. MAYBE THAT'LL HELP A LITTLE BIT. SO IN NEW ALBANY, PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE ARE PROVIDED IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, DEPENDING ON HOW THE PROPERTY IS

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KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED IT ON AN AERIAL FOR YOU GUYS. UM SO THIS IS, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S KIND OF COLORED IN OR NOT TRANSPARENT . THIS IS THE, UM THE THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT FALLS WITHIN THE URBAN CENTER. THEY'RE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. WE'LL START WITH THE EUCLIDEAN ZONING DISTRICTS, SO EVERYTHING ALL PROPERTY WITHOUT OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, HAS A EUCLIDEAN U BASED ZONING CLASSIFICATION. SO DUE TO THIS PARK, OPEN SPACE IS PROVIDED VIA DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE FOUND IN CODE SECTION 165.10. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN ARIZONA MAP YOU PROBABLY WHEN WE JUST TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. SO THESE ARE ALL OF OUR EUCLIDEAN. ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THAT INCLUDES AG R ONE, R TWO OR THREE OR FOUR.

EVEN PE DS OFFICE CAMPUSES ARE THOSE ARE ALL EUCLIDEAN USE SPACE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO FOR THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, AS I MENTIONED PARTLY UP IN SPACE PROVIDED VIA DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT SHOULD LOOK VERY, VERY FAMILIAR TO YOU GUYS. UH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT, AND YOU SEE WITH EVERY SUB RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, SO IF A PUD COMES IN FOR COURTYARDS, A CREEK THEY'VE GOT PROVIDE SOMEWHERE ON THEIR SITE 2400 SQUARE FEET OF PARKLAND PUBLICLY DEDICATED PARKLAND PER UNIT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. IN ADDITION TO THAT 20% OF THEIR OVERALL GROSS DEVELOP AREA HAS TO BE PROVIDED ON SITE. UH OR SORRY. 20% OF THE OVERALL GROSS LEVEL AREA HAS TO BE OPEN SPACE PUBLICLY DEDICATED OPEN SPACE. SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WHEN A PD COMES IN, YOU KIND OF NEGOTIATE. WHERE DOES GO. WHERE DOES THIS 20% GO? WHERE DOES THE 21 SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT GO? IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO AGAIN, WE'RE DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION. THE VILLAGE CENTER IS AN URBAN CENTER CODE. PARKMAN AND OPEN SPACE PROVIDED VIA THE ZONING DISTRICT DESIGNATION, PARKS AND PRESERVATION AND THIS GREEN HERE, THESE ARE EXISTING STANDARDS. SO INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH PARKING AND OPEN SPACE, LIKE ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS OR DEVELOPMENT BASIS, THERE'S SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED. IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN, AND THEY OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND IT'S IN THE GREEN, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO WITH IT WITHOUT REZONING IT IS STUFF AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY BUILDINGS CAN ALSO BE LOCATED ON THOSE ARE DIFFERENT, UH, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. THESE STANDARDS, 2400 SQUARE FEET AND 20% DO NOT APPLY TODAY. TO PROPERTIES OR THAT, AT LEAST WAS NOT THE INTENT FOR THESE DI PROPERTIES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE ISSUE IS AND KIND OF THE IMPETUS FOR THE CO CHANGE IS THAT THIS SITUATION OF HAVING TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS APPLYING WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. UM OR SORRY. LET ME REPHRASE THAT. RIGHT NOW, WITH CODE. IT DOES NOT CLEARLY SAY THAT THESE ARE THE ONLY DEPARTMENT IN OPEN SPACE STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO PROPERTIES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. RATHER WHAT IT WOULD SAY AGAIN UNDER STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE IS NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO MEET THESE STANDARDS YOU TO PROVIDE ALL THESE CARBON IN OPEN SPACE. UM, WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. YOU ALSO ON TOP OF THAT HAVE TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN OUR CITY CODE, SO THAT IS AN ISSUE AND I CAN GO INTO SOME DETAILS. WHY? SO THIS IS A MAP FROM OUR 2005 VILLAGE CENTER STRATEGIC PLAN. SO I'M SURE I'LL PREACH UNDER THE C HERE, BUT, UH, FOR CONVERSATIONS SAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2005 AND PROBABLY BEFORE THAT THE VILLAGE CENTER HAS ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN ENVISIONED TO BE THIS MORE DENSE, TRADITIONAL TOWN CENTER. YOU KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING'S PLANNED. WE CREATE AREAS OF SYNERGY WITH BUILDINGS. UM, AND IT REALLY IS MORE DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENT COMPARED TO SOME OF THE MORE UM, RURAL AREAS IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM THAT OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, SO, UH, JUST POINTING OUT AGAIN. THIS IS A MAP FROM 2005. WE'D REALLY KIND OF ADHERED TO OUR PLANS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AGAIN, PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE THAT ROSE RUN PARK WAS ENVISIONED. SINCE PROBABLY WAY BEFORE 2005 WAS BEING IMPROVED AND BEING AN ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC PARK. UM SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE MARKET AND MAIN BUILDINGS HERE. THE MARKET SQUARE WAS ALREADY DEVELOPED AT THAT POINT, BUT THESE NEW MARKET MAIN BUILDINGS KIND OF FILLED IN THESE GAPS HERE, UM, TRYING TO

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WE SPECIFICALLY CARVE THOSE AREAS OUT. WE CARVE THAT TRIANGLE OUT. WE CARVE THOSE RUN OUT AND FEATURE EXTENSIONS OF VARIOUS RUN. WE SAY, HEY, WE KNOW THIS IS THE DIGI THE VISION FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER. WE KNOW WHERE WE WANT THESE AREAS TO BE. LET'S LOCK IT IN THE ZONING. UM, AND THAT'S HOW THINGS HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN DONE. UM QUICK QUESTION. YEAH WINDSOR MET THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION AS I RECALL. THEY YES, THEY DEVELOP PRE URBAN CENTER CODE, RIGHT? WHICH PROVES THAT IN AN AREA OF SUFFICIENT SIZE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED. THEY COULD MEET THIS. SO THE LARGE YELLOW TRIANGLE TO THE EAST OF THIS DISTRICT, WHICH HAS GOT A LITTLE TINY GREEN TRIANGLE IN IT. PROBABLY COULD MEET IT THE SAME WAY WINDSOR DID. RIGHT PARK IN WINDSOR GETS A LOT OF VIEWS I. I DON'T YEAH, OK, RIGHT SO THAT UM I'M HESITANT ABOUT THE EASTERN YELLOW TRIANGLE GETTING MUCH RELIEF FROM 2400 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE DWELLING UNIT. WINDSOR PROVED IT COULD BE DONE THERE, UH, DOWNTOWN IN THE RED ZONES. KISS THAT OFF. THERE'S NO WAY THAT THOSE 50 BY 150 BY 50 LOTS COULD GENERATE. THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO GENERATE THEIR OWN. WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 250 FT , OR, YOU KNOW, 500 SQUARE FEET OF LAND ON SOME OF THOSE TINIEST LOTS ON SECOND STREET, OK? PARKLAND REQUIREMENT IS BIGGER THAN THEIR LOT SO THEY GET RELIEF. THE YELLOW ONE. I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT BUT GO AHEAD. YEAH. SO THAT WAS A KIND OF A STOPPING PLACE TO EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND KIND OF WHERE THEY CAME FROM. DO YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SPECIFICALLY THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES I HAVE ARE JUST REALLY EXAMPLES OF, UM DIFFERENT PUBLIC SPACES PROVIDED IN URBAN AREAS AND THEN JUST SOME METRICS, UM, THAT WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH, AS WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS, BUT JUST THE KIND OF THE QUOTE UNQUOTE PROBLEM MAKES SENSE.

DOUBLE REGULATIONS ON HERE SHOWS RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND IF WE WERE TO SAY THAT IT'S MORE DENSE. WOULD WE NOT SHOW THAT IN AN URBAN CENTER? WHAT WAS THAT ONE MORE TIME? SORRY. THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL THE LIGHT YELLOW COLOR. IF OUR INTENTS TO NOT HAVE YOU KNOW IS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY. SHOULDN'T WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT OF URBAN CENTER AS A THEIR USE. NO. I WAS I THINK IT'S A FAIR QUESTION. YOU KNOW IT'S USED BECAUSE I THINK THE WHAT WE CALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL IN THE URBAN CENTER. IT'S JUST LIKE OUR TYPICAL SUBDIVISIONS OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, RIGHT. SO WHAT I WAS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, RIGHT? IS THOSE OLD LIKE TOWNSHIP. LOTS ALONG, YOU KNOW 605, SO THIS WAS PURPOSELY DONE TO TRANSITION OUT RIGHT? SO YOU GO TO THE MORE DENSE URBAN CORE. AND THEN AS YOU GET CLOSER OUTSIDE VILLAGE CENTER THAT IT IS, UM YOU KNOW, LESS DENSE BUT YOU KNOW, AS THE VILLAGE CENTER CONTINUES TO GROW, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN GOES, AND THE EDGES OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, SO WE THINK IT'S STILL A TOOL TODAY FROM A GOOD PLANNING PRINCIPAL STANDPOINT TO TRANSITION THOSE USES, BUT YEAH, MAYBE THEY GO AWAY. OR MAYBE IT BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I, I THINK YOU KNOW TODAY IT'S STILL YOU KNOW, IT CAN STILL PROVIDE THAT TRANSITIONAL USE. ALL OF THOSE ARE FORMERLY OUR ONE ROOM ZONE. RIGHT, RIGHT? YEAH. IT WAS SOMETHING THEY GET OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IF OUR INTENT IS TO KEEP IT AS A TRANSITIONAL FOR 20 MORE YEARS OR 50 MORE YEARS, THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT IF OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS WE WANT

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QUITE A FEW OF THOSE, SO THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO REDEVELOP TO ANYTHING BUT COMMUNITY FACILITIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET COULD BE SUBJECT TO REDEVELOPMENT. AND WITH THE FREEWAY, WE HAVE A HUGE DEMARCATION. AND SO YES, THAT WE DON'T NEED A WE COULD MAKE THE CASE. WE'RE NOT NEEDING A GRADUAL CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S URBAN CORE GIANT FREEWAY OVERPASS, PROVIDING HUGE DOUBLE WIDE LINES SAYING YOU'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE. THEN WE GO TO SOMETHING ELSE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND SO THAT EVOLVING OVER TIME I CAN SEE HAPPENING IF SOMEONE PUT TOGETHER THE R ONE LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF 605, RIGHT? AND THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF OUR ROAD MAP FOR THE FUTURE. AND WE WOULD WANT TO SHOW THAT TODAY AND WHAT WE THINK IT'S GONNA GO TO SO THIS IS THAT SPREAD OUT? YEAH. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE ZONING MAP TODAY? SO THIS IS A THIS SHOWS ZONING DISTRICTS , JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE CITY IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO REDEVELOP ONE OF THOSE RURAL RESIDENTIALLY ZONED LOTS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, VILLAGE CENTER DISTRICT OR SOMETHING ELSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AS PART OF A REZONING, SO IT IT'S CERTAINLY THAT COULD SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED AND COME FROM COME BEFORE THIS BOARD IN THE FUTURE AS PART OF A REZONING. APPLICATION BECAUSE IF WE WANTED MORE DENSITY SOMEBODY WANTED I MEAN, THEY'RE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO REFURBISH THEIR HOUSES TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE. I MEAN AGAIN, I. I GUESS THAT'S ALLOWED IF YOU HEAR THE MIC YOU LIKE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SO YOU'RE OK? YEP. OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS. WELL.

ANSWER THE QUESTION. THE ROSE RUN BETWEEN 605 AND DUBLIN. GRANVILLE, THE LUMP DOWN UM, THAT'S WHICH? YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS. WHAT? WHAT IS THIS ON NOW? THAT'S UH UNDER THE 1998 MEGA BEAUTY. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT DISTRICT IS OFF HAND RIGHT NOW. IT'S IT WAS AN ORGANIC FARM LAST I LOOKED AT IT. SO N CAN COME IN AND DEVELOP IT. PD YEAH, RIGHT. THERE'S EXISTING ZONING ENTITLEMENTS THERE NOW. YES. RESIDENTIAL AND THE STANDARD IN THAT TEXT AND AGAIN. WE CAN TALK ABOUT JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S I COMMUNICATED THAT THAT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAN THIS SO THAT NICO 98 BEAUTY TEXT FOR THAT SITE. THE PARK IN AN OPEN SPACE. STANDARD IS NOT THIS. IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE TO BE WITHIN 1200 LINEAR FEET OF A PARK. FOR OPEN SPACE AREA, WHICH IS ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE WALK. SOMETHING ELSE. 1200 SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT. UNDER THE OLD TEXT. SO I THINK IT'S UH, 1200. I THINK IT'S 1200 LINEAR FEET FROM MY FACE WAS KIND OF 55 IN ONE. THE 98 PD WAS A LONG TIME AGO. SO MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD TRANSITION. SO WHY WE TYPICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF CENTER? DON'T UM, PROVIDE SPECIFIC LIKE NUMBER REQUIREMENTS? UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW , UH, 1000 SQUARE FEET OF PARKLAND. PER EVERY UNIT IS BECAUSE, UH, TYPICALLY A MORE URBAN DENSE ENVIRONMENTS. PARKLAND IS PROVIDED KIND OF BASED ON PROGRAM IS PROVIDED IN DESIGNED TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT IS, IS AROUND IT. SO WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THIS IN NEW ALBANY AND KIND OF REALLY EVERYWHERE, BUT I PUT UP A FEW EXAMPLES HERE. FROM DIFFERENT PLACES IN CENTRAL OHIO. SO IN ALBANY, YOU KNOW, LIKE HERE'S THE KPA COMMONS. UH, YOU KNOW THIS. THIS IS PART USED AS PARTMENT IN OPEN SPACE, BUT THEY GET IT AS A MORE, UM, A FORMAL CONNECTION BETWEEN YOU KNOW, MARKET SQUARE AND THE RESIDENTIAL HEADS BACK INTO THE COUNTRY CLUB. WE ALSO HAVE ROSE RUN PARK, WHICH IS, UH, A CITY PARK DEVELOPED AROUND A NATURAL BODY OF WATER AGAIN. IT REALLY MAKES SENSE, AND IT REALLY RESPONSE AND RESPECTS THE DEVELOPMENT CONTEXT THAT SURROUNDS IT. UM IN THE SHORT NORTH HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER BEEN. THIS IS ON HIGH STREET. THIS IS RIGHT ON THE CAP. UM, IF YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT, UM SO, UH, THIS IS LOCAL CANTINA HERE. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PUBLIC SPACE. UM YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF NUMBERS NECESSARILY BE KIND OF BACKED IN IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT IS COMPARED TO HOW MANY RESIDENTS THERE ARE, BUT IT IS A VERY DENSE, DENSELY POPULATED AND DENSELY TRAFFICKED , HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA. UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S UM YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT IT'S

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TALK TO THEIR FRIENDS. ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THAT'S HERE IN BRIDGE PARK. UM THIS IS A PUBLICLY DEDICATED SPACE HERE, UH, AGAIN. NOT TOO TOO MUCH TO IT, BUT IT'S ANOTHER PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST TAKE A BREAK. UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A PEDESTRIAN WAY THAT CONNECTS BACK UP TO THE OTHER PUBLIC STREET THAT SITS UP HERE. UM, SO THESE ARE ALL REALLY JUST KIND OF EXAMPLES OF UM, DIFFERENT. PUBLIC SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS. UH ANOTHER ONE IN ALBANY IS THE PATIO SPACE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE HEIGHTS CENTER HERE. THIS IS A PUBLIC PATIO. UM AND YOU KNOW AGAIN, ALL THESE SPACES ARE REALLY MEETING THAT KIND OF INTENTION OF JUST PROVIDING UM MOMENTS OF RELIEF, OR, UM, PLACES FOR PUBLIC THE PUBLIC TO GATHER IN THESE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS. SO TO SHOW SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES. SO UH, I PUT THIS TOGETHER QUICKLY TODAY, SO I APOLOGIZE THAT IT'S A LITTLE IT'S NOT SUPER CLEAR. HOPEFULLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE EASIER TO READ. UM BUT SO THIS IS THE EXISTING AREA AND I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING THESE.

THESE WERE EXCLUDED. UM THESE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. UM AND THEY WERE EXCLUDED FROM THIS, BUT, UM, THEY MADE IT ONTO THE MAP HERE. UM SO THE GREEN EVERYTHING THAT'S IN GREEN OR THE EXISTING PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE THAT'S IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. NOW THE BUFFER THAT'S KIND OF AROUND IT IS HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE WITHIN 1200 LINEAR FEE OR A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF THESE SPACES AND AS YOU CAN SEE, 99% OF THEM IN A NUMBER OF PROPERTY WISE, THE ONE SECTION THAT ARE MISSING HERE BECAUSE IT'S UNDEVELOPED IS PARKWAY SO EVERYONE WITHIN THIS BOUNDARY UNIT EVEN BLEEDS INTO ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS REALLY AWESOME IS WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF SOME PUBLIC OPEN SPACE OR PARKLAND IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. UH, EVEN SOME AREAS OUTSIDE OF YOU MEAN THE PARKLAND IN THE VILLAGE CENTER? WELL, I WAS I WAS MAKING SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT DIAGRAM YOU JUST DREW THAT THE OUT OF PERIPHERY IS TO SOME PART. YEAH, THIS IS UM YES. THESE PEOPLE HERE HAVE A ARE WITHIN FIVE MINUTE WALK OF SOME SPACE INSIDE. THE VILLAGE CENTER, RIGHT. OK SO THE OUTER PERIMETER WITH THE DASH LINE IS YOU'RE WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF SOME PARK AND THE PARK ITSELF IS INSIDE OF THE CENTER. APOLOGIES, OK? SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONTINUE ON OUR PATH, AND WE ADHERE TO, YOU KNOW THE URBAN CENTER CODE AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. STRATEGIC PLAN AND PARKLAND. OPEN SPACE CONTINUES TO DEVELOP AND ACCORDING TO THOSE DOCUMENTS, ALL THESE NEW GREEN AREAS POP UP WHICH MATCH THE URBAN CENTER CODE, AND YOU SEE EVERY SPACE IN THE LITTLE CENTER IS WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. UM AND, YOU KNOW, WE TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS THE INTENTION. UM OF THE URBAN CENTER PLAN. UM AND THE, UH, THE VILLAGE CENTER PLAN, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE IT EVEN BLEEDS OUT INTO ADJACENT AREAS THAT ARE NOT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF SPACE INSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER. CAN I ASK WHERE? THE LITTLE TRIANGLE IN IN THE EAST? THIS ONE HERE? WHY DID THAT GET THAT SHAPE IN THAT LOCATION? BASED ON THAT. WHICH MAKES SENSE CURRENTLY. STRATEGIC PLAN. PUT THE DART HIT THE DART BOARD HERE. SO ANY TIME NOT A NATURAL FEATURE, AND IT'S NOT BASED ON SOMETHING. IT'S JUST WE PUT SOME PARKLAND HERE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE SOME. THAT'S NOT ON THE PERIPHERY. SO WITH ANY ZONING MAP, RIGHT, IT SHOULD BE INFORMED AND IN NEW OPEN IT IS INFORMED BY OUR LAND USE PLAN, SO YOU'LL SEE A YOU KNOW A MATCHING RIGHT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A STRATEGIC PLAN AND THAT CORRELATES TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS ON AN ACTUAL ZON. ATHENS THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE, TOO. WITH THE IN THAT GANT AREA, THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN REZONED SPECIFICALLY TO REQUIRE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW? WITHIN THAT WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA, OK, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS EVERY TOOL I CAN PUT IN THE TOOL BAG. THAT'S UH THAT IT IF THAT COMES IN FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SAY THAT GREEN TRIANGLE IS ASPIRATIONAL, A MAKE IT BIGGER B MAKE IT CENTERED AND YOU KNOW AND SORT OF HAVE SOME NEGOTIATION WHERE THEY SAY. YOU KNOW HOW BIG SHOULD IT BE? AND WE WE'VE GOT SOME BACK AND FORTH AND WHERE SHOULD IT BE? WE'VE GOT SOME BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE AGREE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE PUT SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE IN THE IN THE CENTER FIELD THAT YOU KNOW ALL SPACES. ALL BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE WITHIN 1200 LINEAR FEET OF AN OPEN SPACE AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 2500 SORRY, 1200 POSSIBLE TO NEIL'S POINT. I MEAN, THE THOUGHT THAT JUST STRUCK ME WAS THIS IDEA THAT YOU'VE GOT THOSE THOSE SORT OF TRIANGLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AREA MAKES IT MAKES IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT LIKE OK, HOW CAN WE

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YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE THERE BECAUSE THEIR APARTMENTS, HIGH DENSITY. THEY DON'T GET A BACKYARD, SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME PUBLIC PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON OR POTENTIALLY GOING ON. IN THAT AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKS A LOT LIKE WIND'S AIR. SO AGAIN, I THINK YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, ANYWAY, I THINK SO LEANING TOWARD THIS. I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO MAKE THIS CHANGE AND LET'S KEEP KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING TO MAKE SURE SO WE, UM, WE AGREE. AND LIKE THE 1200 LINEAR FOOT REQUIREMENT THAT NUMBER. I ALSO HAVE A COMPLAINT ABOUT BECAUSE I THOUGHT OUR CONSULTANTS BACK IN THE DAY SAID THAT T LARGE SHOULD BE WITHIN 900 SQUARE FEET OF THE HOUSE. TYPE OF THING WAS WHERE THAT CAME FROM, AND NICO GAVE US 1200 ON THEIR PD. YEAH NO, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN. I DON'T KNOW. I SEE IF YOU REMEMBER ANY OF THAT.

BUT THE RESEARCH THAT WE FOUND IS KIND OF THE GENERAL STANDARD IS WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF ALL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. YEAH, THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED. YEAH, I THINK THE 1200 FT IS BASED ON YEAH. FIVE MINUTE WALK SHED LIKE , SO HOW FAR CAN YOU WALK IN FIVE MINUTES. IT'S ABOUT 1200 FT , WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A QUARTER 1/5 OF A MILE OR SOMETHING. SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR SOME TIME. HOW THE LIKE THE PARKLAND SPACE IS ACTUALLY PROGRAMMED, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHAT KIND OF TOP LOT OR OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT ALWAYS COMES BEFORE A BOARDING COMMISSION.

AND SO I HEARD, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT HERE TOO. AND SORRY, JUST REAL QUICK, SO ALL OF THIS HAS TO GO BEFORE THE CITY'S ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD. SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING SURE WE GET THE RIGHT SIZE AND THE RIGHT PROGRAMMING. SO THE CITY'S ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD ACTUALLY ACTS PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT SAME WAY AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. SO JUST AS YOU GUYS WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN YOU YOU SEE THE BUILDING, YOU SEE LANDSCAPING. THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD DOES THE SAME THING EVEN FOR LIKE SUBDIVISION, SO THEY GET THEY GET PRETTY MUCH A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN EQUIVALENT FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S TRUE TODAY, AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD MAKE SURE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING'S PROPERLY PROGRAMMED LIKE FOR IT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT PART FOR THE RIGHT SPACE LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED GAVE YOU EXAMPLES OF YEAH, AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD WE'RE GONNA TWEAK THE LANGUAGE. THAT DOESN'T SAY A MONETIZED. BUT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD SOME TEETH. TO WHAT TEETH WHAT STEVE DOES. OH, MY GOSH. WHAT STEVE JUST DESCRIBED UM AND PUT SOMETHING IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW THIS NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE PROGRAMMED TO MEET THE NEEDS OR TO RESPOND, YOU KNOW, RESPOND, RESPOND TO THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER, BUT ALSO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO TO YOUR POINT, UM IF THIS IS A MORE TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION WE WOULD WANT THAT PROBABLY IN AN OPEN SPACE TO HAVE PROBABLY A PLAYGROUND IN IT, OR, YOU KNOW. BENCHES OR DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WE DO STILL HAVE WE WANNA WE? WE AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. WE WANNA CREATE THAT TOO MUCH THERE AS WELL. YEAH. I DO HAVE A ENOUGH TIME, BUT JUST MORE FACTS AND FIGURES JUST IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED. ABOUT PARK OPEN SPACE IN THE CENTER. SO CURRENTLYN. WE'RE KIND OF DOING RESEARCH FOR THIS CODE UPDATE THERE ABOUT 94 ACRES APARTMENT AND OPEN SPACE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER NOW, SO EVERYTHING THAT WAS SHOWN AND THEN GREEN HERE. ABOUT 94 ACRES, WHICH IS ABOUT 13.4. PERCENT OF THE OVERALL, UH, AREA OF THE ENTIRE PUBLIC CENTER, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. UM AND JUST REAL QUICK, TOO. SO THE CITY WE PUBLISH OUR OUR CITY AS A WHOLE STATISTICS. THE CITY AS A WHOLE IS ONLY 10% PARK SPACE. SO OUR VILLAGE CENTER HAS, YOU KNOW SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE THAN THE CITY DOES AS A WHOLE, WHICH IS PRETTY AMAZING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE WERE SURPRISED BY THOSE FACTS. AND WE LOOKED AT SOME, UH, NATIONAL BENCHMARKS. SO THERE'S THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION. UM AND THEY SAVE THEIR COMMUNITIES OF OUR SIZE CITIES WITH A POPULATION OF LESS THAN 20,000 PEOPLE. ON AVERAGE, THERE'S ABOUT 13 ACRES OF PARK OPEN SPACE PROVIDED FOR EVERY 1000 RESIDENTS. SO IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, WE HAVE LET'S SEE. THERE ARE ABOUT 85 ACRES OF THE SAME TYPE OF SPACE FOR EVERY 1000 RESIDENTS, SO WE'RE WELL WELL BEYOND ANY NATIONAL AVERAGES. FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. THAT SPECIFIC THAT STEVE

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AND BY THE WAY, THAT CODE IS WRITTEN TODAY IS THAT NOT ONLY DO DEVELOPERS HAVE TO PROVIDE THE PARK LANE AND OPEN SPACE AS IT ZONED RIGHT. SO LIKE AROUND THE G AREA, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT 2400 AND THAT 20% OPEN SPACE SO THAT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO RESULT IN A LOWER DENSITY IN THE VILLAGE CENTER THAN OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO IT'S BASICALLY APPLYING THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE IN THIS IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE. RIGHT PLUS THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THE 2400 PLUS THE 20.

THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN TODAY, OR AT LEAST CAN BE INTERPRETED AS THAT. BOTH OF THOSE APPLY, AND SO THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST IN AND OF THAT WOULD NEVER ALLOW US AS A CITY TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS TO CREATE THIS TRADITIONAL TOWN CENTER, AND WE FEEL THAT YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE LOOKED BACK AND HAS DONE A LOT OF GREAT RESEARCH ON THIS. EVEN WITH THESE STATISTICS JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW AS A SOUNDING BOARD THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, CRAZY AND EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, EVEN DURING THE ADOPTION, YOU KNOW WHAT WE DID AS A CITY, BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND STAFF. BECAUSE YOU KNOW TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PARK LANE AND OPEN SPACES THAT WE MADE THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS RIGHT SO OUTSIDE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HAINES CREEK, IT'S TRANSACTIONAL. RIGHT SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, EVERY DEVELOPMENT COMES PARK LANE COMES IN WITH EACH DEVELOPMENT HERE. WE PUT IT ALL IN PLACE TO ENSURE YOU KNOW, VIA ZONING DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THAT URBANIZED CORE.

SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT AG BUT WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT AND WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TONIGHT IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS. OF A TRADITIONAL TOWN CENTER. SO NEW TO YOUR POINT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER. YOU KNOW YOU DON'T YOU MENTIONED YOU DIDN'T WANT THEM TO LIKE, UM UH, GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING AS FAR AS THOSE 2400. WE FEEL THAT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GETTING AWAY WITH ANYTHING LIKE THE ZONING DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT MEANS TO THE SAME ENDS . SO YOU'RE STILL PROVIDING OVERALL THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARK LANE AND OPEN SPACE AND WE'VE ACTUALLY PROVEN QUANTITATIVELY THAT WE'RE GETTING STILL MORE PARK LANE AND OPEN SPACE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE ARE, UM, AS YOU KNOW, AS A WHOLE COMMUNITY AND AS A WHOLE CITY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE THIS. THIS CODE UPDATE REALLY IS JUST TO PROPOSE A CLARIFICATION. THAT'S YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT DEVELOPMENT STANDARD OF 2400 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT IN THAT 20% GROSS AND WE FEEL THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, ABIDE BY THE LAND YOU STONING, WHICH IS THAT PARKS AND PRESERVATION DISTRICT. YEAH MY POINT IS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY SUBURBAN HOUSING. MHM. THEN THEY MEET THE SUBURB RELATIONS. WINDSOR DID IT. COULD DO IT. IF THEY WANT TO BUILD SOME OTHER PRODUCT THERE. IF YOU WANT HIGHER DENSITY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, OK, THE PARK TO THE ROAD GOES THIS WAY. YOU CAN'T BUILD THE YOU GOT THE PERIMETERS. YES. OK, AND THEN YOU GIVE ME THE DENSITY. MHM.

AND DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PARKING ANYMORE. YOU KNOW, THE EU COUNT WOULDN'T APPLY. SO I THINK THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING THAT PARK LANE AN OPEN SPACE, BUT WE'VE ESTABLISHED IT VIA ZONING DISTRICT, SO THERE'S STILL AGAIN. IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO SAME ENDS, BUT DIFFERENT MEANS. SO THE URBAN CENTER CODE AS A WHOLE HAS LIKE THROWN OUT THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT'S SAYING AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT SORT OF THE BEAUTY IS OF A FORM BASED CODE RIGHT? IT PROVIDES MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS, AND IT PROVIDES THESE DIFFERENT ZONING. YOU KNOW, DISTRICTS RIGHT, JUST LIKE WE DO OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT. MORE UM, CONTROLLED RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER HAS TO GO JUST BEFORE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE BOARDS OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A MORE STRICT CODE IN PLACE. UM THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO READ AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'VE WE'VE EXEMPTED IT NOT ONLY FROM THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS BUT ALSO FROM UM YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH

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YEAH, AND WE COULD RUN THAT CALCULATION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD IF IT WOULD NEED IT OR NOT, BUT I THINK THE CENTER CODE SET IT UP. SO NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO MEET THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LIKE. FROM A SUBDIVISION STANDPOINT, IT'S LIKE THIS. IT'S THE SAME PATTERN . BUT KNOWING THAT THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A WHOLE RIGHT HAS AN EXCESS AND ABUNDANCE OF PARK LANE AND OPEN SPACE. I THINK WE AS A STAFF SET IT UP SO THAT EACH SUBDIVISION DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT SAME RULE THAT IT KIND OF DISPERSES IT THROUGHOUT AND KIND OF IT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER VIA ROSE RUN, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS STILL PROBABLY WITHIN 1200 FT, RIGHT, AT LEAST PORTIONS OF IT. AND SO I. I THINK THAT'S SORT OF THE MAGIC OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE IS THAT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT TRANSACTIONAL. IT'S NOT ON A SITE BY SITE BASIS . WE'VE ADOPTED THIS CODE, SO WE THINK OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A WHOLE AS FAR AS PARKLAND OPEN SPACE GOES. PERFECT OTHERS. YEAH SO I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN ON ONE THING BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A REOCCURRING THEME HERE FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. AND TONIGHT, UM AND THAT IS THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK MORE FROM LIKE THE COMMENT PERSPECTIVE FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS EXERCISE IS ABOUT INCREASING RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. AND I. I DON'T VIEW THAT. THAT'S WHAT THIS EXERCISE IS ABOUT. AND SO I JUST WAS WONDERING STEVE OR CHRIS, IF YOU COULD MAYBE COMMENT ON THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT THE CITY STAFF USE AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE OR NOT? BECAUSE I KINDA SEE IT AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS. UM I MEAN, THE REALITY IS THAT YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN HER WAY. UH PROPERTY COULD BE REZONED TO SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK YOU KIND OF INFER THAT CHRIS THE NORMAL COMPANY COULD KIND OF DO WHAT THEY WANT. YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE THERE BESIDES RESIDENTIAL. SO, UM I JUST, YOU KNOW, COULD 11 OR BOTH OF YOU COMMENT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S IN MY VIEW, IT SEEMS LIKE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

YEAH, I I'M HAPPY TO TAKE FOR A STAB. YEAH I. I AGREE. IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT DENSITY. IT'S ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE URBAN CENTER CODE, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE. ALL ALL IT PRESCRIBES IS WHAT BUILDING SHOULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO, UH, EVEN UH, A FORM BASED CODE LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT IT PROVIDES, OR I SHOULD SAY, ALLOWS A WIDE VARIETY OF USES RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO FEW DISTRICTS RIGHT BECAUSE IT SAYS IT HAS TO LOOK THIS WAY.

AND AS LONG AS IT LOOKS THIS WAY , FROM ARCHITECTURAL AND LIKE SORT OF BUILT ENVIRONMENTS, THEN WE'LL ALLOW YOU MORE FLEX. AND USES. AND SO, YEAH, IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT DENSITY PER SE. IT'S JUST MAKING SURE WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT TOWN CENTER FARM AS ENVISIONED SINCE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN GIVEN A WRONG IMPRESSION FOR ME. THE DEMPSTER IS LIKE SECOND STREET. WHERE YOU'VE GOT 1500 FT LOTS. UM AND THATS AND NOT SO MUCH CAN DID YOU HAVE MORE? NO, I THANK YOU. ALL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. UH SO I'M ON THE TRIANGLE. FOCUS GROUP NOW CALLED

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THANK YOU. SEE, YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING. SO IS THERE ANYTHING TO SORT OF RECAP? ALL THESE CODE UPDATES BECAUSE WE DID THREE THINGS. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TALKING AND THIS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M I'M I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING GOOD FEELS FROM YOU GUYS FOR THE MOST PART, BUT IT WAS THERE ANY DELIVERABLES JUST TO RECAP JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHEN WE DO BRING THIS FORMAL CODE UPDATE TO YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO? TO UM TO PRESENT OR CLARIFY THE NEXT STEP THIS AGAIN. THIS IS JUST SORT OF BACKGROUND ON ON WHAT WE SEE AS AGAIN AS LIKE THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR CODE, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT FOR ANY PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT JUST KIND OF HOLISTICALLY IW THAT WAS CHECKING ON THE TAX AND OR AUTHORITY SITUATION ABOUT WHETHER, UM UH, MINOR SUBDIVISIONS THAT DON'T, FOR EXAMPLE, PUT A MAN LIKE PARK LAND WOULD OH, THAT'S RIGHT. PAIN AS IT GOES, SO TO SPEAK, UH, WITH, UH, A DIFFERENT TAX.

YEAH, AND I REMEMBER WE ALSO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ROADS TOO FOR THAT. YEAH, YEAH.

THAT WAS THE ONLY ONES I HAD OTHERS. NO. OK? ALL RIGHT. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU WANNA JUST GIVE US A CALL, YOU KNOW WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE. BUT YEAH, THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR

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