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SO THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS, GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE. MR. BRUBAKER HERE. MR. SELLARS. MR. SIEBENALER. MR. PAUL HERE. MISS BONI. MR. SMITHERS HERE. MR. HERSKOWITZ HERE. MR. CHAPPELL HERE. HERE. MR. HARPER HERE. WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. WE
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HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. FANTASTIC. SO THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO DO IS, A MOTION TO, APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS HEARING, AND I WASN'T HERE, SO I CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT. I'LL MOTION THAT THEY BE APPROVED. OKAY. SECOND, JAY HERSKOWITZ I SEE. OKAY. ROLL CALL MR. CHAPPELL HERE. YES MR. HERSKOWITZ. YES. MR. PAUL I CANNOT RECALL IF I WAS HERE LAST MONTH, THE RULES ARE THAT YOU ARE, QUALIFIED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OR VOTE IN FAVOR OF THEM. IF YOU'VE READ THEM AND YOU FEEL LIKE THEY'RE A REASONABLE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MEETING, I'LL VOTE. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. SMITHERS. I HAVE TO ABSTAIN. MR. HARPER. YES. MR. BRUBAKER, I'M STAYING ALSO, THE MOTION PASSES WITH FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW[V. New Business]
IF WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS. NO OKAY, SO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, START OFF THEN WITH OUR OUR FIRST CASE. SO THAT WOULD BE Z 24 022 AND CV 20 4-064 AT 6955 HARLEM ROAD, THIS IS A COLUMBUS CASE. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND RUN US THROUGH THAT PART OF THE MEETING AT AND, FOR THE APPLICANTS, WE HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN SO IF YOU COULD STEP UP AND, JUST SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD. ALRIGHT. FANTASTIC. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM TODAY. I'M NOT SURE. EVERYONE SEEMS VERY FAMILIAR, SO I ASSUME THAT WE'RE ALL, OKAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE YOU COME FORWARD AND, BEGIN THE CASE. SURE. I'M SORRY. DID I MISS SOMETHING? YEAH. AS MR. SMITHERS JUST STATED, THIS IS A COLUMBUS APPLICATION. IT IS FROM PREFERRED LIVING, AND IT'S IN REFERENCE TO A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6955 HOLLAND ROAD, WHICH IS JUST WEST OF HARLEM, NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE, AND DESIGNATED VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL, WITH A PERMITTED LAND USE BEING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE SITE IN QUESTION CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS, THE ONE TO THE SOUTH THAT HAS BEEN ANNEXED INTO COLUMBUS AS RURAL AND THE ONE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS BEING IN THE PROCESS OF ANNEX. AS A RULE, THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED THIS APPLICATION AS THE SECOND PHASE OF THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH. THAT APPLICATION CAME BEFORE THIS PANEL IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF 2023. AS A REMINDER, IN PHASE ONE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED REZONING THE THREE ADJACENT PARCELS TO THE SOUTH TO APARTMENT RESIDENTIAL ONE WITH A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 60, IN ORDER TO DEVELOP 300 UNITS ON ALMOST 15 ACRES, FOR A DENSITY OF 19.89 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AT THAT TIME, STAFF FOUND THAT USE APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE EMERGING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE AREA AND THE PANEL APPROVED THE REZONING WITH A VOTE OF SEVEN IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED, AND THE SECOND PHASE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SPLIT THE LOTS OF THE ANNEXED PARCELS AND REZONE A COMBINED THREE ACRE AREA FROM RURAL TO LIMITED APARTMENT RESIDENTIAL. ONE. THE SECOND PHASE PROPOSES AN ADDITION OF 48 UNITS THAT THE APPLICANT STATES IN LUKE, AND LOOK AND USE WILL FIT WITH PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO SCORED 75% ON THE CHECKLIST AND GIVEN THE EMERGING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ALONG HARLEM ROAD, STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED LAND USE TO BE APPROPRIATE. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE RBA PLANS, STAFF REQUEST THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING REVISIONS TO THEIR PROPOSAL ONE. PROVIDE ELEVATIONS FOR ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS BUILDING MATERIALS. PROVIDE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE INCLUDING BUILDING AND PARKING LOTS TO ENSURE MAXIMUM COVERAGE. DOES NOT EXCEED 70.PROVIDE LIGHTING TYPES AND LOCATION ON THE SITE. PLAN PROVIDE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT
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INDICATES WHICH MATURE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED AND WHICH ARE BEING PRESERVED. STAFF ALSO ENCOURAGED THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, TO INCLUDE MULTI-USE TRAILS, WALKING PATHS ALONG ROCKY FORK CREEK AND ALSO EXPLORE ADDING BICYCLE PATHS, SIDEWALKS AND STREET TREES ALONG HARLEM ROAD. THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, SO THERE ARE NO RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS TIME. OKAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE APPLICANT, WALK US THROUGH. DAVID HODGE, WALTER UNDERHILL AND HODGE, ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT, REALLY A GOOD, STAFF PRESENTATION. I CREATED SOME EXHIBITS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS CLARITY AROUND EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS, WE WERE IN HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, CAME ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PORTION OF THE PROCESS ON THROUGH THE CITY PORTION OF THE PROCESS, AND WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED FOR 288 UNITS. THAT WAS THAT, ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN. A SECOND AGO, PREFERRED LIVING HAS BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH, MR. SINGER, AND IS ACQUIRING THREE ACRES ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY. AND SO THIS IS REALLY AN ADDITION, 48 ADDITIONAL UNITS TO WHAT PREVIOUSLY CAME THROUGH, THE PROCESS AND WAS APPROVED. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ANNEXING IT. OF COURSE, WE HAVE FILED OUR APPLICATIONS WITH THE CITY AND ARE WORKING THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE PROCESSES CONCURRENTLY, A COUPLE OF ITEMS FROM THE STAFF REVIEW. JUST TO NOTE, FOR THE PANEL. AND, AND SOME OF THOSE MIGHT HAVE BEEN OR WERE THE RESULT POSSIBLY OF A LACK OF CLARITY ON THE APPLICANT'S PART. OUR PART FOR, IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS WE SUBMITTED, WE WILL PROVIDE ELEVATIONS SHOWING ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING. THE ELEVATIONS SUBMITTED SHOW TWO.BUT THE, THE MATERIALITY IN THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS, LOT COVERAGE, PERFECT EXHIBIT THERE, THE LOT COVERAGE HERE, THE, ACCORD, GUIDELINE THERE IS 70. WE ARE RIGHT ABOUT A THIRD HERE. SO WE ARE AT 33. SO. WELL WITHIN THAT LIMITATION WHICH WHICH WOULD HAVE MADE OUR SCORE GO UP, AS FAR AS SITE LIGHTING IS CONCERNED, WITH THE SHIELDED CUT OFF LIGHTING, GROUND MOUNTED LIGHTING, UNDERGROUND WIRING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WE DID ON THE FIRST PHASE AND WILL BE DONE ON THIS PHASE, WE WILL COME IN WITH A LANDSCAPE PLAN. HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS A THIS IS A GREAT ILLUSTRATIVE SHOWS THE PRESERVATION OF, PERIMETER TREES. THEY'RE BOTH EAST AND WEST WITH THE BASIN UP ON THE NORTH, IT'S HEAVILY TREED UP THERE. SO ALL OF THOSE PERIMETER TREES, ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE PRESERVED AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY NO ISSUE WITH THAT ELEMENT OF THE, ACCORD GUIDELINE IS, ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, PRESERVING AS MANY EXISTING MATURE TREES AS POSSIBLE. WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE WITH THE, BUILDING PARKING COMPONENT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING ON THE SOUTH AND THIS BASIN ON THE NORTH TO DO, QUITE A BIT IN THE WAY OF, TREE PRESERVATION ALONG THE PERIMETER AND UP TO THE NORTH, THE NEXT COMMENT IS EXPLORE ADDING STREET TREES ALONG HARLEM ROAD. OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY HARLEM ROAD FRONTAGE WITH THIS. WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO ALONG THE LINE OF HARLEM ROAD WITH THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS, WHICH HAS THE FRONTAGE OVER ON HARLEM ROAD. YOU KNOW, ALWAYS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE ARE ENGAGING WITH COLUMBUS RECREATION AND PARKS AND THE AND THE STREET TREE FOLKS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO THIS APPLICATION WILL BE NO DIFFERENT AS A MATTER OF COURSE. IT WILL BE ROUTED OVER TO ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE AGENCIES, I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY IT, BUT, A GOOD, APPLICATION, REALLY A, LITTLE SISTER TO THE PREVIOUS, PROJECT THAT THAT CAME THROUGH AND WAS FULLY APPROVED, PERFECTLY CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT WE DID THERE. AND HOPEFULLY, THE ACCORD SEES FIT TO SEND US ON WITH A, WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON, OF APPROVAL ON TO THE CITY. I KNOW THAT, MISS PITTMAN GRANGER MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, AND IF THIS HAS TO BE A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, SO BE IT. WE DO HAVE THE ANNEXATION PORTION OF THIS PROCESS THAT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER THAN THE ZONING. SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT THAT TIME, HOWEVER, I'VE BEEN HERE IN SOME OTHER INSTANCES, RELATIVELY RECENTLY WITH, OTHER PROJECTS, CERTAINLY CERTAINLY MORE SIGNIFICANT,
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SUBSTANTIAL PROJECTS THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. AND SO, IF THE IF THE PANEL WANTS TO CONSIDER SENDING US ON AND MAKING THIS NOT A CONCEPTUAL BUT A FINAL REVIEW, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT NOTION. AND IN THE END, IT'LL HELP DELIVER THIS HOUSING EVEN MORE AFFORDABLY.AND IT'LL SAVE MY CLIENT FROM PAYING ME TO COME BACK OUT TO ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING ON THEIR BEHALF. I'LL STOP THERE. JARED SMITH WITH PREFERRED LIVING IS WITH ME. WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE SO YOU'RE SURE YOU'RE NOT? YOU DON'T WANT TO COME BACK. I YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE FOR JARED TO PAY ME, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MY TIME IS GOING TO BE SPENT ON SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S DOING THE SAME. OKAY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IN THE FACE OF THE INTEL GROWTH AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE GROWTH IN IN COLUMBUS, THERE ARE ABOUT TEN, TWO FEW ZONING ATTORNEYS IN THIS COMMUNITY. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. SO I GUESS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE PANEL. OKAY JUST CURIOUS, PROVIDED IS THAT DOES THAT MEET THE DEFINITION OF ALSO PARKING REQUIRED? IT DOES.
OKAY AND THEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A LANDSCAPE PLAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES, BUT DO YOU HAVE A PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT? STANFORD PLANTS. SO, PREFERRED LIVING ALWAYS AS A MATTER OF COURSE. WORKS WITH TODD FERRIS AT FERRIS PLANNING AND DESIGN. TODD IS WHO PREPARED THIS PLAN. AND SO, YES, AS WE GO FORWARD THROUGH THIS, TO THE EXTENT A LANDSCAPE PLAN IS REQUIRED, FERRIS PLANNING AND DESIGN WOULD HANDLE THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN, PROVIDED IT WAS NOT. YEAH, I WOULD ONLY RECOMMEND IT WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH. IF THERE'S ZERO FOOT CANDLES ON THE PROPERTY. PRINCIPAL AGREED. AND WE AND WE AND WE AGREE WITH THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE ALL OF THE OBLIGATIONS IN TERMS OF POLE HEIGHTS, DOWN LIGHTING CUTOFF FIXTURES, FIXTURES, WE AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. AND ALL OF THAT WILL, IN FACT HAPPEN HERE.
THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. YES, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS, THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE EAST BETWEEN YOUR LOT AND HARLEM ROAD. THERE'S TWO EXISTING HOUSES ON THERE RIGHT NOW. ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO STAY THERE AS IS WITH HOUSES, OR IS THAT BEING SET ASIDE FOR SOMETHING ADDITIONAL FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE? THOSE WILL REMAIN AS IS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AN ACRE AND A HALF, EXCUSE ME, AN ACRE AND A HALF OUT OF EACH OF THEM BEING SPLIT OUT AND ANNEXED TO COLUMBUS WITH THIS PROCESS. BUT THAT THE THOSE EASTERN PORTIONS LOOKS LIKE IT SAYS, I DON'T KNOW, 4.5 I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ACREAGES ARE CORRECT. THOSE ARE NOT THOSE ARE THE SOUTHERN ONES IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. THE NORTHERN ONE IS IN THE TOWNSHIP. IT IS NOT A PART OF THIS APPLICATION OR PROCESS AT ALL. OKAY. SO, MR. FENNER, OKAY, THEN ALSO, WHAT KIND OF PROTECTIONS ARE THE HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE GETTING FROM, VISUAL AND, EVERYTHING I SEE YOU HAVE A IT LOOKS LIKE A RETENTION POND IN THERE. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THAT. YES, SIR. THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S THE RETENTION POND THERE. AND THEN AND THEN EVERYTHING UP ALONG THE NORTH SIDE. AND WE DON'T HAVE A DIMENSION ON THAT. BUT ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE, PRESERVED.
BOTH THE NORTH, THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE UP THERE, THE WOODS ALSO EAST AND WEST OF THAT BASIN. OKAY. IN THAT PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE EXISTING TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE. THERE ARE THOSE, ON, ON THE PROPERTY OR ARE THOSE JUST KIND OF COMING UP WHERE YOU OVERLAID? IT'S BOTH THOSE EXIST ON THE NORTH, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SO WHEN I, I THINK WE CAN TAKE 25FT ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, CALL IT NOT THOSE TREES COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT THAT THE FIRST BUILDING IS 200FT OFF OF THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF THAT FIRST BUILDING IS A SINGLE STORY GARAGE BUILDING. OKAY SO THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, WE LAID THEM OUT. SO FIRST OF ALL, YOU ONLY SEE THE SMALL SIDE, NOT THE LONG SIDE. RIGHT OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND GIVEN THE PARKING SPOT IS 80FT AND THE BUSINESS, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ROUGHLY 220FT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY AND THE INTENT WAS TO GIVE THAT SPACE TO THEM RIGHT, RIGHT. SO AND ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, BECAUSE ROCKY FORK CREEK IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THE BORDER, THERE, OR YOUR PROPERTY LINE, WHERE DOES THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN COME IN? APPROXIMATELY. EVEN IF YOU WANT TO USE A POINTER TO GIVE ME AN IDEA HOW THERE'S A SLIDE THERE. YEAH THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT
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HAD, LIKE, THE EASEMENT STUFF. YEAH YEAH, IT DOES NOT COME INTO PLAY ON THIS PROPERTY. DID ON OUR PREVIOUS PROPERTY. OKAY. BECAUSE I THOUGHT I'D REMEMBERED THAT BEING A PROBLEM, THAT YOU COULDN'T USE THE BACK PART OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN. DID YOU SEE CONSERVATION AREA? COME. COME OVER. CAN WE COME OVER AND POINT AT THIS? YEAH ON THE LEFT SIDE.YOU WANT A POINTER? NO YEP. SORRY THE FLOOD ZONE. YOU CAN SEE IT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THERE.
YOU SEE THAT LIGHT LINE OKAY. RIGHT THERE. IS IT? AS WE DISCUSSED, THIS IS ALL CITY OF COLUMBUS RIGHT HERE. AND YOUR SHOW ON THIS SHOW, ON THIS PLANE WHERE THIS SITE IS IN RELATION, THIS SIDE IS OVER THERE, RIGHT? YEAH SO THIS IS THE REAR. THIS IS A SLIDE THAT HAD KIND OF THE EASEMENTS OR HAD WHAT WAS GOING ON ON. SORRY. I'LL GET OUT. MAYBE IT WAS THE BLOW UP OF OUR PLAN. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. SO THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT SHOT. SO IF I MAY ASK WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY BETWEEN PHASE TWO AND THE RED BORDERED OUTLINE THAT JUST HAS THE PENINSULA COMING OUT THE NORTH THERE, WHO OWNS UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINES? THAT'S GOING TO BE THESE, THAT IS SO IN BETWEEN KIND OF THE LONG, SKINNY PIECE OF PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO THERE. YEAH, THAT CITY OF THAT PROPERTY. OH REALLY? YES. THEY DO. THE LIGHT WHITE LINES THAT YOU SEE, THERE IS AN EASEMENT TO A DOING A POWER POINT. YEAH. SO YOU CAN SEE ALSO WHERE A ALTHOUGH CITY OF COLUMBUS OWNS THAT STRETCH IN BETWEEN PHASE TWO AND I'LL CALL IT THE ARM OR THE FINGER OF PHASE ONE. THAT AREA RIGHT THERE IS OWNED BY CITY OF COLUMBUS. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TWO WHITE LINES AND YOU SEE IT'S MOWED RIGHT THROUGH THERE. AND THAT IS A 100 FOOT EASEMENT ON POWER LINES THAT THEY HAVE THROUGH THERE AS WELL. AND DOES MR. SINGER, HE'S SELLING THE PROPERTY. HE OWNED THE FRONT TWO PROPERTIES. HE OWNS THE FRONT TWO PARCELS ON ONE IS A HOUSE AND THE NEXT DOOR IS BARN OF STUFF. STUFF AND THEN THE PROPERTY IS MORE, THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY. SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. YEAH THEY WERE ZONED UNSAFE PRIOR TO 2020, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THEY'RE RECENTLY COMPLETED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IS THAT IT? NOT YEAH. AND AGAIN, OUR FOCUS WAS TO KEEP THE DISTANCE, SO TO SPEAK, AND GIVE THAT THE PONDING IN BETWEEN AND 200FT. SO MR. CHAPPELL, YOU'RE BACK TO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED. SO ON, ON THIS EXHIBIT, THAT BASIN IS GENERALLY IN HERE. OKAY. AND THEN THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME TREE PRESERVATION UP ALONG WEST SIDE. PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PRESERVATION UP ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, ADJACENT TO THOSE HOMES AND THEN ALSO DOWN AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT IT, MY BUILDING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE TWO PROPERTY LINES OF THOSE TWO INDIVIDUAL PARCELS. MY BUILDING DON'T CROSS , IF THAT MAKES SENSE, INTO THE EXISTING NORTHERN PARCEL. YEAH.
SO ALL OF THE ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ON THIS PROPERTY HERE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTH OF THAT BLACK LINE. YEAH. IT IS AS THE WHERE THE TWO PROPERTIES ARE ONE ZONED RURAL AND THE OTHER ONE IS ON SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH. YOU'RE GOING ACROSS TWO DIFFERENT ZONES. IT WILL BE ZONED RURAL. WHEN IT'S ANNEXED IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES FROM THE CITY. BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO.
PHASE TWO IS SITTING ON TWO DIFFERENT PARTS. RIGHT. CORRECT AND THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING. RIGHT. SO THIS THIS SOUTHERN THE ENTIRETY OF THIS SOUTHERN PARCEL IS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, ALREADY IN , IN ZONED IN AN ARM. AND THEN THAT'S OKAY. RIGHT. AND SO WE ARE OF THIS ENTIRE PARCEL. WE ARE ONLY ANNEXING INTO THE CITY THIS BACK PORTION. OH IS IT. OH THAT'S RIGHT I'M SORRY. WE TRIED TO ANNEX THE BACK. SO THE WHOLE THING IS COMING IN. WE'RE ONLY ZONING THIS BACK PORTION. IT'LL COME IN. SO IT'S RIGHT NOW NOT EVEN NOT EVEN REALLY ZONED. BUT WHEN IT COMES INTO THE CITY, THEY PUT IT INTO A DEFAULT ARE DESIGNATE ATION. AND THEN THE ZONING EXERCISE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE WILL MOVE IT INTO THE, THE R THAT WE'RE REQUESTING FOR. THANKS. I NOTICED THE OTHER DAY WHEN I DROVE DOWN HARLEM ROAD THERE THEY HAVE NOW THE HOUSES TO THE NORTH OF YOU NOW HAVE COMPLETED THEIR WALKWAY ALONG HARLEM ROAD DOWN TO THAT PROPERTY LINE, DO YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO CONTINUE FURTHER SOUTH? THE
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WALKWAY PATH ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD? OH, NO. OVER HERE. YEAH. OH, YEAH. RIGHT THERE.YES. I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. YEAH. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT GOT DONE DOWN ON THIS PORTION? WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF PHASE ONE PLAYING BASKETBALL. SO AND WHAT DID WE END UP WITH? HOW FAR THE SETBACK WAS FROM, BUILDING TO THE, ON PHASE ONE? YEAH. DO YOU RECALL WHAT THAT WAS? I YOU'D ASKED FOR A VARIANCE ON IT. I'M THINKING IT WAS LIKE 25FT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH. SO 1.5. YEAH. THAT'S SHOWING. THAT'S SHOWING 25. BECAUSE DESIGNATED RIGHT AWAY AND THEN 25FT OFF THE DECK OKAY. SO IS THERE GOING TO BE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT ANOTHER AT LEAST TURN LANE IN THERE SOMEWHERE. SO TO THE TO THE NORTH. SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE. WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS OVER HERE. AND PREFERRED LIVING WILL HAVE NO RIGHTS TO DO ANYTHING OVER ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE OF THE FRONTAGE. OKAY. GO BACK TO WHERE IS THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ACCESS INTO PHASE TWO. OKAY. SO YEAH, ONE ONE OF THOSE MAPS I THINK WAS UP, I, I ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT THE TOP IS NORTH. AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS ONE THAT SO THAT NORTH IS ON THE TOP ON THIS ONE. CORRECT. YES. YES ARE YOU CHANGING THE ACCESS AND PHASE ONE SO THAT YOU CAN STUB OUT TO THAT? NO. WE HAVE TO CONNECT TWO PARKING SPACES. SO YEAH, IF YOU THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WERE CONNECTING INTO. BUT. YEAH, FROM PHASE ONE TO PHASE TWO, CAN YOU GO BACK TO PHASE ONE? SORRY IF YOU GO UP TO THAT TOP CORNER HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT THERE, WHERE THAT'S WHERE. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE CUT THROUGH THERE. YEAH SO IS THERE STILL A TWO APPS. THERE'S STILL TWO ACCESS POINTS INTO THE PROJECT. YOU'RE STILL MAINTAINING TWO ACCESS POINTS. SO YOU'VE GOT THIS. YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THIS ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT 300 UNITS. WE ACTUALLY THEM FOR 288. WE HAVE A PERMIT FOR 276 FOR PHASE ONE, WE LOST ALL. WE'RE ASKING FOR A MAX OF 48. BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW. SO YOU GUYS, FOR 300, MAX, I SEE.
AND YOU. DO YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH ACCESS FOR STUDENTS? I, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH IT. WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY SAY WHEN THEY COME IN. WHAT IF THERE IS A TURN LANE? YOU HAVE TO TURN ON HARD MODE ALREADY IN THE 276 UNITS THAT WE ARE GOING DOWN. GOING INTO THERE, NORMALLY ON 48 MINUTES, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AROUND WHAT WE REVIEWED ABOVE THAT NOT ONLY THAT DOES NOT GENERATE TRAFFIC OR ACCESS THAT YOU HAVE. CORRECT. BUT THE PHASE ONE AND IT WAS A IT WAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE OF TRAFFIC DISCUSSION WITH PHASE ONE BETWEEN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, FRANKLIN COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE, WHAT THE CITY HAS SAID WITH THE FILING OF THIS APPLICATION IS SEND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS BACK TO REEVALUATE WHAT GOT DISCUSSED THERE. AND TO THE EXTENT THERE IS SOME TWEAKING NECESSARY, OR PAYMENTS OF FEES IN LIEU NECESSARY, AS THE CASE MAY BE, THEN WE'LL IRON THAT OUT THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE PROCESS. IT WOULD NORMALLY BE AT THE END OF THE ROAD AND THE RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL. IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, THE COUNTY CARLOW ROAD. SO YOU HAVE.
DIFFERENT INTERESTS THAT HAVE A THREE HOUR THAT NIGHT. IT WAS A LONG PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEARBY PROJECT. YEAH SO THIS PORTION WAS REASONABLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT WAS DEALING DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION OF CENTRAL. HOW WOULD YOU SAY IT'S, I THINK OKAY. LITERALLY IN TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC REPORTS. OH, I KNOW HOW TO READ OR A SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS. YES, SIR. YEAH, OKAY, CAN WE GO BACK TO PAGE EIGHT OF THE PACKET OR THIS IS, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PHASE TWO. SO THE FERRIS DRAWING AND PAGE, YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, I'M GUESS I'M UNCLEAR. WHAT IS THE
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STRUCTURE BETWEEN BUILDINGS? 11 AND 12? IS THERE NUMBERED HERE? OKAY, SO THAT IS GARAGE. OKAY, AND THOSE ARE NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE A GARAGE THAT'S A SEPARATE CONTRACT FOR THE GARAGE. OKAY THE MANEUVERING SPACE SEEMS VERY TIGHT HERE. I'M NOT SO MUCH THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACT WITH JUST MANEUVERING FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND SO FORTH. THAT'S SOMETHING I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE ALREADY WORKED THROUGH, THAT I CAN TELL YOU THE ROAD I'LL SHOULD BE 2060, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, THE MINIMUM IS 20. BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING HAS TO BE 1.2FT FOR A FIRE SO THAT THEY CAN PUT THEIR OUTRIGGERS. OUTRIGGERS DOWN.OKAY. THERE'S A NUMBER IN THERE. SO ONE SIDE OF EVERY BUILDING HAS TO BE 26FT. OKAY I'M THINKING ALSO BECAUSE THE PUMPER WOULD PROBABLY WANT PERHAPS TO GAIN ACCESS TO YOUR BASE IN THERE FOR. YES AS FAR AS, TRASH COLLECTION, I DO SEE A LITTLE WHITE BOX DOWN THERE IN THE LOWER LEFT. THAT'S THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. THAT. IS THAT OKAY? THAT CORNER THERE? YES. AND IS THAT SERVING THEN ALL THESE NEW UNITS, THE 48 OR SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, WHAT COLUMBUS INTENDS ON DOING WITH THAT SLIVER OF PROPERTY THAT YOU SAID WAS THEIRS? I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE ANY IDEA. I MEAN, I ASKED FOR EASEMENT, BUT THEY WANTED. THEY SAID NO, THEY WANT. THERE'S, 150 FOOT APIECE, BUT WHAT CAN THEY DO? VERY VERY LITTLE. VERY LITTLE. THEN WHY BUY IT? I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK DONATED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY SO I DON'T KNOW. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE IDEA OF TRYING TO CONNECT THE METRO PARK WITH SOMETHING FURTHER SOUTH. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, THEY DIFFERENT TIMES TALKED ABOUT GOING ALONG ROCKY FORK CREEK AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE MAYBE PUTTING A LITTLE PARK AREA IN THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT YOU COULD GAIN ACCESS TO OR I WOULD BE I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT PART. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, SMALL COMMUNITY PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU GOT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE THERE THAT THEIR KIDS WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
YEAH. IF I COULD INTERJECT THAT PROPERTY IS, AS YOU STATED, IS OWNED BY CITY OF COLUMBUS AND IT'S A RECENT, PART OF COLUMBUS, COLUMBUS DOES HAVE A BIGGER GOAL OF BEING MORE GREEN AND ALSO BEING CONNECTED. SO HENCE WHY THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE CONNECTION FROM THIS PROPERTY TO THAT CREEK AS PART OF OPEN SPACE. RIGHT? IN ADDITION TO, MISS PITTMAN GRANGER'S COMMENTS, THE, LINK US PROJECT IS DEVELOPING A, GREENWAY TRAIL SYSTEM PLAN OF PROJECTS. AND THERE IS ONE DESIGNATED FOR THE ROCKY FORK IN THIS AREA FROM CENTRAL COLLEGE TO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. SO IN YOUR VICINITY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I HAVE ONE THAT'S MORE FOR OUR PANEL. THIS IS BEING PRESENTED AS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO PRESENT IT OR TO, SWITCH IT TO AN ACTUAL, REVIEW? WELL ALL WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE A VOTE ON THAT, BUT I WANTED TO MAYBE HAVE DISCUSSION FIRST. I'M CHANGING IT TO JUST APPLICATION. I AM TOO. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY NOT. AND IT'S BEEN A GOOD PRESENTATION. A GOOD ADDITION TO PHASE ONE. OKAY, MAYBE WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CHANGE IT TO A WHAT'S THE PROPER CHANGE IT TO A FULL REVIEW OR ACTUAL REVIEW? SINCE I'M IN COLUMBUS, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY, SO MOVED THAT WE CONVERT FROM A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW TO A FORMAL APPLICATION, FORMAL APPLICATION, AND I GUESS I CAN SECOND, OKAY, OKAY. AND WE'LL CALL THE ROLL ON THAT. MR. PAUL. YES, MR. BRUBAKER? YES MR. SMITHERS. YES MR. HERSKOWITZ
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YES. MR. CHAPELLIER YES. MR. HARPER. YES OKAY. AND ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THE APPLICATION ? IF I ALSO CAN INTERJECT ONCE MORE, SOME OF OUR CONCERNS WERE THE TREE PRESERVATION AND ALSO KNOWING HOW MANY TREES WERE PRESERVED AND WHICH ONES WOULD BE REMOVED. AND SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION AS FAR AS MAKING A VOTE TO APPROVE AS IS. AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE THE CONDITION THAT THAT 25 FOOT PERIMETER OR WHATEVER NUMBER OF TREES WOULD BE PRESERVED AS PART OF THE CONDITION OF YOUR APPROVAL, THAT IS ALSO AN OPTION. OKAY YEAH, I THINK, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE GROUP, CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT, I THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE CONDITIONS ON THIS. AND, DO WE NEED TO, TO SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT THOSE ARE OR CAN YOU CAPTURE THOSE? YOU WOULD NEED TO, LET US KNOW WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE. SO, TREE PRESERVATION REALLY ACROSS THE, THE, THE, PARCEL LANDSCAPE. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN. HAS A TREE STUDY BEEN DONE AT THIS POINT TO KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TREES THAT MAY BE? THE ONLY WAY TO EXPRESS THIS IS PERCENTAGE OF EXISTING TREES RETAINED. I THINK MAYBE FIVE OFFERS SUGGESTED. OBVIOUSLY. COULD YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE JARED. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT QUITE A FEW TREES ARE GOING TO COME DOWN WHERE THE PROPOSED BASIN IS. SO I THINK IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE FROM A TREE PRESERVATION PERSPECTIVE IS A, I'LL CALL IT AROUND THE EXISTING ONE AND A HALF ACRE NORTHERN PARCEL, SO TO SPEAK, I PUT A TREE PRESERVATION ZONE, 25 FOOT PERIMETER AROUND ALL THREE SIDES. I'LL CALL IT A NO TOUCH ZONE, SO TO SPEAK, AND THAT SHOULD GIVE THEM MORE THAN ENOUGH TREE PRESERVATION, BUT ALSO GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY OUT. I, I HESITATE TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO DO A 25 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE AGAINST BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON A 25 FOOT SETBACK. IT'S JUST I WE ALWAYS TRY TO RETAIN AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU AROUND THE THOSE THREE SIDES, THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE BASE AND THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE BASIN AND THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BASIN, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT I CAN MAINTAIN A MINIMUM OF A 25 FOOT KIND OF PRESERVATION ZONE. AT A MINIMUM, IT PROBABLY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE NORTHERN PORTION, BUT UNTIL WE'RE IN THERE AND DOING REAL ENGINEERING, I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO. IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BASIN, IS IT LIKELY TO, BASICALLY DESTROY A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THE WELL, THE OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING TREES I'M SHOWING CURRENTLY ON THERE OR OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TREES CURRENTLY WHERE THE BASIN IS.RIGHT, RIGHT. GOTCHA. YEAH. SO MY CONCERN IS JUST THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND THE GRADING THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER. YEAH, THE BASIN, IF YOU KIND OF FLIP BACK ONE MORE TIME. SORRY I HAVE A LITTLE ROOM. IF IT'S GETTING TOO TIGHT FROM A 25 FOOT PERSPECTIVE TO MAKE SURE I MAINTAIN IT TO KIND OF, I'LL CALL IT, PULL THE BASIN AND MAKE IT MORE NORTH SOUTH BEHIND THAT GARAGE IF I NEED TO, BUT COLUMBUS HAS SOME PRETTY STRINGENT RULES AROUND, AND THEY'RE GETTING MORE STRINGENT AROUND BASINS, SO. BUT FROM A STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE, YOU DO A WET BASIN SURE LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN DRY BASINS. I GUESS THAT'S RAISES A QUESTION, TOO.
WILL THERE BE ANY KIND OF SAFETY FENCING OR ANYTHING AROUND THE BASIN? SO CITY OF COLUMBUS JUST DID OFFICIALLY THROUGH? I THINK IT IS. THERE'S SOME NEW GUIDELINES AROUND BARRIERS AND I'LL BE CANDID THAT I HAVE NOT DONE A WET BASIN IN SOME TIME, BECAUSE USUALLY I'M THE GUY ASKING FOR A LOT MORE THAN 16 UNITS AN ACRE, AND I END UP DOING UNDERGROUND RETENTION, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A NICE ADDITION, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME BARRIER LANGUAGE, WHETHER IT'S A GRASS FENCE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING ROCKS, TREES AND THE, THE, THE SPECIFICATION CALLS FOR THE FOR THE SHELF. SO WHEN YOU WALK IN YOU DON'T GO IN DEEP.
YOU GO ON TO THERE IS SHELVES ON ALL THOSE THAT WERE PASSED IN 2006 THAT THAT IS THE, THE, THE BAD NAME THAT A LOT OF BASINS HAVE GOTTEN IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS AROUND TWO SPECIFIC
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APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE VERY DEEP BASINS RIGHT OFF PLUNGE. YES YEAH, IT'S A PLUNGE STRAIGHT OFF THE BACK. THESE ALL HAVE MAXIMUM GRADE RATIOS AND SHELVES THAT ARE IN THERE. SO IT KIND OF GOES STEPS BACK UNDER THE WATER SO TO SPEAK. IF YOU HAD MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT DECLARING IT A 25 FOOT NO TOUCH ZONE. YEP OKAY. I CAN KIND OF KIND OF GO ALONG WITH THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE TREES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT IN REALITY WE SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT DUE TO THE TO HELP THE REST OF THE, THE WOODS. I MEAN, SO YOU HAVE A TREE THAT'S THREE FOURTHS DEAD AND YOU GOT TWO NICE TREES ON EACH SIDE OF IT, YOU KNOW. IS THAT ARE YOU CALLING NO TOUCH ZONE THAT STAYS THERE TOO. I WOULD CALL IT A TREE IN THE ZONING TEXT OR IN THE RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD CALL IT A TREE PRESERVATION AREA BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU. WE THERE'S TREES THAT COME DOWN ALL THE TIME AND THAT SOMETIMES THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN FOR THE HEALTH AND FOR THE REST OF THE TREES. SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A NO TOUCH. IT NEEDS TO BE. IT NEEDS TO BE A PRESERVATION. YOU KNOW, TO DEFINE THAT AS, TREE REMOVAL IS PERMITTED FOR, FOR THINGS LIKE EMERALD ASH AND VARIOUS THINGS IN THERE THAT AREN'T GOING TO THRIVE, REMOVAL OF THE UNDERSTORY AS NECESSARY TO MAKE THE MAKE THE MATURE TREES IN THERE GRANT REPAIR, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT IS. EMERALD ASH BORER THAT. YEAH. SO THE PRESERVATION OF HEALTHY TREES IS THE OBJECTIVE, RIGHT? YEAH SO 25 FOOT ZONE OF HEALTHY TREES AROUND BASIN MINIMUM ON THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST. ARE YOU PLANNING ON USING ANY OF THE, FILL COMING OUT OF YOUR BASIN AREA ON THE REST OF THE PROPERTY? ARE YOU HAVING TO TRANSPORT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE? I HAVEN'T DONE THE DIRT BALANCE ON THE SITE YET. OKAY, HOPEFULLY WE CAN USUALLY MAKE A SITE BALANCE, OUR PLAN IS TO CONNECT TO CONTRACT PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO AT THE SAME TIME. AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT STARTED PHASE ONE. SO, ALTHOUGH THAT THAT BASIN SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF DIRT FOR THREE ACRES, ONCE I SPREAD IT ACROSS THE OTHER 18. YEAH, I THINK IT'LL HOPEFULLY DISAPPEAR PRETTY QUICKLY, OR I MIGHT VERY WELL NEED IT FROM A FINAL ZONE OR A FINAL GRADING PERSPECTIVE.THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON KEEPING IT ON SITE OR AS ALWAYS, THE MOST COST EFFICIENT WAY RIGHT. EXPENSIVE TO TRUCK DIRT AWAY? YES. OR IN. SO AND THEN, THE OTHER BULLET WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, LANDSCAPING PLAN, FOR THE REST OF THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.
OKAY. I THINK THAT, STAFF HAS LISTED THEIR CONCERNS PRETTY WELL IN THE REPORT. YEAH.
PROBABLY AN APPROVAL SHOULD BE TIED TO THAT. OKAY. BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY, FOR STAFF ON THIS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS IN THAT LIST THAT PERTAIN TO THE HARLEM ROAD FRONTAGE WITH REGARD TO BICYCLE PATHS ALONG THE SIDEWALKS, IT'S ALREADY BEEN STATED. THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG THAT FRONTAGE, AND THEN, PRESERVING TREES, ALONG OR ADDING STREET TREES ALONG HARLEM ROAD. WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR PHASE ONE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WE HAVE PHASE TWO IN FRONT OF US.
THERE IS NO FRONTAGE ON HARLEM ROAD. SO HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT APPLY? SO IN PHASE ONE, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY STRETCHES TO HARLEM ROAD, THERE WERE SIDEWALKS AND STREET TREES ADDED. THE APPLICANT IS STATING THAT PHASE TWO IS NOT TOUCHING THAT FRONT PART. SO SO, IT'S PRESENTED AS WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO EXPLORE THAT AS OPPORTUNITY, BUT WE ARE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO FURTHER THAT SIDEWALK BEYOND AND OR TO ADD TREES. THEY'RE ALL ALTHOUGH THERE IS A GREATER MISSION OF THE CITY OF COLUMBUS FOR THINGS TO BE GREEN AND CONNECTED AND EVEN WITH THE, THE CREEK TO THE TO THE WEST, THAT WE WOULD LIKE THINGS TO BE CONNECTED IF POSSIBLE. COULD WE PUT IN OUR STIPULATION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS TO MAKE SURE THEY DO PUT IT IN ON THE PHASE ONE? COULD THAT BE A STIPULATION OF THIS APPROVAL IS THAT IT DOES GO ACROSS PHASE ONE. WE'RE PUTTING IT ACROSS PHASE ONE ALREADY. OKAY ZONING TEXT HAS FIVE OKAY OKAY. GOOD. YEAH.
THANK YOU. YES ARE WE READY TO VOTE? I GUESS WE'VE CAPTURED THE. YEAH. WE'LL TAKE A MOTION, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO EXPRESS THAT. TO TAKE, THE APPLICATION PLUS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS
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AND AGREEMENTS ON TREES, TREE PRESERVATION ACTION IS THAT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME, BUT IS IT CLEAR ENOUGH TO FOLD INTO THE RECORD TO MAKE THAT OFFICIAL? IF WE SAY YES, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE ARE READY. THAT'S THE 25 FOOT MINIMUM, PRESERVATION OF HEALTHY TREES EXACTLY ON THREE SIDES. YES ALL RIGHT. AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. ALL RIGHT, SO, THAT, THAT IS THAT I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WAS IT SHE SAID. OKAY. WE'LL CALL THE ROLL, MR. SMITHERS. YES, MR. BRUBAKER? YES, MR. PAUL? YES MR. HERSKOWITZ. YES MR. CHAPELLIER.YES, MR. HARPER. YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE SIX VOTES TO FAVORABLY RECOMMEND THE REZONING AND VARIANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THAT THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT BE ADDRESSED, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, THAT THE TREE. THERE'S A TREE PRESERVATION ZONE, A 25 FOOT HEALTHY TREE PRESERVATION ZONE ALONG THE EAST, NORTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE RETENTION BASIN. MINIMUM MINIMUM THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM, TREE PRESERVATION ZONE OF A MINIMUM OF 25FT. HEALTHY TREE PRESERVATION ZONE. SORRY AGAIN. MINIMUM AND REQUIRING THE INCLUSION OF A LANDSCAPING PLAN. GOOD. GOOD JOB. GUYS. CONGRATULATIONS I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU COULD JUST FOLLOW ME AROUND FOR THE REST OF MY THINGS THAT I DO EVERY DAY. I NEED YOU IN MY LIFE BEYOND THESE MEETINGS. OKAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAND OVER THE GAVEL. I'LL GAVEL TO MIKE. OKAY, YEAH, YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO READ THE, ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT. YEAH, THERE'S JUST AN ADDRESS ON IT. IT'S ALL. OH, THERE IS. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S 1104 EIGHT JOHNSTOWN ROAD. 1104 EIGHT JOHNSTOWN ROAD. YEP OKAY, APPLICANT ROB RIDDLE. OKAY. WELL, I'M JUST READING OFF OF THIS. WHAT THEY HAD, WHO THE APPLICANT WAS. OKAY. IT'S BASICALLY THE APPLICATION IS 11 11048 JOHNSTOWN ROAD. EXCEPTIONAL REVIEW REGARDING THE PLANNING TOWNSHIP APPLICATION SITE GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF JOHNSTOWN ROAD, NORTH. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE OKAY, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY, COMMENTS ? SHE HAS.
WELL. GOOD AFTERNOON, BEN COLLINS WITH PLAIN TOWNSHIP. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PLAIN TOWNSHIP AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHNSTOWN ROAD AND WALNUT STREET, ADJACENT TO BLACKLICK CREEK. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL FLOOD PLAIN THAT ENCROACHES ONTO THE PROPERTY. TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE OLDER OUTBUILDINGS. THERE USED TO BE A HOUSE ON THIS SITE UNTIL ABOUT 2007, AND IT WAS RAZED IN 2007. SO NO CURRENT INHABITANTS,
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BUT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN USED AS A RESIDENCE. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CURVE AT THIS LOCATION, SO YOU'LL SEE CHEVRONS ALONG 62, AND THERE IS ACCESS ONTO WALNUT STREET, WHICH WOULD LIKELY BE THE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT. A LITTLE BIT OF AN ELEVATION CHANGE. FROM 62 INTO THE PROPERTY LEADING DOWN TO BLACKLICK CREEK. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL, TREE STAND ALONG THE CREEK. YOU SEE THE CHEVRONS AND THAT CURVATURE. THIS AREA IS IDENTIFIED GENERALLY AS PART OF THE PARK ZONE VIA THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD LAND USE PLAN.AND SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE NOW HAVE ROCKY FORK METRO PARK WITH OVER 1100 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF 605. AT THIS TIME. AND, IT DOES EXTEND OVER TO THE BEAVER ROAD AND CONNECTS TO, BEAVER HAMMER PARK. SO WHEN THE RFP FOR THE PARK ZONE HAS A DENSITY RECOMMENDATION. BUT LARGELY REFERENCES RURAL RESIDENTIAL. RURAL RESIDENTIAL MIMICS THE BASE DENSITY ONE UNIT PER ACRE. SO THE PROPOSAL IS A DUPLEX WHICH WOULD ALLOW TWO DWELLING UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY.
ACCORDING TO THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, IT MEASURES OUT AT 2.003 ACRES. IN THE TOWNSHIP LAND USE PLAN, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THE AREAS IN GREEN AS A METRO PARK ZONE. THE REQUESTED GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE ROCKY FORK BLACK RECORD LAND USE PLAN AND THE TOWNSHIP LAND USE PLAN, BOTH OF WHICH WOULD PERMIT DENSITIES UP TO ONE UNIT PER ACRE. THE TOWNSHIP LAND USE PLAN DOES CALL FOR PRESERVING STREAMS, CREEKS, NATURAL FEATURES, ETC. AND A SECONDARY PRINCIPAL TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL FEEL ON EXISTING TOWNSHIP ROADS.
SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE LAND USE PLAN HAS A SUBSTANTIAL RURAL ROAD SETBACK, BUT ONLY ON SPECIFIC, ROADWAYS. JOHNSTOWN ROAD IS GENERALLY NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. THOSE, RED ROADWAYS ARE . NOT INCLUDED IN THE RURAL ROAD SETBACK. AS FOR TOWNSHIP ZONING, THIS IS PERMITTED IN THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AS A CONDITIONAL USE. SO UPON SUCCESSFUL REZONING, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. LIMITED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THIS USE IS PERMITTED WITHOUT ACCESS TO CENTRALIZED SEWER. IF THERE ARE AT LEAST 40,000FT■!S AVAILABLE PER UNIT, WHICH THE SITE WOULD MEET. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS, DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TYPOLOGY, INITIALLY WAS CONCEIVED OF AS A BARNDOMINIUM PROJECT TRYING TO MIMIC A BARN LIKE STRUCTURE AND FACADE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED. THE STRUCTURE IS 150FT LONG, FACING JOHNSTOWN ROAD WITH A 65 FOOT SETBACK. CURRENTLY THERE'S ONLY, 80FT OF RECORDED RIGHT OF WAY ON JOHNSTOWN ROAD. SO 40FT FROM CENTER LINE, IT'S FAIRLY NARROW, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH ODOT, IN THIS DISTRICT ABOUT FUTURE PLANS. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPED PLANS FOR THIS CORRIDOR YET. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION. A LOT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH INTEL, WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING UP TO A, TWO LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY WITH 120 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. ODOT HAS ALSO EXPRESSED INTEREST IN REALIGNING SEVERAL OF THESE RURAL INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE AT ACUTE ANGLES TO TRY TO IMPROVE, CROSSING SAFETY, AS YOU MAY KNOW, PLAIN TOWNSHIP IS HOME TO MANY ROUNDABOUTS. WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT AT THIS LOCATION, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY. THE PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE EXISTING TREE LINE, THIS SITE PLAN KEEPS ALL STRUCTURES OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. ONE OF THE
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HARDSCAPE, PATIOS DOES INTRUDE INTO THE FLOODPLAIN JUST SLIGHTLY, BUT OTHERWISE, ALL IMPROVEMENTS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE WALNUT STREET AS A PRIMARY EGRESS. A COUPLE OF CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS. AGAIN, THERE'S A SHARED BARN STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THE APPLICANT CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE CONCEPT AND THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THIS WOULD BE UTILIZED. BUT IT WOULD BE DESIGNED FOR ACCOMMODATING, TWO DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS. AND THERE'S A SEPARATE STORAGE UNIT ON THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY . IS THAT ONE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS? NO, EVERYTHING WOULD BE NEW. AND THEN THERE IS A COVERED PORCH ON EACH END, ONE FACING NORTH, ONE FACING SOUTH. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY, MR. ROB RIDDLE, I'M SURE YOU'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR SHARE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THIS IS LISTED AS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, BUT IT IS A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD SINGLE PROPERTY REZONING, IT MORE OR LESS DOES COMPLY WITH OUR LAND USE PLAN, AND IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE REQUESTED REZONING TO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. NO, THANK. YEAH, WE HAVE TO SWEAR. HE SWORE. YEAH.YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, I DO.
SORRY PLEASE CONTINUE. OH, YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR ROUGHLY TEN YEARS, WHEN I INITIALLY ACQUIRED IT, IT WAS WITH THE INTENT OF CONSTRUCTING A BARNDOMINIUM. SO I WAS, IN MY EARLY 20S AND, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT THAT BE, AN ECONOMICAL WAY TO, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCT A HOME HERE. AND AT THAT TIME, BANKS DID NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF BARNDOMINIUM, YOU KNOW, POLE BARN STRUCTURE WITH LIVING QUARTERS, SO LENDING WAS KIND OF OUT, AND I ENDED UP PURCHASING A CONVENTIONAL, FREESTANDING HOME.
IT'S A HISTORIC HOME IN NEW ALBANY, BUILT IN THE 1800S. AND WE, REFURBISHED IT AND, YOU KNOW, PRETTY HAPPY LIVING THERE, BEEN SITTING ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A WHILE, AND THIS IS KIND OF, IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, MY ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WHEN I PURCHASED IT. MY, YOU KNOW, HOPE WOULD BE TO, TO, I THINK I WOULD TEST IT AS AN AIRBNB OR SOME KIND OF MIDTERM RENTAL, THIS, PROPERTY IS WITHIN 2 OR 3 MILES OF THREE WEDDING VENUES, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HOST AN EVENT OR, OR A WEDDING IN NEW ALBANY, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH RELEGATED TO STAYING AT THE HYATT OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HOTELS THERE BEHIND DAIRY QUEEN. SO MY WIFE AND I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE, A NEAT PLACE WITH SOME COOL CHARACTER FOR, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING NEW ALBANY, PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY, AND THEN WITH THE INTEL SITE NOT FAR FROM HERE AND MY INVOLVEMENT IN REAL ESTATE HERE IN NEW ALBANY, I KNOW THE NEED FOR SHORT TERM AND MID-TERM FURNISHED RENTALS IS THERE AND WILL LIKELY REMAIN, SO, YEAH, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, ARE YOU SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BASICALLY TWO SEPARATE UNITS, BUT THEY'RE BOTH GOING TO BE A RENTAL UNIT? THAT'S THE INTENTION THAT THEY WOULD BE, LIKE MID-TERM OR SHORT TERM UNITS. SO I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD PUT ANY PRESSURE ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, YEAH. I MY BACKGROUND, I BOUGHT MY FIRST, RENTAL WHEN I WAS 22 YEARS OLD, I ABOUT 23 OR 24, I HAD SEVEN, AND, YOU KNOW, I GOT INTO RENTALS PRETTY EARLY, AND I AM PLEASED TO SHARE THAT I NO LONGER OWN ANY CONVENTIONAL RENTALS. SOLD, SOLD EVERY LAST ONE OF ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PROSPECT OF MIDTERM OR SHORT TERM RENTAL IS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO ME, THAN THE CONVENTIONAL RENTAL PIECE.
SOMETHING THAT I AM PROBABLY MORE AWARE OF THAN MOST, THE, THE FREESTANDING HOME, RENTAL
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INVENTORY. NEW ALBANY IS KIND OF SATURATED WITH IT RIGHT NOW, AT ONE TIME, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THERE WERE MORE HOMES FOR RENT IN NEW ALBANY THAN THERE WERE FOR SALE, I THINK THAT IS A.YEAH IT BLEW ME AWAY, I AND THE NUMBERS STILL AREN'T TOO FAR OFF, BUT, I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE SITTING OUT THERE WITH SUB 3% INTEREST RATES ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ONCE WAS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE, AND THE BELIEF THAT TOMORROW IS PERHAPS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN TODAY IN TERMS OF RESALE HAS CAUSED THEM TO FLIRT WITH THE IDEA OF HOLDING THEIR HOME. AND RENTING IT INSTEAD OF SELLING IT, AND SO WE'VE SEEN A RATHER LARGE INFLUX OF, OF KIND OF CONVENTIONAL, FREESTANDING HOME RENTALS IN NEW ALBANY, BUT THERE ARE VERY FEW AIRBNB OPTIONS, THE SHORT TERM AND MIDTERM RENTAL OPTIONS THAT EXIST ARE, I WOULD CALL THEM SOMEWHAT LACKLUSTER, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, 1970S HACH BUILT HOME ON AN ACRE WITH, LIKE, LEFT OVER BITS AND PARTS OF FURNITURE IN IT AND ALL OF THAT, SO, YEAH, I THINK THIS COULD BE A REALLY GOOD LOOK FOR THE COMMUNITY. DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PANEL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE, YEAH. SO, THE ONE IS, FROM A BUILDING CODE STANDPOINT, YOU SAID BARNDOMINIUM, WHICH IS POLE BARN TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. SURE IS THAT ALLOWED IN PIKE TOWNSHIP? IT IS BUILDING CODE WISE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WELL, BUILDING CODE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT ISSUE, THE OHIO FIRE CODE DOES NOT APPLY TO ONE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. I JUST KNOW IN CERTAIN AREAS, CERTAIN AREAS THAT THERE'S BUILDING CODES THAT ALLOW YOU TO BUILD A POLE BARN TYPE STRUCTURE. SURE COULDN'T DO IT IN GERMAN VILLAGE VICTORIAN VILLAGE. YEAH. I MEAN, MAYBE THE CITY OF NORFOLK, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, AND THEN, THE OTHER THING TOO IS SO THIS IS A SINGLE SINGLE PROPERTY AND YOU'RE PUTTING TWO UNITS ON IT, WHICH IS A LOT. THERE'S ONE UNIT PER ACRE AND IT'S ALMOST TWO ACRES, SO. BUT YOU YOUR PLAN IS TO OWN THAT AND RENT IT OUT IS THERE IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
SO TOWNSHIPS ARE MORE LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN REGULATE, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, TOWNSHIPS DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW STANDARDS, THEY ARE AUTHORIZED TO REGULATE BY ZONING CODE THE HEIGHT, SIZE, SETBACK, DEPTH, LOCATION OF STRUCTURES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THEIR BUILDING MATERIALS, AND I ONLY KNOW OF ONE TOWNSHIP THAT HAS ADOPTED SHORT TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS. THAT'S COMMENTARY TOWNSHIP IN THE CINCINNATI AREA. SO IT'S PRETTY THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. NO CURRENT CONFLICT. NO. AND SO I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION, I SAID , IF YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU DECIDE TO SELL THAT HAS TO USE, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A SINGLE LOT. AND IF YOU SELL IT AS A, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SELL US A CONDOMINIUM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONDOMINIUM IZE IT. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I DEAL WITH THAT FREQUENTLY. AND GERMAN VILLAGE, TORY VILLAGE, EVEN ARLINGTON, WHERE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A DOUBLE ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. AND THERE'S NO WATER OR SEWER THINGS. CORRECT THERE IS NOT. SO AND I CAN'T READ SOME OF THE ARROWS THERE, THERE'S A SEPTIC, SEPTIC. SO. YEAH, THAT THAT'S WHERE I STARTED WITH THIS A YEAR AGO WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT I COULD GET THE SEPTIC AND WATER, NEEDS SATISFIED. AND, I'VE BEEN, I'VE WORKED WITH STEVE MILLER, WHO'S A SOIL SCIENTIST OUT HERE, AND, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND, THEY KIND OF GIVEN ME THE GREEN LIGHT FOR A, AERATION TYPE SEPTIC SYSTEM THERE, FOR UP TO EIGHT BEDROOMS, THIS STRUCTURE PROPOSED AS PROPOSED, WOULD BE SIX BEDROOMS. SO IT WOULD BE EIGHT, EIGHT, EIGHT, SIX BEDROOMS, THREE ON EACH SIDE. OH, OKAY. IT IS THAT. AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GARAGE DOORS ON OBVIOUSLY IN THE MIDDLE THERE. AND THEN IS THAT A SEPARATE UNIT OR A GARAGE. YEAH.
SO ORIGINALLY, IF I MAY, ORIGINALLY I WAS THINKING THAT THIS COULD BE A UNIT AND THEN THIS COULD BE A UNIT HERE, AND THEN I COULD HAVE A COUPLE SINGLES UPSTAIRS, YOU KNOW, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH BEN AND MARY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER FOR, MORE APPROPRIATE WITH THE
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EXISTING ZONING TEXT TO JUST HAVE TWO, SO, THIS WOULD, WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE CUT DOWN THE MIDDLE. SO IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, A PRETTY COMMON WAY OF SPLITTING IT WHERE THE YOU KNOW, GARAGE WOULD BE THE ONLY SHARED WALL. SO THERE WOULD BE A. YEAH. SO WHY DO YOU HAVE A SEPARATE GARAGE? SO THIS SEPARATE GARAGE, BASICALLY BECAUSE THE ZONING TEXT ALLOWS ME A SINGLE, ANCILLARY BUILDING. AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS IF I EVER, SO CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO BARNS ON SITE, AND THERE'S A SAYING THAT I FREQUENTLY, SHARE WITH MY CLIENTS, IF YOU HAVE THE SPACE, YOU WILL FILL IT. SO I HAVE TWO BARNS WORTH OF STUFF, PRESENTLY. AND IF I WERE TO, END UP RENTING THESE MORE MID-TERM. SO I'VE GOT ONE, CLIENT IN NEW ALBANY THAT HAS AN AIRBNB. IT WAS A CONVENTIONAL RENTAL THAT THEY CONVERTED TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND BUT THEY FOUND IS THEY HAVE A FREQUENT MIDTERM GUESTS. SO MID-TERM, MEANING THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT RENT IT FOR 4 OR 5 MONTHS AT A TIME, THAT ARE HERE FOR WORK OR IN THE PROCESS OF REMODELING, YOU KNOW, THEIR WHOLE HOME AND VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THAT, SO IN THE EVENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK AN AIRBNB GUEST WOULD, HAVE THE DESIRE TO USE THE GARAGE OR NEED THE GARAGE, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT WE DID ANY SORT OF MIDTERM RENTAL, THE GARAGE MAY BE PART OF THAT. AND I WANTED TO HAVE A SEPARATE SPACE WHERE I COULD KEEP, YOU KNOW, MOWER AND DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT OUT THERE, ALSO, WE JUST BUILT A POLE BARN AT OUR HOUSE AND IT, YOU KNOW, WRECKED THE YARD AND THE DRIVEWAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I THOUGHT, IF I'M GOING TO DO IT, DO IT ALL IN ONE FELL SWOOP, YOU KNOW, FINANCE IT ALL AT ONCE, BUILD IT AT ONCE, AND THEN I CAN, YOU KNOW, REPLACE THE LANDSCAPING AND DO EVERYTHING ONE TIME. SO IN THIS BACKS UP TO THE CREEK AND THERE THERE IS NOT. THERE'S PLENTY YOU HAVE A LOT OF I FORGET THIS THE OVERALL VIEW.BUT THE TWO QUESTIONS ONE IS YOU'RE NOT IMPEDING IN THE ON THE CREEK. AND NUMBER TWO IS THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'S ONLY YOU CAN ONLY COVER SO MUCH OF THE LOT AND YOU'RE UNDER THAT. WE ARE. YEAH. WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. AND WE'VE GOT A FAIR DISTANCE BACK FROM THE CREEK, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF HOW THE FLOODPLAIN, COMES UP RIGHT IN THIS AREA. THEN YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BEING BUILT ON THE FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S ONE OF THESE LITTLE PATIOS IN THE BACK SO IT COULD GET, YOU KNOW, CUT DOWN. BUT I THOUGHT, IT'S IN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. IT'S A CONCRETE OR PAVER PATIO. PROBABLY NOT A REAL CONCERN THERE. IT'LL DRY OUT. YEAH I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE OF ANY SERIOUS CONSEQUENCE, IF THE WATER EVER CAME UP TO THE PATIO, BUT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, BEN, IS TOWNSHIP HAVE A FLOODPLAIN CODE? WE DO HAVE A REGULATION REGARDING THE FLOODPLAIN. IT PROHIBITS ANY STRUCTURES WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN . I'M THINKING ABOUT CITIES THAT HAVE, FEMA, A FLOODPLAIN THAT COMPLIES WITH FEMA REGULATIONS. FOR THE, STRUCTURE WALL IS TO BE 20 FOOT OFFSET FROM THE FLOODPLAIN, NOT LIKE FOR NEW ALBANY, FOR EXAMPLE. IT'S REFUGE LIKE FOR THAT BACK WALL WOULD NEED TO BE CUT YOUR FLOODPLAIN LINE OR YOUR PATIO MIGHT BE IN IT, BUT THAT THAT WALL WOULD NEED TO BE 20 FOOT BACK. IT HAS TO DO WITH CPG. AND IS THERE GOING TO BE BASEMENTS, NO. SO THE BARNDOMINIUM STYLE IS CONVENTIONAL SLAB ON GRADE CONSTRUCTION. AND WHAT WHAT IS IT? THAT CONCRETE AREA THAT'S WITHIN 200 FOOT THAT THROWS IT OUT OF MAINTAINING THE, RURAL CHARACTER? IS IT SETBACK WHERE THE, WHERE THE GARAGE IS SHOWN? WHAT WHAT? YOU KNOW, THE CRITERIA SAYS IT DOESN'T MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER YOU MENTIONED. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, BUT IS IT DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE 200 FOOT? WELL, WHICH OTHERWISE WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS CLOSER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY THAN THE ADJACENT HOMES. SO THAT'S ONE ELEMENT, THE, THE NATURE OF THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, IN THE APPENDIX AND THE APPENDING OF THE ZONING OFFICE WAS, WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE RURAL CHARACTER, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT, TYPE OLOGY, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING, PROPOSED THAT
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MIGHT HELP SCREEN IT, BUT THERE IS NO EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THAT RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS SHARED CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT, POTENTIAL CHALLENGES WITH, TRAFFIC OR THE ORIENTATION OF THE ROADWAY, BUT I THINK THE LACK OF ANY SIGNIFICANT SETBACK OR SCREENING CONTRIBUTED TO THAT FINDING. OKAY. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY, HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY ARE YOU WILLING TO DEDICATE OR HOW MUCH DO WE NEED, OR HOW MUCH DO WE WANT? OR IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED? IT WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION. WE CONSULTED WITH ODOT. WHAT DO THEY RECOMMEND AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS ODOT MAY COME BACK, REQUESTING OR ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FUTURE. BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC THAT ALL GET HAMMERED OUT FOR YOU. YEAH. MY RECOLLECTION, IS THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY 40FT OF RIGHT AWAY. SO THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT MORE THAN WHAT YOU FIND ON MANY OF THE ADJACENT, ROADS, YEAH. I BELIEVE THERE'S 40FT OF RIGHT OF WAY PRESENTLY FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD. SO THEY'VE GOT IT ALL. I HAVE, THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOME? I DID, YES. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. I THINK WITH A BARNDOMINIUM TYPE OF CONCEPT. I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY ADMIRABLE.BUT MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING ALONG 62. AND AT THAT CORNER, I THINK THAT IT IS VERY, VERY OUT OF PLACE WITH THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH AN ANOMALY IN THAT LOCATION, AND THEN THE PARKING, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PROPOSED PARKING AND STRIPING ON BOTH THE, I GUESS, WHAT WOULD BE THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE COMMERCIAL PARKING TO ME THAN RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN ALSO JUST ECHOING SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT LANDSCAPING, SCREENING, ETC. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A VERY MASSIVE STRUCTURE COMPARED TO WHAT'S ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING. YEAH I WOULD SAY, THAT GIVEN THE PLANE OF THE ROAD. SO I'VE BEEN MENTIONED THE, THE SLOPE, THE ROAD IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE, THE LOT ITSELF, THERE'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GOOD 15 FOOT DROP THERE. IT WILL NOT, THE BUILDING IS NO TALLER THAN A TWO STORY BUILDING, IT IS, COMMENCED WITH A TWO STORY HOME KIND OF THING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOME, JUST IN THE FAR VIEW THERE, THE OLD REDMOND PROPERTY, DOESN'T HAVE A TOTALLY DISSIMILAR FOOTPRINT FROM THAT, WHICH HAD A LARGE DETACHED BARN, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY KIND OF COMPLEMENTARY IN SCALE TO THAT STRUCTURE. BUT I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S SET DOWN SOME DOES, HELP WITH THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I DID NOT HAVE A, ARCHITECTURAL FIRM DRAW THAT UP. THAT WAS DONE ON GOOGLE SKETCHUP, BY NOT A PROFESSIONAL, SO I CAN'T SAY THAT THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES ARE IN PERFECT SCALE WITH THE SITE.
UNDERSTOOD. YEAH, YEAH. BUT I DO THINK THE FOOTPRINT, IF YOU TAKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU'RE JUST UNDER A FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT 6800FT■!S, AND THAT'S JUST THE MAIN LEVEL. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY IMMENSE COMPARED TO, I'M SURE, THOSE NEIGHBORING HOMES. I SOLD THE HOME, NORTH, I'M SORRY.
IT WAS THE SOUTH, THAT, THIS GRAY ONE. AND IT WAS ABOUT 7200FT■!S, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY IT, IT WOULD ALMOST MIRROR ON EITHER SIDE OF WALNUT, THAT IS A, 30 BY 40 ATTACHED, LIKE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SHOP. AND THEN IT'S THERE'S LIKE ANOTHER 3 OR 4 CAR GARAGE, SIZE STRUCTURE THAT IS SEGWAYING TO THE HOME. AND THEN A GARAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU. SCOTT'S QUESTION THEN POINTED OUT THAT THE PARKING ON BOTH ENDS IS BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TERM RENT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE. THAT WAS MY THINKING IN IT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T. IT IS MY CONCERN TO LIKE AND AGAIN, I KNOW THIS PROBABLY ISN'T THE SCALE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF MY ORIGINAL CONCERN WAS THERE SEEMED LIKE A HUGE FOOTPRINT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE ALL THE PARKING AND THE DRIVEWAY AND THE ADDITIONAL GARAGE, BESIDES THE OTHER TWO. YEAH IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF, A LOT OF
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COMPETITION THAT I COULD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I COULD DO TWO THINGS. I CAN, I CAN BRING IN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, SOME WITH THE GARAGE NOT HOUSING THINGS, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T TAKING UP THE BULK OF IT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAY, THE PARKING, PARKING IN FRONT, IT'S A LOT OF ASPHALT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE ASPHALT. IT'D PROBABLY BE CHIP SEAL, BUT A CHIP AND SEAL, IT'S A PERMEABLE, THE MY THOUGHT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING I WANT IS PEOPLE PARKING IN THE GRASS AND ALL OF THAT, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS MOST APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE, AMPLE PARKING IS THREE BEDROOMS, THREE BEDROOMS PER UNIT. YEAH. SO YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE THAT MANY CARS? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD. I JUST THOUGHT, YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT TWO GARAGES IN THE BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT YOU WOULD. I MEAN, WHERE MY HEAD WENT WITH THIS, WAS OKAY, IF YOU'RE HAVING A WEDDING AT JORGENSEN'S OR THE OAKS AND SAY, THE BRIDAL PARTY WANTS TO. INSTEAD OF GETTING A ROOM OR A BLOCK OF ROOMS AT THE HYATT, WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, AN AIRBNB FOR THE BRIDAL PARTY OR SOMETHING, THAT THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH PARKING IF, YOU KNOW, 3 OR 4 PEOPLE WERE STAYING THERE. RIGHT. IF THERE ARE THREE ROOMS KIND OF THING, ASSUMING THEY ALL HAVE SEPARATELY. BUT AGAIN, IT'S, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD WENT ON IT, AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE BLOCKED IN SORT OF THING EITHER. LIKE, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE PARKING IN THE WAY OF OTHER, FOLKS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONCERN FOR SO. YEAH. SO ONE OTHER QUESTION WAS WITH YOUR LAST COMMENT, IS THOSE PARKING SPACES THE NUMBER OF THEM, I BET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CODE IS. IS IT TWO PER DWELLING UNIT OR. YOU KNOW, OUR TOWNSHIP ZONING WON'T HAVE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS PER DWELLING UNIT. OKAY. THANK YOU, SO TO GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE COULD BE FIVE CARS THERE WITH THEN AN ENTIRE BRIDAL PARTY STAYING IN ONE SIDE AND POSSIBLY THE OTHER.I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO RENT IT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, I GUESS, IF A BRIDAL PARTY RENTED IT, BUT, YEAH. AND AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY I LIVE ON, ON, ABOUT TWO ACRES IN NEW ALBANY AND, MY WIFE, NEITHER ONE OF US PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT, WITHOUT HAVING THE OPTION FOR STREET PARKING, IF WE HAVE ANY GUESTS OVER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OUR ONLY OPTION FOR PARKING IS IN OUR DRIVEWAY, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NATURALLY WHERE MY HEAD WENT TO WAS YOU WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE A PLACE TO PARK SO THEY AREN'T PARKING IN THE YARD KIND OF THING. IF THAT, WERE TO COME UP, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S, NOT A GREAT WAY TO DO ANY KIND OF, LIKE, COURTYARD THING IN THE MIDDLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST BASED ON THE NARROW NATURE OF THE LOT, SO A LOT OF THOUGHT WAS GIVEN, I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHAT'S THE WORD? I'M LOOKING FOR? FLANKING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OFFSET BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DIMENSION IN THE STRUCTURE, BUT, GIVEN THE NARROW NATURE OF THE LOT, IT WAS IT WAS DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE THAT. I HAVE A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION FOR YOU, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE BY ANY MEANS. AND I UNDERSTAND THE TOWNSHIP WOULDN'T REQUIRE YOU TO, BUT IF SOMEBODY WAS TOWING A BOAT OR, HORSE TRAILER OR A HOT ROD OR WHATEVER AND WANTED TO STAY HERE, WHERE WOULD THAT VEHICLE BE PARKED OR COULD IT BE PARKED? YEAH, SO, I MEAN, IT COULD BE PARKED IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES. THE GARAGES AREN'T, YOU KNOW, BEING USED IF THIS IS IN THE AIRBNB, LIKE, KIND OF HYPOTHETICAL. YEAH, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSE IT COULD BE PARKED, LIKE, RIGHT ALONG THIS EDGE OR, LIKE, KIND OF ON THE MOUTH OF THE DRIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I FREQUENTLY TOW A TRAILER OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, TURN LIKE, I ESSENTIALLY JUST PARK HERE, PULL MY MOWER OFF, MOW, AND THEN I'LL BACK IT OUT THERE AND GO. SO I TRY NOT TO GO
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FURTHER THAN I HAVE TO WITH THE TRAILER. SURE JUST THINKING AGAIN ABOUT THE SHORT TERM USE, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT COULD BE RECREATIONAL, THERE COULD BE AN RV OR SOME OTHER KIND OF VEHICLE THAT THEY NEED TO ACCOMMODATE. SO YEAH. DOES THE TOWNSHIP HAVE ANY ZONING ISSUES ABOUT PARKING AN RV THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ANY TIME THERE'S A TIME PERIOD THAT WOULD APPLY TO PARKING A VEHICLE, LIKE UP TO SEVEN DAYS, IT'S GOING TO BE LONGER THAN THAT. WE DO HAVE RESTRICTIONS. PEOPLE ARE COMING, YOU HAVE GROUPS, AND THEN SOMEBODY, LIKE, BREAKS IT DOWN.I'LL STAY IN THE RV AND I'LL SUDDENLY HAVE, LIKE, TWO RVS PARKED THERE AND. SURE. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I COULD PROBABLY PUT SOME RESTRICTION THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A IT'S PROBABLY NOT GREAT FOR ME TO BE RENTING RVS AND THEN LET SOMEBODY PARK A TRAILER THERE AND STAY THERE FOR FREE. EVERYTHING IS FOR A FINAL, BUT WHEN YOU SEE, ELEVATE OR ACTUAL CONCEPT OR DRAWINGS AND STUFF, MATERIALS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A TWO SCALE DRAWING WITH ELEVATIONS OF, BUT PER TOWNSHIP ZONING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED. OKAY OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, OR MAYBE CONCERNS OR MY FIRST, 62. THERE IS GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT. IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE ONCE INTEL AND JUST UP AROUND THE CORNER. I SAW A DRAWING THE OTHER DAY THAT HAD, A LARGE AREA THAT SAID MICROSOFT . SO MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING TO KEEP GROWING. AND IF YOU GO JUST ANOTHER PROBABLY A MILE UP THE ROAD, YOU CAN SEE WHAT LICKING COUNTY HAS DONE LAST SUMMER WITH WIDENING THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING. BUT CONCERNS ME IS AT SOME POINT NEW ALBANY IS PROBABLY GOING TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH, SO THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO WIDEN THE ROAD.
AND WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, I COULD FORESEE EITHER WALNUT STREET CONTINUING FURTHER , TO THE, EAST, PAST THE COUNTY LINE AND TYING IN WITH, ONE OF THOSE ROADS. WILL IT BE BEACH OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME OF THOSE, AT WHICH POINT THE STATE CAN VERY EASILY SAY, THIS IS A HARD INTERSECTION TO GET OUT OF. WE NEED A ROUNDABOUT HERE, THEY'RE PUTTING ONE AT FANCHER AND 605 RIGHT NOW. THAT AREA IS CLOSED FOR THE SUMMER. AND THERE'S LOOKING AT ONE AT WALNUT STREET AND 605. WHAT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, THEN, YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'LL BE BID OUT IN 25. OKAY SO WE GOT ONE THERE ON WALNUT STREET ALREADY. AND NOW YOU'RE COMING DOWN TO THE NEXT MAJOR HIGHWAY. WALNUT STREET WILL PROBABLY PICK UP ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC JUST TO GET FROM 605 TO 62. SO I CAN I CAN EASILY SEE SOMEBODY WANTING TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT IN THERE. BUT, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF MY CONCERNS. IF THEY DO PUT IN A ROUNDABOUT, THAT'S GOING TO CUT OUT A WHOLE LOT OF YOUR ENTRYWAY COMING IN. AND ALSO YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF FOOTAGE FOR YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM. AND, THAT THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SOIL TYPE IS RIGHT THERE, BUT I KNOW FROM HAVING A PROPERTY IN PLAIN TOWNSHIP, MY, LEACHING SYSTEM WAS WAS TERRIBLE. SO I HAD TO BRING IN A NUMBER OF TRUCKLOADS OF BASICALLY, DIRT. THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE LEACHING. LEACHING OUT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS OR NOT BEING THAT CLOSE TO BLACKLICK CREEK FOR YOUR OVERFLOW, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET RID OF ALL YOUR WASTE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM MAY HAVE TO BE, CONSIDERABLY LARGER IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TIMES OF LOTS OF PEOPLE FLUSHING TOILETS LOTS OF TIMES. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS. AND LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, I LIKE BARNS OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL IT FITS WITH THE EXISTING HOUSES RIGHT THERE. BUT AT ONE POINT AND I DON'T KNOW, BEN, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME ON THIS. AT ONE POINT THEY WERE LOOKING AT BEING THE CORRIDOR COMING UP ON 62, BEING MORE OF A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. IS THAT OFF THE BOOKS NOW, OUR PLAIN TOWNSHIP LAND USE PLAN STILL INCLUDES COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT CORRIDOR, THE PINK THROUGH THERE IS INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. OKAY.
BUT THAT'S ON THE ON THE, SO THE WEST SIDE, WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, NOT THE EAST SIDE. YEAH, YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I ALMOST THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE
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TRYING TO DO IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL ASPECT, AS OPPOSED TO A RESIDENTIAL ASPECT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND LOTS OF CARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ARE THERE BEEN ANY TALK AT ALL ABOUT WATER LINES GOING BETWEEN NEW ALBANY AND JOHNSTOWN UP THE 62 CORRIDOR? NOT SINCE 1988. OKAY. THAT'S IT. JUST JUST CHECKING, MR. CHEVALIER MENTIONED THE WALNUT STREET EXTENSION, SO THERE'S, IS STILL AN, ON THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. THE FRANKLIN COUNTY, THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP LAND USE PLAN ALL INCLUDE A EXTENSION OF WALNUT TO BEECH ROAD. OKAY. I SOMETHING I PAY A LITTLE BIT OF ATTENTION TO OWNING PROPERTY THERE ON THAT CORNER FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, AND, I'VE HAD FAIRLY RECENT CONVERSATION WITH MIKE BARKER HERE AT THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND, PER BEN'S RECOMMENDATION, I HAD, CORRESPONDENCE WITH FRANKLIN COUNTY. DEPARTMENT OF ROADS, REGARDING, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY, ANY INTENTION TO CHANGE THAT, THAT CORRIDOR, WIDEN IT, ADD ROUNDABOUT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AND WHERE DO WE STAND ON THE EXTENSION OF WALNUT, AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD BY MIKE BARKER THAT, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WHEN INTEL WAS ANNOUNCED, THEY SAID, OKAY, HERE ARE THE KIND OF OPTIONS WE HAVE WHERE WE CAN, EXTEND THOROUGH WAYS AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CREATE MORE AVENUES FOR TRAFFIC TO FLOW, HE TOLD ME THAT THAT HAS SINCE KIND OF BEEN, WALKED AWAY FROM THAT. THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTIES, THAT THEY JUST DECIDED THEY WERE BETTER, THEY WERE BETTER OFF, IMPROVING EXISTING ROADWAYS THAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CREATING A NEW ONE THROUGH THAT AREA. SO I DON'T THEY NO ONE I'VE TALKED TO SEEM TO THINK, THAT THE EXTENSION OF WALNUT WAS VERY LIKELY IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN MYSELF IF, IF I MAY ASK, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER NEAR FUTURE, 10 TO 15 YEARS, I GUESS THAT'S. YEAH JUST I'M SURE I'M. SO THEN THE ORANGE HERE, THAT'S CONSIDERED. WHAT? THAT'S A GERM. THAT'S WHAT INTENDED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THE PINK IS, RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT IN THE GREEN IS, THIS RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION ZONE AND THE PROPERTIES RIGHT HERE. YEAH CORRECT. THAT'S. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. THE GARAGE IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS. IS THAT A TWO STORY ELEMENT, OR IS THERE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THAT ON THE SECOND FLOOR? IT'S A TWO STORY ELEMENT. SO INITIALLY IN CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, BUT SPACE ABOVE IT. RIGHT. THERE'S AN ECONOMY TO, BUILDING WITHIN THE EXISTING FRAME OR STRUCTURE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT, THAT IS SOMETHING I KIND OF ABANDONED OR WALKED AWAY FROM. SO YEAH. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHTY. WELL, AT THIS POINT. THIS. SINCE THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE SOME OF, OUR THOUGHTS AND EVERYTHING AND REDO ANYTHING OR YOU STILL WANT TO GO WITH WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT. THAT WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS A FORMAL APPLICATION.SO OUR TOWNSHIP ZONING AND THE ORC REALLY DON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING FOR THIS LEVEL OF REZONING FROM RURAL TO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, DENSITY, AND AGAIN, HE'LL HAVE TO WRITE AND AGAIN, HE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE, AT WHICH POINT MAYBE HE, FULLY DEVELOPS THE CONCEPT AND HAS MORE RENDERINGS, ETC. BUT FOR OUR FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE THAT WAS NOT FOR THIS LEVEL OF REZONING BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SUPERFICIAL REQUIREMENT. OKAY, OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING WE HAVE TO TALK ON THIS APPLICATION? NO, I THINK SO. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. SHE'S BEN'S RIGHT HAND GUY. OH, GOTCHA. I
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DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A QUESTION. YEAH. WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ENGAGED AND INCLUDED. SO YOU GOT TO GET IN THERE. OKAY? OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. WELL I DO WE THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE FOR US TO REQUIREMENT FROM US. YEAH. YES. WE MAKE A WELL, WE CAN SWITCH IT FOR JUST THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO PUT HIS PLANS TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING AND BRING IT TO US AGAIN. IS THAT CORRECT? MAN FROM FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, OR WOULD HE JUST WOULD HE JUST COME BACK TO YOU GUYS SO HE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL. SO LIKE THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS INCLUDE LIGHTING, LANDSCAPE BUFFERING. SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S AFTER THE REZONING HAS BEEN APPROVED. SO FOR NOW HE DOESN'T HAVE TO. HE'S NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ANYTHING. IN ADDITION, AT THIS TIME, SO IF HE HAD TO COME IN HERE AND DIDN'T SHOW US ANYTHING ABOUT HIS DRAWINGS OR ANYTHING, HE JUST WANTED TO REZONE, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. WELL THAT'S ALL THE TOWNSHIP ZONING WOULD REQUIRE. AND HERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.SO WHAT IS THE OVERLAP BETWEEN THE RFP IS LEVEL OF REVIEW OR TOWNSHIP ZONING REQUIREMENT? OKAY. WELL WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AS TO, WE JUST ACCEPT IT AS A REZONING WITHOUT THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? YEAH. I WOULD, MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE, MAKE IT INTO AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING. GOOD, GOOD. CLARIFY THAT IF WE COULD. SO WE'RE TAKING OFF THE TABLE. ANY REVIEW OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED OR IT WILL HAPPEN. IT IS. I HEAR THAT RIGHT? THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THE WAY THE TOWNSHIP ZONING RESOLUTION IS CONSTRUCTED, THE, REZONING FROM RURAL TO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL IS VERY SUPERFICIAL DENSITY, ROADWAY FRONTAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN TO OBTAIN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE, THE DUPLEX, THE TWO DWELLING UNIT, HE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL STUFF OKAY. AND THAT IS AFTER US. OR DOES IT COME BACK THROUGH, THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE FULL REZONING PROCESS. SO AFTER THE RPA, AFTER FRANKLIN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, AFTER IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY LEGISLATION AT THE TOWNSHIP LEVEL, THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. I'LL KEEP THE MOTION AS IS BASED ON THAT. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND. MISTER SMITHERS. YES, MISTER BRUBAKER? YES MISTER PAUL? YES MISTER HERSKOWITZ, NO. MISTER CHAPELLIER. NO! MISTER HARPER! NO! IT'S OPEN TODAY, I WILL TYPE THE OR TYPE THE MOTION. THE MOTION FAILS. OKAY OKAY, GOOD. COULD I SAY SOMETHING? SINCE. SINCE IT HAS FAILED, I LIKE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT YOUR CONCEPT, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO CHECK A LITTLE FURTHER TO GET BASICALLY THE THREE TOWNSHIP MEMBERS, TO UNDERSTAND MORE AS TO WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO DO, AND, AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT. AND YOU HAD MADE THE COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEAR TERM OR WHATEVER IT WAS , TEN OR 5 TO 10 YEARS OR WHATEVER. BUT WE'VE SEEN EVERYTHING GROW IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. UNBELIEVABLY AND THAT'S THAT'S PERSONALLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I DO THINK THAT BEFORE LONG, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU MAKE A LARGE INVESTMENT AND FIND OUT THAT, THEY'RE THEY'RE COMING, PUTTING THAT ROAD THROUGH AND JUST GOING TO WIPE YOU OUT FAR AS ABILITY TO GET ON THE ROAD OR AROUND THE ROAD. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME. THAT'S IN RESPONSE TO THAT CONCERN. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT SPURRED THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS AS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, CARRYING AND MAINTAINING THIS PROPERTY FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS IS IF THE STATE WERE TO ENFORCE, SAY, EMINENT DOMAIN AND TAKE THAT PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A ROUNDABOUT AND, EXPANDING THE ROAD OR STRAIGHTENING THE ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN WHICH WAY WOULD THEY VALUE IT? THEY VALUE IT BASED ON, YOU
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KNOW, WHAT I PURCHASED AT TEN YEARS AGO? WOULD THEY TEND TO VALUE IT BASED ON THE PRICE PER ACRE IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, THERE'S IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO EVALUATE, I THINK, AND SOME MIGHT CALL ME AN EXPERT ON PROPERTY VALUATION HERE, BUT, I THINK IF I HAD AN ESTABLISHED BASIS OF, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT I, YOU KNOW, INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME, AND THIS IS THE REVENUE THAT IT PRODUCES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THAT THERE WOULD BE A MORE CLEAR CUT, DEFINED WAY OF ESTABLISHING VALUE IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S AS OPPOSED TO UNIMPROVED LAND, WHICH IS IN A SENSE WHERE IT IS NOW. IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S JUST EXACTLY. YEAH. AND I THINK, THAT'S CERTAINLY UNIQUE LOT. SO YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE GIVEN CONSIDERATION TO DEVELOPING THIS AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHAT IT IS PRESENTLY ZONED FOR, FOR THE REASONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, LARGELY, YOU KNOW, JUST MOMENTS AGO ABOUT TRAFFIC ON 62, COULDN'T YOU ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, COULDN'T YOU SAY, WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO BUILD TWO HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY OR SELL THEM BOTH? WE'VE ALREADY SAID THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO DO TWO. IS THAT NOT CORRECT, BEN? HE WOULD STILL HAVE TO REZONE IT . WELL, HE HE WOULD STILL HAVE TO REZONE THE LOT. SPLIT AND THEN HE WOULD DO A LOT SPLIT, WHICH WOULD LIKELY NOT BE APPROVED BASED ON THE LOT SPLIT REQUIREMENTS IN FRANKLIN COUNTY.YOU SAY IT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED? NO NO. COULD YOU BUILD A DUPLEX? YOUR ABILITY TO BASICALLY COULD YOU BUILD IT TWO HOMES LIKE INCOME CONDOMINIUM, I GUESS. YEAH OR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE AMOUNT OF COVER, BOTH ON PARKING AND THE BUILDING ITSELF. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO WOULD COULD YOU COME UP WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER CONCEPT SO THAT IN CASE IT HAD TO BE A ROUNDABOUT BUILT THERE, OR THE ROAD HAD TO BE WIDENED, THAT IT WAS A CONDITION OF AS MUCH LAND SPACE? I MEAN, MAYBE, I COULD SHOW YOU THE DRAWINGS. AND AGAIN, I THINK IF I HAD AN ARCHITECT DRAW, THEN MAYBE IT WOULD BE MORE. YEAH. APPROPRIATE. JUST. AND THAT WAS MY, YOU KNOW, I WAS I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE AMOUNT OF SURFACE SPACE AND ENLARGE LESS AND SO FORTH, BUT IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHRINK THAT SOME OR SOMEHOW. AND I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE YOUR, YOUR I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK. I GUESS, LIKE BECAUSE BUILDING A SINGLE, THERE'S A LOT OF ABSTRACTION THAT I THINK MAYBE IS WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS. TRY TO CUT THE ABSTRACTION OUT A LITTLE BIT, WHERE DO WE GO? JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WAS NOT A MOTION ON THE MERITS, THAT IT WAS JUST A MOTION ON TO CONVERT THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW TO, AN ACTION. YEAH. SO, WE'RE SO, SO YOU'RE REMAINED IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE. THERE'S THIS IS NOT FAILED ON THE MERITS. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE. YOU CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT. YEAH. ON A FORMAL APPLICATION. GOT IT. CORRECT. YEAH IT IS THIS ONCE YOU VOTE ON THE MERITS. AND ACTUALLY THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IT WAS CONCEPTUAL.
WE GAVE INPUT. BUT THEN WE TRY TO CONVERT IT TO A FORMAL AND THAT FAILED. SO IT'S REALLY GOING BACK TO IT'S JUST A CONCEPTUAL. HE CAN COME BACK IN. YEAH IN IT PROCEEDS UNDER THE REGULAR PROCESS. YEAH. CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND A SECOND HEARING FOR REVIEW AND ACTION.
YEAH WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED. AND DOESN'T HE HAVE TO HE STILL HAS THE OPTION TO GO TO THE TOWNSHIP. YEAH. EVEN IF IT FAILS HE'LL STILL BE REQUIRED TO GO TO THE TOWNSHIP. THIS IS ADVISORY. AS WELL AS FRANKLIN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S A NON-BINDING RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU STILL HAVE OPTIONS? YEAH IF I COULD MAKE ONE FINAL COMMENT, AND THAT IS THAT I JUST ALSO FEEL THAT, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT ALMOST, WELL, 8000FT■!S OF RESIDENTIAL ON THIS LOT THAT. YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S A LOT. AND I'M NOT PARTICULARLY AGAINST, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING TWO DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S JUST WAY OUT OF SCALE IN TERMS OF THE MASS FOR THAT LOT. ANY ADDITIONAL GARAGE SPACE OR THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING AND SO FORTH . I GUESS FROM MY CLARIFICATION, SO PRESENTLY, AS DRAWN, IT MEETS THE, LIKE REQUIREMENTS FOR
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MASSING SQUARE FOOT, LOT COVERED ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, THAT EVEN THOUGH IT MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THAT IS THE REASON THAT IT DIDN'T PASS. LIKE, IS THAT WHAT I'M TO. YEAH. CLARIFICATION. SO WE WELL AND I MAY BE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU BUT WE. YEAH THIS WAS BROUGHT IN AS A CONCEPTUAL. SURE. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE DO WHATEVER EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST DID, BUT WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION ON IT. YOU COME BACK FORMALLY AND THEN WE OFTEN LIKE TO SAY, HEY, IF THERE'S ENOUGH ENERGY THAT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT IT. AND IT WAS KIND OF A 5050 SPLIT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST TAKE CARE OF IT NOW SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK RIGHT? BASICALLY WHAT WE DID WAS KEEP IT CONCEPTUAL. SO YOU'VE RECEIVED A FEEDBACK THAT THIS GROUP HAS FOR A FUTURE APPLICATION. AND I'M NOT MARRIED TO THIS CONCEPT. I WAS PURELY SEEKING CLARIFICATION THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS MIGHT BE OUT OF I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DREW THIS UP. I MEAN, IT'S GOOGLE SKETCHUP. YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT GOING, HOLY COW, THIS LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF PARKING AND A LOT OF BIG BUILDING ON A SMALL SPACE. IF YOU WERE TO MOVE ALL THE LABELS FROM THAT DRAWING AND JUST SHOW ME THE DRAWING, I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A NEW FIRE STATION OR MAYBE A GOVERNMENTAL BUILDING OR, YOU KNOW, IT DOES LOOK MASSIVE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR REACTION JUST EVEN. YEAH TO THE MASS OF THE STRUCTURE. SO WE'RE OPEN AND I GUESS IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER MORE, YOU KNOW, THE SCALE AND MAYBE IF YOU COULD LOOK AT TRYING TO REDUCE SOME OF THE, THE, THE CHIPSEAL OR THE SURFACE AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAYBE SHOW THAT IT FITS BETTER ON THE LOT AND IT MAY HELP. YEAH AND JUST ONE LAST COMMENT ABOUT, I MEAN, CHECKING OFF THE BOX IN TERMS OF WE MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENT HERE, HERE AND HERE. THIS BOARD ALSO REVIEWS ARCHITECTURAL PROPOSALS AND ARCHITECTURE. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT CHARGE THAN THAN THE ZONING. YEAH SO.OKAY ALL RIGHT. COOL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY NEXT NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA CHAIR. YEAH. WE HAVE TO. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. THE NEXT THING ON THE
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AGENDA WAS TO, DETERMINE OFFICIALS FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP FOR THE NEXT UPCOMING YEAR. IS THERE ANY BODY FROM OUR STAFF THAT CAN LEAD US THROUGH THIS SITUATION THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY HAVE, BUT EVERY YEAR OR SO, YEAH, ONCE EVERY YEAR. YEAH. SO WE DO THIS EVERY JUNE. AND YOU ARE YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO KEEP THINGS THE SAME. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO CHANGE CHAIRS IF YOU WANT. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP THINGS THE SAME. BEING THE CHAIR IS NOT A CEREMONIAL POSITION, BY THE WAY, FROM EXPERIENCE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP THINGS THE SAME. I WILL SECOND THAT. YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. YEAH ARE WE GOING TO APPOINT SOMEBODY FOR A SECOND? WE GOT A SECOND? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. READY TO VOTE, MR. HERSKOWITZ? YES. MR. HARPER? YES. MR. SMITHERS? YES. MR. CHAPELLIER. YES, MR. BRUBAKER.YES MR. PAUL. YES THE MOTION PASSES WITH SIX VOTES TO KEEP EVERYTHING THE SAME.
CONGRATULATIONS THANK YOU. MR. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED AT THIS TIME? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY SAYING YES. SO I WILL SEE NO. SO THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 5:40 P.M.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.