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ALL. RIGHT. COUNCIL. IS COUNCIL READY? HERE WE GO. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING
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COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD. CAN I HEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. KIRBY? PRESENT. MR. WALLACE. PRESENT. MR. SHELL. PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS. HERE. MR. LARSON. PRESENT.COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. HERE. ALL VOTING MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT? NONE FROM STAFF. OKAY. WOULD EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. NOW IT'S TIME FOR OUR PHONES. TO THE MINUTES. YEAH, I
[III. Action on minutes: January 22, 2025]
WILL ACTUALLY. WERE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE JANUARY 22ND MINUTES? NONE HERE. NONE? NONE HERE. NONE FOR ME. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 22ND, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AS SUBMITTED. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. ON THE MINUTES. I COULD HEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. WALLACE? YES.
MR. LARSON? YES. MR. SHELL. YES. MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. KIRBY. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE. THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE. HEARING OF VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH VISITORS? HEARING NONE, WE MOVE
[VI. Cases]
ON TO OUR CASES. OUR FIRST CASE IS FINAL FLAT 92. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU. SO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A FINAL PLAT FOR PHASE ONE OF THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THIS SITE IS LOCATED, BUT JUST FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME, ANYONE WHO DOESN'T OR WHO NEEDS A REFRESHER, THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE IS CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. THIS IS STATE ROUTE 605. THE AREAS THIS IS THE ACTUAL SITE ARE PHASE ONE OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT. SO THE AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN RED WALK THROUGH THOSE REALLY QUICKLY HERE FOR YOU. AND THEN I'LL FLIP TO THE PLAT SHEET. SO THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS PLANT, THIS PLOT, IS TO ESTABLISH THE INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK WITHIN PHASE FIVE OR PHASE ONE. WHOA. SORRY. THAT INCLUDES RASH BOULEVARD, HUSTON STREET OR HUSTON LOOP. SORRY. RIGHT HERE. AND THEN TALIA ALLEY RIGHT HERE. THE RED LINES ON CENTRAL COLLEGE AND 605 ARE JUST THERE TO ILLUSTRATE THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'RE. THAT'S BEING DEDICATED ALONG THOSE STREETS. I BELIEVE ON CENTRAL COLLEGE, WE'RE GETTING ADDITIONAL TEN FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY. AND THE DEVELOPER IS ACTUALLY DEDICATING 50FT OF RIGHT OF WAY ALONG 605, AND ONLY 40FT IS REQUIRED. SO THEY'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE TEXT REQUIRES THERE.AND THEN AGAIN, HERE IS JUST THE ACTUAL PLAT SHEET THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, AGAIN SHOWING RUSH BOULEVARD, HUSTON LOOP AND TALIA ALLEY. SO I DON'T THINK RUSH BOULEVARD NEEDS AN EXPLANATION OR AN INTRODUCTION THAT ROADS BEING NAMED AFTER BILL RUSH, WHO WAS A LONG.
STANDING ADVOCATE FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS PROJECT, BUT ALSO JUST SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AND WELL DONE DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHILE HE WAS WITH US. AND THEN HUSTON LOOP IS NAMED AFTER HUSTON IS A NAME OF A FAMILY THAT OWNED LAND IN THIS GENERAL AREA. I BELIEVE IT WAS BACK IN THE EARLY 1900S, BUT I CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT CONFIRM THAT. AND THEN TALIA ALLEY IS NAMED AFTER A TREE, I BELIEVE, AND NATIVE OHIO TREE. SO THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO RETURN IN THE FUTURE TO PLAT THE REST OF THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND COMMERCIAL LOTS. AND THE PARK SPACE. BUT THIS THE INTENT OF THIS PLOT IS JUST TO GET THE ROAD NETWORK ESTABLISHED, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE AS WELL.
NOT YET. I'LL HOLD OFF FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE. SORRY. GOOD EVENING JUSTIN. SORRY ABOUT THAT. A LITTLE TALLER. JUSTIN LYDA VERY EXCITED TO BE BACK AGAIN. NOW THAT WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE BRINGING FINAL ENGINEERING AND WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THE FINAL PLAT AND MOBILIZING ON SITE HERE WITH SITE FENCING AND OUR INITIAL SITE CLEARING IN THE NEXT 45 DAYS. SO VERY EXCITED TO GET THIS FIRST PIECE IN. THIS ESTABLISHES THE FRAMEWORK FOR SUBAREA ONE AND TWO. AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER THIS WE'LL BE BRINGING THE BALANCE OF THE SUB AREAS IN. AND THEN AS WELL AS THE INTERNAL LOT NETWORK AND ALLEY NETWORK WITHIN THIS COMPONENT OF THE PLAN. BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT STARTED. WE GOT THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE GOT THE STREET NETWORK IN PLACE SO THAT WE COULD BE READY AND MOVING. AND BRIAN
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QUACKENBUSH AS WELL, FROM YOU MENTIONED IF THERE'S ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ACTUALLY ENGINEERING ON THIS, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. OKAY. THE ALLEY. SO IT GOES THROUGH THE LOT LINE I PRESUME IT'S THE LOT LINE TO THE WEST. YES. CURRENTLY TERMINATES ON THE CAN WE SEE THE PRIOR SLIDE WITH THE OVERHEAD ON THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WE GO. IS THAT AN ALLEY OR A PARKING LOT THAT IT WOULD CONNECT TO? IF IT CONNECTED THAT WOULD BE A WELL YOU MEAN ON THE COLUMBUS SIDE? ON THE COLUMBUS SIDE? YEAH. IT'S A SHARED ACCESS WOULD BE AN ALLEY IN OUR. OUR OUR VERBIAGE. BUT IT'S JUST A PRIVATE DRIVE ON THEIR SIDE. SO CURB TO CURB. IT'S BUILT AS AN ALLEY NOT AS A PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY STREET. I NOT KNOWING THE MEASURE TO PUT MY HEAD I WOULD SAY YES. OKAY. AND THIS ONE MATCHES THAT. I BELIEVE IT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT, BUT I CAN DO A QUICK AERIAL MEASUREMENT REALLY QUICK. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND HERE. THE PRESSURE IS ON GETTING LOGGED IN.I BELIEVE WE HAVE 24FT OF RIGHT OF WAY ON THE ALLEY. THAT'S CORRECT. 12 ON EACH SIDE? YEAH.
YEAH. IT LOOKS TO BE GENERALLY THE SAME WIDTH, BUT I'M JUST MEASURING KIND OF TOP. I CAN'T GET SUPER PRECISE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 25FT FROM WHAT I MEASURE. BUT THAT COULD BE OFF BY A FOOT OR SO. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD ON SIZE OF THAT? IF IT CONNECTED, WOULD WE BE GOOD FOR SIZE? YES WE WOULD. OKAY. BECAUSE WE DON'T EXPECT THE TO ACT SO MUCH AS A STREET.
CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. ALL QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. AND IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS, BUT LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE SITE. THAT'S A QUESTION FOR CITY. THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THE AVENUE CONDO ROAD, THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THE CITY WAS CONTEMPLATING PUTTING INTO THE BUDGET. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS AN UPDATE ON THAT. YES. DO YOU WANT TO PUT IT ALL IN THE BUDGET, MIKE? VERY GOOD. YES, IT WAS A LARGE PART, ACTUALLY, OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS BUDGET THAT THAT WE APPROVED ALL THE FUNDING THAT WAS REQUESTED. VERY NICE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO. YOU MENTIONED NEW ALBANY CONDIT VERSUS SAME THING CENTRAL. SORRY I'M GETTING CENTRAL STREET. YES YOU'RE RIGHT. 60565. YEAH. YEAH. SORRY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
OKAY. JUST ONE QUICK ONE FOR ME. SO NO UPDATES. JUST IN REGARDING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE WEST REGARDING THE CONNECTION OF THIS ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. NOT CURRENTLY. WE FULLY EXPECT THAT. IT'S KIND OF WHEN YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL. SO I THINK ONCE THEY SEE IT BUILT, THEN THE CONVERSATIONS WILL KIND OF REENGAGE. AND THIS IS BEING SET UP I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE WIDTH. THIS IS BEING SET UP. SO IT COULD JUST TURN KEY. YEP. GET IT GOING. EXACTLY. AND THE GRADING IS BEING ESTABLISHED FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT CONNECTION. FANTASTIC. SO BASICALLY IF THAT WAS A PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'D HAVE CONNECTIVITY TODAY. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT HAVE YOU HAD ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HOTEL CHAIN THAT WAS INTERESTED IN COMING IN? WE'VE CONTINUED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS. YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THE PROCESS IS TO EVALUATE ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HEAR ABOUT. THAT ONE CAME IN OVER THE KIND OF LATE FALL. WE EXPLORED THE DESIGN AND LOGISTICS, CAME HERE AND GOT FEEDBACK. RIGHT NOW, OUR FOCUS IS ON THE ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL FDP SOLUTION. BUT IN THE BACKGROUND, WE'RE STILL DOING SOME OF THE EVALUATION. BUT OUR FOCUS IS ON THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL PLAN.
GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THE MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR. FINAL PLAT 92. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? DO THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. LARSON. YES. MR. SHELL. YES. MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES. MOTION PASSES
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WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF ADMISSION OF DOCUMENTS. SO YOUR MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION ITSELF. I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF APPLICATION. FPL DASH 92-2024. BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY CONDITIONS. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF? DO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. SHELL. YES. MR. LARSON? YES. MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES.THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR PHASE ONE OF THE HAMLET. GOOD LUCK. ESPECIALLY CONNECTING THAT ROAD. THANK YOU GUYS. TAKES US TO FINAL PLAT.
OH, ONE OF 2025. FROM STAFF, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THIS IS FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF CITY COUNCIL FOR A FINAL PLAT FOR MORGANTON PARKWAY PHASE FOUR. HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE AREA, WHICH IS SOUTH OF 161 AND NORTH OF EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION OF THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDED ON THE PLAT. THE PLAT DEDICATES RIGHT OF WAY FOR GANTON PARKWAY PHASE FOUR, AS WELL AS RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE REALIGNMENT OF EAST DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD AND KITZMILLER ROAD. LASTLY, AT VACATES A PORTION OF EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD AND REPLACES IT WITH A UTILITY EASEMENT. THE DEDICATION CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 7715 LINEAR FEET OF PUBLIC STREET, TOTALING ABOUT 12.33 ACRES. THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SHOWS GANTON PARKWAY AS A MINOR ARTERIAL CLASSIFICATION THAT MATCHES THE PLAT, AND THE FINAL PLAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND SERVES AS A CRITICAL CONNECTION, PROVIDING ACCESS TO EXISTING AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OH, AND THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT. OKAY. ENGINEERING. NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU. CAN WE GO OVER THE ALIGNMENT AND WHY? THIS IS THE ALIGNMENT AND THE GOALS WITH THIS ALIGNMENT. I'LL DEFER TO CARA. OKAY. THIS WAS ARRIVED UPON BY WITH THE DONATION OF THE LAND. SO IT WAS ARRIVED UPON TO REDIRECT TRAFFIC. THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING OFF OF KITZMILLER AND TO DIRECT THEM AWAY TOWARDS THE VILLAGE CENTER. KITZMILLER. WHICH WAY? SO THEY'RE SO LIKE IF YOU'RE HEADING NORTHBOUND, YOU'D BE LESS LIKELY. I'M SORRY. YEAH. IF YOU'RE HEADING NORTHBOUND, YOU WOULD BE GOING ONTO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. NOW I'LL JUST I'LL ADD ON TO THAT AS WELL, IS THAT THIS ALIGNMENT IS ALSO BASED. SO WE DON'T CREATE ANOTHER FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION. I KNOW THAT'S VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IT JUST KIND OF SHOWS ALL ROADS LEADING TOGETHER. WE KNEW THAT WAS NEVER THE ANSWER. AND SO THROUGH THIS LAND DONATION AND THIS TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE CITY'S CONSULTANTS, CARPENTER MARTY, WE FIND THIS IS A GOOD SOLUTION. IT ALSO PROVIDES ROOM FOR A FUTURE ROUNDABOUT AT CANTON PARKWAY AND DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. AND SO THIS IS I GUESS THAT'S SOME BACKGROUND ON HOW WE HAVE LANDED ON THIS INTERSECTION. AND THEN WHICH. OH, SORRY. WITH ALL OF THESE INTERSECTIONS. YEAH. AND THERE ARE TWO INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE DUBLIN-GRANVILLE IN CANTON HERE. CAN WE INTERRUPT? CAN WE GO TO THE OVERALL DEPICTION MAP PICTURE? I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS AND EVERYTHING. IF WE LOOK AT THAT, AT LEAST IT WILL BE FOR ME.
YEAH. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY JUST BE ONE INTERSECTION WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE AND BUILT. SO IT WILL ALLOW FOR ONE CONTIGUOUS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN VERY COGNIZANT OF, IS MAKING SURE THAT CANTON PARKWAY IS THE THROUGH MOTION. AND SO IT'S CONTINUOUS JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO, I GUESS, CONFUSION ABOUT ADDRESSING THE OTHER EXISTING CONSTRAINT TO IS TODAY AT KITZMILLER AND DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. THERE'S A HUGE GRADE CHANGE THERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THAT. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER BIG CONSTRAINT THAT ALSO LED US TO THIS REALIGNMENT. SO IF I'M NORTHBOUND FROM KITZMILLER, I HIT THE NORTHBOUND ON KITZMILLER FROM THE SOUTH I T INTO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE TURN RIGHT. I RIGHT ON GANTON AND GANTON BECOMES DUBLIN-GRANVILLE WHEN IT CROSSES OVER THE KITZMILLER INTERSECTION. THE CURRENT KITZMILLER INTERSECTION. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT TWO SPOTS WHERE. SO GANNON QUITS BEING GANTON AND STARTS BEING DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. OKAY. ARE WE EXPECTING ANY THING AS IT AS YOU TAKE THAT MOTION, AS YOU COME DOWN. GANTON AND HEADS JUST KEEP GOING. ARE WE EXPECTING TO PEEL
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THAT OFF TO THE SOUTH? FURTHER DOWN? YEAH. SO THE CITY IS CURRENTLY ALSO HAS CONTRACT WITH CARPENTER MARTY. AND WE'RE ALSO DOING THE DESIGN OF WHERE IT'S GOING SOUTH. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE AT ROUGHLY NEAR BABBITT ROAD INTERSECTION. OKAY. AND THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN A MONTH OR SO SOON. SO JUST TO CLARIFY. SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT A PORTION OF EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD IS, IS GOING TO GO AWAY. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. AND. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE NEW REALIGNMENT. THAT'S INTERESTING. AND IS MOST OF THAT, STEVE, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE IN THAT ONE AREA OF THE ROAD CURRENTLY. YEAH. I FORGET WHAT THE DROP IS, BUT IT WOULD BE IT'S UP THERE. YEAH. IT WOULD BE QUITE AN ENGINEERING FEAT TO ADD ON ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'RE STUDYING AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE SORT OF DELAYED THE, THE ROUNDABOUT THERE JUST DUE TO THAT GRADE CHANGE. SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER. WE KNOW THE SIZE OF IT. BUT THAT WILL COME WITH A LATER PLAT THAT'S BASED ON SOME FINISHED ENGINEERING DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. AND TO BE CLEAR, THE ROUNDABOUTS CURRENTLY IN THE TREES, IT'S NOT AT THE OLD INTERSECTION. YEAH.SORRY. THERE'S TWO. THERE'S ONE. YEAH. LOCATED IN THE TREES THERE. AND THEN THERE WILL ALSO BE ONE IN THE FUTURE AT THE EXISTING KITZMILLER AND DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. OKAY.
WHERE THE WHERE THE GRADE CHANGES. YEAH. SO WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THESE ROADS GOING TO BE? I KNOW GANTT COMES FROM THE NORTH THEN. YEAH. THEY'RE REMAINING THE SAME. AND THEN THIS PART OF TYSON WILL CHANGE TO GANTON PARKWAY BACK TO. OKAY. CURRENTLY, A LOT OF CYCLISTS GO OUT TOWARDS GRANVILLE ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH THE PARKS AND TRAILS AND IF WHETHER IT HAS IT OR NOT, JUST IF YOU COULD KIND OF SHARE THE THOUGHTS ABOUT CYCLE, CYCLIST AND TRAFFIC. I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE JUST BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THOSE CYCLISTS. YEAH, EVERYBODY LOVES DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD TO GO QUICK, AND IT'S AN EASY ROUTE TO GET OUT TO THE COUNTRY ROADS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, ANOTHER POPULAR ROUTE IS ACTUALLY GO KITZMILLER TO SMITH'S MILL ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TWO LANE SECTION IS. IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR CYCLISTS TO HAVE TWO LANES SO CARS CAN PASS YOU EASILY. SO I THINK THAT I WOULD IMAGINE I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY CYCLIST IN NEW ALBANY, THAT DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD WILL CONTINUE TO BE SORT OF THE THROUGH, AND THEN IT WILL JUST GO INTO THAT FOUR LANE SECTION AT NEW DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD AT THE, AT THE INTERSECTION. SO I THINK IT STILL WILL PROVIDE A GREAT AND EFFECTIVE MEANS FOR CYCLISTS THAT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO USE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO YOU WOULD ENVISION THAT THEY WOULD RIDE UP DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD TO GANTON PARKWAY, AND THEN LET'S SAY YOU'RE COMING FROM THE CITY, THEN TURN RIGHT AND GET BACK TO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. YEAH. OR WORTHINGTON. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THIS IS DUBLIN-GRANVILLE AND IT'S GOING TO COME ALONG HERE. IS THIS. YEP. LET'S GO DOWN HERE. YES, THIS. IS I MEAN YEAH I KNOW, BUT YEAH. AND THEN THIS IS KITZMILLER. KITZMILLER FROM THE SOUTH. SO IS THE IS THE ROAD.
THAT'S ALL THE WAY. WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE I HAVEN'T FINISHED IT. SO THEN KITZMILLER.
BUT IS THIS KITZMILLER TOO. YEAH. YES BUT I DON'T I DON'T GET THIS ROAD TRANSITION. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AT ALL. BUT. I GUESS I DON'T QUITE GET IT. I MEAN, I GET THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO THERE TO AVOID FIVE CORNERS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS WEIRD TO ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW. I MEAN, I HOPE NOBODY WANTS ANY UBER EATS UP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.
ANYWAY, JUST A COMMENT I GUESS. YES. NO, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS WHY THIS HAS TAKEN OVER A YEAR IN DESIGN CONSIDERATION. WE'VE BEEN WE DID AN RFP NOW A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS AGO TO CHOOSE THE DESIGNER FOR THIS. I THINK WE HAVE SOME PRETTY EXTREME CONSTRAINTS AND THEN SOME PRETTY INTERESTING TRAFFIC INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BOTH FROM THE VILLAGE CENTER TRAFFIC STUDY. AND THEN THIS TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE. SO WE'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, $15 MILLION TO EXTEND MARKET STREET THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER TO KIND OF ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE IN THAT CORE OF THE AREA. AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THAT SOME SORT OF REALIGNMENT OF KITZMILLER WOULD HELP TO, AGAIN, REDUCE THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IN A NEGATIVE WAY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT ON THE ROADS THAT ARE IMPROVED.
WE HAVE CONSTRAINTS WITH RESPECT TO THAT WETLAND AREA WHERE YOU SEE THE ROUNDABOUT THERE. WE
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HAVE CONSTRAINTS WITH THE NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL SITE. AND THEN THERE WAS A DONATION THAT WAS MADE FOR THE BALLFIELD. SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AROUND A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE LOOKED AT KITZMILLER ROAD. AND WHILE WE KIND OF CONTEMPLATED YEARS AGO THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A ROUNDABOUT, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND HOW BIG THAT ROUNDABOUT WOULD NEED TO BE, IT WOULD BE LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT MORSE ROAD. AND JOHNSTOWN ROAD. AND SO THEN WE LOOKED AT THE OKAY, SO EVEN IF WE WANTED TO BUILD A ROUNDABOUT THAT BIG IN THAT LOCATION, TOPOGRAPHICALLY WE JUST THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO DO IT. IT'S WOULD BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE AND THE FILL WOULD BE IT JUST WOULD BE UNBELIEVABLE TO DO IT. YOU'D LOSE THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND WE'D LOSE THE HISTORIC BUILDING. SO THIS WAS SORT OF THE AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE. IF I COULD SHOW YOU THE TRACE PAPER WITH THE NUMBER OF ALIGNMENTS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRESERVE KITZMILLER TO THE NORTH AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT ADDRESSING. AND THEN WE HAVE THAT CRAZY FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION. YOU KNOW KITZMILLER AND CENTRAL COLLEGE TO. SO WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO KEEP SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FROM GOING NORTH SOUTH AS JUST A CUT THROUGH AND REALLY GETTING PEOPLE OUT TO THE IMPROVED US 62. SO YOU'RE NOT WRONG IN THE FACT THAT IT'S A WONKY SITUATION. BUT WE HAVE BEEN STUDYING IT FOR OVER A YEAR WITH TWO DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRMS, AND THIS WAS THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH. THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE. YOU KNOW, FOR JUST PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL, WE KIND OF TOOK A LOOK AT OUR PRIORITIES. AND I THINK PRIORITY NUMBER ONE WAS TO CREATE GANTON PARKWAY, SIMILAR TO A FEEDER ROAD, SMITH'S MILL AND WALTON PARKWAY. AND TO HAVE THAT PARALLEL ROAD NETWORK THAT RUNS ALONG THE 161 EXPRESSWAY. SO THAT WAS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, NOT HAVE ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC DUMPING INTO THE VILLAGE CENTER, BUT TO IF THEY WANT TO GO INTO THE EXPRESSWAY OR THEY WANT TO GO ELSEWHERE, THEY CAN MAKE CHOICES ONCE THEY GET TO THAT NEWLY IMPROVED 161 ROAD IMPROVEMENT NUMBER TWO WAS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS COMING INTO THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND THEN NUMBER THREE WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ALONG GANTON PARKWAY. SO YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS DRAWING IS A LITTLE BIT THE OTHER ONE HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT, BUT THIS ONE IS A LITTLE WONKY JUST BECAUSE THE LINES ARE A LITTLE BIT OFF.SO IT MAKES IT SEEM A LITTLE BIT WORSE THAN IT IS. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. IT IS. IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A STRANGE SITUATION. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE SIGNAL GOING TO BE? IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT GOING TO BE A STOP SIGN? IS IT GOING TO BE A LIGHT? BECAUSE WE GOT A, WE GOT A T ESSENTIALLY A T INTERSECTION HERE. AND THAT'S A ROUNDABOUT. SO THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT. THIS WILL BE THE ROUNDABOUT. YEAH. BUT IS IT GOING TO BE A ROUNDABOUT RIGHT AWAY. YEAH. YES. OKAY. I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER THAT THERE WERE PLANS FOR FUTURE ROUNDABOUTS, BUT THERE IS A PLAN FOR A FUTURE ROUNDABOUT. BUT IT CAN BE SMALLER AND IT CAN BE AT KITZMILLER. AND THANK YOU WHEN GANTON CONNECTS, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY IT HAS TO CONNECT THERE INTO DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THAT. THOSE TOPOGRAPHICAL CONSTRAINTS BECAUSE IT'LL BE MUCH, MUCH SMALLER BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY DEALING WITH JUST TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TWO WAYS. AND THIS WILL BE A STOP SIGN, I TAKE IT. YES. AND KITZMILLER SOUTHBOUND OVER THE OVER THE FREEWAY WOULD THEN STOP AS IT TEES INTO THE MERGE OF KENT AND DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. IT COMES TO BE. THAT'LL BE AROUND ROUNDABOUT. ALTHOUGH THAT'S THE SECOND ROUNDABOUT. THAT'S THE SECOND ROUNDABOUT. OKAY. BUT THAT'S A FUTURE ROUNDABOUT. FUTURE BEING IT'S BEING DESIGNED RIGHT NOW. AND I IMAGINE THAT PLAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE'D LIKE TO BID THIS OUT. IT'S REALLY I THINK WE'RE SHOOTING FOR JULY 1ST TO GO OUT TO BID. IT'S ALL GOING TO BE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. WE'RE JUST PHASING IT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG PROJECT. IT'S A FROM FROM US 62 ALL THE WAY TO BABBITT ROAD IS REALLY WHAT THE DESIGN SCOPE IS. AND SO OUR GOAL INCLUDING UPGRADES FINALLY TO BABBITT ROAD. RIGHT. SO WE'RE FINALLY TAKING A LOOK AT THAT. SOME OF THAT AS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH THREE PHASES.
BUT WE'LL BID THEM OUT SEQUENTIALLY SO THAT HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE ONE CONTRACTOR THAT'S MANAGING ALL OF THESE THINGS AT ONCE. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A TIME PERIOD WHERE IT'LL BE 4 OR 5 YEARS BETWEEN THESE EVENTS. OKAY. THAT'S KNOW WHEN I HEARD SEQUENCE, THAT'S WHAT I, I KIND OF ASSUMED A LONGER TIME FRAME. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. DO WE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DISCONNECT KITZMILLER. WON'T KITZMILLER IN THE SOUTH AND KITZMILLER NORTH WON'T BE DIRECT ANYMORE. KIND OF LIKE HARLEM. RIGHT, RIGHT. WILL THIS ALLEVIATE ANY OF THE TRAFFIC, THE UNWANTED TRAFFIC BETWEEN SMITH'S MILL AND CENTRAL COLLEGE THAT THE KITZMILLER RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE GO AWAY? WE BELIEVE SO. AND THAT WAS A
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MAJOR. THAT WAS AGAIN, ONE OF THE HIGH LIST OF PRIORITIES IN OUR LIST OF THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR. SO DO WE GO BACK? WE LOOKED AT CONDITIONS. HARLEM IS A GREAT EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAVE WHAT WE CALL IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS CALL IT. WE CALL IT LOWER HARLEM, MIDDLE HARLEM AND UPPER HARLEM. NOT CONNECTED AT ALL. I AGREE. I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE GET THEIR DOORDASH DELIVERIES, BUT THEY DO. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS HAS JUST BEEN AN ABSOLUTE FEET OF AMAZING ENGINEERING INGENUITY IN ORDER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTION THAT WE'VE WE'VE DESIGNED. AND I GUESS THREE ENGINEERING FIRMS, I SAID TWO, BUT BETWEEN FEMA, CARPENTER, MARTY AND EP FERRIS, IT HAS TAKEN ALL THREE GROUPS TO COME TO THE TABLE TO HELP US FIGURE THIS OUT. AND MXQ PROVIDING SOME OVERSIGHT, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS THIS AREA HERE DEVELOPABLE? NOT REALLY. I MEAN, AGAIN, THE GRADES, YOU'VE GOT SOME WETLAND AREAS IN THERE. THE GRADES ARE SUCH THAT IT WOULD MAKE IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP IT, WHICH IS WHY I THINK THE DEVELOPER WAS WILLING TO GIVE US THE RIGHT OF WAY IN ORDER TO BUILD, BECAUSE IT'S THERE IS CREEK THROUGH THAT SECTION AS WELL. SO THAT COULD BE A PARKLAND TYPE AREA. OKAY. I WANTED IT IN THE RECORD THAT THIS CRAZY LOOKING ALIGNMENT OF ROADS HAS A BENEFIT THAT MANY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN SEEKING EVER SINCE WALTON PARKWAY CROSSED, KITZMILLER THAT HOPEFULLY THIS GETS SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC OFF OF THERE. NOW, IF WE CAN JUST KEEP THE TRUCKS THAT ARE ON THE PARKWAY FROM TURNING NORTH ON KITZMILLER, LIFE WOULD BE A LOT BETTER. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE WHEN YOU SEE THE BABBITT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. FINALLY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE BABBITT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS SO MEANINGFUL IS THAT WE HAVE THESE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTIONS IN FROM 62 EAST TO BEACH. WE'RE LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS THAT GO OVER THE EXPRESSWAY. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING FROM THE SOUTH. WE KNOW THAT EVEN ON ON US, 62, 40% OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE EXPERIENCE IS CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT? SO WE'RE SEEING THAT SAME THOSE SAME STATISTICS HAPPEN ON THESE OTHER NORTH SOUTH CONNECTORS. BY BUILDING GANTON PARKWAY AS A PRIORITY ROAD, IT'S GOING TO COLLECT THAT TRAFFIC AND TAKE IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, WHICH IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY PROTECT WHAT OUR I MEAN, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS FROM TRAFFIC IMPACTS. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE DOING HERE. IT HELPS A LITTLE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO OTHERS. ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORDS FOR FINAL PLAT ONE OF 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS? MOTION? GO TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY. YES, MR. LARSON? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SHELBY? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF ADMISSION OF THE DOCUMENTS. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT ITSELF? I'LL MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF APPLICATION FPL ZERO ONE 2025. CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. MOTION. THERE WERE NOT. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.GO AHEAD BRUCE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE PLAT. COULD YOU. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. SHELL? YES, MR. LARSON? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. KIRBY. YES, MR. WALLACE. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT TO DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE FOURTH PHASE OF GANDY PARKWAY. I JUST I JUST HAVE A TINY LITTLE. YOU SAID TO RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL FOR CITY COUNCIL IN YOUR MOTION. AND WE ACTUALLY JUST JUST. NO WE DON'T CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS CLEAR. HE SAID. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. APPROVAL IN THE VOTE. OKAY. WELL, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE OR IF THAT'S FINE. WELL, WE VOTE ON THIS ONE ON THE ON THE DON'T FORGET I SAID EVERYTHING. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FINAL PLAN. PLAT IS A FINAL PLAT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. STREET SIGNAGE WILL BE CRITICAL. ON TO OUR OTHER BUSINESS, TMD. YES. SO
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WE HAVE MORESEKEEPING UPDATES. I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN A PATTERN HERE. WE'VE WE'VE DONE SOME SIGNS, WE DID SOME CONDITIONAL USES. AND NOW WE HAVE OUR NEXT ROUND OF HOUSEKEEPING, WHICH IS THE TMD UPDATE AND FLOODPLAIN CHAPTER CODE UPDATES AND SOME RELATED THINGS AS WELL. SO WE WANTED TO WORKSHOP THIS WITH YOU TONIGHT, AND WE'LL BRING THE FULL CODE[00:30:06]
FOR FORMAL REVIEW AT THE FEBRUARY 19TH MEETING. SO FOR THE TMD UPDATES, IT'S TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN. WE CREATED AND ADOPTED THIS IN DECEMBER OF 2021, SO IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD THIS CODE. SO IN THE THREE YEARS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TEST IT FOR BOTH THE FLAGSHIP AND PRIMARY PROJECTS. SO JUST AS A QUICK REFRESHER, FLAGSHIP PROJECTS, THAT'S WHY THIS CODE WAS CREATED. THIS IS TO LAND THOSE MEGA PROJECTS. SO THOSE HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 500 ACRES. THAT CAN BE HOWEVER MANY PARCELS IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT IT HAS TO BE 500 ACRES FOR A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT. AND FOR THE TMD. WE CREATED THIS WHAT WE'VE USED IN OTHER TERMINOLOGY, THE SANDBOX APPROACH. AND SO I ALWAYS USE SANDBOX APPROACH, MEANING WE CARE A LOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT THE EDGES. AND HERE WE HAVE LARGE SETBACKS, STRINGENT MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THESE FLAGSHIP PROJECTS CAN BASICALLY DO THEY HAVE MORE LEEWAY FOR ARCHITECTURE AND, YOU KNOW, AND OTHER USES INSIDE IN THE SANDBOX ITSELF. SO THEY CAN KIND OF DO WHAT THEY WANT IN THE SANDBOX. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO PRIMARY PROJECTS. AND SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THAT WAS REALLY CREATED TO BE THE, THE TYPICAL LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE ALL COME TO KNOW AND LOVE IN THE BUSINESS PARK THAT WE SEE IN AND OUT EVERY DAY, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. BUT THE INTEL'S THERE. SO WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE HAD SORT OF LIKE A FIT TEST IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. SO WE LANDED INTEL.WE'VE TESTED THE FLAGSHIP PORTION OF THIS. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING REALLY WELL. AND WE'VE HAD REALLY ONE TEST FOR THE PRIMARY PROJECTS, AND THAT WAS DSP. AND SO WE'VE ALSO BEEN LOOKING MORE AT THE SUPPLIER PARK. AND I GUESS DSP WILL SORT OF BE HERE. SOME REOCCURRING THEMES THERE. THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT, BUT THEY'VE SORT OF BEEN OUR FIT TEST TO SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING WITH PRIMARY PROJECTS. SO JUST SOME MORE BACKGROUND, REAL QUICK TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESHER ABOUT TMD. SO BOTH CATEGORIES, THE ENTIRE TMD HAS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. SO THAT'S BEEN OUR NEW NORMAL FOR THE BUSINESS. PARK IS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. BOTH FLAGSHIP AND PRIMARY PROJECTS HAVE A LARGE RESIDENTIAL BUFFERING REQUIREMENT. SO THERE'S A MINIMUM TEN FOOT HIGH MOUND WITH 75% SCREENING, IF ANY. IF ANY TMD PROJECT IS OCCURRING NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. AND THERE'S ALSO A SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL SETBACK FOR ALL TMD DISTRICTS AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S 100 FOOT BUILDING AND PAVEMENT SETBACK FROM ANY DISTRICT WHERE RESIDENTS ARE PERMITTED USE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE MINIMUM. AND THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER CAVEATS IN THE TMD, LIKE ALONG SOME PRINCIPAL STREETS THAT HAVE 3 TO 500 FOOT SETBACKS FOR FLAGSHIP PROJECT. SO WHEN I SAY MINIMUM, THAT'S TRULY THE MINIMUM.
THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT CAN CREATE OTHER 2 TO 300 FOOT SETBACKS. WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SINCE THE ADOPTION IS THAT THERE IS A STANDARD AND CODE IN RED THAT SAYS IF A BUILDING WILL EXCEED 65FT IN HEIGHT, THEN THAT MAKES THE MINIMUM SETBACK 300FT. SO THIS ISN'T A HEIGHT RESTRICTION. THIS IS A SETBACK RESTRICTION, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AND SO WE THINK THAT THAT WASN'T MEANT TO APPLY TO BOTH FLAGSHIP AND PRIMARY PROJECTS BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY DISJOINTED FROM WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE IN OUR LGA AND TYPICAL PROJECTS OUT THERE. SO OUR TMD RECOMMENDED UPDATES. SO I CATEGORIZED IT AGAIN. SO FOR THE FLAGSHIP PROJECTS, THAT 65 FOOT HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS WITH THE MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK WOULD APPLY JUST TO FLAGSHIP PROJECTS. AND SO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER SETBACKS WITH FLAGSHIP PROJECTS AND WITH OUR PROPOSED CODE UPDATES. IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO PRIMARY PROJECTS. AND SO IN ITALICS THERE. THAT'S JUST SOME ADDITIONAL NOTES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THE 100 FOOT BUILDING AND PAVEMENT SETBACK FOR RESIDENTIAL, ALONG WITH THAT MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPING STILL APPLIES. AND THEN ALSO IT'S TYPICAL IF YOU GO AROUND AND LOOK AT OUR LGA SECTIONS, THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL SETBACK IS A 50 FOOT PAVEMENT. AND IT'S KIND OF A FLIP OF A COIN BETWEEN 50 AND 100 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK. SO I WOULD SAY EVEN 100 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK FOR COMMERCIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IS MORE THAN TYPICAL. SO I GUESS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT HERE IS THAT IT'S STILL EXCEEDING THE LGA. THE TYPICAL STANDARDS WE SEE IN THE BUSINESS PARK TODAY. AND AGAIN, SO THE 300 FOOT JUST DOESN'T FIT WITHIN THE TYPICAL BUSINESS PARK DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THIS COULD BE ANYTHING FROM A MAGNANI SHOES, RIGHT? WHICH IS ON LIKE A FIVE ACRE LOT TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE 20 ACRES AND A LOT OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY PROJECT SIZE PARCELS COULDN'T EVEN FIT A 300 FOOT SETBACK TO BEGIN WITH. SO THIS IS MORE REASON WHY WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AND APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR THE TMD TO MOVE THAT 300 FOOT SETBACK FOR BUILDINGS HIGHER THAN 65FT TO JUST THE FLAGSHIP PROJECT CATEGORY. SO
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THAT'S ALL WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE TMD CODE UPDATES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SO FAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ON PLACES LIKE AEP WHERE THEY HAVE THE HEIGHT, WHAT'S THEIR SETBACK? THE AEP TRANSMISSION BUILDING? YEAH, THEY'VE GOT THE SORT OF THE TOWER IN THE CENTER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. ARCHITECTURALLY, THE PEAK. SO WE COULD CHECK THAT I KNOW THAT ARCHITECTURAL PEAK. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO EXCEED THE BUILDING HEIGHT STANDARD. SO ACROSS THE BOARD YEAH WE HAVE THAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES CAN EXCEED TYPICAL BUILDING HEIGHTS.I THINK THAT LARGE SETBACK THAT THEY HAVE WAS SELF-IMPOSED. AND I IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY STILL A 50 TO 100 FOOT SETBACK, BUT I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO CHECK THAT AND COME BACK TO THE COMPARABLES. I WAS LOOKING FOR COMPARABLES, PARTICULARLY WHERE WE'VE GONE PAST 65FT, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME TO MIND. OH YEAH, I THINK THAT ONE. YEAH, THERE'S LOTS OF THEM. OH IN HEIGHTS. YEAH. AND I THINK THE, THE FACEBOOK'S THE META'S I THINK A LOT OF THE NEWER WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS ARE, YOU KNOW 65 AND EXCEEDING. I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'VE SORT OF GONE AWAY FROM THAT HEIGHT BECAUSE WE STARTED DOING VARIANCES FOR THOSE. SO FOR THE AMAZONS, THE AMGEN'S, A FEW OTHERS. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE SORT OF AS THE BUSINESS PARK HAS EVOLVED, SO HAS OUR STANDARDS FOR, YOU KNOW, ROOFTOP SCREENING. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE REALLY CARE ABOUT MORE THAN THE HEIGHTS. AS LONG AS THE BUILDING LOOKS RIGHT AND IS SCREENED APPROPRIATELY, THEN I THINK WE'VE STILL SEEN SUCCESS WITH THAT. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. AMGEN'S PROBABLY A GREAT EXAMPLE WHERE AGAIN, WE'VE USED THIS LG STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE BUSINESS PARK. WE LOOKED AT THIS TMD TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH A PROJECT LIKE FACEBOOK OR, I'M SORRY, INTEL THAT HAS THIS, YOU KNOW, SEMICONDUCTOR INDUSTRY AND HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT? I THINK WHAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WAS THE PRIMARY PROJECTS THEMSELVES AND THOSE SITES, WHICH ARE MORE EITHER SUPPLIER PARK SITES OR HOW THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPED SO FAR, IS JUST EXTENSIONS OF THE BEAUTY PARK AND THE MANUFACTURING THAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE ALREADY. SO NOW WE'VE PUT THESE KIND OF LARGER STANDARDS ON THEM, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE LG. LG ZONING HAS. WOULD THEY BE BETTER OFF WITH LG INSTEAD OF TMD? SORRY. WOULD THEY BE BETTER OFF WITH LG THAN RATHER THAN TMD THEN? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE GREAT PARTS OF THE TMD IS THAT WE TOOK THE BEST OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN ALL OF THE LG E'S IN THE L PORTIONS OF ALL OF THE LG E'S, AND KIND OF COMBINE THAT AND CODIFIED DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE, INSTEAD OF THEM JUST BEING LIMITED OVERLAY STANDARDS. SO IF THEY IF THEY REZONE THEY WE WOULD LOSE THAT PIECE OF IT. AND SO THAT CODIFICATION IS IMPORTANT. IT SORT OF SETS CLEAR STANDARDS RIGHT OFF THE BAT FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW. AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE EXPECTATION WE SET SO FAR. THE SUPPLIER PARK HAS DEVELOPED WITH MORE TRADITIONAL BUSINESS PARK TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THERE IS STILL PARCELS LEFT IN THE SUPPLIER PARK THAT COULD BE RELATED TO THE SEMICONDUCTOR INDUSTRY. AND SO I THINK IT'S PREMATURE MAYBE TO CHANGE IT TO LG WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE INSIDE THAT ENVELOPE YET, AND TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE ENVELOPE ITSELF. OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE ADD THE LANGUAGE IN RED TO THE EXISTING TMD LANGUAGE? SO IT'S ALREADY THERE TODAY. TODAY IT APPLIES TO BOTH PRIMARY AND FLAGSHIP PROJECTS. YEAH WE WOULD JUST TWEAK IT. SO WE'RE TAKING IT OUT OF THE OTHER SECTION. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE'RE AND THE PROPOSAL WAS TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE OTHER SECTION BECAUSE IT'S VERY UNLIKELY TO APPLY. THAT'S RIGHT. OR IF IT DOESN'T WORK THEY'D HAVE TO COME TO VARIANCES. SO AGAIN I'M SORRY IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THOSE PARCELS. SO MOST OF THEM THEY VARY IN SIZE. THE PRIMARY PROJECT SIZE OF A PARCEL. THE SETBACKS DON'T WORK. AND SO WHAT WE'RE FINDING WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND GET VARIANCES. IT WOULD BE ONE VARIANCE AFTER ANOTHER FOR THAT. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROACTIVELY LOOK AT THE CODE. NOW THAT IT'S BEEN WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO OTHER THAN THE DSP PROJECT, HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY TEST IT OUT. AND SO NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN KIND OF TESTING IT OUT AND SEEING HOW IT WORKS, WE KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE OVERLOOKED BACK WHEN WE DID. THE TMD IS HOW THAT SETBACK WOULD APPLY TO SMALLER PRIMARY LOTS.
WE KNEW THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THAT FLAGSHIP PROJECT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HOW IT WOULD APPLY TO THOSE PRIMARY LOTS. SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ME WHEN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ARE ALSO IN
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THE COMMERCIAL TYPE PROPERTIES. BUT IF YOU'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A RESIDENTIAL AND YOU'RE EXCEEDING 65FT IN HEIGHT, DON'T YOU WANT TO HAVE A FURTHER SETBACK TO SEPARATE THE TWO USES? AND COULD IT BE THAT WE SAY THAT THE YOU COULD ONLY GO TO 65 AND 100FT SETBACK? UNLESS YOU CAN DO THAT, YOU CAN GO HIGHER THAN 65 IF YOUR ADJACENT ZONING IS COMMERCIAL. BUT IF YOU'RE A RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT WOULD BE A VARIANCE OR HAVE TO BE BACK. A FURTHER SETBACK.YEAH. SO I THINK EVERY LG THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE APPROVED ALLOW FOR LG ZONING DISTRICTS THAT DON'T HAVE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, OR IT'S 85FT OR MORE THAT HAVE THAT 50 TO 100 FOOT BUILDING AND PAVEMENT SETBACK. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BASING OFF LIKE WE. SO WE DO THAT TODAY. WE DO PROTECT IT, BUT IT'S WITH A 100 FOOT BUILDING SETBACKS. SO IT'S NOT DIFFERENT THAN THE LG TODAY OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THIS CODE UPDATE WOULD BRING IT IN LINE AND WE FEEL IT IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR MORE OF THOSE PRIMARY LG TYPE USES. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM THAT THE CITY IS SEEING FROM THIS LANGUAGE. BEING IN THE PRIMARY PROJECT SECTION. SO IT'S JUST OUT OF SCALE FOR THE SIZE OF THE TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, LG. SO IF YOU THINK OF A SUPPLY CHAIN VERTICAL THAT WE HAVE IN THE SMITHS MILL LOOP ROAD, SOME OF THOSE PARCELS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT EVEN 300FT WIDE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE AVERAGE ONE, I DIDN'T LOOK AT EVERY ONE. BUT I KIND OF LOOKED AND A LOT OF THEM WERE BETWEEN 3 TO 500FT IN WIDTH. SO I MEAN WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT, THAT THE CITY IS SEEING THAT'S TRYING TO BE CORRECTED HERE. I GET YOU'RE EXPLAINING THAT, THAT THIS SITUATION DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. OKAY. THAT'S FINE I GET THAT. BUT WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO FIX? BECAUSE I SEE TAKING THE LANGUAGE OUT AS REMOVING A TOOL THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO FIX SOMETHING OR ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT MAY COME UP THAT WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON. SO BEFORE I WANT TO SUGGEST TAKING A TOOL AWAY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIX BY TAKING THE TOOL DEVICE. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH, A LOT OF IT IS SIMPLY JUST LOSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTRACT PROSPECTS TO THOSE SITES BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS. THEY DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING SOMETHING THAT IS ENTITLED, LIKE IF IT'S NOT ENTITLED TO THEM BY RIGHT ON THE SITE, THEN WE'RE ELIMINATED FROM THE LIST IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THE SITE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT. THAT DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. AND AGAIN, IF IT WERE NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS IN OUR LGA, THEN MAYBE WE'D TAKE A DIFFERENT LOOK AT IT. BUT BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE BUSINESS PARK AND THE BUSINESS PARK IS DONE WELL, THEN WHERE IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO, NUMBER ONE, TELL AN APPLICANT LIKE, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH SOME OF THE PROSPECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO RESPOND TO. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT. I'VE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT OUR STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE CODE SECTIONS. SO YOU JUST RECENTLY LOOKED AT THE SIGN CODE IS AN EXAMPLE. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ANOTHER CODE HERE IN A MINUTE. WE'RE I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A STAFF, AND ALSO JUST BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF WORK THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PLATES, IS ELIMINATE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE JUST NOT NECESSARY. AND SO WE'RE TAKING KIND OF SOME OF THAT LOW HANGING FRUIT IN OUR CODE RIGHT NOW IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CODE, KIND OF ANTICIPATE WHAT COULD BE MULTIPLE OF THE SAME TYPES OF VARIANCES. BZA HAS ASKED US TO DO THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AS WELL, WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE THEY KEEP SEEING THE SAME KIND OF VARIANCES OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO THIS IS A PROACTIVE LOOK AT OUR CODE.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SEVERAL CODE UPDATES, NOT JUST TONIGHT. YOU SAW THE SIGN CODE ONE RECENTLY.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A COUPLE MORE COME TO YOU WHERE WE'RE JUST EVALUATING LIKE WHAT IS MAKING SENSE? WHAT ISN'T MAKING SENSE, WHAT'S MAKING IT HARD TO LAND PROSPECTS, BUT ALSO WHAT'S SETTING US UP. AND WE KNOW AND WE HAVE THE STAFF RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT, FOR THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE MULTIPLE VARIANCES FOR THE SAME ISSUE. THAT MAKES SENSE TO GIVE A VARIANCE TO. THAT'S EXACTLY THE ANSWER. YEAH. SO IT'S JUST HARD. AND I THINK AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER CODE TONIGHT THAT WE'VE STUDIED EXTENSIVELY FOR THE SAME REASON. AND WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND WE SCRATCH OUR HEADS AND WE'RE JUST LIKE THE CODE NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE. THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS, TO STEVE'S POINT, IS THAT WE WROTE THIS TMD ZONING AND BROUGHT IT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN RECORD TIME. I THINK EVERYONE THERE WAS MULTIPLE ATTORNEYS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID AN AMAZING JOB LOOKING THROUGH IT WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB. DAVE, I THINK YOU HAD A DOZEN AT LEAST CHANGES THAT NIGHT AT THE HEARING. I REMEMBER US MAKING. BUT LIKE WHEN YOU CREATE SOMETHING NEW LIKE THAT, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE IN APPLICATION. AND THERE'S A COUPLE CODES THAT WE HAVE THAT IN APPLICATION. WE SEE THEM AS BEING WE KNOW THE PROBLEMS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DOWN THE ROAD AND WE NEED TO FIX THEM. SO I WAS
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GOING TO SAY THE THING THAT POPPED INTO MY MIND IS JUST KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, INTEL HAS THIS VERY LONG, YOU KNOW, SILOED, I GUESS, PROCESS. IT'S ALL UNDERGROUND. BUT WHAT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, OH, WE DON'T WANT TO GO UNDERGROUND, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO UP? AND PRESUMABLY THEY COULD BECAUSE THERE'S NO HEIGHT LIMITATION. SO I JUST THAT'S THE THING THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD IS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE A TIME WHEN WE WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO RESTRICT SOME SORT OF HEIGHT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T? BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BUT I, I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE AND IT MAKES IT MAKES SENSE. I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT, 65FT ISN'T AS TALL AS IT USED TO BE. WELL, REMEMBER WE DID THOSE STUDIES WHEN WE CHANGED. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT WINDING HOLLOW, RIGHT? SO MOST OF WINDING HOLLOW, THAT ZONING DOESN'T HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION NOW BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THOSE STUDIES AND TRIED TO LOOK AT, I THINK AEP WAS THE ONE THAT WE STARTED WITH AND THEN POTENTIALLY OHIOHEALTH ACROSS THE STREET. AND THAT THAT ZONING APPLICATION, AMGEN, WE REALIZED PRETTY QUICKLY THAT 65FT WASN'T TYPICAL FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. AND IN FACT, IT ALMOST MADE IT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH WHAT IT SHOULD BE. THEIR BUILDINGS WERE A LITTLE TOO SQUATTY FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU KIND OF WENT AROUND AND TOOK A LOOK AT THEM. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, THOUGH. I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT CHALLENGES EVEN INTEL HAS HAD WITH THE THEY WILL HAVE SOME HEIGHT, THEY HAVE UNDERGROUND, BUT THEY WILL HAVE SOME HEIGHT TOO, EVEN JUST WITH FAA REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ONCE YOU GET UP TO 85FT, YOU'RE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT. RIGHT, LIKE ZONE OF, OF APPROVALS. SO WE AGREE WITH THAT TOO. BUT I THINK WE'VE RUN THE RISK OF THAT WITH ALL THE GE SITES THERE. WE FIRST STARTED THIS 45FT AT OCD WAS AS TALL AS IT GOT RIGHT. WELL THE SIGNATURE OFFICE BUILDING LIKE LOOK AT YOU KNOW, WALTON PARKWAY. ALL THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG THERE 45FT HEIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF WHAT YOUR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DIVERSIFYING IN THE INDUSTRY MIX THAT WE ARE THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE. SO AND OUR FIREFIGHTING CAPABILITIES IMPROVED GREATLY. YEAH. YEAH I THINK 45FT IS ACTUALLY VERY RESIDENTIAL IN SCALE. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF LIKE HEIGHT STUDIES, AND I THINK A LOT OF OUR HOMES THAT ARE TWO AND A HALF STORIES, THEY ARE EASILY 35, 40FT. A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW MAX HEIGHT OF 45FT AS WELL. SO IT'S EASY, EASY TO ACHIEVE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. SO WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE FLOODPLAIN. SO YEAH NEXT IS UPDATE TO OUR FLOODPLAIN CODE. SO RECENTLY FEMA HAS RELEASED NEW FLOODPLAIN MAPS. AND SO THEY'VE RELEASED IT FOR ALL OF OR AT LEAST MOST SECTIONS OF LICKING COUNTY. SO WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.AND SO ONCE AGAIN, DSV HAS COME UP AND SHOWN US SORT OF THE DEFICIENCIES IN OUR CODE. AGAIN, DSV HAS DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT. THEY JUST SO HAPPEN TO SORT OF BE OUR LITMUS TEST. BUT DSV IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE THEY'VE BUILT AND THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, AND NOW THEY'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. AND SO THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND POSSIBLY VARIANCES FOR THEIR CURRENT SITES. AND VAN TRUST ALSO HAS A NEIGHBORING DSV SITE TO THE NORTH, THE VACANT SITES THAT DUE TO THESE FLOODPLAIN MAP UPDATES IS RENDERING IT, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY OR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT'S UNDEVELOPABLE. AND SO THESE FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS ARE BASED ON TEN YEAR OLD DATA. WE, YOU KNOW, GROW SO FAST HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S JUST NOT RELEVANT. AND SO THERE'S BEEN MANY CHANGES IN NEW ALBANY. SO WHAT WE'VE REALIZED THAT THROUGH THESE LICKING COUNTY FEMA MAPS. AND THEN ALSO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE FRANKLIN COUNTY FEMA MAPS RELEASED SOON TO IN FACT, WE'RE STARTING TO STUDY THOSE THE DRAFT COPIES. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS, BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT THEM AND YOU CAN EASILY EYEBALL THAT. THIS IS GOING TO RESULT IN A LOT OF VARIANCES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND SO WE DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE SPIRIT AND INTENT WHEN WE DID THIS FLOODPLAIN CODE UPDATE. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH FEMA AND SHAWN ARDEN IS HERE TODAY. SO HE IS THE EXPERT ON ALL THINGS FLOODPLAIN. SO HE SHAWN IS THE DIRECTOR OF WATER RESOURCES ENGINEERING AT FEMA. HE HAS 25 YEARS EXPERIENCE OF FLOODPLAIN AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. AND HE'S YOU'RE ALSO A FLOODPLAIN AND ADMINISTRATOR. IS THAT RIGHT? SO A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. SO I TAKE THAT AS NOT ONLY CAN HE WRITE THE CODE, HE CAN ADMINISTER THE CODE AS WELL. SO WE BROUGHT IN THE BEST OF THE BEST TO DO THIS CODE UPDATE BECAUSE CANDIDLY AND SHAWN WILL GO THROUGH ALL THIS. I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HIS THUNDER, BUT OURS IS. OUR CURRENT CODE IS VERY CONFUSING, AND THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT, A LOT OF VARIANCES IF WE DON'T DO AN UPDATE. AND SO I'LL HAND IT OVER
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TO SHAWN HERE SO HE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE GOALS AND INTENTS OF OUR CODE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU STEVEN. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT. SO AS WAS INTRODUCED, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. THE PRIMARY ONE IS CHAPTER 1155 WHICH DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE FLOOD DAMAGE REDUCTION. BUT THERE IS A CARRYOVER TO 1170 103, THE LANDSCAPING CODE, WHICH SPEAKS TO PROTECTION OF RIPARIAN AREAS. SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS IS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED. ELIMINATING AMBIGUITY AND CONFLICTING LANGUAGE BETWEEN THE CODES, MAKING SURE THE APPLICANTS ARE CLEAR ON WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE GOING INTO A SUBMITTAL FOR THE CITY.IMPROVING STANDARDIZATION WITH THE STATE MODEL CODE AND THE CURRENT VERSION. I BELIEVE THE CURRENT FLOOD CODE WAS ADOPTED AROUND 2016 2017, AND THE STATE OF OHIO UPDATED THEIR MODEL FLOOD CODE IN 2019 AND THEN, AS WAS NOTED, TYING THE CODE TO THE NEW FEMA MAPS THAT WERE RELEASED IN LICKING COUNTY, AND THE UPCOMING MAPS FOR FRANKLIN COUNTY. SO SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE FLOOD CODE. CHAPTER 1155. THERE'S TWO MAIN PURPOSES FOR THIS CHAPTER. THE FIRST GOAL HERE IS TO IMPLEMENT THE FEDERAL MINIMUM FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ENABLE THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM. THIS IS A CARROT AND STICK APPROACH THAT FEMA ADOPTED WAY BACK IN THE 1970S. AND IN ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY CITIZENS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR SUBSIDIZED FLOOD INSURANCE, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO ADOPT A MINIMUM SET OF STANDARDS. SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY GOAL FOR THIS SECTION. BUT THERE'S ALSO A SECOND GOAL THAT ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO ADOPT HIGHER STANDARDS THAT THEY FEEL ARE APPROPRIATE FOR REGULATING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN WHAT'S CALLED A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT CONCEPT IN JUST A MINUTE. SO ITEMS THAT ARE KEY TO THIS CODE THAT ARE GOING TO REMAIN UNCHANGED WITH THIS UPDATE. THE FIRST ONE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO FOLLOW THE STRUCTURE THAT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE STATE'S MODEL CODE. WE WANT TO KEEP THAT STRUCTURE FOR SIMPLICITY. IT ALSO HELPS WITH THE STATE OF OHIO WHEN THEY DO COME TO TOWN PERIODICALLY TO AUDIT THE CITY'S FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MEET THE OBLIGATION TO INCORPORATE THE FEDERAL MINIMUM STANDARDS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE BODY THAT HEARS APPEALS AND VARIANCES, AND THEN TWO HIGHER STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT CODE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING IS A REQUIREMENT FOR FLOODPLAIN COMPENSATORY STORAGE VOLUME. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT CONCEPT, THAT REQUIRES AN APPLICANT, IF THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PLACE FILL MATERIAL WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, THEY HAVE TO EXCAVATE AT LEAST A EQUAL AMOUNT OF MATERIAL FROM THE FLOODPLAIN. AND IN NEW ALBANY, IT'S ACTUALLY 105% OF THE FIELDS PROPOSED WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, A REQUIREMENT, THE LOWEST FLOOR ELEVATION FOR NEW BUILDINGS TO BE TWO FEET ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION. SO THERE ARE THREE MAIN TOPICS OR BUCKETS THAT I WOULD SAY ARE PROPOSED. REVISIONS FALL UNDER. THE FIRST ONE IS SHORING UP WHERE THIS CODE IS APPLICABLE. CURRENTLY, THERE'S THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN AND DEFINES A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND OPEN TO SOME DISCRETION BY CITY STAFF. THERE'S ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, THAT CONNECTIVITY TO THE LANDSCAPING CODE THAT'S REFERENCED WITHIN THE FLOOD DAMAGE CODE, THE LANDSCAPING CODE FOR RIPARIAN PROTECTION STARTS AT 50 ACRES OF DRAINAGE AREA. SO WE WANT TO SHORE THIS UP AND MAKE SURE IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR ON WHERE THIS FLOOD CODE BECOMES APPLICABLE. SO THE SOLUTION WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TO RESET THAT THRESHOLD TO THE FEMA MAPPED FLOODPLAIN AREAS.
THESE ARE THE BLUE AREAS ON THE FLOOD INSURANCE RATE MAP PANELS OF ZONE A'S TO ZONE A'S. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE MODEL CODE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS OF YOUR PEER COMMUNITIES IN CENTRAL OHIO. THE SECOND TOPIC SPEAKS TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITHIN THESE FLOOD HAZARD AREAS THAT ARE GOVERNED BY THIS FLOOD CODE. THE CURRENT CODE EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS NEW RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN FLOOD HAZARD AREAS AND DOES NOT PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR ANY ENGINEERING OR MODIFICATION OF THOSE AREAS.
AND I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN SOME MODELS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH WHERE A
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DEVELOPER IS JUST TRYING TO SQUARE OFF AN AREA THAT HE'S TRYING TO BUILD IN. BUT THESE FLOOD HAZARDS TRACK BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND. SO THEY'RE IRREGULARLY SHAPED. SO A DEVELOPER MAY WANT TO PLACE COMPACTED FILL TO REMOVE SOME OF THAT AREA FROM THE FLOOD HAZARD.EXCAVATING ANOTHER AREA TO OVIDPRE THAT COMPENSATORY STORAGE THAT'S REQUIRED. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, THE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE FROM THIS COMMITTEE. SO WE WANT TO REMOVE THAT NEED, AS WE WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT REMOVING THE NEED FOR EXCESS VARIANCES. THIS IS THIS REVISION IS RIGHT ALONG THOSE LINES. AND IT'S NOT REMOVING AND MAKING IT THE WILD WILD WEST HERE FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAINS. I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. THERE ARE SET STANDARDS THAT THE MODEL CODE HAS, AND FRANKLY, THAT THE CITY ALSO ALREADY HAS. THAT WOULD APPLY FOR DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS THAT FEMA HAS MAPPED AS AN EXISTING 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. THESE WOULD CONTINUE TO REQUIRE THE COMPENSATORY STORAGE VOLUME, PRESERVATION OF THE RIPARIAN AREAS, AND AGAIN, HAVING ALL NEW STRUCTURES AT LEAST TWO FEET ABOVE THAT 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION ON SUITABLE COMPACTED FILL. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER THREE SPEAKS TO CLARIFICATION ON THE RIPARIAN AREA PROTECTION. SO THIS IS THE OVERLAP BETWEEN CHAPTERS 1155 AND 1171. RIGHT NOW AGAIN, THE RIPARIAN PROTECTION IS DISCUSSED IN BOTH CODES, WHICH APPLY TO DIFFERENT LANDS WITH DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS FOR REGULATION. THE 1170 103 CODE APPLIES TO STREAMS DRAINING 50 ACRES OR MORE, WHICH IS NOT TIED TO ANY STREAM SPECIFIC INFORMATION. IT'S A CONSTANT VALUE. IT'S AN EASY NUMBER TO REMEMBER, BUT YOUR STREAM CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO VARY FROM STREAM TO STREAM ON HOW IT BEHAVES AND THE CONDITIONS IT EXHIBITS. AT A 50 ACRE DRAINAGE AREA. MARK CHAPTER 1171 ALSO DOES NOT LIST ANY PERMISSIBLE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR. FRANKLY, ANY ENCROACHMENTS WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR WOULD BE PROHIBITED AND REQUIRE A VARIANCE THE WAY THE CODE READS. SO OUR RECOMMENDED SOLUTIONS ARE. STRIP THE RIPARIAN PROTECTION LANGUAGE FROM THE FLOOD CODE. IT REALLY DOESN'T BELONG THERE. PROVIDE A REFERENCE TO 1170 103 AND HAVE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFIC TO RIPARIAN PROTECTION IN THE 1170 103 RESET, THE APPLICABILITY TO STREAMS DESIGNATED AS EITHER PERENNIAL OR INTERMITTENT. ON A USGS PUBLICATION. WE HAVE A SLIDE COMING UP. THEY'LL SHOW YOU HOW THAT DIFFERENTIATES TO THE CURRENT 50 ACRE THRESHOLD, AND THEN ADD A SUITABLE LIST OF PERMISSIBLE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE RIPARIAN AREA. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE WIDTH OF THE RIPARIAN AREA. THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES 100 FOOT WIDE CORRIDOR THAT IS TO REMAIN. SO. THIS IS A LIST OF PERMISSIBLE ENCROACHMENTS THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING FOR INCLUSION IN CHAPTER 1170 103. THIS CARRIES SIGNIFICANTLY FROM A SIMILAR LIST THAT THE CITY OF COLUMBUS USES FOR THEIR STREAM CORRIDOR, PROTECTION ZONE, PERMISSIBLE ENCROACHMENTS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS TO HAVE JUST A LIST THAT'S CODIFIED, THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPTABLE AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE FOR THESE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES WITHIN THAT RIPARIAN CORRIDOR. AND IF I COULD JUST ADD A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE THINGS WE ALREADY DO TODAY BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, LIKE THINGS LIKE PUTTING LEISURE TRAILS WITHIN THOSE CORRIDORS. THAT'S WHERE WE WANT THOSE. SO I THINK BOTH, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION HAS SOME SORT OF LIKE PATH ALONG THE CREEK. I MEAN, LEGALLY WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO LOTS. SO THOSE CROSSINGS WE DO TODAY AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN TREE PRESERVATION ZONES, REGARDLESS IF IT'S A PRESERVATION OR WHAT TYPE OF PRESERVATION ZONE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY FORESTER, WE'VE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO IMPLEMENT AND PRACTICE GOOD FORESTRY, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AS WELL. AND WE HAVE TWO ITEMS AT THE END HERE. THIS ONE HERE, THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER.
IT'S BASICALLY A GRANDFATHER ITEM. ANYTHING THAT WAS IN PLACE BEFORE THIS CODE UPDATE WAS ENACTED WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS A CATCHALL. WE WANT THE CODE TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND WORKABLE. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CITY STAFF FEELS MEETS THE INTEREST OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, WE WANT THAT TO BE A PERMISSIBLE ENCROACHMENT AS WELL. SO MOWING THE UNDERSTORY AND PUTTING GRASS DOWN IS NOT ON THIS LIST. IS A STANDARD PROBLEM WE HAVE WHEN RESIDENTIAL TOUCHES ARE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR OR A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS THAT PEOPLE WILL MOW THE GRASS UNTIL THEY ARE IN DANGER OF FALLING INTO THE STREAM, WHICH IDEALLY YOU WOULD WANT THEM NOT TO DO. THAT'S AGAINST THE PURPOSE OF FOLLOWING THE STREAM. I COULD DEBATE WITH
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YOU, BUT. THE MOWING THE GRASS PART AND LOWERING THE GRASS IN THE CREEK IS NOT ON THE LIST.NO, THE CLOSEST THING WE HAVE THEIR REVEGETATION OR FORESTRY, REFORESTATION WITH NATIVE SPECIES, SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN THE STREAMSIDE SETTING. IDEALLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TURF GRASS. IT'S MOWED ALL THE WAY UP TO THE STREAM BANK. GOOD. SO THIS IS THE MAP THAT I ALLUDED TO EARLIER. THIS IS THE AN EXCERPT FROM THE USGS NATIONAL MAP PRODUCT. THE BLUE SOLID LINES ARE PERENNIAL STREAMS. THE BLUE DASHED LINES ARE INTERMITTENT STREAMS. THESE MAROON DOTS, THESE ARE ROUGHLY THE AREAS WHERE SELECT CHANNELS CURRENTLY HAVE A 50 ACRE DRAINAGE AREA. SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR RIPARIAN CODE, AS IT STANDS TODAY, WOULD START.
AND THEN THESE RED ARROWS, THESE ARE POINTING TO WHERE THE BLUE LINE STREAMS STOP ON THE USGS MAP, WITH THEIR CORRESPONDING DRAINAGE AREA. SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN HOW YOUR CURRENT CODE WOULD REGULATE AREAS VERSUS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING AT THIS. I'LL CALL IT 30,000 FOOT LEVEL. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE AREAS OR SCOPE THAT YOU'RE REGULATING, BUT IT DOES TIE DOWN, WE THINK, TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC TO THE INDIVIDUAL STREAM CHANNELS. THIS SPOT HERE IS A LITTLE ODD. IT'S BY ITSELF JUST NORTH OF 161. THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE A BLUE LINE CHANNEL THROUGH THERE IS A DECENT SECTION OF THAT CHANNEL HAS BEEN PIPED UNDERNEATH THE INTERSECTION. SO THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE REVISIONS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. AGAIN, EVERYTHING FALLS INTO ONE OF THOSE THREE GENERAL BUCKETS THAT WE WALK THROUGH. I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE MEMBERS HAVE. AND SO FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, IN THE PAST, IF SOMEBODY WAS IN A FLOOD ZONE, THEY COULDN'T JUST BUILD UP, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME GET A VARIANCE. CORRECT. NOW YOU'RE SAYING IF AS LONG AS THEY BUILD UP A TWO FEET ABOVE FLOODPLAIN LEVEL, THEN THEY CAN GO FORWARD WITHOUT A VARIANCE. THAT'S CORRECT. AS LONG AS THEY FOLLOW THE ACCEPTED STANDARDS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE, THEY WOULD NOT NEED A VARIANCE. YEAH. SO YOU STILL PROVIDE THE I'M SORRY CODING CAPACITY THAT THEY TOOK AWAY. RIGHT. YEAH. OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE TO DO THAT 100%. WE DO 105%. SO IF YOU ENCROACH AND WHAT OTHER THINGS SHAWN MENTIONED IS THAT SO WE'RE NOT LETTING DEVELOPERS GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING. THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE STATE PERMITTING. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE SAME REVIEW PROCESSES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO. OTHERWISE. IT JUST ALLOWS STAFF TO DO THAT TECHNICAL REVIEW NOW. CORRECT. AND AGAIN, KIND OF GOES BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CODES PROACTIVELY. BUT WHY NOW SPECIFICALLY THE LICKING COUNTY FEMA MAP? I MEAN IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS WHAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING EXTENSIVELY, BUT DSV FOR HALF OF THAT BUILDING TO BE WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN AND NOW THEY CAN'T GET INSURANCE. AND I MEAN, THAT JUST DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE. AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE FRANKLIN COUNTY DRAFT MAPS, IF YOU WILL, AND THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES THAT WE KNOW ARE NOT IN A FLOODPLAIN. THE GOOD NEWS IS FEMA IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROCESS TO WORK THROUGH IT. BUT PART OF THAT PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE, EITHER HOMEOWNERS OR BUSINESSES TO GET VARIANCES. AND SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A MORE PRACTICAL WAY TO ADMINISTRATE THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OVER THE NEXT PRETTY MUCH YEAR. THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAD, AND WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO STEVE'S, BEEN SPEAKING TO ODNR IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE ABOVE WHAT EVERYBODY HAS, THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THOSE AS WELL. SO THIS IS IN NO WAY INTENDED TO DILUTE OUR HIGH PRACTICES, OUR STANDARDS. IT'S JUST MAYBE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE OUT OF THE PRACTICAL REALITY OF WHAT WE HAVE. AND ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT A FLOODPLAIN CODE IS THAT IT HAS TO GO BEFORE THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES ODNR, AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY REVIEW IT. SO WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU ON FEBRUARY 19TH WITH THE FORMAL CODE UPDATE THAT WILL HAVE BEEN VETTED AND REVIEWED BY ODNR TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLYING WITH ALL FEMA'S STANDARDS. SO WE GET SO IF SOMEONE BUILT A BUILDING IN GOOD FAITH AND THE AND THEY WERE GOOD UNDER THE OLD MAP, WE GRANDFATHERED THEM IN. THANK YOU. PARDON ME. YOU CAN'T YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH. THEY JUST CAN'T BE GRANDFATHERED. WE'RE. DOES THIS NOT PROVIDE A WAY TO DO THAT OR DID I MISS SOMETHING.
SO ONCE FEMA HAS MAPPED A FLOOD HAZARD AREA ON THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE RATE, MAPS ARE PRODUCED A FLOOD INSURANCE STUDY FOR FEMA. THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS MODIFY THE ELEVATION OR THE HORIZONTAL EXTENTS OF THAT FLOODPLAIN. FEMA IS NOT GOING TO DELETE THE FLOODPLAIN. SO ONCE A
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STRUCTURE IS BUILT, IF A STRUCTURE IS BUILT AND THERE WAS NO FLOOD HAZARD MAPPED BY FEMA ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEN YEARS GO BY, FEMA ISSUES A MAP UPDATE, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE A NEW FLOOD PLAIN THAT WASN'T MAPPED THERE BEFORE. THAT HAPPENS. AND WE SEE THAT IN THE LINCOLN COUNTY AREA, THE PORTIONS THAT WERE NOT MAPPED FLOODPLAIN BEFORE, PORTIONS WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN HAS EXPANDED VERSUS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE LAST JULY. THOSE PROPERTIES WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CURRENT FLOOD CODE FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR PROPERTY.IF THEY HAVE A MORTGAGE THAT IS SUBSIDIZED OR SUBSIDIZED BY A FEDERAL BACKED LENDING INSTITUTION, THEN THEY WILL. THAT PROPERTY OWNER WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE FOR THAT STRUCTURE, AS LONG AS THE MORTGAGE IS IN PLACE. THERE ARE SUBSIDIZED INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR THESE STRUCTURES. THEY CALL THEM PREFERRED PREFERRED INSURANCE RATE MAP STRUCTURES, BUT THEY ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND BELOW THE FLOOD ELEVATION. ON THE NEW MAPS.
HYPOTHETICALLY. SO THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE RULES AND INSURANCE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME. IN THAT SCENARIO, THOUGH, AREN'T THERE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES YOU CAN HAVE A SURVEY DONE? AND IF IT SHOWS THAT IT'S HIGHER THAN THE ELEVATION NEEDED, IT WILL REMOVE IT FROM THE FLOODPLAIN. AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROCESS THAT WAS GOING THROUGH WITH THE DSP PROJECTS WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT. IT'S ON A HIGH GROUND, AND THAT PROJECT IS TEN FEET ABOVE THE FLOOD ELEVATION THAT FEMA USED FOR THEIR MAPPING. SO A SURVEY WAS PERFORMED, MAPPING WAS PRODUCED THAT SHOWED THE AREA THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MAPPED, THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO FEMA FOR REVIEW. SO THE MAP COULD BE AMENDED. SO THERE IS A PROCESS FOR AMENDING THE MAPS.
IF FEMA IS ERRONEOUS WITH THEIR MAPPING OF THE FLOOD HAZARD. AND PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO, IS THAT THE PROCESS NOW IN OUR CURRENT CODE IS JUST NOT CLEAR. LIKE IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME IF YOU NEED A VARIANCE, I CANDIDLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU BECAUSE THE CODE IS NOT CLEAR. LIKE PART OF THE. THE UPDATE OF THIS CODE IS TO CREATE A CLEAR PROCESS SO RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, DEVELOPERS, STAFF KNOW EXACTLY YOU KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BASED ON WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS IN THE FUTURE. IT'S NOT ONLY FOR THE APPLICANTS, BUT AS I SAID, PERIODICALLY FEMA AND OR ODNR WILL COME TO TOWN TO PERFORM AN AUDIT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ADMINISTERING THE CODE AS IT WAS WRITTEN. SO CLARITY IS GOING TO BE YOUR YOUR FRIEND, YOUR ALLY IN THOSE MEETINGS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU ARE ADMINISTERING IT AS IT WAS INTENDED. SO OUT OF IDLE CURIOSITY, SOMEONE HAS GOT A DEVELOPABLE PIECE OF LAND, A NEW MAP COMES OUT, AND NOW THERE'S A BIG BLUE INK MARK ON IT, AND THEY HAVE NO RECOURSE BUT TO DEAL WITH THE FLOODPLAIN. THEIR ONLY THEIR ONLY RECOURSE WOULD BE IF THEY CHALLENGED THE ACCURACY OF THE MAPPING. SO ONCE FEMA HAS IDENTIFIED A FLOOD HAZARD AREA ON A STREAM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WALK IT BACK. BUT THEY WILL REVIEW TECHNICAL DATA THAT MEETS THEIR MODELING AND MAPPING STANDARDS TO DETERMINE IF MAYBE THEY MISSED SOMETHING. MAYBE AS AS WAS NOTED, THIS CURRENT MAPPING EXERCISE THAT FEMA IS ROLLING THROUGH, THEY STARTED THAT WORK AROUND 2013. SOME OF THE CALCULATIONS AND SURVEYS THAT WENT INTO THAT DATA, THAT'S 2015, 2017 ERA. SO THAT'S ALREADY PUSHING TEN YEARS OUT OF DATE. SO IF YOUR AREA HAS DEVELOPED, IF FEMA SURVEY DATA IS OUT OF DATE, IF YOUR ENGINEER CONSULTANT CAN IDENTIFY HIGHER QUALITY DATA, THAT WOULD WARRANT A CHANGE IN FEMA'S REPRESENTATION OF THE FLOOD HAZARD. FEMA WILL EVALUATE THAT. AND IF THE SUBMITTAL MEETS THEIR STANDARDS, THEY WILL UPDATE THE MAP REFLECTING THAT SUBMITTAL. RIGHT. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO COUNT, IS IT? TAKING OF ANY KIND FOR, SAY, IN THE LEGAL SENSE THAT THE MAP CHANGED AND NOW MY PROPERTY IS VALUED, JUST CRATERED BECAUSE I CAN'T DEVELOP IT WITHOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF MITIGATION THAT A YEAR AGO I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO. YEAH, IT'S NOT BEEN REVIEWED IN THE COURTS AS A CHANGING CONDITION. WHAT FEMA WOULD SAY IS THAT FLOOD HAZARD WAS ALWAYS THERE. YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU,
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THANK YOU, THANK TAKES US TO POLL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. BRUCE. I SAID FOR THE US 62 DEVELOPMENT AREA, THAT OPEN HOUSE IS NEXT TUESDAY THE 11TH IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE WORKSHOPS AND THE MEETINGS AND I HAD TO GO OUT OF TOWN LAST MINUTE, SO I DIDN'T GO TO THE LAST ONE. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BIG TOPICS IS, IS IT ZONE BASED OR IS IT, YOU KNOW,[01:10:02]
DIFFERENT TYPE OF ZONING. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL NEED TO WORK THROUGH AS IT COMES TO US. BUT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE ABOUT IT, THE MORE LANDED NEXT TUESDAY AT SEVEN. IT'S AT 6:00, 6:00, AND IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE NEW BRICKHOUSE BLUE INNOVATE NEW ALBANY SPACE AT 775 WALTON PARKWAY. SO NOT THE CENTER. SO COME AT LEAST TO SEE THE NEW SPACE. YEAH, YEAH. TO COME TO VISIT THE NEW FACILITY IF. YEAH. IF NOT THE 62 STRATEGIC EDGE BUILDING. IT'S WATER'S EDGE ONE. YEAH. YES. OKAY. YOU GUYS HAVE A NICE LARGE SPACE. THERE. TOO. IT IS ABSOLUTELY SPECTACULAR. AND WE OPENED WITH MORE OFFICES AND SPACES LEASED THAN ANY OTHER BRICKHOUSE BLUE FACILITY ON OPENING DAY. AND SO COME AND SEE IT. IT'S ABSOLUTELY. THEY JUST FINISHED THE MOSS WALL AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED A PERMIT FOR THAT. AND SO IF YOU DON'T COME TO SEE THE 62 OPEN HOUSE, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST JUST COME AND TOUR THE FACILITY. THEY'VE COME. NO COMMENT FROM ME. NO COMMENTS, NOTHING FROM ME* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.