READY? SURE. SO I KIND OF. YES. COMMISSION MEMBERS SAY I'D LIKE TO CALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION [I. Call to order] [00:00:09] MEETING FOR MONDAY, JUNE 17TH. COULD YOU? THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? PRESENT. MR. WALLACE. PRESENT MR. SHELL. PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS HERE. MR. LARSON. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. PRESENT. THERE ARE FOUR VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU, THANKS TO ITEM THREE. ACTION ON [III. Action on minutes: May 6, 2024 May 20, 2024] THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 3RD. DO I HEAR ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE JUNE 3RD MINUTES? NO CORRECTIONS HERE . NO CORRECTIONS. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE JUNE 3RD MINUTES? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 3RD, 2024 MEETING. AND A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE MINUTES FOR JUNE 3RD? OKAY, ROLL, PLEASE, MR. SCHELL? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES MR. WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS, ABSTAIN. AS I WAS ABSENT, THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE THREE VOTES TO ADOPT THE [IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda] MINUTES. TAKES US TO ITEM FOUR. ADDITIONS TO CORRECTIONS ON THE AGENDA, ONE THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE DRIVING RANGE HAS BEEN ASKED TO BE TABLED, SO WE WILL PROBABLY TABLE THAT AS OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH MAY MAKE FOR A SHORTER EVENING FOR A LOT OF FOLKS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS FROM STAFF? NONE FROM STAFF. OKAY. WOULD EVERYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S MAKE OUR PHONES BE QUIET. ITEM FIVE IS HEARING OF VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IF WE HAVE ANY SUCH VISITORS THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO COME TO THE MIC. SEEING NONE, THIS TAKES US TO OUR CASES . OUR FIRST CASES. CHILD [VI. Cases] DEVELOPMENT, MODIFICATION, FOR THE NEW ALBANY LINKS. AND WE HAVE BEFORE US A REQUEST TO TABLE FOR ONE MONTH. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE FINAL DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION OH EIGHT 2024 TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. DO I HEAR A SECOND TO SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? CAN I HAVE A ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES MISTER WALLACE? YES, MISTER SHELL. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES? THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO TABLE FDM ZERO EIGHT 2024 UNTIL THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. THANK YOU. IF THAT'S ALL YOU WERE HERE FOR, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO MAKE A CLEAN EXIT. TAKES US TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 36 2024. DONATOS MULTI TENANT BUILDING. COULD WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. ALL RIGHT, AS STATED, THIS IS AN FDP FOR A MULTI TENANT BUILDING WITH A DRIVE THRU. THE 1.22 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SMITH'S MILL ROAD AND BEACH CROSSING, AND IS WITHIN THE BEACH CROSSING ZONING DISTRICT. THIS SITE WILL INCLUDE A 6929 SQUARE FOOT, THREE TENANT BUILDING WITH A PROPOSED DONATOS RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THRU, WHICH IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM TWO CURB CUTS OFF OF BEACH CROSSING, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD. THE ONE CURB CUT TO THE SOUTH IS A FULL ACCESS, AND THE ONE ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE IS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ACCESS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN EIGHT FOOT LEISURE TRAIL AND HORSE FENCE ALONG SMITH'S MILL ROAD, AND A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG BEACH CROSSING. THE PROPOSED PLAN MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO PARKING, STACKING SPACES, SETBACKS AND LOT COVERAGE. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THIS AREA DOES HAVE A MASTER APPROVED MASTER LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THE APPLICANT IS GENERALLY MEETING THE PLAN. HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT REVISE THE PLAN SO THE SMITH'S MILL ROAD PROPOSED TREES MATCH WHAT IS PERMITTED ON THE APPROVED MASTER LANDSCAPING PLAN. ADDITIONALLY MXQ HAS REVIEWED THE PLANS AND HAS TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, INCLUDING MODIFYING THE PROPOSED LEISURE TRAIL TO ALIGN WITH THE ADJACENT SITE AND TO PROVIDE EVERGREEN SHRUBS TO SCREEN UTILITIES. THE PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIAL IS BRICK, AND THE APPLICANT IS MEETING STANDARDS INCLUDING NUMBER OF STORIES, HEIGHT SCREENING, ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND PROVIDING FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. DGR SECTION SIX STATES THAT BUILDINGS SHOULD HAVE ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOORS ALONG ELEVATIONS AT FRONT ON A STREET, AND THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THIS WITH ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOORS ON ALL THREE [00:05:02] SIDES OF THE BUILDING. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE NORTH ELEVATION FRONTING SMITH'S MILL ROAD, THE SOUTH ELEVATION FACING BEACH CROSSING AND THE WEST AND EAST ELEVATIONS. ADDITIONALLY, THE FRONT ELEVATION WILL INCLUDE A PATIO SPACE FOR ALL THREE TENANTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ALLOWS STAFF TO REVIEW CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS TO THE PATIO SPACE. THAT WOULD NOT INCLUDE CHANGING THE SIZE OR LOCATION. THE PROPOSED DONATOS ALSO HAS A PICK UP WINDOW ON THE SIDE THAT WOULD NOT INCLUDE A DIGITAL MENU BOARD. AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SIGN PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE WALL SIGNS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THREE WALL SIGNS ON THE REAR ELEVATION. PER THE ZONING TEXT, ONE WALL MOUNTED SIGN PER RETAIL TENANT ON EACH ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING THAT FRONTS OR SIDES ON A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ROAD IS PERMITTED. THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT. THE WALL SIGNS MEET THE PROPOSED SIZING AND LETTERING HEIGHT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS APPROVING THE SIGN DESIGN AND LOCATION. HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT STAFF APPROVE THE FINAL DESIGN OF EACH PROPOSED SIGN WITH FUTURE TENANTS. ADDITIONALLY THE APPLICANT PROPOSES ONE MONUMENT SIGN TO BE LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF SMITH'S MILL ROAD AND BEACH CROSSING, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL THREE TENANTS. THE SIGN MEETS STANDARDS AS PROPOSED AND OVERALL STAFF VIEWS. THE USE AS APPROPRIATE. IT'S MEETING ALL THE GENERAL REGULATIONS AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS APPLICATION REQUIRED NO VARIANCES, WHICH IS A TESTAMENT TO THE QUALITY OF DESIGN. ADDITIONALLY, THE PLAN MEETS MANY OF THE GOALS OF THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, SUCH AS PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG ROADWAYS AND INTO THE SITE, AS WELL AS UTILIZING HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. STAFF CONDITIONS ARE LISTED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT AND WE'RE HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ENGINEERING. YES PLEASE REMOVE THE PRELIMINARY CONSTRUCTION NOTE BLOCK FROM ALL SHEETS. WHEN RESUBMITTING THE PLANS, REVISE THE SITE DATA TABLE BY ADDING A LINE INDICATING PARKING REQUIRED. EXPAND THE VIEWPORT ON THE COVER SHEET TO SHOW TO SHOW EXISTING REGIONAL BASINS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. PLEASE SHOW THE RECORDED INSTRUMENT NUMBER ON THE PLANS FOR ALL EXISTING EASEMENTS SHOWN ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SHOW THE LOCATION OF STOP BAR SIGNS ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AT BOTH CURB CUTS, AND SHOW THE SITE DISTANCE TRIANGLES PROVIDE A FIRE TRUCK TURNING ANALYSIS USING THE TEMPLATE FOR THE 48 FOOT PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE TRUCK, AND WE WILL EVALUATE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION, AND ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION RELATED DETAILS ONCE CONSTRUCTION PLANS BECOME AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? HI THERE. CARBEEN BEING ARCHITECTS, 4400 NORTH HIGH STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO 43214, I THINK THE PRESENTATION WAS THOROUGH AND WE SET OUT TO DESIGN THIS WITHIN ALL THE PARAMETERS OF THE RULE BOOK, SO WE HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE RESULT, WE WE'RE AN ACCEPTANCE OF ALL FIVE OF THE CONDITIONS, ONE OF THEM BEING, OF COURSE, THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD A SIXTH, ACTUALLY, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY MET WITH STAFF, WE WERE ASKED TO NOT HAVE CONCRETE BASES AT OUR SITE. LIGHTING POLES THAT EXTENDED UP OUT OF THE GROUND. THE DETAIL ON THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN SHOWS THEM TO BE 36IN, SO I'D LIKE TO ADD A STIPULATION THAT THEY'D BE SIX INCHES RATHER THAN 36. IS THERE ANY COMMENTARY FROM STAFF ON THAT? NO, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. OKAY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. THIS GETS REAL EASY WHEN YOU CHECK ALL THE BOXES, RIGHT? VARIANCES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, PARTICULARLY ON THE DOORS. OKAY. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE ADDRESSED ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? ALL RIGHT. I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 36 2024. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND, AND DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS. COULD YOU THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. SIX CONDITION WAS SIX RATHER THAN 36. YEP RIGHT. YES. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF? FOR APPROVAL OF APPLICATION. FDP 36 2024. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, PLUS A SIX CONDITION THAT THE PEDESTAL SIZE BE SIX INCHES RATHER THAN 36IN. DO I [00:10:03] HEAR A SECOND, SECOND AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THAT'S THE PEDESTAL. SIDES BE SIX INCHES RATHER THAN 36. THANK YOU. YES YES. OKAY. OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. THE ROLL PLEASE. MR. WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. MR. KIRBY? YES MR. SHELL? YES, THE MOTION. MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE FDP 36 2024. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION NUMBER SIX, THAT THE PEDESTAL SIDES BE SIX INCHES RATHER THAN 36. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT CASE IS FDP 37 FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YES, THIS IS AN FDP FOR WRIGHT-PATT BANK WITH THREE DRIVE THROUGH ATMS. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE PROPOSED DRIVE THRUS. THE 1.11 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SMITH'S MILL ROAD AND JOHNSTOWN ROAD. THE SITE WILL INCLUDE A 2806 SQUARE FOOT WRITE BANK WITH THREE ATM DRIVE THRUS. THE DRIVE THRU ATMS WILL BE LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE SITE. AND JUST WITH MY LASER TO SHOW YOU WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S NOT SHOWING THE SCREENS OFTEN. DO NOT SHOW A LASER. OKAY, WELL, SO IF YOU SEE THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVE, THEY WOULD COME DOWN SOUTH TO GET INTO THE ATM AND THEN THEY WOULD EXIT OUT OF WOODCREST WAY, THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM TWO CURB CUTS, INCLUDING A FULL ACCESS CURB CUT OFF OF WOODCREST WAY AND A SHARED ACCESS DRIVE FROM JOHNSTOWN ROAD. AS YOU RECALL, EARLIER IN THE MONTH, PANDA EXPRESS WAS APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPOSED PRIVATE DRIVE IS TO BE REALIGNED. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SAME CONDITION FOR WRIGHT-PATT, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE PROPOSED ALIGNMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH PANDA EXPRESS TO THE EAST AND THE PROPOSED RIGHT PATH TO THE WEST. STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM JOHNSTOWN ROAD BE ALIGNED TO SAFELY CONNECT ACROSS THE RECOMMENDED ACCESS DRIVE. THE PROPOSED PLAN MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO PARKING, STACKING SPACES, SETBACKS AND LOT COVERAGE. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND STAFF, AS WELL AS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAVE A FEW CONDITIONS. CITY CODE REQUIRES FOR ADDITIONAL TREES BE PROPOSED INSIDE THE SITE TO MEET LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS. MXQ REVIEWED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND NOTED THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO PROVIDE SIX ADDITIONAL TREES INSIDE THE JOHNSTOWN ROAD BUFFER ZONE. THE PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIAL IS BRICK, AND THE APPLICANT IS MEETING STANDARDS INCLUDING NUMBER OF STORIES, HEIGHT SCREENING, ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND PROVIDING FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. DGR SECTION SIX STATES THAT BUILDING SHOULD HAVE ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOORS ALONG ELEVATIONS AT FRONT STREET. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING AN ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOOR ALONG THE JOHNSTOWN ROAD SIDE. STAFF NOTES THAT THE CURRENT LAYOUT APPEARS TO HAVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING WOODCREST WAY. THIS ELEVATION INCLUDES ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS AN OVERHEAD CANOPY, LIGHTING, AND ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOUBLE DOORS THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO FACE JOHNSTOWN ROAD. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE A SECOND ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOOR, SO THERE'S ONE ON BOTH STREET FRONTAGES. THE PROPOSED DOOR, SHOWN NOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, IS A LOCKED DOOR THAT GOES INTO A STAFF BREAK ROOM. AND HERE IS JUST SHOWING THAT ELEVATION ON WOODCREST. WAY THE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND IS FLIPPED TO, FACE JOHNSTOWN ROAD. THE APPLICANT, AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SIGN PLAN. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TWO IDENTICAL WALL SIGNS ALONG BOTH FRONTAGES. THE SIGNS ARE MEETING SIGN STANDARDS. HOWEVER, AFTER REVIEW FROM THE CITY ARCHITECT, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCE THIS LIMESTONE BACKING AND ADD BRICK PANELS ALONG THE JOHNSTOWN ROAD ELEVATION, AS SHOWN HERE ON THE SLIDE. ADDITIONALLY THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE DRIVE THRU ATMS, WHICH ARE PERMITTED. THE ATM CANOPIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED MATERIALS THAT WILL BE ON THE BUILDING. THE ATMS FEATURE THE WRIGHT-PATT LOGO ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE ATM BASE, AND THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THE ONE SQUARE FOOT SIZE REQUIREMENT. STAFF HOWEVER, RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE ADDITIONAL SIGNS ON THE BASE OTHER THAN THE ONE ON THE FRONT OF THE ATM BE ELIMINATED TO AVOID OVER SIGNAGE . OVERALL, STAFF USE THE USE AS APPROPRIATE. IT'S MEETING ALL OF THE GENERAL REGULATIONS AND JUST AS DINATO STAFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ASIDE FROM THE REQUESTED CONDITIONS, THE APPLICANT REQUIRED NO VARIANCES, WHICH IS A TESTAMENT TO THE QUALITY OF DESIGN. ADDITIONALLY, THE BUILDING MEETS MANY OF THE GOALS OF THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATION SHOULD BE REORIENTED, SO THE WOODCREST WAY BUILDING ELEVATION WITH THE PRIMARY DOORS SHOULD FRONT THE PRIMARY STREET, WHICH IS JOHNSTOWN ROAD. ADDITIONALLY, THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE DRIVE THRU IS APPROPRIATE AS OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA HAVE REQUESTED THE SAME USE. STAFF CONDITIONS ARE LISTED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT AND [00:15:03] WE'RE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ENGINEERING COMMENTS. PLEASE REMOVE PRELIMINARY NOT FOR CONSTRUCTION NOTE BLOCK FROM ALL SHEETS. WHEN RESUBMITTING THE PLANS, REVISE THE SITE DATA TABLE BY ADDING A LINE INDICATING PARKING REQUIRED. EXPAND THE VIEWPORT TO COVER SHEET TWO. SHOW THE EXISTING REGIONAL BASINS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. A SIX INCH SANITARY SEWER IS SHOWN AS BY OTHERS ON SHEET TWO. NOTE THAT MAIN LINE SANITARY SEWERS MUST BE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT INCHES PER CITY OF COLUMBUS DESIGN. PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION REGARDING LIGHTING AND PHOTO METRICS. ADD ONE DIRECTIONAL ARROW TO THE DRIVE THRU LANES. SHOW LOCATION OF THE STOP BARS AND SIGN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AT WOODCREST WAY. CURB CUT AND SHOW THE SITE DISTANCE TRIANGLES. PROVIDE A FIRE TRUCK TURNING ANALYSIS USING THE TEMPLATE FOR THE 48 FOOT PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE TRUCK, AND WE WILL EVALUATE STORMWATER SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION AND ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION RELATED DETAILS. WHEN CONSTRUCTION PLANS BECOME AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. AND FROM THE APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. DAVID BLAIR WITH SCHRIMSHER ARCHITECTS. I'M, STANDING IN FOR, BRANDON ANDERSON FROM OUR OFFICE WHO COULDN'T BE HERE. SO, I MADE A SLIGHT DISADVANTAGE, AND I APOLOGIZE, GENERALLY, THOUGH, FROM THE PLAN, THE COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING, WERE ACCEPTABLE TO. AND WILL AND WILL UPDATE, I THINK THE MAJOR ISSUE, THE COMMENTS FROM SIGNAGE AND THE ASSIGNMENTS, RELATE TO THE BUILDING IN GENERAL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE ONE IS OBVIOUSLY THE FLIPPING OF THE BUILDING'S ORIENTATION RIGHT TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE FACING JOHNSTOWN ROAD, WE I DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME TIME TO READJUST IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORKS WITH THE SITE PLAN. SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR NEXT STEP THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO TO COME BACK AND I THINK SUBMIT A FINAL BACK FOR, FOR REVIEW. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS ADDITIONAL APPROVAL? YEAH I'M COMFORTABLE WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO STAFF AS IT MADE JUST A JUST SITE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, FOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS. BUT YES, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, OUR, OUR STANDARD WAY OF OPERATING IS, IS THAT WE'VE GOT THE CONDITIONS WE'RE ALLOWED TO PLACE CONDITIONS ON THERE. AND IF YOU'RE ALLERGIC TO ONE OF THEM, WE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SAY NO VOTE ON IT THE WAY I HAD IT. RIGHT, WE STRONGLY SUGGEST VOTING ON IT WITH THE CONDITIONS. IT'S INTACT. AND IF YOU NEED TO ARGUE ONE OF THEM, PLEASE DO SO NOW. RIGHT. OKAY I THINK I THINK THEY'RE ALL REASONABLE. OKAY. THE REASONABLE. MAKE SENSE? YES. SO WE WRESTLE WITH THAT ONE FOR A WHILE, BUT I THINK WE'RE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO REDESIGN THE ENTIRE PROGRAM TO, TO THE ENTIRE INSIDE THE BANK IS VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER ONES. SO IT MAKES SENSE. AND WE CAN ADAPT. DID YOU HAVE SOME HEADS UP ABOUT FLIPPING THE BUILDING? YEAH, A WEEK AGO I, I'M NOT ON THE PROJECT ALL THE TIME THOUGH. I'M KIND OF JUST SERVING AS A LITTLE GUIDANCE. RIGHT. PARTICULARLY THROUGH THE PROCESSES HERE. SO SO YEAH, I HAD A HEADS UP ABOUT IT. OKAY IT NEEDS SOME TIME TO GO BACK TO THAT. BUT YEAH, I THINK I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ACCEPTING AS A CONDITION. YES. WE JUST GOT TO WORK OUT TO FIRE POINTS. OBVIOUSLY WE DO IT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE STILL GET REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, ACCESSES, ETC, ETC. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO LANDSCAPE COMMENTS, REFINED THOSE. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. ONE FOR STAFF IS ON CONTINGENT UPON THE CONDITIONAL USE, SO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH, SHOULD THE CONDITIONAL USE ALSO BE, CONDITIONAL ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YEAH, I THINK IT CAN BE GREAT, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 37 2024. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND. AND DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS. COULD YOU THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. SHELL. YES, MR. WALLACE YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF? BEFORE WE VOTE, I WANT. I ACTUALLY COPY THE COMMENTS. SO WE ORGANIZE THEM VERY WELL. IS YOUR [00:20:04] MICROPHONE ON? THANKS LET ME MAKE SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE. SO I NOTICED IN THE THIS IS FOR STAFF. I NOTICED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THERE WAS A REALLY NICE DIAGRAM ON PAGE FOUR THAT HAD THE CIRCLED NUMBERS ON IT THAT COORDINATED, FOR THE MOST PART, BACK TO THE STAFF REPORT. AND THAT WAS REALLY GOOD, THE ONLY ISSUE I HAD WAS THAT ONLY LIKE THREE OF THEM WERE REFERRED BACK TO IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO AND THAT'S NOT A COMPLAINT BECAUSE THREE IS BETTER THAN ZERO. BUT I JUST I NOTICED THAT. SO THE MORE YOU CAN GUIDE US THROUGH WITH WHERE THE CHANGES ARE AND THE COMMENTARY IS, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL. SO AND THEN I ALSO NOTICED THAT. THE. THE. MXQ COMMENTS, THERE WAS ONE, TWO THREE, FOUR AND THEN THERE WAS SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT, BUT THERE WAS NO FIVE, BUT THERE WAS A FIVE IN THE CIRCLE. SO I JUST NOTICED THAT AND I THOUGHT, I WONDER WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE. SO YES, THEY HAD ADDRESSED ONE OF THE COMMENTS, SO I TOOK IT OFF NOT TO ADD CONFUSION. I DID NOT RENUMBER IT, SORT OF CREATE A CONFUSION FOR ME. SO BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND IT AND I WASN'T SURE WHAT IT WAS. YEAH, YEAH, THE APPLICANT HAD ADDRESSED IT. NO BIG DEAL. THESE ARE JUST AGAIN, I'M THIS IS MORE OF A COMPLIMENT THAN A YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT A LOT. THANK YOU, BUT WHEN I LOOK THINGS LIKE THAT ONE, I NOTICE INCONSISTENCY LIKE THAT AND IT JUST THROWS ME OFF. THE OTHER THING I WAS WONDERING ABOUT IS. AND I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER, BUT I DIDN'T GO BACK THROUGH. I NOTICED THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE WASTE ISSUE THAT THERE'S NO, ON SITE DUMPSTER. RIGHT. BUT JUST MAYBE THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT IF THERE'S NO DUMPSTER, I GET IT. I GET IT THAT YOU'RE. I GET IT THAT THAT YOUR BANK ISN'T GOING TO CREATE THE SAME LEVEL OF WASTE THAT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT MIGHT, BUT I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. I THINK YOU'RE ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK AGAIN A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS EVERY DAY. BUT YES, THEY OBVIOUSLY DO. THEY THEY SHRED A GOOD MANY OF DOCUMENTS. SO A LOT OF US JUST PICKED UP SHREDDING. RIGHT. AND THAT NEVER GOES OUTSIDE. SO THAT'S A GOOD PORTION OF WHAT WE DO KNOW THAT SHREDDING ENDS UP WITH LITTLE PIECES OF PAPER THAT ACTUALLY WHEN I SHRED STUFF GETS ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO THEY ARE AGAIN MY UNDERSTANDING. SO THEY'RE LITERALLY GOING TO HAVE A, A CITY SUPPLIED WHATEVER YOU'RE SUPPLYING THAT THAT'S 150. THAT'S ALL THEY NEED. THEY PROBABLY WON'T EVEN FILL THAT UP IN BARELY A WEEK. BUT YOU ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY PRODUCE LITTLE TRASH AND A LOT OF IT IS ALREADY SHREDDED OR GONE ANOTHER WAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM NOW. OKAY, SO DID I INTERRUPT THE VOTE ON THAT ONE? NO WE HAVE NOT YET. WE HAD A MOTION YET, SO NO MOTION ON THE ON THE TABLE YET. SO YOUR MOTION FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 37. MOTION. SORRY. YES GO AHEAD DAVID I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. NO. GO AHEAD. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF APPLICATION FDP 37 2024. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND THAT'S SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. I DID NOT HEAR ANY DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF? HEARING NONE. CAN I HEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. SHELL. YES MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE FDP 37 2024. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. TAKES US TO THE CONDITIONAL USE ON THE RELATED. ON THE SAME PROPERTY, CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF ON CONDITIONAL USE? 43. AND IF SOMEONE'S MISSING ONE, I HAD TWO OF THOSE IN MY POCKET. I KIND OF INCLUDED IT WITHIN MY, INITIAL PRESENTATION THAT THAT CONDITIONAL USE IS FOR THE DRIVE [00:25:06] THRUS. IS ARE NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT. AND THAT ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY SO ANY DISCUSSION FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE FROM THE DIRECTOR? I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT FOR STAFF, THREE IS PRETTY COMMON, CORRECT? I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE IF IT'S COMMON, BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY BANKS TYPICALLY HAVE MORE ATMS THEY DO NOT HAVE LIKE A ATM THAT YOU WOULD WALK UP TO ON THE SIDES OF THEIR BUILDING. SO THEY'RE JUST THE THREE STANDALONE ATMS. JUST SEEMS EXCESSIVE. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT SEEN A BUILDING WITH THREE ATMS. WHAT'S THAT? OH THERE ARE OTHERS THAT DO. YES. I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN IT. NO. YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEVER SEEMED LIKE A DRIVE UP AT THREE OF THEM? YEAH. THIS I IT STRUCK ME THE DIFFERENCE WAS ON. UNLIKE SOME OF THE OLDER BANKS WITH THE VACUUM. YEAH. THING THEY'RE JUST IN ONE OF THOSE. IT'S ALL SELF. IT'S ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SOFT ON THE GAS FEATURE. LESS NEED FOR TELLERS. YEAH WELL IT'S ELECTRONIC. YEAH I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 43 2024. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SHELL. YES MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. I TRUST THERE'S NO ENGINEERING ON THE CONDITIONAL USE. OKAY THANK YOU. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC GO YOUR MOTION FOR CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF. I MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION. SEE YOU. 43, 43, 2024. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL PLUS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONAT E APPLICATION BE CONDITIONED ON APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. DO I HEAR A SECOND SECOND? ARE THE CONDITIONS CLEAR? YES. OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE. MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES MR. KIRBY? YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE. Q 3720, 24, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION IS CONDITIONED ON THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK. IT TAKES US TO VARIANCE 41 CAN HEAR FROM STAFF. PLEASE. YES THANK YOU. SO THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING VARIANCES THAT RELATE TO EXISTING DIGITAL DIRECTIONAL MONUMENT SIGNS AT MOOMOO CAR WASH, WHICH IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CANADIAN PRESS CORPS. THE SITE IS OUTLINED HERE IN RED, JUST IN CASE ANY OF YOU ARE UNFAMILIAR, I DOUBT THAT YOU ARE. BUT FOR FOLKS LISTENING AT HOME, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE THE POPEYES HERE. AS WITH THE. I DON'T KNOW WHICH HOTEL THIS IS. THE HAMPTON INN AND SUITES, I BELIEVE. RIGHT HERE, THIS IS JOHNSTOWN ROAD, AND THIS IS WOODCREST WAY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED AND APPROVED A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS SITE BACK IN 2022. THE ZONING TEXT REQUIRES, SIGNS TO BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SOME OF THE SOME SIGNS WERE APPROVED, NOTABLY WALL SIGNS ON THE BUILDING FORMING THE CAR WASH DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE APPLICANT INSTALLED THREE SIGNS ON THE SITE, WHICH ARE LABELED AS A, B, AND C, AND THEY'RE SHOWN HERE AS SUCH, THE SIGNS WERE INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT BEING ISSUED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, TO, I GUESS WE'LL GO IN ORDER HERE. SIGN A, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE. THIS IS INSTALLED ALONG WOODCREST WAY, THIS SIGN, IS DIGITAL, AND IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE US 62 TRUST CORE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MONUMENT SIGNS. INTERIOR TO THE TRUST CORE DEVELOPMENT SITE. SIGN B IS AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNS. THESE ARE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, BUT I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL BEEN TO A CAR WASH. THESE SIGNS, INDICATE WHETHER A LANE IS OPEN OR IT'S CLOSED. THEY ARE ELECTRONIC. THEREFORE THEY DO REQUIRE A VARIANCE SIGN. SEE AGAIN WAS INSTALLED AFTER, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED. THIS IS A DIGITAL MENU BOARD SIGN. THIS SIGN DOES MEET ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THEREFORE NO VARIANCES ARE NECESSARY. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AWARE THAT THE SIGN WAS INSTALLED. AND AGAIN I'LL GO THROUGH THESE AND THERE'S A LOT OF A'S AND B'S AND C'S AND D'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS. I'LL GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT SLOWLY. SO GO AHEAD, AND IN [00:30:01] PARTICULAR FOR NOT GETTING IT CONFUSED. SIGN A IS PART OF VARIANCE B AND SIGN B IS PART OF VARIANCE A I APOLOGIZE. APOLOGIES I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH IT VERY SLOWLY HERE, SO FOR SIGN B, WHICH IS NOTED AS THE VARIANCE IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, YOUR STAFF REPORT IS VARIANCE A, DUE TO THE SIGN BEING ELECTRONIC, A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED AS CITY CODE PROHIBITS ELECTRONIC SIGNS FROM BEING USED WITHIN THE CITY. SO IN OUR EVALUATION OF THIS SIGN, IN PARTICULAR, GIVEN ITS VERY SMALL SIZE AND THE UNIQUE NATURE OF, A AUTO CAR WASH, IT SEEMS THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE WITH SOME CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PLACED ON OTHER DIGITAL SIGNS, NOTABLY DIGITAL MENU BOARD SIGNS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT, PLACED ON THOSE SIGNS INCLUDE THAT THEY REMAIN STATIC, THAT THEY BE TURNED OFF AFTER BUSINESS HOURS, AND THEY MAY NOT EMPLOY ANY FLASHING OR ANIMATED FEATURES, BUT THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND GIVEN THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS, STAFF BELIEVE THAT, THIS VARIANCE MAY BE APPROPRIATE, WE OBVIOUSLY WANT YOU GUYS TO, TO CONSIDER THAT AND WEIGH ALL THOSE FACTORS THAT ARE IN OUR STAFF REPORT, BUT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR EVALUATION FOR SIGN A, WHICH IN THE STAFF REPORT IS RELATED TO VARIANCE REQUEST. B, THIS SIGN AGAIN IS LOCATED AT THE WOODCREST WAY ENTRANCE TO THE SITE. SEVERAL VARIANCES WOULD ACTUALLY BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE SIGN TO BE INSTALLED. THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM THE TRUST CORE SIGNAGE RECOMMENDATIONS PLAN FOR THE ZONING TEXT REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THAT PLAN AND VARIANCE VARIANCES TO ALLOW A MONUMENT SIGN TO BE DIGITAL. THIS OPEN SIGN HERE IS A DIGITAL FEATURE OF THE SIGN, AND THEN ANOTHER VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE SIGN TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF COLORS PERMITTED BY CITY CODE, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF FOUR, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A TOTAL OF FIVE, COLORS ON THE SIGN. SO IN OUR EVALUATION STAFF NOTES THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE INTENT OF THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR SIGNS, TO MATCH THE APPROVED, 2013 TRUST FOR SIGNAGE RECOMMENDATIONS PLAN, THIS, SIGN PLAN HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REST OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, FOR INTERIOR ROAD SIGNS. THIS THIS, STREET, OR THIS, STREET VIEW HERE IS A LITTLE OUTDATED, BUT THIS IS THE HAMPTON INN AND SUITES AND A CAR WASH EXISTS RIGHT HERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT ON WOODCREST WAY, THIS IS THE REQUIRED SIGN DESIGN TYPE , THAT THE PLAN REQUIRES. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT THOSE SIGNS LOOK LIKE. IF YOU DRIVE THROUGHOUT THE TRUST SCORE, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE INTERIOR ROADS, ALL OTHER SITES MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT VARIANCE, DOES NOT MEET THE SPIRIT INTENT OF THE CODE REQUIREMENT, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. THANK YOU. I TRUST THERE'S NO ENGINEERING, NO ENGINEERING COMMENTS. THANK YOU. GIVE ME ONE QUICK. CHRIS, HAVE WE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS? YES, WE HAVE, RECEIVED, A FEW COMPLAINTS FROM FOLKS DRIVING BY AND IN AND AROUND THE AREA THAT, DIGITAL SIGNS ARE USED BEING USED ON THE SITE. YES OKAY. FROM THE APPLICANT, PLEASE. EVENING, JOE BERTUCCI WITH EXPRESS CAR WASH, 13 375 NATIONAL ROAD, SOUTHWEST SUITE D, REYNOLDSBURG, OHIO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TODAY ON THE AGENDA. I WANT TO FIRST AND FOREMOST APOLOGIZE, WE TYPICALLY ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ISSUES OR ANY ORDINANCE CONCERN AHEAD OF TIME. I'M WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT. AND SO I DO APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF THE COMPANY THAT THIS WAS NOT ADDRESSED FROM DAY ONE. IT WAS NOT OUR INTENT TO, SKIRT THE ORDINANCE, IGNORE IT, OR TO SOMEHOW THINK WE WOULD GET BY WITHOUT GETTING PROPER APPROVAL. SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT. THE SIGNAGE THAT WE THAT WE DID INSTALL IS TYPICAL OF A CAR WASH . AND TYPICALLY IN OUR SIGN PACKAGES, THOSE PARTICULAR SIGNS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS. THAT IS OUR MISTAKE FOR NOT ADDRESSING THE SIGN ORDINANCES COMPLETELY. SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. AND THESE ARE STANDARD SIGNS THAT WE DO INSTALL IN ALL OF OUR BRANDS. AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, MOVING. MANY QUESTIONS, I DON'T HAVE ANY PER SE OR ACTUALLY I DO . SORRY. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. YEAH, I CAN GO OR YOU CAN GO, ON THE SIGN BE WHICH IS THE ONE, [00:35:05] THE LOWER ONE, THE DIRECTIONAL, IS, WOULD A REASONABLE CONDITION BE THAT EXACTLY TWO COLORS ARE ALLOWED, ONLY ONE AT A TIME. THEY HAPPEN TO BE RED AND GREEN. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE, THAT THEY CAN NOT FLASH, IN OTHER WORDS, AND STAY, ILLUMINATED EITHER REPORTED GOT TURNED OFF SIDE OUTSIDE BUSINESS HOURS, BUT I WAS PUTTING A VERY I WAS PUTTING A VERY NARROW BOX ON WHAT THIS SIGN PERMITS. AND IT'S BASICALLY IT'S EITHER RED OR IT'S GREEN. OKAY. ONLY ONE OF THOSE AT A TIME AND ONLY ONE OF THOSE TWO. OH, CORRECT. THAT'S ALL THEY DO. IT'S EITHER EXITS CLOSED OR GREEN. IT'S OPEN AND THEY CAN BE ADJUSTED SO THAT THEY ARE NOT FLASHING. IT IS A STAGNANT ILLUMINATED SIGN. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND YOU'RE OKAY TURNING THEM OFF OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS I BELIEVE THAT IS DOABLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AS A CONDITION OF IT. SO WE WILL. I'M JUST NOT THE ENGINEERING PART OR MECHANICAL PART OF IT. I HANDLE THE REAL ESTATE. SO I WILL SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE DONE, AND THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT, OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN TURN A LIGHT ON AND OFF. SO WE WILL WE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. CHRIS, YOU NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS APPROVED ELECTRONIC SIGNS AND OTHER AREAS, TYPICALLY IN A MENU BOARD CONTEXT. BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS WHEN WE APPROVED THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS, WE DID SO IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL SCREENING OF THOSE SIGNS FROM BEING ABLE TO BE SEEN AND GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGNS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY TO SCREEN THEM, DO YOU? SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, AND IF YOU DRIVE PAST THERE TODAY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S FRESHLY PLANTED. WE DO BELIEVE THAT ONCE THAT LANDSCAPING DOES HAVE SOME TIME TO MATURE, THAT IT WILL LIMIT OR OBSCURE THE VIEW OF THESE SIGNS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE OUT THERE TODAY, IT DOES LOOK PRETTY OBVIOUS, BUT HOPEFULLY AS IT HAS TIME TO MATURE BECAUSE I DROVE I DROVE VIA TODAY AND IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS IT LOOKED LIKE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS ANY FOLIAGE THERE SCREENING IT, BUT I FRANKLY WAS LOOKING UP. NOT SORT OF. YEAH IF YOU WILL. I DO RECALL, I THINK I YEAH, I DID WORK ON THIS APPLICATION WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WENT THROUGH, THERE WERE SOME DECIDUOUS TREES THAT WOULD ALLOW GROW UP TO A TALLER HEIGHT, THAT WERE INSTALLED ALONG THE FRONT EDGE OF THE SITE, AS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING TEXT, THEY PROBABLY JUST LOOKED LIKE LITTLE TWIGS OUT THERE. MORE RECENTLY, I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO GROW. OKAY, SO YOUR SENSE IS THAT THE TREES THAT ARE PLANTED, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SCREENING FROM 62? FROM 62? YEAH. WHAT ABOUT SCREENING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION, WHICH WOULD BE, I GUESS FROM THE NORTH SIDE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. I I THERE'S, I MEAN THAT I, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT TODAY, I DROVE INTO THE, INTO THE, CHILD CARE PARKING LOT AND DROVE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK SOUTH, THAT'S SOUTH, I GUESS IT'S SOUTH AND WEST. YEAH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK, THAT DIRECTION DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY SCREENING FROM THAT AREA. AND YEAH, THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL I'LL DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT IS THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT SITE. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO HYPOTHETICALS HERE. BUT A BUILDING COULD GO HERE EVENTUALLY OR WE'LL GO HERE EVENTUALLY WHERE IT'S LOCATED AT, IT COULD BE RIGHT UP TO THE SAME PAVEMENT LINE AS THIS SITE AS WELL. OKAY. AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW , ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WOULD BE INSTALLED ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THAT SITE AS WELL, WHICH WOULD HOPEFULLY SECURE. I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THERE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, BUT IT'S PRETTY. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, OKAY, THAT MAKES SOME SENSE, MR. WALLACE, THERE ARE A FEW TREES THAT ARE PLANTED ALONG THAT, NORTH. I GUESS IT IS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THEM, BUT I WAS OUT THERE DOING IT. AND THERE ARE TREES THERE. AND I DID NOTICE THE FOLIAGE ALONG JOHNSTOWN ROAD, WHICH HELPS AS WELL, BUT PARTICULARLY ON OUR SITE, WE DO HAVE SOME TREES PLANTED. THEY JUST NEED TIME TO MATURE. YEAH. WHEN I DROVE ALONG JOHNSTOWN, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WERE STREET TREES ALONG THERE AND IT WASN'T PARTICULARLY OBVIOUS WHEN I DROVE BY THAT IT WAS OF BLATANTLY, GLARINGLY STICKING OUT LIKE A SMALL YEAH, THIS IS REALLY HARD TO SEE, BUT I'M I ZOOMED IN VERSION OF WHAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN HERE. THERE'S A TREE. SO THE SIGNS WILL BE LIKE RIGHT HERE OR RIGHT HERE. YEAH, THERE'S A DECIDUOUS TREE HERE AND ONE RIGHT HERE. SO HOPEFULLY THIS DOES GROW. IT'LL SCREEN VIEWS THIS WAY. THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL DECIDUOUS TREES APPROXIMATELY HERE, HERE AND THEN HERE. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY [00:40:01] PRECISE, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE WILLING TO INCLUDE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, ADDITIONAL SCREENING, TO THE EXTENT STAFF, STAFF APPROVED IT OR AT LEAST HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SCREENING THAT STAFF WOULD WANT. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE CONSCIOUS OF THE VISIBILITY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE BUILDING, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED BY THE EXISTING TREES ALONG JOHNSTOWN, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF. I WANT YOU TO COMMIT TO MORE THAN JUST A CONVERSATION. I WANT YOU TO COMMIT THAT AS A AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, THAT YOU WILL YOU WILL PUT WHATEVER SCREENING IN THAT STAFF ASK YOU TO PUT IN. YEAH THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE CONDITION I'M ASKING YOU TO COMMIT TO. IF YOU WON'T THAT'S OKAY. WE WON'T ADD IT IN. BUT THEN YOU MAY NOT GET MY VOTE. SO THAT'S THE RISK YOU TAKE. I UNDERSTAND, YES. WE WILL COMMIT TO SCREENING WITH WITH THE CITY. THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD WITH STAFF, I'M COMFORTABLE NOW WITH IN TERMS OF THE SORT OF NORTH, BUT NOW I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SCREENING FROM BOTH 62 AS YOU GO DIRECTLY TO IT AND AS YOU GO BY AND KIND OF LOOK AT IT AT THAT ANGLE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT IT FROM. SO ALL RIGHT, LET ME GET IN HERE. MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SCREENING SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. YES. THAT'S GOING TO BE 66 CONDITION TO. THAT'S GOING TO BE A RIGHT I JUST PUT A CONDITION ON IT MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SCREENING SUBJECT TO STAFF. I GUESS WE COULD PUT THAT ON BOTH. OH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY. I WAS GOING TO SPLIT THEM. YES THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY SW. CORRECT. SO IS IT ON A OR B? IS IT ON A OR B. SIGN B VARIANCE A SIGN B VARIANCE. GOT IT. THAT'S GOING TO BE EIGHT. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION I JUST WANT ANOTHER QUICK ONE AT YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS. ARE ONE OR BOTH OF THESE SIGNS TYPICAL. THOSE X AND ARROW SIGNS. THOSE ARE ON EVERY SITE. SO EVERY OTHER SITE BRANDS AT YOUR OTHER LOCATION. SO SIGN THE A ONE AND THE B ONE AND THE MONUMENT SIGN AS WELL, YES. SO THE I WOULD SAY SIGN A, HOWEVER WE'VE CHANGED OUR SIGNAGE OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS THAT WE HAVE BEEN OPEN AND SO ARE THERE GOING TO BE SOME DIFFERENCES? YES. BUT WE TYPICALLY HAVE A DIRECTIONAL SIGN, LIKE WHEN SOMEONE'S PULLING INTO THE PROPERTY OR THE FACILITY KIND OF WHERE TO GO AND THAT SORT OF THE CURB CUT, THEY SHOULD ENTER. YES, MA'AM. OKAY OF COURSE. I WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE OTHER THING TOO, AND THAT IS THAT, THESE ARE NOT YOUR TYPICAL SIGNS THAT YOU SEE IN NEW ALBANY. AND AT ALL. AND I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE ONE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW WHERE, WHERE IT SAYS CASH AND IT'S WRITTEN UP ABOVE AND SORT OF LETTERS THAT STICK UP AND YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THROUGH THAT DOES MEET OUR SIGN CODE. YEAH. WE DISCUSSED IT, INTERNALLY. AND THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED UNREGULATED TYPE OF TYPE OF SIGN. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE USE, WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS. BUT YEAH, IT IS IT IS PERMITTED. IT IS IT WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT IF THE APPLICATION HAD WHEN THE APPLICATION CAME TO PLANNING COMMISSION THE FIRST TIME AND THAT THIS SIGN, THE SIGNS THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW HAVE BEEN PART OF THE APPLICATION, WOULD PLANNING COMMISSION NOT HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE? MAYBE TWEAK THEM A LITTLE BIT? YES. BUT OF COURSE WE CAN'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY IT'S BEEN A VARIANCE THEN. RIGHT. WELL BUT BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE VARIANCE IS IT. WHICH THE SIGNS SEE UNUSUAL NATURE OF THE SIGN. LIKE THE ELEMENTS OF THE CASH CREDIT CLUB AND THE CLEARANCE BAR. AND YOU KNOW, THE AWNING ITSELF. I THINK THAT'S WHAT DAVID'S REFERRING TO. RIGHT. AGAIN THE DIGITAL PART IS COVERED UNDER THE UPDATED CODE. CORRECT. THAT'S. AND THE REST IS KEEPING YOU KNOW, YOU MUST BE THIS SMALL TO USE THIS CAR WASH. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER KIND OF POINT. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT [00:45:07] OVERLY THRILLED AT THIS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU. I THINK YOU CAME IN AND ADDRESSED IT HEAD ON AND APOLOGIZED. CERTAINLY TO THE COMMISSION HERE AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF, RESIDENTS, SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, I JUST DON'T THINK IT IS A VERY GOOD OR IDEAL SITUATION THAT YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD AND PUT THESE UP WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCESS. BUT HERE WE ARE. SO WE HAVE TO WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER INSTANCES LIKE THIS THE LAST FEW YEARS, WHERE OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE DONE SIMILAR THINGS, BUT IT'S BEEN FAR LESS THAN THIS IN MY OPINION, SO JUST FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING IT AS SOON AS YOU CAME UP AND APOLOGIZING AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DID. SO THANK YOU. OTHERS. DID YOU COME? YEAH WE'RE JUST GOING TO VOTE ON VARIANCE A TO START. WELL, I FIRST I WAS GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS. SO THAT WAS WHAT I'VE GOT TO DO IS OUR NEXT PIECE OF BUSINESS I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR VARIANCE. 41 2024. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MR. WALLACE . YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. OKAY I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE SEPARATELY ON THIS. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT. OH, CHECKING WITH LEGAL STAFF. THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH MOVING ON THESE AS TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. NO. THEY'RE NOT. THANK YOU, LET'S DO THESE IN ORDER, SO VARIANCE A APPLIES TO SIGN B, THE DIRECTIONAL ONE, ONE. RIGHT VARIANCE. VARIANCE A APPLIES TO SIGN B, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN VARIANCE B APPLIES TO SIGN A THE MONUMENT SIGN. SO B IT GOES TO THE MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH IS THE ONE OF THE SIGNAGE WHICH B YOU SAID B NO, WAIT A MINUTE. THAT SAYS SOMETHING. JUST MAKE SURE THE SIGN A IS VARIANCE. B SIGN A IS VARIANCE. YEAH, SIGN A IS VARIANCE B THIS IS I DON'T EVEN THIS IS SIGN A AND THAT'S VARIANCE B. VARIANCE B. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE VOTING ON THAT ONE FIRST. I THINK IT'S GOING TO DO THE A THAT VARIANCE A VARIANCE. OH THAT'S ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT I MAKE A MOTION. WE GET THIS. ALL RIGHT. I'M I MOVE FOR APPROVAL VARIANCE 41 2024 PART A ONLY WHICH PERTAINS TO SIGN B THE SMALL DIRECTIONAL OVERHEAD SIGN SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, STATIC TURNED OFF OUTSIDE BUSINESS HOURS MAY NOT FLASH OR ANIMATED. ADDITIONALLY, ALONG THAT SAME CONDITION, EXACTLY TWO COLORS IN THE PALETTE AND ONLY ONE VISIBLE AT A TIME, NAMELY RED AND GREEN, AND BRIGHTNESS ADJUSTED AT NIGHT IF POSSIBLE. AND THERE'S THE CONDITION OF THE, ADDITIONAL SCREENING. THAT'LL BE. I'M WATCHING PENN. GOTCHA OKAY, JUST JUST GIVE THE CONFUSION OF WHICH SIDE IT IS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE CONDITIONS ON IT. LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. READY, CONDITION TWO IS THAT, AND IT ALSO MAY REQUIRE SCREENING, FURTHER SCREENING, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS ALL OF MY CONDITIONS FOR PART OF VARIANCE A ON SIGN B . SO VARIANCE A MOVED BY ME. DO I HEAR A SECOND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION CONDITIONS AND WHAT IT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. CAN I HAVE A ROLL PLEASE? MR. KIRBY? YES MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE VARIANCE 41 2024. A SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. WITH THE ADDITION IN THE CONDITION THAT EXACTLY TWO COLORS IN THE PALETTE, ARE THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO COLORS IN THE PALETTE AND ONLY AND ONLY ONE IS VISIBLE AT A TIME AND IT IS TURNED OFF WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED AND THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION, THAT ADDITIONAL SCREENING SHALL BE REQUIRED IS REQUIRED SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SCREENING SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. RED AND GREEN WERE THE [00:50:05] TWO COLORS IN THE PALETTE, RED AND GREEN AND BRIGHTNESS ADJUSTED AT NIGHT IF POSSIBLE. AND BRIGHTNESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I MOVE APPROVAL. VARIANCE 41 PART B, WHICH IS REFERRING TO SIGN A, THE MONUMENT SIGN, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITION, STAFF APPROVAL DOESN'T APPLY TO SIGN A, AND WE'LL PICK UP THE MAY REQUIRE SCREENING SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. IS ANY. I'M SORRY. IS THERE A CONDITIONS CLEAR. SO I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR VARIANCE. BE ON SIGN A CAN. HEAR THE ROLL, MR. KIRBY. NO MR. WALLACE. NO. MISS MR. SHELL, NO. MISS BRIGGS. NO! THE MOTION FAILS. THERE ARE ZERO VOTES TO APPROVE. VARIANCE 41 2024 B. SO BASICALLY YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. YOU CAN DO SIGN WITH THE OTHER SIGN A NEW SIGN. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. ANY EXPLANATION ANY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT A LITTLE EXPLANATION, IT IS PARTICULARLY AGAINST THE EXISTING ZONING CODE. IT WOULD BE PARTICULAR TO THIS PROPERTY THAT OTHER PROPERTIES HAVE EASILY MET, AND THEY COULD CLEARLY GET ALONG WITHOUT IT. IT DOESN'T TO ME. IT DOES NOT MEET THE DUNCAN CRITERIA. I CONCUR WITH NEIL'S, REASONING, IN ADDITION, JUST GENERALLY I DON'T BELIEVE IT MEETS THE DUNCAN REQUIREMENTS, AND I DO BELIEVE IT'LL SET UP, UNFAVORABLE PRECEDENT FOR SIGNS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF NEW ALBANY. I CONCUR. AND THEN ONE OTHER NOTE. IF THIS WOULD HAVE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, DURING THE ORIGINAL STAGES, WE WOULD HAVE NEVER PASSED THAT SIGN. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, YEAH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID. YOU'RE BATTING 500, SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. HAPPILY, CONSIDERING I CAME ASKING. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. BRINGS US TO TEXT MODIFICATION 47 2024. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YES. THANK YOU. SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST TO MODIFY A ZONING TEXT. SO THIS IS THE ALL SAINTS EPISCOPAL CHURCH LIMITED COMMUNITY FACILITIES ZONING TAX. I'M SURE EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THIS THIS CHURCH IS. BUT JUST IN CASE ANYONE'S UNFAMILIAR, THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED HERE ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS JOHNSTOWN ROAD. THIS IS OAKLAND NURSERY. THIS IS THOMPSON ROAD HERE. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PERMIT, A ELECTRIC PERMIT TO THE CITY TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE CHURCH STRUCTURE. HERE, THE EXISTING ZONING TEXT STATES. AND THIS IS REALLY HARD TO READ, BUT THAT ANY EXTERNAL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE TOTALLY SCREENED FROM ALL PUBLIC ROADS AND OR ADJACENT PROPERTIES AT GROUND LEVEL WITH MATERIALS THAT ARE SIMILAR, OR THE SAME AS WHAT IS USED ON THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING, THE TEXT. I WON'T READ THE WHOLE THING, BUT THE IT'S REQUIRED TO BE SCREENED AT 100% OPACITY. AND THAT REQUIREMENT ALSO APPLIES TO ANY ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT OR GROUND MOUNTED EQUIPMENT THAT IS INSTALLED ON THE SITE. OUR CITY CODE DOES NOT PROVIDE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS OR DISTINGUISH THE SOLAR PANELS FROM OTHER OR TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, MORE TRADITIONAL ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT LIKE GENERATORS OR COULD BE INSTALLED ON THE GROUND AS WELL. GENERATORS HVAC UNITS, SO STRICT INTERPRETATION OF OUR CODE WOULD RESULT IN SOLAR PANELS FALLING UNDER THE DEFINITION OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. AND THEREFORE THESE THESE REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY ON THE SITE, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE, VERY INTENSE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS WHICH WOULD REALLY PROHIBIT, SOLAR PANELS FROM BEING INSTALLED ON THE PROPERTY. SO THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO MODIFY THEIR ZONING TEXT LANGUAGE, SIMILAR TO OTHER ZONING TEXTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, NOTABLY IN LICKING COUNTY, AND SOME OTHER, SITES IN FRANKLIN COUNTY THAT THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PROVIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT WE STILL WANT THESE REQUIREMENTS TO BE MET FOR MORE TRADITIONAL EQUIPMENT LIKE HVAC UNITS OR GENERATORS. BUT THE TEXT CLARIFIES THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS DO NOT APPLY TO SOLAR PANELS, AND AGAIN, WE NOTE IN OUR STAFF REPORT THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HEARD AND APPROVED, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO [00:55:01] ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY ENGINEERING? NO COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? CAN WE PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HANK FRISCH. I'M WITH THE BUILDING AND GROUNDS COMMITTEE FROM ALL SAINTS EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND REQUEST APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS AS PRESENTED BY CHRIS. THANK YOU. OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO THESE WOULD BE NOMINALLY CONFORMAL TO THE ROOF. THAT IS THE SAME ANGLE AS THE ROOF AND WITH MINIMAL STAND OFF. YES OKAY. ARE YOU WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY BE ARRANGED SO RELATIVELY SAME ANGLES OF ROOF AND RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE ROOF? YES THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. DID I MISS IT? WHAT SIDE OF THE CHURCH WOULD IT BE ON? IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH EAST SIDE AND THE SOUTH WEST SIDE, AND. LET'S SEE. CAN YOU POINT. YEP. RIGHT THERE AND RIGHT THERE SHOULD BE, THE FACE TO TOWARD THE JOHNSTOWN ROAD. AND THE FACE TOWARD THE PARKING LOT. JUST ON TWO SIDES. AND I DON'T KNOW, A TON ABOUT SOLAR, BUT WOULD IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO PUT IT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, FROM THE SUN'S RAYS? YOU KNOW, THERE WE ARE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE ADVANTAGE OF THE SUN INSTEAD OF FACING NORTH. ALLOW ME TO ADD MUCH LESS SO I UNDERSTAND OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF HANS IF THIS IS WHERE YOU WERE GOING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL REALLY BE VISIBLE FROM 62 JUST BECAUSE OF THE LIKE THE SHAPE AND THE CUTOUT OF THE LOT THERE AND THE TOPOGRAPHY. YEAH YEAH. AND THERE'S LIKE TREES AND I THINK THERE'S SOME SCREENING THERE BY THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH YEAH. THERE'S A COUPLE OF RESIDENCES ALONG 62 THAT WILL BLOCK MOST OF THAT VIEW. I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR TEXT MODIFICATION. 47 2024. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES MR. WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. SHELL? YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. I DIDN'T GET YOUR CONDITION, SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE MOTION. OKAY? THE PANELS BE NOMINALLY CONFORMABLE TO THE ROOF AND ANGLE AND CLOSE TO THE ROOF AND STAND OFF. THAT'S FINE, BUT I'M NOT GOING BACK. OKAY I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF OR OF TEXT MODIFICATION. 47 2024, BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE PANELS ARE ROUGHLY CONFORMAL TO THE ROOF AND ANGLE WITH MINIMAL STAND OFF. I WILL SECOND, THOUGH, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. I'M SORRY I JUMPED ON YOU. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION? THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY ENTHUSIASTICALLY. YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MISS. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS ENTHUSIASM. MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR. SHELL. YES THE MOTION PASSES. CAN I, CAN I? OH SORRY. THERE ARE FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE TEXT MODIFICATION 4720, 24. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE PANELS BE ROUGHLY CONFORMING TO THE ANGLE OF THE ROOF WITH MINIMAL STANDOFF. OKAY, CAN I TAKE A POINT OF COUNCIL PRIVILEGE? I JUST WANT TO THANK, HANK AND ALL SAINTS, CHURCH NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE TO, BRING SUSTAINABILITY, SPORTS SUSTAINABILITY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PILLARS OF NEW ALBANY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO. THIS TAKES US TO OTHER BUSINESS, [VII. Other business] APPOINTMENT TO THE I DON'T KNOW THE ACRONYM WELL ENOUGH TO. SO THAT'S OUR, COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA HOUSING COUNCIL. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY, FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD INADVERTENTLY MISSED DURING OUR ANNUAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, SO MR. WALLACE IS, CURRENTLY THE [01:00:04] APPOINTMENT, AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TO APPOINT A MEMBER, TO THE WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE CRACK BOARD. AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA HOUSING COUNCIL. I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION TO BE THIS BOARD'S REPRESENTATIVE TO SOMETHING INVOLVED WITH CRACK. ALL RIGHT, I DON'T. YEAH WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THE LINKS. YEAH, YEAH. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT OR. WE WILL, I, I TAKE IT THERE ARE NO OTHER NOMINATIONS, THEN I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT DAVE AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO C R A H C A SECOND ON THE MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? KAYLA? ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. SHELL? YES MR. WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. THE MOTION PASSES AND THE, COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPOINTS, MR. WALLACE AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE CRACK BOARD. THERE WE GO. THANKS. IT'S A ZONING CHANGE. 48, CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YEAH. SO JUST REAL QUICK. SO WE GOT A SUBMITTAL, FROM THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY FOR A REZONING FOR THE AREA KNOWN AS GANTON. SO TONIGHT IS JUST AN INFORMAL, INTRODUCTION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS WILL BE SET FOR FORMAL HEARING AT NEXT MONTH'S, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. AND SO WITH THAT, WE'LL LEAVE IT TO THE APPLICANT TO, TAKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. GOOD EVENING, AARON UNDERHILL, UNDERHILL AND HODGE, 8000 WALTON PARKWAY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, WITH TOM LIBBY. THANK YOU. DAVE, FIRST OF ALL, ACCEPT MY HEARTFELT CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT. WHAT AN HONOR. SO WE WANTED TO COME HERE THIS EVENING. WE ARE POSITIONING, THE, THE, GANTON AREA, WHICH HAS BEEN ZONED SINCE 1998 UNDER A PUD THAT WHAT WE CALL THE NACO PUD, AND, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY COMING IN TO UPDATE, THE STANDARDS THAT APPLY THERE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT THAT'S CHANGED IN 26 YEARS, CURRENTLY UNDER THE 1998 PUD. COMMUNITY FACILITIES USES SUCH AS INSTITUTIONAL TYPE USES, HEALTH CARE USES, AND LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE PERMITTED, ALONG WITH 294 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AND, WE'D LIKE TO DO WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO POSITION THIS SITE TO HAVE STANDARDS THAT WILL ATTRACT MEDICAL USERS, ALSO, WE THINK WE NOTICED IN THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE CODE THAT, MEDICAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE NOT PERMITTED UNDER THAT. AND WE THINK IF WE WERE TO BRING A MEDICAL USE IN TODAY'S WORLD, THAT THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH IT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS, THOSE 294 RESIDENTIAL UNITS RIGHT NOW WOULD REQUIRE, DEVELOPMENT WITH A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 80FT, GIVEN THAT THE URBAN CENTER CODE HAS BEEN ADOPTED, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS MAYBE 2012, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. BUT YES, WE ARE WHAT WE INTEND TO DO WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH A TEXT AND AN APPLICATION IS SAY THAT THE RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO HAVE THOSE URBAN CENTER CODE STANDARDS APPLY TO IT, THAT WOULD BRING WITH IT, YOU KNOW, PERMITTED USE TYPES SUCH AS ATTACHED PRODUCT IN ADDITION TO DETACHED PRODUCT, WOULD ALSO BRING WITH IT THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. THAT'S A FORM BASED CODE. I KNOW YOU DON'T. YOU ALL DON'T DEAL WITH IT AT ALL. HARDLY BUT, WOULD ALLOW US TO USE THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESCRIBED IN THAT CODE, AS WELL AS IF WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T FIT NEATLY IN THAT BOX. WE COULD GO TO THE ARB, AND ASK FOR A NEW TYPOLOGY TO BE ADDED. I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THE MARKET AND MAIN APARTMENTS. WHAT HAPPENED, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THOSE, THE OTHER THING THAT, WE, WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING, HAPPENING IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE IS, IF WE GET A NICE USER ON THIS SITE, MEDICAL RELATED AND OFFICE RELATED, THAT GANTON PARKWAY WOULD ULTIMATELY BE EXTENDED THROUGH HERE. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE A PLANNING PROCESS THAT WOULD INVOLVE YOU ALL, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CODE, OR THIS TEXT THAT WE'RE GOING TO WRITE THAT WILL PROVIDE THE CODE FOR THE SITE WILL, CONTEMPLATE THAT AND RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS AND SETBACKS, ETC. SO, WITH THAT, THAT'S THE BACKGROUND SORT OF PROCEDURALLY, GIVEN THAT THIS IS TECHNICALLY IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, IT WILL GO TO THE ARB FIRST FORMALLY. BUT GIVEN OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR LONG STANDING, STARTING POINT HAS BEEN HERE, WE THOUGHT IT [01:05:01] WOULD BE BEST TO KIND OF START WITH YOU, GET YOUR EARLY INPUT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW YOU NECESSARILY. THIS IS A PUD, WHICH IS BASICALLY A BUBBLE PLAN WITHIN AN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A ZONING PROCESS. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BOTH OF WHICH YOU'LL SEE, AND WE'LL PROBABLY BRING THOSE IN IN PIECES AND PARTS WITH THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF, OF THE PROJECT AS THEY, THEY COME TO LIGHT. SO ALONG WITH THE PLAT, BECAUSE THE PLAN HAS BOTH PLATS. ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY. SO BE MULTIPLE REVIEWS BY BY YOUR GROUP AND OTHERS ALONG THE WAY. SO I'M GOING TO ASK TOM TO COME UP AND PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, YEAH. I THINK AARON HIT ALL THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS, THIS PROJECT OR THIS PARCEL GOES BACK MANY, MANY YEARS. YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER IT FONDLY, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, THE BACK FROM THE DAYS WHEN GANTT WAS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT TO MARKET. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND NOW GANTON IS A SECTION OF GANTON IS ALREADY BUILT FURTHER TO THE TO THE EAST, EXTENDING OFF OF BEACH ROAD. THE CITY HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE ALIGNMENT AND THE CONNECTION OF GANTON PARKWAY, WHICH IN ESSENCE WILL FUNCTION A LOT LIKE WALTON PARKWAY AND SMITH'S MILL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. CURRENTLY, THE ROAD IS NAMED THESUM RIGHT HERE, BETWEEN THE FIRE STATION AND THE DUKE AND DUCHESS GAS STATION. SO RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY. THE ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY, SO THAT'S THAT CONTINUES TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT IT'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THAT PIECE. ONE OF THE REAL TRICKS IS, IS WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE AS AS IT APPROACHES KITZMILLER ROAD AND THE IMPLICATION ON THE KITZMILLER ROAD. BUT DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ALL THOSE DETAILS WILL WILL BE, WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY AND THE VARIOUS ENGINEERS REQUIRE THIS COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF A PLAT ONCE THAT'S ONCE THAT'S READY, A LITTLE BIT A COUPLE OF OTHER HISTORICAL THINGS WORTH NOTING, FOR THE GANTZEN PARCEL, IT'S JUST OVER 100 ACRES IN SIZE. I CAN REMEMBER REALLY CLEARLY SITTING DOWN WITH BILL RESCH, TO COMMIT TO, ADDING A PRESERVATION EASEMENT. THIS IS THE HEADWATERS OF THE ROSE RUN CREEK ALONG THIS SECTION OF THE GANTON PARCEL, WE AGREED TO ENCUMBER THE PROPERTY. SO THERE IS CURRENTLY AN EASEMENT OVER THE HEADWATERS OF THE ROSE RUN CREEK, IT DOES ALLOW FOR ONE CROSSING. WE AT LEAST HAD THE FORESIGHT TO DO THAT WHEN WE ENCUMBERED THE PROPERTY. SO THAT ONE CROSSING IS, IN FACT ALLOWED BASED ON THE EXISTING LEGISLATION. I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT POTENTIAL SECONDARY CROSSINGS OVER THE CREEK, WE WILL HAVE TO WORK MORE CLOSELY AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF AS WE LOOK AT WHAT MAY NEED TO HAPPEN TO THOSE EXISTING SETTING, REGULATIONS FOR, FOR THE EASEMENT, IT'S THE HEADWATER OF THE CREEK. IT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED. IT NEEDS TO BE ENHANCED. ALL THE RIGHT THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN TO IT, ECOLOGICALLY, IF YOU WALK THE SITE AND I ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU TO PUT ON SOME BOOTS AND WALK IT IF YOU EVER HAVE A CHANCE. IT'S BEEN FARMED FOR MANY YEARS, WE STOPPED FARMING AT A COUPLE OF YEARS. IT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE ORGANIC FARM THAT WAS PART OF THE ESTATE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT THIS SECTION OF THE CREEK, YOU CAN HOP OVER IT. I MEAN, IT'S THAT WIDE AND, MY OPINION, OUR OPINION IS THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY TO CELEBRATE IT AND PROTECT IT AND MAKE IT AN AMENITY. SO THAT'S THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ZONING TEXT IN SOME FORM, THE CITY HAS ASKED FOR PUBLIC DEDICATION OF THE GROUND ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THE CREEK. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE YET TO SIT DOWN AND RESPOND TO THEM. THEY'VE JUST DONE A VERY PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE DRAFT ZONING TEXT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE QUITE READY TO GO THAT FAR, BUT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM ON ON THE LANGUAGE THAT THAT, OUTLINES WHAT MAY HAPPEN THERE, THE, THE 103 ACRE PARCEL IS DIVIDED INTO THREE SUB AREAS. SUBAREA ONE, THE PURPLE AREA IS WHAT AARON WAS REFERENCING, FOR A MEDICAL USE, NOTHING TO ANNOUNCE OR TALK ABOUT PUBLICLY YET FOR THAT. BUT IT'S NO SECRET THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THERE ON THAT SITE SPECIFIC. RELATED TO [01:10:03] MEDICAL USES, TOM, ABOUT HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? I CAN'T SEE 25 ACRES. OKAY. MAPS IS 27. I WANT TO SAY THAT IT GOES TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS ABOUT 100FT IN RIGHT OF WAY. SO THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF SUBAREA ONE WOULD BE ROUGHLY 25 ACRES. THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGE IN THE ZONING TEXT THAT ALLOWS THE THAT ALIGNMENT TO ADJUST AS WE PUSH AND PULL WITH THE VARIOUS TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE IN THE PROPER ALIGNMENT OF THAT, THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ACREAGE OF THESE VARIOUS SUB AREAS. BUT THE ALIGNMENT NEEDS TO NEEDS TO DICTATE THOSE THOSE THOSE SUB AREAS. SO LONG WINDED ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION THAT MAPS AS 27 ULTIMATELY BUILDABLE WILL BE ROUGHLY 25. WHAT DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE EXISTING, JUST ACROSS THE FREEWAY MEDICAL, THE SURGICAL HOSPITAL AND THE MED BUILDINGS SITS, YOU HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES BACK. YOURS BOTH THERE WERE BOTH VISIBLE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HE'S CHECKING FOR? ME? WELL, CHRIS, IF YOU ROLL A COUPLE SLIDES BACK TO THE OVERHEAD IN THE COLOR OVERHEAD, THAT ONE, IF I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT , YOU KNOW. YEAH THAT'S THE EXISTING SURGICAL HOSPITAL AND THE ANCILLARY MED BUILDINGS, AND IT'S ON A SIMILAR OR SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT YOU THE MORE IMMEDIATE AREAS ARE, RIGHT? OH, THE CLOSER ONES EARLY. YES. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENSION FROM ZALI TO, WOULD NOT WOODCREST TO FOREST. THERE AND, NOT NOT A, NOT A BAD MODEL, NOT UNLIKE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. IT PROVIDES SOME SCALE, SOME SCALE. YEAH, YEAH, BIG SCALE WISE. WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE ZONING TEXT, WHEN WE GET THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, WE HAVE BEEN, VERY BROAD IN ALL THE TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED. THERE FROM EMERGENCY, CARE, SURGERY CENTER, AS WELL AS OVERNIGHT BEDS. SO ALL OF THOSE AMBULATORY CARE, ALL OF THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT STRUCTURED PARKING, ARE ALL LISTED UNDER THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THAT SUB AREA. OKAY, AND WHILE I'VE GOT AN INTERRUPTION IN, NOTE FOR THE EXTENSION OF THESE AND SLASH GANTMAN, RIGHT NOW, DUBLIN-GRANVILLE IN THAT SECTION FROM 605 EAST IS A VERY LOW TRAFFIC, BIKE FRIENDLY CORRIDOR. AND WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT. AND IN PARTICULAR, AND CHRIS MILLER WANTS TO BE A LOWER TRAFFIC THAN IT IS. THE INTERACTION OF THE NEW ROAD AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IT CARRIES. AND IT COMES STRAIGHT OFF A FREEWAY INTERCHANGE, EFFECTIVELY, FUNNELING IT INTO WHAT USED TO BE A HIGHWAY AND ISN'T ANYMORE, LET US BE VERY AND THE STAFF AS WELL AS YOU GUYS LET US BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENS AND THE TOPOGRAPHY ABOUT KITZMILLER IS THAT IT'S UP PRETTY HIGH WHEN IT MEETS DUBLIN-GRANVILLE BECAUSE IT JUST CAME OVER NEW 161. YEAH. IT'S INTERESTING. I MEAN, YOU TALKED FOR ABOUT SCALE AND THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT NOT ONLY, LEISURE TRAILS, THE VALLEY LOOP, BIKEWAYS, SETBACKS, ALL THOSE THINGS CAN'T BE LOOKED AT OR EVALUATED IN THE IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS 103 ACRE PIECE, IT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNITY WIDE. AND THE OTHER YOU TALKED A BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE GRADING CHALLENGES. I THINK I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE KITZMILLER ROAD IS VERY HIGH THROUGH HERE. SO WHEN WE START DESIGNING AND COMING UP WITH THE ALIGNMENT OF THIS ROAD, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT OBSTACLES. THE GRADING IS ONE OF THEM. I BET. I BET KITZMILLER ROAD THROUGH HERE IS I'M GOING TO SAY 15 TO 20FT ABOVE THE NATURAL GRADE DOWN HERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL STAND OF TREES WITH MATURE HARDWOODS IN IT. AND THERE'S ALSO A HISTORICAL STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN REFURBISHED AND IS IN USE ON THE OTHER CORNER. SO LOTS OF I'M GOING TO SAY OBSTACLES, BUT BUT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU COME UP WITH THE FUTURE ALIGNMENT OF GANNON PARKWAY, KITZMILLER ROAD AND THE LIKE, LET ALONE THE QUESTION OF TRAFFIC VOLUMES, WE KNOW THAT GANNON PARKWAY WILL CARRY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. IT SHOULD BE DESIGNED OR WILL BE DESIGNED IN A WAY TO DO THAT. SO HOW YOU WEAVE THE PEDESTRIAN. I'M SORRY. YEAH. WEST OF THAT INTERSECTION AND CUTTING SOUTH BEHIND THE HOUSE. YEAH. IT STRIKES ME AS WHERE WE WANT THIS TO GO, DO YOU GUYS HAVE CONTROL OVER THE FRONTAGE ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD BETWEEN KITZMILLER AND OR DO YOU HAVE MOST OF THE CONTROL ON THE, WEST OF KITZMILLER, SOUTH OF [01:15:07] DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. WEST OF KITZMILLER? YES. ALL OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A THIRD PARTY TO DEAL WITH ABOUT. OH, MY HOUSE IS HERE AND YOU CAN'T. WE HAVE TO GO AROUND IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. OUR OUR OWNERSHIP GOES IT INCLUDES THE DAY SCHOOL. SO, YOU WILL SEE IN THE APPLICATION WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU, SETBACKS ALONG DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD STEPHEN HAS ALREADY MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LEISURE PATH ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD, HOW THAT THEN CONNECTS INTO PERHAPS I SHOULDN'T SAY PERHAPS WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM THE CITY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE GANTON PARKWAY TO HAVE A PATH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, SO NOT A SIDEWALK ON ONE, BUT A PATH ON BOTH. SO LOTS OF DETAILS LIKE THAT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GET INTO WON'T BE ANSWERED NECESSARILY IN THIS REZONING, BUT NEED TO BE RED FLAGGED NOW. YES, I WANT THEM IN THE MIX BECAUSE THERE'S NO PIXELS ON A SCREEN ANYWHERE. YEAH, SO IT'S CHEAP TO GET IT, GET THAT PART RIGHT AS OPPOSED TO SAY WE'VE GOT 6000 HOURS OF ENGINEERING THAT WE'D HAVE TO THROW AWAY, LIKE ALL YOUR LITTLE NUMBERED OR LETTERED LOTS THAT YOU CAN MOVE GANTON WEST. YEAH SO I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING HERE. THAT'S SUBAREA ONE. UNLESS YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE IN HERE. NO. YOU HIT MY EMAIL LIST. GO FOR IT. SUBAREA TWO IS JUST SHY OF 16 ACRES. IT EXTENDS THROUGH THAT BIG STAND OF TREES THAT I MENTIONED, THAT IS, IS, CARRIES A, LAND USE DESIGNATION OF OCD OFFICE CAMPUS DISTRICT, PERHAPS OFFICE TYPE USES RELATED TO MEDICAL USES. IS WHERE OUR HEAD IS, BUT GENERAL OFFICE TYPE USES , SUBAREA THREE. EVERYTHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GANTON PARKWAY, WE HAVE, AS AARON MENTIONED, JUST LIFTED THE NUMBER OF UNITS PERMITTED ON GANTON TODAY, 294 294 INTO SUBAREA THREE, SUBAREA THREE ALSO INCLUDES CIVIC OR INSTITUTIONAL TYPE USES POST OFFICE, LIBRARY, CIVIC TYPE USES COULD ALSO BE PERMITTED WITHIN THERE AS WELL AS ACTIVE OR COMMUNITY PARKS. AGAIN, AS WE AS WE POUND THROUGH THIS WITH WITH CITY STAFF, WE BELIEVE WE WILL COME BACK WITH IN SUBAREA THREE UNDER THE URBAN CENTER CODE. THE URBAN CENTER CODE HAS ALREADY DESIGNATED OR IDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE THERE WILL BE COMMUNITY PARK, OR NOT LOOKING FOR ANY KIND OF EXCEPTION OR VARIANCE TO THE CODE REQUIREMENTS TO PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, AND HAVE COMMITTED TO MEETING THOSE OBLIGATIONS ON THIS PIECE. WE WILL NOT BE DIPPING INTO THE BANK. IN OTHER WORDS, TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, HOW AND WHERE AND WHEN THAT LOOKS LIKE NEEDS TO BE. OUR OPINION NEEDS TO BE TIED TO WHAT THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE, AS AARON MENTIONED. WILL IT BE ATTACHED PRODUCT? WILL IT BE DETACHED PRODUCT? WHAT WHAT WE KNOW MORE WHAT IT WON'T BE THAN WHAT IT WILL BE. IT WILL NOT BE ANOTHER PHASE OF WINDSOR. OKAY. RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS ON THEIR, PROJECTIONS. WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR, AND THEY'VE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT ANOTHER WINDSOR IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. SO ALL RELATED TO THE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE PIECE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ARTFULLY WORK THROUGH THAT. AGAIN. WE WILL NOT DIP INTO OUR BANK FOR ANY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. I SUSPECT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'LL EXCEED THOSE REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T KNOW , BUT, OUR COMMITMENT IS THAT THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE BUILT AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. PIECE SO ALL OF SUBAREA 365 ACRES WILL NOT BE HOUSING SPREAD WITH A BUTTER KNIFE. I SUSPECT THERE AT ONE POINT WE EVEN HAD DIFFERENT SUB AREAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. THOUGHT BETTER TO JUST LEAVE IT AS ONE AREA TO ADD SOMETHING. SO, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT RECALL THAT THE KPD FROM 98 HAS A HOUSING BANK AND, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WE JUST DECIDED THE EASIEST THING WAS TO KEEP IT THE SAME. BUT THERE IS A THERE IS A VERY LIKELY SCENARIO WHERE SOME OF THOSE UNITS MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED IN THIS SITE AND GO BACK INTO THAT BANK, SO THE INTENT IS NOT TO NECESSARILY MAXIMIZE DENSITY. IT'S JUST IT YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP OUR OPTIONS OPEN, TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT EVERYBODY'S PROUD OF. AND IT MAY [01:20:03] VERY WELL BE THAT WE DON'T USE THEM ALL. AND TOM AND AARON. SO COULD THAT BE A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, CONDOMINIUMS? COULD IT BE APARTMENTS? COULD BE. YEAH, IT COULD BE. AND I TAKE IT YOU OCCASIONALLY UPDATE THE SCHOOL ON HOW BIG THE HOUSING BANK IS SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT MORE THAN OCCASIONALLY, PART OF OUR, OUR SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT. IS, IS, HOUSING OR IS SCHOOL IMPACT STATEMENTS. RIGHT. BUT AS FAR AS THE HOUSING BANK GOES AND ALL OF THAT, I MEAN, LAST WEEK I WAS ON WITH THEM. SO YES. YEAH. YEAH I THINK I'VE HIT ALL THE HIGH LIGHTS ON THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY, THE HEADWATERS OF THE ROSE RUN CREEK, SET BACK FROM 161 PAVEMENT AND BUILDING WILL BE SOMETHING. WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND BETTER. HISTORIC HOMESTEAD OFF TO THE EAST. THERE WILL BE A HEALTHY SETBACK ALONG DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD. IT'S A REALLY FUN AND EXCITING PROJECT. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. AS AARON MENTIONED, WE GO BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. WE'LL WE'LL CERTAINLY BE A COUNCIL. MANY STOPS ALONG THE WAY. THE CITY HAS STARTED DOING SOME FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS AS WELL. AS WE START LOOKING AT VALUES AND INCOME TAX GENERATING USES AND THE LIKES OF, THRILLED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH THIS. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME IN COMING AND WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE. YES. YOU CAN GET YOU TO PUT A FACILITY THERE BECAUSE MY DOCTOR USED TO BE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF MY HOUSE, AND NOW HAMILTON ROAD'S A LITTLE TOO FAR , QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. CAN YOU ROLL IT BACK TO THE OVERALL? BACK IT UP. YES SO THE THING THAT JUST ISSUE THAT JUST POPPED INTO MY MIND WAS THE RELATIONSHIP OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AGAIN WITH THE EXTENSION. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT. THE EXTENSION OF THE, FEEDER ROUTE OUT AROUND THE CITY, UP THROUGH SIXTH SIXTH STREET IS I'M REMEMBERING IT. RIGHT. THE MARKET STREET EXTENSION, THE THIRD STREET, THE THIRD DOES HOW DOES THAT DOES IT IMPACT ANY OR IS THERE ANY RETHINKING TO. THAT JUST STRIKES ME THAT PEOPLE BE COMING AROUND AND THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO GO UP AND THEN COME IN, OR THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP AND TAKE A RIGHT ON OLD 161 AND THEN GO INTO THE GANTON AREA. SO THIS IS THIRD STREET, THIRD STREET, ANYWHERE. SO AND MARKET STREET IS HERE. SO THAT EXTENSION WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS IMPACTING THE DOES THIS PROJECT IMPACT THE ENTRANCE TO GANTON? WE KNOW THE MAIN COLLECTOR ROAD WILL BEGIN PARKWAY EXTENSION. THE CITY RAISED THIS YEARS AGO WITH THE ZONING WHEN THIS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WAS BUILT AND SAID, WE MAY WANT THAT ROAD TO EXTEND AND CONNECT INTO IT THE WAY THE, PRESERVATION EASEMENT ALONG THAT SECTION OF THE HEADWATERS IS WRITTEN. IT IT DOESN'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. WE NEED TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO NOW OR NOT, BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A DOCUMENT TO PRECLUDE IT FROM HAPPENING. SO AS WE MODIFY THAT DOCUMENT, THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PARTY TO IT. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE ALLOW THAT SECONDARY CONNECTION TO HAPPEN. AND WHEN WE HAVE A PLAN TO LOOK AT AND RESPOND TO, WE RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. I DON'T KNOW IT DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THIS AREA ALL TO BE PARKLAND? YOU KNOW, IF YOU TALK ABOUT, 300 UNITS, THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH. AT LEAST TEN ACRES OF PARK, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, IT'S NO SECRET. THE SCHOOLS HAVE APPROACHED US TO TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL BALL FIELDS AND PARKLAND. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AS THAT MAY. THEY MAY BE A, RECIPIENT OF ADDITIONAL PARKLAND IN THIS PARCEL. LOTS OF QUESTIONS. MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS AT THIS POINT. BUT AS FAR AS VEHICULAR ACCESS AND CIRCULATION, THERE WILL NOT BE ROAD CONNECTORS FROM THIS PIECE DOWN ONTO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. WE'LL KEEP THAT, WITHOUT ANY CURB CUTS. SO THE TRAFFIC SYSTEM ALL PUBLICLY DEDICATED ROADS, NO PRIVATE ROADS, WILL HAVE TO MAKE SENSE AND BE LOGICAL TO EFFECTIVELY DISTRIBUTE THE TRAFFIC. YEAH, THAT COULD EASILY BE ROSE RUN PARK AND PLUS ONE FOR WHATEVER NUMBER NEEDS TO BE IN, YEAH, I YEAH. AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WERE SOMETHING MORE THAN SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST JUMP OVER. IT NEEDS TO BE [01:25:06] SOMETHING. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE NETWORK THAT'S BEEN CREATED, IT'S PHENOMENAL. AND THIS IS HOPEFULLY A TERMINUS TO THAT. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. THANK YOU I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS. IT TAKES US TO POLL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. SARAH. NOTHING FOR ME. THANK YOU. HOT. NOTHING FOR ME. DAVE I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER. WHEN I RETURNED FROM MY CRACK MEETING TO. THANK YOU, TO THIS POINT, I ALWAYS FORGET TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I JUST. ALL RIGHT. AND * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.