Jun 16, 2025 Planning Commission

[I. Call to order]

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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, JUNE 16TH, 2025. COULD I GET THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. KIRBY? PRESENT. MR. WALLACE. PRESENT. MR. SHELL PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS HERE, MR. LARSEN. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK. PRESENT. WE HAVE ALL VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES FROM MAY THE 19TH? NONE HERE. ANY OTHER? DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE MINUTES FOR THE MAY 19TH MINUTES? I'LL MOVE

[III. Action on minutes: May 19, 2025 ]

THE KENNEL CLUB WOULD LIKE TO INFORMALLY PRESENT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER OTHER BUSINESS OR ANY OTHER ADDITIONS TO THE. WOULD EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. IT'S ALSO A GOOD TIME TO TURN YOUR PHONES TO SILENT. BRINGS US TO ITEM FIVE, HEARING OF VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE

[VI. Cases]

ALLOW HOME TO STATE THAT HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED ON LOTS 102103, 139 AND 140 ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE FRONT DOORS THAT FACE THE PUBLIC ROAD, WHICH IS OTHERWISE REQUIRED IN THE NEW DESIGN

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SORRY. MY BAD. I'M GETTING MIXED UP. SO THE TEXT REQUIRES A MINIMUM 20 FOOT PAVEMENT. I THINK WHAT'S BEING ILLUSTRATED ON THE FINAL PLAN IS 18. SO WE INITIALLY FLAGGED THAT AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN THE TEXT. BUT THE AFTER FURTHER REVIEW OF THE TEXT LANGUAGE, WE DETERMINED THAT IT SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE 20FT UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED AS PART OF A FINAL PLAN. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ON RECORD, BECAUSE I KNOW TOM'S GOING TO MENTION IT HERE DURING HIS PRESENTATION HERE IN A SECOND. SO THOSE WERE THE I THINK WE ONLY NEED ONE, BUT WE MIGHT NEED THAT FOURTH ONE DEPENDING ON TOM'S PRESENTATION.

BUT THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE ALSO LISTED FOR THE FINAL PLAN HERE AND THE FINAL PLAT HERE AS WELL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND AGAIN, TOM, AARON AND BRIAN ARE HERE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF YET. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE PLEASE. TOM WITH WITH ME TONIGHT IS AARON UNDERHILL AND BRIAN QUACKENBUSH FROM THE AARON FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TONIGHT. SO JUST JUST JUST AN FYI, SINCE WE WERE BEFORE YOU LAST, WE MADE A

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SO I THOUGHT JUST REAL QUICKLY, I COULD GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU. WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS. SO THE MAIN AREAS OF MODIFICATIONS SINCE LAST YOU SAW THIS ARE THE NORTH ENTRANCE, THE SOUTH ENTRANCE IN THE AREA WE'RE CALLING THE CLOSE. THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE STORMWATER BASIN, THE POND THAT WILL BE BUILT. THIS IS KIND OF A REFERENCE IMAGE, PROBABLY THE BEST ONE TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THAT'S THE THAT'S AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE POND CONFIGURATION THAT EXIST TODAY. IN THE MIDDLE IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO BE BUILT AS, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROGRAM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE REALLY REFERENCED MIRROR LAKE THAT I THINK MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE WETLAND PLANTINGS THAT ARE THAT OCCUR AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THAT. NEIL, ACTUALLY, OUTSIDE YOUR FRONT DOOR RIGHT NOW IS THE BIG POND THAT'S BEING BUILT ON THE EAST SIDE OF 605. CAN WE TONE THAT MIC DOWN A BIT? SURE. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE ALSO WETLAND PLANTINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE PLANTED AROUND STARTING AROUND THE 5TH OF JULY. SO A NEW DESIGN AND LANDSCAPE COMPONENT THAT THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE IN THE PAST. THE CITY CERTAINLY DID AN EXTENSIVE JOB OF WETLAND PLANTING AND TAYLOR FARM PARK. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER PONDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED TO THAT LEVEL. SO THAT'S A COMPONENT THAT WE PLAN TO INCORPORATE INTO THIS DESIGN. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE ON THIS DRAWING ON THE SOUTH END, THERE'S AN EXISTING BOARDWALK THAT EXTENDS THROUGH THE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT NOW. WE DID GO TO PARKS AND TRAILS COMMISSION LAST WEEK TO GET THEIR APPROVAL FOR MODIFICATION OF THE ALIGNMENT OF LEISURE PATH, BRICK SIDEWALK AND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS. WE DID MAKE IT SUCCESSFULLY THROUGH THROUGH THAT COMMISSION, BUT A DETAIL WORTH WORTH MENTIONING HERE. THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE A ALMOST LIKE A DOCK THAT EXTENDS OFF OF THE EDGE OF THAT BOARDWALK, EXTENDING INTO THE POND WITH A BENCH AND A GAS LIGHT AT THE ABOVE THAT THE. THE NORTHERN ELLIPSE IS ALSO BEING REBUILT, AND WITH THE MODIFICATION OF THE LOCATION OF THE POND AS IT'S EXTENDING FURTHER TO THE WEST, THAT WILL NEED TO BE REBUILT A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBLE, AND SOME OF THE BRICK DETAILING AND LANDSCAPE FEATURES WILL ALSO BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE MODIFICATIONS OR THE LATEST PLAN THAT HAPPENED IN THE CLOSE. AS CHRIS MENTIONED, THE DIMENSION OF THE PAVEMENT WIDTH 20FT AT THE ENTRANCE. THE BALANCE THROUGH HERE, I BELIEVE, IS 18FT. IT IS ONE WAY. WE HAVE MET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TWICE TODAY AND ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE MORE MEETINGS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WE WORK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TO DATE, THEY'VE ENDORSED ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE WE HAVE SUGGESTED. SOME OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS INCLUDE MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PORTIONS OF STRUCTURE THAT EXTEND ABOVE THE ROAD, LIKE THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE, THAT THAT HAS SPRINKLER SYSTEM INSTALLED IN IT. SO THIS IS IF I CAN BACK UP FOR A SECOND. THERE ARE THREE LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THAT STRUCTURES WOULD OCCUR ABOVE THE ROAD. THIS IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS DONE AT THE MARKET AND MAIN APARTMENTS FOR THE ROBERTSON BUILDING. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT'S A THAT'S A STRUCTURE THAT GOES OVER A PRIVATE ROAD VERSUS A PUBLIC ROAD. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE ISSUES RELATED TO MUNICIPAL REVIEW. WE'VE MET WITH JOE. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEGAL COMPONENTS OF THIS ARE SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSED. I KNOW AARON AND BEN CONTINUE TO MEET TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED TO EVERYONE'S SATISFACTION. AS I MENTIONED, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TALKED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS FIRE SUPPRESSION IN THOSE PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE ABOVE THE ROAD. ALSO, THAT THOSE HAVE STEEL FRAMES RATHER THAN WOOD TRUSSES AND OTHER KIND OF CONSTRUCTION ITEMS, ALL OF WHICH WE HAVE WE HAVE AGREED TO. ARE THOSE IN ANY OF THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT

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THEY WERE PLEASED TO SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MORE NARROW SECTION OF THE ROAD, OR AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ROAD AS WELL. WHERE DID THE VISITORS PARK? I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GONNA BE VISITORS, RIGHT? WHERE WOULD THEY PARK IF THEY WERE TO COME? SO MUCH LIKE MUCH LIKE EDGE OF WOODS? LET ME BACK UP FOR A SECOND. MUCH LIKE EDGE OF WOODS.

THERE WOULD. WHILE THERE WILL NOT BE ON STREET PARKING, EACH OF THESE HOMES DO HAVE AUTO COURTS IN THE FRONT. THEY DO ALSO HAVE ALL THREE CAR ATTACHED GARAGE WITH AUTO COURTS IN THE FRONT. AGAIN, NOT UNLIKE WHAT WAS DONE AT HIGHGROVE AND HIGHGROVE CRESCENT, AS WELL AS EDGE OF WOODS. THE. THERE IS A STIPULATION IN THE ZONING TEXT THAT THAT WE HAD TO REZONE LOT 108 AND 116. THESE STRUCTURES. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LOT INCLUDES THAT HOUSE AS WELL AS THIS. IT WOULD REALLY BE A DETACHED STRUCTURE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO THERE'S A STIPULATION IN THE ZONING TEXT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT. AND TOM, WHO WOULD OWN THAT AUXILIARY STRUCTURE, IS THAT PART OF THE THAT'S PART OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOT THAT'S TRANSFERRED TO THE PURCHASER OF THAT LOT. OKAY. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE YOU'RE GOING OVER, UNDER OVER THE PUBLICLY DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY.

JUST ONE FIRST, THIS ONE IN THIS AREA AND THEN TWO IN THE OTHER TWO ARE THE NORTH ENTRANCE AND SOUTH ENTRANCE THAT I'LL GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT. THANK YOU. IT'S GOING TO BE GATED. LIKE AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL PUBLICLY DEDICATED ROADS, SO NOTHING WILL BE GATED. THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE TO RESIDE IN THE RIGHT. THEY CAN BE DWELLING UNITS. SO THEY ARE THEY ARE PART OF THE OF THE LOT OF LOT 18. RIGHT. THEY'RE PART OF THAT LOT. SO THAT THE OWNERSHIP ACTUALLY GOES IT'S ABOVE THE ROAD. RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

RIGHT. IT IT'S NOT A SEPARATE LOT, BUT PART OF THAT INDIVIDUAL LOT. SO YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A BEDROOM WITHIN A BEDROOM. YOU COULD. SO IT COULD BE OCCUPIED BY, YOU KNOW, A TEENAGER OR AN ELDERLY PARENT OR SO. YES. THE EXPECTATION IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE A BEDROOM AS WELL AS LIKE A LITTLE SITTING AREA BATHROOM. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS KIND OF AN ILLUSTRATION THAT SHOWS HOW THIS WILL FUNCTION WITH THE IDEA OF DRIVING IN UNDERNEATH THAT. AGAIN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HOME ON THIS SIDE. SAME ON ON THE OTHER. AND THIS ILLUSTRATES KIND OF THE FLOOR PLAN OF WHAT THOSE WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO WHILE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETELY DESIGNED THERE HASN'T BEEN A FORK PUT IN IT YET. BUT THIS IS THIS IS THE EXPECTATION THAT THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE KIND OF FAMILY ROOM, SITTING AREA, STAIRS LEADING UP TO POTENTIALLY A BEDROOM, OR PERHAPS A STUDY. YOU WOULD BE THE GOAL IS FOR US TO, MUCH LIKE WE DID YEARS AGO IN BOTH EDGE OF WOODS AND BOTTOMLEY CRESCENT. THE SHELLS OF THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE BUILT. THE INTERIOR CAN BE MODIFIED BY THE END PURCHASER SO THEY CAN DETERMINE WHERE THE KITCHEN IS, WHERE THE BATHROOMS ARE, WHERE THE BEDROOMS ARE. BUT THE SHELL IS ALREADY PREDETERMINED. SO WHETHER THAT'S A BEDROOM ABOVE A ROAD, SOME FOLKS MAY NOT WANT THAT. THEY MAY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT. THIS IS JUST INTENDED TO ILLUSTRATE THE DESIGN INTENT. OKAY. ANOTHER CLOSER UP VERSION

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WHILE IT HAS A SIDEWALK, THERE'S ACTUALLY A GATE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GATE FOR THE VEHICLES.

THERE'S ALSO A GATE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN. SO THIS WOULD NOT BE GATED AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

SIMILARLY, THIS IS AN OVERHEAD ILLUSTRATION OF THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE. SO LANGDON PARK ROAD RIGHT HERE. THIS IS HEAD OF POND. I WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT THE HOMES WOULD LOOK LIKE THROUGH HERE. PART OF THE REZONING, WE BUMPED OUT THE BOUNDARY OF THE REZONING SO THAT THIS AREA TO THE SOUTH CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE ROOM. I COULD IMAGINE THAT I'LL BE BACK HERE BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, THAT THAT MAY END UP BEING THE SALES OFFICE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A TEMPORARY CONDITION. RIGHT? SO WE'D GO THROUGH THE STANDARD PROCEDURE, GETTING APPROVAL FOR THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD END UP BEING THE PERMANENT CONDITION. I SUSPECT THAT ULTIMATELY THAT COMPONENT WILL BE COMBINED WITH THE MAIN HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE. BUT FOR THE TIME BEING. SO AS A RESULT, THIS IS A SEPARATE LOT AND THE REZONING BOUNDARY WAS BUMPED OUT INTO THE GOLF COURSE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAN WHAT YOU SAW THE LAST TIME. THERE'S ALSO A CONDITION IN THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS PROPERTY. THE FRONT DOOR WOULD BE LOCATED HERE. NOT ON THAT, NOT ON THE ROAD SIDE. I THINK WE HAVE SOME ELEVATIONS OF THAT IN A MOMENT AS WELL. THERE WE GO. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD COME OFF OF THE SIDE NEXT TO THE MOTOR COURT STAIRS. AGAIN, THAT WOULD LEAD UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.

SIMILARLY, BEDROOMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. PERHAPS THIS IS A STUDY THAT TAKES YOU ACROSS THE ROAD TO THE OTHER SIDE. AERIAL PERSPECTIVE TWO CAR GARAGE ON ONE SIDE, ONE CAR GARAGE ON THE OTHER. THAT AGAIN IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE WOULD FUNCTION AS A SALES OFFICE FOR THE FOR THE REALTORS. NORTH ENTRANCE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT THERE IS NOT OCCUPIABLE SPACE ON THE GOLF COURSE SIDE OF THE ROAD, BUT JUST FOR SAFE MEASURES. WE BUMPED OUT THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ZONING BOUNDARIES TO INCLUDE THAT AREA AS WELL. SO AGAIN, ATTACHED THREE CAR GARAGE, COVERED WALK. WELL COVERED WALK OVER OVER OVER THE ROAD WITH A STAIRWELL THAT ALSO LEADS DOWN TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. PUBLIC SIDEWALKS ON ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, AND A COUPLE OF ILLUSTRATIONS OF THESE SPECIFIC THINGS AS I AS I WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE. I ALSO HAVE A DECK. NEAL, YOU ASKED ABOUT SOME OF THE GRAPHICS OF THE HOME. IS THAT. YEAH, YOU'VE JUST SHOWN. SO THE IDEA IS INCORPORATING PRIMARILY STONE STRUCTURES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH BRICK ACCENTS, STILL TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE. NOT NECESSARILY TIDEWATER GEORGIAN ARCHITECTURE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THERE'S AN ARCHITECT OUT OF PHILADELPHIA BY THE NAME OF OKEY, OKEY. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE REFERENCE OR THE EXAMPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EMULATE. SO IT IS A COMBINATION OF MASONRY STONE BRICK AND SOME CLAPBOARD SIDING. IN SOME, IN SOME INSTANCES WE WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO. THE OBJECTIVE IS TO FIND A QUARRY. RIGHT NOW WE'VE IDENTIFIED ONE QUARRY IN KANSAS, ANOTHER QUARRY IN MINNESOTA WHERE ALL OF THE STONE WOULD COME FROM, SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH A GRAY STONE HOUSE NEXT TO, I KNOW WHAT, ONE THAT'S A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT TOWN OR A DIFFERENT COLOR. JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE DETAILING SLATE ROOFS. IT WOULD BE A THE HOMES WE ANTICIPATE BEING A COMBINATION OF BRICK AND STONE. AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ROAD SYSTEM IN THE IN WITHIN THE CLOSE, THE DETAILS WILL BE IDENTICAL TO THOSE IN EDGE OF WOODS. SO IT WOULD BE A BRICK PAVER WITH GRANITE CURBS. THE MOTOR COURTS, EXCUSE ME, THE

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I THINK IT'S ROUGHLYT IN WIDTH. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SUBAREA THREE FOR SETBACKS IN THE TEXT. THERE'S A NEW ADDITION TO THAT IN BEFORE THIS, AS STRUCTURES SHALL BE PERMITTED TO ENCROACH INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EXTEND ACROSS LOT LINES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN SO THAT THAT SUBAREA THREE IS THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE AND THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE? CORRECT. THAT'S THAT STIPULATION IN THE TEXT IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE STRUCTURES THAT EXTEND OVER THE ROAD. SO. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. IT'S ALL ABOUT SPACE ABOVE. IT'S ABOUT SPACE ABOVE THE ROAD. CORRECT. CORRECT. WELL I SHOULD I SHOULD BE CLEAR. IT'S ABOUT SPACE ABOVE THE ROAD. THE ROAD WITHIN BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS WILL BE 20FT IN WIDTH. AND THE STRUCTURES, IF YOU CAN

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IN ALL THREE OF THOSE LOCATIONS. OKAY. CAN WE TIGHTEN DOWN THE WORDING ON ROMANS 634 AND SIMILAR SO THAT IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE. SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION. YOU DON'T NEED AN ON THE GROUND RIGHT OF WAY INCURSION. YES OR NO. WE DO NOT NEED AN ON THE GROUND ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE STRUCTURE. WHAT WE NEED IS TO BE OVER IT. IT'S ESSENTIALLY AIR RIGHTS. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE THE AIR CONDITIONER WAS ABOUT TO ASK, IS THAT. THAT BE CODIFIED THAT. NO. ON THE GROUND INCURSION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ALLOWED. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT, TOO. YEAH. SURE. I THOUGHT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A COUPLE LITTLE CORNERS, THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, LIKE THE COLUMNS, I GUESS I'D JUST BE HESITANT TO THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT EXTEND WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. THE STATUTE IS NOT EXTENDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S IN THE ZONING TEXT THAT GOES TO THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE TRACKING CONDITIONS.

ROMANS SIX 6070 3B4 IS AN EXAMPLE, AND IT PROBABLY ECHOES INTO THE OTHER SUB AREA. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE THE STANDALONE DOCUMENT, YOU CAN GO OVER TOP OF, BUT NOT THERE, NOT ON THE GROUND. SO THAT WOULD BE A ZONING CHANGE. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE AREA? SUB AREA TWO 5B4 AS WELL BP4. THAT'S RIGHT OKAY. SO LET ME FIND THE ZONING CHANGE. WHICH ONE OF THESE NUMBERS IS THE ZONING CHANGE. THAT'S ZC 48 2025. THANK YOU. COUNCIL ZONING AMENDMENT. ZONING CHANGE 48 OKAY. THREE CONDITIONAL FOR. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A THREE FOR THREE AS FIRE DEPARTMENT MANDATES. ZONING CHANGE 48. IS IT TM NO. NO. SO THE NUMBER THREE. ZC 48. YEAH THAT THE I HAD I HAVE IT I HAVE THE NUMBER THREE. FIRST THE MEETING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MANDATES IS THAT PROPERLY THE ZONING CHANGE OR IN THE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I'D PROBABLY DO THE FTP IF WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE ROADWAY WITH. SO IT ALSO INCLUDES STEEL FRAMES AND SPRINKLERS AND OTHER MANDATES BEYOND. JUST TO ENFORCE THAT SUGGESTION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE THE LATITUDE THEY NEED. RIGHT. I TALKED ABOUT STEEL FRAMES. I TALKED ABOUT IRRIGATION. I KNOW THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS THAT INCLUDE ANNUAL INSPECTION, FOR EXAMPLE, OF THOSE STRUCTURES. IF YOU'RE OKAY, I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO JUST LEAVE IT AT. YOU NEED THE ENDORSEMENT AND APPROVAL OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. WHICH ONE DOES THAT ONE GO? THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS 35 FOR FTP 35, RIGHT? YEP. OKAY. SO LET ME MOVE MY THIRD CONDITION, WHICH BECOMES. OKAY, HAS FIVE FROM STAFF, SIX FIRE DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. OR DEPARTMENT STAFF APPROVE MANDATES. STAFF. AND SO. OKAY SO THREE ON THE ZONING CHANGE. I'M STILL NOT CLEAR

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OH IT'S NOT THE ZONING CHANGE I GUESS. PROBABLY BOTH. YEAH. SORRY. OR THE ZONING CHANGE APPLIES TO HOW MUCH PROPERTY ALL OF IT. OR JUST A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T GO THERE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T WEIGHT IS THAT HANG ON. IT MAY BE THE EXACT EXACTLY WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, BECAUSE THE SMALL PROPERTIES THAT ARE PART OF THE ZONING CHANGE ARE THESE THREE RIGHT OR NOT, OR THE ZONING CHANGE IS WHERE WE BRING IN PIECES FROM THE GOLF COURSE. SO IT'S ALL IT'S CHANGES WHERE WE'RE CHANGING THE GOLF COURSE ON NORTH AND SOUTH ENTRANCE, BUT NOT AT THE CLOSE. OKAY. CLOSE. SO IT DOESN'T GO IN THE ZONING CHANGE GOES IN TEXT MOD MOD MOD TEXT MOD FOR IS NO GROUND LEVEL ENCROACHMENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. YEAH, I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. GO AHEAD. BRIAN JUST MADE ME AWARE OF WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR. A SECOND, THAT'S TEXT. OH SO THERE IS TWO AND THREE. TWO, THREE. OKAY. AND WE'VE GOT SUBAREAS. WE'VE GOT THE TEXT. SO IT'S ON PAGE THREE AND IT'S SUBAREA THREE IS ROMAN SIX B FOUR. AND THE OTHER ONE IS ROMAN 5B4. ARE YOU ADDING THAT INTO THE FOUR. YEAH. JUST NOTING THAT THOSE ARE THE AREAS OF THE TEXT THAT WHERE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT TEXT HAS TO BE MODIFIED SO THAT IT DOES NOT ALLOW GROUND LEVEL ENCROACHMENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A BLANKET. WE CAN ENCOURAGE THE RIGHT OF WAY ANYWHERE. I'M WITH YOU. THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE PIECE THAT I, WE WERE JUST WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING. AND I THINK THIS GRAPHIC THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW ILLUSTRATES IT REALLY WELL. SO THIS IS THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE, HEAD OF POND AND PARK ROAD. THIS DIMENSION, IT SAYS GATE. THAT'S NOT A GATED ROAD. YOU'LL EVEN OUT THERE TODAY. THOSE ARE FAKE GATES. THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. THIS DIMENSION IS 20FT, RIGHT. SO THE PAVEMENT FROM BACK OF CURB TO BACK OF CURB, RIGHT, IS 20FT. THAT'S ALL. PUBLICLY DEDICATED, RIGHT OF WAY. BEYOND THAT, DIRECTLY BACK OF THAT CURB, WE HAVE A COVERED WALK AND WE HAVE OCCUPIABLE STRUCTURE. SO THE DIMENSION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THAT AREA WILL BE 20FT. BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE A STRUCTURE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN THAT ZONE. 21 PICKS UP THE CURB, RIGHT. OKAY, OKAY.

SO STAFF SQUARE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. JUST FOR MINUTES PURPOSES. IT WILL NOT BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. BUT IN THAT SECTION THE RIGHT OF WAY NARROWS. SO IT STARTS OUT LARGER. WHEN YOU GO UNDER GO UNDER THE STRUCTURE, IT NARROWS AND THEN IT OPENS BACK UP.

CORRECT? OKAY. CORRECT. AND THIS TEXT ONLY APPLIES TO THE PARTICULAR LOT. TEXT APPLIES TO.

FOUR LOTS BASICALLY. SO WE'VE GOT THE 118 106 PAIR. RIGHT. IS THAT THE CORRECT NUMBERS. SO 118 106 IS A PAIR AND IT APPLIES TO THE TOP ENTRANCE. DO WE HAVE A LOT NUMBER I DON'T KNOW OFF THE

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GOT IT. AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, I'M NOT A FAN OF OVER STUFF OVER THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO SINCE THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND A TEXT MODIFICATION IS NOT A VARIANCE ANYWHERE ELSE, THIS WOULD BE A VARIANCE, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. BUT SINCE A PUD WRITES ITS OWN RULES, WE'RE WRITING THOSE RULES HERE. YES. OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS SETTING PRECEDENCE AS A VARIANCE. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS THE ME PREVENTING US SEEING THIS EXCEPT IN VERY CAREFULLY CONTROLLED CIRCUMSTANCES. YEP. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT. AND IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS IT OKAY. REZONE THE WHOLE PROPERTY OR THERE'S THAT PART AND WE'LL TALK. YEP. OKAY. SO. SO THERE'S A THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MANDATES I PRESUME THAT INCLUDES A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF CLEARANCE. YES. OKAY. THE STIPULATION WAS 13FT FIVE OR AT 14. SEVEN, 14, SEVEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND THAT NUMBER WILL EVENTUALLY BE CODIFIED INTO THIS. YES. OKAY. I THINK THAT THAT THAT NUMBER IN THOSE DIMENSIONS AND CONSTRUCTION STIPULATION WILL BE CODIFIED AS PART OF THAT CONDITION. CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. AND A MINIMUM HEIGHT DOES NOT JUST WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS, BUT ALSO WHAT A TRUCK NEEDS. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. THAT WAS ALSO ON MY LIST OF. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I WAS ABOUT TO ASK YOU, DO YOU KNOW HOW TALL A FIRE TRUCK IS? YEAH. THANK YOU. AND BUILDING STANDARDS. NOW I NEED TO GO LOOK UP. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM OTHERS. LOOKING THROUGH THESE.

OKAY. SO THE FRONT DOORS THAT DON'T FACE THE STREET, CAN WE DELINEATE THOSE. SO THAT IS LOT LOT 102 AND 103. THAT'S THIS LOT AND THIS LOT. AND IT'S ALSO THE ENTRANCE LOT 139 I THINK I SHOWED YOU THE ILLUSTRATION OF FROM THE THESE LOTS ARE QUITE LARGE. THEY ARE JUST SHY OF TWO ACRES. SO THE HOME ORIENTATION WITH THE PONDS WILL IS I DON'T KNOW WHERE FOLKS ARE GOING TO KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO ORIENT THEIR HOME. I IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THAT THEY'LL PULL IT UP NEXT TO THE ROAD. THEY HAVE A TWO ACRE LOT, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THAT DESIGN GUIDELINE FOR THOSE THREE LOTS. IS FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE REQUIRED IN THE TEXT? YES. OKAY.

SO QUICKLY YEAH IT'S A BASELINE STANDARD AND IT APPLIES HERE. YES OKAY. AND THOSE LOTS ARE DELINEATED IN THIS I DIDN'T CATCH. YES OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT IT DOWN TO A SPECIFIC SET OF LOTS.

AND BECAUSE OF ZONING TEXT DOESN'T SET A PRECEDENCE OKAY. THE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DID THIS ON REYNOLDSBURG NEW ALBANY WITH THE TWO HOUSES THAT FACE EACH OTHER. YEAH. ALL THE ARBORVITAE IN THE WORLD GREW TO SHIELD IT FROM US, BUT IT ONLY PULLS IT OFF ABOUT HALF AS GOOD AS IT WAS

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YEAH, OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE OPINIONS ON THAT ONE. I'M READY NEIL. OKAY. SO I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY CLUB. EXACTLY. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT HELPS TO CREATE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE'RE NOT REALLY CREATING A PRECEDENT. IT'S DIFFERENT. OKAY. GOOD TO. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE DOWN TO THE MOTIONS. THAT'S TOM ARE YOU GOOD WITH US PUTTING THE ADDITIONAL STUFF THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT IN THE RECORD. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO RUN. IF NO ONE MINDS I WILL RUN THE DOCUMENTS MOTIONS ALL FOUR OF THEM FIRST. SO WE GET THOSE OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN WE'LL SWITCH TO THE INDIVIDUAL CASES. WE HAVE TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. YOU CAN COOPERATE TOGETHER. I WOULD DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. GOT IT? I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR ZONING CHANGE. 48 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENT, INCLUDING THE ITEMS PRESENTED TONIGHT THAT WERE NOT IN OUR PACKET? DO YOU APPROVE? YEAH. DIDN'T WE SEE SOME DEPICTIONS THAT WEREN'T NORFOLK? YES WE DID. SO THE ELEVATIONS, ALL THE ELEVATIONS WERE NEW. YEAH. LET'S MAKE SURE THOSE ARE IN THE RECORD AS WELL. OKAY. OTHER AND YOU, YOU AGREE OF THE CHANGE TO THE MOTION THAT YOU MADE. YOU SECOND THAT I MADE. YES. OKAY. SO YES THAT PART DONE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION OR DOCUMENTS FOR THE ZONING CHANGE THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES.

MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR. LARSEN? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL ELEVATIONS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. SAME MOTION PROTECTS MODIFICATION 49. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SAME SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT MOTION? OKAY. THE ROLL FOR THE DOCUMENTS ON THE TEXT MODIFICATION, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. LARSEN. YES, MISS. BRIGGS YES. MR. SHELL? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS ON THE TEXT MODIFICATION. SAME MOTION. FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 35. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. AND DISCUSSION THE MOTION OF THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE? SORRY, SORRY. JUMPED AGAIN? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSEN? YES. MR. SHELL? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND FINALLY, THE SAME MOTION FOR FINAL PLAT 40. THE FINAL PLAT FOR THIS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE FINAL PLAT DOCUMENTS? MOTION TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY. YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MISS. BRIGGS. YES, MR. LARSON? YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT.

THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE FINAL PLAT TAKES US BACK TO ACTUAL MOTIONS ON THE ACTUAL ITEMS. I PRESUME STAFF WANTS THESE IN THE ORDER PRESENTED, PLEASE. OKAY. SO IT TAKES IT TO THE ZONING CHANGE.

SO JUST A JUST A POINT OF ORDER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH REGARD TO. APPLICATION ZC 48 2025 DO ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE ADDED TO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER CASES APPLY HERE? I DON'T THINK SO. GOOD. THAT'S WHAT I HAD, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. THANK YOU. FOR YOUR MOTION FOR ZONING CHANGE, 48 FOR THE MOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE ITSELF. MOVE TO APPROVE.

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WHO GOT THE SECOND? TONS? GOT IT. OKAY. AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE ZONING CHANGE.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. WALLACE. YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSEN? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. TAKES US TO TEXT MODIFICATION 49. DEER. A MOTION ON THE TEXT MODIFICATION ITSELF. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT? NIELSEN? WAITING TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO. I COULD DO IT. MOVE TO APPROVE ZONING TEXT MODIFICATION APPLICATION TM 49 2025. SUBJECT TO THE TWO CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, PLUS A THIRD CONDITION THAT THE TEXT BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW STAFF TO APPROVE SIGNAGE AND GRAPHICS. AND A FOURTH CONDITION THAT THERE BE NO GROUND LEVEL ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY. THIS WOULD REFER TO TEXT SECTIONS ROMAN NUMERAL SIX, B FOUR, AND ROMAN NUMERALS. SECTION 5B4. RELATING I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MENTION THE LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THERE. CAN WE PUT THE LOTS ON THERE? WE CAN. LOTS 108 116, 135, 139 AND 140 ONLY THOSE OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? THE MOTION? ARE THE CONDITIONS CLEAR? THANK YOU. PLEASE, MR. WALLACE. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSON? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. SHELL? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE. AND THE TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, THE STAFF APPROVAL OF SIGNAGE AND GRAPHICS. AND NUMBER FOUR, NO GROUND LEVEL ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THE NORTH AND SOUTH ENTRANCE. THAT'S ROMANS 6B4 AND 5B4 LOTS 139 ONE 4135 108 AND 116, IF I MAY ONLY THOSE IF I MAY. YOU SAID NORTH AND SOUTH ENTRANCE. IT ALSO WHAT WE LISTED IS MORE THAN JUST THE NORTH AND SOUTH ENTRANCE. IT PICKS UP THE ENTRANCE TO THE CLOSE. THE LOT NUMBERS WOULD DO IT FOR YOU. OKAY. I'LL CORRECT THAT. OKAY.

AND IS THAT. DOES THAT MATCH WHAT YOU HAD FOR CONDITIONS? DAVE. YEAH, I JUST I JUST HAD THE TWO EXTRA CONDITIONS. GREAT. TAKES US TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 35. I ONLY HAVE ONE EXTRA CONDITION. NUMBER SIX FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENT MANDATES SUBJECT TO APPROVAL, INCLUDING MINIMUM HEIGHT AND BUILDING STANDARDS. OH, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT. MINIMUM HEIGHT, STANDARD MINIMUM HEIGHT, MINIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE UNDERPASS AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS THAT THEY SUGGEST. GOT IT. OKAY. NOTING THAT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NUMBER, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS OF MOVING TRUCKS. OKAY. OKAY, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FTP 35 2025. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE FIVE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, PLUS A SIXTH CONDITION THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MANDATES BE MET, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. AND THIS INCLUDES MINIMUM HEIGHT AND BUILDING STANDARDS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAY REQUIRE. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO ADD THAT ALSO ALLOWS FOR DANCE? WOULD YOU CARE TO ADD THAT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT IS ALLOWS FOR MOVING VANS AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE TALLER THAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? TOM'S GOOD WITH THAT. IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DICTATING THAT NO FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS LESS SPACE THAN THE MOVERS DO? AND SO I DIDN'T WANT US AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NUMBER. THEN THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE A SEPARATE. THIS THIS ONE IS FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT. IF WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER ONE ON, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE A CONDITION THAT SAYS THAT MINIMUM HEIGHTS HEIGHT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW FOR ACCESS. LET'S DO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. SURE. MINIMUM HEIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, HOW SHOULD WE PUT THAT SUFFICIENT FOR ACCESS. SUBJECT STAFF APPROVAL. NOTING

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OKAY. OKAY. I'M GOING TO MODIFY THE MOTION. THE SIX CONDITION IS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MANDATES BE MET SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE MINIMUM HEIGHT AND STANDARD AND BUILDING STANDARDS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD REQUIRE. AND A SEVENTH CONDITION THAT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT BE SUFFICIENT FOR ACCESS OF VEHICLE OF ALL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THAT BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. OKAY. I THINK DONE. WHICH ONE IS? 25 2025 OKAY. I WILL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ROLL PLEASE, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSEN? YES, MR. SHELL. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MANDATES BE MET, INCLUDING THE MINIMUM HEIGHT AND BUILDING STANDARDS, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. AND THE SEVENTH CONDITION, THE MINIMUM THAT WOULD BE MINIMUM HEIGHT SUFFICIENT FOR ACCESS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL OF VEHICULAR ACCESS. A VEHICLE ACCESS IN CONDITIONS OF, AND THAT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. I DID SAY THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. TAKES US THROUGH THE FINAL PLAT 40 MOVE TO APPROVE FINAL PLAT APPLICATION FPL 40 2025. SUBJECT TO THE THREE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. OKAY, I SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION? THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. LARSON. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. GOOD LUCK. TAKES US TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION. 37 CANADIAN MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL AS THE VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AT THE SAME TIME IF THAT'S OKAY WITH FORTH OKAY. SO THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS HEARD AND APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS IN APRIL. AND ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS BEING THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE FLIPPED ON THE SITE LOCATION. BUT AFTER WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIGN, A COUPLE OTHER CHANGES WERE MADE THAT CAUSED IT TO COME BACK FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE TWO VARIANCES BEING FOR ONE FOR LOTS A LOT SPLIT. THAT WOULD CAUSE A LOT TO NOT HAVE STREET FRONTAGE WHICH WAS HEARD AT THE APRIL 21ST MEETING AS WELL, BUT IS BEING RECONSIDERED DUE TO CHANGES ON THE SITE AS WELL AS THE ELIMINATION OF SCREENING ON A DUMPSTER, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES. AND THEN, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS LOCATED BEHIND THE TWO HOTELS ON FOREST DRIVE AND IN FRONT OF THE NEW ALBANY ESTATES. SO ON THE LEFT IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS THE NEW PROPOSED ONE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BUILDINGS WERE FLIPPED AND THE DRIVE AISLES WERE SLIGHTLY CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE.

SO FOR THE SITE LAYOUT IN LOT ONE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY 9170FT■!S ON A 1.19 ACRE LOT. IN LOT TWO WAS 5845FT■!S ON A 0.89 ACRE LO. NOW, WITH IT BEING FLIPPED AND THE CHANGE TO THE BUILDING SIZE LOT ONE IS NOW THE 5845FT■!S ONA SLIGHTLY SMALLER LOT AT 0.86 ACRES. AND BUILDING BUILDING ON LOT TWO WILL NOW BE 10,640FT■!SN A LOT OF 1.39 ACRES. LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE MOST OF THE CHANGES ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBLE. AND AGAIN, ON THE LEFT IS THE APPROVED ONE AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED ONE. AND THE STARS ARE HIGHLIGHTING WHERE THE TWO

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OKAY. GOOD EVENING. LARRY KENNEDY, CANADIAN ASSOCIATES, 3841 MAN ROAD, BLACKLICK. I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO, IN ESSENCE, KIND OF REPRESENT THIS FROM FOUR WEEKS AGO. SIX WEEKS AGO MAYBE. PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE WE IN OUR REMAINDER OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE POST PRESENTATION TO YOU FOLKS A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE WERE SURPRISED TO LEARN WE HAD SOME WEAPONS ON THE SITE. WE JUST SOME QUICK HISTORY. WE HAD SOLD THIS PROPERTY. I SAY WE NEW ALBANY COMPANY CANINI WITH JOINT VENTURES ON THIS ENTIRE PROJECT. IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL WAS SOLD TO A LOCAL DOCTOR WHO WAS GOING TO BUILD KIND OF A LARGE MASTER FACILITY FOR HIS PRACTICE DURING COVID, HE DETERMINED OR POST COVID, HE LEARNED AND KIND OF DETERMINED THAT HE WAS BETTER SUITED TO HAVE SATELLITE OFFICES WITHIN CENTRAL OHIO INSTEAD OF ONE BIG FACILITY. SO HE APPROACHED ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU SPECIALIZE IN MEDICAL. WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH IT? SO WE HAD MADE A SUGGESTION THAT HE COULD DO A LARGE OFFICE AND LEASE OUT SPACE OR PARTNER WITH OTHER PRACTICES, WHATEVER. HE OPTED NOT TO DO ANY OF THAT AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO SELL IT. I SAID, OKAY, THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL IT, I'M GOING TO BUY IT BACK. SO WE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. WE HAD BEEN IRONICALLY TALKING WITH A PRACTICE, AND I THINK I MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING THAT HAD BEEN LOOKING AT THE SITES AT BETTELHEIM ACROSS FROM BROADWAY BOUND, THAT UNFORTUNATELY NEVER REALLY CAME TOGETHER. SO SOME OF THOSE FOLKS KIND OF APPROACHED US AND SAID, COULD WE FIND THEM A SITE? SO THIS KIND OF BECAME THAT SITE THAT. SO WHAT WE LEARNED IS KIND OF THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. WE CAME TO LEARN THAT THERE WERE WETLANDS. WE DID A DELINEATION. THE SELLER COOPERATED IN GIVING US THE TIME TO DO THE DELINEATION. AND WE DID GET CONFIRMATION FROM THE CORPS. SO OUR DECISION, IF YOU GO BACK, KYLIE, TO THE TWO, THE PREVIOUS PLAN AND THE PROPOSED PLAN. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THIS GENERAL AREA, WE HAD TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT. AND FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLAN, OUR PREDETERMINED CLIENT THAT HAS COMMITTED TO THIS ENTIRE BUILDING, THEY WERE AT THE SOUTHERN END. AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO DO A SPECULATIVE BUILDING AT THE NORTHERN END. SO ONCE WE LEARNED OF THE WETLAND SITUATION, WE OBVIOUSLY, IN LIGHT OF ALL THAT THAT PARTICULAR PRACTICE HAS GONE THROUGH WITH THE LOSS OF THE SITE, THE LAST THING WE WANTED TO DO WAS PUT THEM IN A POSITION TO DEAL WITH THE WETLANDS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD COME ABOUT FROM THAT. SO WE SUGGESTED TO THAT CLIENT, WOULD THEY BE COMFORTABLE IF WE JUST BASICALLY FLIPPED THE PLAN, AND THEN WE WOULD DEAL WITH THE WETLANDS ON OUR SPEC BUILDING? SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE. THE OTHER THING THAT WE REALIZED WAS A PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE, AND WE WEREN'T SURE OF THE OUTCOME OF THAT SITUATION, WAS THAT CROSS PARKING AGREEMENT THAT NATO AND US SMITHVILLE VENTURES HAD DONE WITH THE ESTATE BANQUET CENTER TO

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AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT, WHAT, 50 ACRES STAFF OF THE FUTURE WETLAND PARK OFF KITZMILLER ROAD THAT WE'VE ALL KNOWN ABOUT FOR YEARS. SO OBVIOUSLY WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT PROTECTED. IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS COLORED SLIDE THAT KYLIE HAD UP, YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE KEPT A ENTIRE BUFFER HERE TO PROTECT ALL THAT. SO WE DID NOT SHOW ANY PARKING OR ANYTHING INTO IT.

THAT WAY WE CAN MAINTAIN THE TREE LINE, PROTECT THAT TREE LINE, PROTECT THE WETLANDS. WE DO HAVE A SMALL AREA HERE THAT WAS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS A WETLAND THAT WE WILL FILL TO OBVIOUSLY GET US THE PARKING WE'RE GOING TO NEED FOR THIS FACILITY. SO THAT'S REALLY WHY I'M HERE. IT'S JUST KIND OF THE DYNAMICS THAT CAME ABOUT POST DUE DILIGENCE AND POST OUR APPROVAL. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ASKING THE COMMISSION TO DO THIS IN LIGHT OF PROBABLY SOME THINGS WE SHOULD HAVE DONE AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE DIDN'T, IN THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE DIDN'T THINK THERE'D BE ANY WETLANDS THERE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF YOU GO BACK TO SOME GOOGLE MAPS, THIS WHOLE LOT WAS USED AS A CONSTRUCTION, STORAGE AND FACILITY FOR THE ESTATE FOLKS SO I COULD PULL UP A SLIDE WHERE IT IS TOTALLY LEVELED AND THERE'S NOTHING ON IT BUT TRAILERS AND STEEL AND WOOD. SO WE WERE SHOCKED TO SEE THAT WETLANDS HAD KIND OF REAPPEARED ON THE SITE. SO. SO YEAH, THAT'S PRIMARILY WHY I'M HERE. I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAD MENTIONED IN THEIR REPORT WAS THE ACCESS HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT WE HAD PRIOR. HONESTLY, PRIOR WE HAD STRUGGLING WITH THIS THING TONIGHT. YEAH. SO PRIOR WHEN WE WERE NOT DEALING WITH WETLANDS, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THE SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT. WE HAD CREATED MORE OF A OVER KIND OF A FLOW SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE SHE WAS COMMITTED. SHE WAS A DESTINATION. SHE'S AN ORAL MAXILLOFACIAL SURGEON, AND WE WERE GOING TO BE THE, IN ESSENCE, MIXED USE OR SPEC BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY MULTIPLE TENANTS. IN LIGHT OF THIS CHANGE, SHE IS MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT SHE KIND OF HAS HER OWN PARKING LOT. HER OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE REALLY IS NOT TOO THRILLED ABOUT OTHER VEHICLES COMING THROUGH HER PROPERTY TO GET TO OUR PROPERTY. SO IN ESSENCE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ASKED FOR THE SINGLE ACCESS POINT OFF OF THIS SHARED DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS TO THE ESTATE. AND AGAIN, THAT SAME SHARED DRIVEWAY LEADS TO THIS SHARED PARKING THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO WITH THE ESTATE. SO NOW THE FOLKS AT THE ESTATE ON FRIDAY EVENINGS, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS WILL HAVE USE OF ANY AND ALL OF OUR PARKING. AND THEN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY WE WILL HAVE THE USE OF THIS ROAD THAT YOU SEE HERE. WILL IS OBVIOUSLY HERE THAT WE WILL HAVE USE FOR MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FOR ANY STAFF PARKING AND SUCH WITHIN OUR MEDICAL BUILDING. THE CONDITION, I THINK, THAT STAFF HAS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT IS ONE THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS THAT RIGHT IS BASICALLY THE CONCERN. KYLIE, IF YOU WOULD KINDLY PULL UP THE GOOGLE AREA MAP. KEEP IN MIND THIS DRIVEWAY, WHICH WAS COMPLETED BY THE ESTATE AS PART OF THEIR COMMITMENT TO HAVE THIS BACK AREA AND YOU CAN SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS IF YOU RECALL THAT THEY SAVED AS WELL BACK HERE. SO KUDOS TO THEM. THEY DID A GREAT JOB. ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF FOREST DRIVE ITSELF, AND I DID ALL THE ENTITLEMENTS OBVIOUSLY, FOR THIS PROJECT. FOREST DRIVE IS A PUBLIC STREET. THIS ROAD HERE WHICH IS CALLED WOODCREST, THIS ROAD HERE, WHICH IS ALSO WOODCREST THAT NOW EXTENDS OUT TO SMITHVILLE, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING A RETAIL CENTER HERE. OBVIOUSLY, THE PROPRIETOR OF THE BALLET IS SITTING RIGHT TO MY RIGHT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL REALIZE THOSE ARE PRIVATE STREETS. THOSE

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THOSE COMPANIES, THOUGH, THEY COMMIT TO A CERTAIN DAY OF THE WEEK TO COME AND PICK UP THAT COMMITMENT THEN HAS TO BE MONITORED BY THE STAFF PRACTICE OR THE PRACTICE MANAGER. SO THAT MEANS SOMEBODY HAS TO GO OPEN THOSE GATES, BECAUSE THAT DRIVER DOES NOT GET OUT OF THE TRUCK TO OPEN THOSE GATES. SO THE MINUTE THEY MISS A DAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DRIVER OR SNOW ISSUES OR WHATEVER, THEN IT GETS MISSED. AND WHEN THAT GETS MISSED, THEN IT PILES UP EVEN MORE. AND THE PILE UP PROBLEM REALLY IS ALSO A BYPRODUCT OF THE CLEANING COMPANIES THAT COME AND DO THE OFFICE CLEANING IN THE EVENINGS. IF THAT GATE IS CLOSED, THEY DON'T OPEN THE GATE TO GO LIFT THE DUMPSTER AND THROW THE TRASH IN. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO? THEY TOSS IT UP AND OVER WITHOUT EVEN WORRYING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE AT NIGHT WHEN NOBODY SEES THEM.

SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH ANY KIND OF ENCLOSED DUMPSTER, AND I COULD SHOW YOU PHOTOS FROM MY PHONE WHERE PEOPLE WILL PUBLIC AND PEOPLE WITHIN THAT OFFICE PARK, PEOPLE WILL USE THOSE WALLS AND THOSE GATES TO THROW OLD FURNITURE AND CHAIRS AND STUFF THAT THEY DON'T NEED ANYMORE INTO THAT ENCLOSED BRICK AREA. AND NO ONE WILL EVER WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND THE WALLS AND BEHIND THE GATES. WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXPOSED DUMPSTER THAT IS SCREENED BY LANDSCAPING.

MY STAFF MYSELF WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH MY OFFICE PARKS, IF SOMETHING DIDN'T MAKE IT IN THE DUMPSTER, THEN I KNOW IT DIDN'T, AND I GET UP AND PUT IT IN THE DUMPSTER. IF IT'S BEHIND THE GATE OR HALF THE GATES OPEN, NOBODY SEES IT. SO I HAVE FOUND THROUGH THE YEARS THAT YOU'RE ALMOST BETTER OFF NOT HAVING THE GATES IN THE ENCLOSURE, BECAUSE IT ENDS UP BEING TIDIER INSTEAD OF WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE, ONLY ASKING FOR THREE SIDES AND NOT ASKING FOR A GATE. NO NO NO NO. WELL, ORIGINALLY NO. THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENT IS A IS A WALL AND A GATE. CORRECT. SO THAT'S MY FIRST REQUEST. SECOND REQUEST IS YES. WE FAILED IN OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW ALL THE SIDES, THE THREE SIDES SCREENED. SO WE WILL AGREE TO COMMIT TO AND I APOLOGIZE THESE THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE ALSO BE SCREENED. SO I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE QUESTIONING THE IDEA THAT WE WERE MOVING AWAY FROM CODE REQUIREMENT. I WANTED YOU TO WALK ME THROUGH WHY THEY WEREN'T SCREENED AND WHERE THE HARDSHIP WAS. AND THIS IS A VARIANCE, WHICH MEANS IT IS PRECEDENT SETTING. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DUMPSTERS IN TOWN, AND WE'RE NOT PROBABLY DONE PUTTING DUMPSTERS DOWN IN TOWN. AND SO AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED SMITHVILLE OFFICE PARK IN 15 YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE WEREN'T WE DID NOT DO WALLS AND GATES THEN. DOES OUR SCREENING REQUIREMENT CALL FOR STRUCTURE OR WILL LANDSCAPE MEET IT? IT CAN BE EITHER OR SO. LANDSCAPING ON THREE SIDES OF THE DUMPSTER WOULD MEAN NO VARIANCE REQUIRED. CORRECT. DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? THAT'S FOR SURE. SO THE PRECEDENTS FOR YOU, IT DOESN'T SET ANY PRECEDENT AT ALL. AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE DON'T. NO, NO. KEEP IN MIND, MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WENT THIS ROUTE AS WELL IS BECAUSE WE ARE WELL OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND VISIBLE RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE BACK HERE. NOW, THE NEXT PRESENTATION WE MAKE ON OUR RETAIL DRIVE THROUGH, YOU WILL SEE AN IDENTIFIED BRICK GATED DUMPSTER AREA BECAUSE IT IS MORE VISIBLE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO YOU DON'T NEED VARIANCE BE IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SAY WE ELIMINATE VARIANCE BE. AND WE HAD A CONDITION THAT THERE'S THREE SIDES UNLESS IT'S REQUIRED. WELL HE'S ONLY PROVIDING TWO. IT SAYS IN THE REPORT. IN BOTH LOCATIONS. CORRECT. IN BOTH LOCATIONS. YEAH. YEAH. WE NEED THE THREE SIDES TO BE SCREENED FROM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FROM THE OPPOSING PROPERTIES. IT WOULD BE VISIBLE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S CALLING FOR IT TO HAVE.

THIRD ONE, WHERE IT'S THE FRONT OF IT, IS THE SERVICE SIDE. THAT'S HOW WE WROTE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT. IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET OR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, SO IT WOULDN'T NEED THAT SCREENING. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT. SO I'M NOT SURE. OPEN ON THE SERVICE SIDE, WHATEVER THAT HAPPENS TO BE AND SCREENED ON THE OTHER THREE. DOES THAT WORK? YES. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT FOR SO BRICK WALLS ARE NOWHERE NEEDED IN ANY OF THIS. SCREENING THIS REPORT. CORRECT.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS IN FRONT OF US. SO. I'M NOT SURE OKAY. SO THE CHANGES WE JUST SAID WILL WIND UP IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION. BECAUSE ZONING

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YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO DUMPSTER IS HANDLED. ALL RIGHT. SO ONE C CARRIES THE DUMPSTER SCREEN FROM THREE SIDES LANDSCAPING SUFFICIENT. SO WE'LL GET A WITHDRAWAL. SO VARIANCE GOES AWAY. GOOD. BECAUSE IT WAS DEAD. SORRY. MY MISTAKE. THEN WE GET TO CROSS ACCESS AND PARKING. A QUESTION ON YOUR INGRESS AND EGRESS ON THE BIGGER BUILDING IN THE PROPOSAL THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS IS CODIFIED SOMEPLACE THAT GOES WITH YOUR DEED. YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THE CROSS ACCESS? YEAH. ACCESS TO THAT DRIVEWAY? YES. THERE IS A RECORDED CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT THAT EXISTS PRIOR TO OR WITH THE ESTATE EVENT CENTER THAT IS RECORDED AND IN PLACE FOR BOTH PARKING AND ACCESS. WHO OWNS THE DRIVE? THE DRIVE IS STILL OWNED BY AND IS ON THE PROPERTY OF THE ESTATE AT, SO WE CAN'T PUT CONDITIONS ON IT ITSELF BECAUSE THE YOU'RE NOT THE PERSON IN CONTROL OF IT, CORRECT? OKAY. IF THAT WERE A PRIVATE STREET, WOULD WE BE HERE AS FAR AS THE ACCESS ISSUE? IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT WAS PLATTED. I'D HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THE ZONING TEXT AND SEE IF IT WAS PETER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF IT WAS A PRIVATE PLATTED AS A PRIVATE STREET. YES. INSTEAD OF COMING ALONG WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. RIGHT. SO IF THAT DRIVEWAY WERE PLANTED AS A PRIVATE STREET COULD BE. YEAH. OKAY. WOULD WE BE HERE IN TERMS OF NEEDING TO SAY YOU'RE LANDLOCKED AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS? IF IT WAS RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD NOT. DEPENDS ON HOW PLATTED. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DID PROVIDE STAFF THE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT. THEY DO HAVE IT ON FILE. WE DID PROVIDE THEM THAT THAT ACTUAL DOCUMENT THAT EXISTS. YOU STOOD UP IN SUPPORT OF THE TRUTH IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE. SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. YEAH. OKAY. STAFF HAS SEEN THAT DOCUMENT. ALL RIGHT. SO BASICALLY THE VARIANCE SAYS WE WANT TO TREAT A DRIVEWAY LIKE A PRIVATE STREET. IT'S IN ROUGH NON-LEGAL TERMS THAT IF THAT DRIVEWAY WERE A PRIVATE STREET WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE. AND SO THE VARIANCE SAYS COULD YOU PLEASE TREAT IT AS ONE. WE'VE GOT THE RECORDED ACCESS IS RECORDED AND GOES WITH THE PROPERTY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT GETTING LOST.

IT'S RECORDED ON THE DEED AS AN EASEMENT IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT. AND THE QUESTION IS JUST CAN WE GO WITH THE ALTERNATIVE VARIANCE? AND KEEP IN MIND THAT DRIVEWAY AGAIN DOES GO OUT TO THE CUL DE SAC OR CIRCLE ROAD THAT IS FOREST DRIVE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IT, IT IS NOT LANDLOCKED IN ITSELF. IT DOES GO TO PUBLIC. RIGHT? NO DIFFERENT THAN THE PROPOSED CURB CUT THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE NORTH BUILDING. THE ONE THING I WILL ADD, DAVID ASKED, YOU HAD ASKED THE QUESTION, THE INCONVENIENCE OF IT, AND I DO OWN A PROPERTY SIMILAR TO THIS, AND IT IS A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE ONE OF THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES HAS OVERFLOW AND THEY END UP PARKING IN THE OTHER DOCTOR'S OFFICE, AND THEN THEY'RE COMPLAINING ALL THE TIME ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING SPOTS. SO FROM A PRACTICALITY STANDPOINT, THIS THIS SOLVES A LOT OF PROBLEMS. NOW, WHETHER WE'RE OKAY WITH IT AS A BOARD, MAYBE SETTING PRECEDENCE.

ANOTHER QUESTION. BUT FOR PRACTICALITY PURPOSES, THIS THIS IS VERY HELPFUL TO BOTH OFFICES.

WILL THE NORTHERN LOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE ESTATE'S PARKING LOT? NO, NO, THAT PARKING IS LIMITED, THAT SHARED PARKING IS LIMITED TO THE SOUTHERN BUILDING AND THE ESTATE. CURRENTLY THIS IS ONE LOT, BUT BUT IT WILL BE LOT SPLIT POST APPROVAL, RIGHT? WE WILL DO A LOT SPLIT SO THAT NORTHERN LOT WHEN THAT LOT SPLIT OCCURS, WILL NOT HAVE ANY OF THE RIGHTS TO THAT PARKING OF THE ESTATE. IS THAT MANDATED BY LAW OR SIMPLY SOMETHING THAT THAT'S BEEN AGREED UPON BETWEEN THE PARTIES, MEANING WE, THE OWNER OF THE ESTATE, HAS AGREED TO THE TERMS THAT THE HE'S AGREED TO

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NOT GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW. EXACTLY. SO SAME THING WITH MY BUILDING. EACH OF THESE PORTS ENTRIES WILL HAVE SIGNAGE OVER THE DOORWAY ONLY. NO GROUND MOUNT SIGN. DO YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR IT? YEAH. WHEN YOU SPLIT THIS, WHAT WILL YOUR ADDRESS BE? I DON'T KNOW, JOSH, IS ENGINEERING ACTUALLY ISSUED AN ADDRESS YET? YEAH. THEY HAVEN'T ISSUED AN ADDRESS YET.

BUT YOU'D HAVE AN ADDRESS OFF FORCE. YEAH, BOTH WILL GET FORCED. NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ESTATE HAS A FOREST ADDRESS. THEIR PROPERTY TOUCHES FOREST. OKAY. YEAH. SO SOUTHERN ONE DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SHARED. WELL, THERE'S ANOTHER POINT OF SHARED. CAN YOU PULL UP THE AREA MAP? YEAH. NO, THESE ARE WHAT I WANT YOU TO SEE IS SEE THIS DETENTION BASIN. IT IS OWNED BY THE ESTATE. BUT THIS PROPERTY HAS THE RIGHTS TO DUMP INTO THAT STORM BASIN. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SHARED SITUATION AS WE DID THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROJECT. WE HAVE REGIONAL BASINS THAT SERVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. SO LET ME CIRCLE YOU BACK TO WHERE WHERE I WAS BEFORE. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SEPARATE ACCESS TO THE DOCTORS BUILDING AND YOUR BUILDING. CORRECT. SEPARATE DRIVE FOR IT OFF THE FLOOR, OFF THE DRIVEWAY, ONE OFF OF FOREST, ONE OFF OF THE DRIVEWAY. ALL RIGHT. AND YOU JUST CONFIRMED YOU. PRESUMABLY YOU WILL HAVE A STREET ADDRESS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, RIGHT? JOSH, ONCE WE FILE A LOT BECAUSE IT'S THERE'S A LOT SPLIT. RIGHT. SO IT'S GOING TO EACH BUILDING WILL HAVE TO HAVE EACH BUILDING WILL HAVE TO HAVE ITS OWN ADDRESS. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO PRESUMABLY WHEN PATIENTS ARE COMING TO EACH BUILDING, THEY'RE GOING TO GOOGLE THE ADDRESS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO SIGNAGE, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KNOW WHERE TO GO? WELL, THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE PORCH. ADDRESS WILL BE ON THE O THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. THEY SEE IT. I MEAN, THEY MAY DRIVE PAST IT. LISTEN, WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND DO A GROUND MOUNT SIGN. GROUND MONUMENT SIGN, BUT I TEND TO NOT. I'M TRYING TO I'M STILL WORKING ON THE IDEA OF, OF MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME CROSS ACCESS ACCESS HERE. BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE INTO THE WRONG BUILDING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DRIVING ALL AROUND. THEY CAN JUST DRIVE IN BETWEEN THE TWO PARCELS IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I'M STILL GETTING AT WHETHER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW WHEN WE DETERMINE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A VARIANCE OR NOT. AND THE VARIANCE YOU'RE ASKING FOR, I THINK IS NOT TO. AT LEAST IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY, AT LEAST IN MY MIND. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT HERE. MR. WALLACE, I COULD

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YEP. ALL RIGHT. ABUTS A PRIVATE DRIVE. ALL RIGHT. THE IDEA OF THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT IS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION. WHICH IS ALREADY IN THERE. SO WE HAVE TO AGREE TO PULL IT OUT. STAFF A QUESTION. IF THEY DO THE LOT SPLIT WITH THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT, THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THEY STILL OWN THE LOT. THE NEW LOT WON'T TOUCH A PUBLIC STREET, CORRECT? YES. SO WHEN IT CAME THE FIRST TIME IT GOT THE LOT SPLIT WAS AT THE FIRST WITH THE EMPTY AS WELL. AND WE IT HAD GOTTEN APPROVED BECAUSE THEY HAD THAT CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT BACK AGAIN TODAY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN IT. REGARDLESS, IT STILL WOULD NEED THE VARIANCE SINCE THE LOT SPLIT WON'T. THE BACK LOT WON'T HAVE FRONTAGE. ALL RIGHT. SO ORIGINALLY VIEWED.

WITH THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS THAT TOOK PART OF THE SPLIT. WE DON'T NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE SECOND PROPERTY. IS THAT WHAT I JUST HEARD. IT STILL NEEDED A VARIANCE THE FIRST TIME. I THINK IT WAS JUST THE REASONING BEHIND WHY WHY IT WAS APPROVED.

SPLITTING THE LOT PERIOD CREATES THE NEED FOR VARIANCE, CORRECT? OKAY, UNLESS THE SPLIT LINE GIVES SOMEBODY A FOOT OF FRONTAGE SOMEWHERE. YEAH, WE WERE IN A IF WE SPLIT THIS WE'RE IN WE'RE IN THE MARKET FOR VARIANCE PERIOD ANYWAY. YES. ANYWAYS IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHERE DO THEY GET THEIR ACCESS. THEY NEED THE VARIANCE TO DO THE SPLIT RIGHT OKAY OKAY. THE SPLIT IS DEAD WITHOUT THE VARIANCE. AND MR. MR. CHAIRMAN OBVIOUSLY THE CONCERN OF THE SELLER IS THEY DID NOT WANT US TO GO DO A LOT SPLIT BEFORE WE HAD APPROVAL OF A PLAN. SO WE'RE DOING A LOT SPLIT POST APPROVAL AND POST-CLOSING. SO ONCE YOU APPROVE IT TONIGHT WE CLOSE IN TWO DAYS. AND THEN WE BEGIN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING YOU A LOT SPLIT PROOF OR JOSH AND HIS TEAM AND STAFF. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS NEEDED FROM COMMISSIONER. NO, NOT FROM ME. NEIL. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTION OR COMMENT ON THIS QUESTION FOR STAFF? HAVE WE DONE THE HEARING FOR BOTH VARIANTS 44 AND 37? HAVE WE COVERED EVERYTHING WE NEED TO COVER? OKAY, I NEED TO OKAY. WE GOT A YES FROM CHRIS. GREAT. I WANTED THAT IN THE RECORD BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE DOING THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION AND SORT OF JUMP TO THE VARIANCE OF THAT, EXPLICITLY STATING THAT THESE TWO WERE TIED. OKAY. GOT IT. SO WHAT THIS TELLS US IS IN THE LESSONS LEARNED PART IS THAT THAT ACCESS FOR THE ESTATE NEEDED TO BE A PUBLIC STREET. IF THAT WAS A PUBLIC STREET TO THE PART THAT THEY USE, THEN ALL THIS WOULD GO AWAY. OKAY, SO PRIVATE ROADS NOT OUR FAVORITE THING. WHAT ROUGHLY WHAT YEAR WAS THAT DONE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? OH GOSH. BEFORE I GOT HERE, PROBABLY EARLY 20 TENS I WOULD SAY THAT YEAH I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ABOUT THAT. AND YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH THE COMMISSION, I THINK ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES WE'VE HAD WITH THIS WHOLE 50 ACRE PROJECT IS THAT WE BUILT THE STREET FIRST, WE BUILT FORCE DRIVE, MADE THE L, SO WE WERE LOCKED INTO THAT AS OUR PUBLIC HAD. WE DONE IT IN PHASES NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING TO COME HERE? I MEAN, DID WE ALL THINK THREE HOTELS WOULD POP UP THERE? NO. DID I THINK HE AND HIS LOVELY WIFE WERE GOING TO GO FROM ONE OF MY BUILDINGS, MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, INTO A BEAUTIFUL, BIG, UGLY BALLET.

YEAH. NO. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF LANDLOCKED AND THEN KIND OF STUCK WITH THESE BACK REAR

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OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WHEN I, WHEN I MAKE THIS MOTION IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT IN IT. UNDERSTOOD. AND I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW I CAN LEAVE I'M OKAY WITH ME NOT BEING THERE. YES I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE B TO REMOVE IT. WELL, WHEN WE PUT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL DOWN WE CAN SAY WHETHER B IS PART OF OUR MOTION OR NOT. WELL, I THINK THE MOTION GETS MADE WITH IT EITHER IN OR OUT. RIGHT. THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS FOR WHOEVER MOVES TO DISCUSS WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. SO THE MOTION RIGHT PASSES. SO I HEAR I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE IN I HEAR TWO COMMISSION MEMBERS SAYING THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH TAKING IT OUT. I COULD SEE IT COMING OUT.

BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE INDEPENDENT TYPE OF BUILDINGS, INDEPENDENT USES. SO I COULD SEE THAT SEPARATION WITHOUT THE CONNECTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'M FINE WITH IT REMOVED. OKAY.

SO I'M THE ONLY ONE REALLY IS SORT OF FIGHTING FOR IT TO STAY IN. SO NORMALLY I WOULD BE WITH YOU ON THIS. THIS IS A SMALL ENOUGH AND ISOLATED. YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FOREST, IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE LOCATION FOR ME. YEAH, YEAH. THE UNIQUE TO THIS SITE KIND OF. I GET IT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE REASON THEY'LL WANT IT AND WHAT THE REASONS I HEARD, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOU THAT YOU'RE REPEATING FROM YOUR CLIENT IS THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT. AND I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A GOOD ENOUGH REASON. MR. WALLACE, I'M ALSO A CLIENT BECAUSE, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO OWN THAT. YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. IS HAVING ENOUGH PARKING. YES, MR. SHELL SAID. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM WHEN YOU DEAL WITH MEDICAL. BUT GIVEN THAT FOUR MEMBERS ARE ARE KIND OF ON ON YOUR SIDE AND I'M ON ALL BY MY LONESOME, I'LL AGREE TO TAKE. ONE C CONDITION. ONE C B B B OR ONE B. SORRY. THANK YOU. I WILL REMOVE THAT FROM FROM MY MOTION SO I WILL I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FDM 37 2025. SUBJECT TO THE. THREE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT CONDITION ONE B IS BEING REMOVED FROM THE APPLICANT FROM THE MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND

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CAN YOU HEAR THE ROLL, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSON. YES, MR. WALLACE.

THAT'S A YES, MR. SHELL. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF VARIANCE. WHAT IS IT? 44 20, 25 A ONLY. AND NOT BE. COULD WE CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT SO A IS THE A IS THE ACCESS PART AND B IS THE SCREENING OF THE DUMPSTER WHICH IS BEING HANDLED PROPERLY IN TDM CONDITIONS. TO DO WE NEED LIKE A FORMAL WITHDRAWAL OF THAT REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT. OR OR WE COULD GO AHEAD. I THINK THE WAY YOU'VE HANDLED IT TO CLARIFY, IT'S JUST VOTING TO APPROVE A AND NOT BE A SUFFICIENT. YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. SECOND THE MOTION. ARE WE CLEAR ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE VARIANCE IS ABOUT. COULD I HEAR THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE. YES, MISS BRIGGS.

YES, MR. LARSON. YES, MR. SHELL. YES. THE MOTION PASSES AND VARIANCE 44 2025 A AND NOT B IS APPROVED. CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LARRY, I TRUST YOU DON'T WANT ANY MOTIONS ON THE OR. IT'S FINE WITH ME. GO. THANK YOU. THIS TAKES US TO CONDITIONAL USE 38. DO YOU NEED TO TAKE A SECOND? NO, IT'S NOT YET. ALL RIGHT. CONDITIONAL USE 38 EDGECONNEX. CONDITIONAL USE.

CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. SO THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION TO ALLOW A BATCH PLANT TO BE INSTALLED ON A PARCEL IN OUR BUSINESS PARK. JUST A SECOND HERE. I CAN'T USE THAT. SMART. SO THE PROPERTY THAT THIS APPLICATION IS OUTLINED IN RED HERE. SO JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE SOME DIRECTION THIS IS MY GOSH EVERYTHING'S DYING ON US HERE. I'M SO SORRY.

SO THIS IS DOUG STREET ALONG THIS PORTION OF THE IMAGE HERE. THIS IS MINK STREET HERE. AND THE PART THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE IS RECENTLY OPENED. I SAY RECENTLY, WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, THIS IS CLOVER VALLEY ROAD. AND AGAIN, THE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IS LOCATED IN RED RIGHT HERE. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THE SITE SHOWING WHERE THE PROPOSED BATCH PLANT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED IN THIS HATCHED BOX AREA HERE. AND THEN THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED BY AN EXISTING DRIVE OFF OF CLOVER VALLEY ROAD. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THIS PARCEL AS THE KENNEL CLUB SITE, WHICH IS THE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN SEE EXISTING ON THE AERIAL HERE.

THAT USE IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE AND THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE TAKEN DOWN. ONCE THAT IS DONE, THE BATCH PLANT WILL BE ACCESSED VIA A NEW ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE HERE TO THE PC PROJECT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE JUST SOUTH EAST OF THIS AREA THAT WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THIS BATCH WILL HELP SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT OF THAT BUSINESS. SO ALL IN ALL, THE PROPOSED BATCH PLANT CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION IS JUST GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BATCH PLANTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS APPROVED OVER TIME. THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FROM THE STAFF REPORT. DID WANT TO JUST MAKE NOTE WE DID HAVE A TYPO ON THE FIRST CONDITION OF APPROVAL, STATING THAT IT CAN ONLY BE IN OPERATION UNTIL 2025, WHICH WAS ONLY A MONTH AWAY FROM NOW. SO WE MODIFIED THAT TO SAY 2027, WHICH AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH OTHER APPROVALS, WE HAVE SOME OTHER TYPICAL CONDITIONS APPROVAL. AGAIN, JUST MAKING SURE THE ROAD STAYS CLEAN. THERE'S A WHEEL WASH FOR EXITING TRUCKS. I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME. YEAH. TYPICAL LANGUAGE ABOUT THE USE TERMINATES THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TERMINATES IF THE USE CHANGES, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD. BUT WE JUST LIKE TO MAKE APPLICANTS AWARE OF THAT AT THE OUTSET AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T

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LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. MR. OR IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING FIRST? YES. WE ASKED THAT THE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST SHOW LOCATIONS OF WETLANDS AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND THAT THEY PROVIDE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND TRUCKS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED UTILIZING THE PROPOSED ACCESS. THANK YOU. AND FROM THE APPLICANT. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT? OH, YEAH. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT THE STAFF REPORT SAID? NO, NOT REALLY. I JUST CAME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE HIS NAME AND. OH, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS JIM ALBERTSON, PROJECT DIRECTOR WITH DAVIS BUILDING CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. I LIVE AT 7288 COUNTY ROAD 21, FREDERICKTOWN, OHIO. OKAY, SO DOES THE COMPANY THAT WILL OPERATE THE BATCH SITE OWN THE PROPERTY? NO. BUCKEYE READY MIX WOULD OPERATE BATCH PLANT. EDGECONNEX OWNS THE PROPERTY AND THEY ARE THE CLIENT THAT THE BATCH PLANT WILL BE SERVED. OKAY. WHICH OF THOSE TWO ENTITIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLEANUP? WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANUP. AS THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, WE'RE HIRED BY HER COMPUTER ENVIRONMENTS. THEY'RE THE CM AND THEIR CLIENT IS EDGECONNEX. SO WE'RE THE ONES ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLEANUP OF THE ROADS AND DAILY MAINTENANCE. CORRECT. PER REGULATIONS, ANY EPA ISSUES WOULD GO THROUGH THE SITE OWNER, WHICH WOULD BE EDGECONNEX. SURE, IN PRIOR CASES SIMILAR TO THIS, WE'VE HAD A LANDOWNER THAT WAS DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE FOLKS USING IT. AND SO THE GUARANTEE THAT IT GOT CLEANED UP WAS PRETTY REASONABLE, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE A CASE OF THE USER SORT OF WALKING AWAY AND ABANDONING IT, IS THAT THEIR LANDLORD WOULD BE SAYING, YOU DON'T GET YOUR DEPOSIT BACK UNLESS YOU CLEAN IT UP. AND SO I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF WE HAD A SIMILAR CASE HERE THAT SO THE OWNER IS THE ONE RATHER THAN BUCKEYE, RIGHT. ARE YOU GOING TO REQUIRE A BUCKEYE READY MIX IF THEY RESTORE THE LAND TO HOW IT WAS? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL BE RESTORED? OKAY.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST ALSO TO ADD SOME CONTEXT TO THAT. SO IF WE WERE TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THIS WORK, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THESE ALL THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD APPLY TO THE ACTUAL PERMIT, IF THOSE WERE NOT COMPLIED WITH, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE WOULD BE OPENED, WHICH FALLS IN THE PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE DATE OF JULY 27TH BEING THE FINALITY? UNLESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND EXTEND THAT. YEAH. NOTHING FOR ME. NOW, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 38 2025 TILL YOUR SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE DOCUMENTS ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES.

MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SHELL. YES, MR. LAWSON. YES. MOTION PASSES. ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. A MOTION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVED CU-38-2025 EDGE CONNECT X. CONDITIONAL USE. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT REPORT SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL NOTING THAT CONDITION WAS MODIFIED TO 2027. CORRECT. EXCUSE ME. YES.

CHANGING THE DATE FROM 20TH JULY 2025 TO JULY 2027. THANK YOU. NEAL, DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE? OKAY. TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. SHELL. YES, MR. LAWSON. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE, NOTING THE CORRECTION OF THE YEAR IN CONDITION NUMBER ONE TO JULY 2027. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD LUCK. THANKS. AND LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK SO WE CAN.

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THE RESTAURANT SPACE HAS INCREASED A LITTLE BIT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT NOW REQUIRES TEN STACKING SPACES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING TEN. ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A REDUCTION OF TWO PARKING SPACES TO ALLOW FOR AN AEP TRANSFORMER. THE REQUIRED PARKING IS 76, AND WITH THE TWO SPACES BEING ELIMINATED, THEY HAVE 82 SPACES. SO THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDITIONAL USE AND MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED USE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREAS OR SEVERAL DRIVE THRUS. AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. GREAT. ANY ENGINEERING? NO ENGINEERING. THANK YOU. OR OKAY. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT PLEASE? I RAN AFTER THE MEETING

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IF IT'S BACKING UP, DON'T BLOCK THE ACCESS TO WOODCREST WAY, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO TRY TO VISUALLY MAKE THIS AS OBSTRUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE. SO WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSION MEMBERS. YES, YES I'M SORRY, MR. COMMISSIONER, MAY I BE CLEAR? KENNEDY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATES, ONE THING I WANT TO HELP STAFF AND STAFF TO WEAR THE COMMISSION TO BE AWARE OF IS THE RETAIL CENTER AS IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, AS YOU ALL MAY HAVE SEEN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE WE HAVE COMMITMENTS ON THE ENTIRE BUILDING EXCEPT FOR THIS END CAP, WHICH WE'RE DISCUSSING.

THIS IS A BANK. THIS IS A LOCAL PRACTICE HERE IN TOWN THAT NEEDED TO NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE.

SO THEY'VE COMMITTED TO JUST ABOUT 70 200FT■!S HERE. AND THEN THIS IS NOVACARE REHABILITATION.

SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS AS WE TALK ABOUT A QUOTE, FOOD USE OR IN THIS CASE POTENTIALLY GRADERS THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH. AND THIS IS A KEY ELEMENT OF THEIR COMMITMENT IS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DRIVE-THRU. THEIR HOURS OF OPERATIONS SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11 A.M. TO 10 P.M, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 11 A.M. TO 11 P.M. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A MORE AFTERNOON EVENING TYPE USE, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE I DID THE GRADERS AT BEECHER ROAD IN HAMILTON. AGAIN, THE OTHER PRACTICES, EXCUSE ME, THE OTHER TENANTS IN THE BUILDING THAT I JUST NAMED NOVACARE MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, 7 A.M. TO 7 P.M.

FRIDAY, 7 A.M. TO 4 P.M. CLOSED SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. THE DERMATOLOGY GROUP THAT I JUST MENTIONED A LOCAL ONE. MONDAY 7 TO 4. TUESDAY 7 TO 7. WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY 8 TO 4.

SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. CLOSED AND THEN THE BANK. TRADITIONAL BANK HOURS 9 TO 4, 9 TO 5, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO CONSIDER TO BE TO BE AN UPCOMING PROBLEM IS WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT PARKING AND THE DEMAND THAT CREATORS WOULD PUT ON IT IN THEIR PEAK HOURS AFTER SCHOOL AND INTO THE EVENING, AFTER BALLGAMES AT THE PARK OR WHATEVER. THEY'LL EASILY BE MANAGED THERE. AND I DO NOT SEE A CONCERN WITH A LITTLE BIT

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AND GRAETER'S IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A SAFE ACCESS HERE SO THAT IF THEY'RE COMING AND WALKING UP WOODCREST FROM THE SMITHVILLE ROAD TRAIL, THAT THEY CAN GET UP THERE AND GET SAFELY ACROSS THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE OR ANYWHERE TO GET TO THE STORE. YEAH. OKAY. SO AND WE ACTUALLY AT THE GAHANNA LOCATION ALSO HAVE A PATIO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOTICED IT, BUT IT ACTUALLY FRONTS HAMILTON ROAD. SO AFTER SCHOOL FOR INSTANCE, COLUMBUS ACADEMY IS NEARBY.

YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE FAMILY STOP THERE AND WE DID. THE ACCESS THERE IS AWFUL. WE HAVE ONE DRIVEWAY IN NOT A VERY BIG PARKING LOT, BUT THEY MANAGE AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER, AND THEY ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY BOUGHT THE BUILDING FROM ME. SO THEY ARE THE OWNER OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING NOW. INTERESTING. YEAH. CAN THE WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE CONFLICTS WITH THE SIDEWALK, IS THAT GOING TO BE STRIPED SEPARATELY TO. OKAY. SO WE DID WE'VE DONE A COUPLE DIFFERENT. CONCEPTS. SO MIKE I'M SORRY. WELL YOU'VE DONE A COUPLE CONCEPTS. SURE. THERE IS A SIDEWALK CONNECTION THAT THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE. SO WE CAN STRIPE THAT AREA TO CAUSE CARS TO PAUSE AND NOT PARK ON IT. THERE'S ALSO A CONNECTION DOWN HERE. WE NEED A BY CODE, IN FACT, TO PROVIDE EGRESS OUT THE BACK AND OUT TO THE SIDEWALK HERE. THAT GETS PEOPLE IN PUBLIC WAY. QUESTION FOR STAFF AS A SIGN THAT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE WATCH FOR PEDESTRIANS, COUNT AGAINST THEIR SIGN LIMIT. NO, THAT WOULD BE AN UNREGULATED SIGN. OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT YOU DON'T NEED OUR PERMISSION TO PUT ONE THERE AT THE END OF YOUR DRIVE THROUGH TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WATCH FOR PEDESTRIANS CROSSING. GREAT IDEA. PARTICULARLY SINCE PEOPLE MIGHT BE COMING OUT FROM THE PATIO. AND IT IS THAT BLIND POINT. YEAH. OKAY, OKAY. SO CONDITIONAL USES ARE THERE. SO THIS IS A MODEL HOME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT CONDITIONAL USE THAT RUNS UNTIL CORRECT. AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THERE WERE TWO CONDITIONS FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONS FROM THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE MET. AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE FULL DETAILS ON THE MENU BOARD. SO JUST THAT THAT WILL FULLY COMPLY WITH OUR MENU BOARD REQUIREMENTS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT? YOU DO NOT. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM YOU NOW. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT. MODIFICATION 42 2025 SECOND I'LL SECOND. SORRY. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS? MOTION TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. SHELL. YES, MR. LAWSON. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION ITSELF? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION APPLICATION FDM 42 2025. SUBJECT TO THE TWO CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION MOTION ITSELF? THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. SHELL? YES. MR. LAWSON YES. MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES.

MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 43 20, 25. DO I HEAR A SECOND? 42, 42 OR 43? 43 SAYS 42 ON THE MOTION. YEAH. AND THE AGENDA HAS

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YES. MR. SHELL? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE. Q 43 2025, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION. AND GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BE OPEN. BYE BYE. OF

[VII. Other business]

OKAY. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. I'M MARK JEREMIAH WITH KENNEL CLUB USA. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS A PROPOSAL FOR A NEW FACILITY. WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFOR. AT 12525 GEORGE STREET WAS OUR PREVIOUS LOCATION. AND WE RECENTLY HAD SOLD. AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW FACILITY SITE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY. I FOUND A SITE AT 137 JONESTOWN ROAD, WHICH I'M, I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT SPOT TO CONTINUE OUR BUSINESS. KENNEL CLUB USA HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2006 WITH LUXURY PET BOARDING FACILITY. WE SPECIALIZE IN BOARDING, GROOMING, TRAINING AND DOGGY DAYCARE. AND WE'RE HERE TO SEEK APPROVAL TO REBUILD OUR FACILITY AT THIS NEW PARCEL. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE OVERVIEW AT THIS LOCATION. EXCUSE ME. JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE A APPLICATION PENDING, THIS IS SORT OF A PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION, JUST AN INFORMAL PRESENTATION FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. YEAH. NO, ABSOLUTELY. PARCEL SIZE AT 12.2 ACRES. ZONED AGRICULTURE AT THE MOMENT. THAT 62 AT THE BOTTOM ON THE ANGLE OR 62 AT THE TOP OR WHAT 62 WOULD BE AT THE. THERE'S THE. THIS IS GOING TO BE 60 OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE MAIN REASONS WE SELECTED THE SITE IS IT'S CLOSE RELATIVELY TO OUR PREVIOUS LOCATION. IT WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE OUR SAME CLIENT BASE AND THE COMMUNITY AS WE DID BEFORE. BESIDES THE PARCEL IS ADEQUATE FOR OUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS. WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A LOW TRAFFIC IMPACT RIGHT OFF THEIR 62 TWO DOORS DOWN. BALDWIN KENNELS USED TO OPERATE, WHICH THEY ARE NO LONGER IN BUSINESS, AND THAT WAS I BELIEVE THAT WAS 109 ONE THREE JONESTOWN ROAD. THEY HAD A SIMILAR BUSINESS TO THE SCALE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. THEY ARE NO LONGER IN BUSINESS. SO WE WERE I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN OPTIMAL AREA TO PROCEED WITH OUR BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WE ARE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, HEARING ANY REGULATIONS THAT WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH TO, TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL. AT THE MOMENT, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF THIS WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO CONTINUE WITH BUILDING ON THIS SITE HERE, AND IF SO, WE MIGHT MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY.

BUT UNTIL THEN, WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THIS WAS CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE OPEN TO. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A BUILDING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE BUILDING. AND SO CURRENTLY ON THE PARCEL THERE, THERE'S A HOME IN THE FRONT AND THEN IN THE BACK WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. ESSENTIALLY ALMOST TWO. BUT THEY WOULD BE LIKE ATTACHED. IT'S JUST LIKE THE WAY THEY'D BE DESIGNED. WE NEED AN AREA THAT WOULD SUPPORT 35 TO 50 PET KENNEL RUNS, AND

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I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANYTHING FORMAL OR IT WAS MORE JUST OKAY. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, I DON'T KNOW SINCE IT'S OUT OF THE CITY, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE DIRECTED PLAIN TOWNSHIP. I THINK THAT WOULD GO THERE. OKAY. YEAH. GO THERE. AND. I'M SORRY.

I PRESUME YOU DON'T HAVE OR YOU HAVE NOT YET FINALIZED WHAT YOUR BUILDING DESIGN WOULD BE. YOU'VE GOT PRELIMINARIES ON THAT, BUT NOT A FINAL CORRECT. YOU'RE NOT. OKAY THEN. ONE OF THE THINGS I MIGHT SUGGEST IS THAT THE LOCATION OF YOUR YOUR OF YOUR RUNS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU EXPECT DOGS TO BARK THE MOST, USE THE REST OF THE BUILDING AS SONIC SHIELDING TO THE NEIGHBORS. SURE. AND YOU'VE GOT AS LONG AS IT'S JUST STUFF ON PAPER RIGHT NOW, IT'S RELATIVELY FREE CHOICE. IT'S A LOT HARDER TO DO WHEN YOU'VE GOT CONCRETE ON THE GROUND, BUT THAT MAY GIVE YOU A LEG UP ON COMBATING ANY NOISE ISSUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IS THE DESIGN SUCH THAT THERE'S A SOLID BUILDING BETWEEN WHERE THE DOGS ARE AND WHERE YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE? SURE. AND I DO KNOW THAT AT THE MOMENT THE PARCEL DOES HAVE LIKE IT'S THE OTHER END ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PARCEL. THERE'S IF YOU COULD STEP TO THE MIC ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S MOUNDED BERMS THAT ARE PRETTY TALL, TALLER THAN ME. COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, PLEASE? MY NAME IS STEVE AARON. THANK YOU. FIVE FOUR, THREE WEST RIDGE STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. YEAH. WE WERE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE CITY TO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICATIONS ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS A REALITY. AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2006. WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT BUSINESS STRUCTURE. WE'VE COME A LONG WAY WITH OUR PROCESSES. AND WHILE THIS DID MAKE SENSE AT THE MOMENT, WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING TO CONTINUE THIS AND I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT. THIS LOT IS ZONED AG BECAUSE IT WAS ANNEXED IN. DOES IT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN AG LOT ON FRONTAGE AND ACREAGE? FIVE ACRES, I THINK, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ACREAGE. I KNOW THAT WE DID THIS SPOT. CHECK IT REALLY QUICK. ONE SECOND. SO SORRY. I BELIEVE SO OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY EXISTING NON-CONFORMITIES. IN THIS MEASURE. SO THIS IS ONE PROPERTY THAT'S TWO PROPERTIES. PRESSURE.

SORRY. YEAH. BOTH PROPERTIES IN TOTAL HAVE ABOUT 350FT OF FRONTAGE. AND THE REQUIREMENT IS OH GOSH. 200FT OF FRONTAGE. THAT MIGHT BE AN EXISTING NONCONFORMITY DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE COMBINING THE LOTS VERSUS KEEPING THEM SEPARATE OKAY. COMBINE THEM. SO THEN THAT WOULD BE OVER. YEAH. YEAH I JUST WHAT I WAS GOING OVER IS I'M TRYING TO MINIMIZE ANY GOTCHAS ABOUT ZONING. IF I BET YOU'RE GREAT WITH DOGS, I BET ZONING IS NOT YOUR DAY JOB. SO IF YOU AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT A CONFORMING AG LOT, THEN IT'S A SIMPLE CONDITIONAL USE AND CHECKING YOUR FRONTAGE AND ACREAGE WAS ONE OF THE TWO EASY THINGS TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE ALL IS WELL.

YEAH WE'LL CHECK LIKE SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHEN YOU GUYS RESUBMIT MAKE SURE YOU'RE MEETING THOSE. BUT THOSE ARE I DON'T WANT TO SAY MINIMAL AND NEGATIVE WAY, BUT THOSE ARE

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WELL, WE SUCCEEDED OR NOT, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH PART YOU DRIVE, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS.

AS DEVELOPMENT CAME TO NEW ALBANY WAS TO TRY TO KEEP THE RURAL STUFF RURAL AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND KEEP THE CHARACTER. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I DISAGREE. I THINK THE NOISE THING COULD BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO CHALLENGE. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT WHERE YOU LAY THE BUILDING OUT THAT THE OTHER PROPERTY DIDN'T HAVE THAT I WAS REFERENCING TO. SO IF YOU HAD SOME KIND OF SCREENING, WHETHER IT'S A BUILDING OR SOMETHING TO HELP THAT NOISE DETER, SURE DETERIORATED AND IT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE WAY OUR WE OPERATE THE INDOOR OUTDOOR KENNELS, THE DOGS WOULD NEVER REALLY BE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE EVENING OR, YOU KNOW, ALL NIGHT LONG KIND OF SITUATION. AND IT'D BE DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND THEY'D BE ENCLOSED ON THE INTERIOR OF THE FACILITY. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANYTIME DOGS WOULD BE OUTSIDE, THEY ARE SUPERVISED BY STAFF AT ALL TIMES TO, YOU KNOW, CONTROL ANY CONTINUOUS BARKING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE RULES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. THANKS. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR APPLICATION. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO THAT WAS DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OTHER BUSINESS? WE DO NOT. FULL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT BRUCE. NO.

NO COMMENT DAVE. NONE. THANK YOU. NONE FROM ME. NONE HERE. THANK YOU SIR. NOTHING FOR ME.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.