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          MEMBERS. MIGHT CALL THE CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, JULY 15TH. 
          [I. Call to order]
CALL ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY. PRESENT, MR. WALLACE. PRESENT, MR. SHELL. PRESENT, MISS BRIGGS. 
          HERE. MR. LARSON. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT HERE. ALL VOTING MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. 
          THE COMMISSION HAS A QUORUM. THANK YOU. ITEM THREE. ACTION ON MINUTES. IS THERE ANY CHANGES TO 
          [III. Action on minutes: June 17, 2024]
THE JUNE 17TH MINUTES? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. NO NONE HERE? NONE HERE. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE JUNE 17TH MINUTES? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 17TH, 2024 MEETING AS PRESENTED. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND? AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. 
          MR. WALLACE. YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSEN? YES MR. KIRBY. YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. ARE THERE ANY 
          [IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda]
ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT? YES WE DO HAVE A COUPLE. SO UNDER OTHER BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE THE INFORMAL REVIEW OF THE HAMLET FINAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. 
          SOME UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES. THE APPLICANT IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. ALL OF A SUDDEN, SO STAFF WILL DO A VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF JUST PROCESS AND GIVE YOU GUYS THE UPDATE ON, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION IS AT RIGHT NOW, AS IT WAS SUBMITTED EARLIER THIS MONTH, BUT THERE WILL BE NO APPLICANT PRESENTATION. THEY WILL BE COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON AUGUST 5TH FOR THE INFORMAL REVIEW. SO IN TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, TO KIND OF MAKE UP FOR TONIGHT AND THEN WE DO HAVE, COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT IS GOING TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON OUR COMMUNITY CONNECTORS PROGRAM, UNDER OTHER BUSINESS AS WELL. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS A GOOD TIME TO MAKE OUR PHONES SILENT. TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE, HEARING OF VISITORS FOR ITEMS. NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY 
          [VI. Cases]
SUCH VISITORS? HEARING NONE. THAT TAKES US TO OUR CASES. OUR FIRST ONE IS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? GOOD EVENING. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR ONE MORE MONTH, WHICH IS AUGUST. THE AUGUST 19TH MEETING. 
          AND THE APPLICANT STATES THE PURPOSE OF THE TABLING IS TO COLLECT DATA TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND STAFF WILL TAKE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS COMMISSION OR FROM THE PUBLIC? DO I HEAR A MOTION TO TABLE? A MOTION TO TABLE APPLICATION FM ZERO EIGHT 2024. 
          AND UNTIL THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE AUGUST THE 19TH. AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO HEAR A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY. THE ROLL. MR. SHELL? YES. MR. LARSON. YES, MISS. BRIGGS? YES. MR. KIRBY. 
          YES, MR. WALLACE. YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO TABLE THE APPLICATION UNTIL THE AUGUST 19TH MEETING. THANK YOU. I SPEAKING OUT OF HAND. I WOULD LOVE THIS. THIS NEEDS TO BE THE LAST TABLING. YES, WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE WRAPPED UP NOW. DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE? FOR 52 EASTGATE STREET, COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS CERTAINLY THE CLOSE. ROLE AS WELL. IT WILL PROBABLY BE THE IF IT IS ASKED TO BE TABLED AGAIN. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HIGHLY LIKELY TO REMOVE IT FROM THE, AGENDA ALTOGETHER UNTIL YOU'VE GOT IT TOGETHER. UNDERSTOOD THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRINGS US TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 20 RECONSIDERATION. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? THE APPLICANT, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDE, WE ARE DISCUSSING THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH RIGHT HERE, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A RECONSIDERATION OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED AND DENIED ON MAY 20TH. THE FORMAL. THE FORMER FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROPOSED TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME 
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DESIGNED IN A RURAL BARN STYLE WITH A TEN CAR GARAGE, AS SEEN ON THE SITE PLAN HERE. THE HOME IS FURTHER TO THE WEST. TONIGHT THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED TO RECONSIDER THE CASE AND THE CRITERIA FOR RECONSIDERATION IS AS FOLLOWS. PER CODIFIED ORDINANCE 159 06C, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY RECONSIDER ANY ACTION IT HAS TAKEN UPON ITS OWN MOTION FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN ANY ACTION DENYING OR DISAPPROVING AN APPLICATION OTHER THAN ONE INVOLVING AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION MAY BE RECONSIDERED NO LATER THAN THE SECOND REGULAR MEETING AFTER THE ORIGINAL ACTION FROM WHICH RECONSIDERATION IS BEING REQUESTED WAS TAKEN ONLY IF THE APPLICANT OR ITS DESIGNEE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES AFFECTING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED OR NEW INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE THAT COULD NOT BE OR COULD NOT, WITH REASONABLE DILIGENCE, HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AT A PREVIOUS HEARING. SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS CHANGED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REFLECT THE COMMENTS MADE DURING THE MEETING IN MAY. THESE CHANGES INCLUDE A FULL ARCHITECTURAL REDESIGN OF THE HOME TO MATCH THE EXISTING BALTIMORE COMMUNITY, AND THE RELOCATION OF ALL GARAGE DOORS TO THE REAR AND SIDE YARD. AS SEEN HERE, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THESE GARAGE DOORS ARE FURTHER IN THE REAR. IN THE SIDE. THIS NEW SITE DESIGN HAS ELIMINATED ALL VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUIRED DURING THE PRIOR MEETING. TONIGHT'S HEARING IS TO TAKE ACTION ON THE RECONSIDERATION REQUEST ONLY. IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO APPROVE THE RECONSIDERATION. THE CITY STAFF RECOMMEND TABLING UNTIL THE NEXT SCHEDULED HEARING TO ALLOW CITY STAFF TO EVALUATE THE FINAL. THE NEW FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL AND NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS, AND AT THIS TIME, STAFF WILL TAKE QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. I'M SORRY, DID I GO AHEAD? YES. YOU'RE PROBABLY ABOUT TO ASK A QUESTION I WAS ABOUT TO ASK. SO IS A CHANGE IN THE PLANS THAT AFFECT THE ZONING? IS THAT CONST DOES THAT CONSTITUTE CIRCUMSTANCES AFFECTING THE PROPERTY THAT HAVE CHANGED? I THINK YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THAT COMMISSION MEMBER. BUT I THINK, A COMPLETE REDESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL REDESIGN COULD BE INTERPRETED AS A CIRCUMSTANCE AFFECTING THE PROPERTY WARRANTING RECONSIDERATION. I MEAN, IT DOES LEND ITSELF TO A NEW PLAN, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD FALL UNDER ONE OF THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS FOR CIRCUMSTANCES. SO I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE. AND A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, IF THE PLAN AS SHOWN WAS PRESENTED AS AN ENTIRELY NEW APPLICATION, WOULD THEY BE PERMITTED TO SUBMIT THAT BEING THAT IT IS DIFFERENT ENOUGH FROM WHAT WAS DENIED, OR WOULD THERE BE SUMMARILY DENIED AS SAYING NO, THIS WAS SHOT DOWN ON MEETING SUCH AND SUCH? NO. FULLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED, SO THE PROCESS, IF YOU APPROVED THE REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION, IT WOULD ALMOST BE A NEW HEARING ON THE NEWLY NEW RECONSIDERED APPLICATION. WHAT'S THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN TELLING THEM RESUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION AND TOLERATING A RECONSIDERATION? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT TO PRESS SOMETHING AND SAY ONE THING. IT'S JUST TIME. SO OUR CODE DOES SAY THAT THE BOARD HAS TWO MONTHS TO RECONSIDER AN APPLICATION. SO IF TWO MONTHS EXPIRE, THEN, THEN THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION, I GUESS. OTHERWISE, IT WOULD BE DETERMINATION BY THIS BOARD OR OTHER BOARDS, IF IT IS, IF IT MEETS THIS RECONSIDERATION REQUEST, IF IT, IF, IF THE OR IF THE BOARD FINDS THAT IT DOESN'T THEN IT WOULD JUST RESULT IN A NEW APPLICATION, NEW FEES AND NEW SUBMITTAL MATERIALS. THANK YOU. TO ME THIS JUST SORT OF TAKES THE LEGS OUT FROM UNDER TABLING THINGS. I MEAN THAT'S WHY YOU TABLE IT SO YOU CAN CHANGE THE EXISTING DESIGN TO SORT OF RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS OF THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION. I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY CAN JUST HAVE THEIR APPLICATION TONIGHT AND JUST COME BACK AND SAY, I WANT TO RECONSIDER THAT, CHANGE IT ALL AROUND, AND THEN RECONSIDER IT, IT SEEMS TO ME IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR LEGAL'S RESPONSE, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME. OKAY, I'M JUST ONE BOARD MEMBER. I TYPEKIT THERE'S NO ENGINEERING HERE. THERE IS NOT. THANK YOU. 
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IS THERE A PARTICULAR, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICATION, AN APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? DO YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING? TODD PARKER OF DESIGN, P.O. BOX 86, NEW ALBANY, I HAD ASKED STEVEN AND SIERRA THE VERY QUESTION TODAY ON WHAT THE DEMARCATION WAS. OR SHOULD WE SUBMIT A NEW APPLICANT, NEW APPLICATION. AND SO UPON THEIR GUIDANCE, WE CAME BACK. SO THOUGHT BEING YOU KNOW, MAYBE I MISINTERPRETED THE RULING FROM THE FIRST HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS. WE'VE ELIMINATED ALL NEEDS FOR ANY VARIANCES. WE'VE CREATED A MORE TYPICAL HOME, AS WAS EXPRESSED, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH HAWKSMOOR, ETC. ABOUT OUR FIRST DESIGN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY KEEP OUR CLIENTS HAPPY AND KEEP THIS THING MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU, MR. MEMBERS. ACTUALLY, JUST CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE FEE IF YOU WERE TO COME BACK AND RESUBMIT A NEW AS A NEW APPLICATION? THANKS. 
          PROBABLY I THINK IT WAS 660. YEAH, 60, WHICH IS NOT A PROBLE. I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE PROCESS FORWARD CONSIDERING THAT BACKWARDS AND THEN FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. JUST CURIOUS INTO THAT. WHAT'S THE TIME? SORRY WHAT'S THE TIMELINE HERE. LIKE HOW LONG IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS IF THEY. YES. SO WHAT STAFF AND, LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATION IS ALWAYS RECOMMENDED IS THAT SINCE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS HAVE A NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR OTHER BOARDS DECIDE TO REHEAR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT THEY ALLOW STAFF AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS TO DO A FULL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAFF REPORT AND ALSO DO ALL THE REQUIRED NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATIONS AND PUBLICATIONS ON THE WEBSITES. SO SINCE THIS IS A RECONSIDERATION, NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED, BUT THEY WOULD BE NOTIFIED IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO REREVIEW THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO IF THIS PLAN, IF WE IF THIS IF WE DIDN'T DO THE RECONSIDERATION, IF THEY DIDN'T DO THE RECONSIDERATION, I JUST AS THE NEW APPLICATION THAT CAME IN TOMORROW, WHAT WOULD BE THE DELTA BETWEEN THE TIME THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN HEARD UNDER THAT PROCESS VERSUS. YEAH. SO I GUESS THAT ALSO KIND OF GOES WITH MR. WALLACE SAID ABOUT TAKING THE LEGS UNDER, I DO THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE RECONSIDERATIONS AND A TABLING. SO THERE'S LESS TIME. I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A TABLING ALSO HAS A, LESS, I GUESS, IMPACT TO THE APPLICANT, NOT EVEN A COST, BUT TYPICALLY PREPARATION OF PLANS. AND WHEN YOU TABLE THEY CAN KIND OF COME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, AND SHOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARDS REALLY ANYTHING HERE FOR A RECONSIDERATION. THIS TAKES MORE TIME. AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO PROVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BOARD INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, A TABLING THE BOARD WILL LOOK AT THOSE WHATEVER THOSE CHANGES ARE AUTOMATICALLY. SO I DO THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PROBABLY THE CORE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT OTHERWISE, YEAH, IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO A TIME AND COST FUNCTION. YEAH LIKE WHAT'S THE EARLIEST OF APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED TOMORROW? WHAT'S THE EARLIEST? IT COULD BE TO US FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO I THINK WE TYPICALLY IT'S 30 DAYS, THAT OR I SHOULD SAY THE SUBMITTAL DEADLINE IS 30 DAYS AHEAD OF THE HEARING. SO IF WE'RE PAST 30 DAYS, THEN THAT WOULD BE TWO MONTHS. IF IT WAS TABLED. IT'S AUGUST. YEAH. IF IT WAS JUST A NORMAL TABLING, THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE TABLED TO WHENEVER THE BOARD SETS THAT HEARING DATE. BUT THERE IS MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TIME. THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU THAT WE WERE JUST SHOWN, DID THEY MEET THE 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE AUGUST MEETING? SUBMITTAL DATE? YES. OKAY. SO EFFECTIVELY THEY'VE SUBMITTED IN TIME FOR FORMAL REVIEW. IS THAT COMPLETE? SO YEAH. SO THERE'S AS FAR AS THE RECONSIDERATION GOES, THERE'S NO SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS PER SE. THE NOT MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS IF THIS WAS BRAND NEW AND YOU GOT IT YESTERDAY OR WHENEVER YOU GOT IT OKAY. YES. WOULD WE MAKE AUGUST. YES. OKAY. SO THEY SUBMITTED TO YOU IN TIME TO MAKE AUGUST. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER ON. YOU KNOW IF THEY'D HAVE DONE THIS IN A BRAND NEW APPLICATION THEY'D BE GOOD TO GO FOR AUGUST. GOT IT. YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE POINT. NO. AT LEAST NOT TO ME. RIGHT. OKAY. CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT HOW THE HOW THE, PROCEDURE WORKS FOR THIS RECONSIDERATION? SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE THE MOTION. YES. SO SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO BE SECOND. JUST LIKE NORMAL MOTIONS. AND THE BOARD HAS TO FIND THAT ONE OF THOSE TWO CRITERIA THAT EITHER CIRCUMSTANCES AFFECTING THE 
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SUBJECT PROPERTY, OR ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED OR THAT NEW INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE THAT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WITH REASONABLE DILIGENCE PRESENTED AT THE LAST HEARING. 
          SO IF THE BOARD FINDS THAT ONE OF THOSE TWO GOT IT, THANK YOU. AND THEN I GUESS THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE TO TABLE, IF IT'S A IF THAT RECONSIDERATION IS APPROVED. YEAH ALL RIGHT. I PERSONALLY DON'T FIND ITEM TWO OF THE TWO POSSIBLES TO BE. IT'S NOT APPLICABLE AT ALL. NOT APPLICABLE. AND SO FOR ITEM ONE THE ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION IS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YES. 
          IS THAT HOW THAT'S CONSTRUED? YES OKAY. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC OR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? FOR THE BOARD QUESTIONS. I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE RECONSIDERATION OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 20 2024. 
          DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS? MOTION CAN YOU THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. MR. LARSON. YES, MR. WALLACE. YES, MR. SHELL. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF ADMITTING THE DOCUMENTS. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE WHAT WE WERE SHOWING. TONIGHT. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE RECONSIDERATION ITSELF? I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, WHILE IT'S QUIET HERE, SINCE NO ONE HAS MOVED, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION. SO IF ANYONE'S WAITING FOR ME TO MAKE THE MOTION, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. HOW MUCH TIME DO WE WAIT TO SEE IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MOVE? I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE THE WORDING IS SO. IS IT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE APPLICATION FDP 20 2024. MAY I INTERJECT TO RECONSIDER OR TO RECONSIDER? YES. NOT TO APPROVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER APPLICATION FDP 20 2024. TO YOUR SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT. 
          DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HEAR THE ROLL, MR. LARSON? NO MISS. MR. SHELL. YES MISS. BRIGGS? YES MR. KIRBY. NO MR. WALLACE. NO THE MOTION FAILS. THERE ARE TWO VOTES IN FAVOR OF RECONSIDERATION AND THREE VOTES AGAINST. FOLLOW UP APPLICATION SHOULD SEE A MUCH BRIGHTER FUTURE THAN THE RECONSIDERATION. JUST FOR THE RECORD, IF THE. PERSON VOTED FIRST. YEAH. SO, BASICALLY, WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR TABLING IN THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S THE METHOD AND THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF HOW WE SHOULD DO IT. AND TO COME AFTER THE FACT IS BASICALLY IT SHOULD JUST BE AN APPLICATION AT THAT POINT. I CAN GO GERMAIN. YEAH I JUST SAID I CONCUR. OH NO, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. I CONCUR WITH THE SAME REASONS, BUT I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE IT MEETS THE FIRST FACTOR FOR THE, BASIS FOR RECONSIDERATION. I DON'T THINK IN THIS, THIS SITUATION, WE'VE GOT CIRCUMSTANCES AFFECTING THE PROPERTY THAT HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED. FOR THAT REASON, I VOTED NO. OKAY BRINGS US TO THE ZONING CHANGE, 1700 WALTON PARKWAY. HERE WE GO FROM STAFF. SORRY YES, THIS REQUEST IS FOR A REZONING TO REZONE 7800 WALTON PARKWAY FROM LIMITED OFFICE CAMPUS DISTRICT TO LIMITED GENERAL EMPLOYMENT TO ALLOW FOR CLEAN AND NON-HAZARDOUS MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION USES. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY. CONDIT 
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ROAD. IN 2006, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED TO ITS LIMITED OFFICE CAMPUS. DISTRICT ZONING CLASSIFICATION. THE CITY, ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, REQUESTS THIS REZONING TO ALLOW CLEAN AND NON-HAZARDOUS MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION USES FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. AS THE SITE IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION. THE CASE WAS HEARD AT THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD PANEL ON MAY 16TH, AND WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. ALL USES UNDER THE REQUESTED GENERAL EMPLOYMENT ZONING DISTRICT ARE ALREADY ALLOWED ON THE SITE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION. TO ALLOW THESE USES, THE PROPERTY MUST BE REZONED. IT APPEARS THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT MEETS THE USE RECOMMENDATIONS FOUND IN THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. THE APPLICATION IS SOLELY FOR REZONING THE SITE AND NO EXTERIOR SITE DEVELOPMENT. MODIFICATIONS WILL RESULT FROM THE PROPOSED REZONING. THE ADDITIONAL USES ON THE PROPERTY ADVANCE AND BENEFIT THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY BY ALLOWING FOR FLEXIBILITY AND DIVERSIFICATION OF BUSINESSES. LASTLY, IT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S ECONOMIC GOALS AND FISCAL STRENGTH BY OFFERING A PRE-DEVELOPED SITE FOR A COMPANY AND OCCUPY STAFF IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY ENGINEERING? ENGINEERING HAS NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, A NOTE ON MY PART. IT'S IN FRANKLIN COUNTY. YES, I SAW THAT EARLIER. I APOLOGIZE. SO CVG STAFF EXPECTS TO CONTINUE LEASING IT FOR A WHILE YET, OR ARE THEY IN THE PROCESS OF LEAVING? I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO STAY. THEY'RE JUST, LOOKING TO LEASE OUT ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS. OKAY. 
          WOULD THIS HAVE ANY IMPACT ON TRAFFIC IN THE AREA? SO TRAFFIC WILL BE EVALUATED WITH ANY OCCUPANCY PERMITS, BUT HISTORICALLY, YOU FOUND THAT CLEAN MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION TYPICALLY HAS, THE SAME OR SOMETIMES EVEN LESS TRAFFIC GENERATION THAN TRADITIONAL OFFICES, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF OFFICE USE. OKAY CBG'S, IN THE BUSINESS OF DEALING WITH SEMI TRUCK BODIES AND CABS, THERE MAY ACTUALLY BE LESS THAN MY TRUCKS FLOATING IN. 
          CBG IS WINDING DOWN. YEAH, THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEE, BUT THAT'S A UNKNOWN. IT'S LIKELY. 
          ANY MORE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS, TO THE MIC AND GIVE YOU A NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? SURE, KURT BARROWS, 5460 SNYDER LOOP, NEW ALBANY, OHIO, JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION. WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY WAS PROPOSED, IT WAS ALSO INCLUDING A WAREHOUSE, APPROVAL. THAT'S STILL INCLUDED. 
          OR IS THAT NO LONGER. NO, THAT IS NOT WHEN IT WENT TO THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD PANEL THAT WAS A, PROPOSED USE, BUT THAT HAS SINCE BEEN TAKEN OFF. EXCELLENT. THAT'S ALL WE CARED ABOUT. THANK YOU. YEAH ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR ZONING CHANGE. 28, 2024 FOR YOUR SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS, I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? GETTING THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. LARSON? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE ITSELF? I'LL MOVE, FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. ZC-28-2024. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE QUESTION? OKAY AND DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR. SHELL? YES. MR. LAWSON. 
          YES. MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK. TAKES US TO ZONING CHANGE. 48. 
          THIS AGAIN? NO. THIS IS. YEAH. THIS IS AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? SURE. THANK YOU, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT TO. CAN I PRESENT OFF THE SCREEN? YOU GUYS GOT TO SEE OR SHOULD I STAND UP AND SEE THIS ONE? OKAY, SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION FOR JUST OVER 100 ACRES, LOCATED AT THE SITE THAT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO IN THE COMMUNITY AS THE GANTON PROPERTY OR THE GANTON SITE. THIS IS LOCATED AT 108 ACRES, IS LOCATED IN THE AREA SHOWN IN 
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RED. SO JUST TO HELP ORIENT SOME FOLKS, MY CLICKER WILL WORK HERE. SO THIS RIGHT HERE 62. 
          THIS IS THE DUKE AND DUCHESS GAS STATION, AND THIS IS THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND YOUR POINTER IS TOTALLY INVISIBLE FROM HERE. LET ME FIND A NEW ONE. OH, IT DEPENDS ON ANGLE. I CAN'T SEE IT EITHER. NOT A PROBLEM, IS IT? NOT A NEW COUPLE RIGHT HERE. IF YOU WANT ONE. ALL RIGHT, LET'S. YEAH. THE GREEN ONES WORK. THE GREEN ONES. I NEVER USE THOSE. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. GESTURE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO, YEAH, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION JUST FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME, SO THIS REALLY IT IS A ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION, BUT THIS IS REALLY AS YOU'LL SEE, MORE OF A REFINEMENT OF THE EXISTING ZONING STANDARDS. SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE 1998 NACO KPD, ZONING DISTRICT. SO IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, 294 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE PERMITTED TO BE DEVELOPED AGAIN AS AN EXISTING ENTITLEMENT. THERE'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          IT'S, REALLY JUST LIMITED TO THE AREA THAT'S KIND OF ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AS A DUKE AND DUCHESS AND SOME GROUND BEHIND THAT AND THEN SOME COMMUNITY FACILITIES. USES ARE ALSO PERMITTED TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE TODAY UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING. SO SOME OF THOSE USES COULD INCLUDE HOSPITALS, GOVERNMENT FACILITIES AND EDUCATION FACILITIES. BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I DO WANT TO MENTION, SINCE THIS THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE ARB DID HAVE TO, REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY REVIEWED THE APPLICATION LAST WEEK, LAST MONDAY AND DID, UNANIMOUSLY MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN YOU GUYS, AS YOU KNOW, KIND OF PICK UP, PICK UP WHERE THEY LEFT OFF AND REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. SO AGAIN, THIS APPLICATION REALLY IS MORE OF A REFINEMENT OF MORE OR LESS OF THE EXISTING STANDARDS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REZONE THE PROPERTY, TO SPLIT IT UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT SUB AREAS SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN. I'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE ONE BY ONE. SO SUB AREA ONE HOSPITALS, SURGERY CENTERS, OFFICE USES SURGERY CENTERS AND YOU KNOW OTHER USES THAT ARE CONSIDERED ACCESSORY WITHIN A HOSPITAL USE. ITTED WITHIN SUB . AGAIN CF USES OR SIMILAR USES ARE ALREADY PERMITTED TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE TODAY. AND SUB AREA OOPS. APOLOGIES. SUB AREA TWO AND THE ORANGE HERE ON THE SCREEN. SO THIS IS A NEW USE COMPARED TO WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE TODAY. SO OFFICE USES ARE ALLOWED TO BE DEVELOPED IN SUB AREA TWO. AND THEN IN FEBRUARY OF THREE 294 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE ALLOWED TO BE DEVELOPED, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE URBAN CENTER CODE. AGAIN, THAT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS THAT'S PERMITTED TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE. BUT IT'S A NEW STANDARD, TO ADHERE TO OUR URBAN CENTER CODE DOCUMENT. I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T INTERACT WITH THAT A LOT. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH, WHAT? SOME OF THOSE PERMITTED USES ARE HERE IN A SECOND. AND BUILDING TYPOLOGIES, TO HELP MAKE SOME SENSE OF THAT. ONE OTHER THING, AND I'LL LET TOM AND AARON SPEAK TO, AFTER I'M DONE THE PRESENTATION, SPEAK MORE ABOUT GANT AND PARKWAY. BUT, THIS ZONING DISTRICT DOES CONTEMPLATE THE EXTENSION OF GANT AND PARKWAY. SO, AS YOU PROBABLY ALL ARE WELL AWARE, THIESSEN ROAD. DECENT STREET. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S A STREET OR DRIVE. APOLOGIES, BUT THAT ROAD CURRENTLY STUBS BACK BEHIND THE OR IN BETWEEN. THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE DUKE AND DUCHESS GAS STATION. SO FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, OUR STRATEGIC PLAN HAS CALLED FOR AN EXTENSION OF THIS ROAD, TO PROVIDE FURTHER CONNECTIVITY, CONNECTIVITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO IN THE BUSINESS PARK TO HELP RELIEVE SOME CONGESTION AT THE 62 INTERCHANGE, AND AGAIN, JUST PROVIDE SOME MORE CONNECTIVITY IN THIS AREA. SO THE, THE, THE TEXT GENERALLY CONTEMPLATES AN ALIGNMENT OF THE STREET, CITY STAFF IS WORKING NOW TO FINALIZE THESE THESE ROAD DESIGNS, YOU KNOW, THAT FINAL PLAT APPLICATIONS WILL COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONCE THAT ALIGNMENT IS SOLIDIFIED, BUT THAT IS GENERALLY SHOWN, AS KIND OF BISECTING ALL OF THESE SUB AREAS HERE GOING THROUGH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN CONNECTING INTO THE KITZMILLER AND DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD INTERSECTION. OBVIOUSLY, THAT THAT INTERSECTION OUGHT TO BE REDESIGNED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF WORKING WITH, WORKING THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT, NOW. SO I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE. YOU KNOW, SUDBURY, SUDBURY IS ONE AND TWO ARE A LITTLE STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT SUDBURY THREE IS SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY UNIQUE THAT YOU 
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GUYS AREN'T REALLY USED TO SEEING. SO I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE AND WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE. SO AS I MENTIONED, THE TEXT STATES THAT, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MUST ADHERE TO THE URBAN CENTER CODE, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF DIFFERENT, SUB AREAS OR SUB DISTRICTS THAT ARE UNDER URBAN CENTER CODE REFERENCED IN THE TEXT. BUT OUR GOAL HERE IS TO KIND OF SIMPLIFY THOSE HERE FOR YOU IN THIS PRESENTATION TO HELP MAKE SOME SENSE OF IT. SO ALL OF THE USES AGAIN IN SUB AREA THREE, SUBAREA THREE WOULD ALLOW ALL THE USES ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THESE INCLUDE THINGS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS, A DAYCARE CENTER, GOVERNMENT FACILITIES, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, AND THEN THE PERMITTED BUILDING TYPOLOGY. SO WHAT THESE WHAT TYPES OF BUILDINGS CAN THESE, USES BE LOCATED IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE IS A FORM BASED, A PSEUDO FORM BASED CODE THAT REALLY REGULATES PREDOMINANTLY REGULATES. IT DOES REGULATE USE, BUT PREDOMINANTLY REGULATES, THE BUILDING FORM AND BUILDING ARCHITECTURE, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT ARE PERMITTED ARE LISTED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN HERE, AND I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF THOSE. SO IF YOU CAN SEE THI, YES, YOU CAN SEE IT. OKAY, SO THESE ARE THE I'LL JUST WALK YOU THROUGH THE LIST HERE. SO COTTAGE BUILDINGS THIS IS PULLED EXACTLY FROM OUR URBAN CENTER CODE. THESE ARE THIS IS A PRIMITIVE BUILDING TYPOLOGY. OUR URBAN CENTER CODE HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR, LOT WIDTH, HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS CAN BE, HOW CLOSE TO THE STREET DO THEY NEED TO BE? ETC, THAT'S ALL PROVIDED IN OUR URBAN CENTER CODE. AND THIS ZONING TEXT REFERS BACK TO IT. I'LL JUST FLY THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE HERE. SO THIS IS A COTTAGE BUILDING. AND AGAIN THIS IS ALL IN OUR URBAN CENTER CODE. THIS IS A BUNGALOW STYLE BUILDING. ARE THOSE DETACHED? IT IS A DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNIT, BUT IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, FORM. OKAY, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE, A TRADITIONAL HOUSE. I SAY TRADITIONAL IN THE SENSE OF A TRADITIONAL VILLAGE CENTER HOUSE. THIS THESE THESE LOTS AREN'T BIG ENOUGH TO DEVELOP, MORE TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, SUBURBAN, YOU KNOW, LARGE, LOTS LARGE HOUSES, ON THEM, THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT DENSE, MORE COMPACT, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ATTACHED. HOUSE IS ANOTHER PERMITTED BUILDING TYPOLOGY IS SOME BENCHMARK EXAMPLES. AGAIN ALL FROM OUR URBAN CENTER PLAN URBAN CENTER CODE RATHER TWO FAMILY BUILDINGS. THIS IS, AN EXAMPLE OF THIS COULD BE LIKE IN THE WINDSOR SUBDIVISION. THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A OF A TWO FAMILY BUILDING TOWNHOMES. WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH KESWICK RICHMOND SQUARE TYPE, TYPE TOWNHOME, MULTI UNIT HOUSES ARE PERMITTED TO BE DEVELOPED, IN THE SUB AREA. AND THEN THE CAMPUS BUILDING TYPOLOGY AGAIN FROM OUR URBAN CENTER CODE. THE BENCHMARK EXAMPLES YOU KNOW LOOK OBVIOUSLY PULL FROM THE SCHOOL CAMPUS. BUT THIS WOULD PROVIDE REGULATIONS FOR ANY YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE GOVERNMENT FACILITIES OR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY. THIS WOULD PROVIDE REGULATIONS FOR THOSE. SO YEAH I WAS GOING TO GET THERE. APOLOGIES SO ON OUR IN BETWEEN THE A OR B PEERING AND THEN WHERE WE'RE AT TONIGHT WE REALIZED THAT THE USES OF GOVERNMENT FACILITIES AND POST OFFICES WERE PERMITTED IN THE ZONING TEXT. BUT THERE WASN'T AN ASSOCIATED BUILDING TYPOLOGY FOR THOSE. SO IN BETWEEN THE IRB HEARING AND PLANNING COMMISSION, WE ADDED THIS BUILDING TYPOLOGY. I APOLOGIZE IT DIDN'T MENTION THAT, TO YOU BEFORE NOW, BUT THIS IS A THIS IS NOW THE USE HAS ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED, THIS BUILDING TYPOLOGY WOULD ALLOW, YOU KNOW, CAMPUS STYLE OR GOVERNMENT STYLE BUILDINGS TO BE, DEVELOPED ON THE SITE, GOING BACKWARDS. I ONE THING I KNOW, TOM AND AARON WILL TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION IT. YOU PROBABLY NOTICED IT IN, CERTAINLY IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT IN THE ZONING TEXT AS WELL, THE APPLICANT ADHERES TO, TO MEETING ALL OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE, PARKING AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH I THINK ALL OF YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH AND DID THAT, CODE UPDATE. SO THEY DO COMMIT TO MEETING, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT ACREAGE, BUT, 40 SOMETHING I CAN LOOK IT UP. IT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING AND OPEN SPACE, AT, YOU KNOW, AS DRAWN IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE, THEY COMMIT TO MEETING THAT ACREAGE AMOUNT, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHICH IS A BIG POSITIVE, IF YOU NOTICED, IN THE, STUDENT IMPACT STATEMENT, BUT ALSO IN THE ZONING TEXT, THEY ALSO ARE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO DONATE A PRETTY SIZABLE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE TO THEM, FOR RECREATIONAL FACILITY USE. AS I'LL LET TOM AND AARON TALK ABOUT THAT HERE MORE IN A SECOND, BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THOSE NOTES FOR YOU, LET'S SEE IF MY LAST SLIDE MADE IT IN HERE. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT DID. APOLOGIES ABOUT THAT. BUT, IF AND I CAN TRY TO PULL UP AN IMAGE HERE WHILE TOM AND AARON ARE TALKING. BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR URBAN CENTER PLAN OR OUR URBAN CENTER CODE AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN HAVE BOTH HAVE LONG 
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IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, GANTON PARKWAY AS BEING, PROVIDING, LIKE, A REALLY HIGH, HIGH QUALITY, COMPELLING OFFICE, STYLE DEVELOPMENT ALONG 161 WHICH THE ZONING DISTRICT ACHIEVES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE VILLAGE CENTER AND SUBAREA THREE, WE'VE ALWAYS FORESEEN THIS BEING MORE, YOU KNOW, VILLAGE CENTER ESQUE TYPE, DEVELOPMENT AND EXTENSION OF THE, OF THE VILLAGE CENTER IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING A REALLY COMPACT FORM OF DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S LONG BEEN ENVISIONED IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND THIS ZONING APPLICATION, IS MEETING ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS GANTON SITE, AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. AND I KNOW TOM AND AARON ARE HERE, AS WELL. OKAY ANY ENGINEERING? ENGINEERING HAS NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU FROM THE APPLICANT. ANYONE? AARON UNDERHILL, UNDERHILL AND HODGE, TURNING FOR THE APPLICANT. 8000 WALTON PARKWAY HERE IN NEW ALBANY, EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORTH. I THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES, A NUMBER OF, LONG RANGE GOALS OF THE CITY, I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH A FEW OF THOSE AND THEN LET TOM SPEAK TO MORE PARTICULARS ABOUT THE SITE, THIS IS A CPWD OR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IN RECENT YEARS WE HAVEN'T SEEN MANY OF THOSE, BUT THEY'RE. THE CRITERIA IS THAT YOU HAVE MORE THAN 100 ACRES IN THE PUD, THAT IT'S A PUD, AND THERE'S AN EXTRA STEP INVOLVED, AND THAT'S THE STAGE WE'RE AT NOW, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE SORT OF SETTING THE RULES THROUGH THE TEXT, ETC, AND SHOWING YOU BUBBLE PLANS, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, THE ARB HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND APPROVED IT AND YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT AND THEN WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL. THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH AND AN IPOD, WHICH IS LESS THAN 100 ACRES. WE WOULD TYPICALLY BRING ALONG WITH THAT THAT ZONING APPLICATION. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT HERE, AND THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT GOES TO THE ARB AND TO THIS BODY AND THE COUNCIL AS WELL, PRELIMINARY, NO, JUST JUST HERE. OKAY. SO WE'LL STOP HERE AND THEN WE'LL GO WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL, WHICH IS THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF DETAIL. SO YOU'LL GET THREE BITES OF THE APPLE ON THIS ONE, AND THEN AND ON TOP OF THAT, THE PLANNING OF GANTON IS OBVIOUSLY A CODIFIED PROCESS THAT COMES HERE AS WELL. AND, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT ROAD, OBVIOUSLY. AND YOU KNOW, EXPECT TO HOPEFULLY, WE'RE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY AND, THAT WILL BE, THROUGH HERE, BY THE TIME WE GET TO OUR FIRST FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT IN THE TEXT THAT, WE WON'T BRING OUR FIRST FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THROUGH UNTIL THAT'S ALL SETTLED, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON, SOME AREA LINES. FOR INSTANCE, IN OUR TEXT, WE'VE SAID THAT THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER, DIRECTIONAL, REFERENCE, THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES OF SUBAREA ONE AND TWO ARE GOING TO BE DEFINED BY, ULTIMATELY, THE CENTER LINE OF THAT PUBLIC STREET. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT, DETAILED BEFORE WE CAN GET FINAL PLANS APPROVED, WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH A NUMBER OF THINGS WITH THIS APPLICATION, NUMBER ONE IS TO MODERNIZE THE STANDARDS, AND THE TEXT AND TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL THAN WE DID BACK IN THE LATE 90S. SO WE'RE HERE 26 YEARS LATER AND LEARNED A LOT, WE'VE WE DO HAVE SOME INTEREST FROM A USER I THINK EVERYBODY WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT, BUT WE CANNOT DISCLOSE YET. BUT WE HOPE AS WE MOVE THROUGH HERE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO FINALIZE THAT. AND, AND, BE, MORE UP FRONT ABOUT WHAT THAT WILL BE. BUT WE ENVISIONED MEDICAL USES AND SUBAREA ONE AND THEN, THE OFFICE USE THAT WAS THE OTHER THING WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT'S REALLY NOT MENTIONED AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE EXISTING ZONING TODAY, I GUESS IF YOU WERE GOING TO DEVELOP A MEDICAL FACILITY, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'D HAVE TO ARGUE THAT WAS SOMETHING ACCESSORY TO IT. IF YOU WANTED TO GET MEDICAL OFFICE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE CALLING THAT OUT IN SUBAREA TWO BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT ONE AND 2ND MAY BE DEVELOPED COMPREHENSIVELY WITH THAT OFFICE USE, SITTING OVER THERE ON TO AS FAR AS, SUBAREA THREE IS CONCERNED, THIS IS REALLY, INTERESTING. I REMEMBER TEN YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS NOW WHEN THE URBAN CENTER CODE WAS BEING DRAFTED AND HAS BEEN USED TO ADMINISTER ZONING AND THE VILLAGE CENTER SINCE THEN, WE WERE WELL AWARE THAT WE HAD PARCELS LIKE THIS, THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY DID UNDER THE 98 PUD, AND IT WOULD BASICALLY BRING US SOME CHOICES IN THE FUTURE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH THAT ZONING. AND SO, THAT CODE BASICALLY ALLOWS A CHOICE TO AN APPLICANT WHO HAS A PUD ZONING TO EITHER PROCEED UNDER THAT EXISTING PUD OR MAKE A COMMITMENT TO THE URBAN CENTER CODE, AND THEN KIND OF PICK YOUR PATH LATER ON, AS, AS DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, SO TODAY, AS WE SIT HERE UNDER 
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THE 98 PUD, THERE'S A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 80FT, REQUIRED FOR, THE, HOMES TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE LOT. AND SO THAT OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO BRING WITH IT, HIGHER, OR LARGER HOMES AND, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BE ATTRACTIVE TO FAMILIES, ETC, NOT TO SAY THAT WE WON'T DEVELOP, HOMES HERE ON THIS SITE THAT THAT COULD BE ATTRACTIVE, TO THAT DEMOGRAPHIC. BUT, THE URBAN CENTER CODE IS MORE COMPACT AND DENSE, INTENDED TO SUPPORT THE VILLAGE CENTER ITSELF AND THE RESTAURANTS AND THE CIVIC USES IN, IN THE CENTER OF TOWN, SO WE'RE MAKING THAT COMMITMENT IN THIS ZONING AND, AS, AS CHRIS ALLUDED TO, THE FORM BASED CODE HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR SIZES OF LOTS, EVEN MAXIMUM SIZES, SMALLER SETBACKS, ETC. WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE WE'VE PLANNED THIS AT ALL. BUT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT GIVEN THAT THIS ISN'T THE VILLAGE CENTER AREA, TO MAKE THOSE COMMITMENTS AND TAKE THE OLD ZONING KIND OF, OUT OF, OUT OF PLAY. AND THE MORE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT, GIVEN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING HERE, THAT THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT COVERS WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. I'M GONNA HAVE TOM FROM UP HERE AND TALK SOME MORE SPECIFICS. A DECENT AMOUNT OF WORK HAS HAPPENED SINCE I WAS BEFORE YOU, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN THE PAPER AND SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHO WE'VE BEEN WORKING INCREDIBLY CLOSELY WITH OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS AS THEY'VE BEEN DOING THEIR PROJECTIONS AND EXPANSION PLANS AND NEEDS AND, AND, THE GROWTH THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE HAVE FORMALLY REQUESTED A DEDICATION OF 15 ACRES OF PARK LAND, THAT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE LOCATED WITHIN THIS AREA, SO THAT REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE. WE ARE, DOING EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO RESPOND. AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THAT WILL BE WE CERTAINLY HOPE, A POSITIVE RESPONSE, THE ONE THING I DID WANT TO CLARIFY, CHRIS, AS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY AND IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, THE IMAGES YOU HAD UP ON THE SCREEN FOR, CIVIC USES AND OR RECREATIONAL USES WERE THE HIGH SCHOOL LIBRARY, THE CHURCH OF THE RESURRECTION? I THINK THE POST OFFICE MAY HAVE BEEN IN THERE. I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WILL ALSO ACCOMMODATE ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT MAY BE BUILT IN ORDER TO MEET THE NEEDS OF RECREATIONAL USES. SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT NOW. BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION A, AS AS WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THE REQUEST OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT I KNOW THEY HAVE EXPRESSED AS SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT TO THEM. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO, RAISE AARON TALKED ABOUT THE EARLIER RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT WAS FROM THE 98 PUD AND THE LOT WIDTH AND THE LIKE, THE SCHOOLS HAVE MADE IT AT THAT POINT THAT ZONING WAS SIMILAR TO THE WINDSOR SUBDIVISION, AS WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEIR PROJECTIONS AND THEIR NEEDS, THEY HAVE MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE A WINDSOR TYPE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PARCEL. AND WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. SO, A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT CERTAINLY MEETS THE URBAN CENTER CODE BUILDING FORM REGULATIONS, THAT IS, NOT YOUR TYPICAL 2.3 CHILDREN GENERATING UNIT IS WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR. AS AARON MENTIONED, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S BEEN PLANNED TO DATE. WE ARE JUST NOW HEARING WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR AND TRYING TO RESPOND TO THOSE REQUESTS, THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE TABLE, I KNOW WE SPOKE, NEIL BRIEFLY ABOUT HISTORICALLY, THAT THE EASEMENT THAT WAS PLACED ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF, OF THIS SUB AREA, THAT'S THE HEADWATERS OF THE ROSE RUN CREEK. WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EPA AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AS THIS PROJECT IS STARTING TO COME TO FRUITION, NOT ONLY THE ALIGNMENT OF GANTON PARKWAY, BUT SOME OF THOSE USERS THAT WERE WORKING FOR SPECIFICALLY IN SUBAREA ONE. AND THIS IS PROBABLY A REQUEST FOR STAFF AND SOMETHING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE BOARD IS AWARE OF AS WELL AS WE WORK THROUGH THOSE, ENVIRONMENT, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING PROCESS, WE MAY NEED TO ADJUST THE LINE BETWEEN AREA ONE AND 
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SUBAREA TWO, MAKING SUBAREA ONE SLIGHTLY LARGER AND SUBAREA TWO SLIGHTLY SMALLER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT, OR HOW RECEPTIVE THOSE TWO GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES WILL BE TO AMENDING THAT, THOSE REGULATIONS CURRENTLY WITHIN SUBAREA ONE, THAT EASEMENT IS A LITTLE OVER THREE ACRES. I WANT TO SAY 3.2 ACRES, AND IT EXTENDS ALONG THIS SIDE. THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE DIAGONAL SECTION, AND THEN IT CUTS UP IN THE CORNER THROUGH HERE. SO IT'S ROUGHLY THREE ACRES IN THAT NORTH AND WEST CORNER OF SUBAREA ONE, AS WE WORK THROUGH, AS WE WORK THROUGH SITE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND GETTING ALL THOSE PLAYERS INVOLVED, THE USER THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN SUBAREA 1ST MAY GROW, SO I HOPE TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT WITHIN BEFORE THIS HAS ANY KIND OF FINAL, REQUEST BY CITY COUNCIL, BUT A MOVING PIECE IN, IN ALL OF THIS. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS WITH WHICH, CHRIS ALREADY TALKED A BIT ABOUT IS THE ALIGNMENT OF GANTON PARKWAY THAT ROAD WILL BE PLATTED. IT WILL COME BEFORE YO. THE CITY IS TAKING THE LEAD IN IN THAT THE ZONING TEXT COMMITS TO 100FT OF PUBLICLY DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY, WE MAY END UP NEEDING TO ADD ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS BEYOND THAT, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THAT THAT IS, WE'RE FOLLOWING THEIR LEAD, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AS IT RELATES TO CREATING A FIVE POINT INTERSECTION, THERE IS A STUDY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT RECOMMENDS KITZMILLER ROAD BENDING TO THE WEST, TURNING LIKE THIS, DOUBLING A CONNECTOR ROAD FROM DUBLIN-GRANVILLE UP TO GANTON PARKWAY WOULD THEN BE MADE TO ACCOMMODATE, NOT TO CUT OFF THE NORTH SOUTH TRAFFIC, WITHIN THAT AREA. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING CITY ENGINEERS ARE TRYING TO SOLVE. THAT RIDDLE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY, BUT THAT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD AS WELL WHEN THAT'S FINALLY BAKED, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO ADD, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IT'S PROBABLY WAY TOO LATE, BUT SO IN THE PRESENTATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTIVITY TO THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND WE PUT THE RESIDENTIAL CLOSE TO THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND THE MUCH OLDER ALIGNMENT OF WHAT WAS THEN GANTON, WHERE IT CONNECTS TO MARKET, WOULD TAKE TRAFFIC TO MARKET SQUARE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TWO DEFINITIONS OF DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S EITHER MARKET SQUARE OR EAGLES PIZZA, DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ARE WE THINKING AT ALL OR IS JUST THROW IT ON TO 62 AND HAVE IT WELL COME DOWN THIRD STREET? YOU'RE RAISING A POINT THAT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? AGAIN THAT 108 ACRES IS DESIGNATED AS PART OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT NEEDS TO BE TREATED LIKE IT'S PART OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO HOW WE GET THE FOLKS LIVING HERE AND WORKING HERE TO THE VILLAGE CENTER IS, IS A BIG QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS I'M GOING TO SAY TRUMPING THAT IS PROPER TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND OR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL TELL YOU WHAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU ARE EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY DISPERSING THE TRAFFIC EAST WEST, MIMICKING WHAT HAPPENS ON SMITH'S MILL AND WALTON PARKWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 62 INTERCHANGE AND THE BEECH ROAD INTERCHANGE IS WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT. I GET THE NEED WE'VE GOT HERE FOR EAST WEST. YEAH YEAH, THE SOUTH ONE IS THE ONE. THE SOUTH ONE IS, IS THE QUESTION IN HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DO THAT? I THINK WE DO THAT NEI, NOT ONLY THROUGH THE ROADWAY ALIGNMENT BUT ALSO THROUGH THE CONNECTION OF PARKS AND TRAILS. AS WE TALK ABOUT WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 36 ACRES, 38 ACRES. IT WILL NEED TO BE DEDICATED AS PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, CONSISTENT WITH THE URBAN CENTER CODE. HOW THAT IS, DESIGNED, DEVELOPED AND SHAPED TO CONNECT TO THE NETWORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT, I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR NOT, BUT, THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS BEEN PORTRAYED. AND BEING ANALYZED TO DATE BEFORE IT COMES BACK BEFORE THE BOARD, IS ONE OF THE POINTS OF HAVING GANTON GO THAT FAR EAST WHEN YOU'RE GOING 
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SOUTH ON IT, SO THAT IT MAKES DUBLIN-GRANVILLE LESS ATTRACTIVE, AND 62 MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET. YES MARKETS. YES. YEAH. YES AND AGAIN, THE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS WILL BE ALONG GANTON PARKWAY NOT ONLY ON THIS PIECE, BUT ALSO FURTHER TO THE EAST IN THE AREA THAT IS WILMINGTON AND BABBITT ROAD. AND AMGEN. RIGHT? YEAH, THAT THAT CONNECTION AND THAT PIECE IS MORE IN FLUX RIGHT NOW. THAN ANYTHING. BUT I KNOW THE CITY HAS HIRED CARPENTER AND MARTY TO LOOK AT VARIOUS ALIGNMENTS FOR CONNECTING THOSE TWO PIECES. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE ANSWER IS YES, DUBLIN-GRANVILLE, LIKE CENTRAL COLLEGE IS ONE OF OUR FEW REMAINING RURAL ROADS. AND THE FREEWAY ACTUALLY HAS SAVED DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. AND WE HAVE A ZILLION BICYCLES ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE AND IF WE DUMP A NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE, IT'S A LOT LESS BICYCLE SAFE FOR THE ON THE ROAD BICYCLISTS. THE IDEA IS THAT THAT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD FRONT AND FRONT GANTON PARKWAY, NOT DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. I KNOW, I KNOW, JOE STEFANO SAID ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS. AND MAYBE, STEVEN, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS. THE IDEA OF, OF, THE VELO LOOP AND HOW THAT CONNECTS TO THIS. 
          OR IS, IS EXPANDED BY THIS KIND OF CRITICAL MISSING TOOTH IS SOMETHING THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER THAT'S ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD OR CANTON PARKWAY OR I KNOW A BIG SECTION OF IT GOES ALONG 62. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN FULLY BAKED YET OR NOT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT THEY'RE, ANALYZING BACK. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. THE SETBACK ALONG DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD WILL IN ALL LIKELIHOOD BE 300FT, MAYBE AS MUCH AS 400FT. OH, OKAY. YOU STOP ME THERE, YOU. THAT'S ON MY LIST. SO THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T REMEMBER OR WEREN'T AROUND WHEN IT HAPPENED, WHEN THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD WAS CREATED, THE COUNTRY ROADS WANTED A 200, 250 FOOT SETBACK, WHEN THIS WAS ZONED, IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN TO 185, 185, YOU'RE MENTIONING THE MUCH BIGGER SETBACK EVEN ARE SOME HISTORICAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT NOT A PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING ELIMINATING THEM. NO, NO NO NO, THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN. ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD SO MY SO B IS THE PROPOSAL IS 140FT. IT'S IN THE ZONING TEXT RIGHT NOW OKAY. CORRECT IT I YOU SHOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN WE HAVE A PLAN FOR YOU TO RESPOND TO, TO REACT TO I SUSPECT THAT NUMBER WILL GROW. OKAY, CAN WE MODIFY THE ZONING TEXT SO THAT WE START AT 185 ON THE EASTERN END AND NARROW IT DOWN LINEARLY, SAY TO 140? YOU ASKED FOR BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE WEST END OF DUBLIN-GRANVILL, SAY THAT AGAIN. START IT STARTED AT THE 185 THAT BY RIGHT ZONING YOU ALREADY ARE STUCK WITH, OKAY. YOU WANT 140. SO LET'S PEG IT AT 140 ON THE WEST END. I'M FINE WITH THAT. AND THEN GROW IT SO THAT WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE COUNTRY. THAT FORCES IT TO HAVE A WIDER AND WIDER SETBACK AS WE GO. I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY THERE WILL BE GRADING, LANDSCAPING, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THAT THE CITY HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LEISURE TRAIL. WHAT WHAT THAT SECTION ULTIMATELY LOOKS LIKE IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THOSE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WORK FOR ME. IF THEY WORK FOR THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. CAN WE BAND UP WAITING? CAN WE DO WHAT? CAN WE BAN UP LIGHTING. I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE USES IN SUBAREA ONE, HAPPY TO DO THAT IN SUBAREA TWO AND SUBAREA THREE. 
          SUBAREA ONE. THERE'S, WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME PRETTY SENSITIVE USERS, AND I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SPEAKING FOR THEM. BUT DISCOURAGED IN SUBAREA ONE. 
          SURE REGARDING LIGHTING, SUBAREA ONE IS ACROSS GANTON FROM RESIDENTIAL AND LIGHTING IN MEDICAL FACILITIES, AND THEIR PARKING LOTS IS A NON, SENSITIVITY, CAN WE MAKE SURE 
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THAT THE BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE ROAD AND NOT THE PARKING LOTS ON THE BUILDINGS, IF WE, IF YOU TAKE SUBAREA ONE AND YOU MAKE YOUR CAMPUS SORT OF A COURTYARD. YES. THEN IT FACES THE FREEWAY. SO THEY HAVE FREEWAY PRESENCE, WHICH I'M SURE THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, BIG SIGN ON FREEWAY AND ALSO WOULD HAVE A BUILDING PRESENCE ON, CAMPING. YES SO THAT THEIR PARKING LOT IS BETWEEN THOSE TWO. AND THEN THE LIGHTING OF THE PARKING LOT GETS SHIELDED BY THE BUILDING AND IT DOESN'T CROSS THE STREET INTO RESIDENTIAL. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT. I, I CAN'T MAKE THOSE COMMITMENTS IN A ZONING TEXT TODAY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I I AM HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WITH THE NEXT LEVEL OF DETAILS THAT WILL BE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO REACT TO IN RESPOND TO LIGHTING IS ONE I UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO YOU. I THINK THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT, ARE EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT, THAT NEED TO BE EVALUATED IN THE CONTEXT OF A REAL PLAN. YEAH. I CAN'T, I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT. SO IT'S ALL VERY ONE LIGHTING SENSITIVE TO RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREE. 
          YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OTHER FOLKS, WHILE I'M LOOKING THROUGH MY NOTES, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUICK QUESTION, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS FOR THE DEDICATED PARK PLAN. YEAH, I THINK THAT SOLVES A HUGE ISSUE THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE FACING. SO THANK YOU, SECONDLY, AND TOM, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT HAVING TYPICAL, HOMES THAT HAVE 2.3 CHILDREN. YEAH. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT AGE RESTRICTED? NO. AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DON'T WE KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOL NEEDS. WE KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOL WANTS. AGE RESTRICTION IS REALLY A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD, YOU KNOW, AND FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES IN TOWN THAT ARE LOVELY. THEY'RE FANTASTIC, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE SCHOOLS AND WHAT THE SCHOOL ULTIMATELY WANTS, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO TARGET THAT BY SITE DESIGN AND UNIT TYPE, RATHER THAN A DEED RESTRICTION THAT IMPACTS NOT ONLY VALUES OF PROPERTIES, BUT, BUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT WITHOUT BEING OFFENSIVE. NO, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND NOW WHEN YOU SAY WHAT THE SCHOOL ONES CAN YOU DEFINE? THE SCHOOL HAS, IDENTIFIED AND PROJECTED THE IMPACT OF SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN IN VARIOUS DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE. 
          AND THE FORMULA THAT THEY HAVE ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE IS NOT 80 FOOT WIDE. 
          LOTS LIKE WINDSOR. IT'S SOMETHING MORE LIKE THE TOWNHOMES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AT RICHMOND SQUARE. EVEN THE APARTMENTS, AT MARKET IN MAINE AND KESWICK, THAT GENERATE A VERY LOW NUMBER OF SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN. OKAY. AND THAT'S THEIR TARGET. GOTCHA. APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO IT REALLY UPSCALE COTTAGE MIGHT BE VERY EMPTY NESTER FRIENDLY, AND THEY MIGHT PRICE OUT A STRUGGLING FAMILY. THIS IS WE GET ALL THESE SCHOOLS IN THIS TEENY TINY HOUSE. NO, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. YEAH CAN YOU CLARIFY? I KNOW THAT THE, STUDY THAT THE SCHOOL WORKED ON WITH YOU AND THE CITY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT INCLUDED THE 294 UNITS AND ITS PROJECTIONS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? THAT THE LOAD FACTOR FOR THOSE STUDENTS WAS NOT THOSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT WAS SOMETHING ELSE? THE EXISTING ZONING? YEAH, WAS A LOAD FACTOR COMPARABLE TO WINDSOR. OKAY. WHEN WE STARTED THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, THEY SAID, HEY, NICO, THIS THIS IS PROBLEMATIC FOR US, RIGHT? KNOWING ALL OF THESE PIECES THAT ARE STILL TO BE DEVELOPED, IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING TO SHRINK THAT DOWN, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. WE SAID WE WILL DO THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE PLANS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE WHATEVER THE MODELS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, WERE THIS ASSUMPTION WAS ALREADY BAKED IN AT THE SINGLE FAMILY. SO THE PLAN THAT WILL HOPEFULLY COME BACK TO US WILL BE EVEN BETTER FOR THE SCHOOLS THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON PERMITTED. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE 294. AND. 294 WAS THAT BASE. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THAT. I WASN'T HERE, RIGHT. WAS THAT BASED ON THE WHOLE 108 ACRES OR WAS IT. YES. BECAUSE THAT'S A 2.7 TO 1 DENSITY, RIGHT? YEAH DOES THAT WAS IT TIED TO ACREAGE OR WAS IT TIED TO DENSITY OR I DON'T I 
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JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY. I THINK BACK AT THE TIME IT WAS MORE OF A WE MASTERPLANNED A THOUSAND ACRES, A THOUSAND ACRES. AND IT WAS TO GET IT WAS PART OF A WAY OF GETTING TO AN OVERALL NUMBER OF LOADS OF 1.17. YEAH. FOR ACROSS THE ENTIRE ACREAGE IN THE KPD AT THE TIME, SO I THINK THAT'S HOW THAT WAS. I DON'T KNOW, WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME. I WAS, I WAS A COLLEGE, I WASN'T THERE, I DON'T KNOW. IN ANY EVENT, I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE DONE HERE IN TERMS OF PROTECTING, YOU KNOW, DENSITIES IS THE URBAN CENTER CODE DOESN'T HAVE ANY DENSITY NUMBERS IN IT. IT'S A FORM BASED CODE. RIGHT. SO WHO KNOWS WHAT IT COULD, COULD YIELD. SO WE WE'VE CARRIED THAT OVER ON PURPOSE WHILE WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING THE PRODUCT TYPE. WE'RE ALSO KEEPING THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF UNITS, WHICH COULD BE MORE IF WE JUST MADE THE ELECTION TO GO INTO THE URBAN CENTER CODE AREA SO THAT SO IT WAS AN OVERALL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT GOT US TO THAT NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY, THE 98 PUD WAS WAS THE 2000. IT WAS OVER A THOUSAND ACRES, CERTAINLY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 2000, BUT IT WAS, VERY NEARLY EVERYTHING. IT WAS AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT ALL THE COMPANY OWNED. OKAY. ZONED IN ONE GIANT PUD. OKAY, WITH MANY, MANY, MANY SECTIONS. SO WE HEAR, THINGS LIKE THE COUNTRY CLUB, THE, THE COUNTRY CLUB, WHERE THE HOTELS ARE NOW, THE OAK GROVE AND ZILLION AND THE OVERALL DENSITY FOR THE RESIDENCES WAS PEGGED AND THE THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION TO MOVE THE DENSITY AROUND BUT NOT CREATE DENSITY. AND SO THEY PULL OUT OF ONE PLACE, IT GOES IN THE BANK AND IT COULD BE PUT IN SOMEPLACE ELSE. HERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE IF I HAVE THIS CORRECT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT JUST THIS PIECE BY ITSELF HAD AN ALLOTMENT OF THIS MANY UNITS, AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S OUR MAX IS WHAT WE ALREADY HAD. 
          WE'LL JUST PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT SHAPE AND FORM. AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE NEXT QUESTION FROM EVEN BACK IN 98. COMMITMENT TO DENSITIES THAT WERE THAT THE SCHOOL COULD HAVE ON RIGHT, THAT THEY WOULDN'T ALL OF THE SUDDEN BE SURPRISED BY US COMING IN ON THIS AND SAYING, OH, DECIDED WE WANTED TO DO, YOU KNOW, PICK A NUMBER THAT THERE'S AN OVERALL COMMUNITY OF A THOUSAND, THAT THERE'S MORE THAN THAT OF MORE THAN 1.17 PER ACRE. THAT'S KIND OF AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, BUT ONE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BASED ON COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEN CODIFIED BY THE CITY OF OKAY. AND A SIMILAR DEAL FOR THE LAKES. YEAH AND SO THE OVERALL OF THAT THOUSAND ACRES AT 1.7, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN 2.1, 2.7 IF YOU USED ALL THE ACRES. AND IT'LL NOW BE LIKE 4.5, BUT WHEN IT'S SPREAD ACROSS THE THERE WERE OTHER PLACES WHERE IT MAY HAVE BEEN HALF A UNIT. YEAH. AND THEN I WOULD YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS THE HOUSING BANK. THIS DATES THAT IF YOU DON'T USE ALL 294, IT DOES GO BACK IN THE EXTRA GO BACK INTO THE HOUSING BANK, RIGHT? YES. WHICH IS JUST THE SAME AS EXIST TODAY, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S BEEN. OKAY. IT'S A HISTORY LESSON FOR ME. I APPRECIATE THAT I DIDN'T IT'S BEEN A LONG. OKAY QUESTION FOR CHRIS. YOU SAID THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD REVIEWED THIS AND THEY APPROVED. THEY RECOMMENDED IT. WERE THERE ANY CONDITIONS OR COMMENTS TIED TO THAT? YEAH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF JUST MINOR ZONING TEXT MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE. 
          THAT'S REALLY IT. JUST A COUPLE OF I THINK, AARON, I'LL HAVE TO HELP ME OR STEVE, JUST ADDING THAT SIGNAGE. WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? LIGHTING. THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT LIGHTING AND THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SIGNAGE, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, THE LED LIGHTING WASN'T CALLED OUT AS BEING PERMITTED. SO THEY ASKED THAT THAT THAT BE PERMITTED THE SIGNAGE. ONE, IT WAS JUST ACTUALLY IT WAS JUST TO CLARIFY IT WAS A CODE REFERENCE CLARIFICATION. THAT'S ALL IT WAS. AND THE TEXT, INCIDENTALLY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE WE HAD TO MENTION, IT STRUCK ME IN THE AND I MEANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS, CHRIS, BUT IT STRUCK ME IN THE ARAB MEETING THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY WE MAY NEED AN OFF PREMISE SIGN AT SOME POINT. I DON'T KNOW QUITE THAT A ZONING IS THE PLACE TO DO THAT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT TO THESE IN HERE AND, THE TYPE OF USE COULD BE IN THE SUB AREA, ONE, I COULD I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE, BUT THAT COULD BE AN EXPECTATION OF MINE THAT FOR WAYFINDING WE MAY, MAY, MAY NEED ONE OUT THERE AT SOME POINT. OKAY ON THE OPEN SPACE, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE URBAN OPEN URBAN CODE WOULD REQUIRE 38 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. AND THE 15 ACRES TO THE SCHOOL WOULD BE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REQUIREMENT. IS THAT AN ACCURATE, SUB SUB AREA THREE IS 65 ACRES THAT 15 AND AGAIN WE 
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HAVE NOT MADE WE HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO THE SCHOOL'S REQUEST. THEY HAVE ASKED FOR A 15 ACRE LAND DONATION, AS YOU COULD IMAGINE, THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT. SO THAT'S WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE WAY IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO DATE IS THAT THAT 15 ACRES, IF THE ANSWER IS YES, WOULD MEET, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT 38 ACRE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE DEDICATION REQUIREMENT. REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ANSWER THAT COMES BACK, MAYBE THE ANSWER IS NO. WE STILL HAVE THAT OBLIGATION UNDER THIS ZONING TO HAVE 38 ACRES OF PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. WHILE YOU'RE THERE AND ON THE EXACT TOPIC, IF THE SCHOOL GETS IT, THEY THEN CONTROL HOW IT'S USED. NO LOOK, IF A DECISION IS MADE TO DONATE LAND TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE WILL WORK WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH, THAT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH. AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD. I ASSUME AS A AS A RIGHT, AS A, AS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN ULTIMATELY A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STRUCTURES AND THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE STRUCTURES. SO THERE'S A THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER OF REVIEW THAT WOULD BE BEFORE THAT. IT DOESN'T JUST, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE LINKS, THE GOLF COURSE COUNTED AS OPEN SPACE. EVEN THOUGH NO ONE EXCEPT GOLFERS GETS TO ACTUALLY WALK ON IT. AND WE WERE BORDERLINE IN A SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE, OH, IT'S A PARK AND YOU CAN'T USE IT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS SAYING THAT, WE'VE GOT A BASEBALL GAME OR WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE ON THAT PARTICULAR PARK. IN PARTICULAR, HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT COORDINATION. ACTUALLY, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS, URBAN CENTER CODE ADDS A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER TO THAT. AND IN FACT, IN MY MIND, IN OUR MIND, AS WE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS, THEY ARE VERY DISTINCT THINGS. 
          PARKLAND IS USED, OPEN SPACE IS NOT OKAY. AND I THINK OUR RECENT CHANGES TO THE PARKLAND REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE URBAN CENTER CODE REALLY SPEAK TO THIS. THE AMENITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IDENTIFIED IN A SITE SPECIFIC BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'LL WORK WELL. YEAH. AND THEY'RE VERY HELPFUL. THE POINT I'M DRIVING AT IS, IS PLEASE WORK A COOPERATION AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOLS SO THAT THE NEW RESIDENTS THAT WILL LIVE THERE WILL FIND IT AN AN AGREEABLE PARK AS OPPOSED TO, YEAH, IT'S A PARK. AND WE NEVER GET TO USE IT BECAUSE ALL THE TIMES WE WANT TO GO THERE, THE SCHOOL IS USING IT SOMEWHERE THERE. YEAH LOOK, NEAL, THERE ARE LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY THAT GO WELL BEYOND, WHAT WE CAN COMMIT TO AND WHAT WE CAN DISCUSS. I THINK ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE, AMENITIES THAT ARE ON THE SCHOOL CAMPUS TODAY. SOME OF THEM ARE OPEN FOR RESIDENTS TO USE, BUT MANY OF THEM ARE NOT. YEAH. WHAT THIS WILL ULTIMATELY LOOK LIKE. I CAN'T ANSWER IT. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THE ONE THAT'S HELPING SHAPE THAT TO AN EXTENT. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS AMI WITH THE INGREDIENTS OF A VERY EASY TO PASS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THINGS, WE WILL LOOK FOR. OKAY ON THAT SAME TOPIC, I GUESS I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME UNDERSTANDING WHAT WHAT THE SCHOOL MIGHT USE THIS LAND THAT YOU MIGHT GIVE THEM FOR, AND MAYBE YOU'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO COMMENT ON THAT, BUT I JUST, I CAN'T QUITE GET MY I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE WAS LIKE A BASEBALL FIELD. YEAH, IN BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND, AND STARBUCKS, I DON'T QUITE GET WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE. YEAH, I, I HOPE I DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE BY EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOLS HERE. MAYBE. BUT THIS THIS, THIS REZONING APPLICATION NEEDS TO STAND ON ITS OWN WITH THE SCHOOLS OR WITHOUT THE SCHOOLS. 
          THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF ACRES THAT NEED TO BE, COMMITTED, BASED ON BASED ON THE ZONING, THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS REQUIRE 2400FT■!S PR RESIDENTIAL UNIT. IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP 300 HOMES, MAKE THE NUMBER THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 16 ACRES OF PARKLAND. DEDICATION REQUIREMENT. IF YOU DO FEWER HOMES THAN THAT, IT'S A LOWER NUMBER. SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH. AN AGREEMENT, AN AGREEMENT WITH WHETHER THAT IS, IS, GROUND. THAT'S 
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ULTIMATELY GIVEN TO A DIFFERENT ENTITY OR NOT. IS REALLY A TANGENT QUESTION IN MY MIND. AND I GUESS TO SOME EXTENT IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON THE DECISION WE MAY MAKE TONIGHT. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S TRUE. I, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER QUESTION OR THE BIGGER ISSUE THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS BOARD IS AWARE OF IS THIS VISION THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE CITY THAT WE ARE CERTAINLY IN AGREEMENT ON. IS THIS EMERALD NECKLACE, PARK COMMUNITY WIDE THING THAT IS TAYLOR FARM ON ONE SIDE AND GANTON ON THE OTHER, CONNECTED BY THIS GREEN CORRIDOR THAT IS ROSE RUNNING AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE THAT SEGUES INTO MY NEXT COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, OR AT LEAST DIALOG I WANTED TO HAVE WITH YOU IS IT'S, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE IN THE PACKAGE FOR US TO LOOK AT IS ALL KIND OF VARYING, MICRO. YEAH AND YOU MENTIONED DURING YOUR COMMENTS THAT THE IDEA OR AT LEAST I THOUGHT I HEARD DURING COMMENTS, THERE IS THIS SENSE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS EXPANDING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN, YES, VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE CITY PARKS. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT HOW THERE'S GOING TO BE CONNECTIVITY WITH CERTAINLY WITH THE ROSE RUN CORRIDOR PIECE AND WHEN I HEAR ROSE RUN CORRIDOR, I'M THINKING ROSE RUN PARK. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE EXTENSION THAT'S GOING TO GO AND GET AT LEAST UP TO 605. AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN PART OF 605 WHERE THE OLD POLICE STATION STUFF IS, AND AS WE GO. CAN YOU I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE CONNECTIVITY, PARTICULARLY IF ONE OF THE CONCEPTS HERE IS THAT WE HAVE AN URBAN CENTER, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IN A WAY THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT MAY WANT TO LIVE IN THAT AREA, THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN USING RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS. YES. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET THERE? I THINK MOST OF US WOULD PREFER THAT EVERYBODY NOT GET IN THEIR CARS AND DRIVE THREE BLOCKS AND PARK DOWNTOWN. SO THAT I THINK IS REAL IMPORTANT, IS HOW THAT CONNECTIVITY IS GOING TO WORK. I CAN'T SEE IT ON THIS MICRO STUFF WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. THAT'S RIGHT, WE JUST RECENTLY DONATED TWO ACRES RIGHT BEHIND YOU THAT TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT WILL BE PART OF ROSE RUN PHASE TWO. WHAT HAPPENS THEN? YOUR QUESTION TO ROSE RUN EAST OF 605 THROUGH THE ESTATE. HOW DO WE GET THERE? HOW DO WE GET THEM SET UP? UP TO HERE. AND, DAVE, I WISH I HAD A DRAWING OR EXHIBIT OR SOMETHING THAT ILLUSTRATED SPECIFICALLY HOW THAT WILL WORK. I WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WE WILL HAVE HEALTHY SETBACKS ALONG THE, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY SETBACKS ALONG DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. THE ZONING TEXT NOW THAT VARIES BETWEEN 140 AND 180FT. IS THAT WHAT WE SAID? I JUST GOT THROUGH SAYING, I THINK IT WILL BE EVEN GREATER THAN THAT. YEAH, THAT'S NOT ALONG THE ROSE RUN CREEK, THE ROSE RUN CREEK EXTENDS THROUGH THE ESTATE AND THEN UP CONNECTS UP. RIGHT DOWN AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS SITE. WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL LAND DONATIONS FROM THE WEXNERS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THE EXPANSION? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH WITH OUR OWNER. I DO KNOW THAT THIS VISION OF A DUMBBELL CONNECTED BY A GREEN CORRIDOR IS SOMETHING THAT THE THAT THE CITY HAS ASKED FOR, THAT WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO DIG INTO AND UNDERSTAND AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS. WE WILL BE CROSSING A SECTION OF THE ROSE RUN WITH THE EXTENSION OF MARKET STREET UP TO THIRD, SO THERE ARE LOTS OF ENCUMBRANCES THAT ARE HAPPENING ALONG THE WAY. THAT MAKE THAT A LOGICAL CONNECTION. 
          BUT HOW THAT NEXT PIECE WILL WILL FIT INTO THE PUZZLE? I DON'T QUITE KNOW YET. THE 100FT ALONG THE ROSE, ONE QUARTER THAT IT TALKS ABOUT, THAT'S I PRESUMED ALL ON THE FROM THE CENTER LINE OF ROSE RUN GOING EAST. YEAH. IT'S A IT'S 150, 100, 100FT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S 100 FROM THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. YES YES. AND NEIL THAT AGAIN. THAT'S ONE, WE, WE WILL BE WORKING HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE ARMY CORPS AND THE EPA WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY AND WALK IT, IT'S NOTHING. I MEAN, YOU CAN YOU CAN HOP OVER IT AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN. AND HOW CAN WE TURN THIS INTO AN AMENIT, A DESTINATION, A THING? BECAUSE WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY IS NOT. 
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AND THAT'S, THAT IS A THAT IS A HEAVY LIFT ON OUR PART, ON THE CITY'S PART BECAUSE WE, WE MADE VERY, RESTRICTIVE COMMITMENTS IN THAT EASEMENT. THE BILL REST DAYS ALL THOSE YEARS AGO. YOU ACTUALLY ARE PUBLIC ACCESS IS PROHIBITED IN THE LANGUAGE TODAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. 
          SO GETTING THERE IS GOING TO BE A TRICK. AND I'M HOPEFUL THE NEXT TIME I'M BEFORE YOU GUYS WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE MADE PROGRESS ALONG THOSE, PATHS TO, TO, TO, TO BRING SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN UTILIZE AND CELEBRATE REAL QUICK. THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THIS IS TYPICALLY THE ROSE RUN WHERE THE ROSE ONE EXISTS. CORRECT OKAY. SO THE 100FT IS ON THIS SIDE. 
          CORRECT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT 100 CENTERED. YEAH. THERE THERE ARE I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH. SO SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE COMPLEX. SO THE MOST OF THE ROSE RUN ACTUAL CREEK ITSELF IS ACTUALLY LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, JUST WEST OF THE BLUE SHADED AREA. THE ZONING DISTRICT DOES PICK UP ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROSE RUN CREEK, SO WE'RE GETTING 100. THE ZONING TEXT COMMITS TO PROVIDING 100FT OFF OF THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. IN ADDITION TO THE EASEMENT THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, WHICH IS FROM THE CENTERLINE OF THE ROSE RUN, GOING FURTHER WEST IS NOT ADDRESSED HERE. THE 100FT IS YOUR SIDE, WHICH IS EAST OF THE CREEK. TYPICALLY, I WILL ASK A FAVOR. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU THE NEXT TIME YOU'RE OUT WALKING AND ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT EXISTS TODAY. IT'S, IT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO MAYBE SET UP A TIME WHEN THE COMMISSION ITSELF? I'D LOVE TO. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. I'LL WORK WITH WITH WITH STAFF. AND WE'LL WE'LL SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT RATHER THAN DO IT HAPHAZARDLY. YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW. I WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GOING ANYWAY, A GREAT IDEA IF IT'S AS SMALL AS YOU'RE SAYING IT IS, I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO FIND IT. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND IT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. YEAH THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. OKAY. QUICK QUESTION ON ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, THIS IS, CAPITAL C THREE IN SUB AREA ONE, BRICK AND TRUE WOOD SIDING ARE PERMITTED. PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS. IS THAT TOO RESTRICTED OF A PALETTE? I'M ON PAGE. I'M ON THE STAFF REPORT, PAGE FIVE. BECAUSE THAT ONE'S A WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE. AND I DIDN'T GO RESEARCH THE TEXT TO FIND THE EXACT PARAGRAPH IN THE TEXT, BUT C THREE NEAR THE TOP OF THE PAGE. BRICK ENTRY, WOOD SIDING ARE PERMITTED. PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS INSIDE SUB AREA THREE. WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND FOUND IT TOO RESTRICTIVE. AND THEN IT'S A VARIANCE TO GET IT FIXED. YOU SAID 71 OR 70 333 SUB AREA THREE. YES. THOSE ARE THE BY RIGHT. THAT'S IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THAT'S IN BY RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALLOWED HARDIPLANK OR NOT HARDIPLANK TRUE. WOOD OR BRICK SIDING IS NOW MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT TOO RESTRICTIVE FOR THE FORM TYPES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? WE DON'T BELIEVE SO THAT IS WHAT THE ZONING CODE ALLOWS TODAY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. SO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES CAN REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S ALSO A CODE REQUIREMENT ALLOWS THE CITY ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD TO EVALUATE ALTERNATE MATERIALS THAT MIMIC TRUE BRICK OR TRADITIONAL WOOD SIDING. SO THERE IS A MECHANISM IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL EVALUATION OF MATERIALS WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO SOMEONE COULD COME IN WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD SHAPE BUT ISN'T WOOD SHAKE. AND THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WOOD SHAKE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, I WASN'T IN READING THE STAFF REPORT. I DIDN'T GO FIND IT IN THE TEXT. STEVE, THIS THIS IS WE'RE KIND OF THIS THIS IS NEW, THIS IS A NEW PROCESS FOR US. SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SAY, WE'VE GOT A USER, WE'VE GOT A DESIGN, WE GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD FIRST, AND THEN WE COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THOSE ITEMS WILL BE DISCUSSED WHEN IT'S REVIEWED BY THE ARB. RIGHT. 
          YES. A RECOMMENDATION WILL THEN COME TO THIS BOARD TO EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE. IF THEY IF FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE ARB SAYS NO, WE'RE OKAY WITH MATERIAL ABC, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE. THAT THEN COMES TO THIS BOARD TO BE EVALUATED AS WELL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE EVALUATED BY THIS BOARD, BUT IF THERE'S AN OVERALL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, 
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THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SHARED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW, OKAY, OKAY. YEAH, OKAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO BAKE IT INTO THE ZONING IF WHEN WE FOUND IT TOO RESTRICTIVE IN THE PAST. BUT BUT YOUR ROLE THEN WHAT I JUST HEARD IS WHEN YOU'RE USED TO DOING THAT AND THIS WILL BE DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO YOU, IT WILL HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. OKAY TOM, CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF I KNOW YOU CAN'T DISCLOSE THE IDENTITY OF THE OF THE COMPANY YOU WORKING WITH, BUT CAN YOU AT LEAST GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT THE VISION FOR WHAT THE BUILDINGS MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THAT SUB AREA? ONE AREA, IT IT WILL NOT BE TIDEWATER GEORGIAN STAYED BRICK SEPARATE ONE OR SUB AREA THREE. AREA ONE WAS WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE WHAT I'M WHAT I'M THINKING I KNOW CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHERE IN NEW ALBANY THERE MIGHT BE A SIMILAR, I UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S OKAY, WHAT I, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS HOW DO WE HOW DO WE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENSURE SOME SORT OF COHESIVENESS BETWEEN THE THREE PIECES IN THAT AREA SO THAT YOU DON'T WALK, YOU DON'T DRIVE DOWN GANTON PARKWAY AND SEE, YOU KNOW, CRAZY INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. AND ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE THESE QUAINT LITTLE BUNGALOWS. IT JUST SEEMS IT WILL BE JARRING TO ME. SO I, AS WELL AS SUBAREA TWO, RIGHT, AS WELL AS SUBAREA TWO IF, IF THAT THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH SOME TYPE OF MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE, LIKE THE ZONING TEXT PERMITS. AARON MENTIONED THERE MAY BE A SCENARIO WHERE SUB AREA ONE AND SUB AREA TWO COME IN TOGETHER, WHICH WOULD BE FANTASTIC. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT OR NOT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO. HOW THAT IS COORDINATED WITH WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. ACCESS AND CIRCULATION IS ALSO A BIG IMPORTANT PIECE TO THIS THAT IS, THAT IS GOING TO BE, A TRIC. AND WHEN I SAY A TRICK, WHAT I MEAN IS GANTON PARKWAY. WHAT I'VE HEARD THE CIVIL ENGINEERS SAY IS THEY WANT THAT TO BE A BEAUTIFUL BOULEVARD ROAD, KIND OF LIKE FODOR ROAD, THE WIDE BOULEVARD WITH, LARGE SHADE TREES. OKAY. A HEALTHY TREE LAWN AND LEISURE PATH. SO THE BUILDINGS, AT LEAST IN SUBAREA ONE AND POTENTIALLY THE RESIDENTIAL AND SUBAREA THREE WILL NOT BE RIGHT UP ON THE ROAD LIKE YOU SEE ON 62. OKAY SO WHILE IT'S IN THE VILLAGE CENTE, IT WILL NOT BE. YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT THIS TO FEEL LIKE MARKET STREET WITH WITH DENSE URBAN VILLAGE CENTER FORMS NEXT TO THE ROAD, BUT RATHER HEALTHY, LANDSCAPED SETBACKS WITH BUILDING STILL FRONTING THE ROA, BUT BEHIND A VEIL OF GREEN SETBACK AND TREES. OKAY IT PROBABLY IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN HERE, BUT, A TIGHTER SPACING THAN 30FT ON CENTER, WHICH NACO HAS USED IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY CLUB REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. YEAH YEAH. THE CITY NOW HAS A SERIES OF ARBORISTS ON BOARD THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THAT, THAT IS, HELPFUL AND HURTFUL, RIGHT. BECAUSE SOME ARBORISTS WOULD SAY THAT'S TOO, YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, PART OF THE COUNTRY CLUB COMMUNITY IS IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, AND WE HAVE TO FIGHT WITH WITH THE ARBORISTS IN COLUMBUS BECAUSE THEY WILL TELL YOU 30FT IS TOO CLOSE AND DON'T CREATE A MONOCULTURE. YOU NEED TO VARY THE SPECIES OF STRUCTUR. 
          SO IT'S A IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WALK DOWN HAD A POND. YEAH QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AND GO AHEAD. YEAH. SO IN THE TEXT IN SUBSECTIONS ONE AND TWO TALKS ABOUT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SCREENING. YEAH. AND AT THE END IT SAYS THESE REQUIREMENTS DO NOT APPLY TO SOLAR PANELS. IS THAT OUR DIRECTION THAT WE WANT DOES NOT APPLY TO THAT. WE WANT TO SEE THE SOLAR PANELS. OH NO. GO AHEAD, IT'S A PRACTICALITY. SHADE IS EVIL AS FAR AS SOLAR PANELS ARE CONCERNED. AND SO SHADING THEM FROM BECOMES PROBLEMATIC. SO YEAH. SO YOU YOU DON'T REQUIRE SCREENING BECAUSE YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT SUN. THEY NEED TO FACE THE SUN. YEAH. OKAY OKAY. NOW MY LAST ONE IS VERY LAST PARAGRAPH. IT TALKS ABOUT THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL THING FOR ME I THINK DEVIATIONS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BASICALLY HAVE A WAIVER PROCESS WITH THE CITY THAT GOES BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. DO THE ITEMS THAT GO THROUGH THAT? ARE THEY ALL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD ITEMS? OR IF THERE WAS A ZONING ITEM, WOULD IT ALSO GO THROUGH THAT WAIVER PROCESS. 
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AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD WOULD MAKE ZONING DECISIONS? I'M NOT SURE HOW TO READ THAT. SO THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW FOR LIKE USE VARIANCES OR WAIVERS. SO A WAIVER OR A VARIANCE WOULD ALWAYS BE TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE WAY THAT THE CITY CODE IS SET UP TODAY, ANY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVIATE FROM OUR CODE STANDARDS WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER, IT GOES BEFORE THE CITY'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AS A WAIVER, WHEREAS OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, IT'S A VARIANCE EITHER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. SO THE APPLICANT IS KEEPING, THE WAIVER PROCESS CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT EXISTS TODAY BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING. YEAH. IT DOES. I COULD CODIFY ORDINANCES, BUT IT ALSO SAYS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO HOW DO WE DEFINE ACTUALLY THE TEXT AS I READ IT SAYS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS CASE IS GOING TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY, I MISSED I MISSED I MISSED THAT PART, SO I THINK IT'S CLARIFYING THAT BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE PD TEXT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WAIVER. AND IF IT'S SO IF THE PB TEXT IS SILENT ON ANY SPECIFIC CODE REQUIREMENT, THEN IT DEFAULTS TO CITY CODE. AND I THINK IT'S CLARIFYING THAT THAT WOULD ALSO GO THROUGH THAT WAIVER PROCESS THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE PD TEXT. I ONLY SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD LISTED. PARDON ME, I ONLY SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD PHOTOGRAPH QUESTION. OH, PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH. PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH. NEVER MIND, I SEE IT. 
          YEAH, I MISSED THAT ONE. AND THE WAIVER PROCESS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A VARIANCE OR VARIANCES AS WE ALL KNOW IS LEGAL OR A LEGAL STANDARD. AND WHAT I THINK THE CITY FOUND WHEN THEY WROTE THE CODE WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING A LOT MORE ABOUT AN ART FORM A LOT OF TIMES WITH ARCHITECTURE AND VARIANCE IS NOT REALLY THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THE WAIVER PROCESS. AND THE ANSWER. I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE FROM PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? AND ACCEPTANCE. THE STAFF REPORTS AND WILL READ DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR ZONING CHANGE 48 2024 DELAY A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS. 
          SECOND AND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION OKAY. ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY? YES MR. SHELL? YES, MISS. BRIGGS? YES. MR. LARSON. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES. MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. I WASN'T KEEPING TRACK. I WAS. YEAH, THAT'S. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT IAN'T DO THE MOTION. I HAVE FOUR CONDITIONS. NO UPLOADING IN SUBAREAS TWO AND THREE. DISCOURAGED IN SUBAREA ONE, CONDITION. ALL RIGHT. LET ME SLOW DOWN, BECAUSE THAT WAS PRETTY FAST. YEAH THAT'S ONE THING TO READ THEM FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR IT. SO THEY READ IT FOR PEOPLE TO WRITE THEM DOWN. LET ME PUSH THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION. ALL RIGHT, MY SECOND WAS IT STRUCTURES, TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKLAND BE ALLOWED OR SOMEWHAT. THERE'S ANOTHER READING THAT THAT WAS THE ACTUALLY, I'LL ASK LEGAL OR STAFF. IS THAT CLEAR ON WHAT'S INTENDED? STRUCTURES TO BE ALLOWED TO BE. WHAT WAS IT STRUCTURES TO SUPPORT PARK FORM BASED CODE. AND IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT A STRUCTURE AS PART OF A PARK, IF WE DON'T HAVE IT IN A FORM BASED CODE, THEY CAN'T DO IT. SO IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU HAVE A PERMANENT RESTROOM? OH, WE CAN BECAUSE THERE ISN'T OR OR THE, THE IMAGES THAT WERE ON THE BOARD WERE THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL LIBRARY AND THE CHURCH OF THE RESURRECTION. IF WE COULD ADD IMAGES LIKE THE WEXNER PAVILION OR BATHROOMS AND LIKE A PRESS BOX BASEBALL DIAMOND, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT STRUCTURES APPROPRIATE TO THE PARK BE ALLOWED. YES, YES. THANK YOU. THAT WORKS. OKAY. STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE TO THE PARK BE ALLOWED. OKAY IN PARKS. OKAY, THREE SETBACKS ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD, LINEAR TAPER, 140FT, AS REQUESTED ON THE WESTERN END. GOING TO THE ORIGINAL 185 FOOT AT THE EASTERN END. AND NOTE THAT THESE ARE SETBACKS AND NOT BUILD TWOS. AND FOR THE MINUTES, NOT FOR THE MOTION, WE'RE EXPECTING THEM TO BE LARGER IN PRACTICE. SETBACKS ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. LINEAR 
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TAPER 100FT ON WESTERN END. GROWING TO ABOUT 140 AS REQUESTED ON THEIR WESTERN EDGE. 
          AND RETURNING TO THE ORIGINAL 180 FOOT. THAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW, 185FT. THAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW AT THE EASTERN END. 
          OKAY FOR SUBAREA ONE, LIGHTING SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET. GOTCHA. 
          PROBABLY APPLIES TO TWO, BUT MOSTLY THE SOUTHERLY ONE. ACTUALLY, LET ME ALTER THAT SUBAREA ONE AND TWO LIGHTING. IT'S SENSITIVE TO RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET. ESPECIALLY SINCE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONDITIONS? LET ME JUST READ BACK WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN ON THREE SETBACKS ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. LINEAR TAPER, 100FT ON WESTERN END, GROWING TO 140FT AS REQUESTED ON WESTERN EDGE AND RETURNING TO 180FT ON EASTERN END. THE 100 NEEDS TO DISAPPEAR. IT'S THANK YOU, SO IT'S A LINEAR TAPER. IT STARTS WITH A SETBACK OF 140FT ON THE WESTERN EDGE. OKAY AND IT GROWS TO THE EXISTING 185 FOOT SETBACK ON THEIR EASTERN EDGE OF DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO ADD LANGUAGES THAT THE PURPOSE IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE WORLD? YEAH. SETTING. OR DO YOU THINK IT'S. THIS IS NUTS AND BOLTS. THE WISE ARE IN THE MINUTES. OKAY I MEAN WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO LIKE THAT. NO, THAT'S WHY I SAID THE LINEAR TAPER OKAY. SO FROM HERE TO HERE AND THEY START SLOWLY CREEPING CLOSER TOGETHER THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE VILLAGE CENTER AND THEY GET FARTHER APART, THE FARTHER AWAY. ALL RIGHT. IT'S CLEAR. I THINK IT'S CLEAR NOW. THIS WORKS REALLY WELL ON THE EAST COAST FOR HIS ABILITY TO THE OCEAN. THEY'LL HAVE THEIR BUILD LINES V TAPER. I MOVE APPROVAL ZONING CHANGE 48 2024. 
          BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF STAFF REPORT, DO WE HAVE ANY NATIVE CONDITIONS? NOPE. SUBJECT TO THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT WE JUST DELINEATED, DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? CLEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. SHELL? YES MR. LAWSON. 
          YES, MR. WALLACE. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE. NO UPLIGHTING IN SUBAREAS TWO AND THREE. AND IT'S DISCOURAGED IN SUBAREA ONE. NUMBER TWO STRUCTURES TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKLAND REQUIREMENT BE ALLOWED IN PARKS. NUMBER THREE, SETBACKS ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. LINEAR TAPER GROWING TO 140FT AS REQUESTED ON WESTERN EDGE AND RETURNING TO 180FT ON EASTERN END, THE WORD GROWING PROBABLY GETS FLIPPED, BUT IT YOUR NUMBERS ARE CORRECT. IT DOESN'T GROW FROM ONE OR GOING FROM 1.4. OKAY. MR. TAPER TO 140FT AS REQUESTED ON WESTERN EDGE AND RETURNING TO 180FT ON EASTERN. YEAH. THANK YOU. NUMBER FOUR, SUBAREA ONE AND TWO LIGHTING SENSITIVE TO RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. CONGRATULATIONS. GO AHEAD. 
          IMPRESS US WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS TAKES US TO. LET'S TAKE A SHORT BREAK, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. LET'S TAKE A OUT OF CONTROL. WHAT IS THERE THAT WORKED? THERE WE GO. 
          YEAH. AS WE'RE BACK, BRINGS US TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 50 2024 FOR MCDONALD'S. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YES THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN FDP AS WELL AS A VARIANCE FOR MCDONALD'S WITH TWO DRIVE THRU LANES. THE 1.805 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BEACH ROAD AND BEACH CROSSING, IS WITHIN THE BEACH CROSSING ZONING DISTRICT. THE SITE WILL INCLUDE A 3694 
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SQUARE FOOT MCDONALD'S RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU, WHICH IS A PERMITTED WHICH IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM TWO CURB CUTS OFF OF BEACH CROSSING, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD. THE CURB, CUT CLOSEST TO BEACH ROAD IS A RIGHT OUT ONLY ACCESS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS A FULL ACCESS. AN EIGHT FOOT LEISURE TRAIL IS ALREADY INSTALLED ALONG BEACH ROAD FRONTAGE, SO THIS IS MET IN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL SIDEWALK ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF BEACH CROSSING. HOWEVER, ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT OF THE SOUTH IS REQUIRED TO INSTALL SIDEWALK ALONG THIS FRONTAGE. THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUIRED. HOWEVER, STREET TREES ARE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED BY THE APPLICANT. THE PROPOSED PLAN MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO PARKING, STACKING SPACES, SETBACKS AND LOT COVERAGE. THE AREA HAS A MASTER LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THE APPLICANT IS GENERALLY MEETING THE PLAN. HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT REVISE THE PLANS SO THAT THE BEACH ROAD PROPOSED TREES MATCH WHAT'S PERMITTED ON THE APPROVED MASTER LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF STREET TREES IS NOT BEING MET ALONG THE BEACH ROAD FRONTAGE AND THE NORTHERN BEACH CROSSING FRONTAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ONE ADDITIONAL TREE ALONG BEACH ROAD AND TWO ADDITIONAL TREES ON SITE FOR BEACH CROSSING. OUR CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE PLANS AND HAD MINOR CONDITIONS. SEVERAL MINOR CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS, BRICK IN THE APPLICANT IS MEETING STANDARDS, INCLUDING NUMBER OF STORIES, HEIGHT SCREENING, ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND PROVIDING FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. DGR SECTION SIX STATES THAT BUILDINGS SHOULD HAVE ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOORS ALONG ELEVATIONS UP FRONT ON A STREET, AND THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THIS WITH ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOORS ALONG TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROVIDING AN ACTIVE, INOPERABLE DOOR ALONG THE REAR ELEVATION AS SHOWN HERE, AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED A VARIANCE DUE TO THE AREA BEING AUDIO, AUTO ORIENTED, IT DOES NOT APPEAR NECESSARY TO INCLUDE AN ACTIVE AND OPERABLE DOOR ALONG THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SIGNED PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO WALL SIGNS ON THE ONE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ONE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. THE WALL SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED MEET SIZING AND LETTERING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES ONE MONUMENT SIGN ALONG BEACH CROSSING, WHICH ALSO MEETS REQUIREMENTS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL FOUR DIGITAL MENU BOARDS. ALL FOUR SIGNS ARE UNDER THE MAXIMUM 32FT■!S REQUIREMENT AND THEREFORE MEET CODE OVERALL. STAFF VIEWS. THE USE AS APPROPRIATE. IT IS MEETING ALL GENERAL REGULATIONS AND THE PLAN MEETS MANY OF THE GOALS OF THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, SUCH AS PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG ROADWAYS AND INTO THE SITE, AS WELL AS UTILIZING HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. STAFF CONDITIONS ARE LISTED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ENGINEERING TH. PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED A MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTS, BUT WE REQUEST THAT THEY ADD SITE DISTANCE TRIANGLES, TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AS WELL AS PROVIDE A FIRE TRUCK TRAINING ANALYSIS. AND WE WILL EVALUATE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, SANITARY AND ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION RELATED DETAILS WHEN IT'S PROVIDED. THANK YOU. WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LINDSEY JORDAN AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING MCDONALD'S. WE DID RECEIVE THE STAFF REPORT AND HAVE SINCE UPDATED THE PLANS TO ADDRESS THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. WE'VE ALSO ADDRESSED THE MAJORITY OF THE LANDSCAPE COMMENTS. THERE IS ONE THAT IS LINGERING THAT WE DO NEED TO EVALUATE A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT IS IN REGARDS TO THE STRIPED LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE PROVIDED A TRUCK TURNING RADIUS EXHIBIT AND OUR, OUR SITES A LITTLE BIT TIGHT FOR THE DELIVERY TRUCK. SO THE TWO STRIPED AREAS YOU SEE NEAR BEACH ROAD, EXCUSE ME, NEAR BEACH ROAD, ARE WITHIN THE TIRE AREA. SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO KEEP THOSE STRIPED AREAS FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE CURB AND KEEP THE SITE EXISTING THE WAY IT IS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, ANY CONFLICTS WITH ANY OF THE CONDITIONS IN ENGINEERING OR FROM THE PLANNERS? NO CONFLICTS, JUST THE LANDSCAPING. ISLANDS. OKAY STAFF ON LANDSCAPING. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THAT'S, SINCE THE ONE, TURNING RADIUS IS SO CLOSE ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE SOME LANDSCAPING ON THERE. WE UNDERSTAND FROM A PRACTICAL SIDE THAT THE OTHER 
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ONE IS PROBABLY OVER HALFWAY OVERLAPPING. AND SO THAT PROBABLY IS MORE APPROPRIATELY STRIPED, BUT WE DO FEEL THERE COULD BE DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD SOME MORE GREEN SPACE TO THE SITES. ON THE OTHER ISLAND. I THINK THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO FIX. THANKS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE VARIANCE WHICH WERE, HEARING SIMULTANEOUSLY? WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, THINGS FOR THE VARIANCE? NO. OKAY. THE VARIANCE SAYS NOT OPERABLE. DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE OPERABLE DOORS ON THE BEACH CROSSING ELEVATION. BUT UNLESS I'M READING THIS WRONG BEACH CROSSINGS WHERE THE DOOR IS, SO THAT IS FOR. SO THAT IS A REAR ELEVATION. SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS ON THE WEST SIDE. SO IT'D BE ON THIS SIDE. RIGHT. SO IT WAS MARKED ACCESS ROAD IS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING THE VARIANCE AGAINST AND NOT BEACH CROSSING. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. IT'S YEAH IT'S SORT OF CROSSING BUT YES. I'M SAYING THAT THE VARIANCE. RIGHT, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE A VARIANCE THAT SAYS ONLY BEACH CROSSING, THEY CAN'T BUILD WHAT WE JUST SAW BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A DOOR ON BEACH CROSSING, IT WOULD NEED THE VARIANCE. IT'S THE ACCESS ROAD AND IT'S THE REAR ELEVATION THAT THIS APPLIES TO. SURE. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OTHER FOLKS. I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THE SIGN IN THE ARCHES ALL IN UNDER THE REQUIRED SIZE AND THANK YOU SHAPES. SO THANK YOU. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 50 2024. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS? CAN YOU ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. SHELL YES. MR. WALLACE. 
          YES, MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR. LARSON YES, THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS. DO I HEAR A MOTION BEFORE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. FDP FIVE ZERO 2024. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, DO YOU WANT TO MODIFY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ONE TO FIT THE TURNING RADIUS OF THE TRUCKS? YES, PLEASE. OKAY AND AGAIN, IT'S SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. YEAH. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE MOTION? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. THAT CONDITION IS MODIFIED. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, TO ACCOMMODATE OUR TURNING RADIUS TO ACCOMMODATE STILL SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL? I'M SORRY. SECOND. SECOND. SARAH. SECOND. 
          MR. SHELL? YES, MISS. BRIGGS? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES MR. WALLACE. YES. MR. LAWSON. YES. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. TO MODIFY THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE TURN RADIUS, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THANK YOU. I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR VARIANTS 51 2024, WHERE A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS I'LL SECOND. IN DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. OKAY. THE ROLL, MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. LARSON YES, MR. SHELL YES, MISS BRIGGS YES, THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. TO YOUR MOTION FOR THE VARIANCE ITSELF. 
          KNOWING THAT WE'VE MODIFIED IT TO APPLY TO THE ACCESS ROAD. SLASH REAR ELEVATION, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR VAR DASH 51-2024. BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT AND NOTING THAT IT IS, THE REAR ACCESS ROAD. WAIT A SECOND, SECOND. THAT AND DISCUSSION ON 
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THE MOTION. CAN YOU ROLL, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. SHELL. YES. MR. LARSON. YES, MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES, THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NOTING THAT IT'S BEEN MODIFIED TO APPLY TO THE REAR ACCESS ROAD. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. WELCOME TO ALBANY. BRINGS US TO OUR OTHER BUSINESS, 
          [VII. Other business]
SKIPPING THE FAIR, WE HAVE, A PARTIAL ON THE HAMLET. YES. LET ME GRAB THE CLICK OR THE LASER POINTER REAL QUICK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, AS I MENTIONED, EARLIER. INITIALLY, THE APPLICANT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A MORE THOROUGH, INFORMAL REVIEW OF THE HAMLET FINAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, WHICH HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, TO OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          HOWEVER, DUE TO UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT LAST MINUTE. SO WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO IS PROVIDE A VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW ABOUT, JUST KIND OF WHERE THE PLAN STANDS AS SUBMITTED TODAY, THE PROCESS THAT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH, AND THEN SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE APPLICANT SO FAR, SO THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT, I CAN PROBABLY ANSWER, YOU KNOW, LIMITED TO, WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED FOR EVALUATION. I'M SURE THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE, TO ANSWER. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE AS WE MOVE THROUGH TONIGHT. SO I KNOW ALL OF YOU KNOW WHERE THE HAMLET SITE IS AT CENTRAL COLLEGE IN 605, IN THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED. THIS IS 32.6 ACRES, AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT, BUT WE'VE IT'S BEEN ABOUT, ALMOST TWO YEARS, 18 MONTHS SINCE WE'VE BEEN BACK IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, SO, AS YOU PROBABLY NOTICED, THERE'S A LOT OF DEMOLITION WORK HAPPENING TO THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE OUT THERE. THE APPLICANT WAS, KIND ENOUGH TO WORK WITH THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT TO DO SOME CONTROL BURNS AND SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE OUT THERE, THOSE HAVE HAPPENED, TWO OF THEM HAPPENED LAST WEEK. AND TWO MORE WILL HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO, AS WEATHER PERMITS. OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM WAS ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET SOME REALLY AWESOME VIDEO AND PICTURES OF THE TRAININGS. IT WAS, YOU CAN FIND A VIDEO ON OUR OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THERE WAS A REALLY AWESOME PICTURE OF MIKE, DERRICK AND A AND A FULL FIREFIGHTER OUTFIT, AND I DECIDED NOT TO SHARE THAT, EVEN THOUGH JOSH RECOMMENDED IT. SO THIS IS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED, SO I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH AGAIN. I KNOW MOST OF YOU ARE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR. THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS PERMITTED IN THE ZONING TEXT. SO AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF ORIENT EVERYONE HERE, I CAN OPERATE ON EITHER SCREEN. I SEE PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN AND THAT SCREEN, BUT I'LL PROBABLY, WORK OFF OF THIS SCREEN HERE IF THAT'S OKAY. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, ALL CENTRALIZED REALLY AROUND THE CENTRAL GREEN HERE. AND THE MASSIVE PROPOSED PARK HERE IN THE IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. CAN YOU SWITCH BACK TO THE GREEN ONE? YEAH. HOLD ON. DOES SOMEONE HAVE THE GREEN ONE I DIDN'T OH IS IT UP HERE. MAYB. OKAY. SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY CENTRALIZED AROUND THE CENTRAL GREEN HERE. AND THEN, AROUND THE PROPOSED SUGAR RUN, PARK HERE, SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE SEVERAL CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ARE REALLY FINALIZED AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOP PLAN APPLICATION, THAT I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH JUST VERY, VERY BRIEFLY HERE, SO THE LAYOUT OF, SUBAREA FIVE HAS BEEN CONFIRMED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE APARTMENTS, THE TOTAL OF 40 UNITS THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE ZONING TEXT HAVE ALL BEEN PUT INTO ONE BUILDING HERE, FACING THE CREEK AREA, TOWNHOMES, ALL FACING 605, SAME OVER HERE WITH DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD. THERE'S ONE EXCEPTION TO THAT, THAT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH HERE IN A SECOND. AND THEN, A PUBLIC PARKING LOT FACING THIS IS THE TACO BELL AREA HAS ALSO BEEN ADDED THAT WAS GENERALLY SHOWN ON THE PULMONARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT HAS CHANGED, EVER SO SLIGHTLY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE STUFF CHANGES AS DESIGNS ARE REFINED. SO THIS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE, BUT, THERE'S BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON CREATING A REALLY, REALLY NICE CENTRALIZED GREEN HERE THAT CONNECTS INTO THE PARK, THAT'S REALLY EXCITING. OOPS SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, HERE AT HOME, SO THE FINAL DEVELOP PLAN 
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APPLICATION FOR A HAMLET ACTUALLY HAS TO GO TO THREE DIFFERENT REVIEWING BODIES. SO THEIR FIRST STEP ON AUGUST 5TH IS FOR THE PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD. THEY REVIEW, PROPOSED PARKS AND OPEN SPACE DEDICATIONS ON THE SITE. COMPARE THAT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING TEXT, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION. SO ARB HAPPENS AFTER THE TAB. WHO MAKES A RECOMMENDATION? THE. SORRY, THE ARB MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION. WHO TAKES FINAL APPLICATION OR FINAL ACTION ON ALL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND FINAL PLAT APPLICATIONS. OOPS. KEEP TRYING TO HIT ME. SO, WE DO JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, I THINK IT WAS SENT OUT TO MOST PEOPLE HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A NEW BOARD AND COMMISSION CASES DASHBOARD. I THINK WE WENT OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT. I SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT. THIS CASE IS ON THAT DASHBOARD AS NEW INFORMATION IS SUBMITTED OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, THAT DASHBOARD WILL BE KEPT UP TO DATE AS MUCH AS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. FOR OUR STAFF, WE ALSO HAVE A HAMLET SUB PAGE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE WITH EVEN MORE INFORMATION, ONE OF THOSE PIECES BEING THIS HERE ON THE SCREEN. SO JUST, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT JUST TO EDUCATE FOLKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING MEETINGS ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERALL PROCESS, THE SCHEDULE AND THEN WHICH, BOARDS REVIEW, WHICH PIECES OF THE APPLICATION. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD, THEIR REVIEW AND PURVIEW IS ABOUT PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. SO THE SUBMITTAL, THE SITE PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU IS REALLY MEANT TO PROVIDE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THAT BOARD TO EVALUATE THE REQUEST. AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE PURVIEW OVER THOSE ITEMS AS WELL. BUT, SETBACKS, ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, LAND USE AND DENSITY COMPLIANCE, A COUPLE OF NOTES THAT ARE ON THE SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THE OVERALL DENSITY THAT'S PERMITTED PER THE ZONING TEXT, IS SIX UNITS AN ACRE, THE APPLICANT. OR THAT TRANSLATES ROUGHLY TO 196 UNITS, THE APPLICANT IS NOT EXCEEDING THAT AS PART OF THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE IS A SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE UNIQUE. JUST TO REMIND YOU GUYS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED FOR EVERY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT, THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THAT IF NOT EXCEEDING THAT, AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION TRAFFIC. THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS, WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED AS PART OF THE ZONING. THE ZONING APPROVAL, WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THE, THE MAYOR AND THE REST OF CITY COUNCIL, DIRECTED CITY STAFF TO HIRE AN INDEPENDENT, TRAFFIC, ENGINEER TO VERIFY OR VALIDATE THE RESULTS OF THAT PRIVATE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THOSE, THAT, THAT INDEPENDENT STUDY WAS COMPLETED AND THEY DID VERIFY ALL OF THE RESULTS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY. LET'S SEE A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO REFRESH, EVERYONE'S MEMORY HERE, THIS IS REALLY MEANT FOR THE ARB, BUT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THROUGH IT WITH YOU GUYS AS WELL. YOU GUYS ARE A LITTLE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT. SO AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT FOR SINGLE FAMILY, DWELLINGS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE GENERAL ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, THIS IS AND THE MORE YOU KNOW, REFINED BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OR, YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S SHOWN HERE. SO, THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL FROM WHAT OR HOW OTHER SUBDIVISIONS HAVE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTRY CLUB OR LIKE ELY CROSSING OR STRAITS FARMS. REALLY? WHAT YOU'LL LOOK AT AT THE TIME OF THE FINAL DEVELOP PLAN IS YOU'LL SEE THE LOT. SO THIS IS SUBAREA THREE. YOU'LL SEE ALL THE LOTS AND GENERAL ILLUSTRATIONS OF AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, PRETTY DETAILED ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED HERE. BUT, AND AGAIN, HERE IN SUBAREA FIVE, BUT THE, THE FINAL DESIGN, YOU KNOW, THE FULL BUILDING, APPROVAL, BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL WILL HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THE FINAL DEVELOP PLAN PROCESS. YOU'LL JUST APPROVE THE GENERAL ILLUSTRATIONS OR MODELS THAT THEY THAT THEY SHOW YOU AT THE FINAL DEVELOP PLAN HEARING, THAT THAT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO SOME OF THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE SHOWN HERE IN SUBAREA THREE. AND THEN AGAIN FOR THE APARTMENT BUILDING AND THE COMMERCIAL USES, YOU GUYS WILL SEE VERY, VERY DETAILED, ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS FOR THOSE. LET ME GO BACK HERE. PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT. SO THE ZONING TEXT AND CITY CODE REQUIRES THAT A MINIMUM OF 20, 25, OF THE ENTIRE AREA BE DEDICATED AS PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. THE APPLICANT, LAST TIME WE CHECKED, THEY'RE LIKE 32, ALMOST 32, 33% OF THEIR ENTIRE AREA IS PARKLAND OPEN SPACE, SO THAT IS EXCEEDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE TODAY. WANTED TO JUST TOUCH BASE REAL QUICK, JUST AS A REMINDER ON WAIVERS OR DEVIATIONS FROM THE ZONING TEXT REQUIREMENTS. SO 
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TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY VARIANCES ARE DEVIATIONS FROM THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. DO NOT FOLLOW THE VARIANCE PROCESS THEY FIRE. FOLLOW THE WAIVER PROCESS AS APPROVED, AND THE ZONING TEXT. THE WAIVER CRITERIA IS LISTED HERE ON THE. THE SCREEN THERE. SO THE WAY THAT IT'LL WORK WITH AS PART OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION IS, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL DEVELOPED PLAN APPLICATION WILL BE, WILL BE HEARD BY THE ARB, INCLUDING THE WAIVERS, AND THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU GUYS ON THE FDP ITSELF, PLUS ANY WAIVERS THAT ARE REQUESTED. WE DO KNOW OF FIVE WAIVERS THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR, THAT I CAN JUST WALK THROUGH AGAIN, VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL. NOT SUPER, SUPER IN THE WEEDS, BUT THE FIRST ONE BEING THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ALLOW PUBLIC SIDEWALK TO BE FOUR FEET IN WIDTH, WHERE THE ZONING TEXT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET IN WIDTH, AND SUBAREAS THREE AND FIVE. SO THAT'S THIS SUB AREA AND THIS SUB AREA. AND THE INTENT BEHIND THAT IS WHAT ARE THEIR DESIRES TO DEVELOP THOSE AREAS TO BE SIMILAR TO OH MY GOSH, I ALWAYS FORGET THE NAME OF THAT SUBDIVISION. ASHTON GREEN ASHTON GROVE GREEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OFF OF 62, IT'S LIKE THE QUEEN ANNE STREETS AND THE ELY, ALSO ELY CROSSING IS WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF MODELING AFTER, YOU KNOW, REALLY NARROW STREETS, IT REALLY PROVIDES A CERTAIN FEEL, AND THOSE AND THOSE, THOSE SUBDIVISIONS THAT THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, HERE AS WELL, IN THOSE DIFFERENT SUBAREAS. AGAIN, I'LL LET THEM TALK ABOUT ALL THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHATNOT. BUT JUST AS A HEADS UP, LET ME GO BACK HERE, THEY'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ALLOW TWO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES TO FRONT ONTO 605, WHERE THE ZONING TEXT ONLY ALLOWS TOWNHOMES TO FRONT ONTO 605, AND THAT'S IN SUBAREA THREE. AND I CAN POINT THOSE OUT FOR YOU. SO THE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD BE THIS LOT. AND THIS LOT HERE. THOSE WOULD FRONT ONTO 605 WHERE THE TEXT ONLY ALLOWS TOWNHOMES, AGAIN, FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN DETAILS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROVIDE AN EVALUATION, OUR STAFF REPORT. BUT AT FACE VALUE, WHAT WE'VE WORKED THROUGH WITH THE DEVELOPER, IT, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN APPROPRIATE ASK, BUT WE'LL LET THEM GO THROUGH THEIR JUSTIFICATION. LET'S SEE, IN SUBAREA THREE, THEY'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ALLOW SOME TOWNHOMES TO BE 44FT TALL, WHERE THE ZONING TEXT STATES THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS 40FT TALL. SO THAT IS REALLY AND AGAIN, I WILL LET THEM GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS WITH YOU. BUT IT'S REALLY DUE TO DRIVEN BY GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN 600 AND 5 AS YOU GO FURTHER WEST INTO THE SITE. SO ALL OF THESE TOWNHOMES HERE AT GRADE WILL MEASURE ABOUT 40FT OR JUST UNDER 40FT. THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT GOING BACK OR WEST INTO THE SITE. BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE, THESE WILL ACTUALLY BE AROUND 44FT TALL. EXACT SAME PRODUCT, IT'S JUST DUE TO THE GRADE CHANGES, IT BUMPS THAT BUILDING HEIGHT UP AGAIN. WE'LL PROVIDE A FULL EVALUATION IN OUR STAFF REPORT. OBVIOUSLY IN THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN THE JUSTIFICATION, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN AN ISSUE WITH THAT ONE SO FAR. WAIVER TO THE DEGARS TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT THAT RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ENTRANCES MUST BE TWO FEET ABOVE GRADE, SO THAT IS, REQUIRING STEPS UP TO FRONT DOORS. AND AGAIN, JUST BRIEFLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS KIND OF WALKED US THROUGH. THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS IN NEW ALBANY THAT DON'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, OR HAVEN'T ADHERE TO THAT REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES DUE TO ADA CONCERNS, THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS DUE TO ADA CONCERNS, SO THAT'S JUST REALLY A TECHNICALITY THAT WE KIND OF FOUND IN THE, IN THE, IN THE GERS. WE'VE REALLY BEEN WORKING WITH THEM OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS TO LIKE, COMB THROUGH EVERY SINGLE REQUIREMENT. WE MEET WITH THEM LIKE EVERY TWO WEEKS. AND I FEEL LIKE I TALKED TO THEM MORE THAN I DO ANYTHING, HERE SOMETIMES, SO THE LAST WAIVER REQUIREMENT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAUGHT, LATE LAST WEEK, ACTUALLY, THEY CAUGHT THIS, SO THEY ARE IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA. SO THE SUBAREA ONE. SO THAT'S ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS HERE. SO THE ZONING TEXT, STATES THAT THERE'S A MAXIMUM AREA SQUARE OR A MAXIMUM AREA OF 10,000FT■!S FOR ANY SINE USER. SO THAT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUSH OUT OR PUT SOME LIMITATIONS ON LIKE A BIG BOX DEVELOPMENT TYPE COMING HERE. BUT THEY'VE RUN INTO IS THAT THEY'VE STARTED TALKING TO 3 OR 4 OFFICE DEVELOPERS AND LIKE THE BARE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S NEEDED FOR OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT NOW IS 12,000FT■!S. SO THEY'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ELIMINATE THAT REQUIREMENT ONLY FOR OFFICE. SO IT WOULD STILL APPLY TO LIKE RETAIL FOOD AND BEV, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING EXCEPT OFFICE, AGAIN, NOT A FROM WHAT THEY'VE EXPLAINED TO US. NOT A TALL ASK BY ANY MEANS. JUST JUST TO THEY CAN MEET THE MARKET WHERE IT'S AT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THE HAMLET. SO THE 
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SCHEDULE, SO, LIKE I SAID, THEY'LL BE BEFORE THE PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD ON AUGUST FIFTH, BECAUSE JUSTIN WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT TO DO AN INFORMAL PRESENTATION WITH YOU, HE WILL, COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON AUGUST 5TH AFTER THE PTA MEETING AT 7:00, AND DO AN INFORMAL RUN THROUGH WITH YOU GUYS MUCH MORE IN DEPTH AND IN DETAIL THAN WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU TONIGHT. AND THEN, THE, THE FORMAL ARB AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED YET. AS WE'RE WAITING ON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO BE SCHEDULED, THEIR FINAL CURRENTLY FINALIZING A LOT OF THE DESIGN, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, AT THIS TIME. SO ONCE WE GET THOSE SUBMITTALS, THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE THOSE MEETINGS. 
          PROBABLY IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER OR BE IN SEPTEMBER AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN SEPTEMBER, IS MOST LIKELY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, AGAIN, HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS FOR YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE. CHRIS, JUST ONE QUESTION, THE 40 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING, HOW MANY STORIES DID THEY END UP? I DO NOT KNOW. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE EXACT BUILDING ARCHITECTURE, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IT MEETS ALL OF THE STORIES AND HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT'S ALLOWED BACK THERE. SO WOULD IT BE SIMILAR IN HEIGHT TO THE TOWNHOMES? YEAH. 
          YEP. OKAY THERE MIGHT BE SOME LIKE, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT KIND OF JUST BUMP UP. 
          THAT'S ALLOWED. BUT YEAH, THE GENERALLY THE SAME HEIGHT. THANKS, CHRIS. VERY HELPFUL. 
          YEAH ANY OTHERS ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YEAH, SURE. DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT BUILDING MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR PROPERTY. SO FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, WHAT WE'VE SEEN ALL VERY, VERY HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS, BRICK PREDOMINANTLY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE AREA. YOU KNOW WHAT IS ALLOWED? I THINK HARDIPLANK MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN SOME, SOME SPECIFIC INSTANCES FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED IN THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, SIMILAR TO LIKE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER OR LIKE KESWICK AND. YEP. HUM. OKAY, AND THEN DO YOU KNOW HOW STORMWATER IS GOING TO BE HANDLED? YEAH SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, I THINK, NEIL WILL REMEMBER THIS MORE THAN ANYONE, BUT THERE'S ON THE ORIGINAL RENDITION, THERE WERE SOME STORMWATER BASINS SHOWN KIND OF IN AND AROUND THE CREEK AREA. I THINK GENERALLY IN THIS AREA UP HERE, AND MAYBE SOMETHING OVER HERE. SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGAIN, OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS, BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON UNDERGROUNDING A LOT OF THE STORMWATER UP IN THE SITE. A LOT OF THE PARKING AREA OVER HERE WILL BE PERVIOUS PAVERS, A LOT OF THE ON STREET PARKING ON THESE SIDE STREETS WILL BE PERVIOUS PAVERS, AND SOME DOWN HERE IN SUBAREA FIVE AS WELL. SO IT IS REALLY ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR MORE TRADITIONAL WET OR DRY ABOVE GROUND STORMWATER BASIN. THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING PRETTY UNIQUE, SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TYPICALLY SEEN DONE, BUT MEETS A LOT OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AS A CITY IS BY OUR RETENTION, IN THIS AREA AND A LIMITED AMOUNT UP HERE IN THIS AREA AS WELL. BUT YEAH, A PRETTY BIG DEPARTURE AWAY FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SHOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BETTER, ONE THING I DID MENTION, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, AND WE'LL POINT THIS OUT, BUT THIS HAS REALLY BEEN KIND OF A CITY INITIATIVE AS WELL ALONG 605. SO WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK. FROM THE COMMUNITY AFTER THIS APPLICATION ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY, OF THIS INTERSECTION AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, FEELS A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. AND HOW CAN WE SET THIS DOWN AND GET TRAFFIC TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY SLOW DOWN IN THIS AREA. SO AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE INSTALLING ON STREET PARKING SPACES AND A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES ALONG 605, THEY'RE GOING TO BE CURBING UP THAT ROADWAY, TO REALLY HELP SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN IN THIS AREA, AND CREATE, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF PUT THE ICING ON THE CAKE FOR WHAT THE HAMLET IS SUPPOSED TO FEEL LIKE ALONG THESE ROADS. THAT SIMILAR TREATMENT COULD BE APPLIED EVENTUALLY, ONE DAY, POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE ALONG CENTRAL COLLEGE. WE HAVE THE SPACE TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S NOT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. BUT THERE WOULD BE A REALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT. POSITIVE IMPROVEMENT ALONG 605, AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, I HAD HEARD THAT WHERE THE CITY IS TRYING TO GET, 605 TO NOT BE A US HIGHWAY, POTENTIALLY GET RE DESIGNATED AS A NON US, WHICH WOULD THEN CHANGE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND STUFF IT'S ALLOWED ON OR IS THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S PART PARTIALLY, RELATED TO THE MARKET STREET EXTENSION PROJECT, TO HELP BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TRUCKS DIVERT OUT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER VERSUS HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WHAT I'M AWARE THAT DOES NOT THAT'S NOT THE CASE UP HERE. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND HOPEFULLY THESE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE STREET WILL FURTHER, THIS DESIRE IS TO GET THE SPEED LIMIT REDUCED FROM 45 TO MINIMUM 35 IN THIS AREA. SO WE ACTUALLY CAN'T I'M TALKING TO JOE STEFANOFF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T COME IN AND ARTIFICIALLY JUST LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT 
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BECAUSE WE WANT TO THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF RULES THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. AND THE CITY COULD BE HELD LIABLE IF THEY ARTIFICIALLY REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT. AND CARS BY NATURE, YOU KNOW, BY NATURE. BUT THEY'RE GOING 45 MILES AN HOUR. YOU CAN'T JUST ARTIFICIALLY REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT CARS ARE TRAVELING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, A CERTAIN AVERAGE OF A DESIRED SPEED. SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT, WITH THIS, THIS MORE COMPACT DEVELOPMENT, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE ON 605, WE REALLY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WITH ONCE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ON, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO 35 MILES AN HOUR. PARDON ME? JUST AS TERRIFIED OF THOUGHTS ON PARALLEL PARKING OFF THE 605. YEAH, YEAH, I YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE AS STAFF IT WAS IT WAS A I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING OUT FOR LIKE THE PAST SIX MONTHS, LOTS OF ITERATIONS AND CONSULTING WITH OUR URBAN DESIGN CONSULTANT WITH OUR URBAN DESIGN GROUP, AND WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT TREATMENT TO HELP. KIND OF PUT THE ICING ON THE CAKE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THAT, IS THERE A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT THAT IT HAD THERE WAS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. IT HAD TO BE RETAIL OR I MEAN, COULD THEY BUILD ALL OFFICE SPACE THERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW THE ZONING. NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S, WELL AND AGAIN, THE, PROBABLY THE, THE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WHO THEY'RE GOING TO PUT WHERE NUMBER ONE IS PROBABLY NONE AT THIS POINT, BUT I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO IT. BUT IT'S NOT THEIR DESIRE TO LOAD THIS UP WITH OFFICE. THEY WANT TO HAVE A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT USES TO CREATE A REALLY GOOD VIBRANCY AROUND THAT, THAT CENTRALIZED GREEN, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT LANGUAGE IN THE ZONING TEXT. WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR INTENT WHATSOEVER TO LOAD THAT UP WITH OFFICE. OKAY THANK YOU. THANKS CHRIS. THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. AND ANDREA. YES. SO, ONE OF THE INITIATIVES OF THE IDEA PANEL IS THIS COMMUNITY CONNECTORS PROGRAM. AND, WE JUST LAUNCHED IT LAST WEEK WAS THE BIG, REVEAL IN, A FACEBOOK VIDEO OR VIDEO ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. AND THEN ALSO, A PRESENCE AT THE, EAGLES CONCERT, WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN VISITED BY A CUTE LITTLE REDHEAD PASSING OUT THESE FLIERS, WHICH IS MY DAUGHTER, HERE YOU GO. SO THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PROGRAM IS TO FIND SOMEBODY IN IN EACH OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND MY LINKS FRIENDS WHO ARE IN HERE, I HOPE YOU NOTICE THAT THERE IS JUST ONE BLOCK RIGHT NOW FOR THE LINKS. AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE EXPANDED TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE MANY, MANY AREAS OF THE LINKS, BUT WHAT WE WOULD HOPE IS THAT FOR WANT FOR THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WILL BE ONE OR MORE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE DESIGNATED AS A COMMUNITY CONNECTOR. AND THEY WOULD, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ATTENDING CITY TRAINING, AND THEN BEING BASICALLY A POINT OF CONTACT BETWEEN THE PROGRAM LEAD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEIR GOALS ARE TO WELCOME, NEW RESIDENTS AND MAKE THEM FEEL CONNECTED WITH, LIKE, RESOURCES AND KIND OF TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET AROUND NEW ALBANY. WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT NEW ALBANY? WHAT'S FOUNDER'S DAY, RIGHT. HOW DO YOU CONTACT THE SCHOOL? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, AND THEN WE AND WE WE'RE WORKING ON A GIFT FOR THEM TO GIVE TO DROP OFF AT THE DOORSTEP, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A MUG OR A CANDLE, BUT SOMETHING TANGIBLE TO SAY. WELCOME TO NEW ALBANY. THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND ME AND GIVE THEM THEIR PHONE NUMBER SO THEY CAN HAVE FUTURE CONTACT, AND THEN WE WANT THEM TO WE'RE ASKING THE COMMUNITY CONNECTORS TO COMMIT TO ONE EVENT A YEAR, CONNECT LIKE WITH THE WITH THE RESIDENTS, TO HELP THEM GET TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEN TO PROVIDE, INFORMATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO COMMUNICATE SOMETHING BIG THAT'S GOING ON THAT THEY WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP THAT INFORMATION GET TO THE RESIDENTS. SO WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY CONNECTORS TO RAISE THEIR HANDS. IF YOU IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT OR IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THIS. WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD OUR TEAM, AND YOU CAN SIGN UP, AT THIS QR CODE OR ON THE CITY WEBSITE, AND IF THERE ARE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR EDITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAP, LIKE FROM PEOPLE WHO LIKE, KNOW, WELL, THIS IS ACTUALLY LIKE A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD INSIDE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PROBABLY DESERVES ITS OWN COMMUNITY CONNECTOR, THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS ALL VERY NEW, VERY NEW PROGRAM. EXCELLENT. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. 
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DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OTHER BUSINESS? FOR MEMBERS ARE COMING. SARAH. NOTHING FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. NOTHING FOR ME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. FOR MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. NO COMMENT. THAT SOUNDS INTERESTING. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND
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