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YOUR APPROACH TO THIS, AND THEN MAYBE ONE THING ON THE COMMERCIAL COMPOSTING, WE HAVE
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CHELSEA HAS A DRAFTED A SURVEY TO SEND OUT TO THE VILLAGE CENTER BUSINESSES. WE DON'T YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THEM, BUT WE HAVE SOME CONTEXT FROM WHEN COUNCIL INSTITUTED THE DORA A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND THAT SURVEY OUT TO REALLY FIND OUT. ARE THEY DOING ANYTHING ALREADY AND IF SO, WHAT IT IS. WHO ARE THEY USING? DO THEY HAVE INTERESTS.SO IT'S LIKE A SIX QUESTION SURVEY. I HOPE THAT WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COMPLETE IT.
AND SO WE WILL GET HOPEFULLY SOME DATA ON ON THAT SIDE OF THE EXPANSION AS WELL, SO WE'VE LEARNED A WHOLE LOT AND I'M GOING TO RELY ON CHARLES AND CHELSEA TO FILL IN THE GAPS HER.
AND THIS CAN BE MORE OF A DISCUSSION THAN A PRESENTATION, BUT WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT ON SITE DIGESTERS. AND SO WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUND OUT BY LOOKING AT CHARLES HAS LOOKED AT SOME PROGRAMS IN OTHER CITIES. WE'VE TALKED TO SWACO, AND THEY'RE KIND OF ON THE LOOKOUT FOR US BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS. SO
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THIS IS A COMPANY. THIS IS ZEUS, AND A COMPANY CALLED ECO TOWN, AND SO THIS IS A CONTAINED BIODIGESTER THAT CAN TAKE UP TO 500 POUNDS OF FOOD WASTE PER WEEK. AND TYPICALLY IT NEEDS TO BE DRAINED. SO IT, I THINK THEY CALL IT THE SPECIAL SAUCE, RIGHT. OR T SO IT'S. YEAH, IT'S THIS IS A, THIS. COME ON. COMPOST TO YOU. SO THIS IS AN ANAEROBIC DIGESTER. SO THE YEAH THE PRODUCT IF YOU WILL, THAT COMES OUT OF IT IS IN LIQUID FORM AS OPPOSED TO AN AEROBIC WHICH GIVES YOU, DRIVING THIS. YEP, YEP. SO ECO TOWN CAN OPERATE THE DIGESTER AND THAT'S THEIR MODEL. THEY ARE IN PITTSBURGH RIGHT NOW. SO THEY DON'T HAVE LOCAL REPRESENTATION.BUT THEY COULD SERVE. THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY COULD SERVICE THIS AND SO THAT IS FILLING THE SYSTEM WITH THE FOOD WASTE AND DRAINING THE TEA. OR THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD DO. WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE OPERATIONALLY TO ASSESS WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE CITY. SO IF THIS IS AN APPROACH WE WANT TO EXPLORE, THAT WOULD BE A BIG PIECE OF FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT MEANS. WE HAVE A VIDEO. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO THEIR PROPOSAL TO US IS, IS A LEASE OPTION, AND SO THERE IS A VIDEO THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS THE OPERATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND I DID SEND THIS TO YOU, SO I'M SORRY IF YOU ALREADY WATCHED IT. NOW WE'RE WATCHING IT AGAIN. HEY, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS ELLIOT BENNETT. I'M THE CFO AND ONE OF THE THREE CO-FOUNDERS AT ECOTONE RENEWABLES. LET ME SHOW YOU A QUICK TOUR OF OUR ZEUS BIODIGESTER HERE AT PLANT CITY IN WARWICK, RHODE ISLAND. SO THIS IS WHERE THE MAGIC HAPPENS. OUR CUSTOMER, PLANT CITY STAFF, THEY THROW THEIR FOOD WASTE IN FROM THE HOLDING TANK. IT GETS FED INTO THE GRINDING STATION.
FROM THE GRINDING STATION, IT GOES INTO THE DOSING TANK AND THE DOSING TANK INTO THE STOMAC.
THE STOMACH ACTS VERY SIMILAR TO HOW THE HUMAN BODY BREAKS DOWN FOOD. WITH ALL THAT HEALTHY GUT MICRO BACTERIA. AND FROM THERE, WE'RE EXTRACTING THE METHANE AND BIOGAS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY AND EXTRACTING AN ORGANIC LIQUID PLANT FERTILIZER THAT WE CALL SOIL CELLS, SOIL SOURCE IS SOLD ONLINE. AND ALSO RIGHT HERE IN STORE. SO WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME OUT, CHECK US OUT, GET SOME SOIL SOURCE, USE IT ON YOUR HOUSE, PLANTS, GARDENS AND FOR ANYTHING YOU MIGHT NEED.
ANY ANYTHING TO ADD? CHARLES WE HAVE LOTS OF THINGS. OKAY, DO YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS? SURE. YEAH, YEAH. SO THIS IS. I JUST WAS INTRODUCED TO THESE GUYS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN RAISING MONEY ON A PLATFORM THAT I'M INVOLVED WITH. SO IT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS GENESIS OF THIS HAS COME FROM. THEIR TYPICAL CUSTOMER IS, LARGE ENTITIES, HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS.
THIS THING THEY TALK ABOUT IN RHODE ISLAND IS KIND OF A NEWER DEVELOPMENT FOR THEM. AS I AS AS I UNDERSTAND IT. SO WHEN WE HAD GONE DOWN THE PATH MONTHS AGO ABOUT TALKING WITH EARTH ORGANICS, AND THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MACHINERY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO, AND THEN WE KIND OF HIT SOME SPEED BUMPS IN THAT CONVERSATION. THIS CAME TO MIND AS BEING LIKE, HEY, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO SLICE THIS, SO IT'S AN TO ME, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. IT'S FAIRLY SELF-CONTAINED. IT DOES REQUIRE, AT THIS POINT, AN ELECTRICAL INPUT, THEY DO CATCH RAINWATER OFF THE ROOF. AND THAT'S WHAT GIVES THE A BIT OF LIQUID THAT'S NEEDED BESIDES THE DIGESTIVE THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM. IT DOES RUN ON A BATCH PROCESS WITHIN THE UNIT. I KNOW THE COMMENT CAME FROM ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE GIVING US SOME INFORMATION. IT'S JUST THAT IT DOESN'T CONTINUALLY FEED. IT'LL FEED INTO THAT FEEDER AND THEN IT'LL GO, OKAY, GREAT. I NEED TO CHEW THAT UP AND THEN KICK IT INTO THE NEXT THING, SO THERE IS THAT CAPACITY MANAGEMENT TO AN EXTENT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LOT OF STUFF THAT WENT INTO THE CONTAINER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO ASK, ANYWAY, IT SOUNDED LIKE AN INTERESTING THING I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT FOR THE SCHOOL BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE IT'S THEY THEY TYPICALLY DO BETTER IN A HIGHLY MANAGED, LACK OF, CONTAMINANT KIND OF SITUATION. SO IT CAN'T HANDLE THINGS LIKE COMPOSTABLE SILVERWARE. IT CAN'T HANDLE SOME
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OF THOSE HEAVIER COMPOSTABLE PLASTICS. IT YOU COULD GO IN AND DO IT. IT JUST CAN'T MANAGE IT.SO THAT STUFF SITS AND THEY HAVE TO EXTRACT IT OUT TO CLEAN IT UP. SO IT'S REALLY ORGANICS WASTE PAPERS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, WHICH IS I'M GOING TO GUESS 97, 98% OF WHAT PROBABLY HAPPENS IN MOST OF THESE SITUATIONS. SO, I DON'T IN, IN HEARING MORE ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARILY A CATCH ALL FOR US. I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT I FELT WAS THAT AS THE SITUATION THAT SWACO IS NOT BRINGING A TON OF THEY'RE BRINGING THINGS TO US, BUT THEY'RE NOT LEADING IN THIS SCENARIO THAT THIS COULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME WORK IN LEADING IN A TECHNOLOGY THAT ISN'T IN THE AREA, DO YOU WANT TO GET TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT I WANT TO DO? YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE SOME OF THAT. DO WE? IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE AND THEN THERE'S. YEAH SO CAN WE GO THROUGH WE'LL GO THROUGH THE OTHER ONE. YEP YEP YEP. AND THEN WE HAVE A CHART THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS. SO AND I'M GLAD YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP EARTH PEAKS BECAUSE THAT WAS A COMPANY THAT CAME HERE AND PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. AND THIS IS REALLY JUST KIND OF ANOTHER OPTION ON TOP OF WHAT WE FOUND OUT, THAT IS SIMILAR. BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, JUST ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER AS WE'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT ALL THESE OPTIONS AND TECHNOLOGIES, SO THIS ONE IS AN ON SITE, COMPOSTER VESSEL FROM EARTH FLOW ADVANTAGE. AND WE ACTUALLY CHELSEA AND I HAD MET WITH SWACO EARLIER THIS YEAR AND TALKED ABOUT THE BOARD'S DESIRE TO EXPAND COMPOSTING AND KIND OF TALK THROUGH REGIONALLY WHAT IS OR ISN'T HAPPENING AND HOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE KIND OF DOING THEIR OWN THING. BUT ONE COMMON PROBLEM IS THERE'S NOT A CENTRALIZED PLACE TO TAKE THE FOOD WASTE. SO, I THINK THIS GOES TO THE POWER OF RELATIONSHIPS AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT IN DAYTON AT A FOOD BANK THERE, AND FOUND, THIS OPTION. AND SO THIS IS, AGAIN, KIND OF A SHIPPING CONTAINER TYPE SYSTEM, THAT CAN HANDLE 500 POUNDS A DAY, AND THEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF WOOD CHIPS. SO IT'S NOT ANAEROBIC. IT IS ANAEROBIC. RIGHT AND THEN THEY HAVE A 40 FOOT SYSTEM THAT CAN HANDLE A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT AS WELL, SO THERE'S TWO OF THESE IN OHIO, ONE AT DAYTON AND ONE IN CINCINNATI. THE DAYTON FOOD BANK DEDICATES FIVE HOURS OF STAFF TIME PER WEEK TO MANAGE THE SYSTEM. THE STORY IS KIND OF INTERESTING. I GUESS. THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HAD A FINANCE AND BUSINESS BACKGROUND WHO RETIRED, STARTED VOLUNTEERING AT THE FOOD BANK, GOT INTERESTED IN WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THIS FOOD WASTE AND ANOTHER WAY THAT COULD BE USABLE AND THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING THE SYSTEM FOR TEN YEARS OUT THERE. SO HERE'S A LITTLE VIDEO DESCRIBING THIS OPTION. MY NAME IS JAMES HOFFER, AND I MANAGE THE FOOD BANK'S URBAN GARDEN. WE HAVE A VERY LARGE URBAN GARDEN THAT WE USE A LOT OF COMPOST IN. WE DEAL WITH FOOD WASTE, SO WHAT BETTER WAY TO ELIMINATE THE NEED TO PURCHASE COMPOST TO HAUL COMPOST IN, THAN UTILIZE A RESOURCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND MAKE IT OURSELVES? YOU KNOW, HERE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, WE AVERAGE ABOUT BETWEEN 20 TO 30% OF FOOD. THAT IS WASTED AND GOES INTO OUR LANDFILL. WELL, IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO INTO THE LANDFILL. WE NEED IT TO GO INTO COMPOSTING. THE OVERFLOW IS AN IN-VESSEL COMPOSTING SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN IN THE MARKETPLACE FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS NOW. THE IDEA IS THAT THE SYSTEM, LIKE AN EARTHWORM, MOVES THE COMPOST THROUGH ITSELF SO THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD FEEDSTOCKS ON ONE END, AND THEN YOU'RE PULLING PRODUCT OUT OF THE OTHER END OF THE VESSEL. THE EARTHFLOW HAS SEVERAL THINGS THAT MAKE IT REALLY UNIQUE. ONE OF THEM IS THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE COMPOST. THERE'S A LOT OF COMPOSTING VESSELS ON THE MARKET THAT ARE BASICALLY A BLACK BOX. ONCE YOUR COMPOST GOES IN, YOU CAN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON UNTIL IT COMES OUT THE OTHER END. THE AIRFLOW GIVES YOU A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. SOMETHING ISN'T QUITE RIGHT. YOU CAN TWEAK YOUR RECIPE, YOU CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND, PULL PRODUCT OUT WHENEVER YOU WANT. WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT'S BEING DONE IN SUCH AN OUTWARD
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FACING WAY THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT COMPOSTING ONE VESSEL AND ONE LOCATION, BUT THAT IT'S REALLY CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE. THE SYSTEM CAN WILL CREATE A NUTRIENT DENSE COMPOST PRODUCT FOR THE FOOD BANKS, RAISED GARDENS, AND ALLOW US TO GROW EVEN MORE CHEMICAL FREE PRODUCE. THE FIRST INSTALLATION OF A COMPOSTING VESSEL SYSTEM AT A FOOD BANK IN ALL OF THE UNITED STATES, SO THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO FAR, WE'VE LOADED ABOUT 7,000 POUNDS OF FOOD IN IT, WHICH FOR US IS HUGE BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT WOULD BE GOING LITERALLY TO OUR DUMPSTER. AND ALSO THE LANDFILL. EVERYBODY THAT COMES THROUGH HERE GETS TO SEE THAT FOOD WASTE COMPOSTING ISN'T THIS BIG DIRTY MESS THAT EVERYBODY THINKS IT IS. KIDS THAT COME THROUGH HERE, THEY GET TO SEE WHAT THIS PROCESS IS AND WHAT THE BENEFIT IS IN OUR GARDENS. SO WE WERE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR SWACO, FOR CONNECTING THE DOTS AND THINKING ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND LEARNING FROM WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING OUT IN THE STATE THEY DID OFFER. IF ANYONE IF WE WANTED TO TAKE A FIELD TRIP AND SEE IT, THE FOOD BANK HAS OFFERED THAT SO WE COULD ARRANGE THAT IF WE WANTED TO, I THINK WHAT CHARLES MENTIONED ABOUT THIS IS DEFINITELY A MORE SELF-MANAGED OPERATION THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE IF WE'RE BRINGING FOOD WASTE, EITHER FROM OUR DROP OFF LOCATIONS TO ONE, OR IF PEOPLE ARE BRINGING IT TO HERE.SO I THINK THERE IS, AGAIN, AN OPERATIONAL IMPACT TO THINK THROUGH. AND DO WE HAVE THE SAME KIND OF CAPABILITIES THAT THE FOOD BANK HAS BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE GENERATING THE FOOD BASE AND, AND PUTTING IT OPERATING THE SYSTEM AND THEN TAKING THE COMPOST OUT. SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY APPLES TO APPLES AND HOW WE WOULD USE IT. BUT IT'S A IT'S AN INTERESTING OPTION. IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THEY'VE BEEN USING IT FOR TEN YEARS AND BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH IT. WE CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS LATER. BUT WE ALSO DID TALK ABOUT, THERE'S WITH THE SYSTEM LIKE THIS, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF GRANTS EITHER THROUGH SWACO OR EPA THAT COULD REALLY DEFER ANY INITIAL INVESTMENT, AND THEN SOME OF THE DETAILS WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK THROUGH IS, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE OPERATING IT? ARE WE STILL OPERATING OUR OTHER DROP OFF LOCATIONS? DOES THIS IS THIS A LONG TERM SOLUTION TO A CURBSIDE PROGRAM THAT THE FOOD WASTE COULD GO HERE AND MAKE SURE THOSE CAPACITIES WORK. AND YOU KNOW, LOTS MORE TO FIGURE OUT. BUT THIS IS JUST, THE HIGH LEVEL INFORMATION AND WHAT WE KNOW TODAY. AND THEN FINALLY, JUST OUT OF THAT MEETING ON FRIDAY WITH SWACO, I DID WANT TO REPORT THAT WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING CURBSIDE COMPOSTING INTO OUR NEXT BID CYCLE WITH THEM. SO WE'RE IN A CONSORTIUM, FOR SOLID WASTE RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE. NOW SWACO MANAGES THAT PROCESS. SO EVERY, YOU KNOW, THE WE'RE GROUPED WITH OTHER, SIMILAR COMMUNITIES WE POOL TOGETHER. AND SO WE CAN GO OUT TO BID AND GET BETTER PRICES FOR ALL THESE SERVICES. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE RUMPKE SWACO DID TELL US THEY'RE WILLING TO INCLUDE BIDS IN OUR NEXT CONTRACT CYCLE FOR FOOD WASTE, AND SO THOSE ARE FIVE YEAR CONTRACTS. OUR KICKOFF FOR OUR NEXT CYCLE STARTS NEXT AUGUST. AND IT'S LIKE A ONE AND A HALF TO TWO YEAR PROCESS TO PUT ALL THE BIDS TOGETHER, TALK WITH ALL THE COMMUNITIES AND THEN THE FULL TERM WOULD BEGIN JANUARY 1ST OF 2027, SO I THINK THAT'S VERY ENCOURAGING. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY'VE EVER DONE BEFORE OR CONSIDERED. I THINK IT HAS TO BE A DIRECT RESULT OF JUST ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOW DOING THE DROP OFF COMPOSTING PROGRAMS AND THAT WOULD BE A NICE COMPETITIVE WAY TO, GET PRICING AND POSSIBLY ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES AS A WORKING GROUP IS IN THINKING THROUGH A PILOT CURBSIDE PROGRAM IS HOW DO YOU SCALE THAT IN A WAY? AND THAT PROVIDES THAT, I THINK LONG TERM SCALABILITY SOLVES THAT. THAT ISSUE. WE DID TALK TO THEM BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW THIS COULD INTERACT OR INTEGRATE WITH, IF WE DID HAVE SOME SORT OF DIGESTER SYSTEM WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEY DO THINK SO THE, THE CHALLENGE AND I GUESS IT WOULD BE UP TO COMPANIES THAT WOULD BID ON THIS CONTRACT IS WHERE ARE YOU TAKING THIS FOOD WASTE? SO WHO WE USE NOW GOES ZERO IS HAULING IT TO MARYSVILLE AND
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BEYOND, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LOCATIONS, TO DO THAT. COMPOSTING. SWACO DID SAY IF WE HAD SOME SORT OF NEARBY DIGESTER TO USE THAT, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE TIPPING FEES IN THE CONTRACT. SO SOME OF THOSE CONTRACT COSTS COULD GO DOWN, SO THAT'S ENCOURAGING. AND IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TWO THINGS COULD INTEGRATE AND WORK TOGETHER ON A LONGER TERM SOLUTION THAT COULD BE COST EFFECTIVE, AND SO WE DID WE STARTED THINKING THROUGH LIKE, HOW DOES THIS WORK? HOW COULD THIS WORK, AND THINKING THROUGH LIKE A 3 TO 3 YEAR PLAN IF WE DID WANT TO, PAIR A DIGESTER WITH, KIND OF A LONG TERM SWACO CONTRACT SO WE COULD, IN YEAR ONE, KEEP FOOD WASTE AS IS WITH THE DROP OFF, AND APPLY FOR GRANT FUNDING TO PURCHASE. REALLY? WE PUT EARTH FLOW, BUT IT DOESN'T. IT WOULD BE WHATEVER DIGESTER WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR GRANTS AND WOULD GIVE US THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO WIN A GRANT AND THEN YEAR TWO, WE COULD IMPLEMENT THAT COMPOSTER WITH WE GOT GRANT DOLLARS, KEEP OUR DROP OFF PROGRAM. I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY STILL BE PAYING A HAULER TO GO FROM OUR DROP OFF LOCATIONS TO A DIGESTER, AND THEN YEAR THREE WOULD BE 2027, AND HOPEFULLY WE GET BIDS ON THE CONTRACT AND WE COULD IMPLEMENT A FULL SCALABLE CITYWIDE, CURBSIDE PROGRAM. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE POSSIBILITY I THINK, I THINK THERE ARE BENEFITS TO EACH OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT OVER THIS YEAR, AND WE JUST KIND OF HOPPED AS A GROUP, AS AN ADVISORY BOARD. AND WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS NOW BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE MONTH, WE'LL HAVE TO ENTER IN A PROPOSED BUDGET TO CITY COUNCIL. AND IF WE HAVE A DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF BACK INTO WHAT A BUDGET NUMBER WOULD BE. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECTION, THAT'S FINE AS WELL. AND WE CAN KIND OF TAKE MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND CONTINUE OUR CURRENT DROP OFF PROGRAM. AND THEN JUST SOME FACTS AND FIGURES IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS. SO THE VILLAGE HALL DROP OFF LOCATION IS OUR MOST POPULAR NOW, AND SO IN JULY, WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END OF JULY, BUT WE GOT BETWEEN 500 AND 2 POUNDS A WEEK TO 779 POUNDS A WEEK. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN OUR, OUR MOST POPULAR LOCATION. AND THEN THE ANNUAL COST WITH THE FOUR LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE EXPANDING TO TAYLOR FARM IS ABOUT $25,000 A YEAR RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING. DID THAT GO TO COUNCIL AND GET APPROVED OR NOT? IT DID. YEP, YEP. SO WE ARE FOR WE ARE AT FOUR. WE HAVE FOUR. YES WE HAVE FOUR. WE'RE WAITING ON RUMPKE TO PUT THE RECYCLING BIN OUT AT TAYLOR. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE COMPOSTING BINS. AND THEN WE'LL START ADVERTISING IT AS A FOURTH LOCATION. AND WHEN YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT'S A IT'S A ROLL OFF.THEY'RE LIKE A BIGGER FOR RECYCLING OR RECYCLING AND TRASH. YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT SIZE IT IS. IT'S A THE RECYCLING DUMPSTER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT. IT'S A DUMPSTER LIKE WHAT'S OUT HERE. YEAH. YEAH. GOT IT. YEAH SO THESE ARE OUR KIND OF NEWEST OPTIONS THAT WE'VE WE'VE JUST KIND OF EXPLORED. TO SUMMARIZE FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AN OWNERSHIP THING OR A LEASE OPPORTUNITY, WHAT THE COSTS ARE THAT, THAT WE KNOW TODAY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE OPERATIONAL IMPACT, AND SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE REALLY HAVE TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THAT ALSO WOULD HAVE A, A COST IMPACT TO THE CITY. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT LOCATIONS, THOSE ARE THE DIMENSIONS AND THE CAPACITIES AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POSSIBILITY FOR GRANTS AND DOES IT ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO ACHIEVE TO EXPAND COMPOSTING? AND I WILL STOP TALKING AND YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS, OH, YEAH. WELL, I WON'T STOP TALKING. SO THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE HAVE. AND WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER, WHAT THEY MEAN. AND SO AGAIN, WHAT'S OUR OUTCOME? WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS. WHERE WOULD WE PUT THESE, DO WE INCORPORATE INTO DROP OFF OR NOT? IF WE DO INCORPORATE IT WITH A DROP OFF, WE WOULD STILL BE PAYING A HAULER. SO WE'D STILL HAVE THAT $25,000 COST A YEAR, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE IT INTO A FUTURE CURBSIDE PROGRAM, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, AS PRETTY AS THAT ZEUS PICTURE IS, WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT, ESTHETIC GUIDELINES AND ZONING CODES IN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. SO I'M
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NOT REALLY SURE WE COULD PLOP DOWN A SHIPPING CONTAINER SOMEWHERE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS, BUT WE COULD DELVE IN AND FIGURE OUT THOSE DETAILS, AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE ASPECT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT. WE KNOW FROM GO ZERO WHO IS OUR CURRENT, VENDOR. YOU KNOW, WHERE HE TAKES HIS COMPOST. HE HAS DIFFERENT PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT ANY REQUIREMENTS ARE AND IF THEY WOULD APPLY TO A SYSTEM LIKE THIS OR NOT. RIGHT. AS I SAID, PENNSYLVANIA DOESN'T HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT PRECLUDES THE ZEUS DEALS, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE INFORMATION YET ON OHIO. YEAH. AND MY INITIAL CONVERSATION IS THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I PITCHED OUT TO JACOB. HE HAD TO FIGURE OUT. SO THAT'S COMING. YEAH. SO LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION. IT'S BEEN REALLY INTERESTING TO LEARN ABOUT ALL THESE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN AND YOU KNOW, EARTH PEAK THAT WE TALKED TO EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO CONSIDER AND A LOT FOR THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON, ON TOP OF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED THE COMPOST EXCHANGE. YES. DO YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD. I MEAN IT I, I EVERY MONTH THIS IS CHANGING. THIS AREA IS SO INTERESTING. IT'S LIKE, OH WE'RE HERE ARE THE PLAYERS. OH, WAIT, THERE'S ANOTHER PLAYER. RIGHT. SO COMPOST EXCHANGE, WHICH I THINK MOST OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH, HAD HAD ENGAGED WITH SOME OF US, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A MANAGEMENT OR OWNERSHIP CHANGE, SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE COME BACK INTO THE FRAY, THEY APPROACHED HUGO. HUGO HAS BEEN PITCHING THEM AS BEING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, BOTH THE DROP OFF OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PICKUP, OPTION, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT ANYTHING FROM THEM, BUT. NO. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, CHELSEA AND I WENT TO A COLUMBUS METROPOLITAN CLUB PROGRAM. YOUR COMPANY WAS AT THAT, AND THE COMPOSTING CLUBHOUSE, IS ANOTHER NEW COMPANY THAT'S IN THIS SPACE, AND THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH COLUMBUS DROP OFF LOCATION. SO IT REALLY IS A CHANGING AND DYNAMIC AREA. REMIND ME AGAIN WHAT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE OUTPUT OF THE EXISTING CURBSIDE OR DROP OFF CURBSIDE OR DROP OFF. YEAH. WHEN THAT GETS PICKED UP WHAT WHERE DOES IT ULTIMATELY END UP. SO CHARLES JUST WENT AND VISITED IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE I'M THINKING WE HAVE WHAT WE DO TODAY. SOUNDED LIKE ZEUS IS A LIQUID SOLUTION, LIKE A COMPOST TEA. AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME USE CASE FOR WHAT THEY DO WITH IT TOO. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS A FOOD BANK, AND THEY HAVE A DIRECT NEED FOR IT. SO THEY'RE LIKE CUTTING OUT THE USE OF FERTILIZER. I'M ASSUMING. AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING SOMEONE TO HAUL OFF FOOD WASTE. SO THEY'RE LIKE A CLOSED LOOP. SO I START THINKING ABOUT THAT FROM LIKE A CITY PERSPECTIVE. WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE LOOP LOOK LIKE? JUST BUT EVEN THAT THOUGH. SO THEY'RE TURNING INTO IS IT SOIL THERE. YEAH. IT'S GETTING IT'S BECOMING COMPOST. YEAH. SO I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO PRETEND TO HAVE THIS CORRECT. BUT BASICALLY THE WAY THAT THE STATE OF OHIO MANAGES, YOU CAN HAVE MULCH, WHICH IS BASICALLY YARD WASTE. IT'S CARBON RICH PRODUCT. RIGHT? THAT DECOMPOSES AT SOME LEVEL. THAT'S MULCH THE COMPOST, THEN BRINGS IN FOOD SCRAPS AND NITROGEN PORTIONS OF THIS WHOLE THING, AND SO THEY'RE TAKING THIS STUFF. THEY'RE HAULING IT THREE HOURS NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST OF HERE. AND IT'S ON A THEY'RE DAVID, THE OWNER GOES THERE OF HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME UP IN THAT AREA. SO THEY'RE DOING THIS COMPOST OPEN AIR LARGE SCALE COMPOSTING MANAGEMENT AND THEN THEY'RE TAKING THAT AND THEY'RE USING IT ON THEIR FARM AND SELLING IT TO AREA FARMS UP THERE. OKAY. AND ALSO GETTING FEEDSTOCK FOR THE COMPOST BACK FROM THOSE SAME FARMS. AND AS THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IT, THAT'S THIS SCENARIO. I MEANT TO BRING SOME SOIL. SORRY I JUST WONDERED I WAS WONDERING HOW MUCH OF IT ENDS UP IN BAGGED SOIL. THAT'S LIKE RESOLD, IF AT ALL. BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT GARDEN CENTERS LIKE THE MULCH THAT'S COMING FROM LIKE A DEVELOPER PUTTING IN A NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.SOMEONE TAKES ALL THE TREES, IT GETS GROUND UP. IT'S KIND OF A SIMILAR PROCESS, BUT THEN THAT JUST GETS KIND OF BAGGED IN, RIGHT? TURNS INTO DARK MULCH, BROWN OR BLACK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEN THE SOIL I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT GOES TO A FARM FOR USE ON A FIELD, IN A COMMERCIAL SETTING, OR IN SOME CASES, THERE'S PROBABLY A STREAM THAT GETS BAGGED AS LIKE CONSUMER BRANDED PRODUCTS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. SO I WAS ALWAYS WONDERING
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WHAT HAPPENED WITH, YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. DOES IT ALL GO TO FARMLAND OR DOES IT KIND OF WHO KNOWS? IT KIND OF GOES IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES. I BELIEVE ALL OF OURS IS GOING TO FARMLAND. YOU KNOW, THE ONE WITH THE, THE SOURCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SELL THAT THE EARTH FLOW OPTION, THE CITY COULD TAKE THAT PRODUCT AND USE IT IN OUR LANDSCAPING NEEDS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T DONE, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME WAS TO TRY TO BACK INTO, LIKE, HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND ON MULCH AND FERTILIZER IN OUR CITY PARKS, SO THEN THAT STARTS TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A USE CASE FOR IT. WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET. SO I THINK, SO GO ZERO IT IS GOING TO THEIR FARM. THEY HAVE ALWAYS OFFERED TO, TO GIVE SOME TO THE CITY FOR MUNICIPAL USE. AND WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY GARDEN BEFORE, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY EXPANDED IT MUCH BEYOND THAT. WELL DOES SOMETHING HAPPEN WITH THE LEAF COLLECTION NOW THAT WE GET SOME MULCH BACK FROM THAT? NO, WE DON'T, BUT IT IS ALL BASICALLY DROPPED OFF. WE HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH MCCULLOUGH'S LANDSCAPING, AND THEY BASICALLY RECEIVE ALL OF OUR LEAVES AND THEN THEY DO GRIND IT AND TURN IT INTO MULCH. SO THEY'RE USING IT. YEAH SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. SO I STUMBLED ACROSS SOMETHING I SENT TO, ADRIAN AND CHELSEA AND I COULD SHARE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WASTE DIVE BLOG THINGS THAT I GOT, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS A PROGRAM, YOU COULD GET TO A POINT WHERE A CITY WOULD SAY, YEAH, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MANAGE DOING THIS. AND PART OF THE PROCESS IS I'M GOING TO SELL SOME PORTION OF THAT AND GET SOME RECOUPING OF EXPENSE TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S HAPPENING IN ANY KIND OF LARGE SCALE. AND THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT WHAT DOES LIKE THE FOOD BANK VERSION LOOK LIKE ON A COMMUNITY LEVEL WHERE I WOULD IMAGINE MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING THE EFFORT TO GO DO DROP OFF IF GIVEN THE OPTION TO SOMEHOW HAVE SOME OF IT BACK, THEY'RE PROBABLY INTO LANDSCAPING AND GROWING FLOWERS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A DOLLAR A GALLON OF LIQUID COMPOST OR WHATEVER, SOMETHING SIMPLE. IT KIND OF SELF GENERATES THE INTEREST IN IT BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON TO DO IT, BECAUSE THEY KIND OF CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR HOBBY OR THEIR INTEREST ANYWAY. AND SO THEN YOU START TO THINK, WHAT IS I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT TO MAKE STUFF LIKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT WHAT DOES A LOOP LOOK LIKE FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE, YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. I'M TRYING TO VISUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE, LIKE A BIGGER PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A FOOD PANTRY THAT HAS A LOT OF FOOD WASTE. OVERALL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE COMMUNITY GARDENS. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PARKS THAT NEED THAT PRODUCT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A WASTE AT ALL. I THINK IT ACTUALLY, IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE DOING MORE TALKING LATER ON ABOUT NATIVE PLANTINGS IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT HELPS TO, BECAUSE IF PEOPLE GO TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN, DROP OFF THEIR COMPOST, EVENTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY PICK UP THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COMES BACK OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, COME PICKS UP THEIR COMPOST, PUTS ON THEIR NATIVE PLANT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PART OF A BIGGER VISION, RIGHT? IT'S SORT OF ALL CONNECTS. BUT IT'S JUST SORT OF THE, THE LOGISTICS OF HOW DOES IT LOOK OPERATIONALLY? IS IT FEASIBLE? IS IT SOMETHING REALLY WORTHWHILE TO. I THINK IT IS. BUT I DO THINK THAT'S THE COMPLICATED PART, IS HOW DO WE GET THERE. YES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND ONE THING CHARLES AND CHELSEA AND I TALKED ABOUT, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE ALL WE'VE LEARNED ALL THIS AND WE HAVE ALL THESE OPTIONS, IS, IS THIS A SITUATION WHERE YOU GO OUT TO THE MARKET AND SAY THIS, THESE ARE OUR GOALS, WHAT YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THOSE ARE. BUT IS IT A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM? IS IT A SCALABLE TO A COMMUNITY LEVEL AND LET DO A BID AND SEE WHAT KIND OF AN RFP AND SEE WHAT KIND OF PROPOSALS WE MIGHT GET. AND THAT INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING TO THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A VERY FAIR PROCESS. AND, YOU KNO, WE TYPICALLY EVEN IF WE DECIDED ON ONE OF THESE, WE PROBABLY WOULD STILL GO OUT TO BID TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING GOOD PRICING AND COMPETITION. BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST A SITUATION WHERE WE DO AN RFP, DEFINE WHAT OUR GOALS ARE, PUT IT OUT TO EVERYONE. WE KNOW, AND SEE IF WE GET ANY CREATIVE IDEAS FROM THAT JUST TO GO BACK. SO I'M SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING. I LIKE THE IDEA OF INCLUDING SUECO IF WE CAN. AND I THINK THE THREE YEAR PLAN YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD TO BE THINKING BIGGER AND LIKE LONGER TERM. SO THEIR INVOLVEMENT WOULD BE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE THE COMPOST, BUT THEY ARE WILLING TO BID TO HELP US MOVE THE COMPOST.
SO IF WE WERE DOING CURBSIDE, THEY WOULD BE, PICKING IT UP EITHER ON THE SAME DAY AS
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THEY'RE DOING, LIKE YARD WASTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN IF WE HAD A ONE OF THESE MACHINES COMPOSTERS, THEY WOULD TAKE IT TO THERE AND, AND MAYBE EVEN PUT IT INTO THE VESSELS. I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. SO I THINK FROM THE SUECO END OF THINGS, THEY, SINCE THEY MANAGE OUR CONSORTIUM AND OUR, OUR BID CYCLE, THEY WOULD OPEN IT UP. AND I THINK IT'S MAYBE THE SAME WAY A RUMPKE WOULD DECIDE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BID ON RECYCLING AND THEN A RECYCLING CONTRACT, AND THEN RUMPKE WOULD FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE RECYCLING THAT, THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP. AND SO THEY HAVE THEIR MURPH AND THEY HAVE A INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT TO HANDLE THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAME ON A SMALLER SCALE, AND IT WOULD BE UP TO GO ZEROS OR ANY OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO BID ON THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM. AND THEN THEY WOULD EITHER FIGURE OUT WHERE TO TAKE IT AND MANAGE IT, JUST LIKE RUMPKE DOES ON THE RECYCLING END, OR, OR MAYBE IT COULD WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF THE CITY HAD IT, AND THEN THEY WOULD JUST TAKE IT TO WHEREVER THIS WOULD END UP BEING. AND IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY RESULT IN A LOWER COST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING AS FAR. SO I THINK IT'S EITHER OR. I THINK THEY COULD WORK HAND IN HAND, OR THEY COULD JUST LIKE GO ZERO BID ON A CURBSIDE, FOOD WASTE PROGRAM. THEY WOULD GATHER IT ALL AND THEY WOULD TAKE IT, AND THEN THEY WOULD USE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE EITHER A PLACE TO SELL IT OR A USE FOR IT. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE THINKING IN THOSE TERMS AND I THINK IT'S GREAT. I MEAN, AS FAR AS YOUR FIRST QUESTION TO ME, IF WE CAN EXPAND TO, CURBSIDE VERSUS DROP OFF EVENTUALLY AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH COMPOSTING, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY GOALS WOULD BE TO EXPAND THE REACH OF IT. AND THEN IF WE CAN KEEP THE COMPOST LOCAL AND PROCESS IT HERE, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. YOU KNOW, THE ZEUS, IF IT'S DOING 500, 500 POUNDS A WEEK TO ME THAT DOESN'T IT'S PROBABLY NOT BIG ENOUGH TO REALLY DO THAT. IF YOU COULD DO 500 POUNDS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DOUBLE SIZED EARTHFLOW COULD DO 1,000 POUNDS A DAY. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING A CURBSIDE PICKUP, YOU'RE PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIG NUMBER. I WOULD THINK. YEAH SO SWACO, WE ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT AND SO THEY ADVISED US IF WE'RE TRYING TO ESTIMATE A CAPACITY FROM A CURBSIDE PROGRAM IS BASED ON UPPER ARLINGTON AND BEXLEY, IT'S ABOUT 40% OF YOUR HOUSEHOLDS WOULD BE PARTICIPATING. AND THEN SO WE NEED TO DO THAT CALCULATION TO KIND OF BACK INTO A NUMBER OF WHAT WE THINK. IF WE DO WANT TO GO WITH A DIGESTER OPTION TO SEE WHAT SIZE WE WOULD NEED AND WHAT THAT CAPACITY SHOULD BE. YEAH.SO JUST TO JUMP IN USING THIS, OUR NUMBER ONE DROP OFF LOCATION MAKES IT SEEM UNMANAGEABLE. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER DROP OFF LOCATION, IT'S MORE THAN MANAGEABLE FOR LIKE A SIMPLE THING, THE AMOUNT OF DROP OFFS THAT HAPPEN IN OTHER LOCATIONS IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER, SO WHEN I DID THE ECOTONE KIND OF CONVERSATION, THOUGHT WAS, OH, THAT COULD BE THAT COULD TAKE THE PLACE OF A DROP OFF PICKUP. IT WOULD JUST BE A DROP OFF INTO THAT VESSEL. AND THAT SYSTEM, SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IT BEING NECESSARILY AN GRANTED. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE TALKED ABOUT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STUFF, BUT I DIDN'T NECESSARILY SEE IT BEING LIKE A CENTRALIZED DROP OFF. SOMEONE'S FEEDING STUFF INTO IT FROM A LARGER PICKUP. IT WAS A PORTION OF THE PIE. IT WASN'T THE PIE. AND YOU SAID SOMETHING. I JUST WANT TO I'D BE CURIOUS TO KIND OF PICK EVERYONE ELSE'S BRAIN ON THE ON THE BOARD. I WAS WITH YOU THAT I, THAT I FELT LIKE THE DROP OFF THING WAS GOING TO FEEL SOMEWHAT TEMPORARY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, 1 TO 5 YEAR KIND OF THING. AND THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL PICKUP WOULD TAKE THE PLACE OF IT. I THINK AFTER LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AND READING SOME SOME MORE DATA FROM OTHER AREAS, IT FEELS LIKE THOSE CAN COEXIST BECAUSE AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL LOOK AT CASEY FOR A REACTION. WE MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF THESE MULTIFAMILY HOMES THAT EXIST IN THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE IN THE PROXIMITY OF OUR CITY.
AND SO IF THE GOAL OF THIS BOARD IS TO TRULY HAVE WASTE DIVERSION AND REDUCING WASTE GOING TO LANDFILLS, I DON'T WANT TO KIND OF CHOP OFF THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN OUR GREATER AREA TO NOT BE ABLE TO DROP OFF LOCATION IN NEW ALBANY IF IT'S GOING TO BE USED AFTER WE SWITCH OR AFTER WE EXPAND TO A LARGER RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM. YOU'RE SAYING PEOPLE WHO MIGHT
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NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR CURBSIDE CORRECT? I SEE, YOU MEAN LIKE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE CITY? YES. YES I SO I'M GOING TO JUST JUMP INTO THIS MINUTELY PRINTED FORM. CHELSEA AND I WORK TO KIND OF THROW THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'RE JUST PUTTING DATA TOGETHER. I WAS REALLY CURIOUS KIND OF HOW WE'VE HOW WE'VE GROWN. I WAS EXPECTING TO PULL SOME DATA TO SEE THE WASTE DROP OFF FROM MONKEY AND THEN THE COMPOSTING AND TO SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF OF WASTE BEING COLLECTED AS OUR COMPOST WENT UP AND THE REALITY IS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HAPPENING, THERE'S SOME INTERESTING DATA IN THERE THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE HAD A LARGER A LARGER YARD WASTE, DROP OFF OR PICK UP FROM RUMPKE, BUT IN TERMS OF WASTE DIVERSION, IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN STAGNANT, LIKE RECYCLING HAS GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.COMPOSTING IS GROWING, BUT IT'S NOT GROWING IN LARGE ENOUGH QUANTITY TO REALLY KIND OF OFFSET THE SOLID WASTE NUMBERS. SO I LOOKED AT THIS AND WENT ALL RIGHT, I'M NOW I'M KIND OF LIKE.
EVERYTHING FULL SPEED AHEAD. I'M TRYING TO FEEL LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE A DENT? HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE IMPACTFUL THAN WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LARGER DROP OFF IN THE SOLID WASTE PICKUP? SO I KIND OF SAGE, NO, I GUESS I'M JUST HEARING THE COMMENTS.
I'M LOOKING AT IT AS KIND OF TWO AVENUES, KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT PETE SAID, THE BIGGEST IMPACT WOULD CLEARLY BE THE CURBSIDE, IF WE COULD ROLL THAT OUT, YOU'RE TALKING 40% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS, I DON'T KNOW IF A CURBSIDE PROGRAM AND A DIGESTER COEXIST. I DON'T I'M NOT SURE. I THINK IF WE STAY WITH THE DROP OFFS TO CHARLES POINT, I WOULD ENVISION ONE OF THESE DIGESTERS REPLACING ONE OF OUR DROP OFFS. AND THAT BECOMING, YOU KNOW, AND I KEEP GOING TO TAYLOR FARM.
BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE SOLE SOURCE OR THE, SOY SAUCE, SOY SAUCE. YEAH. THE SOY SAUCE, IT, YOU KNOW, WATCHING THE COMMERCIAL FOR THE DAYTON FOOD BANK, YOU KNOW, IT'S SIMILAR WITH THE COMMUNITY GARDEN RIGHT THERE AT TAYLOR FARM. FOLKS WOULD COME OVER AND JUST PICK THEM. OH, WE'VE GOT TO TEND MY GARDEN TODAY, AND I GET A LITTLE SHACK OF FERTILIZER AND GO OVER AND HIT MY PLOT, NOW, THE EXECUTION OF THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPOST IN THE WINTERTIM.
WHERE DOES THAT LIQUID, WHERE DOES THAT SAUCE GO IN THE WINTER WHEN THEY'RE NOT TENDING TO THEIR GARDENS, SO THE PRACTICAL, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL EXECUTION, I THINK WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE IT IN MY HEAD IF WE AGAIN, IF WE COULD DO THE CURBSIDE AND WE DO A TEST, WE GET A GRANT AND WE CAN FINANCIALLY MAKE THAT WORK. I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WASTE DIVERSION, THAT IS I THINK THAT'S A ONE. NOW, IF WE CONTINUE AND IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THE CONSORTIUM, THE BIDS COME BACK AND IT DOESN'T SEEM FEASIBLE, THEN YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE IDEA OF A DIGESTER. AND FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN ACTUALLY USE THE PRODUCT THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSED CIRCUIT. IT'S HERE. AND I THINK IT BECOMES WE COULD TURN IT INTO A FEATURE FOR COMPOSTING AND AN EDUCATION PIECE AND, KIDS CAN I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE WALK THROUGH AND OPEN THE DOORS THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKE, YOU KNOW, CLASSES THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAKE IT A FEATURE OF, THE COMPOSTING DROP OFF LOCATION, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING ROUGHLY 6 OR $7000 PER LOCATION PER YEAR. ANYWAY, THIS WOULD ACCOMMODATE ELIMINATING THAT. AND THE LEASES, WHAT WAS IT, LIKE, 20 GRAND A YEAR, YEAH. ABOUT. YEAH.
IF YOU LEASED IT OR. 24, 24, 24, SO YOU KNOW, THAT TAKES A CHUNK OF THAT. AND IF WE WANT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE GETTING, WE COULD POTENTIALLY ELIMINATE TWO OF THE DROP OFFS TO FORCE PEOPLE TO MAYBE COME HERE MORE TO, YOU KNOW, USE IT, SO I THINK WE COULD CUT THAT LEASE IN HALF IF WE, YOU KNOW, CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE DROP OFFS. BUT, I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF HAD MY HEAD THE TAYLOR ADDITIONAL ONE IN THE FUTURE BEING MORE OF A FEATURE IN A, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT PRETTIER AND LIKE A FEATURE BECAUSE IT DOES TIE IN SO WELL WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING THE PARK TO START WITH. SO I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT KIND OF TWO TRACKS. IF WE CAN GET THIS, GREAT. IF NOT, THEN I THINK, I LOVE THE IDEA THAT I GESTURE AND HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO USE IT AS LONG AS WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THIS STUFF IN DECEMBER.
GREAT WELL, YOU MENTIONED THE WINTER. WE DO HAVE THE WINTER FARMER'S MARKET. IF WE CAN
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FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BOTTLE UP THE JUICE. LIQUID GOLD, BABY. I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR MY HOUSEPLANTS BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING GOOD TO MAKE THOSE GROW BETTER. SO YEAH, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND GET A CUTE LITTLE LABEL, COME UP WITH A BETTER NAME THAN SOIL SAUCE, AND YOU GUYS MIGHT BE STARTING A STARTUP, I DON'T KNOW. SOY SAUCE. THERE WAS SOMEONE YEARS AGO THAT TOOK THE COMPOST TEA AND PACKAGED IT IN PLASTIC, LIKE TWO LITER BOTTLES THAT WERE BEING RECYCLED, CAPTURED FROM CURBSIDE. AND THEY BOTTLED IT. AND I THINK IT WAS CALLED ECO TERRA OR SOMETHING. AND YEAH, A COUPLE YEARS IT WAS AT SHELF IN RETAIL AND THEN IT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT, BUT YEAH, AS A VERMICOMPOSTING, I DO THIS ON A SMALL SCALE, AND WHEN I DO IT, I PUT IT IN SMALL BOTTLES AND GIVE IT TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY. AND IT'S GREAT FOR HOUSEPLANTS AND IT MAKES A NICE GIFT. IT'S LIKE YOU WOULD GO SPEND $14 AT TARGET TO BUY THIS SAME SMALL BOTTLE THAT YOUR WORMS OR YOUR TRASH CAN DO. IT FOR YOU. SO IT'S JUST EDUCATING PEOPLE AND KIND OF SHIFTING THAT THINKING. BUT YEAH, I LIKE HOW YOU EXPLAINED IT, CASEY. I THINK I KIND OF FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT THAT'S WHAT'S POSSIBLE. SO YEAH, I GUESS, I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE, MAKING IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE AND MAYBE PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY WANT TO THINK THAT MUCH ABOUT COMPOST. BUT WE'LL DO IT. LIKE, IF IT'S EASY, AND THE ONE THING I DO LIKE ABOUT COKE ZERO IS YOU CAN COMPOST, YOU KNOW, SO MANY THINGS. YOU CAN COMPOST COMPOSTABLE UTENSILS. IF YOU'RE GOING THAT WAY, YOU CAN THROW ANY EDIBLE THING YOU WANT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A FEW MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THESE, YOU KNOW, TWO COMPANIES THAT I WOULD JUST MAKE ME A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT.LIKE, IS THAT GOING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE'S DESIRE TO DO IT IF IT'S MORE WORK? WE COULDN'T USE OUR.
WE COULDN'T. YEAH, BECAUSE WE USE COMPOSTABLE TRAYS AND WE USE COMPOSTABLE UTENSILS. YOU CAN PUT THOSE IN THERE. SO YEAH, IT WOULDN'T WORK FOR US, BUT, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, I GUESS. DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE WHERE WE MAY BE HEADE, MAYBE GO. OKAY WELL. OR I'LL, I'LL START WITH SOME QUESTIONS. DO WE STILL. I THINK I HEARD CASEY SAY SOME THOUGHT THAT WE STILL LIKE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO DO A PILOT CURBSIDE PROGRAM TO GAUGE INTEREST, WE DID TALK TO SWACO ABOUT THAT FROM A, KIND OF BUILDING MOMENTUM AND THEN GATHERING SOME DATA THAT THEN COULD BE USED DURING THE BID PROCESS JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT TYPE OF, FOOD WASTE THEY'RE GETTING AND HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS. SO IS THAT SOMETHING, AS A BOARD, DO YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WE FUND IN 2025 AS A PILOT PROJECT? I THINK WE WERE USING LIKE $10 PER HOUSEHOLD AS OUR NUMBER OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE. AND THEN WE COULD WE COULD PUT THAT OUT TO BID IF WE WANTED TO CAPTURE OTHER COMPANIES AND GET BETTER PRICING. DO YOU THINK WE COULD BID IT SOONER? WE WON'T HAVE I GUESS WE COULD BID IT. THE BUDGET WON'T WOULDN'T BE SET. I GUESS IF IT DOESN'T GET FUNDED, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE. DID WE EVER GET TO THE POINT OF SAYING. I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE NAME OF WINDSOR? WINDSOR. DO WE DO WE COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF WHAT THAT WOULD THAT THAT MIGHT BE JUST LIKE AN ESTIMATING. SO THERE'S LIKE 300 HOUSEHOLDS THERE, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE USE THAT 40%. TIMES $10 A MONTH, THAT'S $1,200. THAT'S ABOUT $15,000 A YEAR. IF WE HAD 40% OF WINDSOR PARTICIPATING. RIGHT.
BUT IF WE KICKED OFF, IF WE ATTEMPTED TO KICK OFF, GET AN RFP, I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT A46 WEEK PROCESS, I'M JUST TRYING TO WORK THROUGH LIKE, WHAT IS WHAT HOW QUICKLY COULD WE DO IT? SO WHAT? YEAH. SO IF WE WERE TO KICK IT OFF, PUT TOGETHER AN RFP BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER, MIDDLE OF OCTOBER, AND THEN YOU'RE BACK BY WHAT, DECEMBER FIRST? IT'S STILL PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, BUT WE COULD GO TO THE PROCESS OF DOING IT. YEAH WE COULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW FROM A COUNCIL'S STANDPOINT, WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK THROUGH, DO WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OUT FOR RFP IF WE DON'T KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE
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FUNDED OR NOT? THE COUNCIL BUDGET PROCESS, THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING WILL BE IN NOVEMBER. IT WILL BE APPROVED IN SOMETIME EARLY DECEMBER. AND THEN IT'S THE CALENDAR YEAR. SO 2025 IS WHEN FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE. OKAY I WOULD SAY YES TO THAT. THAT PROPOSING IT TO COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE AND WE WOULD STILL KEEP OUR DROP OFF. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE DROP OFF COSTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND OKAY, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT THEN THE SECOND PIECE IS SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO TRY TO INCLUDE CURBSIDE IN OUR CONSORTIUM CONTRACT TO SEE IF WE GET INTEREST FROM COMPANIES TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SO THIS NEXT AUGUST WHEN THAT STARTS, WILL DEFINITELY INCLUDE THOSE IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH SWACO AND THE OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND THEN ON KIND OF A DIGESTER OPTION IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO REEVALUATE AFTER WE GET THOSE SWACO TALKS GOING TO SEE IF THERE'S A PLACE FOR THAT OR NOT? I GO AHEAD. I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO PUT A PIN IN THE DIGESTER UNTIL IF WE DO END UP ROLLING OUT A PILOT AND SAY, WINDSOR, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE HOW THAT PILOT GOES BEFORE WE PULL THE TRIGGER ON DOING THE DIGESTER, BECAUSE IF THE PILOT IS SUPER SUCCESSFUL AND IT WORKS, THEN I THINK WE JUST GO ALL IN ON THAT ROUTE. PERSONALLY BUT SO I HAVE A THOUGHT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WOULD LAND. THE ECOTONE THING DEFINITELY HAS SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN GO IN, BUT IT IS SELF-CONTAINED. THEY THEY MANAGE THE WHOLE THING. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY DOING IT. THE OTHER IDEA WILL TAKE A CREW OF PEOPLE MANAGING IT. AND THERE IS SECONDARY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST A SOMEONE'S TOSSING A BAG INTO THE BACK OF IT AND DRIVING OFF KIND OF THING. I KIND OF VIEW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO BE LEADING AND JUST TECHNOLOGY. I BET THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE GRANDIOSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, LEADING IN, LIKE TRYING TO FIND SOME OTHER OPTIONS FOR THINGS. SO THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO CONSIDER IS PITCHING THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD GO TO ECO TOWN AND GO, LOOK, WE CAN OFFER YOU A SPACE, WE CAN OFFER YOU ELECTRICAL HOOKUP TO MANAGE ONE OF THESE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING A UNIT, AND YOU COULD UTILIZE IT AS A SHOWCASE PIECE AS THE CITY. IF TAYLOR BEING AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I COULD GO ZERO COST TO US. PEOPLE CAN USE IT, GET USED TO USING IT. WE CAN SEE KIND OF HOW IT MANAGES AS AND THEN HAVE SOME TESTING INFORMATION TO KIND OF SEE. IS THERE SOME THERE THERE. IN THE MEANTIME, THEY GET THE ABILITY TO GO INTO A NEW MARKET WHICH IS LARGE FOR THEM, WHICH IS RIPE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS, AS THAT PITCH I HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMPANY. JUST TO SAY OUT LOUD, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I WAS KIND OF NOODLING OVER, LIKE, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS A LITTLE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DROP A DIME OTHER THAN HAVING ELECTRICITY IS LIKE A 220 LOADED THING, AND HAVING SPACE AVAILABLE TO THEM. I'M NEVER GOING TO TURN DOWN FREE, SO IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT. AND ARE YOU ARE YOU LEANING TOWARDS ZEUS OR ZEUS ONLY BECAUSE IT'S SELF-CONTAINED. YEAH. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYBODY DOING ANYTHING. YEAH SO BUT SO THEY I MEAN YOU SAW THE DEAL LIKE THERE'S IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE A DOOR. SO SOMEONE DRIVES UP LIKE THEY DO TODAY TO A DROP OFF THING. CRANK THIS THING UP AND DROP THEIR BAG IN AND OFF THEY GO. BUT AS PART OF THAT LEASE AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGEMENT OF IT, IF FOLKS DO START THROWING IN THE UTENSILS, THAT COULD. I MEAN, I'M IMAGINING IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY FINE SYSTEM. SO IF THAT COMES U, LIKE WHO'S COMING OUT TO FIX THAT, THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WILL DO THAT. AND IS THAT INCLUDED OR IS THAT ON TOP? LIKE IS THERE A SERVICE AGREEMENT? IT'S INCLUDED IN THE LEASE.YEAH. SO TODAY IN THE LEASE THAT'S INCLUDED, THEY HAVE A SERVICE PERSON. THEY WERE DOING IT. SO WHEN WE INITIALLY HAD INITIAL CONVERSATIONS IT WAS LIKE, OH, HOW MANY OF THESE WOULD YOU DO? AND I'M LIKE, WELL, LET'S JUST LET'S THROW OUT THREE AS A NUMBER. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF WORKING OFF OF THAT, TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT, LIKE WHAT, WHAT MAKES IT ADVANTAGEOUS FOR YOU GUYS TO COME INTO A NEW MARKET. YEAH, AND HOW WOULD THAT BE MANAGED? THEY. THE NICE THING IS THEY ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO HAVE THEIR SALES PERSON THAT'S IN TOLEDO, SO HE'S IN THE STATE, BUT NOT A HOP, SKIP AND A JUMP TO GET DOWN HERE. BUT COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY WITH PITTSBURGH THREE HOURS AWAY, THE OTHER DIRECTION. BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF
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THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH DOING SOME INVESTIGATION. IF WE GET A FREE TRIAL, VIRTUALLY FREE TRIAL, IT WOULD BE IT COULD BE INTERESTING. SO ONE THING I DID NOT PUT ON HERE WAS, THE 24,000 ANNUALLY FOR THE LEASE OPTION IS FOR ONE ZEUS. AND THAT WOULD GET US 50% OF THE SAUCE. THERE ARE CHEAPER OPTIONS, LIKE THE CHEAPEST OPTION, YOU ONLY GET 10% OF THE SAUCE AND THEN THERE'S LIKE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AND THEN THE 24,000 IS WHAT GETS YOU 50% OF THE SAUCE. SO THEY WOULD STILL TAKE THE OTHER 50% AND BOTTLE IT UP AND SELL IT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING NOT ON HERE THAT MIGHT BE OKAY. WELL SO WORTH INCLUDING IN YOUR. BUT TO BE FAIR, IF THAT'S A NEGOTIABLE. YEAH. LIKE OUR ORIGINAL MY ORIGINAL CONVERSATION BEFORE I PASSED THEM OFF TO CHELSEA WAS WE ACTUALLY WOULDN'T USE THE SAUCE BECAUSE WE CAN'T. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO TAKE IT AND TAKE IT TO PITTSBURGH TO SCREEN IT AND BOTTLE IT AND DO WHATEVER UNTIL THE SCALE AND THE LOCATION. SO I WAS A LITTLE MIFFED, FRANKLY, THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE THING. THEY GOT THEY GOT ALL THE CHELSEA, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, NO, THIS IS PERCENTAGES THAT ARE HAPPENING.SO I'M LIKE, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S NEGOTIABLE. AND DO WE HAVE IS THERE A EQUATION 500 POUNDS OF WASTE YIELDS X OUNCES OF SAUCE. I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVEN'T ASKED THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN VARY GREATLY ON WHAT IS BEING WHAT'S WHAT'S IN THE WHAT'S IN THE SAUCE. THAT'S THAT'S WHY IT'S A SECRET. RIGHT OKAY. I THINK THAT GIVES US SOME THINGS TO THINK THROUGH FROM A SO, DO YOU NEED A MOTION? YEAH, I THINK WE THE RFP. HOW DO YOU WANT TO SHAKE? SO I THINK WE WILL NEED A MOTION TO RECOMMEND A COUNCIL THAT THEY EXPAND. TRY A PILOT CURBSIDE PROGRAM IN 2025, AND, STAFF WILL WILL DO SOME WORK TO ESTIMATE WHAT WE THINK THAT COST WOULD BE, AND THEN WE WILL INCLUDE THAT IN THE BUDGET. AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GET SOMETHING DONE FASTER. THERE'S NOT A PILE OF MONEY OR SOMETHING. YOU'RE LUCKY YOU GOT A FOURTH DROP OFF.
TO PUT A FREE DIGESTER. I MOVE TO PROCEED WITH TAKING THE COUNCIL PROPOSAL TO INVESTIGATE A TRIAL OR A TRIAL. TRIAL? DROP OFF PROGRAM TO BE BUDGETED IN THE 2025 BUDGET. OKAY. DOES THAT GIVE YOU A BROAD ENOUGH PILOT CURBSIDE PROGRAM? PILOT CURBSIDE PROGRAM? YEAH. GOT IT. STEVE IS GOING TO WORK ON A GOOD LITTLE NAME FOR IT. SURE SECOND THREE, SECOND. YES SECOND. YEAH MR. SCHUMACHER. YES, MR. BARNES? YES, MISS GALLO? YES, MR. CONWAY? YES, MISS SCOTT? YES.
MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE WILL JUST OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH SWACO. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE IMPLEMENT A PILOT THAT GETS FUNDED, WE CAN DO IT NEXT YEAR. WE'LL PUT ON AN AGENDA TO KIND OF REVISIT IT AND SEE IF WE WANT TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS. DO WE DO WE NEED AN ACTION TO APPROACH THE TOWN WITH A I THINK WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH FROM OUR KIND OF PROCUREMENT STANDPOINT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I MEAN, THERE IS A I WAS JUST SITTING HERE THINKING, MAYBE WE DO AN RFP THAT WE JUST SAY WE WANT. WE HAVE A LOCATION, WE HAVE ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE A SYSTEM TO US. AND THEN AT LEAST BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT COMPANIES REACH OUT TO US, AT LEAST THEN WE COULD HAVE FAIRLY EVALUATE UNDER THOSE PARAMETERS. AND MAYBE NO ONE IS IN FOR THAT DEAL. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED WITH THAT, SO WE'LL THINK THROUGH THAT AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON. WE STILL GOT SOME STUFF TO DO, ANY OTHER COMPLEX CONVERSATIONS? YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE ON COMPOSTING? ANYTHING ELSE? NO COMPOSTING. OKAY, SO THE OTHER THING THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO CONSIDER THAT MIGHT HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT. SO WE WOULD NEED TO KIND OF DO SOME ESTIMATING TO MAKE A BUDGET PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL. IS WE'VE BEEN CALLING IT PETE. YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU COINED THIS, BUT YOU
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DID LAST MONTH. WE'VE BEEN CALLING IT THE POCKET PRAIRIE PROGRAM. AND THE BOARD LAST MONTH, AFTER THE PRESENTATION FROM MCCSC IN A DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, ASKED US TO IDENTIFY POSSIBLE CITY OWNED LOCATIONS THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT A POCKET PRAIRIES, AND SO WE'VE WE HAVE A MAP, BUT THE ONES WE'VE LOOKED AT ARE PLANNERS, GROVE PARK, SO THAT IS DOWN OFF MORSE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN THERE, JAMES RIVER IS ANOTHER CITY OWNED PARK THAT IS OFF JAMES RIVER ROAD. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT FROM THE ROAD, SO YOU MAY NOT KNOW IT'S THERE, BUT IT'S A LOVELY LITTLE PARK AND THE PLAYGROUND HAS BEEN, UPGRADED. BUT THEN THERE IS A THERE'S A POWER LINE EASEMENT IN THE BACK. SO THERE IS AN OPEN AREA IN THE BACK WITH THE LITTLE LOOP TRAIL AROUND IT, SO IT IS A MORE NATURAL AREA, BUT IT IS, IT'S, IT'S NOT ON A STREET. AND THAT COULD BE GOOD OR BAD, DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW, TAYLOR FARM PARK, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, ESPECIALLY THE FRONTAGE OF THE ROAD. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO TRY THERE TO, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU REMEMBER, KIND OF A HODGEPODGE OF JUST MATERIAL PLANT MATERIAL THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE PARK WAS DEVELOPED, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WINDSOR PARK. THAT'S A SMALLER SCALE. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, I THINK, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE A PRAIRIE, BUT A POLLEN POCKET POLLINATOR, MAYBE. AND THEN ASSUMPTION PARK IS IN THE LINKS.THAT'S THE MAIN PARK. YOU SEE, IF YOU'RE DRIVING UP BETHLEHEM BEAVER ROAD HAS SOME PLAY EQUIPMENT. IT HAS A FIELD, I DO KNOW THAT FIELD IS USED A LOT BY, LIKE, KIDS THROWING BALLS, AND IT'S MAYBE MORE ACTIVE. SO THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION TO MAKE, BECAUSE IF YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE THAT USE AWAY FROM PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONSIDER LIMITING.
WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONSIDER LAMBTON, THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER LAMBTON. YEAH. WHY WOULDN'T YOU? WHY NOT? I THINK LAMBTON HAS JUST. IT'S A LOVELY PARK, WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR DOGS RUN AROUND AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO USE IT, IT'S VERY VISIBLE. WHICH AGAIN, ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING, BUT CERTAINLY THESE ARE THE ONES WE'VE IDENTIFIED. AND THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE OWN SOMETHING OR NOT, WE CAN DEFINITELY FIND THAT OUT FOR YO. SO, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D KIND OF HAVE TO DO A COST ESTIMATE ON TO SEE WHAT THIS MIGHT COST, WHAT THE SIZE WOULD BE. THINK THROUGH. HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THIS? WE PROBABLY WANT SOME EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE THAT WE COULD ESTIMATE A COST FOR, IF THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT YOU WANTED TO UNDERTAKE IN 2025, WHO WHO OWNS THAT ENTIRE FRONTAGE ALONG MORRIS? IS IT THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, NO. MOST OF THAT IS THE CITY NOW. SO THAT'S KIND OF WE THE GREEN. YOU SEE, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED MOST OF THAT.
IT'S CALLED THE PADDOCK SPACE, RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT WE OWN. GOT IT BASICALLY FROM LIKE THE OH I SEE. YEAH. THE WRONG SPOT. YEAH FROM THE PLAYGROUND GOING EAST TO, WHAT'S THE ROAD THAT GOES OUT THERE, JAMES, I KNOW YOU MEAN. NO, IT'S HARLEM. HARLEM GOES OUT AND THEN THERE'S HEAD OF. MAYBE IT'S HEAD OF POND I'M THINKING OF. YEAH TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE IDEAS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT A LOT OF PEOPLE'S EYES ON IT. HE WANTS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THAT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE PAST OR WALK PAST A LOT AND SEE. AND IF YOU HAVE SIGNAGE THAT YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY READING. SO, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS TAYLOR FARM OR, THE LINKS, THOSE TWO STAND OUT TO ME AS ONES. THAT WOULD BE PRETTY HIGH TRAFFIC THROUGH THOSE AREAS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERACTING WITH IT. YOU KNOW, ARE WE TRYING TO NARROW THIS LIST DOWN, ADRIAN, OR, I THINK, YEAH. I MEAN, WE COULD IF WE WANTED A PROJECT OF, LIKE, DIFFERENT SCALES OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO FOCUS ONE ON POLLINATORS AND ONE ON SOMETHING ELSE, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CRAFT A PROJECT FROM IT THAT THEN WE COULD KIND OF ESTIMATE AND IMPLEMENT NEXT YEAR, OR MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE, A HANDFUL, MAYBE TAYLOR IS A
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CERTAIN APPLICATION AND PLANTER'S GROVE IS A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. WE'D HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THOSE COULD BE. AND AS A NATIVE, MOLLY PROBABLY HAS SOME CONCEPTS OF HOW THAT MIGHT WORK.YEAH, I THINK TAYLOR FARM PARK IS WOULD BE THE IDEAL. LIKE MAIN SPOT BECAUSE IT'S SO USED BY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY OF ALL AGES, AND PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY TOO. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS MAKING SURE WE REALLY EDUCATE PEOPLE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS A REAL PROJECT. THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, I THINK E3 LAB IS A PETE THING TO GET THE KIDS EXCITED AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL, TO EDUCATE THEIR PARENTS. RIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NATIVE PLANTS ARE I THINK THEY'RE INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST HOW THEY LOOK, WHICH IS THEY ARE VERY THEY CAN BE VERY BEAUTIFUL. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY DO SERVE MULTIPLE PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING WILDLIFE, ESPECIALLY EVEN AFTER, LIKE, THIS TIME OF YEAR WHEN IT'S STARTING TO LOOK A LITTLE PEAKING RIGHT NOW, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LEAVE THOSE THERE FOR A WHILE AND EDUCATE PEOPLE THAT, OKAY, IT MAY NOT LOOK PRETTY AT THE END OF THE SEASON, BUT LEAVE IT AND THEN YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. BUT, I JUST THINK IT'S JUST SUCH A GOOD THING TO HAVE. AND IT'S NOT JUST GOOD FOR WILDLIFE, IT'S NOT JUST GOOD FOR THE SOIL, IT'S GOOD FOR US. I JUST THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO. BUT I THINK AS FAR AS THE LITTLE PARKS, YEAH, I WOULD PROBABLY TEND TO DO SOMETHING BIGGER AT TAYLOR FARM AND MAYBE IN THE SMALLER LIKE PLANTERS. WELL, THAT'S PRETTY BIG. LIKE I WAS JUST THINKING, LIKE IN THE LINKS OF WHERE YOU HAVE FAMILIES, WHERE YOU HAVE SMALLER, MAYBE JUST DO MORE OF LIKE A POLLINATOR GARDEN, LIKE NOT AS BIG OF A SCALE. THE I'M GOING TO JUMP AT THAT PURPOSE. LIKE WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WAS WAS TRYING TO CHANGE LAND USE. I AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. SO WE WERE TRYING TO TAKE LAND THAT WASN'T CURRENTLY BEING USED LIKE TURF. BASICALLY OR UNPRODUCTIVE THINGS THAT TOOK RESOURCES, DIDN'T GIVE RESOURCES BACK AND CONVERT THEM. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF KIND OF WHERE YOUR HEAD WAS AT? I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE GOALS. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, LIKE I KNOW THAT WE'VE LOVED THE IDEA OF TAYLOR BY THE ROAD, BUT TAYLOR FARM IS IN ITSELF A NATIVE. RIGHT. PRAIRIE. YEAH SO I DON'T KNOW THAT DOING SOMETHING THERE. IF WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY IS A HUGE WIN. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING WITH THAT ROADWAY AT SOME POINT. BUT IN TERMS OF THIS PROJECT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S HOOK UP WITH A WATER SOURCE OR A STREAM SITUATION. AND TAKING CURRENTLY WHAT'S UNPRODUCTIVE LAND AND MAKING IT PRODUCTIVE BY HAVING THAT NATIVE PLANTING THE SEED. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE LYNX PARK LOOKS LIKE. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT'S MORE SO THAT'S MORE GRASS CURRENTLY, AND THE LINKS ON THE BOTTOM. YEAH, THERE'S A PLAYGROUND AND THEN THERE'S A GRASS AREA. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BIG. IT'S MUCH SMALLER IN SCALE THAN THE PLANNERS GROVE FRONTAGE ON MORRIS ROAD. BUT I'M IMAGINING WE'RE DOING THIS TO KIND OF DO THE EDUCATIONAL PART RIGHT. AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN I'M WITH YOU. I THINK EVENTUALLY WE WANT TO GET WELL. WE HAVE THESE LARGE SWATHS THAT NEED MOWED THAT COULD EVENTUALLY BE. BUT I THINK THE KEY IS TO EDUCATE PEOPLE TO KNOW, OH, HEY, THIS IS BECAUSE EVERYONE THINKS THAT GOLDENROD IS GOING TO GIVE YOU ALLERGIES.
THAT'S NOT GIVING YOU ALLERGIES RIGHT NOW. GOLDENROD IS ACTUALLY VERY BENEFICIAL, RAGWEED IS GIVING YOU ALLERGIES. THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WE NEED TO BE EDUCATING PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT GOLD AND THEY GO, OH MY GOSH, MY ALLERGIES ARE BAD. AND I'M LIKE, NOT BECAUSE OF THAT, SO I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, TO SORT OF DO IT IN THOSE STEPS AND SORT OF DO IT THAT COVERS THE EDUCATION PIECE. THEN I THINK I'M WITH YOU. LET'S MOVE INTO SOME OF THE BIGGER AREAS WHERE WE DO A NO MOW OR DO LIKE A EDGING MOW, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT KIND OF GET EVERYONE USED TO IT. YEAH, IT SOUNDS I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO SPECIFY THE LOCATIONS TONIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW ENOUGH FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
SO WE CAN KIND OF ESTIMATE A COST. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE PLANNERS GROVE COULD BE A GOOD DEMONSTRATION OF APPLICATION OF WHERE YOU'RE TURNING SOMETHING THAT'S MON REALLY INTO A PRAIRIE. MAYBE THERE'S AN APPLICATION OF A POLLINATOR WHICH GARDEN, WHICH COULD BE SMALLER AND BE IN ONE OF THESE SMALLER PARKS, AND THEN MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT FRONTAGE THAT WE COULD TEST OUT AT TAYLOR, BECAUSE THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT'S NEW AND BEEN PLANTED IS NATIVE, BUT THE FRONTAGE IS JUST KIND OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN GROWING.
THERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. THAT'S NATIVE. SO THERE COULD BE NATIVE. WE COULD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR US TO GO OFF OF, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A COST WOULD BE FOR THOSE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS. IF I'M HEARING THAT, WOULD, YOU KNOW, MEET THE GOALS THAT THIS
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BOARD HAS? YES, YES, I THINK SO. YEAH. I LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING SOME SIGNAGE IN THE BUDGET TOO, BECAUSE I DO THINK MAYBE EACH, SECTION HAS DIFFERENT SIGNAGE IS GIVING DIFFERENT LESSONS. LIKE MOLLY IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHY ARE WE DOING THIS AND WHY DOES IT LOOK THIS WAY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE LIKE A QR CODE OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD SCAN AND LINK IT TO THE CITY AND GO, OKAY, HERE'S IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ON THIS, BECAUSE I DO THINK PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS, BUT THEY ARE CURIOUS IN THEIR OWN TIME. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING ESPECIALLY IF WE PROMOTE IT THROUGH THE KIDS.HEY, LET'S GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THIS. OR LYNX HAS A NEW PARK OR THIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND THESE GIVE PEOPLE IDEAS OF HOW TO THEN INCORPORATE NATIVE LANDSCAPING INTO THEIR OWN EVENTUALLY SPACES. SO OKAY. YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY ESTIMATE SOME FOR SIGNAGE AND MAYBE EVEN CONTENT CREATION. I WONDER IF RUSH PARK MIGHT BE A GOOD CONSIDERATION AS WELL, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DIRECT CONNECTION THAT IT HAS, BOTH TO THE SCHOOL AND TO THE, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL SIDE OF THINGS, AND THEN CERTAINLY TO ROSE RUN STREAM, IT DOES HAVE YOU KNOW, AN ENTRY THAT IS PRIMARILY TURF GRASS. THEN CERTAINLY IT TAKES YOU DOWN INTO A VERY NATIVE VEGETATION. SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE AS WELL. PLUS IT'S PRETTY HEAVILY TRAVELED PATH. SO IT WOULD GET A LOT OF A LOT OF EYES ON IT AS WELL. JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO PUT OUT THERE. I LIKE THE WALKERS THERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY IT, YOU'RE LIKE, THE PLANNERS FEEL LIKE MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING BY THERE THAN WALKING BY THERE. RUSH PARK AND A LOT OF WALKERS. BIKERS. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. WELL, THIS IS GOOD. IF THERE IS A MOTION MADE TO PROPOSE THIS. YOU KNOW, MIKE'S REALLY GOOD AT PUTTING COST TO THINGS, SO WE'LL MAKE HIM, LIKE, DO THAT, AND WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL TAKE IT TO COUNCIL AS PART OF THE SAB BUDGET. ALL RIGHT. NO, I THINK I SEE YOU, BABY, OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TO COUNCIL THAT WE SET A BUDGET FOR A SERIES OF POCKET PRAIRIES THAT WOULD, HAVE BOTH EDUCATIONAL AND, BEAUTIFULLY BEAUTIFYING VISUAL APPEAL THERE. YOU GO. WITH SOME SIGNAGE TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT NATIVE PLANTS AND THEIR USES. IMPORTANCE YEAH, I'LL STICK IN WHATEVER HE SAYS. SOUNDS GOOD. WHATEVER YOU SAY. THAT'S WHY WE LET CHARLES DO THAT. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER, MR. BARNES. YES, MISS SCOTT? YES MR. SCHUMACHER? YES, MISS GALLO? YES MR. CONWAY. YES. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR LAST KIND OF BUDGET, THING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR YEAR IN REVIEW AND WORK PLAN. AND SO TONIGHT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON ANYTHING THAT HAS A BUDGET IMPACT. AND WE JUST GOT THROUGH THE BULK OF THEM. SO THE REST I THINK YOU GUYS ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LIKE CONFIRM WE STILL WANT TO DO THIS, AND THEN NEXT MONTH THERE ARE A LOT OF MORE OPERATIONAL ITEMS ON OUR WORK PLAN THAT THEN REALLY DON'T HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT. BUT IT DOES HAVE LIKE A STAFF STAFFING IMPACT. SO NEXT MONTH AT OUR MEETING, WE'LL GO OVER THOSE WITH YOU, SO WE STILL HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THAT. THIS WAS OUR OUR WORK PLAN FOR THIS YEAR. SO REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE WERE GOING INTO OUR SECOND YEAR, WE KIND OF WE HAD YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. WE BROKE THIS INTO CORE ACTIVITIES. AND THESE ALL REALLY GO UNDER THE WASTE REDUCTION GOAL THAT THE BOARD DECIDED WAS ONE OF YOUR PRIORITIES. SO THIS INCLUDES OUR ALL OUR RECYCLING THINGS LIKE THE YARD SIGNS, THE PUMPKINS, PUMPKINS ARE GOING TO START HERE SOON. HOLIDAY LIGHTING, THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE PAPER SHREDDING IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE YET, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS. THIS INCLUDES THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM AND THEN OUR EARTH DAY, THE ARBOR DAY ACTIVITIES AS KIND OF OUR CORE ACTIVITIES. DOES EVERYONE ON THE BOARD AGREE THAT THESE ARE STILL THE CORE ACTIVITIES WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH? OKAY LIKE MAYBE LET'S HAVE A MOTION JUST SO WE CAN CONFIRM THAT I MOVE, THAT WE KEEP ALL OF THE SAME THINGS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS SECOND YEAR WORK PLAN IN PLACE, AND THE PAPER SHREDDING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I GET ASKED ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME. DO YOU, WHEN I'M TALKING UP, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING. YEAH. OH, THAT'S GOOD TO
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KNOW THAT THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THAT SECOND. MISS GALLO. YES, MR. BARNES? YES MR. SCHUMACHER.YES. MR. CONWAY? YES, MISS SCOTT? YES. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT THEN. OUR NEXT, AREA WAS OUR ONGOING PROGRAMS. SO THE ONLY THE FIRST TWO HAVE A BUDGETARY IMPACT. THE SLS GRANT.
SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN OUR 2023 BUDGET FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, EVEN THOUGH WE IMPLEMENTED IT IN 24. SO LIKE IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON OUR LIKE ACTUALS AS SOMETHING WE'VE SPENT IN 2024 BECAUSE WE'RE STILL USING OUR 2023 POA FOR THAT. SO THAT MEANS WE DIDN'T HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR IT IN THE 2024 BUDGET, IF THAT IS SOMETHING, THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE, I THE BOARD CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO BUDGET FOR THAT IN 2025. I THINK SOME LESSONS LEARNED ON OUR SIDE FROM GOING THROUGH IT. WE PROBABLY WANT TO, NARROW IN ON A MAXIMUM DOLLAR AMOUNT. I DON'T THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE I THINK WE SPENT 2023. YEAH, LESS THAN THREE ON BOTH OF THE GRANTS. RIGHT. THERE IS A LOT THE WAY WE HAVE TO ADMINISTER IT IS VERY STAFF INTENSIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE ALL THOSE PURCHASES BECAUSE WE CAN'T, LIKE, GIVE A CHECK TO A 14 YEAR OLD, SO I WOULD SAY IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, WE HAD NO IDEA. I THINK WE BUDGETED LIKE $20,000 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD GET. I THINK WE COULD BUDGET A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT, AND MAYBE WE EVEN THINK OF LIKE A, A CAP, A MAXIMUM GRANT THAT EACH APPLICANT COULD GET, AND SO THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS, I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT AGAIN? AND THEN TO WHAT AMOUNT DO YOU WANT TO BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR? I GUESS I'D LIKE TO DO IT AGAIN. I'VE HAD SOME INTEREST FROM STUDENTS ABOUT THE GRANT, SO IF WE DID IT FOR 25, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE LIKE 20. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT SCHOOL YEARS. WOULD THAT BE FOR THE 25 FALL? 25 SCHOOL YEAR? SO THE MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE JANUARY OF 25. I DON'T I GUESS YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW BEST ON HOW THAT. DO WE MAKE IT AVAILABLE IN JANUARY IF BECAUSE THE LIKE I'M NOT SURE THE GIRL SCOUTS THAT SCHOOL YEAR CYCLE. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM AS MUCH. I THINK SOME THOSE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, THEY CAN GO TO TWO YEARS TYPE OF THING. SO I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK FOR THEM. BUT I MEAN WE COULD MAKE IT LIKE AN ONGOING WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY HAVE A DEADLINE. IT COULD BE AN ONGOING APPLICATION CYCLE, UNTIL THE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, ARE ALL GRANTED OUT AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD DO IT. LIKE A SMALLER AMOUNT MAKES SENSE. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, 2500 OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. YEAH. AND I GUESS IS HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT A DIFFERENT WAY TO MANAGE THE FUNDS. SO YOU I MEAN, WE TECHNICALLY GIVE THE GRANT TO AN ADULT, SOMEBODY THAT IS IN CHARGE OF THE PROJECT. WE DID OUR OUR FIRST TAKE WAS, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE COULD JUST GIVE THE GRANT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? AND THEY HAVE SOME LIKE THEY ALREADY HAVE PURCHASING POLICIES AND CLUBS AND ADVISORS, THAT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS. IT WASN'T FEASIBLE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I, WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT LIKE AN ADULT OR AN ADVISOR, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. OKAY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO I MEAN, I LOVE THE PROGRAM, SO I DO WANT TO CONTINUE IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THE LOAD OFF OF STAFF AS FAR AS ADMINISTERING IT, FOR THAT AS WELL. YEAH. AND IF WE TAKE THE NUMBER DOWN, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD KEEP IT AT LIKE 5000. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO 20, BUT JUST IN CASE A GREAT PROGRAM COMES IN. AND AGAIN, IF WE DON'T USE IT, THEN WE'VE GOT MONEY FOR A FIFTH COMPOST LOCATION. RIGHT. CAN WE DO THIS? KASEY'S HOUSE? THAT'S RIGHT. LAMPTON PARK ZOO, SURROUNDED BY NATIVE LANDSCAPING. TWO BIRDS, ONE STONE. CHARLES WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE ROOFS, SHOUTING AT PEOPLE. SPEEDING. YEAH, AND MAKE SURE WHEN YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THOSE FOLKS TO TRY TO GET YOUR FREE ZOOS, THERE'S NO WAY IN HECK THAT THAT THEY CAN EVER SAY ZOOS IN NEW YO COME TO THE BCA MEETING OR FOR
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THAT ONE AND SEE IF THAT GETS APPROVED. THIS IS WHERE WE MAY NEED SOME OF YOUR HELP. OKAY. SO I AS I SAID, I, I'D LIKE TO THROW TEN AT IT FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, IF WE GET IT PASSED.I MEAN, ONE OF THESE WAS 2300. THAT GAVE US A BIG IMPACT. SO I'D HATE TO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE TWO JUST BECAUSE WE HAD TWO. SO I'D RATHER BUDGET FOR MORE AND THEN HAVE IT LEFT, IF THAT'S. WELL, AND I THINK IF WE MADE IT AN ONGOING APPLICATION, WE MIGHT GET, THEN WE MIGHT GET MORE BECAUSE WE HAD IT. WHAT WAS IT, OCTOBER OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. AND THEY WERE JUST IN SCHOOL AND THEY WERE GETTING USED TO THAT, AND THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN KIDS THAT NOTICED WHAT SOMEONE ELSE WAS DOING, OR THE GIRLS WERE TALKING IT UP AND THEY THOUGHT, OH, I MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT IF WE JUST LET IT BE APPLY, AND IF YOU GET IT, YOU GET IT. IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T. YEAH. OKAY. IF WE THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE AND SPEND THE MONEY AND OKAY. AND WE'LL LOOK AT WAYS TO SIMPLIFY ADMINISTRATION OF IT. HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT HAS A BUDGET IMPACT. AND WE'LL I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR BOTH OF THESE AT ONCE, THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WAS OUR TRADE IN PROGRAM. AND AGAIN, WE, WE HAD WAS IT 4000.
AND THEN WE HAD THE EXTRA LINE ITEM, I THINK 7500. I THINK WE WERE JUST LIKE LOOKING TO FILL A GAP, LIKE TO GET TO A CERTAIN OVERALL BUDGET NUMBER, AGAIN, WE WON'T REALLY KNOW THE SUCCESS OF THAT BEFORE WE ENTER IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO, I MEAN, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF ROLL WITH THAT AND SEE HOW IT GOES. AND THEN THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR FOR THE 26 BUDGET, OR IF YOU WANT TO BUDGET FOR IT, SEE HOW IT GOES. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IF WE WANT TO DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. YEAH, I WOULD TEND TOWARD SUPPORTING THIS IN THE 2025 BUDGET PLAN, WE DID 2500 AND THEN WE FOUND THAT 7000 ADDITIONAL THAT'S WE HAD FOUR. SO WE HAVE TWO LINE ITEMS. WE HAVE A 4000 AND A 7000. OH I'M SORRY, I JUMPED DOWN TO THE ONE THING. SORRY. YES. YEAH SO WE COULD I MEAN WE COULD DO 11 FIVE IF WE WANTED TO COMBINE THOSE AND I MEAN, THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH A BUDGETING APPROVAL PROCESS. SO THERE MIGHT BE TWEAKS, BUT WE COULD START OUT THERE. THIS GETS INTO THIS WHICH POCKET DOES SOMETHING COME OUT OF IN ORDER. WORST CASE SCENARIO WE DON'T GET ANYBODY THAT DOES THIS, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BUDGET FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO SUPPORT MIKE'S GROUP GOING THROUGH AND DOING SOME TRADE OUTS OF CITY PROPERT, CITY TREES THAT ARE OR SHRUBS, I KNOW IT'S AN ONGOING PROGRAM. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. YEAH. SO WE. YEAH. I MEAN, OR IS THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN INVASIVE YOU HAVE A BUDGET OPERATING BUDGET FOR THAT WORK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT IS OFFHAND. YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT IS RIGHT NOW THAT IS VERY TARGETED TO, LIKE REMOVAL OF EXISTING, INVASIVE SPECIES AND THEN MAINTAINING THE REMOVAL OF THOSE, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITHIN AN OPERATING BUDGET. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE PART OF COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, I THINK SO. IF THIS ISN'T SUCCESSFUL AND WE HAVE A $11,000 IN THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT ANOTHER OPTION FOR THAT MONEY, KIND OF HOW WE ADDED THE FOURTH COMPOST DROP OFF. WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR THAT. BUT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT IT. IT WENT TO COUNCIL. SO I THINK WE COULD REALLOCATE THAT IF WE NEEDED TO. YOU LIKE 11. SURE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR THIS SLS GRANT AND THE INVASIVE TRADE IN PROGRAM TO BE INCLUDED IN THE 2025 BUDGET PROPOSAL. SO MOVED I MOVED WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. LET'S
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FORGET ABOUT THAT ONE. MINE WASN'T CRAPPY, SO I'D LIKE TO RUMBLE THROUGH SOME MOTION MADE BY MISS SCOTT. SECOND, SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHELSEA. MISS SCOTT? YES, MR. SCHUMACHER? YES.MR. BARNES? YES, MISS. GALLO? YES. MR. CONWAY? YES. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THESE ARE ALL OPERATIONAL, SO WE'LL REVIEW THOSE NEXT MONTH. THESE ARE EDUCATIONAL. I THINK WE COULD GO OVER THOSE NEXT MONTH AND THEN. YES. OH, GEEZ. WE WERE REALLY AMBITIOUS LAST YEAR. I CAN'T EVEN READ THAT, I THINK THESE WERE, MORE RESEARCH. YEAH THESE ARE MORE RESEARCH AND EDUCATIONAL ITEMS. AND THAT WAS IT. SO WE'LL REVIEW THOSE NEXT MONTH IF YOU HAVE ANY, IF YOU NEED A COPY OF THIS, LET US KNOW. WE CAN GIVE IT TO YOU IN ADVANCE IF YOU HAVE ANY NEW THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, THINK ABOUT THAT. WE'LL PROBABLY GO THROUGH THESE AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'VE DONE. ASK YOU IF THERE'S THINGS YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF AND THINGS OR THINGS YOU WANT TO ADD, AND THEN THAT WILL FILL OUT OUR 2025 WORK PROGRAM. CAN YOU JUST EMAIL US A COPY? YEAH, FOR SURE. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS ALL YOUR BUSINESS FOR TONIGHT. THAT IS ALL OUR BUSINESS. AND WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? SEEING NONE, I MOVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 807. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? MR. CONWAY? SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE SORRY. YOU'RE KILLING US
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