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ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED HERE. WELCOME, EVERYBODY, TO THE WHAT IS TODAY, JULY 28TH, 2025 BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING. WELCOME TO AS. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CALL TO ORDER. WE HAVE THE ORDER, PLEASE. MR. PRESIDENT. MR. JACOB. PRESENT, MR. SCHELL.
PRESENT. MISS SAMUELS. PRESENT. MR. WOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. HERE. WE ARE. WE HAVE FOUR VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ACTION
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OF THE MEETING. THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 23RD, 2025. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES? CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS TO THE MEETING MINUTES? NONE HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 23RD BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING. I'LL SECOND THAT. MR. JACOB. YES. MR. YES. MR. SCHELL? YES. MISS SAMUELS. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES[IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda]
AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? STAFF. NOTHING. OKAY. OR ANY OF OUR VISITORS PLANNING TO SPEAK TONIGHT? OKAY. JOHN. YES, SIR. JOHN. I HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN AGAIN. JOHN. SO SORRY.STAND UP. STATE YOUR NAME. JOHN PICKETT. YEAH. GOOD. GOOD. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND
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NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE TWO CASES TONIGHT. THE FIRST CASE IS VARIANCE 41 TO 0 TWO FIVE. AMGEN SIGN VARIANCE. VARIANCE TO CODIFY ORDINANCE TO EXCEED SIGN AREA REQUIREMENTS FOR AMGEN. LOCATED AT 4150 GATTON PARKWAY. AND THIS IS. OUR FOLKS FROM AMGEN ARE BACK. WE MET WITH THEM LAST TIME. SO THEY'VE COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL OR SOME OPTIONS. SO APPRECIATE IT. COULD WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IT WAS TABLED FROM LAST MONTH BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE SIGN SIZES FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER. AND SO THAT STAFF MAY EVALUATE SIGN CODE WHICH WILL BE ADDRESSED LATER TONIGHT. THIS IS THE SITE FOR AMGEN, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF ROUTE 161. AND THE SIGN PROPOSAL IS ON THAT NORTH SIDE FACING ROUTE 161. AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER EXISTING SIGNS ON THE WEST AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING. THE ORIGINAL REQUEST PROPOSED A 5.22 OR SORRY 522.5FT■!S WALL SIGN, WHICH IS 11FT TALL AND COMPRISES 2.22% OF THE BUILDING FACADE. AS ANOTHER REMINDER, THE LARGEST WALL SIGN IN THE CITY IS AMAZON'S 297 SQUARE FOOT WALL SIGN, AND THE LARGEST SIGN OF FACADE RATIO THAT WE KNOW IN THE CITY IS 1.35% FOR AMPLIFYBIO. SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THREE ALTERNATIVE SIGN SIZES. THAT TOP RENDERING IS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. THE THREE PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES ARE A NINE FOOT TALL, 349 SQUARE FOOT WALL WALL SIGN, AND EIGHT FOOT TALL, 283 SQUARE FOOT WALL SIGN AND A SEVEN FOOT TALL, 199 SQUARE FOOT WALL SIGN. THESE SHOW WHAT THOSE SIGNS WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM 161. WE BELIEVE THE SEVEN FOOT TALL SIGN, THOUGH IT WOULD MEET CODE, IT MAY APPEAR UNDER SCALED ON THE LARGE FACADE, AND FROM THAT APPROXIMATELY 1000 FOOT SETBACK FROM 161 AND THE 8 OR 9 FOOT WALL SIGN OR SORRY, THE 8 OR 9 FOOT TALL WALL SIGN WOULD APPEAR MORE LEGIBLE AND PROPERLY SCALED. THE EIGHT FOOT TALL SIGN MAY BE MOST CONSISTENT WITH OUR STANDARDS, AND WITHOUT EXCEEDING WHAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD FOR LARGE SIGN VARIANCES. IT IS UNDER THE LARGEST SIGN OF FACADE RATIO OF 1.335%, WHICH THE NINE FOOT TALL SIGN IS OVER AND IT IS UNDER THE 297FT■!S SIZE, WHICH THE NINE FT TALL SIGN EXCEEDS AS WELL. SO THAT'S FOR THAT EIGHT FOOT TALL SIGN. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THE OPTIONS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS IS THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION. AROUND THE WELL BE A LITTLE REDUNDANT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WE HAD[00:05:02]
LAST TIME RELATED TO SPECIFICALLY THESE TYPE OF FUTURE SIGNAGE, BECAUSE WE IT WAS BROUGHT UP AND IT WAS KIND OF A POINT WITH ME THAT THIS IS LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE THE ONLY BUSINESS THAT IS GOING TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF SITUATION. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY WE LANDED WHERE WE HAVEN'T WITH THE PAST, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT LOCATION. WHEREAS THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD AND JUST BEING MINDFUL OF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WHO CHOOSE NEW ALBANY DO HAVE PROPER SIGNAGE WITHIN A DAY FROM THE CURRENT 161 LOCATION. WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ON THAT? YEAH, WE HAVE HAD ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT KIND OF EVALUATING THE SIGN CODE, WHERE IT IS NOW, WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED ABOUT IT IN THE PAST. SO WE WILL BE ADDRESSING A LOT OF THAT WITH THE WORKSHOP LATER ON WITH THE SIGN CODE. WAS THERE ANY OF AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. SO OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON TOO MUCH ON THE SPOT AND SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE ARE YOU DECIDING? BUT WERE THE OPTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT ARE EXPLORING KIND OF IN THE REALM OF THOSE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, WOULD YOU SAY SO FAR, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN, SET A PRECEDENT HERE, AND THEN YOU ALL MAKE A DECISION. THAT'S A LITTLE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF WE'RE IN LOCKSTEP.IF THAT'S THE DECISION WE MAKE AT THE END OF THE DAY. YES. HE DID SOME RESEARCH AND RESURRECTED KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT SHE AND STEVE TOOK THIS BOARD THROUGH LATE LAST YEAR.
AND WHAT WE'RE WITH THE WORKSHOP, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE MAXIMUM SIGN AREA. WE DID TAKE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LOOK NOT TO STEALS HERE LATER, BUT WE DID TAKE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LOOK AROUND CENTRAL OHIO AND SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AND DETERMINED THAT OUR 200 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM IS ACTUALLY FAR AND ABOVE WHAT A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE. A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE A MAXIMUM SIGN AREA LIMITATION OF 75FT■!S, SO WE'RE ALREADY WELL ABOVE THAT. WE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT THE SETBACKS IN RELATION TO THE SIGN SIZES AT EACH OF THE SITES THAT WE'VE THAT THAT WE'VE APPROVED VARIANT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED VARIANCES FOR. WE BELIEVE THAT THE VARIANCE PATH IS THE RIGHT PATH FOR UNIQUE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS ONE, WHERE WE HAVE A VERY LARGE SETBACK OFF OF A OFF OF A ROADWAY. AND TO BE CANDID WITH YOU, THERE'S PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO BE A SITUATION THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH AFTER A MONTH'S WORK THAT WOULD SOLVE ANY AND ALL VARIANCE REQUESTS. SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE PROPER PATH FOR THIS, THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION. SO, SO SORRY, I JUST. HEY.
THANKS, CHRIS. SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THERE'S NO WORKSHOP PLAN TO REVISIT THIS. IS THAT CORRECT? WE WILL BE REMINDING THE BOARD OF THAT RESEARCH AT THE END OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. OR OTHER BUSINESS, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. OKAY. BASED ON WHAT WE PRESENT, WE CERTAINLY CAN. BUT NO, THERE WILL BE NO PROPOSED CHANGES. THANK YOU.
IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT WE MIGHT BE STICKING WITH THE 200 SQUARE FOOT. SO I GUESS TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR. AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT SHORTLY. BUT THE NINE FOOT, JUST TO REITERATE, WOULD EXCEED ANYTHING WE'VE ALLOWED IN THE PAST. CORRECT? YES. IN SIZE AND GENERALLY IN THE HOW MUCH IT COMPRISES OF THE FACADE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE A QUICK MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORT. SO MOVED. SECOND, MR. JACOB? YES, MISS. SAMUELS? YES.
MR. YES. MR. SHELL. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? YEAH, JUST JUST BRIEFLY. I THE ORIGINAL INTENT WE HAD WITH THE 11 FOOT SIGN, WE ACTUALLY REALIZED THAT THAT WAS LARGER THAN WAS PROBABLY. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE NINE FOOT SIGN IS THE ONE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT. THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BE A GOOD CITIZEN HERE. AMGEN IS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE AMGEN NAME AND BRAND. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK FOR SURE. YOU KNOW, AND IS THE EIGHT FOOT PALPABLE? I THINK THAT IS OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE BOARD, ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE 1.35% VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED. WHAT WAS THE SETBACK ON THAT ONE? WAS IT. YEAH, THE SETBACK WAS VERY SMALL FOR THAT ONE. AND REMIND ME OF AMPLIFIED BIO OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EIGHT FOOT SIGN. JUST BECAUSE IF
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WE WENT TO THE NINE FOOT SIGN, WE'RE BREAKING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY CREATED. AND THAT FITS WITHIN THE PRECEDENCE OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED. SO MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE EIGHT FOOT SIGN. SECOND. MR. LAJEUNESSE. YES. MR. JACOB? YES, MISS. SAMUELS? YES. WITH NO OF THE SETBACK AS A RATIONALE FOR THE VARIANCE APPROVAL. MR. SHELL? YES. THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE EIGHT FOOT SIGN PASSES WITH ALL VOTES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR COMING BACK. WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, LET'S GO TO OUR SECOND CASE OF THE NIGHT, WHICH IS VARIANCE 53 TO 0 256994. KINDLER DRIVE EASEMENT VARIANCE VARIANCE TO CODIFY ORDINANCE TO ALLOW A DECK TO ENCROACH INTO A PLATTED EASEMENT LOCATED AT 6994 KINDLER DRIVE. CAN WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT, SO JUST A LITTLE SITE PLAN TO SHOW WHERE WE'RE AT. SO THIS IS A 0.29 ACRE LOT IN SECTION FIVE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SURROUNDED BY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. SO JUST SO EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE, THIS IS JUST AN OUTLINE AGAIN OF THE SAME PARCEL. WE'RE LOOKING AT LOT 143 AND READ HERE IN THE YELLOW IS THE PLATTED EASEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING. JUST SO EVERYBODY'S KIND OF AWARE OF WHERE IT'S SITTING ON. LOTS A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE HERE THAN IN AERIAL SHOTS. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING PATIO ON THE LOT. IT'S AS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL AS IN THE APPLICANT'S REASONING LETTER. THERE WERE NO PERMITS PULLED FOR THIS PATIO IN THE PAST DUE TO KIND OF A CODE CHANGE THAT WE HAD. THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THEY NEEDED TO GET A VARIANCE FOR IN THE PAST, OR PERMIT FOR IN THE PAST. BUT AS IT SITS TODAY, IT IS 17FT DEEP INTO THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT AND RUNS ABOUT 20FT ALONG THE LINE OF IT ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN FOR THE PROPOSED PATIO. SO THESE ONES ARE SHOWING THAT IT WOULD BE LESS ENCROACHING DEPTH WISE, IT WOULD ONLY BE TEN FEET IN TO THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT, BUT IT WOULD RUN ABOUT 39FT ALONG THAT BACK LINE. SO THEY ARE TRYING TO BE MORE COMPLIANT THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS. SORRY. SO YES, IT WOULD BE ENCROACHING LESS DEPTH WISE RIGHT HERE. SORRY. WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT'S THIS DISTANCE RIGHT HERE. OH YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S I THINK THAT'S THE 21FT THE FULL THE LONGEST PART OF IT. YEAH. GOING FOR FROM HERE TO HERE. OH 13FT I BELIEVE. OKAY. WE JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE CITY ENGINEER DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND SAID THAT IT IS MOST LIKELY THAT PART OF THE PROPOSED PATIO IS STILL GOING TO BE SITTING OVER THE SEWER LINE ITSELF, RATHER THAN JUST IN THAT 20 FOOT BUFFER THAT WE HAVE AROUND IT, WHICH TO THE CITY ENGINEERS, MAKES IT MORE OF A SUBSTANTIAL THING THAN NOT. AND THE CITY ENGINEER ALSO DID REVIEW THAT APPLICATION AND WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE WOULD IF IT IS APPROVED, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT NONE OF THE PLANTINGS ARE PUT IN THE EASEMENT SIDE OF IT, DUE TO THE ROOTS HAVING ACCESS TO THAT UNDER THE GROUND LINE, AND THEN IF THE BOARD DOES CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS PUT ON IT. AND I'M HERE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I NOTICED THAT WITHIN THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED TO US THAT THE APPLICANT HAD HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER. THEY'RE AWARE OF THE RISKS, THE BUILDING AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE LIABILITY FOR THE DAMAGE OCCURS. DID WE GET THE THUMBS UP ON ANY OF THE REMAINING CONDITIONS? THAT THEY'RE DISCUSSED IN? OKAY, JUST ONE CHECK. SO THIS IS A QUESTION WE ALWAYS ASK. AND I[00:15:03]
ASSUME THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THIS. YES. APPROVED IT AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT. YEP. WE HAD ONE PERSON CALL IN AND IT WAS MORE OF JUST A THEY WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE VARIANCE WAS FOR, BUT WASN'T A NEGATIVE OR A POSITIVE. JUST A QUESTION. OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE OF THE PATTERN? I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT PATIO WILL BE TEN FEET WITHIN THE EASEMENT? CORRECT. LIKE THERE'S NO BACKYARD. THERE'S TEN FEET EASEMENT INTO THAT. YEAH, OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. I GUESS THAT WAS COME TO THE MIC IF YOU WANT TO.YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME TO. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN THOUGH SO I CAN RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO THANK YOU. WHAT WAS YOUR STATE? YOUR NAME? BRANDON. MANLEY. OKAY. MY SON RUNS THE OFFICE. OKAY. SO THIS IS A DECK. IT'S. IT'S LABELED AS A DECK. IT'S JUST A TABLE. YEAH. I MEAN, OTHER THAN FIVE YEARS AGO, NO REFERENCE REQUIRED. IT'S FREESTANDING. IT'S NOT REALLY PERMANENT. IT JUST HAS A GRAVEL BASE AND A LEVEL WITH THE GROUND. IF YOU WERE OUT ON SITE, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU DID A FIELD TRIP, YOU'D BE LIKE, YEAH, IT ACTUALLY NEEDS A PAVER PATIO BECAUSE THE GROUND IS GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION CURRENTLY OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING PAD. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE FLAT TO THE PATIO. YOU'RE JUST BEING PLACED IN THE GROUND, A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCRETE EDGE RESTRAINT. YOU DON'T NEED SOME PLASTIC RESTRAINTS, SPICINESS POPPING OUT OF THE GROUND. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT IS IN THIS PLACE ON A GRAVEL BASE. A LOT OF WHAT THE GROUND SLOPED AWAY FROM THE HOUSE, IT ACTUALLY GIVES PROPER DRAINAGE FROM WHAT IT CURRENTLY HAS. AND WE'RE ON THAT PICTURE. WHERE DOES THAT UTILITY PIPE RUN? CAN YOU SOMEONE POINT TO THAT WHERE THE PIPE IS GOING TO RUN THROUGH HERE? YES. YEAH I UNDERSTAND. YES. YEAH. SO IT'S THE DASH LINE ON THIS UPPER PART HERE, WHICH GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER VIEW THAN ME GUESSING ON THE. SO LIKE MIDWAY THROUGH THE PATIO. YEAH. SO THERE'S A PIPE RUNNING THIS WAY ACROSS THE PATIO UNDERNEATH. AT WHAT AT WHAT DEPTH? I'M JUST I'M JUST LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DOTTED LINE IS EASEMENT LINE, BUT THE ACTUAL PIPE IS TOWARDS THE BOTTOM LINE. IT'S NOT UNDER THERE. IT'S NOT UNDERNEATH THE PATIO. YEAH. YES, YES. SO THE LINE ITSELF WOULD BE FARTHER BACK INTO THE EASEMENT ITSELF. IT'S NOT SHOWN EXACTLY WHERE IT IS ON THIS MAP, BUT I'M TALKING TO THE ENGINEER AND HAVING THEM LOOK AT THE PLAT. THEY SAID THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT BEING AT LEAST PART WAY OVER IT IS VERY LIKELY. OKAY. SO THESE PLANTING, ARE THOSE STILL ALLOWING THOSE PLANTINGS STILL ARE THOSE GOING TO INTERFERE WITH WHAT WE WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT IF. A PATIO.
YEAH WE'RE GOOD. YOU KNOW THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GREAT. SO WHAT WHAT STAFF SAY THE CITY ENGINEER JUST ASKED THAT THEY'RE NOT. THE PLANTINGS ARE WITHOUT OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT ITSELF JUST FOR THE ROOTS TO NOT HAVE AS CLOSE OF AN ACCESS TO THAT PIPELINE AS POSSIBLE. WELL, THAT'S EVERYTHING'S POSSIBLE, RIGHT? YES. SO. SO DO ALL THESE PLANTINGS GO AWAY IN THAT SITUATION? YES. THE PLANTINGS WOULD GO AWAY IN THAT SITUATION BECAUSE. SO THAT'S NOT AN ACCURATE RENDITION OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL RENDERING. WE PROVIDED LANDSCAPING WITH OUR DRAWINGS FOR DECKS OR PATIOS. THE CLIENTS KIND OF LET US KNOW IF THEY WANT OR DON'T WANT THEM. I THINK THEY WERE ENTERTAINING SOME OF THEM OR SOME CONCEPT OF PLANTS PRIOR TO THIS COMING UP, BUT THAT WAS JUST WE DIDN'T REVISE THE SO WE JUST SAVED THEM SOME MONEY. CORRECT. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A VERY LARGE SPACE. AGAIN, THERE'S OUT THERE I THINK THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SILLY, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROCESS. BUT IT'S. YEAH.
OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE SPECIFIC TO THE EASEMENT SPACE.
I KNOW IT'S MEANT FOR UTILITY PURPOSES. AND THEN FOR THAT PARTICULAR SEWAGE DRAIN, IS THAT SPECIFIC TO JUST THAT HOME? OR WOULD OTHER NEIGHBORS PARTICULARLY BE POTENTIALLY BE IMPACTED IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THAT PIPELINE? SO THIS LINE ITSELF DOES RUN THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES NEXT TO IT. THIS IS THE END CAP OF THIS LINE, THOUGH. SO THE CITY ENGINEER DID SAY THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT AFFECTING NEIGHBORS WOULD BE LOWER, SINCE THIS IS THE END CAP. SO IT WOULD MOSTLY AFFECT THIS PROPERTY ITSELF MORE THAN THE ONES NEXT TO IT. BUT IF THE LINE IS EVER DAMAGED OR THE UTILITY COMPANY NEEDS TO COME IN, THAT'S WHAT THE HELD HARMLESS IS FOR, THAT THEY NEED TO GET INTO THAT. THEY CAN RIP UP THE PATIO IF IT WAS TO BE APPROVED. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE WEIGHT OF THE PAVERS, ETC, HAD THE ENGINEER WEIGHED WEIGHED IN ON THE POTENTIAL IMPACT. I KNOW WE SAID NO PLANTS, NO ROOT SYSTEMS THERE,
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BUT WAS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH THERE BEING A FOUNDATION OVER TOP OF THAT SPACE? BUT I DON'T THINK THERE THAT'S NOT OVER THE PIPE. IT'S JUST THE AREA. I DON'T THINK MOST OF THE PIPE SHOWED UP. THERE. IT'S SO IT'S OH, IT'S WAY, IT'S WAY FAR. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHERE'S THE PATIO END IN THIS VIEW. YOU SEE THE 20. THIS IS KIND OF A GENERIC DRAWING. BUT YOU SEE THE 20 AND THE DOTTED LINE IS THE ANGLE. YEAH. THE 143. YEAH. THAT IS WHERE OUR PATIO IS GOING TO PROTRUDE. JUST PAST THE 143. IT'S NOT EVEN NEAR THE. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE TO ADDRESS THE CITY ENGINEER'S CONCERNS THOUGH I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S THAT'S NOT A VERY CLEAR BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. SO WE'D PROBABLY RECOMMEND A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THERE ARE NO ENCROACHMENTS OVER WHERE THE LINE IS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THE BOARD TO PROCEED. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO WE DO THIS EVERY DAY, AND I THINK EVERYONE HERE HAS HAD A DECK OR PATIO INSTALLED, AND A LOT OF TIMES YOUR DECK COVERS UP THE GAS HEATER OR THE ELECTRIC METER. SO AT ANY CHANCE OF ANYBODY EVER. WE ALL SUFFER THAT RISK OF EATING THE COST OF SOMEONE GOING INTO A BACKYARD OR, YOU KNOW, FOR EASEMENTS AS WELL. SO. I THINK I APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT. ONE FINAL QUESTION, I, I THINK I HEAR TWO THINGS. SO ONE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAY THAT THE HOME WAS BUILT, THE BACK END, IT WAS BEFORE OUR CODE WAS IN PLACE. SO THAT'S NOT THE HOMEOWNER'S FAULT. IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BACK, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS EASEMENT REQUIREMENT. IS IT OVER THE EASEMENT ON TWO SIDES? SO ARE THERE TWO SPACES THAT ARE BEING MEASURED ABOVE OVER THE EASEMENT? IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THEM IS MAKING IT JUST A CONTINUOUS LINE WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY. AND THAT'S GOING INTO THE EASEMENT LINE.YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY THE TEN FEET DEEP INTO THE EASEMENT ITSELF. SO INTO THE 20FT AND THEN THE 39FT IS KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ALONG THE EASEMENT LINE ITSELF. SO IT'S NOT TEN FEET THE WHOLE TIME. THE NEW PATIO IS MORE LINEAR THAN THE ONE THAT STICKS OUT FURTHER. AND IT'S MORE COMPACT, OKAY, STRETCHING ALONG THE BACK OF THE HOUSE BUT NOT VULNERABLE INTO THE BASEMENT AS MUCH AS THE CURRENT. SO RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, JUST BRINGING THAT, HAVING IT BEING THAT FAR TO THE LEFT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST BE IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE IS ALREADY ALREADY ENCROACHMENT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? PARTIALLY, YEAH. IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY A RESHAPING OF WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW. THERE'S AN ENCROACHMENT NOW AND THERE'S STILL BEING ENCROACHMENT. IT'S JUST THIS IS MORE OF A LONGER ENCROACHMENT ALONG THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHEREAS THE CURRENT ONE EXTENDS DEEPER INTO THE REAR OF THE LOT. SO STILL THE DEPTH IS THE SAME FOR THE PATIO. IT'S THE LENGTH THAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT. THE DEPTH FOR THE PATIO IS IN THIS IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE EXISTING ENCROACHMENT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET IT AS FAR WITH THE NEW BUILD. OKAY. SO THAT THE NEW THE CURRENT BILL IS ENCROACHING QUITE A BIT. IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COME BACK. THE OLD BUILD WAS ABOUT 17FT INTO THE ENCROACHMENT ITSELF. SO THERE'S ABOUT THREE FEET THAT WEREN'T COVERED ESSENTIALLY. AND NOW THERE'S TEN FEET THAT WILL BE COVERED. SO YOU STILL HAVE TEN FEET AFTER THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION THERE. BEFORE I FORGET, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT AND DIRECTOR SO MOVED SECOND, MR. JACOB? YES, MR. SHELL? YES.
MISS. SAMUELS? YES. MR. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU.
ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF IN THE LETTER FROM PDF BUILDERS, THEY INDICATE THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE ENCROACHED INTO THE EASEMENT. DO WE DO WE KNOW THAT TO BE THE CASE OR CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT FIRST PICTURE NEXT DOOR PASSED AWAY. YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT RIGHT TO THE RIGHT. 691 ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE NO BACKYARD AS WELL. AND ALSO THE THEY RUN AROUND. YEAH. I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE DO OFTEN BUILD PATIOS WITHOUT PERMISSION. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW OR SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO THIS SUBDIVISION, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. AND DO WE AS AS CITY STAFF, DO WE LOOK TO REMEDY THAT OR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM IS COMPLAINT BASED, SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR OR SCANNING AROUND AERIALS. THAT'S JUST NOT THE DIRECTION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN FROM OUR COUNCIL AND OUR CITY ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM. IF SOMEONE WERE TO CALL AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THOSE ITEMS, WE WOULD TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. AND WE HAVE AGAIN, NOTHING HERE THAT I'M AWARE OF. BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY IT HAS BEEN HAS BEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES HAVE BEEN OPENED. AND LAST QUESTION, HAVE WE HAD ANY OTHER VARIANCES ON IN THIS AREA. WE'VE HAD AN VARIANCE ON DEAN FARM ROAD. I WILL SAY,
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AND I THINK KILEY MENTIONED THIS VERBALLY AND HER STAFF REPORT THAT WE'VE NEVER THE BOARD HAS NEVER APPROVED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW SOMETHING TO SIT ON TOP OF A LINE IN AN EASEMENT AREA. THE VARIANCES HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO ALLOW MINOR ENCROACHMENTS INTO EASEMENT AREAS THEMSELVES. BUT THIS IS NOT SITTING ON TOP OF THE LINE. IT IS UNCLEAR BASED ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, AND WE RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT IT NOT BE SITTING ON TOP OF THE LINE, WHOSE JOB IS TO PROVE THAT THERE'S AN INSPECTION TEAM, THE APPLICANT'S HAVE YOU GUYS GONE THROUGH THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NO LINE UNDERNEATH THE PATIO IF YOU GUYS DONE THAT OKAY, OKAY.THERE'S A LOT OF. I UNDERSTAND. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING A CONDITION THAT YOU HAVE TO GET THAT CHECKED OUT. YEAH. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE BEST PATIO SO. BUT YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF APPLICANT? I GUESS THIS IT PROBABLY WOULD COME TO THE MIC IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK. YEAH. SO IT'S WE CAN HEAR YOU BUT THE PEOPLE AT HOME CANNOT. THAT'S WHAT THE MICROPHONE HELPS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PIPE IS THAT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A DRAIN PIPE. YES. STORMWATER. STORMWATER DRAIN. STORM WATER SEWER. YEAH. SO TWO TWO POINTS OF IT AND FIGURE OUT WHERE IT GOES. WE HAVE TO DIG IT UP. WELL, LET'S LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. SO WHEN YOU SUBMIT A PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO SHOW A SITE PLAN IN RELATION TO ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE SITE, INCLUDING THE HOME, ANY EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS. AND IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO ENCROACH INTO A UTILITY EASEMENT, YOU WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT UTILITIES ARE WITHIN THAT EASEMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO REQUEST A VARIANCE, TO ALLOW SOMETHING TO ENCROACH THAT EASEMENT AREA. SO WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW ON THIS, ON THIS IMAGE HERE, THAT IS AN ACTUAL 12 INCH STORMWATER PIPE THAT IS UNDER THE GROUND.
AND THE CURRENT PATIO, BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BY YOUR TEAM AND REVIEWED BY OUR CITY ENGINEERING STAFF, THAT CURRENT PATIO SITS DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THAT SEWER LINE. SO AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO ALLOW YOU TO EXTEND THIS NEW PATIO INTO THAT EASEMENT, WE WOULD PLACE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO THAT AGAIN, MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE. IF THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED, THEY CANNOT YOU CANNOT INSTALL ANYTHING OVER TOP OF THAT, THAT YELLOW PIPE, THE STORM, THE SANITARY SEWER. SO YOU WOULD NEED TO AND THIS IS PRETTY NORMAL FOR ANY PERMIT YOU WOULD NEED TO VERIFY AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS THAT YOU'RE NOT ON TOP OF THAT. IS SO THAT THAT BOX, THAT SQUARE, IS THAT A PHYSICAL DRAIN? IS THAT INDICATING A PHYSICAL DRAIN IN THE GROUND THERE? THAT'S THE INLET. YEP. AND IT'S PRETTY. YOU CAN SEE IT PRETTY CLEARLY EVEN IN THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE, THE INLETS RIGHT THERE. AND IT RUNS KIND OF THIS WAY. SO THE EXISTING PATIO IS OVER TOP OF IT MOST LIKELY AGAIN BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. BUT WE'RE PULLING THAT PATIO BACK SEVEN FEET. RIGHT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT'S GOING 17 TO 10FT. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT BUILDING ABOVE IT, BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS NO PRECEDENCE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENCE FOR THAT. SO THERE'S I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT. AND FOR THE BOARDS TO HELP THE BOARDS OUT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. NOW IN THE STAFF REPORT. IS IT. SO YOU NEED TO YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT CLEARLY IN YOUR IN YOUR MOTION TONIGHT. YES. THANK YOU. AND FOR. YEAH. AND IF YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BOARD. YEAH. NO I'LL JUST I'LL JUST STATE THIS JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS TRADITIONALLY BEEN JUST A REALLY PAIN BECAUSE OF THE WAY TOLL BROTHERS ORIGINALLY HAD LAID OUT THE LOTS. I SAID ON THIS BOARD FROM 2004 OR 6 TO 2014, AND WE HAD OUR FAIR SHARE OF LINKS, DECKS AND PATIOS THAT WANTED TO BE BUILT BECAUSE THEY ALL ENCROACH.
PRETTY MUCH IF YOU SEE A DECK OR PATIO, IT'S BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINE, IT'S VERY HARD TO PUT SOMETHING WITHIN THE EASEMENT. I KNOW THAT'S A CHALLENGE. AND SO I KNOW AS A BOARD MEMBER AND CLEARLY LISTENING TO THE BOARD HERE, TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET YOU THERE WITH AS LITTLE ENCROACHMENT INTO CITY UTILITIES AND SEWER AS POSSIBLE. WE CAN. I NOTICED THAT THE UTILITY BOX IS JUST OFF TO THE FROM THIS VIEW JUST TO THE LEFT. SO THERE'S PROBABLY, I WOULD IMAGINE SOME UTILITIES RUNNING THROUGH THERE TOO. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WHEN WE START LOOKING AT INDEMNIFYING THE, THE CITY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF
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THERE IS EVER ISSUES THAT AS LONG AS THE HOMEOWNERS KNOW THAT IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THIS WILL BE IN THE DEED AS WELL. SO EVEN IF YOU SELL THE HOUSE, THE NEW HOMEOWNER SHOULD KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THE PATIO, BUT THIS IS STILL IN THERE. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL NEVER NEED IT. I'M IN A I'M ON AN END OF A STORM SEWER RUN FOR MY ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN, SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. KNOCK ON WOOD, I'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES, BUT YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. AND I NOTICED THE FLOW OF THE WATER ON THE PREVIOUS PICTURE REALLY HAS COME IN FROM THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE IN, SO IT'S JUST THE ONE HOUSE HERE, AND THEN REALLY THE REST GOES THIS WAY, EXCEPT FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT. AND SO YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S JUST PRUDENT JUST TO PROTECT YOU AND THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS THAT YOU KNOW WILL WORK WITH YOU. IT'S JUST WE GOT TO MAKE A COUPLE CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THIS DONE. THAT'S ALL. BUT I UNDERSTAND. I, I FEEL FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON IN THE LINKS TO COME HERE AND ASK FOR A REQUEST. SO ANYWAYS, JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS IS A TOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST ALWAYS HAS BEEN. THANKS, MATT. SO A QUESTION FOR THE HOMEOWNER. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT? SURE. DO YOU NEED US TO READ THEM TO YOU OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THEM? YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO START AGAIN. FIRST, I'M SORRY, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. NOEL. THANK YOU. YES. THE THREE CONDITIONS WERE NO LANDSCAPING OVER. AND OBVIOUSLY THE NEW CONDITION. NOTHING WILL. YEAH. THAT WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING. THAT HAS TO BE RIPPED UP. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE OF NOTHING BUILDING. CORRECT. YEAH.AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. YEAH. OKAY. VERY GOOD. YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US? YES. GREAT.
THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR. AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE FOURTH ONE. TWO TO END. YEAH. OKAY. YOU GUYS I GOT A QUESTION. SO THE MOTION JUST TO APPROVE THE PATIO FOR ENCROACHMENT. OR ARE WE SAYING UP TO A CERTAIN I HEARD 17FT, TEN FEET. I THINK IT'S HOW IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW. ASSUMING THAT WE'RE NOT BUILDING IT ACROSS A UTILITY PIPELINE.
I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE THAT REFERENCED UTILITIES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND A PIPE AND THE EXISTING PATIO. NO. SURE. IT'S KIND OF SOME AERIAL SHOTS I TOOK, BUT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS.
WELL, YES. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK. YEAH. SO HOPEFULLY. YEAH. KIND OF SEE. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. HOPEFULLY UTILITIES ARE THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACK. YEAH ETC. UNLESS FOR SOME REASON IT'S COMING ACROSS THIS WAY I IT'S PROBABLY COMING ACROSS THIS WAY. SO WE JUST NEED EVIDENCE THAT THAT PIPE IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO SHOW. YOU NEED TO WORK WITH THE CITY. WELL BETTER TALK WITH THE CITY ON THAT. YEAH. LIKE WHO, WHO DOES THAT. YEAH. WE THAT THAT THAT ALL IS USUALLY SHOWN ON A SITE PLAN AS PART OF YOUR PERMIT THAT YOU SUBMIT. SO YOU WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH WITH OUR TEAM TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER YOU'RE SHOWING THE BOARD RIGHT NOW IS OKAY, COMPLETELY SHOWING YOUR PERMIT DOCUMENTS. CORRECT. THAT IS HELPFUL. THANK YOU. SO THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BUILT AND IT'S WORKING WITH THE CITY CORRECT. THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS. YEP. OKAY. DID YOU GUYS GET THAT. YEAH.
OKAY. SO TOGETHER YOU GUYS GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE IT OUT OKAY. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION BAR 53 2025. WITH THE THREE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND ADDING NUMBER FOUR THAT YOU CANNOT INSTALL ANY PART OF THE PATIO OVER TOP OF THE STORM PIPE DRAIN. I'LL SECOND THAT.
UTILITIES. MR. SHOW. YES, MISTER. YES, MISS SAMUELS? YES, MR. JACOB? YES, THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT CANNOT INSTALL ANY PART OF THE PATIO OVER THE DRAINAGE PIPE. GOOD. CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU,
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THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. FOLKS. ANY OTHER BUSINESS? ALRIGHTY. ARE YOU READY? YEAH.[VII. Other business]
NO. ALL RIGHT. SO STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT THIS OVER THE LAST MONTH. SO JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND. SO FROM 2021 TO JANUARY 2025, THAT IS WHEN OUR CODE PERMITTED WALL SIGNS UP TO 75FT■!S. WE HAD NINE WALL SIGN VARIANCES IN THAT TIME. OF THE NINE, FIVE OF THEM WERE FOR OVER 200FT■!S, SO ALMOST OVER A 50% REDUCTION WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENT. OKAY, SINCE WE HAVE UPDATED THE CODE SINCE JANUARY OF 2025, WE HAVE HAD TWO WALL SIGNS. IRONICALLY, YOU HEARD THEM BOTH LAST MONTH AND THEN THIS MONTH AS WELL. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH THAT WE STARTED WITH. SO THIS IS WHAT I SHOWED YOU THE FIRST TIME IN OCTOBER OF MAKING IT A CAP OF 1% OF THE APPLICABLE BUILDING FACADE. BUT AS WE SEE THE EXAMPLE OF AMGEN, THIS WOULD WORK WELL FOR AMGEN. A 1% WOULD BE A 235 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. HOWEVER, AMAZON WOULD BE A 635 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. SO THIS DOESN'T REALLY WORK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT VARYING FACADES. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THE 200 IS WORKING. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TAKEN IT A STEP FURTHER. I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE MEASURE SIGNS. SO THE CURRENT TEXT IS THAT YOU MEASURE WITH AN INVISIBLE RECTANGLE. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT YOU NOW WILL MEASURE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF YOUR SIGN. AND I DO FEEL LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO CUT A LOT. THAT WOULD HAVE CUT EDGE VARIANCE. SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT AND LEAVE THE 200 AND MAYBE JUST EVALUATE IT IN A YEAR AND SEE IF WE'RE STILL GETTING A BUNCH OF THEM. AND WE ARE GOING TO PUT A IF THIS PASSES WITH CITY COUNCIL, WE WOULD PUT A GRAPHIC IN OUR ZONING CODE THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, APPLICANTS HOW TO MEASURE, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WILL CUT DOWN ON THE VARIANCES. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT BACKGROUND FOR US AND THEN PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER. I DO REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A MUCH BETTER, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROCESS. WE'RE GETTING THERE OF COURSE TO GET TOGETHER. WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT OTHER COMPANY THAT WE APPROVED EDGE THAT G THAT CAME WAY DOWN. THEY HAVE THE G. YEAH.AND THEN THERE, DID YOU PUT THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF. THEY DID I THINK BRUCE YOUR APPLICANT DID. HE DID THE ROUGH ESTIMATE AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE NEEDED A VARIANCE HAD THEY HAVE MEASURED AROUND AWESOME AMGEN. THEIR WHOLE THING IS A RECTANGLE. SO THAT'S WHAT HURT THEM. IF THEY HAD TO CAPITALIZE A AND TINY AMGEN, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. BUT HOPEFULLY THIS DOES, YOU KNOW, CUT DOWN. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK A MORE FAIR WAY TO MEASURE WALL SIGNS. YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. THANKS. YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. COOL. THAT'S ALL I HAD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS. WHEN WILL WHEN'S THIS EXPECTED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT IT WILL GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON AUGUST 18TH. AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL, I GUESS IN SEPTEMBER. SEPTEMBER. YEP.
GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. GOOD. I MOVED TO ADJOURN TODAY'S MEETIN.
SECOND, MISS SAMUELS. YES. MR. JACOB? YES. MR. YES. SHELL. YES. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.