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ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T. WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED? A LOT OF GUESTS HERE TONIGHT. WELCOME, EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE BOARD. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE JUNE 23RD, 2024 MEETING OF THE NEW ALBANY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE READ THE ROLL, MR. PRESIDENT? MR. JACOB, PRESENT. MR. SHELL PRESENT. MISS SAMUELS PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. C'EST PRESENT.
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THERE ARE FOUR VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BIT OF AN ADMIN FUNCTION. WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER OF THE BOARD. JEREMIAH WOOD HAS JOINED US. SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A SWEARING IN JEREMIAH. AND I THINK MR. KISS WILL BE SWEARING IN JEREMIAH MR. WOOD. WERE YOU WANTS TO DO THAT CHRISTIANA? DOES IT MATTER? COME ON. COME TO THE WELL. IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED HERE TO. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, OF THE CHAMBER. THE WELL OF THE CHAMBER. ARE WE STREAMING? YES. DO YOU, JEREMIAH WOOD, SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF OHIO, AND WILL OBEY THE LAWS THEREOF? I DO FURTHERMORE, WILL YOU UPHOLD AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF THE NEW ALBANY CHARTER AND ORDINANCES, AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE NEW ALBANY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS? THERE WE GO. CONGRATULATIONS. WELCOME ABOARD.THANK YOU. JOSH. SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO. SORRY. ONE SECOND HERE. NOT AS GOOD AS THEY ARE. THERE WE GO. SURE. THERE'S ONE GOOD ONE THERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I NEED AT LEAST ONE.
CAN YOU SIGN ONE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. KISS. WELCOME, MR. WOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
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SCOTT. PERFECT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ACTION ON OUR MINUTES DATED BACK IN FEBRUARY 24TH, 2025. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? NO CORRECTIONS HERE. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES INTO THE RECORD? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 24TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. SECOND, MR. JACOB. YES, MISS. SAMUELS? YES. MR. WOOD? YES. MR. SHELL. YES. MR. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL[IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda]
VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? YES. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADD ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE LAUREN. SHE IS OUR NEW PLANNER ONE. SO YOU'LL BE SEEING A LOT OF HER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY OR. NO. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. WELCOME, LAUREN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF A CASE TONIGHT? I'M SORRY. SO IF SO, YOU NEED TO STAND UP AND YOU NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH I DO. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? BRUCE SOMERFELD. OKAY. THANK YOU. BRUCE. SORRY. SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE YOU. I SHOULD HAVE DONE YOU BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. OKAY. STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.[VII. Cases]
JOHN FICKEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. JOHN. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TWO CASES ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.WE'RE GOING TO START WITH VARIANCE 36, WHICH IS THE EDGED SIGN VARIANCE VARIANCE TO CODIFY ORDINANCE 1169 COMMA 16 D TO EXCEED SIGN AREA AND QUANTITY REQUIREMENTS FOR EDGE LOCATED AT 7600 WEST CAMPUS ROAD COULD BE HERE. THE STAFF REPORT PLEASE. ABSOLUTELY. I DO WANT TO NOTE THE BOARD FIRST THAT SINCE THE LAST TIME IT HAS SEEN A VARIANCE, WHICH WAS IN NOVEMBER, THE ORDINANCE HAS CHANGED TO ALLOW SIGNS UP TO 200FT■!S INSTD OF 75 AND TO ALLOW ONE SIGN PER BUILDING ENTRANCE INSTEAD OF BUILDING FRONTAGE. THIS BUILDING, THE EDGE BUILDING, IS
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LOCATED IN THE FRANKLIN COUNTY PORTION OF THE BUSINESS PARK AT NEW ALBANY ROAD EAST AND WEST CAMPUS ROAD. THE SITE IS 14.69 ACRES, AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER SIMILAR USES AND BY NOTTINGHAM TRACE TO THE NORTH. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES TWO LARGE WALL SIGNS ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES, AND THE SMALLER THIRD SIGN ON THE EAST SIDE, FOR A TOTAL OF THREE WALL SIGNS. ALL THREE SIGNS ARE IDENTICAL IN APPEARANCE AND FEATURE THE COMPANY LOGO. THE TWO LARGE SIGNS ARE ILLUMINATED IN THE SMALL ONE IS NOT THE SMALL ONE MEETS CITY SIZE REQUIREMENTS AT 5.19FT■!S. THE FIRST WALL SIGN, VARIANCE A, IS A PROPOSAL FOR A WALL SIGN TO BE TWO 40.05FT■!S.THIS COMPRISES 1.3% OF THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS ABOUT FOUR TEN FEET LONG AND 45FT TALL. THE SIGN ITSELF IS 25FT LONG AND NINE FEET EIGHT INCHES TALL. SIMILARLY, VARIANCE B IS A PROPOSAL FOR A WALL SIGN THAT IS TWO 96.11FT■!S. IT COMPRISES 1.% OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS ABOUT 361.5FT LONG AND 45FT TALL. THE WALL SIGN IS 27FT, 8.5IN LONG AND TEN FEET 8.25IN TALL, AND THEN VARIANCE C IS TO ALLOW THREE SIGNS WHEN IT ALLOWS ONE PER BUILDING ENTRANCE. THIS BUILDING HAS ONE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE, WHERE A THAT 5.19FT■!S AUSTRIAN ORIENTED SIGN IS PROPOSED NEAR THE ENTRANCE. THE SIGN FOR VARIANCE A IS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. SO ALTOGETHER THE APPLICATION SEEKS TWO DIFFERENT VARIANCES TO SIGN SIZE AND VARIANCE TO SIGN QUANTITY. NOTE THAT THE LARGEST VARIANCE TO SIGN SIZE WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD FOR A 297 SQUARE FOOT WALL SIGN FOR AMAZON IN 2021. ALSO, THE BOARD IS GENERALLY APPROVED SIGNS THAT ARE UP TO AND AROUND 1% OF THE BUILDING FACADE, AND ONE OF THE LARGEST SIGNED FACADE RATIOS, WAS APPROVED FOR A SIGN TO COMPRISE 1.35% OF THE BUILDING FACADE IN 2024 FOR AMPLIFIED BIO, BOTH SIGNS PROPOSED FOR THIS APPLICATION ARE GREATER THAN 1% OF THE FACADE. THE FIRST SIGN IS JUST UNDER THAT 1.35% PRECEDENT. SECOND SIZE IS BOTH LARGER AND ON A NARROWER ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING, SO IT TAKES UP A LARGER PERCENT. AND IN REGARDS TO VARIANCE, SEE, THE CODE'S INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE BUILDINGS ARE NOT OVERSIZE. STAFF FEELS THREE SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS INSTANCE. IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA WILL BE ALTERED IF THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED, THOUGH THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE AND FUNCTIONALITY MAY STILL BE MET IF THE SIGN SIZES WERE TO BE REDUCED. THE BUILDING DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE OVER SIGNED. AS JUST MENTIONED, THE SIGNS ARE LARGE, BUT THEY DO NOT EXCEED THE LARGEST SIZE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. THE 296.11FT■!S SN COMPRISES A LARGER PORTION OF ITS BUILDING FACADE THAN USUALLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD. ALSO, THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE LARGE SIGN SIZES IS REDUCED BECAUSE THE AREA IS GIVEN FOR THE SIGNS ARE NOT COMPLETELY TAKEN UP BY SIGNAGE. CODE REQUIRES SIGN AREA TO BE MEASURED BY ENCLOSING EVERYTHING IN A RECTANGLE AND TAKING THAT AREA, SO THE AREA IS BASED ON THE HEIGHT FROM THE ASSENT OF THE LETTER D TO THE DESCENT OF THE LETTER G IN THAT LOGO, BUT THERE IS EMPTY SPACE ABOVE AND BELOW THE LETTERS. SO THIS CONSIDERATION AND THE FACT THAT THE LETTERS ARE RELATIVELY THIN, IT HELPS REDUCE THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE LARGE SIGNS. FINALLY, STAFF REALIZED THAT THE 5.19FT■!S SIGN DID NOT MEET SIGN RELIEF REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ENSURE A MINIMUM OF ONE INCH, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU. STAFF IS HERE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? STAFF REPORT AND DIRECTOR. SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND THAT. MR. JACOB. YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MISS. SAMUELS? YES, MR. WOOD. YES. MR. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO STAFF? STAFF? I HAD A REAL QUICK. JUST BECAUSE I'M KIND OF NEW TO THE GAME. YEAH. THE CODE UPDATE THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY PASSED. CAN YOU JUST TOUCH ON WHAT WE WENT FROM AND WHAT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS UNDER THE CURRENT CODE THAT WE'RE THE STANDARD NOW, BUT WHAT WAS THE PREVIOUS CODE? OF COURSE. SO PREVIOUSLY WE ALLOWED WALL SIGNS UP TO 75FT■!S. SO NOW WE ALLOW THEM UP TO 200FT■!S. AND IT WAS ONE SIGN PER BUILDING FRONTAGE.
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IT'S NOW ONE SIGN PER BUILDING ENTRANCE. OKAY. SO THE 75 VEHICLES REGARDLESS OF FRONTAGE, IT WAS JUST A FLAT 75. IT WAS A FLAT 75. YES. AND WHAT IS THE 200FT MAX NEW TO THE CODE. THE 200FT■!S. YES. THAT REPLACES THE 75 SQUARE. SO REGARDLESS, IT COULD BE 1000FT■!S OF FRONTAGE, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A MAX OF 200. CORRECT. UNDER THE CURRENT CODE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU I HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR REITERATING THAT FOR US. I KNOW THAT IT TOOK A. OH YES, IT TOOK A BIT FOR US TO GET TO A PROPOSAL FOR THAT. AND I KNOW THAT WE DID DO QUITE A BIT OF MATH THAT DAY. YES. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE PERCENTAGES OF THE FACADE. AND WHEN WE CAME TO THAT, THERE WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ABOUT THE LARGER SIZE BUILDINGS IN THAT, OR DID WE JUST LAND ON THE 200 FLAT? YEAH, I THINK WE LAND ON THE 200 FLAT. I KNOW THE FIRST TIME I BROUGHT IT TO YOU GUYS, I THINK IN OCTOBER WE WERE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUILDING WAS LIKE 20 TO 50,000, YOU COULD DO THIS. BUT I THINK THAT WAS GETTING A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED. SO WE JUST DECIDED TO DO THE FLAT 200FT■!S. OKAY. D THEN ONE LAST CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF, OUR LARGEST APPROVAL TO DATE WAS FOR THE AMAZON. THE PERCENTAGE OF FACADE TO THAT ONE IS 1.3%. IS THAT CORRECT? FOR THAT ONE IT WAS UNDER 1%. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER WAS, 0.82%. IT WAS UNDER 1%. BUT THAT SOUNDS GREAT. BUT AMPLIFY BIO, THEY WERE 1.35% OF FACADE. YES. SO THAT'S THE LARGEST RATIO THAT WE'VE APPROVED. YES. SO AMAZON LARGEST SIGN. AND THEN AMPLIFY BIO IS THE LARGEST RATIO OKAY. THANK YOU. LAUREN YOU HAD MENTIONED THE TERM YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS BEING OVERSIZE. IS THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE. NORMALLY THERE MIGHT BE 3 OR 4 ENTRANCES. THEREFORE YOU COULD HAVE 3 OR 4 SIGNS. IS THAT THE RATIONALE. WELL BY RATIONALE, YEAH. MY RATIONALE IS BASED ON THAT AND PRECEDENT THAT RECENTLY RECEIVED A VARIANCE FOR A TOTAL OF SIX SIGNS. SO BASED ON THAT AND BASED ON THE PURPOSE OF THE EACH OF THE LARGE WALLS OR EACH OF THE WALL SIGNS IN GENERAL, ONE MOMENT HERE YOU CAN SEE HOW ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES THEY'RE KIND OF ORIENTED TOWARDS HOW NEW ALBANY ROAD EAST CURVES. SO THOSE TWO LARGE WALL SIGNS ARE TRYING TO BE SEEN FOR THOSE TWO POINTS OF VIEW. AND THEN THAT SMALLER ONE IS FOR PEDESTRIAN VISIBILITY AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE. SO WE FEEL THAT WITH THAT INTENT IN MIND IT'S NOT OVERSIZE. GOTCHA. AND THEN CAN YOU REMIND US HOW MANY ENTRANCES DID THEY HAVE? OH, I'M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, I DON'T RECALL. I DO KNOW THAT THEY GOT THREE WALL SIGNS ON ONE FACADE BECAUSE IT WAS TWO IDENTICAL BUILDINGS. I WOULD SAY THEY PROBABLY DID HAVE ONE. MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE ENTRANCE, BUT I JUST CAN'T RECALL. AND IT WAS WHAT FACADE AT THAT POINT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PER FRONTAGE AT THAT POINT. SO THEY MAY HAVE ASKED FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT AS WELL AT THAT TIME. SO IF I CAN FIND THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE VARIANCES WERE TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNS FOR A TOTAL OF SIX IS WHAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN. SO I ASSUME THAT IT'S BASED ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. DID THE APPLICANT EVER CONSIDER A RENDITION OF THIS ABIDING BY THE CODE OF 200FT■!S. AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT MY PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE'VE GONE FROM 75 TO 200, AND WE ALREADY HAVE ONE THAT'S ALMOST 100FT■!S MORE. SO.SO WHAT WAS THE GIVE ME SOME HISTORY ON THE MAYBE THE APPLICANT'S HERE. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT TO ME? THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK. YEAH. I'M JUST. WOULD YOU APPLIED FOR THIS? DID YOU DID YOU KNOW WHAT THE CODE WAS, OR DID YOU JUST SAY IT LOOKS GOOD? WE JUST SAID THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. NO. WE WERE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE CODE AND THE CHANGES IN. IT'S STILL JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE INFERIOR TO WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE BUSINESS PARK FOR SOME OF THESE MEGA, MEGA, MEGA BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE FOR SOME FUNCTIONAL VISIBILITY ON SIGNAGE REAL QUICK. COULD YOU YOU MENTIONED YOUR NAME EARLIER, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? AND
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BRUCE SOMMERFELD AND I'M THE APPLICANT FOR THE OWNERS. ARE YOU? BUILDING THE SIGNS? OKAY.THANK YOU. SO I HAVE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND HOPEFULLY ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, I SUPPOSE. YES. SO. SO, BRUCE, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT IS THERE A VERSION OF THIS? THERE'S NO. OKAY, BUT THERE'S SOME CONDUITS TO MAYBE HOW WE CAN GET TO THAT.
OKAY. AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU. BUT REALLY I WANTED TO TAKE THE MERIT, THE MERIT OF THIS CASE ON ITS APPLICATION AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU FIRST AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK. HEY, CHRISTINA, WE MAY BE ABLE TO JUST TURN THE MIC DOWN A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. SO WITH THAT THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. STAFF JOINING US I KNOW THAT NEW ALBANY AND EDGE WAS FAIRLY WELL SOUGHT AFTER. AND THERE WAS SOME VERY BIG COMMUNICATION INITIALLY TO GET THE TWO. OPERATIONS TOGETHER BECAUSE IT WAS THEY SHARED AN AWFUL LOT OF THE CONSERVATION ATTITUDE AND. RESOURCES AND STAFF AS TO WHAT IT WAS A GOOD FIT FOR NEW ALBANY AND THE BUSINESS PARK. SO THIS STARTED ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO. AND THE DESIGN DESIGN STARTED MAYBE 12 MONTHS AGO, WHEN THE CODE WAS AT THAT POINT IN LIMBO. WE HAD APPEARED BEFORE YOU ON A COUPLE OF CASES. I THINK WITHIN THE LAST 18 MONTHS WHEN CODE WAS VERY RESTRICTIVE AT THE 75 SQUARE FOOT PER STREET ELEVATION AND NOTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC ENTRANCE OR QUALITY OF SIGNS. IT WAS ONE SIGN PER STREET ELEVATION AT 75FT■!S, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE MASS FACTOR OR THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS OF THE FACILITIES AND. WE TRIED, IN DEFERENCE TO KEEP IT WITHIN, NOT KNOWING THAT 200FT■!S WAS GOINGO BE THE MAGIC NUMBER, BUT WE TRIED TO KEEP IT WHERE IT WAS A FUNCTIONAL, ESTHETIC, SCALABLE SIGN WITHIN THE OVERALL MASS OF THE OF THE ELEVATIONS, WHICH IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL BEFORE YOU GUYS IN THE PAST WITH SOME DECENT ESTHETIC DRAWINGS AND DESIGN PLANS THAT MET WITH APPROVAL AND HAS SINCE GONE INTO EXISTENCE. AND YOU SEE IN THE FIELD WITH THAT, WHEN THE 200FTS CAME OUT, WE KNEW WE STILL HAD A BEARING. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU GUYS TONIGHT, THE SIZE VARIANCE IS REALLY NOT SO MUCH. IT'S HARD AS DESIGNERS AND DESIGN INDUSTRY TO DO IT ON A RATIO OR PERCENTAGE RATIO TO THE OVERALL SCALE OF THE ELEVATION OF THAT OF THAT FRONTAGE, IF YOU WILL. EVERYBODY'S ARTWORK IS DIFFERENT. EVERYBODY'S COLORS ARE DIFFERENT, EVERYBODY'S FONTS DIFFERENT, EVERYBODY'S LAYOUTS DIFFERENT. MORE SPECIFICALLY, OURS IS REALLY DIFFERENT WITH THE UPPER LOWERCASE AND THE DESCENDERS AND THE ASCENDERS THAT YOU SEE ON THERE REALLY FORCE US INTO A MEGA GRAPHIC.
OVERALL MASSING OF QUITE A BIT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE CODE REQUIRES US TO TAKE THE OVERALL RECTANGLE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE WHOLE GRAPHIC, SO IN THIS CASE IT'S FROM THE TOP OF THE D, THE FIRST D TO THE BOTTOM OF THE G. PUT A RECTANGLE AROUND THE WHOLE GRAPHIC AND HENCE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WE ARRIVED AT 296FT■. IF YOU TOOK OUT THOSE INDENTS, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN THE AND THE D BEFORE THE G ON THE BOTTOM ALONE, IT BRINGS US TO 195FT■!S. MAYBE THAT'S MORE PALATABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT AMAZON HAD THAT WAS CITED IN THIS PLAN AS PRECEDENT FOR THE 297FT■!S. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT GRAPHIC LOOKED LIKE, IF IT ALL HAD A BASELINE, IF THEY WERE SIX FOOT LETTERS BY 300 AND SOME FEET OR 40FT LONG, WHATEVER IT WAS, THESE ARE DESIGNED TO FIT THE BUILDING, FIT THE MODEL, BE FUNCTIONAL FOR SIGHTLINES, TRAFFIC BOTH ON CAMPUS CENTER DRIVE AND ON WHAT HAVE YOU AT THAT MODERNA, THAT MANY LANES AND SO FORTH. PLUS EDGE WENT OVER AND ABOVE TO FIT LIKE A AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ELEMENT TO WHERE THE SIGN MIGHT WORK FUNCTIONALLY ON THAT ELEVATION AND FIT WITHIN THERE. SO IT LOOKS SCALED AND FUNCTIONALLY, THE E IS ONLY 4.5FT TALL. THAT'S PRETTY SMALL AT 500FT BACK FROM THE ROAD ON A BUILDING THAT I THINK ON THE EAST IS ACTUALLY WE HAD A 410 LINEAR FEET, REALLY 607 LINEAR FEET, BECAUSE WE MISSED OFF SOME OF THE WING WALLS THAT WERE PART OF THE MAP. SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTATED AND WE DON'T REALLY COMPARE WITH THE MASSING OR THE RATIO PERCENTAGE THAT YOU GUYS
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HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST. SO WITH THAT, I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION AS TO WHY WE WANT THE SIGNS THAT WE'VE GOT AT THIS SIZE. AND IF THAT'S NOT THAT PALATABLE, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME RECOURSE AS TO WE COULD ALTERNATE. OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO WE BASICALLY IN ESSENCE NOW SIGN CODE ALLOWS FOR 200FT■!S ON THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH CONTAINS TWO SIDES. I'LL DEAL WITH THE SIZE VARIANCE FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH THE QUALITY VARIANCE. EAST ELEVATION HAS TWO SIDES. THE LARGE SIGN THAT YOU SEE THERE. AT 240FT■!S. AND THE LITTLE ENTY WALL SIGN THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON ANOTHER ELEVATION THAT'S FIVE SQUARE FEET WAS JUST IDENTIFIED FOR PEDESTRIAN, UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE PARKING LOT. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE ONE ENTRANCE IS ON THIS 206,000,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHAT HAVE YOU. PREVIOUS CODE ALLOWED FOR? ONE SIGN PER ELEVATION UP TO 75FT■!. TWO SIGNS ON THIS ELEVATION THAT 245FT■!S, WHERE NEW CODE ALLOWS 200FT■!S. SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 5 SQUARE FOOT, 20% VARIANCE. FAIRLY UNSUBSTANTIAL IN OUR OPINION. ON THE SOUTH, WE'VE GOT A SIGN THAT'S 296FT■!S. CALCULAD PER THE WAY CODE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TEN FOOT 4.5IN BY 27FT, SOME LEFT TO RIGHT, 296FT■!S. OR 500FT FROM THE ROAD. STREET ELEVATION. NO PUBLIC ENTRANCE ACCESS. ROADS OUT. ROADS ON THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LOGISTICS ARE TRUCKERS VERSUS WORK, BUT HAS ITS OWN ELEVATION. THAT'S ABOUT A 45% INCREASE OVER. SIZE ALLOWANCE PER CODE. PREVIOUS REQUEST WHEN ALLOWANCES WERE MORE RESTRICTIVE AT 75FT■!S, WEE IN FACT IN EXCESS OF 290% CODE AMAZON OF 297FT■!S OVER 75 SQUAE FOOT ALLOWANCE. WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL WAS GROSSLY MORE SUBSTANTIAL. REQUEST AND VARIANCE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE. SO CAN I JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND? SO DID YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU SUBMITTED YOUR APPLICATION? WE WENT BEFORE WE SUBMITTED? YES. IN PREPARATION. AND FOR SOME MONTHS PRIOR WE WOULD WE WOULD SETTLE ON SOMETHING THAT WAS FUNCTIONAL AND WOULD HOPEFULLY BE IN THIS, THIS, THIS CAPACITY BEFORE YOU TO CARVE YOU UP. JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO STAFF. AT WHAT DATE DID WE ACCEPT THE AMAZON? I THINK IT WAS IN 2021. AND COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE REFRESHER ON ON THAT ONE? WAS WAS IT JUST THE EMBLEM AND MAYBE. JUST. YES I THINK THEY HAVE MULTIPLE SIGNS TO IN THERE. YES. SO IT WAS APRIL 26TH OF 2021. SO YES, THEY ASKED FOR TWO WALL SIGNS IN AN AREA OF 270FT■!S AND THEN A SECD WALL SIGN TO BE INSTALLED, AND THEN ONE TO HAVE A SIGN AREA OF 297FT■!S. AND LET ME SEE. THE TX RATE. SO PREDECESSOR IS ONE. NO.OKAY. SO THAT WAS A PREVIOUS REGIME BOARD THAT ACCEPTED THAT IT WAS WELL BEFORE ANYONE ON THIS BOARD. RIGHT OKAY OKAY. OKAY. CAN WE JUST REAL QUICK ON THAT. THE 297FT■!S, DID THAT INCLUDE LETTERING OR WAS THAT JUST THE WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY WE OPEN CASE MATERIALS AND THAT WASN'T THERE. I, I WAS HERE YOU'RE MAKING ME GO WAY BACK IN TIME HERE. BUT YEAH THAT WAS, THAT WAS FOR IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. AND WE'LL LOOK IT UP TO 100%. SURE. BUT THAT WAS THE, THE TYPICAL LITTLE AMAZON LITTLE SWOOPY THING.
YEAH. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO I THINK THE SECOND ONE ACTUALLY SAID AMAZON. SO IT WAS BOTH. IT WAS A LOGO AND LETTERING, TWO DIFFERENT SIGNS. BUT WE'LL LOOK IT UP OKAY. THANK YOU. PRETTY BIG IF YOU THINK OF AMAZON IS FULL CAP. IT'S ALL ONE LINE. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DESCENDERS AND
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SO FORTH THAT WE HAVE SO 290FT■S WE WOULD HAVE HAD. A SEVEN FOOT TALL LETTER MAYBE. VERSUS OUR UPPER LOWERCASE DESCENDERS THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH, WITH BRANDING AND NATIONAL RECOGNITION AND FUNCTIONAL VISIBILITY. THAT BASICALLY SUGGESTED IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. FOR. THAT. JUST JUST SORRY TO INTERRUPT. SO WE PROBABLY DID OURSELVES A DISSERVICE NOT INCREASING IT TO WHERE IT SHOULD SCALE. IF WE HAD SOME SORT OF FORMULA THAT THE TOWN COULD APPLY TO THIS CODE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE. SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING. I KNOW WE JUST CHANGED IT, BUT YOU KNOW THIS THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE AND IT'S WE'RE ALREADY LIKE WE'RE 100FT■S ABOVE WHAT OUR MINIMUM IS OR SORRY, MAXIMUM. SO AND IT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE TO SOME OF OUR CORPORATE FRIENDS THAT, YOU KNOW, DID WE REALLY DO OUR HOMEWORK. AND IT SHOULD REALLY BE 300FT■!S OR 400FT■!S MAX, OR MAYBE A PERCENTAGE OR SOME SORT OF FORMULA. MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US WITH SOME SORT OF FORMULA. I SHOULD SAY IT'S HARD TO DO WITH THE GRAPHIC CONTENT. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THAT GRAPHIC CITY COLUMBUS TRIES TO DO THE SAME THING WITH MAX FACTOR BASED ON AND IT'S ON SQUARE ROOTS, AND IT SEEMS TO WORK BASICALLY ON THE SETBACK AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING AND SO FORTH. BUT, BUT BUT THERE'S GUIDING. I HAD A HARD TIME PRESENTING TO YOU GUYS BASED ON THE RATIO OF PERCENTAGE. I MEAN, I CAN'T GET DOWN TO ONE POINT. I'M AT 1.82. I CAN'T GET DOWN TO 1.1 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS ON TRAFFIC LOOKED LIKE BASED ON A BUILDING THAT WAS TWICE THE LENGTH OF THAT. YEAH. I CAN PRODUCE MY TWO 200FT■!S, AND I'E GOT THOSE EXHIBITS WHERE I CAN SHOW YOU, BUT IT'S BASED ON KNOCKING OUT THAT, THAT NOT USING THE DESCENDER. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I CAN GET BOTH THESE AT 185FT■!S, WHICH WOULDN'T REQUIRA VARIANCE OTHER THAN THE QUANTITY OF SIGNS. THE. QUANTITY OF SIGNS. AND YOU GUYS ACCEPTING HOW WE ARRIVE AT THE MATH WHICH IS GOING TO VARY THE WAY THE CODE REALLY SEMANTICALLY SPEAKS TO HOW YOU DO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AROUND THESE. SO I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAD FROM THE BEGINNING, IS IN OUR CODE, IT'S IRONCLAD THE WAY THAT WE CALCULATE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A SIGN IS JUST TO TAKE THE ENTIRE RECTANGLE OF ANY SIGNAGE IN, JUST MULTIPLY THAT. AND THAT'S HOW WE GET TO OUR 241. SO IT'S THE FULL 25FT BY NINE FEET EIGHT INCHES. EVEN THOUGH THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THAT SIGN, I'M GOING TO GO ON A LIMB. AND LIKE BRUCE TOUCHED ON IT, IF YOU TURN THAT G INTO ANOTHER D WOULD BE A 95FT■!S WERE THERE UNDER CORREC? YEAH. BASIC. YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE SIGN IS DESIGNED WHICH I'M NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS AT YOUR DESIGN SIGN. PROBABLY NOT THE BEST DESIGN, BRUCE, BUT THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE THERE'S LESS SIGN THAN THERE IS SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT FOOTPRINT. YEAH.AND DEFINITELY STAFF CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT DEFINITION BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS SMALLER THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. BUT YEAH. YEAH I MEAN THIS WOULD LOOK VERY DIFFERENT IF THIS WAS THAT ENTIRE FOOTPRINT WAS ASSIGNED AND GRAPHICS OR LETTERING OR IT WOULD BE IT WOULD LOOK FAR MORE, I THINK, OUT OF SCALE THAN THIS DOES ON THIS BUILDING. I WONDER IF THERE'S A NEGATIVE SPACE COMPONENT THAT COULD BE ADDED INTO THE WORDING. I'M. THIS IS NOT MY WORLD. LET'S PREFACE THAT, BUT I RECALL THIS BEING A POINT OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME BUSINESS PARK PARTNERS THAT HAVE A LOW. THEY HAVE A IMAGE WITH THEIR LOGO AND SOME ARE JUST WORDS. SO I DO BELIEVE THIS IS ALL LEADING US BACK TO BETTER. LIKE WE PROBABLY NEED TO REVISIT A DISCUSSION. SO CHRISTINA, COULD YOU GO TO THE GRAPHIC? THAT'S I GUESS IT'S LABELED APPROXIMATE SITE LOCATION, THE VERY LAST PICTURE OR WHOEVER'S CONTROLLING THE SCREEN, THE SLIDE, I THINK THE LAST. THE VERY LAST ONE. YEAH, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT. THAT'S MY I JUST OKAY. SO. PART OF MY TREMOR. SO THIS RIGHT HERE THAT WHAT IS THAT ZONE FOR CURRENTLY. IS THAT COMMERCIAL OKAY. AND THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL RIGHT HERE. SO MY WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS CASE MY QUESTION WAS OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S
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WITHIN THE CODE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PUT SIGNAGE PER ENTRANCE. HOWEVER, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT ANOTHER BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE GOING ON TO THAT EAST SIDE, WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE. AND I ALSO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION LISTENING TO RECENT CITIZENS THAT ARE FROM THAT NORTHERN COMMUNITY AND THE VISUALS THAT THAT PRESENTS AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S LIT, WHETHER IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST BEING MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AMAZON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PARTS OF THE BUSINESS PARK. AND I'M BEING MINDFUL THAT THIS IS IN THE BUSINESS PARK. I AM AWARE OF THAT. HOWEVER, IT'S A DIFFERENT PART OF THE BUSINESS PARK IS ALL THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.AND US BEING MINDFUL OF ALL THOSE COMPONENTS WHEN MAKING THIS DECISION WITH THE SIZE THAT IT IS, WE DID THE SAME. IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SITE, PLAN WITH THE I CAN ADDRESS THAT. OKAY, SO. 240 SQUARE TOP RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE FACING THAT VACANT LOT TO THE EAST IF YOU WILL, AND THAT THE PREDOMINANT VIEWPOINT OF THAT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO NEW ALBANY, AS WELL AS TO WHY IT WAS PLACED THERE, IS IN RELATION TO THE ANGLE OF. WHATEVER THAT STREET IS, THE FACT THAT THERE'S A CURVE RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. SO YOU CAN STILL BE GOT THE SAME ARGUMENT. SO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT TO THE NORTH ARE GOING TO BE NOT AFFECTED BY THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS FOR THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC COMING ON THAT CORNER. WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE FURTHER SOUTH OF THE BUILDING. BUT IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY IT'S NOT AS PLEASING AND IT'S STILL JUST AS FUNCTIONAL ONTO THAT SIDE. SAME FOR THE SOUTH ELEVATION. WE'VE GOT OUR SECOND ELEVATION ON CAMPUS OVAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THEN THAT ALSO GOES PRIOR CODE ALLOWED TO ONE SIGN PER ELEVATION, WHICH IS MORE THAN TYPICAL IN EVERY MUNICIPALITY.
YOU GO TO. SIGNS FROM THE CITY OF COLUMBUS TRIED THAT. WE GET AN AWFUL LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON THEIR FACILITY. I MEAN FACE THE STREET AND TO BECOME AN ASTRONAUT VARIANCE NOT TO HAVE THE SIGN ON THE PUBLIC ENTRANCE ELEVATION, BUT ON THE STREET ELEVATION.
MUCH MORE SELF-SERVING WAYFINDING, FUNCTIONAL SIGNAGE. SO THAT PART OF THE CODE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE RESTRICTED TO ASK FOR ONE SIDE FOR PUBLIC ENTRANCE IF THAT SIGN WAS ON THE NORTH, THE PUBLIC ENTRANCE IS ON THE NORTH, BECAUSE LOGISTICALLY THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC FLOW WENT OR WHATNOT. I'D BE FACING ALL YOUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND I'D BE ALLOW MY 200FT■!S ON, ONN THAT ELEVATION. SO THANK YOU. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT UNTIL PEOPLE WITH PUBLIC ENTRANCES NOT FACING THE STREET MIGHT, MIGHT NEED TO COME AND HAVE A VARIANCE IN ADDITION TO THE ONE SIGN PER. I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE THREE SIGNS, SINCE THIS IS A GIANT BUILDING AND THEY CHOOSE TO PUT ONE TENANT IN THERE, MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE TAKEN UP BY MULTIPLE TENANTS, SO I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST WE JUST KEEP MAKING ALL THESE ALLOWANCES FOR BIGGER SIGNS AND BIGGER SIGNS AND BIGGER JUST IT PROBABLY GOT TO STOP SOMEWHERE. YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE EVERY CASE ON ITS OWN MERIT. WE TRY TO BE AS DILIGENT AND AS I MEAN, IF I DID A 200FT■!S, I CAN SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE ON SOME EXHIBITS BETWEEN 200 AND 96FT■!S THAT'S PRESENTED THERE, AND WHAT WE WOULD CALCULATE AT 195FT■!S BY TAKING THAT OUT. IT'S STILL A VARIANCE, BECAUSE I'M STILL VARYING HOW THEY DECIPHER MEASURE CODE. BUT IT MIGHT BE MUCH MORE PALATABLE. AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT'S ALL IMPORTANT IN NEW ALBANY IS THE SCALE AND THE ESTHETIC. WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, YOU DON'T JUST WANT A BIG 200 SQUARE FOOT SIGN ON THAT BUILDING. THAT'S GREAT. SO THIS, THIS PRETTY INTENSE DESIGN CRITERIA THAT NEW ALBANY SET UP MANY, MANY MOONS AGO FOR THE GROUND SIGNS, THE MONUMENTS AND SO FORTH THAT THIS PART LOOKS UNIFORM AND UNIFIED. I DON'T THINK WE'RE INVADING ON THE SPIRIT OR THE INTENT OF THE CODE IN ANY WAY WITH ANY OF THIS. BE THE NEW CODE OR THE OLD CODE. IT'S PRETTY MINIMALISTIC FOR SOMETHING OF THAT MASS, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE YOU GUYS TO ADVANCE A VARIANCE OR A WAIVER. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS, IS THE 200 ENOUGH? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET MORE AND MORE OF THESE IF IT'S IF THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE AND WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY LIKE IT'S ALREADY AN APPEAL TO THE CODE. 200FT■!S WOD TAKE THAT FOUR FOOT SIX LOWERCASE E THAT YOU GOT IN FRONT OF YOU. YEAH. TO THREE, FOUR, NINE, THREE FOR EIGHT. I MEAN NINE INCHES, TEN INCHES. IT'S NOT BIG, BUT AT 500FT THAT'S PRETTY BIG. YEAH. BECAUSE THEN IT SHRINKS THE WHOLE THING FROM 25FT OR 27FT TO 19FT AND ALL ABOUT MASSING AND RATIO. IT HASN'T GOT MUCH MASS WITH THIS DESIGN AND THIS BRANDING AT THAT
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POINT. THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS DO $20,000 WORTH OF SIGNS AND PUT IT ON THE BUILDING AND CAN'T READ IT. YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO. I THINK WHAT WHAT WOULD HAVE HELPED ME HERE IS SOME SORT OF RENDITION OF THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE ON CODE, YOU KNOW? SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT. YOU INDICATE YOU'VE DONE SOME DIFFERENT VERSIONS AND PLAYED WITH THE LETTERING TO PASS THESE OUT, PAGE BY PAGE. IF I MAY. YEAH, SURE. WE HAVE THESE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS THE RECORD? YEAH. YOU'LL NEED TO ACCEPT IT.YOU'RE DOING THAT, BRUCE. YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THIS, BUT APPARENTLY WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS DOCUMENT INTO THE RECORD. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS RECORD FROM MR. SO SOMERVILLE, SO MOVED SECOND. MR. JACOB? YES, MISS. SAMUELS? YES.
MR. WOOD. YES. MR. LAJEUNESSE. YES. MR. SHELL. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE APPLICANT'S DOCUMENT INTO THE RECORD. ALL RIGHT, SO, BRUCE, STEP US THROUGH THIS PAGE ONE. CAN YOU SEE THE TWO GRAY BOXES BELOW THERE? WE DID NOT CHANGE THE SIZE OF WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE. THIS SIGN IS STILL NINE FEET TALL BY 25FT. THAT'S RIGHT, I TAKE OUT THOSE TWO AREAS AND IT REDUCES ME TO 195FT■!S, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY MOE PALATABLE BELOW THE 200FT■!S. TT IS THE INTENT OF THE CODE THAT MAYBE WASN'T THOUGHT ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND DEVISED ENOUGH WITH THAT. IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE IMAGE ON THE ELEVATION AT ALL, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE SAME SIZE SIGN, SO IT'S NOT FALLING EVERYBODY'S EYES, IT'S THE SAME SIZE SIGN ON THAT ELEVATION. ESTHETICALLY PLEASING, FUNCTIONAL WORKS WITH THE ANGLE OF THE STREET AND SO FORTH. SO LET ME CLARIFY. SO YOU'RE SAYING WITH THIS, THIS NEW CALCULATION OF THE SAME SIZED SIGNAGE, WE'RE JUST ELIMINATING THIS AREA FROM THE CALCULATION, THE NEGATIVE SPACE, WHICH IS JUST WALL SPACE OKAY. AND IT BASICALLY 295FT■!S, WHICH IS MENTIONED ON THAT DRAWING. SO THIS COMES BACK TO THE QUESTION OF HOW WE CALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN. EXACTLY CORRECT. WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A VALUABLE APPLICATION. IT WAS AN EIGHT BY 25FT, WHICH IS 241 20% VARIANCE. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANKS. AND I'M ASSUMING THE APPLICANT DOESN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE COMPANY TO ED OR ANYTHING WITHOUT A G. PERHAPS YOU GUYS WANT TO STAY ON THE BOARD? YEAH. JUST ASK ME. BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO HAVE A AT LEAST A MECHANISM IN THE CODE WHERE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE SILVER BULLET, SEAN, THAT YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR OTHER THAN A SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S A WAY THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE A TOOL TO CALCULATE SOME SORT OF FORMULA. SO. SO TAKE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BOX AND THEN COMPLEX RIGHT IN THE CODE AS TO FOR OTHER SIGN COMPANIES TO FOLLOW AND DO SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENCE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ON EACH CASES ON THE DESIGN BRANDING AND TRYING TO AVOID GETTING THESE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO IF WE COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF FORMULA AS PART OF THE CODE THAT REMOVES THIS, THESE TWO BOXES EVERY TIME, THEN WE MIGHT BE AT CODE ALL THE TIME, WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME AND HELP YOU. YEAH, SERIOUSLY, WAIT A MINUTE. THAT'S A LITTLE TOO FAR WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T WANT SIGN COMPANIES WRITING ANY CODES. TWO IS AS PRESENTED AS EXHIBITED SOUTH SIDE. SO 296 SQUARE. I HAVEN'T CHANGED. I TRIED TO SEE WHAT TAKING THAT NEGATIVE SPACE OUT OF THE 296FT■!S WOULD DO, AND IT STILL KEPT US. I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S A MESS BEEN ASKED, BUT IT'S STILL AN ASK. SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE TWO OF THE ELEVATION, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE D, THE LAST D OF X, THE LAST LETTER OF H, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT ALMOST ALIGNS THAT SCORE LINE IN THE IN THE CONCRETE WALL. SO THAT YOU GET A PAGE THREE RIGHT BEHIND THERE. IF I REDUCE THIS SIDE, I WILL SAY THAT TO WHAT WE DID ON THE SOUTH OF THE 95FT■!S.
PER THAT CALCULATION, YOU CAN SEE THE MINIMAL IMPACT THAT IT REALLY DOES ON THAT ELEVATION.
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IT MOVES ME ON THE PRINT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF AN INCH AWAY FROM THAT SCORE LINE. IN REALITY, IT'S 24IN, SO IT'S STILL A FUNCTIONAL SIGN. I THINK WE'RE HAPPY WITH ON APPROVAL. AND AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE A CONFLICT TO GET THERE. MAYBE BOTH THESE SIGNS ARE THE SAME SIZE NINE SQUARE FEET OR 241FT■!S AT A 20% VARIANCE. WHICH BRINGS ME TO POINT NINE OF A RATIO FACTOR VERSUS 1.8, THAT WAS NOT SO PALATABLE TO. SO THE SILENCE 240 ALL IN, IF YOU TOOK AWAY THE BLANK SPACE, WHAT DOES THAT CALCULATE TO? RIGHT 1.3 NOT RATIO, NOT SQUARE FOOTAGE IF YOU REMOVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NO, NO. IF YOU REMOVED THE BLANK SPACE THE LIKE YOU DID WITH THIS ONE. I DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE NEGATIVE SPACE. YEAH. IF YOU DID TAKE OFF THE NEGATIVE SPACE.WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ABOUT 95 195. NO VARIANCE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. BUT I WAS SKEPTICAL TO DO THAT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. THAT'S A BIGGER ELEVATION. INSTEAD OF HAVING 9.8 VERTICAL HEIGHT, YOU HAD 10.7. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE. WHEN I PUT IT TO SCALE THE ELEVATION, IT WAS SO MINIMAL THAT 19IN OF LATERAL WORK FROM 500FT AWAY. IT WORKED, AND IT CERTAINLY IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE. ANY WILLINGNESS TO GIVE ANY VARIANCE, THIS MIGHT HELP.
AT LEAST WE COULD DO TO GET THAT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. SO WE HAVE THREE SCENARIOS. WE HAVE SCENARIOS WITH SIGN A, SIGN B, SIGN C. SO FOR SIGN A, IF WE EVALUATE THIS UNDER THE NEW CALCULATION WHERE WE REMOVE THAT BLANK AREA, THAT WILL PUT YOU AT ONE 95FT■!S FOR THAT ONE. AND YU SAID WE CANNOT DO THE SAME THING FOR I CANNOT GET THAT. I CAN'T GET BELOW 250FT■!S BY REMOVING E NEGATIVE SPACES ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION ON THE SOUTH. SO THAT'S WHICH ONE IS THAT ONE STEP FURTHER TO SEE WHAT THE SAME SIZE SOUTH, SAME SIZE SIGN FROM THE SOUTH WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE EAST WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE SOUTH. AND IT'S FUNCTIONAL. IT'S WORKING. OKAY, OKAY. I MEAN, WE WOULD BASICALLY THE SAME SIGN, SAME IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AND FUNCTIONAL TO DO BOTH SIDES 240FT■!S BY ONE MEASUREMENT OR 195 BY ONE MEASUREMENT, VERSUS ONE AND TWO, 41 AND ONE AND 296. AND THEN SIGN C IS ALSO NOT TO SCALE, IT'S TO SCALE. IT'S TO SCALE SIGN C OKAY. SEND ME A VIOLATION THAT IT'S IN THERE. IT'S THERE. IT'S FIVE SQUARE FEET. IT'S REALLY A PEDESTRIAN LITTLE MARK THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED AND CALLED OUT FOR. AND WE'VE DESIGNED IT TO MEET CODE AND WHAT WAS INTEGRITY. SO IT DOES ADD THE VARIANCE BECAUSE WE'RE ALLOWED ONE SIGN ANOTHER THREE. AND IT ADDS THAT 5.91FT■!S TO TE EAST ELEVATION WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE OR ANYBODY IS PREPARED TO MAKE A DECISION YET. I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE. ARE WE WANTING TO OPERATE AS A, B AND C SEPARATE OR ALL IN ONE? I THINK WE SHOULD DO SEPARATE. OKAY. JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT. BRUCE, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THIS? 32 YEARS. YEAH, I CAN TELL. GOOD JOB. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D BE HAPPY TO COME AND HELP YOU WITH YOUR CODE. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR. OKAY? ANY MOTIONS? I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT. I THINK WE DID THAT RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY, SO I MOVED TO. ACTUALLY. YEAH, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR. SIGN A BASED ON THE NEW CALCULATION WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE AREA THAT IS NEGATIVE SPACE, AS THAT WOULD MEET OUR 200 SQUARE FOOT SPIRIT OF THE RULE. I'LL SECOND THAT.
MISS SAMUELS. YES. MR. YES, MR. WOOD. YES. MR. JACOB. YES. MR. SHELL YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. FOR B, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO APPROVE VARIANCE.
WE'LL MOVE TO APPROVE SIGN B BASED ON THE CALCULATION OR MIMICKING THE APPROVED VARIANCE FOR SIGN A. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT. WELL, SO YES THAT ONE WON'T BE UNDER 200FT■!S. CORREC.
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BUT IT WILL. OH THAT ONE WILL BE OKAY. I GUESS. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. SORRY. MISSED THAT.YEAH. THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT IT IS THE SAME SIGN AS THE SIGN OF THE ELEVATION. YEAH.
PERFECT. OH, I'M GOING TO SECOND THAT TOO. SO BOTH A AND B ARE THE SAME SIGN OKAY. SORRY.
CHRISTINA. NO WORRIES. THANK YOU, MISS SAMUELS. YES. MR. YES. MR. JACOB. YES. MR. WOOD. YES.
MR. SHELL YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR ON THE CONDITION THAT SIGN B IS THE SAME AS SIGN A, AND NOW FOR SIGN C, THAT IS A VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES. AND I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THAT BASED ON THE NON FLUSH EXTERIOR. ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THE FACT THAT IT'S ONE COMPANY ENCOMPASSING A LARGE BUILDING SPACE SECOND. MISS SAMUELS. YES. MR. YES. MR. SHELL YES. MR. JACOB. YES. MR. WOOD YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR. CONGRATULATIONS. OH, I'M SORRY. IF WE COULD JUST ADD THAT CONDITION. I'M SORRY ABOUT THE SIGN RELIEF. YEAH, SORRY. YEAH, THAT THAT 5.19 SIGN MEETS THE ONE INCH SIGN RELIEF. WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN. YES, YES. OKAY. THIS IS A CONDITION IN THE STAFF REPORT. NO, WE JUST ADDED IT. OKAY. YEP. AND THAT CONDITION IS THE LAST ONE IN RED. IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF IT DOES. OKAY. PERFECT. YEP. THE TOP OF IT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS AGAIN. FOR SIGN C I'LL MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE BEYOND THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES BASED ON THE NON FLUSH EXTERIOR. AND THE FACT THAT ONE COMPANY IS ENCOMPASSING THE ENTIRE BUILDING WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE 1.5FT■!S SIGN WILL MEET THE ONE INCH MINIMUM SIGN RELIEF REQUIREMENT, 5.195. SORRY, 1.9 5.9FT■!S SIGN WILL MT THE ONE INCH MINIMUM SIGN RELIEF REQUIREMENT. SECOND. OKAY, THANKS FOR GIVING. ME MISS SAMUELS. YES, MR. YES, MR. WOOD. YES. MR. JACOB. YES. MR. SHELL YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR, SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION AT THE 5.5.1 NINE SQUARE FOOT SIGN WILL MEET THE ONE INCH MINIMUM SIGN RELIEF REQUIREMENT. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. LEAVE YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER. I'M GOING TO CALL YOU. I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING. I'LL FIND YOU. WE'LL FIND IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS.
THANKS. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? ALL RIGHT. VARIANCE TWO FOR TONIGHT IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE SIZE OF A WALL SIGN. IMAGINE THAT 522.5FT■!S, WHERE T COULD PERMIT A MAXIMUM OF 200FT■!S. CAN WE HEAR STAFF REPORT? YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. THIS SITE IS LOCATED NORTH OF GANTON PARKWAY AND SOUTH OF 161. IT IS AMGEN. FOR SOME BACKGROUND, THE SITE RECEIVED VARIANCES IN 2023 TO ALLOW SIGNS TO BE OVER THE ALLOWED 75 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM AT THE TIME, SO THE TWO SIGNS DEPICTED BY THE GREEN DOT ARE 98FT■!S, AND THEY ARE REQUESTINA VARIANCE FOR A NEW PROPOSED SIGN, WHICH IS DEPICTED WITH A RED DOT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PROPOSED WALL SIGN TO BE 522.5FT■!S, WHICH EXCEEDS THE ALLOWED 200FT■!S BY 322.5FT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE WALL SIGN TAKES UP 2.22% OF THE NORTH ELEVATION. THIS WOULD BE THE LARGEST WALL SIGN IN THE BUSINESS PARK. HERE IS A VIEW OF THAT SIGN FROM 161. AND AS I STATED, THE PROPOSED SIGN IS 522.5FT■!S, WHICH WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANY OTHER WALL SIGNS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE BCA. IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA WOULD BE ALTERED IF THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE WALL SIGN WHILE STILL MEETING ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE AND
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FUNCTIONALITY. AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORT AND THE RECORD? SO MOVED. SECON, MR. JACOB? YES. MR. WOOD YES. MR. LAJEUNESSE. YES, MISS.SAMUELS YES. MR. SHELL YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU.
OKAY. QUICK QUESTION. IS THIS SIGN, IS IT LIT? YES. YES. BACKLIT. FULL TIME. NICE. NICE.
IT'S NOT JUST 19. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR STAFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT IS THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY THAT SITS IN FRONT OF THIS SIGN? IN FRONT OF THE SIGN WOULD BE WORTHINGTON ROAD IN 161. OKAY, SO THIS IS JUST FAR FROM THE ROAD. THIS IS FAR FROM THE ROAD. YES. IT WOULD BE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. THE NORTH SIDE. YEP. WHICH IS AND THEN ON THIS MAP IT WOULD BE UP AND ACROSS THE STREET. IS IT, IS IT, IS IT COMMERCIAL ZONING AS WELL? I BELIEVE SO, YES. NO. RESIDENTIAL IN THAT QUADRANT IS BASICALLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OKAY. PERFECT. THANKS, STAFF. I'M ASSUMING WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY NEIGHBORS. NO NEIGHBORS? NO. YEAH, YEAH. NO. SEE, THIS IS A SIGN WHERE THERE'S NO NEGATIVE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THIS IS A SIGN. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A RECTANGLE.
YES. YOU'VE YOU'VE DONE WELL TO TAKE UP THE FULL SPACE. YEAH. SO THE LOGIC BEHIND THE SIZE OF THE SIGN WAS BASED OFF OF AN ANSI CODE. SO BASICALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE CAN SEE IT FROM THE DISTANCE THAT IT IS, IT'S LEGIBLE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIZE OF THE SIGN.
THAT'S WHY WE PICKED THAT. WE DO HAVE TWO OTHER SIGNS ON THE BUILDING. ONE IS SOUTH FACING WHICH FACES CANTON PARK, CANTON PARKWAY. WE HAVE ONE THAT'S WEST FACING WHICH ESSENTIALLY FACES INTO WOODS RIGHT NOW, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY END UP BEING BAD. BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT FROM THE SIGN. WE HAVE NO CURRENT SIGNAGE FACING TO THE EAST, WHICH WOULD BE EACH. AND AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF A VISIBILITY, THE SIZE OF THE OVERALL BUILDING, THE MASSING OF IT REQUIRES A SIGN THIS SIZE JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK NORMAL. WE HAD CONSIDERED OTHER SIZE SIGNAGE. WE DO HAVE A ACTUALLY CONSIDERED. THE INITIAL SIGN WE HAVE FOR THE BUILDING. ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS A FIVE FOOT TALL SIGN. IT IS ABOUT 142FT■!S. WE CONSIDERED A SEVEN FOOT SIGN AND NINE FOOT SIGN. AND THEN FINALLY THIS 11 FOOT SIGN. AGAIN, THE SIGNAGE SIZE IS BASED OFF OF BEING VIEWED FROM DISTANCE. IS IT? MR. IS THAT YOUR NAME? JOHN. JOHN. YEAH. SORRY. SO WHEN YOU APPLIED FOR THIS, DID YOU KNOW WHAT THE CODE WAS? WE DID. AND WE KNEW IT WAS LARGE. WE KNEW FIRST OF ALL, WE KNEW THE CODE HAD INCREASED HERE AND TOLD US THAT IT WENT FROM 75 TO 200. KNEW THAT. WE ALSO KNEW THAT THERE WERE OTHER SIGNS WITHIN THE BUILDING, PART OF THIS PARK THAT WERE LARGER THAN THAT. WE KIND OF WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE A NEIGHBOR OF AMAZON. OKAY. SO IF YOU IF WE LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, WE CAN BOTH SEE THEIR SIGN FACING GANT. WE CAN ALSO SEE THEIR SIGN FROM BEACH. THOSE SIGNS SETBACKS ARE ROUGHLY 400 FROM ABOUT 550FT, WHICH IS COMPARABLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR SIDE. SOUTH SIDE FACING. SO. SO GO BACK. SO 550FT FROM THE ROAD. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR 500 FOR THOSE TWO OTHER SIGNS FOR AMAZON. AND IT'S ROUGHLY 550FT FROM EITHER BEACH OR FRONT OKAY. FROM THE ROAD, NOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. I THINK EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY IN AGREEMENT. WE WANT YOU TO HAVE VISIBILITY. WE LOVE HAVING YOU IN NEW ALBANY. WE UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO BE SEEN, RIGHT? YOU'RE STRETCHING AS HARD ON THIS I WE UNDERSTAND THAT AMAZON. THIS IS NOT EVEN ABOUT BEING COMPARABLE WITH OUR NEIGHBOR. THIS IS REALLY MORE JUST BEING TO BE SEEN FROM THE ROAD. YEAH. IF THIS WAS ON ANOTHER ROAD THAT WAS FACING A CLOSER SIDE, WE WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR THIS AGAIN. FROM A AN OVERALL SIGNAGE SIZE, THE 11 FOOT TALL LETTERS, IT'S 550. WE DID LOOK AT A NINE FOOT TALL LETTER WHICH IS 350, WHICH AGAIN GETS CLOSER TO OUR NEIGHBOR, AND WE ALSO LOOK AT A SEVEN FOOT LETTER. THE PROBLEM WITH THE LETTER I DID NOT BRING THE PRESENTATION WITH ME. THE SEVEN FOOT LETTER. WHEN YOU VIEW IT FROM THE ROAD AT 700FT OR FROM 1000FT, IT JUST BECOMES MINUSCULE. IT JUST BLENDS INTO THE BACKGROUND SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT. EVERY TIME WE SET A NEW
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PRECEDENT, THEN THE NEXT PERSON COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, YOU SAID A 500 FOOT. CAN'T WE HAVE A 600? WELL, YOU WENT SIX NOW, CAN'T WE HAVE A AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE AT IT. AND ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT MAKING IT MORE MATHEMATICAL SIZE OF BUILDING, OVERALL MASSING AND DISTANCE NEEDED. AND AGAIN, THERE'S NEVER A ALARM EDICT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T CHANGE. BUT JUST THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T. DO YOU HAVE A RENDITION OF THE SIGN THAT MEETS THE 200FT■!S? I DO? OH, ACTUALL, THE ONE THAT I SENT YOU WAS THAT THE SEVEN FOOT TO THE NINTH. BUT LET'S SEE, I HAVE IT UP. SO WHAT'S THE SEVEN FOOT ONE? WHAT'S THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SITE? IT'S JUST UNDER 200FT■!S IS 1.991999199. THAT'S SEVEN FOOT. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BLENDING TOGETHER. AND YOU CAN'T WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WHEN YOU THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE BAND FROM 161. THAT'S THE 11 FOOT. THAT'S BASICALLY YOU SEE THE SIGN. AND WE ALSO SEE IT AS IF IT'S A SUPERIMPOSED ON THE BUILDING. WE DO HAVE THE SAME THING FOR SEVEN FOOT. WE DON'T HAVE IT FOR NINE FOOT. YEAH. SO HERE'S THE NINE FOOT ONE. AND THE NINE FOOT IS REMIND ME WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS. SO THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR THE 522. BUT WE DO HAVE A MODELING FOR WE DID GO MODELING FOR THE FOR THE 199.AND I CAN GET INTO MODELING FOR 350. AND THE 199 IS THE SEVEN FOOT ONE. IS THAT TRUE. PARDON ME? THE 199. IS THAT THE SEVEN FOOT ONE? BUT THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS UNVISIBLE. YEAH. SO WE'LL WE'LL SHOW YOU WE'LL SHOW YOU BOTH THE MODELING OF IT SO YOU CAN SEE. AND ESSENTIALLY THE SIGN ITSELF IS THE SAME SIGN, JUST DIFFERENT LETTERING, DIFFERENT SIZE LETTERS. SO THE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS JUST THE ASPECT RATIO OF HOW FAR IT LOOKS FROM THE ROAD. YEAH. CAN YOU SUMMARIZE FOR ME IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE HARDSHIP OF IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE. SO I'M HERE I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY THE SEVEN FOOT IS UNREADABLE FROM THE ROAD. IT'S IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO READ FROM 161. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE VEHICLE.
YOU HAVE TRUCKS COMING IN FROM THAT WAY. LIKE WHAT. WHAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS SIGNAGE? IS IT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, OR IS IT FOR YOUR DRIVERS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE BUILDING? IT'S REALLY IT'S A BIT OF BOTH. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'D LIKE TO THINK WE'RE A PROMINENT BUSINESS WITHIN THE PARK FOR SURE AND JUST BE RECOGNIZED FROM A DRIVER'S PERSPECTIVE. WE DO, YOU KNOW, IT IS HELPFUL. OBVIOUSLY, THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS IS REALLY YOU'RE ONLY SEEING IT GOING EASTBOUND AS YOU GO WESTBOUND ON 161. THERE ARE TREES OR FOLIAGE WE DON'T INTEND TO CUT DOWN, SO YOU'RE NOT EVEN ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THAT LOCATION UNLESS YOU'D BE LOOKING BACKWARDS. TRYING DECISION. THAT'S HELPFUL INFORMATION. IF THE SIGN WAS EIGHT FOOT, WHAT WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EIGHT FOOT? EIGHT FOOT? CAN YOU DO THE MATH? SURE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING THAT, JOHN? MAYBE I'LL ASK STAFF. SO THE AMPLIFYBIO REQUEST WAS 1.35% CORRECT. WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD 1.35% ABOUT HOW BIG A SIGN COULD THEY DO ON THIS ONE WITH THE AMGEN SIGN WITH THIS BUILDING? IF THEY DID THAT, IT WOULD BE 317.82FT■!S. SO RIGHT UNDER THAT NINE FOOT SIGN THAT. EIGHT FOOT'S 227 227. YEAH. SO TEN SQUARE FEET MORE. SO PROBABLY 1.358. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT EIGHT FOOT. I CAN FROM MY CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE LIKE THE LARGER ONE. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH A LARGER ONE. HAS THE 14 FOOT ONE OR THE LARGER ONE, AS IN THE NINE FOOT ONE WASN'T 14, IT WAS JUST 1111. I'M SORRY. MY BAD. 11 IS STILL PRETTY GIANT.
11 IS THE 522 CORRECT? GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M SANDRA RODRIGUEZ TOLEDO. I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR AMGEN HERE IN OHIO. I THINK WE HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN FIRST IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK. SO SORRY. I HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN. OH, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
OKAY. THANK YOU, I SWEAR. THANK YOU. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE? SANDRA RODRIGUEZ.
TOLEDO. OKAY. SO THE ASK IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE VISIBILITY. WE ARE DOING A SECOND BUILDING AND OUR OPERATION IS GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY. WE ARE STARTING WITH A 10,000 MILLIONS OF UNITS TO MOVING TO 2032 BY 125,000 MILLION UNITS. SO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE WILL NEED
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SIGNIFICANT. SO WE REALLY RUN A REPRESENTATION OF AMGEN SIGN THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE IT, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT IS GOING TO THE SITE AS WELL. AND THAT MAKES HONOR TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AT EIGHT. IF YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 9 AND 11 IS SIGNIFICANT AND IT DOESN'T LOOK THE NINE AS POWERFUL THAT 11, I UNDERSTAND THE CODE, BUT AS WELL WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND IF TO SEE IT FROM THE FROM THE HIGHWAY. AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE HIGHWAY IS AROUND A LITTLE OVER ONE. SO THAT IS THE ASK, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE SEEN FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT PRESENTED THAT IT MAY BE GOOD. THE IDEA OF HAVING A CODE THAT IS RELATED TO THE SITE OF THE BUILDING AND NEW ALBANY IS GROWING, SO THAT GROWTH WILL HELP FOR ALL THE COMPANIES THAT WE ARE HERE TO HAVE THE PROPER PRESENTATION AND SUBMISSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.THAT ACTUALLY WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. IS THE DISTANCE ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WE'VE GOT 1.35% RATIO FOR SIGNS, RIGHT? YOU MEAN FOR THE EXISTING SIGNAGE? I KNOW I DON'T BELIEVE I THINK IT'S LOW WAY LOWER THAN LOWER. OKAY. HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE STREET IS THAT VERSUS THE DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING. THE ON THE SIDE THE EXISTING FACILITY IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 500FT. SO IT'S 5000. SO WE'RE DOUBLING. SO IT'S 500FT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE. NORTH SIDE IS 1000 A LITTLE OVER 1000 TO 1032 IF YOU WANT. OKAY. AND THAT'S FROM 161. IS THAT TRUE. THAT'S 101 61 OR NEW. 161 I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS. WELL I THINK YES, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A HIGHWAY THAT RUNS FROM THE HIGHWAY.
YEAH. YEAH. THE ROAD THAT THE ENTRANCE TO AMGEN. ON IS OLD DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD AND THEN THE HIGHWAYS PARALLEL. OKAY. STAFF SPECIFICALLY CHRIS, I THINK I DON'T KNOW YOU YOU BOTH MIGHT KNOW. HAVE WE EVER CONSIDERED DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD WHEN WE'VE DONE THE EVALUATIONS OF THE SIGNAGE? I KNOW WE TYPICALLY GO RATIO. AND I'LL SAY IN MY TENURE WE'VE TALKED RATIO TO BUILDING. CURIOUS, OKAY, COMBAT BETWEEN SIERRA AND I, OLD SCHOOL VARIANCES LIKE AMAZON. THE DISTANCE DEFINITELY CAME UP. OR JUST, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO FURTHER BACK WITH THE SITE, THE IMPACT OF THE HOW BIG IT IS DEFINITELY DECREASES. YEAH. IT DOES LOOK LIKE THIS ONE'S ABOUT MY CORRECT MEASUREMENTS, ABOUT 800FT AWAY FROM OLD DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD. IT'S ABOUT 400 500 ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE. I THINK AMAZON WAS SET BACK ABOUT 4 OR 500FT AWAY, AND THAT'S ABOUT 300FT■!S IN SIZE. E AMPLIFIED BIO ON I'M NOT SURE HERE IF YOU GUYS CONSIDERED SETBACKS. THOSE ARE MUCH SMALLER BUILDINGS ON MUCH SMALLER LOTS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. YEAH. DOES THANK YOU. THAT IS HELPFUL. MY QUESTION GOES TO BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL SOME RESIDENTS OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, ON BABBITT ROAD IN THAT AREA. CORRECT. OR IS THIS FURTHER FURTHER NORTH? OKAY. SO THERE'S NO IMPACT ON THAT.
CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO I BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT I BELIEVE THERE THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT. CORRECT. YEAH. SO TIANA KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS SIGN, OTHER THAN JUST BEING AN ADVERTISEMENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MCDONALD'S. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE FOLKS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD NEED TO FIND AMGEN TO GO GET THEIR MEDICINE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DISTRIBUTION CENTER. SO, YOU KNOW, TRUCKERS, WHATEVER, EMPLOYEES OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. SO SHORT OF JUST ADVERTISING. YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS FOR WAYFINDING, YOU KNOW, OR I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT, I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, I'M, I'M IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS. I WANT MORE SIGNS. ALL SIGNS, BIG SIGNS. I'M SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T DO A 12 FOOT VERSION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ROOM ON THAT FACE TO DO THAT. SO I'M VERY PRO SIGN. I'M ALSO VERY LEERY ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT SAYS, ALL RIGHT, WE'VE JUST GOT THIS BRAND NEW
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SHINY CODE THAT WE JUST PASSED A FEW MINUTES AGO FOR. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PASS THE BIGGEST VARIANCE THAT WE'VE EVER DONE ON SEVERAL METRICS, RIGHT, IF WE HAVE THIS NEW SIGN CODE. SO I'M TRYING TO WEIGH ALL THAT IN, DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WELL, I CAN'T DECIDE ANYTHING. I CAN JUST TALK, WHICH IS A GREAT SPOT TO BE IN. I JUST SO YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN JUST WANTING PEOPLE TO SEE THIS OFF THE HIGHWAY AND SANDRA TOUCHED ON, THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER BUILDING. SO IS IT GOING TO LOOK OUT OF SCALE. YOU HAVE THIS THIS SIGN HERE AND THEN THE NEW BUILDING. I THINK IT LOOKS SILLY. IF IT DIDN'T HAVE EITHER THE SAME SIZE SIGN, IF THE NEWER BUILDINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION ON BUILDING TWO, WHICH IS A SIMILAR BUILDING TO THIS ONE. AND THAT HAS BOTH MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING AND SOME ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE. THERE'S A PLAN TO ESSENTIALLY MIMIC OR DOUBLE BUILDING TWO. AGAIN, THE AREA THAT THIS SITS ON IS A HIGH BAY WAREHOUSE. IT'S ALL AUTOMATED AUTOMATIC SUPPLY AND RETRIEVAL SYSTEM. SO THIS ONE CURRENTLY SITS AT AROUND 60FT. OUR NEXT ONE IS GONNA BE AROUND 75. SO THIS ONE WILL ACTUALLY BE LIKE THE LITTLE BROTHER COMPARED TO THE NEXT TWO. WE REALLY CAN'T PUT IT ON THE NEXT TWO. IF WE DID THAT, WE'D BE BLOCKED BY THE TREES FROM 161. SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT. SO THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE SIGNAGE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO GET LIKE A BLOCKBUSTER SIGN ON THE NEW BUILDING. NO. THE EXAMPLE THAT THIS ONE WOULD SERVE AS THE OVERALL SITE TO BE ABLE TO SEE. OKAY, I WANT TO REITERATE HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE AMGEN AND YOU BRINGING YOUR BUSINESS TO NEW ALBANY. I MEAN, WE LOVE ALL THAT, I GUESS, AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY MAY BE SIMILARLY, BUT I WOULD LOVE MAYBE SOME KIND OF NEGOTIATION HERE. THIS IS A REALLY BIG ASK THAT PUTS US IN A REALLY TOUGH POSITION. EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES IN FRONT OF US FOR THE NEXT, HOWEVER MANY YEARS. SO I WOULD I WOULD LOVE MAYBE SOME RECONSIDERATION ON YOUR END TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PALPABLE FOR US. DID YOU DO A VERSION? I'M SORRY, DID YOU DO A VERSION OF THIS WITH ANY DIFFERENT SIZES? I'VE GOT THAT SAME VERSION SOMEPLACE. WE GOT THE NINE. I CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE THAT I CAN GET THAT FOR. SO THIS IS THE 11TH. THE. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT, JOHN, WHAT'S THE TIME? WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DECISION ON THIS? THE INTENT IS TO TRY AND HAVE. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SIGN UP WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE BUILDING TO. WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT. I MEAN I KNOW LIKE I SAID, WEEKS AWAY, MONTHS AWAY.THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET APPROVAL. WE WERE GOING TO WORK WITH THE TIME TO START SIGNING.
BUT BUT LIKE WHAT'S REALITY THOUGH? LIKE COULD IT WAIT A COUPLE MONTHS? SO IF WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND SAID, LOOK, OUR CODE IS NOT WORKING FOR A LOT OF OUR CORPORATE ACCOUNTS AND WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOME FORMULA THAT'S GOING TO BE REALISTIC, AND WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE, IS THAT.
OCTOBER? OR. OCTOBER? OKAY. SO I'M HEARING YOU ASK FOR US TO CONSIDER THE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET AND THE ZONING AND THE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. PERFECT. OKAY. WELL, AND ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD GO INTO THIS NEW CALCULATION DISTANCE FROM THE STREET SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING LENGTH OF THE BUILDING. IT WOULD BE MORE SCIENTIFIC. THAT WOULD MATCH. ALL THESE. SO I GUESS. YEAH. SO I GUESS THIS IS TO STAFF. HOW CAN WE QUICKLY ASSEMBLE A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO SAY 300FT IS NOT GOING TO WORK? BECAUSE TODAY WE HAVE TWO, ONE IS 522FT■!S? YEAH. WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY. I KNOW THAT WE DID PRESENT A RATIO TO YOU GUYS WHEN WE INITIALLY BROUGHT THE CODE CHANGE THROUGH, AND YOU GUYS WEREN'T SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AT THE TIME, THAT I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN UNTIL OCTOBER AND SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS NEW SHINY METRIC TO LOOK AT THIS AND TO EVALUATE THIS BY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC.
YEAH. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE JUST PASSED A NEW CODE. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BUT JUST WANT TO FLESH SOME OF THIS OUT TONIGHT WHILE WE HAVE YOU GUYS FROM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I CAN'T SEE A SCENARIO WHERE WE COULD ALLOW A 500 SQUARE FOOT SIGN WITHOUT ALLOWING THE HOSPITAL ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? A 500 SQUARE FOOT SIGN AND THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS ACROSS THE STREET, 500 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO THE DANGERS OF DOING THE RATIOS AND ALLOWING A
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GREATER SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN JUST 200. I THINK WITH ANY VARIANCES. AND YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. ALSO, REAL QUICK PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK. IT'S BEEN SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2024 SINCE YOU LAST HAD A VARIANCE FOR THIS THE SIGN CODE. SO IT IS WORKING. PEOPLE ARE COMPLYING WITH THIS CODE BY AND LARGE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WHEN WE INCREASED THE SIZE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES FOR RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF VARIANCES FOR THAT. THOSE CODE CHANGES ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE EVERY UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. AND THIS THIS ONE MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES. AND I DO THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, GIVING THIS BOARD DISCRETION IS VALUABLE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SET.OKAY. EVERYTHING HAS TO FALL IN THIS. THAT'S WHY THIS, YOU KNOW, BOARD SITS HERE. THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE CONSIDERATIONS LIKE HOW FAR IT SITS FROM THE HIGHWAY. NOW, THAT SAID, IT DOES OPEN THE DOOR FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO COME IN. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY HAVE A LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THIS SIGN GETS APPROVED AS IT SITS TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE REALLY GOOD REASONS WHY THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN, WHY THIS GOT APPROVED, AND WHY WE CAN TELL THEM THAT THEIRS DID NOT GET APPROVED. AND WE JUST NEED TO. I THINK THAT'S THE DEFINITION THAT WE NEED TO SEEK OUT IN THE NEXT. IF THIS ULTIMATELY DOESN'T GO TO A VOTE TONIGHT AND IT COMES BACK. SO THAT'S MY $0.02 THAT WE JUST REALLY I DON'T THINK IT'S IT.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T CONSIDER THESE VARIANCES LIKE WE JUST DID. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE REASONS WHY THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES ALONG MAY NOT GET APPROVED. YEAH IT'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA. AND THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH YOU KNOW AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE VARIANCES LIKE THE NEW ALBANY LINK OR THE ALBANY FARMS HAVE MASSIVE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE NEVER GOING TO MEET OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER IS SAYING, IN THOSE INSTANCES, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY SPECIFIC OF WHY YOU'RE APPROVING THEM, BECAUSE YOU'RE A REALLY GOOD JOB ABOUT THAT. AS TO NOT SET PRECEDENT FOR A MUCH SMALLER COMMERCIAL BUILDING, A MUCH SMALLER SITE THAT CAN COME IN AND SAY, HEY, I'M 700FT AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY TWO, WHY CAN'T I HAVE A 500 SQUARE FOOT SIGN? YOU APPROVED IT OVER HERE. LIKE BEING MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT. THAT'S REALLY HARD TO CAPTURE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE I THINK WE NEED BETTER BENCHMARKS OF WHAT DRIVES THE SIZE OF THE SIGN. DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. LIKE JUST SOME JUST SOME FORMULAS TO HELP GUIDE US. YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE END OF THIS. THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY AT 300, BECAUSE THOSE BUILDINGS OUT THERE ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE ALL THAT'S BEEN GOING THROUGH MY MIND IS REALLY PIGGYBACKING ON EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO BE ENCOURAGING TO OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAVE CHOSEN NEW ALBANY TO NOT ONLY ESTABLISH THEIR BUSINESS, BUT GROW THEIR BUSINESS, WHICH WE'RE APPRECIATIVE THIS TOWN IS CONTINUING TO THRIVE AND GROW. 161 IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A LOCATION WHERE COMMERCIAL SIGNS ARE GOING TO BE SEEN. AND THE QUESTION I GUESS I HAVE, EVEN THOUGH THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT. WITH THE COMMERCIAL SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN ON 161, I MEAN, THANK GOD I STILL HAVE EYESIGHT, SO I STILL SEE PLENTY OF SIGNS THAT ARE ON 161 ON THE NEW 161 AND HIGHWAY. HOW CAN WE NOT USE THOSE KIND OF AS A FRAME, A FRAME OF REFERENCE? OR ARE THEY SO CLOSE TO 161 THAT THIS IS PROBABLY AN OUTLIER IN THIS CASE? WOULD YOU PROBABLY CHARACTERIZE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL SIGNS ON 161 WHEN WE START TO GET THIS WOULD BE AN OUTLIER. THIS WOULD BE AN OUTLIER. OKAY. SO THAT'S SO THIS IS DEFINITELY TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT OKAY. YEAH. OTHER SIGNS YOU'RE REFERENCING MORE BILLBOARD SIGNS. WELL I'M THINKING BOB EVANS SIGN I'M THINKING I'M THINKING I MEAN I SEE THOSE ON 161. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NOT THAT'S NOT 1000FT. YEAH. THOSE ARE MUCH, MUCH CLOSER. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY. YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL OF. THE 1000FT GAP. AND THIS IS AGAIN PROBABLY WILL NOT BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THAT SITUATION. GIVEN THAT THIS IS A CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'RE HAVING. AND. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE PARTNERS, RIGHT? I WILL MOVE THAT. WE CONTINUE THIS AND WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE HOW DO I NEED TO KIND OF FORMALLY MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL. AND THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO SET A, A PTA MEETING THAT WE'RE TABLING IT TO ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE TEAM. IT WOULD,
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WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE ALSO SUBMITTED THE OTHER SIGNS ABOUT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS WITH INTERVIEWS? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT. VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. SO I GUESS THAT COMES DOWN JUST PICKING UP A MEETING BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE WHAT PTA MEETING TO TABLE TO? I THINK IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME AND PRESENT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, I THINK ALLOWING THEM TO COME ANYTIME WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. BUT IN TERMS OF CREATING A WHOLE DIFFERENT CODE SECTION, THAT COULD TAKE SOME TIME. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR THIS ONE RIGHT NOW. THAT THAT COULD BE A SOMETHING THAT WE EXPLORE GOING FORWARD. BUT I'M JUST TALKING IMMEDIATELY THIS THIS CASE. YEAH. IF IT WAS IF IT'S JUST FOR YOU GUYS TO PRESENT NEW INFORMATION AS TO NEW EVALUATION, WE COULD MEET NEXT MONTH. YEAH, IT COULD BE AN INFORMAL MEETING. YEAH. OR MORE FORMAL OR WHICHEVER WAY. YEAH. JUST 30 DAYS IS FINE. WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE THE INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS BY. OH, YEAH. THAT'S PERFECT. YEAH. IT'S NOT GOING TO 30 DAYS. 30 DAYS. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO I'LL MOVE THAT. WE TABLE VARIANCE FOR 1-2025 FOR 30 DAYS TILL OUR NEXT MEETING. AND IN THE INTERIM WE'LL RECEIVE THOSE ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS AND WE'LL COME TALK TOGETHER THEN. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE AN ACTION FOR US TO GET BACK TOGETHER TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THIS 300 REALLY MAKE SENSE? AND CAN WE MAKE IT A BETTER FORMULA. AND I KNOW YOU'RE YOU'RE CHALLENGING ME ON THE FORMULA, BUT WE DON'T REALLY. WHY IS IT 300? WHY ISN'T IT 355 OR AND WHERE'S THE DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT? I THINK WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING SIGNS, AND MOST OF THEM WERE IN THE 100 RANGE AND 200. SO IT WAS KIND OF 200 WAS KIND OF OUR MIDDLE GROUND. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE LANDED ON. WE DID LOOK AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND. MOST OF THEM ARE 75FT■!S. HOWEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS PARK THE SIZE OF OURS. SO BUT YEAH, I THINK IT WAS JUST LIKE LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN JUST SAYING, OKAY, 200 FEELS LIKE THE SWEET SPOT, BUT WE KNEW IT MAY NOT BE OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT AS A YEAH WE CAN YEAH WE CAN TAKE A LOOK OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF MEASUREMENT. YES. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE I WROTE THAT DOWN TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL. AND DO WE INCLUDE LIKE DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW THOSE THINGS.I MEAN I'M JUST TRYING TO GET OBJECTIVE DATA THAT CAN HELP STEER US TO THE RIGHT DECISION.
YEAH. I MEAN, THE DISTANCE OF THE ROAD, I DON'T KNOW. MY ONLY CONCERN IS IF, LIKE, SOMEONE HAD A SITE CONSTRAINT AND THEY CAN'T BE FAR, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS YOU WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. YEAH. THERE'S ALL THIS DATA THAT CAN HELP US SHAPE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK. YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK IN THAT. WE CAN DO A WORKSHOP. WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH IN 30 DAYS. I'M JUST TRYING TO ADD SCIENCE TO THE DECISION MAKING AND.
YEAH, IF WE COULD MAKE SENSE. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
THANK YOU, MISS SAMUELS. YES, MR. JACOB? YES, MR. WOOD? YES. MR. YES. MR. SHELL. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE TABLING OF THE APPLICATION FOR 30 DAYS UNTIL THE NEXT PTA MEETING. THANK YOU. WE'LL GET THERE. THANK YOU. JUST TAKE. THANKS, EVERYBODY. THANK
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YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT? YES. YEP. LET ME JUST CHECK THIS OUT. THANKS, FOLKS. THANK YOU. SORRY I'M MAKING THIS UP. YEAH. SO I ADDED THE ANNUAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING TO THE AGENDA. SO THIS IS JUST ELECTING A CHAIRPERSON, A VICE CHAIRPERSON, A SECRETARY, AND ALSO ESTABLISHING A DATE AND TIME FOR 2025 FOR THE MEETINGS AT THAT TIME. THAT'S NIGHT. WE DO THAT TONIGHT. YOU DO THAT TONIGHT. AND THIS IS THE LAST MEETING YOU CAN DO IT AT. COULD YOU REITERATE EVERYONE'S POSITION NOW. YEAH. SO IT WILL BE THE CHAIRPERSON. THE VICE CHAIRPERSON. OH I'M SORRY, WHO IS. YES IT'S SEAN. SEAN. YES.KIANA. AND NO I'M SORRY. SEAN AND ABE. OKAY. YES. AND YOU MEET ON THE. WE SWITCH TO 630. IT WAS ORIGINALLY SEVEN AND 630 IS WHERE WE. SO JEREMIAH THOUGHTS IS 630 GOOD AS OUR NEWEST MEMBER. 630 IS GREAT. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S PERFECT FOR ME. THANKS. GOOD. EVERYBODY LIKE TO MAINTAIN? YES. MAINTAIN THEIR POSITION. YES PLEASE. OKAY. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND. OH SORRY. I'M HAPPY. I'M HAPPY TO STAY HERE. BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS MY JOB YOU CAN TAKE IT. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. BUT I'M HAPPY TO STAY HERE. GOOD. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN YOU'VE
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BEEN YOUR TEN YEAR. I THINK YOU REFLECTED WHY I SUPPORT YOU TO CONTINUE TO BE CHAIR TONIGHT.JUST THINKING. BIG PICTURE. THINKING LONG TERM. OKAY. AND I'LL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I KNOW TINA AND I WERE SWORN IN THE SAME NIGHT. I STILL TAKING IN, YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE, EVERYTHING. SO I'LL SECOND THAT FOR SEAN. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY SECOND TO EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING. SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DO THIS? YOU CAN DO A SLATE. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO APPROVE THAT. DID YOU MOVE IT? I DIDN'T MOVE A SLATE, I. OKAY, SO I MOVE FOR THE NEXT YEAR TO ELECT SEAN AS CHAIR. ABE JACOBS VICE CHAIR, TIANA SAMUELS AS SECRETARY, AND TO MAINTAIN THE 630 ON A MONDAY, THE FOURTH MONDAY FOR OUR BZA MEETINGS FOR NEXT YEAR. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. JACOB.
YES. MR. YES. MR. SHELL. YES. MR. YES. MISS. SAMUELS. YES. MR. WOOD. YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE. SEAN AS CHAIRPERSON, TIANA AS VICE CHAIR. OH, I'M SORRY. ABE AS VICE CHAIR. YEAH, OKAY. TIANA IS SECRETARY. AND TO ESTABLISH THE FOURTH MONDAY OF THE MONTH AT NEW ALBANY VILLAGE HALL AT 6:30 P.M. FOR THE 220, 25 REGULAR MEETINGS. AND I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THE ATTENDANCE POLICY IS PRINTED UP THERE. SO WHAT? OKAY, SO WHERE IS THAT CURRENTLY? I KNOW I CAN I JUST GOT I JUST GAVE MYSELF FOR YOU ALL TO READ. BUT LET ME JUST READ THAT. HOW HAS IT CHANGED? CAN WE LIKE SURFACE LEVEL? HOW MUCH I KNOW IT'S THREE CONSECUTIVE. WHAT WERE THE AMENDMENTS TO? IT USED TO BE THAT UNDER THE OLD CODE, WHEN YOU MISSED THREE IN A ROW AND JUST JUMP IN WHEREVER UNDER THE OLD CODE WHEN YOU MISSED THREE, IT WAS LIKE AN AUTOMATIC FORFEITURE. AND NOW MISSING THREE ABSENCES IN A ROW OR FOUR ABSENCES IN ANY 12 MONTH PERIOD.
OKAY, EVEN THAT IS GROUNDS FOR FORFEITURE. AND THEN ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEN STAFF PERSON WILL COMMUNICATE WITH ME OR WITH JENNIFER AND ALL COMMUNICATE WITH JENNIFER MASON OR COMMUNICATE WITH JENNIFER MASON, AND THEY'LL AND THEY'LL COMMUNICATE WITH COUNSEL ON THAT. AND THEN THEY'LL LOOK AT WHETHER THE ABSENCES WERE EXCUSED. OKAY. SO THE GROUNDS FOR FORFEITURE IS FOR ACTION TAKEN IS DETERMINED BY EXECUTIVE SESSION OF COUNCIL, BASICALLY LIKE THE CASE WILL BE. AND COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY DETERMINE THEIR FATE. YEAH OKAY.
GOT IT. HOW DO WE GET MR. KISSED TO BE A PERMANENT MEMBER? I MEAN, THAT'S A NO BRAINER. I'LL SECOND THAT AT THIS POINT. TWICE THIS YEAR. YEAH. HOW DOES THAT WORK. WE USUALLY SWITCH UP AT START. WELL WE HAVEN'T HAD OUR BOARD MEETING YET. SO IS THAT EVERY YEAR YOU GUYS SWITCH ROTATE THROUGH. IT'S GONE A COUPLE YEARS NOW. BUT YOU'RE COMING OVER HERE NEXT. YEA.
ENDORSEMENT OR SOMETHING I. WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT FINE. YOU ARE FINE. YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? STAFF WE NEED TO COVER TONIGHT. OKAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING SECOND. MR. YES. MR. JACOB? YES. MR. SHELL? YES, MISS. SAM
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