[I. Call to order]
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GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO PLEASE CALL TO ORDER THE NEW ALBANY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING FOR MONDAY, DECEMBER 9TH, 2020. FOR. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. HENSON HERE. MR. ITEM HERE. MR. BROWN HERE. MISS MOORE HERE. MR. MALLETT'S HERE. MR. DAVIES HERE.
MR. STROLLER, COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. HERE. WE HAVE SIX VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ACTION ON THE MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 13TH,
[III. Action on minutes: November 13, 2024]
2024 MEETING? OH, NO. GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. MALITZ WHETHER THE EXPRESSION OF THE MOTION THAT YOU WANTED BACK ON PAGE FOUR ACCURATELY REFLECTED WHAT YOU INTENDED. I THINK IT DOES. YES, I DID. YES. I WAS GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE. BUT THEN NOW YOU CAN. I'LL LET YOU MOVE FORWARD. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES. I SECOND. MR. MALITZ. YES. MR. ITEM. YES. MR. DAVIES. YES, MISS. MOORE. I WAS ABSENT, SO I WILL ABSTAIN. MR. HENSON. YES.MR. BROWN. I WAS ABSENT AS WELL. BUT I WILL VOTE YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH FIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES. AS SUBMITTED. STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? NONE FROM STAFF. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ADMINISTER THE OATH TO ANY WITNESS OR APPLICANT WHO PLANS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE THE. ARE THERE ANY VISITORS FOR ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? PRESENT? SEEING NONE, I'LL MOVE FORWARD
[VI. Cases]
WITH OUR FIRST CASE. A OR B 87 2024 FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TO ALLOW NEW SIGN AT NINE 911 SOUTH HIGH STREET. THE APPLICANT IS WESLEY ROBERTS. CARE OF BLAKE KUHN.STAFF REPORT. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BUILDING IS SITUATED ON SOUTH HIGH STREET WITH EAGLES PIZZA TO THE NORTHEAST, AS SEEN IN THE VIDEO OR IN THE PICTURE. SO FOR THE PROPOSED PLACEMENT, THE SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE PLACED ON THE BUILDING FRONT ALONG SOUTH HIGH STREET IN BETWEEN BOTH ENTRANCES. THE BUILDING IS A TWO TENANT BUILDING, BUT IS BEING OCCUPIED BY THE SAME TENANT IN BOTH. THE SIGN WILL BE EIGHT FEET AND EIGHT INCHES OFF OF THE SIDEWALK, AND EIGHT FEET FROM THE STAIRS BELOW IT, AND THE SIGN WILL HAVE EXTERNAL LIGHTIN. FOR THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIGN, IT WILL HAVE SIX SQUARE FEET PER SIDE WITH A WIDTH OF THREE FEET HIGH OR SORRY, THREE. A WIDTH OF THREE FEET AND A HEIGHT OF TWO FEET, WHICH MEETS THE CODE AND THE COLORS WILL BE BLACK WITH BRUSHED SILVER. THE SIGN IS MADE OUT OF METAL WITH WELDED ONE BY TWO INCH STEEL TUBE FRAME, WHICH MEETS WHICH IS A PERMITTED SIGN MATERIAL AND MEETS THE ONE INCH SIGN RELIEF, AND THE SIGN READS GREENSTEIN. GREENSTEIN MCCARTHY IN SILVER BRUSH LETTERING, THE CORNER ELEMENTS AND THE ABOVE AND BELOW BARS ARE ALSO IN THAT BRUSHED SILVER, AND THE MOUNTING STYLE WILL BE AN ARMATURE. THE PROPOSED SIGN APPEARS TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SPACE, SINCE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING AND THE OVERALL VILLAGE CENTER. THE PROPOSED SIGN USES A DARK BACKGROUND WITH LIGHT LETTERING TO MATCH THE ESTHETICS OF SIMILAR SIGNS IN VILLAGE CENTER, AND THE PROJECTING SIGN MEETS ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS. I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? NO I'M. I'M BLAKE WITH WESLEY ROBERTS AND THEN OUR DESIGN COLLABORATOR GLENN. WHO WE DID THE 24 MAIN SIGN AS WELL. SOME SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES IN HERE BUT NO WE'RE WE'RE REALLY EXCITED. A LOT OF THE SIMILAR MATERIALS FROM THE 24 MAIN SIGN WILL BE USED IN TERMS OF THE WEATHER, DURABILITY, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT TURNED OUT GREAT. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT ADDITION. SO I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE ELEVATION. IT APPEARED AS THOUGH THERE WAS LIGHTING ABOVE THE SIGN. BUT THEN I ALSO SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO DIRECTIONAL LIGHTS THAT APPEAR TO BE WALL MOUNTED. HOW AM I? AM I READING THAT INCORRECTLY ON THE ELEVATION? NOT THIS SLIDE. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHAT IS THE. IS THAT JUST A DECORATIVE ELEMENT ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE SIGN? GREAT QUESTION ANDREW. THOSE ARE PURELY DECORATIVE.
OKAY, SO THOSE ARE PURE METAL. SO THERE IS NO LIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS AN LED STRIP
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LIGHT. NO. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. NOT THAT IT MATTERS TO ME, BUT I THINK THE COMMENT WAS IT WAS MADE OF METAL, BUT I THINK THE ACTUAL SIGN ITSELF, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE THINGS THAT IT WAS AN EXTERIOR GRADE MDL, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN METAL. OKAY. BUT THAT'S THE SAME MATERIAL USED AT 24 MEG. CORRECT. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE SIGN. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT AS WELL. ONLY QUESTION. I HAD SIMILAR LIGHTING. QUESTION WAS THE LIGHT PLACEMENT. IS IT TYPICAL WITH THE REST OF THE SIGNS ON THAT BUILDING? I NEEDED TO GET OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK, AND I DID NOT. THERE ARE NO OTHER SIGNS ON THAT BUILDING? NO. IT'LL BE. IT'LL BE THE ONLY SIGN. IT'LL BE UNIQUE. OKAY. I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL. I'LL SECOND. I'LL ONCE AGAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. ITEM. YES. MR. PERALEZ? YES.YES. MOORE. YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MR. DAVIS. YES. MR. HENSON. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT CASE FOR THIS EVENING IS ARB 88 2024 FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW FIELD HOUSE AND COMMUNITY CENTER AT 7839 BILHEIMER ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS WCA STUDIO CHAIR FRANK WEBER. WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HERE'S A MAP SHOWING WHERE THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY.
THE SITE IS NOT LOCATED IN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. HOWEVER, IT IS OWNED BY THE CITY. THE NEXT STEPS AFTER THIS MEETING IS TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY AND ZONE IT TO COMMUNITY FACILITIES. THE SITE WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE NEW ALBANY PARKS AND RECREATION, WHICH IS A JOINT DISTRICT WITH THE NEW ALBANY PLAIN LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND PLAIN TOWNSHIP. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES 169,954 SQUARE FOOT FIELD HOUSE AND COMMUNITY CENTER, INCLUDING A 54,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMUNITY CENTER, TWO TURF FIELDS FOR BASKETBALL AND OR VOLLEYBALL COURTS, AND ASSOCIATED PARKING. THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED BY ONE FULL ACCESS ACCESS CURB CUT ALONG BEVEL ROAD. THE DEVELOPMENT GENERALLY COMPLIES WITH ALL THE SITE LAYOUT REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING SETBACKS WHICH THE PLAN EXCEEDS ALL MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACKS. FOR THE USES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 298 PARKING SPACES, AND THEY ARE PROVIDING 306 SPACES. A LEISURE PATH ALONG BEVERLEY ROAD IS REQUIRED, HOWEVER, AS THERE WILL BE A ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENT ON BEVERLEY ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THE HORSE FENCE AND LEISURE TRAIL AS THESE WILL BE INSTALLED BY THE CITY. ONCE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE FINALIZED, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS MEANING ALL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, ALL TREE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.
HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASES PROPOSED TREE PLANTING AND DENSITY OF SPECIES ADJACENT TO BETHLEHEM ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDING THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE AREA OF 6544FT■!S. BY PROPOSING 30,967FS OF LANDSCAPE AREA. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROPRIATE SETBACKS TO THE STREAM WAY TO THE NORTH, AND PROPOSES A NATURALIZED DRY BASIN THAT IS MEETING THE SLOPE REQUIREMENTS. THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND HAD A FEW MINOR COMMENTS THAT ARE LOCATED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT. STAFF WANTED TO POINT OUT THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND MOUNDING THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A 72 FOOT SIX INCH BUFFER EXCEEDING THE REQUIRED 25 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER TO ENHANCE THE SEPARATION FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOT. STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION THAT THE MOUNDING BE AT LEAST THREE FEET 3.5FT IN HEIGHT. HERE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES BARN STYLE BUILDING SIMILAR TO THE NEW ALBANY PUBLIC SERVICE BUILDING THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE SITE TO THE EAST, INCLUDING STEEL WALL PANELS, BRICK AND BEACH WALL, BEECHWOOD LONG BOARDS. A DIGITAL SAMPLE MATERIAL BOARD HAS BEEN SUBMITTED WHICH SHOWS DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED MATERIAL. THERE ARE ALSO PHYSICAL MATERIALS RIGHT HERE IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED BUILDING FEATURES AQUARIAN DESIGNS, INCLUDING A VARIETY OF WINDOW TYPES AND WHITE OAK WRAPPED COLUMNS. THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET AND FEATURES SIGNAGE AND AN AWNING, MAKING IT EASILY IDENTIFIABLE. THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS, AND STATED THAT THE ARCHITECTURE INTEGRATES RURAL CHARACTER AND IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. IN SUMMARY, THE DESIGN FOR THE NEW BUILDING IS OF A HIGH QUALITY AND SITE STRATEGY, BUILDING MASSING AND EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS SEAMLESSLY BLEND WITH THE EXISTING AREA. THE SITE IS WELL LAID OUT, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SCREENING TO CREATE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. THIS
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PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT EXCEEDS OR MEETS NEARLY ALL SETBACKS AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS, AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT ALSO DOES HAVE A VIDEO THAT I CAN PLAY WHEN YOU'RE READY. OKAY. LET ME CAN I POSE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FIRST JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. ON THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS. SO WE TALK ABOUT WE WANT TO HAVE HALBROOK LIGHTS RATHER THAN LITHONIA LIGHTING FIXTURES AND AGAIN PERHAPS MR. HINSON OR MR. DAVIE OR ANYONE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I ON TERMS OF READING PLANS. IS THERE SOMEWHERE IN IN THE PLANS THAT TELLS US HOW TALL THESE FIXTURES ARE? ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADD TO MR. RYAN'S COMMENTS? DO WE NEED THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN UPDATED FOR THAT LIGHTING CHANG? I DON'T THINK THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, BUT THE SPECIFICATION LIGHTING WILL HAVE TO BE UPDATED.UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NOT SEE A HEIGHT ON HERE, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT HOW TALL.
OKAY, WELL, AND I DON'T. LET'S NOT COMPLICATE IT RIGHT NOW. SO THAT THAT WAS ONE QUESTION, WHICH IS I'M ASSUMING WHEN WE SAID WE'D RATHER HAVE THE OTHER ONE, I'M ASSUMING THAT WHATEVER THE HEIGHT OF THE PRIOR ONE WAS, WE WANT THE NEW ONE TO BE THE SAME HEIGHT. BUT I DON'T I CAN'T SUBJECT TO THE PHOTOMETRIC. YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN NEXT QUESTION WAS WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF INCREASED PROPOSED TREE PLANTING AND DENSITY OF SPECIES ADJACENT TO BETHLEHEM ROAD. BUT THAT DOESN'T TELL ME A WHOLE LOT. I MEAN, ONE MORE IS TO INCREASE IT. WHAT? WHAT WHAT WHAT IS THE MAGNITUDE OF THE INCREASE THAT THIS BOARD IS GOING TO CONDITION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRETTY OPEN ENDED. SO ON THE. SO ON THE MXQ ATTACHMENT FOR NUMBER THREE, IT KIND OF SHOWS WHAT OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS REQUESTED. OKAY. SO INCREASE IT AS SET FORTH IN AS SET FORTH IN THE MXQ. EXACTLY. YEAH. IT SAYS LABEL THREE IS SHOWING. OKAY.
THAT'S. AND THEN WE ALSO THEN HAD ON THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED THE WE WANTED TO REPLACE THE HALBROOK LIGHT WITH WITH WE WANTED TO PLACE LAFONIA WITH HALBROOK AND WE WANTED THOSE TO BE NEW ALBANY GREEN. AND I PRESUME THAT THAT MEANS GOING BACK TO THE LIGHTING FIXTURES HERE. I THINK IT'S THE P ONE AND P TWO LIGHTS ON THE ON THE PLAN IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT NONE OF THE OTHER ONES, THE OTHER ONES WILL REMAIN BLACK. OKAY. THOSE WERE THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR NOW. A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THERE'S A LINE IN THE WRITE UP THAT SAYS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS OR EXCEEDS NEARLY ALL SETBACK AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS. IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THE NEARLY SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T NEED SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED? NO, I WAS JUST KIND OF SAYING THAT FOR BECAUSE THERE WERE CONDITIONS INCLUDED. BUT NO, IT IS MEETING ALL OF THE SETBACKS. IT EXCEEDS EVERY SETBACK. ALL RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE. YEAH. SO I THINK QUANTITATIVELY IT'S MEETING ALL THE SETBACKS. IT'S JUST QUALITATIVELY LIKE THE DESIGN IS WHERE THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAD SOME COMMENTS. OKAY. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME SIGNAGE DETAILS THAT WERE NOTED ON THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT. ARE THEY PART OF THE ARE WE APPROVING SIGNS OR APPROVING SIGNAGE? BUILDING SIGNS OR THAT COME BACK TO US, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE. SO ACTUALLY SIGNAGE IS NOT PART OF THIS SINCE IT'S OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER, SIGNAGE WILL BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY CITY STAFF. OKAY. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS THEY MAKE YOU HAPPY. OKAY, THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE ON THE RENDERING HERE. THE ROOFTOP UNITS THAT ARE LOCATED BETWEEN THE TWO PRIMARY STRUCTURES, ARE THEY SUBJECT TO SCREENING REQUIREMENTS? I DIDN'T HELP, THANK YOU. RIGHT. RIGHT HERE.
AND HOW ARE THOSE ARTICULATED? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. BUT YEAH, FRANK, IF YOU WANT. THANKS. GOOD EVENING. I'M FRANK WEAVER WITH THE STUDIO. THE ARCHITECT. WE DID STUDY THIS FROM LIGHT OF SIGN OF LIGHT.
LINE OF SIGN. AND IT'S THE UNITS. SIT BACK SO FAR THAT WE FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD NOT ACTUALLY SEE THEM. THIS KIND OF DRAWING ACTUALLY SHOWS THE ROOFTOP UNITS. BUT YOU LOOK AT ELEVATION. THEY SIT SO FAR BACK ON THE ROOF THAT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY VISIBLE. LINE OF SIGHT.
THEY'RE TUCKED BETWEEN THE GABLE. YEAH. OKAY. I GUESS I'M READY FOR VIDEO. WE GOT A VIDEO.
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THE MOVIE. YOU GOT A MOVIE? SURE. ACTUALLY, I WAS GOING TO LET DAVE WHARTON SAY A FEW WORDS TO KIND OF KICK THE PROJECT OFF. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. JUST WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU. THE TEAM WILL TAKE CARE OF THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THINGS, BUT THE VOTERS OF THE DISTRICT PASSED THIS BACK IN 22Y DILIGENTLY WITH EVERYBODY TO MEET ALL THE STANDARDS AND MEET AND THE DESIGN AND THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. AS WELL. WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE OFFERING ALL THE AMENITIES. WE HAVEN'T HAD AN INDOOR RECREATIONAL FACILITY IN NEW ALBANY, HAVE BEEN WITH THE PARK DISTRICT FOR OVER 24 YEARS NOW, SO IT'S VERY EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO OFFER INDOOR TURF. THE BASKETBALL COURTS, THE TRACK.THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY UNIQUE FACILITY AS FAR AS A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT'S BEING OFFERED TO CENTRAL OHIO. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE LEADING THE WAY IN SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE. SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO WE'VE HAD A FEW CHALLENGES ALONG THE WAY, BUT WE'VE WORKED THOSE OUT WITH THE COLUMBUS AS FAR AS WATER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE ARE EXCITED TO GET THE PROJECT GOING AND GET IT BUILT AND GET THE AMENITIES OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO IT LOOKS GREAT. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR TENNIS COURTS? I'M SORRY. ANY PLANS FOR TENNIS COURTS? SO THEY'RE THE SIX, THE FOUR COURTS THAT ARE INSIDE THE TRACK. THEY ARE RIGHT NOW BEING SLATED FOR MULTI-USE SURFACING THAT CAN BE USED FOR BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL ON ALL FOUR, PICKLEBALL ON THEIR SIX COURTS ON THE TWO. AND THEN THERE'S BASKETBALL SHORT, SHORT COURT. THAT MEANS TWO ON THERE. SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT TEN INDOOR TENNIS AVAILABLE FOR THAT FACILITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. DAVE HOW BIG IS THE TRACK? 200M. OKA.
WE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL COACHES, THE SCHOOL ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD OFFER AS MANY POSSIBILITIES BETWEEN THOSE STUDENT SENIORS WALKING ALL THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AGE SEGMENTS AND DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE COULD SERVICE AS MUCH AS WE COULD WITHIN THE BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. READY? FOR THE POP FOR NOW.
THANK YOU. VERYICE N. VERY NICE. I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION AFTER SEEING THE VIDEO IS WILL WILL THE FACILITY BE USED TO HOST EVENTS, LARGE EVENTS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SCHOOL BUSSES AND
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THINGS? AND IF SO, WHAT'S THE ACCOMMODATION FOR PARKING? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT ALWAYS ENDS UP BEING A QUESTION WITH FACILITIES OF THIS SIZE. I WONDER IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT. DO YOU HAVE PLANS FOR REGIONAL EVENTS LIKE THAT? COULD YOU COME TO THE MIC PLEASE? THANK YOU. THAT DID COME INTO PLAY AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO PROGRAM IT OUT FOR REGIONAL EVENTS AND BIGGER TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITHIN THE FACILITY. BUT WE HAVE 1100 PARKING SPACES ACROSS THE STREET WITHIN BETHEL GRAMMAR THAT'S ATTACHED. SO WE FEEL WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM THAT BECOMES A LOGISTICAL SCHEDULING CHALLENGE TO DO THAT WITH REGIONAL LACROSSE EVENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HOST. SO KNOWING THOSE CHALLENGES WITH PARKING AND BUSSING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE WOULD BE TIMING THAT LOGISTICALLY. OKAY. SO YOU'LL SPILL OVER TO THE ADJACENT PARKING AREAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO ARE YOU READY? I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A PEEK AT THE MATERIALS HERE. WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, CAN I. I CAN POSE A FEW QUESTIONS TO THE WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THEM ON. LET'S SEE. I GUESS THE PAGE 21, WHICH IN A NUMBER OF PLACES ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. SORRY.ON THE EAST ELEVATION AND AGAIN ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AND THE WEST ELEVATION, THERE ARE DESIGNATIONS FOR SCREENING AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT TOLD ME WHAT THE SCREENING WAS GOING TO BE AND WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE COLORED, ETC. SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SCREENING WAS. HI, I'M LAUREN MILLER. I'M ALSO WITH WSI. I'M AN ARCHITECT. SO ALL OF THAT SCREENING THAT YOU SEE IS FOR THE MASSIVE AIR ROTATION UNITS THAT SIT OUTSIDE OF THE BIG COMMUNITY PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDINGS. AND THOSE WILL BE A CORRUGATED HORIZONTAL METAL SCREEN. RIGHT NOW IT IS BEING IN THE PROCESS, BUT REGARDLESS IT WILL BE A METAL SCREEN. THERE WILL HAVE PERFORATIONS IN IT FOR AIR MOVEMENT. THEY ALL COME UP TO TEN FEET HIGH, SO THEY'LL COVER. YOU KNOW I SAY ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT DOWN BELOW THAT, ALL OF THE LOW EQUIPMENT, YOU WILL STILL SEE THE AIR ROTATION UNIT'S UP ABOVE IT, BUT THEY WILL BE PAINTED LIKE A MEDIUM GRAY COLOR. DO WE HAVE THAT COLOR IN THE. NO. AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU ALL WHERE WE CAN. YOU'VE GOT A PEN. SO SINCE I DIDN'T BRING A PEN. YEAH, WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE THAT BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. AND IS ANYBODY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACTUAL MATERIAL USED? I'LL TURN TO MY ARCHITECT. WELL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO A COUPLE AREAS WHERE PAINT IS INDICATED. I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE SUBSTRATE WAS BEHIND IT. SO ONE OF THEM WAS ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRY. YES. AND THEN AT THE MEZZANINE AREA. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE BOTH. THOSE ARE ALL FIBER CEMENT PANELS.
OKAY. THAT WILL BE PAINTED WITH THE DESIGNATED COLOR. THANK YOU ANDREW. YEAH. IT'S A SMOOTH FIBER CEMENT PANEL. THANK YOU. THAT IS ON THE ROOF OF THE GIANT PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDINGS.
SO BOTH BUILDINGS. SO. YEAH. SO THE BIG GABLE. YEAH. SO THEY WILL BOTH BE THE MATERIAL OF THIS ONE. AND ALL OF THE ROOFS ARE THIS YELLOW ON ALL THREE OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE GREEN BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE YOUR GABLED ROOFS. THOSE ARE SPANNING PRETTY BIG DISTANCES AND THEY'RE ALSO VERY HIGH UP. SO WE WENT WITH A 3.5IN TALL METAL ROOF COMPONENT, THE ROOF THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY WALKING UP TO IT. THE MAIN ENTRY THAT'S KIND OF SLOPING TOWARDS YOU THAT YOU'RE READING. WE'RE DOING A MUCH MORE KIND OF LIKE HUMAN SCALE METAL ROOF THING. SO THIS WILL BE RED KIND OF COMING AT YOU THIS THE CENTER BUILDING? YES. THAT SINGLE SLOPE THAT YOU SEE KIND OF TILTED TOWARDS YOU, THAT IS THIS STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF TOO. YEAH. AND THIS WILL ALSO BE DOWN BELOW. SO THAT WILL NOT BE GREAT. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. YEAH. I PUT LITTLE NOTES ON HERE. OH, OKAY. TO MAKE SURE AND WE PROVIDE A NICE COLOR AND THEY'RE. YES. THEY WILL BOTH BE OF THIS MATERIAL AND ARE THE ARE THE WINDOWS ALUMINUM STOREFRONT. YES. AND WHAT'S THE FINISH ON THAT. BLACK. JUST ANODIZED OR IS IT. IT'S BLACK. YES. OR IS IT ANODIZED? IT IS ANODIZED. BLACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION. YES. ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I BELIEVE IT'S THE EAST SIDE IN THE MAIN OR THE. I THINK WHERE THE TRACK IS, I THINK THEIR DOORS. THERE'S TWO OPENINGS SHOWN ON THE PLAN. AND
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THEN THERE. LET'S SEE. IT'S THE EMPTY, THE LONG BOARD. IS IT LIKE A IS IT A DOOR? IT'S MEANT TO LOOK LIKE A BARN DOOR, BUT IT IS NOT OPERABLE FOR MAINTENANCE REASONS. OKAY. IT IS ESSENTIALLY JUST A FURRED OUT WALL ON THE EXTERIOR OF THAT PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING. AND THOSE ARE NOT OPERABLE DOORS. THEY ARE JUST WINDOWS TO LET IN A LITTLE BIT OF LOW LIGHT INTO THE END OF THAT PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING. THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT WASN'T DRAWN AS A DOOR, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT AS A SLIDER. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT WHAT IS THE I GUESS I'M AGAIN, NOT BEING AN ARCHITECT AND I'M OUT, I GUESS. IS IT THE PEDIMENT OR THE AREA JUST ABOVE THE GROUND GOING UP TO THE TO THE SIDING. THE CMU ONE? YES. WHAT HOW HOW HOW HIGH, HOW TALL IS THAT? THAT IS COMING UP. THREE COURSES ABOVE GRADE OR FOUR COURSES AT 32IN ABOVE GRADE. OKAY. I DID SEE A DISCREPANCY WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THE APPLICATION IS SAYING 186,000. AND THEN ON THE STAFF REPORT IT WAS 169,000. BIG DIFFERENCE. LET ME CHECK. YEAH I WENT WITH WHAT WAS ON THE PLANS, NOT WHAT WAS ON THE APP. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. YEAH. 186 IS OUR FINAL ANSWER. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE LIGHTING COMMENT. I WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND MIMICKING THE STYLE AND HEIGHT OF THE PARKING LOT FIXTURES THAT ARE ACROSS THE BILHEIMER. MY QUESTION IS, THOUGH IT WAS NOTED THAT THEY SHOULD BE GREEN AND I BELIEVE THE WAY AT LEAST THE ONES LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BILHEIMER IS THAT THEY ARE GRAY. THEY'RE NOT THE LIKE SATURATED GREEN THAT I'VE SEEN AROUND NEW ALBANY. SO I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION THAT THE REQUEST WAS EITHER FOR IT TO BE A GREEN OR TO MATCH ACROSS THE WAY. NEW ALBANY GREEN IS A TRICKY COLOR BECAUSE AS THE AS IT AGES, IT FADES, REALLY FADES. SO I'M WONDERING IF WHAT YOU LOOKED AT, I THINK IS GRAY, BECAUSE THE NEW ALBANY GREEN ALMOST LOOKS LIKE BLACK. AM I CORRECT IN STATING THAT IN CERTAIN INSTANCES AND IT'S PROBABLY CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS? IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE BOARD, WE CAN MAKE COLOR SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL SO WE CAN JUST GO OUT AND FIELD VERIFY WHAT THAT COLOR IS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT. AND I THINK OUR OTHER QUESTIONS MAY BE REVOKED. OR WAS ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF TREES ON THAT WAS A STAFF COMMENT WAS ON OUR SIDE OF THE BILHEIMER TO INCREASE THEM.
THERE ARE NOT ANY TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BILHEIMER. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH A DENSE SIDE AND AN EMPTY SIDE FROM JUST A PLANNING STANDPOINT, I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS THE INTENT OF STAFF. YEAH, THAT WAS THE COMMENT FROM OUR CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. I THINK IT'S TO HELP TRANSITION IT FROM THE ROCKY FORD PARK. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A NICE CREEK JUST NORTH OF HERE WITH A LEISURE TRAIL THAT GOES INTO THE METRO PARK. SO I THINK IT'S HELPED TO LIKE, BLEND THAT IN. AND THEN IT GOES TO THE FIELDS, TO THE SOUTH. YEAH.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SO I'M SORRY I HAD A VERY MINOR QUESTION, BUT ON THE TRACK FIELD HOUSE, THE POLE VAULT PIT, THE ACTUAL RUN UP TO THE POLE VAULT IS SHOWN WITHIN THE TRACK. I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD USUALLY BE OUTSIDE THE TRACK. IF YOU HAD AN EVENT OR SOMETHING GOING ON. IS THAT JUST RUNNING OUT OF SPACE OR. CAN YOU PULL UP THE INTERIOR PLAN? PAGE 16. OH, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE POWERPOINT. SORRY. OKAY, I DID YOU PULLED IT. WORK ON TRACK WORK. I DID, YOU DID. YOU PULLED IT UP. WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR POLE. YEAH. SO THE IDEA FOR THAT IS THAT THE POLE VAULTING CAN HAPPEN. IT JUST WILL NOT HAPPEN SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH ANY TRACK EVENTS. AND WE WERE THINKING ANY OF THE FIELD EVENTS THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING WOULD BE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME, BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE TRACK EVENTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THIS WAS IN AN EFFORT TO REDUCE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR KIND OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE THOUGHT THAT COMPETITIVE FIELD WOULD BE HAPPENING IN HERE AND KIND OF
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RECKONING THAT WITH OUR BUDGET MAKES SENSE. AND THEN ARE THE SPECTATOR SEATING THE BLEACHERS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SHOWN IN COLLAPSED POSITION, OR IS THAT. NO, THOSE ARE NOT IN A COLLAPSED POSITION. THEY ARE ONLY THREE ROWS HIGH AND THEY ARE MOBILE. SO WE COULD ALSO WHEEL THEM OUT FOR BASKETBALL, FOR VOLLEYBALL, FOR PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS, WE COULD KIND OF BRING THEM IN CLOSER. I SUPPOSE IF WE IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE DISCUS IN THE IN THE TRACK AND FIELD BUILDING, THEY WOULDN'T BE RUNNING EITHER. YEAH, WE PROBABLY RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT ENTIRELY. SORRY. ALWAYS A LITTLE HUMOR LIKE TO INTRODUCE. AND THE JAVELIN. SAME THING FOR THE JAVELIN THROW RIGHT. OKAY. THE ONLY QUESTION I GUESS I POSED TO THE ARCHITECTS AGAIN, THESE ARE REALLY BIG STRUCTURES. WHEN I WENT AND DROVE AROUND THE MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS HAVE A LOT MORE LITTLE DETAILS HERE AND THERE. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE THE ARCHITECTS CONTENT WITH THE RELATIVE PLAINNESS OF THE ROOF LINES, ETC. ON, ON THESE BUILDINGS COMPARED TO WHAT'S ACROSS THE ROAD? OH, COOL. YEAH. BECAUSE THE PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDINGS ARE TOUGH TO GET A LOT OUT OF, SO THEY END UP BEING KIND OF THE STRUCTURE IS WHAT IT IS, AND YOU TRY TO HAVE SOME FOCAL POINTS FOR IT. AND WITH THE MAIN ENTRY AND THE BUILDINGS THAT SIT NEXT TO IT, THAT'S, THAT'S BETTER THAN YOU'RE GOING TO GET WITH A LOT OF THEM. OKAY.I WOULD I WOULD AGREE, I APPRECIATE THE I WAS A LITTLE SKEPTICAL OF THE LOW PITCH ON THE SLOPE OF THE ROOFS, BUT AFTER SEEING IT RENDERED, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE DECISION.
AND TO ADAM'S POINT, IT'S. WELL, TO QUOTE ANOTHER FAMOUS ARCHITECT, LESS IS MORE IN THIS CASE, I THINK. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH MORE YOU CAN DO WITH IT. I, I SHARE YOUR QUESTION, BUT CONSIDERING THE UNDERLYING STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE, OF THE PLAN, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY I WENT THAT'S WHY I DEFER TO YOUR MUCH SUPERIOR EXPERTISE. YOU ULTIMATELY WANT THE INTERIOR SPACE TO FEEL REALLY GOOD. AND I THINK IT DOES. YOU WANT YOUR HEIGHT, YOUR CLEAR SPANS AND YOUR HEIGHTS TO WORK REALLY WELL WITH THE ACTIVITIES. AND SO IT REALLY IS JUST FINANCIALLY AND FEASIBLY BUILDING PURPOSES. IT WORKS THE BEST. I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL THE CONVERSATION, BUT I MEAN, THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT I HAD AND I GUESS NOW IS THE TIME TO SHARE IT IS IF YOU GO TO THE ELEVATIONS, PLEASE, THE BLACK AND WHITE LINE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE IN THE. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. I IMAGINE THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF JUST LOOKING AT THE INTERIOR PLANS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR GROUND LEVEL NATURAL LIGHT IN THE FIELD HOUSES THAT I, I DON'T SEE A LOT. I SEE A LOT AT THE ENTRY, OF COURSE, BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT IN THE FIELD HOUSES THEMSELVES. I ASSUME THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, THAT YOU FAVORED THE CLEAR STORY LIGHTING IN LIEU OF IT. IT IS A NICE SETTING WHERE WHERE THE FACILITY WILL BE LOCATED, AND I WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANY MEANINGFUL DEBATE GIVEN TO INTRODUCING MORE GROUND LEVEL, EYE LEVEL, NATURAL LIGHT. IT IT DOES KIND OF SEEM LIKE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY, BUT MAYBE PROGRAMMATICALLY IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. YEAH, WE DO HAVE PROGRAM PUSHED TO THE EDGE OF THE FIELD HOUSES, AND WITH SIGHT LINES, AND WE DID A LOT OF SUN STUDIES. THERE WAS GOING TO BE QUITE A LOT OF NEED FOR WINDOW TREATMENTS ANYWAY. OR FROSTING OF THE GLAZING. AND AFTER WE STUDIED THAT, WE DECIDED IT WAS BEST TO KEEP CLEAR STORY WHERE WE'RE KEEPING IT OUT OF DIRECT KIND OF EYE INTERFERENCE WITH THE SPORTS. AND THEN WE TRIED TO STRATEGICALLY LOCATE SOME LIGHTS AWAY FROM WHERE GOALS WEREN'T FROM WHERE KIND OF END OF TRACKS WEREN'T STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE DID TRY TO STUDY THAT AND ULTIMATELY WE WENT WITH THE KIND OF FENESTRATION MOSTLY AT THE TOP, ALLOWING FOR TREES AND CANOPIES VISUALLY FROM THE OUTSIDE TO KIND OF TAKE OVER THAT MIDDLE GROUND. SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHERE WE ENDED AND LET US USE MORE OF KIND OF THAT GLAZING BUDGET AT THE CENTER WHERE THE COMMUNITY BUILDINGS ARE, WHERE YOU CAN GO UP AND ROLL A WINDOW SHADE DOWN WHEN YOU NEED TO. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'D LIKE I LIKE THE SCREENING WITH THE TREES. ANYTHING BUT IVY ON FENCES, WHICH DIDN'T SEEM TO WORK VERY WELL. EXCUSE ME. THE I. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I THINK IT'D BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK, I MEAN, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO I LOOK, I LOOK FORWARD TO WALKING AROUND IN IT ASSUMING LET'S ASSUME WE I WON'T SPEAK FOR MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IF WE VOTE FOR IT TODAY AND IT GETS APPROVED. WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE
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WHEN WILL THIS WHEN WILL THIS BE DONE? OPTIMISTICALLY. OPTIMISTICALLY. COULD YOU COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE? SUMMER OF SUMMER OF 26. OKAY, SO THE ANSWER WAS THE SUMMER. THE SUMMER OF 20TH DECEMBER OF 26. OKAY. LATE 26. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND ALL AT ONCE. WE'RE JUST. IT'S THERE. IT'S BUILDING, GOING IN. IT'S OPEN.GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, IT'S CERTAINLY EXCITING PROJECT. I KNOW THE COMMUNITY'S HAPPY THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL THAT. ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. ALL OF YOU. AND THE INTERIOR LOOKS GREAT AS WELL. JUST MISSING A TENNIS COURT.
COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION IF YOU NEED IT TO. YEAH. IS THAT AN ARCHITECTURAL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUGGEST A MOTION? I WOULD TRY WITH. WITH? YEAH. SORRY. I JUST WANT TO. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. ALL RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. ANY OTHER COMMENT? ARE YOU SURE? WE'RE HAPPY TO HEAR YOU. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH MR. BROWN'S ASSISTANCE AS I GO. SO I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF MOVE. MOVE TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPLICATION A OR B 88 2024 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ONE. THAT THE PROPOSED MOUNDING BE A MINIMUM OF 3.5FT IN HEIGHT. TWO THE PROPOSED CROSSING OF GRAVEL ROAD SOUTH OF THE MAIN SITE DRIVEWAY IS TO PROPERLY CONNECT WITH THE ADJACENT LEISURE TRAILS AT BEVERLY PARK.
THREE THE PROPOSED LITHONIA LIGHTING FIXTURES, SPECIFICALLY IN THE PARKING LOT APPLICATIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING FEATURES IN BEVERLY PARK ADJACENT TO THE SITE, AND SHOULD BE REVISED TO BE HALBROOK LIGHT LIGHTS THAT ARE NEW ALBANY GREEN. AND THAT WOULD BE THE P1 AND P2 LIGHTS AS SHOWN ON THE ON THE PLAN WITH COLOR SUBJECT WITH COLOR WITH PRECISE COLOR. BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. FOUR THAT THE THAT THE PROPOSED TREE PLANTING AND DENSITY OF SPECIES ADJACENT TO BEVERLY ROAD BE INCREASED TO REFLECT THE COMMENTS IN THE MCCSC REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 7TH, 2020. FOR. FOR THAT THE PROPOSED IN THE PROPOSED PLANTING SCHEDULE. THAT THERE BE NO SUBSTITUTIONS FOR PLATANUS ACERIFOLIA ACERIFOLIA BLOODGOOD. THE BLOODGOOD LONDON PLANE TREE. NO SUBSTITUTIONS OCCUR AT THE TIME OF INSTALL. ALSO NOTE ON THE PROPOSED PLANNING SCHEDULE TO ENSURE THAT THE GINKGO BILOBA, PRINCETON CEMETERY, THE PRINCETON CEMETERY MAIDENHAIR TREE IS TO BE A NON FRUITING MALE CULTIVAR. SEVEN THE APPLICANT IS TO USE A SEEDLESS SELECTION OF THE GYMNOCLADUS. MY GOODNESS, THE OASIS KENTUCKY COFFEETREE. EIGHT MR. BROWN, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS SCREEN NOTED WHICH IS SCREENING MATERIAL SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, COLOR AND COLOR OF MATERIAL. AND I JUST SAID THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE MOTION. THANK YOU, MR. BROWN. I'LL SECOND. MR. ITEM. YES, MR. HANSON? YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MISS MOORE. YES, MR. DAVEY? YES, MR. MALIK? YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT. WITH THE ADDITIONAL SPECIFICATIONS THAT CONDITION THREE BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THE CONDITION FOUR BE AS SET FORTH IN THE MXQ REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024, AND AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT. THE SCR NOTED SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. PERFECT. THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL THIS AND THE NEW AIRPORT BUILDING ALTOGETHER. IT'S A VERY EXCITING. OUR NEXT CASE IS ARB 89 2024 FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION OF TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES LOCATED AT 21 AND 37 WEST GRANVILLE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A APPLICATION, A CITY SPONSORED
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APPLICATION FOR THE DEMOLITION OF TWO STRUCTURES LOCATED AT 21 AND 37 WEST GRANVILLE STREET.YEAH. SO THESE STRUCTURES ARE JUST ORIENT EVERYONE HERE. THE OLD BP GAS STATION THAT'S LOCATED HERE ON GRANVILLE STREET. THIS IS MAIN STREET RIGHT HERE. VILLAGE HALL, WHERE YOU ALL ARE SITTING. YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT ABOUT HERE. SO THIS IS THE OLD GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE, THE BUILDING FURTHER TO THE EAST, HERE ON GRANVILLE STREET, WAS THE OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING AND HAS BEEN OCCUPIED BY SEVERAL DIFFERENT OFFICE USERS OVER TIME. SO THESE EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY DONATED THE LAND THAT THESE THAT THESE BUILDINGS SIT ON TO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY TO ALLOW FOR THE EXTENSION OF ROADS FROM TO PARK IMPROVEMENTS. SO THE DEMOLITION OF THESE TWO STRUCTURES WILL ALLOW FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ONCE THEY'RE FULLY DESIGNED LATER. NEXT YEAR, AS DONE IN OUR STAFF REPORTS. THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT'S FURTHER EAST ON GRANVILLE STREET. THIS BUILDING IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY PRESTIGE DRIVING ACADEMY. BOTH OF THE STRUCTURES. THIS IS THE BP CONVENIENCE STORE HERE. IF YOU RECALL, A FEW YEARS AGO, THE GAS PUMPS WERE KIND OF LOCATED IN THIS AREA AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO BE TORN DOWN KIND OF VIA EMERGENCY BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT BOTH NEITHER ONE OF THESE STRUCTURES MEETS ANY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO STAFF DOESN'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO BE LOST WITH THESE BEING DEMOLISHED. BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE HERE IN FULL FOLIAGE, BUT BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT EITHER WHOLLY WITHIN OR. THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE LOCATED WHOLLY WITHIN OR PARTIALLY WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN OF ROSE RUN, WHICH OUR CODE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION TO OCCUR OR COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION TO OCCUR IN THE FLOODPLAIN, SO ANY SITE REDEVELOPMENT OR REUSE THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE VERY, VERY LIMITED. ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING THAT'S ON THE SITE OR CAN BE PROVIDED ON THE SITE WITHOUT SOME MODIFICATIONS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. AGAIN, FURTHER LIMITING ANY REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE SITES, AND STAFF BELIEVES THE CITY BELIEVES THAT THE BEST USE FOR THESE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THESE PROPERTIES, IS FOR THEM TO BE DEVELOPED INTO THE ROSE RUN TWO EXTENSION, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR THE TO BURY THE UTILITY LINES THAT RUN ALONG THERE? I BELIEVE WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN THERE WERE, I'M SURE THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE. BUT I CAN SHARE THAT WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE. BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT STEVE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT THAT BURIAL WAS PLANNED AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS PROJECT. YEAH, I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN OVERARCHING GOAL FOR CITY COUNCIL TO BURY THOSE LINES KIND OF AS THEY COME PIECE BY PIECE. SO CERTAINLY I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE EVALUATED AS PART OF THAT PARK IMPROVEMENT. I DON'T RECALL HOW LONG AGO IT WAS THAT WE REVIEWED THE MASTER PLAN FOR I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE CONSTRAINTS OF THAT AFFECTED AREA WITH THE PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE AND REDEVELOPMENT. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THAT PLAN STILL LARGELY INTACT AS IT WAS LAST PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD? AND IS THE DEMOLITION OF THESE TWO STRUCTURES TIMED IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT LARGER IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY? IS THAT ALL STILL ON TRACK? IS THE TIMING OF THIS TIED TO THAT? AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS SPECIFIC TO THAT. I GUESS DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER OF TIMING, AS THESE BUILDINGS ARE ARE DEMOED, WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING AREA? THE CURB CUTS, WHAT KIND OF RESTORATION? BACK TO A MORE NATURAL SETTING WILL BE UNDERTAKEN? OR IS THIS REALLY JUST A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE TO GET READY FOR A LARGER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT? PREEMPTIVE STRIKE? OKAY, SO THIS IS SO THE CITY CAN GET ITS ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE. OKAY. THERE WILL BE SOME CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THAT OVERALL PARK PLAN. SO WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THAT THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY HAS DEDICATED THE PROPERTIES WHERE THESE BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED. SO PREVIOUSLY THOSE WERE OWNED AND WERE GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO BE OWNED BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. NOW THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO THE CITY, THE CITY IS REEVALUATING ITS PARK PLANNING SINCE THERE'S ADDITIONAL SPACE. AND THAT WILL BE THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BEGIN NEXT YEAR AS PART OF THAT REPROGRAMING OF THE SPACE. SO THEN THAT BRINGS UP A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. SO IS THE IF I RECALL, THERE WAS SOME MIXED USE PROPOSED ALONG THAT AREA WHERE THOSE TWO STRUCTURES CURRENTLY EXIST. HAS THAT BEEN ABANDONED IN ITS ENTIRETY OR IS IT BEING RECONSIDERED IN PART, OR IS THAT GOING TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD FOR REVIEW? SO RIGHT NOW, THE CITY INTENDS TO USE IT FOR PARK SPACE AND NOT PUT ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE. OKAY, SO THAT WHAT WE SAW MAY MORE
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THAN LIKELY WILL GO AWAY. YEAH, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHAPE OR FORM YET, BUT THEY WILL CERTAINLY BE CHANGES. YEAH. AS FAR AS THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT GOES THAT'S THAT'S GONE AWAY OKAY OKAY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE FLOODPLAIN, IT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THAT ALL OVER AGAIN. THANK YOU. AND WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING AREAS AND CURB CUTS. ARE THEY GOING TO REMAIN. NO. SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE WILL ALSO BE REMOVED. SOMETIMES THE PARKING LOT THE CITY WILL RETAIN THOSE TO HAVE LIKE A LAY DOWN PLACE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. SO THE BUILDINGS I THINK ARE SLATED TO GO GO DOWN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT SOMETIMES THE PARKING WILL BE RETAINED JUST IN CASE YOU KNOW IT HAS A USEFUL REUSE IN THE FUTURE. I ASK IN PART BECAUSE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY NAMES WHEN I SAY THIS, BUT I MAY HAVE ACCIDENTALLY CUT THE CORNER ONE TIME AT THE BP AFTER IT WAS AFTER IT WAS ABANDONED FOR ITS USE. SO PART OF MY QUESTION WAS IT'S A IT'S A TRICKY INTERSECTION THERE AND PEOPLE DO CUT THAT CORNER IN FAVOR OF CUTTING ACROSS THAT ABANDONED PARKING LOT TO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD AS I'VE SEEN. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF BARRIER OR REMOVAL OF THAT AT THAT POINT. IT'S JUST SO CLOSE TO THAT INTERSECTION THAT IT ISN'T. IT'S A IT'S A TRICKY INTERSECTION. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE PLANS TO CHANGE THE CURB CUTS OKAY. ULTIMATELY THOUGH. YEAH THOSE CURB CUTS WILL BE REMOVED OKAY. IT SEEMS THAT THAT THAT CURB CUT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST A DIRECT LINE TO YOUR OLD AM I, AM I? IT WAS ALMOST DIRECT. IT WAS EXACTLY DIRECT. OKAY. OH. CAN I TAKE THE FIFTH ON THAT ONE? THANK YOU. A COUPLE MINOR COMMENTS JUST FOR FUTURE CUT AND PASTE PURPOSES.IF THIS REPORT GETS REUSED, I THINK THE CITATION IN PART THREE SHOULD BE TO 1157 TEN, NOT ZERO NINE, BECAUSE TEN IS THE MUCH LONGER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SECTION. THE OTHER COMMENT IS AGAIN, SINCE 1157 TEN REALLY READS ALL YOU NEED IS ONE OF THEM. AND I THINK WE HAVE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THESE BUILDINGS AREN'T OF ANY ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST AND WE DON'T LIKE THEM AND WE DON'T WANT THEM AROUND ANYMORE THAT WE HAVE THAT ONE IN SPADES. AS FAR AS THE OTHER TWO ONE GOES, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU KNOW, WE'RE STRETCHING THE KIND OF MEET THOSE TWO. WE DON'T NEED TO. AND SO I GUESS MY REACTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF PURPOSES AND, AND FOR AT LEAST THE INTELLECTUAL HONESTY OF THE, OF THE REPORT, IF YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THESE IN SPADES, I'D RATHER JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE HAVE ONE IN SPADES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THE OTHER TWO. I MEAN, IT IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THEY'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT THEY'RE EXISTING STRUCTURES. SO THEY COULD BE THEY COULD BE CONTINUED TO BE USED AS IS, PRESUMABLY WITHOUT IMPLYING IMPLICATING THE FLOODPLAIN PROBLEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE PREEXIST. CORRECT. YEAH, THEY COULD BE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE JUST TRY TO PUT YEAH FACTS DOWN AND EVALUATE. RIGHT. I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO GET RID OF THESE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT COMING UP WITH REASONS ON TWO AND THREE, WE KIND OF REACHED A BIT AND ONES ENOUGH. SO I'M HAPPY. I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE END OF THESE GREAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE BP STATION. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS PIPING EVERYTHING WAS REMOVED. WAS THERE ANY REMEDIATION REQUIRED IN THAT AREA? THERE WAS SOME REMEDIATION WORK DONE WHEN BP RELOCATED. STEVE AND I KIND OF TAG TEAM AS ADRIAN UPSTAIRS. THE ADMIN DEPARTMENT IS REALLY TAKING THE LEAD. I MENTIONED THAT TO HER AND SHE SAID THAT SHE'S GOING TO LOOK INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL DONE.
OKAY, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH LIABILITIES REMAINING, RIGHT? SHE'S GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT. I DO RECALL ANECDOTALLY THAT THOSE TANKS WERE ALL REMOVED AT THE TIME OF THE ABANDONMENT OF THE PALM STATE. THERE WAS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL EFFORT TO REMOVE EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND IN THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EPA, YOU KNOW, REPORTS AND EVERYTHING WERE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT A LOT WAS HELD UP. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AT LEAST IT'S NOT IN A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME. SO OKAY, THANKS FOR THAT. AND THEN IS THERE A THOUGHT ON TIMING FOR THIS ONCE THESE ARE APPROVED? I MEAN, I KNOW THE OTHER STRUCTURE WAS APPROVED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IT'S STILL UP. IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE TIMING FOR THIS DEMO OR IS IT JUST LIKE YOU SAY, LINING UP FOR THE FUTURE? I THINK THE OLD GAS STATION, I THINK THE OLD GAS STATION BUILDING WILL COME DOWN PRETTY IMMEDIATELY. I THINK THE OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S TO THE RIGHT THERE, THAT MAY THAT MAY BE PUSHED OFF A LITTLE BIT FOR DEMOLITION. THAT'S BEING
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AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, LIKE REEVALUATED FOR OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT THE CITY HAS IN THE CITY. SO THAT MIGHT BE USED FOR EITHER LIKE TEMPORARY LIKE STORAGE SPACE AS WE DO OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION AB 8924. I'LL SECOND. MR. HANSEN. YES.MR. MALIK? YES. MR. EATON? YES. MR. BROWN YES. THANK YOU, MR. DAVEY. YES, MISS. MOORE? YES.
MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. CONGRATULATIONS.
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THANK YOU. WE NOW HAVE UNDER OTHER BUSINESS INFORMAL REVIEW OF THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. GOOD EVENING. JUSTIN STEINER IN THE HAMLET AT SUGAR RUN. IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. WE GOT THE FDP APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 16TH. AND SINCE THAT TIME, MY TEAM'S BEEN SORT OF WORKING ON SOME OF THE LESS EXCITING PARTS OF THE PROJECT. WE SUBMITTED OUR PLAT ON NOVEMBER 22ND, SO THAT'S BEEN KIND OF IN THE PROCESS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH CHRIS, MAKING SURE WE HAVE ALL THE LINE WORK AND ALL THE DETAILS CORRECT. OUR MASKS AND OUR CLEARING PLANS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE COMING IN NEXT WEEK, START OF JANUARY. WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE UTILITY PLANS AND ROAD PLANS RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY NEGOTIATING OUR CONTRACT WITH OUR FENCING CONTRACTOR. SO LOTS OF THINGS MOVING. AND MAYBE AGAIN, NOT ALL THAT EXCITING. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OFFICE, SOME MORE EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING AS THE TEAM WITH THE ARMY AND EXCUSE ME AND AJ LOOKING AT STUFF AS WE'RE GOING VERTICAL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO MENTION IS, AS EXPECTED, COMING OUT OF THE FDP APPROVAL, WE GOT A LOT OF A LOT OF ENERGY AND A LOT OF EXCITEMENT FROM DIFFERENT USERS. AND ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT CALLED JAROMIR WAS WAS A DIFFERENT USER FOR THE COMMERCIAL CIVIC GREEN AREA. AND WE KIND OF DECIDED IT WAS WORTH STUDYING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WITH KEITH MYERS. TORTI GALLAS AND A FEW OTHER FOLKS. SO THAT TEAM HAS BEEN STUDYING SOME OF THE OPTIONS TO SEE IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT MERITED FURTHER KIND OF CONVERSATION AND SO WE SAID, LET'S TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, AJ, TO COME AND KIND OF SHARE THE IDEA, GET SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK, REACTION AND SEE, YOU KNOW, IS IT SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL PASS IT OFF TO AJ AND ERIN'S HERE AS WELL WITH AJ TO ANSWER SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.HELLO. MY NAME IS AJ SCOTT STEINER AND ASSOCIATES. AS JUSTIN SAID, I'VE BEEN WORKING A LOT WITH HIM THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT'S BEEN SUPER EXCITING PROJECT TO WORK ON. I WANTED TO FIRST THANK CHRIS FOR HIS JUST CONTINUED VOICE OF REASON, HELPING US THROUGH THE PROCESS. HE'S BEEN FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH AND LIKE JUSTIN SAID, WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY REALLY TO JUST GET AN INFORMAL OPINION, SOMETHING WE WANT TO WELCOME.
COLLABORATION, THOUGHTS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT. YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. I WON'T GO OVER IT A LOT, BUT JUST WANT TO POINT YOU TO SUBAREA ONE. THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THIS PROJECT IS WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TODAY.
AS WE KIND OF ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS IS GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. WHEN WE START GOING TO MARKET, STARTED LOOKING AT POTENTIAL USES FOR THE SITE AND IT BECAME REAL. WE FOUND A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS SITE FURTHER THAN WE HAD ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED, SO IT WAS VERY EXCITING. YOU'LL SEE, THE BIGGEST ADJUSTMENT IS GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE. NUMBER ONE, THE HOTEL USER. SO WE HAD A LUXURY HOTEL BRAND, VERY EXCITED, VERY INTERESTED IN THIS SITE, SAW IT AS A HUGE, UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY IN NEW ALBANY SOMEWHERE THEY WANTED TO BE. AND SO THAT REALLY TOOK US TO THE PLANNING TABLE TO REALLY SAY LIKE, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? HOW DO WE TELL THE
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NEXT STORY OF THE HAMLET AND REALLY GET EXCITED ABOUT THIS? SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO MAINTAIN THE STORY OF THE HAMLET, REALLY GOING BACK TO THE ROOTS OF THE DESIGN DECISIONS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED, ESPECIALLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL FLAT SIDE, AND REALLY USING THAT TO KIND OF GUIDE OUR DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD. FIRST, JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A OVERALL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS PLAN IS WORKING OR HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. THE NORTHERN TWO BUILDINGS THERE ARE MAINTAINING A HEAVY RETAIL FOCUS, AND REALLY THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED IN ANY WAY FROM OUR MINDSET OF HOW WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THIS. WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED ON CREATING THIS PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR ALONG THIS INTERNAL ROAD, MOVING PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS WHERE THINGS GET REALLY, REALLY EXCITING FOR THIS PROJECT AS AS WE MOVE DOWN THROUGH TO THE CIVIC GREEN AREA AND SOME OF THE DESTINATIONS AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED FOCUSES, WE'VE BEEN REALLY WORKING THROUGH, THERE. AND THEN THIS SLIDE IS GOING TO KIND OF HELP, REALLY HELP UNDERSTAND HOW THE HOTEL KIND OF PLAYS INTO THE OVERALL FUNCTION OF THE SITE. THIS THIS HOTEL USER IS, LIKE I SAID, A VERY THEY'RE A HIGH END BRAND AND PEDESTRIAN AND CUSTOMER FOCUS IS PARAMOUNT. SO THEY ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE ANY ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT'S COMPLETELY OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, REALLY ACTIVATES ACTIVATES THAT GROUND FLOOR AND IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM WHEN IT'S WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENT THEY WANTED TO BE IN, THEY WANT TO BE IN PEDESTRIAN, WALKABLE, DESTINATION TYPE AREAS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY HERE. YOU'LL ALSO SEE, AS WE CLICK THROUGH SOME OF THESE FUTURE IMAGES, ACCESSIBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE TO THE SOUTH, YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN BOXES ARE THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. AND REALLY TRYING TO CREATE A REALLY ENGAGED, REALLY PEDESTRIAN, FAMILY ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT. AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE SITE. EXCELLENT. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE NEXT IMAGES, I KNOW THIS IS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND THIS ARCHITECTURE IS VERY EARLY. IT'S REALLY SOMETHING JUST TO CONVEY THE IDEA, CONVEY THE EMOTION. I'M GOING TO CLICK THROUGH THE IMAGES PRETTY QUICKLY JUST SO THAT WE DON'T LINGER ON NECESSARILY THE FINE DETAILS, BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS EARLY. SO HERE. SO THIS IS LOOKING NORTH TO SOUTH. THE HOTEL IS ON THE RIGHT. YOU'LL SEE THE LIVE WORK WITH THE RESTAURANT CONCEPT IS THE BUILT THE WHITE BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND. AND THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR. THESE USES ON THE RIGHT THERE'S HOTEL USES LOBBY LOUNGE, MEETING ROOMS THAT ARE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE. ICE CREAM SHOP ON THE FRONT CORNER AND THEN A RESTAURANT ON THE BACK CORNER. REALLY HELPING PEOPLE MOVE THROUGH AND FEEL WELCOME AS THEY MOVE THROUGH THE SITE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CIVIC GREEN SPACE AT THE BOTTOM. THIS IS KIND OF THE FORMAL DROP OFF IF YOU'RE WE'RE EITHER UBERING OR VISITING THE SITE FROM BEING DROPPED OFF. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE THAT FIRST SENSE OF DESTINATION AND PLACE. SEEING THE HOTEL ON THE RIGHT, THE WORK LIVE, LIVE WORK AND RESTAURANT CONCEPT ON THE LEFT. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KEITH MYERS ON SOME PRETTY EXCITING DESIGNS FOR A STONE AND LIGHT FEATURE THAT REALLY ACTS AS KIND OF A GATEWAY AS PEOPLE WALK THROUGH, WALK THROUGH FROM THE KIND OF CORRIDOR INTO THE CIVIC GREEN SPACE. THIS IS A MORE PEDESTRIAN FEEL SHOT WHERE YOU'RE SEEING ALL OF THE RESTAURANT USES ALL OF THESE FIRST FLOOR USES ARE RESTAURANT ORIENTED, AND THEN YOU GET A LITTLE GLIMPSE OF IT AT THE VERY TOP LEFT. THIS THIS HOTEL ACTUALLY COMES WITH KIND OF A ROOFTOP BAR CONCEPT, WHICH YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN SOME OF THESE IMAGES. THE TOP LEFT ONE, YOU CAN SEE THAT BAR CONCEPT ON THE ON THE UPPER LEFT, REALLY ENGAGING THE GREEN SPACE IN A THREE DIMENSIONAL WAY. AS, AS AS AN ADDITION TO THE GROUND PLANE. AND AS YOU KIND OF GO AROUND, I GUESS CLOCKWISE, THE UPPER RIGHT IMAGE IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF REALLY HOW MUCH ACTIVITY IS GOING ON AROUND THE CIVIC GREEN SPACE. ONE OF THE EXCITING ELEMENTS TO BRINGING A HOTEL USER IS BRINGING ACTIVITY TO THIS ENTIRE SPACE. AT REALLY AROUND THE CLOCK, YOU'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE VISITING AND WALKING AND EXPERIENCING THIS SPACE ALL THE TIME. THE BOTTOM LEFT IMAGE IS ACTUALLY THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. THE LOBBY IS A PASS THROUGH LOBBY, SO PEOPLE CAN GO INSIDE. THE CAN GO FROM THE PARKING LOT THROUGH TO THE COMMON SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE.[01:00:02]
VERY EASILY. IT'S 360 DEGREE ARCHITECTURE. THE BACK IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE FRONT. I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT IMAGE IS THAT LIVE WORK CONCEPT ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WITH THE TWO RESTAURANT PLAYERS ON THE BOTTOM. SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A COUPLE QUICK NUMBERS. I KNOW THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A LOT OF THIS IS PRETTY NEW OR HOPEFULLY EXCITING, BUT OUR NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY IN LINE WITH WITH WHAT THE APPROVED PLAN THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH, EXCEPT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO KIND OF SUPERCHARGE THE CIVIC SPACE AND BRING SOME A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTAURANT USES, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT FAMILY ORIENTED PEDESTRIAN SCALE, JUST ACTIVITY TO THE SPACE. SO THAT IS MY OVERVIEW. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR COMMENTS SUPER EARLY. I REALLY WANT AS MUCH FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION AS POSSIBLE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN WE MOVE BACKWARDS SO THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE. GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. THE SITE PLAN. YEAH OKAY. THE FIRST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOUR PARKING COSTS WITH THIS CHANGE OF USE. WOULD YOU SHOULD WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THAT. YEAH. THAT ACCOUNTS FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT YOU SAW IN THE DIFFERENT SQUARE FOOTAGES AND RETAIL LIKE EXACT AMOUNTS.WE HAD TO WORK. WE WORKED WITH THE SAME ENGINEERING FIRM THAT DID THE TRAFFIC COUNT OR THE PARKING COUNTS FOR THE MASTER PLAN, AND WE'RE ABLE TO USE THOSE SAME NUMBERS TO ACCOMMODATE WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE. OKAY. SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THERE. SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE SAW BEFORE IS WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY IN TERMS OF THE, IN TERMS OF THE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. BUT WHEN WE GET HERE NOW AND I KNOW THIS IS THIS, IS THIS THE LIVE WORK BUILDING OR. YEAH. OKAY. AND WHAT'S THIS THE TOP DIAGONAL IS A RESTAURANT. THE BOTTOM SQUARE IS A RESTAURANT. AND THEN THAT, THAT KIND OF PIE SHAPED SLICE IS THE LOBBY FOR THE WORKS WORKING. OKAY. SO THIS IS ALL ONE STRUCTURE, ALL ONE STRUCTURE OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. AND THIS IS THE HOTEL. SO THE HOTEL IS ACTUALLY CONNECTED TO THAT STRUCTURE. BUT THIS IS ALL HOTEL. THERE'S A WALKWAY BETWEEN THE TWO OKAY. SO THERE'S A FIRST FLOOR GAP. SECOND STORY CONNECTED OKAY. SO THIS REST GROUND FLOOR RESTAURANTS RESTAURANTS AND LIVE WORK. LIVE WORK MEANS THERE'S APARTMENTS UP ABOVE. NO, IT'S MORE OF A LIKE A CO-WORKING KIND OF SPACE. OKAY. YEAH. SO NO ONE'S LIVING THERE? NO. IT WOULD BE OFFICES. OKAY. YEAH. THE LIVE IS A MISNOMER FOR THOSE OF US WHO AREN'T, UNLESS YOU LIVE AT WORK. YEAH, UNLESS YOU LIVE AT WORK. YEAH. IT'S REALLY WHAT THOSE CONCEPTS ARE GETTING AT IS THERE MAY BE A COFFEE BAR. THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER AMENITIES TO THE SPACE, BECAUSE IF IT'S A SHARED WORKSPACE, IT'S A NICER WORK. IT'S A NICER WORK. OKAY. BUT NO ONE'S LIVING THERE. SO AGAIN, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE PARLANCE. PERFECT QUESTION. YEAH. AND THESE OF COURSE NOW ARE SIGNIFICANTLY THERE'S A LOT MORE MASS WHEN WE GET DOWN HERE THAN THERE WAS BEFORE. OKAY. I MEAN THAT THAT WAS ONE REACTION. ON THE OTHER HAND, I AM EXCITED ABOUT A, A HOTEL, PARTICULARLY A LUXURY LIKING LUXURY HOTELS MYSELF. THE GUY THAT THAT EXCITES ME. SO IS THERE THE LOBBIES. THERE'S NO ROOMS. I MEAN, NO LUXURY HOTEL IS GOING TO HAVE ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR IN THIS THIS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. YEAH. SO THAT TELLS ME IT LEAVES. THEY'VE GOT GOOD TASTE. IT WOULD, WOULD THEY, WOULD THERE BE HOTEL RESTAURANTS IN THERE OR. WHO KNOWS. YEAH. SO THE ROOFTOP BAR ABOVE THE, THE LOWEST DIAGONAL GREEN SPACE WOULD BE COMPLETELY OPERATED BY THE HOTEL. THERE'S ANOTHER THE NOT THE DIAGONAL GREEN, BUT THE ONE JUST ABOVE. THAT WOULD ALSO BE RUN RUN BY THE HOTEL, OPERATED BY HOTEL. YOU'D HAVE BREAKFAST THERE IF YOU WERE STAYING IN THE HOTEL. YES. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD OFFER. OR WHAT IF, WHERE WOULD THEY OFFER BREAKFAST? FOR AN EXAMPLE? TWO. TOO SOON TO KNOW. YEAH, IT'S TOO SOON. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. SO THAT'S MY ONE REACTION, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT MORE MASSING. SO I YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE THE FINAL PLANS IN TERMS OF THIS IS A LOT MORE URBAN WHEN WE GET INTO HERE THAN IT WAS BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I OBJECT TO THAT NECESSARILY. I MEAN, I WAS JUST IN INDIANAPOLIS THE OTHER DAY. A HOTEL CALLED THE IRONWORKS HOTEL, AND IT'S A DELIGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF THE HOTEL BUILDING WITH SOME
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RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS IN IT, AND THEN A BUILDING THAT'S APARTMENTS WITH, AGAIN, THE WHOLE SERIES OF RESTAURANTS IN IT. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND SO THAT CERTAINLY APPEALED TO ME. THERE. BUT YEAH, THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MASS. YEAH. ONE, ONE. SORRY, ONE COMMENT WOULD BE WITH ALL THE TOWNHOMES BEING BRICK AND NOW THE HOTEL IS SHOWN AS BRICK, IT DOES FEEL LIKE WE LOST SOME OF THAT. YEAH, YEAH. THERE WAS DIVERSITY IN MATERIAL PALETTES THAT THE RETAIL SECTION WAS OFFERING. SO I'M NOT SURE IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WAY TO BRING BACK SOME MORE DIVERSITY IN THAT MATERIALS AND GET SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. FEEL, BUT JUST AN INITIAL GUT REACTION. I WAS CURIOUS HOW THE HEIGHT WOULD COMPARE TO THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION THAT WE WERE WORKING UNDER IS 50FT IN THE SIDE. THE RESIDENTIAL IS 44FT, SO THERE ARE ONLY SIX FEET APART ON THE MAX, AND WE'RE STAYING UNDERNEATH THAT AGAIN. EARLY DESIGN AND DEPENDING ON THE DETAILS. BUT WE'RE SAYING IT WILL. THE SECTION IS GOING TO BE VERY COMPARABLE. ONLY A FEW FEET. DEFENSE. THANK YOU. I HAVE A I GUESS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT ALSO FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. IF YOU COULD JUST GO TO MAYBE ONE OF THE STREET RENDERS, THAT'S SUFFICIENT. THANK YOU. I DO AGREE WITH MR. BIDEN'S COMMENT. THERE'S A WE'RE SORT OF TRADING SMALLER MASSING ELEMENTS FOR A MUCH LARGER MASSING ELEMENT. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE HEIGHT IS STILL WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE WHAT SHOULD BE APPROVABLE FOR THE PROPERTY. BUT AS WE EVALUATE, I RECALL, AS WE EVALUATED THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION, THERE WAS A LOT OF SORT OF ACTIVITY ALONG THAT THAT PEDESTRIAN PATH. AND IN LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU SHARED, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME EFFORT BEING MADE TO SORT OF REPLICATE THAT RETAIL ESQUE STREETSCAPE. AND WE'VE WE'VE SEEN OTHER SUBMISSIONS THAT HAVE TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. AND I WONDER WHAT I MAYBE SHARE MY OPINION. BUT HERE, THE OPINION OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF A YOU ASKED ABOUT THE QUESTION OF HONESTY OF IN THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, WE HAD SHOULD WE? IT'S PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO COMMENT ON THESE AS THEY ARE PRELIMINARY, BUT THE QUESTION OF SORT OF EMBRACING, OKAY, THIS WILL BE A HOTEL, SO LET'S LET IT BE A HOTEL AND BE ARTICULATED ARCHITECTURALLY AS A HOTEL. TO MR. DAVIES, POINT ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF BRICK COMPARED TO WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET. OR, YOU KNOW, ARE WE MORE IN FAVOR OF PRESERVING THAT SORT OF PEDESTRIAN RETAIL CHARACTER THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST IN ITS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FORM? IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, I, I'M SORT OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT. AS I LOOK AT I KNOW THIS IS JUST PRELIMINARY, BUT AS I LOOK AT THAT, I'M SORT OF QUESTIONING MYSELF WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE THERE? BECAUSE I, I THINK IF THERE'S ONE PAUSE, IT WOULD BE THE SCALE OF THAT, OF THAT BUILDING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO EVALUATE INTERNALLY BEFORE IT'S BROUGHT BACK FOR A FORMAL REVIEW. AND DOES DOES THE CITY STAFF HAVE ANY DOES THIS HAVE OTHER IMPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT MAYBE THINKING ABOUT FROM, FROM YOUR STANDPOINT? I KNOW THIS WAS A VERY LENGTHY REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS. SO WOULD THERE BE OTHER KINDS OF CONSTRAINTS THAT WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF AS WE'RE TRYING TO OFFER AN OPINION HERE? JUST I THINK JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I TALKED TO AJ EXTENSIVELY AND JUSTIN AND JUST BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THESE RENDERINGS ARE GREAT AND EVERYTHING. AND YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'S A VERY HIGH QUALITY DESIGN. THERE'S LIKE LITTLE THINGS JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE DID WITH THE ARB AND THE PC. LIKE THERE WERE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ABOUT HOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF BUILDINGS THE GROUND FLOOR BUILDINGS HAD TO BE OPEN. AND FOR LIKE THE GENERAL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR SALES OF GOODS AND SERVICES. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE CITY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY TO KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF, OF THAT CONDITIO, WHICH IF THIS PROPOSAL WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT WHEN IT'S FORMALLY SUBMITTED. I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK WITH THEM ONCE IT'S FORMALLY SUBMITTED TO, YOU KNOW, DO WE LOVE THE SPACES OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL? MAYBE. MAYBE NOT. BUT SOME OF THOSE BIG, MORE BIG MACRO THINGS, ESPECIALLY THE, THE, THE 80% RATIO, THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO US. OKAY. I MEAN, DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT.YEAH. HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THIS PROPOSAL MEET OR ADDRESS THAT REQUIREMENT I GUESS WOULD BE THE QUESTION. YEAH. SO WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE 80% REQUIREMENT, THERE WERE A COUPLE COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD. BUT REALLY HOW WE WERE LOOKING AT IT IS IT WAS REQUIRED FOR
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GOODS AND FOR GOODS AND SERVICES. WE DEFINITELY SEE A HOTEL AS A SERVICE. ANYONE IS WELCOME TO COME IN AND PURCHASE A ROOM FOR THE NIGHT. IT'S DEFINITELY A ACCESSIBLE SPACE.THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THIS BUILDING IS ACCESSIBLE JUST AS A RESTAURANT MAY HAVE SOME BACK OF HOUSE THAT YOU CAN'T GO INTO. THE HOTEL ALSO HAS SOME BACK OF HOUSE YOU CAN'T GO INTO, BUT IT IS FORWARD FACING CUSTOMER FACING. SO HONESTLY FROM THE ACTUAL THE TEXT THAT WE REVIEWED, WE FEEL LIKE THE HOTEL KIND OF FITS IN THERE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT AND THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR DOES HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND IS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE LATER. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY ONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN HOTELS, I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY HOTELS ARE GOING TO NEED SOME PLACE FOR THE MANAGERS AND THE OTHER FOLKS TO BE. YOU HATE YOU HATE TO HAVE IT BE RIGHT UP, YOU KNOW, HAVE HAVE FROSTED WINDOWS AS YOU WALK ALONG THIS PART AND KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE IT IS GOING BACK TO THE IRONWORKS IN INDY. I MEAN, THE FIRST FLOOR THERE HAD A NUMBER OF RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS IN IT. THERE WAS A MASSAGE BUSINESS IN ONE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT. THERE WAS A BREAKFAST PLACE THAT DOUBLED AS BEING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITH AN EXTERIOR ENTRANCE. THAT WAS ALSO WHERE YOU WENT TO BREAKFAST AT THE HOTEL AS A GUEST. AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONE COMMENT, WHICH IS, THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE AND THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING FROM LOOKING AT THE PLAN BEFORE, EVEN IF IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU'D HATE TO HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF LOBBIES AND STUFF THAT JUST IS DEAD. I MEAN, WHY WOULD ANYBODY GO IN THERE IF IT'S NOT A BAR, IF IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT? I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO IN THERE AND SIT. PROBABLY NOT. AND SO THAT I WOULD URGE YOU TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WITHIN THE OBVIOUSLY THE REQUIREMENTS YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE HOTEL'S GOT TO HAVE ITS SPACE. THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO BE BELOW GROUND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOW THAT WORKS HERE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A REASON FOR PEOPLE TO INTERACT WITH THAT BUILDING OTHER THAN TO GO TO THE HOTEL OR WANDERING AN EMPTY LOBBY. YEAH, YEAH, WE DID PAY ATTENTION TO ACTIVATE THE CORNERS, ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS FRONT CORNER HERE WOULD BE WE HAVE KIND OF AN ICE CREAM STORE. IT WOULD BE AN INDEPENDENT HOTEL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ABSOLUTELY. JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. BECAUSE AT LEAST WHEN, IF WHEN WE COME BACK, I AGAIN, I WANT TO HAVE A REASON TO INTERACT WITH THE BUILDING BEYOND GOING TO GOING IN AND CHECKING IN. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WHEN THE CITY FIRST BROUGHT A HAMLET TO US AND THERE WERE NO DEFINITIONS OF WHAT A HAMLET WAS TO RECALL, AND THEN THIS PROJECT GOT TABLED AND THEY REDEFINED OR DEFINED WHAT WE WANTED A HAMLET TO BE AND WHERE WE'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.
WAS IT YOUR EXPECTATION? WAS IT THE CITY'S EXPECTATION THAT WE'D SEE HOTELS IN THESE SITES? I THINK WE ALWAYS KNEW THAT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF A HOTEL. I MEAN, GOSH, WE DID THIS FOR YEARS, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF IT COULD IT COULD HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, WHEN THE FDP CAME THROUGH, I DON'T THINK EVEN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SHOWN AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION. WE HAD THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT IS. I'LL HOLD MY QUESTION FOR A SECOND. I'M SURE YOU CAN'T DISCLOSE WHO YOU'RE CONSIDERING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS MORE OF A BOUTIQUE BRAND OR A NATIONAL BRAND OR BOTH? JUST TO MAYBE TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A HAMLET? IF YOU COULD GIVE US ANY KIND OF GENERIC CHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED, THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, I GUESS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD AT A FORMAL SUBMISSION LEVEL. YEAH, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK OF THE GENTILES OR HOWEVER THEY PRONOUNCE IT, WHETHER IT'S A SILENT J OR A HARD J, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE JUNTO, I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF GOING IN, GOING ON IN THE LOBBY THERE IN TERMS OF A BAR AND OTHER STUFF. THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WOULD INTERACT. YEAH. AS OPPOSED TO A LOBBY WITH NO PLACE. A LOT OF RESIDENTS USING THOSE COMMON TABLES, COMPUTERS. RIGHT. IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING UP THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN? YEAH. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HEARD THIS. WELL, ACTUALLY, THIS THIS ONE WORKS AS WELL. SO I WAS JUST THINKING, AND MAYBE THIS IS CRAZY, BUT IF WE HAD THE LAYOUT THAT WE HAD BEFORE WITH THE RETAIL, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE SACRIFICING THE RESIDENTIAL ON THESE THREE BUILDINGS TO BECOME A HOTEL WOULD BE LIKE A BETTER, BETTER SUITED PLACE FOR IT MIGHT BE A, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY NOT WORK WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEEDS, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I FEEL LIKE
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THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL. YOU COULD I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS I COULD. ONE, I THINK FROM YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDE, THIS IS THE ENTRYWAY TO THE HOTEL WHERE PEOPLE PULL UP AND ENTER AND LEAVE AND LOBBY. IT'S OFF THIS STREET, CORRECT? YEAH. THERE'S THE THERE'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PARKING LOT. YEAH. PRELIMINARY. WHAT YOU SHOWED ON THE LAST SLIDE WAS HERE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THE OTHER THAT THE ROOFTOP BAR IS SOMEWHERE HERE. OKAY. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A ROOFTOP BAR RELATIVE TO RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENCES RIGHT HERE. I'M NOT PICTURING RESIDENTS CONSIDERING THE NOISE, THE LIGHTING, THE MUSIC, WHATEVER ELSE THAT GOES ON IN A ROOFTOP BAR. I'VE YET TO SEE A ROOFTOP BAR THAT'S QUIET AND SILENT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE GIVING VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATION WHETHER THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENCES, THEIR SOUND IMPLICATIONS, NOISE, IMPLICATIONS OF WHATEVER, EVEN IF IT ISN'T MUSIC, THERE'S NOISE. THE JUNTO HAS A ROOFTOP. IF YOU'VE BEEN ANYWHERE NEAR IT, IT'S NOT QUIET BY ANY STRETCH.SO THE OTHER SO YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. IF THIS IS A PRELIMINARY ENTRANCE WHERE THE VALET ET CETERA. IS GOING IN AND OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTING A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THIS STREET. AND I THINK YOU BETTER BE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION VERY SERIOUSLY. WHEN WE LOOKED AT RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, THIS WAS THE PARKING AREA AND ACCESS AREAS FOR COMMERCIAL. WHEN YOU PUT AN ENTRANCE TO A HOTEL THERE, THAT BECOMES A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC AREA. AND THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS INTENDED OVER HER.
THE QUESTION I'D ASK ABOUT THE HOTEL WHEN YOU SAY WITHOUT I DON'T NEED THE PERSON'S THE HOTEL'S NAME, HOW MANY ROOMS? RIGHT NOW THERE'S 130 ROOMS, ROUGHLY 130 ON TWO FLOORS. ON THREE FLOORS, THREE FLOORS ABOVE THE LOBBY. OKAY, SO THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UNLIKE THE JUNTO, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL AREA AND NOT A HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL AREA. OKAY, THESE ARE CONDOS THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN. WOULD BE POTENTIALLY LIVING IN TOWNHOUSES LIKE KESWICK. I CAN SPEAK FOR KESWIC. NOBODY WANTS ROOFTOP ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT WILL BE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WHEN IT COMES UP JUST BEING HONEST, I HAVE NO ISSUE ABOUT A HOTEL OR NOT A HOTEL, BUT CLEARLY WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC HERE AND ON THE SOUND AND NOISE THAT COME FROM THAT ROOFTOP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATION. YEAH. WELL, IT IS AN URBAN SETTING. IT'S AN URBAN, DENSE URBAN SETTING. YOU'RE GOING TO EXPECT TO HAVE MORE ACTIVITY. BUT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS. BUT SOMEBODY LIVING IN BUILDING TEN IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO I WOULD THINK. YEAH. IT'S A IT'S A GOOD COMMENT. AND I THINK RESOLVING THE TRAFFIC ALONG THAT MAIN CORRIDOR IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE IS NECESSARILY A PULL OFF, PERHAPS NOT LIKE A TRADITIONAL PORTE COCHERE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN A IN A HOTEL, MAYBE. MAYBE NOT. I GUESS WE'LL SEE. BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION. GIVEN I HEARD YOUR REMARK ABOUT THE KIND OF AN UBER LYFT KIND OF WAITING AREA THAT'S PROBABLY HAS TO BE REALLY UNDERSTOOD AGAINST THE CHECK IN, CHECK OUT SEQUENCE THAT CAN REALLY OCCUR AT CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY OR TIMES OF THE WEEK. THAT COULD REALLY STYMIE THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THAT AREA. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE THE REFINEMENT.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE SEEING MORE. YEAH. THANK YOU AGAIN. THAT'S YEAH. YEAH. WELL I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM
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OUR MEMBERS? NOT ON. I JUST ASKED STAFF WHAT DO YOU SEE ANYTHING COMING DOWN THE PIKE FOR NEXT MONTH? YES. OKAY. I CAN'T READ IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S STUFF. OKAY. NEXT MONTH? JANUARY? YES. NEXT MONTH. THERE WILL BE. NEXT MONTH THERE WILL BE A MEETING. OKAY. WONDERFUL.NOT A PROBLEM. I ALSO WILL MAKE A PLUG. IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T ALREADY TAKEN THE YEAR END
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SURVEY TOWARDS THE COMMISSION SURVEY, I CAN RESEND IT TO EVERYONE. SEND IT TO EVERYBODY.A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, MAYBE I'LL SEND IT TO YOU GUYS. RESEND IT? YEAH. RESEND THAT. JUST A LITTLE PLUG. ALL RIGHT I DON'T YEAH I DON'T KNOW THAT I IF I SAW IT I DIDN'T I DON'T RECALL IT OKAY.
I'LL RESEND IT. WE'RE WAITING. YOU YOU'RE RATING US FIVE STARS FOR. OH NO I, I CLEARLY NOW THAT YOU SAY THAT I WONDER I DIDN'T SEE IT. MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE. THAT WAS YOUR WAY OF TELLING ME.
I GOT, LIKE, A 1.5 STAR. YEAH. THERE WE ARE. THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK NEXT MONTH'S HERE. I JUST REMEMBERED THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE HORSE AND THE GENTLEMAN PROJECT THAT'S IN THE HISTORIC VILLAGE CENTER. OKAY, THE THAT THE ONE THAT'S AT SECOND AND THIRD STREET. SO WE ANTICIPATE WE HAVEN'T GOT THE SUBMITTAL DEADLINE, I BELIEVE. IS THIS FRIDAY FOR THAT MEETING.
IS THAT THE ONE WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE? YES. ALSO YEAH. I THINK IT WAS BACK IN MARCH OR FEBRUARY EARLIER THIS YEAR. LOOKED AT IT CONCEPTUALLY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THE APARTMENTS BEHIND EAGLES.
YES THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH THAT'S BEEN A WHILE. YEAH I THINK THAT WAS IT THIS YEAR. ALL RIGHT. IT DOESN'T MATTER. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO STAFF AND ALL ELSE. YEAH. THANK YOU MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. LIKEWISE. YES I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE ADJOURN. SOUNDS LIKE A SECOND TO ME. MR. EITAN? YES, MR. HANSEN? YES. MR. BROWN. YES. MISS MOORE. YES. MR. MALITZ.
YES. MR. DAVEY. YES. ALL VOTES IN
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.