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          WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE NEW ALBANY CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JUNE 18TH, MAYOR SPAULDING, GREEN LIGHT. THERE WE GO. FROM THE TOP. SO RUSTY. 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
YEAH, SORRY I MISSED. I MISSED THE MEETING, FELL OUT OF SEQUENCE, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO THE NEW ALBANY CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JUNE 18TH. I WOULD INVITE EVERYONE TO STAND WITH COUNCIL AND RECITE OUR NATIONAL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. CLERK. MASON. 
          THE ROLL, PLEASE. YES. AND IF COUNCIL WILL TURN ON THEIR MICROPHONES, MAYOR SPALDING, HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELIZ HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHULL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT HERE. I 
          [4. ACTION ON MINUTES]
HAVE SEVEN PRESENT FOR THE JUNE 18TH, 2024. REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ACTION ON THE MINUTES PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, A COPY OF THE PROPOSED MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 4TH MEETING WERE DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? COUNCIL MEMBER APPROACHED ME WITH SOME NON-SUBSTANTIVE, FIXES, I'VE GOT HIS NAME ENTITLED BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND WE FIXED SOMETHING ABOUT WAYFINDING SIGNS, BUT WAS NOT SUBSTANTIVE. THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE ORIGINAL, THE CORRECTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES, THEN I WOULD MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES BY CONSENSUS. ADDITIONS 
          [5. ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA]
OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA. WOULD ANYONE FROM STAFF OR COUNCIL LIKE TO RECOMMEND ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? YOU HAVE AN AGENDA ITEMS, EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR PERSONNEL, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED AGENDA? I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY OTHER REQUESTS. ALL RIGHT, THEN I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE AMEND TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO INCLUDE, A EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO OHIO REVISED CODE ONE 2120 2G1 FOR DISCUSSION REGARDING APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, DISMISSAL, DISCIPLINE, PROMOTION, DEMOTION OR COMPENSATION OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE. SECOND. THAT IS ONE AND TWO. NOW YOU'RE SPALDING. 
          YES COUNCILMEMBER. SHELL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. FEATHERS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. 
          SEVEN. YES. VOTES TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT, UNDER OUR 
          [6. HEARING OF VISITORS]
HEARING VISITORS TONIGHT, WE HAVE OUR, FRIENDS AND PARTNERS FROM PLAIN TOWNSHIP THIS EVENING. THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON ACTIVITY AT THE TOWNSHIP. WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO LEAD THE CHARGE? TRUSTEE HOWARD. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MR. CITY MANAGER, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M KERRY MILLARD, CHAIR OF THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP BOARD OF TRUSTEES. I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY MY COLLEAGUES, TRUSTEE DAVE FERGUSON AND TRUSTEE BECCA HILL. 
          WE WANTED TO COME AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FINANCES AND WHERE WE ARE WITH PLANNING, SO WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT, SHARING WITH YOU ABOUT OUR PARTNERSHIP, TRUSTEE FERGUSON WILL WILL THEN COME UP AND SHARE ABOUT OUR FINANCES. AND TRUSTEE BECKET HILL WILL SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT OUR GROWTH AND THE PROJECTIONS AND THE PLANNING THAT WE'RE SEEING RELATED TO THAT, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US IN THIS EVENING. SO WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, OUR MISSION AND VISION DRIVES OUR WORK AND SO WE JUST WE WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THE NEW MISSION. THE NEW MISSION STATEMENT THAT WAS CREATED WITH OUR COMMUNITY WHEN WE DID OUR NEW STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THAT IS TOGETHER WE SAVE LIVES THROUGH EDUCATION, ENGAGEMENT AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. AND WE FOCUS ON THAT WORD TOGETHER BECAUSE WE ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU AND WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO DO THIS REALLY IMPORTANT, LIFE SAVING WORK. AND ULTIMATELY, OUR VISION IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS INFORMED, CONNECTED AND SAFE. SO RELATED TO OUR PARTNERSHIP, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT WE DO TOGETHER, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WORK TOGETHER VERY COLLABORATIVELY AND JOSH AND YOUR TEAM ARE ALWAYS DOING VIDEOS WITH US. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. FOR ALL OF THE GENERAL SUPPORT AND MR. DIRK, FOR ALL THE TIMES THAT YOU COME AND SIT AT OUR TOWNSHIP MEETINGS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE DO HAVE A REQUEST THIS EVENING, MR. CITY MANAGER, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE TIPS AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE ANALYSIS THAT YOUR TEAM HAS DONE. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN COMPLICATED TO LOOK AT THOSE COMMERCIAL TIPS, BUT WE'D LIKE TO FORMALLY ASK FOR THE LEGISLATION TO AWARD THOSE TO THE TOWNSHIP TONIGHT. THAT FINAL NUMBER OF WHAT THAT TIP WOULD BE, THAT ONE TIME PAYMENT. AND THEN UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT CARRY FORWARD CHANGE WOULD BE REALLY WILL IMPACT OUR PLANNING. AS WE LOOK AT A POTENTIAL LEVY, LOOK AT ALL THE REVENUE SOURCES 
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THAT FUND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT SO THAT IS OUR FIRST DIRECT REQUEST FOR THIS EVENING, IS IF WE CAN MAKE THAT ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, IF WE CAN FORMALIZE THOSE. SECONDLY AS WE PLAN FOR GROWTH, WE WELCOME AN OPPORTUNITY WITH YOU AT CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS GOING FORWARD ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ABATEMENTS AND THOSE IMPACTS ON THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET, WHEN ADMINISTRATOR COLLINS ANALYZED THE ABATED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE TOWNSHIP, THAT WOULD HAVE ADDED $608,478 TO THE 2023 RECEIPTS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'S A SIZABLE NUMBER. OVER TIME, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MILLIONS OF ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO THE FIRE AND EMS BUDGET, SO AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE, WE'D LOVE TO CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. BUT THIS EVENING, WE'D LOVE YOUR SUPPORT OF THE TIFS. I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE, TRUSTEE FERGUSON, TO SHARE MORE ABOUT THE BUDGET. THANKS, CARRIE . GOOD EVENING. HOPE YOU'RE ALL DOING WELL. IT'S GOOD TO SEE A LOT OF YOU. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THIS BRIEF. NOT BORE YOU WITH A BUNCH OF NUMBERS, BUT I FELT LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE YOU SOME TRANSPARENCY TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION. SO ESSENTIALLY, WE BRING IN ABOUT $8.7 MILLION ANNUALLY IN TERMS OF REVENUES. 
          AND SO THE FIRST QUESTION THEN HOW IS THAT MADE UP OF PREDOMINANTLY IT'S PROPERTY TAX? OKAY THE SECOND AREA IS TIFS AND THAT IS THE TIPS FROM NEW ALBANY, WHICH IS MOSTLY THE RESIDENTIAL TIFS. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BLACKLICK TIFF. WE'RE GETTING SOME DOLLARS THERE. SO IT'S ABOUT $122,000 ON THAT. SO THAT'S THE TIP DOLLARS THAT WE ARE GETTING. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME EMS FEES THAT WE HAVE FOR PREDOMINANTLY NON RESIDENTS. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE RECEIPTS. SO WE HAD OUR LAST LEVY IN 2015 WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY NINE YEARS AGO. SO I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED PRETTY GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR FUNDS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, WE HAVE A SITUATION NOW WHERE A CARRY OVER BALANCE IS BECOMING, I WOULD SAY, REALLY KIND OF CRITICAL FOR US. WE CAN'T EXTEND THIS LEVY ANYMORE. AND WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE DISBURSEMENTS AND WHAT'S GOING ON MOST RECENTLY HERE. SO WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE NEED STARTING IN 2026. AND SO WE'VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND HOW WE CAN FUND THE TOWNSHIP. THE BIG THING WE WANT TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT CARRIE KIND OF MENTIONED ON A LITTLE BIT, IS THE BURDEN THAT'S CARRIED BY THE HOMEOWNERS. AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. BUT REALLY, ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE PROPERTY TAX IS FUNDED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT A LOT OF THE TAX ABATEMENTS, AS WELL AS THE TIFS ARE FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH IS GREAT. WE'VE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB. AND SO AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF RECEIPTS AND REVENUES TO GROW FOR, FOR AND FUND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS AS WE SHOULD, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS TALKING ABOUT A LEVY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LEVY. WE'RE TRYING TO SIZE THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT SIZE. SO THE CHALLENGE IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO IS SAYING, HEY, HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER, WHICH WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER, RIGHT? TO LESSEN THE TAX BURDEN FOR OUR RESIDENTS? WELL THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU AND CARRIE KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE NEED YOUR HELP WITH THE TIFFS. AND TO REALLY RETHINK HOW WE'RE DOING. TAX ABATEMENTS RELATIVE TO COMMERCIAL. AND THE BIG THING THERE IS THE RESIDENTS ARE THE PRIMARY PAYER OF FIRE SERVICE. AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO BE SMART ABOUT THIS LEVY THAT WE GOT COMING UP, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT. AND SO THAT WE DON'T WANT THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE TO TAKE ON THAT STRESSFUL BURDEN WITH ALL THE FIRE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS ARE GOING ON. SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER OR ANSWERING QUESTIONS YOU HAVE SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY TAX DISTRIBUTIONS PER THE FRANKLIN COUNTY AUDITOR. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE IS TO PROVIDE FIRE SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE NEW ALBANY INCORPORATED NON-CORPORATE AREA. IT'S ABOUT 8% OF THE PIE HERE, 10% FOR THE TOWNSHIP, 8% FOR FIRE SERVICE. IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU DIMENSIONALIZE THAT HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER SERVICES? I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD VALUE 8% WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OUR PARK DISTRICT AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS. SO SCHOOLS IS THE LARGEST PART OF THE PROPERTY TAX BASE, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, DISBURSEMENTS. SO THIS IS, AN AREA WE WANT TO JUST KIND 
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OF MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON? WELL, MOST OF IT IS EQUIPMENT AND LABOR FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S THE BIGGEST EXPENDITURES. BUT WE DO HAVE CAPITAL. AND THE CAPITAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IS FOR THE EQUIPMENT, THE FIRE ENGINES, THE EMS VEHICLES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT BREATHING APPARATUSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT HERE'S THE BIG EYE OPENER THAT WE'VE SEEN, AND WE'VE SEEN IT IN BUSINESS TO THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SINCE PRE AFTER COVID IS INFLATION. AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT'S EXTRAORDINARY, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRE EQUIPMENT INDUSTRY. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A FIRE TRUCK THAT WE ORDERED TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS $935,000. TODAY IF I WANT TO ORDER THAT FIRE TRUCK SAME, SAME EVERYTHING ON IT, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION. THAT'S A 60% INCREASE. AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S A FOUR YEAR WAITING FOR A FIRE TRUCK NOW. AND THIS IS NOT JUST ONE MANUFACTURER. IT'S MULTIPLE MANUFACTURERS. SO THIS IS THE TYPE OF PRICE INCREASES AND PRESSURE THAT WE'RE SEEING ON OUR BUDGETS. SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. THE OTHER THING IS WE DID A LOT OF REPAIRS TO OUR FIRE HOUSE. IT'S 26 YEARS OLD. SO IT NEEDED EXTENSIVE RENOVATIONS. IT NEEDED NEW CONCRETE. IT NEEDS A NEW GENERATOR. IT NEEDED A NEW ROOF. SO ALL THESE TYPES OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURES WERE NEEDED TO REPAIR THIS FIREHOUSE AND KEEP IT IN WORKING CONDITIONS. 
          AND I THINK NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE DEMAND. AND MY COLLEAGUE JILL HILL WILL COME FILL YOU IN. THANKS GOOD EVENING. IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT NUMBERS, I'M GOING TO SHARE A FEW MORE NUMBERS WITH YOU. AND EVERY MONTH WE TALK ABOUT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND THAT IS REALLY BASED UPON THE NEEDS OF THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE GROWTH. HOW DO WE PREPARE FOR GROWTH AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE IN THE DEMAND. SO IF WE LOOK BACK AT OUR FIRE RUNS, IN 2013, WE HAD 695. FAST FORWARD TO 2023, 921, 226. OUR EMS RUNS MAJORITY OF THE RUNS WE TAKE. OUR EMS 2013 IS 1301, 2023 IS 1955. IT'S AN INCREASE OVER TEN YEARS. 694 TO DATE THROUGH MAY OF 2024, PLAIN TOWNSHIP HAS HAD 1269 RUNS. THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S JUST THROUGH MAY. ALSO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS. A LOT OF BUILDING A LOT OF GROWTH. 2022. WE HAD 871. 
          AND IN 2023, 870. SO AS WE CAN SEE, THE DEMAND FOR OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS IS GROWING. PLANNED REVIEW. SMALL INCREASE FROM 37 TO 44. AND OUR NEXT SLIDE IS CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE THERE? JILL. 
          SORRY, I JUST THE FIRE RUNS ARE 13 TO 23. WHY AREN'T THE INSPECTIONS AND PLAN REVIEW THE SAME DURATION? OH THE TEN YEAR GAP. YEAH. IT'S JUST THAT WAS HOW THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA WAS DRAWN, I THINK THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, EVERY. YEAH. WE JUST HAD A ONE YEAR LOOK BACK ON THAT ONE. AND THEN JUST A QUICK QUESTION. YEAH. YOUR FIRE RUNS AND EMS RUNS THAT OBVIOUSLY GOES TO NEW ALBANY CITY, WE ALSO HAVE COLUMBUS IN THERE. WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS MUTUAL. SO MUTUAL AID MIGHT BE INTO LICKING COUNTY INTO CITY PARTS OF COLUMBUS. OKAY, THAT'S WHERE THOSE MUTUAL RUNS WILL GO TO. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS FOR NEW ALBANY ON THOSE RUNS? YOU KNOW, GENERAL, SO THE GOOD NEWS TODAY IS CHIEF CONNOR'S WITH US TODAY. 
          SO I'M GOING TO LOOK RIGHT OVER MY LEFT SHOULDER. 55, YEAH. IF YOU WOULD COME ON UP FOR THE RECORD AND FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO HEAR THE ANSWER, PART OF MY WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU UP EVENTUALLY WITH ME TODAY. YES. OR OUR MUTUAL AID RUNS ARE IN THE 55% RANGE, OR 45% RANGE, 55% OF OUR OWN RUNS. SO WE'RE SEEING A CHANGE RIGHT NOW OF THAT. WE'RE WATCHING WE'RE MEASURING THAT EACH AND EVERY MONTH, WE ARE DOING LESS MUTUAL AID TO COLUMBUS, MORE OF OUR OWN RUNS. 
          SO THE NUMBERS ARE SWITCHING. BUT RIGHT AROUND THE 50% RANGE RIGHT NOW, BETWEEN OUR OWN CALLS FOR SERVICE IN PLAIN TOWNSHIP AND CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND FRANKLIN COUNTY AND THEN MUTUAL AID, WE DO HAVE MUTUAL AID PACTS WITH WITH JEFFERSON TOWNSHIP, MIFFLIN TOWNSHIP, GAHANNA, CITY OF COLUMBUS, HARLEM TOWNSHIP, MONROE TOWNSHIP AND WEST LICKING JOINT FIRE DISTRICT. SO THOSE ARE OUR PARTNERS THAT WE RUN WITH EVERY DAY, SOME INTO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND LICKING COUNTY AND MOST OF OUR RUNS HERE IN THE CITY CENTER. AND IN THIS AREA. OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THE RECIPROCAL? HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO CALL ON THOSE TOWNSHIPS AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FOR MUTUAL AID TO COME? SO OUR EMS RUNS ARE GENERALLY COVERED BY OUR OWN EQUIPMENT, ANYTHING THAT GOES BEYOND THAT. SO AN AUTO ACCIDENT REQUIRING EXTRACTION, A FIRE 
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ALARM, WATER FLOW ALARM, A WORKING FIRE. THOSE THINGS ALL REQUIRE MORE COMPANIES TO RESPOND. THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION REQUIRES SO MANY FIREFIGHTERS ACTUALLY RESPOND TO THE REPORT OF A FIRE OR TO A FIRE ALARM. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT COMPLEMENT OF PEOPLE. 
          MOST FIRE DEPARTMENTS OR FIRE STATIONS DON'T HAVE THAT ENTIRE COMPLEMENT. SO WE HELP EACH OTHER ACROSS OUR BORDERS. WE RUN SEAMLESSLY MUTUAL AID WITH OUR PARTNERS AROUND US, AROUND THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, THEY CALL FOR US, WE CALL FOR THEM. SO SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ONE FOR ONE, JUST DEPENDING ON WHO WE'RE RUNNING WITH THAT DAY. SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT WE RUN WITH ARE BUSIER THAN WE ARE. THE CITY OF GAHANNA IS BUSIER THAN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND PLAIN TOWNSHIP. NONETHELESS, THEY THEY OFFER THEIR RESOURCES TO US WHEN WE NEED THEM TO GET THE COMPLEMENT OF FIREFIGHTERS TO RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS. THAT'S A REQUIRED, RECOMMENDATION BY THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION. DO YOU THINK IT'S A MORE OF A DRAIN FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MUTUAL AID TO THOSE MUNICIPALITIES, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST HALF OF THAT? DO YOU THINK IT'S A DRAIN TO YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING MORE MUTUAL AID TO THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND NOT I THINK THAT IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL RIGHT NOW JUST BECAUSE THE CITY OF COLUMBUS SPECIFICALLY HAS ANNEXED AREA INTO GEOGRAPHICALLY THE CLOSEST AREA FOR US TO RESPOND AND DOESN'T HAVE A FIRE STATION IN THAT AREA. SO WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SAVING LIVES AND GETTING THERE. AND WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS TO CONTINUE TO RESPOND TO THOSE AREAS. THOSE AREAS OF COLUMBUS, THOSE RESIDENTS STILL THINK THAT WE ARE THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT. WHEN TECHNICALLY THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT. LITTLE TURTLE STATION 29 IS THE CLOSEST COLUMBUS FIRE STATION TO ANY OF THOSE AREAS. CLEAR UP OFF NEW ALBANY ROAD WEST AND ALL THOSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS. THEY CAN'T GET THERE AS FAST AS WE CAN. SO IN A CARDIAC ARREST EVENT, THE REPORT OF A FIRE UNCONSCIOUS, ANY ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT COME ALONG TO, THEY IMMEDIATELY CALL US TO HELP RESPOND TO, TO REDUCE THOSE RESPONSE TIMES IN SAVING LIVES, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A BUSINESS OF MINUTES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IN FIRES AND IN MEDICAL EMERGENCIES, MINUTES MATTERS. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY IMPERATIVE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS DO WORK TOGETHER AND COLLABORATE ON THOSE RESPONSES. NOW, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A FIRE STATION. THEY THINK THEY JUST PASSED THIS. CORRECT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING FIRE STATION AT HARLEM AND CENTRAL COLLEGE STATION 36. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, MAYBE THREE YEARS BEFORE YOU SEE FIRE TRUCKS RUNNING AT THAT LOCATION. SO IN THAT TIME FRAME, WE'LL BE ASSISTING THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IN THAT AREA. QUESTION ABOUT THE MUTUAL AID, TWO QUESTIONS ACTUALLY. HOW LONG HAS THE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT BEEN IN PLACE, AND HAS IT CHANGED OVER THE YEARS FOR ITS SCOPE? IT DOES NOT CHANGE. IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 31 YEARS, ALL OVER FROM LICKING COUNTY INTO FRANKLIN COUNTY. THEY'VE EXISTED AT LEAST THAT LONG, IF NOT LONGER THAN THAT. THE LAST AGREEMENT I SAW STILL HAD CHIEF KUBLER'S SIGNATURE ON IT. OKAY, WITH ALL THE FRANKLIN COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS HAD AGREED TO THE MUTUAL AID AND THAT THAT AGREEMENT STILL STANDS TODAY WITH THOSE, ENTITIES. THAT'S GREAT. AND YOU SAID THAT THE RECENT TREND WAS UPWARD TOWARDS THAT RUNS BEING MORE ON NEW ALBANY TERRITORY, SORRY IF THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT LINGO, DO YOU HAVE A UNDERSTAND? JUST AS WE LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS ON THE TEN YEAR GAP, HOW HOW THAT NUMBER WOULD TREND, IF YOU LOOKED AT FOR A TEN YEAR LOOK BACK, IS IT A SUBSTANTIAL, INCREASE? HAS THE HAS IT CHANGED OVER THE YEARS? THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE INSPECTIONS OR THE RUNS. THE RUNS. WELL, PRIOR RUNS, I GUESS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE MUTUALLY AID OR MUTUAL AID. SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WAY WE PROVIDE SERVICE, WE'RE EXPECTING SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN THE NEW ALBANY PLAIN TOWNSHIP AREA. OR WE CAN ANTICIPATE RUNS WILL INCREASE WITH POPULATION INCREASE. THAT'S HOWEVER, MUTUAL AID. YEAH. IF WE ARE ABLE TO GROW WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND ADD MORE PERSONNEL, MORE RESPONSE VEHICLES, OUR REQUIREMENT ON MUTUAL AID TO COME IN TO HELP US WILL REDUCE, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HANDLE MORE OF OUR RUNS ON OUR OWN WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ON THE STREET. I GUESS MAYBE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS? YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYBE CAN WE? I WANTED TO ASK SOMETHING ABOUT THE SLIDE BEFORE THAT REAL QUICK, IF I MAY, BEFORE WE MOVE ON. I WAS HOPING THAT. SO. I'M SORRY, BUT I'VE BEEN KIND OF POLITELY WAITING ON THE BUILDING EXPENSE INSPECTIONS AND PLAN REVIEW. IS THAT COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL? BOTH. DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO RESIDENTIAL INSPECTIONS? THEY'RE ALL COMMERCIAL. THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL WORK. OKAY. YEAH THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. IT SHOULD BE NOTED REAL QUICKLY. AND CARRIE REMINDED ME OF THIS. WE DO NOT. WE HAVE TWO PARAMEDIC UNITS THAT WE STAFF EACH DAY. OUR PRIMARY MEDIC UNIT WILL RESPOND TO THE FIRST CALL, WHETHER THAT'S MUTUAL AID OR WITHIN OUR OWN RUN JURISDICTION. 
          OUR SECOND MEDIC UNIT DOES NOT RESPOND MUTUAL AID. IT IS JUST HELD FOR THE RESIDENTS OF NEW ALBANY AND PLAIN TOWNSHIP IN FRANKLIN COUNTY. SO WE WON'T RESPOND THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS HERE ARE COVERED. THE ONES THAT WE VOW TO PROTECT HAVE A UNIT READY TO GO. 
          WE CROSS STAFFED THAT WITH OUR LADDER TRUCK, SO THE LADDER COMPANY WILL JUMP TO THE SECOND MEDIC AND RESPOND TO THAT. THAT SECOND CALL, JUST JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WE DO KEEP A MEDIC UNIT IN OUR AREA READY TO RESPOND TO OUR OWN RESIDENTS. AND JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE KICK IT 
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BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN WILTROUT. JUST ON MUTUAL AID. CHIEF. AND SORRY FOR ALL THESE QUESTIONS, WE DON'T WE DON'T DO WE WAITED UNTIL JOE GOT UP, BUT, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THE BREAKDOWN SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, 50, 50, 55, 45. IS THERE ANY LEVEL OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR ALL THE CALLS, EXTRA JURISDICTIONAL. SO THE REIMBURSEMENT IS FROM THE EMS BILLING, TRANSPORT. SO WHEN WE DO RUN MUTUAL AID AND WE TRANSPORT A PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL, WE CAN BUILD THEM FOR EMS. SO OUR EMS REVENUE, THERE IS A FORM OF REVENUE COMING IN FOR THAT. IT IS NOT COMMON FOR FIRE COMPANIES TO BILL OTHER FIRE COMPANIES FOR FIRE RESPONSE. IT DOES HAPPEN. IT IS, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY LIMITED. AND IT'S NOT REALLY IN THIS REGION EVER. NO ONE IN THIS REGION I KNOW THAT'S DOING THAT, AT THIS TIME, WE, JUST RECENTLY REDESIGNED ALL OF OUR INSPECTION FEES TO MATCH MONROE TOWNSHIP AND THE WEST LICKING JOINT FIRE DISTRICT. SO ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING INSPECTED ARE THE SAME FEE SCHEDULE. SO WE'RE COLLABORATING THERE, THAT THAT I THINK WE MADE 17,000 OR 27,000, $27,000 IN A YEAR'S TIME FROM ITS BUILDING INSPECTION FEES. DID THE INSPECTION FEES COVER YOUR COST? NO, THEY DO NOT. AND DOES THE TOWNSHIP CONTROL WHAT THE FEE IS? WE CAN OKAY, WE CAN, WE CAN. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST WE WERE VERY LOW AND WE BROUGHT OUR INSPECTIONS UP TO THE OTHER TWO FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE NOW COVERING THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND LICKING COUNTY. OKAY. SO WE MATCH. SO IF YOU DO AN EMS RUN AND YOU DON'T TRANSPORT A PATIENT, YOU DON'T GET ANY REIMBURSEMENT AT ALL. THERE IS NO NO REVENUE FROM THAT. CORRECT. IT HAS TO BE. IT'S LOADED MILES. SO WHEN YOU TRANSPORT THEM IS THE ONLY TIME WE GET REVENUE. DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF FACTORS AS TO WHAT THAT COSTS YOU WHEN YOU DO THAT TYPE OF THING? HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN ABLE TO ANALYZE THAT, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS NOT A MONEY MAKING BUSINESS, RIGHT. IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE BUSINESS TO PROVIDE, WE USE THE, THE, THE STANDARD RATES TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL. IT IS HELPS US RECOVER SOME OF THOSE COSTS. BUT THE COST OF EMS SUPPLIES, THE COST OF A PARAMEDIC UNIT, EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO IT IS, IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. WE'RE NOT COVERING THE COSTS OF THOSE TRANSPORTS, BUT WE'LL TAKE THAT WHAT WE CAN TO HELP. AND ON THOSE RUNS, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF STATS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? SO THESE RUNS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF STATS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, TRUSTEE FERGUSON WAS SAYING THAT THE BURDEN IS ON THE RESIDENTS. AND SO I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS COST IS GOING TO BUSINESSES VERSUS GOING TO THE RESIDENTIAL. THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES REQUIRE PLANS, REVIEW . WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THOSE THINGS, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME FOR OUR FROM OUR FIRE MARSHAL AND OUR PREVENTION STAFF TO GO IN AND WORK AND COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS TO DO ALL THE PLANS, REVIEW AND BE THERE EVERY DAY DURING CONSTRUCTION, MAKING SURE THAT THE HYDRANTS ARE IN PARTICULAR PLACES THAT WE NEED THEM. THE FIRE ALARM IS OPERATING PROPERLY, THE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM. ALL THE TESTING NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO OPEN THOSE HOURS ARE A LOT, A LOT OF TIME. WE'RE AT GOOGLE ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY RIGHT NOW WITH THEIR BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OUT THERE. OUR PREVENTION STAFF SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS AT GOOGLE JUST ALL BY ITSELF. SO WE WON'T RECOVER THEIR HOURLY RATE AND THEY CAN'T BE AT ANOTHER PLACE TO INSPECT WHEN THEY'RE THERE AND TIED UP. 
          SO THESE BIG PROJECTS, WE ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON OUR PREVENTION STAFF. THEY'RE VERY, VERY BUSY DURING THE DAY. IT'S DIFFICULT TO RECOVER. ONE THING TO NOTE THAT BEN WHISPERED IN MY EAR AND I FAILED TO MENTION WAS THAT, WE SOFT BILL FOR EMS SO THAT REVENUE THAT WE GET FROM EMS TRANSPORTS, IT BASICALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT A PERSON PAY THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT THAT INSURANCE DOESN'T PAY. SO WE JUST COLLECT WHAT THE INSURANCE PAYS AND THEN THE REST IS WRITTEN OFF. SO THAT'S WHAT WE CALL SOFT BILLING. SO OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT BUILD THEIR INSURANCE PAID. THEY DON'T SEE A BILL FOR EMS TRANSPORT. HOWEVER WE DO SEE SOME REVENUE FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES. AND IS THAT FOR MUTUAL AID CALLS AND CALLS IN NEW ALBANY? YES, WE ARE SOFT. THAT'S A THAT'S A CHOICE NOT TO GO THROUGH COLLECTION PROCESS TO TRY TO RECOVER THOSE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN JUST TO MARLENE, I THINK I HEARD YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. FRAME IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THANK YOU, TRUSTEE FERGUSON, APPROPRIATELY POINTED OUT THAT THE, THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF FUNDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY IS PREDOMINANTLY BORNE BY THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. I THINK THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILWOMAN BRISK WAS ASKING IS THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED, ARE THEY UTILIZED PREDOMINANTLY BY THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY? SO THOSE PAYING FOR IT ARE THE ONES RECEIVING AND THE PLANS. AND THAT OBVIOUSLY IS A DIFFERENT TOPIC. AND YOU DID SAY THAT YOU DO GET REIMBURSED. YOU DO CHARGE FOR SOME OF THAT. I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMS AND FIRE AT ALL INTO ONE CATEGORY THAT THAT ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, I GUESS IF YOU DID GROUP IT ALL, THEY WOULD USE EMS AND FIRE LESS THAN THE RESIDENTIAL. WELL, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES THAT THAT TEND TO HAVE CHEMICALS STORED THERE. 
          WE'VE HAD TWO HAZMAT SITUATIONS HERE RECENTLY THAT TOOK A LOT OF RESOURCES, AND THEN WHEN THEY BUILD A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, WE GENERALLY HAVE RESPONSES, MORE RESPONSES IN THE BEGINNING WHILE 
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THEY FIGURE THEIR FIRE ALARM OUT AND THE SENSITIVITY OF THEIR SMOKE DETECTORS AND THOSE THINGS. SO IT'D BE HARD TO REALLY PINPOINT EXACTLY. BUT THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF OUR, OUR OF ANY COMMUNITY REALLY IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF RUNS IS THE RESIDENTIAL. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. YEAH. CONTINUING ON, SOME OF THIS MUTUAL, RUNS AND I DON'T KNOW THIS. SO THIS IS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE YOU HERE TODAY AND, AND TALKING TO US ABOUT SOME OF YOUR NEEDS AND YOUR BUSINESS, WITH THAT MUTUAL AID, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S ABATEMENTS AND TIFFS OUT THERE OUTSIDE OF NEW ALBANY AND COLUMBUS AND GAHANNA AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PLACES. IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN ALSO DO IS TO TALK TO THEM AND DO SIMILAR PRESENTATIONS AND ASK, OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT'S IN PLAIN TOWNSHIP, I SHOULD SAY. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN OR YOU CAN'T DO? NO, WE DON'T GO INTO THE OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND ASK FOR ANY TYPE OF PAYMENT. 
          AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, THEIR FIRE CHIEFS ARE ASKING THEM NOW. OKAY, EVERYBODY, THAT IS IN MY POSITION RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING FOR HOW TO HOW CAN WE REDUCE THE TAX BURDEN ON THE COMMUNITY, AND BE ABLE TO STILL GROW? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION, TO BRING BUSINESSES INTO A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY LIKE THIS. AND STILL BE ABLE TO FUND YOUR, YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THIS, WITH THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND GROWING LIKE IT IS, I HAVE TO FORECAST FIVE, TEN YEARS OUT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE MONEY TO DO THAT AND RIGHT NOW, THE REVENUE IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE EXPENSES . SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE GAP TO WHAT WE NEED TO OPERATE AND GROW, WE CANNOT STAY STAGNANT RIGHT NOW AT THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE ARE COVERING WHAT WE CAN RIGHT NOW, BUT AS THE CITY GROWS AND WE CAN SEE A FIVE YEAR, TEN YEAR PLAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO GROW. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT WE NEED MONEY TO DO THAT. SO WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO? WE TALKED ABOUT THE ABATEMENTS, TALK ABOUT THE TIPS AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS. CREATING A FOUNDATION FOR DONATIONS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE'RE ALL DOING THOSE THINGS TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE GAP SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE TAX BURDEN ON THE COMMUNITY IS LESSENED THAT WAY. 
          ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WAS, WELL, I LOST MY PREVIOUS QUESTION. NOW I'M ON TO THIS COMMERCIAL, INSPECTION, COST HOW IS THE COST FOR COMMERCIAL INSPECTIONS, SET. AND HAS IT CHANGED OVER THE YEARS TO RECOVER THE COST? SO THE FEE SCHEDULE IS BASICALLY A RECOVERY OF WHAT THE GENERAL REGION USES TO DO INSPECTIONS. SO WE COLLABORATED, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WITH MONROE TOWNSHIP AND WEST LICKING JOINT FIRE DISTRICT WITH THEIR PREVENTION AND INSPECTORS TO BRING OUR FEE SCHEDULE EXACTLY TO THEIRS, HOW THAT FEE SCHEDULE CAME ABOUT IS JUST BASICALLY THE REGION AND WHAT OTHER THEY ALL HAD COMMUNICATE AND WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING PEOPLE. WE CAN CHARGE THEM MORE. WE CAN DO THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING ON MONROE AND WEST LICKING AS WELL. SO THE BUILDINGS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THEY COVER ONE, WE COVER THE OTHER. THAT THEY'RE GETTING A FAIR AND EQUAL, FEE SCHEDULE, BUT THERE IS NO THERE'S NO SPECIFIC RULE OR LAW THAT REQUIRES WE CHARGE ONE THING OR ANOTHER. SO. AND ARE ANY OTHER OR ANY OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING TOWNSHIPS SUFFERING FROM A DEFICIT AT THIS TIME? NO. I THINK MOST FIRE DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW ARE WORRIED BECAUSE MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE STATE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST TEN BILLS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY COLLECT PROPERTY TAX. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PIE CHART THAT WE THAT WE HAD UP THERE, THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR US. SO IF THEY REDUCE THE ABILITY TO COLLECT PROPERTY TAX, WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A DEFICIT. SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WHAT'S GOING THROUGH THE STATE HOUSE RIGHT NOW. AND SOME OF THE CHANGES TO HOW WE COLLECT PROPERTY TAX. AND WE'RE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON THAT QUESTION. AND JUST ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE NUMBERS. TRUSTEE FERGUSON SAID 8.7 MILLION IS THE REVENUE IS THAT PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR, OR WAS THAT IN 23?'ST THAT, THEN IF THAT'S 8.7 MILLION AND YOU YOU GO, ACTUALLY YOU CAN YEAH GO UP ABOUT FOUR SLIDES TO YOUR EXPENSES. RIGHT. KEEP ONE MORE. IT WAS LIKE 9.9.8, 9.8. IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO NUMBERS UP THERE IT'S 10.3. SO THAT WAS JUST THAT LAST YEAR 23. WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU PROJECTING IF YOU CAN FOR 24 FOR REVENUE AND EXPENSES? MY QUESTION NINE POINT, IF YOU WILL COME TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN GET YOU ON THE RECORD HERE. I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. ALSO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE ON MUTUAL AID. 
          TRUSTEE FERGUSON, IF YOU'LL GET THE MICROPHONE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO JUST GRAB IT OUT. USUALLY I HAVE A PRETTY LOUD VOICE, SO YOU'D BE SURPRISED ON THAT ONE. IF YOU TURN AWAY FROM IT, WE CAN 
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LOSE THE ABILITY TO. RIGHT. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IN TERMS OF OUR TOTAL FIRE EXPENDITURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING. EXCUSE ME, I GOTTA PUT MY GLASSES ON FOR THIS ONE. MIKE. 
          DIRK KNOWS HOW, I HAVE TO DO THIS. SO YOU GUYS DO. I HAVE MY OWN. OKAY, SO, OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES FOR THE. ITS APPROXIMATE ONLY 10.9 IS THE INCOME WE'RE LOOKING AT OR. 
          EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A THIS IS WITH A WRONG SPREADSHEET. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 9.9, RIGHT IN THAT AREA. 9.9. THAT'S FOR 24. YEAH. FOR INCOME. YEAH. WELL THAT'S REVENUE. OUR CARRYOVER IS SIGNIFICANTLY STARTING TO ERODE BECAUSE OF OUR EXPENDITURES. AND ONE THING ABOUT MUTUAL AID I WANT TO ANSWER TOO IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT I'VE BEEN ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT TOO. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN BENEFITS TO SO WE HAVE ONE LADDER TRUCK. AND THAT LADDER TRUCK GOES DOWN. IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND REPAIRS AREN'T DONE IN 24 HOURS. THEY CAN TAKE WEEKS. SO WHEN WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU HAVE TO BORROW A LADDER TRUCK. AND SO COLUMBUS IS ONE OF OUR PARTNERS. AND SO THEY DO LEND US EQUIPMENT FOR THAT. SO THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY COLUMBUS IS BUILDING A FIRE STATION OVER OFF OF HARLAN. THAT SHOULD TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF THE MUTUAL AID RUNS. BUT AS THE OTHER TRUSTEES POINTED OUT, THE GROWTH IS PRODIGIOUS. SO IN TERMS OF RUNS, YOU'RE KIND OF ASKING ABOUT HOW MANY TYPES OF RUNS WE MAKE, WE HAVE THE STATS TO GIVE YOU ON THAT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE COMMERCIAL WE GO TO ABERCROMBIE, YOU HAVE FIRE ALARMS, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE HEART ATTACKS. YOU HAVE ALL TYPES OF FIRST AID TYPES OF RUNS. WE DO IT AT AEP. ALL THESE COMPANIES, ALL THESE CIVIC EVENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THERE'S CONSTANT, NURSING HOMES. THAT'S REALLY A BIG DRIVER OF A LOT OF OUR PARAMEDIC RUNS AS WELL TOO. SO WE CAN SHARE THAT TYPE OF SEGMENTED DATA. BUT THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF RUNS, BUT RESIDENTIAL IS THE PRIMARY NO QUESTION. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE IN TERMS OF THE EMS AND THE FIRE, LIKE WHERE THOSE HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN IN TERMS OF THOSE EXPENSES, IF YOU DO HAVE IT. YEAH, YEAH. DID YOU HAVE THE EXPENDITURES PREDICTION LIKE WHAT YOU THINK IN THIS YEAR THE EXPENDITURES MIGHT BE FOR 24. 
          YOU SAID 9.9 ON REVENUE. YEAH. JUST I MEAN THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THAT. 
          THE BIG ISSUE IS THAT I MEAN WE'RE TRYING TO DEFER A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT PURCHASES. WE HAVE A FIRE TRUCK THAT'S ON ORDER. IT'LL BE HERE NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE, LOTS OF RENOVATIONS STILL THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN THE FIREHOUSE. WE HAVE THE SAME BATHROOMS FOR 26 YEARS. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT'S LIKE. IF YOU HAVE A HOME WITH THE SAME BATHROOMS, YOU HAVE FIREMEN USING IT EVERY DAY, SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. AND, I CAN ASSURE YOU, YOU KNOW, WE TALK PRETTY HARD ABOUT OUR FINANCES AND OUR NUMBERS, AND I'M JUST AMAZED AT THE COST OF THINGS. SO IT IS A CHALLENGE. I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE THE SAME THINGS, TOO, AND I'VE BEEN VERY CRITICAL TO TRY TO MANAGE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FOR A LEVY. AND, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS AND ALL OF US WERE WORKING TOGETHER. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF EDUCATE AND ASK THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS AND HAVE REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO OUT OF CURIOSITY, IF YOU ORDER A FIRE TRUCK NOW AND THERE'S A FOUR YEAR LEAD TIME, I DON'T KNOW, IN THE INDUSTRY, WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACT, HOW YOU HOW YOU STRUCTURE IT. BUT USUALLY YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT UNTIL YOU GET IT. SO, THEN, I MEAN, I TALKED TO TRAVIS THE OTHER DAY, AND IT'S JUST AMAZING. IT'S ALL THE MANUFACTURERS. SO YOU YOU CAN ORDER ONE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME TYPE OF DEPOSIT, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN THE CONTRACT TERMS, BUT, YEAH . AND I JUST I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR MUTUAL AID. THAT'S THE WORD OF THE NIGHT. AND I AGREE IT'S BUT IT'S GENERALLY POSITIVE. YEAH, BUT NO, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION, FOR CHIEF. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HALF THE RUNS OR MUTUAL AID, DO WE HAVE OR DO YOU HAVE, LIKE A HEAT MAP OF WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THESE MUTUAL AID RUNS ARE? AND I'M GOING TO SEGUE KIND OF DAVE TOUCHED ON IT. YOU KNOW, THE NEW STATION AT HARLEM THAT'S GOING TO BE ONLINE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU KNOW, CAN WE ANTICIPATE HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THOSE RUNS WHEN THAT THAT STATION DOES COME ONLINE? WHEN WE COMPLETED THE STRATEGIC PLAN LAST YEAR, WE DO HAVE THIS HEAT MAPS AS PART OF THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED IN ORDER TO SELECT WHERE WE NEEDED A FIRE STATION LOCATION TO BETTER SERVE OUR COMMUNITY SO WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THOSE HEAT MAPS, AS FAR AS THE GROWTH IN NEW ALBANY AND THE FIRE STATION THAT WILL BE BUILT, CENTRAL COLLEGE IN HARLEM, STATION 36 FOR COLUMBUS, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A DROP MUCH OF A DROP IN CALL VOLUME JUST BECAUSE THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IN THAT AREA IS GROWING AS WELL. 
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AND THAT FIRE THAT FIREHOUSE WOULD BE BUSY TAKING THEIR OWN RUNS. AND WE'LL BE COVERING THEIR SECOND RUNS. SO WE ANTICIPATE WITH THE GROWTH IN THE INCREASED CALL VOLUME IN OUR OWN AREA, WILL STILL BE COVERING THAT COLUMBUS FIRE STATION. SO, BUT WE DO HAVE THE HEAT MAPS FOR YOU AND ANY INFORMATION I CAN PROVIDE YOU TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. 
          I'D LOVE TO PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU, ONE THING I WANT TO ADDRESS REAL QUICK, QUICKLY WAS THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WHAT? WE DIDN'T REALLY MENTION WAS THE GROWTH OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE TO WORK THERE, AND THAT WE KNOW OUR DAYTIME POPULATION DOUBLES, AND SO AS WE BUILD MORE BUSINESSES IN TOWN, THERE IS MORE POPULATION, MORE POPULATION EQUALS MORE CALL VOLUME FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THE COMMERCIAL, EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING MAY NOT BE GETTING A DAILY RUN TO IT, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THAT COME HERE TO WORK THERE CAN GENERATE THOSE CALL VOLUMES, I THINK. I THINK A BREAKDOWN AS, COUNCIL MEMBER, REQUESTED A BREAKDOWN OF THE COMMERCIAL RUNS WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. ESPECIALLY IF YOU COULD SEE IN A HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND WHAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE FOR THE FUTURE. JUST ONE MORE THING I WANT TO MENTION BEFORE I STEP DOWN HERE IS THE MUTUAL AID, CARRIE, I DON'T THINK MAYBE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT EXACTLY. WELL, THE MODEL FOR FIRE PROTECTION IN CENTRAL OHIO IS WITH MUTUAL AID. THERE IS NO FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT EXISTS IN CENTRAL OHIO THAT DOESN'T HAVE MUTUAL AID RESPONSE TO AND FROM. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST THE MODEL OF PROVIDING FIRE AND EMS. AND I KNOW SOMETIMES, THE, THE IN THE POLICE WORLD, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT, BUT IN THE FIRE WORLD, IT'S VERY COMMON FOR EACH DAY TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY AND SOME OTHER COMMUNITY HELPING YOU. SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST A MODEL THAT WE HAVE . AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT A STANDALONE PERSON DOING THAT. 
          YEAH SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN HELP YOU WITH? I DO I HAVE ONE NOT FOR YOU, CHIEF. OKAY LET'S GIVE YOU A CHANCE DOWN. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PRESENTED IN TERMS OF REVENUE OF 8.7 AND 9.8, IN TERMS OF EXPENSES LAST YEAR, AND CLEARLY, EVEN WITH THE ABATEMENTS THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT, MIGHT BE $600,000, YOU'RE STILL WELL BELOW WHAT THE EXPENDITURES ARE. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND PRIOR TO LAST YEAR, HOW DID REVENUE AND SPENT REVENUE VERSUS SPENDING LOOK, THAT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE THIS SIGNIFICANT SHORTFALL AS A BIT OF A SURPRISE TO US. AND WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT. THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN YOU WANT TO HELP ANSWER THIS? THERE. SO PROBABLY HAVE OUR TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR JOINED US AS WELL. SURE. YOU KNOW, THE COST OF LIVING WAGES, EMPLOYMENT, WE ADDED AN EMS COORDINATOR. WE'VE ADDED STAFF. SO THAT'S FIRST FOREMOST. ALSO, THE ADDITION OF EQUIPMENT, OUR AGING EQUIPMENT NEEDS A LOT OF REPAIRS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EQUIPMENT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND THEN JUST ALSO PREPARING FOR GROWTH. RIGHT BUT OVER TIME IT'S ERODED A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND. SO AS WE PROJECT OUT ALL OF THESE COSTS, IT IS TO DO BUSINESS AND RUN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT GENERAL FUND ERODE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE NEED IS GOING TO BE AS WE PROJECT OUT. SO THE 8.7 IS REVENUE JUST FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IS THAT RIGHT? JUST FOR FIRE AND EMS. SO DO YOU RUN A SIMILAR DEFICIT ACROSS OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE TOWNSHIP? NO, NO. THERE'S ROAD MAINTENANCE FUNDS AND I CAN HAVE BEN CAN COME UP HERE AND ANSWER SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOWNSHIP AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GRASP THE CONTEXT, THE SITUATION TODAY IS IT'S EXHIBITED ITSELF. WHEN DID IT BEGIN TO BECOME MORE APPARENT THAT IT'S NEW TO US NOW? WELL WE OKAY. SURE. AND COLLINS, PLAIN TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR, 45 SECOND STREET, MISTER DEREK. SO THIS IS, THE RESULT OF PROPERTY TAX LAW IN OHIO. SO THIS IS THE SAME SCENARIO WE FACED IN 2014 AND 2007, WHEN A PROPERTY TAX LEVY IS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, IT GENERATES AN EXCESS OF REVENUE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THERE'S A TIPPING POINT, AT WHICH POINT EXPENSES EXCEED THE REVENUE FOR A PERIOD OF YEARS. THEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, WHERE YOU NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THAT'S THE NATURE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDED BY PROPERTY TAXES. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT, FUNDED BY INCOME TAXES, BUT IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE EXPERIENCED IN 2014 AND 2007. AND TO GIVE YOU A LOOK BACK, WHEN THE 2008 LEVY WAS APPROVED, THE AMOUNT COLLECTED IN 2009 WAS FLAT THROUGH 2015, NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THIS LEVY IS PERFORMED A LITTLE BIT BETTER , ABOUT 17% UP OVER THOSE NINE 
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YEARS, BUT THAT'S STILL LESS THAN 2% A YEAR AND CONTINUED, YOU KNOW, GROWTH AND INCOME. OUR EXPENSES HAVE INCREASED BY MORE THAN 3% A YEAR, JUST AS THE CITIES HAVE. WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL STAFF, INCLUDING TWO FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS, WE REINTRODUCED THE ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF POSITION, WHICH WE THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE ADDED AN EMS COORDINATOR, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS AND OUR CORPORATIONS, WE HAVE, MADE A COMMERCIAL FIRE INSPECTOR POSITION FULL TIME. WE HAVE INVESTED IN OUR BIOMEDICAL LIFE SAFETY EQUIPMENT. SO IF YOU HAVE A LIFE THREATENING EVENT, THE EQUIPMENT THAT SAVES YOUR LIFE, WE'VE INVESTED IN. WE REPLACED THAT. IT'S 170,000 A YEAR OVER A TEN YEAR TERM. WHEN CHIEF CONNOR JOINED THE TOWNSHIP, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR THAT EQUIPMENT. THAT WAS A PRIORITY FOR HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REPLACED IT AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE TOP OF THE LINE EQUIPMENT FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS WE'VE MADE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, AND WE'VE REACHED A TIPPING POINT WHERE EXPENSES EXCEED REVENUE, AND WE'VE COME TO THE CITY FOR ASSISTANCE TO SOLVE THAT. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, THE SCHOOLS, AS WELL, OUR MUTUAL AID PARTNERS, YOU KNOW, THE ADJUSTMENT TO OUR MUTUAL AID TO ENSURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE A MEDIC AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR EMPLOYEES, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE NEW RESIDENTS COMING. IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE SCHOOL'S HOUSING PROJECTIONS, WE PREDICT OUR RUN VOLUMES ARE GOING TO INCREASE 10% IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS, 50% OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. BASED ON THE SCHOOL'S PROJECTIONS. AND THAT'S JUST RESIDENTIAL, NOT INCLUDING NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, NEW TRANSIT TRAFFIC, NEW VISITORS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACING ARE YOU IN ANY WAY ABLE TO I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN THE SCHOOLS ARE LOOKING AT NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO A STUDY AND GO, OKAY, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GOING TO END UP NET POSITIVE BASED ON THE TAXES THAT WE'LL GET VERSUS THE PREDICTION OF STUDENTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH, YOU'LL HAVE MORE TAXES, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE MORE RESIDENTS. YES. IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW IF THAT HELPS OR HURTS MORE OR HOW THAT MATH WORKS? THE MATH IS NEVER FAVORABLE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, FUNDED BY PROPERTY TAXES. THERE'S A SMALL INCREMENTAL INCREASE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUATION, BUT THEN IT LEVELS OFF. SO AGAIN, FROM 2007 TO 2014, WE RECEIVED NO NEW REVENUE. DO YOU REMEMBER HOUSES BEING BUILT IN 2007 TO 2014? WE SAW A LOT OF GROWTH. THE VILLAGE BECAME A CITY. WE GOT NO NEW TAXES. SO BACK TO YOUR POINT. WE CAN PROJECT THAT WE HAVE 0.113 CALLS PER CAPITA IN NEW ALBANY PROPER, NOT MUTUAL AID, WE CAN PROJECT THAT WITH EVERY NEW UNIT. ACCORDING TO CENSUS DATA IN NEW ALBANY, WE HAVE 3.19 RESIDENTS. WE KNOW THAT FOR OUR SENIOR LIVING, THE RUN VOLUME IS DEMAND FOR RUNS IS TWICE ITS 0.2, TWICE YOUR AVERAGE RESIDENT . WITH ALL THE NEW SENIOR BASED HOUSING, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A DEMAND FOR SERVICES. YOU ADD IN ALL THE NURSING HOMES, THEY REQUIRE AN EXCEPTIONAL LEVEL OF EMERGENCY SERVICES. WE'VE SEEN OUR RUN VOLUME TRIPLE IN THE PAST, SINCE 2020 ON NURSING HOMES. WELL, HOW MANY NURSING HOMES ARE IN NEW ALBANY PROPER? THERE ARE, I GUESS ONLY TWO. PLUS, WE HAVE SOME AGE BASED FACILITIES. WE HAVE THE OTTERBEIN OVER ON HARLEM, JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ONE ON HAMILTON ROAD JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. ANOTHER ONE ON MORSE ROAD, JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. AND THE EMS RUNS THAT HAVE TRIPLED SINCE 2020 ARE THOSE FOR NURSING HOMES. FOR NURSING HOMES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH IF YOU GO AND YOU DON'T END UP TRANSPORTING THEM, I DON'T. IT'S GOING TO SOUND LIKE I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE WHAT THAT IS, BUT DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF IS THERE A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THAT IF WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GOING OVER TO A NURSING HOME THAT'S A MILE FROM THE LOCATION AND, AND THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ALREADY ON SHIFT FOR THAT DAY ARE THERE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A HALF HOUR, AN HOUR AND BACK. IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT COST IN YOUR IN THAT 10 MILLION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? IS THAT ADD UP TO A LOT OF THAT? I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE COST NECESSARILY, BUT THE CONSUMPTION OF EMERGENCY SERVICES. SO WHEN THE NEW CENTER WAS BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WE WERE THERE TWICE A WEEK BECAUSE WE WERE UNDERSTAFFED. OKAY. THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE FACE. OKAY. SO 
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SOMEBODY ELSE. JILL, DID YOU WANT TO FINISH YOUR SLIDE DECK? YEAH, I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS. 
          THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO LAST IN THE PRESENTATION OF THREE. WE GOT THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS ALREADY. SO I'LL BE QUICK. SO RIGHT HERE WE TALK ABOUT THE RUN GROWTH. WE'RE GROWING ANNUALLY AT 4.47 I THINK THIS NEXT GRAPHIC REALLY GIVES YOU KIND OF WHERE OUR RUNS ARE GOING. SO WE'VE BROKEN DOWN THE TOWNSHIP IN SEGMENTS. YOU'LL SEE A, B, C, D AND E ALL THROUGH. 
          BUT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BOLD, THOSE ARE TEN SEGMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN OUR, OUR TOWNSHIP. THAT TAKES US OVER SEVEN MINUTES TO GET TO A RESPONSE. IDEALLY IN THE FIRE SERVICE WOULD LIKE TO BE UNDER SEVEN MINUTES FROM A TIME THAT A CALL COMES IN. WHAT'S RECEIVED IN DISPATCH. THEY TURN OUT TIME AND TIME THEY GET. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHER TIMES IS WE HAVE TRAFFIC. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO TAKE DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. 161 IS TOO BUSY. WE HAVE TO TAKE SIDE ROADS PULLING OVER, GETTING CARS TO MOVE. SO WITHIN THAT YOU CAN SEE THE RUNS. YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PLAIN TOWNSHIP. YOU CAN SEE THE EXTRA TIME THAT IT TAKES. SO AS WE PLAN FOR GROWTH IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDING ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS. WHAT'S THAT GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO GET TO. BECAUSE OUR WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SAVING LIVES, WE NEED TO GET THERE QUICK TO SAVE A LIFE. SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AS OUR FORECASTING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT, AND REVIEW THIS ALONG WITH OUR DAILY RUNS EVERY MONTH. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT SLIDE, I THINK, FOR EVERYONE TO VIEW, ALIGNMENT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY GREAT, PRESENTATION FOR US TO COME HERE AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS. SO WE VALUE YOUR COMMITMENT, YOUR PARTNERSHIP, ALONG WITH OTHER COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER AND PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY AND SAVING LIVES. SO THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BEFORE I FINISH JUST ONE POINT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS HAD SOME SUCCESS OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO WITH SOME COMMERCIAL GROWTH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL REMIND US THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT A LOT OF THAT COMMERCIAL GROWTH WASN'T IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT'S ALSO TRUE, THAT A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL GROWTH IS OUTSIDE OF PLAIN TOWNSHIP AS WELL. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE AT HOME WATCHING THIS MEETING TO BE CONFUSED, THAT PLAIN TOWNSHIP ACTUALLY DOESN'T SERVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CAMPUS. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A MONROE TOWNSHIP SUBSTATION ON BEACH ROAD. 
          THERE'S A SOUTHWEST LICKING FIRE DEPARTMENT SUBSTATION ON MORRIS AND, SOUTH ON MORRIS, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BEACH. SO THERE ARE OTHER FIRE SERVICES, FROM THOSE OTHER TOWNSHIPS PROVIDING SERVICE TO SOME DEGREE, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, SO WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL ABATEMENTS, AGAIN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS OUTSIDE THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PLANS OR EVEN LAND AVAILABLE FOR SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL GROWTH WITHIN PLAIN TOWNSHIP. I MEAN, THERE IS SOME LAND AVAILABLE. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE SOMEONE KNOWS SOMETHING I DON'T. I'M LOOKING AT JENNIFER CHRYSLER, WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE SOME HOPEFULLY SOME RETAIL GROWTH, WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER AND AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I WOULD CATEGORIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN COMMERCIAL, SO JUST A COUPLE OF THOSE QUICK POINTS TO MAKE. BUT I MEAN, I FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TIME TO COME HERE TONIGHT AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS, IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS APPRECIATE AT HOME HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO GET TOGETHER IN A ROOM LIKE THIS AND HAVE THESE LEVELS OF CONVERSATIONS, THE, THE LAWS IN PLACE FOR A GOOD REASON, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR ACTIVITIES ARE DONE IN A PUBLIC SETTING, SO SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FOR US TO HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, FRANK AND OPEN CONVERSATIONS. SO WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO COME HERE TONIGHT TO DO THAT WITH US, AND OTHERWISE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF CONVERSATION, BUT I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE LONG HISTORY OF COOPERATION THAT THE VILLAGE NOW, THE NOW THE CITY, THE TOWNSHIP AND THE SCHOOLS HAVE HAD FROM DAY ONE, WE'VE BEEN VERY COLLABORATIVE AND WORKING TOGETHER TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS THANKFUL FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE OF OUR PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND CHIEF CONNOR AND HIS ENTIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE SUPER VALUED BY OUR COMMUNITY AND SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR ALL THAT THEY DO, I KNOW WE'RE ALL HOPEFUL THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL FOR SERVICE, BUT REGRETTABLY, MY FAMILY HAS IN THE PAST. AND, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE PROMPTLY AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIGHLY TRAINED AND PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE'RE EXTREMELY THANKFUL FOR. SO, AGAIN, IT'S A IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT JOB. AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO, I KIND OF REFLECT BACK ON THAT, LIKE WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. I MEAN, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH GREAT PUBLIC SERVANTS DOING THEIR DUTY 
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EVERY DAY TO HELP SERVE AND PROTECT, BUT WE ALL KNOW SITTING UP HERE AND I KNOW THE TRUSTEES ARE AWARE OF THIS, TOO. AND, THE FISCAL OFFICER AND TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR, BUT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THE FINANCES. AND, THAT'S SOMETIMES IS TOUGH, YOU HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WANTS TO BE THE VERY BEST, THAT WANTS TO DO THEIR VERY EVERY DAY TO GO OUT THERE AND DO WHAT THEY CAN TO HELP MEET THEIR MISSION, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A HARD BALANCE TO TAKE WHEN YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, A TOWNSHIP THAT HASN'T HAD A LEVY AND INCREASED TAXES FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, KNOWING AT SOME POINT THAT THOSE REVENUES ARE GOING TO DRY UP AND THEN HAVING TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ON WHAT NEW EQUIPMENT YOU'RE GOING TO BUY, WHAT SERVICES YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND, TO MEET COMMUNITY NEEDS. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, REVENUES DECREASING. SO, YOU KNOW, I WE DO THAT EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE A FAIRLY ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING VERY CAREFULLY AT OUR FINANCES, WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BROADER REVENUE SOURCE THAN THE TOWNSHIP. THAT'S THAT'S FOR SURE , WE ALSO HAVE SOME HIGHER EXPENSES. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AS PART OF IT AS WELL, BUT WE GO THROUGH AN EXERCISE EVERY YEAR. WE CALL OUR CAPITAL RETREAT, WHERE WE TRY TO EVALUATE WHAT SERVICES OR, PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE ON TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND THE LIST OF WANTS IS ALWAYS A LOT LONGER THAN THE LIST OF WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, SO AGAIN, THOSE I JUST WANT THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US WOULD LIKE TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. BUT WE'RE LIMITED AND CONSTRAINED IN SOME PART BY OUR RESOURCES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HAVING TO RAISE REVENUE, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS. SO WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD ADD SORT OF CLOSE WITH, AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENT, YOU KNOW, AND IN A TOUGH ENVIRONMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU CAN'T CONTROL YOUR REVENUE SOURCES, SOME OF THE RESOURCES YOU RECEIVE FROM THE STATE ARE LIMITED IN THEIR EXPENDITURE PURPOSES. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T USE ROAD MONEY FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, THE CONSTITUTION STANDS IN THE WAY OF USE OF GAS TAX. ALL THOSE COMPLICATIONS, SOMETIMES MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC DON'T FULLY APPRECIATE, BUT HAVE YOU HAVE THERE HAS THERE BEEN AN EFFORT TO LOWER COSTS, AS YOU SAW THIS SORT OF FISCAL CLIFF COMING? AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SELLING ASSETS TO HELP GENERATE REVENUE? AGAIN, APPRECIATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY TO HELP SORT OF BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT YEAR? WELL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF ASSETS TO SELL, PARTICULARLY. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE STATION AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ADJACENT PIECE OF PARCEL THERE TOO, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ASSETS TO SELL. BUT I THINK WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT DEFERRING COSTS, MANAGING COSTS. 
          BUT THE COSTS I THINK CHIEF SAID IT'S AN EXPENSIVE TO RUN A FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF COSTS TO DO WHAT THEY DO TO SAVE LIVES. TRAINING, EQUIPMENT, THE STAFF AND ALL OF THE, SERVICES WE PROVIDE COST MONEY, AND IT'S NOT A REVENUE INCOMING PRODUCING BUSINESS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH. SO I DON'T THINK THAT BUSINESS MODEL IS GOING TO CHANGE FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, FOR FIRE DEPARTMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE REALLY BEEN FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NINE YEARS, FORTUNATE TO NOT HAVE A LEVY FOR NINE YEARS. SO I THINK THE RESPONSIBILITY HAS BEEN THERE. BUT AS YOU SEE WITH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT, TECHNOLOGY, ALL OF THOSE LIFE SAVING TOOLS ARE CRITICAL FOR US TO OFFER THE BEST SERVICE WITH THE BEST FIREFIGHTERS. AND THE TRAINING THAT THEY DO IS EXCEPTIONAL BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTS BIGGEST NEED. THEY THEY KNOW THE FIRE DEPART IS GOING TO BE THERE. AND THAT'S JUST IT'S EXPENSIVE. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING TOO IS WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR EQUIPMENT AND WHEN OUR EQUIPMENT GOES DOWN, IT'S EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE AND FOR REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE AND THEN APPRECIATING. WE'VE BEEN HAVING, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC PLANNING, WITH THE SCHOOLS, WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS TO LOOK AT THE LONG RANGE, GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY, KNOWING THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS DEMANDING. I MEAN, WE AS A CITY DON'T REALLY DECIDE THAT IF WE STAY THE SAME SIZE WE ARE TODAY, THAT MIGHT BE FINE. BUT THE MARKET IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON RESIDENTIAL GROWTH. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH A PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS TO TRY TO PROJECT WHAT THAT GROWTH WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, HAVE TARGETED THIS FALL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO GO ON THE BALLOT FOR A LEVY, AND IT'S JUST, I THINK WE'RE ALL HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO LESSEN, THE REQUEST FOR TAXES TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S SEQUENCED IN SOME CERTAIN WAY, APPRECIATING THAT EVERYONE, AGAIN, WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THE TOWNSHIP NECESSARILY, OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE A GOOD PARTNERS AND MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY FEELS THAT, THEY'RE BEING INFORMED ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE. SO, HAS IS THE TOWNSHIP. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE 
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TIMELINES. IF THE TOWNSHIP IS CONSIDERING GOING ON THE FOR A LEVY, I GUESS THEY COULD DO IT AT A SPECIAL ELECTION OR EVEN IN NOVEMBER OR WAIT TILL NEXT CALENDAR YEAR ON TWO OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE TIMING? JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THE SEQUENCING, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION HERE ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE TO. SURE. KERRY WANTS TO JOIN ME FOR THIS. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. THAT TIMING QUESTION IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEBATING FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. OKAY. AND SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER REVENUE OPTIONS. WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS. WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSING. WHAT OTHER REVENUE CAN WE BRING IN, WHAT OTHER EXPENSES CAN WE CUT OR DEFRAY. CAN WE PIVOT AND GET THROUGH ANOTHER YEAR WITHOUT A WITHOUT A LEVY? WE THAT IS EXACTLY THE QUESTION WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS. AND WHAT CONTINUES TO COME BACK TO US IS NO, THE GAP FOR 2026 IS TOO LARGE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO COVER THAT WITHOUT A LEVY. SO 20, 25 TAX YEARS COVERED. WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A SIZABLE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR 26. THAT HAS TO COME IN IN A LEVY. SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, WELL HOW BIG OF A LEVY? HOW MUCH OF AN ASK? WE KNOW THE SCHOOLS ARE CONSIDERING ONE FOR THE FALL. TWO, WE EVEN HAD CONVERSATIONS OF DO WE WAIT TILL THE SPRING AND THAT WOULD WOULD THAT STILL IMPACT OUR 26 TAX YEAR? CAN WE STAGGER WHAT THE SCHOOLS WAITING TO THE SPRING DOES NOT HELP US. NUMBER ONE, THIS FALL IS A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. VOTER TURNOUT IS EXPECTED TO BE VERY HIGH TO TOWNSHIP LEVIES. FIRE DEPARTMENT LEVIES DO VERY WELL IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. NUMBER ONE, IF WE DELAY UNTIL THE SPRING, WE STILL WON'T COLLECT NEXT YEAR. THE COLLECTION ONLY HAPPENS ONCE, SO A VOTE OF SPRING MEANS WE WON'T COLLECT UNTIL JANUARY 26TH, WHICH MEANS OUR 26 TAX BUDGET WON'T BE BALANCED. SO WE HAVE TO GO THIS FALL. BUT WE'VE WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, MR. MAYOR. NONE OF US WANT TO HAVE ANY APPEARANCE OF A COMPETITION WITH THE SCHOOLS AS WE ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU. WE ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOLS. BUT THE REALITY OF THE RE FORECASTING OF THE BUDGET, THE REALITY OF THE INCREASED COSTS AND THINGS LIKE FIRE ENGINES AND NOW IT TAKES FOUR YEARS INSTEAD OF TWO YEARS FOR A FIRE ENGINE, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLACE AN ORDER FOR A NEW ONE TO GET 1 IN 4 YEARS. JUST THE REALITY OF ALL OF THE COMPOUNDING FACTORS WE HAVE TO GO THIS FALL. NOW, WE HAVE NOT VOTED FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S THE TIMING. YEAH. I'M SORRY. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION IS WHEN DOES THAT WHEN ARE THE TRUSTEES REQUIRED TO PUT THE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT? JULY 10TH. WE HAVE TO VOTE, OKAY. BECAUSE THE LEGAL COUNSEL HAS TO DO ALL THE WORK TO VERIFY AND GET THIS ON THE BALLOT TO BE CERTIFIED BY AUGUST 7TH FOR THE NOVEMBER. SO SO AS A BOARD OF TRUSTEES, WE WILL BE VOTING AT OUR JULY 10TH MEETING, BUT PLEASE KNOW, THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHAT OTHER ADDITIONAL REVENUE, WHAT OTHER CUTS, WHAT OTHER DELAYS CAN WE CAN WE COME UP WITH A WAY TO DELAY GOING TO THE VOTERS ANOTHER YEAR AND THE ANSWER HAS COME BACK. NO. BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT ANALYSIS. SO THEN THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER YET AS A BOARD. OKAY SO IF YOU STEP BACK ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU'RE ASKED AND WE WERE WE ADDRESSED THE TIFFS AND, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE RECONCILING THINGS WITH THE CITY AND GOING BACK AND STEPPING THROUGH. I DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD TONIGHT. RIGHT, BUT THERE COULD BE DISCUSSIONS AFTER THE MEETING, NOW THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY AS TO WHERE THE TOWNSHIP STANDS, I THINK THIS IS ON THE TIP IS IMPORTANT FOR US. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BUT DOES THAT GET US TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DEFER? NO I GET THAT THE ROUGHLY $900,000 FOR THE ONE TIME PAYMENT ON THE TIFF IS GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL IN HELPING US BALANCE OUR 25 TAX BUDGET. I THOUGHT WE WERE COVERED FOR 25 WITH THIS, WITH THIS ASSUMPTION THAT THIS IS COMING RIGHT, AND BUT IT HASN'T BEEN VOTED ON. AND THEN THERE'S THIS CARRY FORWARD BALANCE FOR 26. SO WITHOUT US CARRY OVER OUR CARRYOVER IF 
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YOU'LL COME BACK IT'S FOR THE RECORDING AND ALSO FOR THE STREAM SPEAK. SORRY THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE THESE NUMBERS EVEN BETTER THAN I DO. OUR CARRY OVER WILL GET US THROUGH 2526. WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO CERTAIN DEFICIT SPENDING REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE. AS FAR AS THE TIFF REVENUE. YEAH, I THINK THE TIFF WITH THE RETROACTIVE AMOUNTS IS $900,000. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY CLOSE. BUT YES, I THINK WE'LL STILL HAVE A DEFICIT. I MEAN, YOU YOU MIGHT HAVE THE NUMBERS ON THAT. SORRY. SEE THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS THEIR 25 TAX BUDGET ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. YEAH WE'VE REVIEWED OUR 25 TAX BUDGET. WE ARE FINE. WE'RE FULLY FUNDED THROUGH 25. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING HERE TONIGHT, WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE COUNCIL, IS THAT COUNCIL WOULD ACTUALLY JUST APPROVE WHAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR 24 OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IDENTIFIES ALL BUT THE VILLAGE CENTER TIFF AS NON-FIRE TIPS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. IT ALREADY SAYS THAT THAT COMMERCIAL TIFF REVENUE WILL BE SHARED WITH PLAIN TOWNSHIP FOR FIRE SERVICE. WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO CONFIRM THAT IN WRITING. 
          IS THAT THE IS THAT A $600,000 NUMBER FIVE FIVE AND CHANGE ABOUT 550? YEP. OKAY. I'M SORRY. 
          ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, FROM COUNCIL TO OUR COLLEAGUES AT THE TOWNSHIP, I THINK I WANT TO JUST REITERATE WHAT OUR MAYOR SAID, WHICH IS THAT I HAD THE MOST TREMENDOUS RESPECT AND APPRECIATION FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE SERVICE I PERSONALLY HAVE RECEIVED. AND I KNOW MANY HAVE RECEIVED. AND I'M GRATEFUL TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR RUNNING IT SO INCREDIBLY WELL AND HAVING SUCH A FABULOUS SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND PLEASE KNOW THAT OUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ARE MUCH MORE ABOUT ALL OF US FACING INFLATION AND ALL OF US FACING A WHOLE LOT OF PRESSURE ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH AS STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER MONEY. ALWAYS. RIGHT. 
          AND, I CERTAINLY WANT US TO SUPPORT AND DO THE BEST WE CAN TO BE HELPFUL WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS. AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING SERVICES TO RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO TO NURSING HOMES. MY FATHER IN LAW IS AT SMITH'S MILL AND HE HAS RECEIVED SERVICES. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BEST PARTS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE ABOUT NEW ALBANY IS HOW SAFE THEY FEEL. AND I KNOW THAT THAT IS IN LARGE PART DUE TO YOUR EFFORTS, AND THERE'S FAR TOO MANY LAWYERS ON THIS BOARD FOR YOU NOT TO GET CALLED WITH QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING SO WELL PREPARED AND WELL SPOKEN, AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. AND I USUALLY SAY THIS DURING HEARING VISITORS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE ONE TOPIC THAT, THAT HAS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTEREST. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REST OF OUR MEETING, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO. BUT I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. IS LEFT OF A SWELTERING EVENING, AND WE WOULD TAKE NO OFFENSE IF YOU DECIDED TO GO, WITH THAT, WE'LL SHIFT THE CONVERSATION TO OUR UPDATE ON THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. DIRECTOR JOLLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO STAND UP HERE BECAUSE I HAVE SOME VISITORS TO INTRODUCE. TONIGHT WITH ME. I HAVE JEFF PAGONIS AND MATT KELLOGG FOR MXQ, AND ALSO TOM RUBY FROM THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, THIS GROUP AND THIS, TEAM HAS WORKED TOGETHER FOR MANY YEARS ON THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AND THE, ROSE RUN PARK, REALLY GOING BACK TO 2009, THE CITY HAS HAD A GOAL OF RELOCATING, AND REBUILDING THE VETERANS VETS MEMORIAL THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON MAIN STREET. AND TO FURTHER THOSE EFFORTS IN 2020, WE CONVENED A FOCUS GROUP OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALSO VETERANS TO ADVISE THE CITY ON WHAT TYPE OF SPACE AND WHAT TYPE OF MEMORIAL THEY THINK WOULD BE BEST TO HONOR THE COMMUNITY'S VETERANS. AND DURING THAT PLANNING PROCESS, THEY REALLY WANTED TO CREATE A SPACE THAT WAS, REFLECTIVE AND PEACEFUL SET IN A NATURAL SETTING, AND REALLY CREATE MORE OF AN EXPERIENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY. INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON MAYBE AN OBJECT WITH A BUNCH OF NAMES ON IT. SO THE LOCATION BEHIND VILLAGE HALL AND WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE CIVIC BLOCK, BETWEEN DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD, VILLAGE HALL ROAD, MAIN STREET AND RNA WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE BEST LOCATION TO ACHIEVE THAT VISION OF THE VETERANS FOCUS GROUP, SO COLLABORATIVELY, WITH THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, IN 
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MXQ, WE STARTED WORKING ON A DESIGN FOR THAT FOR THAT VETERANS MEMORIAL, THE, THE LAND WITHIN THE CIVIC BLOCK IS OWNED BOTH BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, BUT ALSO BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. SO WE STARTED THAT DESIGN EFFORT. WE DID TAKE A TIME OUT LAST FALL TO ALLOW FOR SOME MORE COMPREHENSIVE, VILLAGE CENTER PLANNING TO OCCUR. AND DURING THAT TIME OUT, JEFF AND MATT AND THE CITY TOOK AN OPPORTUNITY, I FORGOT I HAD A CLICKER TO LOOK AT, MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL SITES, AS ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR VETERANS MEMORIAL. SO WE LOOKED AT FIVE SITES IN ADDITION TO THE SITE BEHIND VILLAGE HALL. WE REALLY WERE LOOKING AT IT EACH SITE FOR ITS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE IF EACH SITE COULD CHECK THE BOX AND ACHIEVE THE VISION THAT THE VETERANS FOCUS GROUP HAD FOR THIS VETERANS MEMORIAL, SO AT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT EXPERIENCE AGAIN WAS MORE REFLECTIVE AND PEACEFUL, CREATING A PLACE INSTEAD OF JUST A MONUMENT TO GO TO. SO THESE ARE SOME OF, THE IMAGES FROM THE DESIGN OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL THAT COULD OCCUR BEHIND VILLAGE PARK, BEHIND VILLAGE HALL. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT THE END OF ALL THAT ANALYSIS, STAFF AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT THE BEST LOCATION FOR A VETERANS MEMORIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE BEHIND VILLAGE HALL. AND REALLY, IN THE SETTING OF AN EXTENSION OF ROSE RUN PARK, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WITH FOUNDERS FIELD THERE, WITH THE STREAM, IT'S VERY NATURAL, IT'S VERY PEACEFUL, AND WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT, EXPERIENCE THAT THE FOCUS GROUP WANTED. BUT THEN ALSO, IF YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK OF THE BIGGER PICTURE OF ROSE RUN PARK AS THIS BEAUTIFUL LINEAR PARK THAT EVENTUALLY OR HOPEFULLY RUNS FROM TAYLOR FARM PARK ALL THE WAY TO BEHIND THE FIRE STATION, WITH A SERIES OF AMENITIES AND NODES FOR RESIDENTS ALONG THAT ENTIRE GREEN NECKLACE. IT REALLY MAKES SENSE THAT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL BECOMES THE AMENITY THAT IS THAT AMENITY NODE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          WITHIN THIS SEGMENT OF ROSE RUN PARK, SO WE HAVE COLLABORATED WITH THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY ON THIS VISION, AND AT THIS TIME, IT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD MAKE A FORMAL MOTION ON TO REQUEST THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, TO DEDICATE THE LAND THAT THEY OWN WITHIN THE CIVIC BLOCK TO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY FOR THE PURPOSE OF AN EXTENSION OF ROSE RUN PARK THAT WOULD INCLUDE A VETERANS MEMORIAL, TO CREATE AN AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND TO HONOR THE COMMUNITY'S VETERANS. AND, TOM RUBY AND MCCASKEY IS HERE, IS HERE AS WELL. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SURE. SO ON THIS EXHIBIT. ANYTHING THAT IS IN COLOR IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY NOW. SO FROM THE POLICE STATION OVER TO VILLAGE HALL AND THEN TO A POINT, A JUST KIND OF BELOW WHAT IS THE OLD MILL WAREHOUSE BUILDING? NEW ALBANY COMPANY OWNS THE OLD MILL WAREHOUSE BUILDING. WHAT WAS THE DUKE AND DUCHESS PROPERTIES, WHICH ALSO EXTENDS SOUTH OF THE CREEK. AND THEN THEY OWN THE OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING ON THIS CORNER, I THINK IT'S JUST UNDER TWO ACRES IN TOTAL. SO IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THE GRAY AREA? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH JUST TO BE CLEAR. YEAH. SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO SATISFY THE REQUEST FROM NACO, TO DO A MOTION, JUST DO A MOTION. I THINK YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO DESCRIBE IT AS TAKING A PAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT WE'VE WORKED ON. AND AGAIN, I THINK JEFF AND HIS WHOLE TEAM AT MXQ, I THINK WE DID ALL LOOK AT THESE FIVE SITES FROM THE BEGINNING AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO THIS ONE AND WENT THROUGH A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DEVELOP THIS, VETERANS MEMORIAL. AND IT JUST IT'S KIND OF REMINDED ME OF THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH FOR ALL THOSE YEARS WITH THE ROSE RUN, WHERE YOU FINALLY GOT TO THE VISION AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S IT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS. AND THIS FELT THE SAME TO ME, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT WE WERE GOING TO PERHAPS PUT IN A PARKING STRUCTURE AND SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AROUND IT, SORT OF BLOCKING IT OFF, WHICH WAS PART OF THE GOAL IN THE BEGINNING WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS VERY OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE. SO IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND MAKE SURE THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND I THINK IN 
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THAT PROCESS OF GIVING US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BE CONTEMPLATIVE, THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME OTHER, PROJECTS IN MIND AND STARTED DEVELOPING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE THOROUGHLY. AND IT BECAME PRETTY CLEAR THAT THIS WAS THIS WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY THAN WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MR. WEXNER A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY CAME UP, AND HE IS EXTREMELY ENERGETIC ABOUT BUILDING AND REFINING A GREEN CORRIDOR AGAIN, AS, AS, DIRECTOR JOLLY DESCRIBED FROM TAYLOR PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH TO GANTON PARKWAY. AND THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY CEMENT THAT CONNECTION. AND SO TAKING THOSE WHAT WE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY USES OR RETAIL USES AND TURNING THEM INTO A CIVIC PLACE AGAIN, TO REALLY STRENGTHEN THAT GREEN CORRIDOR WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO HIM. AND HE SORT OF SMILED AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ASK, IF YOU ASK ME TO DONATE THAT LAND, I'LL DO IT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK. SO WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT, FORMALLY FOR THE FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND AGAIN, AS WE JUST RECENTLY APPROVED, THE MARKET STREET EXTENSION MOU, THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS PLAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, OF WHAT THAT ROAD PROJECT WILL BE WAS NECESSARILY SHARED, DESCRIPTIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC. BUT IT, IT'S MORE THAN A ROAD. AND, THE ABILITY TO, AGAIN, UTILIZE A PART OF THE ESTATE THERE AND MAKE THAT GREEN CORRIDOR CONNECTION. I THINK THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY, I CERTAINLY WAS DISAPPOINTED, LAST TIME WHEN WE HAD HIT PAUSE, BUT IT IT ALL WAS FOR THE BEST. AND SO I AGAIN, I THANK OUR PARTNERS AT MXQ AND THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. FOR TAKING THE TIME TO, TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES COLLECTIVELY AND DO SOMETHING COLLABORATIVELY THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE PROJECT EVEN BETTER. YEAH I'D LIKE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, I WAS ALWAYS SKEPTICAL ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK THERE AND HOW FUNCTIONAL THEY WERE GOING TO BE, AND WHEN THAT PLAN CAME, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE AN AMAZING, AMAZING PROJECT WITH THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE COMMERCIAL, IT WAS PRETTY SEGREGATED FROM THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD IN MIND THIS WAS GOING TO KIND OF BE ROSE RUN TWO, BUT IT WAS VERY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD EVEN KNOW THAT THE VETERANS PARK WAS THERE IF IT WENT WITH THE PREVIOUS ITERATION. NOW, THAT BAND COMING UP ALONG DUBLIN GRANVILLE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TIE EVERYTHING IN, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP ROSELAND CREEK AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THIS VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN UNBELIEVABLE PROJECT. AND, COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS NEW VERSION. AND YOU KNOW, BLESSING IN DISGUISE. WE WERE ALL SUPER DISAPPOINTED, BUT, ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO GET A MUCH BETTER PROJECT OUT OF IT. SO ABSOLUTELY VERY EXCITED. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT, I'M STILL PRETTY NEW TO THIS JOB AND HOW REMARKABLE IT IS THAT, A COMPANY, A GREAT MAN WOULD JUST DONATE THE LAND TO US FOR THIS. SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND, NICO, FOR, I GUESS, ALLOWING US TO ASK, FOR THIS, I HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK THE WORD PLEASE INTO THE MOTION. PERHAPS, BECAUSE, IT DOES SEEM LIKE A PECULIAR POSITION, BUT, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL. WE'LL BE. GREAT ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN I HAVE A BRIEF MOTION PREPARED, I MOVE THAT WE REQUEST THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST TO THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY TO DEDICATE PROPERTY SOUTH OF DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD AND THE FORMER MILL WAREHOUSE BUILDING TO THE CITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXPANDING THE ROSE RUN PARK AND TO BUILD A VETERANS MEMORIAL. SECOND. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FALLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES, PLEASE. SEVEN YES. VOTES ON THE MOTION. 
          AND MAYOR SPALDING, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT IN WRITING. AND I COULD GET THAT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I WROTE ALL OVER THIS. BUT I'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT BEFORE WE LEAVE. ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE UNDER HEARING VISITORS. DO WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING MATTER? NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. ALL RIGHT, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, SOME STORYBOOKS TO SHARE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND POTENTIAL DONORS ON THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, AND I WILL, YOU KNOW, GLADLY GO AROUND AND GO DOOR TO DOOR LOOKING FOR SPONSORSHIPS. 
          SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. AND AGAIN, THANKS, JEFF, TO YOUR TEAM. YOU GUYS DO INCREDIBLE 
          [7. BOARD/COMMISSION REPORTS]
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WORK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON IN THE AGENDA THAT TAKES US TO BOARD AND COMMISSION REPORTS, PLANNING COMMISSION. ANY UPDATE? YES. WE HAD A LENGTHY MEETING LAST NIGHT, WE HAD SEVERAL CASES. I'LL GO THROUGH THEM, THE MOST NOTABLE CASE WAS, THE REHEARING OF THE LINKS, DRIVING RANGE, WHICH WAS TABLED, THE, TABLE FOR THE THIRD TIME. THE, DRIVING RANGE IS WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBORING CHURCH. BOTH PARTIES WERE AMENABLE TO TABLING. SO WE HOPE THAT THEY, WILL, BE ABLE TO WORK IT OUT. I ACTUALLY DO NOT REMEMBER WHEN THEY ARE COMING BACK. I BELIEVE IT'S JULY 15TH. JULY 15TH. THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK. SO, THAT, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY BY THEN, THE NEXT CASE WAS, A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, FOR A DONATOS, AT THE CORNER OF SMITH'S MILL ROAD AND BEACH ROAD, THIS, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I HAVE THE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, BUT IT NEEDED NO VARIANCES. IT'S GOING TO ADD A LEISURE TRAIL AND NONE OF THE, PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS HAD ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS, THEN WE DISCUSSED A NEW BANK, RIGHT. PET BANK, WHICH WILL BE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SMITH'S MILL AND JOHNSTOWN ROAD. THIS, PROJECT REQUIRED THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING TO BE FLIPPED. SO, IT WAS, FACING, 62. AND, THEY ALSO REQUIRED THEY ASKED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DRIVE THROUGH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED THAT THE DRIVEWAYS BE ALIGNED AND THAT THE ORIENTATION BE CHANGED, BUT THERE WERE NO OTHER VARIANCES THAT WERE NECESSARY. AND THEY DID APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH WILL JUST BE THREE ATMS, FOR THAT BANK THEN, WE HAD A, SIGN VARIANCE FOR MOOMOO CAR WASH, MOOMOO CAR WASH, HAD THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVED IN JUNE 2022. I FORGET WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER WAS THERE, AS REPRESENTATIVE WHEN THAT HAPPENED, BUT THEY WERE NOT, THEY DID NOT DISCUSS THE SIGNS THAT THEY PLANNED TO PUT ON THE PROPERTY, THEY, THEY, PUT ON, 2 OR 3 SIGNS THAT WERE NOT PRESENTED FOR REVIEW, AND, DUE TO SOME NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS, THOSE SIGNS WERE REVIEWED LAST NIGHT. ONE OF THEM WAS A ARE THEY TWO OF THEM WERE ELECTRONIC, MAYBE ALL THREE OF THEM ARE ELECTRONIC, BUT, THE ONE THAT WAS ELECTRONIC THAT WE DISCUSSED, ONE OF THEM WAS ELECTRONIC AND WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED ANYWAY HAD WE LOOKED AT IT. IT FIT WELL WITHIN THE REQUIREMENT. IT'S, THE OTHER ONE WAS A DIRECTIONAL ARROW THAT WAS EITHER FLASHING RED OR GREEN AND COULD BE TURNED OFF, DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND THE LIKE TO, LIKE, LIGHT COULD BE, CHANGED. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WAS A SIGN THAT WAS A, MONUMENT SIGN, THAT'S NOT USUALLY ALLOWED. THAT HAD MORE THAN THE NORMAL NUMBER OF COLORS, AND WAS NOT SCREENED. THE DIRECTIONAL ARROW SIGN WAS APPROVED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING REQUIREMENTS AND A DIRECTIVE THAT IT ONLY BE THOSE TWO COLORS AND WOULD BE OFF DURING BUSINESS HOURS, AND THE MONUMENT SIGN WAS, VOTED, AGAINST, THEY WERE IT WAS VOTED TO BE AGAINST THE CODE AND NOT APPROVED. FINALLY OUR LAST CASE WAS THE ALL SAINTS EPISCOPAL CHURCH REQUEST TO PUT ON SOLAR PANELS FOR THEIR CHURCH FACILITY , AND THAT WAS, UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED WITH GUSTO, AND THEN WE HAD A PREVIEW OF THE PARKWAY, PROJECT, WHICH, SOUNDS AMAZING. THERE'S GOING TO BE, MORE INFORMATION TO COME ON THAT, BUT A MIX OF, RESIDENTIAL, MEDICAL USES AND PROFESSIONAL USES AND SOME REALLY, BEAUTIFUL SOUNDING GREEN SPACE ON A 100 ACRE PROPERTY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE UPDATE? IT WAS A FUN DAY. 
          DRIVING RANGE IS TABLED AGAIN. TABLED AGAIN. OKAY. TABLED AGAIN. HAVE WE FIGURED OUT WHERE 
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ALL THE GOLF BALLS ARE COMING FROM? WELL, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF, REASONS THAT. I MEAN, I, I'M NOT USING THE DRIVING RANGE NOW. IT'S CLOSED. 
          IT'S CLOSED. BUT THEY'RE THE DRIVE. BUT PEOPLE THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST TIME, WAS THAT THERE WERE STILL GOLF BALLS COMING IN ON THE PROPERTY THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS CLOSED, PEOPLE WERE STILL USING THE FACILITY, AND WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER THE IMPORTANCE OF, YOU KNOW, POLICING AND PROVIDING SECURITY. SO THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. OKAY. BUT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED SINCE FEBRUARY AND SOMEBODY WHO WAS THERE MIGHT REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME NUMBER OF BALLS THAT HAD BEEN ON THE PROPERTY SINCE THEN, BUT WE'RE ONLY THE TYPE OF BALLS THAT WERE AVAILABLE SHORTLY BEFORE THEY CLOSED. SO WE KNEW THAT THEY WERE RECENT. 
          THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY BEFORE THAT, DO YOU KNOW? SO FOR THE DRIVING RANGE WAS INSTALLED OR IT'S A NEW CHAPTER, IT'S A NEW OWNER, THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2002. THE CHURCH PROPERTIES KNEW, WHAT, 22. YEAH. I THINK CHIP'S QUESTION IS WHAT WHAT CAME FIRST, THE DRIVING RANGE OR THE DRIVING RANGE WAS OKAY. SO THE DRIVING RANGE WAS IN EXISTENCE FOR SOME TIME. 
          OKAY, AND IT WAS, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS SOME IT WAS A COHESIVE ENVIRONMENT BETWEEN THE DRIVING RANGE AND THE CHURCH. THERE WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WERE THERE, 75 FOOT TREES, AND THAT THOSE TREES WERE PART OF A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. WHEN THIS ALL CAME TO PASS, AT SOME POINT, WHEN THE OWNERSHIP OF THE GOLF COURSE CHANGED AND IT WAS THE APPLICANT'S, SUBMISSION THAT THIS WAS AFTER, THIS WAS BEFORE THEY TOOK POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY THAT AT SOME POINT THE TREES WERE TAKEN DOWN BY THE GOLF COURSE, BY THE GOLF COURSE, CLEAR CUT TREES. SO THE ISSUE AND THEN AND THEN THE VOLUME OF THE GOLF BALLS CHANGED CONSIDERABLY. AND THE CHURCH HAD TO CHANGE OPERATIONS. THE SOCCER CLUB THAT WAS RENTING OUT THE FIELDS HAD TO STOP USING THE FIELDS, AND, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, WHAT IS CAUSING THAT AND WHAT CAN BE FIXED, WHETHER OR NOT A NET IS, APPROPRIATE, HOW BIG THE NET SHOULD BE, BECAUSE IT'S A NET UP THERE. SO IT MUST BE THEY NEED A BIGGER NET, RIGHT. WELL, THEY PUT UP THE NET. YEAH. THE NEIGHBORS BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED A BIGGER NET. IT'S VERY HARD TO REPLICATE THOSE. THAT TREE STAND. YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH, I GOT IT. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. I WENT UP THERE TO USE THE DRIVING RANGE AND THEY'RE LIKE, SORRY, IT'S CLOSED. I'M LIKE, OH THAT'S RIGHT, IT IS CLOSED. WELL, I'M GLAD THEY TOLD YOU THAT BECAUSE THERE'S. IS THERE SOME RATIONALE FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW GROUP AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO RESOLVE THIS BETWEEN EACH OTHER? I MEAN, GOLF BALLS ARE GOING TO GET BETTER GOLFERS OR BIGGER FENCES, I GUESS. WELL THERE'S THE SUBMISSION FROM, THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS TO, PROVIDE A FENCE OR A NET AND SOME DIRECTIONAL ARROWS TO HOPEFULLY GET PEOPLE TO NOT AIM FOR THE BARN, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE AIMING FOR, AND THEY HAVE UTILIZED, LOW. OH, GOD. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? VELOCITY BALLS. WHERE THEY GO, THEY DON'T GO AS FAR, BUT, THERE'S THEY I WOULD AT LEAST AT THE LAST MEETING, THE PARTIES WERE IN AN IMPASSE. RIGHT. THE NEIGHBORS ARE CLAIMING THAT THE ONLY THING THAT IS GOING TO HELP IS THIS LARGE FENCE, THIS, THIS LARGE NET. I KEEP SAYING FENCE. I MEAN, NET, AND, THE NET THAT THEY WANT IS PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE IN THE OWNER'S EYES. I'LL SAY THIS THOUGH, THE NEW OWNER OF THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS NEW ERA GOLF, ARE DOING A VERY NICE JOB UP THERE. THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS JUST IN GENERAL, THE GOLF COURSE, AND IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER. YEAH YEAH, THEY'RE DONE A SHOW. YEAH, YEAH. SO I HOPE AND THEY HAVE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE RESIDENTS. SO I HOPE THAT THEY'RE COMING TO A RESOLUTION SOON HOPEFULLY BY JULY 15TH. YEAH. SO ALL RIGHT, PARKS AND TRAILS, NO MEETING, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. YEAH. THERE WAS A MEETING, AND THERE WAS THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THE FIRST WAS, THE SECOND TIME BRINGING IN THE, 
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LIBRARY SIGNAGE ISSUE THAT I KNOW. COUNCIL MEMBER, DEREK TOLD US ALL ABOUT IN THE PRIOR MEETING, THEY TABLED THAT YET AGAIN. SO THAT DID NOT GET HEARD AT THIS MEETING. IT'S TABLED NOW TO JULY EIGHTH, THERE WAS THE LIBRARY STILL WANTS TO PUT UP THE SIGN. WELL, THEY SO FAR HAVE NOT WITHDRAWN THEIR REQUEST, SO. YEAH. OKAY. IT WAS IT WAS TABLED. WHAT? IT SEEMED AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING, BUT IT SEEMED PRETTY APPARENT THAT IT WASN'T GOING WELL. AND THEY, ELECTED TO TABLE IT AT THE FIRST MEETING. AND THIS TIME THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION. IT WAS SIMPLY TABLED AGAIN UNTIL JULY. YEAH. IF I COULD ADD, I SPOKE TO PAT LOZINSKI AND HE ASKED THAT IT BE TABLED BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAD STAFF VACATION ISSUES AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND. OH, OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. IT WAS LIKE JUST TABLED WITHOUT DISCUSSION THIS TIME. SO I DIDN'T KNOW. OKAY. THEN THERE WAS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR RICHMOND SQUARE FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF BUILDINGS THAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO, THERE'S GOING TO BE SIX UNITS, THE PLAN HAD BEEN APPROVED, PREVIOUSLY, BUT THEY CAME BACK WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS AS, THAT, THAT TO THE DESIGN FACING THE ALLEYWAY SLASH DRIVE LANE, THAT ADDED SOME BAY WINDOWS AND A SORT OF A SOLARIUM EXTENDING OUT AND EXTENDING THE OUTDOOR PATIOS. SO FROM THE DRIVE LANE ALLEY, IT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, AND IT EXPANDS THE OUTDOOR SPACE. AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS APPROVED. EVERYBODY LIKED THIS VERSION MUCH MORE, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN A LITTLE COMMENTARY THAT IT WAS NOT QUITE AS EXCITING, THE FIRST TIME AROUND. SO THEY PREFERRED THIS. THE WAY THAT THIS WILL LOOK IS THE FRONTAL VIEW FROM THE STREET GOING TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME THING. YEAH EXACTLY. OH, TO THE EXISTING. NO, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT OKAY. IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT. BUT THEY THE APPROVALS OF EVERYTHING ELSE REMAIN THE SAME. THEY JUST WANTED TO ADD THIS TO IT. SO THEN THERE WAS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR, FOR, IT WAS CHURCH OF THE RESURRECTION, AND IT WAS A VERY, VERY LONG DISCUSSION, BETWEEN MANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CHURCH AND THE AND THE BOARD, THEY WANT TO, EXTEND ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS AND ADD TWO MORE BUILDINGS. AND ONE WILL BE A PARISH COMMUNITY CENTER, A PARISH LIFE CENTER, AND A MAINTENANCE STORAGE BUILDING, THEY WANT TO RECONFIGURE ALL THE PARKING AS THEY DO THIS. ADDING FROM 468 PARKING SPACES TO 545. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE BOARD WAS VERY MUCH IMPRESSED WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS AND LIKED A LOT OF THAT, BUT THERE WERE A GREAT DEAL OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DIGGING INTO THE DETAIL. THIS IS A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WITH A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS THAT WERE NOT YET ALL FLESHED OUT. AND IN THE END, THE BOARD WAS PRIMARILY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE DETAILS REGARDING HOW THE PROPERTY WAS GOING TO LOOK, BEING THAT IT IS RIGHT IN SUCH A CRUCIAL PART OF OUR CITY, HOW IT WOULD LOOK ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE PARKING LOT. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE EXACTLY WILL THE BUILDING SIT, HOW WILL THEY BE SCREENED, WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPE DO YOU HAVE IN THE OLD PART NOW VERSUS WHAT YOU WOULD BE ADDING TO THE NEW PART? WILL THERE BE MOUNDING FROM THE SCHOOL SIDE ON PHOTO ROAD AND FROM OLD DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD? AND IN THE END, THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT THEY WERE NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE ENOUGH APPROVING THESE PLANS THAT EVENING. AND SO IT IS THEREFORE BEEN TABLED AND I HAVE THE DATE SOMEWHERE. ARE THEY KNOCKING DOWN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH? IS IT. NO, NO. THIS IS ALL ADDITIONS SO FAR. NOTHING WILL BE THERE. THERE IS TALK OF I DON'T HAVE THE DATE BUT IT WAS TABLED TOO, SO I APOLOGIZE. IS IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING? DOES THAT CORRECT? CHRIS, THANK YOU. SO FOR THE NEXT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. NEW BUILDINGS. ARE THEY PUTTING UP AGAIN? I'M SORRY. SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT UP A, A 8000 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY MAINTENANCE STORAGE BUILDING, AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY PARISH COMMUNITY CENTER. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ON TO ONE OF THE BUILDINGS TO MAKE IT 29,000FT■!S, TWO STORY PARISH LE CENTER. SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT BUILD, AND THEY'RE KIND OF GOING ALONG A LOT OF IT'S KIND OF ALONG THE PERIPHERY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK WAS A GREAT CONCERN FOR PEOPLE. SO AGAIN, IT WAS BY NO MEANS, THERE WAS A LOT ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT EVERYBODY WAS VERY IN FAVOR OF. THEY JUST 
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DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITHOUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER DETAILS BEING FLUSHED OUT, TAKING A FORMAL VOTE OF APPROVAL. SO IT WAS TABLED. SO THE NEXT MEETING AND THAT'S IT. AND TOM, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT, THOSE CHURCH PLANTS THAT HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE ARC BEFORE IT CAME TO THE IRB, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THE CONCEPT AND PRELIMINARY, NOT THE FINAL. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT REPORT? ALL RIGHT, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, NO MEETING. SUSTAINABLE ADVISORY BOARD, NO MEETING. IDEA IMPLEMENTATION PANEL. WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON TOMORROW. THANK YOU. YES, WE DID HAVE A MEETING. WE MOSTLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON TOMORROW, WHICH IS JUNETEENTH, WHICH BEGINS AT 330, GOES TILL EIGHT AT THE AMPHITHEATER, AND, WE COUNCIL IS, GOING TO BE ON STAGE, AND IT'S MAYOR DOING PROCLAMATION AT 630. SO PLEASE ALL COME, IF YOU GOT A SHIRT, PLEASE WEAR IT. IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU CAN ORDER ONE AT THE EVENT, AND IT'LL COME LATER, WE, I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT TOMORROW, IT'S GOING TO BE SUCH AN AMAZING EVENT. THANKS TO THE EFFORTS OF ADRIAN AND ABBY BROOKS AND ALANA SKINNER, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIDS ACTIVITIES. WE HAVE SPOKEN WORD. 
          WE HAVE, A GOSPEL CHOIR. WE HAVE, AN AMAZING BAND, WE HAVE, SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY, DANCING SONG, AND WE HAVE AN ARTIST THAT'S GOING TO BE MAKING, A PAINTING WHILE SHE'S AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHILE SHE'S AT THE EVENT, WHICH I THINK IS, IS REALLY, REALLY AMAZING, I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM COMES. I HOPE ANYBODY'S WATCHING HOME COMES, AND IT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE HARD WORK THAT ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT, AND ALSO WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF OUR SPONSORS. SO WE HAVE THREE SPONSORS META, AMGEN AND INTEL, AND WE ARE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S TO COME TOMORROW. YEP AND I THINK I DON'T WANT TO JINX ANYTHING, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COME IN UNDER BUDGET. OH, WE'RE COMING IN WAY UNDER BUDGET. AND I THINK WE ALL OWE IN PART, A BIG THANK YOU TO ANDREW ON THAT ONE BECAUSE, SHE WAS ABLE TO, NEGOTIATE, ONE OF OUR CONTRACTS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, WHICH WAS REALLY INTERESTING, ACTUALLY, WITH KAPPA, IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS THERE. SO THAT COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT SCHOLARSHIP MONEY, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY COME IN AT ABOUT 50% OF BUDGET. RIGHT? SO MAYBE LESS. SO. WELL, THERE'LL BE, FOOD TRUCKS AND LIKE LAST YEAR. YES. 
          THERE I THINK THERE EIGHT FOOD TRUCKS. SO THREE MORE THAN LAST YEAR. RIGHT, HOPEFULLY THE LINES WILL NOT BE AS LONG, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE EFFECTS OF SOMEBODY SAID LIKE BREW DOG, CAN THEY COME UP TO THE CONCERT WILL BE ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S THAT? IT WILL NOT BE IN EFFECT BECAUSE IT'S IN EFFECT THURSDAY'S, STARTING ON THURSDAY. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. LET'S GO DRINK. GO DRINK YOUR BEER AND THEN COME BACK. YEAH. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THERE'S NO ALCOHOL SERVICE AT THE EVENT. IT'S A NO ALCOHOL EVENT. OKAY, MORE FAMILY FOCUSED . ALL RIGHT, WELL, LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR ALL THE EFFORTS ON ON SPONSORSHIP. I MEAN, SOME OF THAT HAPPENED ORGANICALLY, WHICH IS AWESOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL ENVISIONED US PUTTING TOGETHER THESE VERY, UNIQUE CULTURAL EXPERIENCES IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE FOLKS FEEL WELCOME. AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEY, THEY GROW ON THEIR OWN AND CAN BE SUPPORTED. SO THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT SUCCEEDING . SO THANK YOU, ANY UPDATE FROM THE CEMETERY RESTORATION ADVISORY BOARD? NO MAIDEN. AND WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION. OKAY. 
          OF THE FENCE, WAGNER CEMETERY, WHICH LOOKS VERY NICE. YEAH, IT ACTUALLY MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE, DOESN'T IT? YEAH, IT'S A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE. LOOKS GOOD THERE. YEAH CORRESPONDENCE FOR COMMUNICATION. HAS ANYONE RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR COMMUNICATIONS SINCE OUR LAST 
          [9. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC HEARING]
MEETING? I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCE OH 16 2024, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 115 PERSONNEL POLICIES OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, OHIO, IS CODIFIED ORDINANCES AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. SO I'LL TAKE THIS ONE. MAYOR, OUR, HR ADMINISTRATOR IS, ON VACATION THIS WEEK, SO I HAVE TO PINCH 
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HIT. BUT, AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, SHE WENT THROUGH THE, CHANGES LINE BY LINE AT THE LAST MEETING FOR COUNCIL'S, APPROVAL. I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE, THE NATURE OF THE CHANGES. BASICALLY WHAT WE DO IS REVIEW THE, PERSONNEL ORDINANCE ABOUT EVERY 3 OR 4 YEARS, GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE, LABOR AGREEMENTS WITH OUR, FOP UNION, AND PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN RELATIVE CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE TERMS OF THE FOP, COLLECTIVE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND OUR PERSONNEL ORDINANCE, SO WE MADE SOME CHANGES RELATED TO THAT, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO, TRAINING WAGE FOR EMPLOYEES WHO ARE BASICALLY WHAT WE WOULD REFER TO AS, LIKE A FIELD TRAINING TYPE OF AN OFFICER OR FIELD TRAINING PERSONNEL, WE, MADE A TWEAK TO THE, PERSONNEL LEAVE OUR EMPLOYEES RECEIVE TWO PERSONAL DAYS, SO WE DID PROVIDE A PROVISION IN THIS CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT, SOME OF THOSE PERSONAL LEAVE HOURS TO BE CASHED IN IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO BE USED, THERE WERE ALSO SOME, CHANGES IN, WORDING, IN ORDER TO TRY TO ELIMINATE SOME CONFUSION. CONFUSION. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, CLASSIFIED VERSUS UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE, EXEMPT VERSUS NONEXEMPT, AGAIN, LINDSAY WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, THOSE PARTICULAR DETAILS AT THE LAST MEETING. AND THEN, WE'VE WE ALSO MADE, SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO KEEP UP WITH THE, THE, THE LABOR MARKET. SO WE FOUND THAT, AS SOME OF OUR AS WE TRY TO RECRUIT NEW EMPLOYEES, PARTICULARLY LATERAL TRANSFERS, OUR VACATION LEAVE SCHEDULE WAS A LITTLE BIT, LIGHT. SO WHAT WE WOULD END UP DOING IS BRINGING PEOPLE IN AND THEN NEGOTIATING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, VACATION RATE. SO WE'VE TWEAKED OUR VACATION SCHEDULE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE ENTITIES IN THE COLUMBUS MARKET. AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED, THREE DAYS AT THE, BACK END OF THE OF THE, SCHEDULE. SO PEOPLE THAT HAVE MORE THAN 15 YEARS OF SERVICE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR AN EXTRA THREE DAYS. THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE NATURE OF THE OF THE CHANGES IS I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 16 2024? HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE ZERO 16 2024. SECOND. CLAIRE SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BREAST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISSED. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES. VOTES TO APPROVE ORDINANCE OH 16 2024. ORDINANCE OH 17 2024. AN ORDINANCE TO ACCEPT A RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION OF 0.0025 ACRES AS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE SOUTH HARLEM ROAD ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, AS REQUESTED BY SANDRA AND JEFFREY ROWLEY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M STANDING IN FOR JUSTIN WILKINSON TODAY. THAT'S INSANE. THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. ONLY JESSE CAN MAKE RIGHT AWAY FUN. 
          YEAH. GET ME EXCITED. WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE A BLAST. I JUST JUST HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS, SO I'LL DO MY BEST HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE A SERIES OF THREE, RIGHT OF WAY ACCEPTANCES HERE. 
          ALL IN SUPPORT OF THE SOUTH HARLEM ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. VERY HAPPY TO REPORT. 
          AND I GIVE FULL CREDIT TO JUSTIN WILKINSON, THAT OUR OUR PROJECTS ARE ARE VERY WELL UNDERWAY. IN FACT, STATE ROUTE 605 IMPROVEMENTS THERE ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL CAMPUS ARE RUNNING, SIGNIFICANTLY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, HESITANT TO SHARE WHAT THOSE MILESTONE DATES ARE, BUT IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY IT RECENTLY, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK DONE IN A IN A VERY SHORT TIME. AND I GET I WANT TO CREDIT JUSTIN WITH THAT. JUST HAVING THINGS LINED UP, WE HAD OUR TEAM MOBILIZED AND ON SITE, WITHIN DAYS OF THE LAST DAY OF SCHOOL. SO WE REALLY ATTACKED THAT. AND I THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF WORK DONE VERY QUICKLY, THAT SAME CREW EQUIPMENT THERE, A LOT OF EQUIPMENT. YEAH GOOFING AROUND. YEAH. SO, THAT SAME TEAM, WILL BE MOVING ON TO THE SOUTH HARLEM ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAD A TENTATIVE DATE OF JUNE 17TH WHEN THEY WOULD START, WHICH WAS YESTERDAY, LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE SHORTLY AFTER THE 4TH OF JULY. AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL TO, TO CAPITALIZE ON ON THE WEATHER 
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THAT WE'VE HAD, THIS DRY WEATHER REALLY MAKES FOR A FASTER CONSTRUCTION. WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WEATHER DELAYS AND OTHER MATERIAL CONSIDERATIONS, IT GOING VERY WELL. SO, FULL CREDIT THERE TO JUSTIN, NONE OF THE NONE OF THE SOUTH HARLEM ROAD PROJECT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IF IT WEREN'T FOR, THE SUPPORT OF THE THREE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE, THAT ARE SUBJECT TO OUR ORDINANCES THIS EVENING, STARTING OFF WITH, WITH WITH SANDRA AND JEFF ROWLEY, THEY LIVE ON JASON COURT, THEY ACTUALLY ARE AT THE CORNER OF JASON COURT AND HARLEM ROAD, WHEN WE HAD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST YEAR, THEY ACTUALLY APPROACHED ME AFTER THE MEETING AND WERE VERY, VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE PROJECT AND WANTED TO OFFER THEIR ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, SO THEY PROACTIVELY VOLUNTEERED, BASICALLY THE AVAILABILITY OF SOME RIGHT OF WAY THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO INCORPORATE AN ADDITIONAL, MEDIAN, THAT WOULD BE JUST NORTH OF, HARLEM ROAD ON, JUST NORTH OF JASON COURT ON HARLEM ROAD. SO, I THINK WITH THEIR SUPPORT, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A WE'RE GETTING CERTAINLY A BETTER, MANAGEMENT OF TRAFFIC AND MANAGEMENT OF SPEED IN PARTICULAR. SO THE SUBJECT, THE SUBJECT RIGHT OF WAY, DEDICATION IS, 0.025 ACRES. 
          IT IS ALONG HARLEM ROAD, AND IT WILL ACCOMMODATE ESSENTIALLY PORTIONS OF OUR LEISURE TRAIL. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME EASEMENTS IN THE AREA AS WELL, THAT ARE SHOWN REALLY IN BLUE AND RED, BUT REALLY, I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE GREEN AREA, FOR THIS, SO THAT IS, THAT, THAT'S PROPERTY OWNER, FIRST ONE TO SPEAK OF AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 17 2024? HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE? I MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OH 17 2024. SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER. KATZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          WELCH YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISKE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DARK. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. FALLOWS. YES SEVEN. YES VOTES FOR THAT ORDINANCE OH 17 2024. ORDINANCE OH 18 2024. AN ORDINANCE TO ACCEPT A RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION OF 0.131 ACRES AS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE SOUTH HARLEM ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, AS REQUESTED BY MAYOR TOMMY BARMORE AND VERNON TYRON BARMORE, TRUSTEES OF DEALS TO THE DOOR. 401K TRUST OKAY, ONCE AGAIN, CONTINUATION OF, THE PRIOR ORDINANCE, THIS WAS ONE, I HAD ACTUALLY APPROACHED, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THIS, THEY WERE VERY WELCOMING AND VERY INTERESTED IN THE IMPROVEMENTS, AND REALLY JUST AFTER SOME, SOME CONSIDERATION ON THEIR END, THEY WERE COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST. SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED, IN FACT, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG HARLEM ROAD. THEY ARE JUST NORTH OF JASON COURT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXHIBITS THAT WE NEED TO GIVE SOMETHING MORE CLEAR SO YOU CAN ORIENT WHERE THIS IS AT, BUT GENERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OLD, KIND OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S ON THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, CAMPUS AREA THERE. THERE ARE TWO HOMES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET THERE WHERE WE WOULD NEED RIGHT OF WAY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PROJECT. SO, FARMERS WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND KIND, AND, CERTAINLY A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH. SO THIS RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION IS OF, 0.131 ACRES ALONG HARLEM ROAD, THIS WILL BE UTILIZED AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, LINEAR TRAIL AND ALSO ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA, I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME STORM SEWER THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THIS AREA AS WELL. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 18 2024? HEAR NO COMMENT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE? I MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OH SEVEN? OH 17 2024 OR OH 18 2024 SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DERRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. 
          YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRYCE. YES. 
          MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. ORDINANCE OH 18 2024. ORDINANCE OH 19 2024 AN ORDINANCE TO ACCEPT THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION OF POINT OF 0.150 ACRES AS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE SOUTH HARLEM ROAD AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, AS REQUESTED BY MONIQUE AND ROBERT BRETON. VERY GOOD. LAST, LAST BUT NOT LEAST. AND IN FACT, ACTUALLY FIRST, MISS BRITTON WAS REALLY THE PRIMARY CATALYST OF THIS PROJECT, I KNOW SHE WAS VERY 
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ACTIVE IN CONTACTING, MARK NEMEC, DURING HIS TIME HERE. HE WAS SHE WAS ALSO VERY PROACTIVE IN KIND OF COORDINATING THE SUPPORT, OF RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AS WELL, SO I THINK WITH HER SUPPORT, SHE WAS SHE WAS ABLE TO REALLY KIND OF GET A COLLECTIVE, SUPPORT OF REALLY THAT STREET. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, SHE WAS VERY MUCH AN ALLY AND AN ADVOCATE OF THE PROJECT. SO I APPRECIATE HER, HER HELP IN HELPING ME ALONG THE WAY WITH THAT, SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A RIGHT OF WAY, ACQUISITION OF, 0.15 ACRES ALONG HARLEM ROAD, AGAIN. WELL, NONE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT IS BEING ACQUIRED HERE, HAS BEEN COMPENSATED FOR EVERYTHING HAS BASICALLY BEEN DONATED IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. AND SHE FROM THE GET GO WAS WAS WILLING TO, TO DO THAT TO DONATE. SO SHE GOT THE BALL ROLLING IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT STANDARD AND WE'RE FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO, CONTINUE THAT, THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. SO TO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU WOULD HAVE ON THAT AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 19 2024 HEARING? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE? MOVED TO ADOPT ORDINANCE OH 19 2024? SECOND SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER BRESKE. 
          YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DERRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. SEVEN. 
          YES. VOTES FOR THAT ORDINANCE OH 19 2024. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, MR. BARKER AND YOUR TEAM, FOR WORKING WITH THESE RESIDENTS AND ESPECIALLY THANK YOU TO THE RESIDENTS FOR BEING COOPERATIVE AND MAKING THIS A BETTER PROJECT AND HELPING US ALIGN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEANLY WITH YOUR PROPERTY DEDICATIONS. MUCH APPRECIATED, INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING 
          [10. INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCES]
OF ORDINANCES ORDINANCE OH 20 2024 ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 1187 SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY CODIFIED ORDINANCES. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. SO TONIGHT, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST OF TWO CODE UPDATES, SO NONE OF THESE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY SPECIFIC PROJECT. ALL OF OUR CODE UPDATES TONIGHT HAVE EITHER COME AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL OR IT'S JUST THINGS WE FOUND DURING OUR NORMAL OPERATIONS OF WORK AND WHAT'S INTERESTING TONIGHT IS THAT WHEREAS MOST TIMES WE COME HERE WITH CODE UPDATES THAT INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SO WE'RE CHANGING THINGS LIKE SETBACKS OR LANDSCAPING STANDARDS, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT DOING ANY OF THAT TONIGHT. TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROCEDURAL AND POLICY CHANGES AND REALLY CLARIFICATIONS FOR THE SECOND ONE THAT CHRIS WILL GO OVER WITH YOU ABOUT THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, CITY STAFF STARTED RESEARCHING AND WRITING CODE FOR MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. AND SO THAT'S INCLUDED TONIGHT. AND THEN JUST TO BE EFFICIENT, ANYTIME WE OPEN UP A CHAPTER FOR CODE UPDATES, WE ASK OURSELVES, ARE THERE ANY OTHER UPDATES WE WANT TO MAKE TO THIS CHAPTER? OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS WERE ACTUALLY ONLY, CREATED AND HAVEN'T CHANGED SINCE 1991, SO WE HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF POLICY AND PROCEDURE CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE. AND SO IF YOU SEE A LOT OF RED INK IN YOUR EXHIBITS, THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT CHANGES PER SE FOR THE MOST PART, VERY MINOR THINGS AS FAR AS LIKE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS GO, REALLY EVERYTHING PERTAINS TO PROCESS AND PROCEDURES FOR SUBDIVISIONS TO REFLECT OUR CURRENT PRACTICES. SO WE ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'RE MOVING AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS. AND THIS CODE UPDATE WILL REALLY ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT, THE OTHER PROCEDURAL CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS THAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE MAY BE ACCEPTED BY JUST THE CITY ENGINEER. AND SO I'LL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A FEW SLIDES IN A FUTURE AHEAD OF THIS. SO JUST REAL QUICK TO INFORM YOU AND BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ABOUT THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. 
          SO SUBDIVISIONS TODAY, THIS IS A BRIEF AND DEFINITION ON OCCURS AND IS DEFINED AS ANY TIME YOU SPLIT A PARCEL THAT RESULTS IN FIVE ACRES OR LESS. SO IF YOU HAVE A PARCEL AND YOU WANT TO SPLIT THAT IN TWO, IF ANY ONE OF THOSE TWO PARCELS IS LESS THAN FIVE ACRES, THEN THAT'S CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION PER CODE. AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S A SUBDIVISION? WELL, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE PLATTED. SO WHAT IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE? WELL, THAT'S ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, WE SEE. SO THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM STREETS TO SANITARY LINES TO WATER TO STORM LANDSCAPING, STREET LIGHTING AND ALSO PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE AS WELL ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS THAT COME ALONG. 
          IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST SPLITTING A LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT COMES ALONG AND IS A REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THAT SUBDIVISION THAT MEETS THAT DEFINITION. SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE TONIGHT? SO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE CREATING A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION OR A 200 LOT 
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SUBDIVISION. THERE'S NO TEARS. EVERYBODY IS TREATED THE SAME AND HAS THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT PLANNING REQUIREMENTS. AND SO, SINCE IT IS AGAIN A SUBDIVISION THAT PLANNING REQUIRES A HIRING OF AN ENGINEER. SO IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS. IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST COMING IN HERE AND FILLING OUT PAPERWORK THAT ADDS MORE TIME AND EXPENSE. AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THAT OF THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE BEING CREATED. AND WE ALSO SEE, AS A RESULT OF REQUIRING PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE FOR THESE SMALL, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, TWO LOT SUBDIVISIONS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PLACE IT, BUT IT RESULTS IN PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE THAT REALLY AREN'T MEANINGFUL TO THE COMMUNITY. WE DO HAVE STANDARDS IN OUR CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE REALLY TECHNICAL CRITERIA THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD LOOKS AT TO MAKE SURE IT'S MEANINGFUL NOT ONLY TO THAT SUBDIVISION, BUT ALSO TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THAT'S HARD TO ACHIEVE WITH JUST A TWO, THREE, FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION. AND THEN LASTLY, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S OVERLY BURDENSOME TO PROPERTY OWNERS. AGAIN, FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, BOTH COST AND TIME AND EXPECTATIONS, JUST DUE TO THE SMALL CONSTRAINT OF THESE SMALLER ONES. SO THE PROPOSED SOLUTION IS THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. SO THIS WOULD BE, APPROVED BY JUST THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THEIR DESIGNEE. SO IT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE OR STAFF APPROVAL , IT SAYS THAT NO PLAT IS REQUIRED. SO AGAIN STAFF COULD JUST COME IN AND ESSENTIALLY DO IT THROUGH A LOT SPLIT APPLICATION, THE PARAMETERS ON THIS THOUGH IS AND THIS IS WE'VE DONE RESEARCH IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND WE ACTUALLY ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL MINOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISIONS. AND SO WE TOOK A PAGE OUT OF THAT PLAYBOOK. AND SO A LOT OF WE'RE DOING FOR MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, WE'RE ALREADY DOING TODAY FOR MINOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISIONS. AND THAT INCLUDES SAYING NO MORE THAN FIVE LOTS ARE CREATED, THIS WOULD NOT REQUIRE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, IT ALSO HAS THIS CRITERIA THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T CREATE ANY PUBLIC ROADS AS PART OF IT. SO IF YOU WANT TO DO A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, BUT YOU WANT TO PUT IN A PUBLIC STREETS, THEN THAT AUTOMATICALLY KICKS IT OUT TO THE FULL SUBDIVISION, REQUIREMENT AND THAT PLANNING PROCESS. AND WE ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE OTHER ZONING AND APPLICABLE REGULATIONS THAT STILL APPLY TO THESE MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. SO YOU'RE NOT SCREENING ANY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT EXIST TODAY. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY STANDARDS. WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR HOW THOSE LOTS ARE CREATED. AND SO FOLKS WILL STILL HAVE TO INSTALL LEISURE TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS WHERE APPLICABLE, I GUESS EITHER OR AND THEN STREET TREES AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET TYPICAL LOT SIZE AND FRONTAGE STANDARDS AS WELL, BASED ON THE ZONING OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND SO JUST REAL QUICK, I HAVE A FEW EXAMPLES OF HOW THAT WILL WORK OUT IN REAL LIFE. AND SO I PICKED JUST TWO RANDOM LOTS. THESE AREN'T PEOPLE OR PROPERTY OWNERS. I CANDIDLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO OWNS THESE PROPERTIES. THEY JUST KIND OF FIT THE BILL. AND SO THEY MAKE FOR A GOOD EXAMPLE. SO THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF HARLEM ROAD, IT'S A FOUR ACRE LOT. AND IT'S ZONED R1. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP LEFT, THE R1 ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED, R1 SAYS THERE'S A MINIMUM LOT AREA OF ONE ACRE AND THERE'S A MINIMUM LOT FRONTAGE OF 150FT. SO THIS PARCEL, AGAIN, IS FOUR ACRES IN SIZE AND HAS 350FT OF FRONTAGE. SO IF THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION IS ADOPTED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FOUR ACRES, THEY STILL COULDN'T SPLIT IT INTO FOUR LOTS. AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE THE LOT FRONTAGE CONSTRAINS THE AMOUNT OF LOTS THAT CAN BE CREATED. SO EVEN THOUGH ACREAGE WISE, THEY COULD PURELY IN THAT SENSE DO MORE, THEY ACTUALLY COULDN'T. THEY'D BE LIMITED TO MAXIMUM OF TWO LOTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LOT FRONTAGE FOR ADDITIONAL LOTS. AND SO IF THEY WANTED TO PUT MORE THAN TWO LOTS THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED PER THAT FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT, THEY'D HAVE HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE FROM ONE OF THE BOARD OF ZONING, OR PROBABLY FROM BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, OR THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS TO ADD THAT DENSITY AS WELL. ONE OTHER EXAMPLE IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF KITZMILLER ROAD. SO THIS IS AN AG LOT. SO THE AG LOTS HAVE A MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES IN SIZE AND A MINIMUM LOT FRONTAGE OF 200FT. SO IN THIS CASE THIS WOULD MAKE NO CHANGE IF WE ADOPT THIS MINOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION. THE REASON BEING IS THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ACREAGE. SO THE ZONING TODAY SAYS, YOU KNOW, EACH LOT HAS TO BE MINIMUM FIVE. SO IF THEY WERE TO SPLIT THIS LOT THEY COULDN'T ACHIEVE FIVE ACRES FOR EACH LOT. SO THIS MINOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION REALLY MAKES FOR NO CHANGE IN THESE INSTANCES, EVEN THOUGH IN THIS CASE, RIGHT, THEY HAVE ENOUGH FRONTAGE BUT NOT ENOUGH ACREAGE. SO THIS IS JUST TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE GOT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD THIS CREATE A LOT OF NEW LOTS? YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH AND DONE THIS CALCULATION FOR EVERY PARCEL IN THE CITY. BUT THERE 
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ARE A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS THAT EXIST TODAY THAT STILL APPLY. SO WE WOULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WHERE LOTS COULD BE SPLIT BASED ON THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THEY COULD DO IT THROUGH THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION INSTEAD OF PLATTING. BUT ALL OF THE VESTED REQUIREMENTS AND RIGHTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY, DON'T CHANGE AS PART OF THIS PROCEDURAL CHANGE. CAN YOU BACK UP ONE SLIDE? OKAY. SO THIS THIS EXAMPLE THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS, MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE AND THIS IS A FOUR ACRE LOT, BUT THE REASON IT CAN'T BE SPLIT IS THE MINIMUM FRONTAGE OF 150FT. YEAH. SORRY. 
          NOT IN FOUR. IT CAN BE SPLIT INTO TWO, BUT NOT TWO. YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. 
          WHAT'S THE RATIONALE OF 150FT? IF YOU WANTED TO. I MEAN, IF YOU PUT A SHARED DRIVE AISLE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, LIKE, YEAH, WHAT DO WE CARE. SO THOSE FRONTAGES ARE BASED ON THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. SO WE HAVE OUR ONES, OUR TWOS OR THREES, OUR FOURS. 
          AND AS THE NUMBER GETS LARGER SO DOES THE LOT GETS SMALLER. SO IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IN R4 ALLOWS FOR A LOT MORE DENSITY THAN R1. SO THE LOT SIZE GETS SMALLER. AND THE LOT FRONTAGE. 
          SO REALLY THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT IS THAT IT CHANGES THE DENSITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THAT AREA. AND THEN JUST ONE ONE QUESTION I HAD IS USING THIS EXAMPLE. LET'S JUST SAY ON THE, FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE MAP ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOT, LET'S JUST SAY THERE WAS A STREAM THAT RAN DOWN THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY, WOULD WOULD WE HAVE ANY SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THAT RIPARIAN AREA IF THAT WAS SPLIT AND DEVELOPED? YEAH, THERE ARE. WE HAVE, TWO CODES THAT COULD APPLY. WE DO HAVE JUST A GENERAL RIPARIAN CORRIDOR BUFFER SO THAT IS, A MINIMUM OF 50FT ON EACH SIDE OF THE CREEK. WE ALSO HAVE ADOPTED OUR FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALSO APPLY, IF IT IS WITHIN 100 YEAR FLOOD ZONE, SO THAT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER STANDARD IN ADDITION TO THESE LOT STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY TO ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY. AND I KNOW WE'VE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, AMENITIZED STREAM CORRIDORS. WOULD THERE BE ANY REQUIREMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, A LEISURE TRAIL CONNECTION, OR IS THAT JUST A BROADER PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD PROJECT? SO THAT WOULD BE A BROADER PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD PROJECT, BUT THE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT ALICIA TRAIL IN THIS CASE WOULD HAVE TO GO ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE, IF THIS WERE TO BE, BUILT UPON AND WE'D ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THE TRAIL WAS ONLY ON ONE SIDE AND WE'D DO THE FEE FOR IN-LIEU. YEAH. THE CODE ENCOURAGES LEISURE TRAILS ALONG STREETS AND CREEK CREEKS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S USUALLY CAUGHT AND DISCUSSED DURING A REZONING PROCESS. BUT CODE, AS IT EXISTS TODAY ONLY TECHNICALLY REQUIRES IT ALONG THOSE STREET FRONTAGES. ALL RIGHT. LAST QUESTION FOR ME. SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, IF THEY CAME THROUGH THE LOT SPLIT, WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS OR IS THAT JUST STAFF APPROVAL. SO IF THEY WENT THROUGH THE MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, THAT WOULD JUST BE STAFF APPROVAL. BUT IF THEY WANTED, IF THEY COULD CHANGE THIS TO R4 BECAUSE OF THE FRONTAGE, THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE NOTHER. YEP. AND THEN THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL REZONING PROCESS OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL. OKAY SORRY, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. NO PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. SO THAT'S OKAY. I HAD THE SAME QUESTION. IS THAT, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEN DID YOU SAY YOU'VE DONE AN ANALYSIS THEN OF THE CITY TO SEE ABOUT HOW MANY R1 EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE? NO WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. WE WERE ASKED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, THERE'S I, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARCELS THERE. WE THINK, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF HOURS TO DO THAT IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE NUMBER WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, I DON'T FEEL IT'D BE AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT. CURRENTLY WE KNOW OF ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S INTERESTED IN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. OKAY, I CAN THINK OF A HANDFUL OF THEM. 
          I YEAH, I KNOW OF ONE AS WELL. BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WOULD WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE FRONTAGE. YEAH. NOW THAT I SEE THIS, OKAY. JUST KIND OF. THEY KIND OF. THERE'S A MARRIAGE BETWEEN THE ZONING AND THE FRONTAGE REALLY LIMITS THE APPLICATION OF THIS TO SITUATIONS WHERE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. OKAY AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THIS UPDATE IS TO REFLECT OUR CURRENT, PROCEDURES AND WORKFLOW THAT HAPPENS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. SO TYPICALLY AFTER A PROPERTY IS SUBDIVIDED, THEY GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY HAVE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND AFTER THAT POINT IS REALLY WHEN CONSTRUCTION STARTS. SO A LOT OF THE RED LINE TEXT YOU SEE IN THAT EXHIBIT IS JUST TO REFLECT THIS FLOW CHART, TO MATCH OUR CURRENT PRACTICES. THAT HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL, IN THE CITY HISTORICALLY. SO SO THE TYPICAL 
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SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PROCESS IS THAT AFTER APPROVAL OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEN THEN THE APPLICANT GOES TOWARDS ENGINEERING PLAN REVIEW. AND SO THAT IS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY CITY STAFF, TYPICALLY CONCURRENTLY OR ABOUT THE SAME TIME THEY HAVE TO THE APPLICANT HAS TO CREATE A FINAL PLAT. AND THAT'S REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. ONCE THOSE ITEMS ARE DONE, THAT'S WHEN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION STARTS OF OUR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. SO DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, AN EXTENSION OF CITIES, ENGINEERING STAFF IS CONSTANTLY OUT THERE IN THE FIELD DOING MEASUREMENTS, MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE STREETS AND PIPES AND, AND ALL THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, IS INSTALLED PER THE APPROVED PLAN IS, BY THE CITY STAFF. SO THAT'S REFLECTED HERE ONCE EVERYTHING IS CONSTRUCTED AND IN THE GROUND, AND WE AS THE CITY STAFF AND OUR CITY ENGINEER SAYS, OKAY, EVERYTHING'S DONE, YOU ARE NOW READY TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FORMAL ACCEPTANCE. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT INSTEAD OF CITY COUNCIL DOING THE ACCEPTANCE PART, THAT WOULD ALSO BE DONE BY THE CITY ENGINEER. SO ALL THE SAME, INSPECTIONS AND APPROVALS ARE STILL REQUIRED AHEAD OF THAT. THIS WOULD JUST REMOVE, THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING, AN ORDINANCE FOR THE FORMAL ACCEPTANCE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WE WOULD REPORT BACK ANNUALLY TO CITY COUNCIL, TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN REVIEWED, APPROVED AND ACCEPTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER SO YOU GUYS CAN KEEP TABS ON THAT. AND I THINK THAT IS, I KNOW THAT'S SORT OF BRIEF, BUT THAT'S, IS THE OVERALL GENERAL CONTENT OF THE LAST UPDATE OF THIS CODE. AND YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE? NO, I THINK SIMPLIFYING THE PROCESS FOR THAT MAKES SENSE, AND MAINLY BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANY REZONING CHANGES THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PLANNING COMMISSION, COUNCIL AND EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'D BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS A REZONING APPLICATION THAN KIND OF WHAT YOU PROPOSED HERE. SO I THINK THAT MAKES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE AND WE'LL SET THAT FOR THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING OR MEETING ON JULY SECOND. ORDINANCE. OH 21 2020 FOR AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE NEW ALBANY VILLAGE CENTER URBAN CENTER FORM CODE OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. CODIFIED ORDINANCES. THANK YOU SO, AS STEVE KIND OF ALLUDED TO, OUR DEPARTMENT REGULAR EXAMINES OUR CODE TO IDENTIFY ANY ISSUES THAT THAT MAY EXIST, AND PRIORITIZE AMENDING CODE WHERE APPROPRIATE, TO MATCH, CURRENT PRACTICES. SO ON THE OUTSET FOR THIS, THIS CODE CHANGE, I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS IS MORE WE DO THIS MORE AS AN UPDATE. IT IS, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY GOING BEFORE YOU AS A CODE CHANGE. BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, MORE OF AN UPDATE TO OUR PROCESS. SO I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE ENTIRE ISSUE AND SOLUTION. BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE HERE AND PRESENT THESE TO THINGS TO YOU ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PRESENTATION. SO THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE CURRENT URBAN CENTER CODE RESULTS IN REQUIRING TWO PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE REGULATIONS TO BE APPLIED WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE PROPOSED SOLUTION IS THAT THE URBAN CENTER CODE BE UPDATED SO THAT A SINGLE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT APPLIES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL. SO IN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE ARE PROVIDED. AND THAT IS DEPENDENT ON THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF A PROPERTY. SO FOR PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER, THOSE ARE ALL ZONED, WHICH WHAT WE CALL PLANNING SCHOOL, A TRADITIONAL EUCLIDEAN ZONING DISTRICT WHERE FOR THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT APPLY THAT HELP PROVIDE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. AND I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT HERE IN A SECOND INSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER , WE HAVE A PSEUDO FORM BASED CODE WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE URBAN CENTER CODE, WHERE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE IS PROVIDED AND OUR LAND IS DESIGNATED TO BE, PARKLAND OPEN SPACE IN THE FORM OF A ZONING DISTRICT. SO FIRST, WE'LL GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ON THE URBAN CENTER CODE AND HOW PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE IS PROVIDED AS A ZONING DISTRICT. 
          SO AS I MENTIONED, THE URBAN CENTER CODE IS A PSEUDO FORM BASED CODE THAT APPLIES TO ALL THE AREAS IN COLOR. THIS IS OUR VILLAGE CENTER, THE, THE THIS CODE PROVIDES REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS FOR PERMITTED USES AND BUILDING TYPOLOGIES INSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND DIFFERENT USES AND BUILDING TYPOLOGIES ARE PERMITTED BASED ON THE SUBJECT DISTRICT THAT 
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YOU'RE LOCATED IN, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SIDE OF THE SCREEN. WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THE URBAN CENTER CODE, IT IS UNLIKE ANY OTHER AREA OR ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT IN THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT WE PLAN FOR PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE AT A MORE MACRO LEVEL. AND THE VILLAGE CENTER AND PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE AREAS ARE ACTUALLY DESIGNATED AS ZONING DISTRICTS, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SOME OF THE YOU TRY TO POINT THESE OUT, BUT THE MORE NOTABLE PARKLAND OPEN SPACE AREA IS SWICKARD WOODS UP HERE IS ZONED PARKS, PARKLAND AND OPEN OUR PARKS AND PRESERVATION, WITHIN THE PARKS AND RECREATION SUBDISTRICT OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE ROSE RUN HERE, ANOTHER LOCAL PLAYGROUND. WINDSOR PLAYGROUND IS RIGHT HERE. THAT'S ALSO UNDER THE PARKS AND PRESERVATION ZONING DISTRICT. SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF SOMEONE WERE TO PURCHASE PROPERTY AND THEIR PROPERTY WAS LOCATED IN THE GREEN OR THE PARKS AND PRESERVATION SUBDISTRICT, THAT LAND IS ONLY PERMITTED TO BE USED, FOR THAT PURPOSE, IF A PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO USE IT FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO REZONE THE LAND, TO GET THAT TO BE CHANGED. SO FOR ALL PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF OUR VILLAGE CENTER, IT IS AGAIN A EUCLIDEAN USE BASED ZONING CLASSIFICATION. SO AGAIN, THIS APPLIES TO ALL OTHER PROPERTY IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, THE, ALL OF THESE EUCLIDEAN SPACE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE LOCATED ON THE SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, BUT SOME EXAMPLES ARE ONE, OFFICE CAMPUS DISTRICT, ALL OF OUR PUD ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          THAT'S IT. THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF EUCLIDEAN IN, USE SPACE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS. SO IN OUR CITY CODE, WE ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE OR IN THE EUCLIDEAN CITY CODE, WE DO NOT HAVE, A PARKS AND PRESERVATION DISTRICT. SO BECAUSE OF THIS WE ACTUALLY HAVE PROVIDED OUR IN THESE EUCLIDEAN USE BASED ZONING DISTRICTS, PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACES PROVIDED VIA DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE FOUND IN CODE SECTION 1165. AND THESE CODE STANDARDS ACTUALLY WILL BE VERY FAMILIAR TO YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MOST COMMON WAY THAT PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACES PROVIDED, AS PART OF PART AS PART OF RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS PART OF A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE IS PROVIDED IN, OUR TWO METRICS. SO FOR PARKLAND, 2400FT■!S OF PARKLAND MUST BE DEDICATED PER DWELLING UNIT. IN ADDITION, 20% OF THE OVERALL GROSS DEVELOPED AREA MUST BE DEVELOPED AS OPEN SPACE. SO SOME EXAMPLES, MORE RECENT EXAMPLES OF THIS, THAT MAY BE FAMILIAR TO YOU GUYS LIKE THE COURTYARDS AT HAYNES CREEK SUBDIVISION THAT RECENTLY CAME THROUGH WOODHAVEN. AND, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST RECENT SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE HAD, WHERE THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HAVE APPLIED. SO, COMING BACK TO THE ISSUE THAT WE FOUND IN OUR URBAN CENTER CODE, OUR URBAN CENTER CODE DOES NOT CLEARLY, EXEMPT OR DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ZONING DISTRICT DESIGNATIONS OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE AND, THE RELATIONSHIP TO CITY CODE AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND CITY CODE FOR PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE AND STRICT INTERPRETATION ON, OF THE WAY THAT THE URBAN CENTER CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN WOULD MEAN THAT PROPERTIES INSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE PARKS AND PRESERVATION ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATIONS. IN ADDITION TO THOSE, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE THE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE THAT'S LISTED AS A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD IN OUR CITY CODE, BECAUSE THE URBAN CENTER CODE DOES NOT CLEARLY TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO REGULATIONS. SO WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE, WE WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND. I'M SURE EVERYONE'S WELL AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY AND THE OVERALL GOALS AND VISION FOR OUR VILLAGE CENTER, BUT JUST WANTED TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT. SO THIS IS AN IMAGE FROM THE 2005 VILLAGE CENTER STRATEGIC PLAN. OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS BEEN UPDATED, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WITH, ITERATIONS OF OUR OVERALL ENGAGE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. BUT THIS WAS THE, YOU KNOW, GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER. BACK IN 2005, AS YOU CAN SEE, I THINK, LOTS OF PEOPLE SHOULD GIVE THEMSELVES PATS IN THE BACK, BUT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT THE VILLAGE CENTER AND PLANNED PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE AT THE MACRO LEVEL, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT IT ON A SITE BY SITE BASIS, WHICH IS KIND OF HOW IT'S DONE IN CITY CODE WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO AGAIN, THIS IS 2005, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WHAT HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AS A COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, SWICKARD WOODS IS IN PLACE TODAY. THE ODOT WETLANDS ARE IN PLACE TODAY, ROSE RUN, YOU KNOW, ROSE RUN PHASE TWO AND FUTURE PHASES ARE ALSO SHOWN, ON THIS MAP, SO, YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A WHOLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY 
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PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE IS REALLY MEANT TO BE PROVIDED AT THIS MACRO LEVEL SCALE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THIS VERY DENSE, YOU KNOW, URBAN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF INTERACTION AND SYNERGY ON THE STREETS BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE CAN SEE AND AS, AS THE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, THOSE PARKLAND OPEN SPACES REALLY WOVEN INTO AND CONNECTING OUR VILLAGE CENTER TOGETHER AND A REALLY UNIQUE WAY . I THINK THE ONE THING I JUST WANT TO HIT ON HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED IT, I APOLOGIZE IF I DID, BUT YOU KNOW, WE THE ISSUE GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE HERE, THE ABILITY TO, TO MEET THE OVERALL INTENT OF WHAT THE VILLAGE CENTER IS SUPPOSED TO BE WOULD REALLY BE COMPROMISED IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO APPLY TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE URBAN CENTER CODE, THE ZONING DISTRICTS WERE NOT YOU KNOW, DESIGNED ON PURPOSE OR NOT DESIGNED BY HAPPENSTANCE OR THE PLACEMENT OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT SWICKARD WOODS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA MATCHES, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ENVISIONED BACK IN 2005, FOR THIS SPACE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL INTENT WAS TO, TO LOOK AT THIS AT THE MACRO SCALE, FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A WHOLE INSTEAD OF AS A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD ON A PIECE BY PIECE BASIS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY CODE CHANGE THAT WE DO, WE LIKE TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, IS OUT OF LINE OR IS IN LINE WITH BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SO HERE ARE SOME STATISTICS FOR YOU ABOUT THE VILLAGE CENTER IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND SOME STANDARDS, IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF THE NATION. SO INTER VILLAGE CENTER, THERE ARE 94 ACRES OF PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS A LOT, THAT IS JUST OVER 13% OF OUR TOTAL VILLAGE CENTER AREA BY COMPARISON, 9.5% OF THE ENTIRE CITY, LOOKING AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE, IS PARKED IN AN OPEN SPACE. SO, THERE IS A NATIONAL, THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION, PROVIDES SOME METRICS THAT, FOR, COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND DIFFERENT PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE BENCHMARKS TO KIND OF GRADE YOURSELF AGAINST, SO IN COMMUNITIES OF A SIMILAR SIZE, THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 13 ACRES OF PARKLAND BEING PROVIDED PER 1000 RESIDENTS, WITH AN UPPER QUARTILE OF 21 ACRES BEING PROVIDED FOR EVERY 1000 RESIDENTS. APPLYING THIS METRIC TO NEW ALBANY, THERE ARE 85 ACRES OF PARKLAND FOR EVERY 1000 RESIDENTS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND 96 ACRES FOR THE VILLAGE AS A WHOLE, OR FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, SO, AND ENSURE WE'RE KIND OF BLOWING THE COMPETITION OUT OF THE WATER NATIONWIDE, SIGNIFICANTLY, SO WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THOSE STATISTICS TO YOU. WE DID WORKSHOP THIS CODE CHANGE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. THE SCREEN IS REALLY HARD TO SEE. I'M REALLY SORRY, BUT I HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ABLE TO READ THROUGH YOUR EXHIBIT, TO THE RED LINE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE URBAN CENTER CODE. SO THERE'S ONE ADDITION HERE THAT JUST, CLEARLY STATES THAT, THE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER ARE EXEMPT FROM MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF 1165. AND THEN WE DO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS HERE TO HELP EVALUATE OR ALLOW OR GIVE, GIVE TOOLS TO OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO HELP THEM EVALUATE FUTURE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WE DO HAVE A BASELINE BENCHMARK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME FORM OF OPEN SPACE. 
          THIS IS WHAT I'M READING WITH THIS. THIS SAYS HERE SOME FORM OF OPEN SPACE SHALL BE PROVIDED WITHIN 1200 LINEAR FEET OF ALL RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT A FIVE MILE WALK, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD, NATIONAL, NATIONALLY ACCEPTED, LIKE BEST PRACTICE FOR PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE ACCESSIBILITY, AND THEN THERE'S A QUALIFYING SENTENCE HERE AT THE END THAT YOU CAN'T READ, BUT, IT SAYS THAT THESE OPEN SPACES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER SHALL BE, YOU KNOW, ARRANGED AND PROGRAMED IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IT'S LOCATED IN, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE. 
          PRETTY QUIET, I KNOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE. SO AS THE DENSITY IN THE VILLAGE CENTER INCREASES, WHICH IT WILL, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE RATIO OF PARKLAND, AND DOES THIS HAVE ANY IMPACT, 
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ON ON THE RATIO OF PARKLAND THAT CAN BE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AS PER BY UNIT WHEN YOU BUY PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT? NO, I THINK THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE NATIONAL STANDARDS, WE'RE FAR EXCEEDING, ANY OTHER COMMUNITY OF OUR SIZE, CERTAINLY I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IN A MORE URBAN OR, YOU KNOW, COMPACT TOWN CENTER, YOU KNOW, 94 ACRES AS IT EXISTS TODAY, IS REALLY, REALLY SIGNIFICANT AND SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY, VERY PROUD OF, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN MORE CAN'T BE DEVELOPED. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER WILL JUST GO UP IF RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE DEVELOPED, AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S I THINK SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ALSO HAD SIMILAR FEELINGS. AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT SOME MORE OF THESE QUALIFYING SENTENCES HERE, THESE TOOLS RATHER TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, GRADE AND EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE SPACES ARE PROVIDED AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, WHAT ARE IN THOSE SPACES TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, AS THE POPULATION GROWS, WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THEM. AS MY, MY CONCERN WOULD BE SO WE HAVE THE ROSE RUN CORRIDOR. LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYTHING BEHIND CVS AND, MAYBE MORE DEVELOPMENT BEHIND THE HEIGHT CENTER. 
          WHEREVER THAT DEVELOPMENT INCREASES, IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THAT GREEN SPACE, THE ROSE RUN, GREEN SPACE . IF WE'RE NOT OFFSETTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE DENSITY. THAT'S PART OF THE VILLAGE CENTER THAT IS GOING THAT THAT SPACE MIGHT BE IN HIGH DEMAND. AND AND, AND WE'RE NOT ADDING TO IT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT. AND I'LL LET OTHER STAFF MEMBERS SPEAK TO YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING AND FUTURE PHASES OF ROSE RUN OR OTHER AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY BEING OVERWHELMED WITH PARKLAND, OPEN SPACE AREAS. I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS AS WE DEVELOP IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE, THOSE, THOSE SPACES ARE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF DISTANCE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT STANDARD IN THERE THAT EVERY HOME NEEDS TO OR EVERY RESIDENTIAL UNIT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF A PARK AND OPEN SPACE AREA. OKAY, CAN I ASK? I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT IN A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT WAY. SO IF WE DO GET THAT DEVELOPMENT, BEHIND CVS AND THAT WHOLE SECTION AND I'M FINE WITH THE ONE CODE, I MEAN, THAT MAKES SENSE. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO HAVE TWO, TWO CODES FOR PARKLAND, WILL WILL THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE THINGS LIKE ROSE RUN TWO ACCEPTABLE TO MEET FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, OR DOES THAT DEVELOPMENT THEN HAVE TO MEET GREEN SPACE, NOT INCLUDING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE? BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY SAID WE'RE EXCEEDING, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL LEVELS AND GREEN SPACE. WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF IT. BUT WILL THAT HAVE TO BE IN ADDITION TO THE, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S GOING IN, MAYBE IN THOSE OPEN SPACES? IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF A, IF A DEVELOPMENT WERE TO GO, YOU KNOW, BEHIND CVS OR ANYWHERE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AND IT WAS YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL MIX WAS PROPOSED THERE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IN THE MARKET, BUT CERTAINLY AS THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, SOME FORM OF OPEN AND ACTIVE SPACE, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, COURTYARD OR PATIO SPACE, WE WOULD NOT DISCOURAGE IT. WE WOULD WE WOULD ENCOURAGE IT. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROBABLY ENCOURAGE THAT AS WELL, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. THAT WAS MY CONCERN. YEAH. THAT THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PIECE IN THERE WHERE I WOULD LIKE IT. AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT COUNCILMAN FELLOWS WAS SAYING AS WELL. OKAY I THINK IT BECOMES MORE A MATTER OF WHAT THE URBAN CENTER CODE DESIGN. RIGHT. LIKE WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE. WE WANT TO STILL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING AND EXCEEDING THE NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE PARK AND OPEN SPACE TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING THE VILLAGE CENTER, WHICH WHICH COULD HAVE MORE DENSITY AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONTEMPLATED, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE EVALUATING PROJECTS, IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WAY AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SPACES ARE PROVIDED IN A MORE DESIGNED WAY. AND THAT HAVE HAVE MORE MEANINGFUL APPLICATION TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT JUST MEETING THIS PER SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT, BUT ARE WE CREATING COURTYARDS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBILITY? ARE THEY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? ARE THEY CONNECTING TO OTHER OPEN SPACES? ARE THERE OR IS THERE AN ENHANCEMENT OF SOME OF THESE LARGER AREAS, RIGHT, THAT ARE SHOWN WITHIN THAT HAVEN'T BEEN REALIZED YET? BECAUSE IN SOME WAYS WE HAVE THESE PARK ZONES, BUT HAVE THOSE AREAS BEEN DEDICATED TO THE CITY? DO THEY EXIST? ARE THEY PROTECTED? AND THEY, FORMALIZED AS PART OF THAT PLAN. SO THIS ALLOWS US, I THINK, THE FLEXIBILITY TO OBTAIN THE DESIGN AND ESTHETIC THAT WE WANT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IN ORDER TO HAVE BETTER MARKETABILITY, BUT ALSO FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, APPLY THE CODE SECTION THAT'S RELEVANT RUNNING ROSE RUN ALL 
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THE WAY UP TO GANTT WILL BE A VERY NICE ASSET. AND TO SUPPORT THE VILLAGE CENTERS, INCREASED DENSITY AND. THAT'S WORTH NOTING . THIS IS, A RENDERING FROM 2005. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. JUST YEAH, A LOT OF GROWTH SINCE THEN . 0808, YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S SOME A FAIR AMOUNT OF DENSITY ON THAT, ON THAT DIAGRAM IN 2005, THAT DIDN'T GET BUILT, GET REALIZED. YEAH. ALMOST CAN'T FIND GANTON UP THERE. THERE'S SO MUCH DENSITY. YEAH. OKAY THAT'S NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SHOWN LAST NIGHT. AGAIN, A LITTLE DIFFERENT. A LITTLE DIFFERENT PLAN FOR THE RECORD. THAT'S RIGHT. FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING THAT IS 2000. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ORDINANCE? OH 21 OKAY, CHRIS, AGAIN, THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE, BUT, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GET THIS STUFF UPDATED. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SET THAT FOR PUBLIC, FOR SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR MEETING ON JULY 2ND. ORDINANCE. OH 22 2024 AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A TAX BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, OHIO, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2025. RESPONSE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES THE ADOPTION OF THE 2025 TAX BUDGET, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE OHIO REVISED CODE AND THE FRANKLIN COUNTY BUDGET COMMISSION. FRANKLIN COUNTY CHOOSES TO USE THE TAX BUDGET AS A TOOL TO ESTABLISH THE LOCAL NEED FOR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE DERIVED FROM THE INSIDE MILLAGE. OTHER COUNTIES, AS AS A REMINDER, SUCH AS LICKING IN DELAWARE, HAVE ELIMINATED THIS REQUIREMENT AND USE OTHER TOOLS TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNTS, SET FOR INSIDE MILLAGE. SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE TAX BUDGET IS HOUSEKEEPING IN NATURE AND ENABLES THE CITY TO REMAIN COMPLIANT WITH THE ORC. AND THAT IS AS IS APPLIED IN FRANKLIN COUNTY, THE TAX BUDGET ITSELF IS INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE AS AN ATTACHMENT. THIS DOCUMENT IS USED TO SHOW THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL INSIDE MILLAGE WE'VE REQUESTED, AND HAVE BEEN GRANTED EACH YEAR. THAT ADDITIONAL MILLAGE REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY $612,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND THE RESOLUTION OPTION, FOR THAT EXCESS MILLAGE WILL BE CONSIDERED LATER THIS EVENING. THE REVENUE AND EXPENSE ESTIMATES ARE HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE. INCOME TAX ESTIMATES TO FINISH 2024 HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED BASED ON YEAR TO DATE RECEIPTS, WHICH INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN RECEIPTS TO DATE. HOWEVER THAT SAME REVENUE HAS BEEN CONSERVATIVELY REDUCED FOR 2025, WHICH CORRELATES WITH EFFORTS TO ACCOUNT FOR CONTINUED UNKNOWNS RELATED TO WITHHOLDING FOR REMOTE WORKERS AND POTENTIAL LIABILITY FOR INCOME TAX REFUNDS, AND THE POTENTIAL VOLATILITY OF INDIVIDUAL NET PROFIT TAXES. EXPENDITURES WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND ARE ALSO CONSERVATIVELY ESTIMATED TO ACCOUNT FOR INCREASING COSTS AND OPERATIONS. AS OUR STAFF AND PROJECTS CONTINUE TO GROW. IN ADDITION TO MAINTAINING SUBSTANTIAL TRANSFERS TO CAPITAL FUNDS HELD FOR FUTURE LIABILITIES AND CERTAIN OPERATING FUNDS AS MORE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THESE ESTIMATES AND WILL INCLUDE A MORE UPDATED ANALYSIS WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THE PREPARATION OF THE 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET PROGRAM IN THE FALL, SORRY, I LOST MY PLACE. THE ATTACHMENT TO THE LEGISLATION INCLUDES VARIOUS SCHEDULES BEYOND THE GENERAL FUND INFORMATION, INCLUDING MOST NOTABLY EXHIBIT THREE, WHICH IS PROJECTED FUND BALANCES FOR ALL OF THE FUNDS AND THEN ALSO EXHIBIT FIVE, WHICH DETAILS OUR OUTSTANDING DEBT THAT IS RELATED TO THE INSIDE MILLAGE, WITHIN THE PROJECTED FUND BALANCES PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL CAPITAL FUNDS ARE PRESENTED AS FULLY EXPENDED TO SHOW ADDITIONAL NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTED MILLAGE. HOWEVER, AS CAPITAL PROGRAMS, AS THE CAPITAL PROGRAM IS APPROVED AND AMENDED EACH YEAR, THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNTS WILL BE EXPENDED ACCORDING TO THOSE, APPROVED BUDGETS. THE TAX BUDGET IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY JULY 15TH AND SUBMITTED TO FRANKLIN COUNTY BY JULY 20TH. ONCE ADOPTED, THE TAX BUDGET WILL BE FORWARDED TO FRANKLIN COUNTY AND THE BUDGET COMMISSION WILL SET THE MILLAGE WITH APPROVAL AND OFFICIAL CERTIFICATE WILL BE CREATED AND A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING AMOUNTS AND RATES WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED IN THE FALL. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ON THE NUMBERS, I'M, I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE AVAILABLE. I JUST HAVE ONE GENERAL QUESTION ON YOUR EXHIBIT THREE. IF I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE STREETS, TIFF, OXFORD, 
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TIFF, AND YOU KNOW WHERE IT HAS, ESTIMATED UNENCUMBERED BALANCE OF ZERO. THAT'S JUST THAT JUST MEANS THAT THE FUNDS THAT WERE COLLECTED IN THE TIFF BASICALLY ARE BEING USED UP FOR THAT YEAR. 
          DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE TIPS OVER. CORRECT? CORRECT SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE STRAITS FARM TIFF, THE OXFORD, THE SCHLEPPY RESIDENTIAL AND THE VILLAGE CENTER TO TWO TIFF HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN THE TIPS THAT WE HAVE LOANS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND SO WE PAY EVERYTHING OUT THAT WE HAVE OUT OF THOSE FUNDS EACH YEAR. OKAY THANKS. AND CERTAINLY WE KNOW WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE OUR TAX BUDGET AS A CAREFUL PREDICTION OF THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S JUST THAT, OUR IT'S NOT OUR FINAL BUDGET. IT IS NOT. IT IS, IT'S AN ESTIMATE, WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. OKAY. I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER TONIGHT ABOUT THE TAX BUDGET. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SET THAT FOR SECOND READING OR PUBLIC HEARING 
          [11. RESOLUTIONS AND PUBLIC HEARING]
ON JULY 2ND, MOVING ON TO RESOLUTIONS OF PUBLIC HEARING IF, UNLESS THERE'S A STRENUOUS OBJECTION, CAN WE TAKE ABOUT A TEN MINUTE RECESS TO REFUEL AND COME BACK FOR THE REST OF THE AGENDA? SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. CLERK MASON, WE ARE RECESS AT 8:27 P.M, JULY. AT 1030 RIGHT N, COUNCIL GRAY, WE WILL BE RESUMING AT PERFECT STOP. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA IS RESOLUTION TO PUBLIC HEARING RESOLUTION R 26, 2024. A RESOLUTION DECLARING INTENT TO APPROPRIATE PROPERTY AND EASEMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF MAKING, REPAIRING, IMPROVING OR CONSTRUCTING GREEN CHAPEL ROAD NORTHWEST. PHASE TWO AS EXTENDED TO JOIN WITH INTERSECTING ROADS WHICH ARE STILL AND SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE. WHO'S TALKING ABOUT ROADS? I AM MR. BRYSON. IN MY SPACE, OKAY, SO THIS RESOLUTION DECLARES THE INTENT TO APPROPRIATE THE FEE. SIMPLE INTEREST AND EASEMENTS TO THE PROPERTIES ALONG THIS ROADWAY CORRIDOR. THIS SEGMENT OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD IS A LOCAL, UNIMPROVED ROADWAY THAT RUNS EAST TO WEST, GENERALLY BETWEEN CLOVER VALLEY ROAD AND US 62, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS JOHNSTOWN ROAD. AN ADJACENT PORTION OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD WAS PREVIOUSLY IMPROVED WITH THE GREEN CHAPEL PHASE ONE PROJECT. THIS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IS NECESSARY TO IMPROVE THE REMAINDER OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD WITH A CONSISTENT ROADWAY DESIGN. THE PLANNED ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WILL ACCOMMODATE IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE AREA. I'M TOLD BY OUR CITY ENGINEER THAT THIS IS THE FINAL RESOLUTION WE INTEND TO BRING TO THESE APPROPRIATIONS, SO WE HAVE REACHED A MILESTONE IN THIS PROJECT, WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IN THIS RESOLUTION MAY BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING. AND AS I RECALL, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE ARE SORT OF ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, OF THE ROADWAY. SO ANY OF THE HOMES ON THE NORTH THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE AS IMPACTED GENERALLY SPEAKING. I MEAN, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE ENGINEERING AND YOU LOOK AT THE WHERE THE DETENTION BASINS ARE GOING TO BE AND THE ALIGNMENT AT 62, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, TOWARDS US 62, SOME, SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO MOVE THE ROAD SLIGHTLY TO THE NORTH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ACCESS. BUT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT IS TO THE SOUTH. AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE, ON THE RECORD AS WELL, THAT WE ARE CLEAR ABOUT THE FACT THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE PASSING THIS RESOLUTION DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT STILL NEGOTIATING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE JUST KNOW THAT IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN APPROPRIATION PROCESS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PROPER LEGISLATION IN PLACE BECAUSE IT TAKES A WHILE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION? THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 26 2024? SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 26, 2024 SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. YEP THANK YOU. ON A SECOND, MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRIS. YES. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRYCE. YES. SEVEN. YES. 
          VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 26 2024. RESOLUTION R 27 2024. A RESOLUTION TO REQUEST THE FRANKLIN COUNTY BUDGET COMMISSION TO GRANT THE .74 MILLS IN AVAILABLE INSIDE MILLAGE TO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. DIRECTOR STOTTS THANK YOU. THIS LEGISLATION IS A 
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COMPANION LEGISLATION TO THE 2025 TAX BUDGET ORDINANCE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. FRANKLIN COUNTY REQUIRES THIS RESOLUTION FOR NEW ALBANY TO RECEIVE THE ADDITIONAL 0.74 INSIDE MILLAGE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE CITY. THE MILLAGE IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $612,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR NEW ALBANY IN 2025, AND ONCE APPROVED, THIS LEGISLATION WILL BE FILED WITH THE WITH FRANKLIN COUNTY, ALONG WITH THE ADOPTED TAX BUDGET, BY JULY 20TH. TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 27, 2024. SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION MOVE ADOPTION OF OUR 27 2024 SECOND. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. BELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISSED. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 27 2024. RESOLUTION R 28 2024. A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE NEW ALBANY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR THE SUPPORT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS. YES. SO OVER THE YEARS, THE CITY HAS TAKEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO THE DELIVERY OF SPECIAL EVENTS WITHIN THE CITY. MOST RECENTLY, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAVE MANAGED AND PRODUCED EVENTS SUCH AS THE 4TH OF JULY PARADE, THE 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL, AND OCTOBER FEST ON THE CITY'S BEHALF. THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT MEMORIALIZES CERTAIN COMMITMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND CHAMBER. IT SETS EXPECTATIONS RELATED TO MARKETING, BUDGETING, HOW TO PROCESS PAYMENTS. AND IT ALSO AFFIRMS THE CITY'S ALCOHOL POLICY RELATED TO EVENTS, THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT HAS A TERM THAT ENDS ON, ON, AT THE END OF 2025. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN YOUR LEGISLATION, PAGE TWO OF THAT AGREEMENT, I WAS A YEAR AHEAD OF MYSELF. SO THAT'S A TYPO ON MY PART, SO IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, WE WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE BEFORE WE SIGN IT AND MAKE THAT TERM TO THE END OF 2025. AND WHILE THE TERM IS, GOES TO THAT TIME FRAME, WE ARE ONLY LOCKED INTO EVENTS AND BUDGETS FOR 2024. THE AGREEMENT SAYS THAT THE CITY, AT THE END OF THE YEAR WILL USE ITS ANNUAL ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGETING PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHICH EVENTS, THEY WANT TO TAKE PLACE NEXT YEAR AND WHAT THOSE BUDGETS WILL BE AND WILL COLLABORATE WITH THE CHAMBER ABOUT THAT, THE CITY STAFF AND CHAMBER HAVE COMMITTED TO INCREASE COLLABORATION IN, AT THE END OF 2024 TO REVIEW, THE SUCCESS OF EVENTS AND TO PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CHAMBER DIRECTOR WAS ON, HAD A COMMITMENT AND WAS UNAVAILABLE TO COME TO THE MEETING TONIGHT. 
          BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR CONVEY ANY FEEDBACK BACK TO THE CHAMBER AS WELL. MAYOR, I, THIS IS THE RESOLUTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE TABLE, SHERRY NELSON WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE AGREEMENT. AND I BELIEVE SHE HAS AGREED TO. COME ON A NEW DATE. IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVE NOT CONFIRMED A NEW DATE WITH HER. WE HAVE NOT CONFIRMED THE NEW DATE YET. OKAY, WELL, I, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE TABLE THIS MOTION UNTIL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AGREEMENT. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT, IT GOES THROUGH THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. WE DO NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE CURRENTLY. WE DO NOT HAVE, SO REALLY THIS, THIS ASSIST SETS EXPECTATION AND IT HELPS THE CITY ON THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE EVENTS TO OPERATE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY WITH THE CHAMBER. I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT. I JUST MAYBE I READ THAT WRONG. SO IF WE ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT, IT'LL BE FOR A FULL UP THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2025. THAT'S CORRECT. THE CURRENT BUDGET'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS YEAR. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN BRISK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YES I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE TABLE RESOLUTION. 
          ASIAN. DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER EIGHT, 28, 28 ARE 28, 20, 24, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, REPRESENTATIVE ON BEHALF OF THE CHAMBER HERE TO DISCUSS THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, WE SHOULD, FOR PROCEDURAL PURPOSES, PICK A DATE, WE TABLED TO A DATE CERTAIN PER COUNCIL RULES, ANYTHING ELSE? TABLING DEFINITELY WOULD KILL IT. SO IF WE CAN JUST PICK THE NEXT DATE. AND IF THAT FAILS, WE CAN RESCHEDULE AGAIN TO A DATE. 
          OKAY, WELL, I, I WILL I'LL, I'LL RESTATE THAT MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TABLE DISCUSSION AND VOTING ON RESOLUTION R 28 2024 UNTIL THE JULY SECOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. I'LL 
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SECOND THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. 
          YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PHELAN'S. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. 
          MAYOR SPALDING. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES. VOTES TO TABLE. RESOLUTION R 2028 TO THE JULY 2ND REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. RESOLUTION R 29 2024. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO AMEND THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACT FOR THE ROSELAND TWO PROJECT DIRECTOR, JOHN THANK YOU. SO THERE ARE TWO MAIN DRIVERS BEHIND THIS LEGISLATION. 
          ONE IS BUILDING UPON THE VETERANS MEMORIAL UPDATE THAT YOU HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT. THE SECOND ONE IS SOME SPACE PLANNING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE RECENTLY, TO PLAN FOR A POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WITHIN THE CIVIC BLOCK OF THE ROSE RUN TWO PROJECT, SO WE DO HAVE A CURRENT CMR CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH MESSER. AND WHEN WE WENT ON OUR PAUSE IN THE FALL, WE SUSPENDED THAT CONTRACT FOR THE TIME BEING. GIVEN THAT THE PROJECT PARAMETERS HAVE CHANGED. WE WORK WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, TO UNDERSTAND THE BEST APPROACH TO AMEND THE CONTRACT TO REFLECT WHAT WE THOUGHT THIS NEW PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE, AND SO THIS RESOLUTION WOULD UPDATE A COUPLE OF PORTIONS OF THE CONTRACT, ONE BEING THE SECTION THAT, THAT DESCRIBES THE PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT, SO THAT WOULD JUST INCLUDE WHAT WE KNOW THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO INCLUDE, AT THIS POINT. SO THAT'S DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S A VETERANS MEMORIAL, A PARKING LOT STREAM ENHANCEMENTS, POTENTIAL BUILDING EXPANSION TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN THE SECOND PHASE OF THE ROSE RUN PARK EXTENSION, AND ALSO WILL ADD IN AN ARCHITECT TO THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THE BUILDING EXPANSION IS USING THE HORNED KING KIM KING KING ARCHITECTURE FIRM FOR THAT PROJECT, THIS WILL UPDATE THE CONTRACT THAT THIS WILL ALLOW US TO PROCEED WITH PLANNING FOR THE PARK EXPANSION AND FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND AGAIN, THE CMR CONTRACT IS A TWO PART CONTRACT. SO WE PAY FOR PRE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES THAT ALLOWS THE CMR TO SIT IN ON DESIGN MEETINGS, PROVIDE COST ESTIMATES TO THE CITY AS THE PLANS PROGRESS AND THEN WE WOULD BRING A GMP WHICH IS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE AMENDMENT TO COUNCIL. ONCE WE HAVE 100% DRAWINGS AND WE KNOW WHAT THE COST IS GOING TO BE AND THEN COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE, THE GMP AT THAT TIME. 
          SO NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTION IN TERMS OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AND THE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE BEFORE THAT, YOU PROJECT WOULD BE BEFORE ALL THIS GETS STARTED. SO WE HAVE A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND. YEAH, I THINK THAT DEPENDS. I THINK WE NEED TO REGROUP WITH OUR DESIGN TEAMS AND CONSTRUCTION TEAMS AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE. THE BIGGEST, UNKNOWN FACTOR FOR US AT THIS TIME IS THE AREA BETWEEN DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD AND THE CREEK, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T PLANNING FOR ANY PARK IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA, BEFORE WAR. SO WE REALLY HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH MXQ TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THE PARK LOOKS LIKE THERE. AND THEN I THINK ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE TIMING. HAVE WE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT WHEN I TALKED TO JOE ABOUT THIS, REGARDING THE OLD GAS STATION AND THE OLD POLICE STATION, ONCE WE TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD GET THOSE TORN DOWN AND SEEDED GRASS SEEDED, YOU KNOW, JUST AND MAKE THAT MORE OF A GREEN SPACE AND HAVING THOSE OLD BUILDINGS SITTING THERE WHILE, YOU KNOW, BY THE FALL SO THAT WE JUST THEY'RE MORE PREPARED FOR FUTURE WORK AND WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE BUILDINGS. IS THAT A REASONABLE REQUEST TO GET THOSE THINGS TORN OUT OF THERE? THE WELL, THE OLD POLICE STATION IS STILL IN USE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MUCH OF AN EYESORE. I MEAN, YES, AND IT COULD SERVE THE PURPOSE, COULD POTENTIALLY STILL BE USED. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY IN THERE. THE CLIENT MOVED OUT. NO, IT'S THE NEW DRIVING DRIVING SCHOOLS IN THERE NOW. IT'S THE RELOCATED DRIVING SCHOOL. IT DOESN'T. THEY'RE BUILDING THEY MOVED THAT PLACE TORN DOWN. SO YEAH. THREE FOR THREE THE WIDOWMAKER. NOTHING PERSONAL HAPPENS. A GAS STATION THERE. IT'S QUITE AN EYESORE. 
          YEAH I THINK IT WOULD. I THINK WE COULD TEAR DOWN THE REMAINDER OF THE GAS STATION PRETTY QUICKLY. THE FORMER POLICE STATION COULD POTENTIALLY BE REPURPOSED ON A SHORT TERM BASIS. WHILE WE DO WORK, ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE CURRENT POLICE 
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STATION, PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO BE DISPLACED. YEAH. SO THAT MAY BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REUSE THE FORMER POLICE STATION UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED. THERE. YOU GO IN THERE AND WANT PEOPLE TO TEAR HANDCUFF PEOPLE TO CHAIRS LIKE THEY USED TO. FORTUNATELY, WE STILL. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTING THE CELL AREA. SO WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, MY I THINK IT WOULD THOUGH WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF WE COULD GET THE GAS STATION REMOVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A BLIGHT TO OUR VILLAGE CENTER. THERE'S A THERE'S A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS ROSELAND TWO IS COMING. SO NOW THAT'S GONE TOO. NOW THE SIGNS ARE GONE. YEAH. 
          SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE SIGNS. I GUESS WE LOST HOPE. NO, NO NO, NO. DO WE DO. WE FADED OVER TIME. YEAH TO THAT, TO THAT. AND DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANY KIND OF PAPERWORK OR AGREEMENT OR CONTRACT FOR THE RECEIPT OF THE LAND FROM WEXNER? YEAH AND SO WE CAN'T REALLY TOUCH IT TILL THEN. 
          YEAH. I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT AND GET A DEMOLITION. EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE CITY, WE STILL HAVE TO GET DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE WAREHOUSE AND FOR THE, YEAH, THE WAREHOUSE SHOULD GO AS FAST AS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BEFORE IT FALLS DOWN IN STANDARDS, TOO. 
          WE JUST APPROVED. IT WOULD JUST BE. I'M SURE THAT BREWDOG WILL BE UPSET TO LOSE THEIR PARKING SPACE FOR SURE. YEAH, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE GAS STATION DOWN WOULD BE OKAY. IMPROVE THE ESTHETICS OF OUR VILLAGE CENTER. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST TRYING . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 29, 2024? HEARS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I WOULD MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 29, 2024 SECOND. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BRESKE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WELCH. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FEATHERS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES SEVEN. YES. 
          VOTES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION R 29 2024. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS ARE THERE ANY 
          [13. REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES]
SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES, JONI, UPDATE MORSI. SEVERAL ITEMS, FIRST, EMILY SMITH, DID A PRESENTATION AT THE PRE-MEETING, LUNCHEON TO UPDATE THE COMMUNITY ON THE STATUS OF THE INTEL PROJECT. ALSO, THE FEATURE SPEAKER AT THE COMMISSION MEETING WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CODA, SHE SHARED THAT 30,000 PEOPLE, TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT EACH DAY IN THE COLUMBUS REGION, AND THAT THE HALF CENT PROPOSED SALES TAX THAT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER, WILL BE, THE INTENT IS TO INCREASE THE, BUS RAPID TRANSIT SERVICE IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY, AS WELL AS INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF TRADITIONAL TRANSIT IN THE SUBURBAN AREAS IN NEW ALBANY. COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFICIARY OF THAT. 
          ALSO, SHE SAID THAT THERE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 500 MILES OF SIDEWALK AND LEISURE TRAIL INCLUDED, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY 300 PROJECTS, THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED SHOULD THIS THIS PARTICULAR, HALF CENT LEVY BE APPROVED, AND NEW ALBANY, I BELIEVE, HAS AT LEAST TWO, PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST AND A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THOSE IN THOSE MEETINGS, MARK RECEIVED AN UNQUALIFIED AUDIT FROM THE STATE AUDITOR, SO GIVEN ALL OF THE, FEDERAL GRANTS THAT THEY THAT THEY, PARTICIPATE IN AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY ADMINISTER, THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FEAT. AND THEY'VE HAD UNQUALIFIED OPINIONS FOR YEARS, SO THEY WERE, THAT WAS APPRECIATED BY THE MEMBERS. THERE WAS A REPORT ON RAPID FIVE, THERE'S A THEY APPROVED A GREENWAYS PLANNING STUDIO, ENGAGEMENT WITH MORSI. SO MORSI WILL BE WORKING WITH RAPID FIVE ON A, BASICALLY A PLANNING ENGAGEMENT TO FACILITATE THE REGIONAL PLANS FOR THE GREENWAYS , THE ARMOUR-STINER AND STEPHANIE HIGHTOWER ARE CO-CHAIRING AN EQUITABLE TRANSIT GROUP, THAT REPORT IS READY FOR OR WILL BE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. IF ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT, THERE IS A SAFE STREETS FOR ALL GRANTS, THAT MORSI IS FACILITATING, AND THAT HAS ABOUT $780 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR THAT. 
          THERE WAS A LONG MEETING, THE, FEE SCHEDULE FOR, FOR 2025 WAS ADOPTED AND THAT, COST WILL BE 
          [02:45:09]
$0.65 PER CAPITA, ALSO A REMINDER THAT THE SUMMIT ON SUSTAINABLE CITY WILL OCCUR ON OCTOBER 29TH, THIS FALL, THE CENTRAL OHIO GREENWAY BOARD, HAS INVESTED $60 MILLION IN LOCAL TRAILS THROUGH GRANTS FROM MORSI OR GRANTS THAT ARE ADMINISTERED THROUGH MORSI OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. THEIR GOAL IS TO INCREASE , BY 500 MILES. THE TOTAL, REGIONAL GRANT SYSTEM, THEY HAVE ABOUT 230 MILES THAT ARE EXISTING TRAILS AND PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP WITH RAPID FIVE WILL BE USED TO TRY TO FACILITATE THAT GOAL. AND THEY'RE ALSO COMPLETING A $300,000 STUDY TO COORDINATE A TRAIL BRANDING AND WAYFINDING, PROGRAM FOR THE REGION, THIS IS PART OF THE TRAIL TOWN INITIATIVE, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IS TO PROVIDE AMENITIES SUCH AS WATER, PARKING LOTS, RESTROOMS, THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES. ALSO, IT FURTHER ENHANCE TRAILHEADS SO THAT THEY'RE LOCATED IN CLOSE, CLOSER PROXIMITY TO CULTURAL AMENITIES. AND, AND THEN ALSO CREATE A STANDARDIZED BRANDING PROGRAM THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL BRANDS OF THE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE TRAIL TOWN NETWORK. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, NOT MUCH, NOT MUCH GOING ON IN ANY UPDATE FROM THE JOINT PERKS? YES. JUST A REAL QUICK ONE. JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE ON THE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT THAT THEY ARE, RUNNING OUT THERE, CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT 26 CITIES THAT ARE BEING REPRESENTED IN THE TOURNAMENT, ALMOST 100 PLAYERS AND TWO STATES THAT HAVE SIGNED UP. THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TIME TO SIGN UP. ANOTHER, PROBABLY 2 OR 3 WEEKS IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT GOING. BUT SO FAR SO GOOD. 
          THEY'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE SPONSORS, RIGHT, AS WELL. SO IT SEEMS LIKE, THINGS ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK FOR THE, FOR THE TOURNAMENT. THAT'S AWESOME. ALL RIGHT, ANY UPDATE FROM NEW ALBANY PLAYING LOCAL SCHOOLS, YES. THERE WAS A MEETING LAST MONDAY, AND COUNCIL MEMBER DIRK, ATTENDED, AND I THINK SOME FOLKS TUNED IN ONLINE AND, I'M NOT GOING TO, GO IN TOO MUCH DETAIL BECAUSE JOE SENT OUT A NICE SUMMARY, IN HIS WEEKLY RECAP. AND, HE ALSO INCLUDED THE SLIDE DECK THAT THEY PRESENTED THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, VERY THOROUGHLY, THEIR ARCHITECT PRESENTED, I THINK THEY'RE ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH OUR LINE ITEMS, SOME OF THEM ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE GROWTH, THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, NEW BUILDINGS, ADDITIONS TO THE PRIMARY SCHOOL. AND THEN A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, THAT THEY INCLUDED LINE ITEMS ARE, PROJECTS THAT ARE PROBABLY NEEDED TO HAPPEN FOR A LONG TIME, THAT THEY FINALLY CATEGORIZED AND INCLUDED IN A COMPREHENSIVE, FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, INCLUDING ATHLETIC FACILITIES, TEARING DOWN THE ANNEX BUILDING, THE CONNECTOR BUS LOOP. SO BASICALLY, IT WAS A LIST THAT HAD EVERYTHING INCLUSIVE OF GROWTH. AND, PROJECTS NEED TO BE DONE. AND I THINK THE TOTAL TALLY WAS $176 MILLION, SO CLEARLY IT WAS A CATCH ALL. THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO NOW. AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO KIND OF GO BACK THROUGH AND, VET THE ITEMS AND PRIORITIZE THEM, THEY WANT TO GET THEM OUT THERE, SO LIKE I SAID, JOE HAD SENT THE, THE LINK TO THAT PRESENTATION IS IN THERE. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH AND PERUSE ALL THE, THE LINE ITEMS, AND THEN THEY MOVED ON TO, KIND OF THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF HAMILTON QUARTER AND KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE TAX REVENUE THAT WOULD BE GAINED, IF THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT, THEY STILL DIDN'T MAKE A DECISION. AND IN SOME OF MY CONVERSATIONS AND, WITH FOLKS ON COUNCIL, THERE MAY BE A DEVELOPMENT IN THE HAMILTON QUARTER PROJECT THAT, POTENTIALLY REPORT ON AT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. AND THEN, I WOULD ASK FOR AN UPDATE FROM THE TOWNSHIP, BUT MAYBE WE JUST GOT I THINK I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK WE HEARD IT IN THE OPENING 
          [14. REPORTS OF CITY OFFICIALS]
STATEMENTS. SO HEARING THE VISITORS. ALL RIGHT, REPORT OF CITY OFFICIALS, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING TWO MEETINGS THAT, IT WAS A IT WAS KIND OF A SURREAL FEELING. WE SPENT A LONG TIME, BUT, COUNCIL PRESIDENT PRO TEM SHAUL DID A GREAT JOB, IN MY ABSENCE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, RAN SMOOTH, AS SMOOTH AS SILK. SO I 
          [02:50:02]
APPRECIATE THAT. THE CLERK OF COUNCIL, WE HAVE AN UPDATE. I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 4TH OF JULY. YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY, THE GOLF CARTS, LONG SINCE, RESERVED AND PAID FOR. I AM ORDERING BUNCHES OF NEW DECORATIONS ON THE SMALLER SIDE. THE BUNTINGS AND THE GARLANDS AND THE BOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT, LIKE A BUBBLE MACHINE OR A GIANT INFLATABLE PATRIOTIC DUCK, MAKE SURE YOU PUT YOUR ORDERS IN NOW, SO THAT THOSE WILL BE READY, WE WILL HAVE ONE MORE COUNCIL MEETING ON JULY 2ND BEFORE THE ACTUAL JULY FOUR PARADE. BUT, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DISCUSS ANYTHING FURTHER, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT HERE. I WANT A GIANT INFLATABLE PATRIOTIC DUCK. I WILL DO INDIVIDUAL ORDERS. I DON'T WANT TO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ORDER TEN AND THEN HAVE THEM SIT AROUND SO LET ME KNOW. I THINK WE DON'T PUT SOMETHING ON TOP OF US. I STILL HAVE MINE FROM LAST COUPLE YEARS. SO, YEAH. YEAH. 
          LAST YEAR I ENDED UP WITH A CART THAT DID NOT HAVE A ROOF ON. OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CARTS BECAUSE I SPECIFIED ROOFS FOR EVERY CART. IT'S IN THE CONTRACT. OKAY, GOOD. AND IS IT A FOUR SEATER OR SIX SEATER? I GOT A COMBINATION OF TWOS AND FOURS. SO JUST GOT TO GET MARLENE. ONLY GETS HALF A TANK OF GAS. OH, AND 200 POUNDS OF CANDY. SO THAT'S COMING AS WELL. 
          PER CART. MY PLAN THIS TIME AROUND IS TO GIVE YOU ALL THE CANDY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AT THE BEGINNING. SUPPOSED TO BE SOME EXTRA BUCKETS. YEAH GOING TO LOAD THEM IN, YOU KNOW, CROWD THEM AROUND YOUR FEET. BUT YOU YOU WILL SEE WHAT YOU HAVE FOR THE ENTIRE PARADE AND THEN CAN BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. NO RUNNING BACK FOR REFILLS. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. YEAH. 
          WE'LL JUST KNOCK EACH OTHER OFF THE ROAD AND TAKE. ANY HIGHWAY HIGHWAY ROBBERY. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST YOU GUYS AND THE CARTS. IF YOU WANT WALKERS, JUST DON'T RUN OVER THEIR TOES. YEAH. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE IT IS IF YOU WANT, FOLKS, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE BUZZING AROUND AND HELP HAND OUT CANDY. YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE WALKERS WALK BY YOU WITH BUCKETS. AND WE'LL WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT SHIRTS YOU WANT WHEN WE GET CLOSER. WE KNOW THE WEATHER. THANK YOU. OKAY THAT'S IT FROM CLERK. ALL RIGHT. ANY UPDATE FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR? NO FURTHER REPORT. ALL RIGHT. CITY MANAGER. NO CITY ATTORNEY. PLEASED REPORT. I HAVE NO REPORT . PULL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL 
          [16. POLL FOR COUNCIL COMMENT]
RIGHT, PULL FOR COUNCIL COMMENT. I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK OUR FINANCE TEAM FOR DOING SUCH AN OUTSTANDING JOB KEEPING THE CITY RUNNING, VERY SMOOTHLY. THANK YOU. I SECOND THAT. JUST. I HAVE ONE THING, JUST WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, MIKE. THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT REGARDING GRAY LOOP. I THINK THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO ME THAT I NEEDED TO BRING THAT UP TO COUNCIL. SO GRAY LOOP IS IN NEW ALBANY. LINKS AND THE CITY OWNS GRAY LOOP. WHAT IS GRAY? GRAY LOOP IS JUST A ROAD, KIND OF A CITY STREET. IT'S CALLED GRAY LOOP. IT'S IN NEW ALBANY, OKAY. AND THE CITY OWNS IT'S ALL GREEN SPACE. AND IT'S A ROAD THAT ENCIRCLES A GREEN SPACE, WHICH THE CITY OWNS. THE GREEN SPACE. DID I DESCRIBE THAT CORRECTLY? I THINK I DID. SO THE CITY OWNS IT. AND, THEREFORE WE HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINING THE SHRUBBERY AND, THAT'S IN OUR RIGHT, THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THERE'S OLD SHRUBS AND PLANTING PLANTED MATERIALS THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ATTENDED TO AND ARE NOT UP TO THE STANDARD THAT THE HOA WOULD LIKE, FOR IT TO BE. SO THE HOA HAS BEEN REQUESTING THAT THE CITY UPDATE, THE SHRUBS THAT ARE ON THE CURB ALONG GRAY LOOP. SO THE ASK TONIGHT IS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BE OPEN TO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT TO GO IN AND REPLACE WHAT'S THERE WITH SOMETHING NEW OR JUST GRASS SO THAT THE SHRUBS THAT SPACE LOOKS BETTER. THAT'S NOT HOA RESPONSIBILITY. THE CITY OWNS IT. SO I BELIEVE WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS PUT IN, THEY PUT IN THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN MOST OF OUR SUBDIVISIONS. SO THEY HAD THEY HAD, SHRUBBERY, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND WHEN OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM WENT OUT LAST YEAR, ON ITS FACE, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A NO BRAINER DECISION. SO THE SHRUBBERY IS OVERGROWN. IT'S AGED. IT NEEDS TO PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE TORN OUT AND REPLACED OR JUST ELIMINATED ALTOGETHER IN THE PLACE OF GRASS. BUT WHAT OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM WENT OUT TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF IT LAST YEAR. SOME OF THE, NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS APPROACHED THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE REALLY LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP IT. I THINK ONE GENTLEMAN MAY HAVE SAID THAT HE HAD BEEN POTENTIALLY MAINTAINING 
          [02:55:04]
SOME OF IT. AND REQUESTED THAT IT NOT BE REMOVED. SO SINCE WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CONFLICT BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE HOA, AT LEAST 1 OR 2 RESIDENTS IN THE HOA, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO BRING TO COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE, DOING WHAT COUNCIL WANTS. SO HOW MANY OF THESE, POCKETS MIGHT WE HAVE THAT THE CITY HAS, TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE UPKEEP OF? I JUST THINK OF SOME OF THESE BOULEVARDS THROUGHOUT VARIOUS COMMUNITIES. YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, NOT MANY. I MEAN, THERE'S RESERVE AREAS, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEDICATED AS RESERVE AREAS, SOMETIMES THERE MIGHT BE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE OR SOMETHING TO WHERE THERE'S, LIKE A CENTER ISLAND, WITHIN, LIKE A CUL DE SAC SECTION. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD AT TIMES WE'D MAINTAIN THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY SECTION, BUT, I WOULD SAY BY AND LARGE, YOU KNOW, THE HOA IMPROVEMENTS, OR IMPROVEMENTS KIND OF OVER AND ABOVE THAT, I'D SAY CITYWIDE OR HOA OR HOA MAINTENANCE. WHERE IS THIS STREET? WHAT'S YOU TURN OFF CENTRAL COLLEGE ON THE DEAN FARM ROAD, AND IT'S THE FIRST. FIRST. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. AND IT'S A KIND OF IT'S A LOOP, THAT COMES BACK TO DEAN FARM ROAD, AND IT'S ALL GREEN SPACE WITHIN THAT LOOP. AND THERE'S HOMES THAT ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, AND IT'S, THERE'S TWO THERE'S TWO CURVES REALLY THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED. AND THE HOA IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN MAKING THE COMMUNITY LOOK NICE, BUT THEY DON'T OWN THAT LAND. AND THEY WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE WHAT IS THE REQUEST COMING FROM THE HOA? PRETTY MUCH THE HOA IS ASKING IF THE CITY IS GOING TO UPDATE THAT AREA. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO TAKING THE SHRUBBERY OUT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT IS WITHIN OUR AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A POTENTIAL CONFLICT HERE. SO IS OUR GOAL TO TAKE OUT THE SHRUBS AND REPLANT SOMETHING ELSE OR JUST MAKE IT GREEN SPACE. NOW, PROBABLY JUST REPLACE IT WITH GRASS TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION. I SOME RESIDENTS I WONDER IF THE RESIDENTS WHAT THE RESIDENTS FEEL ABOUT THAT. IF YOU HAVE SOME, I WOULD HAVE THE INVESTMENT COME IN OR SOMEBODY I THINK THAT, YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT. WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE GREAT, BUT WE NEED SOME DIRECTION. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE HOA COULD COULD SAY WE'D LIKE A, B AND C TO OCCUR. YEAH. OR I MEAN CAN WE GIVE IT'S STILL TRICIA. THEY'RE JUST ASKING CAN THE CITY DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE INVESTING MONEY TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY LOOK BETTER. AND WE DON'T KNOW. WE OWN THAT LAND OR THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING IT SOUNDS LIKE. BUT BETTER IS SUBJECTIVE IS THE POINT. AND IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT THERE THAT LIKE IT JUST THE WAY IT IS, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DECIDE WHAT'S BETTER UNLESS WE MAKE A DECISION THAT IS A CITY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS BEST BECAUSE WE OWN THE PROPERTY AND DO IT. WE COULD DO THAT. BUT ONE NEIGHBOR THERE THAT SAID THAT THEY, BECAUSE THE SHRUB IS SO HIGH, THEY LIKE IT. 
          THEY USE IT AS SCREENING. YEAH. SCREENING FOR WHAT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT'S WHAT MIKE TOLD ME. SO I'M NOT REAL SURE. MIKE, YOU'RE AWARE YOU'RE AWARE OF THE LOCATION IN THIS SITUATION. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OVER THERE? YES. DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT THE STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD DO AS A CITY? NORMALLY I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE SHRUBS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY BY CURB RAMPS LIKE THIS IS CERTAINLY A KIND OF A ONE OFF SITUATION THAT JUST DOESN'T EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE, REALLY. SO IT'S DEFINITELY A UNIQUE SITUATION. IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN DEAN FARM ROAD TO MAYNARD, THE HOA HAS INVESTED SOME MONEY IN THE CURBS THERE WITH DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CORE BELL AND HOSTAS AND BOXWOODS JUST TO MAKE IT TO MAKE IT UNIFORM WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE OFFER TO GIVE THEM A CLEAN SLATE AND WE CAN CLEAR WHAT'S THERE. AND IF THEY WANT THEIR LANDSCAPING COMPANY TO GO IN. AND YEAH, MAKE IT UNIFORM WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN THAT'S I DON'T HAVE I LIKE THAT TOO. THAT. 
          YEAH. YOU TAKE IT OUT. I AM LOOKING AT THE SHRUBS HERE ON GOOGLE IMAGES. I THINK THEY LOOK LIKE EVERGREEN TREES. THEY THEY SHRUBS, THEY'RE PRETTY. THEY'RE PRETTY BAD. LIKE, IF WE DON'T TAKE THEM OUT, I THINK I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SHIELDING, BUT ONE AT A TIME. 
          FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. I THINK THE SHRUBS I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF STARTING OVER WITH GRASS AND TAKING OUT THE SHRUBS, I THINK. YEAH, I WHAT'S THAT? HOW TALL ARE THESE SHRUB. THEY, THEY, THEY DO. ONE SIDE IS DEFINITELY BEEN MORE ACTIVELY MAINTAINED I WOULD SAY BY THE 
          [03:00:03]
PROPERTY OWNER. YEAH. AND, I MEAN IT, IT COULD BE THREE FEET TALL. THAT'S IT. YEAH SOME OF IT IS SCRUBBY LOOKING, NOT MAINTAINED OR, YOU KNOW. NO. SO MAYBE IT'S A GOOD APPROACH WOULD BE GO TO THE HOA AND SAY WE WOULD INTEND TO MAINTAIN IT AS WE WOULD OTHER AREAS LIKE THAT IN THE CITY. BUT THAT WE WOULD BE ELIMINATING THE HEDGES AND PLANTING GRASS, AND WE WOULD MOW AND MAINTAIN THAT IF THEY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN IT WOULD BE THEIR PREROGATIVE AND WE WOULD BE. THEY CAN PUT OTHERS IN OTHER THINGS IN, BUT THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM. YEAH. COULD THEY, COULD THEY I MEAN OTHER THINGS IN IF IT WAS CITY LAND, THERE'S THEY HAVE PLANTINGS IN THE RIGHT LIKE ON MAYNARD PLACE AS YOU TURN INTO MAYNARD PLACE, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME IS THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY ARE PUTTING STUFF IN THERE. I'M SURE THEY PLANTED IT WITHOUT PERMISSION BEFORE, BUT WE COULD. I WAS GOING TO SAY ALLOW THEM TO. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T. I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY SPEAK TO OUR STAFF ON WHAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO PLANT THERE. I MEAN, SO THEY'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE, SAY IN THE COUNTRY CLUB, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE USED DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, BRICK CURBS INSTEAD OF CONCRETE CURBS. AND OUR POLICY HAS BEEN IF YOU DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE ON IT. SO WHETHER IT'S, COBBLESTONE ROADS OR, YOU KNOW, BRICK CURBS OR ANYTHING, GAS, COACH LIGHTS, ALL OF THOSE ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE, OF THE HOA OR THE OF THE BUILDER. I THINK THE HOA. THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE WITH IT. AND YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP WHAT'S THERE AND MAKE IT GRASS. AND IF YOU ALLOW THE HOA TO GO, IF WE ALLOW THE HOA TO GO IN AND DO SOME PLANTINGS WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY, THEN THEY'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THEM OUT AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED LAST FALL IF NOT FOR THIS ISSUE BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNER AND THE HOA. SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON OUT THERE. OKAY, I'M OKAY WITH IT. I JUST THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK FROM THE HOA BEFORE WE PROCEED. YEAH, I CAN ASK THEM TO COME IN. I'M SURE THEY WOULD. 
          YEAH. AND MAYBE AS WE DO WITH ANY REZONING, NOTIFICATIONS OR ANYTHING, MAYBE WE NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE KIND OF ON THAT TURN TOO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IT AT WHATEVER TIME. YEAH, I CAN DO THAT. AND WE PROVIDED NOTICE BEFORE WE WERE OUT THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAD AN IDEA OF WHY WE WERE OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG WE'D BE OUT THERE SO WE CAN WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S THE ISSUE? BUT ALL RIGHT, SO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE USED TO WHAT THEY HAVE, RIGHT? THEY DON'T. SO YEAH , AND IS THAT IT ON THAT ONE SHOW THAT'S ON. OKAY. THANKS. JUST A QUICK UPDATE, TOMORROW MORNING, JOE, MYSELF, WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS FROM GRANVILLE COMING OVER A TRUSTEE, A COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEIR CITY MANAGER. JUST KIND OF MEET AND GREET, KIND OF OPEN UP LINES OF COMMUNICATION, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE. AND I THINK, FROM A FAMILIARITY WILL BE GOOD FOR BOTH SIDES. SO, WE CAN REPORT BACK AND SEE HOW THAT GOES, BUT, THAT'S TOMORROW MORNING AT 830. 
          THANKS ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENT? AND I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION 
          [17. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
PURSUANT TO SAFETY TOWN GRADUATION. TAKE YOUR TIME. GRADUATION. THANK YOU TO 192 KIDS THIS YEAR. THEY MAXED OUT, MAN. BOTH CLASSES. THE ONE THAT WE JUST FINISHED AND THE UPCOMING ONE AS WELL. IT'S AMAZING. AMAZING TIME. YOUR HANDS HURT FROM ALL THE SLAPS. 
          THERE IS A FEW. THE AFTERNOON GROUP CAME IN READY TO GO. THEY WERE REALLY PACKED. A LOT OF PUNCHES. YEAH, FIRED AND READY. YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE STAFF THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          THEY REALLY LOVED, I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW COUNCIL ALWAYS ENJOYS ATTENDING THOSE, GRADUATION CEREMONIES. SO WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE DISTRIBUTE THE INVITATION TO EVERYBODY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY COME UP NEXT FRIDAY JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A HEADS UP. IT'S NEXT FRIDAY THE 28TH. DON'T BE LATE. COUNCIL MEMBER FATLOSS, I BELIEVE, IS DOING THE OFFICIATING. AM I DOING ALL THE OFFICIATING OR IS THERE JUST DOES ANYBODY ELSE JOINING ME FOR THAT YOU'RE THERE OR ARE YOU COMING NEXT WEEK, NEXT FRIDAY, NEXT FRIDAY, I WILL SAY UNLIKE, PREVIOUS TIMES, CHIP, THE, THE SCRIPT WAS, SHORTENED OR LIKE THERE PASSED OUT MORE. YEAH. BECAUSE TYPICALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD ALL SAY WAS, FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GOLF OUTING. I MEAN, THEY, THEY SPLIT UP. SO IT'S REALLY TWO SLIDES. SO YOU JUST I'LL DO IT. 
          IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME AND JOIN ME, PLEASE DO. YEAH. IT'S A GOOD TIME. AND I'LL COME UP 
          [03:05:04]
AGAIN. WHAT ARE THE TWO TIMES TEN, TEN AND TWO? THERE'S JUST ONE THIS TIME. OH. JUST ONE, IS IT 1230? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY DIFFERENCE ON THE TIME, MEGAN CATES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SENT OUT THE INVITE. GIVE ME A SECOND, 12 TO 2. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. CALENDAR. 
          YEP OKAY. JUNE 28TH AT 1230. IS WHAT SHE'S GOT ON THIS MESSAGE OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT, THEN I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO NEW ALBANY CHARTER SECTION 4.03, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, PURSUANT TO OHIO REVISED CODE ONE 2120 2G2 TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE, A PREMATURE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WOULD GIVE AN UNFAIR COMPETITIVE OR BARGAINING ADVANTAGE TO A PERSON WHOSE PERSONAL PRIVATE INTEREST IS ADVERSE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND PURSUANT TO OHIO REVISED CODE ONE 2120 2G1 FOR DISCUSSION REGARDING APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, DISMISSAL, PROMOTION, DEMOTION, OR COMPENSATION OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE. SECOND, MAYOR SPALDING . YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. FEATHERS YES. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO GO INTO. EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:47 P.M. FOR VOTES. WATCHING THE STREAM LIVE, WE ARE GOING TO TURN OFF THE SOUND, BUT THE VIDEO WILL CONTINUE TO RUN AND WE WILL COME BACK WHEN IT'S READY TO RESUME THE REGULAR SESSION. DO WE PLAN ANY ACTION AFTERWARDS? WE DO NOT AT THIS TIME PLAN
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