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AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE NEW ALBANY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING FOR MONDAY, MAY 12TH, 2025. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. HENSON HERE. MR. HERE, MR. STRASSLER HERE. MR. BROWN HERE. MISS MOORE HERE, MR. MALIK HERE, MR. DAVEY, COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK HERE. THERE ARE SIX VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY
[III. Action on minutes: April 14, 2025]
ACTION ON THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 14TH, 2025 MEETING? I HAVE NO REVISIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES. I THINK THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUOTATIONS OF MR. MALLETT'S. I ASSUME THAT HE WAS HAPPY WITH HIS QUOTATIONS. I'M ALWAYS HAPPY WHEN I'M QUOTED, MR. WRIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS. HEARING NONE. WITH THE BOARD'S PERMISSION, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND. MR. ITEM. YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MISS. MOORE? YES, MR. MALLETT'S. YES, MR. HENSON. YES, MR. STROLLER? YES. MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE SIX VOTES TO[IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda]
APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. STAFF, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? YES. THERE WILL BE AN ADDITION UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS HERE TO DO AN INFORMAL REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO THAT WILL BE AFTER THE US 62 PLAN. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ADMINISTER THE OATH TO ALL WITNESSES AND APPLICANTS WHO PLAN TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. IF YOU PLEASE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY VISITORS HERE FOR ITEMS NOT ON[VI. Cases]
TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CASE. THE FIRST CASE, WHICH IS ARB 26, 2025 FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WAIVERS TO ALLOW FOR GARAGE TO BE BUILT AND WAIVERS FOR GARAGE SIZE, GARAGE DOOR SIZE, GARAGE DOOR VISIBILITY FROM STREET AND PROXIMITY TO PROPERTY LINES AT 6588 NEW ALBANY CONDIT ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS YOST BARNS. COULD WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT? ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S ON NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD, RIGHT, RIGHT SOUTH OF 161. IT IS IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE UNDER RURAL RESIDENTIAL. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS JUST A SITE PLAN SHOWING WHERE THE PROPOSED BARN GARAGE IS GOING TO GO. AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE WEST IS WHERE NEW ALBANY ROAD WOULD BE. AND IT IS BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME GARAGE ELEVATIONS. THIS JUST SHOWS THE FRONT AND THE REAR VIEWS OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE, AS WELL AS THE SIDE VIEW AND A SECTION VIEW OF THE GARAGE. SO LOOKING AT THE DIMENSIONS AND THE MATERIALS, THE PROPOSED GARAGE IS TO BE 30 BY 40 BY TEN FEET, WHICH WOULD BE 1200FT■!S. THE DOOR IS PROPOSED TO BE 16FT WIDE BY EIGHT FEET TALL. THE GARAGE ITSELF WILL BE 15FT TALL, AND THE ROOF IS PROPOSED TO BE STEEL IN AN IVY COLOR SHOWN ON THE MAP OR ON THE POWERPOINT. IT IS MORE OF A GREEN. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL ON THAT SCREEN THERE. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO CHANGE THE ROOF COLOR TO MATCH THAT OF THE EXISTING HOME, AND NOT THE GREEN COLOR, AND THE GARAGE ITSELF WOULD HAVE WOOD SIDING AND WOULD BE THE LIGHT STONE COLOR AS SEEN HERE AS WELL, WHICH DOES MATCH THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE. LOOKING AT THE WAIVERS, WAIVER A IS FOR THE GARAGE SIZE, SO THE GARAGE IS AS THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE GARAGE TO BE 1200FT■!S, WHERE CODE ONLY ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF 800FT■!S. TE APPLICANT PROVIDES AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN CONSIDERATIO, CONSIDERING THE CONTENT OF THEIR SURROUNDING AREA AND THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROOF. IF IT IS APPROVED, THE DESIGN IS APPROPRIATE DUE TO THE MATCHING ON THE EXISTING HOME. THE APPLICATION APPLICANT SUSTAINS SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE INTENT AND STANDARDS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER STRATEGIC PLAN, AS WELL AS DESIGN GUIDELINES. BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ALSO HAVE GARAGE SLASH DETACHED STRUCTURES THAT ARE OVER THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE AREA. IF THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT TO BE WITHIN THE URBAN CENTER CODE, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS REQUESTED SIZE DOING TO BE OVER DUE TO BEING OVER A ONE ACRE LOT. AS STATED BEFORE, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY DOES HAVE A GARAGE THAT IS HAS BEEN GRDFATHEAND IREN BECAU ITSEAS IN BEFOR THEE URBANENTER C THISASCOREATED C THAT. ISVER O SIZE WELL.ASH SORR OY F ASKIERWA, BHE T GAGEAR IS THERE' TO HANG AVE 1FOOT W6 EID RAGEGA DOOR EN ONLWHYEN FEE TT[00:05:02]
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SO IN ASSESSING LET'S TAKE THE 1200 SQUARE FEET VERSUS 800FT. IN ASSESSING THAT IT WAS MET.
WHAT WHAT INTENT WHAT DID WHAT DID STAFF INFER THAT THE INTENT OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE 800FT BE BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOU SAID IT MET THE INTENT, BUT WHAT WHAT INTENT DID YOU WHAT DO YOU WHAT DID YOU THINK THE INTENT OF THE, OF THE UNDERLYING STATUTE WAS? I THINK MOST OF WHAT WE WERE KIND OF BASING IT ON WAS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE OTHER GARAGES IN THE AREA THAT ARE NOT MEETING THIS. SO ESTHETICALLY IT WOULD BE MATCHING THOSE, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT IF IT WASN'T IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE, THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
OKAY, SO LET ME MOVE THEN AGAIN TO THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS THE ESSENTIALLY THE 16FT WIDE GARAGE DOOR, WHICH I THINK ONE WOULD CAN SAFELY SAY THAT'S A DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR, RIGHT? YOU HAVE SINGLE DOORS, YOU HAVE DOUBLE DOORS. THIS IS THE DOUBLE DOOR AGAIN, SINCE THE URBAN CENTER CODE REQUIRES SINGLE DOORS. WHAT DID WHAT DID STAFF ASSESS AGAIN THAT THE INTENT OF THAT REQUIREMENT WAS I BELIEVE FOR THIS ONE, IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT THEY WEREN'T USING TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE DOORS. IT WAS JUST ONE OVERALL DOOR VERSUS HAVING TWO. SO IF I WERE TO READ THE INTENT OF THE CODE AS HAVING AS BASICALLY HAVING SINGLE DOORS AND THIS IS A DOUBLE DOOR, THEN IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR A DOUBLE DOOR TO MEET THE INTENT OF A OF A STATUTE THAT SAYS, DON'T HAVE
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DOUBLE DOORS, RIGHT? I MEAN, ONE COULD GO THROUGH GHANA, ONE CAN GO THROUGH LOTS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND YOU SEE DOUBLE WIDE DOORS THAT GO INTO BOTH BAYS. NEW ALBANY HAS GONE FOR A SINGLE DOOR, SINGLE DOOR, TO THE DISMAY OF SOME. BUT WE WANT WE WANT SMALLER DOORS AND NOT BIGGER DOORS. AND IF THE INTENT, IF THE INTENT OF THAT STATUTE IS HAVE SINGLE DOORS, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW A DOUBLE DOOR CAN, CAN, CAN SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF IT. CORRECT. YEAH. I THINK I WOULD ALSO ADD ON AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ODDBALL IN THE URBAN OR IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HAVE APPROVED SIMILAR VARIANCES IN THE PAST FOR IN THE URBAN DESIGN, NOT IN THE URBAN CENTER. OKAY, THAT'S THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, TO ME, BEING IN THE URBAN CENTER MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD, CORRECT? DOESN'T IT? CORRECT. IT DOES. IT CERTAINLY DOES. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT, THIS IS A DETACHED STRUCTURE DESIGNED AS A BARN. YEP. HAS BEEN USED AS JUSTIFICATION TO ALLOW THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES TO BE BUILT OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN ZONE, OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE. WE DO THINK THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, A LOT OF THOSE SAME PRINCIPLES WOULD APPLY HERE, COULD BE APPLIED HERE. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC YOU'RE GOING THROUGH WITH THE CODE. SO AGAIN, THE SAME THE SAME ONE. AND I'LL NOT BEAT THESE DEAD HORSES. BUT AGAIN I GO THEN TO THE NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. I MEAN IT, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT OF THE OF THE STATUTE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE RELEVANT SECTION OF THE URBAN CENTER. OR MAYBE THIS ONE IS IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, BASICALLY SAYS DON'T HAVE GARAGE DOORS, BE FRONT THE STREET. IF THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO NOT HAVE IT, HOW CAN HAVING IT BE SUBSTANTIALLY, SUBSTANTIALLY SATISFY? THE INTENT IS, I GUESS, WHERE I'M GOING AND I'M NOT. YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SEE HOW THAT CAN EVER BE MET HERE. LEAVING THAT ASIDE, I HAVE OTHER ISSUES, BUT LET ME JUST I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THOSE BECAUSE IT AGAIN, IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THAT THAT. THAT WHAT THE INTENT OF THESE ARE, IS IN THE FIRST CASE DON'T HAVE DOUBLE DOORS. THIS IS A DOUBLE DOOR. AND IN THE SECOND CASE DON'T FRONT THE STREET. AND THIS FRONTS THE STREET. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU POSSIBLY SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF A STANDARD THAT SAYS DON'T HAVE A DOUBLE DOORS BY HAVING A DOUBLE DOOR. SAME THING IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF A STANDARD THAT SAYS DON'T FRONT STREET BY BY HAVING HAVING IT FRONT THE STREET. SO ALL RIGHT. MORE LATER. THANK YOU. JOE BARNES.WOULD THEY LIKE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, MAYBE HAVE SOME INSIGHT FOR US? I'M DAN JEFFRIES I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. US BARNES COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. OKAY, WELL, BETTER YOU THAN BARNES, RIGHT? YEAH. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. I'M CURIOUS. DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER OPTIONS ON PLACEMENT OF THE BARN AND LAYOUT SO THAT IT WOULD MEET? WE DID. THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU SEE WHERE THE HOUSE IS, THE DRIVEWAY IS COMPLETELY TO THE NORTH. THERE'S LITERALLY BETWEEN OUR DRIVEWAY AND OUR PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S LITERALLY LIKE TWO FEET. IF WE MOVED IT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY AND WENT WITH THE DOUBLE DOORS, IT WOULD CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO PUSH THE BARN BACK FURTHER. AND IF THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT THE DOORS IN FRONT, IT WOULD MAKE IT HARD TO PULL IN. IF WE DID THE BARN. IF WE DID THE DOORS ON THE SIDE AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO PUSH IT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND WE'D HAVE TO MAKE OUR DRIVEWAY A LOT LONGER. EVERYTHING ELSE. YEAH.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ESTHETICALLY MATCHING THE PROPERTY JUST NORTH OF US. AND THE PROPERTY, THE TWO PROPERTIES JUST SOUTH OF US, AS BOTH OF THEM HAVE DETACHED GARAGES THAT HAVE DOUBLE DOORS THAT ALL FACE THE STREET. SO ESTHETICALLY, TO HAVE A DOUBLE DOOR TO SINGLE DOORS, A DOUBLE DOOR, A DOUBLE DOOR WOULD LOOK A LITTLE MORE ON THE ODD SIDE IF WE WERE TO PUSH OURS BACK. THEN AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ESTHETIC ISSUES OF THE TWO GARAGES SLASH BARNS AREN'T. SYMMETRICAL. I'M ALSO TRYING TO NOT TAKE AWAY A MAJORITY OF MY BACKYARD WHERE I HAVE CHILDREN AND DOGS. I'M GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. YEAH, THEY USE IT QUITE OFTEN.
COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? I'M SO SORRY. MY NAME IS DANIELLE JEFFERS. I'M THE OTHER OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MY CONCERN IS THE BARN AT 6600 WOULDN'T BE APPROVED TODAY FOR AN URBAN CENTER. AND WE CERTAINLY, I DON'T THINK, ARE LOOKING TO
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REPLICATE THAT THROUGHOUT URBAN CENTER. I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE BARN 12, I CAN ALMOST GET PAST THE 1200 SQUARE FEET, THE 50% INCREASED SIZE OF WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE URBAN CENTER. AND I COULD ALMOST MYSELF UNDERSTAND THE FIVE FEET THAT THE SETBACKS. BUT THE GARAGE DOORS AND THE ORIENTATION AND WE NEED TO DRAW THE LINE IN PLACES THAT WERE HELD TO A STANDARD IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING TO LOOK ANY DIFFERENT THAN OUR CURRENT NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN THE NEWER PART OF NEW ALBANY. WE'RE NOT IN THE NEW BUILDS. WE'RE WE ARE MORE IN A HISTORIC, DIFFERENT AND PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE THESE HOMES WERE ALL BUILT IN THE 1950S. 60S AND I THINK A COUPLE AS LATE AS THE 70S, EXCEPT FOR THE HOUSE DIRECTLY RIGHT NEXT TO US AT 65, 76, WHICH WAS BUILT, I BELIEVE, IN THE EARLY 1900S, MAYBE EVEN LATE 1800S. SO WE'RE JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO MATCH THE ESTHETIC ON THEIRS. ON 6600 ON.WELL, ON 66, 65, 76 AND THEN THE ONE JUST BELOW, BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE DOUBLE DOORS THAT YOU THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THEY'RE ALL SET BACK VERY SIMILAR TO WHERE OURS WOULD BE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THE ROAD. AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR HOUSE IS PRETTY FAR FROM THE ROAD AS WELL, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT EVEN FURTHER BACK FROM OUR HOUSE. SO UNLESS SOMEBODY IS DRIVING BY AND REALLY STARING, WHICH I KNOW PEOPLE DO, BUT IT'S NOT AS NOTICEABLE, IT'S NOT AS IF OUR HOUSE IS WHERE THE HOUSE ON 6600 IS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE GARAGE UP THERE CLOSE TO THE ROAD. SO I'M, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST TO KIND OF LAY OUT FURTHER MY CONCERNS AGAIN IN A BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED IN THE BOARD, I KIND OF FIGURED THAT THAT GIVE A WAIVER IF PEOPLE CAME AND THEY WERE POLITE AND THEY ASKED NICELY, USE IT. YES, YOU'VE DONE THAT. AND UNDER THE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, I'D GIVE IT TO YOU. BUT COUNCIL HAS KIND OF LAID OUT VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MET. AND SO PART OF ME, I'M THE CHALLENGE FOR ME HERE IS TWOFOLD, FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, WHEN COUNCIL DREW THE LINES, THEY PUT YOU GUYS IN THE URBAN CENTER. AND AGAIN, IT WASN'T PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN PHILADELPHIA THAT DID THAT. IT WAS PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE. AND THEY DIDN'T SAY ON THESE WAIVERS. WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ONE OF THE OLDER AREAS, THEN DON'T APPLY ALL THESE EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT STAFF'S DOING. AND PARTICULARLY AS A COUPLE OF PLACES IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS, WELL, IF THEY WEREN'T, IF THEY WEREN'T IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE URBAN CENTER, THEY COULD DO IT. WELL, MY CHALLENGE IS YOU ARE AND TO SOME EXTENT, MAYBE THAT'S COUNSEL'S COUNSEL CAN SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THESE IN THE URBAN CENTER ANYMORE. BUT I THINK COUNCIL MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION BACK WAY BACK WHEN.
THIS IS THE URBAN CENTER AND THE URBAN CENTER COUNCIL SAID WE WANT IT TO LOOK THIS AND IN ORDER AND, AND I UNDERSTAND AND EVEN AND AGAIN AS I LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE JUST SEEN HERE, JUST NORTH OF YOU, IF YOU'VE SEEN ALL THE TREES CUT DOWN, YOU HAVE THE HAMLET COMING. AND FROM MY STANDPOINT, LEAVING ASIDE THE FOUR THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, IF I'D APPROVED A NEW GARAGE DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR FACING THE STREET, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HAMLET WHERE EVERYTHING MATCHES, I'D FEEL KIND OF SILLY BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S CHANGING. YOU NEVER KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT PARTS OF THIS AREA CHANGE. AND COUNCIL BASICALLY SAW THIS AS ULTIMATELY ANYTHING NEW THAT HAPPENED NEEDS TO CONFORM WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE URBAN CENTER CODE. SO WHEN I LOOK AT IT SO I'M SYMPATHETIC. AND THE PART OF ME THAT WANTS TO SAY YOU'RE ASKING NICELY, YOU'RE NICE FOLKS AND, AND I REALLY WANT TO DO IT. BUT IF I WANT IF I, IF I'M INTELLECTUALLY HONEST, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, THE FIRST ONE WHICH SAYS PROVIDE AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN OR PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT, CONSIDERING THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED.
OKAY, THAT ONE I CAN GET STAFF'S, WHICH IS OKAY, LOOK AT LOOK AT WHERE THIS IS. THAT ONE I THINK I'LL GIVE YOU A CHECK MARK. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE FOUR REQUIREMENTS DOWN. AND THEN WE'LL GO QUICKLY TO THE LAST ONE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MISS YOU'RE GOING TO PASS THAT ONE TO NOT DETRIMENTALLY AFFECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE. I'VE NEVER YET HAD ONE OF THESE FAIL ON THAT GROUNDS, THANK HEAVENS. SO WE THEN MEET THE OTHER TWO. YEAH.
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WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO SEEK A WAIVER FROM. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WITH RESPECT TO THE SIZE OF THE DOOR, AS I READ THAT STANDARD, IT SAID IT HAS SINGLE DOORS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN HOW I CAN SAY THAT A DOUBLE DOOR SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE INTENT OF, OF AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GET THERE AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE A NICE GUY. BUT I ALSO COUNSEL WANTS ME TO COME HERE AND COUNSEL SAID, THIS IS HOW YOU APPLY IT. THE SAME THING IN TERMS OF FACING THE STREET. AGAIN, COUNSEL SAID, DON'T FACE THE STREET. SO HOW CAN YOU HOW CAN FACING THE STREET BE SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT, SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF A STANDARD THAT SAYS DON'T FACE THE STREET? AND THAT I MEAN, SAME THING WHEN, WHEN, WHEN BREWDOG WANTED TO PUT A SIGN ON THE ROOF. WELL, THE STANDARD SAID DON'T HAVE ROOFS ON IT AND SO I COULDN'T. AND NO ONE THE BOARD GENERALLY OTHER THAN ONE MEMBER I THINK COULDN'T, COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW YOU COULD GET A WAIVER OR WAIVER TO A STANDARD THAT SAYS NO ROOF SIGNS BY LETTING THEM HAVE ROOFS ON IT. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GET THE COUNCIL EITHER. COUNSEL HAS TO CHANGE IT, BUT I CAN'T. SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GIVE YOU THE THIRD ONE, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT. AS MUCH AS AGAIN, I WANT TO BE A NICE GUY. AND SO THEN THE OTHER ONE IS BE NECESSARY FOR REASONS OF FAIRNESS DUE TO UNUSUAL BUILDING STRUCTURE OR SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. AND WHAT'S UNUSUAL ABOUT IT? I MEAN, OR THE NEIGHBORING CAN. YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE LOOK WITHIN THE SITE. IS IT ON A SLOPE? IS THERE YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE SOIL THAT REQUIRES THEM TO DO SOMETHING? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE LOOKED OUTSIDE THE, THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE PROPERTY FOR THAT. I WOULD SAY AS FAR BACK AS IT IS, I MEAN, IN SUPPORT, IT'S SOMEWHAT ISOLATED. YEAH. SO BUT WHAT MIGHT ONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE. SO MAYBE YOU GET SEE MAYBE YOU GET THE THIRD ONE, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GET SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT WHEN THE INTENT IS DON'T HAVE DOUBLE DOORS AND THE INTENT IS DON'T FACE THE STREET. AND IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO ADD A FEW COMMENTS ON THE HEELS OF YOUR CRITERIA, BECAUSE I DID WANT TO REFERENCE THE CRITERIA, PARTICULARLY THE LAST COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT BEING RESPONSIVE TO UNIQUE SITE CONDITIONS AND OTHER. OTHERWISE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE BARRIERS TO AND OTHERWISE TO OTHERWISE MEETING THE INTENT OF THE OF THE CODE. I WOULD SAY THIS LOOKING AT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE, THE SIZE OF THE SITE, AND THE INTENDED STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. THERE IS A SOLUTION HERE, BUT I'M AFRAID I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE SOLUTION. I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE OF LAND. THE PROPOSED 1200 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT'S ABOUT 2.5% OF THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY. THERE ARE LOTS OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT MR. EYTAN IS MENTIONING. LOCATION, POSITION, EVEN OVERCOMING THE SIZE CONSTRAINT OF THE FREESTANDING STRUCTURE COULD BE AMELIORATED WITH A SIMPLE ROOF STRUCTURE ATTACHMENT TO THE EXISTING HOME THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BYPASS THAT THAT THAT REQUIREMENT ORIENTATION FROM. I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP AS I'M TALKING WITH YOU, ORIENTATION FROM THE STREET, THE SELECTION OF DOORS, AND THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE. ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN BE RECONSIDERED AND PROBABLY PROVIDE THIS BOARD WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES, BUT I'M AFRAID THERE ARE JUST A LOT OF BARRIERS THAT ARE OTHERWISE PERHAPS NOT EASILY OVERCOME, BUT OVERCOME THROUGH THE STANDARD PRACTICE OF DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATION. SO I THINK I DO SHARE THE SENTIMENT OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE SPOKEN THIS EVENING ABOUT THIS, THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ALL. I CERTAINLY DON'T FIND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BE OUTRIGHT OBJECTIONABLE, BUT GIVEN THE NUMBER OF DEVIATIONS FROM THE CODE AND THE SPECIFICITY OF THE CODE AND THE INTENT OF THE CODE, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE A BRIDGE TOO FAR. BUT I DO FEEL AS THOUGH THERE ARE SOLUTIONS HERE. IT JUST IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME TRADE OFFS OF THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU'RE UTILIZING THE PROPERTY, THE BACKYARD SPACE, THE ORIENTATION. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE WEIGHED. I THINK FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SEE PAST SOME OF THE OBVIOUS ITEMS THAT THAT ARE IN CONFLICT WITH THE CODE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONTRIBUTION TO THE CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, COULD ONE OF THOSE COMPROMISES BE THAT WE GIVE UP THE DOUBLE DOOR AND DO TWO SINGLE DOORS AND THAT BE OKAY FACING THE ROAD? THE REASON I[00:25:02]
ASK THAT QUESTION, THE ONLY REASON I ASKED FOR THE DOUBLE DOORS, WAS BECAUSE I THOUGHT, ESTHETICALLY, THAT'S WHAT ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE. SO SURE, ONE ABOVE AND THE TWO, WELL, THE ONE NORTH AND THE TWO SOUTH OF US. SO I THOUGHT ESTHETICALLY THAT'S PROBABLY MOST LIKELY TO GET APPROVED. SO LET'S ASK TO MATCH THEM. BUT IF I THINK THE DOORS. WELL, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. NO THAT'S OKAY. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE DOORS TO ME ARE THE LEAST OF MY PERSONALLY FOR ME IN TERMS OF AS EVALUATING THE ALL THE CRITERIA FOR THE SUBMISSION, THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY A REASONABLE POSITION THAT YOU'VE OFFERED. BUT I THINK THE SIZE, ORIENTATION AND THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF, OF THE PROPERTY ARE PROBABLY MY BIGGER CONCERNS AT THIS POINT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH SOME SIMPLE BUT CREATIVE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT, THE ISSUE OF THE DOORS COULD BE OVERCOME IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS, EVEN IF IT WERE TO REMAIN A DOUBLE DOOR. BUT I THINK TAKING TAKING IT IN ITS ENTIRETY, I AM JUST FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO FIND A WAY TO SAY YES TO SOMETHING THAT OTHERWISE HAS A LOT OF NOS. WHEN I EVALUATE THE CRITERIA. SO I, I HAVEN'T STUDIED THE PROPERTY IN DETAIL, BUT JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE BOTH ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENCIES, I THINK THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS HERE THAT WOULD PROBABLY ALLOW YOU TO OVERCOME THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED THIS EVENING. WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST? WELL, I THINK YOU CAN OVERCOME THE ORIENTATION OF IT FACING THE STREET. I THINK YOU CAN OVERCOME THE LOCATION.THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE PROPERTY TO REPOSITION IT. FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, I THINK FOR THE SIZE VARIANCE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S COME IN FRONT OF US SEVERAL TIMES WHERE IT IS AS, AS MR. HANSON INDICATED, 50% LARGER THAN WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS. THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE IF WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS UNIQUELY SHAPED AND IT REQUIRED A SLIGHT OVERSTEP OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT, BUT THIS IS SUBSTANTIAL. AND THERE ARE AGAIN, THERE ARE WAYS TO OVERCOME THAT, BUT IT MAY REQUIRE CONNECTIVITY TO THE EXISTING HOME OR OTHER WAYS TO ALLOW THAT LARGER STRUCTURE TO EXIST. BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN JUST APPROVE THAT OUTRIGHT WITHOUT ANY OTHER COMPELLING CASE TO BE MADE FOR IT TO BE LARGER. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND PROBABLY WHY YOU WOULD LIKE A LARGER STRUCTURE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT LATITUDE IN THE IN THE CODE. SO YEAH, WE JUST AND WE DON'T AND WE DON'T HAVE THE LATITUDE TO ALLOW IT. SO I'M LOOKING FOR YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FOR REASONS TO SAY YES, BUT I'M, I'M SEEING TOO MANY REASONS THAT WE NEED TO SAY NO. BUT THERE BUT LIKE I SAID I THINK THERE ARE THERE'S JUST AS I ALREADY MENTIONED, THERE ARE WAYS TO, I THINK, OVERCOME IT, BUT IT PROBABLY WILL REQUIRE SOME TRADE OFFS IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'RE USING THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. AND AS I'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND AS MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS KNOW, I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE A SKETCH WITH STAFF JUST TO, YOU KNOW, HELP MOVE IT ALONG IF THAT HELPS YOU FIND A WAY FORWARD. BUT THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I HAVEN'T. I DON'T HAVE THAT SITTING IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST TRYING NOT TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE BACKYARD BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN, IT'S A VERY NARROW SURE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE FROM THERE, BUT BUT YOU ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE IT. SO YOU ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE ROOM. SO IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW YOU UTILIZE IT.
I DON'T WANT TO UTILIZE THE WHOLE YARD FOR SURE. AND THAT'S THAT'S YOUR LOOK OUT MY BACK WINDOW AND SEE MY KIDS, NOT THE KIDS BEHIND THE GARAGE. UNDERSTOOD SAFETY CONCERNS. AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY YOUR DECISION. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY POSITION. JUST JUST SO I CAN SO FROM MY STANDPOINT AND I'LL LET THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, I THINK I CAN FIND MY WAY ON THE FIVE FOOT VERSUS WHATEVER THE CODE REQUIREMENT. I THINK I CAN FIND MY WAY TO BE RECEPTIVE TO THAT. THE SIZE I WILL. I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THE LEAD OF MY OTHER MEMBERS. BUT I THINK FOR ME, FACING THE STREET AND THE DOUBLE WIDE, WHEN THE CODE SAYS SINGLE WIDE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GET PAST. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS MAY BE ABLE TO GET PAST THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN JUST AGAIN, FOR THE REASON I SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MEET THE INTENT OF A CODE THAT SAYS DON'T HAVE DOUBLE DOORS. BY EVERYONE I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S ILLOGICAL AGAIN, AND I'M SYMPATHETIC. YOU'RE STUCK IN THE URBAN CENTER. WHY ARE YOU IN THE URBAN CENTER? BUT I DIDN'T DO IT. I JUST HAVE, BUT I HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT COUNSEL SAID FOR ME TO DO, RATHER THAN DO WHAT THE NICE GUY WOULD LIKE TO DO. WHICH IS TO SAY YES, BECAUSE YOU'RE SO NICE. SO. I AGREE, THERE'S REASONS FOR ALL OF US WHO WANT TO SAY YES, BUT THERE'S WE'RE HELD BACK BY WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO REVIEW AND HOW THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
I AGREE WITH MR. MALOUF. I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO THROUGH DESIGN, AND MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO
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SACRIFICE HOW YOU USE SOME OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S THERE ARE SOLUTIONS. CAN I ASK WHY WE WOULD WRITE A CODE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY THAT THE HOUSES WERE INITIALLY BUILT? TALK, TALK TO COUNSEL. WE JUST DO WHAT WE JUST DO WHAT COUNSEL WROTE. AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY ON COUNSEL WAS THE ONE THAT WROTE THIS, BUT I WASN'T THERE. BUT BUT, BUT BUT THERE ARE TWO SOLUTIONS. GET CLOSER TO YOU SO THAT YOU SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS. THE OTHER IS TO GO TO COUNSEL AND SAY CHANGE WHAT? CHANGE WHAT IT SAYS. AND BUT BUT TO ME, FOR ME AT LEAST TO BE TO DO MY JOB, I'VE GOT TO SEE THAT ALL FOUR THINGS ARE MET. AND I THINK PROBABLY I'LL GIVE YOU THREE OF THEM, BUT I CAN'T GET TO THE SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT ONE. OKAY. AND I DEFINITELY WELCOME ANY SUGGESTIONS ON CHANGES THAT WOULD BE APPROVED.I THINK HAVING A SKETCH FROM MR. MALTZ AND WORKING WITH STAFF WOULD BE VERY GOOD WAY TO MOVE FORWARD FOR YOU GUYS, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO A YES FOR YOU. BUT RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CALL FOR A MOTION TO TABLE THIS. WHY DON'T WE TABLE IT SO THEY CAN I'LL LET STAFF IF THEY'RE GOING TO AMEND THEIR APPLICATION THAT WOULD, WOULD A TABLE ALLOW THEM TO DO IT AND COME BACK TO US RATHER THAN TURN IT DOWN BECAUSE WE TURN IT DOWN. THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY THE FEE.
CORRECT? YEP. YEAH. TABLING A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FOR. 60 DAYS. AND IF YOU'RE NOT READY, THEN COME TABLE 30. WELL YOU CAN COME BACK. WE'VE TABLED IT. THE FACT THAT WE'VE TABLED IT FOR 60 DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T. WE JUST DON'T NEED TO TABLE IT AGAIN. RIGHT? RIGHT. N, I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION TO TABLE IT FOR 60 DAYS. WHO'S THE FIRST, MR. HANSEN? THANK YOU.
MR. HANSEN. YES, MR. AITKEN? YES. MR. MALITZ. YES, MR. STROLLER? YES, MR. BROWN. YES, MISS MOORE. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE TABLING THE APPLICATION FOR 60 DAYS. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. GOOD LUCK WITH IT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT CASE IS ARB 2925. SORR, ARB 29 2025 FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REPLACEMENT, REPLACEMENT OF ONE WALL SIGN AND TWO WINDOW SIGNS AT 160 WEST MAIN STREET, THE APPLICANT HAS SIGNED COM INC. WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT PLEASE. YEAH. GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. SO THIS APPLICATION IS GOING TO CHANGE SIGNAGE FOR THE TENANT GODDESS MAINTENANCE COMPANY. PREVIOUSLY THE W NAIL BAR. SO ON. SO THE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT HERE IN RED WITH FRONTAGE ON BOTH WEST MAIN STREET AND AT THE REAR ALONG THE PARKING LOT. SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED WINDOWS SIGNS. THERE ARE A TOTAL OF THREE WINDOW SIGNS BEING PROPOSED, TWO ALONG WEST MAIN STREET AND ONE AT THE REAR INTERNAL TO THE PARKING LOT. ALL THREE WINDOW SIGNS MEET THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR WINDOWS SIGNS IN THE DISTRICT. SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED WALL SIGN IN THE IN THE PREVIOUS WALL SIGN. EXCUSE ME. THE PROPOSED SIGN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AND IS SMALLER IN SIZE COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS WALL SIGN. AND THAT'S WHY STAFF WAS OKAY WITH THE CHANGE IN SIZE. THE SIGN WILL BE EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED USING THE EXISTING GOOSENECK FIXTURES. AND SO IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED WALL SIGN REPLACES THE EXISTING SIGN AND FITS WITHIN THE REQUIRED SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE PROPOSED SIGN APPEARS TO BE APPROPRIATE AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING AND THE OVERALL VILLAGE CENTER. THE PROPOSED WINDOWS SIGNS ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER MEETS ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WHY WHY WHY ISN'T THIS A REPLACEMENT? I BELIEVE IT'S FROM THIS THE CHANGE IN SIGN SIZE. OKAY, SO IT'S SIMPLY THE. BUT THE WINDOWS ARE THEY JUST BE A THEY'D BE A WOULDN'T THEY BE A REPHASING. NO NOT THE SAME SIZE OKAY. BUT BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIGN ON THE WINDOW IN THE BACK VERSUS THE ANNOYING WALL SIGN THAT THAT THAT SO ANNOYED ME PREVIOUSLY. CORRECT. YES. OKAY. I'M I'M ECSTATIC ABOUT THOSE SIGNS. IS THERE GOING TO BE A WALL SIGN IN THE REAR TOO, OR JUST IN THE FRONT? JUST IN THE FRONT FACADE ON, ON WEST MAIN. OKAY. AND THEN THE THREE WINDOW SIGNS, NOT NOT THIS FALSE WALL SIGN THAT MADE A FALSE THE ONE THAT. SO THEY'LL JUST BE THAT. THEY'LL JUST BE THE THREE. CORRECT? YEAH. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE ONE THAT'S NOT A SIGN. WELL, THERE WAS A BUILDING THAT IS STILL THERE.
WELL, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY WE TURNED DOWN FOR AS TOO LARGE A REAR WINDOW SIGN.
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THAT THAT WAS WHAT WAS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR. AND WE SAID, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT THAT BIG. AND SO THEY PUT IT ON THE WALL TWO FEET BEHIND THE WINDOW. YES. THAT'S STILL THERE. THAT'S STILL THERE.IS IT, IS IT, IS IT. ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP IT. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT HERE, BUT THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED A SIGN. I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT IT THAT JIM HARTLEY WAS SIGNED. YES SIR. THAT SIGN WILL STILL BE THERE. IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE PERMITTED. IT'S INTERIOR. SO WHAT IS IT GOING TO SAY. IT SAYS GODDESS WITH THE LOGO VERY SIMILAR TO THE WINDOW SIGN. AND. BUT SO IT'S ALREADY THERE. IT'S NOT A REGULATED SIGN. IT'S INTERIOR ON THE WALL.
IT DOESN'T. AND ITS APPLICATION I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THEN WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING IT? BECAUSE IT IRRITATES YOU. BECAUSE BECAUSE IT WAS A REQUEST THAT THAT THAT THE SIGN SHOULD GET AMENDED TO COUNT IT AS A SIGN. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT NEVER BEEN DONE. QUESTION. STAFF. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION. SO AGAIN I THERE WAS THERE WAS A CONCERN ON, ON, ON, ON MY PART LAST TIME THAT THAT THE W NAIL BAR PUT THAT SIGN ON THE WALL THAT WAS MUCH BIGGER AFTER WE TURNED THEM DOWN ON A SIGN ON THE WINDOW AND THEY JUST PUT IT BACK ON THE WALL TWO FEET BACK. CORRECT. SO THE QUESTION WAS, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT ABOUT AMENDING THE SIGN CODE TO, TO PICK THOSE UP SO THAT SOMEBODY COULDN'T DO THAT. YEAH. THAT WAS NEVER PURSUED BY STAFF. ALL RIGHT. AND SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE IT'S GOING TO THE CONDITION IS GOING TO CONTINUE THIS TIME BECAUSE WE'VE NOT DONE IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER SIGN THAT'S BIGGER THAN WHAT WE WOULD ALLOW TWO FEET BACK. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND? IT'S BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A SIGN. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT AN EXTERIOR SIGN THAT REQUIRES A PERMIT. SO IT'S NOT BIGGER THAN YOU ALLOW. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, EXCEPT THAT THAT I GUESS I WOULD, WOULD COMMENT TO COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK THAT WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT CLOSE TO A WINDOW, SHOULD THAT NOT BE CONSIDERED A SIGN, DUBLIN ACTUALLY REVISED THEIR CODE THAT IF IT'S VISIBLE IT'S CONSIDERED, BUT YOUR CODE DOES NOT. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S WHY I GUESS I'M I'M GOING TO POSE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN. YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF LAST TIME, SHOULD WE SHOULD OUR SIGN CODE PICK THAT UP? I CERTAINLY THINK OUR STAFF SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO IT. YEAH. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I REMEMBER THIS. I WASN'T THE ARB LIAISON AT THAT TIME, BUT I DO REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT IT AND I DID. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE LOOKED INTO BY STAFF. AND I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE. I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AT COUNCIL.
YEAH. THANK YOU. ANYTHING THAT IS SO CLEARLY DESIGNED TO AVOID THE INTENT OF OUR OUR CODE CURRENTLY SHOULD BE PICKED UP IN OUR CODE. CAN YOU COME BACK? CAN YOU REPORT TO US AT THE NEXT MEETING? WHAT, IF ANYTHING, HAS BEEN DONE AND TOGGLE SOMEBODY TO CONTINUE TO REPORT TO US UNTIL UNTIL THERE'S A RESOLUTION THE COUNCIL TURNED YOU DOWN OR. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD. SO AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WONDERFUL. I MEAN, I LIKE THE SIGNS. I'M ANNOYED THAT THAT'S THERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CODE HASN'T CHANGED. THANK YOU. SO THERE SAYS THERE'S THREE IDENTICAL WINDOW SIGNS AND THE AND HERE SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE TWO IN THE FRONT AND THEN THE ONE ON THE WINDOW IN THE BACK. THAT'S OPPOSITE OF THE SIGN YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT. SO IT'LL BE ALL FOUR WINDOWS WILL HAVE SIGNS IN THEM. SO THREE OF THE THREE ONE IN THE BACK WINDOW, ONE WINDOW SIGN IN THE BACK ATTACHED TO THE WINDOW. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN NO WALL, NO WALL SIGN IN THE BACK. ONE WOULD BE PERMITTED. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO THAT EXPENSE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH VISIBILITY EXCEPT TO THE PARKING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE COMMENT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST ADD AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE THIS THE NEW SIGN IS SHORTER TO PATCH AND REPAIR THE BRICK HOLES WHERE THE BOLTS WERE AND MAKE SURE THE NEW LOGO DIDN'T LAY OUT HORIZONTALLY, IT JUST BE SHARED SPACE. ABSOLUTELY. BUT YEAH, JUST REVISED IN SIZE. AS LONG AS THE BRICK IS REPAIRED, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE FINE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THEN. TO APPROVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPLICATION A OR B 29 2025 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE BRICK AREAS THAT ARE EXPOSED FROM THE SMALLER SIGN BE TUCKPOINTED AND REPAIRED. I'LL SECOND. MR. HANSEN. YES. MR.
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BROWN. YES. MR. YES. MR. YES. MISS. MOORE. YES. MR. YES. THE MOTION PASSES ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THAT THE BRICK HOLES BE TUCKPOINTED AND[VII. Other business]
REPAIRED. OTHER BUSINESS ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE FOR US 62 INTERCHANGE FOCUS AREA STAFF. GIVE US JUST A MINUTE TO GET SWITCHED OVER HERE. WHILE KYLIE IS DOING THAT, I WILL INTRODUCE SARAH LILLY AND FROM MXQ THEY'RE HERE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A PRESENTATION OR AN UPDATE. REALLY? ON THE US 62 INTERCHANGE FOCUS AREA PLAN, WHICH IS A PLANNING PROJECT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST 14 MONTHS. TRACY MOORE HAS BEEN ON OUR STEERING COMMITTEE.SHE'S ATTENDED MEETINGS WITH US. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING THERE. WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE THE RESULTS OF ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'VE BEEN WORKING, OR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MXQ. NOW AGAIN, SARAH LILLY AND I WILL SAY, THOUGH I'LL MENTION THIS NOT TO STEAL THE THUNDER, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT PROBABLY DEFINITELY THE. THIS THE PLANNING PROJECT THAT'S RECEIVED THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE'VE EVER HAD ON ANY STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THIS IS JUST A FOCUSING ON A SMALL PART OF THE CITY IN COMPARISON TO THE WHOLE. BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST AND EYEBALLS ON THIS, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE THE FINDINGS WITH YOU GUYS. GREAT. HI. HI. GOOD EVENING. LIKE CHRIS SAID, MY NAME IS SARAH LILLY.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE PLANNER AT MXQ. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF, AND WE'RE ALSO ALSO A PLANNER. SO I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF HERE, BUT THIS IS A STRATEGIC PLAN. ADDENDUM TO THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY OVERRIDE THE FUTURE LAND USE AND FUTURE THOROUGHFARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE GEOGRAPHY SHOWN IN BLUE HERE. SO JUST AN UPDATED PLAN FOR THIS AREA. PART OF THIS AREA, THE TSALI INDUSTRIAL PARK, WAS IDENTIFIED AS A FOCUS AREA IN THE ENGAGEMENT ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THIS IS KIND OF AN A DEEP DIVE INTO THAT AREA. BUT ALSO AGAIN, ALL THE GROUND YOU SEE IN BLUE THERE ALONG THE US 62 CORRIDOR. AND THIS AREA IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. IT'S A TRANSITION TRANSITIONAL AREA WITHIN THE CITY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS, KIND OF ON THE WEST TO BUSINESS PARK ON THE EAST FROM VILLAGE CENTER, SOUTH OF 161 TO ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS NORTH OF 161. AND IT'S A MAJOR GATEWAY INTO THE CITY FROM THE NORTH. AND REALLY ONE OF THE LAST FEW AREAS OF THE CITY TO KIND OF HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT GROUND OR DEVELOPABLE GROUND. AND BEING THAT IT'S LOCATION IS VERY CONNECTED TO THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND ALSO WHAT'S HAPPENING SOUTH OF 161 ON THE GANTON PROPERTY.
SO THIS AREA IS HOME. IT'S ABOUT 570 ACRES, HOME TO ABOUT 200 RESIDENTS TODAY, JUST OVER 100 BUSINESSES THAT EMPLOY OVER 800 PEOPLE. AND OBVIOUSLY US 62 IS A MAJOR VEHICULAR CORRIDOR.
DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU MEASURE IT, IT'S BETWEEN 24 AND 25,000 VEHICLES PER DAY THAT TRAVEL ALONG US 62. AND SO, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT NOW IS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A TRANSITIONAL AREA FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THAT NEW ALBANY HAS BEEN SEEING IN RECENT YEARS AND INCREASED DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA, JUST HAS WARRANTED SOME ADDITIONAL KIND OF STANDARDS AND A DEEPER LOOK AT HOW THIS AREA SHOULD DEVELOP AND REDEVELOP IN THE FUTURE. AND SO THIS PLAN IS REALLY A POLICY GUIDE FOR STAFF AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, LIKE YOU ALL, AS YOU EVALUATE FUTURE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE STUDY AREA, AND TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT FUTURE LAND USE GUIDANCE. SO WE DID WE WENT THROUGH A VERY ROBUST PROCESS AND REALLY KIND OF ASKED OURSELVES A COUPLE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT WE TRIED TO ANSWER THROUGH THIS PROCESS. ONE BEING, HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY FEEL ABOUT THE FOCUS AREA TODAY? AND WE DID THAT THROUGH A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT THAT YONCA WILL SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT. SO KIND OF MORE OF THAT QUALITATIVE RESEARCH AND THEN WHAT ARE KIND OF THE MARKET REALITIES THAT ARE DRIVING DEVELOPMENT IN THIS FOCUS AREA. AND WE DID THAT BY ENGAGING THE CITY ACTUALLY DIRECTLY ENGAGED MARKET ANALYSIS FIRM CALLED DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES OUT OF SAINT LOUIS, WHO PROVIDED MORE OF THAT QUANTITATIVE LOOK AT THINGS. SO
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I'LL LET YANKO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND THROUGH THE VERY ROBUST ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. BEFORE WE TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE. SURE. JUSTICE. YEAH. LIKE KRIS MENTIONED, LIKE SARAH MENTIONED, REALLY SUCCESSFUL ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. WE RECEIVED UPWARDS OF 1500 UNIQUE COMMENTS. AND THAT WAS THROUGH THE SURVEY RESPONSES. AND THEN ALSO A INTERACTIVE MAPPING TOOL THAT WE LAUNCHED ONLINE FOR ALL RESIDENTS TO USE, AND TO GIVE US SOME COMMENTS ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USES THEY MIGHT WANT TO SEE, AND THEN ALSO DIFFERENT AREAS OF OPPORTUNITY OR CONCERN WITHIN THE FOCUS AREA. WE GOT A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA IMPRESSIONS AS WELL, AND THAT WAS THROUGH VIDEOS THAT WERE RAN BY THE COMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAD A 22 MEMBER STEERING COMMITTEE THAT MET FIVE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, THROUGH DIFFERENT MILESTONES THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING AND DECISION MAKING.AND THEY REALLY HELPED GUIDE THIS PLAN. AND THEY GOT INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF WHAT THIS PLAN MEANS FOR THE FOCUS AREA, BUT ALSO FOR THE REST OF THE FOR THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. SO. SO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE THREE DIFFERENT PUBLIC MEETINGS. AGAIN, WE RAN A PUBLIC SURVEY THAT WAS PAPER SURVEYS AND ALSO ONLINE SURVEYS. AND AGAIN, THE SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT HUB AND ALL THESE ARE OUTLINING THE PLAN. YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THEM SORT OF SPECIFIC SENTIMENTS THAT THAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. SO REALLY THIS IS A THIS IS AN ATTEMPT ON OUR END OF SORT OF COMING UP WITH FIVE DIFFERENT MESSAGES HERE OF SORT OF THE KEY THEMES FROM ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ONES THAT REALLY STRIKE, REALLY STRIKE THE TONE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS PREFER DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESTAURANTS, COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS, SERVICES THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING OFFERED. SOME OF THE MORE COMMON COMMENTS WE RECEIVED WERE, YOU KNOW, MORE HEALTHY DINING OPTIONS, SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, FAMILY ORIENTED SORT OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT FEEL A BIT MORE WALKABLE, FEEL A BIT MORE INVITING AND FEEL A BIT LESS SORT OF OFF OF 62, RIGHT? AGAIN, KITZMILLER AND TIDEWATER PARKS WERE WERE TWO TWO PLANNED PARKS FROM BACK IN 2022. THAT WOULD REALLY HELP KIND OF STITCH THE PARK CONNECTIVITY FABRIC IN THE ENTIRE CITY. A COUPLE OF SORT OF PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, SAFETY, CONNECTIVITY ISSUES THAT KIND OF STEM FROM 62. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE TRAIL GAPS ALONG KITZMILLER, BILHEIMER PARK CENTRAL CENTRAL COLLEGE THAT WOULD REALLY HELP SORT OF CONNECT SOME OF THE SOME OF THE SORT OF BIKE ROUTES AND PEDESTRIAN ROUTES THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN TO DOWN TO 62. SO REALLY SO THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF THE QUALITATIVE PART OF THIS. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THIS QUANTITATIVE SETS OF QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO GET ANSWERED. AND LIKE SARAH SAID, DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES THAT KIND OF TAKE A TWO PRONGED APPROACH.
THEY DO THE STUDY AND THEN THEY KIND OF COME UP WITH A BIT OF A STRATEGY TO KIND OF GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO. SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS THAT YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE IN THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND HERE GREATLY EXCEEDS SUPPLY. AND THAT'S TRUE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MARKET AREA. THERE'S A MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, HIGHER GROWTH IN JOBS HERE THAN RESIDENTS. AND THAT KIND OF DRIVES THE TYPE OF RETAIL DEMAND THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE AREA.
THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, MIXED WITH THAT, THERE'S A THERE'S A CURRENT SUPPORT FOR THE CURRENT MIX OF USES. THERE'S POSITIVE VISITATION TRENDS. AND REALLY WHAT THAT'S POINTING TO IS THAT BECAUSE THIS FOCUS AREA IS HEALTHY IN THE SENSE OF THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT IT'S PROVIDING, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S CURRENTLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY ALIGNS WITH OR NOT. CAN I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND? JUST YEAH, JUST JUST KIND OF THIS KIND OF IS A PRECURSOR THING FOR ME. IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT AND STOP ME IF I'M NOT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRIMARY MARKET AREA INCLUDED EASTON, CORRECT. WHY? I MEAN THAT THAT REALLY SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE THAN EVERYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 270. IT'S.
SO THE PMA IS BASICALLY A TEN MINUTE COMMUTE DISTANCE, BUT IT ALSO KIND OF ACCOUNTS FOR SOCIOECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHIC DATA AS WELL. IN TERMS OF THE CONSUMER BASE, THAT WOULD BE DRAWN FROM THE FOCUS AREA ELSEWHERE IN HERE. I JUST NOTED ONE THAT SAID THERE WERE THERE WERE MORE THAN ENOUGH RESTAURANTS. AND IF YOU INCLUDE EASTON. YEAH, BUT YEAH, GOING TO EASTON IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN EATING LOCALLY, I GUESS IS WHERE I WAS KIND OF GOING. OKAY.
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THANK YOU. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE POINTING TO IS THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF RETAIL CENTERS IN THIS, IN THIS MARKET AREA THAT SERVE DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS AND DIFFERENT GROUPS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT TO EAT LOCALLY, I DON'T THINK OF EASTON. I GOTTA WORRY ABOUT WHERE I'M GOING TO PARK. RIGHT? I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF HERE. I'M HOPEFULLY I'M GOING TO DRIVE UP AND I'M GOING TO WALK INTO THE RESTAURANT. I'M GOING TO WALK A LITTLE DISTANCE TO THE RESTAURANT. BUT THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WONDERED, YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT IN THERE? BUT THANK YOU. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. OKAY. ALL GOOD. BUT YEAH. SO IT IS A COMPETITIVE RETAIL ENVIRONMENT. DIFFERENT TYPES OF RETAIL CENTERS THAT SERVE MANY DIFFERENT PURPOSES. WE TOUCHED ON EASTON TOWN CENTER THAT DRAWS AN ENTIRE STATE ALMOST TO THIS AREA. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT STORY WHEN YOU THINK OF HAMPSTEAD VILLAGE MARKET DISTRICT SUPERMARKET. SO, YOU KNOW, BIG QUESTION IS HOW DOES THIS FOCUS AREA SORT OF ACCOMMODATE AND SORT OF PLAY ON ONTO THOSE OTHER SORT OF RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS? AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, RIGHT, AS WE KIND OF HAVE SEEN THIS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IS RETAIL OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER, HAVE KIND OF LAGGED BEHIND. AND NOW NOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH HAS CONTINUED TO STEADILY INCREASE. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE SORT OF AUTO WARRANTY, AUTO ORIENTED SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU THAT'S KIND OF TYPICAL OF SORT OF THIS TYPE OF SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT AND THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE REGION. RIGHT. SO THIS KIND OF JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, TODAY IT'S A RELATIVELY HEALTHY MARKET SORT OF AUTO ORIENTED RETAIL MARKET. THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO SORT OF ACCOMMODATE AND FACILITATE THAT IN A GOOD WAY. AND REALLY WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT IN THIS AREA. SO TODAY IN A CITY MARKET, WE CAN PROBABLY ANTICIPATE 25 TO 30,000 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS MAYBE 3 TO 5 ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE A SIMILAR SIZE TO SHEETZ, OR TO SOME OF THE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS HERE.AND WHAT WE CAN DO FROM THAT POINT IS WE CAN ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL SORT OF MINI NODES, WHICH IS BASICALLY IT'S A TYPE OF STRIP CENTER DEVELOPMENT THAT HELPS FACILITATE ACCESS, HELPS CONSOLIDATE ACCESS. IT HELPS SORT OF MAINTAIN A SORT OF MORE WALKABLE SET OF ADJACENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PARK ONE ONE PLACE AND KIND OF GET TO MULTIPLE ESTABLISHMENTS. THEN THERE'S ALSO THIS CONCEPT OF TENANT CURATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMEWHAT AN ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE THAT CAN KIND OF HELP DRAW THE TYPES OF TENANTS THAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. RIGHT? WE HEARD WE HEARD SORT OF TENANTS ABOUT. TRADER JOE'S, LUCKY'S MARKET, THOSE TYPES OF TENANTS. THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME STEPS THAT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE TO HELP SORT OF FACILITATE THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE TYPES OF TENANTS ARE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF THEIR CONSUMER BASE AND THE SORT OF BUILT ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT. RIGHT. BUT AS WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ROUTE THAT THAT COMMUNITY WANTS TO CONTINUE TO SEE HERE. SO THE REAL QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE THROUGH PLACEMAKING, HOW DO WE KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW TO INTERVENE IN THE MARKET TO SORT OF CREATE A NEW MARKET? RIGHT. AND IF YOU OBSERVE SORT OF THE OBSERVED GROWTH TREND HERE, YOU KNOW, IN A STEADY MARKET, WE'RE STILL GOING TO SEE STEADY DEMAND. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. BUT WE MIGHT SEE LESS VARIETY. RIGHT. AND SO THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, CREATE MORE DEMAND, CREATE MORE VARIETY AT THE SAME TIME. AND REALLY THE ANSWER THERE AND THE ANSWER THROUGHOUT THE REGION IS INTRODUCE A LEVEL OF MIXED USE DENSITIES. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT HERE SOON. BUT I'LL LET YOU GUYS SAY. SO YEAH.
LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS SORT OF THE STATUS QUO APPROACH. WE THE MARKET ANALYSIS FOUND THAT WE HAVE WE THIS AREA, THIS FOCUS AREA COULD SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL 25 TO 30,000FT■!S. AND THAT'S ACCOUNTING FOR PIPELINE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE THE HAMLET AND VILLAGE CENTER BUILD OUT. SO OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS, WE COULD KIND OF CONTINUE TO GROW THE WAY WE HAVE AND MAYBE IMPROVE WHERE WE CAN THROUGH THESE TWO STRATEGIES OF THE MINI NODES AND TENANT CURATION, OR WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND WITH THE PUBLIC, WAS MAYBE IT'S TIME TO SWITCH THINGS UP AND DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THIS AREA. WE'VE GOT SOME GROUND LEFT TO DO THAT HERE. SO THIS IS SORT OF AN ORANGE. ARE THE PARCELS THAT WOULD BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO CHANGE. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF SCATTERED OWNERSHIP IN THIS AREA. UNLIKE A LOT OF OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY. AND SO WHERE WE LANDED FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE CHARACTER MAP IS WHAT
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YOU SEE HERE. AND THERE'S A FEW COLORS HAPPENING, BUT I'LL KIND OF WALK THROUGH THEM. SO THE TAN COLOR, WHICH IS THE LIGHT BLUE COLOR AND THE RED COLOR ARE PRETTY MUCH HOW IT IS TODAY. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY RECOMMENDING A LOT OF CHANGES WITHIN THOSE CHARACTER DISTRICTS. BUT THE DARK PURPLE, THE LIGHT PURPLE AND THE YELLOW ARE WHAT WE'VE KIND OF TERMED THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS THIS NEW TYPE OF LAND USE DISTRICT THAT WE'VE ARRIVED AT THROUGH A LOT OF KIND OF TESTING AND KIND OF THROUGH THROUGH ALL THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND SO THERE'S THESE THREE SUBDISTRICTS WITHIN THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT TO REALLY EMPHASIZE A DEVELOPMENT GRADIENT OR GOING FROM MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT USE, USES OR LAND USES ALONG THE MAJOR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS OF WALTON PARKWAY AND 62 AND REALLY TRYING TO BE VERY CONTEXT SENSITIVE TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS, WHICH WOULD KIND OF SO THIS KIND OF STEP DOWN APPROACH TO DEVELOPMENT INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH ARE KIND OF MORE OF THAT YELLOW COLOR THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP. SO HERE'S JUST A FEW KIND OF PRECEDENT IMAGERY. AND REALLY THE PURPOSE HERE IS TO ENCOURAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERN, INTRODUCING SOME DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF HOUSING HERE. AND REALLY EMPHASIZING DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON QUITE YET, IS A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. PEOPLE DON'T THINK THIS AREA IS UP TO PAR WITH THE REST OF NEW ALBANY. IT DOESN'T FIT THE SAME CHARACTER. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU ALL LEND YOUR EXPERTISE. IN, IN HELPING, YOU KNOW, TO UPHOLD NEW ALBANY'S CHARACTER IN THE URBAN CENTER.BUT ONE THING WE DID TALK ABOUT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER THAT I'LL JUST KIND OF BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO, IS EXPLORING THE OPTION FOR ARB TO HAVE DOMAIN OVER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS IN THIS FOCUS AREA AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UPHOLDING DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER, HIGH QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AS WELL. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IS THAT WE DID KIND OF BORROW FROM THE URBAN CENTER CODE, THE IDEA OF BUILDING TYPOLOGIES AND APPLYING THOSE TO THOSE THREE SUBDISTRICTS THAT I SHOWED YOU. SO AGAIN, THE MORE INTENSIVE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES LIKE URBAN, COMMERCIAL OR CAMPUS OR MULTI UNIT WOULD BE FOUND IN THAT DARKER PURPLE WHICH WOULD BE FRONTING THOSE MAJOR CORRIDORS. AND THEN THAT LIGHT PURPLE SUBDISTRICT BE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY DEPENDING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND IT. AND THEN SUBDISTRICT C REALLY IS TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD REALLY JUST SEE TWO FAMILY HOME OR RURAL RURAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGY.
WE DID INTRODUCE, JUST TO NOTE ONE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPOLOGY TO THIS THAT'S NOT FOUND IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE CALLED FLEX OFFICE, TO ALLOW FOR KIND OF SOME SOME OF THE TYPES OF STARTUP KIND OF SMALLER SCALE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU DO SEE IN ZALI TODAY. IT'S A REALLY GREAT AREA FOR THE CITY BECAUSE IT HELPS TO INCUBATE, YOU KNOW, LOCAL BUSINESSES HERE. AND SO THAT FLEX OFFICE, WE COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING WITHIN THIS NEW LAND USE DISTRICT. SO AGAIN, HERE'S JUST KIND OF WALKING THROUGH EACH OF THE SUBDISTRICTS. AGAIN, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE A LOT OF THE SAME STANDARDS THAT YOU SEE IN SOME OF OUR MORE HIGH END AREAS, LIKE THE VILLAGE CENTER, LIKE THE HAMLET HERE AS WELL. SO REALLY KIND OF BUILDINGS FRONTING CENTRAL GREEN SPACES, YOU KNOW, BEING REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT AN INTERIOR CONNECTED ROADWAY NETWORK. IN SUBDISTRICT A, WE DID SET THE MAX BUILDING HEIGHT TO FOUR STORIES, AND THE OPEN SPACE IN THE BUILDING HEIGHT, I THINK REALLY PROVIDES THIS CHECKS AND BALANCES. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT FITTING THE CHARACTER OF NEW ALBANY AS A WHOLE. HERE WE ADHERE TO PRINCIPLES LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE TODAY OF PARKING BEING LOCATED BEHIND PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS. AND THEN THESE ARE THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND WITHIN SUBDISTRICT. A SIMILAR KIND OF SETUP HERE TO
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SUBDISTRICT B, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THAT TRANSITIONAL NATURE FROM SUBDISTRICT A, WITH MAX BUILDING HEIGHT OF FOUR STORIES AND TRYING TO STEP IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT INTO SUBDISTRICT C. SO HERE WE RECOMMENDED A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF THREE STORIES, A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE SOME MORE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES HERE, BUT STILL WANT TO SEE PARKING AREAS LOCATED BEHIND PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS TO KIND OF CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF WALKABILITY. HERE'S WHERE YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALLOW FOR SOME LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE RETAIL OR FLEX OFFICE OR A FEW DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPE OR RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. AND THEN SUBDISTRICT C AGAIN, IS KIND OF ADHERING TO THE EXISTING CHARACTER IN A LOT OF THESE AREAS ALONG CENTRAL COLLEGE AND KITZMILLER, MORE KIND OF TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. CAN YOU BACK UP FOR THE TO BE FOR A SECTION FOR ME SO INTO THE MAP. B SO. WHAT DO WE HAVE. WHETHER THIS WILL WORK OR NOT. YES. SO I'M INTERESTED IN TERMS. SO THIS AREA RIGHT NOW HAS A BUNCH OF HOMES RIGHT. YES. THAT'S JUST OKAY. AND SO BASICALLY THE DECISION WAS SO WE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE THEN PUT THIS IN B AND WE HAVE CERTAIN TOPOLOGIES AND OTHER STUFF, AGAIN, JUST SO WE RECOGNIZE WE COULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE THE SAME THING WE HAD HERE TONIGHT IN TERMS OF THE FOLKS IN AN EXISTING AREA BEING RUNNING INTO AT LEAST A NOW A NEW SET OF REQUIREMENTS FOR WHEN THEY WANT TO MAKE CHANGES. WELL, HERE THE DG WOULD APPLY. SO I THINK THE THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD STILL BE RELATIVELY THE SAME.IT'S MORE SO THE USE OKAY. THE THEY COULD READ THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED THERE. THE AREA YOU POINTED TO COULD DEVELOP AND THEY COULD REDEVELOP OBVIOUSLY NOW IN A WAY THAT THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW. SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. YEAH. UP TO A TWO FAMILY HOME. OKAY. GOOD.
YEAH. JUST JUST I'M. YEAH I'M NOT OBJECTING TO IT, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF RECOGNIZING THAT THIS THIS WASN'T TERRA NULLA. WE'RE TAKING SOME EXISTING HOMES AND WE'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU ARE NOW. AND WE'RE DOING IT CONSCIOUSLY.
YEAH. OKAY. AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION IS ANTICIPATING FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT FUTURE KITZMILLER PARK REPRESENTS TO CREATE SOME DIFFERENT. AND I'M NOT OBJECTING TO IT, AND I LIKE IT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE EVERYBODY RECOGNIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH THAT'S GREAT OKAY. SO YEAH THAT SUBDISTRICT C TODAY OR IT PRETTY MUCH ADHERES TO HOW IT IS TODAY BUT UP TO A TWO FAMILY. ONE THING WE DID CALCULATE WAS THE GROSS DENSITY OF THIS NEW LAND USE DISTRICT. SO THAT WOULD BE ALL THREE COLORS. YOU SAW THE DARK PURPLE, LIGHT PURPLE AND YELLOW WOULD HAVE A GROSS DENSITY IF IT WERE TO COMPLETELY REDEVELOP, AS WE'RE KIND OF SHOWING IT. SO MAX, BUILD OUT SEVEN UNITS TO AN ACRE. IF YOU TAKE THE ENTIRE FOCUS AREA, ALL THE RESIDENTIAL WITHIN IT, INCLUDING THIS NEW NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT, THAT CREATES A GROSS DENSITY OF ABOUT THREE UNITS TO AN ACRE.
AGAIN, THAT'S LIKE MAXIMUM BUILD OUT. IF ALL THE PROPERTIES WERE TO REDEVELOP, AS WE'RE KIND OF SHOWING IN SOME OF THESE VISUALIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WHEN THE SCHOOLS CAME UP WITH THEIR THEIR PLAN THAT THEY LED, THAT THEY USED GO INTO THE LEVY LAST YEAR, DID THEY FACTOR ANY OF THIS IN, YOU KNOW, NOT THIS THESE LAND USES IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THIS IS ALL FAIRLY NEW. OKAY. YEAH. JUST JUST WONDERING. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. BUT WE WERE AWARE OF THE STUDY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN CREATING THIS. SO ALL THIS GOES THROUGH THE REST OF THESE PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE AGAIN, THE REST OF THE DISTRICTS REMAIN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. SO REALLY THE BIG THING HERE THAT WE HEARD IS PEOPLE WANTING THE STREET ITSELF TO JUST BE ENHANCED A LITTLE BIT AND LOOK LIKE OTHER STREETS IN NEW ALBANY, US 62 COMMERCIAL CORE IS FAIRLY BUILT OUT NOW. BUT IF IT WERE TO REDEVELOP, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST ENCOURAGE.
IT'S REALLY GREAT FOR WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, SUBURBAN OUTLOT DEVELOPMENT. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL COMPARED TO A LOT OF SUBURBAN OUTLOTS WE SEE IN THE REGION. IT'S JUST NOT THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE HEARING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN SEEING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE PLACES LIKE THE VILLAGE CENTER TO COMPARE IT TO, AND EVERYONE LOVES THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND
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THEN THE OFFICE CAMPUS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE MOUNT CARMEL SURGICAL CENTER IS WHERE YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF OLDER OFFICE HEADQUARTER TYPE OF USES, SOME MEDICAL OFFICE CONDOS. AND HERE IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL, KIND OF MORE PUBLIC REALM RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING, FILLING IN LEISURE TRAIL GAPS. YEAH. MAKING SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THE NATURAL RESOURCES. AND SOME OF THOSE PARCELS. SO THAT'S WHERE I'LL LEAVE IT AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. SO I YOU WERE YOU STOPPED JUST BEFORE SOMETHING. I WAS GOING TO ASK QUESTION THE THOROUGHFARE. SURE. DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. NO. BUT YEAH. IF YOU GO THERE. SO JUST LEAVE IT THERE. AND THIS IS MAINLY A QUESTION KIND OF BACK TO STAFF. CHRIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN HERE, REMEMBER YEARS AND YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WAS GOING TO BE LIKE THE CONDO, THE CONDO COMPLEX FOR REALLY, REALLY WILDLY EXPENSIVE CARS. AND WHEN THAT WAS GOING TO GET BUILT, ZORELLI WAS GOING TO GET EXTENDED OVER TO KITZMILLER. YES. AND I TAKE IT THAT THAT'S NOW ANCIENT HISTORY AND THERE'S NO CURRENT PLANS. AND THIS DOESN'T SHOW EARLY DOING ANYTHING THAT'S EARLY OTHER THAN JUST STUBBING IT OUT. YEP. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEP. WE DID WE DID CONSIDER THAT ROADWAY CONNECTION. BUT I THINK SOME OF THE WETLANDS AND WOODLANDS WOULD MAKE IT VERY CHALLENGING. SO THE ENGINES THERE ISN'T THE CONDO BUILDING FOR WILDLY EXPENSIVE SPORTS CARS. THAT'S PROBABLY GOT IT. OKAY. I JUST EXCUSE ME. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. THE COMMERCIAL CORE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE. YOU MENTIONED THE OVERALL CHARACTER MAP AND TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR PLACEMAKING. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S TYPICAL OUTLOT SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT. IT IF I AM TO BE CRITICAL OF ONE THING, IT LACKS ANY SENSE OF PLACE. I MEAN, I'VE HAD MANY A DINNER AT BLUE AGAVE, NOTHING AGAINST IT, BUT IT CERTAINLY WITH WHAT YOU'RE ADVOCATING, IT FALLS SHORT AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IN THE OVERALL PLAN THAT THERE'S BEEN A SORT OF AN INVISIBLE BOX DRAWN AROUND THAT AREA AND SAID, LET'S SORT OF SEE WHAT HAPPENS, BUT WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SORT OF IMPROVE THE PERIMETER OF THAT. AND I WONDER IF THAT I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT WILL THE OVERALL SUCCESS OF THIS EFFORT BE, IF THE MOST DENSIFIED EXISTING AREA IS ANTIQUATED, AT LEAST AS IT RELATES TO BEST PLANNING PRACTICES, HOW DO WE MEDIATE THAT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S STILL BEING BUILT OUT TODAY. SO OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SAME PRINCIPLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IS IF THOSE PARCELS IN THE CURRENT US 62 COMMERCIAL CORE WERE TO REDEVELOP, WE WOULD MAYBE ENCOURAGE THEM INTO THIS NEW NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A VERY LONG TERM GOAL. SO SOMETHING WE TRIED TO VISUALIZE THROUGH SOME OF OUR RENDERINGS FOR THIS NEW DISTRICT IS THAT THAT AREA DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF A LOT OF REASONS. IT'S ON AN INTERCHANGE. IT'S ON A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC CORRIDOR. AND THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, FRANKLY, DOESN'T WORK THAT WELL ON A CORRIDOR LIKE US 62, UNLESS YOU GET OFF OF 62. SO SOMETHING WE TRIED TO SHOW IN THE ROADWAY NETWORK IS CREATING THESE MORE PERPENDICULAR INTERIOR ROADWAYS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF THIS HIGH TRAFFIC CORRIDOR SO THEY CAN'T WE COULD ENVISION A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A REALLY MINDFUL TRANSITION FROM THE US 62 COMMERCIAL CORE AS IT IS TODAY, TO THIS NEW NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. BUT A LOT OF THAT INTERESTING SENSE OF PLACE WE SEE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE HAPPENING ON THE INTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. IT DOES. I MEAN, IT'S A IT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION. I SEE EVERYTHING YOU PRESENTED IN THE MANY PAGES AND I, I DON'T SEE THAT I DON'T SEE THAT SOLUTION. BUT I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED AS THE, THE PROBLEM.AND I SEE THE OPPORTUNITY. BUT 62 IS A IS A IS AN INTERCHANGE. IT'S A HIGHER VELOCITY IN TERMS OF THE, THE TRANSIENT ACTIVITY THAT CUTS THROUGH. IT HAS ITS CHALLENGES. AND I, I JUST HATE TO SEE ALL OF THIS ENERGY GO INTO SOMETHING THAT WILL. AND I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER EITHER.
BUT IT YOUR POINT ABOUT PERPENDICULAR CROSSINGS AS A WAY TO INTERRUPT AND DISTRACT.
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PERHAPS MAYBE THAT'S A START, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO BYPASS THAT AREA, BUT THAT'S A PROBABLY A BUREAUCRATIC IMPOSSIBILITY ON ON NORTH HIGH STREET. YEAH. UP NORTH, GO UNDER, GO OVER, GO AROUND. YEAH. BUT I, I SEE THE PROBLEM. I JUST WAS THAT CLEARLY THAT HAD HAD HAD TO HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN ALL OF THE, IN ALL THE WORK YOU WERE DOING. BUT YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK. YEAH FOR SURE. OKAY. YEAH I THINK THIS PLAN IS LOOKING AT LIKE A 10 TO 20 YEAR HORIZON. AND MAYBE AT THAT POINT, ONCE WE HIT THAT 20 YEAR HORIZON, THEN IT'S TIME TO RE-ENVISION WHAT HAPPENS IN THE US 62 COMMERCIAL CORE. AND HOPEFULLY AT THAT POINT, SOME BETTER DEVELOPMENT HAS HAPPENED AROUND IT. THAT SORT OF INCENTIVIZES THOSE PARCELS TO REDEVELOP IN LINE WITH, AGAIN, KIND OF JUST I THINK A BIG THEME IS BRINGING THIS AREA UP TO STANDARD FOR THE CHARACTER THAT YOU SEE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN NEW ALBANY, AND THE RESIDENTS NOTICE THAT, AND THEY KNOW THAT THIS AREA IS KIND OF NOT UP TO PAR.WHAT, WHAT? SORRY, JUST TO ADD A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. SO JUST TO REITERATE THAT AND SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF JUST REALLY DUG INTO, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE PROCESS WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A 7 TO 8 MONTH PROCESS, AND IT TURNS INTO A 14 MONTH PROCESS, WHICH IS AWESOME.
WE, WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY DIG IN AND LEARN, LEARN A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THE 62 CORRIDOR FUNCTIONS THE WAY IT DOES TODAY. IT IS VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. SO LIKE NOTHING THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO LIKE SHAME IT BY ANY MEANS. WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, ANDREW, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WALKABLE. THERE'S NOT REALLY A PLACEMAKING ELEMENT TO IT. BUT WITH THE RETAIL MARKET STUDY TOLD US, WAS THAT IS A VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL AREA BECAUSE 62 AND THE CUSTOMERS OF THOSE PLACES ARE SERVING ARE ALL IN THEIR CARS. THERE'S AN AUTO ORIENTED PLACE FOR A REASON, BECAUSE EVERYONE DRIVING BY THAT'S THAT'S THE CUSTOMER THEY'RE SERVING. SO IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, LIKE SARAH SAID, OFF OF THE BEATEN PATH. WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION SO THAT THE MARKET DECIDES TO SERVE. THOSE FOLKS CHOOSES TO DO WALKABLE, MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT THAT. SO I GUESS CHIMING IN TO REALLY SAY THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT THAT'S BAD.
IT'S DEFINITELY SERVING A PURPOSE. ONE OTHER THING THAT WE LEARNED THAT WAS INTERESTING, AT LEAST I THINK IT WAS DEFINITELY DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, BECAUSE I DIDN'T JUST LOOK THIS UP ON MY OWN. BUT SO THOSE RETAIL BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON 62, I THINK THEY SAID THEY HAVE LIKE A USEFUL LIFE OF ABOUT 20 TO 40 YEARS BEFORE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, REINVENTED, RE-ENVISIONED AND REIMAGINED. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT HAPPEN ON MORSE ROAD WITH MUCH LESS QUALITY, YOU KNOW, HIGHER LEVEL QUALITY BUILDING. SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, ECHOING WHAT SARAH SAID, WHY WE LOOKED AT THAT 15, 20 YEAR, YOU KNOW, WINDOW OF TIME. AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ARE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE I REMEMBER GOING TO THE TO THAT WHATEVER THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, THE FIRST ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS YOUR NORTH AGAVE. YEAH. THOSE THOSE WERE BUILT EARLY 2000 I THINK. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S AND THEN THERE WAS 22,009 MAYBE. NO, WE DID INCLUDE THAT LITTLE NODE. RIGHT. AND AGAIN MY COMPLIMENTS TO STAFF FOR LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT THAT THIS IS AN AREA THIS IS A LOW HANGING FRUIT. AND I THINK I THINK THIS IS AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT I MEAN YOU NOW HAVE THIS IS THIS IS THIS GO TO COUNCIL. DOES IT NEED TO GET REFINED FURTHER BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL. WE ARE READY TO GO TO COUNCIL LATER THIS MONTH FOR FINAL ADOPTION. I GUESS YOU KNOW THIS. IT'S A LITTLE. THIS APPROACH IS SOMETHING PRETTY NOVEL FOR NEW ALBANY. THIS THIS IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW WE ESTABLISH A LAND USE PLAN. BUT THIS DOESN'T REALLY CODIFY ANYTHING. WE DO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ON HOW THEY CAN IMPLEMENT THIS, WHETHER IT BE CODIFIED, WHETHER YOU JUST KIND OF DEAL WITH IT, HOW WE TYPICALLY DEAL WITH IT, WHICH IS REZONING AND THEN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. WHAT WE DID WITH THE HAMLET, THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO BOTH, BUT WE WILL PRESENT THIS TO COUNCIL LATER THIS MONTH AND THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION. AND CERTAINLY MAKES SOME SUPPORT ASPECTS OF THIS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ENTIRETY OF IT, BUT ONE WONDERS WHETHER ARB OVERVIEW MIGHT NOT BE HELPFUL FOR AT LEAST PORTIONS OF THIS. I WOULD. OH GO AHEAD. SORRY. I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL THOUGH, BECAUSE LIKE TO YOUR POINT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO TRANSITION FROM THE VERY BUSY AREA BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO IT HELP US MAKE SOME DECISIONS LIKE, I KNOW IN THE PAMPHLET IT SAID LIKE MAYBE NOT HAVING DRIVE THRUS AND JUST BEING VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES WILL BE PLACED, WHERE AND WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD NOT BE PLACED. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US IF, IF THE ARB DOES HAVE A INVOLVEMENT, AND THAT'S UP TO OTHERS TO DECIDE,
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I, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE STAFF AND COUNCIL TO ALLOW FOR A HIGHER DEGREE OF SUBTLETY.CONTEXTUALISM AND RESPONSIVENESS AT EVERY TURN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY DISTINGUISH SUCCESS FROM FAILURE HERE. THERE ARE A LOT, I MEAN, WHETHER IT BE WHETHER IT BE THE AREA I WAS ASKING ABOUT OR WALTON, THERE'S A LOT OF MEDIATION THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PULL THIS OFF. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THERE IS NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTION. YOU CAN CODIFY IT TILL THE COWS COME HOME, AND IT STILL WON'T SOLVE THE UNDERLYING ISSUE OF HOW CAN WE BE RESPONSIVE AT A MICRO LEVEL, AS OPPOSED TO CERTAINLY THE WORK'S BEEN DONE AT THE MACRO LEVEL, SO I WOULD JUST OFFER THAT UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
BUT THANK YOU. THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU AND STAFF, I THINK THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE FIRST WERE INTRODUCED TO THE HAMLET, THEY HAD IDENTIFIED TWO DIFFERENT AREAS FOR THE HAMLET. AND THE OTHER AREA WAS HERE, WASN'T IT? NO, IT WAS OUT. WHAT WAS IT THERE? I THOUGHT IT WAS. I THOUGHT IT WAS FURTHER OUT, KIND OF TOWARD BEACH ROAD. IT WAS AT THAT LOCATION. IT WAS AT THAT. IT WAS RIGHT THERE. YEAH. RIGHT. WHEN WE DID END UP REMOVING THAT ONE. OKAY. FUTURE LAND USE MAP. OKAY. SO YEAH. HAS THAT MOVED OR IS THERE HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT I MEAN THAT'S A MAJOR PIECE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY AFFECT ALL OF THIS. RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE HAMLET PROJECT GOSH I'M GOING BACK FIVE YEARS NOW. I THINK WHEN THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED, LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THERE WERE TWO HAMLET LOCATIONS, ONE AT ITS CURRENT SITE AND THEN ONE AT THIS SITE WHEN WE REVISITED THE HAMLET CONCEPT IN 2020, YOU WERE HERE WITH ME. TWO COUNCIL REMOVED THE SECOND HAMLET SITE AT THIS LOCATION, BUT NOW AGAIN, THIS IS ALL BASED ON WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. IS THAT SOME SORT OF MIXED USE? MAYBE NOT THE H WORD, THE HAMLET WORD, BUT JUST MIXED USE IN GENERAL. STILL DESIRABLE AT THIS LOCATION. BRO, HOW ABOUT A BURRO? OKAY, THERE WE GO. WE COULD USE A BURRO. THAT WAY WE WON'T CAUSE PANIC AROUND THIS ASSIGNMENT. I MEAN, ANOTHER HAMLET. I KNOW, AND IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL KIND OF SUSSED OUT DURING OUR, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND DEFINITELY THE STEERING COMMITTEE. I'M SURE TRACY GOT IT. WE WERE LIKE, IS MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING. LIKE, YOU WANT WALKABLE AREAS. YOU WANT MORE PEOPLE. SO YOU CAN SUPPORT WALKABLE, MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENTS, HIGHER QUALITY RESTAURANTS. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YES. ARE YOU SURE? SO WE DEFINITELY OVER AND OVER. RIGHT, TRACY. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM PEOPLE AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED AGAIN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT. YOU GUYS DID A PHENOMENAL JOB. THANK YOU. VERY PARTICIPATION. YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU. WELL DONE. VERY CLEARLY WRITTEN TO LOVE IT. THANKS, TRACY. GOOD. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. OKAY. NOW WE HAVE THE SCHOOLS. YES. GOOD EVENING I'M PAUL MILLER WITH SHAW ARCHITECTS 230 BRADENTON AVENUE. YEAH I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ONCE AGAIN THANK THE VOTERS IN NEW ALBANY FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF NEW ALBANY PLAIN LOCAL SCHOOLS. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE PROJECTS COMING FORWARD. I'VE SHARED WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY SOME OF WHAT THOSE PLANS LOOK LIKE WITH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO FOR THE SCHOOLS AS A PART OF PHASE ONE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MAJOR PROJECTS OR BUILDING PROJECTS ARCHITECTURALLY THAT WOULD BE OUR TRANSPORTATION FACILITY AND THEN ALSO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. YOU'VE WE'VE PRESENTED THAT TRANSPORTATION FACILITY TO THIS BOARD. PRELIMINARILY, WE'RE ASKING TO DO THE SAME THING AGAIN TONIGHT. SO THIS IS PRELIMINARY. NOTHING IS FINAL FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY.
BUT WE WANT TO JUST SHARE THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE AND HAVE THIS AS A FORUM OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM YOU, BOARD MEMBERS OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE MANIFEST IN THIS PROJECT. SO OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT IS VICKY NEWELL, AND SHE WILL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT WITH US. ALSO TODAY IS MEGAN CYR, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. AND THEN ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOLS, KEN KRAMER, THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL FOR BUSINESS AND OPERATIONS, IS WITH US HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. THANK YOU. AGAIN. I'M VICKY FROM ARCHITECTS, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE THIS EVENING. SO JUST BRIEFLY, I WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT WE HAVE. THE CURRENT
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PROPOSED SITE REVIEW THE FLOOR PLANS, REVIEW SOME 3D IMAGES AND SOME OF THE PROPOSED MATERIALS.THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, SO WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL DESIGN THAT'S PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU. WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH REVIEW THROUGH THE COMPANY. SO WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF BASICALLY WHERE THE BUILDING IS NOW. SO JUST ON OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, WE HAVE PRESERVED, WE HAVE PRESERVED THE SAFETY TOWN IN THE DESIGN WE HAVE. THIS IS BUS PARKING CURRENTLY THIS IS STAFF AND PARENT PARKING WITH PARENT DROP OFF. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE IN BOTH EXIT FOR BUS DROP OFF SO THAT WE'RE NOT ENTERING THAT TRAFFIC BACK ONTO SWICKARD WOOD BOULEVARD. IN THE CURRENT CURRENT DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. LET ME SHOW YOU THE MASSING AT THE MOMENT IS DESIGNED AS A TWO STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING. THIS BACK HALF OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY NOW IS DESIGNED AS A ONE STORY BUILDING. BUT TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT YOU HAD ASKED PREVIOUSLY. MR. THE BACK HALF OF THE BUILDING IS BEING DESIGNED SO IT CAN BE EXPANDED TO A TWO STORY STRUCTURE IN THE FUTURE. SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS LOOKING AT THIS DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING FOR FUTURE GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. AND THIS IS A BETTER IMAGE. I THINK YOU CAN SEE WITH THE UNDERLAYMENT OF WHAT THE PROPERTY IS. NOW, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE THE EXISTING BALL FIELDS. IT SHOWS THE TREE LINE THAT WE'RE CUTTING INTO JUST SLIGHTLY. AND THEN THERE ARE THREE WETLANDS THAT ARE IN THIS SITE. SO AS WE BRING THIS TO YOU FORWARD WE WILL BE MODIFYING SO THIS DESIGN SO THAT WE'RE NOT AFFECTING THOSE WETLANDS. WE'RE GOING TO BE MODIFYING THE BUS PARKING LOT OVER HERE, MOVING THE BUILDING FORWARD FORWARD SO THAT WE DON'T DISTURB THOSE. THIS WAS INFORMATION, THE EXACT MEET AND BOUNDS THAT WE WERE JUST PROVIDED WITHIN THE PAST, MAYBE WEEK AND A HALF. DID YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE SITE PLAN? I HAVE ONE, THE BUS LOOP. IT'S AN IN AND OUT DEDICATED BUS LOOP ONLY ONTO SWICKARD WOODS BOULEVARD. YES. IS IT A RIGHT ONLY? I MEAN, I DON'T SEE IT CROSSING THERE, SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A CROSSING INTRODUCED TO MAKE IT RIGHT LEFT? OR IS IT RIGHT ONLY AND THEN ONLY? MEGAN I CAN ANSWER THAT. IT JUST SEEMS THE REASON I'M ASKING IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN IDEAL SPOT TO DO THAT, BUT I SUPPOSE THERE EVER IS AN IDEAL SPOT TO DO THAT. HI, MEGAN. HI.
THE. MEGAN CYR, THE. IT WOULD BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT TO THAT BUS LOOP. OKAY. THE DISTRICT WOULD ALSO FOR A TURNAROUND, UTILIZE THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S FURTHER DOWN FURTHER TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT LEFT TURN OUT IN THE OKAY TO MAKE A LEFT. THANK YOU. I CAN ALSO POINT OUT THERE ARE. SOME GATES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING UP HERE. THIS AREA WOULD MAYBE BE DOUBLE STRIPED SO THAT IF THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT LIKE PARENT TEACHER CONFERENCES OR SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON AT THE SCHOOL WHEN YOU WEREN'T UTILIZING THAT FOR BUS PARKING FOR DROP OFF AND EVENING, THE GATES WOULD POTENTIALLY BE OPEN SO THAT IT WOULD ALLOW JUST OVERFLOW PARKING IN THAT AREA. SO GOING ON TO THE FLOOR PLANS IN THE IN THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS BUILDING CURRENTLY IN THE IN THESE IMAGES, IT'S 134,451. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME MINOR AREAS. WE'LL BE KEEPING A LITTLE MINOR SQUARE FOOTAGE OUT OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL. IT'S ABOUT 3000FT■. SO. THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL. IT IS A SECURE, LOCKED ENTRY VESTIBULE SO THAT VISITORS THAT WOULD BE COMING INTO THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO THE ADMINISTRATION AREA BEFORE THEY WOULD BE RELEASED INTO THE BUILDING ELSEWHERE. THIS IS PRIMARILY THIS ENTRANCE WOULD JUST BE AN EGRESS DOOR. THIS CLASSROOM WING IS ENVISIONED AS BEING A FIRST GRADE, SECOND GRADE WING. THIS WING INTO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS ENVISIONED AS BEING A KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOM, AND THEN SPECIAL CLASSROOMS ARE LOCATED FOR USE OF THE STUDENTS IN BETWEEN. AND THEN WHAT I CALL HIGH ACTIVITY SPACES ON THE STUDENT DINING AND THE GYMNASIUM, THEN ARE SEPARATED FROM THE ACADEMIC PORTION OF THE
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BUILDING. THIS IS FOOD SERVICE AND MECHANICAL BUILDING. AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THERE IS A MECHANICAL SPACE THAT'S LOCATED IN THE SECOND FLOOR THAT'S TUCKED UNDER THE ROOF STRUCTURE THE BUILDING SO THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT WE DID THAT INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LARGE FRESH AIR INTAKE GRILLS THAT NEED TO GO INTO THAT MECHANICAL ROOM, AND WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE VISIBLE. SO AT THIS LOCATION, THERE ARE HARDLY VISIBLE FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE WAY THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY LAID OUT. SO JUST GIVING YOU SOME OVERALL MASSING OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE WHAT I WILL CALL THE FRONT ELEVATION OR NORTH ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.AGAIN, THIS IS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL BUILDING. THE GYMNASIUM PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THESE ARE THE MECHANICAL AND STUDENT MECHANICAL AND FOOD SERVICE AREA. THE BUILDING WE HAVE THAT AS A LOW SLOPED ROOF JUST BECAUSE OF THE FOOD SERVICE EQUIPMENT TO HELP SCREEN IT SO THAT YOU WON'T SEE IT. AND THEN WE DID THIS AREA. THIS SECTION IS A LOW SLOPED ROOF BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WE HAD STUDIED IT BOTH WITH HAVING A SLOPED ROOF OVER THAT AREA, BUT IT BROKE APART THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING JUST TO MAKE THAT MINOR CHANGE, TO LEAVE THAT SMALL AREA AS LOW SLOPE. SO JUST ANOTHER IMAGE LOOKING AT THE BACK. AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE LOCATION WHERE THOSE EXHAUST VENTS WOULD BE IN THIS WALL. SO I THINK YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE PRETTY WELL HIDDEN, KIND OF LIKE IN A WELL WITHIN THAT BUILDING THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED. AND THEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF IMAGES I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THESE ARE 3D IMAGES, BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE STARTED. BEFORE I GET TO WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
SO THESE ARE THE IMAGES THAT WERE PRESENTED FOR THE DESIGN OF THIS SCHOOL. WHEN IT WENT THROUGH ITS BOND ISSUE. THEY WERE DONE JUST AS CONCEPT IMAGES. THEY WERE NOT DESIGNED TO ANY PARTICULAR FLOOR PLAN, AND THEY DON'T MATCH THE CURRENT FLOOR PLAN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. SO JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF WHERE WE STARTED. AND THEN THESE WERE THE FIRST INITIAL CONCEPTS THAT WE CAME UP WITH WERE PRIMARILY USING METAL PANEL SIDING THROUGHOUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE SAME THING THAT HAD BEEN PRESENTEDURING D THE BOND ISSUE.
THIS WAS THE FIRST RENDITION THAT WE HAVE OF A NEW ENTRY. OVERALL LENGTH OF THE BUILDING AS IT MATCHES THE CURRENT FLOOR PLAN. WE HAVE SWITCHED THESE DESIGNS AS WE'RE THEN MOVING FORWARD, AND WE'RE NOW WORKING PREDOMINANTLY WITH A BRICK SKIN OF THE BUILDING. SO AS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGETS FOR THE METAL SIDING, THE BRICK WAS TURNING OUT TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE. SO IT HAS WE HAVE REVERSED MOST OF THE BUILDING TO BRICK. SO THESE ARE THE CURRENT IMAGES OF THE BUILDING TO DATE AS OF TODAY'S DATE. SO THIS IS THE FRONT ENTRY OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING A TWO COLOR BRICK SCHEME VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS USED ON THE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL. IN FACT, WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THOSE BRICKS SO THAT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL BUILDING. OVERALL VIEW OF THE FRONT FACADE. JUST ANOTHER AS WE'RE STARTING TO WALK AWAY AROUND THE BUILDING, THIS AREA OF THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED AS A COURTYARD FOR THE STUDENTS. THIS IS WHERE THE MEDIA CENTER IS LOCATED. SO WE ENVISION, WELL, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING HERE. WE'RE ENVISIONING A PATIO, A LANDSCAPED SPACE IN THIS AREA FOR STUDENT USE AS AN OUTDOOR EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT. A LITTLE CLOSER AREA VIEW OF THE MEDIA CENTER. AND THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE WINDOWS. THEY'RE NOT EVENTS. THEY WOULD BE GLASS.
THAT'S ADDING LIGHT INTO THE MEDIA CENTER. AND JUST IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THE ONLY PORTION OF THE BUILDING ON THE SECTION OF THE BUILDING THAT IS STILL REMAINING WITH METAL PANEL SIDING IS THAT STUDENT DINING AREA AND GYM SECTION OF THE BUILDING. SO ONE MORE IMAGE JUST A LITTLE CLOSER UP. THIS IS LOOKING INTO THE STUDENT DINING AREA, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, HEAR ANY FEEDBACK YOU WISH TO OFFER. I CAN GO BACK THROUGH THESE IMAGES AS WELL. SO
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IT'S GOING TO HAVE SEPARATE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. OR ARE WE GOING TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE K ONE BUILDING? HOW IS IT GOING TO COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE. IS DUAL MEETING GOING TO HAVE SEPARATE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS FOR KIDS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE K12 IN SEPARATE OR THIS. THIS BUILDING IS BEING DESIGNED AS A KINDERGARTEN THROUGH SECOND GRADE LEVEL. SO.HOW I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TITLE THE BUILDINGS HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED. THERE IS A DESIRE THAT ALL THERE, ALL DAY KINDERGARTEN STUDENTS WOULD BE PRIMARILY IN THIS BUILDING.
OKAY. SO THEY MAY HAVE KINDERGARTEN STUDENTS. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE GOING TO FUNNEL ALL KIDS THROUGH ALL BUILDINGS OR. YEAH. SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO KEEP ALL SCHOOLS LINEAR SO THEY WON'T BE. SO ELC WILL BE PRESCHOOL AND HALF DAY K K-2. THE PRIMARY WILL BE THREE FOUR, INTERMEDIATE WILL BE FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT. AND THEN YOUR HIGH SCHOOL OKAY. YEP. AND THEN AS FAR AS JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE STRUCTURE YOU TALKED ABOUT BRICK. ARE YOU LOOKING AT VENEER HERE OR ARE THESE GOING TO BE LIKE UTILITY BRICK BLOCK. SO THESE ARE THE EXISTING PICTURES OF THE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL. AND THESE WERE THE MATERIALS THAT I, I WAS TRYING TO MATCH FROM THIS BUILDING. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE ACTUAL BRICK SAMPLES THAT HAVE COME UP WITH. WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEM. I WAS TOLD THAT THIS IS THE EXACT SAME BRICK THAT'S ON THAT ON THE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL. NOW, RED BRICK, THE WHITE BRICK HERE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT I HONESTLY THOUGHT IT WAS A SLIGHTLY MORE PLEASING APPEARANCE. AND THEN THE MEADOWBROOK IN NEW MANCHESTER SCHOOL COLORS ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING. THEY HAVE RED METAL ROOFING ON SOME OF THEIR OTHER SCHOOLS. I THINK IT WAS ALWAYS THEIR DESIRE AND THAT'S THE SCHOOL IS THAT WAS TO BE JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER MATCH. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE FLEXIBLE OVER. SO THE METAL PANELS, THIS IS THE METAL PANEL SIDING THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING. SO THIS IS ABOUT A 12 INCH PANEL. AND THEN HAS THE REVEAL. IT'S A LITTLE OVER AN INCH WIDE. AND THEN YOU CAN PROPOSING THAT WOULD BE ONE OR THE TWO OF THESE WHITES THAT THE MANUFACTURER PROVIDES. WHATEVER WOULD END UP MATCHING THE WINDOW FRAMING THAT. SO WE'RE WOULD BE DOING A WINDOW FRAMING AND A WHITE FINISH. SO WE WOULD TRY TO MATCH THAT COLOR AS BEST POSSIBLE. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH VENEERS OVER CMU. THAT'S THE INTENT. YEAH JUST A COST ISSUE. JUST WONDERING TAXPAYER. SO THE WE ARE PROPOSING ALL OF THE ALL OF THE EXTERIOR WALL CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE WOULD BE CMU WITH EITHER THE BRICK VENEER OR CMU WITH THE METAL PANEL. OKAY, OKAY. CAN YOU BACK UP THEN LET'S GO BACK TO THE EXTERNAL ELEVATIONS AGAIN. JUST. OF THE. THAT OKAY. AGAIN, I'M, I'M EAGER TO SEE AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU ALSO GIVE ME THE FRONT ENTRANCE. THE FIRST ONE. CERTAINLY. YEAH.
THERE WE GO. I MEAN THE FOR ME AT LEAST LOOKING AT THIS SO FAR I'M UNDERWHELMED FOR WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS SO PRELIMINARY THAT THAT I'M ENTITLED TO BE UNDERWHELMED, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING HERE THAT REALLY THAT POPS FOR ME.
AND GO AND THEN GO FORWARD TO THE THERE WAS ONE WHERE YOU SHOWED THE I THINK IT WAS THE FAR RIGHT SIDE FROM, I GUESS FROM THE EAST. YEAH. THAT ONE. I MEAN, I LOOK AT THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE THE KIND OF WINDOW TREATMENT I'D SEE IN A BOOLEAN FROM THE 70S. AND, AND BOY, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE NEW ALBANY AT ALL. I MEAN, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT WHAT OTHERS THINK OF THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT REMINDS ME OF MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ADDITION PUT ON IN 1971.
AND SO THAT LIGHT, THAT TYPE OF LIGHT WINDOW TREATMENT IS LIKE THAT. THAT'S THAT IS TO ME THAT'S NOT NEW ALBANY. I CAN AT LEAST RESPOND TO WHAT, WHAT THE GOAL WAS. SO AS WE MET WITH TEACHING STAFF, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT THEY DID HAVE IN THEIR CURRENT CLASSROOMS, THEY DON'T HONESTLY HAVE ENOUGH DAYLIGHTING IN THEIR CLASSROOMS. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT WITHIN THE BUILDING, GETTING MORE DAYLIGHTING INTO THE CORRIDOR. STUDENTS ACADEMICALLY DO BETTER. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STUDIES AND RESEARCH, SO THAT WAS OUR
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INITIAL GOAL. BUT AS I SAID, IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO GET MORE LIGHT THAT DON'T INVOLVE. THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT THAT I'M HORRIFIED. I, IN THE SPIRIT OF YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT TO SOLICIT OUR FEEDBACK, I'LL I'LL HAPPILY PROVIDE IT AND I'LL ECHO SOME OF MR. BIDEN'S COMMENTS AND I SHARE THIS TO HELP IS THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE. IT'S A LARGE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BY BY SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDARDS. THAT THAT POSES ITS OWN UNIQUE CHALLENGES. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, FROM A SITE PLAN STANDPOINT, IT'S A TWO SIDED BUILDING. YOU'VE GOT TO ADDRESS SWICKARD WOODS. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE STRUCTURE FROM THE BOULEVARD, AND THAT LARGELY LOOKS IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 22.
IT'S UNDERWHELMING AT BEST. IF YOU CAN CLICK TO SLIDE 22 PLEASE. 22. ONE MORE. ONE MORE I WANT YOU TO GO TO SLIDE 20. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE SWICKARD WOODS SIDE. THERE'S ACTUALLY AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. BUT I THINK IT'S ILL FORMED RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT FOR THE CAFETERIA AND MORE CORE SPACES.
THIS ERODED CORNER IS SO NOT NEW ALBANY THAT IT'S PROBLEMATIC JUST TO COMMENT ON. SAME WITH THE EXPOSED GABLE END. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A HARDER LOOK AT THE EXISTING SCHOOLS THAT ARE HERE. I WOULD ALSO OFFER TO YOU THAT WHILE YOU PROBABLY JUSTIFIABLY BORROWED FROM THE WHAT WAS THE K-8 BUILDING WITH THE TWO TONE BRICK, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS NOT UNIVERSALLY FOUND TO BE APPEALING BY THE RESIDENTS OF NEW ALBANY. SO I WOULD JUST EXERCISE CAUTION IN ADOPTING THAT ESTHETIC THAT IS SOMEWHAT POLARIZING COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE WHAT IS OTHERWISE FOLLOWING MORE OF A TIDEWATER GEORGIAN ESTHETIC. WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LANGUAGE WITHIN THE EDUCATIONAL CAMPUS THAT HAS ADOPTED THAT ESTHETIC, CERTAINLY EVIDENT AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND EVEN AT THE EXISTING ELEMENTARY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ADJACENT HERE.
AND THIS IS JUST A STARK ABANDONMENT OF THAT ESTHETIC, AND IT'S OKAY TO ABANDON IT IF THAT'S WHAT THE DISTRICT FEELS IS THE APPROPRIATE ANSWER. BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, IT SHOULD BE DONE DELIBERATELY. IT SHOULD BE DONE WITH EXCELLENCE IN TERMS OF THE DEVIATIONS. AND RIGHT NOW WHAT I SEE IS TOO MANY CONFLICTS, ROOFLINES, PEDIMENTS, PITCHES, HIERARCHICAL MASSING, LACK OF SCALE OF CUPOLAS AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, LACK OF A CONSISTENT FRIEZE BOARD THAT IS CONSISTENT AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING. LACK OF FENESTRATION WHERE IT REALLY MATTERS. EVEN THOUGH IT'S MECHANICAL, THERE'S PLENTY OF STRATEGIES THAT COULD BE EMPLOYED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EMBRACING FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SWINGING BACK TO THE FRONT ON, I THINK THAT WAS 18 OR 19. THERE IS A LACK OF SCALE, OR I SHOULD SAY, A LACK OF RESPECT OF SCALE, WHERE THE TWO STORY WING IS OVERWHELMING. THE ENTRY. THE ENTRY REALLY WANTS TO HAVE MORE PROMINENCE. THIS, THIS LOW SLUNG ROOFLINE THAT COMES DOWN TO ALMOST A11 AND A HALF STORY PITCH RIGHT HERE, IS REALLY INCONGRUOUS WITH THE REST OF THIS MASSING, AND YOUR PEDIMENT RETURNS ON YOUR GABLE ENDS NEED TO BE MORE THOROUGHLY RESOLVED.
YOUR EAVE HEIGHT APPEARS TO BE TOO LOW RELATIVE TO THE OVERALL FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING. THE FENESTRATION IS OVERSCALED AGAINST THE MASSING. THERE'S A LOT TO RESOLVE HERE, AND I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO JUST TAKE A STEP BACK. I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. I'VE BEEN THERE MANY, MANY TIMES, BUT I'D HATE TO SEE YOU SPEND CYCLES GOING DOWN A PATH THAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE CHALLENGING TO OVERCOME, NOT JUST WITH THIS BOARD, BUT WITH THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY AND THE ARC AND ALL THE OTHER EYES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS. SO I'M OFFERING THIS TO TRY TO HELP NAVIGATE AND STEER. BUT THERE'S A LOT HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE EXAMINED. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT THERE YET. AND I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE. REALLY ASYMMETRICAL LAYOUT OF THE OF THE SITE. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE ADJACENT ROADS OR THE PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S OCCUPYING LONG HALLWAYS, U SHAPED CONFIGURATIONS, AND WINGS
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THAT ARE GOING TO BE A BIT OPPRESSIVE FROM A FLOOR STAND, FLOOR POINT, FLOOR PLAN STANDPOINT, THE SCALE JUST FEELS ALL WRONG TO ME, SO I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING IT WITH US. BUT I MEAN, I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON, AND I'M AND I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE WHATEVER FEEDBACK I CAN TO HELP GET THIS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT I, I'M I'M THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT TO SHOW US. BUT I SEE A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS VERY MUCH. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SCALE OF ROOFLINE. IT'S AT THE EXACT SAME ELEVATIONS AND SAME SLOPES THAT ALL OF THE EXISTING SCHOOLS ARE, BUT YOU'RE LACKING DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE ROOF EAVE AND THE WINDOW HEADS. YOU WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO GET A JACK ARCH ABOVE THOSE WINDOW HEADS AND ACCOMMODATE A FRIEZE BOARD ABOVE THAT. SO THERE'S WHEN I MENTIONED THE WINDOWS BEING OVERSCALED, THAT'S REALLY AFFECTING THE OVERALL IMPRESSION OF THE FLOOR TO FLOORS. SO WE'VE DONE STUDIES THAT CARRIED ACROSS. IT DOES HAVE THOSE WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY SHOWN WITH A TRUE JACCARD. SO IT'S GOING THROUGH FOUR COURSES FOUR COURSES OF BRICK. THE EXISTING SCHOOLS. THE WINDOWS ARE AT SEVEN FOREIGN HEIGHT. AND THIS RENDERING THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT EIGHT FOOT IN HEIGHT. AGAIN I SAID WE WERE TRYING TO WORK IN MORE DAYLIGHT IN THE CLASSROOMS, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S NOT.YOU'RE MISSING ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THERE. YOU CAN'T INTERRUPT THE JACK ARCH CAN'T MEET THE SOFFIT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A FRIEZE BOARD THERE. NO. AGREED. SO I WOULD END UP DOING TWO THINGS. I WOULD END UP. I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. WE'D END UP RAISING THE PLATE HEIGHT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ADDITIONAL TRIM. OR AGAIN, REDUCING THE WINDOWS BACK DOWN. I THINK IT'S A SMALL PLANE, BUT I DO THINK IT'S ACHIEVABLE. THERE ARE STUDIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY GONE DOWN THOSE ROADS AGAIN TO LOOK AT. SO I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. AND ONE OTHER COMMENT WHILE WE'RE ON THIS IMAGE HISTORICALLY, BOTH IN TERMS OF TIDEWATER GEORGIAN BUT ALSO ALL OVER NEW ALBANY, THE PATTERNING OF FENESTRATION NEEDS TO BE REEVALUATED. IT'S VERY UNUSUAL TO SEE PAIRS OF TWO AND A FOUR WINDOW ELEVATION LIKE YOU HAVE ON THOSE TWO GABLE ENDS. THAT REALLY SHOULD BE A FIVE OR A THREE. AND THE AND THE PEDIMENT NEEDS, NEEDS TREATMENT AS WELL.
SO I THAT'S WHY MY COMMENT WOULD BE RATHER THAN SPENDING TIME TWEAKING, ADJUSTING, RAISING, YOU KNOW, THE HEEL HEIGHT OF THE OF THE TRUSSES IS I THINK YOU GOT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND STUDY THIS. IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A FISH OUT OF WATER WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE, IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, BUT I IF NEEDED, I'LL TRY. I WAS GOING TO GO BACK JUST TO THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE AS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING BEING ASYMMETRICAL AND SYMMETRICAL, I THINK THAT WE'RE SOMEWHAT PINNED ON THE SITE THAT WE HAVE AND COMING UP WITH A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT LAYOUT FROM FLOOR PLAN STANDPOINT. SO THERE IS A DESIRE TO KEEP THE KINDERGARTNERS SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF THE STUDENTS IN THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHY THEY ENDED UP IN OR IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING FUNCTIONS PRIMARILY THE WAY THAT OTHER SCHOOLS FUNCTIONS. THEY DO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SEPARATE THROUGH THEIR TRAFFIC PATTERN. I WOULD DESCRIBE AS THE BUILDINGS AS BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE U-SHAPED THAN THEY ARE HERE. BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE WOODS THAT ARE ALONG HERE, PRESERVE SAFETY AT THIS LOCATION, AND NOT END UP IN DEPENDING UPON THESE WETLANDS.
SO IT'S REALLY STARTING TO UNDERSTAND. WELCOME TO THE CHALLENGES OF BEING AN ARCHITECT. BUT THERE'S SOLUTIONS THERE. THERE'S ALWAYS A SOLUTION THAT'S. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE. NO OTHER COMMENTS HERE. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM OUR MEMBERS. IT'S ALWAYS A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE WITH EACH OF YOU. SO LIKEWISE. THANK YOU. MR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND. MR. HANSON. YES, MR. STROLLER? YES. MR. ITEM. YES. MR. BROWN. YES. MISS. MOORE. YES. MR. MALIK.
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