Jan 13, 2025 Architectural Review Board Meeting

[I. Call to order]

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THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD MEETING FOR JANUARY 13TH, 2025. SOUNDS FUNNY TO SAY SO. CHRISTINA, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. HENSON? HERE. MR. ITEM. YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MR. DAVEY. HERE. MISS MOORE. HERE.

MR. MALITZ. HERE. MR. STRAHLER. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. HERE. ALL VOTING MEMBERS ARE

[III. Action on minutes: December 9, 2024]

BOARD MEMBER MALITZ AGREED AND ADDED THAT HE WAS INITIALLY SKEPTICAL OF THE LOW PITCH OF THE ROOF. BUT AFTER SEEING THE RENDERING PERIOD AND THEN IT GOES ON, LESS IS MORE IN THIS CONTEXT, AND HE WAS NOT SURE THAT MORE CAN BE DONE. I THINK THAT MR. MALITZ PROBABLY SAID AFTER SEEING THE RENDERING COMMA, HE CONCLUDED THAT LESS IS MORE IN THIS CONTEXT. AGAIN, SUBJECT TO MR. MALITZ. AGREEMENT THAT HE'S MORE LIKELY TO HAVE SAID THAT THAN WHAT WAS IN THE MINUTES. OKAY. BUT I WOULD I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE MAKE THAT CHANGE. SECOND. AND I WOULD ALSO THEN MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS. NONE. OKAY. IS THAT MR. MALITZ ON THE SECOND? MR. MR. ITEM. YES. MR. HENSON. YES. MR. BROWN. YES. MR. DAVIES. YES.

MR. MALIK. YES. MISS MOORE. YES. MR. STRAHLER. ABSTAIN. YOUR SIX VOTES IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF

[IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda]

[VII. Other business (Part 1 of 2)]

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. I'M HERE JOINED BY OUR TEAM, NATHAN GAMMELLA, WHO'S OUR ARCHITECT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AND FIRE FACILITY THAT WE'LL GET TO AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. I WILL INITIALLY START OUR CONVERSATION GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT THIS BOARD WILL BE SEEING OVER THE NEXT COMING YEARS. WE'RE GENERALLY BROKEN INTO PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO PROJECTS, AND I'LL BE CALLING THOSE OUT. ALSO WITH ME, IN TERMS OF OUR TEAM, MIKE DINGLEDINE HERE IS WITH COMMUNITY DESIGN ALLIANCE, WHO'S OUR PARTNER ARCHITECT, A VERY INSTRUMENTAL ON THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS. ALONG WITH OUR SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND PROGRAMING. AND THEIR FIRM ALSO HANDLES ALL THE INTERIORS FOR OUR PROJECTS.

WITH KLINE GROUP, MEGAN CYR AND CARLA SAMMONS. CIVIL ENGINEER. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT RESPECTIVELY, AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE NEW ALBANY PLAINS SCHOOL DISTRICT, MICHAEL SAWYERS. LORI LOFTON, BECKY JENKINS AND KEN KRAMER IN THE BACK. AND THEN I ALSO SEE JOHN KERR WITH THE ROGER D FIELDS AND ASSOCIATES, WHO'S OUR MEP ENGINEER. SO THE WHOLE TEAM IS HERE. NOT THE WHOLE TEAM. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE BACK IN THE OFFICE AND AT HOME AS WELL. SO WE'RE DELIGHTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE PLANS THAT ARE IN THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE SCHOOLS. AS I SAID, THERE WAS THERE'S PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO PROJECTS. THAT WERE DEVELOPED IN THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH OF COURSE

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LAST YEAR, SHAW ARCHITECTS WAS COMMISSIONED IN THIS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. WE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE IN A THROUGH S ALPHABETICALLY. NOT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS IN THAT A THROUGH S LIST MADE THE CUT IN TERMS OF BUDGET AS PRIORITIES. SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND HAVE WEEDED OUT SOME OF THOSE. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ALL A THROUGH S HERE TONIGHT. BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH. ACTUALLY LETTER B WHICH IS A NEW PRIMARY SCHOOL K AND FIRST AND SECOND GRADES FACILITY THAT IS LOCATED OFF OF THAT SWICKARD WOODS BOULEVARD NEAR THE EXISTING PRIMARY SCHOOL. THE LOCATION OF THAT FACILITY WOULD BE WHERE THE EXISTING BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I'LL BE MENTIONING BECAUSE THAT NEEDS A NEW HOME. SO WE'RE HOPING TO BREAK GROUND ON THIS IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR. AND SO WE BACK THAT UP IN TERMS OF DESIGN SCHEDULE. WE ARE IN SCHEMATIC DESIGN. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE IMAGE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE MASTER PLAN FIT PLAN TO SEE IF THIS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE FITS ON THE SITE AND IF IT'S DOABLE. WHERE THAT PLAN NOW LOOKS TODAY IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT OF A TWO STORY FACILITY THAT GENERALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS. AND SO SITTING ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU SEE THAT IT IS NOW LOCATED ON THE SITE WITH THE NEW ORIENTATION. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME VERY HIGH LEVEL BIG MOVING PIECES. INCLUDING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF THE IMPACT TO SWICKARD WOODS AND HOW THIS SITE WOULD BE ACCESSED.

I JUST HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ON FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK, SO THIS IS KIND OF FRESH OFF THE PRESS.

OUR NEXT ASSOCIATED PROJECT IS IMPROVEMENTS TO SWICKARD WOODS AND THE ACCESS TO THAT SCHOOL SITE. AND THE CITY INDEPENDENTLY HAS HAD THEIR EYES ON SWICKARD WOODS INTEREST IN IMPROVING THAT TO PROBABLY A LIGHTED INTERSECTION THERE. WORKING OUT THE DETAILS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADDED USE OF THAT FACILITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD FOR THE SCHOOL. SO THAT'S 250 STUDENTS FOR KINDERGARTEN AND 1000 SEATS FOR FIRST AND SECOND GRADE BEING ADDED TO THAT SITE. WE WILL, AT OUR NEXT MEETING COME TO YOU BE STARTING TO BRING SOME PRELIMINARY ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS AND WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT EARLY ON IN THAT DESIGN STAGE SO THAT WE GET OFF TO THE RIGHT FOOT. TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO SHARE SOME OF THAT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION FACILITY WHEN I HAND IT OFF TO NATHAN. SO THAT'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA IN TERMS OF OUR PROCESS AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE SHARING AND GET INITIAL FEEDBACK. THE NEXT FEW PROJECTS I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT ARE ACTUALLY A PART OF PHASE TWO. SO AS A PART OF THE BOND, THERE'S MILLAGE THAT COMES OFF AND NEW MILLAGE AVAILABLE IN 2027 FOR FUNDING SOURCES. SO THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO IN TERMS OF PROJECTS. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL CAMPUS SITE, THAT WE HAVE IN MIND WHAT THE MASTER PLAN IS FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS AND THE FINAL SITE DESIGN, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME AWKWARD STAGES WHERE MAYBE A BUILDING IS COMING DOWN, A PARKING LOT IS BEING EXPANDED, ANOTHER BUILDING NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE TREE REPLACEMENTS AND PARKING COUNTS, WE HAVE TO BE DESIGNING TO A MASTER PLAN. SO THIS IS ALL PHASE TWO, WHICH WOULD AGAIN BE HITTING IN 27. WE WRAP UP THE WHOLE PROCESS IN 2030 IS OUR OVERALL TIMELINE. SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. THE ITEM HERE IS D AND YOU SEE THE BIG D ON THE SCREEN ON THE PLAN THAT'S AT THE ANNEX BUILDING. THE PLAN IS FOR THAT TO BE REMOVED AND ALSO EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT DISTRICT OFFICES OF TAKING OVER THE MEDICAL PORTIONS OF THAT BUILDING. SO IT'S PRIMARILY INTERIOR RENOVATIONS. PROBABLY NOT ANY OR MINIMAL IMPACT TO AN EXTERIOR. WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT THAT THAT'S THE PLANNED PROJECT UNDER D. E IS SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE PRIMARY SCHOOL. SO THAT'S THE BIG PARKING LOT THAT YOU SEE IN THE LETTER E. IT IS NOT THAT'S NOT FINALIZED. WE NEED TO GET PARKING LOT ISLANDS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THIS IS A MASTER PLAN TO KIND OF SEE WHAT KIND OF PARKING COULD BE AVAILABLE TO

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FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS. AND YOU SEE HOW WE'RE CONNECTING THREE BUILDINGS WITH THIS NEW ADDITION THAT SITS BETWEEN THE THREE OF THEM. IT WILL BE A NEW FACE TO THE BUILDING, TO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT. CHANGE IN TO THE SCHOOL CAMPUS. AND SO THAT IS PHASE TWO. BUT WE WILL BE WANTING TO GET EARLY ON TO THIS BOARD FOR FEEDBACK ON THAT PROJECT. OTHER ITEMS RELATED TO THE HIGH SCHOOL LETTER F. SO THIS IS A COMPLETE RENOVATION OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING UNDER H WITH AN ADDITION AS WELL. THIS IS A NEW SCIENCE HUB FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL. AND THIS IS SEQUENCED WITH LETTER G, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BUILD G BEFORE TO HAVE A NEW HOME. BEFORE WE TAKE OVER THE BUILDING FOR LETTER H.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO KIND OF MAJOR CHANGES HAPPENING AT THE AT THE CAMPUS. AT J IS THE HIGH SCHOOL TECH HUB. THAT'S THE EXISTING DOMED BUILDING ON THE CAMPUS. THIS IS A EXHAUSTIVE INTERIOR RENOVATION, BUT NO REALLY PROPOSED EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT BUILDING AND MAKE SURE THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE HAPPENING WINDOWS, ROOFS, ETC.

TO BE WARM, SAFE AND DRY. BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THAT BUILDING TO THE EXTERIOR, BUT INTERIOR COMPLETELY RENOVATED. THERE'S A PROPOSED AND I KEEP SAYING PROPOSED. I SHOULD PUT A CAVEAT ON THIS, AND THIS IS ALL IN THE MASTER PLAN. WE'LL SEE WHERE THE FUNDING COMES IN. WE'LL SEE WHERE OUR PRIORITIES ARE. SOME OF THESE ARE ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW ON THE TABLE FOR THE MASTER PLAN. WE'LL SEE AND VERIFY IF THESE DO INDEED BECOME PROJECTS. BUT K IS A NEW STORAGE FACILITY FOR THE MCCOY. YOU SEE, IT'S KIND OF TUCKED AWAY FROM THE PRIMARY VIEW OF THAT BUILDING, BUT IT IS ON THAT CAMPUS SITE AND WOULD BE IN CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER FACILITIES, LIKE THE ANNEX AND THE PARKING LOTS, ETC.

SO THAT'S WHY I TALK ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN. WE'VE GOT LOTS OF PARTS AND PIECES HERE. AT CU IS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL STADIUM. THIS WOULD BE A SYNTHETIC TURF FIELD FOR THE STADIUM FIELD, AND THEN TWO GRASS FIELDS THAT YOU SEE WITH THE LETTER R, AND THOSE WOULD ALSO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING BLEACHERS, CONCESSIONS, RESTROOM FACILITIES, POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL PARKING ON HERE AS WELL. THIS WILL BE A PART OF PHASE ONE. SO THIS WILL BE HAPPENING SOONER. BUT WE HAVEN'T DELVED INTO THE DESIGN AT ALL YET ON THIS ONE, BUT IT WILL BE COMING THROUGH PROBABLY THIS YEAR. I INCLUDED THESE ON THE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE BOND ISSUE AND THE MASTER PLAN, BUT TRULY NOT EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS. SO IT PROBABLY DOESN'T GO TO THIS BOARD, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT. WE'LL HAVE SOME GYMNASIUM AND LOCKER ROOM IMPROVEMENTS. MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL AND INTERMEDIATE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL, WELLNESS AND ATHLETICS STORAGE AREAS, LOCKER ROOM RENOVATIONS. AND I MENTIONED THE BALL FIELDS OF THE INTERMEDIATE FOR TO MAKE ROOM FOR THIS INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL AND THE. THE MASTER PLAN ORIGINALLY HAD THESE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SCHOOL CAMPUS, WHICH WE DIDN'T SEE AS TERRIBLY IDEAL,

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WE'RE DIVING A BIT MORE INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS JOB COMPARED TO THE OTHERS THAT PAUL JUST WENT THROUGH. BUT THIS IS OUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOTTING OUR I'S AND CROSSING OUR T'S. SO ALL AND ALL FEEDBACK IS ENCOURAGED. NOTHING IS FINAL.

AND THIS MEETING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE TO ADD TO OUR LIST OF PROJECT PRIORITIES AND CONSIDERATIONS. SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES AND CONSIDERATIONS.

SO SITE ADJACENCIES AND RELATIONSHIPS. WE KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL AROUND THIS AREA, BUT THERE ARE ALSO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THIS AREA THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF. ACCESS TO THE INTERSECTION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AS PAUL SAID, WE HAVE A FIRE SUBSTATION GOING INTO THIS BUILDING AND FIRE ACCESS TO THE INTERSECTION IS CRITICAL DURING THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, AS WELL AS THE DAY TO DAY TRAVELING OF LARGE VEHICLES FOR THE BUS GARAGE. AND THEN THERE ARE THE JURISDICTIONAL AND AREA REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER, BUT WE HAVE THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD, CITY COUNCIL, THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT INCLUDES FOR US THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD FOR THIS SITE. SO ALL OF THESE ARE ON OUR PRIORITIES AND CONSIDERATIONS, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO ADDING TO THOSE TONIGHT. SO EVERYONE KIND OF GETS AN IDEA FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE. THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO PRESENT TONIGHT IS SORT OF THE END OF THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT AND PENDING ALL REQUIRED APPROVALS, CONSTRUCTION WILL COMMENCE ON SEPTEMBER 2025 AND COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION IN JULY OF 26, WHICH IS AN APPROXIMATE TEN MONTH DURATION. SO SOME KEY INFORMATION LOOKING AT THE FOOTPRINT HERE. THAT DIAGRAM REPRESENTS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. AND YOU'LL KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG AND SEE HOW IT CHANGES. SLIDE TO SLIDE. SO THIS IS A SINGLE BUILDING DIVIDED IN HALF BY A FIREWALL BUT WILL BE OCCUPIED BY TWO SEPARATE TENANTS. THE TENANTS ARE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THEY'RE ROUGHLY EQUAL IN SIZE. THE TRANSPORTATION FACILITY IS ABOUT 9400FT■!S, THE FIRE STATIN 8400FT■!S, AND BOTH OF THEM HAVA MEZZANINE ABOVE THEIR RESPECTIVE BUSINESS USE AREAS. AND SO THOSE ARE 2800FT■!S, ROUGHLY AND 1600 SQUARE FEET, RESPECTIVELY. AS FOR THE HEIGHT AND SHAPE OF THIS BUILDING, WE HAVE TWO GABLED ROOFS OR, EXCUSE ME, ONE GABLED ROOF, SORT OF AT TWO HEIGHTS. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING, 250FT OF IT, IS AT ABOUT 30FT IN HEIGHT. AND THEN IT STEPS DOWN TO THE FIRE SUBSTATION SLEEPING AREA, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AT ABOUT 16FT FOR THE LOCATION. THE ADDRESS FOR THIS AREA IS 7270 NEW ALBANY CONDIT ROAD. THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES. I

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BY THE WAY. THE PIPELINE IS ACTUALLY REPRESENTED BY THE DOTTED BLACK LINES. NO PAVEMENT WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE PIPELINE, EXCEPT FOR CROSSINGS BETWEEN 95 AND 90 DEGREES. NO PARALLEL TRAVEL LANES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND NO TURNING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

CROSSING ONLY. SO WE'VE ARRANGED OUR PARKING SO THAT THEY'RE PERPENDICULAR TO THE GAS MAIN RUNS, AND THAT THE ONLY TIME THAT WE ARE CROSSING THAT AREA IS FOR CROSSINGS PERPENDICULAR TO THAT AREA, WITH NO PARKING. SOME OTHER INFORMATION. SO SPEAKING OF PARKING FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AND FIRE SUBSTATION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE VAN PARKING. PARKING FOR ANYONE.

PEDESTRIANS COMING INTO THE BUILDING, BE IT FIRE OR TRANSPORTATION. SO STANDARD SPACES AS WELL AS BUS PARKING SPACES AND THE FIRE TRUCKS WILL BE INSIDE THE FIRE STATION ITSELF. BUT THERE'S A TOTAL CURRENTLY OF 227 SPACES ON THE SITE. AND THIS IS A GOOD SORT OF COLORED RENDERING OF HOW WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT THIS SITE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPE.

SO ITEM ONE ON THIS IS THE BUS PARKING. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT LOOPS AROUND WHERE THAT GAS EASEMENT IS. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE NUMBER FIVE IS THAT GAS LINE EASEMENT. SO WE HAVE GRASPED IN THAT AREA TO MAKE SURE NOTHING CAN CROSS THROUGH THAT AREA. ITEM TWO IS THE TRANSPORTATION PARKING WHICH IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THE TRANSPORTATION BUILDING. ITEM THREE IS ANY PARKING RELATED TO THE FIRE SUBSTATION? ITEM FOUR IS A RETENTION POND. AND THEN ITEM SIX IS LANDSCAPE BUFFER. SO WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT TREES ALONG NEW ALBANY ROAD EAST AND NEW ALBANY CONDIT ROAD. I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS SITE HAS AMPLE TREE BUFFER CURRENTLY, AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DISRUPT THAT AS A PART OF THIS JOB. BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY IF THINGS DO KIND OF MOVE AROUND OR CONSTRUCTION NEEDS ACCESS, WE'LL BE SURE TO PLANT TREES IN THAT AREA. BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TREE FRIENDLY AT SHAW ARCHITECTS.

THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITE IS GREEN AS POSSIBLE. AS FOR THE EXTERIOR DESIGN. SO WE WANT THIS TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT NEW ALBANY HAS WORKED SO HARD TO BUILD. SO WE'VE EXAMINED SIMILAR BUILDING TYPES IN THE CITY. TWO EXAMPLES OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMPLEX AT 7800 BETHLEHEM ROAD, AND THE EXISTING FIRE STATION AT 9500 JOHNSTON ROAD. AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT IN LINE WITH THE SOUND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF NEW ALBANY. SO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON PROPORTIONS, MATERIALS AND COLOR, AND WE WANT TO HAVE A CLEAR, CLEAR DIRECTION FOR SAFETY. SO ANY PERSON ENTERING THE SITE, IF THEY'RE GOING THERE FOR AN EMERGENCY, WE WANT THEM TO SAY THAT'S THE FIRE STATION AND THAT'S WHERE I NEED TO GO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. THE DESIGN TEAM SENT AN INITIAL RENDERING TO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY STAFF ON DECEMBER 11TH OF 24, AND WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE CITY'S ARCHITECT, DAVID BULLOCK, AND HAVE INCORPORATED THOSE ELEMENTS SINCE WE RECEIVED THEM. SO THIS WAS THE RENDERING OF THE FIRE STATION PORTION SHOWN ON DECEMBER 1124. AND HERE WERE SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM DAVID THAT WE RECEIVED. SO HE ADDED, PROJECTING THE CENTER BAY TO THE MAIN ENTRY OF THE FIRE STATION, ADDING A CULTURED STONE WATER TABLE AROUND THE FIRE STATION PORTION OF THE BUILDING, CORRECTED SOME OF OUR MULLION PATTERNS OVER OUR OVERHEAD DOORS, MAKING THOSE ALL VERTICAL AND ADJUSTING SOME COLUMN WIDTHS AS WELL. TO MAKE THE FRONT END FRONT ENTRY POP A LITTLE MORE. SO THIS IS THE REVISED RENDERING AS OF JANUARY 13TH, 2025. SO THE

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HERE'S SOME OTHER RENDERINGS, THIS ONE TAKEN A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, A BIT OF AN AERIAL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO DEVELOP THE SITE AS WE WORK THROUGH THE SITE, DESIGN THE LANDSCAPING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THAT WITHIN OUR BUILDING. SO STAY TUNED TO SEE MORE AERIAL VIEWS TAKING A LITTLE HIGHER. YOU CAN SEE THAT WATER TABLE RUNS AROUND THE AREA FOR THE FIRE STATION.

KIND OF DEAD ENDS INTO TWO NATURAL CORNERS. AND THEN WE CONTINUE AROUND THE BUILDING WITH THE NEW ALBANY WHITE. AND THEN TAKING AT GROUND LEVEL ANYONE ENTERING THE SITE, THEY ENTER A LITTLE BIT TO THE KIND OF RIGHT OF THIS IMAGE. SO THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IS THAT FIRE STATION. AND WE IMAGINE ANYONE ENTERING THE SITE WHO IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION EMPLOYEE, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE HEADING. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE EMPHASIS FOR THE BUILDING. SO SOME KEY INFORMATION ON MATERIALS. THIS IS A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING. SO WE HAVE A THAT HAS A STEEL SUPERSTRUCTURE. AND THEN YOU ADD METAL PANELS TO THE OUTSIDE. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE METAL PANELS. CURRENTLY THE RENDERING SHOWS AN R TYPE PANEL. ITS PROFILE IS LISTED RIGHT THERE. IT HAS ABOUT 1.25IN IN HEIGHT FOR EVERY ONE FOOT, AND THEN SPREAD OUT ALONG THERE WITH STIFFENING RIBS IN BETWEEN.

THERE IS A GABLED STANDING SEAM, METAL ROOF, CULTURED STONE WATER TABLE AROUND THE FIRE STATION, WINDOWS WITH VERTICAL MUNTIN PATTERNS, AND THE OVERHEAD DOORS ARE DESIGNED TO MATCH THE EXISTING FIRE STATION, WITH THE TWO PANES OF GLASS AT THE CORRECT HEIGHTS AND THEN AROUND THE BUILDING. WE'RE ALSO USING GOOSENECK STYLE LIGHTING FIXTURES. I'LL NOTE AS WELL THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF, LOOKING AT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD HAS SET FORTH ON THE WEBSITE, WE'RE AWARE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COLORS IN THE HISTORICAL PALETTE. WE'LL BE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE USING THOSE IN ALL OF OUR EXTERIOR DESIGNS GOING FORWARD FOR ALL PROJECTS. SO I WANT TO REITERATE TONIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR INITIAL FEEDBACK, AND WE'RE REALLY READY TO HEAR ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO IMPROVE THESE JOBS AND MAKE THEM CORRECT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. SO AT THIS TIME, FOR THE MASTER PLAN FOR TRANSPORTATION, WE ARE INVITING ANY AND ALL COMMENTS AND THANK YOU. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE OF THE ONE OF THE SLIDES OF THE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO SEE. OKAY. YEAH. THE RENDERING. THERE WE GO. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. I PRESUME THAT SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THIS BOARD HAS HAS OPINED ON THE WISDOM OF PLACING A FIRE STATION CLOSE TO SOMETHING THAT COULD RUPTURE AND BURN. BUT THAT'S NOT THIS BOARD'S REMIT. BUT I SAY THAT AS A CITIZEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PRESUMABLY THESE UNITS AREN'T ROLLING OUT OF THE DOORS HERE.

IF, IF THE IF IT'S BURNING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT ON THAT ONE. IS THE ENTRANCE THAT'S SHOWN HERE. THAT'S THE FIRE STATION ENTRANCE FOR THE, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OR IS THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE WHOLE BUILDING? WHAT'S THAT? THAT IS THE ENTRANCE. SO THIS BUILDING TYPICALLY WILL HAVE, I BELIEVE, AROUND EIGHT FIRE STAFF IN THAT AREA. SO IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY LARGE BUILDING, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE FOR ANY PEDESTRIANS. IT WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR ANYONE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF GOING INTO THE BUILDING, BUT THEY HAVE ACCESS THROUGH OTHER DOORS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING, THROUGH KEYCARD ACCESS. SO YOU IF I'M GOING TO SEE TRANSPORTATION OR, OR PEOPLE AT THE, AT THE SUB STATION, THAT'S WHERE I GO IN FOR THE FIRE SUBSTATION, YOU'D ARRIVE THERE FOR TRANSPORTATION, YOU WOULD CONTINUE AND HOOK A RIGHT AT THIS MAIN ENTRY ON THE RIGHT OF THE PAGE. AND THE TRANSPORTATION ENTRANCE TO THE SITE IS ACTUALLY AROUND THE CORNER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE. AND SO IT WOULD HAVE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFUL TO SEE THAT. UNDERSTOOD. SO. COULD YOU BRING UP THE SITE PLAN AGAIN? SO UNDERSTANDING THE RESTRAINTS OF THE GAS LINE, IT DOES FEEL VERY CIRCUITOUS AS A FIRE TRUCK TO GO OUT THE BACK AND AROUND. COULD YOU SPEAK TO. IT SEEMS LIKE THE FRONT DOOR IS REALLY IN THE WAY BACK. SO. YEAH. SO CURRENTLY WITHOUT ADDING TOO MANY ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS TO THE SITE, THE WAY THIS PLAN INITIALLY WORKS IS FIRE TRUCKS WOULD ENTER BACK ONTO THE SITE ON OLD SCHLEPPI ROAD, COME DOWN AND BE ABLE TO GO AROUND AND THEN ENTER THE FIRE STATION SO THAT IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, THEY CAN EXIT OUT

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SURE. THE TRANSOM WINDOW. I GUESS I'M NOT EVEN CLIMBING THE TRANSOM WINDOWS ABOVE THE GARAGES. ARE THEY ABLE TO BE EQUALLY SPACED INSTEAD OF ONE AT EACH OF THE RIGHT AND LEFT UPPER CORNER? YES, I THINK WE CAN SEE HOW IT LOOKS WITH THAT. EVENLY SPACED BETWEEN THE OVERHEAD DOORS. YES, LIKE EACH ONE EQUALLY SPACED LIKE I, I IT'S A LITTLE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GET TOGETHER LIKE THAT. YES. AND THEN WHAT IS THE LOGO AT THE TOP PART OF THE.

THAT IS THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP LOGO. IT KIND OF RENDERED WITH AN ORANGE COLOR. IT'LL PROBABLY HAVE A BIT MORE CONTRAST SO IT DOESN'T GET LOST IN SUNLIGHT IN THE FINAL. IN THE NEXT ROUND OF RENDERINGS, I SHOULD SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S THE OOPS, THIS DETAIL OF THE SIDE, THESE ARE SIDELIGHT WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DOOR IN. YEAH. SO THAT WAS KIND OF A CHANGE THAT WE MADE. IT WAS SOMEWHAT LAST MINUTE. SO THE IDEA WAS ONE TO KIND OF KEEP THE CONTINUATION OF THE STOREFRONT DOOR ENTRY WITH GLASS GOING UP. WHEN WE TOURED THE EXISTING FIRE STATION, THERE'S GLASS ADJACENT TO THE DOORS, WHICH GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND, AND I HEAR THEY'RE JUST CONSTANTLY BATTERED WITH SNOW OR ANYTHING WHEN THINGS ARE BEING SHOVELED OR CLEANED. SO ONE OF THE FIRE STAFF MADE A COMMENT THAT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOLID PANELS DOWN IN THOSE AREAS. SO WE'VE MADE THE CHANGE IN OUR MODEL TO ALLOW FOR SOLID PANELS THAT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A TRIM PIECE AROUND THEM THAT WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND WE'RE EXPERIMENTING WITH HOW THAT LOOKS ON THIS JOB. SO WOULD THAT BE DETAILED WITH LIKE THE SIDE OF THE RAIL? CORRECT. YOU KNOW, CONTINUATION. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, FURTHER TO MR. HENSON'S.

THIS DOESN'T WORK FURTHER TO HINT MR. HENSON'S IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS SHOWING THEM ABOVE THE TOP OF THE DOOR. IT WOULD SEEM THAT THEY WOULD. THEY WOULD. IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE HEADER OF THE DOOR IS. YES, IT WOULD SEEM THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE LEVEL IF AGAIN, I WANT TO SEE MORE OF THAT WHEN WE GET WHEN WE GET FURTHER ALONG. AND THAT'S A GLASS DOOR. CORRECT. AND THEN THE DOORS OR THE WINDOWS HERE, THESE ARE THREE WINDOWS, THREE THREE WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE EACH CORRECT. THREE WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE WITH THREE WITH DIVIDED LIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. IS THERE A REASON THE WATER TABLE WASN'T CONTINUED FOR THE GARAGES? ARE THE CITY'S ARCHITECT ONLY POINTED OUT FOR THE FIRE STATION. AND GIVEN THAT THAT IS SORT OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR PEDESTRIANS GOING INTO THIS BUILDING, ANYONE REALLY VISITING THIS SITE WHO'S NOT WORKING FOR EITHER BUILDING, IT SEEMED TO BRING EMPHASIS TO THAT ONE PORTION, IS SORT OF THE LOGIC THAT WE'VE BEEN GOTTEN BY. I JUST HESITATE WITH THE WHITE GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND. I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD GROUND THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT BETTER, AND IT'LL JUST PROTECT IT TOO, FROM BEING DIRTY. I'D BE INTERESTED TO LOOK AT THE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT DOES, BUT THE PRECEDENT FOR THE CITY MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS, WHAT WAS DONE THERE. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THERE IS A STONE WATER TABLE AROUND MOST OF THAT COMPLEX. I'VE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO GET KIND OF TOWARDS THE GATE, NOT PAST THE GATE. SO I CAN VERIFY THAT SOMEBODY HERE COULD LET YOU GET IN FURTHER. BUT BUT YEAH, I MEAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THAT, THAT BUILDING THAT I THINK THIS BOARD LIKES. SO I MEAN SO THAT MAY INFORM TO SOME EXTENT SOME OF THE THINGS, IF YOU SEE THINGS THAT YOU LIKE. BUT I, I COMMEND YOU COMING HERE AND DOING THIS BECAUSE THAT

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IT ACTUALLY JUMPS UP TO ABOUT SIX FEET AROUND THAT WHOLE PORTION. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT ON THE FACADE. I'M WONDERING IF A BLACK DOOR WOULD BRING YOU IN A LITTLE MORE TO CALL OUT THE ENTRANCE? WELL, CERTAINLY. I MEAN, THE NEXT ONE I IMAGINE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COLORED CHANCES, SO ANYTHING THAT HEIGHTENS THAT CONTRAST WILL CERTAINLY BRING. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR ME I ALL RIGHT. SORRY. ONE MORE QUESTION. DO THEY PROVIDE GASOLINE FACILITIES FOR THAT SITE? WILL THERE BE A FUELING STATION? YES. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THAT. CURRENTLY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FUELING STATION. IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM FOUR, THE RETENTION AREA, THE FUELING ISLAND IS THAT SORT OF LIGHT GRAY RECTANGLE ADJACENT RIGHT THERE. OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MASTER PLAN PORTION BY CHANCE? WATTS, I'M CURIOUS. QUITE A BIT OF. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE BUSY. IS THAT FIVE YEARS BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO? IS THAT FIVE YEARS WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION? YES. AND WHAT'S THE COST FOR PHASE ONE PROJECTED? 75 MILLION. THANK YOU BECKY, 60 MILLION FOR PHASE. THANK YOU. WOW. WELL THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WE LOOK FORWARD TO AGAIN SEEING THINGS AS MUCH IN ADVANCE AS WE CAN. BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP US AT LEAST GUIDE YOU AS YOU GO FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND YEAH, WE'LL BE BACK MANY TIMES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I NEGLECTED TO INTRODUCE VICKI NEWELL IN OUR OFFICE, AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM FIRE CHIEF CONNOR IS HERE, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE ALL RECEIVED YOUR COMMENTS AT OUR NEXT MEETING. COMING TO YOU, VICKI WILL BE PRESENTING INFORMATION ON THE PRIMARY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AS WELL. SO I'M GLAD SHE WAS HERE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHARE THAT PRESENTATION WITH US? ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE IN VERY QUICKLY. YES. AND I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A BETTER CLOSER LOOK AT IT, SHARE IT WITH COUNCIL AS WELL. I KNOW, WE KNOW UNDERSTAND IT'S EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY, BUT IT WOULD. OKAY. YES. STAFF HAS IT. KRISTINA HAS IT. OKAY OKAY I'LL GET IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU

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[VI. Cases]

OKAY. THE NEXT CASE IS ARB 96 2024 FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION OF ONE EXISTING, ONE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME LOCATED AT 28 NORTH HIGH STREET. APPLICANT IS NEW TOWN CENTER, LLC. COULD WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? YES. THERE ARE THREE APPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE, SO I'M GOING TO PRESENT THEM ALL TOGETHER. HOWEVER, EACH OF THEM NEED THEIR OWN SEPARATE MOTION AND VOTE. THE FIRST APPLICATION IS FOR A DEMOLITION OF A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. THE SECOND IS FOR TWO PROPOSED BUILDING TYPOLOGIES, AND THE THIRD IS FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. HERE IS AN OVERALL MAP OF THE SITE AND GREEN IS 28 NORTH HIGH STREET, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED. THE ORANGE OUTLINE IS SUB PARCEL A, WHICH WILL BE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE RUST OUTLINE IS SUB PARCEL B, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF TOWNHOME UNITS AND LASTLY THE BLUE OUTLINE IS SUB PARCEL C, WHICH WILL BE AN APARTMENT OR WILL BE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE FIRST APPLICATION IS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF 28 NORTH HIGH STREET. THIS WAS BUILT IN 1910 AS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO IS IN SEVERE DISREPAIR AND HAS NO HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE WILL MAKE WAY FOR A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OFFERING ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO THE CITY. THE APPLICANT MUST MEET ONE OF THE THREE CRITERIA, AND THE APPLICANT IS MEETING ALL THREE CRITERIA AS REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE SECOND APPLICATION IS FOR TWO PROPOSED BUILDING TYPOLOGIES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE URBAN CENTER CODE CONTEMPLATES AND ALLOWS NEW BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. THESE WOULD NOT BE ADDED TO THE BUILDING. THESE WOULD NOT BE ADDED TO THE URBAN CENTER CODE, BUT RATHER JUST SPECIFIC TO THE SITE. THE FIRST PROPOSED BUILDING TYPOLOGY IS FOR TUCK UNDER TOWNHOMES, WHICH WILL BE SUB PARCEL B. THE PROPOSED BUILDING FALLS WITHIN THE CORE RESIDENTIAL AND HISTORIC CENTER SUB AREAS. SINCE THE SITE SITS WITHIN TWO SUB AREAS WITH DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A NEW TYPOLOGY TO ENSURE CONSISTENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. HERE YOU CAN SEE A RENDERING OF THE TOWNHOMES AND THE TUCK UNDER PARKING NOT SHOWN HERE IS LOCATED ALONG THE PRIVATE DRIVE. IN ADDITION TO LOT STANDARDS, MOST OF THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ALREADY PERMITTED FOR VARIOUS BUILDING TYPOLOGIES IN THE URBAN SETTING. URBAN CENTER CODE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, SCREENING UTILITY STRUCTURES. VEHICULAR VEHICULAR ACCESS AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, ENTRANCES TO TOWNHOMES PROVIDED FROM THE STREET LANDSCAPING AND STREET AND SIDE YARDS, AND LASTLY SIMILAR PARKING STANDARDS. THE SECOND PROPOSED BUILDING TYPOLOGY IS HYBRID COURTYARD, WHICH INCLUDES MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UNDERGROUND PARKING AND A PRIVATE COURTYARD AREA. THE SITE FALLS WITHIN THE CORE RESIDENTIAL SUB AREA, WHICH PERMITS MULTI-FAMILY WITH TWO OR MORE DWELLING UNITS, BUT DOES NOT CONSIDER APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING. MOST OF THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ALREADY PERMITTED FOR THE VARIOUS BUILDING TYPOLOGIES IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE, INCLUDING SCREENING, VEHICULAR ACCESS, LANDSCAPING, AND STREET AND SIDE YARDS AND PARKING STANDARDS. IN SUMMARY, THE TWO PROPOSED BUILDING TYPOLOGIES ALIGN WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS. THEIR DESIGNED MASSING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING BUILDING TYPOLOGIES ALLOWED IN THE HISTORIC CENTER AND CORE RESIDENTIAL ZONING SUB DISTRICTS. THEY PROMOTE DIVERSE HOUSING, INCREASED DENSITY, AND A WALKABLE URBAN FORM WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE THIRD APPLICATION IS FOR THE OVERALL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES SETBACK WAIVERS THAT I WILL BE ADDRESSING AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION. THIS WILL INCLUDE THREE SUB PARCELS

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SO THIS WAS YEAH. SO THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN 2023. BUT SINCE THEN THERE HAS BEEN DIFFERENT VERSIONS. SO ULTIMATELY GET TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY ARCHITECT WAS I CAN SEE SOME DIFFERENCES NOW OKAY. THANK YOU. NOPE. NO WORRIES. ALL RIGHT. SO PARCEL A ENCOMPASSES 4276FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 17 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS. PARKING IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ALONG CHERRY ALLEY, ENSURING EASY ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS AND COMMERCIAL PATRONS. FOR ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING BRICK HARDY BOARD SIDING, WOOD COLUMNS, SHINGLE ROOFING AND STONE AROUND THE CHIMNEYS. HERE ARE THE FRONT ELEVATIONS FOR BUILDING A, AND I WILL GO THROUGH THE RENDERINGS. HERE IS A VIEW FROM FOUNDERS AVENUE AND HIGH STREET REGARDING THE HARDY BOARD, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS USED UP HERE. AND ALONG THIS SIDE. THE URBAN CENTER CODE SPECIFIES MIXING OF ELEMENTS SHALL BE AVOIDED. THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE ARCHITECTURE AND STATES THAT THE HARDY BOARD PANELING IS A DURABLE ALTERNATIVE TO TRADITIONAL WOOD, AND AIMS TO MAINTAIN A HISTORICAL APPEARANCE. THIS IS NOT A CASE OF MIXING ELEMENTS, BUT RATHER USING A MODERN MATERIAL IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER TO ACHIEVE A HISTORIC LOOKING RESULT. HOWEVER, THE DESIGN DETAILS HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED, AND THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE USE OF HARDY BOARD SIDING DESIGN DETAILS BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THIS CONDITION IS FOR ALL THREE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS. HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING FROM HIGH STREET, SHOWING THE STOREFRONTS HERE, ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND BALCONIES. THE STOREFRONTS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE HOURS AND ARE SIMILAR TO ESTABLISHED STOREFRONTS AND VILLAGE SQUARE, INCLUDING LARGE DISPLAY WINDOWS. STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS BE EITHER VINYL OR ALUMINUM CLAD. THIS CONDITION IS ALSO FOR ALL THREE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS, AS REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO PARCEL B CONSISTS OF 19,445FT■!S AND INCLUDES 14 TOWNHOMES WITH TUCK UNDER PARKING. THE TOWNHOMES ALL HAVE INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCES FROM THE STREET AND, SIMILAR TO PARCEL A, IS DESIGNED WITH THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS, INCLUDING BRICK AND HARDY BOARD SIDING. TUCK UNDER PARKING IS ALONG A PRIVATE DRIVE AND IS NOT SEEN FROM THE STREETS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF, HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREETS. HERE IS AN ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING FROM SECOND AND CHERRY ALLEY, SHOWING FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. AND HERE IS A VIEW FROM FOUNDERS ALLEY AND CHERRY ALLEY SHOWING THE THREE STORY TOWNHOMES WITH STEP ENTRANCES ALONG THE FRONTAGES. AND ADDITIONALLY, HERE IS A VIEW FROM SECOND STREET. SO PARCEL C CONSISTS OF 31,472FT■!S AND 73 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE PARKING GARAGE IS UNDERGROUND AND NOT SEEN FROM THE PUBLIC STREETS. THE PROPOSED BUILDING USES THE SAME MATERIALS AS PARCEL A AND B, AND JUST TO NOTE, AS THERE IS A GRADE DIFFERENCE FROM HAWTHORNE ALLEY TO FOUNDERS ALLEY AVENUE, THE BUILDING REQUIRES BRICK FOUNDATION WALLS IN THE SUB AREA. THE APPLICANT HAS BROKEN UP THE BRICK FOUNDATION WALLS BY INCORPORATING ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, BRICK AND WINDOW FEATURES, AND SMALL OPENINGS IN THE PARKING GARAGE. HERE ARE ELEVATIONS OF SUB PARCEL C, SHOWING THE ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING WITH A RAMP AND

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THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE SAME LANDSCAPING STANDARDS FOR SUB AREA A, B AND C AND THOSE ARE BEING MET. THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT REVIEWED THE PLANS AND PROVIDED CONDITIONS THAT CAN BE FOUND WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT. AS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THE CITY WILL BE CONSTRUCTING AND FUNDING THE STREET NETWORK WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. THEREFORE, THESE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE LANDSCAPING AND SIDEWALKS AND SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE ARB. THE APPLICANT HAS BROKEN PARKING UP FOR EACH OF THE THREE SUB PARCELS. SUB PARCEL A REQUIRES 29 SPACES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 33. SUB PARCEL B REQUIRES 21 SPACES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 28 SPACES. SUB PARCEL C REQUIRES 76 SPACES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 76 SPACES. THE TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING IS 126 SPACES, AND WITH THE EXTRA ON STREET PARKING, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 176 SPACES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THREE WAIVERS FOR SUB PARCEL A, INCLUDING ALLOWING 2.8FT STREET YARD SETBACK, AS SHOWN BY LETTER A, A 2.5FT STREET YARD SETBACK IS SHOWN BY LETTER B AND A REAR YARD SETBACK OF 2.6FT, AS SHOWN BY LETTER C REGARDING WAIVER A AND B, THE APPLICANT SEEKS WAIVERS TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED STREET YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO APPROXIMATELY 2.8FT ON HIGH STREET AND 2.5FT ON FOUNDERS AVENUE. THESE WAIVERS ARE NEEDED DUE TO THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS, INCLUDING RIGHT OF WAY ADJUSTMENTS AND THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED NATURE OF THE SITE. THE REDUCED SETBACKS ARE IN LINE WITH URBAN DEVELOPMENT GOALS, AND THE DESIGN PROVIDES CONTINUITY AND MAINTAINS PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. REGARDING WAIVER C, A WAIVER IS REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM 15FT TO APPROXIMATELY 2.6FT ALONG CHERRY ALLEY. THE SMALLER SETBACK ALIGNS WITH THE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DESIGN AND HIDES OFF STREET PARKING FROM PUBLIC VIEW. THE REDUCED SETBACK IS NECESSARY DUE TO THE SITE'S UNIQUE CONSTRAINTS, INCLUDING ITS LOCATION BETWEEN TWO PUBLIC STREETS AND AN ALLEY, AND SUPPORTS THE DESIRED URBAN FORM WITHOUT COMPROMISING PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY. IN SUMMARY, THE DEVELOPMENT ACHIEVED SEVERAL STRATEGIC PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING PROMOTING PROMOTING MIXED USE AND RETAIL INFILL DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE CONTINUOUS AND ACTIVATED STREET FRONTAGES THROUGH VILLAGE CENTER, AND INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING AND WORKING IN THE VILLAGE CENTER THROUGH NEW RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE DESIGNS OF THE BUILDING ARE HIGH QUALITY AND BLEND WITH THE EXISTING AREA, AND THE DEVELOPMENT INTEGRATES A MIX OF USES INCLUDING RETAIL, TOWNHOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING TO CREATE A DYNAMIC URBAN ENVIRONMENT. IT ALSO MEETS PARKING STANDARDS. I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH. GREAT. LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE BOARD.

GOOD EVENING. AARON UNDERHILL, ATTORNEY WITH UNDERHILL AND HODGE HERE IN NEW ALBANY. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION AND LET THE OTHER EXPERTS HERE WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN. THIS HAS BEEN THIS PLAN, AND THE ARCHITECTURE IS A RESULT OF SEVERAL YEARS OF WORK AND HAS BEEN INFLUENCED BY A NUMBER OF THINGS. MAIN ONE BEING THE GRIDDED STREET NETWORK AND THE CITY'S PLANS FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. AS SIERRA MENTIONED, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO. IN FACT, WE JUST SIGNED THIS EVENING THAT DEDICATES A LOT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY FOR SORT OF A MORE UNIVERSAL IMPROVEMENT. AND THAT THAT WHEN WITH THE BIT OF GREEN SPACE HERE THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE, ABOUT 40% OF THE SITE IS BEING GIVEN TO THE CITY FOR ITS USE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. YOU KNOW, INFILL PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE LIKE PUTTING TOGETHER A RATHER COMPLEX PUZZLE. SO THIS IS A RESULT OF, YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL ISSUES THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT. THE ARCHITECTURE AND ITS INFLUENCE FROM ITS SURROUNDINGS, AND OF COURSE, THE URBAN CENTER CODE AND WHAT IT CALLS FOR. SO IT'S A IT'S BEEN A GREAT JOB BY THIS TEAM. I THINK PUTTING TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE A CATALYST, I THINK, FOR MORE TO COME. AND I KNOW GENERALLY IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED BY THIS BOARD PREVIOUSLY, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE SO WE CAN GET STARTED ON GOING VERTICAL. SO KAREEM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU UP TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL RIGHT THERE. YEAH THAT'D BE GREAT. WHILE SHE DOES

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SINCE THEN WE SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME PRIMARILY WORKING WITH STAFF ON STAFF'S CONSULTANTS AND AS WELL AS ENGINEERING THE SITE, DESIGNING THE SITE, SURVEYING TO BRING TO YOU FOLKS TODAY A PROJECT THAT CAN BE BUILT SO WITH WITH THE BOARD'S HOPEFUL SUPPORT AND APPROVAL, THIS PROJECT CAN CAN GROUNDBREAKING AS SOON AS THIS YEAR, EVEN AS SOON AS Q3 OF THIS YEAR. SO ONE CLICKER BY CHANCE UP HERE. SORRY. THANK YOU. SORRY. THERE YOU GO. SO TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON OUR OUR INCREDIBLE TEAM THAT HAVE REALLY HELPED US GET TO THIS KEY POINT WITH ME TODAY I HAVE THE CEO, DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND PROJECT LEAD FROM ARCHDALE THAT IS OUR DESIGNER AND ARCHITECT OF RECORD ON THE SITE. RESPECTFULLY, THAT'S BRAD PARRISH, JONATHAN GRUBB, AND CLAIRE BASKETT WITH ME AS WELL. AMANDA, WHO REALLY DOESN'T NEED AN INTRODUCTION AROUND HERE. AARON UNDERHILL DONE A WONDERFUL JOB HELPING US MANEUVER THE APPROVALS AND ENTITLEMENT PATH HERE. EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AS OUR OUR GC PARTNERS RECENTLY AND COURT ENGINEERING. I'D LIKE TO YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO BE UP HERE AND SAY WE'VE REALLY PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT'S DONE INCREDIBLE WORK IN NEW ALBANY AND CONTINUES TO DO SO SILLY IN COURT. BOTH ARE WORKING ON THE FIELD HOUSE PROJECT IN NEW ALBANY. NOTABLY, ARCHER WAS THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD FOR THE MARKETING MAIN APARTMENTS AND TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE OWNERSHIP GROUP, MYSELF AND MY PARTNERS, WE MAKE UP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. WE'VE OWNED THE SITE SINCE 2016. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF NEW ALBANY SINCE 2006, AND MY FAMILY SINCE 1999. ACTUALLY THOSE FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY IS VERY PHILANTHROPIC AND IS INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF CAUSES HERE THAT PROMOTES HEALTH, WELLNESS, THE ARTS AND SCIENCES AND THE LIKE. AND WE CERTAINLY LOOK TO CARRY THOSE THEMES THROUGHOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT. AND THE KEY POINT OF MENTIONING ALL THAT IS, UNFORTUNATELY, THE TREND IN MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE NOWADAYS IS TO BUILD CHEAP AND SELL QUICK. THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL HERE. WE HAVE NO ASPIRATIONS OF SELLING THE SITE REALLY FOR DECADES. AT ANY POINT. IT'S BEING DESIGNED AND BUILT FOR THE LONG TERM. AND I THINK EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY IS WE'RE ACCESSIBLE. WE'VE BEEN NEIGHBORS AND WE HOPE TO BE NEIGHBORS WITH EVEN MORE FOLKS AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT. SO THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION, MANAGEMENT WILL BE AROUND. SO AGAIN, I WON'T BELABOR TOO MANY POINTS TONIGHT, BUT TO KEEP IT REALLY HIGH LEVEL AGAIN, WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 104 MARKET RATE UNITS ACROSS THE SITE. THAT'S BETWEEN STUDIOS ONE AND TWO, BEDROOMS AND TOWNHOMES. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IN TERMS OF CONTEXT OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THIS SITE AS THE HEART OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AND CERTAINLY WORKED WITH WITH STAFF ACCORDINGLY. YOU KNOW, TAKING SOME REALLY IMPORTANT DESIGN CUES HERE. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROJECT, THE GOAL WAS TO NOT TO PROPOSE ANYTHING THAT THAT REALLY TAKES PRECEDENCE. WE WANTED TO PROPOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT TAKE DESIGN CUES FROM WHAT'S BEEN DONE SUCCESSFULLY ALREADY. KEY NOTABLE PROJECTS INCLUDE THE AVALON ACROSS THE STREET, FOR INSTANCE. CERTAINLY, MARKETING MAIN WAS AN INSPIRATION AND A REFERENCE POINT, AS WELL AS THE VARIOUS DESIGNS THROUGHOUT MARKET STREET ITSELF. AND I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE A KEY POINT THAT AARON ACTUALLY MENTIONED, WHICH WAS THE SITE REALLY AND I THINK UNILATERALLY WITH STAFF, WE AGREED, WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE CATALYST FOR GROWTH IN THIS AREA. YOU KNOW, YOU SEE A LOT OF

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SO YOU'LL NOTICE SOME STEPS, YOU'LL NOTICE SOME RAMPS, YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN. BUT SO IS THE EXISTING SITE CONDITION THAT WE TRIED REALLY OUR BEST TO DESIGN AROUND. SO AGAIN, YEAH. SO THE DATE, THE DATE ON THIS IS INCORRECT. WE CAME WITH THIS DESIGN IN IN MAY OF 23. AGAIN, ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE STRAIGHT AWAY IS IT WAS DESIGNED REALLY ON A FLAT, A FLAT PLANE AFTER INTENSE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S CERTAINLY BEEN A CATALYST FOR HOW THE DESIGN HAS CHANGED. BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE GENERAL MASSING AND SCALE GENERALLY THE SAME FROM WHEN WE WERE LAST HERE. THIS ITERATION WAS A FORMAL SUBMISSION TO STAFF AND THE CITY ARCHITECT AND THE CITY'S DESIGN CONSULTANTS, MXQ AND EP FARRIS, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE SHOW THIS IS, IS JUST TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ELABORATE ON SEQUENCE. YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE SEEING HERE TODAY HAS BEEN REVIEWED NUMEROUS TIMES BY THE CITY ARCHITECT, BY THE CITY'S PLANNING CONSULTANT, MXQ. AND WE'D LIKE TO BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, FOLKS. WE'VE REALLY SATISFIED ALL THEIR COMMENTS. WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY. YOU KNOW, HERE IS AN EXHIBIT, AN EXAMPLE OF DAVID BULLOCK'S, HIS SKETCHES OVER OUR TOWNHOMES. YOU KNOW, HE HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT REMOVING BAY WINDOWS AND ACCENTUATING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY IS REALLY A CULMINATION OF OUR INTENSE WORK WITH STAFF AND THEIR CONSULTANTS AND OUR DESIGN TEAM'S EXCELLENT JOB TO REALLY BRING THIS TO LIFE. SO SIMILAR, SIMILARLY TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED. AGAIN, I WON'T BELABOR THE SORT OF POINTS ON ON THE TYPE OF BUILDINGS, BUT I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE OVERALL OBJECTIVES HERE, WHICH WAS REALLY INFLUENCED BY BY NEW URBANISM PHILOSOPHY, WHICH IS TO PROMOTE WALKABILITY, TO PROMOTE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, THE RESIDENT EXPERIENCE AS WELL. WE HAVE THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, VERY UNIQUE BUILDINGS THAT THAT SERVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ASPECTS. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALMOST THREE COMPLETELY DEVELOPMENTS. AND SO OUR DESIGN

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WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH SORT OF SECTION A LITTLE BIT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THIS WAS A KEY ELEVATION IN WHICH ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES WAS REALLY TO MEET HIGH STREET, WHERE IT IS WITH THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER SCALE OF BUILDINGS. SO EARLY ON WITH OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT BALANCE, BALANCE OF THE SITE, AND REALLY WITH OUR ATTEMPTS AT RECESSING. THE THIRD STORY ON ON HIGH STREET, REALLY MAKING THAT FEEL MORE OF A SORT OF A TWO STORY, TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDING AND MEETING HIGH STREET WHERE IT IS. AND AS WE GET FURTHER, DEEPER AWAY FROM HIGH STREET INTO THE SITE, FOUND IT MORE APPROPRIATE TO GET THAT THAT LEVEL OF SCALE IN THERE. SO ONE REALLY MY FAVORITE PICTURES AND RENDERINGS OF THE SITE AGAIN ARE CHARLES DID A PHENOMENAL JOB AT THIS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SOME KEY THINGS I'VE POINTED OUT. YOU KNOW, THE WONDERFUL STOREFRONT.

THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL OVER THE RETAIL A TRUE MIXED USE BUILDING. ONE THING YOU'LL MAY NOT NOTICE ACTUALLY FROM, FROM THIS ANGLE IS THE RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WE'RE GIVING IT A PATIO, AN OUTDOOR SPACE THERE. RIGHT. RIGHT AT THE CORNER CLOSEST TO US. WE ARE PROPOSING A GARAGE DOORS. WE HAVE A FEW RETAIL INTEREST RETAIL TENANTS THAT ARE INTERESTED. WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SHARE THOSE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT WE FOUND THAT ATTRACTING SOME OF THE BEST RETAIL USERS DID REQUIRE HAVING MORE OF A INDOOR OUTDOOR NIGHT DYNAMIC. WE'RE CERTAINLY SEEING THAT MORE THROUGHOUT COLUMBUS AND EVEN HERE IN NEW ALBANY WITH WITH BREWDOG. AGAIN, TRUE, TRUE RETAIL STOREFRONT PRESENCE WITH WITH REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVATION, ACTIVATION ABOVE IT FOR THE RETAIL. SO I KNOW CIERRA TOUCHED ON PARKING AND WE CERTAINLY WILL AS WELL. BUT THE WAY WE'VE STRUCTURED THIS SITE AND THE WAY IT ACTIVATES, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A SHARED SORT OF PARKING LOT TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE SITE, AND HOW THAT LOOKS LIKE IS TOWARDS CERTAIN HOURS OF THE DAY. THE PARKING SPACES WILL BE DESIGNATED TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL USERS AND AT CERTAIN HOURS INTO THE EVENING, BE DEDICATED TOWARDS THE RESIDENTS.

WE FOUND A NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF ANECDOTES THROUGHOUT THE SHORT NORTH WHERE WHERE THAT'S BEEN DONE SUCCESSFULLY. I THINK A GOOD CASE STUDY IS ANY OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN TO LOX BAGEL SHOP IN THE SHORT NORTH, THIS IS WHERE THE SIGNAGE IS FROM AND FROM WHAT WE'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT TENDS TO WORK TO WORK WELL, BUT A KEY PART TO THAT IS HONING IN ON THE RIGHT TENANT MIX. HAVING THE RIGHT RETAIL USERS THAT CAN COMPLEMENT THAT, THAT SORT OF PARKING DYNAMIC. SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR ENDEAVORS. AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THESE RENDERINGS BEFORE, BUT REALLY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE SO MANY FRONTAGES TO DEAL WITH AND REALLY HAVE TRIED TO ACTIVATE ALL THOSE FRONTAGES, CREATE REALLY AN ENGAGING, WALKABLE FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE THROUGHOUT EACH BUILDING. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE TOWNHOMES AS WELL, SORT OF THE SLOPE AND THE GRADING CONDITION WE HAD TO DEAL WITH. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE DESIGNED THESE AND CONSTRUCTED THESE ALL ON ONE SLAB. GIVEN THE GRADING CHALLENGES. YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE TO STAGGER THAT, THAT BUILDING LINE. ONE THING WE WANT TO TOUCH ON IS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED IN THE RENDERINGS, IS ROOFTOP TERRACES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TOWNHOMES. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE TOWNHOMES, GIVEN HOW TIGHT THEY WERE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OUTDOOR ACTIVATION AS SOME OF THE TOWNHOMES WE SEE EXISTING THROUGHOUT NEW ALBANY.

ONE WAY WE WE'RE OFFERING TO DO THAT IS THROUGH A ROOFTOP TERRACE, A CAREFULLY CONCEALED ROOFTOP TERRACE. SO WHEN IDEATING THIS, WE EXPLORE DIFFERENT SIGHTLINES AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW THE VIEWS OF THESE PRIVATE TERRACES COULDN'T BE SEEN FROM FROM PUBLIC RIGHT

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YES. MR. MALICE. YES. MISS MOORE? YES, MR. EATON? YES. MR. DARBY. YES, MR. BROWN YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR TO GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE AT 28 NORTH HIGH STREET. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU HAVE APPROACH THIS THEN? I THINK WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS TO DISCUSS THE WELL, THE HYBRID COURTYARD TOPOLOGY AND THE TUCK UNDER TOWNHOME TOPOLOGIES SERIALLY. SO THE FIRST WOULD BE THE HYBRID COURTYARD TOPOLOGY WHICH WOULD, WHICH WE COULD DISCUSS AND MOVE ON THAT AND THEN MOVE ON THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. SO I MOVING TO THE FIRST TOPOLOGY. AND I'M GOING TO DIRECT MOST OF MY QUESTIONS TO STAFF HERE. SO THE HYBRID COURTYARD TOPOLOGY IS FOR A BUILDING. IT ONLY APPLIES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT CORRECT. CORRECT. AND IT IS FOR A BUILDING THAT OTHERWISE IS IN CORE RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. CAN WHAT ARE THE HEIGHTS FOR THE BUILDING TYPES ALLOWED IN CORE RESIDENTIAL. I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE 45. YES 45FT. OKAY. SO I MEAN I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHY WOULD WE ALLOW A 55 FOOT. TOPOLOGY IN A IN A ZONE.

OTHERWISE IT'S ALL 45. YEAH, I FEEL LIKE STAFF IS FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE THEY ARE PROPOSING 41FT AND 46FT. BUT THIS IS 46, RIGHT. THE BUILDING, THIS ONE BUILDING THAT APPLIES TO 46. THIS ONE IS 46. HOWEVER THIS IS BY THE VILLAGE CORE. SO THE EAST. YEAH THE WEST SOUTH

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AND FINALLY, THE BUFFERING AND SCREENING PER SECTION 11,105 C SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED. THAT TEN DOESN'T 11 7105 C TEND TO READ ON COMMERCIAL BEING BUILT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S TRUE. AND THE EXEMPTION IS ACTUALLY A STANDARD CODE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE URBAN CENTER CODE. SO THEY'RE JUST COPYING PASTING THAT THAT HAPPENS TO BE THERE EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. FAIR. I GUESS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THESE TWO REQUESTS. WHAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IF THESE REQUESTS WERE NOT APPROVED BY THE BOARD? WHAT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL IMPACT TO THE DESIGN? JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON? YES, I THINK FIRST IT'S HEIGHT AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES BASED ON THE THRESHOLD HEIGHT. I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS JUST THE GENERAL MASSING OF SUBAREA C, SINCE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A ESSENTIALLY A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING THAT HAS THE UNDERGROUND PARKING OR PARTIALLY UNDERGROUND PARKING. I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, STRICTLY ADHERING IT TO ONE OF THE PRE-NAMED OR PRE, I GUESS, APPROVED BUILDING TYPOLOGIES WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE DESIGN OF THAT BUILDING AS WELL, MEANING THAT THE PARKING WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED OR THAT THE HEIGHT WOULD BE A RESTRICTION.

STILL, ONLY I THINK THE HEIGHT WOULD BE A RESTRICTION STILL, AND I THINK JUST THE GENERAL MASSING OF THE BUILDING WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE CHANGED. I GUESS IT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR I GUESS, ALL THREE SUB AREAS. YOU MENTIONED THAT THESE WERE GOING TO BE MARKET RATE HOUSING. SO IS THIS ALL FOR LEASE OR WILL THIS BE A COMBINATION OF FOR LEASE AND FOR SALE? AS OF RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING ALL FOR LEASE OKAY. THANK YOU. I GUESS I HAVE SOME MASSING QUESTIONS, BUT FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, SHOULD WE HOLD ON THOSE? WHY DON'T WE? AND MAYBE

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LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING ABOUT 12FT CLOSE TO 12FT, FLOOR TO FLOOR FROM 1 TO 2. AND THEN FROM 2 TO 3. IT LOOKS LIKE SLIGHTLY LESS. AND THEN THERE'S SOME VARIATION, I GUESS, FLOOR TO FLOOR. BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING FOR YOUR FINISHED CEILING HEIGHTS BASED ON THIS DESIGN? I MIGHT HAVE TO DEFER TO JOHN HERE TO BE BETTER ON THAT. THANK YOU. JONATHAN GRUBB, DESIGN DIRECTOR AND ARCHITECT, PARTIAL ARCHITECTS, 49 EAST THIRD, COLUMBUS, OHIO. SO AS FAR AS C BUILDING C, WE ARE PROPOSING TEN FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR WITH. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE ELEVATIONS IS ACCOUNTING FOR THE FLOOR TRUSS DEPTH. RIGHT. SO YOU SAY TEN FEET FLOOR TO FLOOR. YOU MEAN TEN FOOT CLEAR CLEAR CLEAR. YEAH. FINISHED HEIGHT OF THE CEILINGS OKAY. AND IS THAT TRUE FOR LEVELS. WHAT I'M CALLING LEVELS ONE, TWO AND THREE ABOVE. ABOVE THE PARKING LEVEL. YES.

OKAY. AND DOES SUBSECTION OR SUB PARCEL C THERE'S NO ROOF CAR, NO OCCUPIED ROOF BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR THAT. CORRECT. AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR CLEAR HEIGHT AT THE GARAGE LEVEL PROPOSED. IT LOOKS LIKE AGAIN I'M SEEING 11FT FLOOR TO FLOOR. BUT WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR STRUCTURAL DESIGN. SO WE ARE STILL IN THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OF THAT. BUT WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR AMPLE STRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND MY QUESTIONS IS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THIS WHOLE STACK IS, IS MEETING THE MINIMUMS OR IF THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, LATITUDE THERE IN THE HEIGHTS. I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO ARGUE WITH A HARD IT'S HARD TO ARGUE AGAINST A TEN FOOT CEILING HEIGHT. I CERTAINLY WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE YOUR YOUR STARTING POINT. BUT YOU DID MENTION, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT SOME OF THESE ARE ARE GOING TO BE SMALLER UNITS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SOME EFFICIENCIES IN ONE BEDROOMS. WHAT'S THE MIX AGAIN FOR? FOR SURPASSING. SO THEY WILL BE A VARIETY OF STUDIOS. ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. REALLY. OUR STUDIOS WILL BY ALL MEANS ACT AS AS ONE BEDROOMS, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR OWN WALLS AND CLOSETS. I BELIEVE OUR SMALLEST UNIT DOESN'T GO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT 580FT■!S, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, JUST FOLLOWING A PROCESS HERE, TRY TO PICK APART ALL OF THE REQUESTS. I WOULD I WOULD AT LEAST RAISE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NECESSITY AND APPROPRIATENESS OF TEN FEET CLEAR HEIGHT, 12 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR, SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 12 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR FOR SOME OF THE UPPER UNITS, WHICH THIS IS A BIT OF A PREVIEW OF SOME OF MY REMARKS ABOUT MASSING, SO WE'LL GET THERE IN A MOMENT. YOU KNOW,

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CORRECT. SO YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING THAT IN THE PART OF IT THAT IS CORE RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S NOTHING OVER 45 ALLOWED. AND YET WE'VE GOT A WE'VE GOT A PROPOSED MAX HERE OF 55. AGAIN, I'D PROPOSED I'D PROPOSE THAT THIS BE CHANGED TO 45 BECAUSE IT WOULD MORE THAN ACCOMMODATE THIS STRUCTURE. I WOULDN'T AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE ANYTHING TO CHANGE. SAME THING, MY SAME COMMENT ON THE ON THE VEHICULAR ACCESS SHOULD BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. I WOULD REMOVE PREFERABLY AND JUST SAY IT'S ON THE ALLEY, PERIOD. BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOPOLOGY AND THAT THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS UP TWO PLACES IN PARKING STANDARDS AND LOT LOT. AND PARK AND LOT ACCESS STANDARDS. AND I THINK I'VE THEN RESOLVED MY OTHER QUESTION. SO I HAD I HAD LESS ISSUES HERE SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEN I WANTED TO GO INTO, I THINK STAFF WAS SOMEWHERE REFERENCED THAT THERE WERE OTHER EXISTING TOPOLOGIES THAT ALLOWED TUCKED UNDER THAT WERE AND SO I WANTED TO SEE THOSE. I WANTED YOU TO KIND OF JUST REVIEW THOSE TOPOLOGIES WITH US SO WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THE AT OTHER EXAMPLES HERE. AND UNDERSTAND THEM. I'M NOT SURE IF I STATED ABOUT OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT TUCK UNDER IT WAS IN THE REPORT. NOT NOT THAT YOU SAID YES. SO TUCK COVERED PARKING STANDARDS ARE OUR STANDARDS FOR THAT. HOWEVER, THERE WEREN'T STANDARDS FOR THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TOWNHOMES. OKAY, SO THAT WAS A DISCREPANCY.

BUT THERE ARE PARKING STANDARDS FOR TUCK UNDER PARKING. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE GOT IS ON THE ON THE OTHER STANDARDS FOR TUCK UNDER FOR TUCK UNDER DO THE DO THE EXISTING SLASH URBAN CENTER CODE TOPOLOGIES REQUIRE GARAGE DOORS ON THE TUCK UNDER PARKING LOT. I DON'T BELIEVE SO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. WOULDN'T THAT BE KIND OF A FEATURE OF TUCK UNDER? IS NOT HAVING A.

YEAH. SO THE YEAH IS THE ABSENCE OF A DOOR. I MEAN THEY AREN'T BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A GARAGE. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT GARAGES PER SE. BUT TUCK UNDER PARKING SPACES AND I ASSUME THEY'RE UNDER LIKE A BACK DECK. NO IT'S THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS ARE CANTILEVERED OVER THE PARKING AREA. BUT BUT RIGHT. BUT WE DON'T WE HAVE NO WE HAVE NO EXISTING EXAMPLES. NOT IN GARAGE DOOR LESS TUCK UNDER. YEAH. NOT NOT. AND SO THAT PART THAT IN PART IS AT LEAST SOME OF MY CONCERN WHICH IS, IS, IS A GARAGE DOOR LESS TUCK UNDER. IS THAT NEW ALBANY AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE VISIBLE REGARDLESS. IT'S BASICALLY A CARPORT. I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE FACT THERE'S A STRUCTURE OVER IT. AND SO I WAS SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IN THIS CASE, OF COURSE, THERE'S AN ATTEMPT TO HIDE IT. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, THESE DRAWINGS, THERE'S REALLY NEVER, NEVER A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF IT OTHER THAN THE FACT IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSELY, BUT IT'S THERE. AND SO YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS BUILDING AND THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IN ONE OF THE TOWNHOMES ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, ON ANY FLOOR THAT HAS A WINDOW OUT THE BACK, YOU'RE LOOKING OUT AND YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN AT CARS. YEAH. I AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I MEAN IT'S THE REMARK WAS MADE ABOUT FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE, WHICH I APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU BRING UP A VERY GOOD POINT, MR. HAYDEN, IS IF IT'S IF IT'S HIDDEN BUT STILL VISIBLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF THE FIFTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I MEAN, IT'S ULTIMATELY VISIBLE.

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RIGHT. THERE'S SEVEN FEET HEIGHT INCREASES. SO YEAH, WE HAVE EXPOSED, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATION WALLS BECAUSE WE PREFER TO HAVE STEPS UP TO TOWNHOMES. THAT'S A MORE TRADITIONAL WAY OF DOING TOWNHOMES, A SENSE OF PRIVACY, A SENSE OF ARRIVAL. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ON B. LIKEWISE WE'LL SEE. WE'RE ENTERING OFF THE BACKSIDE ALONG ALONG THE SOUTH. THAT IS ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST POINT. BUT IT'S ALSO THE BACK. THAT'S THE SERVICE ENTRANCE SIDE. SO OUR FRONT DOOR IS ACTUALLY AT THE LOWEST POINT OF THE SITE. SO OUR BUILDING SITS MUCH HIGHER. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ELEVATION IT'S GOING BACK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT 3737, 638 AT THIS, AT THAT, AT THAT. YEAH, RIGHT. BUT IN ANY EVENT WE DON'T NEED 55FT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT SLIGHTLY MORE THAN 45 OKAY. SO BUT THAT THAT'S THAT'S POINT ONE. BUT POINT THE BIGGER POINT. AND I GUESS BEFORE I APPROVE A TOPOLOGY THAT ALLOWS THIS GARAGE LESS CARPORT LIKE PARKING. THE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD IS THIS NEW ALBANY? I MEAN, I MEAN, THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY ONCE WE HAVE THIS PRECEDENT, WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE A COURTYARD. I MEAN, AND SO THEN WE HAVE IT ON AN ALLEY, AND YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ALLEY AND YOU'RE SEEING THESE, THIS VACANT WALL, YOU KNOW, GOING RIGHT IN. AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN NEW ALBANY, OR ARE WE HAPPY WITH IT IN THIS COURTYARD? BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE IT. AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT IT'S THAT'S THE FOURTH SIDE. IT'S PART OF THE FOURTH SIDE. COULD SOMEONE KEEP THEIR BIKES IN THERE. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S A DIFFERENT YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S SO I GUESS I, I'D BE INTERESTED IN ANYBODY ELSE'S REACTION IN TERMS OF IS THIS IS THIS IS THIS NEW ALBANY. AND YOU KNOW, IF I GO BACK TO BASIC PRINCIPLES OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, GOING BACK TO SECTION ONE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE CORE PRINCIPLES, FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. EVERY ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF DESIGN, MATERIALS, PATTERNS AND PATTERNS OF WINDOWS AND DOORS AND DETAILS. IT SAYS EVERY ELEVATION. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY FOR ALTHOUGH WE USE THE TERM FOR, EVERY ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE CAREFULLY DESIGNED, BLAH BLAH

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WELL, THERE'S I DON'T KNOW, THIS THIS IS AN ALLEY, RIGHT? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IS GOING TO BE THIS THIS THIS IS AN ALLEY. YES. BUT I WOULD SUBMIT IF YOU READ THIS, THIS IS AN ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. WELL, IT ABSOLUTELY IS. ABSOLUTELY. AND IF YOU READ THE CORE, I MEAN, EVERY ELEVATION SHOULD MEET IT. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE GET TO THE BUILDING, I'VE GOT SOME ISSUES WITH WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THERE. SO BUT MAYBE, MAYBE AS A SEGUE TO LOOK TO EVALUATE THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FURTHER DEBATE ON THIS, BUT I, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE THOSE ELEVATIONS OF THE INTERIOR COURTYARD. I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S A IT'S AN IMPORTANT FEATURE, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THAT THERE'S A TYPOLOGY BEING ASKED TO BE CONSIDERED HERE. WE WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GOING TO APPEAR ON THE INSIDE OF THAT PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S STACKED WITH VEHICLES. AND THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION OUTSIDE MY PAY GRADE. BUT HAVE YOU DONE A I'M JUST LOOKING I'M REFERENCING B1 IN MY QUESTION, WHICH IS THE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE PARKING LAYOUT. THAT DRIVE AISLE SEEMS NARROW. HAVE YOU GUYS DONE THE AUTO TURN ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE IT ALL SQUARES? AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE I'M WONDERING HOW VEHICLES WILL COMFORTABLY ENTER AND EXIT THAT COURTYARD SO THAT THAT PARKING AREA FOLLOWS WHAT A NORMAL PARKING GARAGE WOULD FOLLOW WITH SPECIFIC DRIVE AISLES AND PARKING. PART OF THE REASON FROM A GARAGE STANDPOINT, WHICH KAREEM MENTIONED, WAS MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WITH 14 TOWNHOMES. AND IT WAS CRITICAL THAT WE HAD TWO SPACES PER UNIT. SO THAT'S WHERE THE TUCKED IN PARKING COMES IN. IF WE DO GARAGES, WE LOSE SPACE.

YEP. THAT'S RIGHT. TWO FROM A SITE CONSTRAINT. GIVEN THE NARROWNESS OF THE SITE, GIVEN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS DEDICATED, IF YOU WERE TO DO GARAGES TO YOUR POINT, YOU USUALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 3 TO 4FT OF EXTRA SPACE AND THEN THE DRIVE AISLE. YEAH. SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THIS URBAN. CONNECTED CORE. AS FAR AS ELEVATIONS GO, PAGE B6, THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL ARB SUBMISSION. DO YOU HAVE THOSE INTERIOR COURTYARDS? YEAH, THAT'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON THE STRUCTURAL PIECE OF THIS. YOU'VE GOT THOSE WOOD CLAD POSTS THAT BASICALLY ARE SUPPORTING THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS. YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THERE WITH CARS ZIPPING IN AND OUT AT A TIGHT TURN RADIUS. HOW ARE THOSE REALLY GOING TO TRULY BE ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED? I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING THAT. YEAH. SO AGAIN, IT'S STILL CLADDING THEM AS IT IS STEEL. AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO A TYPICAL PARKING STRUCTURE GARAGE WHERE YOU HAVE STRUCTURE IN EVERY THREE BAYS. THOSE COLUMNS WILL BE INSET COUPLE FEET TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE TURNING RADIUS TO GO INTO THE PARKING SPACE. AS YOU'LL SEE. OUR TOWNHOMES WIDTHS MATCH THAT 27 FOOT DIMENSION. SO STRUCTURALLY EVERYTHING IS ALIGNING. EVERYTHING BAYS OKAY.

SO I GUESS MAYBE WE CAN I THINK WE'VE NOW DISCUSSED THE TOPOLOGIES, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE TO HOLD UNTIL WE NOW KNOW MORE. IS THAT FAIR, MR. HANSON? MR. ALEX, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE TOPOLOGIES? POSSIBLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF. HOW OFTEN ARE NEW TOPOLOGIES PROPOSED? IS THIS A COMMON ASK, OR IS THIS LIKE VERY MONUMENTAL ASK? I GUESS A LITTLE HISTORY ON THAT.

YEAH, I'D SAY IT'S FAIRLY COMMON. SO IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE CONTEMPLATES THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T THINK OF EVERY BUILDING TYPOLOGY. SO THAT'S WHY IT DOES INCLUDE A PROCESS FOR ALLOWING DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES. AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHY IT SAYS IT'S SITE SPECIFIC. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU APPROVE SOMETHING HERE, EVEN IF IT'S THE TUCK UNDER I DON'T THINK MEANS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT FOR OTHER SITES. WHEN REVIEWING THE TUCK UNDER PARKING TWO. YOU KNOW, WHEN STAFF EVALUATED WE SAW THAT IT YOU KNOW, IT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE TODAY. SO THERE ARE OTHER SITES, YOU KNOW SO IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS TYPE. OR I SHOULD MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT IS THAT THE APPLICANT TOOK A PERMITTED TUCK UNDER DESIGN THAT'S PERMITTED IN OTHER AREAS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND THEY'VE JUST APPLIED IT HERE. SO THERE ARE OTHER SITES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS COULD DO THIS TYPE OF TUCK UNDER PARKING BY RIGHT, WHETHER THEY GET APPROVED FOR A KOA IS ANOTHER QUESTION. YEAH. I GUESS IF IT'S MEETING THE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE MINIMUM STANDARDS, WHICH ISN'T MUCH IN

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MR. EATON STATED HE SHARED THE REACTION IN TERMS OF THIS LOOKS GOOD FOR NEW ALBANY. AND I THINK THAT OVERALL, THIS STILL IS. YOU LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WINDOW DETAIL AND THAT HE LIKED DIVIDED LIGHT OR SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT AND WORRYING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE SAW IN THIS PLAN. YOU LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS DETAIL, MR. MALITZ ADDED. HE ECHOED MR. EATON'S COMMENTS ABOUT SOME PARTIAL C. HE STATED HE HAD TWO GENERAL STATEMENTS ABOUT A AND C HE WOULD ENCOURAGE A STRONGER GATEWAY BETWEEN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDING FORMS AND MAYBE MIGHT NOT MAKE THEM AS DISTINCT FROM EACH OTHER, HE EXPLAINED. HE SAW SUBTLE MOVES TO BREAK WITH THE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE OF NEW ALBANY AND NEW ALBANY, AND COMPARING A TO THE 68 UNIT STRUCTURE OF SUB PARCEL C WITH THE OVERALL MASSING, FENESTRATION, MATERIALITY AND CONSISTENCY, THERE WAS ROOM FOR DIVERSIFICATION. BE HATED TO SEE THE DESIGN RUN TOO FAR DOWN THAT PATH. HE STATED THAT CONSISTENCY DOES NOT NEED TO EXACTLY TRACK FROM A TO C, AND NOTED THAT SOME WOULD SAY MARKET MAINE APARTMENTS ARE AN EXAMPLE OF CONSISTENCY. GONE TOO FAR, BUT PERHAPS THERE WAS TOO MUCH MOVEMENT HERE. SO AGAIN, JUST REMINDING US OF WHAT WE SAID AT THE TIME. AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I REMEMBERED OR NOT REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES WAS HOW BIG C WAS. AND WHEN I COME NOW TO WHAT I SEE HERE IS B GOT BIGGER AND SO WE GOT B BIG AND WE GOT C MAYBE EVEN BIGGER, MAYBE NOT. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS I WOULD AT LEAST RAISE WITH THE BOARD, WHICH IS ARE WE ARE IS THIS POTENTIALLY NEW ALBANY'S VERSION OF THE LANE AVENUE BUILDING THERE IN UPPER ARLINGTON NEAR NEAR NORTH STAR. BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO MASSIVE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S A THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION RHETORICALLY FOR THE BOARD. MAYBE IT ISN'T, BUT THAT'S MY THAT WAS ONE OF MY REACTIONS. AND ARE WE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR THAT KIND OF FUND. VERY GOOD POINT. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK OUR RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ZONINGS THROUGHOUT THE SITE. A KEY NARRATIVE WITH STAFF WAS, AGAIN, WHAT WE WERE CALLING SORT OF A REBALANCING. SO SOME PARCEL A ACTUALLY ON HIGH STREET ACCOMMODATES FOR THAT LEVEL OF SCALE AND HEIGHT. WE COLLECTIVELY DIDN'T FIND THAT APPROPRIATE TO, TO HAVE THAT, THAT BIGGER BUILDING FRONT HIGH STREET WHERE TRADITIONALLY TODAY THEY ARE SMALLER SCALE BUILDINGS. SO THE IDEA WAS REALLY PROGRESS THAT LET'S REBALANCE THE SITE, HAVE SOME PARCEL A BE MORE OF A RECESSED SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND PUSH THAT MASSING TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PARCEL. AND AGAIN WE THINK OF HARDSHIPS HERE. YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTE SO MUCH FOR THE CITY OBJECTIVE. AND I WON'T SAY HAVE TO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A TRUE PARTNERSHIP. WE ARE THANKFUL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

BUT WITHOUT SOME OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY, WE WOULDN'T NEED THIS LEVEL OF CRITICAL MASS TO MAKE THIS ECONOMICAL. BECAUSE REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE TAKE THE TYPOLOGIES THAT EXIST TODAY AND IMPLEMENT THEM ON WHAT'S LEFT IN THESE SMALL POCKETS, THERE'S NO ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS RIGHT OF WAY WHILE STILL HAVING ANYTHING THAT COULD BE VIABLE IN TODAY'S MARKET, SO THAT WHEN WE THINK OF HARDSHIPS, THAT'S REALLY THE DRIVER OF UTILIZING THAT SPACE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY AND HOPEFULLY NOT TO, TO FAR OFF PRECEDENTS AGAINST WE HAD BUILDINGS. THE AVALON, FOR INSTANCE, HAS THAT SIMILAR LEVEL OF SCALE AND MASSING JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM 62. SO. AGAIN, AND OUR STANDARDS, I MEAN, THE ARB STANDARDS DON'T LET US

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AND SO AS WE GET INTO AGAIN WHAT WHAT IS YOU KNOW, WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR B AND C ARE THESE ARE THESE BUILDINGS THAT FOLLOW THAT, I MEAN, ARE THEY DO THEY DO ARE THEY COMING IN AND IN LONG WHAT WHAT THE WHAT THE CORE PRINCIPLES ARE. YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE GOOD ARCHITECTURE AND MAYBE THAT'S ENOUGH. BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION ARE WE DOING WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT THE DRG SAYS, TELLS, TELLS US TO DO? OR ARE WE JUST DOING GOOD ARCHITECTURE THAT KIND OF THAT KIND OF PAYS HOMAGE TO, TO THESE FORMS? I THINK THE ANSWER IS SORT OF, YEAH. I MEAN, TRULY, THERE ARE SOME I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE SITE PLAN, THE, THE PROMOTION OF, OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, I MEAN, I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE DONE VERY WELL AND VERY THOUGHTFULLY. SO AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGH PRESENTATION. I MEAN, IT DOES THERE'S MORE HERE THAN WE CAN DIGEST IN AN EVENING, BUT IT IS VERY HELPFUL. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. MR. I IT DOES STILL SEEM AS THOUGH THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVES THAT PLAY ACROSS THREE BUILDINGS ON A WHAT'S THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE OF THE, OF THE AFFECTED AREA? 2.82.9 YEAH. SO THERE'S A LOT I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDING HAPPENING IN TWO AND A HALF, THREE ACRES. SURE. NO DOUBT. AND I THINK THAT JUST CAUSES SOME SOME CHALLENGES IN THE EVALUATION. I THINK IT'S VERY

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THERE'S NEARLY. ABOUT ALMOST FIVE FEET OF BLANK WALL SPACE ABOVE THE JACK ARCHES OF THE UPPERMOST LEVEL OF B BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ACTUAL ROOF EAVE. AND WHEN YOU DO GET TO THE ROOF EAVE, THE ACTUAL CORNICE DETAIL IS PRETTY THIN COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING, AND IT'S CAUSING ME SOME. IT'S JUST FEELS OUT OF PROPORTION TO ME AS IT RELATES TO THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 40FT OF BUILDING HEIGHT, 40FT OF BUILDING HEIGHT, WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE A EIGHT INCH SHOULDER COURSE WITH A FOUR INCH ROWLOCK AT THE TOP, ■DOESN'T FEL THAT IT'S SCALED APPROPRIATELY. AND I WOULD SAY THE SAME IS. YES, I'M REFERRING TO THIS AREA HERE, HERE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU'VE BASICALLY CREATED IS A MECHANICAL SCREENING AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE UPPER, THE UPPER AREA. SO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE INTENT, BUT BUT THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY JUMPED OUT OFF THE PAGE AT ME. MORE MINOR COMMENT WOULD BE I'D QUESTION THE USE OF WINDOWS WITH CELLS AND THEN ADJACENT WINDOWS WITHOUT. BUT I THINK THAT'S A MORE DEBATABLE DESIGN MOVE. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED OUR OUR BLESSING FOR THAT. I JUST AM QUESTIONING IT. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT AERIAL RENDERING, PLEASE. THE OTHER REMARK I WOULD MAKE IS THIS ELEMENT HERE, THIS THIS SORT OF EXPOSED PORCH. I MIGHT JUST NOT BE UNDERSTANDING IT IN THE IN THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS INTENDED, BUT IT, IT IT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT CORNER. AND WHEN YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THERE WAS SOME, I BELIEVE, SOME OPEN AIR SEATING THAT WAS BEING CONTEMPLATED AT THAT CORNER. THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S BEEN CHANGED, BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL MOVE AT THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE, WHERE RETAIL IS THE PREDOMINANT SORT OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT ALONG HIGH STREET. AND YET WE HAVE THIS APPENDAGE HERE THAT IS REALLY NOT SPEAKING TO THAT USE, AT LEAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DESIGN AS IT STANDS TODAY. SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I THINK THE AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN THE PEAK OF THE ROOF OR THE ROOF EDGE AND THE PARAPET EDGE SEEMS DISPROPORTIONATELY OUT OF SCALE TO ME JUST ACROSS THE BOARD HERE AS WELL AS HERE AND A LITTLE BIT OVER ON WHERE THIS ELEMENT REPEATS AT SUBAREA C, I HAVE THE SAME SAME REMARK THERE, AND I'LL WELCOME THE COMMENTS OF THE REST OF THE BOARD REGARDING THE INTERIOR OF. THANK YOU FOR POINTING ME TO THAT ELEVATION. REGARDING THE INTERIOR OF B, I

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UNITS. WELL I THINK YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT WHICH IS IT BETTER TO HAVE CARS PARKED ON A SURFACE LOT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THEM OR TUCKED UNDER THE BUILDING AND HIDDEN PRETTY WELL? THAT'S TO BE AT A GARAGE. WELL, TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IS OUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF SUB PARCEL BE EXTENDED THAT THAT SOUTHERN WALL AND MAYBE THERE'S A KEY FOB ENTRANCE REALLY CLOSE OFF ANY VIEW OF THAT TUCK UNDER PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DECENT SOLUTION. WE'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT. BUT IT SEEMS THAT PROVIDING HEARTBURN AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT. SO, I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A

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BUT ANYBODY WHO DRIVES THIS ALLEY, OOPS. ANYBODY WHO DRIVES THIS ALLEY IS GOING TO LOOK GOING TO SEE THE TUCK UNDER PARKING. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF CLOSING IT OFF. BUT EVEN WITHOUT EVEN WITHOUT THE OPEN LOT IN FRONT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PLANS TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE, BUT UNTIL THAT IS DEVELOPED, I THINK YOU'RE COMING DOWN 62. YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT. IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, IT WAS PAGE 14, BUT IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE. I THINK I FEEL MUCH I THINK GO BACK ONE ONE SLIDE. YEAH. SO RIGHT HERE. SO THIS WILL BE THE MAIN LOT OF PEOPLE COMING RIGHT UP RIGHT UP THIRD. YEAH. SO PEOPLE ARE COMING UP THIS STREET NOW. AND THE MAIN VIEW IS GOING TO BE THE TRASH LOADING. SO ESSENTIALLY I MEAN I THINK THERE I'M LOSING MY POINTER A LITTLE BIT. BUT. I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY NICE FACADE. HERE AND HERE WHICH BACKS UP TO TREES AND ANOTHER BUILDING. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE FOREVER AND ALWAYS, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY VISIBLE STREET FACADE. AND ESSENTIALLY ONE OF THE MAIN ONES WE SEE AS YOU'RE COMING INTO NEW ALBANY. AND I WOULD JUST RAISE THE CONCERN OF THAT REALLY FEELS LIKE IT. YES, IT'S OFF AN ALLEY, BUT IS IT REALLY, YOU KNOW? YEAH, THAT WAS SOME VISIBILITY. THAT WAS ONE OF MY PRIMARY QUESTIONS WAS THE ELEVATIONS OF BOTH B AND C ON THE ALLEY SIDE. IT'S LABELED AN ALLEY. THAT'S YOUR ACCESS POINT. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY VISIBLE FOR A LONG TIME. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO DEVELOP SOUTH OF THAT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MASONRY MASSING THERE. THERE'S FULL WINDOWS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MASONRY MASSING THERE, YOU KNOW, NO TRUE WINDOWS. AND YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF FALSE WINDOWS ON THAT. ON THAT ELEVATION. YEAH. ON B BUT AS WELL. YEAH. BUT IT JUST YOU KNOW. I THINK THAT'S AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN THERE'S JUST NO ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW BE NICE TO PUT SOME TREES RIGHT ALONG THOSE WALLS OR SOMETHING. BUT THERE'S NO ROOM AT ALL. IT'S RIGHT ON THE ALLEY.

YEAH. IT'S HARD WITH THE ALLEY. I DO AGREE THIS IS KIND OF MY QUESTION EARLIER IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE IN EVALUATING THE PRESENT? AND IN SOME REGARDS, I THINK YOU ALMOST HAVE TO, BUT IT'S CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, IN ALL CANDOR, THIS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INFINITELY EASIER TO SERVICE THE SITE THROUGH FOUNDER'S WAY, GIVEN THE GRADE. WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST THAT BY HAVING OUR SERVICE ALLEY AT THE SOUTH SITE, I REALLY ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, INTUITIVELY, AS PART OF THE GRID NETWORK, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE ALLEY, THAT WAS THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO SERVICE IT SOME WAY. WE TRY TO TREAT EVERY OTHER FRONTAGE AS A TRUE FRONTAGE. IT WOULD HAVE MADE OUR LIVES A LOT EASIER TO FLIP THE BUILDING. IT REALLY WOULD HAVE. BUT IN THE LONG RUN, I THINK YOU'RE DOING IT. YOU'RE ORIENTING IT THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE LONG FOR THE LONG HAUL.

RIGHT. BUT I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF GAVE THE APPLICANT AS WELL, JUST TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, SO THAT WE WERE ALWAYS REVIEWING IT THROUGH THE LENS OF WHAT ARE THE STRATEGIC PLANS GOALS FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER? I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS THESE TODAY, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S ALL BUILT OUT AND EVERYTHING'S SAID AND DONE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, FINGERS CROSSED. AS WE MENTIONED, THIS IS THE CATALYST TO GET, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE REACHING THOSE GOALS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME REDEVELOPMENT DOES OCCUR IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, IT'S ALWAYS A FAIRLY BIG CHANGE TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY. AND SO, YEAH, WE, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZE THE STREETS AND, YOU KNOW, MADE SURE THAT THE ALLEYS IS REALLY WHERE VEHICLES ARE WANTING TO GO TO ACCESS PARKING AND STREETS ARE WHERE PEDESTRIANS WANT TO GO. SO I HAVE ONE OTHER KIND OF JUST BROAD QUESTION TO THE TO THE BOARD, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, WE'VE RIGHT NOW AS AS THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED, A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS, FACE FACES, FOUNDERS ALLEY, FOUNDERS WAY, I GUESS IN HONOR OF OUR FOUNDERS OF NEW AVENUE.

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SPECIFICALLY. OTHER THAN JUST A TERRACE. IS THAT A SEPARATE APARTMENT, A TERRACE, THAN THE ONE NEXT DOOR? SO THE FIRST FLOOR IS FOR THE RETAIL OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE FOR THEM. AND I WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR THAT IS COMMON SPACE FOR THE UNITS ABOVE IT. SO IT'S NOT FOR ONE PARTICULAR UNIT, BUT IT'S AN OUTDOOR OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THAT BUILDING. MR. MALTZ, I THINK THERE COULD BE A BETTER SOLUTION TO THAT MASSING.

I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH, AND MAYBE THE I MEAN, THE BALCONY, I'M NOT SURE THE WHITE AT THE BACK IS THE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT FOR THAT CORNER. I LOVE THE REST OF THE BUILDING. YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT. I DO AS WELL, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT YOU AND I HAVEN'T SEEN SPECIFIC DIMENSIONS. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE BUILDING IS RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU RIGHT HERE. IT JUST SEEMS SO TIGHT BETWEEN THE TREE GRATES AND THE BUILDINGS. I DON'T KNOW HOW WALKABLE THIS REALLY IS. MAYBE IT IS. I THINK IT'S. BUT I LOOK AT THIS SIDE. IS IT TRUE THAT YOU HAVE THAT MUCH ROOM? YEAH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT IT'S. SO WE'RE SO FAR ABOVE, IT'S HARD TO TELL, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS BUILDING IS RIGHT ON YOU. BUT. AND THIS IS I'M GOING FORWARD TO THE TO THE WAIVERS THIS THESE WAIVERS. IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE DETAIL AS I ASSUME YOU ALL DID. YEAH. YOU GOT PERHAPS ARE PERHAPS THE BEST EXAMPLE THAT I'VE SEEN OF NECESSARY DUE TO, DUE TO FAIRNESS. SO IF WE WANT TO USE AN EXAMPLE OF THINGS IN THE FUTURE THAT ARE NECESSARY DUE TO FAIRNESS, YES, THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THESE. THAT'S WHAT I FOUND.

THE WAIVERS, THE WAIVERS ARE EASY FOR ME. SO WHAT WHAT I MEAN, I GUESS LOOKING TO THE BOARD. WHAT WHAT CAN WE TELL THIS APPLICANT? I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT HEARING THIS BOARD READY TO GRANT CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND APPROVED APOLOGIES TONIGHT. I MEAN, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I'M NOT. BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.

AND IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS EVALUATED, THEN, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE CAN MAKE A, YOU KNOW, A DECISION ON THAT. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENTS THAT I ALREADY MADE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS EVALUATED FURTHER. SO I'D PROBABLY APPROVE THE TOPOLOGIES WITH SOME CONDITIONS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF. YOU WANT TO. I THINK WE'RE MUCH CLOSER THAN NOT, BUT THERE'S A LOT TO THIS SUBMISSION, AND I THINK THE PARKING AND SUBSECTION B COULD BE BETTER HIDDEN. OKAY. I'M NOT I'M NOT AGAINST THE CANTILEVERED. CANTILEVERED. NO TUCK UNDER TUCK UNDER PARKING I THINK. GIVEN THE NATURE OF IT AND THE MASSING OF BUILDING C, ALTHOUGH LARGER, IT'S SOMEWHAT REMOTE. EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO BE. I THINK THE BANK OWNS THE

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I DO NOT HAVE B6. OKAY. THE POWERPOINT. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I THINK FOR THE BOARD LET ME CAN I REFER TO THE BOARD TO B6. THIS IS WHAT THE THIS IS WHAT IF YOU LOOK OUT YOUR REAR WINDOW IN THE, IN THE COURTYARD YOU'RE LOOKING ACROSS. LET'S, LET'S IGNORE FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE MINUTE THE TUCK UNDER PARKING WHICH I THINK WHICH YOU ON WHICH I'VE STATED, I THINK WE'VE STATED OUR VIEWS AND MR. BROWN MADE A GOOD COMMENT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT, THE PILLARS MAYBE SHOULD BE BETTER, BUT ARE WE OKAY WITH IS THERE ENOUGH FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE LOOKING AT THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR? BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY PLAIN. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M OFFENDED BY IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD CONSIDERED THAT I WOULD JUST MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT MY REMARKS OF THE CORNICE FRIEZE BOARDS, THE ARTICULATION AND FENESTRATION PATTERNS. I MEAN, THEY JUST THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE'S A LOT THAT'S CLOSE. THERE'S A LOT THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE, I THINK, COMPLETELY RESOLVED. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVE THE SAME I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SCALE AND HEIGHT OF THOSE INTERIOR ELEVATIONS ON B6, AS I DO ABOUT THE REMARKS I MADE ABOUT THE EXTERIOR AS WELL. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THOSE BE LOOKED AT IN THE SAME MANNER AS AS MY OTHER REMARKS. AND I THINK THE, THE WINDOW SPACING AND PATTERNING IS IT'S NOT OBJECTIONABLE. IT'S PROBABLY PROGRAMMATICALLY ALIGNED TO WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE. AND I THINK THERE'S THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE IN THE COURTYARD. THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE LATITUDE THAT CAN BE GRANTED FOR THOSE THINGS. BUT I WOULD I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THOSE WALK OUTS ARE ON THAT CENTER FRENCH DOOR ON LEVEL TWO THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN, IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE SORT OF A FLUSH RAIL THAT'S UP AGAINST THE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IT'S NOT REALLY ANY KIND OF STEP OUT IF IT'S JUST SIMPLY THE FRENCH DOORS ARE OPENING. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT. YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT INTERIOR SPACE AS A PARKING GARAGE, I WOULD PUT IT BACK TO YOU AND ASK, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT YOUR RESIDENTS TO EXPERIENCE IS, YOU KNOW, GRABBING THEIR COFFEE IN THE MORNING AND LOOKING OUT OVER THEIR PARKING GARAGE? YEAH. SO THAT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE.

THAT'S PURELY MARKETABILITY. AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD DIE ON THAT HILL AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT FALSE BALCONY IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. BUT I WOULD CONSIDER THAT CAREFULLY. YEAH. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH MORE FAVORABLE VIEW OUT THEIR FRONT WINDOW. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHERE THEIR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE, NOT OUT THE BACK. SO. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER BROAD COMMENTS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT HOPEFULLY I'M JUST I'M TRYING TO SUMMARIZE THINGS FOR YOU. ANY OTHER BROAD COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A RENDERED ELEVATION OF THE BACK SIDE OF A. I KNOW THERE'S A DRAWING, BUT IT COULD BE A COLORED RENDERING JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT VIEW WOULD BE FROM BUILDING B TO THAT POINT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THAT WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCE OF THOSE PARKING SPACES DISAPPEARING TO THE ABILITY OF STAFF AND THIS BOARD TO APPROVE THE PROJECT ON ON SUBAREA A, THOSE ROUGHLY 1215 PARKING SPACES, ARE THOSE AN OUTRIGHT SURFACE PARKING? YEAH. THOSE AN OUTRIGHT NECESSITY FOR THIS. YEAH. SO IN ORDER TO MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. AND THIS HAS BECOME IN THE EVENING. YEAH, YEAH. HAVE HAVE WE I KNOW THAT WE'RE MEETING PARKING REQUIREMENTS HERE IN PART BY HAVING STREET PARKING. IS THERE A PRECEDENT FOR THAT? GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK SAID THAT I THINK WE'VE DONE A COMBINATION MAYBE IN SOME OTHER PLACES, ESPECIALLY THINKING OF THE AVALON, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT CERTAINLY THE URBAN CENTER CODE ZONING, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGES AND ALLOWS FOR THAT ON STREET PARKING. AND HERE I'M PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD TO GIVE SO MANY GIVE SO MUCH FOR STREETS.

AND THEN LET'S LET THE RESIDENTS USE IT AND LET IT COUNT. OKAY. LET'S I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS PRECEDENT. YEAH. THE WHEN THE CITY. WELL, AS PART OF THE CITY DESIGN OF THE NEW STREETS OF SECOND, THIRD AND FOUNDERS AVENUE, WE'VE DONE CALCULATIONS AND WE KNOW THERE WILL BE AT LEAST 32 BRAND NEW PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE CREATED AS PART OF THAT STREET NETWORK. IT COULD GET UP TO LIKE 34 OR 36. WE'RE SORT OF SEEING HOW MUCH WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SQUEEZE IN AS FAR AS THE TURNING RADIUS GOES FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS. WE STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ACCESSIBLE. BUT I MEAN, CERTAINLY AT THE VERY LEAST, 32 AND UP TO 36 WILL BE NO CHANGE

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THAT'S RIGHT. THE 30. YEAH. TWO IS THE GENEROUS NEW ALBANY. YEAH. THE GENEROUS I MEAN I TRY TO PARK ELSEWHERE AND IT'S LIKE, MY GOODNESS, I WISH I WAS IN NEW ALBANY. SO WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T DO THAT FOR MARKETING MAINE, DID WE? WE DIDN'T COUNT CREDITS FOR THE STREET PARKING. SO FOR MARKETING MAINE, IT IS ALL OFF STREET PARKING. THE MAJORITY OF IT IS IN GARAGES. THERE IS SOME SURFACE PARKING BEHIND THOSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THOUGH THAT COUNT TOWARDS. OH, RIGHT. OKAY.

IS THERE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF SECOND AND THIRD STREET OR JUST ONE? SO THERE IS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF SECOND AND THIRD STREETS. THEY'LL BE JUST PARKING ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF FOUNDERS AVENUE. FOR THE MAJORITY OF IT. THERE'S A SMALL SECTION. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE CAN BRING UP THE SITE PLAN WHERE THERE'S SO THERE'S THANK YOU. SO THERE'S BUMP OUT PARKING JUST LIKE YOU HAVE ON HIGH STREET HERE. SO THERE'LL BE ON STREET PARKING ON BOTH SIDES HERE. AND IT'LL BE JUST ON STREET PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND SO THAT ALLOWS FOR TWO LANE TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF FOUNDERS WAY. AND THEN, YEAH, ON STREET PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF SECOND AND THIRD STREET. AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO BE I GUESS IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ON STREET PARKING EXISTING ON THIS SECTION OF SECOND THAT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE CONTINUED. SO IT'LL BE A FEW MORE SPACES. IN ADDITION TO WHAT I'VE SAID ALONG THIS SECTION OF SECOND AS WELL. SO WE'RE NOT COUNTING THE PARKING THAT'S ALREADY ON HIGH STREET AS PART OF THESE CREDITS. SO IT IS A COMBINATION OF HIGH STREET AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY. SO WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE WILL BE PART OF THAT. SO IF WE DO THIS, DOES THAT PUT THE CITY THEN IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN'T PUT HOURLY REQUIREMENTS, SAY TWO HOUR PARKING ON THE STREET? NO, IT WOULDN'T RESTRICT THE CITY FROM PUTTING IN ANY SORT OF ON STREET REGULATIONS FOR PARKING DURATIONS, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER THING WE HAD TO DO TO. AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW WE'VE PUT THAT IN PLACE. AND SO WE'VE CONTEMPLATED HOW, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT GETS PUT IN PLACE HERE JUST TO ENSURE THERE'S TURNOVER TRAFFIC. THAT'S REALLY TO THE BENEFIT OF THE RETAIL USERS TO MAKE SURE THAT. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. YEAH. THERE WAS A SLIDE EARLIER, IF I REMEMBER, ABOUT THE PARKING RATIO. AND I THINK BASICALLY EVEN WITHOUT THE STREET PARKING, THEY STILL MET THE REQUIREMENT. DID YOU DO YOU REMEMBER THAT I WAS DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD REALLY FAST AND YOU FLIPPED ON IT WAS LIKE 39 CREDITS FOR STREET. AND LIKE, IF I TOOK THAT OUT, THEY STILL MET THE MINIMUM. YEAH, RIGHT. SO PARCEL A, THEY DO NEED THE ON STREET CREDIT, BUT FOR PARCEL B AND C THEY ARE MEETING THE REQUIRED PARKING. SO IT'S JUST A PARCEL A THAT NEEDS TO COUNT THE ON STREET PARKING OKAY. THAT'S WHAT CODE. YEAH. ALLOWS AND CONTEMPLATES FOR THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT OKAY. SO HAVE WE GIVEN YOU DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH GUIDANCE TO COME BACK? YES. MAYBE WE CAN SUMMARIZE IT. HOW ABOUT THAT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME PARCEL A REALLY THIS CORNER NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED. YES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR SUB PARCEL A? MR. MALIK, JUST TALK ABOUT THE PARAPET. THE PARAPET IS CORRECT. YES. I'LL SORT OF CONSOLIDATE.

MR. MOUSSA'S COMMENTS FOR. WE'LL JUST CALL THEM MR. MALIK'S COMMENTS REGARDING PARAPETS AND THE LIKE, SPECIFICALLY ON SUB PARCEL B. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED SUB PARCEL A. ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS IF I TRIED TO FAN MYSELF, I'D PROBABLY BUTCHER THEM. THEN WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE SORT OF MITIGATING THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THIS INNER COURTYARD BY HOPEFULLY A FIRST FLOOR CONTINUATION OF THE BRICK TREATMENT THERE. SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. REALLY, MOST OF THE COMMENTS STEMMED AROUND SORT OF THAT HEIGHT COMPONENT, MAKING SURE THAT THAT TYPOLOGY DOESN'T HAVE 55FT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? WERE YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING THE PARAPETS? DO THOSE EXIST HERE I THINK YEAH, I MEAN, FROM WHAT I COULD SEE ON THE DRAWINGS, I WOULD LOOK AT ALL THREE BUILDINGS WITH THE SAME SCRUTINY. BUT IT IT VARIES FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING. AS I UNDERSTAND. AND LET ME JUST ASK THE BOARD ONE GO AHEAD PLEASE FINISH. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE ONLY ONLY OTHER QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD'S OKAY WITH IS, IS THAT IN IN THESE BUILDINGS, IF I'M SEEING CORRECTLY WE HAVE A MIX OF DIVIDED LIGHT OR SIMULATED

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AND IF YOU DO FEEL AS THOUGH YOU NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE ARCHITECTURALLY FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OPENING, I MIGHT SUGGEST ABANDONING THE DOUBLE HUNG. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE THE SLS AND GO TO A CASEMENT OR SOME OTHER WINDOW. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT THERE SHOULD BE MORE RATIONALE BETWEEN THEM RATHER THAN JUST ONE WITH SLS AND ONE WITHOUT.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE MY HEART LIES. BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, ADAM, I THINK WE'RE THERE'S A THERE'S A LAYER OF SCRUTINY OF MATERIALITY AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING AND SOME OF THE ENTRY DETAILS AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE FRAMING AND CORNICE OF, OF, OF THE FRIEZE BOARD OVER THE DOORS, LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE SHOWSTOPPERS, IN MY OPINION. WE CAN APPROVE THAT. WE CAN APPROVE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK TO US WITH THOSE WITH A CONDITION.

OKAY. EXACTLY. AND I DON'T I THINK THAT WOULD BE THERE. SO I'M GETTING DOWN. I'M TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. MALIK. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HOLDING BACK ON REVIEWING FOR, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE COME BACK AND ADDRESS THESE THINGS, WE'D LIKE IT ALL AT ONCE IS WHAT I'M GETTING IT. AND. I MEAN, I THINK I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF. THERE MAY BE LITTLE TINY THINGS THAT CAN WE CAN STILL APPROVE THAT. WE CAN STILL APPROVE THIS AND GIVE YOU A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH A CONDITION THAT YOU DO A, B, C, AND D. SURE. AND WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT YET TO DO THAT. AND SO RATHER THAN GO THROUGH A, B, C AND D I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT COMES BACK.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE GIVE YOU EVERYTHING NOW AND YOU COME BACK. AND THEN WE WITH WHAT YOU'VE CHANGED BIGGER MOVE MORE I'D RATHER BECAUSE. BECAUSE THE LITTLE THINGS THAT MR. MALIK IS TALKING ABOUT WOULD NOT STOP US FROM GIVING. GIVING YOU YOUR TOPOLOGIES AND GIVING YOU A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION THAT YOU DO A, B, C, D AND E. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW. WE NEED TO GET INTO A, B, C AND D AND E RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE CAN APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. RIGHT. YEAH. AND I AND AGAIN I'LL, I'LL SAY I THINK THIS IS CLOSER THAN NOT I AGREE. NO. AND IN ALL OF MY COMMENTS AND I'VE TALKED A LOT, I APOLOGIZE. I LIKE WHAT I SEE HERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS BOARD IS READY AND, YOU KNOW, HAS HAS THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT I WORRY ABOUT. THIS IS SETTING A BIG STANDARD FOR NEW ALBANY. I THINK THE CONCERNS I MEAN, IF THIS IS NEXT TO THE NEXT TO THE HAMPTON, WHICH AND MERCIFULLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH LOTS OF IRATE, IRATE LANDOWNERS NEARBY. THIS IS ABOUT AS BIG A THING AS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. AND ALL MY COMMENTS GO TO THAT, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WE SAID IN OUR PRESENTATION, EACH BUILDING IS ITS OWN COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPOLOGIES.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I WOULD HAVE BEEN SURPRISED IF WE CAME HERE AND YOU GUYS LIKED EVERYTHING ENOUGH. I REALLY WOULD HAVE. SO CAN I WE HEAR YOU? YOU GUYS GAVE TREMENDOUS SPECIFIC FEEDBACK. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO REGROUP AND WE HAVE REALLY GOOD GUIDANCE GOING INTO A FUTURE HEARING. I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. THANK YOU. BUILDING B IS IT? THIS TOP? THOSE ARE DECKS UP THERE. ARE THEY ARE THEY. WHAT'S ON THE. IS IT JUST SCREENING. IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE WE DO SHOW ROOFTOP TERRACES OKAY. THERE'S TERRACES UP THERE OKAY. WHERE'S THE WHERE'S. WHERE'S THE ENTRANCES TO THEM. SO WE'RE SHOWING IT'S SORT OF A FANCY GLASS HATCH TO GET UP THERE. WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT A DOGHOUSE AND REALLY RAISE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. WE CAN GIVE AN EXHIBIT AND, YOU

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OKAY. COOL. SO I WOULD MOVE TO TABLE ARB 97 2024 AND ARB 98 2024 SECOND. MR. ITEM. YES, MR. MALIK YES, MISS MOORE YES. MR. STROLLER YES. MR. HANSEN YES. MR. BROWN YES. MR. DAVEY YES.

THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL MOVIR B 97 2024 AND ARB 98 2024. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. NO THANK YOU FOLKS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN BE HERE IN FEBRUARY. WE HAVE A THESE GUYS HAVE ENOUGH TIME. YEAH GOOD LUCK RIGHT. IT'S LIKE YEAH WHEN I WAS PRACTICING LAW YEAH THE LAWYERS WILL DO THAT BY TOMORROW. ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD. ONE QUICK

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