Jul 02, 2024 City Council

WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO THE NEW ALBANY CITY

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COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLERS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRIS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT HERE. I HAVE SEVEN PRESENT FOR JULY 2ND, 2024. REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING

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[5. ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA]

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRIS YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FEATHERS. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. BRETT. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD THE PERSONNEL EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR

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JUST LIKE PULLING IT OUT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ESTIMATING? MY HEIGHT. I HAVE HEELS ON. AND DO YOU HAVE. YEAH WELL, I AM HAPPY TO BE BACK TO SHARE SURVEY RESULTS WITH YOU. I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS PAINLESS AS POSSIBLE. HERE IT IS. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE. THIS IS THE 2024 SURVEY. WE'VE DONE SEVERAL IN THE PAST. SO THIS WILL INCORPORATE NOT ONLY THE CURRENT DATA BUT TREND DATA AS WELL OKAY. SO I ALWAYS PUT THIS SLIDE IN. SO IT SAYS THIS RESEARCH GIVES AN THE CITY RESIDENTS A VOICE. IT ALLOWS THEM TO EXPRESS OPINIONS ON MYRIAD ISSUES AND IN DOING SO PROVIDES ALL OF YOU FOLKS OBJECTIVE DATA AS PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE CONTINUES. AND I WRITE THIS BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF YOU MAY BE APPROACHED IN THE GROCERY STORE OR AT A GAS STATION WITH SOMEONE TRYING TO SUGGEST AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT THE CITY IS DOING. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO HEAR THAT PERSON, BUT THIS GIVES YOU A MORE RANDOMIZED SENSE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS THINKING. SO LET ME TELL YOU, NORMALLY I SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY, BUT I NEED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY THIS YEAR, BECAUSE THE METHODOLOGY HAS CHANGED. SO LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING THIS IS THE FOURTH IN A BIENNIAL SERIES WE BEGAN IN 2018, AND UNLIKE EARLIER SURVEYS, THE CURRENT STUDY THIS STUDY EMPLOYS TWO DATA COLLECTION METHODOLOGIES, SPECIFICALLY, 154 ADULT RESIDENTS WERE INTERVIEWED BY TELEPHONE AND 146 COMPLETED SELF-ADMINISTERED ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRES. SO THE QUESTION I HOPE YOU'RE ASKING YOURSELVES IS WHY DO THAT? WELL, IT TURNS OUT THAT IN RECENT YEARS, EMPLOYING MULTIPLE DATA COLLECTION METHODOLOGIES HAS

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YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THE PHONES DIALING AWAY, TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO PARTICIPATE IN A SURVEY ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY. OKAY, SO THE CURRENT STUDY ALSO DIFFERS FROM THE PREVIOUS STUDY DUE TO A SIGNIFICANT AND INTENTIONAL CHANGE IN THE SAMPLING FRAME. SAMPLING FRAMES THE LIST OF PEOPLE WE USED TO CONTACT. INDEED, WHILE THE SAMPLING FRAME FOR EACH OF THE EARLIER STUDIES WAS DEVOTED ALMOST ENTIRELY, IT WAS DEVELOPED ALMOST ENTIRELY FROM AN UPDATED LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS. THE SAMPLING FRAME IN THIS STUDY IS MORE COMPREHENSIVE IN THAT IT INCLUDES ALL ADULT RESIDENTS OF NEW ALBANY, FOR WHOM CONTACT INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE CURRENT STUDY INCLUDES ADULT RESIDENTS OF NEW ALBANY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE REGISTERED VOTERS. SO THOSE ARE TWO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. AND I SHOULD TELL YOU BEFORE WE GO ON THAT THE LENGTH OF THE INTERVIEWS ARE ALSO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO THE TELEPHONE INTERVIEWS, 16 MINUTES, THE, THE, THE TELEPHONE INTERVIEWS WERE 16 MINUTES AND THE ONLINE INTERVIEWS WERE 12 MINUTES. NO, 14 MINUTES AND 12 MINUTES. OKAY.

THE MARGIN OF ERROR FOR A RANDOM SAMPLE OF THIS SIZE, 300 LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO PLUS OR -5.6 PERCENTAGE POINTS, PRETTY REASONABLE. AND TO COMPENSATE FOR LIMITATIONS IN THE DATA COLLECTION PROCESS, THE COMBINED FILE WAS WEIGHTED ON KEY DEMOGRAPHICS TO MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT KNOWN POPULATION PARAMETERS. SO THE LIGHT BLUE COLUMN IS ACTUAL FROM THE CENSUS FOOTNOTE AT THE BOTTOM, AND THE SURVEY'S WEIGHTED DATA. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A PERFECT MATCH. NOT BECAUSE WE WERE LUCKY, BUT BECAUSE WE WEIGHTED IT TO BE A PERFECT MATCH. NOW, WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO COMPLETE AN INTERVIEW WITH ANYONE YOUNGER THAN 35 ONLINE. SO HAD WE JUST USED ONLINE, WE WOULD HAVE MISSED THAT POPULATION. AND AS YOU LOOK ACROSS, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN WHO AGREES TO BE INTERVIEWED BY PHONE VERSUS ONLINE. OKAY, SO HERE'S A CAUTIONARY NOTE BEFORE I JUMP INTO THE DATA. SO WHAT I'VE SAID ABOVE IS THAT THERE'S A BIG CHANGE IN THE WAY WE'VE CONDUCTED THE SURVEY, WHICH GETS US TO THE LAST LITTLE PARAGRAPH.

IT IS LIKELY, THEREFORE, THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE FINDINGS IN THIS STUDY THAT DIFFER FROM THOSE IN THE EARLIER STUDIES, THEY'RE LIKELY TO BE POTENTIALLY ANYWAY. METHODOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS , MEANING THAT THEY DON'T REFLECT NECESSARILY WHAT PEOPLE SAID THEY WERE. THEY WERE A REFLECTION OF THE METHOD THAT WE USED. BUT I'LL LET YOU FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH. OKAY. OVERALL IMPRESSIONS. SO SIX OUT OF TEN NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS CONSIDER THE CITY AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO LIVE. IF YOU ADD IN THE VERY GOOD, YOU'RE AT NINE OUT OF TEN.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK ACROSS TIME, YOU CAN SEE PRETTY NICE LITTLE TREND FROM 2020 TO 2022 TO THIS YEAR. SLIGHTLY. AND IT HAS TO GO UP SLIGHTLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH ROOM TO

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OKAY, SO NOW MORE THAN EIGHT OUT OF TEN RESIDENTS AGREE THAT NEW ALBANY IS HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YOU CAN SEE THERE THE DARK BLUE, ROUGHLY ONE OUT OF EIGHT CLAIMS IT'S OFTEN THE WRONG TRACK, AND IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE TREND IS DOWN SLIGHTLY. SO IT WAS 8,388% AND 20 AND 89 AND 85. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONLINE AND PHONE, WHAT DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT HAD WE JUST USED THE PHONE 2024 DATA WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER, WOULD HAVE BEEN 91.

SO HERE YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW CHANGING THE METHODOLOGY HAS AN IMPACT ON THE DATA. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S A HUGE IMPACT, BUT IF I WERE SITTING ON YOUR SIDE OF THE DESK, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ANY DECLINES. AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WHAT I MADE THIS LITTLE NOTE HAD ONLY PHONE DATA BEING GATHERED, AS IN PAST SURVEYS. THE MODEST UPWARD TREND WOULD HAVE CONTINUED, AND THEN AS A PLACE TO WORK. SEVEN OUT OF TEN NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS CONSIDER THE CITY EITHER EXCELLENT OR VERY GOOD, RIGHT? 68. AND AS WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE THERE WAS A MUCH LARGER NUMBER IN FOLKS WHO WEREN'T SURE WHEN THEY ENTERED THIS QUESTION IN THE PREVIOUS SURVEY. SO IT SHRUNK FROM THE LOW MID 30S TO 14. MORE PEOPLE HAVING OPINIONS. AND IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU'LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, A BIG JUMP FROM 20 TO 22 IS SIMILAR TO 24. HUGE JUMP. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPLIT BETWEEN THE PHONE AND ONLINE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT JUMP CAME FROM. IT CAME FROM OUR ONLINE RESPONDENTS. SO WHAT COULD MAKE NEW ALBANY A BETTER PLACE TO WORK? AND THESE ARE OPEN ENDS.ND AOU'LL YTICE ANO TETH BOTMTOHERE'S T LITTL A EATEMENSTT THASAYS AT ITIONADDL NOTETSCORE AVA AABLEILN A I OK THABOT JOSH HASWHERE'. THEN OHJO TRE HE HEIS. OKAY AND E W ASKEDBOUT P AORITIERI S.SO FOREARLY NLF THEHAESIDEN R TSOVIDINPRCITYG SERVIS ANDCE AMITIES ENOULDSH BA TOPE PRRITY FIO CITY ORFICIALOFS AS ITAS IN W22. TH20'SATARDLY H SURISINGRP. T HEREBU ,NTROLLCOGINROWTH, GOWEVER H ,MPED NJUABLYOTO S I2020 IN WAS JUMP J12PEDUMO 23 A T NOWND IT ED TO . THE 31HERSOTTAYED S ROHLY THUGSAME OE RRE MUC A SERVER SMMBERSNUHOW AB. T CITYOU ES? SOICERE WE HE'R TRACKGIN YEARSURND AHE GESTA ARE THE TOTALS OF PEOPLE SAYING SOMEWHAT OR VERY SATISFIED. AND IN THE RIGHT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WITHOUT AN OPINION. SO SNOW REMOVAL ON NEW ALBANY'S MAIN ROADS ALMOST UNIVERSAL SUPPORT FOR THAT HIGH INTO THE 90S AND IN FACT NOT ONLY HIGH INTO THE 90S. MOST RESIDENTS ARE NOT ONLY SATISFIED, THEY'RE VERY SATISFIED. YOU THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO LEAVE THAT OUT, BUT NO, I WAS CLAPPING OVER TO MIKE. OKAY, THEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PHONE AND THE ONLINE DATA, THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE. WHY IS THERE NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE

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ALMOST NINE OUT OF TEN. NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONLINE AND PHONE. AND HERE POLICE OUTREACH A JUMP FROM THE 70S TO 85. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONLINE AND PHONE, REALLY NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. SO I TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A REAL JUMP. SO NEW QUESTION ONE OUT OF THREE RESIDENTS ATTENDED A NEW SERIES OF EVENTS AND PROGRAMS, INCLUDING JUNETEENTH, DIWALI, MIRACLE LEAGUE, FAMILY FUN DAY AND FREE CONCERTS. AND WELL, DID YOU ATTEND? WE ASKED AND 33% SAID THEY HAD. SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A LARGE NUMBER. LIKE HOW DOES THAT STACK UP? SO MY SENSE IS 33% OF A COMMUNITY DOING ANYTHING IS A LARGE NUMBER. BUT THE SECONDARY QUESTION IS, WELL, DID THEY HAVE A GOOD TIME? AND WHAT WE FIND OUT IS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT ALMOST SEVEN OUT OF TEN, HAD A SPECTACULAR TIME WITH VERY FEW, ALMOST NOBODY DISSATISFIED. HOW ABOUT CITY OFFICIALS? SO I OFTEN WONDER WHY WE PUT THIS IN. NOT BECAUSE I DON'T VALUE YOU, BUT IF CITY SERVICES ARE GOOD, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE CITY OFFICIALS WON'T BE PRAISED FOR IT. WELL, SO HERE WE HAVE, DEVELOPING PUBLIC PARKLANDS NUMBERS AT THE LOWEST WERE IN THE 80S. NOW AT 87, IF YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPING AND CONNECTING LEISURE TRAILS, A PATTERN FROM 77 IN 18 TO 86 AND IT SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME CONFIDENCE THAT THE DATA ARE LEGITIMATE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T SEE ARE THE BARS SWINGING BACK AND FORTH RADICALLY. THE PATTERNS LOOK REALISTIC. SO HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONLINE AND PHONE, HAD WE JUST INTERVIEWED BY PHONE, THE PATTERN WOULD HAVE BEEN 80, 83, 90, 91 CONSECUTIVE INCREASES. SO IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE DIP IS REALLY WHAT I DESCRIBED EARLIER AS A METHODOLOGICAL ARTIFACT.

AND I'VE WRITTEN IN THE BOX THAT, HAD THE CURRENT SURVEY BEEN LIMITED, THE TELEPHONE INTERVIEW SATISFACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER. CONTINUING A NOTEWORTHY TREND FOR MANY OF THE ITEMS IN THE BATTERY. OKAY, SAME ISSUE HERE. THIS IS WITH CONNECTING LEISURE TRAILS. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONLINE AND PHONE AND MAINTAINING APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. SAME THING HAD TO BE JUST USE THE PHONE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BACK TO 90, BUT STILL HIGH. KEEPING LOCAL RESIDENTS INFORMED OF IMPORTANT ISSUES INVOLVING THE CITY. NOT MUCH CHANGE OVER TIME. PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. HOW DO WE USE JUST PHONE? IT WOULD HAVE TIED 2022 SO IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE DIP. MANAGING CITY FINANCES WOULD HAVE GONE UP FROM 72 TO 78, BUT STILL NOT LOWER THAN THE 2022 NUMBERS. RECRUITING NEW BUSINESSES SO HERE, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE YOU CAN DO FOUR SURVEYS BY PHONE. ASK A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RANDOMIZED POPULATION AND GET THE SAME EXACT PERCENTAGE ACROSS TIME. SO IT WAS 81, 81, 81 AND YOU THINK IT'S 71. BUT ACTUALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHONE, IT WAS 81 FOR A FOURTH TIME. HIGH LEVEL OF

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SEEKING INPUT AND FEEDBACK FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS. BIG DIFFERENCE BY PHONE AND ONLINE IN THE REALM OF THE PREVIOUS SURVEYS, MANAGING RESIDENTIAL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE STAIR STEP IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. FROM 7269 TO 64. BUT IT HAD JUST BEEN PHONE WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER, WOULD HAVE BEEN THE HIGHEST. IT'S BEEN LISTENING TO CONCERNS OF LOCAL RESIDENTS BEFORE MAKING IMPORTANT DECISIONS AGAIN. BIG DIFFERENCE IN METHOD, BUT NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE ACROSS TIME. IF ENFORCING THE CITY ZONING CODES THE SAME PATTERN AS WE'VE SEEN IN MOST OF THE OTHERS. AND THE LAST ONE, MANAGING RETAIL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A DECLINE REGARDLESS OF METHOD, BUT NOT A HUGE AMOUNT. OKAY, MARKET SQUARE VILLAGE CENTER. SO INTEREST IN DINING ESTABLISHMENTS, FINE DINING, FAMILY FRIENDLY PUBS AND TAVERN HAS INCREASED NOTABLY SINCE 2022. SO THAT WOULD BE THESE FINE DINING FOLKS ARE UP 11 FAMILY FRIENDLY, UP SEVEN PUBS AND TAVERNS UP 18% INTEREST IN MEETING AND CONFERENCE ROOMS. THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON THE LIST HAS DECLINED. SO IT'S DOWN SEVEN PERCENTAGE POINTS. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT IN THE PREVIOUS SURVEYS, THE INTEREST IN PUBS AND TAVERNS WAS LOWER THAN IT WAS THIS YEAR. SO MADE ME WONDER, DID ANY PUBS OR TAVERNS CLOSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, CREATING A SHORTAGE? ALL RIGHT. AMONG RESIDENTS FAVORING MORE AMENITIES IN MARKET SQUARE AND VILLAGE CENTER, A MAJORITY WOULD ACCEPT MORE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IF IT ENCOURAGED THOSE BUSINESSES TO OPEN. SO, LIKE, HERE'S THE BIGGEST. OH, SO IT WAS 51% TWO YEARS AGO. PRETTY SIMILAR. HERE'S SORT OF THE BIGGEST SURPRISE. LOOK, THE YOUNGEST PEOPLE, 89% WANT MORE PUBS AND TAVERNS COMPARED TO THE OLDER POPULATION. AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTS WHO ARE RELATIVELY NEW, ARE SLIGHTLY MORE LIKELY THAN RESIDENTS WHO ARE NO DOUBT OLDER AND HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. SO ONCE AGAIN, ONE OUT OF FOUR RESIDENTS CONSIDER TRAFFIC IN NEW ALBANY'S MARKET SQUARE AND VILLAGE CENTER A MAJOR PROBLEM WHEN THE SCHOOL DAY BEGINS AND WHEN THE SCHOOL DAY ENDS HASN'T CHANGED MUCH AT ALL. REALLY REGARDLESS OF METHOD . AND THEN FOR MOST RESIDENTS, TRAFFIC AND MARKET SQUARE AND VILLAGE CENTER IS NOT A PROBLEM. DURING NON-SCHOOL HOURS. THAT'S THEIR. NOR IS IT A PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE NEW ALBANY COMMUNITY. HOW ABOUT HOUSING? THIS IS A NEW QUESTION. SO ACCORDING TO ONE RESIDENT IN FIVE, NEW ALBANY HAS TWO LITTLE HOUSING FOR SENIORS, FOR YOUNG FAMILIES AND SINGLES, ALL ROUGHLY THE SAME. AND ROUGHLY ABOUT 1 IN 5 FEEL THAT WAY, AND THEN MOST FEEL THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING IS APPROPRIATE. BUT RED RIGHT SIDE OF THE BARS ARE THE TO MUCH PRETTY SMALL SLICES. COMMUNICATION THE MOST COMMON SOURCES OF NEWS AND INFORMATION ABOUT NEW ALBANY ARE THE CITY'S SOCIAL NETWORKING SITES AND THE E-NEWSLETTER. I GET THAT E-NEWSLETTER. SO, YOU KNOW, HAD I BEEN INTERVIEWED, I WOULD HAVE SAID THAT, OKAY, SO THE LATTER IS UP SIGNIFICANTLY FROM 2022, RIGHT? 41% THIS YEAR, 22% IN THE PREVIOUS SURVEY. BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING, WELL, YOU INCLUDED A LOT MORE FOLKS WHO ARE ONLINE SAVVY. SO THAT'S PROBABLY ACCOUNTS FOR THE DIFFERENCE. BUT YOU'D BE WRONG.

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AND THEN HERE WE HAVE RELIGION. SO THAT FIRST ONE WAS AGES. NOW RELIGIONS NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF CHANGE OVER TIME. AND HERE PHYSICAL ABILITIES IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR. AND ONCE AGAIN THE TELEPHONE DATA TEND TO BE MORE POSITIVE AND RACES AND ETHNICITIES. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY HANDSOME JUMP FROM 72 TO 70 5 TO 86. SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN AN INCREASE POLITICAL BELIEFS. THAT'S ANOTHER AMAZING THING. SO IT'S 72% FOR THE FOR THREE SURVEYS. AND WE'RE IN A ENORMOUSLY TURBULENT POLITICAL TIME. YET I GUESS PEOPLE ARE TURBULENT BUT NOT CHANGING THEIR OPINIONS OR PREFERENCES. AND THEN LEVELS OF INCOME DROPPED A BIT. WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE AND NOT SURPRISING, IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS LIKELY TO FEEL THAT NEW ALBANY IS A WELCOMING COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S SURPRISES, FOLKS. ALL RIGHT, HOW ABOUT A FEW HIGHLIGHTS? LET ME SUMMARIZE.

OKAY, SO ONCE AGAIN, IMPRESSIONS OF NEW ALBANY AMONG CITY'S RESIDENTS ARE BROADLY POSITIVE.

DESPITE THE SHIFT IN METHODOLOGY. THE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT. BUT I'M NOT SURE THE METHOD THE MESSAGE CHANGES MUCH. A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS AGREE THAT NEW ALBANY IS AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO LIVE. MOST ALSO AGREE THAT THE CITY IS HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND IS EITHER AN EXCELLENT OR GOOD PLACE TO WORK. AS IN PAST SURVEYS, RESIDENTS AGREE THAT FOR CITY OFFICIALS, PROVIDING CITY SERVICES, AMENITIES SHOULD BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. NOT A SURPRISE, FOLLOWED BY CONTROLLING GROWTH. ALSO NOT A SURPRISE AND MOST OF THE CITY SERVICES ADDRESSED AT LEAST NINE OUT OF TEN RESIDENTS ARE SATISFIED. IT'S HARDLY SURPRISING, THEREFORE, THAT MOST RESIDENTS ARE SATISFIED WITH THEIR PERFORMANCE OF CITY OFFICIALS. GO FIGURE. AND THE

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MORE RESIDENTS THAN EVER AGREE THAT NEW ALBANY IS A DIVERSE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN THE CURRENT STUDY. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS NOW. OR YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL ME. WELL, MARTY, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE, THE PRESENTATION. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE THE DETAILED DATA WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN DISTRIBUTE THAT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. IS THIS METHODOLOGY CHANGE COMMON IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU'RE SURVEYING? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE DOING PHONE CALLS AND ONLINE SURVEYS IN OTHER AREAS.

ARE WE THE GUINEA PIG? I HATE TO ADMIT THIS, BUT I'M NOT A PIONEER. OKAY THIS I MEAN, EVERYONE'S HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM ON TWO FRONTS. A YOU JUST CAN'T GET PEOPLE ON THE PHONE LIKE YOU USED TO. AND B, IT INCREASES THE PRICE OF THE PROJECT ENORMOUSLY WHEN YOU'RE DIALING, IN YOUR CASE. 27 BUT IN GROVE CITY'S CASE, IT WAS 77. SO IT MAKES THE IT MAKES THE PROJECT OUT OF REACH. BUT HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I BELIEVE THAT THE DATA ARE BETTER WITH A SPLIT METHODOLOGY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WE COULD NEVER GET ON THE PHONE WHO WILL DO THE SURVEY ONLINE. WHEREAS BEFORE WE DIDN'T SPLIT THE METHODOLOGY BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET ACCESS TO THE EMAIL ADDRESSES. I MEAN, I GREW UP IN THIS FIELD IN THE DAY WHEN THERE WERE PHONE BOOKS, AND WE DEVELOPED THE SAMPLE BY MAKING XEROX COPIES OF PHONE PAGES BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS THE INTERNET. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN EMAIL DIRECTORY PRINTED IN THE SAME WAY THAT PHONE NUMBERS WERE PRINTED. I'M STILL WAITING. THE OTHER THING, LET ME JUST SAY ONE OTHER THING ABOUT IT. I OFTEN CARE LESS ABOUT THE ABSOLUTE VALUE OF A FINDING BECAUSE REALLY, YOU DIDN'T SEE REALLY BAD NUMBERS. THEY WERE ALL PRETTY GOOD. WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE CHANGE FROM TIME A TO TIME. B RIGHT. BECAUSE IF IT'S 85, YOU MAY SAY THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. WE WANT NINE OUT OF TEN PEOPLE. SO THOSE ARE SUBJECTIVE DECISIONS THAT YOU'LL ALL MAKE.

SO WHAT THE CHANGE IN METHODOLOGY COULD SUGGEST IS THAT THIS YEAR IS A NEW BASELINE. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GO BACK AND INTERVIEW THE PEOPLE FROM THE PAST. SO YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO SORT OF LIVE WITH THESE CHANGES. ALTHOUGH MY SENSE IS THEY'RE PRETTY EASY TO LIVE WITH. AND THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, SHOULD YOU DO THE SURVEY AGAIN, THEN YOU'LL SEE CHANGES WITHOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENCES IN METHODOLOGY GETTING IN THE WAY. BUT I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES WERE. IT'S HARD TO IT WOULD BE HARD TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THE NUANCES AND THE METHOD METHODOLOGY, RIGHT, WHEN THEY'RE SAYING THAT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN WITHOUT HAVING THE DETAIL BETWEEN PHONE AND, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE PHONE AND THE ONLINE INTERVIEWS. THERE'S A REALLY GOOD ARTICLE. YOU KNOW, THE PEW ORGANIZATION, THEY DO A LOT OF SURVEY WORK. THERE'S A REALLY GOOD ARTICLE. I WILL SEND A COPY TO JOSH, WHERE THEY'RE BIG POINT IS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN POLLING FOR DECADES AND DECADES AND DECADES. SO THEIR BIG CONCERN IS NOW, DO WE HAVE TO LIKE START ALL OVER AGAIN AS ALL THIS BASELINE DATA WE HAVE OUT OF DATE? AND IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE, YOU WILL GET A SENSE OF WHY. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GOT TO LIVE WITH IT. IT'S YEAH, IT'S JUST CHANGE. YEAH IF YOU LOOK AT

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I THINK TO MARTY'S POINT, THE PHONE ONE SKEWED THE DATA UPWARD. AND I THINK ONLINE SKEWS IT DOWNWARD. I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE IS PROBABLY WHERE IT WAS GOING TO BE ALL ALONG. SO I KNOW IT'S A NEW BENCHMARK, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A MORE ACCURATE BENCHMARK. I BELIEVE THAT, AND LIKE I SAY, WE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AGO IF, IF EMAIL ADDRESSES WERE AVAILABLE.

BUT NOW YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN REGISTERED VOTER FILES FREQUENTLY AND YOU CAN BUY LISTS LIKE WE USED TO BUY LISTS FOR TELEPHONE NUMBERS. NOW YOU CAN BUY LISTS WITH TELEPHONE NUMBERS AND EMAIL ADDRESSES ON THE SAME RECORD FOR SOME PEOPLE. BUT IF I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS AT LEAST AS ACCURATE OR BETTER, I WOULDN'T HAVE ADOPTED IT JUST. OR I WOULD HAVE ADOPTED IT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT I DIDN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN IT. I THINK, PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO FILL OUT AN ONLINE SURVEY THAN A PHONE SURVEY, JUST MYSELF, BUT QUICK QUESTION TO YOU, WILL THE SURVEY RESULTS HAVE THE ONLINE AND PHONE RESULTS WITH EACH OF THE QUESTIONS? I KNOW YOU POINTED SOME OF THEM OUT. WILL THEY ALSO INCLUDE ALL? NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT HAS IT HAS A SET OF. WE HAVE A SET OF CROSS TABS THAT I'VE GIVEN TO JOSH, WHICH I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE HERE. AND WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP, YOU'LL SEE A ZILLION COLUMNS. OKAY. SO PHONE AND ONLINE ARE THE LAST TWO COLUMNS. IT SAYS TYPE ABOUT IT. AND THEN BELOW IT'S TELEPHONE AND ONLINE OKAY. YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH IT. SORT OF INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE SIMILAR.

YEAH I'M KIND OF A DATA GUY. SO I'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT. AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. I AGREE WITH CASEY. I THINK THIS IS A MUCH BETTER METHODOLOGY THAT YOU'RE USING. WILL YOU. AND I PROBABLY KNOW THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO WEIGHT MATCH THE END AND THE WEIGHTING WITH THE METHODOLOGY USED THIS YEAR.

MOVING FORWARD. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET A REALLY GOOD APPLES TO APPLES KIND OF MOVING FORWARD. THE BEST YOU CAN. UNLESS SOMEONE CONVINCES ME THEY'VE GOT A BETTER IDEA. OKAY BECAUSE I WANT TO PROVIDE THE TREND IS CRITICAL BUT ACCURATE DATA FOR THE YEAR IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT RESIDENTS MAY BE RESPONDING TO IF THEY SEE IT. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. AT LEAST. I MEAN, I'LL PROBABLY BE IN MY 80S BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COMES UP WITH SOME LIKE JUST CAPTURE YOUR THOUGHTS WITHOUT HARDWARE. WATCH OUT FOR AI. THERE YOU GO. JUST THANK YOU . MIKE, JUST ONE QUESTION. AND I AGREE. I AGREE WITH MATT AND CASEY IN TERMS OF THE USING BOTH SOURCES. IT'S GOING TO GIVE US MUCH BETTER DATA AND CERTAINLY A BENCHMARK GOING FORWARD. SINCE YOU USE THIS, THE ONLINE MORE, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY MORE RESIDENTS WE MAY HAVE REACHED VERSUS USING THE PHONE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU DON'T REACH EVERYBODY. THE BIGGER THE SAMPLE, ALWAYS THE BETTER THE MEASUREMENT. BUT HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE DID WE REACH BY USING BOTH PHONE AND ONLINE VERSUS THE PRIOR TWO YEARS? OKAY, SO WHICH SIZE AND SAMPLE. SO THERE ARE THERE ARE TWO THINGS. ONE IS REACHING A BROAD NUMBER OF PEOPLE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE GOING TO STOP DATA COLLECTION WHEN WE'VE REACHED OUR QUOTAS. THE SECOND ISSUE IS THAT WE GET DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THAT'S REALLY THE CRITICAL THING. THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER DO A TELEPHONE INTERVIEW, BUT WILL DO A PHONE, RIGHT. AN ONLINE INTERVIEW. THAT'S REALLY THE MAGIC OF IT IS IT MAKES THE POPULATION THE SAMPLING FRAME FROM THE POPULATION MORE REPRESENTATIVE. AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE THIS YEAR IS MOVED AWAY FROM JUST REGISTERED VOTERS TO JUST ADULT RESIDENTS FOR WHOM WE HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION. SO THOSE TWO CHANGES ARE PRETTY DRAMATIC. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THE

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TRY TO CONVINCE YOU TO DO AN INTERVIEW. IF YOU ANSWER THE PHONE, SO THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE THE BEST OF BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TEXT MESSAGE REQUESTS? SAY THAT AGAIN. HAVE YOU EVER EXPLORED TEXT MESSAGE REQUESTS LIKE SENDING PEOPLE TEXT MESSAGES SAYING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THE SURVEY? I'VE GOT I'VE GOTTEN SOME LIKE POLITICAL SURVEY REQUESTS. I WONDER WHAT THE STATUS IS IN THIS REALM. YEAH NO, NO. OKAY I MEAN, WHAT I'M WHAT A CITY LIKE NEW ALBANY, LIKE, UPPER ARLINGTON DOES. THEY DO THEIR COMMUNITY SURVEY THROUGH THE MAIL SO THEY CAN SEND THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND A RETURN ENVELOPE TO EVERYONE. IT'S NOT A METHOD I'M FOND OF, IN PART BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONNAIRES BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE IT WHEN I GO THROUGH THE DATA. BUT WHEN YOU DO IT ONLINE OR ON THE PHONE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY SOPHISTICATED LOGIC IN A QUESTIONNAIRE. AND ON PAPER, YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM OF THEN HAVING TO KEYPUNCH LIKE THE OLDEN DAYS TO GET THE DATA OFF THE PAPER INTO THE COMPUTER. SO NOW ALL THAT HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY. SO THAT WOULD AND POSTAGE IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE. I THINK IT WAS $0.03 WHEN I STARTED. WELL, MAYBE A NICKEL. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY? AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS VERY ENLIGHTENING TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY ON THESE PARTICULAR TOPICS, I THINK IT'S ALSO FUN TO SOMETIMES LOOK AT THE ANSWERS AND GO, THEY SEEM TO BE CROSS PURPOSES, BUT WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT AS WE TRY TO DECIDE HOW TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD IN THE YEARS TO COME, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE STILL UNDER HEARING AND VISITORS, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD REQUEST FROM SHARON MONTGOMERY. HE'S SHARING WITH US . AND, SHARON, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND AFFILIATION, IF YOU WANT. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND AFFILIATION. IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ONE AND WANT TO GIVE IT. SHARON MONTGOMERY 572 BONNINGTON WAY IN GAHANNA. YOUR PREDECESSORS WERE AMONG THE FIRST IN OHIO TO PROACTIVELY ADDRESS DISTRACTED DRIVING WHEN THE STATE HAD FAILED FOR 13 YEARS TO PASS A LAW TO RESTRICT THIS DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR. THEY PASSED YOUR OWN LAW. I CAME TO THOSE MEETINGS IN 2010 AND WATCHED AS THEY GAVE CAREFUL THOUGHT. I WAS DELIGHTED WHEN THEY SOUGHT AND TOOK MY ADVICE

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NEITHER YOUR LAW NOR THE STATE LAW PROVIDES STRONGER PENALTIES WHEN A DRIVER USING A PHONE CAUSES SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH IN THE EARLY STAGES OF CRAFTING BILLS, THAT BECAME THE CURRENT DISTRACTED DRIVING LAW, THE GOVERNOR WANTED, CAUSING SERIOUS INJURY TO BE A THIRD DEGREE FELONY AND CAUSING DEATH TO BE A SECOND DEGREE FELONY. WHAT HE GOT, WHAT WE ALL GOT WAS AN UNCLASSIFIED MISDEMEANOR FOR VIOLATING THE LAW AND FOR CAUSING SERIOUS INJURY BY VIOLATING THE LAW AND FOR CAUSING DEATH BY VIOLATING THE LAW, NOT ONLY IS THERE NO JUSTICE IN THIS FOR THE VICTIM, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO LOGIC IN THIS. THE STATE HAS NOT ONLY REFUSED FOR 19 YEARS, AT LEAST, TO DO THIS FOR DISTRACTED DRIVING, BUT ALSO FOR OTHER OFFENSES BY SOBER DRIVERS. WHY THEIR REASONS ARE STRONGER. PENALTIES DON'T DETER OR THE DRIVER DIDN'T MEAN TO CAUSE HARM. IF THESE REASONS ARE VALID, THEN THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH BY DUI TO BE FELONIES. THE STATE DISTRACTED DRIVING LAW ALLOWS STRONGER PENALTIES IN A STRONGER LOCAL PENALTIES. GAHANNA AND GROVE CITY HAVE ALREADY RAISED THESE OUTCOMES TO ANYWHERE FROM THIRD TO FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANORS. WESTERVILLE IS HAVING A SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. HILLIARD IS LOOKING AT WHAT GAHANNA AND GROVE CITY HAVE DONE. YOU COULD CREATE YOUR OWN LAW, YOUR OWN PENALTIES, OR USE GAHANNA OR GROVE CITY'S MODEL, OR GET IDEAS FROM A PROPOSAL THAT THE OHIO BICYCLE FEDERATION AND A MOTORCYCLE SAFETY ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION HAVE CREATED FOR THE STATE THAT ADDRESSES MORE THAN JUST DISTRACTED DRIVING. I CAN PROVIDE THESE MODELS FOR YOUR REVIEW IF YOU WANT THEM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, SHARON, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED ADVOCACY ON THIS ISSUE. I THINK WE'VE ALL AS MOTORISTS, HAD THE UNFORTUNATE OCCURRENCE OF, SEEING FOLKS DISTRACTED WHILE DRIVING. AND, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DANGEROUS, IT'S NOT JUST FOLKS, YOU KNOW, DRIVING HOME AFTER HAVING TOO MUCH CELEBRATION. IT'S FOLKS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING AND, THROUGHOUT THE DAY AS WELL. SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TONIGHT AND TALKING TO US ABOUT THIS. I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND I CAN ONLY ASSUME WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE VIGILANT ON THAT FRONT, ANY OTHER, VISITORS TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING MATTER? NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. ALL RIGHT, THAT TAKES US TO BOARD AND

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EVERYTHING'S BEEN BELOW OR AT THE VERY WELL ALL BELOW, REALLY, THE BUDGETS THAT COUNCIL HAS ALLOWED US TO DO. AND, I'M, I'M VERY GRATEFUL AGAIN FOR THE SUPPORT FROM EVERYBODY GETTING THERE. AND THIS, NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM WAS THE FINAL THING ON THE LIST THAT WE HADN'T GOTTEN DONE YET. IT'S TAKEN US A LONG TIME BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE EXCITED TO DO IT. AND ANDREW WILL BE PRESENTING LATER ON AN ORDINANCE TO TAKE THE PANEL INTO THE LONG TERM, WE'VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF OUR PANEL REPRESENTATIVES SO THAT WE CAN, SHIFT. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AGREEABLE TO BEING WILLING TO STEP OFF SO THAT WE CAN NOW BEGIN TO DO STAGGERED TERMS AND MAKE THIS JUST LIKE SUSTAINABILITY AND MAKE IT A PART OF OUR, HOPEFULLY A PART OF OUR FUTURE. YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S BEEN A VERY EXCITING PERIOD RIGHT NOW. AND SEEING OUR, ONE MORE THING AND SEEING THE I'M SORRY, BUT SEEING THE COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING IN AND JUMPING IN AS WELL, CAN I SAY ABOUT OUR NEWEST THING ABOUT THE DIWALI SPOT, MAY I? SO WE JUST APPARENTLY GOT A GRANT FROM THE COLUMBUS ARTS COUNCIL FOR THE DIWALI PROGRAM. WE ALSO ALREADY HAVE AMGEN SPONSORING DIWALI PROGRAM. WE HAD THE THREE COMPANIES COME THROUGH THIS YEAR. BEING THAT IT'S OUR SECOND YEAR DOING ANYTHING, IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE. AND I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE DESIRE FOR OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS TO WANT TO SEE US DOING THESE THINGS. AND, ABBY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS CAME FROM JUST THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. AND IT REALLY TRUTHFULLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE WENT INTO THIS HAVING NO CLUE WHAT DIRECTION WE WOULD GO. AND I THINK WE'RE DOING GREAT THINGS. SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR THE SUPPORT ON IT. YEAH. IS THERE AN OUTLINE ON HOW THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM IS GOING TO WORK SO THAT COUNCIL CAN REVIEW IT JUST THE YES, THERE IS THERE WILL BE. WE ARE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT ALL DOWN ON PAPER. AND WE WOULD LOVE FEEDBACK ON IT. ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE. WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE TO AGREE ON. OR IS IT JUST, I'M NOT SURE I MEAN, I TRY TO PRESENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. TO COUNCIL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A FORMAL MOTION ON, BECAUSE IT IS UNDER THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROGRAM. BUT, I'D JUST LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ELEMENTS OF IT ARE. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IT MORE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, AND LIKE I SAID, WE ARE REALLY IN THE NEED OF FEEDBACK. SO IF YOU, THINK YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE AN ISSUE OR IF YOU KNOW OF PEOPLE, IF YOU BECAUSE I KNOW THE LYNXES ARE REALLY CONNECTED COMMUNITY AND WE'RE KIND OF MODELING IT OFF OF WHAT'S ALREADY WORKING.

SO YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE DISCUSSING IT. WE HAD A, LENGTHY DISCUSSION TODAY WITH BEN AS WELL, AND WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CAREFUL TO VERY MUCH MAINTAIN A NARROW FOCUS AND, YOU KNOW, AND KEEP THIS PROGRAM. BUT ONCE WE HAVE THE AND IT'LL BE A WORK IN PROGRESS FOR A LITTLE BIT, ONCE WE START SEEING IF WE GET VOLUNTEERS AND WHAT KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT KIND OF VOLUME WE GET. COULD BE FIVE PEOPLE, COULD BE 50. THAT WILL HELP US WITH HOW TO START TO MOVE IT FORWARD. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THOSE THINGS TO COUNCIL AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING, BUT YEAH, I DO AGREE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A FORMAL VOTE ON THE PROCESS. I THINK WE VOTED. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CAN BE GOOD TO SEE HOW YOU KNOW HOW THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO WORK. ABSOLUTELY. IS BEING REPRESENTED THROUGH THE PROGRAM. ABSOLUTELY. AND OBVIOUSLY WE NEED EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY HERE TO CONTACT YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND TRY TO FIND AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS TO GET THIS WORKING. BUT

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WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF THE HISTORICAL PART. CORRECT. THAT'S THAT IS THAT IS IT IS INCORRECT AND HE IS ACCURATE, SO THE CEMETERY BOARD ALSO DISCUSSED THE REQUEST FOR A MORE CEMETERY, APPROPRIATE FENCING AT WAGNER, AND THEY'LL BE APPROACHING COUNCIL PROBABLY LATER THIS YEAR. SOME MEMBERS HAD SEEN DIRECTOR JOLIE'S PRESENTATION ABOUT VETERANS MEMORIAL, AND SHE WILL BE COMING TO OUR OFFICE MEETING TO TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY. AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT VERY MUCH. AND THAT'S IT FOR THE CEMETERY. I'LL SAY THE NEW FENCE LOOKS SPECTACULAR NOW THAT IT'S PAINTED. JUST MADE QUITE THE DIFFERENCE. ALL RIGHT. AND THERE WAS NO MEETING OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION, WHAT A MEMBER OF COUNCIL LIKE TO PROVIDE ANY UPDATE ON ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR COMMUNICATIONS THEY RECEIVED SINCE OUR LAST MEETING? THAT TAKES US TO THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC HEARING ORDERS. OH 20

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GOOD. THANK YOU. THANKS APPRECIATE THAT. SO I'LL JUST KEEP THIS TO THE THREE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAJOR HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT THE CODE CHANGE ACCOMPLISHES. SO FOR THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THE THREE THINGS THAT ARE ACHIEVED WITH THIS CODE CHANGE ARE ADDING MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, REGULATIONS FOR THOSE, UPDATING THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES THROUGHOUT THE CODE SECTION TO MAKE SURE TO REFLECT CURRENT PRACTICES AND ALLOWING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GO INTO MORE DETAIL AS YOU GUYS NEED. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? YEP. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE O 20 2024? SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE.

OH 20 2024 SECOND, OKAY. MAYOR SPALDING. YES, COUNCILMEMBER. FELLOWS YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BRUCE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KITS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. ORDINANCE OH 20 2020 FOR ORDINANCE OH 21 2024. AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE NEW ALBANY VILLAGE CENTER URBAN CENTER FORM CODE FORM BASED CODE OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. CODIFIED ORDINANCES. YES THANK YOU AGAIN. I'LL KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF. I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH IT EXTENSIVELY DURING THE FIRST READING. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE MAIN ISSUE AND SOLUTION THAT THIS CODE CHANGE HOPES TO ADDRESS. SO CURRENTLY, STRICT INTERPRETATION OF OUR CITY CODE OR THE URBAN CENTER CODE RATHER RESULTS IN TWO PARK LAND AND OPEN SPACE REGULATIONS BEING APPLIED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO MODIFY THE URBAN CENTER CODE TO CLARIFY THAT ONLY ONE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT APPLIES TO PROPERTIES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 21 2024 HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE I MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF? OH 21 2024 SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DER. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. BRUCE. YES.

MAYOR. SPALDING. YES, I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. ORDINANCE OH 21 2024. SORRY ORDINANCE OH 22 2024 AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE TAX BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, OHIO, FOR FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2025, CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR, THIS LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET, THE TAX BUDGET, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE OHIO REVISED CODE AND THE FRANKLIN COUNTY BUDGET COMMISSION. FRANKLIN COUNTY CHOOSES TO USE THE TAX BUDGET AS A TOOL TO ESTABLISH THE LOCAL NEED FOR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE DERIVED WITHIN THE INSET MILLAGE . OTHER OHIO COUNTIES, SUCH AS LICKING AND DELAWARE, HAVE ELIMINATED THIS REQUIREMENT AND USE OTHER TOOLS. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE TAX BUDGET IS HOUSEKEEPING. NATURE AND ENABLES US, AND ACTUALLY ITS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO REMAIN COMPLIANT WITH ORC. 5705 30 AS IT'S APPLIED IN FRANKLIN COUNTY, AND SHOW THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL INSIDE MILLAGE. ALLOCATED TO NEW ALBANY EACH YEAR, I WENT THROUGH THE ORDINANCE IN DETAIL, AT THE LAST MEETING. I'M HAPPY TO ASK ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ON IT. OTHERWISE, ONCE IT'S ADOPTED, WE WILL FILE IT WITH THE COUNTY. IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT FRANKLIN WILL FOLLOW? LOOKING IN DELAWARE AND IT'S BEEN YEARS. SORRY PROBABLY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE THAT I HAVE? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE O 22, 2024. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE? MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE O 2022 2024? SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRESKE. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. ORDINANCE O 22 2024 INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCES

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THAT RIGHT. YEAH. WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR OTHER WAYS TO JUST AND WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS RECENTLY ABOUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LETTERS IN OUR, IN OUR NAME. AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PANEL THAT, WOULD LOVE TO HELP US DO THAT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS IN 2025. WE DID DO THE FAMILY EVENTS OVER AT THE BASEBALL FIELDS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE ACCENTING THAT AGAIN. SO I THINK IT'S GOING IT AS LONG AS IT STAYS WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS OF PROGRAMING OF THOSE SORTS.

AND CERTAINLY WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE AN OPEN DIALOG GOING ON WITH COUNCIL ABOUT THAT. I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM TO KIND OF BE FLUENT IN TERMS OF THE EVENTS THAT THEY WOULD BE OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. IT IS DYNAMIC AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD TO NEW THINGS ON THE HORIZON. YEAH, I WE PROBABLY WON'T WANT TO DO AN IDEA EVENT, AS A CITY FOR THE WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT EVENT BECAUSE I THINK NO ONE IS REALLY INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NEXT YEAR, WOMEN'S, YOU KNOW, THE NEW ALBANY WOMEN'S CENTER, THEY SO MANY PEOPLE TAKE IT TO THAT AND THEY SAY, HEY, WE COULD DO THIS OURSELVES. AND MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT WAY TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL. OKAY IS IT NECESSARY FOR THE EVENTS TO RESIDE? I MEAN, WE'RE DOING OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT ARE THE CITY'S RUNNING. DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE IF WE'RE DOING ANY FESTIVAL OR EVENTS SUCH AS OKTOBERFEST, IS THERE ANY REAL NEED FOR THOSE EVENTS TO BE UNDER THE IDEA, OR CAN THEY JUST BE CITY EVENTS LIKE ANY OTHER EVENT IN OUR STAFF TYPICALLY IS MANAGING THOSE ANYHOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE IMPORTANCE, AND I GUESS ADRIAN MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS MORE, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE ROLES THAT THE IDEA PANEL PLAYS IN THESE WITH THE EVENTS, IS WORKING WITH ABBI AND ILANA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVENTS ARE AUTHENTIC AND THEY'RE SPECIAL.

RIGHT, WE HAD NEVER DONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO PUT ON A 4TH OF JULY EVENT IN A SMALL TOWN, RIGHT? IT'S REALLY, PEOPLE, EVERYBODY AGREES WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? A LOT OF THESE EVENTS ARE REALLY CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO WHAT THE PANEL DOES, WHICH IS THINK REALLY THOUGHTFULLY ABOUT THE PLANNING AND THEN WORK WITH THE FOCUS GROUP TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. YEAH. RIGHT, AND WHAT THE PANEL DOES SUCH AN AMAZING JOB AT IS LOOKING AT THE PLAN, TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, THINKING ABOUT HOW THIS FITS IN WITH THE COMMUNITY. GOOD ANSWER. LIKE IT? THE OTHER PART OF THIS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, AND IS STARTING TO BEAR ITSELF OUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IS IF THERE'S INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT STARTS TO BECOME SELF-SUSTAINING OR SELF-SUPPORTED, EITHER THROUGH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OR SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION LIKE NON. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S AWESOME. THAT'S THAT'S A VICTORY FOR US. WE PUT AN IDEA OUT THERE. YEP. NO ALL PUN INTENDED.

AND IT TOOK ROOT AND IT'S AND IT'S YOU KNOW PROCEEDING ON ITS OWN WHICH AGAIN ALLOWS US TO VENTURE INTO OTHER AREAS. WE'RE TAKING YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING SOME RISK DOING THIS. AND WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL SO FAR AND HOPEFULLY THAT CONTINUES. BUT AS THESE THINGS START TO GERMINATE AND, AND LIVE ON THEIR OWN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A SUCCESS STORY. WE SHOULDN'T VIEW THAT IN ANY WAY AS ANYONE COMING IN AND TAKING OUR TURF OR WHATEVER. I MEAN THAT THIS IS REALLY, I THINK WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO ACHIEVE AND TO GROW THE FOCUS GROUPS THAT WE DID, THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE DID, AND THE SECOND YEAR TO HAVE JUNETEENTH HAVE SUCH ROBUST SPONSORSHIP, AND TO COME IN SO BELOW OUR BUDGET, I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITHOUT THAT SPONSORSHIP, THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SPONSORSHIP, THE CITY'S COMMITMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN IT WAS THE LAST YEAR. MY, MY HOPE IS THAT, IT WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO TREND IN THAT DIRECTION. YEAH. WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S WORKING. I MEAN, I KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE RECEIVED RESPONSES FROM THE SURVEY THAT SAID THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SHOULD LOOK AT ABOUT BEING MORE INCLUSIVE AND CELEBRATING SOME OF THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DOING THAT. I MEAN, THE RESULTS ARE OUT THERE. WE HAD THE HIGHEST THIS YEAR, THAT WE'VE EVER HAD, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, I JUST HAD TWO QUESTIONS AND I THINK WE

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I DON'T KNOW BASED WOULD THIS BE SUPPORTIVE OF INCLUSION DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND ACCESSIBILITY. YOU COULD ASK THEM FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE. I'D ASK FOR POLICY TO BE REMOVED. I CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO CLARIFY HERE I DON'T I I'M NOT SURE WHO. ADRIAN WERE YOU A PART OF DRAFTING THIS SIX POINT. IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT ISN'T THE ISN'T THE EXHIBIT A THE ACTUAL PROPOSED ORDINANCE? YES. MY UNDERSTANDING. AND DOESN'T THE ACTUAL PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAVE

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YEAH. OKAY. I GET THAT. I YEAH, I WAS JUST READING THAT FIRST SENTENCE AND TO ME THAT NEGATED IT. BUT I GET IT, I, I GET IT. THAT WAS ALL. OKAY. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD THEN WE'LL STICK WITH EXHIBIT A UNDER THE 138 .06 POWERS AND DUTIES, I GUESS IT WOULD BE ITEM B CARRY OUT SPECIFIC ACTIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE IDEA COMMITTEE IN THEIR 2021 REPORT. I MEAN, THEY HAD 11 RECOMMENDATIONS THERE, AND MOST OF THEM I AGREE WITH. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THAT I'M NOT SURE I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD BE HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEM, IS THERE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WE COULD PUT IN THERE THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO I THINK IT'S ASSUMED, BUT MAYBE SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE SO THAT THEY'RE KIND OF NOT JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO ALL 11, BUT MAYBE OUR GUIDANCE OR INPUT, I THINK THAT THE AS, AS PROVIDED BY COUNCIL IS ASSUMED, AND I WOULD BE FINE HAVING THAT, LANGUAGE INCLUDED DIRECTED BY YOU. YEAH. AS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH.

THAT'S GREAT. OKAY, SO I THINK WE HAD THAT THAT TAKE A VOTE OF COUNCIL THEN TO BE LIKE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO ONE OF THESE ELEMENTS OR I MEAN, I'M GOING TO ASK BEN THAT TO ANSWER THAT, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE. EVERY TIME WE DECIDE ON A NEW SOCIAL EVENT.

SO, YEAH. WELL, I THINK IF THE LANGUAGE SAYS AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL, IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME COUNCIL ACTION TO DIRECT WHAT TO DO. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THEY COULD DO THAT A BIT MORE BROADLY. NOT NECESSARILY EVERY TIME IT COMES UP, BUT SET FORTH HERE'S OUR PLANS, OUR GUIDES, AND WE SET OUT YEARLY PLANNING THAT MIGHT COVER IT. BUT, IF YOU DON'T DO THAT AND IT SAYS AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL, I THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO WHICH WAY TO GO. WHAT IF WE COULD SAY, AND THIS IS AND THIS IS FIRST READING. SO I MEAN, WE YEAH, WE CAN WORK ON THIS. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. CONCERN IS IF WE'RE CREATING A BOARD, WE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE OVERSIGHT, RIGHT TO A DEGREE. RIGHT. WELL I MEAN HOW DO YOU WHAT DO WE DO I MEAN WHAT DOES SUSTAINABILITY DO WHEN THEY COME UP WITH NEW PROJECTS. WHAT'S WHAT'S HOW DO YOU DO. YOU HAVE TO COME HERE WITH EVERYTHING YOU DO. WELL, NO, I MEAN, I THINK UP UNTIL THIS POINT IT'S OPERATED. I MEAN, IF IT NEEDS FUNDING, THEN WE NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL, AND IT'S INCORPORATED IN THE BUDGET. YEAH BUT I MEAN, UP TO THIS POINT, LIKE, WHEN YOU DECIDED TO DO AN EVENT, I DON'T THINK EACH OF THOSE WAS COMING TO. YEAH, SO, YEAH, OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY NEEDED. YEAH. WELL, MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT THAT, TOO, BECAUSE I TEND TO AGREE THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE UNKNOWINGLY DELEGATING THE POLICY RESPONSIBILITY OF COUNCIL TO A BOARD. AND COMMISSION, THERE ARE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS CREATED IN, IN THE CHARTER, IN THE, IN THE CODE THAT HAVE CERTAIN LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD AND THE IDEA IMPLEMENTATION PANEL ARE NOT TWO OF THOSE. SO I JUST I TEND TO AGREE WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE DO THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S VERY DELIBERATE, AND I THINK AS, AS CASEY SAID, THAT COMMITTEE REALLY BRINGS THINGS TO US FOR BUDGET, BUT THEY'RE NOT SETTING POLICY. THEY'RE ESTABLISHING PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS, BUT THEY REALLY AREN'T SETTING A STANDARDIZED POLICY THAT ALL RESIDENTS HAVE TO ADHERE TO. AND NOR HIS IDEA I'M WORRIED ABOUT. JUST LET ME FINISH. AND ALL WE'RE SAYING IS LET'S CLEAR IT UP SO THAT AMBIGUITY DOESN'T EXIST GOING FORWARD. AND IF YOU TAKE THE POLICIES OUT, THAT TAKES CARE OF IT. SO WE TOOK POLICIES OUT. WE TOOK POLICIES OUT. THEY DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT. SO THEN IT SHOULD THEN MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THAT. TAKE CARE OF IT. YEAH.

HE'S HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING. SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LINE IS AS FAR AS

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AND IT'S APPROVED, RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S COME TO COUNCIL. BUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, APPROVAL DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING, CHANGE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF IT'S GOING TO BE COVERED DURING THE BUDGETING PROCESS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT TO FUND TO DO, AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY, OKAY, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ADDED, WHETHER IT'S SUSTAINABILITY OR IT'S THE IDEA COMMITTEE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MONEY IN YOUR BUDGET THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT BE SPENT OR YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD STILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL. WELL, I THINK THERE'S THE DIVERGENCES POLICY AND PROGRAMING AND I THINK PROGRAMING IS WHERE THE SPACE THAT THESE TWO HAVE LIVED IN SO FAR, AND I THINK THE CONCERN IS WHEN IT VEERS OVER TO POLICY. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, AS A TEST, SAY THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD VOTES THAT EVERY NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILD IN NEW ALBANY HAS TO HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON IT.

AND IT'S APPROVED AT THE BOARD LEVEL. NOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, BEN. LIKE THAT DOESN'T BECOME DO THEY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AN ORDINANCE OR THERE'S NO BINDING. IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL. CORRECT AND THERE'D HAVE TO BE A RESOLUTION MADE OR AN ORDINANCE IF YOU WANT IT TO BE BINDING IN ANY FASHION. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A RECOMMENDATION OF THE. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS VIEW.

THINGS THAT CAME FROM SAB AND IDEA WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDATIONS. EVEN WHEN YOU VEER DOWN THE POLICY PATH, IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS BE THE POLICY OF THE CITY, BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHETHER IT BECOMES THE POLICY OF THE CITY. WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES AROUND CENTRAL OHIO OF OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED. THIS SORT OF, WENT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID, WHERE IT'S YOU'RE PITTING CITIZENS AGAINST, AGAINST COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST COMPLETE HYPOTHETICAL. BUT THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, CREATES A POLICY AND CARRIES OUT SPECIFIC ACTIONS, USING LANGUAGE HERE IN THIS RESOLUTION, SAYING THAT THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY WILL ONLY USE, LIKE, ELECTRIC VEHICLES. IT'S NICE ASPIRATIONAL GOAL, BUT, I MEAN, FINANCIALLY, HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY THAT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COUNCIL COULD ADOPT. BUT NOW WE'RE AT LOGGERHEADS WITH A COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE DELEGATED POLICY AUTHORITY. AND SO I YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU WANT TO TRY TO LAY THE EXPECTATIONS CLEARLY ON THE TABLE AT THE BEGINNING SO YOU DON'T RUN INTO THOSE ISSUES. I THINK POLICY CLEARLY COMES OUT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A QUESTION I THINK NONE OF US EVER INTEND FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE TO BE GOING OUT AND MAKING A POLICY DECISION, I THINK. WHAT WHAT, CASEY SAID IS CORRECT. I THINK IT'S ABOUT PROGRAMING. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS GET US LOCKED INTO A POINT WHERE THEN SAYS, NOW, IF WE HAVEN'T VOTED IN THE BUDGET A YEAR AGO, WE CAN'T COME TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, GUESS WHAT? WE WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS GREAT PROGRAM WE WANT TO DO NEXT MONTH. AND EVERYBODY JUST GOES THAT, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FORMAL, YOU KNOW, VOTE FROM COUNCIL TO DO IT. THAT'S WHERE I DON'T WANT TO LOCK US IN AT THAT LEVEL AND WHERE I DON'T THINK CASEY IS LOCKED IN. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT. DO YOU HAVE POLICY IN YOURS? IS THAT WHERE WE GOT THIS FROM? YEAH. SO PERHAPS IT YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT, NUMBER TEN OF THE IDEA OF COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS IN 2021 SAYS BUILD EQUITY AND WELL-BEING BY EMBEDDING IDEA INTO ALL MUNICIPAL POLICIES, PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS WE WERE NEVER GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. WE NEVER HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION SAYING, AND THAT'S WHY THE WORD POLICY, I GET THAT PART. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION

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BUT I WASN'T AROUND IN 2021, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE AROUND, YOU JUST WEREN'T HERE. YEAH SO THE PANEL WAS CREATED IN 2021 AND THEN THE APPOINTMENTS WERE MADE IN 2022.

SO THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS IN 2021. WHEN IT WAS CREATED. IT WAS UNDER THE SAME.

I WOULD SAY, CONCEPT THAT THE PANEL WOULD BE CREATED TO IMPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT REPORT, BUT COUNCIL WOULD DESIGNATE WHICH RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WOULD WORK ON AND SO AT THAT TIME, IT WAS DECIDED THAT THERE WOULD BE THOSE THREE PROGRAMMATIC LINES THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH. AND AT THE TIME, WE WERE CALLING THEM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AMBASSADORS. THE MAIN RECEPTION. AND THEN LIKE THE EVENTS. AND SO, I MEAN, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT WAS CREATED AND ORIGINALLY. BUT IF WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE MORE SPECIFIC, THEN I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. WE PROBABLY DO WANT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, JUST BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT THEY WANT TO WORK ON THAT COULD BE POLICY RELATED, LIKE RELATED TO NATIVE LANDSCAPING, AND SO WE COULD STILL TAKE THAT OUT, BUT WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF TALK THAT THROUGH AND SEE HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT SOMETHING. THEY MIGHT WANT TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL. I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE STAFF BOTH OF THESE BOARDS. WE MAKE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR EVERY TIME WE CAN THAT THESE ARE ADVISORY BOARDS AND THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE WOULD NEVER THINK THAT ANY DECISION THAT THE BOARD IS MAKING IS A BINDING DECISION, AND THAT WE WOULDN'T TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL. AND IN FACT, AT THE BUDGET PROCESS EACH YEAR WE DO AN ANNUAL REPORT AND WORK PLAN THAT OUTLINES WHAT WE DID. THE CURRENT YEAR AND WHAT OUR PROPOSED PROJECTS ARE FOR THE COMING YEAR. AND WHAT THOSE BUDGETS ARE BASED ON WHAT THE BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED. AND SO WE FOLLOW THAT AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME YOU GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE. BUT THOSE ARE THE BROAD PARAMETERS IN TERMS OF HOW WE IMPLEMENT THE BOARD'S WORK BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE APPROVED. I AGREE WITH ALL THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE HAS TO HAVE THE GUARDRAILS TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S THE TRUTH, RIGHT? IN THE END, THE LANGUAGE HAS TO HAVE THE GUARDRAILS. AND THESE AGREEMENTS. WELL I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS PRETTY CLOSE ON HOW TO FIX IT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS THAT THEY WANT TO BRING TO US. AND WE CAN WE CAN POLISH IT UP FOR THE SECOND READING. YEAH. ALL RIGHT,

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[11. RESOLUTIONS AND PUBLIC HEARING]

SOME THINGS CAN WAIT. OKAY, SO RELATED JUST TO AT LEAST TO JULY 4TH AND OKTOBERFEST. IT'S PROBABLY DECEMBER JANUARY. AND THAT PLANNING STARTS DEFINITELY. OKAY ARE YOU HAVING ANY MORE SUCCESS GETTING SPONSORS FOR OKTOBERFEST? GROWING THE SPONSORSHIP BEYOND WHERE EVERY YEAR? OR IS IT CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION REGARDING SPONSORSHIP FOR OKTOBERFEST TO BRING IN MORE DOLLARS IN SUPPORT OF THAT EVENT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S DOLLARS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING? ARE YOU HAVING ANY SUCCESS GROWING THE SPONSORSHIP TO HELP SUPPORT THAT THIS YEAR? NO BECAUSE WE'VE IT'S TAKEN A WHILE TO HAVE A DATE AND THEN A LOCATION. NOW THAT WE HAVE BOTH OF THOSE, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR SPONSORSHIPS. OKAY. YEAH. SORRY. I REALLY APPRECIATED YOU COMING TO DO THIS FOR US. YOU HAD MENTIONED WHEN YOU CAME IN AND DID YOUR REPORT THAT IF WE EVER WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THESE EVENTS, THAT YOU'D BE HAPPY TO COME IN AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN DOING 4TH OF JULY FOREVER. HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE BEEN DOING OKTOBERFEST WITH YOU? DO YOU KNOW? WELL THE CHAMBER, THE CITY ASKED THE CHAMBER TO TAKE ON THESE TWO EVENTS, WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A FEW YEARS.

AND THEN WHEN DID WE START 2020? IT'S BEEN WAS REALIZED THAT WE WOULD DO IT STARTING IN 2021.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS STARTING IN 2021. OKAY. OR, AND EVENTS. AND I WANT TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU DO THIS FOR US. I KNOW FROM WORKING WITH IDEA HOW DIFFICULT PROGRAMING IS, HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES, AND HOW MUCH EFFORT. AND WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE FACT THAT YOU'VE DONE THIS FOR US ALL THESE YEARS, AND I THINK YOU PUT ON SOME PHENOMENAL EVENTS AND PROGRAMING AND GET A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT.

BUT I WANTED TO ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND I AND I'M HOPING YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. I WANT TO GET SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE OKTOBERFEST IN PARTICULAR. DO YOU THINK IT'S REALISTIC THAT WE CAN AT SOME POINT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DOING IT, THE TALK WAS WE WOULD GET TO A POINT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THIS THING PAY FOR ITSELF. I BELIEVE WAS A DISCUSSION WE HAD IN OUR INITIAL BUDGET DISCUSSIONS WAS THAT I DON'T PRIOR TO THE CHEAPER THAT WAS, IT WAS NOT SOMETHING YOU

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EXACTLY HOW IT COULD BE, I THINK. ARE THERE THINGS WE COULD DO DIFFERENTLY THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COULD MAKE THAT MORE POSSIBLE? I THINK BECAUSE IT'S A FREE EVENT, WHICH I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT. AND PEOPLE, THINGS THAT PEOPLE ENJOY, I THINK YOU COULD MAKE THE ENTERTAINMENT MAYBE MORE SPECIAL, MORE EXPENSIVE IN CHARGE. SO SAY THE BIG HEADLINER BAND FOR EXAMPLE, ON ON A SATURDAY NIGHT WOULD, I CAN'T THINK OF A BAND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY ATTRACT SHERYL CROW TO DUBLIN A WHILE AGO WHEN SHE WAS STILL SOMETHING YOU PAID MONEY FOR. BUT SO THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, I PAID MONEY FOR TWO YEARS AGO FOR SHERYL CROW. I'M SORRY. I THINK WITH SOME CHANGES, OKTOBERFEST COULD PROBABLY STAND ON ITS OWN IS THAT THE GOAL IS FOR THE CITY NOT TO DO IT. I'M NOT. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON EVERYBODY'S BEHALF AND SAY THAT IS THE GOAL. BUT AT ONE TIME, IT WAS WHAT WE THOUGHT AND MAYBE AT LEAST GETTING CLOSER TO THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE NICE. I MEAN, IT IS A BIG TICKET FOR ME TO KNOW IT'S A BIG TICKET. SO OUR MORE EXPENSE AWAY FROM THE CITY TO SPONSORSHIP. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. DO YOU THINK THAT MAKING IT INTO LIKE A ONE DAY THING WOULD MAKE THAT GOAL MORE ACHIEVABLE? WELL THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING ABOUT THAT GOAL. OKAY. SO THAT'S FAIR TO PUT MY MIND TO IT. AND YEAH, DRAFT SOMETHING. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY HOPES NOT TO DO IN THE FUTURE AND HAVE ANOTHER GROUP DO IT? OH, WE'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO DO IT. WE JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO GARNER MORE SPARK SPONSORSHIP LIKE GOING TO BREWDOG OR SOME LARGE BREWERY LIKE RHINEGEIST AND ASKING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NAMING RIGHTS FOR THIS EVENT. THAT'S IN NEW ALBANY, AND THEN WE GET MORE SPONSORSHIP DOLLARS AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING. IT'S POSSIBLE. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK AS A COMMUNITY GROWS, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE A LARGER COMMUNITY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE FOCUS AND ATTENTION ON OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S ALREADY A HUGE EVENT, AND YOU ARE SHOWING SOME OF YOUR, SOME OF YOUR, SOME OF YOUR, ONLINE, FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE GETTING BASED ON EVENTS. AND OKTOBERFEST HAD THE MOST CLICKS. SO IT'S I MEAN, IT'S A POPULAR EVENT, BUT IS THAT IS THAT A RESPONSIBILITY YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING A PART OF TAKING ON? SINCE YOU'RE SAYING NOBODY'S EVER COMMUNICATED THAT TO YOU? A DEEPER DIVE INTO EXPECTATIONS AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND IF IT WAS TO BE OUR EVENT, I MEAN, SO WE CAN CHANGE IT ANY WAY WE WANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE YOUR EVENT ANYMORE. YEAH. AND OTHER OTHER IT'S STILL SUPPORTED. WE STILL WANT TO SUPPORT IT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, CAN WE WANT TO SUPPORT. WE JUST WANT I GUESS I DON'T REALLY I WOULD NOT I WOULD WANT MORE INFORMATION. WE HEREBY GIVE IT A MONTH. WELL AND I DON'T WANT IT.

I MEAN, NO, BECAUSE I AM ALSO NOT JUST ASKING ABOUT JUST BUDGETS. I REALLY AM NOT. I REALLY JUST WANT YOUR INSIGHT. YOU'VE BEEN THE PERSON THAT RUNS THIS THING DAY TO DAY SINCE ITS INCEPTION, AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. DO YOU THINK? ARE THERE THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT? ARE THERE THINGS YOU THINK THAT WE'RE DOING PARTICULARLY WELL WITH IT? DO YOU THINK IF YOU TOOK THE BUDGET PART OUT OF IT, DO YOU THINK THE LENGTH OF TIME WE'VE CHOSEN IS THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME OR TOO MUCH TIME? YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION AND HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE COMMIT TO MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER WITH IT. SO WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS THIS FORMALIZED AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ALSO HELPFUL IN OTHER WAYS, THE WAY THAT WE GET REIMBURSED. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG TO GET REIMBURSED. AND, AND THOSE TECHNICAL THINGS ABOUT HAVING AN

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RIGHT. NO NO COMPLAINTS. JUST CURIOUS OF YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE WAS TAUGHT YOU. RIGHT I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS TO LOOK AT. THE DATA IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR A TWO DAY FESTIVAL LIKE THAT IN THE FALL, MY PREFERENCE IS, AN AWAY GAME. NO HOMECOMING? NO. WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS? NO, NOT THAT FRIDAY OR MONDAY WOULD BE A SCHOOL HOLIDAY BECAUSE THAT I MEAN A LOT IN OUR COMMUNITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE FRIDAY OR MONDAY IS A IS NOT A SCHOOL DAY.

THEY'RE NOT THERE. SO WHEN YOU START AND THEN THERE'S SOME RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS AROUND THAT TIME, SO TO, YOU KNOW, PICKLE AND OF COURSE NOT ANOTHER EVENT. WE ALL PROTECT OUR DAYS AS FAR AS ANNUAL EVENTS, SO THE DATE IS IMPORTANT AND WE AND WE TRACK. I'M KIND OF A NERD ABOUT TRACKING METRICS FROM THE AMOUNT OF DRINK TICKETS THAT WE SELL TO WHAT, THE, TEMPERATURE WAS. WAS IT RAINING THAT YEAR, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS. I THINK THE DATE IS SUPER IMPORTANT. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE FIRST DATE WE PICKED, THERE WAS ANOTHER MAJOR COMMUNITY EVENT GOING ON THAT DAY, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TWO TWO LARGE ALCOHOL EVENTS AND ONE WEEKEND. AND YOU DON'T YOU DON'T WANT A NIGHT HOME A NIGHT.

OHIO STATE FOOTBALL GAME, RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING DOWN THERE OR NOT COMING. THEY'RE GOING TO WATCH THAT GAME, RIGHT, OR WHATEVER. SO YEAH, YOU WANT LIKE OHIO STATE V WISCONSIN NIGHT GAME. AND THIS IS WHY WE START PICKING THESE TO HAND A HOME GAME. RIGHT. WE START PICKING THESE DATES IN JANUARY AND IT WAS CHANGED RECENTLY, WE'LL CHANGE TWO TIMES, SO THAT'S HARD TOO, BECAUSE THE MORE BECAUSE THAT PULLS OFF OUR PLANNING, I CAN'T BOOK AND PUT DEPOSITS ON THINGS IF I DON'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DATE YET OR IF I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED. AND, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A LOCATION I'M WAITING TO HEAR IF THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. SO YOUR BACKYARD. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. YEAH, BUT I WILL ON THAT SAME SUBJECT. 4TH OF JULY. 4TH OF JULY IS A TOUGH ONE. MOST CITIES DO. 4TH OF JULY. I DON'T MY EXPERIENCE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT COULD BE PROFITABLE IN AND OF ITSELF. AND WHEN I SAY PROFITABLE, I MEAN LIKE THE INCOME MINUS EXPENSE, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD THAT DISCUSSION FOR 4TH OF JULY. I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT.

RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, I THINK. BUT AND WE DON'T FEEL OWNERSHIP OVER THESE I'M SORRY. THE NATIONAL HOLIDAY VERSUS ANOTHER EVENT VERSUS A VERY DIFFERENT.

SO IT'LL BE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE IF THE CITY WANTS I MEAN, MOST CITIES DO 4TH OF JULY, SO MUCH OF IT IS CITY. IT'S POLICE FEES. IT'S PUBLIC SERVICE. IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THE CITY. IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK. SO, FOR ALL OF US. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS FOR THIS YEAR. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO DO WE'RE GOING TO DO 4TH OF JULY. IT'S IN 15 MINUTES. WE'RE GOING TO DO OKTOBERFEST. SHOULD WE HAVE THIS LOCATION APPROVED, BUT I WANT TO BECAUSE THE BY THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE BEEN ASKING, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR CONTRACTING US TO DO SO THAT WE. SO WHAT YOU THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. SO IF WE DO WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. SO IF WE WANTED TO. SO IF WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME AND COME BACK TO US WITH SOME OF THE THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE ASKED, MAYBE WE COULD SIT DOWN AT A LATER DATE AND KIND OF GET YOUR INPUT AND THOUGHTS. WELL, I MEAN, OCTOBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR IS PROBABLY BAKED IN. YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING MAYBE A YEAR FROM NOW, EVERYTHING'S. YEAH. RIGHT, BUT WE START. DO YOU ALSO HAVE THE SAME TIME YOU DO, WHICH I ASSUME IS OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER. SO IF WE'RE GOING SO SOON, AN AGREEMENT FOR NEXT YEAR, AND IT IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, IT IMPACTS THE CHAMBER. SO AGAIN, I JUST

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MARLENE, IS THAT 72? THE 4TH OF JULY? IS THAT INCLUSIVE OF FIREWORKS OR IS THAT JUST THE PORTION? YOU MEAN THE 53? NO. THE FIREWORKS ARE DIFFERENT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT DO THE FIREWORK FIREWORKS OR JUST THE. SO WOULD I, MY HOUSE JUST ABOUT SPLITS IN HALF EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT NO NO. YEAH. IT'S NOT INCLUSIVE THAT BUT OKAY. BUT AGAIN WE WERE HAPPY TO WHEN THE CITY CAME TO US AND ASKED US TO DO THIS. WE WERE HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU'RE HAPPY. YEAH. AND WHAT YOU'RE PAYING, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE MISCONSTRUED AS WE DON'T THINK THE CHAMBER IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. NO, QUITE THE CONTRARY. I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT FROM THE BEGINNING. I MEAN, WE IT IS A HECK OF A JOB TO HAVE TO DO. I THINK WE, IN ALL OF OUR, YOU KNOW, INITIATIVES GOING FORWARD, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MORE SUSTAINABLE, WITHOUT NECESSARILY FUNDING THEM YEAR OVER YEAR. AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, LIKE, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PUT OUT THESE PROGRAMS THAT THE COMMUNITY ENJOYS AND I THINK A THE ACTIVITY OF OKTOBERFEST IS VERY WELL RECEIVED. I'VE BEEN OVERSERVED SEVERAL TIMES BY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, BABE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN NO WAY IS THIS AN INDICTMENT THAT SAYS THE CHAMBER IS NOT DOING A GREAT JOB. IT'S JUST I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO, KIND OF DIVERT FUNDS, AND IF IT IF WE CAN'T GET THERE, THEN WE CAN'T, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT. BUT I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND I WANT TO CONTINUE MARRIED TO IT EITHER. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAME TO US FOR. NO. WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING WHAT WE WANTED , AND I APPRECIATE IT, BUT THAT'S WHY I SAID SO. YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. BUT LIKE I SAID, I WOULD LOVE INSIGHT. NOT JUST ABOUT BUDGET, BUT ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK SOMEONE WHO DOES EVENTS FOR A LIVING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS REALLY, SMART. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK AT DON'T DO WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I HEAR YOU. SO YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE EVENT. AT THE END OF THE YEAR OR, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A SACRED COW? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WORKING? DO WE NEED TO TWEAK IT? DOES IT NEED A REST, I MEAN, THE CHAMBER USED TO DO A GOLF OUTING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT JUST WASN'T IT WASN'T THAT PROFITABLE. IT YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. IT WASN'T A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S NOT TO SAY SOMEONE COULDN'T REVIVE IT ANYWAY. SO YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT. AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS. AND YOU HAVE A GROWING EVENTS COMMITTEE TOO, OR DEPARTMENT AGAIN, ESPECIALLY 4TH OF JULY, WHICH ALSO DOES HAPPEN TO BE IN A VERY BUSY MONTH FOR THE CHAMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR BIGGEST, FUNDRAISER IN THE SAME MONTH OF JULY. AGAIN, WE CAN DO IT. WE'RE GOOD AT IT, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. SO AGAIN, GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, PLEASE KNOW THAT, WHAT'S THE WHAT DO YOU THINK IS YOUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN PULLING OFF SOMETHING LIKE THE OKTOBERFEST? AND PICKING A DATE EARLY, MARKETING IT. OKAY. OR VOLUNTEERS AGAIN, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TO WORK AROUND THAT, I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOMECOMING FOOTBALL NIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE GO, LIKE, I DIDN'T MISS A, YOU KNOW, I WAS A PARENT THAT DIDN'T MISS A FRIDAY FOOTBALL GAME, BUT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE'S LIKE THAT OR. NO VOLUNTEERS. TOUGHER TO GET THAN THEY USED TO BE. OR IS THAT NOT NECESSARY? VOLUNTEERS ARE VERY TOUGH ON 4TH OF JULY, BUT NOT NOT AS MUCH, BUT NOT AS MUCH. BUT FOR SUCH A GOOD HOLIDAY, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK ON THE HOLIDAY. OKAY DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS AND NON YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS THAT ATTEND 4TH OF JULY AND OKTOBERFEST? ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO EVENTS? NO. THERE'S NO WAY FOR ME TO KNOW THAT. AND JUST SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME. WE'RE NOT CANCELING 4TH OF

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AND MY, MY KIDS LOVE THE BOUNCE HOUSES. SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING PUTTING THOSE. CAN WE GET RID OF THOSE AND LIKE ARE YOU KIDDING. THEY SHOWED ME THE PICTURES OF THE LONG LINES. AND WHEN YOU CLOSE DOWN THE LINES, IT'S CRIES . IT'S VERY SAD. YOU CATCH ME CRYING. THE MOM CRIES BECAUSE EVERYBODY CRIES. YEAH. I'M TIRED. IT'S THE END OF THE NIGHT. THOSE ARE THE. THAT'S THE SACRED COW. SO IT'S A LOT OF WORK AGAIN. AND YOU, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU WORK REALLY HARD AT IT.

SO PLEASE KNOW THAT WE ALL APPRECIATE IT. AND. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A LOT. IT'S EVERYBODY AND THE CITY AGAIN. WE COULDN'T DO THESE WITHOUT THE CITY. THE VERY INTENSIVE POLICE AND PUBLIC SERVICE. AND YOU GUYS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IT'S GOOD. THANKS FOR COMING OUT. AND GLAD YOU HAD YOUR SWEATER IN THE CAR. AND CAN YOU. YEAH. YES, YES. WELL, FOR ME. OH THANKS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE STILL HAVE A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT. ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION? THEN I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION, 28 2024 HEARING. NO COMMENT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD MOVE THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 28 2024 SECOND. MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELBY YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIS. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. PHELAN YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT.

RESOLUTION R 28 2024. ALL RIGHT. RESOLUTION R 30 2024 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PROVIDE A ONE TIME RETROACTIVE PAYMENT AND MAKE BIANNUAL REVENUE SHARING PAYMENTS TO PLAIN TOWNSHIP IN AMOUNTS EQUAL TO THOSE THE TOWNSHIP WOULD HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE PROPERTY TAX LEVIES FOR FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. IN THE ABSENCE OF TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICTS CREATED FOR THE RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY, TIFF AND BLACKLICK TO BOB EVANS, DIRECTOR STOSS, THANK YOU MAYOR. THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION IS TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO TAKE THE NECESSARY ACTIONS TO SHARE TIF REVENUE WITH THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FOR RESEARCH, TECH, TECH, TECH, RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY TO FUND THE BLACK LAKE TWO. BOB EVANS, FOR FIRE AND EMS SERVICES. THE CITY HAS SEVERAL AGREEMENTS WITH PLAIN TOWNSHIP, WHICH OUTLINE OBLIGATIONS RELATED TO TIF REVENUE, AND HISTORICALLY, THE CITY HAS SHARED RESIDENTIAL TIF REVENUE RECEIVED FROM FRANKLIN COUNTY, AND THAT IS TO COMPENSATE THE TOWNSHIP FOR FIRE AND EMS REVENUES. MOST OF THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION AND AGREEMENTS WITH PLAIN TOWNSHIP DO NOT CONTEMPLATE COMPENSATION FOR THE TIF DISTRICTS ESTABLISHED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND TYPICALLY THE CITY NEEDS ALL OF THAT TIFF REVENUE IT RECEIVES TO FUND VARIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TO EACH THAT ARE RELATED TO EACH TIF DISTRICT AREA. IN 2021, WE HAD ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION AND ANALYSIS OF ESTIMATED REVENUE FROM SOME OF THOSE TIFFS THAT WERE LEFT OUTSIDE OF THE AGREEMENT AND AGREED THAT WE WOULD SHARE THE STREETS, FARM, OXFORD AND SCHLEPPI NOTTINGHAM TRACE RESIDENTIAL AS THEY WERE NEW TIFFS THAT WERE CREATED SINCE THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS, AND THEN ALSO THE BLACK LICK AND THE BLACK LAKE TWO FOREST DRIVE TIFFS. AT THE REQUEST OF PLAIN TOWNSHIP, THE CITY HAS ANALYZED THE REVENUE RECEIVED FROM THE REMAINING TIFFS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THESE AGREEMENTS, AND THESE INCLUDED THE RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY TIFF AND THE BLACK LAKE TO BOB EVANS, TIFFS AND VILLAGE CENTER, TO TIFF, THE ANALYSIS HAS, ALLOWED THE RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY AND BLACK LAKE TWO BOB EVANS TIFFS, WE RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULD SHARE THAT REVENUE FOR FIRE AND EMS SERVICES. THEY GENERATE AN ESTIMATED 468,000, NET OF COUNT.

AND THEN IF YOU TAKE IT, NET OF COUNTING FEES, IT'S 455, FOR A RETRO PAYMENT FROM 2015 THROUGH TO 2022. AND THEN THERE'S AN ANNUAL DISTRIBUTION OF APPROXIMATELY $84,000, ESTIMATED FROM HEREAFTER, DURING A PRESENTATION AT JUNE 18TH COUNCIL MEETING, REPRESENTATIVES FROM PLAIN TOWNSHIP EXPRESSED THAT ADDITIONAL TIF REVENUE WILL HELP TO OFFSET, PROJECTED FINANCIAL, DEFICIT. AND THEN THIS LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO MAKE THOSE ONE TIME RETROACTIVE PAYMENT TO PLAIN TOWNSHIP FOR THE AMOUNTS FOR RESEARCH TECH AND BLACK LAKE TO BOB EVANS, AND THEN ALSO CONTINUE ON WITH THE ANNUAL, REVENUE THAT THEY WOULD

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CARRIE MILLARD, PLAIN TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE. JUST WANTED TO COME AND SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP. THANK YOU FOR THE ANALYSIS AND ALL THE HARD WORK. AND TO FINANCE DIRECTOR, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO COME TONIGHT TO SAY THANK YOU AND ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. NO, I APPRECIATE JERRY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON RESOLUTION R 30 2024? I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT OUR RESOLUTION R3 2024, SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER DEREK . YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES.

MAYOR. SPALDING YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 30 2024. ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT TAKES US TO, COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY COMMITTEE

[13. REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES]

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[14. REPORTS OF CITY OFFICIALS]

YOU HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME WITH IT, ABOUT THE, D1 LIQUOR PERMIT REQUEST FROM LOCAL DRAGON

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LOCAL DRAGON CANTINA NEW ALBANY LLC. IT'S BEEN A BIT OF A MESS, BUT ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT SORTED OUT, BASICALLY ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS BRING IN A BEER SALES PERMIT. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? WANT TO HAVE A HEARING ABOUT THAT? NO. ARE THEY LOCATED THERE IN THE 160 WEST MAIN IN THE FRENCH? OKAY YES, SO THAT WAS THAT. AND THEN IT IS JULY 2ND. THERE ARE FOUR.

THURSDAY IS JULY 4TH. THERE HAS BEEN SOME DECORATING ALREADY HAPPENING. I NEED CAN WE COME AT TEN TOMORROW MORNING? TEN TOMORROW MORNING. WE'LL WORK. I WILL GET WITH EACH OF YOU TO GET A GOOD TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE IS HERE. AND YOU WILL SEE DECORATIONS ABOUT YOU, AND I'LL RUN THOSE THROUGH YOU WITH YOU TONIGHT. INFLATABLE. BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE STILL AMONG.

WHAT'S THAT? SAVE ME AN INFLATABLE. THESE GUYS STEAL THEM ALL, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ROOM, BECAUSE IT IS FULL OF INFLATABLE GIRLS. WE GOT TO STICK TOGETHER. IT'S FULL OF INFLATABLES. WE'RE ALL IN THERE. YOU CAN GRAB THEM, TAKE THEM HOME TONIGHT. I GOT MY OWN. SO, THE PLAN. SAME AS LAST YEAR, SINCE WE ARE DOING THE CART THING, AND I DON'T HAVE STAFF TO MOVE ALL YOUR CARTS FOR YOU, WE ARE GOING TO BE PARKING THEM UNDERNEATH, IN SOME BAYS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO BE AT THE POLICE BAY AT 945 BY TEN. CARTS WILL BE MOVING TO THE FRONT OF THE PARADE. SO 945 PD TO COME GET YOUR CART OR A DESIGNEE TO COME GET YOUR CART. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE STAGING FOR THE PARADE IS GOING TO BE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE STREET INSTEAD OF IN THE PARKING LOT. AND IT'S DUE TO CONSTRUCTION OF THAT DROP LANE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LINING UP IN THE STREET. AND IN FACT, THEY'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO ARE DROPPING OFF WALKERS AND KIDS TO GO RED ROOF INN BACK TO. YEAH, THE RED ROOF IN THE WALTON PARKWAY AND ENTER THAT WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT APPLIES TO THE CARTS. PERHAPS YOU CAN CLEAR THAT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO NOT DRIVE ALL THE WAY OUT AROUND AND BACK. SO THEY WANT YOU TO DROP DOWN. I CAN BARELY GET THROUGH THE PARADE. YOU DON'T WANT ME ON THE ROAD WITH CARS? YEAH, IT JUST STARTS FROM 605 AND JUST QUEUES UP ON 605. THEY'RE JUST SHUTTING DOWN SIX OH. WE'LL JUST GRAB CARTS FROM HERE UNTIL WE HAVE. WE HAVE GOLF CARTS. YEAH. WE'RE GOOD. YEAH. YOUR COUNCIL. I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY PICK YOUR PATH WITH THE GOLF CART, SO YEAH. 945 AT PD AROUND THE BACK WAY BECAUSE I'M NOT COMING UP.

605 I'M JUST NOT. THANK YOU FOR GIVING THAT GOOD HEADS UP. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO COORDINATE OUTFITS OR IS IT A FREE FOR ALL RED, WHITE AND BLUE? GO FOR FREE FOR ALL. OKAY FOR ALL, FREE FOR ALL. IT IS IN THE CARTS. RED, WHITE AND BLUE CATEGORY. WHITE AND BLUE. WE'RE GOOD. YEAH, DUDE. NEON AND PINK. ALL RIGHT. AND ALSO FOR THE INFLATABLES. I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT ENOUGH STRAPS OR OR WAYS TO GET THE INFLATABLES ATTACHED AS THIS IS MORE INFLATABLES WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. PLEASE BRING STRAPS OR BUNGEES OR ROPE OR HOWEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO ATTACH THOSE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW. IT WOULD TAKE MANY, MANY ZIP TIES TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO I WOULD JUST PREFER YOU BRING WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT AT HOME TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, AND THAT IS IT, SO GET WITH ME TO SCHEDULE WHEN YOU'RE DECORATING. AND ALSO 945 AT PD THURSDAY MORNING. THANK YOU. THANKS. AND I WAS ALREADY OVER THERE. YEP OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR THE CLERK. IS THAT RETIRED? I NEED A FOUR SEATER, LIKE A BIG THING. OH, THEY LEFT. YEAH, WE NEED THAT. OKAY. YEAH. WE DID TWOS.

CLARKSTOWN MAYOR, YOU WANTED FOR SOMETHING. I WANTED A FOUR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU.

CLERK MASON AGAIN FOR, ALL THE HELP AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE STILTING I. OH THAT'S RIGHT, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL. YEAH. I'LL BE PEELING OFF AT 1030 TO GO FIND THE AMAZING GIANTS AND STILT UP AND THEN COMING BACK DOWN TO HELP YOU, TEAR DOWN THE CARTS. BUT, YES, I WILL BE PART OF THAT GROUP. ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AS ALWAYS. YEAH, IT WAS THIS CLOSE TO BRINGING TWO LARGE, GIANT, INFLATABLE, PATRIOTIC DUCKS INTO COUNCIL CHAMBERS TONIGHT, BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE DISTRACTING. WE'RE NOT. ALL RIGHT. ANY UPDATE FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR? NOTHING TO REPORT, BUT I WILL SAY I'M BRINGING MY FAMILY TO THE PARADE. AND THEIR FAVORITE THING IS THE. IS YOUR STILT WALKING. SO, YEAH, THEY WILL. MY KIDS WILL BE, ENJOYING THE SHOW. I'M SURE. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, CITY MANAGER, ANY REPORT? I THINK THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A TRAFFIC, ISSUE UPDATE FROM THE CHIEF, SO. YEAH, AGAIN, WHERE THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS, SEVERAL TIMES WHERE THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON SOCIAL MEDIA REGARDING, TRAFFIC ON 161, YOU KNOW, I REGRETTABLY, THERE SEEMS TO BE A NUMBER OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS OUT THERE, EVEN, YOU KNOW, ON A BIKE RIDE AT 630 IN THE MORNING, YOU GO OVER THE FREEWAY AND EVEN THAT, THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, EVERYONE'S JUST NEEDS TO SLOW DOWN IN CONSTRUCTION ZONES. BUT SOMEONE HAD ACTUALLY FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE OHIO STATE HIGHWAY PATROL AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO GOT INVOLVED. SO I JUST WANTED TO CHEAT TO GIVE AN

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SO YEAH, THE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE . AND WE KNOW THAT THE WORD IS GETTING OUT. IT'S ENTERTAINING LISTENING TO THE CB WHEN THE WHEN ENFORCEMENT START, THEY TRY TO FIND DETOURS AROUND. AND SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S EFFECTIVE. ALSO, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE MUDFLAP VIOLATIONS, WHICH ARE PRETTY, LOW HANGING FRUIT, THEY'RE EASY TO SPOT. THOSE WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND THEN MORE RECENTLY JUST WITHIN A MONTH AND A HALF, THOSE ARE BECOMING RARE. SO WE KNOW THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE DRIVERS ARE STEPPING UP THEIR GAME AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE TRUCKS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROADWORTHY, THE COMPLAINT ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT THE HOURS OF

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[16. POLL FOR COUNCIL COMMENT]

VERY COOL. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING YOUR OFFICERS TO PARTICIPATE IN ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT. IT, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SEE POLICE OFFICERS AS YOU KNOW, BEING THERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE. IT'S JUST NOT IN YOUR WORST DAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE, ARE GOING TO ADJOURN FOR EXECUTIVE

[17. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. SEVEN. YES. VOTES TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:03 P.M.

FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME AND ALSO FOR THE, SWAGAT PERSON WHO IS DOING OUR TAPING.

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