May 20, 2025 City Council

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PRESIDENT PRO TEM SHOW WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY'S MAY 20TH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. IF YOU CAN ALL PLEASE JOIN, STAND AND JOIN COUNCIL IN RECITING OUR NATIONAL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ROLL. CALL CLERK. MASON. THANK YOU. AND IF COUNCIL WILL TURN ON THEIR MICROPHONES, MAYOR SPALDING IS TRAVELING ON CITY MATTERS AND REQUESTED TO BE EXCUSED. COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ HERE. SHOULD SAY PRESIDENT PRO TEM SHULL. AND I MEANT TO START WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT HERE. OLD HABITS. I HAVE SIX PRESENT FOR THE MAY 2025 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. AND I WOULD MOVE TO EXCUSE MAYOR SPALDING, WHO IS TRAVELING ON BUSINESS FOR THE CITY. SECOND. OKAY, PRESIDENT PRO TEM SHOW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FALLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILSHIRE. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO EXCUSE MAYOR SPALDING FROM TONIGHT'S. DID YOU SAY BY CONSENT? YOU MAY GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW? I HOPE SO, OKAY.

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AND SINCE 2006, THE MONTH OF MAY HAS BEEN PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED TO BE JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH. PURSUANT TO A BIPARTISAN RESOLUTION OF CONGRESS. AND WHEREAS EVER SINCE JEWISH IMMIGRANTS ARRIVED AT AMERICA'S SHORES IN THE 16TH CENTURY, THE CORE VALUES OF THE JEWISH FAITH HAVE HELPED TO DEFINE AMERICA'S CHARACTER AND VALUES, INCLUDING THAT WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE, THE INFINITE VALUE OF EVERY HUMAN LIFE, THE NEED FOR A WEEKLY SABBATH, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION IN THE LIVES OF CHILDREN. FURTHERMORE, THEY PROVIDED A SOURCE OF INSPIRATION IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, AMERICA'S GLOBAL LEADERSHIP IN THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM, AND ITS COMMITMENT TO SOCIAL JUSTICE. AND WHEREAS NEW ALBANY IS PROUD OF ITS FOUR WONDERFUL JEWISH INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER, NEW ALBANY, THE COLUMBUS JEWISH DAY SCHOOL, TEMPLE BETH SHALOM, AND CHABAD OF COLUMBUS. AND WHEREAS NEW ALBANY IS HOME TO A DIVERSE MIX OF JEWISH PEOPLE WHO IDENTIFY AS REFORM, CONSERVATIVE, ORTHODOX AND MORE WHO ARE UNIFIED IN THEIR SUPPORT OF OUR CITY AND ITS LEADERSHIP AND VALUES, AND ARE ALIGNED WITH PEOPLE OF FAITH FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE WHO BELIEVE IN THE GOODNESS OF HUMANITY, THE VALUES OF KINDNESS AND OPENNESS, AND THE BELIEF THAT TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

AND WHEREAS IN MAY 2025, HUNDREDS OF ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUNITIES AROUND THE UNITED STATES WILL JOIN TOGETHER TO HELP PEOPLE OF ALL BACKGROUNDS DISCOVER, EXPLORE AND CELEBRATE

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GREAT. THANKS. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU MARLENE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ABOUT A MATTER? NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. OKAY. I DO NOT SEE ANY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO BOARDS AND COMMISSION. FIRST ONE

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YEAH. ALRIGHT. PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD, NO MEETING. ALL RIGHT. ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD. WE HAD A MEETING, AND I'M GOING TO PROBABLY TAKE 25 MINUTES EXPLAINING IT, BUT.

OKAY, WELL, ANDREW GAVE ME SOME EXTRA TIME HERE. YEAH THANK YOU ANDY. NO, IT WASN'T THAT THAT BAD. BUT THERE WAS SOME INTERESTING MOMENTS I THINK THAT IMPORTANT TO SHARE. SO WE HAD THE FIRST ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH WAS 6588 NEW ALBANY CONDIT ROAD. IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL HOME. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BUILT AROUND THE 60S. 70S IT'S BEEN AROUND QUITE A WHILE, AND IT'S PART OF THE NEW ALBANY VILLAGE CENTER. AND SO WE HAVE THESE GUIDELINES, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEW ALBANY VILLAGE CENTER THAT DON'T OFTEN MATCH UP WITH THE REALITY OF THE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS. AND WHEN THEY WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE, IT CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING. AS WE KNOW, AND THE OWNERS OF THIS HOME WANTED TO. ADD A GARAGE THAT REQUIRED

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WE THINK IT'S THE VILLAGE CENTER ESPECIALLY CONTINUES TO GROW. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. VILLAGE CENTER SIGNAGE HAS BEEN ON OUR LIST OF PROJECTS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS TO DO, AND WE HOPE TO START TO TACKLE THAT THIS YEAR. IN FACT, WE JUST STARTED TO MEET WITH CONSULTANTS INDEPENDENT OF THAT MEETING TO TALK ABOUT DOING A FULL LOOK AT THE SIGN CODE, ESPECIALLY IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, AND MAKING SOME SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY. I THINK THE EASY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT ANOTHER CITY'S CODE AND SAY, WELL, THEY'RE DOING IT LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ONE PIECE OF IT. IT'S TAKEN IN. IT'S NOT PART AND PARCEL. IT'S TAKEN TOGETHER COMPREHENSIVELY AS ONE CODE JUST TO PROTECT US ALL MOVING INTO THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH FIRST AMENDMENT. SO WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT IT AS WELL. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON OUR PLATE THAT ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT. AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MANAGE THE WORKLOAD AND THE TIME COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD. BUT AS LONG AS WE KNOW IT'S OUT THERE TO BE OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT WAS. NO, YOU TAKE IT BACK. THERE WERE TWO MORE, TWO MORE THINGS THAT WERE REVIEWED BY ARB. ONE WAS THE 62 PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THIS EVENING. IT WAS NOT FOR THEM TO VOTE ON. IT WAS JUST A PRESENTATION TO THEM. AND I WOULD JUST SHARE THAT THAT THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY CHALLENGING LOCATION BETWEEN THIS COMMERCIAL VEHICULAR THING THAT'S GOING ON OVER AT 62, AND WHAT WE WANT TO BE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY IN BETWEEN, AND THAT THEY HOPE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE HAVE MORE OF A ACTIVE ROLE AS THINGS GO ALONG. AND THEY WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD LEAVE SOME SUBJECTIVITY FOR SOME CREATIVITY TO MAKE THAT AREA BLEND WELL BETWEEN THE TWO EXTREMES. SO I'M SHARING THAT MESSAGE. AND THEN THE FINAL EVENT WAS REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOLS CAME TO SHOW A FIRST DRAWING, WHICH I FORGOT TO GET OUT OF MY MAILBOX. I'LL GO GET THAT AND PASS IT AROUND FOR YOU TO SEE A FIRST DRAFT DRAWING OF THE POTENTIAL NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND I WILL SAY, I WILL JUST SAY THAT IT WAS NOT VERY POPULAR WITH WITH THE ARB REPRESENTATIVES TO SAY, TO SAY THE LEAST. IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR IF THEY WERE VOTING TODAY ON WHETHER THAT THING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, IT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE DESIGN THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. SO BUT I'LL GET IT OUT OF MY MAILBOX HERE AND PASS IT TO EVERYBODY LATER ON THIS EVENING. AND THAT'S IT. THAT WAS IT FOR THE NRP. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARLENE. ALL RIGHT. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS DID NOT MEET SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD. KATIE. YES. WE HAD A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY. WENT OVER QUITE A BIT. THE POCKET PRAIRIE DRAFT PLAN, IF YOU REMEMBER WE'RE ON THREE BASICALLY POCKET PRAIRIE TEST AREAS, TAYLOR FARM, PLANTERS GROVE, JAMES RIVER PARK, OUR CONSULTANT AND CONTRACTOR THAT WE EXECUTING THOSE THE MAD SCIENTISTS CAME IN TO PRESENT THEIR BASICALLY THEIR SITE PLANS. AND I CAN SHARE THOSE WITH YOU ALL TAYLOR FARM IT'S GOING TO BE THE TEST IS ROAD FRONT BASICALLY ALONG DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 0.63 ACRES. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A WETLAND SLASH SALT TOLERANT MIX OF KIND OF WILD PLANTINGS THERE. PLANTER'S GROVE IS MORE OF A FIELD. IT'S A MIXED TYPE MEADOW THAT IS GOING TO BE 1.22 ACRES IN PLANTER'S GROVE PARK. SO MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT AREA. JAMES RIVER PARK IS KIND OF I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IF YOU WALK BEHIND THE PLAYGROUND, THERE'S A LOOP BACK THERE. WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT 100 SQUARE YARD KIND OF SHOW GARDEN THAT KIND OF HAS DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND KIND OF A SHOWPIECE TO DRAW PEOPLE BACK THERE, AND THE TRAIL WILL ACTUALLY BISECT THE PLANNING BACK THERE. SO KIND OF THE GENERAL AREAS IN THE I MEAN WE GET DOWN INTO IF YOU WANT TO SEE ALL THE MIXES AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE GOING INTO THE AREAS, THEY'RE INCLUDED AS WELL. SO WE BASICALLY I DON'T KNOW IF WE GREENLIGHTED THEM TO START PREPPING OR IF THEY WERE GOING TO MODIFY MAYBE JAMES RIVER A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THEY GREENLIGHT THEM COMPLETELY.

YEAH, THEY'RE IN MODIFIED THE SHAPE OF THE INSIDE BED OF JAMES RIVER AND THEN KIND OF SHORE UP ALL THE ACREAGE AND SQUARE FOOTAGES, AND WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON TEMPORARY SIGNAGE AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE PLANTING SEASON FOR THIS YEAR. WELL, FIRST COMES THE KILLING SEASON, KILLING SEASON. AND THAT WAS MY NEXT POINT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO KILL EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE PLANTING AREAS FIRST. SO MOST SIGNIFICANTLY, AT PLANTERS GROVE, THERE'S GOING TO BE

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BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A 2 OR 3 COURSE DEAL. IT'S KIND OF LIKE TAYLOR FARM WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO MATURE. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE WE ARE AWARE THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS. SO WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT NOTIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOODS EITHER DIRECT MAIL OR KIND OF LIKE WE MAKE ZONING NOTIFICATIONS TO THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IT FIRSTHAND THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE AREAS. SO THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. AND I MEAN, SOME OF THE RENDERINGS LOOK FANTASTIC. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY COOL WHEN IT'S DONE. SO THAT MOVES US TO THE 2025 INVASIVE TRADE IN PROGRAM. I THINK YOU GUYS PROBABLY SEEN SOME ADVERTISEMENTS ON SOCIALS. WE'VE GOT A $500 TRADE IN VALUE.

IF YOU REMOVE AN INVASIVE SPECIES AND REPLACE IT WITH AN INVASIVE SPECIES THAT'S BEEN THROUGH. WE'VE HAD TWO APPLICATIONS SO FAR. JUST ROLLED OUT TWO APPLICATIONS OUT OF THE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF MORE HAVE ROLLED IN SINCE THEN. SO EXCITED TO GET THAT PROGRAM MOVING. AND THEN EARTH DAY TO ARBOR DAY. I KNOW ALL OF YOU WERE KIND OF PART OF THAT. THE GREEN GUARDIAN INFO SESSION. IF YOU WANT TO BE A GREEN GUARDIAN, GET A COOL SHIRT. YOU GOT TO SIGN UP TO BE A VOLUNTEER. WE HAD 17 ATTENDEES OF THE SESSION, 15 FOLKS SIGNED UP TO BE VOLUNTEERS, WHICH IS SUPER EXCITING. PROBABLY OUR FIRST EVENT AT THE MCCOY. YOU'LL SEE SOME FOLKS OUT THERE IF YOU SEE THE GREEN GUARDIAN SHIRT, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. THEY'RE KIND OF DIVERTING TRASH INTO RECYCLABLES AND HELPING OUT IN THAT REGARD. THE ARBOR DAY TREE PLANTING, WHICH A LOT OF US TOOK PART IN, 350 TREES PLANTED AT ROSE RUN. YOU CAN IF YOU WALK THROUGH THERE, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE LITTLE GREEN MESH NETTING. IT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO SEE THEM ALL COMING UP THERE. AND THEN THE BIG ONE, THE E-WASTE HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD COLLECTION AND PAPER SHREDDING EVENT. WE SHARED THAT IT WAS AN EPIC TURNOUT THAT EXCEEDED OUR WILDEST EXPECTATIONS. SOME OF THE FINAL NUMBERS ARE IN. WE RECYCLED 6,281 POUNDS OF PAPER. WE HAD TWO 20,897 POUNDS OF E-WASTE, WHICH IS UP 176% FROM LAST YEAR. HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE IS STILL BEING CALCULATED.

EXCUSE ME, A LITTLE HEARTBURN. AND THEN THE NOT A HAND COUNT BECAUSE I SWEAR IT'S A BIGGER NUMBER THAN THIS. BUT THE PLACE WHERE I DATA TELLS US THAT WE HAD 1200 CARS, WHICH IN 2024 WE HAD 400 CARS. SO I THINK THAT'S A LOW ESTIMATE. AND IT'S WHAT'S ENCOURAGING IS AT LEAST 50% WERE FROM 4304 AREA CODE. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT FOLKS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. IT WAS THE MAJORITY WAS RIGHT HERE IN NEW ALBANY. SO VERY EXCITING. AND WHEN WE GET THAT FINAL NUMBER OF THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, I'LL SHARE THAT. THE FINAL EVENT WE HAD WAS OUT AT TAYLOR FARM. PETE BARNES, WHO'S ON SAB, HAD, I THINK, LAURA GALLO TO PUT ON THE NATURE EXPLORATION DAY KIND OF FUN STUFF. IT WAS RAINY, IT WAS GROSS. IT WAS IT WAS SUPER FUN FOR THE KIDS, I'M SURE, BECAUSE THEY GOT TO GET MUDDY AND DIRTY. BUT WE HAD ABOUT 50 KIDS AND FAMILIES OUT THERE FOR THAT. THEY GOT, YOU KNOW, IN THE WETLANDS AND EXPLORED AND DID FUN STUFF. SO ALL IN ALL, IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL AND ACTIVE EARTH DAY CELEBRATION. YEAH, YEAH, I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT IS TAKES PLACE INTO PLANNING FOR THESE PLANTS AND TREES. AND YOU REALLY DON'T NOTICE IT. BUT I KNOW OUT IN TAYLOR EVERYTHING THAT IS WAS PLANTED WAS PURPOSEFUL AND WHERE IT WAS PUT IN AND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DEVELOP. SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE FOR THESE TEST AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING. ONE QUICK QUESTION IS THAT INVASIVE SPECIES, IS THAT ONE PER HOUSEHOLD? YES. OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. AND BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO TAKE THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS ON THE SITE AND YOU CAN FIND IT ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WILL LINK YOU TO IT. BUT YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR INVASIVE SPECIES IN YOUR YARD ONCE IT'S REMOVED AND THEN PRESENT A RECEIPT OF WHEN YOU PURCHASE WHAT YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH AND A PICTURE OF IT REPLACED. AND THEN THEN YOU CAN GET YOUR REIMBURSEMENT. OKAY. YEAH, I VOLUNTEERED TO KILL THE TURF BECAUSE THAT'S MY SPECIALTY. CURRENTLY I AM NOT GOING TO PLANT ANYTHING IN ANY OF THESE PARKS. I GET BROWN

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BASED ON THE GROWING WHERE WE ARE NOW. WE ARE NOW. YEAH, THERE IS COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND IT'S A PRODUCTION TO KIND OF PUT IT ON. AND I WILL SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF FOLKS KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT SWACO DOES OFFER YEAR ROUND DROP OFF. WE CAN SHARE THAT ADDRESS. BUT IF YOU GO ON SWACO SITE, IT'S FREE AND YOU CAN SWING BY AND DROP OFF ANYTIME. SO THERE ARE OTHER MEANS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO THROW IT IN THE TRASH. YOU HAVE BATTERIES OR PAINT THAT'S ACCUMULATING. YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN THERE ALL YEAR ROUND. YEAH, THAT DOWN BY THE FAIRGROUNDS, I BELIEVE IT IS. YEAH. KING AVENUE, MAYBE SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I DEEM IMPLEMENTATION PANEL. PANEL. WE DID HAVE A MEETING. DO YOU HAVE THE UPDATE FROM IT? NO. THE BAG. IT LOOKS LIKE THE BAG. OH, NO. NO. OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS. NO, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT IDEAL. I'M SORRY I LIED. PLEASE. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? DO YOU HAVE A. YEAH. SO WE HAD A MEETING, HAD A FEW AGENDA ITEMS. ONE RELATED TO A RESOLUTIONS ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. WE TALKED OVER AN UPDATE ON A TRAIN NEAR MAGDEBURG EVENT. WHICH COUNCILWOMAN BURRIS, I THINK UPDATED COUNCIL ON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AS WELL. AND WE ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT OUR NEW VOLUNTEER PORTAL. SO SAME AS THE GREEN GUARDIANS. THE CITY NOW HAS ONE VOLUNTEER PORTAL FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO VOLUNTEER FOR ANYTHING IN THE CITY TO GO ON. YOU SET UP AN ACCOUNT, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT WILL BE FOR GREEN GUARDIANS. IT WILL BE FOR ANY EVENTS INCLUDING JUNETEENTH AND DIWALI, WHICH ARE IDEA RELATED EVENTS. WE DID GIVE AN UPDATE ON JUNETEENTH. THAT'S THURSDAY, JUNE 19TH FROM 6 TO 9.

THIS YEAR WE HAVE 15 VENDORS AND OUR VENDOR VILLAGE, SEVEN FOOD TRUCKS COMMITTED SO FAR. THREE AUTHORS WILL BE THERE. WE HAVE SECURED CARRIE CHARLES FROM CHANNEL FOUR AS THE EMCEE, SO THE LINEUP WILL BE THE PROCLAMATION THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. THE BLACK NATIONAL ANTHEM. WE HAVE COLUMBUS CULTURAL ORCHESTRA. WE HAVE A STORYTELLER, THE SAME DRUM AND DANCE TEAM THAT'S BEEN THERE THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND THEN WE HAVE A BAND. THE CHUCK STARR BAND WILL BE THE CLOSER. SO WE WENT OVER THAT UPDATE, AND THEN WE ALSO DID A UPDATE TO THE BOARD ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CONNECTOR PROGRAM. WE HAD OUR FIRST TRAINING SESSION IN FEBRUARY. WE HAD FIVE COMMUNITY CONNECTORS ATTEND. WE'RE CURRENTLY UP TO 15 CONNECTOR APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WITH MULTIPLE CONNECTORS, WHICH I THINK IS OKAY GIVEN THE SIZE OF LIKE SAY, THE WINDSOR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS MANY MORE HOUSEHOLDS THAN SOME OTHER ONES. WE DID HAVE A SECOND TRAINING SESSION SCHEDULED FOR MAY 6TH, BUT WE COULDN'T GET A LOT OF TURNOUT THERE, SO WE HAVE TO POSTPONE IT. WE DID A LITTLE DEBRIEF WITH THE BOARD TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS. IF WE TO DO TRAINING, MAYBE DO A VIDEO IF WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A HARD TIME JUST IT'S A BUSY TIME OF YEAR AND GETTING PEOPLE TO ATTEND.

AND THEN WE FINALIZE SOME DETAILS RELATED TO THE WELCOME BOXES LIKE THE COMMUNITY CONNECTORS WILL PRESENT TO NEW RESIDENTS THAT MOVE INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEY'LL HAVE MAPS OF LIKE POINTS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND SOME CONTACT INFORMATION AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY, AS WELL AS A SMALL CANDLE, A LIGHTLY SCENTED CANDLE AS A GIFT THAT THE COUNT. THE CANDLES WERE ACTUALLY DONATED FROM AILEEN CANDLES. SO IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER AND WE HAVE FABULOUS DOOR HANGERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY CONNECTORS HANG ON THE DOORS OF EVERYONE JUST BRAND NEW PEOPLE THAT GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. YEAH. AND ALSO WE HAVE JUNETEENTH T-SHIRTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ORDER AND PICK UP. I THINK THEY'LL BE GOING OUT. YEAH. WE SENT OUT INFORMATION TO THE FOCUS GROUP TODAY, AND WE'LL BE COMMUNICATING HOW TO DO THE PRESALE, AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PICK UP YOUR T SHIRTS OR BUY T SHIRTS AT THE EVENT AS WELL. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. CEMETERY RESTORATION

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ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH ANY COUNCIL MEMBER. LIKE TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR COMMUNICATIONS. ALL RIGHT.

[9. PUBLIC HEARING FOR JERSEY-NEW ALBANY JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NO. 1, NO. 2, AND NO. 3]

TOWNSHIPS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO GENERATE THEIR OWN INCOME TAX, BUT WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO UNDER THE OHIO REVISED CODE IS TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPALITY THAT WILL ENABLE THEM TO USE THE MUNICIPALITY'S INCOME TAX RATE, WHICH IN THE CASE OF NEW ALBANY IS 2%, AND APPLY THAT TO THESE DEVELOPMENT AREAS. THE JED'S ARE ALL VOLUNTARY, SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO AGREE TO VOLUNTARILY SUBJECT THEIR PROPERTY TO THE JED AND THE JED TAX. THE INCOME TAX IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL HOME IN THE AREA THAT IS PREEXISTING, THE CREATION OF THE JED, IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE TO THE TAX. SO PER THE OHIO REVISED CODE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC MEETING. THE TOWNSHIP HAD THEIR PUBLIC MEETING YESTERDAY. THEY CONTINUED THEIR MEETING TO JUNE 17TH. I WOULD ASK COUNCIL, FOLLOWING ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TONIGHT TO ALSO TABLE OURS AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AT OUR JUNE 17TH MEETING UNDER. I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR THAT HE IS WORKING WITH VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS TO FINALIZE THE MAP. SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT JED AREAS. THE ONE IS LOCATED ON. ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE, PRIMARILY OF STATE ROUTE 161. THE SECOND IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF MINK, AND THE THIRD IS LOCATED ALONG THE MORRIS ROAD CORRIDOR. THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR IS WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DETERMINE WHO WANTS TO BE INCLUDED IN EACH OF THOSE JED AREAS, AND HE'LL COME BACK TO US BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. AND AT THIS CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 17TH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO UPDATE COUNCIL WITH THE FINAL LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS. THERE ALSO MAY BE SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO THE TEXT OF THE ACTUAL AGREEMENTS, WHICH WERE PUBLISHED 30 DAYS AGO. THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. THERE MAY BE A FEW LITTLE TWEAKS HERE AND THERE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE TO JUST ADJUST THE LANGUAGE, MAYBE ADD SOME BELT AND SUSPENDERS TYPE LANGUAGE. BUT EFFECTIVELY THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. IT'S A MECHANISM TO ENABLE

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THERE MAY BE SOME THAT WANT TO BE ADDED. SINCE THIS EXHIBIT WAS CREATED 30 DAYS AGO, THERE MAY BE SOME THAT WANT TO DROP OUT, SO THERE'S NO PRESSURE. THEY CAN ADD THEMSELVES IF THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, OR THEY COULD JUST CHOOSE TO OPT OUT AND MAINTAIN THEIR EXISTING USE. OKAY. THANK YOU JOE. AND THAT'S THE THING IS THE TERMS, IF THEY OPT IN, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS WHICH ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. SO OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL UNDER PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEW JERSEY NEW ALBANY JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, TWO AND THREE. OKAY. HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO TABLE AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THE JUNE 17TH MEETING. SECOND. TWO PRESIDENT PRO TEM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRIS. YES. SIX. YES. VOTES TO TABLE. THE PUBLIC HEARING TO JUNE 17TH. OKAY.

[10. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC HEARING]

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THANK YOU. THIS IS A SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE. AS YOU MENTIONED. THIS IS FOR THE FINAL PLAT FOR PARKWAY WEST PHASE THREE. B WALK THROUGH THE FIRST FEW SLIDES HERE JUST TO KIND OF HELP ORIENT EVERYONE ON THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THIS UP HERE ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN IS DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. THE ROAD YOU CAN SEE JUST NORTH OF THAT IS STATE ROUTE 161, THE ROAD THAT RUNS GENERALLY THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE IMAGE HERE IS BABBITT ROAD. AND THEN THE AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED. HERE IS THE AREA THAT'S BEING PLATTED.

AGAIN. THIS IS FOR CANTON PARKWAY WEST PHASE THREE B THIS OTHER IMAGE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL PLAT IMAGE ITSELF THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE LEGISLATION IN THIS KIND OF CHANGES THE ORIENTATION A LITTLE BIT. SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT MORE OR I'M SORRY, RIVER ROAD IS RIGHT HERE ON THE IMAGE. AND THIS SHOWS THE ROADWAY OR PHASE. PHASE THREE B OF PARKWAY WEST IN KIND OF ZOOMED OUT IN THE LARGER CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL PARKWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED.

SO AGAIN, THIS PLAT WILL ALLOW GANTON PARKWAY WEST TO BE EXTENDED FURTHER WEST FROM WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY STUBBED TODAY IN FRONT OF THE AMGEN PROPERTY. DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOW UP TO ASK A LOT OF REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE PLANS FOR BABBITT ROAD. YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SOUTH OF THIS AREA. WE IN PREPARATION FOR THAT, WE DID PREPARE THIS STREET VIEW EXHIBIT AND SHARE IT AT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, GIVE, GIVE, GIVE FOLKS AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALONG BABBITT ROAD, BABBITT ROAD, AND THEN WHAT THAT LANDSCAPE TREATMENT, THAT MOUNDING TREATMENT WILL LOOK LIKE BEYOND THE RIGHT OF WAY INTO THE PRIVATE SITES. SO AGAIN, THIS INFORMATION WAS SHARED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ANSWERED. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT, BOTH RYAN LEE AND STEVE MAYER, TO. WE CREATED AN EMAIL DISTRIBUTION LIST WHERE WE WERE TO GET EVERYONE WHO ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. MORE INFORMATION POST MEETING, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP THEM UPDATED AS THE ROADWAY PLANS ARE PROGRESSED. AND THEN I WILL HAND IT OVER TO RYAN, WHO'S GOING TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS SLIDE HERE. THANK YOU CHRIS. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. SO LAST TIME DURING FIRST READING COUNCIL HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE AREA IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE ROUNDABOUT. AND SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST PROVIDE THIS EXHIBIT TO HELP VISUALLY DEMONSTRATE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. AND SO THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY OWNS THESE TWO PARCELS HERE. AND THEY HAVE STATED THAT ACCESS WILL NOT BE NEEDED TO BE MAINTAINED TO THOSE ONCE THIS ROUNDABOUT IS CONSTRUCTED, WE WILL MAINTAIN ACCESS TO THE TWO PROPERTIES OR TO THE PROPERTIES HERE ON THE EDGE LINES BY EXTENDING THEIR DRIVEWAYS TO CONNECT TO EACH LEG OF, YOU KNOW, THE NORTH AND SOUTH LEG OF THE ROUNDABOUT, THOSE WILL BE FULL ACCESS MOVEMENTS, MEANING THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TURN EITHER WAY IN AND OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY THERE. AND THEN. THIS SPACE IN BETWEEN IS CURRENTLY BEING EVALUATED. WE'RE STILL IN DESIGN ON THIS PROJECT NOW, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SPACE TO SEE IF IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE AND BE A GOOD LOCATION FOR POTENTIALLY A BMP, AND THEN IF NOT, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSIDERING OTHER OPTIONS AND WE COULD PROPOSE VACATING PORTIONS OF THAT OR POTENTIALLY HOLDING IT IF IT MAKES SENSE THAT IT COULD BE USED IN THE FUTURE. SO THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME ON THAT SPACE IN BETWEEN, RIGHT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT DID YOU SAY? A, B AND P I'M SORRY. YES. SO A BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO THINK LIKE A DETENTION BASIN OKAY.

VERY LIKELY. THANK YOU. YEP. HEY, RYAN SAW THE PICTURE BEFOR. ABOUT SOME LEISURE TRAIL AND SPACE AND WALKING THAT'S ON BABBITT. WILL THAT ALSO CONTINUE THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT? YEAH. SO GOOD QUESTION. IT WILL CONTINUE UP TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN. IT DOES GO. WE DO PROVIDE FOR ACCESS AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. SO THAT'S A YES. YES OKAY. SO THANKS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT I'M NOW GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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PRO TEM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FRISK. YES, I HAVE SIX YES. VOTES FOR

[11. INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCES]

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ORDINANCE OH 21 2025, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND JERSEY TOWNSHIP FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING THE WORTHINGTON ROAD JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE MORSE ROAD JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND THE NORTHEAST MINT STREET JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AND I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO YOU AGAIN, JOE. SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT IS PRESCRIBED THROUGH THE AWC, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE. SO WE'RE HAVING THE

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[12. RESOLUTIONS AND PUBLIC HEARING]

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SO I WANT TO ECHO CHRIS'S CHRIS CHRISTIAN'S SENTIMENTS AND THANK YOUS TO ALL THOSE INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT. WE REACHED QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT METHODS. THROUGH THIS PROCESS, A REALLY ROBUST ENGAGEMENT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOVE TO SEE IS CONTINUED INTEREST IN THIS THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO WE DIDN'T SEE A DROP OFF. WE SAW CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT. WE HAD OUR 22 STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. WE DID A FEW DIFFERENT METHODS OF SURVEY. SO PAPER KIND OF IN PERSON AS WELL AS ONLINE WITH OVER 500 RESPONSES, LOTS OF AWARENESS I THINK WAS GENERATED ABOUT THIS PLAN THROUGH THE CITY'S KIND OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUTREACH. WE HAD IN THREE IN-PERSON WORKSHOPS WITH OVER 400 ATTENDEES IN TOTAL. SO REALLY ROBUST ENGAGEMENT. THESE ARE ALL OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE STEERING COMMITTEE, REPRESENTING KIND OF A WIDE CROSS-SECTION OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THIS AREA, REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND RESIDENTS VERY IMPORTANTLY, RESIDENTS BOTH WITHIN THE FOCUS AREA AS WELL AS ADJACENT RESIDENTS TOO, I WILL NOTE THE STEERING COMMITTEE REALLY WAS KIND OF OUR GUIDING FORCE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, AND WE DEFINITELY PUT THEM TO WORK. WE HAD SOME REALLY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT LAND USE DECISIONS MEAN AND POLICY DECISIONS. WE HAD THEM KIND OF LOOK AT SOME BENCHMARK DISTRICTS AROUND CENTRAL OHIO. WE DID A FUN KIND OF DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO ACTIVITY, LOOKING AT WHAT THIS AREA COULD SUPPORT IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO TRIED TO KEEP THEM UPDATED ON OUR FINDINGS ALONG THE WAY. AND YEAH, I'M SORRY, I ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY ENJOYED THIS STEERING COMMITTEE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STEERING COMMITTEES VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME. THIS STEERING COMMITTEE, WE HAD MEETINGS FOR ABOUT TWO HOURS AND THEY STAYED EVEN TO THREE HOURS ALMOST AFTERWARDS. WE HAD FIVE OF THEM. IT'S RARE THAT WE GET A CHANCE TO KIND OF SHARE AT THE LEVEL WE LIKE TO KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THIS STEERING COMMITTEE LIKE WE HAVE IT BEFORE. SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE ELEVATOR SPEECH? AND YOU CAN MISS A LOT OF THINGS, BUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THESE LONG CONVERSATIONS, I THINK, HELPED PROVIDE A MORE INFORMED DECISION FOR THIS GROUP. ONE AND THEN THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF WHEN OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS TOOK PLACE, WHEN THOSE SURVEYS WERE OPEN, WE ALSO DID BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS VERY GEOGRAPHIC, OBVIOUSLY BASED. SO WE DID HAVE A INTERACTIVE MAP THROUGH THIS SOCIAL PINPOINT ENGAGEMENT HUB THAT HELPED US TO GET SOME PLACE BASED FEEDBACK AS WELL. AND ALL OF WHAT WE HEARD KIND OF IS SUMMARIZED IN THESE BIG THEMES THAT YOU SEE HERE. I THINK A BIG ONE WE'VE HEARD IS JUST THE DESIRE FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA TO BRING THE CHARACTER UP AND KIND OF HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY OF CHARACTER WITHIN THIS AREA COMPARED WITH THE REST OF NEW ALBANY, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WERE SOMETHING THAT CAME UP, AND I THINK PUBLIC REALM AND PUBLIC INVESTMENTS IN THIS AREA WOULD GO A REALLY LONG WAY AROUND TRAILS, PARKS, ROADS, INTERSECTIONS. BUT ANOTHER BIG THEME THAT CAME UP WAS ABOUT RETAIL AND BUSINESSES AND THE VARIETY AND THE TYPE AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT THAT TAKES IN THIS FOCUS AREA. SO WE DID THE CITY DID ENGAGE MARKET ANALYSIS FIRM CALLED DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, WHO HELPED US WITH THIS MARKET ANALYSIS PIECE TO KIND OF ANSWER SOME OF THE MORE QUANTITATIVE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD. SO IT'S A VERY COMPETITIVE RETAIL ENVIRONMENT, NOT JUST WITHIN NEW ALBANY, BUT IN THE PRIMARY MARKET AREA. BUT DEMAND STILL DOES EXCEED SUPPLY, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS. YOU CAN SUPPORT MORE RETAIL GROWTH. THERE. THIS AREA, THE WHAT IS REALLY SUPPORTING AND DRIVING THE CURRENT RETAIL OFFERINGS IN THE FOCUS AREA IS JOBS AND COMMUTER

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YOU SEE KIND OF OVERALL, WHICH KIND OF REPRESENTS A DRIVE TIME OR DRIVE SHED OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GO KIND OF LOCALLY TO MEET THEIR DAILY NEEDS. SO IT DOES INCLUDE EASTON, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS A MAJOR DRIVER OF RETAIL TRAFFIC AND REGIONALLY. BUT OUR I WILL SAY JUST TO NOTE THAT 25 TO 30,000FT■!S RETAIL DEMAND THAT E FOUND IN OUR STUDY DOES INCLUDE PROJECTED BUILD OUT OF VILLAGE CENTER RETAIL AS WELL AS THE HAMLET. SO WE ARE CONSIDERING THOSE IMPACTS ON HOW MUCH THIS AREA COULD SUPPORT IN TERMS OF RETAIL. YEAH. SO THIS AREA HAS REALLY I MEAN, BUILT OUT VERY QUICKLY. AND IT'S LIKELY GOING TO CONTINUE THAT WAY. LIKE I SAID, UNLESS WE CHANGE SOMETHING TO INFLUENCE WHAT THE DEMAND IS FROM SUBURBAN AUTO ORIENTED USES TO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THAT KIND OF MATCHES THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WE HEARD THROUGH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. SO IF THINGS GO STATUS QUO AS THEY ARE WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ENGAGE NEW ALBANY, THERE ARE STILL LITTLE THINGS WE COULD DO IN TERMS OF MARKET STRATEGY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE MARKET ANALYSIS FIRM SUGGESTED WERE MANY NODES WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF CLUSTERING BUSINESSES, MAYBE REDUCING CURB CUTS TO HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT WALKABILITY PIECE, AND THEN ALSO TENANT CREATION TO TRY TO ATTRACT THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THE NEXT SLIDE, I WANT TO DO A BREAK HERE JUST REAL QUICK. SO I WANT TO MAKE AN EMPHASIS POINT HERE BECAUSE I AM ANTICIPATING SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. SO I WANT TO REALLY QUICKLY GO BACK TO THE KEY POINTS WE HEARD WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS FROM THE COMMUNITY.

RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. DEVELOPMENT. NOT A SURPRISE, RIGHT? TRAFFIC CONGESTION PARTICULARLY. THAT WAS WHEN CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON AT THE INTERCHANGE. SO IT WAS A SURPRISE THAT WAS REALLY AT THE TOP OF THE MIND. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT IMPROVEMENTS. STILL CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON 62. SO AGAIN, NOT A SURPRISE. THE THIRD POINT WAS A SURPRISE.

I THINK AS A CITY, AS CITY STAFF, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB GETTING HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, FORCING RETAIL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NORMALLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO LOOK MORE NEW ALBANY FIT MORE NEW ALBANY ALONG 62 AND FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING A PRETTY RESPONSIBLE JOB WITH THE COMMUNITY. SAID IS WE DON'T LIKE IT. AND THEY SAID IT STRONGLY.

THEY SAID THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE GETTING. THE AUTO ORIENTED RETAIL NATURE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH, IT'S REALLY FOR PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE CITY. IT'S NOT FOR US. WE WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OIL CHANGE STATION. EXACTLY. AND SO THIS IS A MAJOR THIS IS GOING TO ANSWER A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING UP NEXT IN YOUR MIND. THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE. SO THE POINT IS THE MARKET IS SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO GREAT. WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE OF THIS. 62 IS A PERFECT PLACE. LOTS OF TRAFFIC. YOU'RE GOING TO GET AUTO ORIENTED. YOU'RE GOING TO SERVICE STUFF.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE BANKS. YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE HOTELS. YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE AUTO STUFF. YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE RESTAURANT. EVERY RESTAURANT THAT WANTS TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET IS GOING TO PUT SOMETHING HERE, MAYBE A COUPLE MORE GAS STATIONS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ON 62, AND WE'LL MAKE THEM LOOK GREAT. BUT THE COMMUNITY SAID THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN BETWEEN AS FAR AS WE'VE GOTTEN AND FIVE POINTS OR EVEN BEYOND

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AND I THINK WE WERE PREPARED TO SAY THIS WAS THE PLAN. WE HAVE SOME ISSUES. WE HAVE SMALL LOTS, VERY FRAGMENTED OWNERSHIP. SO PUSHING THIS IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGING BECAUSE A LOT TO ALREADY LIKE PERFECTLY SIZED FOR A RETAIL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT AND NOT SIZED FOR KIND OF STRINGING OUT BIGGER DEVELOPMENT. SO TO GET SOMEONE INTERESTED IN BUYING MULTIPLE LOTS AND DOING DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S NOT JUST A FAST FOOD DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT GETS THE ECONOMIC RETURN BACK. SO STAFF PUSH US AND SAY, DON'T JUST END HERE, GIVE US A BIG IDEA THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT. SO THIS IS ONE DIRECTION. YOU CAN SAY THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO DO. THAT'S GREAT. IS THAT MORE LIKE A HAMILTON ROAD DIRECTION. THIS IS MORE LIKE A VERY NICE HAMILTON ROAD DIRECTION OR A DUBLIN AVERY MUIRFIELD. AS YOU GET OFF 33 DIRECTION, MAKE IT LOOK NICE, MAKE IT LOOK GREEN. NICE SETBACKS. LEISURE TRAILS, RETAIL SERVICES. THAT WOULD BE IT AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD I THINK. BUT WHAT WE HEARD IS CAN WE CHANGE THE MARKET? CAN WE GET THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR? AND IF YOU ASK THAT QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE INCENTIVES TO THE PRIVATE MARKET TO DO THAT. AND IN TODAY'S WORLD OFFICE MARKET'S NOT STRONG.

HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. ONE STORY RETAIL CAN DO THAT ALL DAY LONG. AS LONG AS THERE'S A MARKET THERE, NOT SERVICE STUFF. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ON 62. YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO BUILD A NEW BIG HOUSE ON 62? I DON'T THINK SO. THAT LEAVES YOU VERY LITTLE IN THE MARKET THAT CAN HAPPEN HERE. YOU CAN SAY, DON'T DO ANYTHING AND JUST LEAVE THE MARKET. GO AND LEAVE THE ZONE AND GO. AND DEVELOPMENT WILL HAPPEN SLOWLY AND PIECEMEAL. FASHION, YOU'LL PROBABLY GET PRESSURE THAT WILL LEAPFROG NEW ALBANY AND GO TO PLAIN TOWNSHIP TO DO THE STUFF THAT WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE GOT TO BE PREPARED FOR, LIKE THE TIRE SIDE. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE TRY TO EMBRACE, GET AHEAD OF AND DO SOMETHING TO GET THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AND GET AHEAD OF IT? THAT MEANS INSTEAD OF JUST DOING THE PURPLE AND SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING BUSINESS AS USUAL, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT GOOD, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT NEW ALBANY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND BE HAPPY WITH THAT. DO WE CHANGE THE MARKET AND THE CHANGE? THE MARKET IS GREEN ARROW. THAT

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WE'RE SAYING 280 UNITS, I'M SORRY, 280 ACRES VERSUS TAKING UP 1850 ACRES TO GET THAT SAME RESULT. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY WE WANT TO FLOOD THE CITY WITH PEOPLE. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. THE POINT IS, WE'RE SAYING IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE MARKET HERE, THIS IS THE TRADE OFF AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO WEIGH. BUT THIS IS DISCUSSION. BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO TELL YOU, WE'LL ALSO TELL YOU EVEN DOING THIS DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE STUFF WE WANT. IT'S STILL GOING TO TAKE WORK. AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK SAID, ARAB IS RIGHT. IT ALSO TAKES IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF REVIEW. I MEAN, PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO EXTEND OUR REVIEW DISTRICT INTO THIS AREA, PROBABLY WANT THEM REVIEWING THESE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY GOOD. SO I MEAN, IF YOU SAY YES, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THIS INCENTIVE OF MORE DENSITY. YOU'RE ALSO SAYING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REALLY RAISE THE BAR. SO YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE TO DO THIS RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS SLIDE. YES. SO THE FOCUS AREA PLAN IS 573 ACRES. YES. OKAY. SO HOW YEAH BECAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S 1850 ACRES.

SO I WANT TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. YEAH. SO THE I'M JUMPING AHEAD I STOLE A LITTLE BIT OF SARAH'S THUNDER. I'M SORRY. SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE HIGHER DENSITY IN THE DARK PURPLE AREAS OKAY. WHICH IS EVEN SMALLER. WHICH IS SMALLER OKAY THAN THE 500 ACRES THAT WE SAID.

OKAY. AND SARAH DID A LOT OF THE THINGS, SO I SHOULD LET YOU DO THE MATH. I'LL EXPLAIN THE MATH.

YEAH. SO AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE ADDED THIS SLIDE BECAUSE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY DID ASK US TO DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT. AND ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO STUDENT POPULATION PROJECTIONS. SO THE 280 ACRES IS JUST THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. THIS OF ALL THREE SUBDIVISIONS OF NORTH DISTRICT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL THREE. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO AT BUILD OUT OF THAT FULL DISTRICT LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED IS THE 18 150 UNITS. AND SO WE USE THAT AS A CONSTANT TO COMPARE WITH KIND OF A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY BUILD OUT AS IT RELATES TO

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SO THE DARK PURPLE, LIGHT PURPLE AND THE YELLOW THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE THE SUBDISTRICTS WITHIN THIS BROADER KIND OF LAND USE CATEGORY. THAT'S BASICALLY THE NEW LIKE BIG IDEAS CHRIS MENTIONED WITHIN THIS PLAN. AND WE DID THAT THE THREE SUBDISTRICTS TO REALLY EMPHASIZE A DEVELOPMENT GRADIENT, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A CHANGE FROM NEW ALBANY'S KIND OF TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AND WE WANT TO BE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS OF THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. AND SO WE REALLY TRIED TO THINK ABOUT TRANSITIONING KIND OF DOWN, CREATING A GRADIENT, IF YOU WILL, OF DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY AND HEIGHT. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE PURPLE IS WHERE YOU CAN GO MORE DENSE AND A LITTLE TALLER. BUT IT HAS TO BE WALKABLE. YOU HAVE TO BE BUILDING PUBLIC COMMUNITY CIVIC SPACE AS PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ABOUT WALKABLE. IT'S AN EXCHANGE FOR THAT. YOU'RE INCORPORATING THE FAMILY RESTAURANT AND INCORPORATING THE RETAIL WE WANT, NOT THE STUFF THAT WE'RE GETTING. AND THEN THE YELLOW IS SINGLE FAMILY TODAY AND WE'RE SAYING STAY SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN THE LIGHT PURPLE IS THE MIXING ZONE WHERE, HEY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO MORE SINGLE FAMILY FROM CENTRAL COLLEGE DOWN INTO THAT AREA, THAT'S FINE. MAKE THE PLAN WORK, MAKE IT CONNECT. IF SOMEBODY'S IN THE DARK PURPLE AREA AND THEY'RE SAYING, I'VE GOT A PLAN, BUT MAN, I JUST NEED THE NEXT ACRE OVER TO MAKE THIS THING WORK THE WAY IT NEEDS TO WORK. I WANT TO PULL IT INTO MY DEVELOPMENT AREA WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. SO THE PURPLE IS THAT KIND OF FLEX ZONE THAT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF GREAT PEOPLE COME IN WITH SOME STUFF THAT'S REALLY GOING TO KNOCK OUR SOCKS OFF. I'M INTERESTED BECAUSE WALTON PARKWAY GENERALLY BEEN DEVELOPED AND THOUGHT OF AS A COMMERCIAL SPACE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS PLAN THAT WE'RE SOMEWHAT ABANDONING THAT. SO TO MAKE IT MORE RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT IS AN OPEN QUESTION, I THINK. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. WE DEBATED THIS UP AND DOWN ON WALTON PARKWAY ABOUT WE THOUGHT IF YOU GET THE HIGHER DENSITY, WALKABLE MIXED USE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT TRYING TO GET COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE THINGS IN THERE ABOUT FLEX OFFICE TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. I THINK THAT AREA COULD GO A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. ADRIAN, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO JUMP IN ON THAT. YEAH. WELL, I WAS THINKING TOO, THAT MAYBE BECAUSE WE JUMPED AHEAD TO SORT OF WHICH IS GOOD TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT MAYBE WE COULD TAKE A COUPLE STEPS BACK AND KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE PLAN OVERVIEW, BECAUSE IT MIGHT END UP ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT EVERYONE HAS. GOOD POINT. SO THIS IS THE OVERALL FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS WOULD, IF ADOPTED, WOULD REPLACE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN CURRENTLY, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE THOROUGHFARE MAP THAT WE HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL, AND ALL OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE WRITTEN. SO LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BIG THINGS THAT WE'RE WOULD BE A CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP ARE THE DARK PURPLE, LIGHT PURPLE, AND THE YELLOW DISTRICT, WHICH ALL ENCOMPASS THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. THE OTHER DISTRICTS ARE PRETTY MUCH AS IS THE TAN BEING ZALI, WHICH WE HEARD THROUGH THIS PROCESS, KIND OF A REINFORCING OF HOW IMPORTANT THAT AREA IS FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE KIND OF LOW BARRIER TO ENTRY INTO KIND OF THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT HERE. SO WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IN THAT AREA IS IMPORTANCE THE BLUE BEING OFFICE, CAMPUS, SOME OF THOSE MEDICAL USES, BUT ALSO SOME OFFICE HEADQUARTERS AS WELL. AND THEN THE RED ORANGE COLOR BEING US 62 COMMERCIAL CORE. SO THAT AUTO ORIENTED KIND OF OUTLOT STYLE RETAIL, WHICH I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU GUYS DO IT VERY WELL. IT'S JUST NOT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT WE'RE HEARING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE. AND THEN THE REST OF IT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT MORE IN DEPTH BEING THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. SO THIS IS REALLY ABOUT MORE OF A COMPACT, IDEALLY KIND OF WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERN. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE DID GET AT ARB WAS 62 IS A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC CORRIDOR. HOW IS IT GOING TO BE SUPER WALKABLE. AND

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AND SO YOU SEE THAT MORE INTENSIVE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES LIKE URBAN, COMMERCIAL, MULTI-UNIT, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE MORE EMPHASIZED IN THE DARK PURPLE SUBDISTRICT. AND THEN THE LIGHT PURPLE DISTRICT HAS THE MOST FLEXIBILITY, AS YOU SEE. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONTEXT DEPENDENT, AND THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS THERE AS WELL.

AND THEN THE YELLOW IS AGAIN BEING VERY CONTEXT SENSITIVE TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE JUST OUTSIDE OF OUR FOCUS AREA AND WITHIN OUR FOCUS AREA TODAY. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF YOUR KIND OF MORE TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. YEAH. SO HOW DO WE GET TO THE SIZE OF THE BARS? SO IN MY MIND, I WOULD WANT TO MAYBE HAVE THE DARK PURPLE THREE BLOCKS LIKE THE YELLOW HAVE MORE OF THE, THE I DON'T THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH DARK PURPLE.

AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE MORE YELLOW. I WOULD FLIP THEM ALMOST. OKAY. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT OPEN FOR DEBATE, I'M SURE IT'S OPEN FOR DEBATE BECAUSE WE'RE DEBATING IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT WOULD BE FIRST THING THAT JUMPS OUT TO ME IS ALL THAT DARK PURPLE, WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY. HIGH DENSITY BRINGS MORE DEMAND FOR MORE COMMERCIAL AND OTHER THINGS. I WOULD RATHER SEE LESS OF THE DARK PURPLE. NOT THAT I'M AGAINST SOME DARK PURPLE, BUT MAYBE FLIP THAT. YEAH. PERFECT PURPLE. YEAH. SO THAT'S MY INPUT ON THAT. I GUESS TO PIGGYBACK OFF CHIP, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE A LITTLE LIKE WE'RE BEING PUNKED, LIKE, BECAUSE I MAYBE HAVE PTSD FROM THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT MIXED USE. I MEAN, OUR FIRST FORAY INTO THIS WAS 30 ACRES, AND IT TOOK FOUR YEARS AND IT'S STILL COMING OUT OF THE GROUND. SO THIS IS A HUGE LEAP TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO PUSH ALL THIS. I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T END UP HERE. I'M JUST SAYING FROM WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY TO USING ALL THAT PURPLE IS A LITTLE I'M A LITTLE LEERY AND RETICENT JUST BECAUSE OUR FIRST FORAY INTO THAT PRODUCT ISN'T EVEN COMPLETED YET. SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A TRACK RECORD. SO I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO PUMP THE BRAKES AND JUST SEE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF HE CARVED THIS UP OR THAT'S JUST, AGAIN, MAYBE A PTSD. AND BUT WE TOOK A LONG TIME TO FIGURE THOSE 30 ACRES OUT. AND NOW IT'S JUST LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE JUST THESE BROAD SWATHS OF THIS PRODUCT. AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN I READ THROUGH THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, 69%, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THIS AREA IS DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY. AND WE KNOW THAT HAS A GREATER IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS. SO THERE'S A TRADE OFF, YOU KNOW, I THINK 41% SAID LIVE WORK UNITS OR COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE. SO IT'S A MUCH LOWER NUMBER FOR THAT PRODUCT. AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE NEED DENSITY TO MAYBE HAVE THESE OFFERINGS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE THAT IS YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TRADE OFF. THEY WANT RESIDENT RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS. BUT WE NEED MORE DENSITY. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IS THE DENSITY WORTH HAVING THOSE OPTIONS. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. AND I KNOW WHAT THE DATA SAYS AND IS THE I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS PLAN BEFORE. I LOVE THE DIFFERENT COLORS OF PURPLE. I LOVE LIKE THE DARK PURPLE AND WHERE THAT IS. BUT IS THE PROPOSED DENSITY NECESSARY? YOU KNOW, CAN YOU DO THAT WITH

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IT'S BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION. YOU KNOW, EVEN DURING ZONING OVERLAY. SO I THINK FOR 20, 25 YEARS. SO THAT IS WHAT IT IS. SO DO YOU YOU TRULY BELIEVE LET'S SAY WE GO MIXED USE, STARTING WITH THE PURPLE PARCELS TO THE NORTH. YOU KNOW, DOES THAT TRULY EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT THERE, DOES THAT TRULY CHANGE THE NATURE OF 62? AND TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT EVEN IF WE DO THIS, THAT IT WILL BE DEVELOPED THAT WAY.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S FRAGMENTED PARCELS. AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS TO KIND OF HAVE A UNIFIED VISION THERE. YES. THE REASON I WANTED TO DO THAT BREAK IN THE PRESENTATION IS WE WERE SAID, BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE STARS, I AM THE FIRST PERSON THAT WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE THE STARS. I'M NOT A FAN OF 62. YEAH, BUT I SAY THAT IN THOSE BUSINESSES GET USED. THEY ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DO GET USED. THEY DO WELL. SO I KNOW NOBODY KIND OF WANTS TO DRIVE THAT ROAD EVERY DAY, BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE CONVENIENCE TO THOSE AMENITIES THAT THOSE USES PROVIDE. BUT IT DOES FEEL VERY TRAFFIC ORIENTED, VEHICLE ORIENTED, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF US CHANGING, YOU KNOW, MIDSTREAM UP 62, IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THAT CORRIDOR. YES.

I THINK IT'S FAIR. I THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE MORE POSSIBLE TO DO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 62 AS YOU GO TO TOWARDS FIVE POINTS, THERE'S CHANCES THERE, BUT SOME OF IT IS IN THE TOWNSHIP AND WE'VE GOT SOME PROPOSALS ON SOME OF THAT GROUND. IF I THINK MAYBE BETHLEHEM OR BETHLEHEM OR WALTON PARKWAY AREA, MAYBE A PLACE IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO DO THIS, YOU COULD COULD MAKE SOME KIND OF STAND. WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE A VISION FOR THIS WHOLE AREA, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE HERE, TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND GET YOUR REACTION. YEAH, YEAH, I. IN LOOKING AT IT AND I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE INTEREST IN RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. YOU ALSO MENTIONED OR JOE MENTIONED THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ITS DEVELOPMENT ALL THE WAY UP TO JOHNSTOWN. IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD NOW THAT CAN NEVER STAND AS A TWO LANE ROAD. GIVEN THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON BETWEEN JOHNSTOWN DOWN TO HERE AND VICE VERSA GOING OUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE WIDER, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AND PUTTING SOME KIND OF RESIDENTIAL UP AGAINST THAT, WHERE THIS THING IS PURPLE AREA HERE. GREAT. UP HERE I HAVE I'M CHALLENGED TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND AGREE WITH THAT AT THIS

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THIS WAS ALL INTENDED TO BE COMMERCIAL ALONG HERE AND NOT HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE THERE WITH WHAT'S HERE AND WHAT'S UP THERE, AND THEN TRY TO JAM RESIDENTIAL IN HERE, I DON'T THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I'D RATHER SEE THAT CONTINUE AS RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, THIS DEVELOPS AND EVOLVES OUT HERE. I THINK THAT I WOULD SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS BRING FORWARD, BUT I THINK WE SAT IN A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS AND I THINK WE WERE ALL SURPRISED AT THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH PROJECTIONS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. AND YOU START TO BUILD THESE KIND OF NUMBERS IN HERE. THE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS AND I AND I CONTINUE TO HEAR APARTMENTS DON'T ADD STUDENTS, CONDOS, STUDENTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH A MAJOR LEVY WITH THE SCHOOLS. THERE'S GOING TO BE EXPANSION. I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING HERE IN 6 OR 7 YEARS AND SAYING, WE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT DENSE POPULATION OF 25,000 PEOPLE IN NEW ALBANY. AND I THINK WHEN WE START TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS IN THE PLAN, THEN IT BECOMES ALMOST A CAVEAT TO DEVELOPERS AND THE STAFFING OR THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S IN THE PLAN, SO IT'S OKAY TO DO THAT. AND I'M RELUCTANT TO SET THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT TODAY, THAT THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. THERE'S TOO MANY CHANGING THINGS GOING ON. AND ELEMENTS OF COMMERCIAL GROWTH, HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL GROWTH IS GOING TO GO ON UP HERE? OKAY. AND WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO TRAFFIC THROUGH HERE? I AGREE WE WANT BETTER RESTAURANTS. WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER FAST FOOD CHAIN. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THAT, BUT I WORRY ABOUT SAYING THE ANSWER TO THAT IS LET'S PUT MORE PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS. AND WE GOT PEOPLE HERE. WE CAN'T FILL A RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET. I'M SORRY.

I'M AND I'M NOT. I'M TIRED OF THE DENSITY. THERE'S OTHER PLACES TO PUT THAT TYPE OF RETAIL AS WELL. BEACH ROAD OUT THAT WAY FOR THE WORKERS. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT ALL UP AND DOWN. 62 A COUPLE THOUGHTS COME BACK TO THE MAIN POINT. WE DID LAY OUT JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T JUST DO THIS IN A VACUUM. I THINK I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE MORRIS ROAD AND THE GREEN SETBACK ON MORRIS ROAD. I THINK WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND PUTTING RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO 62. I THINK OUR THOUGHT WAS TO DO THAT KIND OF GREEN STEP BACK SERVICE ROAD. THEN THE RESIDENTIAL ROAD. SO YOU'D BE CREATING A PARK GREEN SPACE ALONG 62 FROM FIVE POINTS TO WHERE WE'RE AT, RED HERE WITH GREEN FRONTAGE. THAT COULD BE A PARK WITH RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE LAYING OUT. SO I'M GLAD WE DIDN'T. IT LOOKS BETTER IN MY MIND, BUT IT'S HARD TO I'M GOING TO GO THE TOTAL OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST SAID. I MEAN, WE JUST SPENT 15 MONTHS ASKING OUR RESIDENTS WHAT THEY WANTED AND PUTTING A BUNCH OF PROFESSIONALS IN THE ROOM WITH THEM AND HAVING THEM TELL US WHAT WOULD GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANTED. AND I THINK WE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO BE OVERLY DISMISSIVE OF THAT. I DO THINK, I MEAN, THERE IS PTSD IN THIS TO, TO QUOTE COUNCILMAN KISS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE WERE HERE ONCE BEFORE AND WE WERE MAKING SOME VERY SIMILAR SUGGESTIONS, AND PEOPLE WERE NOT HAPPY WITH US FOR IT. BUT I, I WORKED IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR 25 YEARS, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID TO PEOPLE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET RESTAURANTS IF YOU DON'T HAVE HEADS IN BEDS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH. YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE HUGE RURAL LOTS AND THEN EXPECT TO HAVE THE RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANTS, BECAUSE THE FIRST THING EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT PLACEMENT IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO THERE HAS TO BE A COUNTERBALANCE AS FAR AS FILLING A RESTAURANT IN DOWNTOWN NEW ALBANY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T GET BUSINESS. I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE LANDLORD IN THAT PARTICULAR RESTAURANT IN DOWNTOWN NEW ALBANY. AND I DO THINK THAT WHAT WE NEED IS TO FIGURE OUT THAT BALANCE THAT WE'VE WORKED SO HARD ON. AND DOES THIS, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME COMPROMISES TO THIS FOR US TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE? I'M SURE WE DO. IS THIS THE

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BUT I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WILL GET. WE COULD NOT ALLOW RETAIL, NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY. EVENTUALLY LAND USES AND EITHER SOME WILL TELL YOU YOU'RE DOING A TAKING OR I'LL JUST SIT THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND IT MAY BE OKAY WITH EVERYONE THAT IT SITS THERE. OKAY FOR A WHILE. I THINK THERE'LL BE NO INCENTIVE FOR TOWNSHIP LAND TO ANNEX INTO NEW ALBANY, AND I THINK WE'LL START DRIVING. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING WE ALL NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO START DRIVING TOWNSHIP DEVELOPMENT REGARDLESS ON 62. BUT WE SHOULD.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAW. I MEAN, ALL OF THIS FEEDBACK IS INCREDIBLE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND THERE'S STILL MEMBERS I THINK THAT HAVE SPEAKER SLIPS THAT WANT TO SPEAK. BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. RIGHT? THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS TOO BIG OF A OF A PLAN AND TOO BIG OF A STRATEGY TO JUST ADOPT IN ONE NIGHT. SO THE IDEA IS TO GET INPUT. WE'VE GOT GREAT INPUT FROM ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN TO THROUGH SO FAR.

THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS HERE. I THINK THAT GAVE OUR COLLECTIVE TEAM A LOT TO THINK ABOUT AND, AND TO DIGEST AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT DIALOG. RIGHT.

THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT A ONE NIGHT DECISION. RIGHT. THIS IS WE'RE MAKING A CHANGE TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. AND SO IT SHOULD BE THOUGHTFUL. I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER GOALS I WOULD ADD IN THERE, THOUGH, THAT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT, IS THAT I THINK COUNCILMAN DEREK BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT, WHICH IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF OUR BOUNDARIES. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO PROTECT OUR BOUNDARIES AND TO BE ABLE TO PUT A SOLID PLAN IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT THAT CREEP FROM HAPPENING TO US.

AND WE CAN WE CAN PROTECT WHAT HAPPENS ONCE YOU GO SOUTH INTO NEW ALBANY, RIGHT, OR AND FROM JOHNSTOWN AND FROM THAT AREA. SO I THINK THAT'S EQUALLY ONE OF THE GOALS WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS

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I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE RUSH ON IT, PER SE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND MAKING THIS TYPE OF A DECISION. BUT I DO WANT TO AT LEAST GET ON RECORD THAT THE TIME AND ENERGY THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE PUT INTO THIS, I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE, BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY PASSIONATE, THEY WERE VERY INVOLVED. I WOULD SAY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE 1 OR 2 PEOPLE, DEPENDING UPON THE SCHEDULE, WE HAD A FULL GROUP AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING. THEY WENT TO THE NIGHT MEETINGS AND VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME TO TALK TO OTHER RESIDENTS. SO FROM A FROM A STRATEGIC PERSPECTIVE, RESEARCH PERSPECTIVE AND INPUT, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD DOCUMENT. IT'S JUST NOW HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING A SENSE ON COUNCIL THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH IS LIKE GREAT DATA. WE LOVE IT. LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. YES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING THAT WE HAVE SOME STUFF ON 62. THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. WE'RE PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE ACTUAL SIZE OR NOT. BUT THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAD UP ON EASTON AND THE AMOUNT OF, I DON'T KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COMPARED TO ACRES THAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT, ALMOST LOOK PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME. SO WE'RE REALLY CONSIDERING A VERY LARGE SECTION OF NEW ALBANY THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PLAN OUT.

AND SO I RESPECT THE TIMELINE AND EVERYTHING THAT I'M I'M GETTING A SENSE, INCLUDING MYSELF, THAT WE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEFORE I'D OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL IS THINKING OR STAFF THAT OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO IT? I JUST WANT TO I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I WANT TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS, WHICH IS THAT I THINK THAT THE IMPORTANT, MOST IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS THAT THIS IS HUGE AND TRANSFORMATIVE AND SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE. AND I THINK ALL OF US NEED A LOT OF TIME TO DIGEST IT. I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A LOT MORE QUESTIONS, AND THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKELY TO BE TWEAKING, IF AGAIN, AND I'M NOT SAYING IF THAT THIS SHOULD BE OUR PLAN, BUT THERE'S A LONG WAY BETWEEN HERE AND US FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BEING THE PLAN. BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO HONOR THE PROCESS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO FIND WHAT THESE PEOPLE WE ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS, WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US THEY WANT. YEAH, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS. AND YEAH, HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO REFINE AND GET EVERYONE ON BOARD WITH THIS. BUT I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A COUPLE THINGS. PLANNING COMMISSION. WE WENT TO ROCKY FORK AND CONCORD PANEL. THE ARB AS WELL AS PLANNING COMMISSION.

PLANNING COMMISSION DID HAVE A COUPLE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THEY DID APPROVE IT FOR THEY RECOMMENDED IT FOR APPROVAL. BUT WE DID MAKE A COUPLE OR WE ARE WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE CHANGES BASED ON PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONDITIONS. ONE OF THE BIG ONES

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AND I GUESS ONE THING, STAFF DID A GREAT JOB. I THINK WE WERE CLOSE TO DONE WITH THIS DRAFT PROBABLY 2 OR 3 MONTHS AGO, BUT WE WERE PUNTING, SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS COMPLEX. IF WE DO THIS GATEWAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A PRETTY DEEP DIVE INTO ALL THE STANDARDS, THE LAYOUTS, THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND YOUR FRONTLINE STAFF ARE LIKE, IF COUNCIL ADOPTS THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. SO YOU GOT TO PROVIDE SOME MORE DETAIL. SO THAT'S WHAT LED US KIND OF THIS NEXT LEVEL OF DETAIL. BUT IT ALSO LED US TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF DISCOMFORT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS. WE STARTED TO GET INTO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, AND THAT'S GOT INTO THE DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT AND HOW TO MAKE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN, WHICH IS SOMETHING I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEND MORE TIME ON. BUT WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO PROTECT YOUR TEAM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN RESPOND TO. WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THEIR OFFICE, BUT REALLY APPRECIATIVE COMMENTS AND VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS. AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COMMENT ON THE HAMLET, THE FIRST HAMLET PLAN THAT CAME TO US WAS NOT GREAT. WE BEAT IT UP. WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT, AND WE LISTENED TO THEM AND VOTED NO, WENT BACK, MODIFIED THE STRATEGIC PLAN WITH NEW GUARDRAILS, CAME BACK. IT'S A MUCH BETTER PLAN. I THINK WHEN THE HAMLET IS COMPLETE, IT'S GOING TO BE A FANTASTIC PROJECT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IT WAS A PROCESS TO GET THERE. IT WAS NOT CLEAN, BUT I THINK WE LEARNED A LOT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE WE KIND OF WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT. SO I DON'T WANT MY COMMENTS TONIGHT BE MISCONSTRUED. AS YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE AREN'T INTERESTED IN, BUT I THINK IT CAN BE BETTER. AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO KIND OF MOLD THE PLAN. AND I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER THAT ALWAYS GETS THROWN OUT IS, YOU KNOW, STUDENTS, STUDENTS. I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE ADDING STUDENTS TO THE SCHOOLS AS A SHIELD. POPULATIONS POPULATION, WHETHER THEY HAVE KIDS IN THE DISTRICT OR NOT, THEY'RE STILL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE AROUND 4000 APPROVED HOUSING PROJECTS TODAY. AND WE'RE A POPULATION OF 11 SEVEN.

SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DELTA FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH WHAT'S ALREADY APPROVED TODAY, THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY SAY OVER DOING ANYTHING. THESE PROJECTS ARE IN THE WORKS. SO I'M NOT SAYING THIS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO YEARS. THOSE ARE YOU KNOW, THOSE TIMELINES ARE LONGER, BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT ADDING STUDENTS, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE CAN ADD RESIDENTIAL. YOU KNOW, FOLKS, I THINK IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT MORE HOLISTICALLY. BUT THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT WE LOVE THE QUAINTNESS AND HOW IT FEELS. AND WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT. AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE 25,005 YEARS FROM NOW IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD. AND, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THIS IS GOING TO ADD SIGNIFICANT POPULATION, WHETHER IT HURTS THE SCHOOLS OR NOT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THAT WE TRY TO DO AS A COUNCIL IS PROTECT OUR SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW VALUABLE THEY ARE. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR ONLY METRIC. WHEN WE LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL UNITS. YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT FOR ME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON CITY SERVICES. AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR PUTTING THAT IN CONTEXT OF THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, HASN'T CROSSED. A LOT OF THAT HASN'T CROSSED US SINCE THE 90S, RIGHT. THESE ARE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY PLANNED FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN CONTEXT. HEY ONE THING I WOULD ASK IF WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THE SUGGESTION OF KITZMILLER, PER PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE THAT SECTION SOMEHOW AT FIVE POINT, I MEAN,

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WE HAD THREE MEMBERS FROM THE TIDEWATER NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE. AND YET ALL OF THIS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, HAYNES CREEK, WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE STUDY ITSELF, EVEN THOUGH FIVE POINTS AND TIDEWATER PARK WERE ADDED LATER ON TO THE DRAFT. BUT YOU WOULD BE VOTING ON TONIGHT. YES, THE TIDEWATER NEIGHBORHOOD IS OUTSIDE, AS WELL AS HAYNES CREEK AND NOT INCLUDED IN THE STUDY. HOWEVER, BOTH FIVE POINTS AND TIDEWATER PARK ARE. AND THE IMPACT OF THE TRAFFIC AND WHAT'S THERE IS A HUGE POINT FOR US AS NEIGHBORS. SO IT ALSO DIRECTLY IMPACTS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT ONLY IN REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW, BUT ALSO ACCESS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES. I BELIEVE STOPPING AT THE INTERSECTION OF CENTRAL COLLEGE AND KITZMILLER MEANS THAT WE'RE JUST MISSING THE BIG PICTURE OF THE IMPACT OF THAT INTERSECTION ON TIDEWATER HAYNES CREEK, INTEL TRAFFIC, AND A AND F SINCE THEY'RE NOW USING CENTRAL COLLEGES AND MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT, WHICH WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OVERFLOW. BUT TIME HAS GONE ON. SO. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHY WERE CERTAIN AREAS ADDED TO THE US 62 STUDY AND OTHERS LEFT OUT LIKE US? BUT I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO KEEP MOVING ALONG. SO MY NEXT ONE IS REALLY TO FOCUS ON TIDEWATER PARK. SO THE TIDEWATER PARK DEVELOPMENT, WHILE ADDITIONAL PARK SPACE IS VERY WELCOME SINCE WE HAVE NONE NEAR US, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THE ANIMALS THAT LIVE THERE AND MORE NOISE POLLUTION FROM THE TREE REMOVAL. IN THE PLAN, IT'S WRITTEN THAT THERE WILL BE A SMALL PARKING LOT TO PROVIDE VEHICLE ACCESS. IN ADDITION, LEISURE TRAILS, BOARDWALKS, MOWN TURF PATHS THROUGHOUT THE PARK. BASED ON THE CONCEPT, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS PROPOSING MOVING MORE THAN HALF OF THE TREE CANOPY THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. THAT WOULD BE THAT FIRST PICTURE FOR YOU. THOSE TREES ARE CURRENTLY NOT ONLY A ROAD BUFFER FOR THE TIDEWATER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE HIGH LEVELS OF TRAFFIC NOISE THAT COME FROM 62, INCLUDING ENGINE BRAKING FROM ALL THE SEMIS. I URGE YOU TO PRIORITIZE PRESERVING THAT EXISTING TREE CANOPY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST QUESTION. WHAT CAN WE DO TO MINIMIZE SIGNIFICANT TREE REMOVAL? IS THAT THAT PAGE THAT IS THAT PAGE. CORRECT. SO ON THAT PAGE, WHAT I DID IN THE HANDOUT, THE RED OVAL HIGHLIGHTS THE AREA CURRENTLY WITH THE TREE COVERAGE AS WELL AS NEXT TO IT IS FROM THE PLAN THE PROPOSED PARK. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL DIAGRAM THAT THAT AREA WOULD ACTUALLY ALL BE MOWN. IS THAT THE CASE? THAT'S FROM PARKS. YOU JUST COPIED THE. OKAY, COME ON UP, CHRIS. WE JUST COPIED THE CONCEPT OF THE PARKS PLAN. SO IT'S JUST THE CONCEPT THAT WAS IN THE SEPARATE PARKS. OKAY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE WE IN CENTRAL COLLEGE I'M CONFUSED. YEAH. ON THE RIGHT SIDE. ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PIECE OUT OF THE DRAFT PLAN. ON THE LEFT SIDE IS A COPY OF GOOGLE MAPS, AND IT BASICALLY IS SHOWING A LIVE VIEW FROM OVERHEAD OF THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT.

SO THE TIDEWATER NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO THE RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSES THERE. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS JUST A CUT AND PASTE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING. I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WHEN WE MAKE A PARK IS TO DISTURB THE NATURAL AREAS AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, AND IT WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO KEEP THE TREE CANOPY THE WAY IT IS AT A PARK LIKE THIS. SO I WOULD I DON'T KNOW IF I'D GO SO FAR AS TO SAY DISREGARD THAT CONCEPTUAL DIAGRAM, BUT IF THAT PARK DOES COME TO FRUITION, IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY DESIGNED FROM SCRATCH AND USING THE NATURAL FEATURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE. THAT IS NOT OUR M.O. IS TO JUST CLEAR CUT TREES AND THROW A PATH IN. IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE, AND I'D LIKE INPUT FROM TIDEWATER TO IN THE DESIGN.

I MEAN, IT'S SITTING RIGHT THERE. SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THAT. AND I WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION FOR THAT. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. NEXT ONE KITZMILLER CLOSURE, WHICH

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THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO ROADS THAT GET TO TIDEWATER WITH TWO LANES EACH, SO IF YOU CLOSE KITZMILLER, THAT WOULD LEAVE ONE TWO LANE ROAD THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A HIGH CONGESTION AREA FOR RESIDENTS AND TIDEWATER AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, KITZMILLER IS A VITAL THOROUGHFARE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE HEAVY TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND CONGESTION ALREADY PRESENT ON 62. REROUTING OR LIMITING ACCESS TO KITZMILLER WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT OUR DAILY TRAVEL. ACCESS TO SERVICES LIKE POLICE AND FIRE, AND PUSH MORE TRAFFIC ONTO ALREADY STRESSED ROUTES. THIS ALSO GOES AGAINST THE ACTUAL ROUTE 62 PLAN THAT MENTIONS, QUOTE, STREET NETWORKS SHOULD PROVIDE MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS TO MITIGATE CONGESTION AT ENTRANCES OR KEY INTERSECTIONS. ON PAGE 83. SO THE THIRD PAGE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS AGAIN, MY MOCK UP TAKING GOOGLE MAPS CURRENT TODAY. AND THE PLAN FROM THE KITZMILLER SCENIC PARKWAY AND GIVING AN APPROXIMATE OF WHERE THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT GO. AND MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I DID THIS, YOU CAN SEE GOOGLE IS ALREADY SAYING THAT WHERE THAT WOULD COME OUT AND THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, IT ALREADY WOULD BE. IT'S ALREADY CONGESTED. SO IT'S PUTTING IT INTO ANOTHER CONGESTED AREA. WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? PAGES FOUR AND FIVE GIVE YOU COPIES OF GOOGLE MAPS THAT BASICALLY SHOW HOW TO GET FROM BOTH THE NEW ALBANY FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MY HOUSE, AS WELL AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MY HOUSE. AND WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING IS ON BOTH OF THOSE REPORTS, GOOGLE WAS RECOMMENDING TO ACTUALLY USE KITZMILLER BECAUSE ROUTE 62 WAS TOO CONGESTED. AND THIS IS JUST AT A 430 ON THE AFTERNOON. SO MY QUESTIONS ACTUALLY WOULD BE MORE FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT RELATED, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY'S HERE. BUT ACCORDING TO THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN AND SOC SUMMARY, THE STANDARDS ARE COVERED. HAVE A GOAL OF A SIX MINUTE TRAVEL TIME. WOULD CLOSING KITZMILLER INCREASE OR DECREASE THE TRAVEL TIME TO TIDEWATER? SO I KNOW THAT ANYONE COULD ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT. I GUESS BECAUSE IT WOULD. THE MAPPING THAT YOU USE DOESN'T REALLY CONTEMPLATE THE NEW SCENIC PARKWAY AND HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WOULD BE TO YOU ARE GOING TO BYPASS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING WHATEVER'S DEVELOPED EXISTING ON JOHNSTOWN ROAD WITH WHERE THAT WOULD DUMP OUT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO

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YEAH. I MEAN, IT COULD REALLY WHAT IT WAS. THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLAN WAS JUST KIND OF FIRST PASS AT HOW TO DO A ROUNDABOUT EFFECTIVELY AT THE FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SOFTENING THE LANGUAGE TO JUST SAY THAT IT REALLY JUST NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE STUDIED. THERE'S REALLY GETTING AT YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT GO INTO IT AND REMIND ME, JOE, AS OF NOW, DOES OUR JURISDICTION END PRIOR TO HITTING CENTRAL COLLEGE ON KITZMILLER? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT PART OF THE INTERSECTION. SO ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION, EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION, WE HAVE BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION. SO HALF OF THE INTERSECTION IS OUTSIDE OF NEW ALBANY, OKAY. AND THAT IS IN THE TOWNSHIP. YES. OKAY. I GUESS JUST THE SECOND PART TO THAT TO I GUESS JUST TO BE ON RECORD. SO ESPECIALLY RELATED TO FIRE IS TIDEWATER CONSIDERED TRAVEL TIME AND URBAN BENCHMARK OF FOUR MINUTES AND 39 SECONDS OR RURAL BENCHMARK OF SEVEN MINUTES AND FOUR SECONDS? HOW WOULD THAT BE IMPACTED BY CUTTING OFF KITZMILLER? SO I MEAN OBVIOUSLY AFFECTS INSURANCE RATES. IT AFFECTS AFFECTS EVERYTHING. I HAD A NEIGHBOR A YEAR AGO THAT DIED OF A STROKE. SO HAVING THE ABILITY TO GET EMERGENCY SERVICES TO US IS CRITICAL. AND I I'M NOT A FIREFIGHTER. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY DO IT. I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, THEY ARE ABLE TO TAKE MEASURES TO GET TO YOU FASTER THAN LIKE A CAR WOULD BE ABLE TO. SO JUST SO YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY'S COMING TO YOUR HOUSE SO YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NOT THEY'RE NOT STOPPING THOSE LIGHTS ON JOHNSTOWN. THEY'RE NOT STOPPING AT THOSE LIGHTS ON JOHNSTOWN. THEY'RE GOING TO. BUT IF WE CLOSE KITZMILLER CURRENTLY THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW, 62 BEFORE YOU GET TO CENTRAL COLLEGE, TWO LANES AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AROUND THAT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. I JUST WANTED YOU TO I THINK THAT COMPARING AGAIN COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES, LIKE COMPARING A CAR TRAVEL SPEED, ISN'T THE SAME AS COMPARING A FIRE TRUCK TRAVEL SPEED. OKAY. I WAS ALSO ASKED BY SOME TIDEWATER NEIGHBORS TO READ THEIR COMMENTS SINCE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT. SARAH WAS ACTUALLY HERE. SHE HAD TO GO.

SARAH SARAH CHATTERJEE SAID 5335 ALDIE MILL. AND SHE ASKED ME TO SAY THAT WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF 62. WE DO NOT FEEL THAT TIDEWATER HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN CUTTING OFF ACCESS TO KITZMILLER. WE ALREADY FACE ISSUES WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW FROM A&P AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION COMING FROM BEACH ROAD. WE ARE ABLE TO USE KITZMILLER TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY HAVE MORE SCENIC ROAD HOME, BUT ALSO TO GET HOME IN A TIMELY MANNER. THIS IS ALSO CRITICAL FOR OUR FAMILIES. WE HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD IN OUR FAMILY AND WAITING LONG PERIODS IN TRAFFIC IS VERY FRUSTRATING FOR HER. CAN CAUSE ISSUES FOR HER. I DON'T SEE HOW THIS PROPOSAL IS FEASIBLE UNLESS THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION OF ROUTE 62 INTO A FOUR LANE ROAD AT MINIMUM. IF THIS FEELS LIKE THE PROPOSAL IS NOT ADDRESSING, IT FEELS LIKE THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC FLOW FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. INSTEAD, IT'S MAKING IT WORSE. THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE THOROUGH PLANNING PROCESS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THESE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS TONIGHT. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE AS THE PLAN MOVES TOWARDS IMPLEMENTATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PREPARATION AND INFORMATION, JIM. CAN I GET A FOLLOW THAT? IT'S GOOD TO SEE KEEPING IN THE FAMILY HERE. MY NAME IS JIM. I LIVE AT 9175 LEE HALL COURT WITH MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE. A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT. I WAS GOING TO START WITH THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY MOTTO, WHICH COMMUNITY CONNECTS US? THERE'S A REASON THAT WE MOVED FROM POWELL, OHIO TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A PLAN. YOU CAN SEE BY EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND THROUGH THIS THAT THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBOR, AND WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE SUPPORT IT. I VOTED FOR THE LEVY BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO BUILD IT. WHEN I UNDERSTOOD BETTER THAT A TOWN HALL MEETING LAST YEAR ABOUT HOW THE CITY GAINS ITS REVENUE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING AND MAINTAINING A SCHOOL, THAT'S IMPORTANT. YES, WE WANT RESTAURANTS. YES, WE WANT THAT. I USE BRIDGE PARK IN DUBLIN AS

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THERE ARE, I THINK, 3 OR 4 STILL PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS ON CENTRAL COLLEGE, SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO SELL. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT? BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO MORE, I WOULD ASSUME, HOUSING. I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD BE, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. SO THE IMPACT ON THAT OF CLOSING KITZMILLER, IF ANYONE'S BEEN IN THAT TRAFFIC THAT LIVES IN NEW ALBANY, LINKS ARE IN TIDEWATER OR EVEN COMING SOUTH ON 62 RUSH HOUR OR GOING NORTH, YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THAT TRAFFIC WILL BACK UP NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE COMING SOUTH, OR ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO SMITHVILLE GOING NORTH. AND SO TO YOUR POINT, AND I THINK, MR. DEREK, YOU SAID THAT EARLY THAT THE 62 AND THE ODOT PLAN REALLY NEEDS TO COME TO FRUITION BEFORE WE START PUTTING MORE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY AT THAT INTERSECTION. THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE TALKING WITH, WITH OUR FRIENDS AND SO ON ARE REALLY TWO ONE, THERE IS NO GREEN SPACE EAST IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THERE. AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOUTH ON KITZMILLER AND THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT, THERE WOULD BE GREEN SPACE DOWN THERE, BUT THE ISSUE WOULD BE IF YOU CLOSE THAT OFF OR WE CAN'T FIND A RESOLUTION FOR THERE, WE'D HAVE TO CROSS A PRETTY BUSY ROAD TO GET THERE. AND THEN THE OTHER CONCERN IS NOTED IS ESPECIALLY WITH THE EMERGENCY SERVICES, I GET IT THAT THEY COULD GO THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, GET THROUGH THE TRAFFIC. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IS, IS THAT KITZMILLER ROAD GOING SOUTHBOUND RIGHT THERE AT FIVE POINTS HAS BECOME NOW A VERY VIABLE THOROUGHFARE TO GET PEOPLE INTO THE CITY, BUT ALSO TO GET THEM AROUND THE CITY IF THEY DON'T DECIDE NOT TO GO THERE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT I UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS AN ACCIDENT AT AN INTERSECTION, AND I STOOD IN THE LITTLE BERM THERE ON THE ON THE AND SAW AT 630 IN THE MORNING HOW MUCH TRAFFIC GOES DOWN THERE. IT'S ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH, IT'S THE PEOPLE GOING TO INTOWN, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET INCREASED WITH WHAT THE PLANS ARE. MY WIFE AND I, WE SUPPORT THE PLAN. WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE CONCERN IS, AS WE ALL KNOW, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR COMING TO THE PUBLIC FORUM, AND THERE WERE 100 DOTS ON THAT BOARD THAT SHOWED CENTRAL COLLEGE AND STATE ROAD 62. 90 OF THEM SAID, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PAIN POINT. SO THAT'S THE ASK. I WE DON'T FEEL I WAS GOING TO SAY WE FELT DISCONNECTED. IF STATE REP OR KITZMILLER WAS CLOSED.

BUT WE DO FEEL CONNECTED AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SMART PLAN FOR ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THANKS, JIM. ALL RIGHT.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO. TRICIA, DO YOU WANT TO YOU HAD SOMETHING I'LL LET YOU KIND OF STEP UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THANK YOU. TRICIA SEGNINI 7267 MULLINS DRIVE. I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT FOR NEW ALBANY LINKS. THIS SEEMS REALLY LOUD. I CAN I CAN PULL IT OFF. THANK YOU. SO I AM NOT AS PREPARED AS SAM. SHE'S AMAZING. SHE'S LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S FANTASTIC. I LOVE ALL HER DATA. AND I ALSO USE KITZMILLER LIKE OFTEN. I LIVE IN NEW ALBANY LINKS, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES THAT. I ZIP RIGHT UP THERE AND OVER TO AVOID ALL OF THE CRAZY. SO I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT CUT OFF. SO FOR MANY REASONS. SO MY COMMENTS ARE A LITTLE MORE. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS AND I ALSO HAVE NONA PTSD AND IT WAS 22 MONTHS, NOT 15. I COUNTED, BUT I DO HAVE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS THAT I LOVE WHERE THIS IS GOING AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL HEARD AND IT DOES MATTER. LIKE THIS IS A MAJOR GATEWAY INTO NEW ALBANY, RIGHT? LIKE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HAVE SOMEONE COME DOWN 62 AND FEEL LIKE, OH WOW, WE'RE IN A WE'VE ENTERED NEW ALBANY. IT SHOULD FEEL THAT WAY, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT A TIRE CENTER. THAT'S NOT A YOU KNOW, I GET IT. 62 IS A POPULAR PLACE. I'VE USED THE TIRE CENTER. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. RIGHT. IT'S NICE TO HAVE THEM THERE. RIGHT. BUT YOU HAD

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AND SOMEWHERE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, IT BECAME IT BECAME THE DENSITY WAS APPLIED TO ALL OF THE AREA. RIGHT. SO THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY DECIDED TOGETHER. BUT SOMEHOW THE DENSITY BECAME FOR THE WHOLE SPACE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS 543 ACRES, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT HOW MANY ACRES IS ACTUALLY UNDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT WOULD THAT DENSITY BE? RIGHT. SO DON'T PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO THE MATH THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN PER ACRE, IT SHOULD NOT BE MORE THAN WINDSOR. RIGHT? SO WE DO WANT IT TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE. WE DO WANT IT TO BE A SOFT TRANSITION BETWEEN 1 TO 1 ACREAGE OVER TO 62. RIGHT. SO WE DO WANT THAT SOFT TRANSITION. BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO GENERIC THAT IT'S UP FOR INTERPRETATION BY ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. RIGHT. SO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT MEANS TO YOU. I DO VERY MUCH WORRY ABOUT PARKING.

JUST WAS IT LAST MONDAY OR TUESDAY? IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY? I WAS DRIVING MY DAUGHTER SOMEWHERE AND THERE'S A HUGE BANNER. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU DON'T LIVE OVER THERE. MAYBE ONE, BUT THERE'S A HUGE BANNER IN FRONT OF BROADWAY BOUND, AND THEY PASTE THIS BANNER UP THERE, AND IT'S FOR OVERFLOW PARKING FROM BLUE AGAVE AND THE DAYCARE AND ALL THAT STUFF. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING NOW FOR THAT STRIP MALL. SO IT WORRIES ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THINGS LIKE IT WOULD VERY, VERY MUCH FOCUS ON WHAT THE PARKING SITUATION IS AND BE

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WHAT PEOPLE ASKED FOR WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN GREEN SPACE, SO WE WEREN'T GIVEN THAT OPTION. SO THE LESSER OF THE EVILS BETWEEN THAT, BETWEEN MORE DRIVE THRUS, RIGHT, AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND NOT DOING ANYTHING LIKE THE LESSER OF THE EVILS, WAS DOING THE SLOW TRANSITION WITH SOME OF THIS MIXED USE. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT. AND I FEEL LIKE ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT SCHOOL DISTRICT IMPACT RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF NOT READING THE ROOM. RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'VE WE'VE BATTLED THAT. I THINK SAWYERS HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB AT LOOKING AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW TO COMBAT THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING THE SCHOOL BUILDING AND PASSING THE LEVIES AND ALL THAT. SO I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK SCHOOL CAPACITY IS NECESSARILY THE HOT BUTTON. I THINK IT'S MORE PARKING RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK IT'S MORE TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COMES WITH ALL OF THAT. BUT I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS WILL BE THE REALLY THE DRIVERS IN THIS AREA. SO I HAVE A BIG LONG LIST OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHAT WITH ME LATER. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP UP, TAKE UP ALL OF YOUR TIME, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST THANK YOU FOR TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. THERE DO NEED TO BE. THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF PARAMETERS IN PLACE. BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A LITTLE TOO BIG, AND WE HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. SO THANK YOU. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, TRICIA? BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT THIS DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT WHAT YOU THINK CAME OUT OF THESE MEETINGS. SO I WANT TO CLARIFY, I'M HEARING THAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT THEY WANTED MORE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS AND ARE WILLING TO HAVE DENSITY TO HAVE THAT. IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU HEARD IN THESE MEETINGS? BECAUSE I WASN'T AT THESE MEETINGS. SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT. YEAH, WE WERE ONLY GIVEN A CERTAIN WE WERE GIVEN A MAP AND WE WERE GIVEN A CERTAIN NUMBER. IT'S LIKE LEGOS, RIGHT. SO YOU WERE GIVEN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THIS AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THAT AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THIS AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THAT, AND WE HAD TO PUT THEM WHERE WE FELT LIKE THEY WOULD BELONG. SO NATURALLY, WE PUT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CLOSER TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN WE BUILT THE HIGHER AND HIGHER DENSITY THINGS LIKE AWAY FROM US. SO YES. SO THAT CAME OUT OF IT. WE DIDN'T HAVE 350 SINGLE FAMILY HOME BLOCKS, BUT WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MIX AND TO ANSWER JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT TO BEHIND THAT. THE REASON FOR THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TOWNHOMES, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL WAS BASED ON WHEN WE WERE LOOKING. IF YOU WANT TO PROJECT OUT, THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT YOU WOULD NEED BASED ON POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL RETAIL. GET THE RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING. SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE 500 HOMES IN THERE THAT WON'T SUPPORT THAT PIVOT POINT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT. NOW, IF WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANT TO PIVOT POINT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING. BUT FOR THE IF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT FOR THIS EXERCISE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT IS IF WE TAKE THE 89% FEEDBACK ON THAT'S THEY WANT MORE RESTAURANTS COMBINED WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER THINGS, THEY SAID THAT THIS IS THE DENSITY RATIO OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO PUT IN THIS SECTION OR THAT SECTION. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I GUESS BUT I'M BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THE DISCUSSION THAT PEOPLE IN THESE ROOMS KNEW THAT THAT WAS THE GIVE AND TAKE THAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING. AND SO WE HAD A WE HAD A FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THERE WERE THREE GROUPS DOING THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I THINK THOSE THINGS WERE PUT TOGETHER THAT WE DIDN'T ALL COME TO ONE CONCLUSION, I THINK. I THINK THERE WAS IF I COULD HELP A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. THANK YOU. PART OF AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE MEETING AS WELL AND BRUCE WAS THERE. I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE THE, THE REALITY IS THAT THE VERY TOP WISH OF EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, I THINK WAS FOR NOTHING TO DEVELOP, FOR THAT TO BE OPEN SPACE AND PARK SPACE AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THE FOCUS AREA TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TO NOT HAVE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE WERE MOVING FROM KIND OF THAT EXTREME. AND ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THOUGH, TRICIA, ALSO TO YOUR POINT, AND I THINK

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WHAT HOW CAN WE DO IT BETTER? RIGHT. AND SO SEND US ON SOME. YOU GUYS DID SEND US ON SOME FIELD TRIPS. SO WE WENT TO BRIDGE PARK. WE WENT TO GRANDVILLE. WE WENT TO EVANS.

EVANS FARM WAS PROBABLY THE ONE WE LIKED THE MOST AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT THE FEEL LIKE, WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD WE WANT HERE AND WHAT WOULD DON'T WE WANT HERE. SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD EXERCISE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOU IT'S MORE OF A LIST OF WHAT YOU DON'T WANT VERSUS A LIST OF WHAT YOU WANT. SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY LIKE OH WE WANT RETAIL AND WE WANT RESTAURANTS, BUT THEY BUT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T WANT. LIKE I JUST HAD I HAD A BOARD MEETING LIKE RIGHT BEFORE I CAME HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I ASKED THEM, I SAID HE WAS LIKE, NO MORE DRIVE THRUS. AND WE WANT LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANOTHER CAMERON MITCHELL OR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. I KNOW WE CAN'T. I KNOW WE CAN'T DICTATE WHAT GOES THERE FOR THE MOST PART. BUT WE CAN CONTROL THE QUALITY OF WHAT GOES THERE. AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PULL A LITTLETON'S MARKET? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PULL IN A TRADER JOE'S? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PULL IN LIKE A SEASONS 52 OR A LIKE, OR A FIREBIRDS OR SOME OF THESE SMALLER EVEN LIKE A GHOST RIDER, RIGHT. LIKE, WHAT DO WE DOING TO ENCOURAGE AND INCENTIVIZE THOSE FOLKS TO LIKE, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR. LIKE WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR. SO. RIGHT. SO GOING BACK TO I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND BEFORE THAT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD WE WANT MORE RESTAURANTS, WE WANT MORE RETAIL, BUT WE DON'T WANT MORE PEOPLE LIVING HERE. AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID, THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. WE CAN GET SOME MORE RESTAURANTS AND SOME MORE RETAIL, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A LOT MORE IF YOU DON'T HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIVING HERE. IF WE'RE OKAY WITH NOT HAVING MORE RESTAURANTS AND MORE RETAIL, BECAUSE THAT MEANS TOO MUCH DENSITY, THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO HEAR. WHAT I NEED TO HEAR IS, DO WE WANT TO BE MORE OF A BEDROOM TOWN, OR DO WE WANT TO BE MORE OF A COMMERCIALLY VITAL RETAIL RESTAURANT TOWN, OR DO WE WANT TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE AS BEST AS WE CAN? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AT THESE MEETINGS CAME TO SAY ABOUT THIS AREA, THAT THEY ARE IMPACTED BY THE MOST, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WHEN WE STARTED WITH WHAT WAS USED TO BE CALLED KNOWN AND WHAT WAS THE HAMILTON IN MY MIND, YES, IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT PLAN RIGHT AWAY, BUT I FELT IT HAD A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE IN TERMS OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME, SOME, SOME. WHAT'S MY WORD THAT I'M LOSING NOW? DENSITY IN A SMALL AREA? NOT THAT SMALL, BUT SMALL ENOUGH AREA WHERE WE IT WOULD REALLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON SOME RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS THAT EVERYBODY WAS BEGGING ME FOR. RIGHT THEN.

I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR PEOPLE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT. SO THIS VERY GROUP, NOW I'M ASKING WHAT WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO US? IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE LESS DENSITY, OR IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE MORE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS? I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO DRIVE THRUS AND NO MORE TIRE PL THAT I THAT I HEAR, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I GET WE'RE NOT AGAINST HOUSING. OKAY, SO THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE AT PLANNING COMMISSION THAT I DIDN'T APPRECIATE SOMETHING ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO HOUSING. AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE WE'RE FINE WITH HOUSING, RIGHT? NOBODY'S FIGHTING ALL DEMOS. RIGHT? RIGHT. THERE'S NINE HOMES, BEAUTIFUL HOMES GOING ON, NINE ACRES. BUT I THINK WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE EXPERTS, I THINK WHAT

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PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT, BUT I DON'T THINK ONE HOUSE PER ACRE IS GOING TO GET A LOT MORE OF NICER RESTAURANTS, SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, FAMILY RESTAURANTS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT WILL. WE'LL GET SOME BUT BUT IT BUT WHAT? SO WHAT I'M ASKING AGAIN IS, IS THAT OKAY. AND MAYBE THAT IS OKAY. MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE. BUT BUT I'M WALKING AWAY FROM THE INITIAL REVIEW OF THIS REPORT. I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING THE EXACT OPPOSITE. NO, THAT'S NOT OKAY. LET'S GO FOR IT. AND LET'S I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL ATTITUDE HAS CHANGED THAT, THAT THE ATTITUDE DURING THE HAMLET, WHEN WE HAD 12 UNITS PER ACRE AND NOW WE'RE AT FIVE UNITS PER ACRE, I WOULD THINK THAT ATTITUDE REALLY HASN'T CHANGED, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE OVERALL ACREAGE OF THIS AS 500 ACRES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS IN PURPLE, BUT THE SUGGESTION IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE IN THE PURPLE SECTION. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE ATTITUDE HAS NOT CHANGED THAT THAT THAT THAT KIND OF DENSITY WOULD NOT BE FAVORED BY MOST PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T AND I HEAR YOU. YEAH. BUT I WOULD ALSO NOT DISCOUNT THE 600 HOMES IN NEW ALBANY LINKS AND THE 8090 HOMES IN UPPER CLARENDON WAS 80 OR 90. AND UPPER AND WENTWORTH. RIGHT. AND YOU HAVE THE ENCLAVE AND YOU HAVE I MEAN, YOU HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT 2000 HOMES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO BUILD. SO I WOULD NOT WE DON'T NEED TEN HOMES AN ACRE. WE DON'T NEED SEVEN HOMES AN ACRE. DO WE NEED FIVE? YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, YOU KNOW, THREE MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAGIC ANSWER IS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT FIVE OR 7 OR 10. RIGHT. SO I'M NOT SAYING NOBODY'S SAYING NO HOUSING, RIGHT. WE'RE JUST SAYING BE SMART ABOUT IT AND BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOUR DENSITY ASK AND REQUIREMENTS ARE. YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT IT APPLIES TO. DOES IT APPLY IF IT APPLIES TO ALL 543 ACRES? WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S ONLY LIKE 250 ACRES LEFT, SO THAT DOUBLES IT, RIGHT. SO JUST BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW YOU APPROACH THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE SPECIFICITY IN US HAVING TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WITH THE DEFINITION AND EVERYTHING. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT. AND LISTEN, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ROOM THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR RETAIL OR AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY AREAS THAT ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

BUT I DO THINK WE'RE HEARING HERE FROM AND CHRIS IS AGAIN NODDING HIS HEAD, THAT IF WE GO TOO LOW, THEN YOU WILL LOSE THINGS, WHICH IS THE SAME ARGUMENT WE HAD WITH EVERY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WE'VE DONE. AND SO I GUESS I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS GROUP HAS TOLD US THERE. HOW HOW HIGH ARE THEY WILLING TO GO FOR MORE, OR HOW LOW DO THEY WANT TO STAY AND TAKE AND TAKE THE RISK LIKE WE DON'T WE DON'T. THERE'S A RISK. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT THRESHOLD IS. AND CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IF WE DO NOTHING? AND I THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE PART OF THE PRESENTATION BEFORE, IF, IF YOU YOU DON'T WANT POPEYES, YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU DON'T WANT I'M SORRY. SORRY. TELL ME A FAVOR. BUT LOVE, YOU DEFINITELY DON'T NEED A MORE OIL CHANGE. IT DON'T NEED ANY MORE. ACCORDING TO MY CREDIT CARD, MY SON LOVES IT.

BUT IF WE DO NOTHING RIGHT, IF WE JUST KEEP STATUS QUO, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT'S ALL WE GET, RIGHT? AND THAT, I THINK, IS THE CONCERN. SO DURING THE DEBATE, WE HAD ANOTHER HAMLET THAT WAS IN THE FIVE POINT SECTION THAT AS A RESULT OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO NONA, WE TOOK THAT OTHER HAMLET OFF BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ROOM FOR IT. AND WE JUST KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, DENSITY UP THERE WAS A CONCERN. AND MAYBE WE JUST STICK WITH THE ONE HAMLET. NOW SINCE THAT TIME, THE, THE, THE DYNAMICS OF OUR CITY HAVE CERTAINLY CHANGED WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING. SO THERE'S A NEW REALITY THAT WE NEED MORE DEVELOPMENT, MORE DENSITY TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S AGAIN, IT'S HOW DO WE GET SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THAT DENSITY LOOKS LIKE. AND THE ARCHITECTURE REQUIREMENTS AROUND IT TO LIKE, AGAIN, DO WE REALLY NEED ALL THAT PURPLE AREA AT SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE, OR IS THERE SOMETHING BETTER THAT CAN YOU KNOW, WE CAN. WHEN I SAW THOSE COLORS, I WAS IT LOOKED VERY VAGUE, LIKE IT LOOKED LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS LIKE THREE LITTLE BLOCKS OF YELLOW AND ANYTHING ELSE COULD BE PURPLE. SO THAT WORRIED ME A LITTLE BIT. SO MY, MY POINT IS JUST BEING MORE SPECIFIC. LIKE THINK ABOUT WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT THERE AND WHAT DON'T WE WANT THERE. AND JUST BEING VERY SPECIFIC WHEN WE DO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BE VERY SPECIFIC

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AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY FOR US TO SAY WE DON'T WANT DENSITY, BUT WE DO WANT RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL. IT'S JUST LIKE I'M ALWAYS SAYING TO PEOPLE, I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT WALKABILITY, BUT YOU ALSO WANT PARKING. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT BIG PARKING LOT IN THE MIDDLE, IT MAKES IT NOT WALKABLE. SO YOU HAVE TO FIND COMPROMISES TO BOTH. WE ALL DO. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW FAR TO COMPROMISE TOWARDS DENSITY, VERSUS HOW FAR TO COMPROMISE TOWARDS THE AMENITIES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I REALLY NEED TO KNOW HERE. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BUT THIS REPORT MADE ME FEEL LIKE THIS WAS A FELT LIKE A VERY CLEAR MANDATE WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, THAT LET'S GO FOR DENSITY AND LET'S NOT DO THE RETAIL, IF THAT'S WHAT THIS GROUP WAS TELLING US. THAT MAKES ME THINK DIFFERENTLY. I'M HEARING YOU GUYS KIND OF I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE TELLING US SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO I'M A LITTLE LOST ABOUT. THERE WERE 22 PEOPLE AND THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US HERE. YEAH. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SPEAK WITH THOSE FOLKS, BECAUSE THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE SAYING THE SAME THING THAT I AM. AND I GUESS, I MEAN, THE WAY I READ IT, 41% SUPPORTED THE MIXED USE AND 69% SUPPORTED DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY. AS FAR AS THE HOUSING TYPES TO SEE IN THIS AREA. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING. I DON'T THINK IT'S A MANDATE. I THINK HEAVY ON MIXED USE. I THINK THAT THAT'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU PREFER? I THINK THAT'S LIKE, IF YOU COULD CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT, YOU WOULD WANT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT'S ABOUT I THINK THE REPORT IS LIKE A COLLECTION OF THE VALUE JUDGMENTS THAT THE, THE GROUP WAS TRYING TO MAKE. I, I DON'T SITTING HERE I DON'T I MY WISH IS THAT WE COULD HAVE THE PLAN WITH LESS DENSITY. RIGHT. WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VIBRANT AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THE FOCUS GROUP DOES WANT TO LIKE RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL SHOPS.

RIGHT. CUTE THINGS. WE KNOW WE CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT SOME DENSITY. WE JUST HAVE TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT, RIGHT? THAT I MEAN, THAT'S MY TAKEAWAY FROM IT. YES. THAT'S NICE. AND I THINK JUST TO SUPPORT THIS A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT CAME OUT OF THE 22 PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE ROOM, I THINK IT WAS 22. I THINK YOU JUST SAID THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC IN WHAT THE COLORING LOOKS LIKE, BUT I THINK IT'S VAGUE ON PURPOSE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO HIGHER DENSITY, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE IT ON 62. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOW, LOW DENSITY, PROBABLY WANT IT AWAY FROM 62. AND SO I THINK FROM A COLOR PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS I THINK THE GROUP AGREED WITH. IT'S JUST NOW IT'S TIME TO PUT SPECIFICS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. IF, I MEAN SO MARLENE I THINK YEAH. BUT I'M STILL LEFT WITH DID THIS GROUP WANT HIGHER DENSITY IN ORDER OR DID THEY DID NOT WANT HIGHER DENSITY? I KNOW THAT OKAY, I CAN ANSWER THAT. DEFINE HIGHER DENSITY I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PICK A NUMBER LIKE I MEAN LOOK AT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THAT'S FINE. IT WAS A TRICK QUESTION BECAUSE YEAH I KNOW. YEAH. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT EVANS FARM, THAT'S WHAT WE POINTED TO. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR DENSITY IS 3 TO 1 MAYBE THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE. IT'S OVERALL LIKE 10 TO 1. IT CAN'T BE. THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IS WINDSOR IS VERY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT'S VERY DENSE I MEAN THAT'S WHERE DENSITY GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING. I THINK THIS IS ALL GOOD FEEDBACK. AND WE'RE PROBABLY JUST KIND OF YEAH, WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE WINDSOR IS FIVE. IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN WINDSOR RIGHT. THAT WINDSOR WAS FIVE I THINK WINDSOR WINDSOR IS HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE WINDSOR STUDY THAN THREE IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. WELL I THINK THEN THREE IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OUT OF EVERYTHING YOU GUYS JUST SAID. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I'M NO EXPERT, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT FIVE THEN I THINK, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF WE'RE GOING THIS IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK. AND I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE GO BACK AND LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EMPHASIZED IN THE PLAN. I THINK THERE'S CONCEPTS THAT WE PUT IN THERE TO GET TO WHERE PEOPLE WANTED TO GO, BUT PEOPLE MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING, LIKE THE

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IT WAS NEVER THAT WAS NEVER DISCLOSED TO ANYBODY ON THE IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WHERE YOU KIND OF SHOW PARCELS THAT ARE IN OR OUT, AND AS THEY GET ANNEXED AND REZONE, THAT'S HOW THEY HAVE TO REZONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN. THAT'S WHY THE PLAN IS SO IMPORTANT. SO WHEN WE SAY THAT WE I MEAN, AND THIS IS 15 MONTHS, I THINK WHEN WE SAY WHEN WE USE EXTREME WORDS LIKE THAT WAS NEVER SHARED, I THINK IT WAS. BUT THIS WAS JUST SUCH A LONG PROCESS. ONE OF THE BIG MAPS WE HAD IN THE VERY FIRST COMMUNITY MEETINGS WAS SHOWING PEOPLE WHAT'S IN AND OUT, LIKE WE PUT IT ON A BIG BOARD SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD WHAT ADDITIONAL GROWTH POTENTIAL WE COULD HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I THINK THIS IS ALL REALLY, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION. I MEAN, THERE'S NOBODY THAT'S ASKING FOR A VOTE TONIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY, VERY CLEAR. WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN A FORM OF A RESOLUTION SO WE CAN HAVE THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE. THE KITZMILLER DISCUSSION WAS A FANTASTIC DISCUSSION. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALREADY MADE A RECOMMENDATION CHANGE IN THE PLAN BECAUSE OF THAT GREAT WORK.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD AS WELL. I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT THINGS TO WORK WITH HERE. AND SO AGAIN, GOING BACK AND THERE'S PROBABLY STILL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK, BUT LET'S GO BACK AND LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OUR NOTES FROM THE MEETINGS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT. AND THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD PLACE TO WORK FROM. RIGHT? THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO WORK FROM. SO WHAT IS OUR WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS. DO WE KNOW? WELL, THE NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE OUR LAST SPEAKER COME UP. AND THEN WE WILL LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION IF YOU'RE DONE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. THE NEXT STEP WE'LL WE'LL HAVE BRUCE COME ON UP, BUT THE NEXT STEP WILL HAVE BRUCE, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE ACTION ON THIS RESOLUTION. AND IT'S EITHER TABLE IT OR APPROVE IT OR DENY IT. SO IT'LL BE ONE OF THOSE THREE. I THINK I HAVE A REALLY SOLID FEELING FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT I'LL LET THE I'LL LET THE FOLKS DECIDE WHEN I MAKE THE MOTION. BRUCE. BRUCE.

LARSON. BRUCE, ANOTHER MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE STEERING COMMITTEE. YES. SORRY, THAT WAS 69, 20 KINDLER DRIVE. AND NEW ALBANY LINKS. YEAH, YEAH. SO I ACTUALLY CAME JUST TO LISTEN, BUT I THINK THAT AS I WAS LISTENING, I DECIDED TO ADD A FEW POINTS. I'M NOT A WHOLE LOT.

I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE VERY LONG. BUT TO CONTINUE ON THE DISCUSSION WE'RE JUST HAVING IN THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOKED AT THIS AND WE LOOKED AT RESTAURANTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED AND SO FORTH, IT WAS BROUGHT TO US THAT IN ORDER TO BE TO BRING THOSE IN, THAT WE HAD TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY. AND THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COUNCILMAN BREAST. AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT AS A COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE YOUR SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, ONE ACRE PER HOUSE TYPE THING. I DON'T I WALKED WHEN I WALKED AWAY FROM THAT, I DON'T THINK AT LEAST I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT IT WAS.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED, WHICH IS ABOUT 260 ACRES. AND IF WE DO SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE, THAT GETS YOU TO 1850. RIGHT. AND SO THAT. IT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNITS AND I DON'T THINK I HAD THAT IN MY HEAD WHEN I WALKED AWAY FROM THAT, I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE THREE, FOUR, FIVE. I ACTUALLY KIND OF DIDN'T GO PAST FIVE IN MY HEAD, SO SEVEN WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED. BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS SETTLED RIGHT IS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALL HEARD. BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN THE MEETING THAT I THINK IT WAS CLEAR THAT IT WAS HIGHER DENSITY. IT JUST WASN'T CLEAR ON THE NUMBER. HOW HIGH THAT. YES. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND ALSO IN THE PRESENTATION EARLIER THERE WAS A CHART ADDED THAT WAS NEW THAT SHOWED 18 AND 50 IN MULTIFAMILY AND 1850 IN THAT. AND I THINK IN 250, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS, I'M GUESSING 200. SO THERE'S 700 OR 570 SOME ACRES, BUT ALL THE PART THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED TODAY IS PROBABLY 260. IF YOU DID SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE TWO, SAY, 250, THAT COUNT NEW HOMES SHOULD BE 250, NOT THE 1850 THAT WAS IN THE CHART. IF YOU'RE DOING TRUE APPLES TO APPLES FOR THOSE

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RIGHT. AND IT'S LIKE USUALLY IN HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY, WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT ONE HOUSE PER ACRE. BUT I THINK THAT SHOWS SOME CLARITY THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHEN THAT CHART, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THAT CHART ON THERE, THE NEXT PART I WANTED TO GO TO IS WHAT AM I CALL CONTROLS, RIGHT. WE AS A COMMITTEE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING CODES AND WHAT WOULD IT BE. AND THIS WE HAD TALKED MIGHT BE A ZONE BASED, BUT A ZONE BASED DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS ON DENSITY. DOESN'T EVEN GIVE 7 TO 1. IT COULD BE WHATEVER, RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS NECESSARILY TO HAVE A SINGLE RESTAURANT IN THERE. IT'S AND I THINK THAT AS WE GO INTO THIS, WE NEED TO MAKE WE NEED TO BUILD CONTROLS, ESPECIALLY IF WE GO TO A ZONE BASED CODE THAT WE HAVE SOME KIND OF MINIMUM TYPE OF RESTAURANT LEVEL, BECAUSE THAT WAS ASKED FOR WE HAVE SOME KIND OF PARAMETERS AROUND HOUSING DENSITY BECAUSE THAT'S A HOT TOPIC, OBVIOUSLY. AND THEN WHATEVER ELSE FALLS IN THERE. RIGHT. BUT I JUST WANT CONTROLS TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS WE GO TO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO DEFINE THAT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD THAT COULD BE TAKEN AWAY AND DONE. I'M THERE WITH THE HAMLET. I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT EXERCISE. WE GOT TO A MUCH BETTER PLACE THAN WHERE I THINK WE STARTED WITH THAT. THE ADVANTAGE WE HAD OF THE HAMLET WAS ALL THAT LAND WAS CONTROLLED BY ONE LANDOWNER, RIGHT. AND WE COULD GO IN AND WE COULD DEFINE THE SUB AREAS AND BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS. HERE IS GOING TO HAVE X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL THIS, MUCH OF THAT AND SO FORTH. I THINK IT'S HARD TO PUT THOSE CONTROLS WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS.

AND THAT COULD CHANGE HANDS OVER TIME. SO THAT'S PART OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THAT ASK. BUT I JUST WANT THAT I'M ASKING THAT BE INCLUDED. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST THING IS THE STEERING COMMITTEE. WE DID MEET SEVERAL TIMES AND EVERYBODY WAS VERY ENGAGED OR GOOD INPUT AND GOOD THAT SO FORTH. I THINK THAT IF YOU WANTED THEM TO COME BACK TOGETHER AND WITH THE INFORMATION THAT'S KIND OF COME THROUGH SINCE THEY LAST MET, I BET THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, WOULD PROBABLY PARTICIPATE IN THAT. SO I JUST PUT THAT AS A AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. AND THAT WAS ALL I WANTED TO SHARE. YES, THANKS. GOOD. THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK BRUCE. ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE FROM. WHAT I THOUGHT SHE HAD A COMMENT. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT READY TO COMMENT, GENTLEMEN. NO, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT JUST TO ANSWER ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. I THINK WE JUST HUDDLED REAL QUICK. AND SO WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, ARE THANKFUL FOR THE INPUT. AND I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. THERE'S NO IT SHOULDN'T BE FRUSTRATING. IT SHOULD BE IT SHOULD BE AN OPEN DIALOG. AND OUR ABILITY TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO IN NEW ALBANY IN ORDER TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. RIGHT. SO THIS HAS ALL BEEN FANTASTIC. I THINK STAFF AT LEAST WILL NEED UNTIL AUGUST 5TH TO REALLY KIND OF REGROUP AND TALK ABOUT, LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD, GO THROUGH THE NOTES, GO THROUGH THE DATA AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PROCEED. AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A DATE CERTAIN TO POSTPONE TO, SINCE IT IS A RESOLUTION, WE WOULD SUGGEST AT LEAST AUGUST 5TH IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE'RE NOT READY AT THAT TIME, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY SEND NOTICES OUT TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE GROUP TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE NEEDED MORE TIME AFTER THAT, BUT JUST TO KIND OF SIT BACK AND THIS WAS JUST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN SAY LIKE, FOR SURE TONIGHT, WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS? WE NEED TO JUST KIND OF REGROUP AFTER EVERYTHING WE HEARD. WATCH THIS MEETING AGAIN AND KIND OF GO THROUGH IT. THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR YOU, JENNIFER. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT READY TO ASK THAT QUESTION. SO YOU ANSWERED THAT ONE. WITH THAT IN MIND, IF WE WERE TO GET THE COMMITTEE BACK TOGETHER AND THEY WERE TO PROVIDE MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK, WOULD THAT DATE STILL BE A GOOD DATE FOR YOU, OR ARE WE THINKING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER? I THINK LET'S EVEN FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S A STEP. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. AND, AND IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND PUSH IT FROM AUGUST 5TH, WE'LL PUSH IT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE. SO NOBODY'S MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. BUT THERE WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION PRESENTED TONIGHT AND SO MANY GREAT QUESTIONS, GREAT DIALOG, GREAT, GREAT QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON THESE PROJECTS AND YOU SEE THINGS A CERTAIN WAY TO, TO ATTACK THIS FROM A FORM BASED PERSPECTIVE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ONLY EVER DONE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. AND IT'S A BIG AND NEW CONCEPT. AND THE IDEA BEHIND IT WAS THE ONE THEME WE HEARD WAS CONTROL AND FORM BASED

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RIGHT. AND SO LET US, YOU KNOW, LET US TAKE A STEP BACK AND KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S IN THE PLAN. I THINK WE START TALKING ABOUT THESE DENSITY NUMBERS. AND AS SOMEONE JUST POINTED OUT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT? LIKE WE'RE JUST THIS IS ALSO, AGAIN, AS AS BRUCE POINTED OUT, WE HAVE MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR COMMUNITY, AN AREA THIS BIG THAT IS GETTING AN INTENSE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE, AND WE ARE GETTING APPLICATIONS, PEOPLE CALLING US EVERY SINGLE DAY TO TRY TO SUBMIT AND GET THINGS THROUGH IN THIS AREA. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CHALLENGED EITHER ON THIS PLAN OR ON OUR CURRENT PLAN VERY, VERY SOON, LEGALLY ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING. WE HAVE STUFF HAPPENING IN THE TOWNSHIP BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING IT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT PATIENT ENOUGH WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR PROCESS. AND SO I GUESS MY POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT. IT'S PRETTY OUT OF THE BOX FOR THIS AREA. WE HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME AN AREA THAT'S NOT OWNED BY ONE DEVELOPER. AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONTROL THAT GROWTH SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE WHAT WE WANT AT THE END. SO WE JUST NEED TO TAKE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, PROCESS IT. LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE. AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL UPDATE YOU ACCORDINGLY. I APPRECIATE THE FORESIGHT OF TRYING TO HAVE A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS HUGELY CHALLENGING, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. I HOPE I DON'T SOUND LIKE I'M GRILLING YOU BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY INTENTION. BUT I DO WANT TO GO INTO THIS UNDERSTANDING WHAT EVERYBODY REALLY WANTS. I MEAN, I'M JUST ONE PERSON. WE'RE ALL JUST ONE PERSON AS A RESIDENT HERE. AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS REPRESENT WHAT MOST PEOPLE WANT. AND BUT I HAVE TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WHAT I THINK WE CAN REALISTICALLY DO WITH IT. AND DOING THIS IS, IS A MASSIVE CHALLENGE, BUT IT COULD BE A REALLY INCREDIBLE THING IF WE CAN GET THIS FIGURED OUT, BECAUSE IT'LL PROTECT US WITH EVERY PARCEL THAT GOES UP FOR SALE AND TRIES TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TRIES TO DEVELOP IN THAT AREA. SO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR WORK ON IT. I REALLY DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD CONVERSATION. YOU'RE STILL IN PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE I CLOSE OUT PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO CHAT? CHRIS I SAW YOU SIT BACK DOWN, SO YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO MORE COMMENTS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE COMMENT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO TABLE RESOLUTION R 18 2025 TO OUR AUGUST 5TH COUNCIL MEETING. SECOND. PRESIDENT PRO TEM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

JARRETT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRIS. YES. SIX. YES. VOTES TO TABLE. RESOLUTION R 18 2025 TO THE AUGUST 5TH MEETING. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE FEEDBACK. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THIS IS LIKE A MARLENE SAID. THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX SITUATION. WE ALL MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. SO I'M SURE WE'LL BE SEEING MORE OF YOU IN THE FUTURE AND WE WELCOME THAT. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION R 19 2025, A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A NON-BINDING MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE KIWI FOUNDATION IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE PARAMETERS OF EDUCATIONAL EVENTS AND PROGRAMS TO BE HELD IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025. ADRIAN, THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A REALLY UPLIFTING AND HEARTWARMING STORY THAT I THINK EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH. THERE IS A DOCUMENTARY THAT HAS BEEN PRODUCED NAMED A TRAIN NEAR MAGDEBURG, AND THIS TELLS A STORY OF THE RESCUE. ABOUT 2500 JEWISH NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVORS. THEY WERE RESCUED BY AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN APRIL OF 1945, AND A DOCUMENTARY IS BEING PRODUCED IN CENTRAL OHIO BY A LOCAL EMMY AWARD WINNING FILMMAKER. AS PART OF THAT DOCUMENTARY, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EVENT IN CENTRAL OHIO THAT'S TAKING PLACE BETWEEN THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH AND SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH, AND NEW ALBANY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE FILM TO HOST A TWO DAY EVENT ON THAT THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. SO SEPTEMBER 11TH AND SEPTEMBER 12TH AS PART OF THE THURSDAY PROGRAM THAT THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. IT WILL INCLUDE AN EVENING EVENT THAT WILL KICK OFF THE WEEKEND OF SHARING THE FILM AND THE UNDERLYING STORY. THE EVENT WILL INCLUDE A PANEL DISCUSSION AND SCREENING PORTIONS OF THE FILM ON THAT THURSDAY, AND THEN A

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THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE THURSDAY EVENING PROGRAM AND RECEPTION, AND THEN THE CHEWY FOUNDATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMING THAT WILL OCCUR ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. THE MOU ALSO OUTLINES HOW ANY FUNDING RECEIVED BY POTENTIAL SPONSORS WILL BE USED AND DISTRIBUTED. LIKE I SAID, THE PLAN LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT IS INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE EVENT AND THE NEW ALBANY COMMUNITY FOUNDATION IS FUNDING A PORTION OF THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THIS RESOLUTION MAYBE ADOPTED THIS EVENING AND I DON'T KNOW, COUNCILWOMAN BRUCE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD. I THINK YOU WERE VERY THOROUGH. UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T DISAGREE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT IN THE LEGISLATION. YEAH.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THE IDEA COMMITTEE'S BUDGET. AND SO WE HAVE ABOUT $15,000 THAT WAS UNALLOCATED TO A PROGRAM IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. WE ALSO HAVE UNDER OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WILL BECOME THAT WILL BE UNDER BUDGET. MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A 15 TO $17,000 COST IN. THAT IS, BARRING ANY SPONSORS THAT MAY COME FORWARD BETWEEN NOW AND THE EVENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW WHEN WE KIND OF INCREASE THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT HERE, LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE INCREASING IT FOR 10,000, IT WAS REALLY FOR LOOKING AT SPECIAL TYPE EVENTS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO. AND I REALLY THINK THIS HITS ALL THE BOXES OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING SPECIAL. UNIQUE, OFFERS A GREAT EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE SCHOOLS, AND IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL STILL BE WITHIN BUDGET AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND IF NOT, WE CAN ADDRESS IT THEN. BUT I DO THINK FROM A FROM AN EVENT PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS PRETTY AMAZING IN A, IN A UNIQUE WAY TO BRING SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE TO, TO NEW ALBANY. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. GREAT. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN BRISK ON BRINGING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY. IT'S AMAZING. YES. NOW I WILL MOVE TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING. IS ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE RESOLUTION? OUR 19 2025 HEARING? NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION R 19 2025 SECOND.

COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. PRESIDENT. PRO TEM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIS. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. JARRETT. YES. SIX. YES. VOTES. RESOLUTION R 17 2025. ALL RIGHT. YES. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER BRISK. THIS IS AN AMAZING EVENT. I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN BRINGING THIS TO NEW ALBANY. AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR SEPTEMBER.

I THINK IT'LL BE GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS WE

[14. REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES]

ALSO REPORTED THAT THEY HAVE REHABBED 2000 HOUSING UNITS, BASICALLY STABILIZE THOSE HOUSING UNITS THROUGH THEIR TEAM THROUGH WEATHERIZATION AND HAZARD MITIGATION PROGRAMS, BASICALLY CREATING HEALTHY HOMES, REPAIRING PROBLEM FURNACES, HOT WATER TANKS, INSULATION PROBLEMS. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN CENTRAL OHIO. AND

[03:00:06]

JOE. THERE WAS NO MEETING FOR THE PARKS AND RECS. HOW ABOUT PLAIN LOCAL SCHOOLS? NO REPORT, NO REPORT. ALL RIGHT, PLAIN TOWNSHIP, THERE WAS A TOWNSHIP MEETING. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. THEY DID PASS A RESOLUTION TO PROHIBIT ENGINE BRAKING FOR TRUCKS ON TIPPETT ROAD. THERE'S A BIG SOIL COLLECTION SITE UP THERE AND LOTS OF DUMP TRUCKS AND OUR ENGINE BRAKING AND CREATING A LOT OF NOISE FOR RESIDENTS. THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE SECOND FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LAND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED FOR THE BUS, PARKING LOT AND JOINT EFFORT WITH THE FIRE STATION. THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROPERTY WAS STILL AVAILABLE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR WHETHER PART OF IT WAS AVAILABLE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR IF NONE OF IT WAS AVAILABLE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH. OBVIOUSLY, IT IMPACTS A BOND ISSUE WHEN THEY WANT TO BUILD AS TO WHERE AND HOW MUCH, AND THEY ARE GOING TO UNDER, THEY ARE UNDERTAKING SOME ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEEDS FEES BASED ON IF ANY OF THAT LAND IS AVAILABLE, TO SEE HOW THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONFIGURE SOMETHING ON IT, IF IT IS AVAILABLE AND WHAT AMOUNT, AND THEN THAT WILL ENABLE THEM TO LOOK AT PROJECTED COSTS AND POTENTIALLY DO THEIR BONDING ISSUE. BUT IT'S VERY MUCH IN THE AIR UNTIL THEY GET A CLEAR RESOLUTION FROM NEW ALBANY COMPANY. AND THEY BASICALLY GOT DIFFERENT ANSWERS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT NEW ALBANY. SO THAT WAS IN THE AIR. AND THEY DID WAIVE FIRE PLAN INSPECTION FEES FOR THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, FOR THE INNOVATION CENTER TO HELP FACILITATE THAT. AND THAT WAS IT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MIKE.

[15. REPORTS OF CITY OFFICIALS]

[03:05:01]

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR WHO? SHE HAD TO STEP OUT. SHE HAD A CHILDCARE ISSUES. OKAY. EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD. YEAH, I THINK SHE GAVE US A REPORT. SHE CAN. WE CAN REVIEW IT AT OUR LEISURE. WE GOT THE REPORT. I CAN I CAN SUB FOR HER. IT LOOKS LIKE OUR REVENUES ARE 41% AHEAD OF BUDGETS, WHILE EXPENSES ARE DOWN 22%. AND AS USUAL WITH HOLDINGS IS LEADING THE WAY WITH 76%. THERE WE GO. ANY QUESTIONS? PERFECT. MOVING ON, CITY MANAGER. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE ADRIAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE. JULY 4TH EVENT. YEAH. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXHIBIT UP HERE THAT I'LL PASS IT AROUND SO YOU CAN LOOK ALL RIGHT. SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS WEEKEND IS THE UNOFFICIAL KICKOFF TO THE SUMMER MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. SO WE HAVE JUST A RECAP AND SOME REMINDERS AND UPDATES FOR COUNCIL RELATED TO EVENTS. SO THESE ARE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT PRODUCING FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. WE HAVE SOME AFTER AUGUST, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO FOCUS THROUGH AUGUST TONIGHT. SO OUR FREE CONCERT SERIES KICKS OFF ON JUNE 12TH WITH MCGUFFEY LANE. WE'VE BEEN AROUND COLUMBUS FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH MCGUFFEY LANE. JUNETEENTH IS ON JUNE 19TH AT THE AMPHITHEATER, AND I HAVE A GRAPHIC ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER, OUR NEXT CONCERT. SO WE'RE ON A TWO EVERY TWO WEEK THURSDAY PATTERN FOR OUR THREE CONCERTS. THAT WILL BE GRASS. AND THEY ARE A ROCK, BLUES AND BLUEGRASS BAND WITH A HEALTHY SERVING OF FUN. INDEPENDENCE DAY, OBVIOUSLY, IS JULY 4TH. I HAVE SOME MORE DETAILS ON THE NEXT SLIDE ABOUT THAT. JULY 10TH IS BUZZ BIN. THIS IS A 90S COVER BAND, SO 90S MUSIC, AND WHEN WE DID OUR LITTLE SURVEY LAST FALL ABOUT WHAT KIND OF BANDS PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, 90S MUSIC WAS ONE OF THE TOP. AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. IS THAT GRUNGE? I THINK IT IS EVERYTHING THAT KIND OF BUZZ ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING. I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER THAT. GIN BLOSSOMS, SPICE GIRLS, THIRD EYE BLIND, BACKSTREET BOYS, BACKSTREET BOYS, THAT'S NOT MY KIDS BIRTHDAY PARTIES, YOUR KID'S BIRTHDAY, YOUR KID'S BIRTHDAY PARTIES. AND THEN WE HAVE BOMBAY, JULY 24TH. THEY ARE A LATIN JAZZ BAND. AND THEN FLEETWOOD GOLD, WHICH YOU MIGHT GUESS IS A FLEETWOOD MAC TRIBUTE BAND, WHICH I SAW LAST YEAR AND THEY WERE FANTASTIC. OH, GOOD.

HIGHLY RECOMMEND. GREAT. SO THAT WOULD BE ON AUGUST 7TH. AND THEN THE CITY'S TOUCH A TRUCK IS ALSO ON IN AUGUST ON THE 23RD, CAN I. YEP. AND SO REMINDER ABOUT JUNETEENTH JUNE 19TH 6 TO 9.

LITTLE LATER TO TRY TO NOT BE AS HOT IN THE AMPHITHEATER. THAT IS COMING UP. AND THEN JULY 4TH. SO OUR THEME IS TWO PLY FOR THE 4TH OF JULY PARADE STARTING AT 11 A.M, FIREWORKS AROUND 10 P.M. NO FESTIVAL THIS YEAR, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND IF PEOPLE ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, WE HAVE 21 REGISTERED PARADE ENTRIES TO DATE, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY GOOD. I THINK THERE'S A TOTAL OF 62 PARADE ENTRIES LAST YEAR. FROM A MEDIA STANDPOINT, WE'VE HAD FIVE POSTS AND TWO STORIES SO FAR, WITH OVER 35,000 IMPRESSIONS. IT'S BEEN IN CONNECTS FOR THE LAST SIX CONSECUTIVE WEEKS. WEB AND DIGITAL. WE HAVE DEDICATED WEB PAGES WITH EVENT DETAILS. AND THEN TODAY THERE WAS A POST ABOUT VOLUNTEERING. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU ARE TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, PLEASE, PLEASE ENCOURAGE THEM TO VOLUNTEER. WE NEED VOLUNTEERS AT THE PARADE. SO FAR WE ONLY HAVE ONE. IT WAS IT'S ABE JACOBS, SO I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE HERE TONIGHT. YOU DO GET A T SHIRT FOR VOLUNTEERING AND YOU DO GET EARLY ACCESS TO OUR HOMETOWN PRIDE PACKS, WHICH JOE IS JUST SHOWING AROUND. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. AND SO, YEAH, SUPER FUN.

CAN WE GET. SO WE WILL HAVE WE WILL LAUNCH THE HOMETOWN PRIDE PACKS HOW YOU GET THEM. SO IT'S KIND OF FIRST COME FIRST SERVE FOR 500 RESIDENTS FOR 500 RESIDENTS. WE HAVE A WHOLE PROCESS HOW WE'LL VERIFY THAT YOU PURCHASED THEM OR HOW. NO, IT'S A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.

THIS IS IN LIEU OF THE FESTIVAL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT BUDGET SEASON LAST YEAR. YEP. SO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER. THEY GET THE T SHIRT AND THEY GET THE FIRST ACCESS TO THEM.

AND THEN OTHERWISE IT WILL BE THERE'LL BE A PROCESS AND AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON HOW YOU CAN GET

[03:10:02]

ARE THERE DIFFERENT DAYS HAVE DIFFERENT START TIMES. THEY'RE ALL THE SAME TIME. THEY ARE 7 TO 830. THEY'RE ALL ON THURSDAYS. SO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO TO THE FARMER'S MARKET, GET FOOD, BRING A PICNIC, BRING YOUR BRING YOUR CHAIRS, BRING YOUR BLANKETS AND GO TO THE CONCERTS AND DO THE DORA RIGHT. DORA GATES OPEN AT 630 AND YOU CAN. YEAH. DO THE DORA YOU CAN TAKE. BEER FROM BREWDOG. BREWDOG, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE TEN BEERS OVER BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ISSUE ONCE. WAS THAT WAS AN ISSUE ONCE. YEAH. THAT'S THE CUSTOMERS THAT REALLY WANTED TO DO IT THAT WAY. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE DENSITY QUESTION. YES. TOO SOON YOU KNOW. YEAH. RIGHT. TOO SOON. WE HAD MORE RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET ONE AT EACH, I THINK THREE BEERS TO ONE IS GOOD. THE ONE IS BAD. SORRY. DEFINITELY. YOU'RE AN OG. SO WE CAN WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. OKAY. CITY MANAGER. ALRIGHT. CITY ATTORNEY, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TONIGHT. IT'S ALL BEEN SAID. THANK YOU. WELL, HANG ON, YOU MIGHT BE COMING UP HERE SOON, SO. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. PULL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. PULL

[17. POLL FOR COUNCIL COMMENT]

THANKS, MIKE. IS THAT SOMETHING BEFORE I MOVE ON. YEAH. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, WE WERE ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO TRY TO LIMIT THE TREES. WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE DO THAT PROPERLY. THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO INSTALL AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, INSTALL ANOTHER POLE. WE WANTED TO GET THEM UP. SO MAYBE SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION. YEAH. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. JUST I MEAN, WE COULD ALMOST MAKE THE, THE POLE THAT THE ONE WAY AND THEN NO U-TURN SIGNS ARE ON AND JUST EXTEND IT A LITTLE HIGHER. AND BECAUSE ARE THOSE JUST SOLAR OR DID WE RUN POWER TO THEM? YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE JUST SOLID. SO THAT'S PROBABLY AN EASY SOLUTION UNLESS WE HAVE A HEIGHT ON SOMETHING. BUT OKAY, I HAVE ONE THING. ELECTRIC BIKES. OH.

[03:15:09]

TRISH. YEAH THAT'S YEAH. THE LINKS IS SAYING I'VE GOT PASSED BY TWO. YOU'VE BEEN PASSED BY TO SPEED UP OLD MAN. BUT THEY LIKE FLEW RIGHT BY. SO I WOULD AGREE I'VE HAD OCCURRENCES TOO. AND EVEN GOING TO THE PARADE THIS FOUNDER'S DAY, WALKING ACROSS SOME OF THE AREAS THEY WERE FLYING BY, COMING UP ON PEOPLE AND SLIDING AROUND THEM AND AT INCREDIBLE SPEED. AND IT'S NO, NO CONCERN FOR THE WALKERS ON THE SIDEWALKS. YEAH, I AND I KNOW WE KIND OF TALKED OFF THE RECORD WITH CHIEF ABOUT TRYING TO I THINK WE NEED A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO EV VEHICLES, GOLF CARTS, MOPEDS, SCOOTERS. YEAH. I MEAN, SOME OF THESE BIKES, TO YOUR POINT. I MEAN, THEY WHIP THROUGH, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR AT THE SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY WHIPPED THROUGH CAMPUS AND THROUGH THE STADIUM AND COME AROUND BLIND TURNS GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR, AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HURT WHEN IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET SERIOUSLY HURT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE STARTED. I WAS GOING TO KICK IT OVER TO YOU THERE FOR A SECOND BEFORE I WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE. I THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE, LIKE YOU SAID, A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THIS. I DON'T THINK THE, THE. THE LAWS ARE SUFFICIENT TO REALLY ADDRESS ALL THESE ISSUES. SO I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAWS AND THEN ALSO ABOUT SIGNAGE, BUT WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED THOSE AS WELL. AND I'VE SEEN THE KIDS ON THE BIKES OR THE SCOOTERS AND ELECTRIC BIKES AND THE GOLF CARTS, BUT I THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO OUR ORDINANCES. AND THEN ALSO ABOUT SIGNAGE. COULD MUNICIPAL LAWS OR MUNICIPAL LAWS BE THE GUIDE OR DO WE HAVE TO OR DO WE HAVE TO DEFAULT TO THE STATE ON HOW YOU CAN CHANGE THOSE? WE CAN MAKE WE CAN MAKE OUR MUNICIPAL OUR CODIFIED ORDINANCES STRICTER THAN THE STATE. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT I SAW IN THE STATE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, BUT THERE'S NOTHING AS FAR AS A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND. AND TALKING WITH PROSECUTORS, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT GOES. I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT SIGNAGE, ABOUT EDUCATION, THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH. ARE THEY? YEAH. BECAUSE THEY ARE EXCEL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY ACCELERATE VERY QUICKLY AND THEY'RE EXCEEDING SPEEDS OF SOME VEHICLES ON. YEAH. THERE'S ARE THEY ALLOWED ON THE ROAD. IT. WELL I'LL USE I MEAN I'M, I USE ONE OF BEN'S LINES. IT DEPENDS. SO YOU KNOW IT JUST SEEMS UNREASONABLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED INTO THIS BEFORE, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED. THERE'S DIFFERENT CLASSES OF THREE CLASSES. RIGHT. AND SO AND LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES ORDINANCES, THEY DIVIDE IT BY CLASS ON WHERE THEY CAN BE. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT GETS ACTUALLY PRETTY DETAILED, BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ABSOLUTE LIKE THERE'S NO SCOOTERS ALLOWED ON THE PATHS, OR ALL SCOOTERS HAVE TO GO ON THE ROAD. IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A LOT MORE. YOU HAVE 12 AND 13 YEAR OLDS OUT THERE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S AS IF THEY ARE RIDING A MOTORCYCLE BASICALLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN TERMS OF THE SPEED AND THEY'RE OUT ON OUR STREETS. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE CASEY SAID, IT'S NOT IF, IT'S WHEN AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THEM. I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO THE SCHOOLS, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE BIKE RACKS ARE FULL OF SCOOTERS AND GETTING TO BE LESS AND LESS BIKES. I KNOW WE HAVE A HELMET ORDINANCE. DOES THAT APPLY TO SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES? I DON'T THINK IT. CLASS THREE. I THINK IT'S MANDATORY.

YEAH, YEAH I DON'T THINK THAT THE I DON'T THINK THAT I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. BUT I DON'T

[03:20:02]

I'M JUST EXCITED TO KNOW THAT MAYBE I CAN GET ICE CREAM FOR ONE BIKE HELMET. WELL, THAT PERKED ME UP TONIGHT. AND YEAH, AND THERE'S A THERE'S A HEIGHT LIMIT. YOU DON'T GET IT. IF YOUR KIDS HEIGHT LIMIT, I CAN CROUCH. LET'S JUST NOT DO A WEIGHT LIMIT IN A VERY I'M BECOMING MY PARENTS MOMENT. THERE WAS A KID ON MARKET STREET THAT WAS DOUBLING ANOTHER KID ON A SCOOTER, AND THE KID THAT HE WAS DOUBLING HAD WITS IN EACH HAND, WRAPPED AROUND THE ONE THAT WAS DRIVING THE SCOOTER. AND I WAS LIKE, THESE KIDS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? AND THEN YOU WERE LIKE, GET OFF MY LAWN. GET OFF MY LAWN. YEAH. SO YEAH. ANY OTHER POLL FOR COUNCIL COMMENTS? JOE, DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE. THAT'S IS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS UNDER COUNCIL COMMENT OR IF YOU WERE DOING THAT ON OTHER BUSINESS OR WERE SIMPLY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE I WAS

[18. OTHER BUSINESS]

[03:25:03]

I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR COUNCIL TO PASS A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'LL FIGURE THAT ONE. OH, I GUESS, ANYBODY AWAKE? LET'S GET THIS DONE. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE $8,000 GRANT AWARD TO THE NEW ALBANY SYMPHONY THAT WAS AWARDED TO THEIR CONCERT FOR JULY 4TH IN 2025, BE MOVED TO 2026 SECOND. OKAY, I GUESS I COULD HAVE ADDED, BUT. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW. YES. PRESIDENT. PRO TEM. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. FALLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. SIX. YES. VOTES ON THE MOTION. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL MAKE NOTE OF THAT AS A COMMITTEE, SUBCOMMITTEE, GRANT COMMITTEE. IN SEPTEMBER, WHEN WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY

[03:30:07]

NICE STAND IN. TURNED OUT TO BE WE'RE

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