Aug 20, 2024 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE NEW ALBANY CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR TUESDAY, AUGUST 20TH. I WOULD INVITE EVERYONE TO PLEASE STAND WITH COUNCIL AND RECITE OUR NATIONAL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE COURT. MASON. THE ROLL, PLEASE. AND IF COUNCIL WILL TURN ON THEIR MICROPHONES. MAYOR SPALDING. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISKE. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

DEREK. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

SHULL. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. HERE. I HAVE SEVEN PRESENT FOR THE AUGUST 2024,

[4. ACTION ON MINUTES]

[6. HEARING OF VISITORS]

MY NAME IS. JEN. CAN YOU GRAB THE MICROPHONE FOR HER? YES. THANKS THANK. HOW'S THAT? IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY DEAR. IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. YES, MA'AM. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

I HAVE PROBLEMS IN CHURCH WITH MY. YOU'RE DOING WELL. SANDRA FROM GROVE CITY. YES, I GET THAT RIGHT. WELL, WELCOME. GROVE CITY, OHIO. I AM A STATE OF OHIO AMBASSADOR FOR CHANGE AGAINST DISTRACTED DRIVING AND CROSSWALK LAWS. I AM ADVOCATING TO CHANGE THE CULTURE OF THE OF THE STATE BEING ADVOCATING TO CHANGE THE CULTURE. THAT'S LIKE I SAID, BEGINNING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND PROMOTING A MORE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES TO REDUCE DISTRACTED DRIVING. NOW I AM ALSO WANTING TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE HARSHER PENALTIES AND MORE RIGID ENFORCEMENT AGAINST DISTRACTED DRIVERS TO MAKE THE MOTORIST MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS BEHIND THE WHEEL WHILE DRIVING.

I AM HERE TO RAISE AWARENESS FOR OUR CITIZEN AND PROJECTION OF THE DANGER OF DISTRACTED DRIVING, AND EVERYONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO JUSTICE FOR INJURING A PERSON. TAKING YOUR EYES OFF THE ROAD FOR WHATEVER REASON CAN CAUSE YOU TO DRIVE DISTRACTED. THE DRIVER SHOULD PAY A HIGHER PENALTY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. DISTRACTED DRIVING IS DANGEROUS AND CAN CAUSE CATASTROPHIC INJURIES. I KNOW, AND PARALLELIZATION. THESE TYPES OF INJURIES CAN BE LONG LASTING AND YOU MAY NEVER HEAL FROM IT. DRIVERS NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS WHEN DRIVING. THOSE WHO DRIVE DISTRACTED AND CAUSED BODILY INJURIES TO OTHERS

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THANK YOU, MISS. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO NEW ALBANY TONIGHT TO SHARE THAT REQUEST. AND WE'RE CERTAINLY SADDENED TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR SON'S INCIDENT, I KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, OUR CITY MANAGER, HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND SUPPORTING THE STATE'S EFFORT TO MAKE DISTRACTED DRIVING A, AN OFFENSE THAT THEY CAN USE FOR PRIMARY OFFENSE. PULL OVER MOTORIST THAT'S DISTRACTED DRIVING. AND ALL OF US THAT TRAVEL THE ROADWAYS SEE DISTRACTED DRIVING EVERY DAY, IT IS IT IS DANGEROUS. IT IS A PROBLEM. IT'S ONLY GETTING WORS, I THINK. REGRETTABLY, SO I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE YOUR ADVOCACY ON THIS ISSUE, AND I WILL COMMIT TO WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO EVALUATE, OUR ABILITY TO MODIFY THE MISDEMEANOR CHARGES. FOR DISTRACTED DRIVING AND WHAT THOSE PENALTIES WOULD BE, JUST AGAIN, TO RAISE, AWARENESS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, EVEN $750 TO $1000 FOR A CRIMINAL FINE IS, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR SOME PEOPLE. IT'S NOT A LOT FOR OTHERS, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE

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[7. BOARD/COMMISSION REPORTS]

IT WILL JUST BE PART OF THE LARGER PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THEY WANTED TO SELL THE PARCELS TOGETHER AND IMPROVE THE LOT. THEY MIGHT PUT SOME PATHS ON THERE. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL, THE LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS, WAS THE, THIS EIGHT, CAR, GARAGE SLASH HOUSE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE REMEMBERED THIS ITEM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED DOWN A PROPOSAL TO HAVE A PROPERTY, A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON HAWKSMOOR THAT WAS PRIMARILY A GARAGE. AND NOT REALLY A HOUSE AFTER IT WAS REJECTED. THEY RETOOLED THE DESIGN TO LOOK LIKE A HOUSE WITH A BEDROOM IN IT, BUT IT IS REALLY, HAS A SPACE FOR EIGHT CARS, AND IT LOOKS REALLY BEAUTIFUL, BUT THE ARCHITECTURE LOOKS, FITS IN WITH THE FARMS IN HAWKSMOOR. AND IT IS ORIENTED TO THE STREET THAT PASSED 3 TO 1, WITH ONE MEMBER VOTING AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT'S. HE FELT LIKE IT STILL LOOKED TOO MUCH LIKE A GARAGE. AND THAT WAS PLANNING COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT UPDATE? ALL RIGHT. PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD, NO MEETING. ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, WE HAD A MEETING, THERE WAS ONE. EXCUSE ME.

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IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING OR WAS THAT THE LAST? SO, MAYBE I'LL LET STEVE EXPLAIN IT, BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME, BUT I DON'T THINK ARB HAS ANY MORE VOTE ON THAT IF I'M, IF I THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON THAT. CORRECT. THEY WILL ACTUALLY. OH THEY WILL IT WILL COME BACK TO THEM AGAIN. YEAH. SO THE HAMLET HAS SUBMITTED A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION THAT'S GONE BEFORE THE PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD, AS REPORTED BACK AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, IS WHEN THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION WILL FORMALLY HEAR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FOR THE HAMLET. OKAY THERE YOU GO, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, WAS THERE ANY PUBLIC, QUESTIONS, FEEDBACK DURING THAT PRESENTATION? THERE WAS ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, TRICIA WAS THERE, AND SHE SEEMED OVERALL VERY POSITIVE. BUT SHE DID, WANT TO REINFORCE, PLEASE, BECAUSE THERE WERE THERE WAS A MENTION OF THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED THIS TO FEEL MORE WELL, LESS FORMAL THAN THE CENTER OF THE CITY. THEY MADE A POINT OF SAYING THAT THAT PHRASE A FEW TIMES IN THE DESIGN, IT IS NOT, IT'S I CALLED IT NEW ALBANY INFORMAL. I MEAN, IT'S VERY HIGH END FINISHES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT SLIGHTLY KNOCKED DOWN IN TERMS OF DETAIL ARCHITECTURALLY AND THAT SORT OF THING AS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY. AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THAT WAS VERY DELIBERATE. AND TRICIA JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY THEY ARE CAUTIONED THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE NORTH OF 161 DON'T WANT THAT TO BE TOO INFORMAL. AND TO PLEASE BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT. GREAT ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT UPDATE, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS? NO MEETING. SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD. YES, WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY, THERE WERE A FEW, AGENDA ITEMS, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD THERE'S BEEN SOME INTEREST ON THE, THE BOARD FOR POTENTIALLY DOING NATIVE PLANTINGS IN LIEU OF TURF, IN THE COMMUNITY, SO KIND OF THE FIRST STEP IN THAT PROCESS IS TO POTENTIALLY DO A TEST AREA. AND I THINK PETE BARNES COINED THE TERM POCKET PRAIRIES, SO WE MIGHT TRY TO DO A POCKET PRAIRIE AND A COUPLE DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND TOWN. JUST, YOU KNOW, SMALL SAMPLES TO SEE HOW IT LOOKS. AND WE HAD A PRESENTATION WHERE IN DIFFERENT, ITERATIONS OF NATIVE PLANTINGS COULD BE

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SO THEY, THEIR GOAL WAS TO INCREASE, COMPOST REGISTRATIONS FOR THE CITY. I THINK THEIR INITIAL GOAL WAS 30. THEIR STRETCH GOAL WAS 100, AND THEY ENDED UP GETTING 108 ADDITIONAL REGISTRATIONS TO THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM, SO THEY I MEAN, AND WE'VE SHARED IN THE PAST THEY DID, YOU KNOW, STORY TIME AT THE LIBRARY. THEY THEY REALLY KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK AND VERY COOLLY, THEY BROUGHT A GIFT OF SOME FLOWERS, FOR THE BOARD AND WITH A NOTE. THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING IN US. AND SUPPORTING US. WE HAD SO MUCH FUN WITH THIS PROJECT AND LEARNED SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR THE GENEROUS GRANT TO HELP US MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMUNITY. GO GREEN NOEL AND NOEL. SO KIND OF EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE SHOOTING FOR, WHEN WE LAUNCHED THE PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE BOARD. SO AGAIN, THEY THEY KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK AND DID A FANTASTIC JOB, THE FINAL ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS POTENTIALLY ADDING A FOURTH COMPOSTING DROP OFF AT TAYLOR FARM, THERE'S BEEN SOME INTEREST IN KIND OF GEOGRAPHICALLY THAT MAKES SENSE. AND IT'S ALSO, GOING TO BE A VISIBLE LOCATION WHERE FOLKS CAN SAY, OH, GEEZ, THEY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE KNOWN THAT WE HAD A COMPOSTING PROGRAM. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, UNLESS THERE'S A, AN ISSUE WITH COUNCIL, WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE NOT USED FOR THIS YEAR TO ADD. I THINK IT'LL BE $6,500 ANNUALLY. WE COULD PRORATE THAT FOR WHAT'S LEFT IN THE YEAR. BUT WE'RE GOING TO ADD A FOURTH, COMPOSTING LOCATION AT TAYLOR FARM, AS A TRIAL AND SEE HOW THAT AFFECTS THE OTHER COMPOSTING AREAS. AND THEN WHEN WE GO BACK FIRST OF THE YEAR, WE'LL KIND OF REEVALUATE IF WE NEED ALL FOUR, IF WE WANT TO CUT ONE OUT, BUT LIKE, I SAID, WE DO HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO AT LEAST TEST THAT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OBJECTIONS. SO THIS NEED TO BE STRATEGICALLY PLACED BECAUSE OF THE ODOR THAT THEY MIGHT THROW OUT IN THE SUMMERTIME. NOT REALLY, I MEAN, THEY'RE THE TRASH CANS ARE ENCLOSED. I MEAN, I USE THE ONES PRIMARILY OUT BACK HERE, AND YOU REALLY DON'T SMELL ANYTHING UNTIL YOU OPEN THE LID. YEAH, AS LONG AS THEY'RE PROPERLY AND THEY CHANGE THEM, IN 2 OR 3 TIMES A WEEK. SO YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE A DUMPSTER WHERE YOU SMELL IT COMING. SAID NO, NO QUESTION.

GOOD QUESTION, YEAH. SO, THAT WAS SUSTAINABLE. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. MAYBE SHARING THE COMPOSTING LOCATION WILL GET EVEN MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN COMPOSTING THAT LIVE OVER THERE.

YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE FLOWERS. WE WERE JUST LIKE A LATE CELEBRATION FROM YOUR ANNIVERSARY OR. GYPSY FLOWERS. ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT UPDATE? ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING FROM THE IDEA OF IMPLEMENTATION MAP, WE HAD A MEETING, WE ARE FULL STEAM AHEAD FOR DIWALI, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. AND WE HAVE BEEN COLLECTING, INTEREST FORMS FOR THE COMMUNITY CONNECTORS PROGRAM. THERE'S BEEN A GOOD AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN THAT. AND I BELIEVE TOMORROW, IS OUR BUSINESS PARK TOUR, RIGHT. IS THAT. YEAH TOMORROW AT FOUR, FIVE AND SIX. THAT'S SOLD OUT, I BELIEVE. CORRECT YEAH. SO IT SHOULD BE A GREAT WAY FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE AND JUST TO SORT OF PULL COUNCIL'S ANY, ANY OF US ABLE TO ATTEND THAT I WILL UNFORTUNATELY NOT BE AVAILABLE. I'LL BE THERE. YEAH. I'LL BE THERE. MARLENE AND ANDREA, ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING GOOD AMBASSADORS FOR THE COMMUNITY ON THOSE TOURS. I'M SURE THEY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. YEP, YEP. ALL RIGHT, ANY UPDATE FROM THE CEMETERY RESTORATION ADVISORY BOARD? NO MEETING. AND THERE WAS NO

[8. CORRESPONDENCE/COMMUNICATIONS]

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[9. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC HEARING]

COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES. VOTES TO ADOPT. ORDINANCE OH 25 2024. ORDINANCE OH 26 2024. AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 159 RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SECTION 159 02D OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, OHIO, CODIFIED ORDINANCES AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY PORTRAYS THIS ORDINANCE SUPPORTS WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE FOR THAT LAST ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 159 OF THE CITY'S CODIFIED ORDINANCES CONTAINS THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THE STANDARD RULES RECEIVED A SUBSTANTIAL REVIEW AND REVISIONS IN 2023, IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION AT THE JULY 18TH COUNCIL MEETING, STAFF PREPARED THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO ALLOW COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND EXCUSE ABSENCES UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, SPECIFICALLY, THE NEW LANGUAGE STATES THAT ABSENCES ARE GROUNDS FOR FORFEITURE AND DESCRIBE THE WAY IN WHICH COUNCIL COULD EXCUSE ABSENCES DUE TO ILLNESS, INJURY OR OTHER EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE OF A MEMBER OR IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER. ADDITIONAL PROCEDURAL LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ABSENCE LANGUAGE, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 26 2020 FOR. HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE MOVE TO ADOPT? OH 26 2024 SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER BISQUE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIS YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. ORDINANCE OH 26 2024. ORDINANCE OH 27 2024. AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY BY AMENDING THE ZONING MAP TO REZONE 11.44 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 7800 WALTON PARKWAY FOR AN AREA TO BE KNOWN AS THE 7800 WALTON PARKWAY ZONING DISTRICT. FORMERLY KNOWN AS COMMERCIAL VEHICLE GROUP ZONING DISTRICT FROM ITS CURRENT ZONING OF LIMITED OFFICE CAMPUS DISTRICT L, O, C, D TO LIMITED GENERAL EMPLOYMENT LGA AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. SINCE THE FIRST READING, CITY STAFF HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL

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COUNCIL MEMBER. KIS YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES. VOTES TO TABLE. ORDINANCE OH 27 2024 TO THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. ORDINANCE OH 28 2024. AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY BY AMENDING THE ZONING MAP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 108.1 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROUTE ONE, 61 EAST OF US 62, NORTH OF EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD, AND WEST OF KITZMILLER ROAD FROM COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CPD TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD FOR AN AREA TO BE KNOWN AS THE GAN KPD ZONING DISTRICT, AS REQUESTED BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, LLC. CARE OF AARON UNDERHILL, ESQUIRE. MR. MAYOR, I THINK YOU HAVE THIS ONE TOO. YES. THANK YOU SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S VILLAGE CENTER, AND IT'S GENERALLY OUTLINED BY THE ROSE RUN CREEK ON THE WEST SIDE. 161 ON THE NORTH. AND THEN DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO TODAY THE PROPERTY, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED IS ZONED KPD. IT IS WITHIN ONE SUBAREA OF THE 1998 NACO KPD. IT CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR 294 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL USES AND SOME COMMUNITY FACILITIES WHICH DOES INCLUDE HOSPITALS. WHAT THE APPLICANT IS DOING IS PROPOSING TO MODERNIZE AND ADD MORE STRUCTURE TO THE REGULATIONS. BY DIVVYING UP THE ONE SUB AREA INTO THREE. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE SUB AREAS THAT ARE TYPICALLY BOUNDED OR ARE BOUNDED BY THE FUTURE GANNON PARKWAY EXTENSION. SO IT HAS RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEN COMMERCIAL USES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CANTON PARKWAY. AND SO HERE'S AN OVERALL BREAKDOWN. SO ON THE SOUTH ON THE NORTH SIDE IN SUDBURY, ONE IN BLUE IS HOSPITALS, SURGERY CENTERS, OFFICE USES THE ORANGE SUBAREA, TWO IS JUST OFFICE NOT DATA CENTERS. AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS THE SAME 294 RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE ENTIRE ZONING DISTRICT TODAY. SO JUST AS A WAY OF HISTORY, AS PART OF THE 1998 NACO KPD, THE CITY AND NACO ENTERED INTO THE HOUSING BANK. AND THIS ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO MOVE AROUND UNITS FROM ALL OF THEIR HOLDINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SO THIS ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY, SUCH AS GANNON. HERE BUT STILL ENSURES THAT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE RETAINS THAT ONE UNIT PER ACRE AND SO ESSENTIALLY TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS TRANSFERRING THOSE UNITS FROM THE OVERALL GAIN AREA JUST TO SUBAREA THREE. WITHIN SUBAREA THREE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOMETHING VERY, LET'S SAY UNIQUE. AND THIS IS A WAY OF MODERNIZING IT INSTEAD OF CREATING OR, YOU KNOW, RECREATING THE WHEEL. SO TO SPEAK, AND CREATING THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL. THEY'RE ACTUALLY JUST REFERENCING THE CITY'S FORM BASED CODE FOR USE IN BUILDING STANDARDS. SO THE FORM BASED CODE ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY IN USES, BUT ESTABLISHES AND REQUIRES CERTAIN BUILDING TYPOLOGIES ARE CONSTRUCTED IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE DESIRED TRADITIONAL TOWN FORM IS ACHIEVED WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO EACH OF THESE USES THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE HAS TO FIT WITHIN ONE OF THESE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ALSO SOME MULTI-FAMILY. AND AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING STAFF WAS ASKED TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT MEANS. AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT ARE PERMITTED. AND AGAIN EACH OF THESE ARE JUST PULLED

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SO THIS IS ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT ACTUALLY HAS TWO UNITS INSIDE A TOWNHOME OR A MULTI UNIT HOUSE. AND IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. BUT IT SAYS THIS IS A STRUCTURE, THAT KIND OF LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE A HOUSE BUT HAS UNITS EITHER ON THE SIDE OR ABOVE EACH OTHER.

AND THIS CONTAINS JUST TYPICALLY 3 TO 4 UNITS. SO THIS IS WHAT THE, THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE TO CONFORM TO WITHIN SUBAREA THREE. SO THIS IS A PUD SINCE IT'S OVER 100 ACRES. SO THERE IS A THREE STEP ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. SO THIS IS THE REZONING IS JUST STEP ONE. THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND GO BEFORE THE CITY'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN THE FINAL STEP IS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT ALSO HAS TO GO BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THIS AREA IS WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO THE VILLAGE CENTER, IN WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, DOES NOT HAVE A GROSS DENSITY RECOMMENDATION. SO OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER, THAT'S THE ONE UNIT PER ACRE. HOWEVER WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTERS WHERE THE STRATEGIC PLAN ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES AND RECOMMENDS A BROADER ARRAY OF HOUSING TYPES, AND ADDITIONAL DENSITY IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THOSE AMENITIES WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND THEN THE CITY'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION BOTH REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REZONING EARLIER THIS SUMMER, AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. MR. MAYOR, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE DEDICATION FOR THE ENTIRE ZONING DISTRICT. WHAT WAS HOW MUCH WAS THAT? YES, THANK YOU. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING AND COMMITTING TO THIS, GIVING THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE THAT IS REQUIRED TODAY. SO THAT'S 38 ACRES ON THIS, YOU KNOW, LITTLE OVER 100 ACRE SITE, PART OF THAT 38 ACRE COMMITMENT INCLUDES A 100 FOOT PARKLAND DEDICATION ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF ROSE RUN CREEK HERE WITHIN SUBAREA THREE. OKAY STEVE, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE 290 UNITS. SO IF THERE'S ONE, ONE BUILDING OR HOUSE THAT HAS FOUR UNITS, THAT COUNTS TOWARDS THE 290 UNITS OR SO, THAT WOULD BE IF IT'S A FOUR UNIT HOUSE, THAT'D BE FOUR UNITS. OF THOSE 294. I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION OF DIFFERENT HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, THE ONE THING I KNOW, IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR DECISION, BUT AS PLANNING COMMISSION GETS FURTHER DOCUMENTS ON THE DESIGN, WHEN I THINK ABOUT 294 RESIDENTS, IN ADDITION TO THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC, CERTAINLY GANTON PARKWAY HANDLES A LOT OF WHAT WILL BE COMMERCIAL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL. BUT I CAN ALSO ENVISION A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC DROPPING DOWN ONTO OLD 161. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC AND MOVEMENT WITH MARKET STREET EXTENSION COMING THROUGH THERE, AND I THINK A LOT OF ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE PAID TO TRAFFIC STUDIES AND HOW ALL OF THAT WILL BE IMPACTED ON A ON A VERY NARROW TWO LANE ROAD TODAY, ESPECIALLY AS THE FEEDERS OUT OF THAT RESIDENTIAL ARE PROBABLY NOT ALL GOING TO FEED ONTO GANTON PARKWAY. I WOULD PRESUME. SO MORE AWARENESS THAN AND ATTENTION TO THAT GOING FORWARD AS DESIGNS OCCUR. YEAH. SO THE ZONING TEXT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY CONNECTIONS ONTO KITZMILLER ROAD. AND IT DOES RESTRICT IT, I BELIEVE JUST TO ONE ACCESS POINT ALONG DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW GANTON PARKWAY, WHICH IS THE ARTERIAL ARTERIAL STREET, IS COLLECTING ALL THAT TRAFFIC. SO VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING WILL GO ON TO GANTON PARKWAY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO LIKE WE AGREE WITH YOUR CONCERN, THAT SECTION OF GANTON PARKWAY, IS HAS BEEN, DETERMINED TO NEED ABOUT FIVE LANES THERE. WELL LET ME CLARIFY THAT FOUR THROUGH LANES WITH A MEDIAN. SO IT WOULD LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE FODOR ROAD. AND THEN THAT WOULD TRANSITION AS YOU MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST INTO A THREE LANE SECTION. AND THEN IT WOULD FLARE BACK OUT AGAIN TO A FIVE LANE SECTION AS YOU GET CLOSER TO BABBITT ROAD. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DETERMINE WHAT ROAD SECTION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ACCOMMODATE THE KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE PROJECTING IN THE FUTURE. OKAY AND ONLY THERE WAS ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT TO 161 FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION THERE. SUBAREA B, RIGHT? YEAH. ONLY ONE IS CONTEMPLATED. A LOT OF TRAFFIC IS THIESSEN GOING TO BE RENAMED GANTON, WHERE IT

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THIS PARCEL, 108 ACRES, HAS BEEN ZONED SINCE 1998 FOR 294 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON LOTS, A MINIMUM OF 80FT IN WIDTH. FAST FORWARD TO TODAY. WE ARE SO PLEASED TO BE HERE THROUGH THE GENEROSITY OF THE WEXNER FAMILY AND THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, TO DONATE 25 ACRES FOR THE NEXT NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL FACILITY TO BE LOCATED ON THAT 25 ACRES. WE BELIEVE THAT WILL BRING A MUCH NEEDED SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE COULDN'T BE HAPPIER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT. THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT THAT'S WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS REZONING REQUEST TO BEGIN WITH. THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH, THAT LAND DONATION, VERY LENGTHY, DETAILED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT STARTED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHEN I WORKED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AT THE SCHOOL'S REQUEST, TO COME UP WITH A MODEL FOR, PROJECTING IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE EXISTING ZONING ENTITLEMENTS ON ON THIS PIECE WAS SEEN AS SOMETHING THAT THEY FOUND THREATENING IS TOO STRONG OF A WORD, BUT SEVERELY IMPACTFUL BASED ON BASED ON THEIR CALCULATIONS OF WHAT THEY SAW AS HIGH GENERATING CHILDREN INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AS A RESULT OF THAT, AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE HAVE COME IN WITH A REZONING REQUEST TO KEEP THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT CHANGE THE PROFILE OF THOSE UNITS FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON 80 FOOT LOTS TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT. AND WHEN I SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT, WE WENT BACK TO THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN AND PLANNING EFFORTS AND VILLAGE PLANNING RECOMMENDATIONS, AND USE THAT AS THE BASIS TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT WILL BE. THERE ARE MANY STEPS AHEAD OF US TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT SUBAREA THREE WILL LOOK LIKE. WE COMMITTED TO THE 30 ACRES OF PARKLAND AND OPEN SPAC, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 108 ACRE ACRE PIECE, TRAFFIC IS ABSOLUTELY AN ENORMOUS COMPONENT. HOW THAT WILL ALL FOLD IN TO THE ULTIMATE DESIGN OF GANTON PARKWAY AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH RELATED TO A HOSPITAL. SO TRAFFIC IS UNQUESTIONABLY A BIG DRIVING FORCE TO THIS. THE CONSTRUCTION GANTON PARKWAY, THE CONSTRUCTION AND EXTENSION OF MARKET STREET, ALL OF THE WORK THAT THE CITY IS DOING WITH THE MODIFICATION OF THE THIRD STREET IN 62, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO 62 THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO DATE THROUGH VARIOUS GRANTS AND FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS FROM THE CITY ARE ALL PART AND PARCEL OF A BIGGER EQUATION, ANY FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN SUBAREA THREE HAS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THAT INCLUDES ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE

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THEY COULD ALL BE OWNER OCCUPIED PRODUCT. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO ANY OF THOSE. WE WILL UNEQUIVOCALLY WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF, USE THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED AND ESTABLISHED AS A GUIDING FORCE TO ESTABLISH A PLAN THAT WILL THEN ULTIMATELY COME BEFORE ALL OF THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT AGAIN, THE IMPETUS FOR THIS REZONING REQUEST IS, IS THE LAND DONATION TO MAKE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL A REALITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY. AND I WAS NOT HERE LAST TIME TO THANK YOU, I THINK THAT IT IS AN AMAZING GIFT TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT THAT IS A SERVICE THAT IS THAT IS VERY MUCH NEEDED HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. I WHEN I REVIEWED THIS, PLANNING COMMISSION, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SCHOOL STUDY THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THE MASTER FACILITIES PLAN USED A POINT, A LOAD FACTOR FOR THOSE A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, I BELIEVE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. YES, YES THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IN MY MIND, ANY THE FACT THAT THAT LAND IS NOW GOING TO BE TAKEN UP BY A HOSPITAL, UP BY A MEDICAL FACILITY, WILL ONLY MAKE THE CASE FOR SCHOOL ENROLLMENT BETTER WITH THIS PROJECT THAN IT WAS PRIOR TO THE PROJECT. FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE REQUESTED TO DO AND WHAT WHAT WE ARE AIMING TO DO TO RESPOND TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, TO RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY.

YEAH, TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS A POSITIVE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND NOT A BURDEN TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. RUBY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 27 2024? I APOLOGIZE, 28 ORDINANCE OH 28 2024 HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE? MOVE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OH 28 2024? SECOND, I THINK IT'S 2027. OH, WE DIDN'T SAY 2728, 2028, 2028. WE TABLED 27. IT'S 20. SO I'M USUALLY THE ONE MESSING UP NOW. SO 23. OKAY. ORDINANCE 28 2024 YES, COUNCIL MEMBER FELLOWS. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. DULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

DEREK. YES SEVEN. YES. VOTES TO ADOPT ORDINANCE OH 28 2024. YES. AND THE NEXT ONE SAYS 2027.

THAT'S A TYPO ON ORDINANCE OH 29 ON YOUR AGENDAS ORDINANCE OH 29 2024 AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT AND ACCEPT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION FOR GANTON PARKWAY WEST PHASE THREE AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY OF NORTH. SO THIS IS FOR AN EXTENSION OF GANTON PARKWAY WEST. SO WE HAVE BEACH ROAD HERE, 161 AND THIS IS THE AMGEN SITE. SO THIS EXTENDS CAM PARKWAY INTO FRANKLIN COUNTY. SO THIS IS THE PLAT SHOWN HERE. SO THIS SECTION OF GAYTON PARKWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 1400 LINEAR FEET IN LENGTH AND ENCOMPASSES ABOUT 3.8 ACRES. THE RIGHT OF WAY IS A TOTAL OF 100FT, AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS FOR DRAINAGE, UTILITY AND STREETSCAPE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD FOR A TOTAL OF OVER 150FT OF BUILDABLE ROAD SPACE, AND THE STREET SPACE IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS ROADWAY SECTION AND MATCHES THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLANS, CHARACTER AND FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. WITH TWO MONTHS AGO DURING THE SUMMER AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 29 2024 HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE. OH 29 SECOND. MAYOR

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YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES SEVEN. YES. VOTES TO ADOPT ORDINANCE OH 29 2024. INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING

[11. RESOLUTIONS AND PUBLIC HEARING]

RESOLUTION R 33 2024. A RESOLUTION DECLARING INTENT TO APPROPRIATE PROPERTY AND EASEMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF MAKING, REPAIRING, IMPROVING OR CONSTRUCTING GREEN CHAPEL ROAD NORTHWEST PHASE TWO AS EXTENDED TO JOIN WITH INTERSECTING ROADS WHICH ARE AND SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE. MR. OKAY. MR. JOHNSON, SORRY. THANK YOU. MAYOR THIS RESOLUTION DECLARES THE INTENT TO APPROPRIATE THE FEE. SIMPLE INTERESTS TO THE PROPERTY ALONG GREEN CHAPEL ROAD. THE SEGMENT OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD IS A LOCAL UNIMPROVED ROADWAY THAT RUNS EAST TO WEST, GENERALLY BETWEEN CLOVER VALLEY ROAD AND US 62. AN ADJACENT PORTION OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD WAS PREVIOUSLY IMPROVED, WITH GREEN CHAPEL PHASE ONE PROJECT. THIS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IS NECESSARY TO IMPROVE THE REMAINDER OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD WITH A CONSISTENT ROADWAY DESIGN. THE PLANNED ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WILL ACCOMMODATE AN IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE AREA. THIS RESOLUTION MAY BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION? I HAVE TO ADMIT, A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS AGO, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE RIDING MY BIKE, IT'S JUST IT'S SORT OF MIND BLOWING TO SEE HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, MILES OF ROADWAY HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS. SO HATS OFF TO THE TEAM AND OUR CONTRACTORS FOR THE GREAT WORK, BUT WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 36 2024 HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION? FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 33 2024 SECOND SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER KIST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL. MEMBER. DULL. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 33 2024. ALL RIGHT.

I KNOW IN SOME HOTELS THERE'S NO 13TH FLOOR. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IS THERE A REASON WE DON'T HAVE 34 AND 35. SKIP THEM. 33 WAS TABLED FROM THE LAST MEETING. YOU'VE ALREADY PASSED 34 AND 35. SO WE DON'T HAVE 36 FOR THE NEXT NEW ONE. OKAY. PERFECTLY GOOD ANSWER.

RESOLUTION R 36 2024 A RESOLUTION DECLARING INTENT TO APPROPRIATE PROPERTY AND EASEMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF MAKING, REPAIRING, IMPROVING OR CONSTRUCTING GREEN CHAPEL ROAD NORTHWEST. PHASE TWO AS EXTENDED TO JOIN WITH INTERSECTING ROADS WHICH ARE AND SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE. THANK YOU. JOHNSON THIS RESOLUTION DECLARES THE INTENT TO APPROPRIATE THE FEE, SIMPLE INTEREST AND EASEMENTS TO THE PROPERTIES ALONG GREEN CHAPEL ROAD. THIS SEGMENT OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD IS A LOCAL, UNIMPROVED ROADWAY THAT RUNS EAST TO WEST, GENERALLY BETWEEN CLOVER VALLEY ROAD AND US 62. AN ADJACENT PORTION OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD WAS PREVIOUSLY IMPROVED, WITH THE GREEN CHAPEL PHASE ONE PROJECT. THIS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IS NECESSARY TO IMPROVE THE REMAINDER OF GREEN CHAPEL ROAD, WITH A CONSISTENT ROADWAY DESIGN. THE PLANNED ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WILL ACCOMMODATE AND IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE AREA. THIS RESOLUTION MAY BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION 36 2024? HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 36 2024. SECOND, YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

FELLOW. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DULL YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES. VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 36 2024. RESOLUTION R 37, A RESOLUTION APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA AGREEMENT AND A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH VANTAGE DATA CENTERS, OHIO 11, LLC AND MAKING RELATED AUTHORIZATIONS. ZIEGLER. THANK YOU. MAYOR SPALDING. THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA AGREEMENT AND MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH VANTAGE DATA CENTERS, OHIO, LLC, OHIO 11, LLC. THE AGREEMENT PROVIDES A 100% REAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR 15 YEARS. THE PARENT COMPANY, VANTAGE DATA CENTERS MANAGEMENT, LLC, HEADQUARTERED IN DENVER, COLORADO, IS A LEADING GLOBAL DATA CENTER PROVIDER. THE COMPANY HAS 34 CAMPUSES IN FIVE

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AND I WOULD SAY PATIENCE WORKING THROUGH THE CRA AGREEMENT AND THE MOU, VANTAGE IS EXCITED TO BE IN NEW ALBANY. THIS HAS BEEN A TARGET MARKET FOR US FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND, SO FAR IT HAS MORE THAN LIVED UP TO ITS REPUTATION AS A RELIABLE PARTNER FOR BUSINESSES, AS SARAH MENTIONED, WE HAVE CAMPUSES ALL OVER THE WORLD. HOWEVER, AT YESTERDAY'S BOARD MEETING, THE NEW ALBANY WAS ONE OF THE TOP, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION. AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CAMPUS THAT WE'RE MORE EXCITED ABOUT. THE FUTURE OF THAN THIS ONE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO REPAYING YOUR COOPERATION AND BECOMING A VALUED CORPORATE CITIZEN, AND INVOLVING OURSELVES IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND OTHER CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT VANTAGE AS A COMPANY OR THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, AGAIN, WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION AND HOW YOU CAN SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, TO YOUR YOUR, YOUR OBSERVATION. YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A GOOD COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT HERE.

WE DELIVER ON OUR PROMISES AND OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS DELIVER ON THEIRS. BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DOING BUSINESS HERE. IT'S ABOUT BEING A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK ALL OF OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THERE IS THAT LEVEL OF EXPECTATION. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE, CONTRIBUTE NOT JUST TO THE SILICON HEARTLAND, BUT TO OUR COMMUNITY AT BROAD. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT HERE. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 37 2024? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 37 2024 SECOND.

MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHOLL YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

WILTROUT. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 37 2024. RESOLUTION R 38 2024 A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION, STATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND OR LOCAL TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AS REQUIRED. MR. BARKER? YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR, SO THIS IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL, PRELIMINARY LAYOUT OF A PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION HERE OF WALNUT STREET AND BEAVER ROAD. PUBLIC SERVICE FACILITY IS LOCATED KIND OF IN THIS TOP RIGHT CORNER, THIS IS CURRENTLY AN INTERSECTION THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN FRANKLIN COUNTY. IT'S IN THEIR JURISDICTION, HOWEVER, IT'S AN INTERSECTION THAT REALLY IMPACTS THE CITY IN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WAY, THE PARCEL HERE TO THE LEFT IS, IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. THAT WILL BE, A PORTION OF THAT WILL BECOME HOME TO THE JPD FIELD HOUSE, HERE IN VERY SOON. AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, ALL OF

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DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY, JUST JUST A QUESTION TO STAFF, IF, ASSUMING THIS PASSES, WE'LL HEAR IN 25 IF SOME SUPPORTIVE FUNDING COMES THROUGH, WHAT WOULD A TIMELINE BE POTENTIALLY ON THE PROJECT? THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. SO WE ARE YET TO FINAL DESIGN. SO THIS IS BASICALLY AT A PRELIMINARY LEVEL AT THIS POINT, WE DO INTEND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DESIGN BASICALLY OVER THE WINTER SO THAT WE'RE READY TO BUILD THIS AT SUCH TIME AS WE AS WE FIND OUT, THE AWARD WILL BE MADE AWARE OF IT IN JANUARY OF 2025, BUT THE FUNDING WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE. IF WE WERE SUCCESSFUL UNTIL JULY OF 2026 FOR CONSTRUCTION. OKAY, SO WE WILL BE KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM. THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN THE AREA RELATIVE TO THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MINDFUL OF OUR IMPACT TO OTHER THINGS AROUND US. BUT THAT'S THE APPROXIMATE TIME. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MIKE I THINK THAT AWARD DATE MAY BE JULY 1ST, 2025 OR 26. DID I SAY I SAID, YEAH, IT'S 2025.

IT'S THE SAME FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. THAT THE CONSTRUCTION WILL STAR, THAT WP MIGHT AWARD THE MONEY BE OUT IN 26 SOMETIME PROBABLY. AND THAT MEANS CONSTRUCTION CAN START AS EARLY AS THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'LL BE READY TO DO SO AT THAT POINT. SO THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT HAPPENED IN THE MEANTIME. AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOME, PROGRESS MADE ON THE SIX. OH FIVE WALNUT, ROUNDABOUT. TWO AND ROAD REALIGNMENT. I HATE TO DO THOSE TWO PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME, BUT, YEAH, WE ARE IN VERY ACTIVE COMMUNICATION WITH, FRANKLIN COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE FOR THAT EXACT REASON, THAT THAT PROJECT IS ALSO GOING FOR SOME OPW FUNDING IN THIS ROUND AS WELL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE MINDFUL NOT TO BE STEPPING ON EACH OTHER'S TOES, BEING IN THE SAME CORRIDOR, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE JUST WE COLLECTIVELY AGREE THAT THE TWO OF THESE PROJECTS CANNOT BE IN CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE'VE MADE EVERY COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL CERTAINLY DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE OUT OF THE WAY AND NOT INTERRUPT ANY MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC FOR ANY PROJECT. SO ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? ADDITIONAL OF COUNCIL, ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION I MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF OUR 38 2024 SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. DURHAM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

DULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES.

MAYOR. SPALDING. YES I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 38 2024. AND BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA, I WOULD AGAIN LIKE TO THANK OUR FRIENDS FROM VANTAGE DATA CENTERS FOR COMING TONIGHT. YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REST OF OUR MEETING.

IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND HOW WE WORK. BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER PLANS AND WANT TO ENJOY THE REST OF THE EVENING, WE TAKE NO OFFENSE. IF YOU IF YOU NEED TO EXIT. ALL RIGHT, ANY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS FOR TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT, REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES, JOE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO REMIND ME

[13. REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES]

THERE WAS A SCHOOL BOARD MEETIN, I GUESS THIS MONDAY. I'M SORRY. LAST MONDAY, SO, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, BACK TO SCHOOL, IS THIS WEEK, THEY DID A SPLIT DAY, HALF THE STUDENTS WENT BACK ON

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YES. THEY'RE UNDERWAY FIRST MEET, YESTERDAY AND, IT WAS A HOME MEET. IT WAS A SUCCESS. AND THEY'RE OFTEN THEY'RE OFTEN RUNNING OFTEN. RIGHT. WELL DONE. OH I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATE FROM THE TOWNSHIP, YES. THERE WAS A MEETING LAST WEEK, AND, JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS OF INTEREST, AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHNSTOWN ROAD AND WALNUT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. THERE WAS A ZONING REQUEST TO CONVERT IT FROM RURAL TO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT NOW, ANYBODY KNOWS THAT PROPERT? THERE'S TWO OLD BARNS THAT SIT ON THAT CORNER, THOSE WOULD BE TORN DOWN AND THEY WOULD PUT UP A, TWO RESIDENTS PROPERTY. THEY WOULD BE CONNECTED, BUT IT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES, AND THAT WAS APPROVED TO ADD THAT. AND THE DESIGN LOOKED VERY GOOD TO ADD TO THAT COMMUNITY. THERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, A COUPLE OF ITEMS, INTERESTING. THEY PURCHASED 14 SETS OF BODY ARMOR, WHICH HADN'T BEEN REPLACED IN 20 YEARS. AND, MOST OF WHICH THEY WERE USING WAS NOT THAT EFFECTIVE TODAY. SO THEY THEY APPROVED THAT, ALSO THEY REPORTED ON THE FIRE AND EMS RUNS. CURRENTLY, YEAR TO DATE, THERE ARE ABOUT 10% OVER LAST YEAR, THEIR LARGEST NUMBERS YEAR TO DATE, VIRTUALLY 1760 RUNS AGAINST ALMOST 1600 LAST YEAR. YEAR TO DATE. AND EMTS ALONE ARE UP 20%, LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR AND COMPRISED 70% OF THE RUNS. COLUMBUS RUNS OUR 31% OF ALL OF THEIR ACTIVITY. IT'S AT 31% OF THE TOTAL. SO 50%, 54% OF THEIR RUNS, EMS AND FIRE ARE NEW

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BETWEEN MIFFLIN, MONROE, AND THEY'RE SMALL NUMBERS. BUT THAT ONE'S 951 RUNS IN NEW ALBANY AND 550 IN COLUMBUS. I'LL PASS THIS ALONG. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE NUMBERS. THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE UPDATE REPORTS OF CITY OFFICIALS? I HAVE NOTHING TO

[14. REPORTS OF CITY OFFICIALS]

HOW MANY OPENINGS DO WE HAVE? AN IDEA? TWO. THREE. THREE. OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. CLERK ANYTHING FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR? NOTHING TO REPORT. ALL RIGHT, CITY MANAGER, I THINK WE HAVE AN EASEMENT ACCEPTANCE MEMO. YES I CAN'T REALLY WITH ADVANTAGE GUYS GO BEFORE THIS WHOLE EASEMENT REPORT. THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. ALL RIGHT, JEFF, THAT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL.

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION. WE HAVE A LIST OF THE, WELL, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. SO SEVERAL YEARS AGO, COUNCIL AUTHORIZED US TO CREATE A LIST OF ALL OF THE EASEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED OR PURCHASED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. SO WE'RE TALKING IN THIS CASE ABOUT A FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1ST, 2023, AND THEN ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2024, THERE ARE VARIOUS TYPES. A LOT OF THESE HAVE TO DO WITH UTILITIES, TEMPORARY EASEMENTS DUE TO CONSTRUCTION, BUT THIS IS A LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ACQUIRED, WHETHER IT'S ON A PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY BASIS.

OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, TYPICALLY, IF THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE, IT'S, IT'S NOMINAL COST. MOST OF THEM ARE DONATED, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE RELATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE RELATIVE TO THE DETAILS OF, OF ANY OF THESE. BUT, I THINK A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S OCCURRING OUT ON THE EAST END OF TOWN, IN THE AREA THAT'S BEING IMPROVED, FOR THE INTEL PROJECT. LOOKS LIKE IT. I'M SORRY. CLOUDBERRY WHERE'S THAT STREET? RIGHT THERE. IS THAT NEW ALBANY? THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT JUST EAST OF TAYLOR FARM. THE PARK? OKAY SO IT'S IN HAMPSTEAD GREEN. OH, I GOT IT. OKAY OH, SORRY. THAT'S THE STREET. CLOUDBERRY IS THE STREE, RIGHT? SO IT'S OVER BY TAYLOR. SO THAT DEDICATION WOULD HAVE BEEN RELATED TO THE PARK IN SOME WAY? YES. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THIS WASN'T A STREET NAME. I WAS FAMILIAR WITH. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ON THE ANNUAL EASEMENT REPORT. VERY THOROUGH. GOOD JOB. ANYTHING ELSE ON JOE'S LIST? I HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO. MIKE BARKER, WE, WE PERFORMED OR HAD A SOUND STUDY PERFORMED TO ANALYZE THE IMPACT OF NOISE COMING OFF OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN INITIAL REPORT THAT WAS COMPLETED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND WE ASKED THE CONSULTANT TO COME BACK AND EXPAND THAT REPORT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO INCLUDE STRUCTURAL AND NONSTRUCTURAL SOLUTIONS, THE CONSULTANT IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED EXPERT IN NOISE RELATED TO PICKLEBALL AND IS ACTUALLY AN AVID PICKLEBALL PLAYER, AND HE IS BASED OUT OF FLORIDA. SO WITH THAT, I THINK MIKE HAS A PRESENTATION FOR YOU. I ALSO HAVE AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THE REPORT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO READ THROUGH IT. AND I CAN ALSO PROVIDE A HARD COPY IF YOU'D PREFER THAT AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SO I'LL TELL YOU THAT, JUSTIN AND I HAVE BEEN LEARNING QUITE A BIT,

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HE IS AN ACOUSTIC ENGINEER. HE'S AN AVID, PICKLEBALL PLAYER HIMSELF. AND, HE'S ACTUALLY A, USA PICKLEBALL REFEREE IN HIS SPARE TIME. SO HE'S HE'S VERY INVESTED IN PICKLEBALL AND KNOWS THE INS AND OUTS OF, THE, THE SENSITIVITY THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF THE NOISE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH JUST THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AS IT RELATES TO PICKLEBALL, THEY DID COME OUT. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY DID WAS THEY CONDUCTED A SOUND STUDY. SO THEY WERE HERE ON SITE FOR A BETTER PART OF A DAY. THIS WAS BACK AT THE END OF MAY, AND THEY HAD A VARIETY OF MICROPHONES AND OTHER SPEED SENSORS. I'M SORRY. SOUND SENSORS, KIND OF ALIGNED ALL OVER THE PLACE, THEY HAD, DETECTORS AT, YOU KNOW, REALLY, AS IT RELATES TO, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN PARTICULAR. SO THERE WAS A SENSOR THAT WAS LOCATED GENERALLY HERE, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL HOME IMMEDIATELY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WALNUT STREET. WE HAD SOME DETECTORS LOCATED OVER HERE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, STILL UNDEVELOPED AT THAT LOT, BUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS SLOWLY BUILDING OUT. WE DID YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IS NOT GOING TO INCLUDE A RESIDENTIAL ELEMENT TO IT. SO WE HAD LESS CONCERN, AS FAR AS THE SOUND SPREAD IN THAT AREA. BUT THEN ALSO TO AS, AS SOUND KIND OF SPREADS KIND OF BEYOND JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN AWARENESS OF WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE TO THE NEIGHBORS. SO, AFTER COMPLETION OF, OF THEIR, REPORT, WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT THE, THE AMBIENT SOUND, SO THE AMBIENT NOISE, SO THIS IS JUST THE AVERAGE DAILY NOISE THAT YOU HEAR, JUST BY WAY OF PASSING CARS AND TRUCKS AND OTHER OTHER TRAFFIC IN THE AREA AND JUST OTHER, YOU KNOW, UTILITIES AND OTHER OTHER SOUNDS THAT YOU, YOU JUST SORT OF BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND, THE, THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL IN THIS AREA IS ABOUT 70DB, THAT IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN, THAN NORMAL, PRIMARILY DUE TO THE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WITH TRUCK TRAFFIC, BECAUSE IT DOES ADD IT IS A LOUDER SOUND, THEY WERE ABLE TO BASICALLY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE NOISE CONTRIBUTED BY WAY OF THE PICKLEBALL PLAY. SO THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE OUT ON THE COURT PLAYING AT THE TIME. IT WAS A PERFECT DAY. IT WAS 70 DEGREES AND SUNNY. THE COURTS WERE VERY WELL OCCUPIED AND AT ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS, THE CLOSEST LOCATION BEING, AGAIN, THIS ONE HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WALNUT STREET, THE SOUND DETECTED FROM THE PICKLEBALL PLAY ITSELF WAS ABOUT 56DB. SO IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, DURING THAT TIME WE HAD A SCENARIO WHERE THE AMBIENT NOISE THAT JUST AVERAGE AMBIENT NOISE, THAT'S IN PLACE, THERE IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED TO BE LOUDER THAN THE NOISE THAT THE PICKLEBALL IS MAKING, OF COURSE, THAT IS AN AVERAGE OVER, I THINK IT WAS A THREE HOUR PERIOD OF TIME, AND THE AVERAGE OBVIOUSLY CONTEMPLATES A DIFFERENT FLOW OF TRAFFIC. SO THAT CERTAINLY CAN CHANGE EVENING HOURS. IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT, SO WE I THINK THAT WAS A KIND OF INTERESTING INFORMATION TO, TO FIND, WE, WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF OPTIONS, TO, TO CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING OR KIND OF PHASING IN TO, TO HELP TO KIND OF REDUCE SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THE SOUND, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR EARLY CONVERSATIONS, IT'S VERY COMMON THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING TO REDUCE PICKLEBALL NOISE AND A COMMON GOAL OF THE SOUND

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IT'S IT HAS CERTAINLY A DENSITY TO IT. AND IT'S INTENDING REALLY TO, TO ABSORB THE SOUND AS IT, AS THE SOUNDS ARE BEING MADE. WE LOOKED AT IT JUST IN THE CONFIGURATION OF THE EXISTING FENCE, AND WE QUICKLY FOUND THAT REALLY, THAT WOULD HAVE A PRETTY LIMITED VALUE. BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY GAPS IN THE FENCES. SO IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE COURTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THESE OPENINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OPENINGS ON THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT INTENTIONALLY JUST TO MAINTAIN ACCESS IN AND AROUND THE FACILITY FOR PLAYERS. AND, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE GAPS ARE THERE. THEY'RE CRITICAL BECAUSE ANYWHERE THAT SOUND, YOU KNOW, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF SLIP THROUGH IT WILL, IT MAY REDUCE IT. YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY NOMINAL AMOUNT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WORTHY OF THE INVESTMENT THAT IT WOULD BE, WE ALSO CONSIDERED OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, ADDING SOME, SOME MOUNDING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE INCREASING THE GRADE, THE ELEVATION OUT THERE, AND THEN PUTTING SOME PRETTY HEAVILY PLANTED, LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND TREES AND, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT BOTH SUMMER AND WINTER. SO EVERGREEN TREES AND DECIDUOUS TREES, JUST THINKING THAT MAYBE IF WE HAD SOMEWHAT OF A CANOPY OUT THERE, IT WOULD REALLY HAVE A MEANINGFUL EFFECT ON THE SOUND. BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT JUST DOESN'T. AND AGAIN, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS, IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS BLOCK. SO THE SOUND FINDS ITS WAY THROUGH GENERALLY IS HOW HOW IT WAS, HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO, TO US, WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER OPTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE PUT, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, FENCE MATERIAL OR SOMETHING DOWN HERE OR ALONG THE SIDE AND, WITH SOUND BEING AS IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOUND IS A IS A POINT SOURCE. SO WHEN, WHEN SOUND OCCURS ON THE PICKLEBALL COURT, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS AT, AT A CERTAIN COURT AND BASICALLY IT TRANSMITS EQUALLY KIND OF IN A PERFECT CIRCLE IN EVERY DIRECTION, ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, BUT THE ISSUE IS IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE SOUND, TO HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT OF SOUND MITIGATION, YOU REALLY NEED WHATEVER THAT SOUND DAMPENING, PRODUCT OR PRACTICE IS GOING TO BE. IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSE TO THE POINT OF THE OF THE SOUND. SO THE FURTHER YOU GET AWAY FROM IT, THEY BASICALLY JUST BECOME MORE OR LESS USELESS AS IT RELATES TO ACTUALLY PROVIDING A MEANINGFUL REDUCTIO, SO WITH WITH THAT, WE WERE THEN EXPLORING, OKAY, WELL, WHAT ARE SOME LIKE WHAT ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. SO WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OPTIONS OF BASICALLY IF WE HAD A, A, YOU KNOW, A STEADY, FENCE BASICALLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, YOU KNOW LIKE? SO THERES DEFINITELY SOME THINGS TO COORDINATE BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SIDEWALKS THAT LEAD TO AND FROM THE AREA. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A, YOU KNOW, A DOOR THAT HAS TO AUTOMATICALLY CLOSE BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE DOORS OPEN BECAUSE IT'S NOT MITIGATING THE SOUND, THEN, SO THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT. BUT JUST IN EXPLORING THAT, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE, WE WOULD EXPECT FROM THERE, LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE 515FT. WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO DO WAS GET THE PICKLEBALL SOUND TO A 50. I'M SORRY, 51 IS WHAT IT WAS. SO IF WE IF WE WERE TO PUT THIS WALL HERE, I'M SORRY, HERE

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IT'S VERY INTERESTING. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT, THAT JUSTIN AND I FIGURED OUT ON OUR OWN. SO THANKS, MIKE. GOOD EXPLANATION. VERY THOROUGH. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A VARIETY OF PRODUCTS THAT YOU CAN USE FOR SOUND DAMPENING. YOU KNOW, COSTS SOUND ABSORPTION, INDOOR, OUTDOOR. WE ASKED THE CONSULTANT TO COME BACK AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK. IS THERE A REASON WHY WE DID SO, I GUESS THE INITIAL REASON IS WE WANTED TO EVALUATE THE OPTIONS OF THE POTENTIAL PICKLEBALL IMPROVEMENTS. WE WANTED THEM TO EVALUATE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SOUND. YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO PUT A ROOF ON THIS STRUCTURE AND IT WERE TO CONTINUE TO BE OPEN AIR, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OBVIOUSLY

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IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD IS, IS LIKELY ACHIEVABLE, BUT EVEN IF YOU WERE INTENTIONAL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING SOUND MITIGATION MEASURES INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF, YOU COULD EXPECT THAT A BUILDING WOULD BRING THAT, THAT AVERAGE SOUND TO ABOUT 41, WHICH IS, AGAIN, WE'RE CURRENTLY IT'S AT ABOUT 56 AT THAT LOCATION. SO THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN SOUND. BUT AND THAT WOULD JUST BE THE BUILDING WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL SOUND BARRIER INSIDE. OR IS THAT INCLUDING THAT. YEAH. IT WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TREATMENTS, TO THE LIKE THE INTERIOR WALL. RIGHT. AND PROBABLY THE, THE ROOF SYSTEM JUST TO REDUCE ECHO AND KEEP NOISE DOWN. BUT THERE WOULD BE NOTHING OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ITSELF. NONE OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IF IT'S ENCLOSED, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO HAVE THAT ANYWAY JUST TO DAMPEN THE SOUND INSIDE, YOU KNOW? CORRECT. RIGHT RIGHT INSIDE AND PROBABLY BE DISTRACTING FOR THE PLAYERS. SO, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT WERE EXAMINED, YOU KNOW, LIKE EQUIPMENT? I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A PUSH BY MANUFACTURERS TO PROVIDE PRODUCTS THAT ALLOW, YOU KNOW, WOULD DAMPEN SOUND TO SOME DEGREE WITHOUT IMPACTING PLAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONSULTANT EVALUATED THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.

YEAH. SO THERE IS INFORMATION IN THE REPORT ABOUT THAT. AND THERE IS NEW AND DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING OUT FOR THAT, IF THERE'S IT'S OUT TODAY AND THERE'S SOME THAT IS STILL KIND OF YET BEING DEVELOPED, WHAT WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT DOING WAS TO KIND OF, MODEL THE VERY WORST SITUATION THAT WE COULD GET, JUST IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THAT EVEN IF THIS, YOU KNOW, IS AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN ASSURANCE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE USED? AND, YOU KNOW, WE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO KIND OF CONTROL THE OUTCOME AS BEST WE CAN. SO WE'VE TAKEN KIND OF A WORST CASE SCENARIO APPROACH AND HOPEFULLY PUTS US IN A POSITION TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OVERDELIVER ON ON WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO ACHIEVE. SO, BUT THE OPEN AIR CONCEPT, I DON'T THINK I FINISHED EARLIER, BUT MY, THE ENCLOSURE OF THE OPEN AIR STRUCTURE, IT HAD REALLY NO IMPACT ON, ON SOUND ATTENUATION AT ALL. SO WE ASKED THEM TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE WERE CHALLENGING THEM. AND JOE'S CHALLENGING ME AND JUST LIKE, COME ON, WE GOT TO THINK OF SOMETHING. WHAT MORE CAN WE DO? WHAT MORE CAN WE DO? AND, SO THE INITIAL RESULTS JUST WEREN'T EXCITING, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD ENOUGH OF REALLY A SOLUTION. SO WE HAD TO REALLY JUST BEAT IT TO DEATH, WE HAD A LOT OF TIME ON CALLS WITH THEM, TALKING THROUGH ALL OF OUR OPTIONS, AND, REALLY GREAT TEAM TO WORK WITH. VERY, VERY FRIENDLY TO WORK WITH, VERY ACCOMMODATING OF ALL OF OUR REQUESTS, REASONABLE OR UNREASONABLE. THEY'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT AND WILLING TO HELP. SO I THINK WE GOT A GOOD PARTNER WITH THAT. SO IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, YOU DID SAY THERE WAS ONE POTENTIAL, SOLUTION THAT COULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS TO PUT UP THAT SORT OF SOUND MITIGATION ALL ALONG THAT ONE SIDE OF THE FENCE. RIGHT. AS LONG AS IT WASN'T OPEN IN BETWEEN THE FENCE. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND DO WE HAVE TO HAVE OPENINGS ALL THE WAY AROUND OR IF WE DID THAT JUST ON THAT SIDE, CAN'T PEOPLE ACCESS ALL THE COURTS FROM ALL THREE OTHER SIDES AND NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR AUTOMATIC DOORS AND WHAT. BUT HE'S SAYING THE DOOR HAS TO THEN BE AUTOMATIC BECAUSE IF ANYBODY PROPS IT OPEN OR FORGETS TO OR DOESN'T CLOSE ALL THE WAY, YOU'VE LOST THE WHOLE POINT OF IT. DOES IT REALLY HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE JUST FROM THAT ONE SIDE? WOULD IT COMPROMISE THE FACILITY THAT MUCH? THE ONLY ISSUE TO CONSIDER IS THE FACT THAT THE PARKING LOT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THERE TO THE SOUTH. SO TO KIND OF BRING PEOPLE INTO THIS LOCATION, MAYBE THEY PARK IN THE MIDDLE HERE AND THEN THEY THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO A SIDE, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD VERY WELL BE OPENINGS ON THE SIDE BEYOND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BEYOND THE PICKLEBALL COURT ITSELF, WHERE YOU CAN JUST WALK RIGHT IN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE SPACE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE COURTS AND WHATEVER THIS, THIS FENCE WOULD BE, IT JUST BECOMES, YOU KNOW, IS THAT IS THAT A CONVENIENCE OR INCONVENIENCE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT? RIGHT. BUT BUT TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A SINGLE DOOR INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE DOORS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS TO CONSIDER.

AND WHAT WAS THE ROUGH COST ESTIMATE FOR DOING A WALL WITH A SOUND BARRIER BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE PLAYING? SO THE SO THE, THE ONE THAT BASICALLY WENT MORE OR LESS JUST

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WRAPAROUND WAS 48, AND THE BUILDING WOULD BE 41. YEAH. SO THE BUILDING IS 41. I'M SORRY, IT WAS A SIX DBA REDUCTION. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO THE SHORTER WALL IS, IS ROUGHLY I THINK IT'S 51. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT A SIX DECIBEL DIFFERENCE THERE. SO WHAT YOU SAID WAS THE GOLD STANDARD RIGHT. WELL 50. YEAH. SO IT GETS IT GETS YOU RIGHT RIGHT AROUND THAT 50 LEVEL. AND AGAIN THESE ARE MODELING THE VERY WORST CASE SCENARIOS. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST THE ONE THAT GOT US TO THANK YOU MATT. YOU'RE RIGHT I WAS WRONG, SO THE ONE THAT DOES TAKE IT AROUND THAT THAT WESTERN EDGE AND TURN THAT THAT DOES TAKE IT DOWN TO ABOUT 48.

AND THE PRICE POINT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOES THAT PRESUME A BUNCH OF AUTOMATICALLY CLOSING DOORS, OR IS THAT JUST THE. WELL, YEAH, THIS IS REALLY IT'S JUST A TEN FOOT TALL, WALL THAT IS THIS ACOUSTIC FENCE MATERIAL. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY EXCITING TO, TO LOOK AT. I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER. ULTIMATELY, IT KIND OF BECOMES THE FRONT DOOR THERE TO THE FACILITY. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE TO CONSIDER WITH ACCESS AND WITH, JUST WITH THE ESTHETICS. HEY, MIKE, WHEN THEY WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WALL, I KNOW THIS YEAR WE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE OUT THERE WITH THE WIND, WITH THE FENCE THAT WE HAVE UP NOW, I'M ASSUMING, OBVIOUSLY IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS I'VE LOOKED AT THAT PRODUCT. IT'S A DENSER PRODUCT, I'M SURE THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IT INTO THE GROUND POLES. PRETTY DEEP AND WITH A LOT OF CEMENT. BUT DO THEY, IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS, DO THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF WINDS, MILES PER HOUR COULD BEND THAT OVER, LIKE WE'VE SEEN ALREADY OUT THERE? SO WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. BUT THERE ARE THE SPECIFIC VENDORS. SO ACOUSTIC FENCE IS A IS A SPECIFIC VENDOR. THERE'S ACOUSTIBLOK THERE'S A VARIETY OF COMPETITORS THAT HAVE A VERY SIMILAR PRODUCT. AND BASICALLY WHEN YOU WORK WITH THEM TO DETERMINE THE HEIGHT, ALL ALL OF THE MODELING THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED HAS BEEN A WALL THAT IS TEN FEET TALL. SO AS YOU DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL LENGTH AND TOTAL HEIGHT, BASICALLY THERE'S KIND OF AN EQUIVALENT SIZING THAT GOES WITH THAT, THAT DOES CONSIDER WIND LOADING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT THOUGH, IT WILL BE MORE THAN JUST YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOMETHING ONTO AN ONTO OUR EXISTING FENCE OUT THERE. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A CHAIN LINK FENCE. CONNECTION.

IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S MORE RIGID BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE, OUTSIDE AND ESPECIALLY HERE. IT'S ALWAYS DIFFERENT OUT THERE. SO. SO IF WE WENT THE ROUTE, THAT FIRST PART YOU TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE HEAVIER MAGNET SHEET, ON THE EXISTING FENCE IS THE EXISTING FENCE STRUCTURALLY ADEQUATE FOR THAT PRODUCT? IT REALLY IT REALLY IS NOT. SO AND BUT TO THAT END, WE WERE SAYING LIKE A 2 TO 3 DECIBEL REDUCTION IN SOUND. AND WHEN YOU WEIGH IN WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE, THE ESTHETIC IMPACTS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO THE FACILITY ITSELF. IT DIDN'T TAKE A WHOLE. IT DIDN'T TAKE VERY LONG TO REALIZE THAT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON THERE JUST REALLY WASN'T THERE. GIVEN SUCH A MINOR REDUCTION. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAT'S GOING ON THE NEW FENCE THAT WE'RE BUILDING THAN THE ONE THAT WE COULD RETROFIT ON THE EXISTING FENCE WHERE THOSE WINDSCREENS ARE. YES. SO THE CLAIM IS THAT YOU CAN JUST PUT IT RIGHT ON THE FENCE, BUT I'M I KNOW, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE THREE INCH ALUMINUM POSTS THAT ARE HOLLOW, YOU KNOW, THEY GET BLOWN OVER WITH WIND SCRIM ON THEM. SO IT'S ALREADY PROBLEMATIC. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK WE NEED TO ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE NEW POLES OR SOME STIFFENING OF THE EXISTING POLES IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE WIND, THE WIND LOADING CAPACITY. SO, OKAY. BUT AGAIN, I THINK WITH WITH THE GOAL OF THE NOISE REDUCTION, YOU KNOW, COST PER DECIBEL AND JUST, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW, HOW BEST TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT, THAT WAS KIND OF QUICKLY ELIMINATED

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BUT THEN WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT AUTOMATIC DOORS. AND PEOPLE COULD JUST GO IN AND OUT LIKE THEY CURRENTLY DO. YEAH, YOU. SO WE AND WE KIND OF HAVE THAT SITUATION ALREADY. SO LIKE ON ON THESE SIDES FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A WIND SCRIM THAT IS ALONG THE EXTERIOR OF THE COURT. AND SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE COURT, THERE'S A TEN FOOT SECTION THAT KIND OF COMES IN FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES THAT GOES DOWN. SO STARTING AT THE, AT THIS NORTHEAST CORNER, THERE'S ABOUT A TEN FOOT SECTION THAT GOES DOWN TO TEN FEET TALL. AND THEN STARTING AT THE KIND OF THE OPPOSITE CORNER, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THERE IS A TEN FOOT SECTION THAT GOES IN. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A FENCE SECTION JUST BEYOND THAT THAT WE, THAT WE PLACED THERE WITH KIND OF WITH THE SAME MINDSET THAT, HEY, WE STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN KNOCK DOWN THIS WIND IN SOME WAY. BUT EVEN EVEN WITH THE LINEAR, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS BARRIER, THAT THERE ARE GAPS IN IT, THAT IS WHAT REALLY ELIMINATES THE SOUND MITIGATION OPPORTUNITY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU'RE SAYING JUST I JUST THINK I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, DECIBELS AND I DON'T EITHER DBA AND RFAS, BUT I DO THINK WIND AND SOUND TRAVEL DIFFERENTLY, I THINK WIND CAN WORK ITS WAY AROUND. I THINK ONCE SOUND IS STOPPED, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK ITS WAY AROUND THROUGH AN OFFSET OPENING. NO, I MEAN, IT, IT IT ORIGINATES AT A POINT SOURCE TO, TO YOUR POINT. AND THEN IT, IT TRAVELS BASICALLY 360 DEGREES, KIND OF IN A LINEAR IN A LINEAR WAY. I SEE YOUR POINT. WE DID ASK THEM TO EVALUATE THAT. AND WE THEY SHOT THEY SHOT THAT DOWN PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE GAPS IN IT. BUT I CAN WE CAN RUN THAT UP THE FLAGPOLE AGAIN. AND JUST CUT THAT OFF. LIKE WHEN YOU'RE DOING RESTAURANTS AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CONCRETE FLOORS AND, YOU KNOW, METAL CEILINGS. YEP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COVER THE ENTIRE CEILING IN ACOUSTIC PANELS. YOU STICK, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5 PANELS UP AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY ABSORB THE SOUND. AND IT BREAKS IT AND IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO REVERBERATE. GOT IT. OKAY. SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF BUILDING A BIG FENCE IN FRONT OF A FENCE.

SURE, AND I, I DON'T I THINK THERE'S OTHER SOLUTIONS. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. WE HAVE MODELED THAT. LET ME JUST TRACK DOWN THAT INFORMATION AND I CAN GET YOU THE DATA. MIKE, DO YOU WANT TO MENTION THE ENERGY EXPERT? I MEAN, WE I MEAN, WE CAN, BUT, SO ONE THING THAT HE HAD MENTIONED IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS THIS STUDY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. SO IT REALLY IS MODELING THE NOISE THAT IS MADE AT THE CLOSEST LOCATION TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL HOME. THAT'S KIND OF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT'S BEEN MODELED IN EVERY ONE OF THESE EXERCISES. THE BASED ON HIS HIS STUDIES, WHAT HE HAS FOUND TO BE THE CASE IS THAT THE HIGHER LEVEL PICKLEBALL PLAYERS ARE ACTUALLY PROVEN TO MAKE LESS NOISE, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THEY SAY IT'S A GAME OF TOUCH. AND NUANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE THE PEOPLE LIKE YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIKE ME, THAT ARE ON ON THE FAR EAST COURTS, WE'RE JUST LIKE GUNSLINGERS OUT THERE, AND WE'RE CAUSING A BIG SCENE AND MAKING A LOT OF NOISE. SO HE WAS OF THE OPINION THAT THERE COULD BE SOME VALUE TO SHIFTING THE HIGHER QUALITY PLAYERS, TO THE EAST, TO THE EASTERN COURTS, TO JUST PUT THEM SPATIALLY FURTHER AWAY FROM THOSE RESIDENTIAL HOMES FOR THAT PURPOSE. NOW ALL THE PLAYERS MAKE NOISE, I THINK THAT IT'S JUST IT'S MORE INTENTIONAL. AND I THINK IT'S, LESS OVERALL, AT LEAST HOW IT WAS DESCRIBED TO M. SO HE CALLED HIM. HE CALLED HIM BANGERS. THE THE ROOKIE PLAYERS. THEY THE BEST PLAYERS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE, NOT ON THE WEST.

PLAYERS ON THE WEST. OKAY. SO IT IS. YEAH AND WHY WAS I ON THAT COURT? THAT'S MY MISTAKE. ALL RIGHT. WELL I APPRECIATE THE, THE UPDATE, MR. JOHNSON, YOU MAY HAVE A COMMENT OR TWO ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'LL GET TO YOUR OPPORTUNITY IN JUST A MOMENT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

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[15. POLL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT]

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOLD STANDARD TO ME. IS I DON'T HEAR IT. AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 10% REDUCTION, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING FROM 56, 56 TO 50. THAT STILL SOUNDS PRETTY LOUD TO ME AND DOESN'T SEEM ACCEPTABLE TO ME. I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, I MOVED OUT TO WHERE I AM, TO GET AWAY. YOU KNOW, TO BE MORE, OUT, OUT, AWAY FROM THE NOISE. THE CITY NOISES. AND, THIS, THIS PICKLEBALL COURTS HAVE JUST CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF MY PROPERTY, AND, FRANKLY, HOW I USE IT AND HOW I ENJOY IT. AND I REALIZE I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS. BUT I'M HERE JUST TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN, MY FRUSTRATION, AND I HOPE YOU HEAR ME. I YOU KNOW. I CAN'T, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY EXAMPLE, BUT, I MEAN, PUT YOURSELF IN MY SITUATION WHERE I HEAR THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM THE TIME I WAKE UP TO THE TIME I GO TO BED AND THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT. IF YOU LIVE NEXT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS. I JUST WANT IT RESOLVED IN A SOLUTION AND FIXED. AND I DON'T WANT TO

[01:55:02]

I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW. THE OTHER QUESTION YOU ASKED WAS, SHOULD WE DO YOU SHOULD I DO I RECOMMEND SHUTTING THE PICKLEBALL COURTS DOWN? MY ANSWER WAS NO. I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT PLAY PICKLEBALL. I PLAY PICKLEBALL, BUT MY PATIENCE IS WORN OFF AND, IF YOU ASK ME THAT QUESTION, I WOULD ANSWER DIFFERENTLY THIS TIME. SO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ME. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION YOU SHARED.

MIKE, I'M EAGER TO SEE THE REPORT, IF THAT'S ABLE, IF I'M ABLE TO LOOK AT IT, AND, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO BOUNCE OFF OF ME BECAUSE I DO LIVE SO CLOSE, I'M. I'M ALL EARS. SO THANK YOU. SO JUST JUST A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. MY MIC. SO SORRY, CAN YOU HEAR THE PICKLEBALL INSIDE YOUR HOUSE? YEAH IF THE WINDOWS ARE OPEN. ABSOLUTELY. IF THE WINDOWS ARE CLOSED, IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY FAINT. THE CHALLENGE THAT I. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I HAVE ON MY PROPERTY IS, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT REVERB, REVERBERATION, AND I HAVE A POLE BARN IN THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY. AND IF YOU STAND IN FRONT OF THAT POLE BARN IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY, IT TIMES IT BY TWO. SO I HEAR, LIKE, TWICE AS MUCH. MAY NOT BE TWICE AS LOUD, BUT TWICE AS MUCH. AND THEN I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS HERE. IT'S, NOT ZOOMING IN AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE. I DO HAVE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF YOUR HOME. IT'S HARD TO TELL. I ONLY HAVE ONE. OKAY, WHAT I DO HAVE, THOUGH, IS A BACK PATIO. YEAH, YEAH, EACH SIDE LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PATIO. AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE NOISE IS COMING FROM. AND AGAIN, THAT BACK MY BACKYARD IS WHERE I PRIMARILY. AND THEN I, I APOLOGIZE FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THE WEBSITE REAL QUICK, YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFITS OF WHAT? WELL, THE BENEFITS OF WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO LIVE IN THAT RURAL COMMUNITY, SORT OF. THAT TOWNSHIP FEEL IS YOUR HOME IN THE TOWNSHIP OR IN THE CITY TOWNSHIP. ALL RIGHT. AND THE REASON I THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE ABOUT.

YOUR ABILITY TO PUT IN FENCING, YOU MENTIONED THE REVERBERATION OFF OF YOUR YOUR BARN IN THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EXAMINED WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE ANY FENCES, SO MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN ALLOWED. BUT YOU CAN PUT A FENCE UP. I MEAN, IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO IN MY PROPERTY, BUT, MY NEIGHBOR, MY NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH, HAS A FENCE THAT'S, FOUR FEET TALL. OKAY. WOULD YEAH. WHICH, AGAIN, I'M. I'M NO SOUND EXPERT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO CONSTRUCT OR AT WHAT POINT IN YOUR HOME, YOUR PROPERTY LINE YOU'D HAVE TO PUT IT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D EXAMINED ANY OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES, EITHER. YEAH. NO, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT. AND OKAY, NOT REALLY INTERESTED RIGHT NOW, BUT. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? I JUST HAD ONE MORE SO DURING THAT STUDY PERIOD, MIKE, THE RATINGS FOR THE AMBIENT SOUND AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE 50, 56DB, WHERE WERE THOSE READINGS TAKEN FROM? WERE THEY ON MR. JOHNSON'S PROPERTY? NO, THEY WERE ACTUALLY FURTHER AWAY. SO THEY WERE TAKEN. THEY WERE TAKING AS IF THE SOUND WAS OCCURRING HERE, WHICH IS AGAIN, THE COURT THAT IS THE CLOSEST LOCATION TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL HOMES. AND THAT RECEIVER WAS LOCATED GENERALLY IN THIS LOCATION, PROBABLY STILL

[02:00:08]

PULL FOR ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENT. ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENT. AND WE DO HAVE A

[17. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

SPECIFICALLY, OUR CITY MANAGER. SECOND, WE WILL ALSO BE DOING IT FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, APPOINTMENTS, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. YEP. GOT IT. AND THAT WAS, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHOLL. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, YES. THANK YOU. NOTICE TO MY LEFT, MAYOR SPALDING. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHOLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES, I HAVE SEVEN. YES VOTES TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 8:34 P.M. WE WILL LEAVE THE CAMERAS ON, BUT TURN OFF THE SOUND GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL BE COMING OUT AND THAT'S ALL IN ONE. WE ARE NOW RUSHING SOUND. ALL RIGHT. I MOVE THAT WE RETURN TO THE PUBLIC MEETING. HAVING EXITED EXECUTIVE SESSION SECOND. ALL RIGHT, THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL SHOW MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHOLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KISS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GERKE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BRISK. YES. I HAVE SEVEN YES VOTES TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'LL RESUME THE REGULAR MEETING AT 9:12 P.M. ALL RIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE A VACANCY ON THE CIC. IS THERE ANYONE INTERESTED IN NOMINATING SOMEONE TO FILL THAT SPOT? YES AGAIN, WE HAD SOME FANTASTIC APPLICATIONS, TO CHOOSE FROM, BUT, I WOULD LIKE TO, MOVE TO APPOINT AMIT GREENSTEIN TO THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT CORPORATION TO COMPLETE THE UNEXPIRED TERM ENDING. 1231 2024 SECOND. OKAY, THAT'S CALLED LIKE THREE OF THOSE. OKAY COUNCIL MEMBER KISSED. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BRISK. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. TROUT. YES MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL

[02:05:04]

[18. OTHER BUSINESS]

AND WE JUST HAD SIGNS THERE AND NO CARS EVER STOPPED. AND THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING 45 TO 50 MILES AN HOUR. AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY TODAY THEY WENT UP I ALREADY RECEIVED TWO TEXT MESSAGES THANKING US TO GET THEM UP. AND IT'S THE EXACT SAME KIND THAT WE HAVE REALLY DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, BY STARBUCKS AND ALL THAT. SO THAT SHOULD HELP IMMENSELY, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY KIDS THAT ARE ON BIKES THAT ARE TRYING TO GO PAST THAT WAY. SO KUDOS TO GETTING THAT UP. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS TODAY WE HAD A MEETING, WITH THE CHAMBER AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY OKTOBERFEST AND 4TH OF JULY. JOE, ABBY, ADRIAN, CHIP, MARLENE, AND I, AS WELL AS SHERRY NELSON AND LIZ MORRISON FROM THE CHAMBER WERE THERE. AND, GREAT DISCUSSION, REALLY, ABOUT THE VISION OF THOSE TWO EVENTS, I'LL JUST CUT TO THE CHASE ON IT. THE CHAMBER DID ASK FOR US TO TAKE THOSE EVENTS BACK, STARTING IN 2025, WHICH ALL OF THEM, THOSE TWO EVENTS, THEY DON'T WANT TO MANAGE. 4TH OF JULY IN OCTOBER. TOTALLY OKAY, SO THEY'RE TOTALLY OUT THEN, RIGHT? TOTALLY OUT WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT I MEAN, SHE DID OFFER TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE NEEDED TO HELP FILL IN SOME SPOTS. AND SHE EVEN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GETTING, LIQUOR VENDORS, YOU KNOW, BEER VENDORS, ETC. SHE COULD HELP OUT WITH THAT, AND SOME OF THE FINANCIALS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT. BUT IN ESSENCE, IT'S REALLY UPON US TO DO IT. AND SO THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT NEED TO BE HAD IN A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BECAUSE REALLY, WE PROBABLY IN THE FOURTH QUARTER NEED TO START PLANNING SOME OF THOSE THINGS FOR NEXT YEAR. ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT CAME UP THAT, MARLENE HAD MENTIONED WAS THAT, I GUESS THERE'S FOLKS ON COUNCIL, AT LEAST FOUR THAT HAVE EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST THAT SHE SHARED WITH THE GROUP AS FAR AS MAYBE CHANGING THE NAME FROM OKTOBERFEST TO SOMETHING LIKE FALL FEST. AND, MAYBE MAKING IT ONE DAY. AND I KNOW THAT WAS NEWS TO US, BUT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD DISCUSSION POINT IF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WELL. I MEAN, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE OUT ON THE TABLE. I THINK MOVING FORWARD. AND IF COUNCIL IS THINKING OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN I'D JUST BE INTERESTED AS TO KIND OF WHAT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT, BECAUSE I WASN'T THINKING THAT WAY WHEN WE WERE IN THE MEETING, AND IT JUST KIND OF POPPED UP.

YEAH, NO, IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO REEXAMINE ALL THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SORT OF TAKE IT BACK IN HOUSE. AND THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS, I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE COMMUNITY EVENTS BOARD SORT OF STARTED IN THE CITY, AND THEN WE IT GREW. AND THEN THE CHAMBER WAS SORT OF THEIR FISCAL OFFICER. SO, I MEAN, I GET SHERRY STEPPING BACK, BUT WHAT ABOUT HANS AND HIS GROUP? I MEAN, BRING IT BACK. I ASKED THAT QUESTION TODAY. YEAH. I MEAN, I MEAN, WE TALKED TO HANS SHERRY PACKING IT IN TOO, OR. WELL, SHERRY REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE AS THAT'S A NEW ALBANY CHAMBER EVENTS COMMITTEE. WHEN I ASKED HER IF THAT COMMITTEE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO RUN WITH AND I REALLY WASN'T QUITE SURE WHAT THAT ANSWER GAVE US. BUT, I HAD ALSO ASKED, WAS THERE ROOM FOR MORE OF A TRANSITION OF THIS NEXT YEAR? BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T EXPECT THAT THIS FAST, AND I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS. SHE INDICATED THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THEY DISCUSSED, ALREADY A YEAR AGO, JUNE IN THEIR MEETINGS, AND THAT THEY FELT THAT THEY JUST NEEDED TO WITHDRAW FROM THIS. SO, THEY'VE THEY'VE OFFERED TO BE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE AND GIVE US THEIR RESOURCES. BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WITHDRAW. AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY COME UP WITH OUR OWN COMMITTEE OF VOLUNTEERS AND, HOPEFULLY I MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND CAN HOPEFULLY AND

[02:10:06]

AND I THINK IT IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS AND WHERE ARE WE AT AND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT BUDGET DO WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT'S OUR VISION MOVING FORWARD, I THINK MAYBE, THOUGH WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER NOT CHANGING A LOT, THAT CERTAINLY THE FIRST 4TH OF JULY AT LEAST, BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST TAKE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ALL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT STAFF COULD TAKE BASICALLY THE VENDOR LIST AND THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT SHERRY HAS, AND IT WOULD GET THEM THROUGH THE FIRST ONE WITHOUT HAVING TO TOTALLY CHANGE THINGS. SO I THINK WE HAVE I GUESS WE I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO CONSULT WITH STAFF ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK THEY CAN HANDLE AND HOW THEY CAN HANDLE IT FOR THE FOR THE FIRST YEAR. YEAH. AND THEN LOOK TO THE LONG TERM. YEAH I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT, REEVALUATING SOME OF THE EVENTS ON OKTOBERFEST, MAYBE THAT MAKES SENSE, WHETHER IT'S FALL FESTIVAL OR HOW LONG WE CAN THINK IT'S NOW OPEN WITH WHAT THE DECISION THEY'VE GIVEN US TO KIND OF REEVALUATE THAT. ALSO, I THINK AS WE'VE GROWN AS A CITY, I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH OUR OWN STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH EVENTS, WHETHER IT'S THE JUNETEENTH OR ANY OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT THEY'VE MANAGED. AND I ALSO THINK THAT AS WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE SIZE OF THE CITY AND GETTING BIGGER AND PROMINENT, THAT POTENTIALLY ADDING TO THAT STAFF AND MAKING IT A ROBUST EVENTS STAFF THAT CAN REALLY PLAN OUR ACTIVITIES AND STILL CAPITALIZE ON VOLUNTEERS JUST AS WE'VE DONE. BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT. WHERE WHAT HAPPENS IF HANS GOES AWAY OR HIS COMMITTEE GOES AWAY? AND THEN WE'RE INTO THE NEXT EVENT? I THINK LOOKING AT THE STAFF AND SAYING, SHOULD WE REALLY HAVE A ROBUST EVENT STAFF TO REALLY MANAGE ALL THOSE AND CAPITALIZE ON VOLUNTEER RESIDENTS WOULD BE I THINK, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I AGREE, I AGREE SO AND I AGREE, AND I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE AT THE MEETING TODAY WAS TO IS THAT OKTOBERFEST SEEMS TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE IN GENERAL. AND OF COURSE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE COMPARED TO WHAT OUR IN-KIND COSTS AND CITY COSTS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE ROLLED UP INTO THAT NUMBER. BUT IN ANY EVENT, IT MADE ME THINK, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON OKTOBERFEST 4TH OF JULY, WE ALREADY HAVE JUNETEENTH, WE HAVE DIWALI, WE'RE STARTING TO ACCUMULATE SOME PRETTY BIG EVENTS. WE SHOULD PROBABLY THINK ABOUT WHEN WE GET TO OUR CAPITAL WORKSHOP. MAYBE WE START THINKING ABOUT WHAT THOSE BUDGETS LOOK LIKE FOR ALL OF THESE EVENTS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE ROLL THEM ALL UP INTO A EVENT BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FINANCIALLY, BUT YEAH, SINCE WE'RE GROWING THEM AND WE SEEM TO HAVE THEM, WE PROBABLY SHOULD START HAVING SOME SORT OF FINANCIALS BEHIND ALL THESE THINGS, AND THEN THAT CAN HELP US DETERMINE THE LENGTH OF THESE PARTIES AND HOW LONG PARTIES THESE, THESE EVENTS, SOME OF THEM, AND SOME OF THEM, ARE OBVIOUSLY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE IDEA OF. YEAH. AND THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY FLUCTUATE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE DID JUNETEENTH AND DIWALI THIS YEAR, WE DID A FAMILY EVENT THE YEAR BEFORE WE DID THE WOMEN'S DAY THIS YEAR, THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY STATIC EVENTS. WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR THAT COMMITTEE THAT IS NOT AN EVENT BUDGET. AND THEN WE CAN USE IT FOR EVENTS OR FOR A COMMUNITY CONNECTORS OR DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS THESE OTHER EVENTS. AND DO WE NOT HAVE TYPICALLY A BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR THESE EVENTS AS WELL? IN ADVANCE? I MEAN, WE DON'T JUST SPEND WHATEVER IT ENDS UP COSTING, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT SOME KIND OF A LINE ITEM IN THERE. WE DO HAVE A BUDGET, SO IT'S A QUESTION OF DISCUSSING, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THAT SAME BUDGET MOVING FORWARD, WHICH I PERSONALLY THAT'S WHAT I WHICH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU CONTINUING TO MENTION THAT. SO I WILL SAY I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING $72,000 FOR, OKTOBERFEST. AND I DON'T THINK I'M ALONE IN THAT THOUGHT, SO YEAH, I DO THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO START TALKING ABOUT THOSE EVENTS. AND DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THEM IN THE STATUS QUO OR NOT? WHICH IS WHAT I THOUGHT TODAY'S MEETING WAS GOING TO BE. AND THEN IT TURNED OUT TO BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MEETING THAN I THINK MOST OF US EXPECTED. SO BUT I DO THINK THAT THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION THIS YEAR'S EVENT STILL. YEAH, YEAH, THIS YEAR'S EVENTS THIS YEAR, THEY'RE DONE THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR THEY'RE DOING THEM, LIKE MARLENE SAID, I THINK IT WAS 72. AND I FORGET THE OTHER NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT WAS ONE. I THINK THE TOTAL WAS

[02:15:06]

LIKE ANYTHING, LET'S PUT THEM ALL UNDER ONE BUDGET LINE. I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH THAT. I'M NOT SURE THAT I AGREE THAT COMMUNITY EVENTS AND INCLUSIVITY PROJECTS ARE THE SAME. IT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE, BUT I'M NOT AGREEING NECESSARILY THAT THAT'S THE CASE. I THOUGHT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET FOR THE INCLUSIVITY PROJECTS THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN COMMUNITY EVENTS.

IF WE WANT TO COMBINE THEM, THAT'S CERTAINLY UP FOR DISCUSSION. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERYTHING IDEA DOES ISN'T JUST A COMMUNITY EVENT. YEAH, I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE A BUDGET TO MIX AND MATCH ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS TOGETHER. I'D SAY THIS ABOUT THE, OKTOBERFEST, WHICH IS $72,000 THAT WE BUDGETED. WE COULD PROBABLY WORK TO GET BETTER SPONSORSHIP FOR THAT. BUT THE ONE THING ABOUT OKTOBERFEST, IT IS A TWO DAY EVENT THAT IS EXTREMELY FAMILY FRIENDLY, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S AN EVENT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S NOT, AND IT'S EXTREMELY FAMILY FRIENDLY. AND IT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT INCLUDES THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. AND IT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY ACCORDING TO WHAT SHERRY HAD REPORTED OUT, THAT FROM WHAT SHE'S GETTING BACK IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK, THAT THE OKTOBERFEST WAS THE MOST POPULAR EVENT THAT THEY HAD, I WOULD JUST PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. THE SAPERSTEIN SURVEY RESULTS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER A THIRD OF NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS ATTENDED THE YOU KNOW, IDEA COMMITTEE EVENTS. I THINK THAT THOSE ARE EVENTS THAT ARE DEFINITELY FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I THINK THE WOMEN'S EVENT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED ACROSS SEGMENTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S A IT'S A COMMUNITY. IT'S AN EVENT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. IT IS THOSE EVENTS ARE FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE EVENTS ARE FOR THE WHOLE. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THEM ATTENDED BY THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. OKAY. SO YES, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS INVITED TO COME. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO WE KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE OF LOOKING AT EVENTS AND HOW WE ORGANIZE OR PLAN TO THESE IN THE FUTURE. HOW DO WE GET TOGETHER AND SIT DOWN AND SORT THIS OUT AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT HERE IN THIS MEETING? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE FORUM. I DON'T I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED, IT SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD. MAYBE NOT TONIGHT, BUT BEN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOW YOU'RE DOING IT NOW IS PROBABLY HOW YOU NEED TO DO IT COLLECTIVELY. I ALSO YEAH, I ALSO WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT, JUNETEENTH, I BELIEVE, COST US ABOUT $25,000. IS THAT INCLUDING THE SPONSORSHIP THAT WITH THE SPONSORSHIP, I THINK OUR COST ENDED UP BEING BETWEEN 20 TO $25,000. SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH $72,000. YOU WANT TO KEEP THROWING THOSE BACK AND FORTH LIKE, WELL, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE I CAN'T HAVE MINE, YOU CAN'T HAVE YOURS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE. THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REAL THING, IS THAT OKTOBERFEST IS A TWO DAY EVENT. IT'S EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY FAMILY FRIENDLY. IT'S VERY POPULAR, AND SUPPORT AN EVENT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK EVERYBODY ENJOYS IT. DESERVE THAT EVENT.

THAT'S ALL. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE IT AS WELL, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR IT TO BE CHANGED. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. IF NOBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL FEELS THAT WAY, THEN THAT'S NOT WHERE IT'LL GO. I MEAN, I THINK THAT YOU COULD ACHIEVE THE SAME OBJECTIVES THAT YOU DO IN OKTOBERFEST AND COST THE CITY A LOT LESS AND DO IT IN A ONE DAY. I THINK THAT THE, THE COMMUNITY FEEL IS REALLY IMPORTANT, I LIKE GOING TO OKTOBERFEST. MY KIDS LOVE THE BOUNCE HOUSES. I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE NEED FOR IT TO BE TWO DAYS. I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD OFFSET THE COST, AND MAYBE TWO DAYS WOULD BE FINE IF WE GOT SOME SPONSORSHIP OR SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, COST OFFSET SPONSORSHIPS FOR THAT. YEAH. AS WE, AS WE DO WITH ALL EVENTS. YEAH. AND I THINK ONCE WE GET THE FINANCIALS, WE CAN ACTUALLY

[02:20:04]

THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. I THINK WE DO HAVE THE FINANCIALS. I MEAN, IN PART WE'RE WE'RE SO FORTUNATE TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE GET TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW MANY EVENTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? YES. NOT EVERY COMMUNITY GETS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. SO, WE'RE CERTAINLY LUCKY IN THAT REGARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S WELL-INTENTIONED. WE WANT TO TRY TO PUT ON, YOU KNOW, WORLD CLASS EVENTS THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL SUPPORT AND FIND VALUE IN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN VERY, AGAIN, DELIBERATE IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE FUNDED THE ALMOST ALL OF THOSE IS WITH BED TAX MONEY, SO THOSE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND STAYING HERE AND PAYING BED TAX.

WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND REINVEST IT INTO EVENTS THAT WILL DRAW PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S A, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD USE OF RESOURCES WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW THESE EVENTS ARE PAID FOR, SOME FOLKS SOMETIMES GET UPSET ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE USING MY TAX DOLLARS FOR, YOU KNOW, BOUNCE HOUSES THAT. WELL, NOT REALLY. I MEAN, IT'S STILL IT IS STILL TAX MONEY. CORRECT. BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BEING PAID IN PART, MAYBE IN PART BY OUR RESIDENTS, BUT NOT IN WHOLE, SO AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS OUR COMMUNITY GROWS AND MORE HOTELS COME ONLINE, WE CAN EXPAND THE OFFERINGS THAT WE HAVE IN A VARIETY OF WAYS THEY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT YET. I MEAN, I JUST THINK OF THIS. YOU KNOW, THE DATE ON THE CALENDAR. I REMEMBER WHEN I HAD YOUNG KIDS AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS CALLED FALL FEST BACK THEN. AND IT WAS MORE PUMPKINS AND STRAW AND WE RACED GO CARTS DOWN MAIN STREET. IT WAS AWESOME, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, WE HAD SOME RIDES THERE THAT I, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GOT A CONCUSSION WRITING. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT EVENT HAS MORPHED AND CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AS WELL. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST EVERY YEAR YOU LEARN ABOUT SOMETHING NEW. I REMEMBER MAYBE THE FIRST TIME WE TRIED TO QUOTE OKTOBERFEST, IT WAS BEHIND THE HYDE CENTER, BUT IT SNOWED FOR THREE DAYS AND THERE WERE LIKE FIVE PEOPLE THERE. IT WAS ICY RAIN. YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE WEATHER WAS NOT COOPERATIVE. SO IT'S A TOUGH TIME OF YEAR TO PROGRAM ANYTHING. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KNOCK ON WOOD, WE'VE BEEN SUPER SUCCESSFUL LAST YEAR IN THAT EVENT, LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD 7000 PEOPLE. I LIKE THE FESTIVAL IN THE FALL. I LIKE HAVING A FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MORE. WELL I GUESS IT ALREADY IS FAMILY ORIENTED, BUT I GUESS I LIKE THE FOCUS TO BE ABOUT FAMILY AND NOT ABOUT BEER PERSONALLY. WELL, I'M I'M JUST I'M JUST LET ME FINISH, OKAY? BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS COMING OUT WITH ANY OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD MANY TIMES FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO I'LL SAY WHAT I FEEL ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE A FALL FESTIVAL, WHETHER WE CALL IT A FALL FESTIVAL OR OKTOBERFEST, THAT DOESN'T REALLY. THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO ME, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S A VERY HIGH TICKET.

AND I THINK THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, ALL WE DID WAS TALK ABOUT HOW ONE DAY WE'LL GET SOME SPONSORS AND IT'LL OR THE VENDORS OR THE THIS OR THE THAT, AND IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF. AND THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED AT ALL. AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IS THAT OKAY.

AND IF EVERYONE ELSE ON COUNCIL BUT ME AND I THINK ANDREA HAS SAID SOMETHING, IF NO ONE ELSE HERE HAS ANY OBJECTION TO US CONTINUING TO SPEND 72,000 OR MORE AND SPENDING TWO DAYS AND HAVING IT BE EXACTLY AS IT IS, THEN I'M DONE. THAT'S OKAY. I, I'M EXPRESSING MY OPINION. I HAD A STRONG OPINION THAT THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE THAT FELT THAT WAY, AND SO WHEREVER IT GOES, IT GOES. I LIKE THE IDEA OF A FALL FESTIVAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE. AND OKTOBERFEST, WHATEVER THE CONNOTATIONS OF IT ARE, EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS. BUT FALL FEST IS KIND OF FAMILY FUN. HALLOWEEN PUMPKINS, SLOAN WAS SAYING. I THINK, LIKE ANYTHING, WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET OF WHAT WE SPEND ON ALL THE EVENTS, NOT JUST THIS ONE. AND WHETHER IT'S TWO DAYS OR ONE DAY. I THINK AT SOME POINT, IF NEW ALBANY COMPANY EVER BUILDS ANYTHING BACK THERE, WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE TO EVEN HOLD IT IN TERMS OF CONVENIENT PLACE OR WHATEVER.

SO I THINK, HOWEVER LONG THE EVENT GOES, WE CAN LOOK AT HOW WE EVALUATE IT. BUT I THINK WE LOOK AT THE PRICE WE SPEND ON THAT AND THE PRICE WE SPEND ON OTHER EVENTS. JUST HOLISTICALLY.

AND I THINK THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION TOO, IS WHAT WHAT IS OUR EXPECTATIONS FROM SPONSORSHIPS FOR ALL THESE EVENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THAT THERESE HAD AND I'M NOT PICKING ON CHERRY, BUT CHAMBERS RUN THE OKTOBERFEST FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW? FOR FIVE. AND WITH ALL WITH ALL THE CORPORATE MEMBERS THAT BELONG TO THE CHAMBER. HOW MANY HAVE BECOME SPONSORS OF THE OKTOBERFEST? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO HOW READILY AVAILABLE

[02:25:01]

I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY HARD FEELINGS, I. I DON'T LOVE IT AS AN EXPENDITURE AS IT IS PERSONALLY, AND I'VE EXPRESSED WHY. WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD THEN SET OUR EXPECTATIONS FOR SPONSORSHIP EQUALLY ACROSS ALL EVENTS. THEN IF WE WANT TO HAVE SPONSORSHIPS, THAT SHOULD BE FULLY FUNDED FOR 4TH OF JULY AND ALL THE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE'RE DOING, IF THAT'S I NEVER I NEVER SAID THAT OUR EVENTS SHOULD BE FULLY FUNDED. OKAY. AND I ALSO DON'T THINK 4TH OF JULY FALLS ON THE SAME THING PERSONALLY. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL. YEAH. SO I NEVER SAID THAT ANYTHING SHOULD BE FULLY FUNDED IF WE DO WE HAVE A LIKE THAT 72,000 DID DO WE HAVE A BREAKOUT OF WHAT THAT THOSE COSTS ARE I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO START. NOT HERE.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. JUST TO SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEN THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT, THEN WE CAN CARVE OUT OKAY. IF WE I DON'T THINK IT'S 1 TO 1. IF WE TURN IT INTO A ONE DAY. I DON'T THINK THE COST CUTTING I AGREE. I THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIES OF SCALE WHERE OVER TWO DAYS IT'S JUST SO I MEAN, ARE WE GETTING ANY, YOU KNOW, ARE VENDORS PAYING US A FEE TO SHOW UP? ARE WE GETTING ANY KICKBACK OF BEER SALES? NO. LIKE, I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, PUTTING A NAME ON THE THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT. GETTING MONEY FROM VENDORS.

YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. AND TYPICALLY, LIKE KONA ICE SHOWS UP MY CROSS COUNTRY MEET, THEY GIVE ME 20%. YEP YEP YEP. IS THAT HAPPENING NOW? SO DO YOU HAVE THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW, I REALLY THINK I DO, BUT I THINK JOE KNOWS BETTER LIKE REVENUE. IS IT IS IT MORE ONE DAY OR ANOTHER. RIGHT. OR IS IT EQUAL AMONGST THE BOTH. BOTH.

AND THEY CAN BOTH OFFSET THE COST OF IT. I THINK THOSE WOULD ALL BE REALLY INTERESTING. YEAH, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE NUMBERS BEFORE WE HAVE AN EDUCATED DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. I AGREE, I'LL TALK TO FINANCE AND WE'LL GET IT. WE'LL GET A BREAKDOWN OF THE, THE EVENT COSTS. I THINK A LOT OF THE EVENT COSTS RELATED TO 4TH OF JULY AND, AND, OKTOBERFEST ARE RELATED TO IN-KIND SERVICES. POLICE. RIGHT MAINTENANCE WORKERS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO WE'LL GET A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE AS WELL AS THE ELEMENTS OF THE EVENTS THEMSELVES. SO ESSENTIALLY, THE MONEY A LOT OF THAT BUDGET IS GOING TO THE CITY. RIGHT? I THINK THE LAST TIME I SAW IT WAS LIKE 11,000. I MEAN, WITHOUT THE GRANT, I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT MUCH WITHOUT MY GRANT FROM FOR THE FOURTH. YOU KNOW, THANKSGIVING FOUR MILER. MY CITY SERVICES FOR A FOUR HOUR EVENT ARE AROUND $10,000, SO THAT'S THAT'S WE THOUGHT IT WAS POLICE. AND SO I MEAN, I CAN IMAGINE IT'S EXPONENTIAL FOR A TWO DAY EVENT, WHERE THE ROADS CLOSED, SO. BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE LIKE IT MIGHT BE ONCE YOU CLOSE THEM, YOU CLOSE THEM. I LIKE I FEEL LIKE, WELL, IF YOU HAVE HARD CLOSURE, I MEAN, THE POLICE ARE THERE. YEAH, WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT I AGREE. SO AND I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAVE $10,000, THEN IT'S PROBABLY A MOOT POINT. YEAH I AGREE, I WILL ARGUE THE OPPOSITE POINT OF THE WHOLE FAMILY FRIENDLY. I LIKE OKTOBERFEST BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST FAMILY FRIENDLY, IT'S THE ONE. IT'S REALLY THE ONE EVENT IN THE CITY WHERE IT'S IN THE EVENING AS WELL. THERE IS BANDS, THERE'S MUSIC YOU'RE CELEBRATING VERY RARELY. YOU'RE OUT IN NEW ALBANY AT, YOU KNOW, 930 AT NIGHT HANGING OUT, AND THERE'S A HUGE GROUP OF PEOPLE. AND IF IT WORKS OUT WHERE THERE'S A BUCKEYE GAME ON THE TV, I THINK IT'S VERY UNIQUE THAT IT'S AN EVENING EVENT THAT THE CITY PUTS ON. I THINK IT'S OUR ONLY TRUE TIMES FOR THE KIDS, THE NIGHT TIMES FOR THE ADULTS. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IT COVERS A WIDER ARRAY. THE WHOLE ONE DAY, TWO DAY WE CAN, LIKE I SAID, DIG INTO THE NUMBERS. BUT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE EVENT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE EVENING AND IT'S FESTIVE. AND, YOU GET TO HANG OUT AND THERE REALLY IS NO OTHER EVENT THAT WE PUT ON. IT'S LIKE THAT NEW ALBANY. RIGHT?

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THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY HARD TIME GETTING UP AND READY FOR JUST WHAT THE STATUS QUO WAS. SO UNLESS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CUTTING BACK ON THE EVENT, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER JUST LETTING IT ROLL ONE MORE YEAR AND KNOWING THAT IN 2026 WE CHANGE IT. I THINK WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS THEY'RE KIND OF TERRIFIED TODAY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE JUST GOTTEN THE 4TH OF JULY AND OKTOBERFEST FOR NEXT YEAR WITH VERY LITTLE NOTICE. AND I FELT SORRY FOR ABBY WHEN THAT BOMB WAS DROPPED. SHE'S SITTING OVER THERE. I'M LIKE, OH YEAH, SHE'S JUST REALIZING ALL THIS WORK IS COMING HER WAY. YEAH SO, AND I THINK THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER, TO MIKE'S POINT, DO THEY NEED MORE STAFF AND OR DO THEY NEED TO CONTRACT OUT SOME OF THE STUFF, WHICH I KNOW THEY'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT ADRIAN HAS SENT ME SOME INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY CONTRACT OUT FOR CERTAIN EVENTS TOO. SO THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. I MEAN, AGAIN, NOT TO, YOU KNOW, USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, BUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION FOUNDATION HAS THEIR EVENT COMING UP HERE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY GO, THE CREEKSIDE HOPS AND VINES FEST. SO YOU HAVE TO PAY AN ADMISSION FEE TO GET IN. YEAH THIS YEAR'S BREW PARTNERS OR EDISON BREWING. WELL, THEY JUST CLOSED ON ME.

THERE'S LIKE, SEVEN OF THEM. GROVE CITY BREWING, HARD STATE BREWING NOSTALGIA BREWING, SEVEN SUN BREWING, LAND GRANT, OLENTANGY RIVER, YELLOW SPRINGS. I MEAN, IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. YEAH. THEY CHARGE ADMISSION. THEY CHARGE YOU. JASMINE. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY HAVE SPONSORS FOR THAT ALL OVER THE PLACE. I MEAN, WE JUST NEED TO BE I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MANAGING THESE EVENTS, BUT HOW YOU KNOW, HOW AGGRESSIVELY THEY WANT TO I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK WE COULD DO PROBABLY A BETTER JOB AT ATTRACTING SPONSORS. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT THAT YOU'RE DRAWING 10,000 PEOPLE LIKE OKTOBERFEST, POTENTIALLY. COULD YOU IN NEW ALBANY WITH CORPORATE CORPORATIONS, WE HAVE HERE. AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO HAVE VISIBILITY, COMPANIES WOULD WANT TO HAVE VISIBILITY TOWARD SPONSORSHIP. YOU'D THINK

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CONSTRUCTIVE TENSIONS. THEY MAKE THE BRATWURST. WE'LL MAKE IT BETTER. THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE BRATWURST. THERE YOU GO, BEN. I'M NOT TYPEKIT. THERE'S OUR BRATWURST. JUST REMEMBER, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY MAKE IT. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO BACK IN THE KITCHEN, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BOUNCE SOMETHING OFF ME. I'M ALL EARS. I'M ALL EARS. THAT WAS A BAHAMA MAMA. THANKS, GUYS. THAT'S TOO FUNNY. ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION? THEN I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN. SECOND. THANKS GOOD. ONE AND TWO. AND COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED AT 9:45 P.M. GOOD NIGHT. ALL

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