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THE STAFF READY? OKAY. YEP. I'D LIKE TO CALL OVER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR
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MONDAY, AUGUST 13TH, 2025. COULD I HAVE THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. KIRBY PRESENT. MR. WALLACE PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS HERE, MR. LARSON. PRESENT, MR. SHELL. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT HERE.FOUR VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. TAKES US TO ITEM THREE. ACTION ON THE
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MINUTES FROM JULY 21ST. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? NOT FROM ME. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 21ST, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. FAILURE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSON? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. KIRBY? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA FROM STAFF? OKAY. WOULD EVERYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. EVERYONE CHECK YOUR PHONES AND SUCH AND MAKE THEM SILENT, PLEASE. ITEM FIVE IS HEARING OF VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH VISITORS TONIGHT?[VI. Cases]
SEEING NONE, WE MOVE ON TO OUR CASES. OUR FIRST CASE IS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 57 NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. AS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND AS IT'S IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, IT REQUIRED ARB REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS WAS HEARD AT THE ARB MEETING ON AUGUST 11TH, AND THE BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND INCLUDES TWO PARCELS SHOWN IN RED. THE SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND VACANT LAND. AND HERE IS THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED BY THE NEW ROAD, WHICH WILL BE GANNON PARKWAY. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE PLATS FOR THAT, SO HERE'S A PLOT SHOWING THAT STREET AND THE PROPOSED SITE WILL BE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THERE'S JUST THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARKWAY REALIGNMENT. THE ZONING DISTRICT INCLUDES THREE SUB AREAS. AND THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COMPRISES SUB AREA ONE. IT INCLUDES A PROPOSED FOUR STORY OUTPATIENT PEDIATRIC FACILITY WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING AND LANDSCAPED AMENITY SPACES.ADDITIONALLY, A CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO SUPPORT OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF THE FACILITY. AS MENTIONED, THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM TWO CURB CUTS ALONG THE FUTURE GARDEN PARKWAY. PROPOSED MATERIALS INCLUDE BRICK, CAST STONE, AND PAINTED ALUMINUM. ALL FOUR FACADES HAVE EQUAL TREATMENT AND A HIGH WALL TO WINDOW RATIO, AS REFERENCED IN THE. THE DESIGN INCLUDES A VARIETY OF DIFFERING BUILDING HEIGHTS, OFFSETS, AND RECESSES. THE HIGH WALL TO WINDOW OR WINDOW TO WALL. OH, SORRY. WINDOW TO WALL RATIO. GO AHEAD. THE APPLICANT INCLUDED DESIGN ELEMENTS SUCH AS CANOPIES, COMMUNITY SPACE, AND OVERHANGS THAT HELP SOFTEN THE ESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING. THE ENTRANCE ALONG THE PROPOSED PARKWAY IS HIGHLY VISIBLE AND WILL SERVE AS A KEY LANDMARK FOR WAYFINDING. THE CITY ARCHITECT REVIEWED THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE AND COMMENDED THE THOUGHTFUL AND HIGH QUALITY DESIGN, AND HAD NO FURTHER COMMENTS. IT IS RARE FOR THE CITY ARCHITECT TO HAVE NO COMMENTS OR CONDITIONS, WHICH SPEAKS TO THE EXCEPTIONAL QUALITY AND THOUGHTFUL EXECUTION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE MEETS REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING A MAXIMUM OF 74FT IN HEIGHT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ALLOWS UP TO 75FT, AND ADDITIONALLY, ALL GROUND MOUNTED AND ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT IS PROPOSED TO BE SCREENED. HERE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, SO THERE IS A SOUTH ELEVATION WHICH WILL BE FACING THE PROPOSED PARKWAY. THE NORTH ELEVATION FACING 161 AND THE EAST AND THE WEST ELEVATION. PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE DO NOT APPLY TO THIS SUB AREA. INSTEAD, THE ZONING TEXT CALLS FOR THE ARB AND THE PC REVIEW, CONSIDERING FACTORS LIKE EXPECTED PARKING DEMAND, EMPLOYEES AND PATIENTS.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A PARKING RATIONALE BASED ON PROJECTED PATIENT STAFF VOLUMES AND TYPICAL MEDICAL OFFICE STANDARDS, RESULTING IN A TOTAL OF 496 SPACES. THE TABLE SHOWS A BREAKDOWN OF THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING 43 FOR THE LOWER LEVEL, 447 FOR LEVELS 1 TO 3, AND SIX SPACES FOR THE CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT. FOR LANDSCAPING. THE PRESERVATION ZONE IS OUTLINED IN RED. THE SITE INCLUDES A TOTAL OF 8.94 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. THE ZONING TEXT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 38 ACRES FOR THE ENTIRE ZONING DISTRICT, AND THEREFORE 29.6 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE ARE REQUIRED THROUGHOUT THE REMAINING SUB AREAS. THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INSTALLING THE FOUR RAIL HORSE FENCE, AND THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REST
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OF THE STREETSCAPE ALONG THE PROPOSED PARKWAY. THE SITE FEATURES AN IMPRESSIVE TOTAL OF 486 TREES, WHICH IS NEARLY TEN TIMES THE REQUIRED 50 TREES, CREATING A HEAVILY LANDSCAPED ENVIRONMENT THAT GREATLY EXCEEDS MINIMUM STANDARDS AND ENHANCES THE SITE'S OVERALL CHARACTER.THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND HAD MINOR COMMENTS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT. STAFF DOES WANT TO NOTE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY THE FIRST CONDITION REGARDING THE PARCEL REFERENCE. THE ARB RECOMMENDED A SIMILAR CONDITION, BUT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORDSMITH JUST TO CHANGE IT A LITTLE BIT. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A REVISED CONDITION THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER ALLOWS FOR FUTURE DEDICATION OR INSTALLATION ON THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT PARCEL IF PERMITTED, AND THE OWNER AND CITY AGREE UPON AN OPERATING AGREEMENT. THE SITE ALSO INCLUDES A LARGE CENTRAL GREEN THAT WILL FRONT GARDEN PARKWAY. THE GREEN SPACE INCLUDES WALKING PATHS, A VIEWING GARDEN, SEAT WALL, AND BENCH SEATING. THE FOCUS AREA AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN RECOMMENDS INCORPORATING PROMINENT GREEN SPACES IN WHICH THIS LARGE CENTRAL GREEN ACHIEVES. SINCE THIS SITE IS UNIQUE, THE ZONING TEXT ALLOWS FOR GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE FOR THE SUB AREA. THE ZONING TEXT REQUIRES A MASTER SIGN PLAN, AND THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED THIS AND IS ALSO SHOWN ON THE SLIDE. THERE ARE NINE UNIQUE SIGN TYPES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOGO, DONOR SIGNS, MONUMENT SIGN, DIRECTIONAL AND EMERGENCY IDENTIFICATION SIGN. AND HERE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE SIGNS BASED ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, THE SIGNAGE TYPES, PLACEMENT AND QUANTITY ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE INTENDED USE. THE SIZE OF THE WALL SIGNS ARE WELL PROPORTIONED TO THE BUILDING'S ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, AND PROVIDE SUFFICIENT VISIBILITY TO IDENTIFY THE BUILDING FROM OFF SITE. SO IN SUMMARY, THE HOSPITAL USE ALIGNS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. IT MEETS THE FOCUSED AREA RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT ALONG 161 AND FRONTING A PROMINENT GREEN SPACE ALONG THE FUTURE PARKWAY. THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS HIGH QUALITY, AND THE SITE STRATEGY, MASSING AND EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS BLEND WITH THE EXISTING AREA, AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND SO APPLICANT. ENGINEERING. YEAH. WE ASKED THEM TO CLEARLY DELINEATE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREA ON THE FDP, ALLOWING NO DISTURBANCE WITHIN THIS AREA. A VARIETY OF NOTES AND DETAILS THAT WE ASK THEM TO ADD, AND ASK THEM TO UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BY ADDING SITE DISTANCE TRIANGLES TO CURB CUTS, AND WILL EVALUATE STREET STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHEN IT BECOMES AVAILABLE. CAN YOU PLEASE. YOU GOT ANYTHING TO ADD OR. OH, I DO NOT UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FIRST THE EASY ONE. ANY CONFLICT WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT? NO. OKAY. ONE OF THEM FROM THE ENGINEERING IS THAT CLEARLY DELINEATE AND ADD NOTES. IS THERE ALSO ONE IN THERE THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION THERE WILL BE VISIBLE MARKERS FOR THE. CONSERVATION? THERE IS A NOTE THAT THERE MUST BE SOME PROTECTION FOR THAT AREA WITHIN A WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS SIGNAGE UP THERE ALREADY, AND I THINK THAT SHOWN IN THE PLANS TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ADDED TO THOSE AREAS FOR SOMETHING LIKE DEPLOYING A SNOW FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES. OKAY.
YES. THAT TOO, THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF. CORRECT. GREAT. CAN WE JUST COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND EVERYTHING? SURE. I'M BRYCE SHIRLEY, ARCHITECT WITH DLR GROUP. MY ADDRESS IS 262 HOPEWELL DRIVE IN POWELL, OHIO. THANK YOU. YOUR PARKING CALCULATIONS BASED ON USAGES ON THE USAGE OF ANY PARTICULAR PART OF THE BUILDING.
CORRECT? OKAY. THE BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 170,000FT■!S, AND ONLY A PORTION OF THAT IS BEING BUILT OUT IN OUR PROPOSED PLANNING. SO THAT WILL INCLUDE SHELL SPACE FOR FUTURE MEDICAL USES, WHICH HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS USE SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATIONS FOR THAT, AS WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE. SO AS A REFERENCE, CITY OF COLUMBUS FOR MEDICAL OFFICE OUTPATIENT WOULD BE BASED ON ABOUT ONE PER 300 SQUARE FOOT MAX, ONE PER EVERY 200 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM. AND WE PROVIDED AT ABOUT 285FT■!S. SO U WOULD NOT OBJECT TO THIS BEING SORT OF BAKED IN AS A CONDITION TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. LET ME LET ME TELL YOU WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. SO IF YOU FOUND YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, 1000 SQUARE FOOT OF SPACE THAT YOU WEREN'T USING IN THE LOWER LEVEL AND SAID WE COULD PUT SOME MRI MACHINES DOWN HERE AND MAKE USE OF THAT, THAT
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ALL OF A SUDDEN CHANGES ITS USAGE FROM WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE TO WHAT LEVELS ONE AND THREE ARE USED. AND IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE CONDITION THAT THEREFORE, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING YOU NEED HAS TO MATCH THE NEW USAGE BEFORE IT WOULD BE PERMITTED. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FAIR THAT WE WOULD COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD THE USE CHANGE TO REEVALUATE PARKING. OKAY. IS THERE FROM LEGAL? DO WE HAVE ANY. DOES THAT WORK? THANK YOU.OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH I AGREE. THEN YOU CAN PUT THAT CONDITION IN THERE. ALL RIGHT.
OTHERS WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE. PICTURES, DEPICTIONS THAT WERE IN THE PACKAGE. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE BUILDING. ONE WAS WHERE THE FIRST FLOOR WAS, EVEN WITH THE GROUND. AND THEN A COUPLE OF THEM SHOWED SOME FACILITIES, SOME PARKING SPOTS, AND SOME IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS TRUCK ACCESS.
SO WHICH WHICH IS IT IS OR WAS THAT MISTAKENLY PUT IN THERE, OR IS THAT SOME SORT OF FUTURE USE? I'M LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE HERE. SURE. SO THERE IS A TRUCK ACCESS LOADING DOCK BELOW GRADE.
SO THE SLIGHT SLOPE IS ABOUT 20FT FROM THE NORTHEAST TO THE SOUTHWEST. SO THE RENDERINGS I THINK YOU WERE REFERRING TO FROM CERTAIN ANGLES MAY HAVE BEEN AT A CERTAIN TIME IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND JUST SHOWN AS A FLAT SURFACE IN THE FRONT. THERE SHOULD BE SOME IMAGES THAT DO SHOW WHAT THAT TRUCK ACCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT THAT IS BELOW GRADE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT ENTRY WOULD BE ABOUT 18FT BELOW THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. CAN YOU SHOW US A DIAGRAM WHERE THAT WOULD BE? SO THAT ELEVATION WOULD BE OKAY? THAT'S A GOOD ONE. I THINK THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS IN THE FDP PACKAGE THAT MAY DEPICT THAT AN AERIAL VIEW AS WELL. SO IS THAT IS THE IS THE LOADING EGRESS THEN? IS THAT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE PARKING? THE LOADING WOULD BE BELOW THE PARKING. SO ALL THE PARKING IS MORE OR LESS ALIGNED WITH THE GROUND. APART FROM THIS IS, IS, IS THIS IN THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S FACING THE HIGHWAY? YES. THE NORTHWEST SIDE. OKAY. GOT IT. CONSERVATION. AND. OKAY. AS I LOOK AT THIS DIAGRAM NOW, THE ACCESS TO THAT IS SORT OF I'M NOT GOING TO GET THE NORTH SOUTH SIDE. I GUESS IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND YOU GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING. IS THERE ANOTHER. I DON'T I JUST HAVE WITHIN THE FACT THAT I WAS LOOKING AT ONE LIKE THIS. OH NO, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THE POWERPOINT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY, I'VE GOT THAT NOW. ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS THERE GOING TO BE AN EMERGENCY ROOM ACCESS SOMEWHERE AT THIS FACILITY IN THE FUTURE? AND YOU'LL SEE THE SIGNAGE DOES SHOW AN EMERGENCY SIGN. CURRENTLY, THE PLAN IS FOR THIS TO JUST BE AN URGENT CARE AND BE OPERATED AS SUCH. BUT WE ARE DESIGNING THIS. SHOULD THE CLIENT WANT TO ELEVATE THIS TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM IN THE FUTURE THAT IS CAPABLE OF DOING SO? SO WE ARE SHOWING ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR A FUTURE EMERGENCY SIGN. BUT CURRENTLY THE FACILITY, HOW ARE THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES GOING TO ENTER THE PREMISES THERE? WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. SO THEY WILL ENTER AT THE FIRST CURB CUT TO THE WEST. THAT'S A GOOD ONE RIGHT THERE. YEAH. YEAH. SO ON THE FAR LEFT, IS THERE A SORT OF A YEAH A LIGHT LIGHTSABER, I GUESS. THERE WE GO. SO OF THE TWO CURB CUTS, THIS RIGHT HERE WILL BE THE EMERGENCY SERVICE AND SERVICE ENTRY. THE CENTER HERE, THAT WILL BE THE PATIENT ENTRY SO THAT THE PATIENTS AND STAFF. SO THIS LOOP IS REALLY JUST FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND SERVICE TO THE BUILDING. OKAY. SO THE EMERGENCY ACCESS THEN WILL BE BEHIND THE PARKING LOT THERE.
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EMERGENCY TO THE BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE NORTH. YEAH. SO IT'S GOING TO BE DOWN THERE. OKAY.YEAH. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THAT, I WAS CONCERNED THAT WE'D HAVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES RACING THROUGH THE BUCOLIC FRONT SECTION OF THE HOSPITAL, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC. YES. BUT THAT'S NOT. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. EMERGENCY VEHICLES ALL ENTER HERE. COME AROUND AND THEN GO TO THE NORTH. THERE. OKAY. I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK FOLLOW UPS ON THAT IF I COULD, DAVE. SO IN THE IMMEDIATE TIME FRAME. THAT DRIVEWAY OR THAT LANE WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE CLOSED OFF, NOT USED UNTIL THE FUTURE TIME FRAME WHEN, LIKE AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY ROOM WOULD BE UTILIZED BY, YOU KNOW, AMBULANCES AND SO ON. IS THAT RIGHT? NO. THAT DRIVE WILL BE OPEN BECAUSE IT IS ALSO THE LOADING FOR THE BUILDING. SO TO GET TO THAT LOADING DOCK THAT WILL BE INSTALLED AND OPEN. THERE JUST WILL NOT BE EMERGENCY VEHICLES GOING BACK THERE UNTIL WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY ROOM. ONE THING I DIDN'T THINK OF AS YOU'VE CLARIFIED THIS, IS THERE GOING TO BE SIGNAGE TO SHOW THAT MAYBE I'M JUMPING ON YOU? YEAH. SAME THING. IS THERE GOING TO BE SIGNAGE TO SHOW THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HOSPITAL VISITORS ARE GOING TO TAKE A RIGHT THERE INTO THAT AREA, INTO THE PARKING AREA? YEAH. THERE'LL BE SIGNAGE AT THE MAIN ENTRY IF THAT'S THE CASE. AND THEN THERE'LL ALSO BE SIGNAGE ALONG THE WAY SAYING SERVICE ONLY AND PATIENTS WILL BE DIRECTED ALL THROUGH THIS CENTER PORTION. WAS THAT DEPICTED ON THE SIGN. DEPICTION THAT WE PLAN? YES. OR IS THIS ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE SHOULD PUT SOME SORT OF FLEXIBILITY ON INTERNAL SIGNAGE TO HELP FOR DIRECTIONAL PURPOSES? RIGHT. THERE WE GO. IS SIGNAGE DEPICTED ON THIS DIAGRAM SHOWING THAT, THAT IF SOMEONE'S COMING INTO THE, YOU KNOW, TO VISIT THE HOSPITAL OR GO TO ONE OF THE SERVICES PROVIDED, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE A RIGHT AND NOT KEEP GOING STRAIGHT TO THE BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING ACCESS BACK THERE.
RIGHT. WHICH YOU DON'T TURN RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PARKING LOT UNTIL YOU TURN AROUND OR YOU GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING. RIGHT. YES. TO TURN RIGHT.
YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE COMING TO THE FROM THE EAST ON GANTON. EITHER WAY, EITHER EAST OR NORTH EASTERN. YES. THERE WILL BE INTERNAL DIRECTIONAL WAYFINDING SIGNAGE THAT POINTS TO THE MAIN ENTRY FOR PATIENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. DID YOU HAVE MORE? YEAH. SO BACK TO THE EMERGENCY.
I UNDERSTAND WE'RE APPROVING THE EMERGENCY SIGNAGE TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S LIKELY OR PLANNED FOR DOWN THE ROAD. SO YOU WOULD WAIT TO INSTALL THAT SIGN UNTIL THAT POINT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THIS IS A 27 ACRE SITE. YOU'RE DEVELOPING 16 ACRES AT THIS POINT, ROUGHLY. IT SOUNDS CORRECT. AND IT'S A PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. COULD YOU DESCRIBE LIKE WHAT'S PHASE TWO OR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO THERE IS NO THERE IS NO LIKE OFFICIAL PHASE TWO. SO WE ARE DESIGNING THE SITE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE GROWTH JUST LIKE MANY MEDICAL FACILITIES. SO THINGS LIKE UTILITIES AND ELECTRIC POWER. WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THIS CAN ACCOMMODATE IT, BUT WE WOULD NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT A PHASE TWO WOULD BE AT THIS TIME. SO THERE AREN'T LIKE PARTICULAR PLANS THAT WOULD SITE WHAT THAT WOULD BE. IN THE MEMO, IT TALKS ABOUT PHASE TWO, HAVING THE 250,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING POSSIBLY. WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM? SO THAT NUMBER WAS JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, FOR THAT UTILITY, JUST AS THE LIKELY SCENARIO FOR WHAT THIS COULD BE BASED ON A TYPICAL OUTPATIENT FACILITY THAT MAY GROW INTO A MEDICAL, LARGER MEDICAL FACILITY IN THE FUTURE. SO JUST USED FOR UTILITIES, SITE SIZING FOR PARKING WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE AS WELL FOR PLANNING. OKAY. WHAT'S THE TOTAL ACREAGE AT THE. DEVELOPMENT AREA IS? ABOUT 110 ACRES. 110. OKAY. THANK YOU. 37. PARCELS. 23. SO, WOULD WE SAY THAT EARLIER? YEAH.
SO THIS IS ABOUT 25%. ROUGHLY PLUS OR MINUS. BUT. OKAY. AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THE OPEN
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SPACE THAT YOU'VE GOT YOUR 16 ACRES ON THE TABLE TODAY. ABOUT EIGHT ACRES OF IT'S OPEN SPACE.SO 50%. SO I WAS THINKING IF EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTED EQUAL, YOU KNOW, THEIR SHARE, YOU SHOULD BE DOING AT LEAST 25. YOU'RE WAY OVER THAT. SO THAT'S LOOKS GREAT. IS THE OPEN SPACE CALCULATION WE SAW BASED ON THIS SUB AREA. YES. OKAY. SO WE'RE SHORT SOME OPEN SPACE EVEN AFTER THE EIGHT SOME OR NINE SOME ACRES OF THE PRESERVATION ZONE GETS INCLUDED. AND THAT WOULD COME FROM THE PARK BANK. NO. THAT'LL DEVELOP OTHER OTHER PARTS OF THE SUB AREA. THIS IS BEYOND THE NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL SITE. SO THE URBAN CENTER CODE SHOW OVERLAY ALL THE PARK LAND PRESERVATION ZONES THAT NEED TO BE DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA OF THAT ACREAGE. YEAH.
SO THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED. YOU KNOW, THE COMPANY HAS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO PUT HOUSING SOUTH OF CANTON PARKWAY. THERE'S ALSO A COMMITMENT FROM THEM TO DEDICATE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE NEXT TO ROSE RUN, WHICH WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THAT. OKAY. OVERALL 29. SO IT'LL COME IN PIECES AND CHUNKS OVER TIME. BUT THERE'S NOTHING COMING OUT OF THE BANK FOR IT. THANK YOU.
OKAY. OKAY. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. BUT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T GET THIS DIAGRAM. NO, UNFORTUNATELY. I'M SORRY. SO IF YOU'VE GOT THE HYPERLINK TO THE PDF, IT'LL BE THERE. YEAH, I CAN TRY. WELL I CAN TRY TO GET IT TO LOAD. IT'S 200 PAGES. IT'S SECTION C 204. DOES THAT HELP? IS IT C 204? I JUST CAN'T SEE.
I JUST CAN'T READ THAT. IT'S ON BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I READ IT THIS AFTERNOON.
SORRY, I JUST CAN'T SEE. I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER HERE. 204, C 204. IT LOOKS LIKE. SO.
IT'S IN WHITE FORMAT. WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING, THIS WAS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLETE APPLICATION.
THERE YOU GO. THERE IT IS. THANK YOU. SO FOLLOWING UP ON BRUCE'S QUESTION ABOUT THE SECOND PHASE,
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THE SECOND PHASE IS GOING TO BE TO THAT SOUTHERLY AREA. IS THAT RIGHT? AS WE. THE PROPERTY SIX.IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS THAT AREA THAT'S JUST VACANT ON THIS PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE SUB AREA TO THE EAST OF THAT DASHED LINE OR THE JUST. WELL, BOTH. I GUESS YOU DON'T CONTROL THAT PIECE RIGHT YET. IF YOU EVER WILL. SO WHATEVER ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR IS GOING TO OCCUR ON THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HALF OF WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT, WHAT, 13.39 ACRE PARCEL. THAT WOULD BE THE LIKELY SCENARIO. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GOING IS, IS, IS THERE GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT SPACE ON THERE TO DEVELOP SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T END UP CONTROLLING THAT TRIANGLE TO THE SOUTH? AND IF SO, IS THERE GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT ROOM FOR ENOUGH PARKING AND THAT SORT OF THING? YOU KNOW, CAN WE SHOULD WE CAN WE REQUIRE SOME SORT OF CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT FOR THIS TO HELP TO ENSURE THERE'S GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT PROPERTY OR PARKING? THAT COULDN'T THAT BE SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED IF AND WHEN THEY DO BUILD THAT OUT? YEAH IT IS. THE TEXT DOES REQUIRE CROSS PARKING BETWEEN SUB AREAS AND SHARED SUB AREAS AND I WASN'T. THE REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE I KNOW THEY OWN THAT PIECE. SO IT WOULD BE CROSS ACCESSING THEIR OWN PIECE, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE CONDITIONS THAT SAYS THAT THEY'LL BE SOME WAY TO JOIN UP THE PARKING. BECAUSE WE RAN INTO THAT. IN THAT CASE, WE HAD, I THINK, LAST MONTH OR TWO MONTHS AGO. SO WE'VE GOT THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT IN THE ZONING TEXT. YEAH. OKAY. THIS THIS QUESTION OF MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE PUT ON THE GROUND OR ON PAPER THAT WILL GO ON THE GROUND DOESN'T MAKE IT IMPRACTICAL TO DO SO. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? WE'VE GOT A REQUIREMENT FOR CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT. AND SO THE HARD PART'S ALREADY DONE, THEN BECOMES THE ALMOST AS HARD PART, MAKING SURE THAT WHAT YOU BUILD, IF YOU BUILT ALL OF THAT, THAT THE NEXT PHASE THEN EASILY INTEGRATES. AND YOU CAN'T TELL WHEN THE SECOND PHASE IS DONE, THAT IT WAS PHASED, THAT THEY MEET. WELL, YES, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THAT IN A CONDITION THOUGH. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE YOU'VE DONE PART OF IT ALREADY. YOU CAN SEE THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE COULD JUST KEEP GOING EAST WITH THE MAIN THROUGH THAT. THERE'S ONE IN THE FRONT AND ONE RIGHT AT THE BUILDING PHASE. AND THOSE COULD JUST KEEP GOING EAST, AND YOU COULD PROBABLY HAVE PARKING THERE AND A BUILDIN THE PARKINGR MORE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE. YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU HAVEN'T LOCKED SOMETHING IN, PARTICULARLY FOR ACCESS. CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE DON'T WE'RE GOOD. ACCESS IS IN THE TEXT. AND SO WE'VE GOT THE TOOL WE NEED THAT IF THEY BUILD IT IN A WAY WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST MADE YOURSELF HAVE TO PAY MORE TO DO SOMETHING. WE CAN MAKE YOU DO ALL THE PHASE TWO BUILDING COULD BE AS BIG AS 250,000FT■!S, AND U NEED 500 SPACES OF PARKING. NOW, THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE YOU NEED 700 PLUS ADDITIONAL IN ADDITION TO ROOM FOR A BUILDING.
SO YEAH, YOU WOULD NEED APPROXIMATE FOR THAT NUMBER. FOR INSTANCE, YOU WOULD NEED APPROXIMATELY THOUSAND SPACES FOR THE WHOLE SITE. WHEN WE WERE DOING INITIAL PLANNING, I SUSPECT THAT WILL FIT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. THAT'S WHAT CONCRETE'S FOR. WE WOULD. YEAH. AT THAT POINT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING STRUCTURED PARKING SOLUTIONS, THINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BECAUSE THE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AS I ADDED IT UP EARLIER TODAY, WAS CLOSE TO 200, I THINK, SO JUST MAYBE A LITTLE OVER 200. SO THAT TAKES UP ALMOST THAT ENTIRE. SIX AND A HALF ACRES OF THE 13 ACRE SPOT, JUST WITH THE PARKING TO SUPPORT THE HOSPITAL PIECE. NOW SEEMS LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO CONTROL THE PIECE IN THE CORNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S PROBABLY A MOOT POINT. OKAY. I THINK NOTHING FURTHER. WE'VE DONE OUR HELPFUL THING BY SAYING, DON'T GIVE YOURSELF A SURPRISE. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. LAST CALL FROM THE PUBLIC. ALL RIGHT. LET'S. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS, RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FDP 57 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS. GO TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY.
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YES, MR. LARSON? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES. AYES HAVE IT. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENT. AND FOR THE MOTION ITSELF, I. WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL CONDITION IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH WAS THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE RECALCULATED IF THEY CHANGE THE USAGE IN THE LOWER LEVEL OR THE CUP TO BE SIMILAR TO THAT IN LEVEL ONE THROUGH THREE. THERE WAS ALSO A CHANGE TO THE FIRST CONDITION AND CHANGE THE FIRST CONDITION, WHICH I DID NOT GET WRITTEN DOWN. IT FLASHED. IT FLASHED ACROSS THE SCREEN. SO IT'S ALWAYS UP THERE NOW. OKAY, GOOD. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE ACTUAL FDP? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. FDP 57 TO 2025, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, NOTING THAT CONDITION ONE HAS BEEN CHANGED TO WHAT IS PRESENTED ON THE POWERPOINT AND AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION REQUIRES THAT THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT BE RECALCULATED IF ANY SPACE IN THE LOWER LEVEL, OR THE CDP GETS USED IN THE MANNER THAT LEVEL ONE THROUGH THREE GETS USED IN, AND SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.ARE THE CONDITIONS CLEAR? AS. OKAY? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE.
MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSON? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT.
THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT NOTING THAT THE FIRST CONDITION MUST HAS BEEN CHANGED AS SPECIFIED ON THE POWERPOINT AND THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION. CONDITION. THE AMOUNT OF PARKING REQUIRED MUST MATCH.
IT MUST BE RECALCULATED TO MATCH ANY CHANGE IN THE USES. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD LUCK. WHICH TAKES US TO CONDITIONAL USE. 55 COURTYARD TO HEINZ CREEK. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YES. SO THIS IS FOR A TEMPORARY SALES TRAILER TO OPERATE AT THE COURTYARDS AT HEINZ CREEK RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ON A 0.341 ACRE SITE. THE SITE IS LOCATED HERE. THE SALES TRAILER AND IT IS LOCATED AT ONE OF TWO ENTRANCES FOR THE SUBDIVISION, LOCATED OFF OF JUG STREET, AND THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. THE SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED ON THE BORDER OF FRANKLIN AND LICKING COUNTIES, AND ACCESSED OFF OF DRUG STREET AND CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. THE LOCATION OF THE TRAILER IS APPROPRIATE, AS IT IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND IDENTIFIABLE WHEN ENTERING THE SUBDIVISION. THIS PLAN SHOWS THE PROPOSALS OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST, AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR SUBDIVISION, SUCH AS THE COURTYARDS AT NEW ALBANY.
THE TEMPORARY SALES TRAILER IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED HERE, AND TRAILER IS PROPOSED FOR ONE YEAR OR UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE MODEL HOME IS OPEN AND OPERABLE, AND THIS IS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION INCLUDES ASSOCIATED TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE GREEN DOTS ON HERE. LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS USED TO SCREEN IT FROM THE MAIN ROAD, WHICH IS JUG STREET TO THE SOUTHEAST, AND PARKING WITH THIS TEMPORARY ASPHALT PARKING LOT. THERE'S ALSO A 30 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION ZONE THAT ALSO SCREENS AND BUFFERS THIS USE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT AND LANDSCAPING ARE REMOVED AT THE EXPIRATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THERE ARE TWO SIGNS BEING PROPOSED. BOTH SIGNS ARE REGULATED AS A TEMPORARY SIGN UNDER RESIDENTIAL FOR SALE OR LEASE SIGNS, WHICH HAS REGULATIONS ON SIGN AREA, SIGN HEIGHT, AND SIGN LOCATION. THE FIRST SIGN IS THIS 24 SQUARE FOOT WELCOME CENTER SIGN AND IT MEETS THE REGULATIONS AND IT IS LOCATED PERPENDICULAR TO THE ENTRANCE ROAD. THE SECOND SIGN ALSO MEETS REGULATIONS. IT IS A BROCHURE BOX SIGN NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE SALES TRAILER.
THESE SIGNS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR TEMPORARY SALES, TRAILER, SIGNAGE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE IS REMOVED AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND FOR CONDITION NUMBER FOUR REGARDING SIGNAGE. THE STAFF REPORT STATES THAT IT SHALL BE REMOVED WITHIN TEN DAYS AFTER THE SALE HAS OCCURRED. WE CHANGED THIS TO BETTER FIT THE OTHER CONDITIONS AND TO BETTER FIT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. IN ADDITION TO THOSE ALREADY MENTIONED, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ANY PROPOSED LIGHTING MEET REQUIREMENTS IN THE ZONING TEXT, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, AND THAT THE SALES TRAILER NOT BE USED AS A GENERAL REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE
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OFFICE. SO IF THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE MET, THE PROPOSED TEMPORARY SALES TRAILER IS CONSISTENT WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS. LET ME KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, I TRUST THERE'S NO ENGINEERING. CORRECT. OKAY. QUESTION FROM THE COMMISSION. OR ACTUALLY, CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING. EXCUSE ME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KELLY FANKHAUSER WITH EPCON COMMUNITIES, 500 STONEHENGE PARKWAY, DUBLIN, OHIO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING OUR APPLICATION THIS EVENING. AND LAUREN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOROUGH REVIEW AND REPORT. I HAVE A FEW OR SOME CLARIFYING DETAILS AND REQUESTS FOR THE CONDITIONS PROPOSED CONDITIONS IN THE REPORT. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY SHARE THOSE AT THIS TIME.FOR THE FIRST CONDITION, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THE SALES TRAILER IS SUPPLIED WITH EITHER A VERY COMMON SPECIFIED COACH LIGHT AT THE ENTRY DOOR OR A CEILING MOUNTED FIXTURE AT THE ENTRY. SINCE IT'S A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, WE REQUEST THAT THE BUILT IN LIGHTING PROVIDED BY THE TRAILER SUPPLIER BE ACCEPTABLE. CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE. THE SECOND CONDITION LET'S SEE HERE HAD SOME NOTES HERE. YES WE UNDERSTAND. YES, IT WON'T BE USED AS A GENERAL ESTATE BROKERAGE OFFICE. SKIPPING TO THE FOURTH EPCON GENERAL PRACTICE IS REALLY TO RELOCATE THE WELCOME CENTER SIGNS AND THE BROCHURE BOX SIGNAGE. AT THE TIME WHEN WE TRANSITIONED FROM THE SALES TRAILER TO THE CLUB, THE CLUBHOUSE FOR OUR SALES OPERATIONS, WE REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE SIGNAGE FOR THAT FUTURE RELOCATION, WITH THE CONDITION THAT EPCON WILL PROVIDE A SITE PLAN TO DEPICTING THE NEW LOCATION FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THE FIFTH, JUST SPECIFICALLY, I WANTED TO REQUEST THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ADD CLUBHOUSE AFTER MODEL HOME IN ADDITION TO MODEL HOME. IT'S OUR INTENTION THAT WE WILL MOVE OUR SALES OFFICE TO THE CLUBHOUSE, AND WE'D LIKE THAT TO BE ADDED INTO THIS CONDITION. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. MODEL HOMES CAN BE USED FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE.
OUR CLUBHOUSE IS ALLOWED TO BE USED UNDER THIS CONDITIONAL USAGE. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT THAT GETS RID OF THE HARD ONE. DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE A MODEL HOME AS AN INTERIM BETWEEN THE TRAILER AND THE CLUBHOUSE? IT'S OUR INTENTION THAT THE CLUBHOUSE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND WE WILL OCCUPY THAT PRIOR TO. OR AT THE SAME TIME THAT A MODEL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED. OKAY. SO THE IDEA IS YOU'LL GO FROM THE TRAILER TO THE CLUBHOUSE TO THE MODEL, TO THE CLUBHOUSE. OUR SALES OPERATIONS WILL BE IN THE CLUBHOUSE IN A SALES OFFICE. OKAY. I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU. I THOUGHT I HEARD A MOMENT AGO THAT THERE WOULD BE A. THERE WOULD BE A MODEL. OKAY, SO YOU DON'T PLAN TO HAVE A MODEL HOME AT ALL? WE PLAN TO HAVE A MODEL HOME. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. ULTIMATELY, WE WANT TO SELL OUT OF THE CLUBHOUSE. SO IF THAT CLUBHOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED AND WE HAVE OCCUPANCY AND WE CAN WITHIN THAT ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME, WE'D LIKE TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND NOT GO INTO OUR MODEL HOME AND HAVE TWO MOVES WHEN ULTIMATELY WE'D LIKE TO JUST BE INTO THE IN THE CLUBHOUSE FOR SALES OPERATIONS. OKAY. FOR STAFF, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH STUFF FOR THE MODEL HOME AS A CONDITION OR FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AS A CONDITIONAL USE AS A SALES OFFICE? LIGHTING, SIGNAGE? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH IN FRONT OF YOU TO. TALK ABOUT IT? WE DID JUST APPROVE A MODIFICATION TO THE CLUBHOUSE A MONTH OR SO AGO. SO WE DID DO AN EVALUATION THAT MET ALL ZONING REQUIREMENTS. I DO BELIEVE THE SALES OFFICE PART OF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALSO DONE AT THE EXISTING. YOUR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON 605, I BELIEVE, FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH HOW THAT WAS HANDLED. THAT CASE. OKAY. I SO. MY TEMPTATION FOR US IS AS APPROVED BY STAFF FOR LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE, IN MOST PARTICULAR IN ALL THREE SCENARIOS OF THE TRAILER WHICH WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, OR ACTUALLY THE STUFF WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND THE STUFF THAT WE DON'T. SO THAT WHEN THEY SWITCH USAGE, YOU CAN MANDATE ON OUR BEHALF THAT IT MEETS SIGN CODE, ETC. CAN WE JUST PUT SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL? YEAH, FINE. AND THERE'S JUST WE'RE JUST GOING TO ADD OR AFTER MODEL HOME OR
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CLUBHOUSE AFTER MODEL HOME AND THEN SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL AT THE END. I DID HAVE A QUESTION. I YOU WANTED TO CHANGE. YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THE CONDITION. NUMBER ONE, RELATING TO THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, ORIGINALLY WE HAD HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF THAT IT NEEDED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL INTEGRITY AND THE LIGHTING IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PURCHASE A LIGHT TO AFFIX TO THE TRAILER TEMPORARILY, THAT THE TRAILER SUPPLIED BY SUPPLIER, WHERE IT HAS LIGHTING INCLUDED. AND SINCE IT IS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE AND THE LIGHTING THEREFORE IS TEMPORARY, WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THIS INSTANCE AS STAFF LOOKED AT THAT, AS STAFF LOOKED AT THE LIGHTING AS IT RELATES TO THIS TEMPORARY TRAILER VERSUS THE LIGHTING FOR THE TRAILER WAS NOT SUBMITTED. IT CAN BE. IT'S WE FIND OUT WHAT THE LIGHTING IS WHEN IT'S DELIVERED WITH THE TRAILER. I CAN REQUEST FROM THE SUPPLIER FOR SOME SPECIFICATIONS OF THE LIGHTING AND SHARE WITH STAFF. IF THAT'S IF THAT WOULD HELP. IT'S GOING TO BE MANDATED.WELL UNDERSTOOD. YES. I'M JUST SAYING I CAN REACH OUT TO THE SUPPLIER TO PROVIDE THAT SPECIFICATION. SURE. I JUST DON'T WANT IT'S A CASE OF TRYING TO AVOID UNINTENDED SURPRISES THAT IF THEIR LIGHTING DOESN'T MEET STAFF APPROVAL, YOU'RE ON THE HOOK FOR MAKING IT MEET STAFF APPROVAL. GREAT. OR COMING BACK HERE FOR A CHANGE? SOME SORT OF A CHANGE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'RE ASKING US TO CHANGE THE CONDITION WITHOUT REALLY TELLING US WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. STAFF HASN'T LOOKED AT IT, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO APPROVE SOMETHING WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE APPROVING. CAN WE JUST SAY SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL? IT ALREADY DOES. AND THEN YOU'LL TAKE THE RISK THAT, YES, WHEN THE TRAILER COMES IN AND STAFF EVALUATES THE LIGHTING, THEY SAY, DON'T MAKE IT AND YOU GOT TO COME BACK TO US. SO. ALRIGHT. YES. UNDERSTOOD. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK, WE'LL PUT THE CONDITION IN. I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK. IT'S THERE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CONDITIONAL USE? YOU HAD COME TO THE MIC. GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND ASK YOUR QUESTION AND WE'LL TRY AND GET IT ANSWERED. YES. I'M DIANA MCROBERTS. I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE EAST. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE HOURS ARE GOING TO BE ON THIS TRAILER. WHEN IS IT OPEN? I MEAN, THERE'S MORNING, AFTERNOON, EVENINGS. I HAVE THE HOURS THAT THE APPLICANT TOLD ME THEY GET THERE REAL QUICK. SO IT'LL BE OPEN ON MONDAYS FROM 11 A.M. TO 6 P.M, ON TUESDAYS THROUGH SATURDAYS FROM 10 A.M. TO 6 P.M, AND ON SUNDAYS FROM NOON TO 6 P.M, SO OPEN UNTIL 6 P.M. EVERY DAY. IT'S NOT OPEN AT NINE AND 10 P.M. ON TUESDAYS AND SATURDAYS, OR TUESDAYS THROUGH SATURDAYS. IT OPENS AT 10 A.M. SO IT'S NOT OPEN AT NIGHT? NO, AT P M OR A M? NO. OKAY. AND IN FACT, HOURS OF OPERATIONS GET BAKED INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE, AS I RECALL THAT IT'S REQUIRED SUBMITTAL ITEM AND IT IS PART OF IT. SO. SO IF YOU SEE USAGE BEYOND THOSE TIMES, YOU'RE FREE TO CALL. CALL THE CITY AND LET THEM KNOW. AND THEY'LL COME OUT AND LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S A ZONING VIOLATION. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING LOT LIGHTING SPECIFIC FOR THE SALES TRAILER. THE ONLY LIGHTING WITH THE SALES TRAILER IS AFFIXED TO THE TRAILER ITSELF. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS AND STAFF REPORTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 55 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION? OKAY. THE ROLL. MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. LAWSON. YES, MISS. BRIGGS? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF? I MOVE TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL
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APPLICATION C U 55 2025, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THOSE CONDITIONS. CONDITION ONE WILL BE CHANGED TO INCLUDE THE PHRASE AT THE AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. OH, SORRY, IT ALREADY IS IN THERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. CONDITION FOUR IS CHANGED AS REFLECTED IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION, BUT THE TEMPORARY SIGNING SHALL. SIGNAGE SHALL BE REMOVED AT THE EXPIRATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND THEN CONDITION FIVE IS MODIFIED TO PROVIDE THAT THE WORDS OR CLUBHOUSE WILL BE INSERTED AFTER MODEL HOME, AND IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION? DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. WALLACE. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSON? YES. MR. KIRBY? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN THE CONDITIONS. CONDITION NUMBER FOUR. THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE SHALL BE REMOVED. WITH INTENT IS WITHIN TEN DAYS REMOVED FROM THAT SENTENCE. OR THAT'S COMING OUT OKAY AT JUST AT EXPIRATION OF THE PERMIT. SORRY, I WASN'T CLEAR. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. AND CONDITION FIVE I'M INSERTING AND OR CLUBHOUSE AFTER THE WORD MODEL HOME IS IN, THE EXISTING TEXT IS OPEN AND OPERABLE. COMMA. SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. ON THE RIGHT PAGE TO THE LEFT. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT.BRINGS US TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT. MODIFICATION. 58 COURTYARDS AT HAINES CREEK. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YEAH. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION FOR SOME MINOR ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES TO THE APPROVED ELEVATIONS FOR THE COURTYARDS AT HAINES CREEK SUBDIVISION. THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED ALL THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, ELEVATIONS, AND HAS RECOMMENDED CHANGES. AND THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THOSE DRAWINGS TO REFLECT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY ARCHITECT. SO THE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED. AND SO HERE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS FOR THE BEDFORD AND CLAY HOME STYLES THAT ARE TO ONLY BE ALTERED BY REMOVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH RAILING FOR THESE THREE HOME TYPES. SO THE CLAY RANCH CLAY BONUS AND BEDFORD BONUS. SO IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'LL HIGHLIGHT MORE OF A HIGH LEVEL CHANGE, MORE OF THE HIGH LEVEL CHANGES BEING MADE FOR A FEW OF THE ELEVATIONS. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH IN THERE, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO INCLUDE THAT ALL INTO THE POWERPOINT, BUT I HAVE SOME CHANGES FOR YOU GUYS. SO TO START OFF THE PALAZZO BONUS, A ELEVATION SHOWN HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS THE APPROVED AND THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE PROPOSED. SO SOME CHANGES ARE OR SOME CHANGES INCLUDE THE WINDOW MODIFICATIONS AND AN EYEBROW ROOF ABOVE THE GARAGE, WHICH IS HERE. AND THEN HERE ARE THE REAR AND RIGHT AND LEFT SIDE ELEVATIONS SHOWING ADDITIONS OF SOME FAKE SHUTTERS AND WINDOWS THAT THE ARCHITECT RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT ADD.
SO THIS IS THE PORTICO BONUS ELEVATION. AGAIN, ON THE LEFT SIDE IS THE APPROVED AND RIGHT SIDE IS PROPOSED. HERE THERE'S SOME REMOVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH RAILING. AGAIN SOME WINDOW CHANGES AND ADDITIONAL SMALL GABLE ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH HERE. AND THEN ON THE LEFT AND REAR SIDE ELEVATIONS SHOWING SOME ADDITIONS OF THE FAKE SHUTTER WINDOWS, AGAIN RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY ARCHITECT. AND HERE'S THE PROMENADE BONUS ELEVATIONS, WHICH INCLUDE CHANGES TO THE FRONT DOOR ORIENTATION, WHICH IS GOING FROM THE SIDE ENTRY TO THE FRONT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PREVIOUS APPROVED, THIS IS THE SIDE ENTRY. AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A FRONT ENTRY DOOR. AND THEN ON THE REAR AND LEFT SIDE ELEVATIONS AGAIN SHOWS SHOWING SOME FAKE SHUTTER WINDOWS. OH I DON'T THINK IT CHANGED. THERE WE GO. AND SO AGAIN STAFF WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR RESPONSIVENESS AND ADDRESSING. STAFF'S COMMENTS ON THE ELEVATION CHANGES AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. MAINTAIN THE FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE THAT IS SUGGESTED SUGGESTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND
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REQUIREMENTS AND ELEVATIONS PROVIDE DIFFERENT STYLES OF HOMES FOR RESIDENTS WHILE MAINTAINING THE DESIGN UNITY THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, ANY ENGINEERING? NO ENGINEERING. THANKS. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COME TO THE MIC. OH I'M SORRY. THE APPLICANT SORRY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, RON DAVIES, 810 CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. JUST MAYBE A CLARIFICATION. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IF I GOT IT STRAIGHT, THE REAL I'M SORRY. THE REAR ELEVATIONS WILL NOW INCLUDE WINDOWS FACING ON THE REAR. WHICH IS THAT CORRECT. SO THOSE SO IN MOST OF THESE ELEVATIONS THEY'RE FAKE WINDOWS. SO THIS YEAR THIS YEAR AND THIS YEAR ARE FAKE WINDOWS. THIS IS A NEW WINDOW. BUT THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION I BELIEVE THIS IS THE REAR WHICH SHOWS THREE FAKE OKAY. SO THE REAR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PROJECT NOW IS GOING TO HAVE A SERIES OF WINDOWS FACING TO THE WEST.THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING I'M SORRY I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE IF APPROVED HAS NO WINDOWS TO THE REAR OF THE PROJECT OF THE HOME. AND NOW WE'RE SAYING THERE ARE WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE REAR. SO THIS IS THESE ARE FAKE SHUTTERS. OKAY. SLASH WINDOWS. FAKE WINDOWS BASICALLY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? FAKE SHUTTERS OR WINDOWS WHICH CAN YOU VIEW OUT THEM BOTH. IT'S BOTH WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS CHRIS YOU'RE TOO FAR FROM YOUR MIC. WHAT WAS THAT? IT'S BOTH WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS. THESE MODIFICATIONS ACTUALLY BRING THE PROJECT MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DGRS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CANDIDLY WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO SEE AT THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL, THESE THESE FAKE WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY ARCHITECT TO BRING THEM IN COMPLIANCE WITH DGRS. BUT THE RESIDENT CANNOT SEE OUT THEM. CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S THE SAME BLANK WALL THEY ALWAYS HAD FROM THE INSIDE. THANK YOU. HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT PLEASE. SORRY I FORGOT TO GET THAT IN THERE. THANK YOU KELLY FANKHAUSER WITH AFRICAN COMMUNITIES. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT CHRIS HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE FAUX. WE WON'T HAVE ANY VIEW OUT TO MR. DAVIES PROPERTY TO THE WEST. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD. THANK YOU JAY FOR YOUR THOROUGH REVIEW AND REPORT. FROM THE COMMISSION. NO, NO. OKAY. OTHER OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. LET ME GET BACK TO MY. I MOVE. WE ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMEN. MODIFICATION. 58 2025. DO WE HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. LARSON. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, YES. HAVE IT WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. DO YOUR MOTION FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION ITSELF. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE FDP 58 2025. AS NOTED IN THE REPORT, FDM 50. IT IS UP TO THEM WHILE THEY'RE ON VACATION. YEAH. FDM FDM. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND I WAS LOOKING UNDER THE ACTION THAT SAYS FDP. THAT'S WHY I SAID FDP. OKAY, DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT? MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. LARSON? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES.
THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THANK YOU. WE'D ASK FOR THIS WHEN THIS THING WAS PUT TOGETHER TO HAVE LESS BLANK WALLS. OKAY. TAKES US TO VARIANCE 59 FROM STAFF. YES. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS APPLICANT OR THIS APPLICATION IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE WEST NINE ZONING TEXT TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED 30 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK TO BE 14FT FOR THE ADDITION, FOR AN ADDITION THAT WOULD BE CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING HOME. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS PROPERTY IS 0.85 ACRES ON A CORNER LOT LOCATED WITHIN THE NEW ALBANY COUNTRY CLUB SECTION 28. THE HOME WAS BUILT IN 2016, AND THE CURRENT OWNER BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2023. AND THE PROPERTY IS IN THE SOUTHWEST SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION OF HIGHGROVE AND HIGHGROVE FARMS, AND THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, SO LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, THE NEW ADDITION
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WOULD HAVE 320FT■!S INTO THE EXISTING REAR YARD SETBACK OF 30FT AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THE RED OUTLINE SHOWS WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW ADDITION. AND THEN THAT ORANGE YELLOW LINE IS SHOWING WHERE THAT SETBACK IS, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A OBVIOUS STANDOUT. AND THEN THIS IS JUST A FRONT ELEVATION OF WHAT THE NEW ADDITION WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE TODAY. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWING THAT THERE WILL BE A HIGH LEVEL OF SCREENING BETWEEN THE EXISTING POOL AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SAID THAT THEY WILL BE KEEPING A CODE COMPLIANT FENCE IN PLACE WITH THE POOL, SINCE THE POOL IS ALREADY EXISTING WITH THE FENCE. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT CORNER LOTS. SO THE WAY THAT WE INTERPRET THEM THROUGH CODE, THE CITY DETERMINES WHAT IS THE TRUE FRONT YARD BY WHICHEVER FRONTAGE ONTO THE STREET HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DIMENSION. SO IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE THE RED LINE ON HIGHGROVE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT WOULD BE THE TECHNICAL.IT WOULD BE A FRONT YARD FROM THE SENSE OF SETBACKS WOULD BE THE BLUE LINE, WHICH GOING BACK TO OUR TRUE FRONT YARD, ANYTHING THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE BACK OF THAT WOULD BE THE TRUE BACKYARD.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT ORANGE LINE. THANK YOU. SO THIS HAS THE SMALLEST DIMENSION. SO THIS IS THE TRUE FRONT YARD WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS THE ACTUAL BACKYARD. JUST FOR REFERENCE. SO THEN LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING LOTS. SO THIS DESIGN WOULD ACTUALLY MIRROR THE HOME ACROSS THE STREET AT NINE HIGHGROVE FARMS. AND AGAIN WITH THAT TRUE FRONT YARD, THEIR SMALLEST DIMENSION WAS ON HIGHGROVE HARMS WHICH MAKES THIS THEIR TRUE FRONT YARD AND THIS THEIR ACTUAL BACKYARD. SO IT WOULD STILL BE FITTING INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE A DIRECT MIRROR OF WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET. AND ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT FOR HIGHGROVE IS THE SMALLEST LOT ON HIGHGROVE FARMS AT 0.85 ACRES. WHAT EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL OTHER FIVE LOTS ON THAT ROAD ARE OVER AN ACRE. AND IN SUMMARY, THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE CONDITION JUST WITH THE LOTS CORNER CONFIGURATION, DUAL STREET FRONTAGE, EXISTING EASEMENTS AND ORIENTATION OF THE ORIGINAL HOME RESULTS IN THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE BEING CLASSIFIED AS THE REAR YARD, CREATING A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE. THE PROPOSED SETBACK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE AREA, MAINTAINING A GREATER DISTANCE FROM THE SHARED LOT LINE THAN WHAT IS PERMITTED FOR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE WEST, AND THE VARIANCE SUPPORTS A COHESIVE STREETSCAPE THAT PRESERVES THE OVERALL INTENT OF THE ZONING CODE. AND I KNOW I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS, I BELIEVE, A POWERPOINT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE AS WELL. OKAY, I TAKE IT THERE'S NO ENGINEERING. NO ENGINEERING COMMENTS. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? JUST LET ME GET IT UP FIRST. I THINK THAT ONE HAS IT ON. OH. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. AARON UNDERHILL AND UNDERHILL AND HODGE, 800 WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS THE BUILDER. SO TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I CAN'T ANSWER, THEY'RE HERE TO ASSIST. SO HERE AGAIN IS THE PROPERTY AND THE HOME THAT WAS BUILT IN 2016. YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE IN 2007 WHEN IT WAS ZONED, THERE WAS NOT A PARTICULAR LOT LAYOUT. IT WAS A CPWD. SO I BELIEVE SEVERAL YEARS LATER IT WAS PLATTED, MAYBE 2013. AND AT THAT POINT, THE FRONT AND REAR YARD INSIDE YARDS WERE SET. WELL, IN SOME RESPECTS BY BY PLACING THE LOT HERE. BUT THEN THE TRUE FRONT YARD WAS NEVER REALLY DETERMINED UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE DESIGN WAS APPROVED, AND THAT WE FOUND OUT IT WAS THE EASTWARD FACING FRONT YARD. THE EASTERN FACING LOT LINE WOULD BE THE FRONT YARD. THIS IS A LOOK INTO THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION KIND OF LOOKING. I GUESS THIS WOULD BE SOUTHWEST. AND THIS IS THIS IS FROM MORE OF A STREET VIEW. THIS IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY FROM THE NORTH COMING INTO THE SITE. AND THIS IS A PORTION OF THE ADDITION. THE ADDITION IS INTENDED TO BE A GARAGE ADDITION, A POOL HOUSE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. KYLIE MENTIONED AND SHOWED THIS PERSPECTIVE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE REAR YARD THAT POOL ALREADY EXISTS THERE.
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YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN WHERE THE ADDITION WOULD BE. IT'D BE CONNECTING TO THE HOME. THIS WILL BE PRETTY MUCH OPAQUE ONCE THAT LANDSCAPING IS INSTALLED FROM THE THIS THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THAT REAR LOT LINE WHAT IS DESIGNATED AS A REAR LOT LINE ON ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY THE SIDE LOT LINE ON THE ONE NEXT TO US. AND THE SIDE YARD SETBACK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS SEVEN FEET. SO THERE COULD BE A CONDITION IN THE FUTURE WHERE THAT PROPERTY WOULD HAVE A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK.WHEREAS AT OUR CLOSEST POINT HERE, THIS ADDITION IS GOING TO BE 14FT FROM THAT LOT LINE. THAT WILL ONLY BE AT A AT A POINT. THAT'S ANOTHER VIEW. LOOKING BACK OVER AT THAT HOUSE OVER THERE TO THE WEST. THIS IS PARTICULARLY INSTRUCTIVE IN TERMS OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
YOU CAN SEE THAT HASHED AREA THERE. THAT'S ABOUT 320FT■!S OF ABOUT A 2500 SQUARE FOOT FLOOR PLATE, I GUESS, FOR THE ADDITION. SO ROUGHLY 12% OF THIS WOULD BE WITHIN THE BUILDING MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK, THAT BEING A REAR YARD, I'M GOING TO FAST FORWARD A LITTLE BIT HERE.
THIS THIS SHOWS EASEMENTS AS WELL THAT THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A STORMWATER EASEMENT AND UTILITIES EASEMENT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. GREAT CARE HAS BEEN TAKEN TO KEEP THIS OUT OF THOSE EASEMENTS. SO THIS IS MERELY A SETBACK VARIANCE, NOT AN EASEMENT VARIANCE. AND GOING BACK HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE BY OF THE 14 FOOT SETBACK BY RUNNING THIS PARALLEL AND CAPITALIZING ON THAT ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THIS THIS ADDITION RATHER WE'RE A MINOR PART OF IT IS REALLY WHAT IS ENCROACHING AND NOT ALL OF IT AT 14FT. WORTH MENTIONING THAT WE PROACTIVELY, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PROACTIVELY WENT OUT AND SPOKE TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, AND THERE ARE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT HOPEFULLY MADE IT INTO YOUR PACKET. WE PROVIDED A LETTER FOR EACH NEIGHBOR TO SIGN. THERE WAS ONE HERE THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET AHEAD OF TIME THAT ISN'T STARTED HERE, SORT OF TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE. WE DO HAVE A TEXT FROM THAT GENTLEMAN, MR. WELCH, SAYING THAT HE HAS NO ISSUES WITH THIS AS WELL. SO THE NEIGHBORS ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE ADDITION AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE TO THE STREETSCAPE. SO A NUMBER OF THINGS HAPPENING HERE, PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY WISE, THE LOT GEOMETRY, THE CONDITION OF THERE BEING A CORNER LOT WITH TWO FRONTAGES, THE EASEMENTS IN THE BACK, WHICH SORT OF. NEGATES HERE KIND OF NEGATE THE ABILITY TO DO MUCH OVER IN WHAT IS THAT MORE EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE ADDITION, THIS THIS HOME ONLY HAS THREE, A THREE CAR GARAGE AT THIS POINT, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD HAD AT LEAST FOUR. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A GARAGE ADDITION, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE IT CLOSER TO THE STREET. AND THEN, AS KYLIE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF FIT IN WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU TEND TO HAVE A LOT OF A LOT OF FRONTAGE OCCUPIED BY BUILDING AREA, IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO PLACE THIS WHERE THEY DID. SO WITH THAT, FOR THE RECORD, MR. SHELL HAS JOINED THE COMMISSION.
SORRY. GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY, CAN I ASK MY BRAIN IS LIKE BROKEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THIS THE SIDE YARD OR THE REAR YARD? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS INTO THE SIDE YARD. AND YOU SAID THAT THERE'S A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK. SO. WELL. SO ANDREA, THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION. SO IF YOU LOOK HERE THIS BECAUSE FOR THE REASONS THAT KYLIE MENTIONED IN THE FRONT DOOR TO THE EXISTING HOME IS HERE. YEAH, THAT TECHNICALLY MAKES THIS THE REAR YARD. THAT'S THE REAR YARD. BUT ON THIS PROPERTY BEHIND IT OR BESIDE IT IS A SIDE YARD. OKAY. AND SO WE'RE CHOOSING TO REALLY TREAT THIS MORE LIKE A SIDE YARD. AND YOU'LL NOTICE OVER HERE THAT THIS IS KIND OF ACTING AS, AS THE REAR YARD RATHER THAN SIDE.
SO IT BUT IS THAT THE SIDE YARD FOR THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT WE SHOULD BE USING FOR CALCULATIONS. THAT'S THE SIDE THAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIDE YARD FOR THE PROPERTY. OKAY. IS THIS AND THIS IS TECHNICALLY THE REAR YARD. AND WHAT IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR THE SIDE AREA.
SEVEN FEET OKAY. SO IF YOU USED A SIDE YARD CALCULATION WOULD YOU GUYS BE FINE FOR THAT AREA.
YES OKAY. SO THEN BUT THE REAR YARD IS 30FT IS 30. SO OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING IN I'M LOOKING AT
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THIS PICTURE HERE AND IT'S LIKE 20 YARD SETBACK. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING INTO OKAY I'M SO SORRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH I UNDERSTAND IT SO MUCH BETTER NOW. THANK YOU. PLEASE GO. YEAH.DID YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD? NO. IS IT JUST A SETBACK OR IS THERE AN EASEMENT BACK THERE TOO? JUST A SETBACK. AND SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF, OF THIS RIGHT HERE IS TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE EASEMENTS ARE AND SHOW YOU THAT WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING ON ANY OF THE EASEMENTS, BUT IT ALSO DEMONSTRATES THAT IT ALSO KIND OF REALLY LIMITS WHERE YOU CAN DO AN ADDITION OF THIS MAGNITUDE. AND IT REALLY IS APPROPRIATE HERE. IDLE CURIOSITY. IF WE FLIPPED WHAT THE FRONT YARD WAS, DO YOU STILL. AND SO THE BACKYARD IS TO MY LEFT AS SHOWN. DO YOU HAVE 30FT. YES. SO IF YOU FLIP THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOUSE, NO VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED AT ALL. AND IT'S AS BUILT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY VARIANCE FOR AS IT IS. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A WONDERFUL PIECE OF INFORMATION TO HAVE BECAUSE IF IT WAS LIKE, NO, WE WANT TWO SIDE YARDS. BUT WHAT THIS REALLY SAYS IS CAN WE SWAP OUR BACKYARD AND OUR SIDE YARD. RIGHT. AND IT'S CLEAN. IF THEY DID THE SWAP, THAT'S RIGHT. THERE WOULD BE NO VARIANCE. THERE'LL BE NO VARIANCES AT ALL.
OKAY. IS IT ALSO FAIR TO SAY THAT IF THEY JUST WANTED TO PUT THE GARAGE PORTION ON THIS PROPERTY, THAT THE VARIANCE WOULDN'T BE NEEDED? AND IF THEY JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE OR THE POOL HOUSE WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ON TOP OF IT, THE VARIANCE WOULDN'T BE NEEDED EITHER. BUT IT'S THE FACT THAT THEY WANT TWO ADDITIONAL GARAGES AND A POOL HOUSE THAT DOESN'T FIT. THAT'S THAT'S FAIR. AND I YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS I RAISED THE POINT OF THE NUMBER OF GARAGES IN THIS AREA IS THAT THIS IS DEFICIENT IN THAT REGARD. AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE ON TOP OF SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY SORT OF CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT YOU HAVE TO AGREE THAT THOSE OTHER LOTS ARE LARGER, RIGHT? AND ARE GOING TO MORE READILY ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES THAT THIS APPLICANT IS REQUESTING. ALL RIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONCEDE THAT. OKAY. AND WOULD YOU BE, AS YOU SAY, IF THE NEW GARAGE PORTION, THE TWO CAR GARAGE WAS PULLED DOWN ON THAT SHEET, YOU WOULD NOT BE ENCROACHING AS MUCH. AND THAT EASEMENT, RIGHT, IF IT WERE MOVED DOWN? YES. IF YOU PULLED IT MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT, WHAT WE CALL THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YES. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD CREATE SOME ISSUES WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE DRIVEWAY. WE'RE NOT MODIFYING THE DRIVEWAY, BUT YOU COULD COME ON. RIGHT, BUT YOU COULD MODIFY A DRIVEWAY OR A SIDEWALK. SO WHERE THE EXISTING NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. I'M SORRY, I'M VINCE COLEMAN OF CUSTOM BUILDERS, 3232 CANYON ROAD IN GRANVILLE. IF WE WERE TO, WE TRIED EVERYTHING, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER MARKED AS THE REAR YARD AND IT WAS DISCOVERED RIGHT AT THE END, ITS REAR YARD. NOW YOU NEED A VARIANCE. SO WE DID EVERYTHING WE ORIGINALLY WERE JUST DEALING WITH EASEMENTS. WE MADE SURE WE PUT EVERYTHING WITHIN THE EASEMENTS. WE WOULD PREFER TO SPREAD IT OUT IF WE COULD HAVE, BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY IS A LITTLE BIT TIGHT TO GET IN. BUT TO PULL THAT FORWARD TOWARDS THE FRONT IS REALLY GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT, THAT DRIVE AREA, TRY AND GET CARS IN AND OUT. WHAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM MOVING THE DRIVEWAY? I'M SORRY, WHAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM MOVING THE DRIVEWAY IN THAT PHOTO TO THE LEFT WHERE YOU HAVE IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU HAD A 90 DEGREES FROM THE TWO AREAS WHERE THE GARAGES ARE AT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT'S PRETTY TOUGH. IF YOU SEE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN RIGHT NOW TO TRY AND MAKE THAT TURN RIGHT THERE, THE EXISTING HOUSE ITSELF, WITH THE THREE CARS THAT IT HAS, THAT'S ALREADY A TOUGH AREA FOR THEM TO GET INTO NOW, I GUESS I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT. OTHER QUESTION WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WHAT IS NOW YOUR SIDE YARD HAS A 30 FOOT SETBACK? YES YES YES YES OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT. WOULD THAT WORK WITH THE POOL? I'M SORRY I'M LOOKING AT THIS SECOND COMMENT. THE POOL IS WELL WITHIN THE SETBACK. IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT. IF YOU IT'S KIND OF HARD WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT THERE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LONG DIAGONAL LINE BACK THERE. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE 30 FOOT. SO ONCE WE GET PAST A LITTLE BIT OF THE GARAGE AREA, WE'RE WELL WITHIN 30 FOOT SETBACK. BUT YOU'VE GOT 30FT HERE TO HERE. SO IF YOU GIVE ME 30FT THIS BECOMES YOUR REAR YARD. EXCEPT YOU GET YOUR SPACE HERE. IT'S EFFECTIVELY. IF IT WERE SWAPPED, YOU DON'T NEED THE VARIANCE OKAY. AND IT ALL MEETS IT. AND THEREFORE AND YOU'RE WILLING TO LIVE WITH IT AS
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THOUGH IT WERE SWAPPED. OKAY. AND THIS THIS MAKES THE VARIANCE A LOT EASIER TO DO BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAYING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ON THE OTHER STREET. AND SO ALL THE ALL THE ISSUES GO AWAY. YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE COMPLETELY. AND SO YOU DON'T GET TWO SIDE YARDS. YOU COULD HAVE A REAR YARD. IT'S JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE. ABSOLUTELY. WE AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. SO IF WE DID THAT WE WOULDN'T BE VOTING FOR A VARIANCE. WE'D JUST BE VOTING.WELL IT HAS TO BE A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S THAT OUR DEFINITION OF WHAT A FRONT YARD IS DOESN'T LET US ROTATE IT. SO OUR CODE DOESN'T ENVISION WIDE LOTS. OUR CODE SAYS ALL LOTS MUST BE LONG AND NOT WIDE. THE VARIANCE WOULDN'T BE ON ENCROACHMENT. IT WOULD THEN JUST BE ON THE DEFINITION OF FRONT YARD. THE VARIANCE IS STILL GOING TO HAVE TO BE AS REQUESTED. AND SO WE SAY OKAY, YOU CAN INTRUDE INTO WHAT IS LEGALLY YOUR BACKYARD THIS MUCH. AND AS PART OF THE DEAL, WE YOU AGREE TO STAY OUT OF A REALLY LARGE SIDE YARD WHICH WILL ACT AS THOUGH IT WERE THE BACKYARD. IT WILL STILL BE A SIDE YARD, SO THEY GAIN A 30 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THEY GET A VARIANCE TO INTRUDE INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK. MR. SIDE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT THAT THE OTHER VARIANCE WE COULD HAVE REQUESTED WAS TO MAKE THE OTHER LOT LINE THE FRONT YARD, RATHER THAN THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY IS. BUT IT'S THE SAME RESULT, I THINK RESULTS THE SAME. WELL, MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS WHICH ONE DO WE WANT? I THINK IF YOU I'M WORRIED ABOUT I'M WORRIED JUST FROM LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, I'M WORRIED THAT IF YOU USE THIS THE 30 TO MAKE THIS A SIDE YARD AND MAKE THE SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS HERE, I'M WORRIED THAT YOU CLIP YOUR POOL AND YOUR FENCE AND ALL THAT. THEY DON'T. IT GETS EVEN BIGGER THERE. WE'RE CONFIDENT. WE DON'T. BUT I ALSO THINK THE FOOTAGE FOR STRUCTURES. YEAH 30 FOOT STRUCTURES, POOLS CAN BE 15FT AWAY. I JUST MEASURED IT. IT'S APPROX. IT'S OVER 30FT. THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE. YEAH. IT GETS WIDER AS YOU GO FROM THE LONGER IT GETS WIDER. DEPENDING ON WHAT STAFF PREFERRED, YOU COULD MAKE A VARIANCE THAT THE FRONT YARD IS NOW THE OTHER SIDE. WE GET AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO DO ONE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU DISCUSSED, AS OPPOSED TO THE OPPOSITE I THINK WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO HANDLE IT. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WE VARIED THE LEGAL DEFINITION OF SOMETHING. WE GAVE THEM A VARIANCE ON THE NUMBERS AND. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S THE CONDITION. THEY GAINED A 30 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE SIDE THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE SEVEN FOOT SETBACK. SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE CURRENTLY HERE, THEY'VE GOT 30FT HERE. AND WE'RE MANDATING THAT THAT BE STAY THAT STAY 30FT UNBUILT. THEY COULD GO WAYS THIS WAY. THEY ONLY NEED TO GET ALL THE WAY TO THE EASEMENT BECAUSE THEY ONLY NEED SEVEN FEET FROM THE BUILDING TO THE LOT LINE ON THE SIDE YARD. PUT MORE FAIRLY. THAT'S OKAY. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING THE CONDITION IS THEY GET THIS VARIANCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY MORE. WELL THEY GET THEY GET THE SPACE THEY NEED HERE. AND NO. AND THEY GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO BUILD. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T GET ANY MORE USAGE OF THEIR 23FT OF BUILDABLE SPACE WENT AWAY. AND I THINK DOING IT THAT WAY KIND OF GOES TO THE PECULIARITY AND THE HARDSHIP OF THE LOT A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
YEAH, IT FITS DUNCAN A LOT BETTER THIS WAY, RIGHT I AGREE. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE APPLICANT FOR TALKING TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS AND GETTING RESPONSE FROM ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE OUR WORST NIGHTMARE IS WE APPROVE A VARIANCE, AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS COME BACK WITH PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES AND SAY WE DIDN'T WANT IT. WHY DID THEY HAVE TO? WHY? YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE RULES AND ALL THAT. BUT IF ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE LIKE, FINE, THEN THE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO PROTECT ARE SAYING IT'S FINE.
FOR THE QUESTIONS. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR VARIANCE. 59 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? OKAY. THE ROLL. MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. LARSON. YES. MR. SHELL ABSTAIN. WE'RE HERE FOR THE WHOLE PRESENTATION.
THAT WAS THAT WAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH THE AYES HAVE IT WITH FOUR VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. OKAY. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL VARIANCE 59 2025. BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS THAT THE ENCROACHMENT, AS REQUESTED, IS
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ONLY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED AND NOT MORE THAN THAT. AND IT DOES NOT IMPLY THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENCROACH ANY EASEMENT FOR CONDITION ONE. CONDITION TWO THE SIDE YARD. SORRY, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT DIRECTION IT IS AT. ONE OF THEIR SIDE YARDS GOES FROM HAVING A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK TO A 30 FOOT SETBACK. AND WE SHOULD BE CLEAR FROM THE CONDITION FROM THE DISCUSSION, WHICH WHAT YARD THAT IS. SO YOU'VE GOT HIGHGROVE AND HIGHGROVE. WHAT WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET? HIGHGROVE FARMS AND HIGHGROVE.OKAY. SO IT'S THE ONE OPPOSITE OF HIGHGROVE FARMS OKAY. YES, YES. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A SECOND? I'M ABOUT TO. I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS GOT WRITTEN DOWN. YEAH. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? NO. MR. LARSON. YES. MR. SHELL, ABSTAIN. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH THREE VOTES. TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE ENCROACHMENT IS ONLY AS REQUESTED, AND NO MORE. AND NUMBER TWO, THERE'S A 30 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, OPPOSITE OF HIGH OF HIGH GROWTH FARMS. OKAY, OKAY, I VOTED NO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DUNCAN FACTORS HAVE BEEN MET. I THINK THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY STANDARD IS NOT MET HERE. I THINK THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY IS THE USAGE, USE OF THE PROPERTY IN GENERAL, AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT THIS VARIANCE. I DON'T THINK THE GARAGE COMPARISON TO THIS LOT THAT'S SMALLER DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY GARAGES AS OTHER LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A PERSUASIVE REASON TO PROVIDE A VARIANCE, AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I VOTED NO. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THE 30 FOOT SIDE YARD. THANK YOU.
BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO DO THE ROTATION AND MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR US TO DEPEND ON THAT WAY. GOOD LUCK. YEAH. GOOD LUCK. THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO. BRINGS US TO CONDITIONAL USE 62 NOTTINGHAM. TRACE. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YES. SO THIS MODEL HOME IS GOING TO BE IS LOCATED ON THREE LOTS IN THE NOTTINGHAM SUBDIVISION. THIS IS THE SAME SUBMITTAL THAT WAS FIRST HEARD IN 2018 AND THEN AGAIN IN 2022. IT WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA DUE TO STAFF REALIZING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE CONDITION IS ONLY VALID FOR THREE YEARS AND IT WAS EXPIRED, SO WE NEEDED TO GET A NEW ONE FOR THEM. FOR NOTTINGHAM RIGHT NOW THEY ARE AT 149 LOTS, HAVING BEEN DEVELOPED WITH 29 IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF PERMITTING CONSTRUCTION, WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE 240 LOTS TOTAL IN THE SUBDIVISION, SO THERE ALMOST 90% COMPLETE AT THIS POINT. SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAVE TO HEAR THIS ONE. AND THEN THESE ARE THE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL AND THE SAME SUBMITTAL NOW AND THEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. SO IT'S UP THERE LOOKS WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T GET ANYTHING BACK FROM ANY NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER TWO CONDITIONAL USES FOR THIS AS WELL. OKAY. ADDRESS.
THERE'S NO ENGINEERING. CORRECT. AND I DON'T SEE AN APPLICANT. SO NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD. DID THE APPLICANT SAY WHY THEY NEEDED THREE YEARS IF THEY'RE 90% COMPLETE? I THINK THAT'S JUST WHAT THE CONDITIONAL USE IS SET UP FOR IS THE THREE YEARS. BUT THAT COULD BE MODIFIED TO A SHORTER LENGTH, RIGHT? IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO. YEAH, IT'S BEEN APPROVED TWICE AT THREE YEARS. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO FOR CONDITIONAL USES. BUT YEAH, YOU GUYS CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT IF YOU'D LIKE. IF WE COULD SUNSET IT WHEN IT'S THE ONLY UNSOLD UNIT WE DO THAT LIKE YEAH, IT EXPIRES WHEN ALL THE LOTS ARE SOLD. RIGHT. OR WHICHEVER COMES FIRST, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. WHEN ALL THE LOTS WERE SOLD FOR THREE YEARS EITHER. YEAH. ALL LOTS ARE SOLD FOR THREE YEARS. OKAY. MAKING THAT CHANGE TO CONDITION TWO. AND FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S
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THERE IS NO PUBLIC TO COMMENT. I GUESS THE FINAL LOT WOULD BE THE MOTIVE WOULD BE THE WELL, ALL THAT WOULD BE THE MODEL ITSELF. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. SO YOU NEED TO LEAVE? PROBABLY. YEAH.ALL RIGHT. I WOULD ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS, RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 6220, 25. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS.
OKAY. DO THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY. YES, MR. SHELL? YES, MR. LARSON. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES.
MISS. DID I MISS UP? MR. WALL? DID I GET EVERYBODY? NO. I'VE GOT FOUR DOTS ON MY LITTLE MARKER. SO WE'RE SHORT ONE. THANK YOU, MR. WALLACE. MR. WALLACE, I'M SORRY I MISSED THE SECOND. NO, I DID ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA DO IT AGAIN. MR. KIRBY, I DON'T REMEMBER, MR. WALLACE. I GO. YES. OKAY. GREAT. MR. LARSON. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. SHELL? YES. THERE WE GO. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THAT I THOUGHT I VOTED YES. ALL RIGHT, BECAUSE I PUT LITTLE DOTS DOWN. AS I'M FOLLOWING THIS, I FEEL LIKE I'M ON AMERICA'S GOT TALENT WITH FIVE YESES. DO I HEAR A CONDITION? DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE Q-62. DASH 205 I'M SORRY. 2025 NOTTINGHAM TRACE MODEL HOME QUEUE EXTENSION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE EXTENSION EXPIRES WHEN ALL THE LOTS ARE SOLD, OR AT THREE YEARS WITH CONDITION TWO CHANGED WITH CONDITION TWO CHANGED SO WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS AND TWO CONDITIONS, IT'S BEEN MODIFIED. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? WHO'S THE SECOND PART? CAN I HAVE A ROLL? MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. SHELL. YES, MR. LAWSON.
YES, MR. WALLACE, EXCUSE ME. YES, MR. KIRBY. YES, YES, THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE EXTENSION, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATION TO CONDITION TWO. THAT THE CONDITION EXPIRES WHEN ALL THE LOTS ARE SOLD, OR IN THREE
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YEARS, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. YEAH, THANKS TO OTHER BUSINESS. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. SO WE ARE BACK. THESE FIRST THREE CODE CHANGES THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA. WE ARE SEEKING REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVAL. ALL THREE OF THEM ARE RELATED TO ESTABLISHING ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES WHICH WE WORKSHOPPED WITH YOU GUYS DURING OUR LAST SESSION. SO I'LL I'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU GUYS PRETTY QUICKLY HERE. YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE THE RED LINE DOCUMENTS PACKETS. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS CODE CHANGE IS TO CODIFY EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE FOUND IN EXISTING LIMITATION TEXT THROUGHOUT THE BUSINESS PARK.YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB ESTABLISHING VERY, VERY CONSISTENT STANDARDS THAT KYLIE FOUND. SHE PULLED AND RESEARCHED EVERY LIMITATION TEXT YOU GUYS HAVE EVER APPROVED, AND WE ARE TAKING THOSE STANDARDS OUT OF THOSE TEXTS AND CODIFYING THEM, AS WELL AS PROVIDING STANDARDS FOR ADVANCED FABRIC STRUCTURES. IF YOU GUYS RECALL, WE DID UPDATE THE TMD CODE SECTION TO PROVIDE STANDARDS FOR ADVANCED FABRIC STRUCTURES. SOME OF THOSE ARE BEING BUILT IN THE CITY TODAY. THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. THIS IS ON BEACH AND MORSE ROAD. SO THE REGULATIONS FOR THE ADVANCED FABRIC STRUCTURES ARE IDENTICAL TO THOSE THAT WERE PUT IN THE CODE SECTION. THIS IS AGAIN JUST PULLED FROM YOUR YOUR REDLINE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS. THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WE MADE HERE WAS THAT WE INCLUDED A MINIMUM ACREAGE OF THREE OR A MINIMUM. THE MINIMUM ACREAGE WENT UP TO 300 ACRES. AGAIN, JUST TO LIMIT THESE FROM JUST POPPING UP ALL THROUGHOUT THE ZONING DISTRICT. WE WANT TO LIMIT IT TO LARGER SITES IN THE CITY, JUST LIKE THE ZONING DISTRICT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THIS IS SHOWING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THE CLASSIFICATION. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE GENERAL EMPLOYMENT OR ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS THE LARGEST IN THE BUSINESS PARK. AND AGAIN KYLIE, THANK YOU. WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LIMITATION TEXT AND PULLED OUT AGAIN WHERE THE STANDARDS WERE CONSISTENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ADOPTED THROUGH VARIOUS REZONINGS OVER THE YEARS. WE PULLED THOSE STANDARDS OUT AND CODIFIED THEM.
SO THERE'S VARIOUS ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE NOW IN THE GE SECTION. WE ALSO DID SOME CLEANUP RELATED TO THIS, THIS THIS PROJECT. SO IN OUR DEFINITION SECTION WE ADDED A DEFINITION IN THE DEFINITION SECTION FOR DESIGN GUIDELINES OR REQUIREMENTS OR THE DG SO THAT
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IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OVERLAY DISTRICT WHICH IS ALSO BEING MODIFIED, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A SECOND. AND THEN WE REMOVED ANY REFERENCES TO VILLAGE AND REPLACE TO THE CITY BECAUSE WE'VE GROWN UP. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO MADE SOME CHANGES TO 1157. SO WITHOUT GETTING TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE APPLICABILITY OF THE DG THAT EXIST IN THE DGRS. THAT'S BEEN KIND OF JUST INTERPRETED THROUGHOUT THE TIME TO APPLY TO THE GE DISTRICT. BUT WE THOUGHT AND CONSULTATION WITH CITY STAFF THAT IT WOULD BE BEST JUST TO PROVIDE THAT CLEAR EXCEPTION FOR CERTAIN BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. THE EXCEPTION FROM THE DGR BUILDING TYPOLOGIES, CLEARLY IN 1157 AND THEN REFERENCED AGAIN IN 1153, IS THAT CLEANUP WAS MADE. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT SINCE I STARTED WORKING HERE. WE'RE ALSO ADDING NAMING AND HYPERLINKING EACH INDIVIDUAL SECTION IN CODE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON A WEBSITE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION. SO THAT'S THE CHANGES IN A NUTSHELL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH, CLEARLY THERE'S NO ENGINEERING. JOSH HAS BEEN ON A ROLL TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU NEED A MOTION FROM US TO RECOMMEND THIS TO COUNCIL. YES. OKAY. DO WE NEED CAN WE DO THEM ALL AS A GROUP OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE CHANGES TO COUNCIL? OKAY, LET'S GO HOME. I WILL I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE CHANGES IN ITEMS ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR UNDER OTHER BUSINESS TO COUNCIL. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. CAN YOU ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. LARSON. YES, MR. SHELL.
YES, YES. HAVE IT WITH ALL VOTES TO RECOMMEND THE CODE CHANGES. COUNCIL, DID WE HAVE TO ADD THE DOCUMENTS? PARDON ME. I CALLED FOR ITEMS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OUT OF THE. YEAH, OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD DONE SO. AND THANK YOU FOR GETTING THESE THINGS ONLINE. I READ THE PACKET ONLINE AND THAT WAS WHAT A GODSEND FOR BREAKING IT OUT, BECAUSE IT WAS A MONSTER. AND BEING ABLE FROM THE WEBSITE TO HIT THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES. ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY LIST FOR ONE OF THEM GOT TAGGED WITH THE AGENDA. SO. PULL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. SARAH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. OH, SORRY. WHOOPS. SORRY. YEP. OH, OKAY. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. ALL TOGETHER THEN. I NEED TO RECONSIDER THE MOTION BECAUSE I SAID ONE THROUGH FOUR. OH, SORRY. OH.
THANK YOU. WELL, DO THE WHY DON'T YOU DO THE PRESENTATION YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO.
AND THEN WE WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO CONSIDER THE MOTION, BECAUSE IT MAY NOT CHANGE YOUR RECOMMENDATION. IT MAY NOT CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATION. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY? YES. OKAY. PERFECT. ALRIGHTY. SO STAFF, WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE BZA, IS RECOMMENDING A CODE AMENDMENT TO SECTION 1160 908 TO UPDATE HOW WALL SIGNS ARE MEASURED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, BUT LATE LAST YEAR WE BROUGHT COMMERCIAL WALL SIGNS TO PC TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY GO UP TO 200FT■!S. WEO FEEL LIKE THAT IS WORKING. WE DID HAVE TWO VARIANCES BACK IN JUNE, AND ONE OF THEM WAS OVER 200FT■!S. BUT IF THEY MEASURED LIKE THIS, THEY WOULD HAVE MET THE REGULATIONS. SO WE ARE NOW PROPOSING THAT INSTEAD OF AN IMAGINARY RECTANGLE THAT CAUSES BLANK SPACE TO BE COUNTED, THAT IT NOW IS JUST THE PERIMETER OF THE LETTERS, NUMBERS AND EMBLEMS AS SHOWN WITH THE NEW ALBANY LOGO. I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WOULD THIS BE APPLICABLE CITYWIDE? YES, IT'D BE ALL WALL SIGNS, SO WE'D EFFECTIVELY BE APPROVING TO ENLARGE THE SIZE OF ALL SIGNS. GO FORWARD. YES, IT'S CHANGING HOW TO MEASURE IT WHICH WOULD THEN CHANGE THE COULD CHANGE THE HEIGHT OR THE END OR WIDTH IN THERE. YEAH. I'M ACTUALLY I'M STRUGGLE WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE I THINK I DON'T WANT TO SEE BIGGER MASSES OF SIGNAGE IN THE CITY, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE BUSINESS PARK MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT I THINK I STRUGGLE WITH THE CITYWIDE CHANGE. I'D RATHER SEE IT APPLIED TO JUST THE BUSINESS PART, OR CHANGE THE BUSINESS PART TO 250 INSTEAD OF 200. WELL, THERE THERE ALSO WITH A HEIGHT LIMITATION THAT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET. SO THIS IS JUST CHANGING THE WAY THAT IT'S MEASURED. WELL, IF I MAY. SO THE LOGOS COUNT AND THE WORDS COUNT.
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YEAH. SO IF THIS WAS TODAY THEY WOULD DRAW A, THEY WOULD DRAW A RECTANGLE AROUND THIS, WHICH WOULD BE COUNTING THESE SPACES AS SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO TAKE THAT OUT.SO YOU JUST MEASURE THE SIGN WHICH WITH THE NEW LIKE IF THAT WAS GOING TO BE TWO FEET MAXIMUM IN THE OLD CODE, IT COULD GO TO TWO SIX, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE MORE AREA YOU CAN APPLY TO IT.
LIKE YOU SAID, THE MAXIMUM AREA, THE AREA LIMITATION STILL APPLIES. THE HEIGHT LIMITATION STILL APPLIES. IT'S JUST CHANGING THE DEAD SPACE. WE DON'T WE DON'T INCLUDE THE DEAD SPACE. THE SIGN WILL NEVER BE LARGER THAN 200FT■!S. THE ACTUAL SIGN. SO THE REASON THIS WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THIS DIRECTION BY OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO MAKE THIS CHANGE, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL VARIANCES THAT HAVE COME TO THEM FOR LARGER SIGNS WHERE THEY'VE ACTUALLY IN THEIR MOTIONS TO APPROVE THEM, HAVE ELIMINATED THE SPACE. THEY'VE REINTERPRETED THE CODE SECTION ON TWO INSTANCES NOW. SO THEY MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION AND. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW WAS INVOLVED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TYPE OF CODE CHANGE. HOW BIG CAN MY BACKGROUND GET? SO MY LETTERS AND MY LOGOS STAY WITHIN THE LIMIT, AND I CAN KEEP BLOWING UP MY BACKGROUND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TEXT OR LOGO. YEAH. TYPICALLY WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE A BACKGROUND PANEL IS INVOLVED. THERE'S NOT MANY OF THEM OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE CENTER WHERE IT'S REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED, HOW WALL SIGNS ARE TYPICALLY BUILT IN THE CITY IS IT IS A IT'S MET THOSE INDIVIDUAL LETTERING UNITS ARE MOUNTED INTO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, JUST LIKE WHAT IS SHOWN HERE ON THIS IMAGE. THERE'S USUALLY NOT A WALL SIZE PANEL. IF THERE ARE WALL SIZE PANELS REQUIRED, THEY'RE USUALLY LIMITED EVEN MORE LIKE IN THE VILLAGE CAN ONLY DO 20 FOOT OR 20 SQUARE FOOT WALL SIGNS AND THE THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT WALL RUN. MY QUESTION TO MAKE SURE IT GOT ANSWERED. IS THERE ANY LIMIT TO HOW BIG MY BACKGROUND COULD BE, AS LONG AS MY TEXT FITS THE TEXT LIMIT? YES, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE CITY. IF YOU'RE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, THE WALL SIGN BOARDS CAN ONLY BE A CERTAIN SIZE. AND IF I'M NOT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, IS FOR EVERY DISTRICT THAT WE'VE GOT. IF WE STOP SOME OF THEM SAYING, I'M GOING TO PAINT MY ENTIRE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, MY PARTICULAR I CAN'T SEE THE NAME OF THE FOLKS WHO COLOR PANTONE COLOR THIS BLUE, LUCENT RED. AND I HAVE A LITTLE LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES LOGO THAT FITS, BUT I DID THE WHOLE BACKGROUND IN MY COLOR OF RED, WHICH IS ONE STEP SHORT OF SCARLET. YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WE WOULD THAT WE WOULD APPLY CONTEXT AND COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, WOULD NOT LET SOMEONE DO THAT NOW. BUT I MEAN, TECHNICALLY YOU COULD TODAY AS CODE EXISTS, PAINT AN ENTIRE BUILDING RED, CALL IT A SIGN PANEL. WE WOULDN'T LET IT HAPPEN. THERE'S SECTIONS OF CODE THAT WE WOULD RELY ON. SO THERE'S HEIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S HEIGHT LIMITATIONS IN THE CODE, CORRECT? YES. WOULD NOT CHANGE. CORRECT. THEY ARE NOT CHANGING. SO THAT SIGN IF IT WAS TODAY WAS 250FT. SQUARE FEET. AND YOU REMEASURED IT WITH THIS AND IT ENDED UP BEING 200. YEAH, IT COULD BE LESS THAN THAT. BUT YEAH, THEY WOULD STILL I THINK WELL FOR LIKE IT COULD NEVER CHANGE. LIKE IF IT WAS IF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS TWO FEET IT WOULD ALWAYS BE TWO FEET.
CORRECT. YEAH. AND I THINK FOR COMMERCIAL WALL SIGNS IT'S 36IN. SO YEAH THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THAT. THEY COULDN'T MAKE, YOU KNOW A HUGE SIGN. AND YEAH. SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE OTHER REGULATIONS. IT'S SIMPLY JUST CHANGING HOW WE'RE MEASURING IT. AND THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR SOME OF THOSE VARIANCES IS THEY SAY, HEY, YOUR CODE SAYS I CAN DO LET'S JUST MAKE UP NUMBER SIX FEET TALL. BUT WHEN I HAVE TO DRAW THIS IMAGINARY BOX AROUND IT, I'M MEETING ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. BUT BECAUSE THERE'S THIS DEAD SPACE AROUND THIS, THIS BOX AROUND THIS LOGO HERE THAT'S PUTTING ME INTO A VARIANCE. AND THROUGHOUT THE VARIANCES THAT WE WORK THROUGH, MOST OF THESE VARIANCES GO TO THE BCA, NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THESE THESE CHANGES THAT HAVE RESULTED IN THIS, THIS THIS AMENDMENT. YEAH. WE JUST HAD THAT SITUATION IN JUNE WHERE THEY WERE UNDER 200 BY MEASURING THIS WAY, BUT OVER 200 BY PUTTING AN IMAGINARY BOX BECAUSE THEY HAD A D AND A G.
IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH THE BCA WITH THIS CHANGE. I MEAN, WE SAW A COUPLE COME THROUGH THAT.
I MEAN, THESE ARE HUGE BUILDINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THE SIGNS AREN'T THAT BIG. BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE SQUARE, IT REALLY PUTS A LIMITATION ON SOME OF THOSE BIGGER, BIGGER COMPANIES TO PROPERLY ADVERTISE ON THAT BUILDING. SO I WAS IN FAVOR OF THIS. YEAH. I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT THE BUSINESS PART THAN I AM ABOUT DOWNTOWN, VILLAGE, DOWNTOWN OR WHATEVER. RIGHT? YEAH. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT, NOT THE RESTRICTION, NOT CHANGING, I'M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT. YEAH. AND I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A MASTER SIGN PLAN COMING FROM THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO THAT'S OR SURROUNDING AREA. YEAH, THAT'S KICKING OFF RIGHT
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NOW. SO ALL RIGHT FOR THE QUESTIONS. YEAH. JUST REAL QUICK. SO DID YOU GUYS BRAINSTORM LIKE THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF THIS IF WE IF WE RECOMMEND THIS YOU KNOW THE WORDS. BECAUSE JUST SITTING HERE TONIGHT I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THINK THROUGH OKAY. HOW CAN SOMEBODY PLAY WITH THIS AND REALLY DO SOMETHING THAT WE WANT. BUT THEY CAN DO IT. BUT I APPRECIATE HANS POSITION AS OUR REP ON BCA SAYING THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL TO US. SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO WANT TO HELP THEM OUT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE UNFORESEEABLE CONSEQUENCES ARE REALLY HARD TO SORT OF IMAGINE. BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING A LITTLE BIT IS THE WORST. IT COULD BE, THE WORST IT COULD BE, AND ALL THAT BAD, I GUESS. YEAH, YEAH, I'LL GIVE A SHOUT OUT. SHE WORKSHOPPED WITH THE BCA OVER THE PAST SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, MULTIPLE CHANGES TO CODE, AND WE TRIED JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER WAY. WE LOOKED AT SETBACKS. WE LOOKED AT INCREASING THE MAXIMUM SIZE THAT WAS ALLOWED. IT REALLY DIDN'T WORK WITHOUT HAVING A LOT OF NEGATIVE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES. THERE'S OTHER ROUTES, AND WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE SOLUTION VERSUS ONE OF THE OTHERS. AND IT'S KIND OF, AS I THINK ABOUT IT FOR ANOTHER 30S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THIS TYPE OF SCENARIO, THE, THE ONES THAT ARE TO 50 AND HAVE TO BE 200, OR THE ONES THAT ARE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER. YES. WELL TALKING A LITTLE OUT A LITTLE BIT OUT LOUD HERE. YEAH. AND I'LL SAY AT LEAST IN THE BUSINESS IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THEM ALREADY ARE A RECTANGLE. BUT YEAH, WE DID HAVE THE SITUATION WITH EDGE THAT HAD A CAPITAL E AND G. SO THEM HAVING TO BUILD THAT INVISIBLE RECTANGLE REALLY HAD A LOT OF BLANK SPACE. INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND THE D AND THE G, OKAY. I MEAN, WE HAD SOME REQUESTS COME THROUGH THAT WANTED LIKE 500, 500 RIGHT. OH YEAH, 522 SQUARE FOOT SIZE. THIS ALLOWED US TO DO SOME NEGOTIATIONS, IF YOU WILL, TO STILL GET PROPER SIGNAGE THAT LOOK GOOD FROM THE STREET WITHOUT LIKE JUST GIVING THEM WHATEVER THEY WANTED. OKAY. AND I'LL SAY IN THAT INSTANCE THEY WERE RECTANGLE SIGN. SO THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HELPED THEM ANYWAYS. BUT YEAH, YEAH, IT'S THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION THAT STAYED IN PLACE THAT MAKES YES, THAT STAYS IN PLACE. OTHERWISE I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE. YEAH THAT'S FINE. WHICH WHICH TAKES ME TO I THINK ONE OF THE LAST QUESTIONS OF THE NIGHT, DOES ANYBODY WHO VOTED YES ON THAT WANT TO RECONSIDERATION OF THE MOTION SO WE COULD PICK APART PART FOR. NO NO NO. RIGHT. WELL MEMBERS FOR COMMENTS SARAH NUNN HAS NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY DAVE. NOTHING. NO. NONE FOR M* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.