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SORRY. HERE. HERE. MR. HARPER. MR. PRESIDENT. MR. BAKER. HERE. MR. STEVENS. HERE. HERE. THERE ARE FIVE. GREAT. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE
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MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR CORRECTIONS? MOVE TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND? MR. PAUL? YES. MR. YES. MISS. YES. YES. MR. YES. OKAY. SO LOOKS LIKE FROM THE AGENDA, WE'RE GOING TO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS TO ATTEND TO. I ASSUME THERE'S NOTHING LISTED ON THE AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS TOWARDS OLD BUSINESS? NO. OKAY, GREAT. ANY ANYTHING BESIDES THE PRESENTATION ON ENGAGE NEW ALBANY? DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS? NOPE. OKAY, GREAT. SO GIVEN ALL THAT, WE'RE GOING TO[VI. Other Business]
HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY FROM THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. SO WE HAVE SOME PRESENTERS FOR THAT. GREAT. DO I HAVE TO SWEAR THEM IN. YEAH. OKAY. SO ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING NEEDS TO STAND UP, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? THE WHOLE TRUTH? OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THIS. JUST ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I GREAT, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE CAN HAVE OUR FIRST PRESENTER. YES. I'M JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, I'M CHRIS CHRISTIAN. I'M ON OUR PLANNING TEAM. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN INTRODUCTION TO KIND OF WHAT YOU'D BE SEEING TODAY. SO THE CITY BACK IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR STARTED DOWN A PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE US 62 INTERCHANGE FOCUS AREA. AND MACASKILL WILL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL OF WHAT ALL THIS ENCOMPASSED IN THAT AREA. BUT THIS WILL SERVE AS AN UPDATE TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE TO OUR LAND USE MAP. SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A PRESENTATION TODAY AS AN FYI. THIS WILL BE THE NEW, YOU KNOW, PENDING GETTING THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS WITH CITY COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE THE NEW LAND USE DOCUMENT THAT WILL GUIDE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IN THIS AREA. WE STARTED THIS AGAIN BACK IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS. THIS IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WE'VE EVER HAD IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE. AND IT WAS THIS ISN'T BEEN TO SOUND BAD, BUT THAT REALLY WASN'T OUR INTENTION WHEN WE STARTED IT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED TO BE MAYBE AN EIGHT MONTH PROCESS, AND WE'RE HERE NOW MONTHS, 12 TO 15 MONTHS OUT FROM THAT. WE'RE STILL GOING.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GREAT PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT'S REALLY DRIVEN THE FORMATION OF THIS PLAN. SO I'LL PASS IT OFF TO CHRIS INTRODUCE. YEAH. AND JUST I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS APPLIES ONLY WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF NEW ALBANY, NOT TO THE TOWNSHIP OR TO THE PORTIONS THAT ARE IN COLUMBUS THAT ARE PART OF THE ROCKY FORK ACCORD IS IT'S ONLY WITHIN NEW ALBANY ITSELF, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. BUT YOU'LL SEE AREAS OF IT. YOU'LL SEE AREAS IN THE IN THE PLAN. THE PLAN AREA DOES HAVE GROUND THAT'S CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE TOWNSHIP. BUT IF IT WERE TO BE ANNEXED AND REZONED TO THE CITY THEN THIS WOULD APPLY TO IT.
THAT DOESN'T AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP. THANK YOU CHRIS. ONE OTHER QUESTION TOO. SO DOES THIS NEED APPROVAL IN THE CITY? LIKE DOES WHERE DOES IT GO FROM HERE? INFORMATIONAL TO LIKE WHAT'S THE PROCESS. SO IT'LL WE WILL DO. WE'RE DOING AN INFORMAL PRESENTATION WITH YOU GUYS ONE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN THEY MAKE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY ADOPT IT. SO THAT WILL HAPPEN TENTATIVELY. WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 20TH. IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS, CHRIS. YEAH.
NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT. AND ALSO IF YOU ARE PRESENTING, JUST JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND WHO YOU REPRESENT. HELLO. SORRY, MY NAME IS SARAH LILLY. I'M A ASSOCIATE AND A PLANNER WITH MCCSC. AND WITH ME ARE MY COLLEAGUES. CHRIS HERMANN, WHO'S A PRINCIPAL WITH MCCSC, AND YONKO SWART, WHO'S A PLANNER. AND WE ALL HAVE BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. AND WE'LL KIND OF SHARE
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VARIOUS PIECES OF IT WITH YOU ALL TODAY. BUT WE HAVE JUST A FEW KIND OF THINGS WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE THOUGHT WERE MOST PERTINENT TO YOUR PANEL. FIRSTLY, JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN ADDENDUM. CHRIS KIND OF MENTIONED, BUT THIS IS REALLY IT'S AN ADDENDUM TO THE ENGAGEMENT ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT REALLY ZOOMED IN TO THIS ONE SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHY. SO KIND OF LIKE A FOCUS AREA WHICH THIS AREA WAS IDENTIFIED. THE A PIECE OF THIS AREA WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, THE TSALI INDUSTRIAL PARK. BUT IT WILL OVERRIDE THE EXISTING LAND USE AND THOROUGHFARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY ADOPTED. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE GOAL OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS HERE. YOU KIND OF SEE THE AREA WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT IN RELATION TO THE CITY BOUNDARY AND THE ROCKY FORK BOUNDARY. SO IT'S REALLY ALL OF THAT BLUE AREA NORTH OF 161 ALONG THE US 62 CORRIDOR, UP TO LIKE CENTRAL COLLEGE. AND IT DOES INCLUDE A SMALL PIECE LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED, A LITTLE TRIANGLE NEAR THE FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION OF. OH, SURE. DOES THIS HAVE A POINTER? YOU KNOW, AT ALL? OKAY. THANK. SO THIS LITTLE PIECE RIGHT THERE IS IN THE TOWNSHIP. SO AS CHRIS MENTIONED, IF THE AREA WERE TO ANNEX, THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS PLAN WOULD APPLY. THE REST OF IT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARY. SORRY. HOW MANY ACRES? APPROXIMATELY IN THIS AREA? 573. YEAH. YEAH. HERE'S JUST A FEW MORE PHOTOS FOR CONTEXT OF WHAT THIS INCLUDES. SO IT INCLUDES A LOT OF SOME BUSINESS PARK USES. SO LIKE THE OLD JUSTICE HEADQUARTERS, THAT TSALI INDUSTRIAL PARK SECTION THAT I MENTIONED, WHICH IS ONE OF THE OLDEST SECTIONS OF THE BUSINESS PARK IN NEW ALBANY. THE MOUNT CARMEL SURGICAL HOSPITAL.AND THEN ALONG US 62, A LOT OF SUBURBAN KIND OF TYPE OF RETAIL DRIVE THROUGH RETAIL, AUTO ORIENTED, AND THEN A LOT OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL KIND OF LOTS AROUND BILHEIMER CENTRAL COLLEGE AND THEN KITZMILLER DOWN HERE. WHAT WHAT FORM BOUNDARIES AS FAR AS LIKE EAST AND WEST AND SO FORTH? I UNDERSTAND SOUTH AND NORTH, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHY WHY THE BOUNDARY ENDS. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE BLACKLICK CREEK REALLY FORMED OUR EASTERN BOUNDARY. AND FROM THIS POINT ON, IT REALLY DOES BECOME PRIMARILY THE NEW ALBANY BUSINESS PARK TO THE EAST, OBVIOUSLY. 161 AND THEN I GUESS JUST THE KIND OF LOTS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPABLE KIND OF FORMED THAT WESTERN BOUNDARY. AND THEN CENTRAL COLLEGE TO THE NORTH. QUESTION. BUT THIS AREA IS KIND OF A IT'S REALLY INTERESTING FOR NEW ALBANY FOR A LOT OF REASONS AND WHY WE WHY THE CITY WANTED TO START THIS PLAN IS JUST FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. THERE IS INCREASING DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE IN THIS AREA. THE LIKE I MENTIONED, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WAS AN AREA OF FOCUS THAT WAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY PLAN.
AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THIS REGION, IT'S JUST PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THIS AREA. AND IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS PLAN UPDATE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF RESIDENTS SENTIMENTS AROUND NOT LOVING THE TYPE OF RETAIL THAT'S DEVELOPING AND THE QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING HERE. SO THAT'S BEEN A BIG FOCUS OF OUR WORK, BUT IT REALLY IS A TRANSITIONAL POINT WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN THE REGION. IT'S A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY ITSELF. IT KIND OF BECOMES A GATEWAY FROM THE NORTH INTO THE VILLAGE CENTER, EAST TO WEST, EVEN FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO THE BUSINESS PARK. SO IT'S REALLY A DYNAMIC AREA TO BE PLANNING FOR, EVEN AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING IT AS A POLICY GUIDE, YOU KNOW, CREATING KIND OF THE TYPICAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND FUTURE THOROUGHFARE MAP AS WELL, KIND OF COVERED THAT. SO WE HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS AS WE AS WE GOT INTO THIS WORK, HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY FEEL ABOUT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS WITHIN THE FOCUS AREA, WHICH WAS REALLY GUIDED BY QUALITATIVE RESEARCH AND LOTS OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT? LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD A GREAT TURNOUT FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS AND OUR SURVEY. AND
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THEN WHAT ARE THE MARKET REALITIES THAT ARE REALLY DRIVING DEVELOPMENT IN THIS FOCUS AREA? WAS ANOTHER QUESTION. AND TO ANSWER THAT, WE, THE CITY, ACTUALLY HIRED A MARKET ANALYSIS FIRM CALLED DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES OUT OF SAINT LOUIS, WHO HELPED US DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT QUANTITATIVE RESEARCH INTO SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING THE MARKET IN THIS FOCUS AREA. AND THAT REALLY HELPED TO INFORM BOTH OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. AND OUR OTHER RESEARCH AND BEST PRACTICES HELP TO INFORM THE PLANS.RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT CAN I JUST ASK, AS YOU WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND DID THE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, HOW DID YOU DEFINE THE COMMUNITY AND HOW DID YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THEM TO INVITE THEM TO PARTICIPATE? YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT OF PROMOTIONS THAT HAPPENED WITH ALL OF THE MAJOR TOUCHPOINTS WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE WOULD DEFINE THE COMMUNITY AS ANYONE WHO IS LIVING IN OR AROUND ANYONE WHO'S NOT, NOT ONLY JUST LIVING, WORKING OR TRAVELS THROUGH THIS AREA AND WHO LIVES IN OR NEAR THE AREA. SO NOT JUST WE'VE HAD AN ENGAGEMENT FROM TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS. WE DID HAVE A 22 MEMBER STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WAS MADE UP OF FOLKS ACROSS JURISDICTIONS AS WELL. SO WE DID HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM PLAIN TOWNSHIP, NEW ALBANY, NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS AND REPRESENTING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL. DOES THAT HELP? HOW DID YOU COMMUNICATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS AND SURVEYS AND SO FORTH TO THAT? YEAH, MOSTLY THROUGH THE CITY'S LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA AND EMAIL NEWSLETTER, PUBLIC NOTICES, AS AM I MISSING ANYTHING? OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO I THINK FROM OUR TEAM WAS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE MARKET TRENDS THAT WE FOUND. AGAIN, IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING AREA TO BE PLANNING FOR GIVEN SOME OF THE ADJACENT LAND USES. SO I'LL LET HIM TALK ABOUT THAT. I GET ADJUSTED. AND FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN AT ANY POINT. YEAH, GO FOR IT. GO FOR IT. SO I'M CHRIS HERMAN. I THINK IT'S WORTH JUST 25 YEAR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. SO EARLY 2000. THE WHOLE THE WHOLE FOCUS OF NEW ALBANY IS REALLY ON INCUBATING, BUILDING UP THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND THE CONCERN WAS IF YOU LET RETAIL LEAK OUT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, IT WILL START PULLING THE ENERGY OUT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND THE FOCUS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE ON RETAIL IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IN 20 TENS AREA, AS THE BUSINESS PARK EXPANDED, THERE WAS DEMAND FOR LUNCH SPOTS, RETAIL SPOTS, THAT KIND OF THING. AND SO THE CITY SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL PROVE SOME RETAIL HERE ALONG THIS SECTION OF 62. AS THIS PARK CONTINUED TO GROW, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT A NODE, AN AREA AT THE BEACH ROAD INTERCHANGE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ACROSS MORE RECENTLY IN THE LAST SIX, EIGHT YEARS IS THE COMMUNITY IN THIS PART OF 62.
THIS AREA FEELS THEY'RE BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE VILLAGE CENTER. THEY WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT THE VILLAGE CENTER HAS AND THEIR DIRECT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO PART OF THIS STUDY WAS RESPONDING TO THE FACT WE HAVE INTEL AND ALL THESE NEW JOBS. AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF PEOPLE DRIVING ON 62 CORRIDOR, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, WHICH IS REALLY POSITIONED WELL FOR THE MARKET FOR DRIVE THROUGH RETAIL, ON PEOPLE, ON TRIPS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON 62. BUT FROM A COMMUNITY POINT OF VIEW, DESIRE FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, A LITTLE DIFFERENT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, A LITTLE MORE WALKABLE CITY HAS DONE GREAT STUFF IN TRYING TO IMPROVE THE BIKE ABILITY, IMPROVE THE CONNECTION UNDER THE INTERCHANGE, WHICH IS MUCH IMPROVED, THAT KIND OF THING. BUT STILL HEARING THESE COMMENTS ABOUT NOT SURE THAT THE PATTERN THAT WE'VE STARTED HERE IS WHAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO. HOW CAN WE ADJUST THE COURSE OF IT? HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THIS DIFFERENTLY? SO THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF STAGE SETTING, I THINK. I THINK THE GREAT THING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES THAT FOLKS OUT OF SAINT LOUIS, WHAT THEY REALLY HELPED US DO IS TELL THAT STORY WITH SOME WITH SOME DATA AND KIND OF WHAT THEY SET UP. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PLAN IS THEY HAVE A PRIMARY MARKET AREA THAT KIND OF COVERS A 10 TO 15 MINUTE COMMUTE TIME, AND THAT KIND OF TELLS A STORY OF WHAT TYPE OF DEMOGRAPHICS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY RETAIL WITHIN THIS FOCUS AREA. AS YOU CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETITIVE RETAIL CENTERS HERE AT DIFFERENT SCALES. HAMILTON QUARTER, MARKET DISTRICT, HAMPTON VILLAGE, BUT THEN ALSO EASTON TOWN CENTER, WHICH SERVES ARGUABLY A
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STATEWIDE AUDIENCE, NOT JUST NOT JUST THE CENTRAL OHIO REGION. I THINK, YOU KNOW, A BIG PRIMARY TAKEAWAY HERE IS THE LOCAL RETAIL DEMAND EXCEEDS SUPPLY BY A LOT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, AS AS WE GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WORKERS AND VISITORS START AFFECTING THE OR DRIVING THE DEMAND MORE FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL, THOSE TYPES OF OFFERINGS MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHEN IT'S RESIDENTS WHO ARE DRIVING THAT RETAIL DEMAND, RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS ON A TYPICAL ON A TYPICAL ENVIRONMENT, RESIDENTS MAKE UP MOST OF THAT. THEY DRIVE MOST OF THAT RETAIL DEMAND. BUT THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE BECAUSE BECAUSE OF YOUR NEARBY EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, BECAUSE OF FOLKS COMING HERE DURING THE WEEK NEEDING TO ACCESS SOMETHING FOR LUNCH OR AS THEY HEAD HOME, THAT'S GOING TO SORT OF IT'S GOING TO TIP THE SCALES IN TERMS OF WHAT RETAIL OFFERINGS ARE IN THE HIGH DEMAND. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THE IN THE FOCUS AREA. AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST A TIMELINE STORY OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THE INVENTORY KIND OF RAMPS UP, IT PRIMARILY IS CLUSTERED AROUND US 62 KIND OF OVER TIME. NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE 122 K PLUS IN 222,000 PLUS IN RETAIL SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO CLEARLY THAT SLIDE SO YOUR YOUR SLIDE ON THE LEFT IS AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY. AND THEN IT'S BUILT UP OVER TIME. RIGHT. CORRECT. YEAH. YEP. AND MOST MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE BUILT OUT THERE IS SORT OF OUR AUTO ORIENTED DRIVE THROUGH USES. THERE'S A SHEETZ OUT THERE NOW.THERE'S A COUPLE AUTO BODY SHOP, NOT AUTO BODY SHOPS, BUT THERE'S A CAR WASH. ADVANCE AUTO I THINK IS OUT THERE OR SOMETHING. CORRECT. THERE'S A COUPLE HOTELS AS WELL. SO THESE, THESE SORTS OF USES THAT ARE CATERED TOWARD THE WORKFORCE AND FOLKS WHO ARE COMMUTING, MAYBE EVEN FROM TO JOHNSTOWN DOWN. SO I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO THIS, BUT IS THE HORSE OUT OF THE BARN ALREADY? I MEAN, AS FAR AS THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE. SO YOU KNOW WHAT IS LEFT, RIGHT AND RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY QUESTIONS WE HAD AS WELL GOING INTO THIS, BECAUSE JUST FROM A TOP DOWN VIEW, YOU MIGHT THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH HERE LEFT TO BE TO BE SAID ABOUT. BUT WE KIND OF WE KIND OF WORKED WITH THIS IDEA OF WHAT IS MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO CHANGE AT THE MOMENT. YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS MIGHT TURN QUICKER THAN OTHERS, BUT WE KIND OF LOOKED AT WHAT'S THE PARCEL OWNERSHIP HERE, WHAT'S SOME OF THE VACANT LAND THAT'S LEFT OVER? AND PRIMARILY WHAT WE SAW IS, YOU KNOW, WALTON PARKWAY HAS GOT A COUPLE SORT OF LARGE ACRE PARCELS THAT ARE CONSOLIDATED OWNERSHIP. AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES THAT HAVE HAD SOME RECENT REZONING REQUESTS, ESPECIALLY ON HAMMER ROAD, THAT THAT WE KIND OF STUDIED AND WE KIND OF EVALUATED HOW THAT PROCESS WENT AND HOW THE COMMUNITY REACTED TO I THINK IT WAS A DAYCARE PROPOSAL THERE. SO THE ENERGY STARTED PICKING UP NOT ONLY ON US 62, BUT IT WAS STARTING TO SPILL OVER INTO BILLHEIMER AND THEN POTENTIALLY WALTON PARKWAY AS WELL. AND GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE A SECOND. SO THIS AREA HERE WE APPROVED YEARS AGO FOR A GENTLEMAN OUT OF DETROIT, WAS GOING TO BUILD A HIGH END CAR BARN. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. OKAY. AND THEN YOU SAID THERE'S SOME OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN REZONED AND SOME OTHER I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY POPULATED OR SOMETHING'S GOING ON IN SOME OF THOSE SHADED AREAS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE CORNER OF BILLHEIMER AND WALTON PARKWAY. THERE WAS A HOTEL PROPOSAL THERE. AND THEN. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THE WETLANDS. CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION TOO? JUST JUST FROM A SO THERE WAS A COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED ABOUT 22 PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THIS OVER THE PAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER. I GUESS SINCE THIS FITS THIS AREA, FITS IN WITH THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD APPROVALS. I'M SURPRISED THAT NOBODY ON THIS BOARD WAS A PART OF THAT PROCESS, I GUESS. IS THERE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? I'M NOT EXACTLY CERTAIN. I MEAN, I KNOW IT WAS A STEERING COMMITTEE AND I WASN'T I WASN'T WORKING THERE WHEN THAT WAS THE LAST DAY. SO
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YEAH, I'M SURE ABOUT THAT. I THINK PRIMARILY THEY TRIED TO HAVE IT BE VERY RESONANT LED.THERE WAS REPRESENTATION FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT THAT'S YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. YEAH, YEAH. WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEMBERS FROM COUNCIL TOO. YEAH. COUNCIL.
COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES, I MEAN THE TYPE OF USES THAT ARE DESIRED. I MEAN, WHAT IS THE LIKELY OF SOMEONE WILLING TO TAKE ON THAT FINANCIAL BURDEN AND ALSO GET THE USES THAT ARE MORE DESIRABLE FOR THAT AREA? YEAH. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THESE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE KIND OF CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN THERE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK. RIGHT? I THINK PRIMARILY IN THIS PARCEL HERE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THERE IS A PROPOSED ROAD THAT RAN THROUGH HERE. AND SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN SOME STUDIES THAT THAT CHECK THE FEASIBILITY FOR THAT. AND REALLY IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF A LOT OF INVESTMENT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO FOR THE TIME BEING, WE TOOK THAT OUT BECAUSE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, EVALUATED IT AND SAW THAT MAYBE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A FEASIBLE, FEASIBLE ROAD CONNECTION. SO COULD IT BE SOME POTENTIALLY LIKE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW IF NEW ALBANY HAS THOUGHT OF ANY OF THAT WITH SOME INCENTIVES. YEAH. SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO I THINK MAYBE THE FIRST THING JUST TO SAY. SARAH TOUCHED ON IT, IS THAT PART OF THE MOTIVATION OF DOING THIS PLAN IS THAT THE CITY IS GETTING ASKED BY MANY DIFFERENT PARTIES, INCLUDING LANDOWNERS, ABOUT WHAT THE CITY WANTS HERE, AND THEY FELT LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER. AND WE'RE GETTING CONTRADICTORY DIRECTION DEPENDING ON WHO THEY ASKED OR TALK TO ON WHAT'S THE FUTURE. AND SO REALLY, THIS IS, I THINK, IN SOME EFFORT TO GET SOME ALIGNMENT SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HERE. THE FRONTAGE ON 62 IS OUR A LOT OF IT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED. I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS ON THERE, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE INTERVENTION. I THINK THE CITY KNOWS THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY BE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO MAKE SOME OF THIS HAPPEN. BUT I DO THINK WHAT WE HEARD IS, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING A SINGLE LOT DEVELOP IN A VACUUM, AND I THINK THE STAFF HAS FELT LIKE JUST GETTING THE CONNECTIVITY THAT MAYBE YOU ALL TO THAT HAS OCCURRED SO FAR ALONG 62 HAS BEEN TOUGH, AND SO TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THIS NOW AS A BRINGING IN MORE AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT IN A LARGER SCOPE. BUT IT IS CHALLENGING AND THERE'S LOTS OF LITTLE PIECES. THE REALITY, I THINK, IS THE LITTLE PIECES THAT ARE ALL BY THEMSELVES PROBABLY CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, BUT I THINK THERE'S A HOPE TO KIND OF WHERE AS FAR AS WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THE NEW PUBLIC ROADS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BY THE BUS BARN THAT MAYBE AS WE HEAD NORTH OF THAT, THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE FUTURE THERE. AND THEN ALSO, WHAT ARE WE SAYING ALONG BILHEIMER AND WHAT ARE WE SAYING ALONG SMITHVILLE AND WALTON PARKWAY? AND WITH THE CHANGE IN THE OFFICE MARKET? LOTS OF QUESTIONS ARE IS IT HOTEL BECAUSE THERE'S HOTEL INTEREST. SO THAT'S WANED A LITTLE BIT. IT WAS REALLY SET UP RIGHT NOW TO BE COMMERCIAL OFFICE. IS THAT REALLY FEASIBLE. LIKE THE CITY'S GETTING A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT FLEX OFFICE, KIND OF A DIFFERENT SCALE, BUT ALSO A REALIZATION THAT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE. AND ZALA IS ALREADY DOING THIS TO KIND OF INCUBATE AND START OUT THINGS THAT CAN GROW. AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT HERE IN YOU ALL, BUT IT CAN GROW INTO THINGS THAT WE ACCOMMODATE A LARGER SCALE IN THE BUSINESS PARK. AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN IMAGINE EVERYONE'S ASKING ABOUT IS RESIDENTIAL AND HAS RESIDENTIAL FIT IN THE PICTURE. AND SO I THINK SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THIS, SOME THOUGHT IS SETTING UP A PLANNING SPEAK. WE TALK ABOUT A TRANSECT, BUT SOMETHING THAT GOES FROM WHAT WE HAVE ON ON CENTRAL COLLEGE THAT ALLOWS SOME INCREASE IN DENSITY TO THINGS LIKE TOWNHOMES AND EVEN TO THINGS LIKE MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS ON 62, AS A WAY TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE TO GET SOME PARCEL PUT TOGETHER, PROVIDED IT'S ALL ABOUT WALKABILITY, PROVIDED IT'S INTERCONNECTED, PROVIDED IT'S THINKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE AREA AS A SINGLE ENTITY. BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT, YOU ALL DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS TOO. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME HEAVY LIFTING TO CHANGE THE
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COURSE OF THIS. WHAT HAPPENS ON SMITH'S MILL? YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN. BUT ALSO ONE OF THINGS TO PAY ATTENTION HERE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT THOSE USES ARE. BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE. WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW MORE USES IN THAT AREA. STUFF ON 62 IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE. I THINK THE PUSH TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN BETWEEN THE CITY AND LANDOWNERS AND THEN NOTHING, NOTHING HAPPENS, NOTHING HAPPENS. IT'S OKAY.WE'RE NOT SAYING SOMEONE NEEDS TO CHANGE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TODAY, BUT JUST SO THAT THE CITY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE, WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING HERE? HOPE THAT HELPS. I THINK IN SOME WHAT THE WHAT THE MARKET STUDY TOLD US IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT CONDITION HERE IS SUPPORTIVE OF CONTINUING TO BUILD OUT AND SORT OF AUTO ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. BUT AS WE STARTED TALKING TO RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, AS WE STARTED REACHING OUT VIA SURVEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOCIAL, SOCIAL MEDIA IMPRESSIONS THROUGH VIDEOS, MULTIPLE VIDEOS, WE HAD OPEN ENDED COMMENTS. AND ALL OF THIS WILL BE SUMMARIZED WITHIN THE WITHIN THE PLAN. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF DIVE INTO EACH ONE OF THOSE SURVEY QUESTIONS AND WHAT FOLKS WERE SAYING. AS WE LEARN MORE, WE REALIZED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESTAURANTS, DIFFERENT KINDS OF SERVICES, AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF RETAIL THAT, THAT THAT SERVE RESIDENTS, THAT SERVE LOCAL RESIDENTS WITHIN A WALKABLE DISTANCE. AND SO AS WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS, WE REALIZED, OKAY, THAT'S SLIGHTLY IN CONTRAST WITH WITH WHAT THE MARKET IS TELLING US, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE YOU KNOW, CHRIS HAS A GREAT CHART IN THE PLAN AS WELL.
ONE THING WE REALLY TRY TO THINK ABOUT IS HOW DO WE HOW DO WE INFLUENCE THE MARKET AND CREATE A NEW MARKET IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF RETAIL OFFERINGS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD COME ALONG IF WE INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL TYPES OF COMMERCIAL OFFERINGS. SO AND ALSO MIXED USE OFFICE TYPES OF ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU MIGHT SEE, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AREAS IN BRIDGE PARK OR AREAS IN GRANDVIEW YARD. SO WE KIND OF ALREADY STARTED TO HINT AT SOME OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT ITSELF. BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE PLAN, WHICH WE'RE FINALIZING THAT NOW, YOU GUYS HAVE A SECTION OF IT, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKETS. IT'LL HAVE FOUR CHAPTERS. LIKE YANKO SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF MORE IN-DEPTH DETAIL IN EACH OF THESE FOUR, BUT TONIGHT WE MOSTLY JUST WANTED TO FOCUS IN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE AND FUTURE THOROUGHFARE PIECE OF THIS WITH YOU. SO THIS IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE CHARACTER MAP. IMPORTANTLY, WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER AND NOT JUST PARCEL BY PARCEL USE. SO WE'RE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THESE AS DISTRICTS. THE THREE OF THE FOUR DISTRICTS YOU SEE UP HERE ARE PRETTY MUCH UNCHANGED FROM HOW THEY ARE TODAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S THAT LIKELIHOOD OF THEM CHANGING JUST DUE TO THE CONDITIONS AND THE MARKET TREND. AND WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPED. SO SMITHS MILL OR LIKE OFFICE CAMPUS IN LIGHT BLUE ON THE MAP IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WHAT IT IS TODAY OR WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN THE PLAN IS PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING STRATEGIC PLAN OF MEDICAL HEALTHCARE OFFICE, HEADQUARTER, FLEX OFFICE. TYPE OF USES. ZARLEY INDUSTRIAL PARK IN THE TAN COLOR REMAINS UNCHANGED AND THEN THE RED ORANGE COLOR IS THAT KIND OF US 62 COMMERCIAL CORE. AGAIN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT. BUT THE REST OF WHAT YOU SEE IN DARK PURPLE, LIGHT PURPLE, OR THIS YELLOW COLOR, WE'RE KIND OF CALLING ALL OF THAT, THIS NEW LAND USE DISTRICT CALLED THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. WE PLAYED AROUND WITH THE NAMES A LOT, BUT WE FELT LIKE GATEWAY AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE LIKED THAT TOO, BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS MEANT TO BE A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY FROM THE NORTH. AND IT'S NORTH OF SMITHVILLE. WE DID A LOT OF DIGGING INTO SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE MILLS ALONG THE BLACKLICK CREEK, WHICH WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT, BUT IT IS THREE COLORS. SO WE ARE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE DARK PURPLE, THE LIGHT PURPLE, AND THE YELLOW BEING SUBDISTRICTS WITHIN THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE REALLY DO WANT TO THINK OF IT AS A COHESIVE DISTRICT, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH THIS AREA IS THAT IT REALLY DEVELOPED QUITE PIECEMEAL. AND SO IT LED TO KIND OF SOME INCONSISTENCIES IN THE
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CHARACTER. BUT WE DID WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE US 62 COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WITH A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG 62, AND REALLY TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT, ESPECIALLY TO THE NORTH AND WEST WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO REALLY TRYING TO KIND OF STEP DOWN DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY. SO ZOOMING INTO THAT DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR, THESE ARE JUST SOME PRECEDENTS WE LOOKED AT. BUT REALLY THE PURPOSE HERE IS TO ENCOURAGE A MORE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERN THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER THAT YOU SEE ELSEWHERE IN NEW ALBANY, TO PROMOTE MORE WALKABLE AND NEIGHBORHOOD SCALED DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO INTRODUCE A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, WHICH WILL HELP TO KIND OF DRIVE THE MARKET. THAT WAS THE BIG KIND OF TAKEAWAY FROM THE MARKET STUDY FOR US IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO SHIFT THE MARKET TOWARDS MORE OF THE RETAIL THAT'S DESIRED BY THE COMMUNITY, ONE OF YOUR OPTIONS IS TO ADD MORE HOUSING.AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. ALSO THINKING ABOUT SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR CIVIC AND GREEN SPACES ALWAYS AND FRONTING DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE REALLY EMPHASIZING THAT COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER IDENTITY. AND THEN WE'VE LOOKED A LOT OR WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON BUILDING TYPOLOGIES, DEVELOPMENT TYPOLOGIES AND STANDARDS THAT WILL REALLY, HOPEFULLY PROVIDE A LOT OF GUIDANCE IN THIS PLAN DOCUMENT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF REINFORCING THAT THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT GRADIENT. A TRANSITION IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS NEW DISTRICT. AND THOSE RENDERINGS HOPEFULLY HELP TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THAT POINT A LITTLE BIT. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE LIKE THIS WOULD BE 62. AND THEN THESE ARE MORE INTERNAL STREETS. AND THESE ARE JUST CHARACTER IMAGERY THAT WE DEVELOPED IN THIS PLAN. YEAH. IN THAT YELLOW REPRESENTS MORE OF LOOKING AT THAT MORE RESIDENTIAL. WE COULD SEE RESIDENTIAL HAPPENING IN ANY OF THE THREE SUBDISTRICTS OF THIS AREA. IT'S MORE SO ABOUT THE TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. SO IF I JUMP AHEAD, QUICK, QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. ON THE YELLOW PARTS, ISN'T THAT PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW? IT IS. OKAY. YEAH. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ALREADY IT'S PRIMARILY LOTS THAT HAVE EXISTING OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING ON IT. AND WE'RE SAYING THAT'S GREAT. WE WANT TO RESPECT THAT CONTEXT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO STEP DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S NOT IMPOSING ON THESE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS. BUT IF LOTS WERE TO TURN OVER IN THAT LIGHT YELLOW SUBDISTRICT, THEY COULD BE THE EXISTING KIND OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE A SMALLER LOT STANDALONE HOUSE, OR THEY COULD BE POTENTIALLY A TWO FAMILY HOUSE OR THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT SUBDISTRICT. SO WE'RE SHOWING THE HOUSING WITH SMALLER LOT SIZES AND SO FORTH. IT COULD BE IN ANY OF THOSE THREE OUT OF THE THREE. THE PURPLE LIGHT PURPLE. AND YEAH, LET ME SHOW ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS. SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT AS FAR AS DENSE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE SINCE WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS WHOLE AREA, BOTH THE PURPLE COLORS AND THE YELLOW, WE CALCULATED THE GROSS DENSITY FOR THE ENTIRE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT AT SEVEN UNITS TO AN ACRE. AND THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF OF MY HEAD. IS IT ON THERE? OH YEAH. GOOD. GOOD POINT. WE DO HAVE A WHOLE SLIDE ON. SO YOU'RE USING THAT AREA TO JUSTIFY THE SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE. YEAH 200. AND SO THE NORTH MILL GATE COMMERCIAL AREA, YOU'RE COMBINING COMMERCIAL AREA EVERYTHING. AND YOU'RE SAYING DENSITY WOULD BE I THINK IT'S JUST THAT THE NORTH MILLS, JUST THE, THE THREE SUBDISTRICTS WOULD MAKE THAT SEVEN DWELLING UNITS IN THAT AREA. THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS. I'M JUMPING AHEAD. JUMP AHEAD TO THE TABLE SO I CAN SHOW YOU. TABLE. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE THE TABLE. WE JUST HAVE THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES HERE. THAT'S A GOOD. YEAH. SO THE DENSITY FOR THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT IS SEVEN UNITS AN ACRE. IF YOU TAKE THE ENTIRE AREA, WHICH INCLUDES THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ON US 62, THE ALL THE OTHER COLORS, IF YOU TAKE THE DENSITY OF ALL OF THE COLORS COMBINED, IT'S THREE UNITS TO AN ACRE. SO SORRY, I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION. SO
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I KNOW WE'RE THROWING A LOT AT YOU. YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB ANSWERING ON YOUR TOES HERE. SO HAVE THE SCHOOLS BEEN PART OF ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THIS JUST AS IT RELATES TO THE HOUSING? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH MORE HOUSING, MORE STUDENTS, MORE EXPANSION. I KNOW THE DISTRICT'S GOING THROUGH SOME PLANNING RIGHT NOW AND ALREADY ADDING SOME THINGS, SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'VE BEEN IN THE CONVERSATION. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK WE HAD A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD ON OUR STEERING COMMITTEE. YEAH. AND WE WERE VERY AWARE OF THE RECENT KIND OF STUDIES THAT THEY'VE DONE RELATED TO SCHOOL POPULATION. AS WE BEGAN THIS WORK. REALLY. SO, YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY WE PROBABLY SHOULD EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OTHER POINTS.THE ONLY WAY TO NOT DO DRIVE THROUGH RETAIL ON 62 IS TO GET A BIGGER BASE HERE. AND SO WE PRESENTED THAT TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE. WE HAD SEVERAL LONG STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS ABOUT THAT, ACTUALLY GAVE A BUNCH OF HOMEWORK TO GO AROUND THE REGION AND SEE STUFF. WE SAID, LOOK. DO NOTHING. WE'LL GET MORE RETAIL DRIVE THROUGH. IT'LL BE BRICK AND IT'LL HAVE A WHITE FENCE IN FRONT, AND IT'LL HAVE GREEN GRASS SET BACK AND WE'LL HAVE A NICE STREETSCAPE AND THAT'S WHAT WE GET. BUT WHAT YOU ALL AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN TELLING US, AND BY YOU ALL, I MEAN THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT HERE. PART OF THE REASON THAT THE MARKET STUDY IS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET UNLESS WE CHANGE THE STARS, UNLESS WE CHANGE THE CONTEXT. AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS TO REALLY START FOCUSING ON THE WALKABILITY AND ADD SOME DENSITY IN THIS AREA, AND PICKING A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT TYPE THAT ISN'T ABOUT ATTRACTING A BUNCH OF FAMILIES, IT'S ABOUT ATTRACTING KIND OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF MARKET. AND PART OF THIS WAS PROBABLY WE'RE DOING THIS WHOLE THING IS KIND OF THE HAMLET DISCUSSION AND THE KIND OF WHOLE STIR OF THE POT THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, HAVE THEM KIND OF GO OUT. IT WAS VERY FASCINATING TO WATCH THEM KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PROGRESSION OF, WELL, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT. AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION. BUT I THINK, MISS BONNIE, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT AND ALL OF YOU THAT HALF OF THIS IS ALREADY GONE. SO I MEAN, IT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME EFFORT, BUT THAT IS WHERE THE IDEA OF SOME DENSITY WITHOUT DENSITY, WE'RE NOT TURNING THE SHIP, BUT WITH SOME DENSITY WE CAN HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS, MIGHT GET SOME PEOPLE INTERESTED IN TRYING TO DO A MORE VISIONARY MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE AREA, BUT IN PIECES THAT COULD MAKE SOME PROGRESS. SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THAT COMES FROM. VERY AWARE OF THE SCHOOL ISSUE, VERY AWARE THE DENSITY ISSUE. BUT REALLY TALKING ABOUT IF YOU WANT WALKABLE COMMUNITIES, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ONLY THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY ALONG 62, MAYBE ALONG WALTON PARKWAY IF THE RIGHT PLAN COMES FORWARD. AND IN SOME SENSE, THIS PLAN IS PITCH US A GREAT PLAN AND WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSIONS OR. DON'T DEVELOP. AND WE HAD A CHART. PROBABLY SHOULD PUT IT IN HERE NEXT TIME WE DO THIS. REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE PURPLE ALONG 62 AS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN DO MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT AND THE AREA THAT EXISTS ALONG CENTRAL COLLEGE. AND KITZMILLER IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN THE AREA IN BETWEEN. I CALL THE MIXING ZONE THE LIGHT PURPLE. AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, LOOK, IF YOU ARE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER AND YOU'RE A SINGLE FAMILY AND YOU HAVE BY ONE OF THE YELLOW HOUSES ON CENTRAL COLLEGE AND YOU DO SOME MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THE PURPLE AREA, GIVE US A PLAN. HAVE AT IT. YOU CAN DO THAT. OR CONVERSELY, IF YOU'RE ALONG 62 AND YOU BUY A COUPLE PARCELS AND YOU GET THAT LIGHT PURPLE AREA AND YOU WANT TO SHOW HOW YOU CAN DO A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME CENTRAL GREEN SPACE AND BUILD AROUND IT AND PUT SOME DENSITY ON 62 AND MAYBE TOWNHOUSES AND LIGHT PURPLE. WE WILL ENTERTAIN THAT CONVERSATION. YOU GOT. THE PURPLE AREA IS KIND OF LIKE SHOW US HOW IT CONNECTS. IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT WITH THE YELLOW, PUT WITH THE IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT WITH THE PURPLE, DARK PURPLE, PUT THE DARK PURPLE. YOU GOT TO SHOW US HOW IT MAKES SENSE. AND ALL OF YOU, ALL OF US HAVE TO REVIEW PLANS AND ALWAYS BE ASKING, HOW ARE YOU CONNECTING TO A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THERE IS SOME CONSISTENCY HERE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS? SO DEFINITELY WE'RE KIND OF RAISING THE BAR ON THIS, AND WE ALSO ARE TALKING ABOUT NEXT STEP. WHAT IS THE REGULATIONS. WHAT DOES THE CITY NEED TO ADOPT TO FROM A CODE POINT OF VIEW POLICY POINT OF VIEW TO SEE SOME OF THIS STUFF HAPPEN. AND THAT COULD BE I KEEP SAYING FOR THIS, THE DARK
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PURPLE AREA, WE'RE REALLY SAYING I THINK GREEN SPACE AND NOT JUST SETBACK, BUT I MEAN GREEN SPACE THAT IS SOME KIND OF PARK SPACE AS A CENTRAL ELEMENT. IF YOU ARE BUILDING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF 62, MAYBE THERE'S A GREEN SETBACK THAT'S MORE OF A PARK, AND THEN YOU HAVE A STREET IN THE BUILDING. THINK ABOUT MORSE ROAD IN NEW ALBANY WITH THOSE SET. NOT THAT DEEP BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ROOM, BUT THAT THERE'S THAT SETBACK AREA. RIGHT. I IMAGINE THAT WITH SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AS THAT EDGE OR THINK ABOUT, IF YOU REALLY MAKE IT REALLY WANT TO MAKE IT WALKABLE, A GREEN SPACE THAT TURNS PERPENDICULAR OFF 62. AND SO THEN YOU HAVE A GREEN THAT GOES INTO THE SPACE. THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE VILLAGE MARKET SQUARE THAT THEN YOU SURROUND AND KIND OF FRAME WITH DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THERE'LL BE PARKING BEHIND IT. AND TO THINK ABOUT HOW SCREENING THAT BUT BUT CREATING KIND OF THAT, THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT ON 62. SO YOU MENTIONED A NUMBER OF TIMES YOU'RE TRYING TO INCREASE ROOFTOPS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR MORE AMENITIES. YEAH. WHAT ARE THOSE AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. THEY'RE ASKING FOR THEY'RE ASKING FOR A DIFFERENT KIND OF RETAIL. I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING. ASK FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RETAIL. SO HOW DO WE GET THAT? THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE CITY TO ACTUALLY DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR A WHILE IN THIS AREA AND MAKE THEM PRIORITIES, WHICH IS INVEST IN THE PARK SPACE. THEY ACTUALLY WANT THE CITY TO GET OUT IN FRONT AND DO SOME OF THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE LEISURE PATH CONNECTIONS AHEAD OF DEVELOPMENT POLICY OF THE CITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A NICE TRAJECTORY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT, HEY, WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEY'LL BUILD THAT PIECE. BUT IN THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR ALONG 62 AND CENTRAL COLLEGE, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WITH THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING IS WE NEED TO PUT THEM IN WHERE WE HAVE BIG CHUNKS THAT ARE MISSING, THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO MAKE EVERYTHING WE WANT ACCESSIBLE. USE THAT.YOU NEED TO START PUTTING THAT IN NOW. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HEARD AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, HOW DOES THE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS EFFECT YOU'RE SAYING MORE PARKS, MORE CONNECTIVITY. AND THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT UNLESS IT HAS RESIDENTIAL, MORE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. ONE THING AGAIN, THIS GETS BACK TO THAT MARKET STUDY. AND THOSE OF YOU IN THE LAND BUSINESS TO CONVINCE A DEVELOPER IN NEW ALBANY THAT SAYS YOU GOT ONE UNIT DWELLING UNIT AN ACRE ALREADY, YOU HAVE A HARD TIME TO DO THAT. BUT IN THE NEW ALBANY MARKET, IT'S WILLING TO DO THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOUSES PLOPPED IN YARDS. IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IF YOU WANT A GREEN SPACE THAT'S REALLY FRAMED, YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR MORE AMENITIES IN THE GREEN SPACE. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO MAKE THAT EQUATION WORK. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ADDING SOME DENSITY. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE HAMLET IS THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF MAKING THAT DEAL WORK, AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THAT EDGE TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS, THIS AREA WORK, IF THERE ARE TRADE OFFS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST A THING FOR YOU ALL TO TALK ABOUT. IT'S GONNA BE A THING FOR COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT. THAT SAID, WE HAD THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE. THEY WERE VERY MUCH INVOLVED. THEY HEARD THE STEERING COMMITTEE SAY, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. I MEAN, ANYBODY THAT WAS IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE CAN BACK ME UP THAT THAT WAS SO THE CONVERSATION, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THEY IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE THOSE AMENITIES ADDED TO THAT AREA, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL, I THINK, IN THE CITY. CITY AMENITIES, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T THINK THE CITY AMENITIES, BUT I THINK FOR THE KINDS OF USES THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR. WHAT IS THAT? WHAT ARE THEY ASKING FOR? RETAIL. IT'S FAMILY FRIENDLY, NOT DRIVE THROUGH. I THINK. IS THAT DURING THE SURVEY PROCESS, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SPECIFIC TENANTS. YES THAT'S TRUE. SO THINK OF TRADER JOE'S, LUCKY'S MARKET, THOSE TYPES OF MORE NICHE MARKETS THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF SURROUNDING DENSITY TO SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. SOME GROCERS AND SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS THAT REALLY THEY DON'T THEY DON'T MAKE A DECISION ON WHERE TO LOCATE UNTIL THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE A SUSTAINABLE MARKET SURROUNDING THAT AREA TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE SOMEWHERE. I MEAN, I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO TRYING TO CREATE THAT NEW MARKET IN THIS AREA SO THAT THOSE TYPES OF TENANTS ARE MORE WILLING TO COME TO. FOCUS IN A LAND USE FRAMEWORK, BECAUSE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO A POLICY DOCUMENT, SAY, HEY, WE WANT TRADER JOE'S TO COME HERE. AND MAYBE SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT, THOUGH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE ADDING ROOFTOPS TO DRAW IN SOME RETAIL WHERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE ROOFTOPS, YOU DON'T NEED THAT RETAIL, IT'S
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PART OF IT. BUT IT'S ALSO TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT WE WANT WITHOUT THE ROOFTOPS, I DON'T THINK WE GET THE DEVELOPMENT WANT. AND I DON'T JUST MEAN THE USES BECAUSE THOSE ROOFTOPS, I MEAN THE DEAL TO MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN. SO WHAT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM COMMUNITY IS WE WANT SOMETHING MORE LIKE THIS RIGHT AT THIS FRONT DOOR AND LESS LIKE DAIRY QUEEN SURROUNDED BY PARKING LOT AND DRIVE THROUGH REPEATED TEN TIMES. AND WE'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. THAT'S WHERE THE MARKET IS. UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THEY WANT THAT. AND TO GET THAT, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE THIS TO GET THIS AGAIN TODAY. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME MORE DEVELOPMENT DENSITY TO MAKE THE PROGRAM WORK. WELL, I'VE SAID ON THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND SO FORTH, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CLAMORING FOR MORE RESTAURANTS AND MARKETS, AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE THE ROOFTOPS, RIGHT? I AGREE, I AGREE. OKAY. WELL, THANKS.THANKS FOR GOING THROUGH THAT. I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL. AND YEAH, YEAH, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MY SENSE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN ALL JUMP IN. MY SENSE IS NOT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE TEN NEW RESTAURANTS OR SOMETHING. I THINK THEY'D BE HAPPY IF YOU GOT 1 OR 2 FAMILY RESTAURANTS IN THE FIRST FLOOR OR SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT SURROUNDED BY PARKING LOT. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THEY COULD WALK TO. PART OF A DEVELOPMENT HAD TWO DIFFERENT RESTAURANT OPTIONS, AND IT WAS ON 62 OR ALONG THAT AREA. IT WAS CONNECTED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY'D BE LIKE, SUCCESS! THIS IS FANTASTIC IS WHAT WE ALWAYS WANTED. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GIANT BAR, BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EVEN HOW TO GET TO STILL, I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK WHAT KYLE'S SAYING, THOUGH. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS IN NEW ALBANY CITY A BUILD OUT. AND WE'RE AT THAT POINT. YEAH. SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, IS THIS THE RIGHT AREA TO, TO, TO PUT SOME DENSITY IN. YEAH. RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. I THINK.
THERE ARE PERSONAL OPINION. I'M NOT SPEAKING AS A CITY REPRESENTATIVE. I'M SPEAKING AS AN OBSERVER OF NEW ALBANY. I THINK THERE ARE PLACES TO DO THAT AROUND WHERE WE ARE SITTING. BUT THAT IS ALL SOUTH OF 161, AND WE HAVE A LARGE PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S NORTH OF 161. AND THEY'RE SAYING, WE WANT SOME OF THIS. WHERE IS IT? AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT QUESTION BACK TO ANYBODY SAYING, WHERE IS THE RIGHT PLACE? THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WELL, IF YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH OF 161, WHERE'S THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO IT? WELL, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE SOME OF US HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR A LONG. WELL MIKE'S BEEN HERE FOREVER, RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WHEN WE SAT DOWN THOSE INITIAL MEETINGS, IT WAS.
YEAH. RESIDENTIAL SOUTH 161 BUSINESS PARK WAS NORTH. YES, YES. THAT WAS THE GENERAL GIST.
YEAH. CAN I CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? SURE. JUST FOR MAYBE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE THAT DON'T KNOW OR REALIZE YOUR DIAGRAMS AND STUFF UP THERE DIDN'T SHOW THAT JUST NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD IS BASICALLY WHERE THE LYNX GOLF COURSE IS. AND SO YOU HAVE THOSE HOMES IN THERE, THE ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. OH, I DON'T KNOW. THEY COULD PROBABLY BE 40, 45 YEARS OLD NOW. SOME SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE THEY'RE SMALLER, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT A PARTICULAR DEVELOPER COULD PROBABLY COME IN AND BUY 4 OR 5 IN A ROW AND DO THINGS OVER AGAIN. SO IT'S NOT A WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS NOT A NECESSARILY A PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL. AND I THINK WHERE A LOT OF THE STUFF CAME FROM WAS THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE LYNX DIDN'T WANT COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THIS WHOLE THING GOT STARTED WAS WHAT HOW CAN HOW CAN WE MAKE IT SO THAT 62 STILL HAS THE BUSINESS, BUT THE BUSINESS ISN'T ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. YEAH. AND A LOT OF THAT AREA RIGHT NOW. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT RIGHT NOW. MANY YEARS AGO WAS ALL VERY WET, SOGGY FARMLAND. AND IT PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY NOT CONSIDERED A WOODLAND AREA, BUT IF NOT IT'S GOT TO BE VERY CLOSE. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW LONG I'D BEEN HERE WHEN I WAS A KID, WE'D RIDE OUR HORSES DOWN TO FIVE POINTS AND MAKE THE TURN ONTO KITZMILLER ROAD, AND MY MOTHER WOULD ALWAYS CAUTION US TO BE CAREFUL OF THE CARS DOWN THERE AT FIVE POINTS, BECAUSE YOU COULD NEVER, NEVER TRUST THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE COMING TOO FAST AROUND THAT CURVE. SO THAT GOES BACK A FEW YEARS. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THAT REMINDS ME, I THINK WE SHOULD SHARE WITH YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, IS 62 IS BEING STUDIED BY ODOT. I THINK BURGESS AND I WAS THE ONE THAT'S STUDYING IT BETWEEN FIVE POINTS TO JOHNSTOWN, BASICALLY, AND TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY. AND AS
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ALL OF YOU KNOW, FIVE POINTS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES. THEY'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS FOR THAT AREA AS WELL AS ARE THEY STILL LOOKING FOR A ROUNDABOUT THERE? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE TESTING. THAT'S THE MOST LOGICAL THING IN MY OPINION. I THINK IT'S THE MOST LOGICAL. YEAH. SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO. YEAH. SO PART OF THE IDEA OF A ROUNDABOUT TOO IS THEN THAT SETS UP WHAT HAPPENS SOUTH THAT ROUNDABOUT. IT KIND OF BECOMES A NICE DEMARCATION FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS IN NEW ALBANY. AND MAYBE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE TOWNSHIP AS YOU GO. WELL, DO YOU, DO YOU VISUALIZE IF, IF THAT IS STILL KEPT RESIDENTIAL, THAT THE PRICE OF THE HOMES WOULD BE MORE LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE LINKS OR. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, PROBABLY. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY YES. YEAH. THEY'LL BE NEW HOMES. YEAH, YEAH. WELL I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. I, I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED THEM WELL ENOUGH. KIND OF ALL THIS CONVERSATION STACKS ON CONVERSATIONS THAT KIND OF HOW WE GOT HERE. AND BIANCA SIERRA, IF YOU GUYS HAVE THINGS LIKE CHRIS, DON'T SAY THAT. THIS IS WHAT YOU MEAN. I'M HAPPY TO. I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAD THE PACKET WITH ALL THESE LAND USE PAGES.SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. WE COULD ALSO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OKAY, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT ON THOROUGHFARE AS WELL AND WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CITY INVESTMENT. I THINK THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO MAKING THOSE PUBLIC REALM INVESTMENTS REGARDLESS, FILLING GAPS IN THE TRAIL NETWORK, IMPROVING THE INTERSECTIONS, ESPECIALLY AT FIVE POINTS. AND YOU SEE HERE, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT A LOT YET. BUT THE GREEN ON THE MAP, THIS IS ALL CITY OWNED GROUND. KITZMILLER SLATED TO BE A PARK, KITZMILLER WETLAND PARK IN THE FUTURE. IT WAS IN THE PARKS FRAMEWORK PLAN, NOT IN THE CITY BUDGET JUST YET, BUT PROBABLY WILL BE. AND THEN OOPS. TIDEWATER PARK UP HERE IS AN EXISTING PARK TECHNICALLY, BUT NOT VERY PROGRAMED. SO THOSE ARE TWO OTHER PUBLIC INVESTMENTS THAT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THIS IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PROTECTED.
YEAH. THANK YOU. AND IF DEVELOPMENT WERE TO HAPPEN AROUND IT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT REMAINS PROTECTED, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURALIZED THAN LIKE A PUBLIC PARK, BUT WITH PUBLIC ACCESS AND EASEMENT. EXCUSE ME I THINK. YEAH. SO YOU'LL SEE THE DOTTED LINES, YOU KNOW, IMPLYING FUTURE ROADS. JUST LIKE WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. WE'RE NOT SAYING RIGHT AT THAT LOCATION IS WHERE IT SHOULD GO, JUST THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT THESE POINTS IN SOME FASHION, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT. THE REASON THERE'S A LINE FROM KITZMILLER TO 62, WHICH AGAIN, THAT ONE REALLY WOULD HAVE TO GET THOUGHT THROUGH. HOW THAT WOULD WORK IS PARTLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE ROUNDABOUT STUDIES SAY DISCONNECT. KITZMILLER AT FIVE POINTS IN ORDER TO MAKE EVERYTHING WORK WELL. AND SO THAT GOT DISCONNECTED. IT WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE A CUL DE SAC THERE. BUT I THINK IDEALLY FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES ALONG KITZMILLER, YOU'D WANT TO MAKE SOME CONNECTION TO 62 SOMEWHERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY THAT. SO I SEE FROM KITZMILLER UP TO 62. AND THEN THEN IF THERE'S A STUB STREET TO THE NORTH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MAY OR BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH NEW ALBANY LINKS. WE GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THAT. WE SHOWED IT. WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THE STUB STREETS CONNECTED. THERE'S ONE OVER HERE AS WELL. THE PLAINVIEW IS THAT PLAINVIEW ESTATES. AND THEN TO THE NORTH. YEAH I LIVE IN THE LAKES. I LIVE ON DEAN FARM. AND JUST RELATIVE TO THE TRAFFIC GOING NORTH SOUTH, IT JUST. I HAVE TO WELL, SO UPPER CLEARANCE AND HAD AN ISSUE WITH WOODHAVEN CONNECTING. YEAH. YOU KNOW EAST WEST AND WHAT I SEE RELATIVE TO YOU KNOW I APOLOGIZE TO ALL MY LINKS NEIGHBORS BUT RELATIVE TO NOW WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY MOVING ALL THAT TRAFFIC ON TO BEVEL HEIMER. AND I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME STRATEGIC EFFORT IN, IN CREATING A WEB OF ROADS WHILE YOU'RE NOT JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, 20,000 CARS TO GO UP NEW ALBANY LAKES DRIVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE ROCKY FORK METRO PARK, YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE REC CENTER, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, BASEBALL FIELDS NOW, POSSIBLY HIGH SCHOOL, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT JUST IT JUST SEEMS TO ME, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON VERSUS WHATEVER, 220. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE AVENUE OF CONNECTION DOESN'T
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NECESSARILY MEAN THAT 12,000 CARS ARE GOING TO GO UP THAT ROAD. BUT I ALWAYS YEAH, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC SUPPRESSION OR WHATEVER ON ALL THREE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, DEAN FARM, BEVEL, HYMER, AS WELL AS THE LINKS. RIGHT. WE YEAH, WE EMPHASIZE THAT IF THERE WERE A CONNECTION, WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO DO SOME SOMETHING TO CURB THE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SPEEDING AND LOTS OF TRAFFIC. NOBODY WANTS, YOU KNOW, 1500 CARS GOING IN THEIR FRONT YARD, YOU KNOW, TWICE A DAY OR WHATEVER. BUT I JUST I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. WE THOUGHT THE SAME THING. IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO CONNECT IT.YEAH. I JUST I MEAN, IT'S A DISPERSION PROBABLY THERE'S A REASON THAT IT WOULD WORK. YEAH.
I THINK WE'D ALSO TIE IT. IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD TIE IT. YOU KNOW, THE 62 FIVE POINTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FIRST. BUT IF THAT WAS BETTER THAN A NICE TRAFFIC COM CONNECTION WOULDN'T BE AS DESIRABLE FOR SOMEONE TRYING TO KILL THEM. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WALKABILITY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER TO WALK ON A SIDEWALK THAN THROUGH SOME PEOPLE'S YARDS TO GET FROM THE LINKS TO. YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL BRING THAT BACK.
WE'VE GOT TIME TO STILL KIND OF REFINE THE DOCUMENT. SO APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. WE KEPT A GREEN CONNECTION DIDN'T WE? WE DID KEEP A TRAIL CONNECTION BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR. WE NEED THE BETTER TRAIL CONNECTION ACROSS CENTRAL COLLEGE, ESPECIALLY FROM THE LINKS. YEAH, YEAH. ALSO I JUST YOU TALK ABOUT THE CITY'S COMMITMENT AND, YOU KNOW, BETHLEHEM ARE SOUTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE IS PROBABLY THE WORST SECTION OF ROAD IN NEW ALBANY I THINK. ANYWAYS, NOT JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S NARROW, BUT THERE IS A TON OF TRAFFIC ON THERE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED LIKE BEFORE THIS, EVEN NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE, SOUTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE, WE WALTON PARKWAY. YEAH, WE LIKE THE CHARACTER THAT HAPPENS A LITTLE BIT MORE DOWN HERE. ONCE YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION, THEY HAVE THE TRAIL AND THE HORSE FENCE. AND SO WHAT WE PROPOSED IN OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS JUST CONTINUE THAT CHARACTER AND THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ALL THE WAY UP. AND SIMILARLY WITH US 62. AND MAYBE I'LL FLIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. APOLOGIES FOR FLIPPING AROUND A BUNCH. WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT THAT I FEEL THAT BILHEIMER SHOULD BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY UP, AT LEAST TO THE PARK WITH THE ROAD. I MEAN, IT'S JUST TERRIBLE IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE WALNUT ROAD. YEAH, INTERSECTION WITH A NARROW ROADS AND EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME SPORTING EVENT IS LETTING OUT OR THEY'RE HAVING TOURNAMENT DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S YEAH, IT'S BETHLEHEM IS ACCEPTABLE. BASICALLY NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE TO NEW ALBANY ROAD EAST.
AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PATHS ON OR THERE'S A PATH ANYWHERE ELSE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU'RE ROLLING THE DICE. YEAH. SO THIS SHOWS OUR PROPOSED THOROUGHFARE PLAN BY AGAIN, FOCUSING MORE ON THE CHARACTER OF THE ROADWAY THAN THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION.
BUT WE DID LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. SO A LOT OF THESE ARE STAYING THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING STRATEGIC PLAN. BUT THE ONES THAT ARE BOLDED ARE KIND OF NEWER STREET TYPOLOGIES. SO WE CLASSIFIED WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN HERE ON BILHEIMER, THE EXISTING KIND OF NICE SECTION AS RURAL TRANSITIONAL. AND WE ARE PROPOSING KIND OF CARRYING THAT FORWARD INTO YOUR POINT. LOVE TO SEE IT EXTEND NORTH AS WELL. THE US 62 CORRIDOR HAS OBVIOUSLY GOTTEN A LOT OF INVESTMENT IMPROVEMENT WITH THE PROTECTED BIKE LANE ON STREET BIKE LANE, THE KIND OF COMPLETE STREETS INITIATIVE. SO WE WOULD PROPOSE KIND OF SEEING THAT CARRY FORWARD ALONG THE WHOLE CORRIDO.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT. YEAH, WITH ALL THE KIND OF CURB CUTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND I KNOW THERE'S EFFORTS TO TRY TO KIND OF REDUCE THOSE AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, BUT. THAT'S A BIG ONE.
AND THEN THE PURPLE ONES HERE ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF MAYBE HIGHER LEVEL OF LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD OR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD STREET. SO WE HAD WE KIND OF LOOKED AT MARKET STREET AS AN EXAMPLE, MAYBE OF WHAT THOSE DARKER PURPLE ONES COULD BE, AND THEN NORTH HIGH STREET, AS THAT TYPOLOGY BE MORE OF AN INTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORK WITH MAYBE. ON STREET PARKING, BOTH OF THEM COULD HAVE ON STREET PARKING, KEEPING IT TO TWO TRAVEL LANES PROBABLY MAKES
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SENSE. AND OBVIOUSLY ALL THE STREETSCAPE, THE STREETSCAPE AMENITIES ARE REALLY THE BIG POINT THERE. IN YOUR IN THE PAMPHLET HERE THERE'S A THERE'S A TERM CALLED COMPACT. WHAT WHAT IS THAT FROM A FROM A ROAD PERSPECTIVE. STREETS IN A SUB AREA ARE QUIET AND COMPACT. IS THAT I ASSUME NARROW AND PARKING ON THE SIDE. YEAH I WOULD SAY YEAH. FEWER TRAVEL LANES MAYBE.NOT HAVING MAYBE LIKE A CENTRAL TURN LANE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D.
INVITES MORE TRAFFIC CALMING AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. NARROW NARROW TRAVEL LANES SINCE IT'S MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL OR MEANT TO BE SO JUST THAT. SO I'M NOT CRAZY FROM SIX AND I'M NEW ALBANY LINKS DRIVE. I'M JUST. THIS WILL BE MY LAST COMMENT. BUT RELATIVE TO IT'S NOT LIKE 62 GOING FROM 62 UP TO NEW ALBANY LINKS DRIVE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING NARROW, COMPACT. IT WOULD ALREADY BE GOING THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY INVITE HUGE TRAFFIC VOLUMES. AND IT STILL SAID NO. THERE'S STILL LIKE, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
OKAY. MAYBE, MAYBE WITH MORE EDUCATION WE COULD YOU NEVER KNOW IF THEY REALLY TRUST THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL GET. SO THEY JUST I THINK THEY GET WORRIED IF THEY SEE A LINE IT'S THAT IT'S DONE. AND WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT, LOOK YOU MIGHT HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THEORY OF ON STREET PARKING. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, NARROW LANES. PLUS THERE'S CARS ON THE STREET. SO. TOUCH ON WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET. WE ALSO JUST SORRY I'M FLIPPING ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY REALLY A TYPOLOGY FOR LIKE A SERVICE DRIVE, WHICH THERE DO EXIST A FEW OF THOSE KIND OF IN THIS AREA IN THE, IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA ALREADY. SO WE DECIDED TO INCLUDE THAT AS A TYPOLOGY AS WELL. CERTAINLY YOU COULD SEE LIKE THIS IS JUST KIND OF THIS AGAIN, OUR KIND OF TAKE ON PROPOSED ROADWAY ALIGNMENTS. BUT IF THESE AREAS WERE TO REALLY DEVELOP, YOU COULD SEE MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL ALLEY NETWORK HAPPENING WITH ALLEY LOADED GARAGES, CREATING A REALLY KIND OF QUAINT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. BUT THEN I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PUBLIC REALM IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE CITY, LIKE I SAID, IS REALLY COMMITTED TO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, BUILDING OUT THE LEISURE TRAIL NETWORK IN THIS AREA AND INVESTING IN THOSE PARKS. LIKE I MENTIONED, THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY OBVIOUSLY HAS MORE DIRECT CONTROL OVER. SO WE MADE SURE TO INCLUDE THOSE LOUD AND CLEAR IN THIS PLAN. AND THESE ARE JUST SOME COMMENTS WE GOT ABOUT WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE ENGAGEMENT. SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OF THEM.
THE FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION, LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED, IS PART OF AN ONGOING CORRIDOR STUDY BY ODOT. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE I REIMAGINED, I IMAGINE, IN THE NEXT FEW FEW YEARS. AND THEN THE LEISURE TRAIL NETWORK, LIKE I MENTIONED AND THE PARKS. SO EVERYTHING IN THE DASHED PURPLE ON THIS MAP IS PROPOSED. LEISURE TRAIL CONNECTION. SO OH, AND THEN THESE ARE JUST PULLING FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PARKS FRAMEWORK PLAN FOR KITZMILLER WETLAND PARK AND TIDEWATER PARK. KITZMILLER WOULD BE A BIG IT WAS ENVISIONED TO BE KIND OF MORE OF A DESTINATION PARK. SO THAT WOULD BE HUGE AND COULD POTENTIALLY ALL OF THESE PUBLIC REALM INVESTMENTS COULD POTENTIALLY SPUR SOME OF THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT INTEREST IN THIS AREA. BUT THAT'S DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCUSS HERE? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? THERE'S NOTHING I WANT TO ADD, BUT WE WERE ASKING. WE 515. SO OKAY. SO. COULD YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE TIDEWATER? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT INTERSECTION. ACTUALLY, THIS IS TIDEWATER. IT'S MISLABELED. SORRY. YEAH, THIS IS CENTRAL COLLEGE. SO THIS IS THE FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION, CENTRAL COLLEGE AND 62. AND THEN THIS IS THE TIDEWATER NEIGHBORHOOD. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S LIKE A UTILITY KIND OF AREA RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER. AND THEN REALLY PASSIVE OBVIOUSLY THE BLACKLICK CREEK GOES THROUGH THE AREA. SO THE PARKS FRAMEWORK PLAN HAD ENVISIONED THIS BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PASSIVE PARK WITH JUST LEISURE TRAILS OR SOME MORE NATURAL TRAIL TYPES, BUT ALSO
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CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF PUBLIC ACCESS TO THIS PARK, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY NOT ACCESSIBLE, BARELY ACCESSIBLE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE COMPLEX LIKE THE HOUSES THERE, JUST TO THE EAST? I THINK THAT'S THE TIDEWATER. TIDEWATER. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. CERTAINLY IT'S NOT IN THAT AREA, IF I RECALL THAT. RIGHT. ONE, HUNDRED 62. IT'S LIKE OVER. OVER TIME. IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE A ZOO OR SOME KIND OF OVERGROWN. YOU WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE IT AS A RECREATIONAL SPACE. YEAH. IT LOOKS JUST LIKE AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL. PIECE OF LAND. YEAH. WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS? YEAH, IT'S CURRENTLY CITY OWNED, AND I THINK CLASSIFIED AS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT ACCESSIBLE. SO YEAH, PAINT IT GREEN AND CALL IT A PARK. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY ON THE CITY'S RADAR AS WELL AS KITZMILLER WETLAND PARK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR OTHER SLIDES YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO? THANKS. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, SARAH.THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING IT ALL. AND WHEN DO YOU THINK THE FINALIZATION ON THIS IS GOING TO BE? AGAIN? GOOD QUESTION. SO WE ARE SLATED TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON MAY 5TH AND THEN CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 20TH FOR ADOPTION, AS LONG AS PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS IT FOR ADOPTION. OKAY. ONE THING I HAD IN MY NOTES REAL QUICK I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON SINCE IT BORDERS YOUR AREA THERE. YEAH. WHAT PLANS ARE BEING MADE FOR CENTRAL COLLEGE ROADS? TRAFFIC PROBLEM? FUTURE TRAFFIC PROBLEM? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS CITY'S DOCKET ON CENTRAL COLLEGE? BECAUSE IT GOES DOWN AND CONNECTS UP WITH THE HAMLET THERE. THE HAMLET? YEAH, 605. AND THEN. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR THIS STRETCH OF IT, BUT WE DID KEEP THE BUSINESS PARK TRANSITIONAL CHARACTER. THAT'S WHAT'S EXISTING FOR THIS, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE BUSINESS PARK TYPE OF ROADWAY, LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON WALTON PARKWAY, MISS MILL. YEAH, WE'LL SAY ANECDOTALLY, WE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BEING A SORT OF A TEMPORARY INFLUX SINCE INTEL HAS KIND OF RAMPED UP CONSTRUCTION. PARTS OF MINKIN, THREE TOWNS WERE SHUT DOWN. SO I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A SORT OF SELF-CORRECTING PHASE AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD NEAR CENTRAL COLLEGE. CALM DOWN A BIT MORE AS WELL. BUT WHEN THEY GET IN THE HAMLET THERE AT 605 AND CENTRAL COLLEGE, IT'S. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE. SUPPOSED TO WORK IN THE INTEL AREA. SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LOT THERE. AND WE HAD A. APARTMENT BUILDINGS THERE AT NEW ALBANY ROAD EAST NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE WERE JUST GOING TO THEY SAID, WELL, THEY'LL GET ON 161 AND GO OUT TO BEACH ROAD. WELL, NO, THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD AND GO STRAIGHT ACROSS. YEAH. IT'S THE MOST DIRECT. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. YEAH. YEAH I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE LIKE CONCERNS YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE ON THIS I'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM. WE'LL NOTE CENTRAL COLLEGE AS WELL. YEAH. ANY CONCERN NOTE THAT SOME KIND OF CONNECTIONS. STILL THINK ABOUT THAT CONNECTION OF HOW TO LINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH I THINK THAT'S GOOD. NOW IT LOOKS LIKE OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND HAVE A LOT OF INPUT AND SO FORTH. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PARTICIPATED. AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. YEAH. PULLING IT TOGETHER IF YOU SEE STUFF ALL THE TIME. SO IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS, HAPPY TO HEAR. I THINK MIKE WANTS A HORSE TRAIL TO GO THROUGH. I DON'T RIDE ANYMORE, I DON'T CARE. MAYBE THE GRANDKIDS. YEAH, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE. HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO ACT OUT. THAT IS ONE OF THE ILLUSTRATIONS IS OF KENTLANDS AND GAITHERSBURG, MARYLAND. WELL, THAT HAPPENS TO BE ABOUT A QUARTER MILE FROM MY BROTHER'S HOUSE. AND SO I'VE ACTUALLY SPENT SOME TIME THERE.
AND IT'S AN INTERESTING COMMUNITY. AND MOST OF THIS LAND, THOUGH, IS FLAT, RIGHT?
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IT'S NOT ON THE KIND OF RAVINE SYSTEM THAT EXISTS THERE. BUT I WAS INTERESTED TO SEE THAT POP UP HERE BECAUSE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. SO YEAH, IT'S ONE OF THE NATIONAL EXAMPLES, ONE OF THE FIRST LIKE REALLY GOOD NATIONAL EXAMPLES OF NEW URBANISM. AS A PLANNER.JARGONY TERM. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. GREAT.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING IN AND PRESENTING THAT TO US. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YEAH.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WANT TO BRING UP BEFORE WE ADJOURN. ANYTHING FROM STAFF OR ANYTHING OKAY GREAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE? IS THERE ANYTHING COMING UP? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE. WELL, FOR YOU ALL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE APPLICATIONS THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO MAYBE SOMETHING FOR CITY ACTION. BUT YEAH, I'M NOT CERTAIN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION A SECOND. IT'S
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