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MEETING FOR NEW ALBANY FOR OCTOBER 13TH, 2025. CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MR. HENSON? MR. ITEM, MR. BROWN HERE, MR. DAVIS HERE, MR. STRONG HERE, MISS MOORE HERE, MR. MALLETT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HERE. FIVE VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE
[III. Action on minutes: September 8, 2025]
ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING? DO I HAVE A WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES FROM MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2025. I'LL SECOND. MR. STROLLER. YES, MISS MOORE? YES, MR. BROWN? YES. MR. DAVIS. YES, MR. MULLINS. YES, YES. HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? NONE FROM STAFF. OKAY. WHY DON'T WE SWEAR IN THOSE WHO PLAN ON SPEAKING TONIGHT? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TONIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT THAT PLANS ON SPEAKING ON ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY, WHY DON'T WE MOVE[VI. Cases]
TO THE FIRST OF OUR CASES TONIGHT? RB 66 DASH 25 2025. SURE, YES. IF THE BOARD DOES NOT MIND, I WILL DO A LITTLE BIT OF A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO THE LARGER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE CIVIC BLOCK, AND THEN PASS IT OFF TO JAY HENDERSON TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDITION, AND THEN KELLY BLACKBURN TO TALK ABOUT THE TWO CASES RELATED TO THE PAVILION. SO WHAT'S SHOWN UP HERE ON YOUR SCREEN IS THE THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CIVIC BLOCK THAT I JUST MENTIONED. SO TO HELP ORIENT FOLKS, THIS IS THE VILLAGE HALL BUILDING THAT WE'RE ALL CURRENTLY SITTING IN. THIS WING RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING.THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT EXIST ALONG DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD OR GRANVILLE STREET. HERE ARE THE OLD BP GAS STATION HERE AT THIS CORNER, AND THEN THE OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING HERE AT THE FAR EASTERN CORNER AT THE DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD INTERSECTION WITH HIGH STREET. HERE, THE OLD MILL BUILDING IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY RIGHT HERE ON THE SITE THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED LATER THIS YEAR. THAT DEMOLITION WAS APPROVED BY THE ARB BACK IN 2022. THE DEMOLITION FOR THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES WILL ALSO HAPPEN LATER THIS YEAR INTO NEXT YEAR, AND THOSE DEMOLITION APPLICATIONS ARE OVER THE AIR IN 2024 AND 2022. THERE WAS ALSO DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING PARKING BUILDINGS, PARKING BAYS HERE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SITE. THOSE BUILDINGS WILL IN FACT REMAIN ON THE SITE. THEY WILL NOT BE DEMOLISHED JUST TO GIVE THE BOARD AN UPDATE. SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL HAPPEN WITHIN THIS BLOCK INTERIOR TO THE SITE ARE. NEW PARK PUBLIC PARKING LOT HERE BETWEEN VILLAGE HALL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING. REALLY CONNECTING TO THESE SITES. YOU'VE ALL BEEN PARKING BACK HERE A LONG TIME. AS YOU KNOW, THESE TWO PARKING LOTS ARE REALLY ARE THESE TWO SITES REALLY ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER? THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL CREATE MORE OF A COHESIVE CIVIC BLOCK HERE ON THIS CORNER OR THIS SECTION OF VILLAGE HALL ROAD. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A NEW THE THE MORE EXCITING PART ABOUT IT FOR ME, FOR SELFISHLY, IS THE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED HERE IN THE CENTER OF OF THE OF THE PROJECT OR THIS BLOCK HERE. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT PROBABLY LONGER THAN THAN THE AMOUNT OF TIME I'VE SPENT HERE. BUT ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE STARTED WORKING ON WHEN I STARTED HERE AT THE CITY WAS THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK. SO IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THIS COME TO LIFE. AND THEN AGAIN, THIS PAVILION HERE WILL BE DEVELOPED AT THE CORNER OF DUBLIN, GRANVILLE AND MAIN STREET. BEFORE I PASS IT OFF TO JAY TO TALK ABOUT OUR FIRST CASE, WHICH IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING ADDITION, I WILL JUST MAKE NOTE OF A FEW FOLKS HERE ON THE CONSULTANT SIDE SO WELL. FIRST, ADRIAN JOLLY, THE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OF OUR ARCHITECTURE TEAM HERE WITH US, BOTH FOR THE PAVILION SIDE OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE CHIEF JONES AND WARREN KING HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE THE BUILDING ADDITION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK IT OVER TO JAY TO GET US STARTED. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING POLICE STATION AT 50 WEST VILLAGE HALL ROAD. SO THE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED AT THE CORNER OF VILLAGE
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HALL ROAD ROAD IN SOUTH HIGH STREET. AND SO AS CHRIS MENTIONED EARLIER, HERE'S THE OVERALL SITE PLAN ALONG WITH THE ROSE RUN. TWO IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING THE POLICE, POLICE STATION ADDITIONS, PARKING AND LANDSCAPING ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED AT A HOLISTIC LEVEL WITH THE BLOCK IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE AS WELL, ADDITIONALLY, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED SOME MINOR CHANGES TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TALK TO THAT TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THAT. SO HERE ARE THE BUILDING ADDITIONS HIGHLIGHTED. SO YOU HAVE THE WEST WING ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE. AND THEN THE NORTH WING HERE JUST HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE WHAT THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THE YELLOW. SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. SO THE TOP ELEVATION IS THE NORTH ELEVATION. LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE TWO ADDITIONS IN THE RED BOXES FOR YOU GUYS.SO SOME PROPOSED MATERIALS INCLUDE THE CUPOLA WITH CLEAR WINDOWS AT THE TOP HERE ALONG WITH SOME COMPOSITE SIDING THROUGHOUT. THE ADDITION, AND BRICK BASED WATER TABLE TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE CROWN MATCHING THE EXISTING BUILDING AS WELL. HERE ARE THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS, AGAIN HIGHLIGHTING IN THE RED BOXES THE ADDITIONS THAT THAT WILL BE HAD FOR THE PROPOSED POLICE STATION. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT THE CITY ARCHITECT DID COMMEND THE APPLICANT ON THE PROPOSAL. WITH THE PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE SCALE AND HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS AS RECOMMENDED IN THE DGS WITH THIS ADDITION. AND SO THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND ARCHITECTURE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS STATED THAT THE DESIGN IS APPROPRIATE CONCERNING MASSING AND SCALE AND PRESENTS HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS, AND THE CIVIC IMPROVEMENTS EFFECTIVELY ENHANCE AND ENGAGE THE BLOCK FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND NOW WE'LL PASS IT OFF TO SHARON WITH HORN AND KING FOR THE CHANGES TO THE BUILDING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY, AND SORRY THAT WE HAD LAST MINUTE CHANGES THAT JUST CAME IN TODAY. SO WE JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE TO GIVE YOU JUST A REASON WHY WE MADE THOSE CHANGES AFTER WE HAD ALREADY SUBMITTED IS BECAUSE WE GOT MORE COMMENTS BACK FROM DIRECTLY, AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SOME SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT. SO AND THIS THE TOP ONE IS WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN. THE BOTTOM IS WHAT WE CHANGED JUST TODAY. AND I WILL DO A ZOOM IN ON THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE TO IT.
THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY SEEN OR I'M SORRY THE LEFT IS PREVIOUS. THE RIGHT IS THE NEW. THEY WANTED A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PILASTER PROFILE, WHERE THEY PICKED A SPECIFIC ONE FROM A CATALOG THAT WE CAN ORDER, WHICH WILL BE NICE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY ON THE BUILDING. NICE TO HAVE THEM BE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME, WITH A SLIGHTLY MORE ROUNDED CAPITAL, AND THE CAPITAL DOESN'T STICK OUT QUITE AS FAR.
AND THEY WANTED THAT PROPORTION OF THOSE PILASTERS. THE WINDOW ALSO HAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TRIM. THE TOP TRIM IS STRETCHED OUT TALLER, AND THEN HAS A SMALLER CROWN THAT WRAPS AROUND THE TOP OF THE TRIM ABOVE EACH WINDOW, AND THAT'S GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ENTABLATURE.
AND THEN THE CUPOLA ITSELF HAS CHANGED. THEY REQUESTED A TALLER WINDOW WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AT BOTH THE BASE OF THE CUPOLA AND A DOUBLE CROWN AT THE TOP OF THE CUPOLA, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN OUR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, YOU CAN SEE THE PILASTERS, THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE CUPOLA CHANGING ON THESE. AND THEN WE'RE JUST SHOWING IT IN THE DIFFERENT VIEWS. SO AGAIN THE TOP IS WHAT YOU HAD SEEN IN YOUR PACKET. THE BOTTOM IS THE NEW. AND THEN THOSE CUPOLAS IN THE TRIM, THAT WHOLE CORNER SIDE BY SIDE SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
THANK YOU. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH SHARON OKAY I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS I DO I'M VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD THINKS ON THE CUPOLA, THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS VERSUS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. I KNOW WHAT THE CITY ARCHITECT SAID, BUT THIS IS QUITE A INTERESTING
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LOOK. ESPECIALLY FOR THE FOR LOOKING AT THE STREET PROFILE OR STREETSCAPE. NOT A NOT A BACK, NOT A REAR ADDITION. I DO HAVE A FEW CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST MADE TO MAYBE THE IF WE CAN PULL UP A SITE PLAN OR EVEN A GRAPHICAL SITE PLAN, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO START THERE. THAT SHOULD BE FINE. THANK YOU. I WANT TO CONFIRM. SO THERE ARE SOME OVERHEAD DOORS LOCATED HERE. I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF DETAIL AROUND THE CRUISER PARKING HERE, SO COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY IF THIS IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SCREENING FOR THE OVERHEAD DOORS? HOW ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND THAT? I DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW CURRENTLY SCREEN THOSE TWO FREESTANDING. SO YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THAT? NO CHANGES TO THOSE. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO BE, I BELIEVE, ADRIAN, THAT THERE WILL BE SOME FENCING AND NEW TREES ALONG THE PERIMETER OVER HERE. OKAY. I JUST KNOW WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROBABLY IN DETAIL.AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. SO APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS COULD YOU MAYBE SHARE WITH THE BOARD THE DECISION AROUND THE MATERIALITY OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE WEST? HERE? I BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I WILL SAY THAT I DO AGREE THAT THE PILASTER REVISION IS A POSITIVE ONE. THOSE CAN TEND TO PROJECT A LITTLE STRONGLY AT THE CORNERS. SO I SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT DROVE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE CUPOLAS, BECAUSE THERE REALLY ARE A STRONG VISUAL FEATURE COMPARED TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN SECONDLY, THE DECISION TO NOT INTRODUCE ANY BRICK ON THE PROPOSED ADDITION. WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT? THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT, QUITE HONESTLY, WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM NACO DIRECTLY. OUR ORIGINAL GUT INSTINCT WAS TO GO WITH BRICK AND HAVE IT MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING. EXACTLY.
WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONS BE SEPARATE, HAVE THEM STAND ALONE. THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT THE ADDITION SHOULD BE AN ADDITION, AND IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THE ADDITION WENT AWAY, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WOULD STAND ON ITS OWN, THAT IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE THAT ADDITION AS BEING PART OF IT. THEY ASKED FOR DIFFERENT MATERIALS TO BE ON THAT. THEY WERE FINE WITH THE BRICK BASE MATCHING. THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE BRICK BEING ABLE TO BE MATCHED. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A QUESTION. THIS WONDERFUL BRICK DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE AMONG MANY. WE HAVE SOMEONE WORKING ON THAT, BUT IT'S NOT MADE ANYMORE. BUT WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET THE BASE AND THE WATER TABLE TO MATCH, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T EXIST. THANK YOU. AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER SITE PLANNING QUESTION THAT KIND OF RELATES TO THAT DECISION ABOUT MAKING THIS ADDITION VISUALLY DISTINCTIVE FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING. I WAS STARTING TO LOOK AT THIS. EXCUSE ME, THE FLOOR PLAN. WHAT KIND OF CONNECTIVITY WILL EXIST BETWEEN THIS DRIVE AND THIS ADDITION? IT THE REASON I ASK, AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO FLIP IN MY PACKET HERE WHILE WE'RE TALKING. EXCUSE ME TO BETTER FRAME MY QUESTION WHEN I LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN, I DON'T SEE ANY ENTRY THERE. AND YET THE CHANGE IN MATERIALITY SORT OF SCREAMS THAT THIS IS A PLACE YOU SHOULD GO TO, BECAUSE IT IS SORT OF THE IT'S NOT REALLY A PORTE COCHERE, BUT IT IS DISTINCTIVE FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING. SO NATURALLY YOU WANT TO GO THERE WHEN YOU SEE IT. YOU KNOW, IF I'M LOOKING FOR A FRONT OF THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DRIVEWAY IS BEING RECONFIGURED, IT SORT OF SUGGESTS THAT THERE WOULD BE SORT OF A PULL UP OR DROP OFF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT CLEARLY, AT LEAST IF I'M READING THE PLANS CORRECTLY, IS NOT THE INTENTION. CAN YOU, CAN YOU? I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE NO ENTRIES ON THE WEST ADDITION AND DOES THAT. AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DOES THAT CREATE OPERATIONAL CONFUSION IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE PROMOTED THE CONNECTING PARKING AREA? IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A THIN STRIP OF GRASS ON THE SITE PLAN. HOW'S THAT GOING TO BE TREATED
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IN A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT? SO KIND OF A TWO PART QUESTION. I COULD GO FIRST. JUST PROBLEMATIC PROGRAMMATICALLY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE DON'T WANT ANY ENTRANCES ON THAT SIDE. WE WANT BASICALLY THE THREE WAYS THAT ARE INTO THE BUILDING. THE MAIN FRONT ENTRANCE IS WHERE ANY PUBLIC SHOULD BE ENTERING THE BUILDING. NO ONE SHOULD BE COMING IN ANY OTHER DOOR. WE DO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES ON THE NORTH SIDE. WE PURPOSELY DON'T HAVE A DOOR ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEY HAVE ONE NOW. IT'S SORT OF EVEN TUCKED AROUND THE CORNER, AND THEY ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TO THAT DOOR, EVEN WITH BUSHES THERE AND SIGNS THAT SAY DON'T COME HERE, THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO COME TO THAT DOOR. SO WE PURPOSELY DO NOT HAVE A DOOR ON THAT SIDE. AS FOR THE PARKING AND CONFUSING PEOPLE, I DON'T. WE GOT SOMEONE ELSE CAN ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. AND MAYBE ANDREA, COULD YOU ONE MORE TIME? JAY, WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE OVERALL SITE PLAN? REALLY ANY. YEAH, ANY OVERALL PLAN WOULD. AND THEN COULD YOU JUST RESTATE THE, THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT? I GUESS ULTIMATELY IT'S A LANDSCAPING QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A WELL-TRAVELED ROUTE, PRESUMABLY IN AND OUT OUT AND IN I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTIONAL ENTRANCES AND EXITS OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE TWO WAY HERE AND HERE. ARE THEY TWO WAY, I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE TWO WAY, BOTH IN THE DRIVE ISLES. THE THAT INSIDE THE SITE ARE PARALLEL TO THE ROAD, AS WELL AS THE ONES THAT COME INTO THE SITE. SO MY QUESTION IS THIS. CURRENTLY THERE'S A PARKING AREA TO THE SIDE WHERE THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS GOING. AND AS A VISITOR, TO PICK UP PACKETS ONLY FOR ANY OTHER REASON, I WOULD SAY THAT WE ALL KIND OF LEARN TO SORT OF WALK AROUND TO THE FRONT. SO WHAT IS THE WAYFINDING STRATEGY? IT'S NOT THIS IS NOT I'LL JUST KIND OF PREEMPT MYSELF. THIS IS NOT LIKE A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME. BUT I'M CURIOUS WHAT IS THE PATH OF TRAVEL THAT FOLKS PARKING HERE THAT ARE VISITING THE POLICE STATION, EITHER IN AN EMERGENCY OR JUST FOR BUSINESS TO GET CLEARLY TO THE FRONT DOOR? IS THIS JUST GOING TO BE LANDSCAPED RIGHT HERE? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS NO SIDEWALK THERE. ALONG THE PROPOSED ADDITION, THERE'S ALSO A PULL OUT. LIKE LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PULL IN AND DROP SOMEONE OFF THERE, BUT THERE'S NO YEAH, THERE'S A PEEL OFF. I JUST I JUST COULDN'T TELL WHAT THE INTENTION WAS. AND I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT IF THAT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE AN ENTRANCE, WHICH CLEARLY BASED ON THE ELEVATION, IT'S NOT, AND THERE'S A PULL OFF AT THE TERMINUS OF THE PARKING, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD HELP PEOPLE GET TO THE FRONT DOOR AS BEST AS WE CAN VISUALLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A ARCHITECTURALLY DISTINCT ADDITION, SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.IT IS GOING TO VISUALLY DRAW PEOPLE. IT'S FACING THE SIDE. IT'S FACING THE PARKING AREA.
I'M JUST TRYING TO ALLEVIATE A WAYFINDING, YOU KNOW, CONCERN. AND YOU BROUGHT IT UP. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE NOT ALWAYS SURE WHICH POINT OF ENTRY THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD FOLLOW IN IN THE FACILITY. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A LANDSCAPING AND DRIVEWAY QUESTION ON THAT.
CAN I JUST TIE INTO ONE OTHER QUESTION? SO RIGHT NOW WITH THE TWO DISTINCT PARKING LOTS, YOU REALLY CREATE A SENSE OF PRIVACY FOR THIS AREA BACK HERE. NOW SUDDENLY IT'S ALL PART OF ONE BIG AREA WHICH ALSO INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARKING. IS THAT OKAY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? LIKE WHAT'S GOING TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM CUTTING THROUGH THERE? I THINK WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THAT IS THAT THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT MATERIALS. ACROSS HERE, AND SOME SIGNAGE THAT WILL HELP KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO THAT BACK. MORE PUBLIC AREA THAT WILL BE FOR CRUISERS AND STAFF PARKING ONLY. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A NEW FENCE AND SIGNAGE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT THAT WILL ALSO TELL PEOPLE NOT TO COME IN THERE. THERE'S NO PLAN TO DO ANY SORT OF GATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE ARE HOPING THAT ONCE PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY ARE PARKING IN THAT COMMON AREA, THAT THEY WILL SEE THAT THE SIDEWALK LEADS TO THAT MAIN FRONT DOOR. EXCUSE ME, WILL THE PARKING STILL BE IN FRONT OF THE ENTRY ON THE SIDE ROAD WHERE YOU PARALLEL PARK? IS THERE GOING TO STILL BE ON VILLAGE CORRECT? YES. THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU GUYS HAVE HONED IN ON PROBABLY SIX MONTHS WORTH OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PARKING LOT, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, COMPLEX THINGS THAT GO ON WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A VILLAGE HALL AND A POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO YOU GUYS REALLY THAT EASTERN DRIVE HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF MANY, MANY MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS, PRESENTATIONS TO COUNCIL ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS PARKING LOT AND THE LAYOUT OF IT. SO WHAT
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ISN'T NECESSARILY DEPICTED ON THIS PLAN, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LIKE A FINE DETAIL THAT ENTIRE BACK, I'LL CALL IT BAY OF PARKING WILL BE RESTRICTED TO POLICE AND CITY HALL STAFF, AND THAT WILL BE SIGNED ON. BOTH OF THOSE NORTH SOUTH DRIVES. WE DECIDED NOT TO WE DECIDED TO TO DESIGN IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES PEOPLE NOT WANT TO GO THERE, INSTEAD OF TO GATE IT OR DO SOMETHING THAT REALLY FEELS, BECAUSE THIS IS A PARK, AND WE DO WANT TO BALANCE ACCESS TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AND THE PARK. AND SO A COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, VERY ELEGANT VILLAGE CENTER SCALED SIGNAGE WILL BE THERE IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE NOT TO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT FOR PUBLIC. AND THAT ALSO WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE THAT THAT CORNER INTO THE LOT AND THEN INTO THE BACK OF THE POLICE STATION IS PRETTY TRICKY. SO WE'VE DONE LOTS OF TURNING RADIUS EXHIBITS WITH A LOT TO SIZE TRUCKS. YOU'D BE SURPRISED THE THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRUCKS THAT GO IN AND OUT OF THAT BUILDING. WE'VE ALSO KIND OF DELVED INTO THE SMALLEST DETAIL OF A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO LIKE BUY, SELL, TRADE, FACEBOOK EXCHANGES. IF YOU WANT A PUBLIC PLACE TO DO THAT, EVEN, YOU KNOW, CUSTODY, CUSTODY ARRANGEMENTS, SOMETIMES YOU WILL HAVE TO PEOPLE WILL DO THAT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PARKING LOT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. SO THE THE POOL IN THERE, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S NO WALK THERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO USE IT. IT WILL BE SIGNED IT IT ESSENTIALLY WILL BE MAINLY OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS IN THAT BUILDING A LOT TO SERVICE THE BUILDING. CARPET CLEANERS ARE IN THERE. SO IT WILL BE FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC VENDORS TO PULL UP THERE AND THEN EITHER GO TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT WAS, OR IF IT'S LIKE A SITUATION WHERE A CITY STAFF MEMBER IS MEETING THEM TO TAKE THEM IN THE BACK, TO DO SOME WORK WITHIN THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT EASY PULL OFF ACCESS FOR THOSE TYPE OF USES, BUT DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S NOT GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO BE THERE. OBVIOUSLY, IT NEEDS TO BE SIGNED. HOPEFULLY OVER TIME BEHAVIORS, PEOPLE WILL CATCH ON TO THAT AND NOT PARK IN THOSE LOCATIONS. AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DO MATERIAL CHANGES AND EVEN JUST THE RADIUS AND THOSE CURVES THERE TO MAKE IT SO IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO BE THERE. AND THEY KNOW LIKE, THIS IS THIS IS THE SECURE POLICE SIDE OF THE BUILDING OF THE OF THE, OF THE PARK FACILITY. AND THAT IS NOT WHERE THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE. CAN I ASK ONE MORE? FOLLOW ON TO THAT. SO IF I'M PARKING IN THIS VICINITY OR EVEN THE SECOND DAY BACK, WHAT IS MY PATH OF TRAVEL TO GET TO THE FRONT DOOR EASILY AND QUICKLY I GUESS IF NEED BE. BUT AM I COMING DOWN THE CENTER AISLE ENTERING A SIDEWALK HERE, CROSSING HERE AND COMING OVER? IS THAT IS THAT THE CLEANEST PATH TO GET TO THE FRONT DOOR? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? NO, YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. I MEAN, I THAT TECHNICALLY IS WHERE YOU'LL HAVE THE WALKS AND THE RAMPS AND, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE. YOU KNOW, HUMAN BEHAVIOR. I THINK PEOPLE TAKE THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE FROM THEIR CAR, PROBABLY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, BUT THEY WILL BE DIRECTED LIKE THEY ARE NOW TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S ALSO A PARKING LOT, I BELIEVE, DOWN THIS SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, SO YOU COULD COME ACROSS AND DOWN AND CROSS. OH A WALKWAY. YEP. YEAH. SO YOU COULD DO THAT. WALK DOWN THE BAY AND THEN TO THAT WALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DRIVE. IT LOOKS LIKE ON SCHEMATIC A 105, THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THAT PULL IN PULL OFF THERE BY THE. I'M JUST FLIPPING FOR NO REASON.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? THE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON 105. LIKE RIGHT HERE CONNECTS FROM HERE. SO IF SOMEONE WAS TO PULL IN THERE, IS THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON? I THINK THAT IS HOW IT'S SHOWN IN THAT PACKET, THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK JUST FROM THAT DROP OFF TO THE SOUTH, BUT NOT CONNECTING AROUND TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S STILL IN, I THINK, DISCUSSION WITH THE PARK PLAN OF WHETHER THAT'S OFFICIALLY STAYING OR NOT. AND DID YOU SAY THAT THIS PARKING BACK HERE IS FOR STAFF ONLY? IT WILL BE. SO WHAT'S THE THINKING ON HAVING THE PARKING THE FURTHEST FROM THE PARK, THE
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VETERANS PARK? IT'S. YEAH, IT IT'S NOT IDEAL. THERE WAS NOT A BETTER WAY TO RESERVE SPACES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE SOME CONSIDERATIONS IN TERMS OF THEIR STAFF WHERE THEY NEED TO PARK AND HOW TO SECURE THAT. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOKED AT RESTRICTING, LIKE IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT RESTRICTING THE EAST SIDE THEN OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER PORTION OF THE LOT THAT WASN'T KIND OF A NORTH OR EAST WEST BAY, THEN YOU HAVE ACCESS ISSUES FOR OTHER USERS TO GET ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. AND SO IT'S KIND OF A COMPROMISE POSITION IS TO CREATE THAT BAY FOR CITY STAFF PARKING. YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THREE SHIFTS. THEY HAVE PEOPLE PARKING THERE DIFFERENT TIMES OF NIGHT. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS THAT THEY DON'T WANT THEIR PARKING INTERMINGLED WITH JUST, YOU KNOW, REGULAR PUBLIC PARKING. AND SO THAT LOCATION IS THE BEST WAY TO SECURE THAT IN PROXIMITY TO THERE KIND OF BACK OF HOUSE. BUT IT'S IT'S A TRICKY SITE. WE'VE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT PARKING ITERATIONS. WE ACTUALLY EVEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AN IDEA OF HAVING A UNDERGROUND PARKING AND A SURFACE LOT THAT OBVIOUSLY IS COST PROHIBITIVE FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE CLEARED UP SOME OF THAT INTERMINGLING CONSIDERATIONS THAT THAT WE'RE HAVING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU DIFFERENT WAYS, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SECURE THE PARKING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE SECURED. AND THEN THAT'S WHY WE MADE THAT CENTER PROMENADE WIDE, BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO BOTH VISUALLY AND PHYSICALLY MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT IS HOW PEOPLE GET INTO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AND PROVIDE THAT ALTERNATIVE, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE IT WITH THE PARKING NEEDS. AND WHERE DOES THE HANDICAP PARKING ENVISIONED IN THIS? SO I DON'T THINK IT IS ON THIS EXHIBIT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT OF IT, BUT THERE'S OH, THERE'S A COUPLE ON THERE. YEAH. SO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT AND. YEAH, RIGHT THERE AND THEN OVER THERE BY VILLAGE HALL. OKAY.ANYBODY ELSE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE BUILDING? I JUST I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS IN THE MATERIALS ARE VERY NICE. I JUST DON'T SEE THE LOGIC IN BEHIND ACCENTING ACCENTING THIS YOU KNOW, ADDITION SO PROMINENTLY COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING. I THINK THE ROOF LINES LOOK TERRIBLE WITH THOSE CUPOLAS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL. IT WAS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT'S GONE INTO IT SO FAR. I WOULD I WOULD AGREE THE FORMS ON THEIR OWN. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE SCALE, THE PROPORTION, THE ARTICULATION, THE DETAILING, THE CHANGE TO THE CUPOLAS. I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IT IS JUST SO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AND CLEARLY THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, WHICH YOU RELAYED. I IF I WERE TO SUGGEST ANY MODIFICATIONS, IT WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE CUPOLAS ALTOGETHER. IT'S IT'S A VERY PROMINENT AND. IT'S A LOUD ADDITION FOR A PROGRAMMATIC USE THAT IS REALLY NOT TRYING TO CALL ATTENTION TO ITSELF. LIKE ENTER HERE, COME HERE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, COME SEE US HERE. IT'S IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE AT THE MCCOY CENTER, WHERE THE THE GALLERY WRAPS THE MAIN BRICK BOX AND SORT OF ENCLOSES IT. AND IT'S CLEARLY SIGNIFIES ENTRY AND AND AND GATHERING SPACE. AND THIS IS SPEAKING THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE AND YET FUNCTIONALLY IT'S SAYING, DON'T COME HERE, DON'T ENTER HERE, DON'T DO THOSE THINGS. GO TO THE FRONT DOOR. AND I, I UNDERSTAND IT, I, I THANK YOU FOR ELABORATING ON WHAT WAS BEHIND THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING. AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE PARKING CHALLENGES. SO I IF I LOOK AT THIS STRICTLY THROUGH THE LENS OF AND I'M GOING TO SOUND LIKE MR. RIGHT WHEN I SAY THIS, IF I LOOK AT THIS STRICTLY THROUGH THE LENS OF, YOU KNOW, DOES IT MEET THE MEASURE OF WHAT WE ARE CHARGED TO DO AS A BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL APPROPRIATENESS AND DETAILING SCALE PROPORTION? I, I DON'T FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT AND WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I'M JUST CANDIDLY AND SCRATCHING MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RATIONALE. SO I I'LL LEAVE IT THERE FOR, FOR MY
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COMMENTS. I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS TRICKY. OH THAT DOES REMIND ME. IS THERE? I'M SORRY. I DON'T MEAN TO GET ALL OVER THE PLACE HERE. WILL THIS BE PUBLIC ACCESS? THIS ENTRY RIGHT HERE.I MEAN, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT. NO ONE'S GOING THAT WAY. BUT WITH THIS PARKING LOT, WILL PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO SHORTCUT THERE? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IS IT GOING TO JUST BE A DO NOT ENTER SIGN OR SIGNAGE DRIVEN? SIGNAGE? THE FENCING I. BASICALLY FENCING OKAY. SIGNAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT A MUSEUM. IT IS A POLICE STATION.
I THINK CONSISTENCY IS CRITICAL. AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS JUST SEEMS TO IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. IT JUST SEEMS TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF WHAT I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD EXPECT.
ARE YOU CONCERNED IT SHOULD BE BOTH A BRICK OR. I THINK I THINK IT OUGHT TO LOOK THE WHOLE. I THINK IT'LL LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE BUILDING. AND I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT MATCHING THAT BRICK. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME EFFORT, BUT I THINK THE ROOFLINE SHOULD LOOK THE SAME, AND I THINK THE BRICK SHOULD BE EXTENDED OVER THAT WAY. BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS OUTSIDE OF US. BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS, I'M THINKING THE REST OF ONCE IT GETS BUILT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SCRATCH THEIR HEADS AND WONDER, WHY DID THEY DO THAT? WELL, LET'S ASK THE THE HARD QUESTION. I'M SURE EVERYONE'S ANXIOUS TO GET UNDERWAY WITH CONSTRUCTION AND START TO BUILD THIS SITE OUT. IS THERE ANY OPENNESS TO PARTIALLY RECONSIDERING ANY MATERIALITY ON THIS, OR ARE WE HERE TO EVALUATE IT ON ITS MERITS WITH KIND OF A STRAIGHT UP, STRAIGHT DOWN KIND OF YES NO TYPE OF CONVERSATION? AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO ASKED THAT QUESTION TOO. SO I'LL JUST MR. CHRISTIAN OVER THERE. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. LET'S MOVE STAFF IN THERE. YEAH, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. BUT CERTAINLY ANYONE ELSE FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN. BUT YES, YOU WERE RIGHT. THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES ARE IMPORTANT TO US. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I SAID THIS AT THE BEGINNING, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT AGAIN SOME OF THAT RATIONALE FOR THE DESIGN APPROACH. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY HERE, TOP DOWN, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT IF YOU WERE TO USE ALL BRICK ON THIS STRUCTURE, IT WOULD LOOK IT COULD LOOK LIKE A LARGE BRICK BLOB TO BE LOOSEY GOOSEY WITH MY WORDS HERE VERSUS YOU KNOW WHAT? RAMZA RAMZA DID REVIEW THIS PROJECT AS PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY ARCHITECT. AGAIN, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THAT ORIGINAL FORM OF THAT THE THE FORM OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, LIKE YOU DO, EVEN ON ADDITIONS ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT POLICE DEPARTMENTS, HOMES, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, YOU PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY AND THE MATERIALITY THAT'S USED ON THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THEN TREAT ANY ADDITIONS AS SUCH, WHICH IS AN ADDITION, WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, RAMZA AND THE CITY ARCHITECT ENCOURAGE THEM TO PIVOT TO THIS, THIS, THIS DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
AND HARDIE BOARD'S BEEN USED SUCCESSFULLY AS THE ARAB NOSE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO THAT AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO I KNOW WE SAID MOST OF THAT ALREADY, BUT JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT RATIONALE FOR YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO THE DRC PROCESS, CANDIDLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT HOW RAMSEY WOULD FEEL ABOUT GOING BACK TO ALBRECHT, TO BE JUST REALLY CANDID WITH YOU GUYS, JUST JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. COULD YOU BRING UP G102? AND I KNOW WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA, SO I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THAT. PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE SCREEN, BUT ARE ANY HIGH LEVEL RENDERING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FROM THIS ON SCREEN? DO WE HAVE ANY I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION, LIKE THE 3D RENDERINGS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT'S OKAY. I SENT YOU HAS 3D RENDERINGS. THOSE ARE FINE. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE STRONG SYMMETRY THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THAT THIS IS, IF IT WERE ALL BRICKED AND MATCHED THE DETAILING EXACT EXACTLY, THAT IT WOULD SORT OF MOVE THE CENTER OF GRAVITY A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT I, I GUESS MY INITIAL OR. EXCUSE ME FINAL COMMENTS WOULD BE THIS IS THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO QUIET THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND WITHOUT REALLY CHANGING THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, I WOULD SAY, FIRST OFF, REGARDING THE BRICK TREATMENT, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO TREAT THE PAVILION MASSING WITH BRICK, BUT KEEP THE HYPHENS AS SIDING SO THAT THERE'S NOT A DIRECT CLASH OF MATERIAL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MATCH THE BRICK. I MEAN, I, I LIVE IT EVERY DAY. I
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UNDERSTAND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION ANYBODY WANTS TO GO. I WOULD AT LEAST EVEN IF IT WEREN'T BINDING, I WOULD JUST STRONGLY QUESTION WHETHER THOSE CUPOLAS BELONG. IT'S IT'S FRANKLY DRIVING BUDGET. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ENHANCING THE ADDITION. I REALLY DON'T JUST THE WAY IN HERE. I WOULD SECOND THAT. I WOULD REMOVE THE CUPOLAS. I WOULD I THINK THEY LOOK BETTER AS SQUARE ELEMENTS. AND WHEN YOU AS SOON AS YOU START TO STRETCH THEM OUT, THEY SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT ABOUT THEM. AND AGAIN TRYING TO BE MORE SUBTLE WITH THE ADDITION, I THINK IT WOULD JUST HELP TO REMOVE THEM. AND THEN YOU HAVE AT LEAST IN THE REAR YOU HAVE TWO THOSE TWO CORNER ELEMENTS AS THE ADDITIONS THAT MATCH EACH OTHER. SO THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. SO I THINK PLAYING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT WOULD WOULD DEFINITELY HELP. YEAH. WE COULD I THINK IF IF THE BOARD FEELS THAT WAY WE COULD MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO ENCOURAGE THOSE THAT THAT ELEMENT TO AGAIN BE TONED DOWN OR REMOVED FROM THE ROOF AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT BACK TO THE DRC AND RAMSAR PROCESS AND SEE SHARE THAT RECOMMENDATION WITH THEM FROM FROM YOUR GUYS'S PERSPECTIVE AND SEE HOW THAT ALL SHAKES OUT. WE COULD WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT IF WE IT WOULD YOU'RE RECOMMENDING WE WOULD APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AND THEN IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. OR DO WE LOOK TO TABLE AND AND REVIEW A REVISED ELEVATION? WE.YEAH EITHER OR. WE COULD ALSO MAKE THAT THAT ROOF ELEMENT COME BACK TO YOU GUYS ONCE THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD. IF WE CAN KIND OF AGREE ON THE MASSING ITSELF AND JUST BRING THAT ISOLATED, THAT THAT ROOF, THAT ROOF TREATMENT FOR FINAL APPROVAL, SIMILAR TO HOW WE HANDLED THIS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SCALE, BUT HOW WE HANDLED THE THE CHANGES TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LAST MONTH, WHAT WERE YOU SUGGESTING ON THE BRICK? I WAS SIMPLY SAYING, IF YOU CAN'T GET A GOOD MATCH ON THE BRICK, YOU CAN USE THE SIDING AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO. SO LIKE IF THIS ELEMENT RIGHT HERE WERE TO BE BUILT OUT OF BRICK, OKAY, THIS WOULD REMAIN REMAIN SIDING, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ADJACENCY OF AN OLD BRICK AND A NEW BRICK, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE BEST. RECOMMENDATION.
ARCHITECTURALLY, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF REVISIT THE THE THE VALUE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF THE CUPOLAS AND SEE IF THERE'S A SLIGHTLY BETTER TREATMENT THERE THAT WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT HAVING THE FENCING THAT'S ON THE MAIN ROOF BE ON THESE TWO PAVILIONS INSTEAD OF A CUPOLA? AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING IT AWAY FROM WHAT IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE. IT IS THE PROMINENT.
THAT IS THE MAIN ENTRY. IT'S LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE ACCENTED, YOU KNOW. YEAH. THE REST OF THE ROOF LINES, I THINK SHOULD BE THE SAME, SHOULD BE LESS PROMINENT AND IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF YOU, WE SHOULD HAVE NACO STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T THINK I DID THINK ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK BRINGING THE CHIPPENDALE RAIL OVER TO THE ADDITION, I THINK LESS IS MORE IN THIS CASE. YES. I AGREE, JUST HAVE THE ROOF BE THE ROOF. IF ANYTHING. CUPOLA ON THE MAIN BUILDING. YEAH. IF THE CUPOLA IS IMPORTANT. YEAH. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER EITHER. BUT TAKE THAT OFF THE RECORD. YEAH, I WOULD HATE TO DELAY, BUT IF WE MADE A MOTION TO TABLE IT, YOU KNOW, OR MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THEM, IF WE REMOVE THEM, THEN IT WOULD MOVE AHEAD. YEAH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D HATE TO HOLD THINGS UP AND JUST DO WHAT CHRIS WAS SUGGESTING. YEAH, JUST DO THE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THAT ISSUE, COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY'D BE REMOVED AND OR OR OTHER. YEAH. SOME OTHER SOLUTION. THE CUPOLAS ARE REMOVED. DO WE NEED TO COME BACK AT ALL. THAT'S THAT WAS I WAS GOING TO SAY IS IF YOU ULTIMATELY CONCUR, NO REASON TO COME BACK. BUT IF YOU ASSUMING WE APPROVE ON THOSE CONDITIONS, BUT IF THERE'S A RECONSIDERATION OF THAT, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO COME BACK AND KIND OF PLEAD THE CASE FOR WHY WE WE HAVE A BEAR, WE HAVE A BARE MINIMUM QUORUM. SO IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T APPROVE, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE'RE COMING BACK ANYWAY. WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE MATERIAL? TWICE. AND YOU BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE MATERIALS. BUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT. I LIKE THE HARDIE BOARD. YEAH, I DO LIKE THE LOOKING DIFFERENT.
IT'S COMMON ENOUGH IN THE AREA THAT IT DOESN'T WORK, BUT IT USUALLY SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE
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USED IN THESE HYPHENS OR, YOU KNOW. JUST HAVE TO GET WRAP MY HANDS AROUND THIS. I THINK I CAN BE ON BOARD WITH THE THE HARDIE. I, I APPRECIATE WRAPPING THE WATER TABLE AROUND, ALTHOUGH IRONICALLY, I'M NOT SURE IT'S CRITICAL EITHER, BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT CRITICAL FOR ME. IF I HAD TO CHOOSE I WOULD GO I THE CUPOLAS ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN THE WATER TABLE, SO I'M NOT GIVEN THE STRONG SYMMETRY OF THE BUILDING. I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A DELIBERATE CHANGE IN MATERIAL. ARCHITECTURAL PURPOSES. I CAN I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. IT'S IT'S IMPERFECT, BUT IT'S ISN'T EVERYTHING. OKAY? SOME OF YOU WANT TO GIVE IT A SHOT FOR A MOTION. CLOSEST TO THIS. I'M MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE.MOVE TO APPROVE WITH WITH OTHER CONDITIONS, OR I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT I'LL DEFER TO THE REST OF THE BOARD. I ATTEMPT THE MOTION AND THEN WE'LL. OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. SO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ARB 66 DASH 2025 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE TWO CUPOLAS ON THE NEW ADDITION BE REMOVED, AND THEN THE ROOF LINES REWORKED TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING. CORRECT? YEAH. THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE. YEAH. WELL, THE COUPONS COME OFF OF THE FLAT DOWN THERE. SO YOU HAVE TO. YES OKAY OKAY. I SECOND THE MOTION. MR. STRAW.
YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MISS MOORE. YES. MR. DAVID. YES. MR. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES. THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE ARB 66 2025. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION, THE TWO CUPOLAS BE REMOVED AND THE ROOF LINES REWORKED TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS ARB DASH 81 DASH 2025 STAFF REPORT. IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ARB 81 AS WELL AS ARB 76, WHICH BOTH HAVE TO DO WITH THE PAVILION AT THE SAME TIME. SURE. YEAH. IT'S A GOOD IDEA. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SITE ALONG EAST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD ON THAT SAME BLOCK AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. SO LOOKING AT THE TYPOLOGY SIDE OF THE APPLICATION, THE PARKS AND PRESERVATION BUILDING TYPOLOGY IS ALREADY CONTEMPLATED IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE, BUT IT'S NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THE HISTORIC CENTER SUBDISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS LOCATED IN. THE REQUEST IS TO ADD THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY TO THE URBAN CENTER CODE FOR ROWS ONE TWO, PERMITTING. THIS BUILDING TYPOLOGY WILL ALLOW A PUBLIC PAVILION TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE AS AS PART OF THE LARGER IMPROVEMENT PLANNED IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, AS SEEN HERE IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES. SETBACKS, PARKING AND LANDSCAPING ARE ALL CONTEMPLATED WITHIN THE TYPOLOGY. LOOKING HERE, THESE ARE JUST THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THEN THE PROPOSED ARE WHAT THE PAVILION ARE SET AT RIGHT NOW AND ALL MEET CODE. THERE ARE REGULATIONS FOR PARKING WHICH WE SAID PARKING AND LANDSCAPING WHICH WILL BE SEEN AT A HOLISTIC VIEW. BUT IT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE PARKING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, AS WELL AS BIKE PARKING ON THE SITE. AND THERE WILL BE AT LEAST SIX DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR BICYCLE PARKING. AND THAT ALL OBVIOUSLY DOES MEET THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS SEEN HERE. SO THE PAVILION IS LOCATED AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING LOT, DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD, INTEGRATED INTO THE SURROUNDING CIVIC BLOCK BY PEDESTRIAN TRAILS AS SEEN HERE. THESE TRAILS PROVIDE DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE SHARED PARKING LOT, AND THE DESIGN ENHANCES THE WALKABILITY AND FLOW ACROSS THE VILLAGE CENTER. ONLY BUILDING LIKE IT WILL BE THE ONLY BUILDING LIKE STRUCTURE IN THE PARK ITSELF, AND WILL ACT AS A VISUAL ANCHOR AND WAYFINDING POINT INTO THE SPACE. THE PROPOSED PAVILION WILL BE MADE OF METAL WITH A LOW PROFILE ROOF AS SEEN HERE. IT FEATURES MINIMAL STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS AND DARK TONES MATCHING EXISTING MATERIALS IN THE PARK, AND THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS STATED THAT IT'S DESIGNED IS TO FEEL QUIET IN THE LANDSCAPE AND BLEND IN NATURALLY. THE FUNCTION. THIS FUNCTIONS MORE AS A STRUCTURE THAN A TRADITIONAL BUILDING. IT ALIGNS WITH THE FORM BASED APPROACH OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE. THE PAVILION IS HOUSING RESTROOMS AND UTILITY STORAGE, WHICH CONSOLIDATES THE FUNCTION INTO ONE STRUCTURE AND PRESERVING THE OPEN SPACE IN THE PARK. AND THE NEED FOR RESTROOMS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE
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PULLED FROM COMMENTS FOR ROSE RUN PARK, THE ONE THAT'S EXISTING ALREADY. THE PROPOSED PAVILION ALIGNS WITH NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN AND DESIGN GUIDELINES, MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT USES HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS CONNECTING CONNECTING KEY AREAS LIKE MARKET SQUARE, ROSE RUN PARK AND THE HISTORIC VILLAGE CENTER, AND SUPPORTS GOALS OF PRESERVING NATURAL RESOURCES. AND THE PROJECT ALSO ENCOURAGES COMMUNITY INTERACTION WITH NATURE AND SHARED PARKING WITH NEARBY CIVIC BUILDINGS. AND I'M HERE AS WELL AS ADRIAN, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL JUST SAY HI. I THINK I KNOW MOST OF YOU, BUT I'M ADRIAN JOLLY. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. I'M THE LEAD FOR THE CITY ON THIS PROJECT. AND WE DO HAVE DAN HEINZ AND HEINZ FROM COLUMBUS ARCHITECTURAL STUDIOS. THEY'RE THE CITY'S ARCHITECT ON THE PARK PROJECT AND SPECIFICALLY ON THE PAVILION. SO I'M HAPPY I'VE WORKED. AS YOU CAN KNOW, I'VE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME, SO I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS YOU WANT, BUT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR SURE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MATERIALS YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING IN THE PAVILION? YEAH. I'LL LET DAN TALK TO TO SPECIFICS, BUT I WILL SAY WE WE LOOKED THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY THIS WASN'T GOING TO BE PART OF THE PARK. AND THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY DECIDED WHEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ABOUT A YEAR AGO TO DEDICATE THE LAND NORTH OF THE CREEK TO THE CITY. AND AS THESE THINGS GO, THEY THEY TAKE A LOT OF TIME, BUT THEY ALMOST ALWAYS END UP WITH A BETTER FINAL OUTCOME THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD IN THE BEGINNING. AND SO WHEN WE WERE ABLE, THE CITY WAS ABLE TO GET THE LAND NORTH OF THE CREEK TO DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PARK AND VETERANS MEMORIAL, IT REALLY EXPANDED WHAT WE THOUGHT THIS PARK COULD BE, AND WE DID A FOCUS GROUP WITH VETERANS BACK IN 2020, AND THE MAYOR WAS PART OF THAT. AND ONE OF THEIR JUST GUIDING PRINCIPLES WAS THAT THEY DID NOT WANT A VETERANS MEMORIAL. THAT FELT KIND OF CLOSED AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT YOU PHYSICALLY COULDN'T ACCESS IT, YOU COULDN'T ACCESS IT. AND THE VETERANS AND THE COMMUNITY DESERVE A PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO AND BE PART OF THEIR DAY, AND NOT JUST A PLACE YOU MIGHT GO TO FOR A CEREMONY ON VETERANS DAY AND OPENING THIS PARK AND THE LAND NORTH OF THE CREEK MADE THAT REALLY SIGNIFICANT. WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE THAN WE'VE EVER WERE ABLE TO WHEN THAT WAS GOING TO BE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. SO DAN AND I LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO TO MAKE THAT INTO A PARK, AND WE KNEW WE NEEDED RESTROOMS BECAUSE THAT WAS FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE FIRST PHASE OF ROSE RUN, AS THERE'S NO PUBLIC RESTROOMS. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A BUILDING AND WHAT'S THAT BUILDING HAVE TO BE? SO WE LOOKED AT I THINK THEY LOOKED AT SOME MODELS OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY COOL KIND OF PUBLIC WORKS TYPE BUILDINGS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN URBAN PARKS OR AREAS, SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND TYPES OF BUILDINGS. AND WHERE WE LANDED WAS WE WANTED THIS NOT TO OBSTRUCT VIEW OR ACCESS INTO THE PARK. WE STARTED. YOU KNOW, HOW YOU END UP WITH THESE PHRASES WHEN YOU WORK ON A PROJECT? WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT AS A PIECE OF FURNITURE AS OPPOSED TO A BUILDING, AND THAT WE WANTED PEOPLE TO SEE THROUGH IT. SO YOU CAN SEE INTO THE PARK, SEE INTO VETERANS MEMORIAL, AND THEN ALSO HAVE THAT PHYSICAL ACCESS THROUGH IT AND AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS A PLACE THAT THEY WANT TO BE. SO THAT KIND OF LED THE DESIGN, THE MATERIALS ITSELF. I DON'T KNOW, DAN, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. YEAH. AS ADRIAN WAS SAYING, WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE BUILDING. AND AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS AND ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT WAS REALLY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD HIGHLIGHT THE WATERWAY. AND SO WE WANTED THAT BUILDING TO BE TRANSPARENT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE WE'VE DONE OVER TIME IN MANY OF OUR PROJECTS IS SO WE'VE MADE THE, THE, THE COLUMNS VERY AS THIN AS WE CAN, AND WE MADE THEM DARK SO THAT THE FOLIAGE SHOWS THROUGH IT. SO IT'S SORT OF ALMOST LIKE A SHADOW MORE THAN, A, THAN A BRIGHT STRUCTURE. SO IT'S PAINTED METAL. THE WE'RE LOOKING AT PENALIZING OF THE, OF A SYSTEM AROUND WHERE THE STOREFRONT WOULD BE. SO IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEREST IN DETAIL TO IT. A LITTLE GLASS CLEAR STORY THERE. AND THEN AT THE UNDERSIDE WE HAVE THAT AS A AS A WOOD UNDERSIDE SOFFIT TO GIVE IT THIS SORT OF A NATURAL TEXTURE TO THE PARK. THAT'S GREAT. I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL.IT'S A VERY NICE STRUCTURE THERE. THE PARK, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PHASE OF THE
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PARK. YOU KNOW, YOU LEARN A LOT OF LESSONS WHEN YOU BUILD A PROJECT. AND I THINK THE FIRST PHASE OF ROSE RUN IS FANTASTIC. I THINK WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THIS A DISTINCT BUT COMPLEMENTARY EXTENSION OF THAT PARK. AND AS YOU THINK ABOUT REALLY FROM TAYLOR FARM, AS YOU COULD KIND OF MAKE YOUR WAY THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES, NOT ONLY WITH THE VETERANS MEMORIAL IS GOING TO HAVE, BUT MAKING THAT CORNER. I THINK YOU CAN ANCHOR A CORNER A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. SOMETIMES YOU CAN DO IT WITH A BUILDING, SOMETIMES YOU CAN JUST DO IT WITH ACTIVITY AND ACCESS. AND ONE REASON THERE IS A BRIDGE ACROSS THE STREAM RIGHT THERE IS TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE IN A MALL AND YOU WERE PUTTING YOUR SHOP, YOUR STORE, YOU'D WANT IT LIKE IN A PLACE WITH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC. AND SO WE THOUGHT, WE NEED A CROSSING RIGHT THERE. SO PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE ALONG THE STREET, YOU CAN LOOK DOWN INTO THE PARK AND SAY, I WANT TO GET THERE AND I CAN I KNOW I CAN SEE HOW IT A PATH TO DO THAT. SO I THINK, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY SPECIAL ADDITION AND EXTENSION TO THE PARK AMENITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE A DUBIOUS QUESTION FOR STAFF AND FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. I THINK THE DESIGN IS VERY WELL CONTEMPLATED. I APPRECIATE THE THE QUALITY OF THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. I DO HAVE A PROGRAMMATIC QUESTION AS WELL, BUT I'LL I'LL ASK MY FIRST QUESTION. THIS WILL INEVITABLY SHIFT THE CHARGE OF THE BOARD. APPROVAL OF THIS WILL NUDGE THE BOARD INTO CONSIDERING FUTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE FORM BASED, THAT DEVIATE FROM MORE TRADITIONAL. GEORGIAN ESTHETIC SORT OF ANCHORS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT IN THIS VERY SETTING. I'M I WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT I DON'T INTERJECT MY OWN BIAS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER INTO WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING, BUT I GUESS I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF FUTURE PROJECTS THAT MIGHT COME OUR WAY. THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST THING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN MY TIME AS A BOARD MEMBER THAT MOVES VERY, VERY INTENTIONALLY AWAY FROM NOT NECESSARILY. I MEAN, PROPORTION AND FORM. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE STILL VERY MUCH IN STEP WITH WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE FOR A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS. BUT THE DETAILING IS CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE. SO I JUST WOULD ASK, HOW DO YOU ADVISE NOT JUST US, BUT STAFF AS WELL, ON HOW TO CONSIDER FUTURE APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE LENS OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL APPROVAL OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS? YEAH, SURE. SO IT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION TO ASK. I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THEM. SO THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY ADDITION APPLICATION IN AND OF ITSELF IS HYPER SPECIFIC AND ONLY PERMITTED FOR THIS THIS SITE ADDING THIS TYPOLOGY AND OTHER LOCATIONS OR ANY TYPOLOGY THAT DEVIATES FROM WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE IS SITE SPECIFIC, IS APPLICATION SPECIFIC. SO IF IN THE FUTURE, IF SOMEONE WERE TO PROPOSE, YOU KNOW, WALK DOWN THE STEPS THAT THAT ANDREW IS IS SPEAKING ABOUT, THEY WOULD BE RIGHT BACK HERE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD GOING THROUGH THE SAME EVALUATION PROCESS. THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING. THAT'S THE TECHNICAL THING. THE SECOND PART OF WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADD IS, IS I THINK THAT ADRIAN AND OUR CONSULTANT TEAM HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF DESCRIBING WHY THIS SITE IS SO UNIQUE, AND WHY THE DESIGN APPROACH FOR THIS SITE WAS SO PARTICULAR. YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT BY OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, WE ALSO HAVE A VERY LONG STANDING PRACTICE IN NEW ALBANY OF NOT BACKING BUILDINGS ONTO PUBLIC, PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS A CRITICAL FACTOR, I THINK, A UNIQUE FACTOR OF THIS CASE THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE APPLICABLE TO OTHERS JUST BECAUSE THE SITE IS SO UNIQUE AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY MORE ROSE RUNS, ESPECIALLY MEN THAT ARE PROPOSED BY PRIVATE DEVELOPER IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO I THINK TO WRAP THAT ALL UP, I KNOW I'M KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE TYPES OF CASES ARE SO SITE SPECIFIC AND UNIQUE TO THE, THE INDIVIDUAL SITE CHARACTERISTICS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS. AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO WE APPRECIATE THIS IS ALL OUT ON THE BOARD AND ON THE RECORD AS TO NOT SET A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE APPLICATIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE, HAPPY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU GUYS AND MAKE SURE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANKS. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S FAIR. I MEAN, THERE WILL BE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE INEVITABLY PEOPLE WILL SEE THIS. THERE'S CERTAINLY PLENTY TO LIKE ABOUT IT, AND THERE MAY BE ELEMENTS THAT COME THROUGH TO US TO CONSIDER. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE EYES WIDE OPEN ABOUT THAT. MY PROGRAMMATIC QUESTION IS, WAS THERE ANY CONTEMPLATION AROUND A CAFE OR ANYTHING? I[00:55:02]
MEAN, THIS THING JUST IT'S LIKE IT WANTS TO BE IN THE TUILERIES GARDENS AND IT'S JUST LIKE I JUST, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A CREPE STAND THAT'S GOING TO BE FORTHCOMING IN THE NEXT ITERATION? THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. NO, THOSE ARE REALLY THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSIONS, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP. AND IN THE PREVIOUS QUESTION, BECAUSE AND I THINK THAT I'M A PLANNER. SO THIS IS A LITTLE NERDY, BUT I THINK THERE IS LIKE BEAUTY AND A ZONING CODE THAT DOES RECOGNIZE THAT THINGS ARE SITE SPECIFIC AND ALLOWS A MECHANISM FOR THEM TO COME BACK TO A BOARD LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTEXT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CORNER, YOU HAVE THE MCCOY, YOU HAVE THE THE CHAMBER BUILDING, RIGHT? YOU HAVE BREWDOG, WHICH ISN'T.SO IT'S LIKE WE STRUGGLED WITH THAT, A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THAT CORNER IS NOW AND THEN WHAT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE? AND TRYING TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT MAYBE COULD TO MEET BOTH OF THOSE CONDITIONS? WE DID HAVE SOME IDEAS. WE HAVE. WE HAVE SOME DRAWINGS THAT SHOW KIOSK AND WE TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A CAFE OR A VENDOR OR AN ICE CREAM SHOP, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T COME UP. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. AT THE SAME TIME, WE WERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY WELL, WE HAD IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WENT TO OKTOBERFEST, BUT THERE WAS A GREAT TRUCK THERE THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. AT THE SAME TIME THIS WAS GOING ON.
IT'S FUNNY HOW THINGS HAPPEN. WE ALSO HAD INNOVATE NEW ALBANY THAT WAS BEING BUILT, AND WE HAD A HECK OF A TIME TO GET A VENDOR THERE. AND LUCKILY WE LANDED BARRY BAGELS, WHICH WAS FANTASTIC. BUT SO THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES AND WE DID NOT WANT AN EMPTY KIOSK THAT WE COULDN'T GET A VENDOR IN. AND THEN WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF THE CORNER. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU HIT THAT CRITICAL MASS. RIGHT? I GUESS. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE SEE IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT WOULD PREVENT A CONSIDERATION, CONSIDERATION LIKE THAT DOWN THE ROAD IF IF IT MADE SENSE? I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO SAY. I MEAN, WE HAVE OTHER YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS PLAZA IS DESIGNED IN A CERTAIN WAY, BUT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, MORE FRONTAGE ALONG DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD AND YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE COULD BRING THERE. I WILL SAY THANK YOU. I, I WILL SAY ONE OTHER THING THAT YOU JUST RAISED THAT IS PROBABLY WORTH NOTING IS THAT THAT CORNER, FORMER BP. I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR EFFORT TO ERODE THE CORNERS AT THAT INTERSECTION FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. BREWDOG ACROSS THE STREET, THE CHAMBER SITE AND THE OTHER CORNER. I THINK THAT THERE'S ALWAYS THE RISK OF TOO MANY TOWN CENTERS WITHIN A TOWN CENTER. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK IT'S NICE THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BREATHING ROOM AS YOU MAKE THAT TURN RIGHT THERE, SO I THINK IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN MAINTAINING THE HIERARCHY THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN MARKET STREET, AND WHAT I'LL CALL KIND OF THE OLD NEW ALBANY CENTER.
AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO STRENGTHEN WITH OTHER PLANNING PROJECTS. SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY, FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, THE RIGHT PLACE TO BE A LITTLE QUIETER AT THAT LOCATION. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. YEAH, I THINK IT DEFINITELY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, IS THAT CONNECTING PIECE BETWEEN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE HISTORIC VILLAGE CENTER AND THEN THE ACTIVITY OF MARKET SQUARE. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FIRST FOR THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY. MAKE A MOVE. MOVE MOTION FOR ARB 81 DASH 2025 TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPOLOGY TO THE URBAN CENTER CODE AT ROSE RUN TWO SITE. YES.
SECOND. MR. BROWN. YES, MISS. MOORE. YES, MR. DAVEY? YES, MR. STROLLER? YES. MR. MALLETS. YES, YES. HAVE IT WITH FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE ARB 81 2025. OKAY. REAL QUICK. THE NEXT ONE, I THINK RECUSE MYSELF. YEP. YOU RECUSE YOURSELF ON THIS ONE? NOT THAT ONE. OH. IN THE NEXT ONE. YEAH.
OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THIS NEXT MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE THE ACTUAL PAVILION ITSELF. YEAH. ARB 76 DASH 2025 I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
NO CONDITIONS. I'LL SECOND MR. BROWN. YES, MR. DAVEY? YES, MISS MOORE? YES, MR. STROLLER? YES, MR. MALIK. YES, YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE ARB 76 2025. YEAH. ALL
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RIGHT. AND THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, MR. DAVEY HAS TO EXCUSE HIMSELF FROM THIS ONE IS. WHAT DO YOU GOT? ZC 78 DASH 2025. THE PUD REZONING REQUEST. GREAT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. SO THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION FOR 6600 NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS ROB RIDDLE, CARE OF AARON UNDERHILL. WE'RE BOTH HERE TONIGHT. SO JUST REALLY QUICK.JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD, AS YOU GUYS DON'T SEE VERY MANY REZONING APPLICATIONS AS WELL AS ANY FOLKS AT HOME WATCHING REMOTELY. SO REZONING IS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. REQUIRE ARB REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE ARB WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATION, REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ARB. IN ADDITION TO THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT THEY'RE CHARGED WITH, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL, WHO TAKES FINAL ACTION ON ALL REZONING APPLICATIONS. SO THIS IS THE SITE OUTLINED HERE IN RED TO HELP ORIENT FOLKS. I'M SURE MOST OF MOST OF YOU DRIVE DRIVE DOWN THE STRETCH OF ROAD DAILY. BUT JUST TO HELP ORIENT YOU, THIS IS 605 NEW ALBANY, NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. THE SCHOOL CAMPUS IS JUST OUTSIDE THE SCREEN HERE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE IMAGE, TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE IMAGE. THIS IS THE WINDSOR SUBDIVISION. THIS IS STATE ROUTE 161 BISECTING THE IMAGE.
THESE ARE THE WATER'S EDGE BUILDINGS. THIS IS THE FEASIBLE BUILDING. AND THIS IS THE NACO BUILDING. AND BOB EVANS HERE. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL CONTEXT AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. SO THE PROPOSED THE EXISTING USES ARE SORRY THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT IS IN THE URBAN CENTER CODE WITHIN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDISTRICT OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE. THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT IS IP'D WITH OFFICE USES. THESE WOULD BE LOW SCALE, LOW INTENSITY OFFICE USES BOTH ADMINISTRATIVE AND BUSINESS OFFICES, AS WELL AS FOR PROFIT AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND ASSOCIATIONS, SO THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, BUT IT IS LOCATED IN A VERY UNIQUE PART OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THERE ARE EXISTING OFFICE USES TO THE NORTH HERE. AS I MENTIONED, THOSE THOSE USERS NORTH OF 161, AS WELL AS THE LOW DENSITY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. SO THIS THIS SITE IS REALLY LOCATED AT A TRANSITIONAL PORTION OF THE CITY AND THE VILLAGE CENTER. THERE'S A YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB BY ENSURING THAT THE PROPOSED USES IN THE PUD TAX RESPOND TO THAT, THAT THOSE UNIQUE EXISTING SURROUNDING CONDITIONS, BY ONLY ALLOWING LOW INTENSITY OFFICE USERS TO BE DEVELOPED HERE ON THE SITE. THERE WERE THERE IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION, WHICH CONTEMPLATES BOTH THE REUSE OF THE EXISTING HOME ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE DETACHED, THE LARGE DETACHED DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN. THE PROPOSED SORRY ANY BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION, A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION WOULD REQUIRE FUTURE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY BOTH THE ARB AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE. SO THESE DRAWINGS ARE REALLY MEANT TO BE PRELIMINARY IN NATURE AND TO HELP ILLUSTRATE WHAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED ON THE SITE WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO THEY'RE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. BUT REALLY THE PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS AS OF TODAY. BACKING UP HERE, WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT THERE'S SO THIS IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE, BOTH IMAGES HERE AND THIS. THESE ARE THE EXISTING DETACHED, THE EXISTING LARGE DETACHED STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT AS YOU IF YOU DRIVE BY THE SITE. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AGAIN IN THE PRELIMINARY PLANS TO PUT A 33 SPACE PARKING LOT TO HELP SERVE THESE LOW INTENSITY OFFICE USERS THAT CAN BE HOUSED WITH. IF THIS REZONING IS PASSED BY COUNCIL. THE THE PUD TEXT DOES PROVIDE MANY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WILL BE FULLY FLESHED OUT AND FULLY ADHERED TO AT THE TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, BUT JUST PUTS THEM UP HERE THAT ARE WORTH NOTING. SO THE DGRS AT THIS PROPERTY RECOMMEND A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 2 TO 3 STORIES. THE IPD ZONING TEXT ACKNOWLEDGES THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT HOUSES AN EXISTING ONE STORY STRUCTURE, SO IT ALLOWS THAT TO BE TO REMAIN AND BE REUSED. BUT AND THEN ALLOWS FOR ONE AND A HALF TO THREE STORIES FOR NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE. THE APPLICANT DID INCLUDE. CONCEPTUAL REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL WITH A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN
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AGAIN PRELIMINARY. ANY FUTURE PLANS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.THERE IS THE INTRODUCTION OF A BASELINE PERMIT OF HARDIE BOARD, WHICH HAS BEEN USED SUCCESSFULLY THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO INSTEAD OF REQUIRING THAT ADDITIONAL REVIEW REVIEW THAT'S NECESSARY BY THE ARB TO INSTALL THAT, THAT THAT IS A BY RATE BY RIGHT BUILDING MATERIAL HERE AT THE SITE. AGAIN, THOSE DETAILS WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO BE SHOWN TO THE ARB AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT STAGE. THERE ARE SOME EXISTING OR SOME ALLOWANCES TO HAVE THE EXISTING WINDOWS REMAIN AS IS. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP A STOREFRONT, WHICH WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING GARAGE HERE THAT'S SHOWN IN THE IMAGE THAT EXISTING STORE, THAT NEW STOREFRONT DESIGN IS SHOWN HERE, WHICH IS A WHICH IS A POSITIVE.
IN CONCLUSION, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE THE PROPOSED USES ARE APPROPRIATE AS THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL AREA BETWEEN THE BUSINESS PARK TO THE NORTH AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE VILLAGE CENTER TO THE SOUTH. THE PROPOSED USES REMAIN LOW IN DENSITY AND RETAIN THE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, WHILE ALLOWING FOR OFFICE USE THAT ALIGNS WITH THE USES TO THE NORTH. THE PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEET THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS, AND THE MODIFICATIONS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SITE CONTEXT AND EXISTING RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER. THERE IS ONE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT. THERE ARE SOME ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT ARE PRETTY STANDARD TO BE INCLUDED IN REZONING APPLICATIONS. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, EITHER WITH FUTURE SUBMITTALS, WITH THE REZONING, OR AT THE TIME OF ENGINEERING OR BUILDING SUBMITTALS AS STAFF DEEMS APPROPRIATE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ERIN UNDERHILL IS ALSO HERE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT AS WELL. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS. SO WITH MR. DAVIE RECUSING HIMSELF, WHAT CAPACITY DO WE HAVE AS A BOARD TO TAKE ACTION AND WHAT ACTION ARE WE BEING ASKED TO TAKE? SO THIS WOULD BE A REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU TO VOTE I OR A BUT WE WOULD JUST CHANGE THE ZONING. NO YOU IS YES. YOU WERE WITHIN THE QUORUM BECAUSE IT IS STILL A QUORUM OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. WE HAVE A QUORUM. YOU JUST NEED A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT. YES. THANK YOU. SORRY. THAT'S MY FOR A SECOND, I APOLOGIZE. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS. WHAT AGAIN? WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE RECOMMENDING? ARE WE RECOMMENDING APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TWO PROPOSALS, OR ARE WE RECOMMENDING APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS PARCEL TO BE CONTEMPLATED AS A COMMERCIAL SITE, AS A, AS OPPOSED TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL? YES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. SO THE THE IT IS THE RECOMMENDED REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE ZONING.
SO THE CHANGING TO COMMERCIAL USES AND DUE TO THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THEY REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THAT PRELIMINARY DRAWING, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH YOUR MOTION. AND AGAIN THAT IS SUBJECT TO THEM COMING BACK AT A LATER DATE TO GET FURTHER APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR DISLIKE IT, IT'S GOT TO COME BACK EITHER WAY. AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENTS OF THE SITE, IF IN FACT NOT JUST US, BUT THE DOWNSTREAM COMMISSIONS APPROVE THIS FOR A REZONE, CORRECT? AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT LIKE BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT, I CAN I CAN HELP HELP FACILITATE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE DON'T YOU GUYS DON'T SEE A LOT OF REZONING APPLICATIONS, BUT IF THERE ARE ANYTHING, IF ANYTHING COMES OUT OF YOUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION SO WE CAN GET THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS UPDATED. THANK YOU. SO ARE WE ONE ONE FINAL PROCEDURAL QUESTION THEN A COUPLE COMMENTS. ARE WE ARE WE TO PICK AN OPTION OR SIMPLY COMMENT ON BOTH OPTIONS THAT WE EITHER DEEM APPROPRIATE OR APPROPRIATE ON EITHER. YEAH, YOU COULD COMMENT ON THEM. I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM INCLUDED IN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT. BUT YEAH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE COMMENT ON BOTH OF THEM.
OKAY. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED. SO FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE I WOULD SAY THIS MAKES SENSE. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THESE PARCELS IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LONG TERM INTENDED USE IS. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL DEFER TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT. BUT CERTAINLY THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE. AN INCONGRUOUS USE. MY REASON FOR THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TWO CONDITIONS, THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED IS THAT THERE'S THERE'S A TYPOLOGY QUESTION ON THE REUSE OF THE EXISTING THAT I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT. AND THEN SECONDLY, IT YOU SORT OF TIPPED YOUR HAT ON THIS. IT DOESN'T APPEAR AS
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THOUGH FINAL ENGINEERING HAS BEEN DONE. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF LOCK COVERAGE ON THE CONCEPT B OR TWO AND QUESTIONING WHETHER THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA AND NO STORMWATER. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING SOMETHING THAT IS ADMITTEDLY UNRESOLVED. IF IF I CAN SAY IT THAT WAY. SO IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. AT THIS STAGE IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR THOSE OTHER DETAILS THAT COME WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT. SO I CAN ONLY SAY THAT A NEW OFFICE BUILDING RUNNING PARALLEL TO 161 TWO STORIES, THREE STORIES, YOU KNOW, WITH PARKING CERTAINLY WOULD BE LOGICAL IF WE WERE TO APPROVE A COMMERCIAL USE FOR THE SITE, BUT I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON THE APPLICABILITY OF THE PARKING ARRANGEMENT, THE NUMBER OF SPACES, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S SIGNIFICANT UNRESOLVED QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT YOU WILL ULTIMATELY NEED FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. MY QUESTION ABOUT THE EXISTING AND THIS IS A QUESTION SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE, BUT OBVIOUSLY PERTAINS TO OTHERS, IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A AS A BOARD, A TYPOLOGY FOR REUSE OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES IN A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION. AND IT IS TERRIBLY CONFUSING FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, NOT JUST HERE IN NEW ALBANY, BUT BROADLY.AND IT'S IT'S TROUBLESOME. I MEAN, WE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF USING AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND PUTTING AN OFFICE SPACE IN IT, OR, I MEAN, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY GUIDE OUR DECISION MAKING ON WHAT IS APPROPRIATE OR INAPPROPRIATE.
IT IS A IT IS A HOME. I MEAN, YES, OKAY. REMOVING GARAGE DOORS, PUTTING STOREFRONT IN CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT AND I I'M NOT SAYING IT'S WRONG OR RIGHT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S A VERY. IMPRECISE WAY TO JUDGE THAT. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO COMMENT ON THAT AT THIS POINT. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF JUST SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT SO THAT MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ACT ON THIS REQUEST. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES THAT YOU CAN GIVE US THAT WHERE YOU HAD A CHANGE LIKE THIS NIBBLED AWAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD IT'S A PRETTY GOOD DELINEATION LINE. THAT FREEWAY IS A PRETTY GOOD DELINEATION LINE. WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL EAST, WEST AND SOUTH. AND THEN YOU'RE TAKING THIS LITTLE NIBBLE OUT AND IT'S I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RIGHT ALONG THE FREEWAY THERE. IT SORT OF MAKES SENSE. BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT. HOW FAR ARE WE GOING TO NIBBLE OUR WAY INTO TOWARD THE VILLAGE CENTER? YEAH, I THINK I'LL LET THE APPLICANT GIVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE, TOO, BUT JUST REAL QUICK SO THAT THAT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU KNOW, THIS SECTION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER WILL LIKELY REDEVELOP OVER TIME, CERTAINLY AT SOME POINT. AND WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S KIND OF GOING AROUND WITH THE HIGHWAY RECONSTRUCTION, THE SOUND WALL GOING UP LOOKING, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST REUSE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS, AND THE CITY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS LOW INTENSITY, LOW IMPACT OFFICE USE. AGAIN, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE MACRO LEVEL, THIS LARGER GROUP OF PARCELS AGAIN, EVENTUALLY THESE THESE SITES WILL REDEVELOP OVER TIME. AND WE AND THE VILLAGE CENTER, WE ALLOW FOR A MULTITUDE OF USES TO OCCUR. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY QUALMS WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH, WITH WITH THOSE THINGS IN MIND. SO IT'S JUST TEMPORARY UNTIL IT GETS REDESIGNED. YEAH. I'LL LET I'LL LET THE APPLICANT MAYBE TALK ABOUT THEIR SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM PLANS. YEAH. COME ON UP.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU AARON APPRECIATE BEING HERE. SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SIT STILL.
EXCUSE ME. AARON UNDERHILL, UNDERHILL AND HODGE, 8000 WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY.
THE ZONING ATTORNEY FOR ROB RIDDLE, WHO I'M SURE YOU ALL EITHER KNOW OR RECOGNIZE, APPRECIATE THE PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE OUTSIDE THE BOX FOR THIS BOARD AND THAT THE URBAN CENTER CODE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 12 OR 15 YEARS NOW.
SO ULTIMATELY, WHAT YOUR ROLE HAS BEEN IS TO APPLY EXISTING LAW IN THE FORM OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE. YOU'RE EVENTUALLY GOING TO GET BACK TO THAT REALM WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AT A LATER STAGE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE SORT OF SETTING THE RULES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND THE PUD IS INTENDED AND HAS BEEN USED THROUGHOUT NEW ALBANY IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, AND COUNTRY CLUB BEING THE PRIME EXAMPLE, BUT KIND OF SETS THE RULES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE SETBACKS AND BUILDING HEIGHTS AND MATERIALS WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN LAID OUT IN A TEXT THAT I PROVIDED, WHICH IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT FOREIGN TO YOU, BUT THOSE ARE THIS IS REALLY THE KEY ZONING DOCUMENT THAT WILL APPLY HERE, TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMETHING IS NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS TEXT, IT IT REVERTS TO CODE. THE UNDERLYING CODE APPLIES WHERE WE'RE SILENT. AND IN MOST INSTANCES HERE WE HAVE SAID
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THAT THE URBAN CENTER CODE WOULD APPLY IN THOSE INSTANCES. SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. BUT I'M GOING TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND ON WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE HERE AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT. IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP, JUST A PHOTO OF THE PARCEL OR THE MAP. YEP. THERE YOU GO. SO THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITE WITH A FEW THINGS REALLY DRIVING WHAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. FIRST OF ALL, THOMAS RIDDLE REAL ESTATE WOULD LIKE TO RELOCATE THEIR OFFICES TO THE HOUSE HERE. WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THEM AS A LONG TIME BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE THOUGHT IS THE THE REAR STRUCTURE. YOU'RE MORE ON THE EAST SIDE, SOUTH AND EAST CENTRAL SIDE. WE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME SORT OF SUPPORTING USE LIKE A TITLE COMPANY, I THINK. THINK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR TITLE INSURANCE COMPANY, SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY RELATED TO MR. RIDDLE'S BUSINESS COULD BE AN EXCELLENT SORT OF SECONDARY USE THERE ON PURPOSE. WE DID NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING AS A PERMITTED USE, SUCH AS MEDICAL OFFICE, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT IMPACTS FROM THAT, LIKE PARKING, FOR INSTANCE, AND TRAFFIC GENERATION, ETC. SO THIS IS REALLY WE'VE REALLY WHITTLED IT DOWN TO PROFESSIONAL TYPE OFFICES. YOU COULD HAVE AN ACCOUNTANT OR A LAWYER, ETC. IF MR. RIDDLE WAS NOT THERE. IT'S RECTANGULAR PARCEL WITH THE FRONTAGE ON NEW ALBANY CONDIT ROAD WITH FRONTAGE ON THE HIGHWAY THERE. REALLY, IF YOU HAVE ALL BEEN HERE IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO DOWN TO THE WEST ON 161, YOU CAN SEE THEM STARTING THE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SOUND BARRIERS. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE RIGHT HERE. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S DRIVING THE FACT THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL SITE.YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SOUND WALL THERE THAT IS GOING TO OBSTRUCT VIEWS.
IT'S GOING TO REALLY INHIBIT, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO HAVE WHAT WE DO IN WINDSOR, A BIG LANDSCAPING BERM THERE IT WILL BE. AND REALLY IT WE DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYBODY THAT IS REALLY GOING TO WANT TO INVEST IN THE LONG RUN IN REHABILITATING THE HOME FOR RESIDENTIAL USE OR CREATING A NEW RESIDENCE ON THE SITE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT, SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE VILLAGE SCALE SORT OF SORT OF OFFICE HERE. THE THE LONG TERM GOAL IS, IN FACT TO REDEVELOP THE SITE AND GET RID OF THE EXISTING HOME AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, NOT KNOWING REALLY THE IMPACT VISUALLY THAT THAT THAT SOUND BARRIER IS GOING TO HAVE. AND REALLY WHAT MR. RIDDLE WANTING TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT GOES WITH THE NEW, NEW LOCATION HERE FOR HIS OFFICE, WE WANTED TO KIND OF I'M GOING TO CALL IT IN THE SHORTER TERM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SHORTER TERM MEANS. IT COULD BE FIVE, IT COULD BE TEN YEARS. BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO ENHANCE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE PROPERTY TODAY AND REPURPOSE THE SITE IN MANY WAYS. AND THEN THE GOAL WOULD BE IN THE LONGER RUN TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL WITH A AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS OF A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL DESIGN AND IS BRAND NEW. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE CONCEPT PLAN WE PROVIDED FOR THAT LONG, LONG RUN SCENARIO IS NOT INTENDED. WE DON'T INTEND GOING ON THE RECORD SAYING THIS, THAT YOU WOULD OR YOU ARE AT ALL BLESSING THAT, BUT THAT WAS INTENDED TO DO WAS TO DEMONSTRATE THE CAPACITY OF THE SITE AND WHAT WHAT COULD BE PLACED ON IT IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A SITE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST OVER ONE ACRE IN SIZE, YOU WONDER HOW COULD YOU FIT A NEW OFFICE BUILDING ON THERE? THE INTENT WAS JUST TO CAPACITY STUDY THERE. SO OUR INTENT IS NOT AT ALL FOR YOU TO SAY THAT'S A GREAT IDEA OR NOT, THAT WILL COME BACK THROUGH A PROCESS WITH YOU AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THE FUTURE. SO IT'S YOU'RE APPROVING. HERE ARE THE REPURPOSING OF THE TWO STRUCTURES AND AND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD PAVED PARKING IS NOT A PAVED MOST OF US NOT PAVED TODAY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO DO. AND THEN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AS IT WOULD TYPICALLY IN THE URBAN CENTER IN THE FUTURE. WE DID MAKE COMMITMENTS IN TERMS OF THE TYPOLOGY. ONE OF THE REASONS WE PICKED THE PUD HERE WAS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SO MANY VARIANCES FROM THE UNDERLYING URBAN CENTER CODE AND DEVIATIONS AND WAIVERS, WHATEVER THE TERMS ARE HERE, THAT IT WAS GOING TO GET REALLY DIFFICULT TO EVALUATE IT ALL. SO THE PUD ALLOWS US TO SORT OF SET THE STANDARD AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO REHABILITATE THE HOME AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE MANNER THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU HERE. MORE DETAIL TO COME WITH THE NEXT STAGE, BUT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO A LIST OF SEVERAL OF THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES YOU HAVE IN YOUR URBAN CENTER CODE ALREADY. SO WE'VE CALLED THOSE OUT. I SUPPOSE THAT IF, JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PAVILION, MAYBE THERE'LL BE A
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NEW TYPOLOGY THAT WE COME AND PRESENT TO YOU, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE THAT. BUT WE WANTED TO RESPECT THE LONG RANGE GOAL OF HAVING THIS ADHERE AS MUCH TO THE VILLAGE CENTER OR THE URBAN CENTER CODE AS AS WE COULD. I THINK THERE ARE MANY POSITIVES HERE. I MEAN, THE LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ELIMINATED THE NEED FOR A LOT OF VARIANCES INSTEAD OF SORT OF WRITING OUR OWN RULES THAT THAT ARE PARTICULAR TO THIS SITE. WE ARE MAINTAINING, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL REVIEW FORUMS FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, AND IN FACT, WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WILL HAVE AN EXTRA STEP OF GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHEREAS THE URBAN CENTER CODE DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT. AND THEN ONE THING THAT PEOPLE DON'T TEND TO REALLY GET A GRASP OF, I APPRECIATE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT COMMENT. WE DO HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER ON BOARD WHO HAS TOLD US THAT THIS CAN BE ENGINEERED TO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THESE SORT OF HISTORIC SITES THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE WE REALLY HAD STORMWATER REGULATIONS, ACTUALLY PRESENT A REAL BENEFIT IN THAT REGARD WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE YOU HAD TO BRING EVERYTHING UP TO CODE. SO I ANTICIPATE WE'VE DONE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN A PATH WHERE WE CAN'T ACTUALLY DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND BUT WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN WITH THESE PROJECTS IS THAT AT THESE EARLIER STAGES, YOU GET THE BONES OF THE OF THE RULES IN PLACE AND THEN MORE ENGINEERING, MORE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. MR. DAVEY, ON OUR TEAM, THAT WILL COME TO YOU AND WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION ON THAT AT THAT TIME. SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE SEEKING AND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT I'M SURE YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SO WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, AND CORRECT ME WRONG. DIDN'T LAST MONTH OR TWO MONTHS AGO. WE APPROVED RIGHT NEXT DOOR. WE WOULDN'T LET THEM BUILD A GARAGE FACING THE STREET. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT 30 PARKING SPOTS WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THEIR. YEAH. AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL LIKE A SCREENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. CORRECT. YES. THEY'LL BE SCREENING. THERE'LL BE A COMMITMENT FOR A, FOR A FENCE. YEAH. YEP. WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, IF THIS WAS A BIGGER REZONE TO COMMERCIAL FOR THAT ENTIRE AREA AT ONCE, IT WOULD BE ONE THING. BUT JUST I JUST STRUGGLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS PIECEMEAL AND THE POTENTIAL OF A THREE STORY BUILDING RIGHT BY THE WINDSOR COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THE HIGHWAYS THERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN SUPPORT REZONING THIS BY ITSELF.CHRISTIAN MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A GOAL TO REZONE QUITE A BIT OF THIS. EVENTUALLY YOU'D SEE ALL THIS DEVELOPED. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON A TIMELINE OR A PROCESS FOR THAT? IS IT ALL GOING TO BE INDIVIDUAL WALKS LIKE THIS OR WHAT? YEAH, THAT'S ALL DRIVEN BY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. WHAT I MEANT TO SAY, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM, THE CITY ENVISIONS THESE PROPERTIES BEING REDEVELOPED OVER TIME.
HOW THAT HAPPENS IS UP TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, HOW QUICKLY THAT HAPPENS. YEAH. SO DO WE JUST LOOK AT THIS AS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE TOOLS IN THE TOOL BELT. AND IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE CITY. AND. YEAH. AND FOLKS THE NEIGHBORS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA WILL BE NOTIFIED VIA MAIL AND REZONING SIGNS HAVE BEEN PLACED IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO COME AND PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO FOLKS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA WILL BE PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS. AND MR. RIDDLE HAS SPOKEN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST ADJACENT.
CORRECT? YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP? SURE, YEAH. HELLO. HEY. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT OF YOUR EVENING TO COME SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN THIS CAPACITY. YES, I YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE RURAL NATURE OF THE SITE, I HAVE NOT HAD DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN THAT CORRIDOR, BUT THE ONE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT IS WHERE MY ATTENTIONS AND. TO KIND OF TIE BACK TO ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE PARKING CURRENTLY, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE THERE'S ALREADY QUITE A FEW PARKING SPOTS. YOU KNOW, VISUALLY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL BE A DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY THE QUESTION HERE IS WITH THIS VERY LARGE SOUND WALL THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE, DOES THIS REALLY HAVE ANY VIABILITY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL USE? AND WE ALL KNOW YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOME IN NEW ALBANY FOR MUCH LESS THAN $1 MILLION THESE DAYS. AND, AND IS ANYBODY EVER GOING TO DO THAT WITH THAT SOUND WALL
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RIGHT THERE? I DON'T HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN. MEMORIZE OF COURSE. IS THIS ALL. WHAT IS THE IN THE PLAN? WHAT PORTIONS OF THESE ARE ENVISIONED TO BE COMMERCIAL? IS IT EVERYTHING ALONG THE ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD DOWN TO THE SCHOOL? YEAH. SO THIS THE THE VILLAGE CENTER PORTION OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN ARE THE USES ARE REALLY A BROAD RANGE OF VARIETY OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY THE FORM BASED CODE, MORE SO THAN THE USE ITSELF. WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC LIKE CONCEPT PLANS OR ANYTHING FOR THESE STRETCH OF PROPERTIES HERE. BUT AGAIN, REDEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ENVISIONS FOR THESE PROPERTIES. BUT IT DOES GO. IT DOES GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. YEAH. IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TO THE. YEP. LIFE SCIENCE BAPTIST CHURCH. SO I THINK I THINK THERE'S A GOOD QUESTION RAISED HERE. AND I THINK OUR HANDS ARE COLLECTIVELY TIED ON ANSWERING IT, WHICH IS FOR THIS LITTLE POCKET TO BE SUCCESSFUL, SOME KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN SHARED BY THE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD IDEALLY BE THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS. IT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY RUN THE RISK OF BEING DISJOINTED, BECAUSE WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO, AND I'M NOT TAKING ISSUE WITH RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, APPLICABILITY. THE THE WALL ALONG 161 I'M JUST COMMENTING THAT YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE. AND THEN HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, IF YOU HAVE IT UP ON SCREEN, THE THE FUTURE CONCEPT PLAN. THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM HERE, THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE IT. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. SO THERE'S SOME VERY CLEAR LINES BEING DRAWN LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THERE GOING TO BE COMMON FRONTAGE ALONG THIS AREA TO THE SOUTH IS, IS THIS BUILDING GO HERE AND THEN ANOTHER BUILDING GOES THERE AND ANOTHER BUILDING GOES THERE. AND I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, BUT I DO I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT'S HARD TO OVERCOME. AND AND YET IT MAY BE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW AS A BOARD TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT GIVES ME SOME PAUSE. I THINK I WOULD ASK JUST TO PUT MY OTHER COMMENT ON THE RECORD, WOULD BE THAT REGARDING THE PARTIAL REDEVELOPMENT, UTILIZING THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON SITE, I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT A DECISION IS MADE TO KIND OF LEAN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT PERHAPS NOT BLEND THE TWO ESTHETICS. RIGHT NOW WHAT I SEE IS STRONG RESIDENTIAL CHARACTERISTICS MIXED WITH SOME COMMERCIAL NODS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE PREFERRED AND MAYBE A STRONGER OVERALL CONCEPT TO TO LEAN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO FOR EXAMPLE, SHUTTERS CERTAINLY MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF RESIDENTIAL SCALE. MAYBE THE SHUTTERS AREN'T APPROPRIATE. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING OUGHT TO KIND OF REMOVE SOME OF THOSE FRONT PORCH ELEMENTS AND SHUTTERS AND ANY CHARACTERISTICS THAT SPEAK TO MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL SCALE. I THINK IT WOULD HELP ELIMINATE.OPERATIONAL AND ZONING CONFUSION. AND THESE ARE NOT, HOPEFULLY NOT HARDSHIP COMMENTS THAT I'M MAKING, JUST OBSERVATIONS AS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S PRACTICAL. I'M SURE FINANCIALLY TO TEAR DOWN THE STRUCTURES TODAY AND REDEVELOP THE FUTURE CONCEPT. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT SOME CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO LEANING INTO ONE ESTHETIC VERSUS THE OTHER, AND I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND STRATEGIES. SO YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS WITH MISTER DAVEY, BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THAT BE CONSIDERED IN THE EVENT THAT THE BOARD AND THE SUBSEQUENT BOARDS APPROVE THE REZONING. HAPPY TO ANSWER MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK POINT AS WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF BUILDINGS ABOVE 161 OR NORTH OF 161. THE IDEA HERE IS TO REALLY BRING IN MORE OF THE FEEL OF THE PREVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS USE OF HIGH STREET AROUND WHERE EAGLES PIZZA IS AND AROUND THE SURROUNDING AREAS WHERE YOU COULD TELL IT USED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT NOW IT'S MORE OF A COMMERCIAL USE. SO IT'S RATHER THAN BRINGING BUSINESS FROM THE NORTH SOUTH, WE SEE IT AS MORE OF EXTENDING THAT AREA FURTHER NORTH TO START TO CAPTURE SOME OF THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT POSSIBLE, RATHER THAN MAKING A QUICK CHANGE TO SOME LARGE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING, IT'S MORE TESTING THE CONCEPT OF OF BRINGING THAT COMMERCIAL USE FURTHER INTO THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND, AND STARTING TO GET USED TO THAT TYPE IN THE AREA AND SEE FROM A PROOF OF CONCEPT IF IT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL THERE, RATHER THAN JUST QUICKLY TRYING TO CHANGE
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OVER TO A COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH IS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.ANYBODY ELSE NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL BOARD MEMBERS OR. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A QUORUM HERE. SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, WE CAN MOVE AHEAD. I THINK THIS BEING THE FIRST OF THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S IT'S TOUGH. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS. SO WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO THIS TO ADJUST A TO RECOMMEND TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE REZONING. YES. AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN TO COUNCIL. SO IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH TWO MORE ITERATIONS. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING THE REZONING, SUBJECT TO A MORE THOROUGH REVIEW OF LAND USE AND AND TREATMENT OF EXISTING STRUCTURES, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED. I'M JUST NOT. I DON'T SEE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR ME TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL ON ME. YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. YEAH, THAT'S NOT PART OF IT AT ALL. IT'S JUST JUST THE REZONING.
YEAH. THAT'S AGAIN THE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION. IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY NORMAL FEELING. MORE THOSE ADDITIONAL DETAILS LIKE I MENTIONED WILL COME AT THAT THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT STAGE I WOULD ASK THAT STAFF IS THERE IS THERE ANY. ANY CONSIDERATION THAT CAN BE GIVEN. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ANY CONSIDERATION THAT CAN BE GIVEN TO THE INEVITABILITY OF FUTURE APPLICATIONS THAT WILL COME ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL AND ADJACENT TO THE FUTURE RIGHT DOWN THE LINE. MAYBE. PERHAPS NOT IN THAT ORDER. BUT THIS SORT OF BEGS FOR A MASTER PLAN. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANY OF US IN THIS ROOM HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL FOR. BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN HOPE FOR THAT WOULD TRY TO SYNTHESIZE THIS LITTLE CORRIDOR? YEAH, YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY SHARE THAT WITH OUR SENIOR STAFF TEAM AND COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN STUDYING.
YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR WE DO HAVE SOME DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET. THIS IS LESS ABOUT LAND USE BUT MORE ABOUT THE STREETSCAPE. AGAIN THIS IS ALL PENDING. IF COUNCIL APPROVES WHAT'S IN THE WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET. BUT WE DO HAVE A PROJECT WE'RE CALLING IT THE THE WINDSOR TO HAMLET PROJECT. THIS WOULD BE MORE STREETSCAPE FOCUSED, BUT LAND USE INEVITABLY WILL BE TIED INTO THAT. THAT PLANNING PROCESS, AS IT ALWAYS IS TO, YOU KNOW, AS AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S EXISTING PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES IN THE WEST SIDE OF 605 ALL THE WAY UP TO WALTON PARKWAY. AND WHAT WILL BE THE HAMLET PROJECT THE CITY IS PROPOSING TO PROPOSING A NEW STUDY TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY LOOKS LIKE FROM WINDSOR, ALL THE WAY TO THE HAMLET ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. YOU KNOW, WE KNOW ONCE THE THE HAMLET DEVELOPS UP HERE AND WITH ALL OF THE, THE THE NEW SCHOOL AMENITIES THAT COULD BE PROVIDED ON THE CAMPUS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC UP THROUGH THIS AREA.
SO AGAIN, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT TO BE STUDIED IN THE NEW BUDGET, I'M SURE LAND USE WILL BE A COMPONENT OF IT, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A FULL CONCEPT PLAN WITH LAND USES AND BUBBLE DIAGRAMS OF WHAT THESE INFILL PARCELS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THAT'S NOT COMING UP WITH THAT PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BE, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY SHARE THAT WITH, AGAIN, SENIOR STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL THAT FEEDBACK. WELL, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE PLANS TO SCRAPE THE SITE AND REDEVELOP A BUILDING AT THIS TIME. SO DO WE. DO WE HAVE TIME TO AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION WITHOUT IMPEDING YOUR PLANS? YES. THIS COULD. I MEAN. YEAH, I THINK THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING, ANDREW, ARE REALLY VALID. I RECOGNIZE THE KIND OF UNWRITTEN NATURE OR FUTURE OF THIS AREA. SO, YOU KNOW, HENCE MY PERSONAL. HESITATION TO GO, YOU KNOW, INVEST $6 MILLION PLUS IN DEVELOPING AN OFFICE BUILDING WHEN IT'S NOT INCONCEIVABLE IF YOU'VE LIVED IN NEW ALBANY AS LONG AS I HAVE THAT. A DEVELOPER UNNAMED WOULD COME THROUGH AND PURCHASE A LARGE PORTION, IF NOT ALL, OF THOSE HOMES, AND REDEVELOP THE SITE IN A COHESIVE MANNER. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY INTENTION, AT LEAST FOR, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY LONG TIME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS CERTAINLY
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WOULD BE TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE SO AS TO FIT THE NEEDS OF, YOU KNOW, MY BUSINESS AND KIND OF SEE WHAT PLAYS OUT. RIGHT. I DO THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THAT CORRIDOR IS PROBABLY NO LONGER HIGHEST AND BEST USE RESIDENTIAL. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M AS CURIOUS AS EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM TO SEE WHAT EVENTUALLY UNFOLDS THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE THAT LEGALLY YOU COULD NECESSARILY REQUIRE US TO DO THIS, BUT WE CAN VOLUNTEER ANYTHING. AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE PUD.BUT I THINK WE COULD MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT WE WOULD NOT PRESENT A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE OR COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE UNTIL THERE'S A STUDY DONE. OR MAYBE THERE'S A BACKSTOP OF LIKE THREE YEARS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT STUDY DONE IN THREE YEARS, THEN WE CAN BRING THAT. BUT THAT WOULD BUY US SOME TIME TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST BRINGING SOMETHING TOTALLY FOREIGN TO THE SITE. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY GENEROUS OFFER. I, I THINK WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL TOUCHING THE SAME THE SAME QUESTION. AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BACKING OURSELVES INTO ALLOWING SOMETHING THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE CONTEMPLATED A LITTLE BIT MORE BROADLY. SO. AND BY BY THE SAME BY THE SAME TOKEN, I THINK GIVING OUR COMPATRIOTS AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE THIS TOO.
YEAH, I THINK IS GOING TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL FRUIT ON HOW THIS WHOLE THING, THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR, SPECIFICALLY THIS SITE, ENDS UP GETTING DEVELOPED. SO I'D HATE TO BE HAVE THIS BOARD BE SORT OF THE ONES THAT SORT OF PUT THE KIBOSH ON IT BEFORE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO SORT OF REVIEW IT. WELL, EVEN IF WE SAY DON'T RECOMMEND THIS BEING DONE IN A SILO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING. RIGHT? BUT IT STILL MOVES ON, RIGHT? EVEN WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION IT WOULD. WE NEED TO APPROVE THE REZONING AND THEN IT MOVES ON. IF WE IF WE IF WE GRANT THE. THE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION. YEAH. YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION AND THAT MOTION. BUT IF WE SAY NO IT STOPS. NO. THEY COULD THEY COULD GO STILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. THE NEXT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. SO IT'S NOT WE PREFER YOUR RECOMMENDATION OBVIOUSLY, OH YEAH. TRUE. GOOD POINT. I JUST STRUGGLE WITH US DOING IT IN A SILO WITHOUT EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. MR. VALLANCE. AND.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH. AT LEAST I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO APPROVE. SO THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD. IF IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. I'LL TRY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR CASE ZC DASH SEVEN EIGHT 2025 AT 6600 NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD FOR REZONING CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PUD. TO ALLOW. RESTATE THAT TO ALLOW A ZONING CHANGE FROM THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDISTRICT OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE TO INFILL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AT 6600 NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. PARCEL ID 2220 2-000640, AND THEN IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CITY ENGINEER'S COMMENTS ONE THROUGH FOUR. YES. THANK YOU.
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. MR. MALLET. YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MISS. MOORE? YES, MR. STROLLER? NO. THANK YOU. ALL THE EYES. I'M SORRY. THE THE EYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH THREE VOTES IN FAVOR AND ONE VOTE TO DENY THE THE THE APPROVAL OF DC 28 DC 78 2025, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND SO IF YOU COULD JUST. YEAH. MY REASON FOR THE NO IS NOT RECOMMENDING DOING THIS IN IN IN AS A SINGLE REZONING WITH GIVEN ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT WITHOUT MORE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY AND PLAN OF OF FUTURE. IN ADDITION, LIKE THE PROPOSAL OF UP TO A THREE STORY BUILDING CONCERNS ME WITHOUT THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND THE ABILITY TO MOVE ON WITH THIS. AND THERE'S A LOT MORE TO COME ON THIS, SO IT WON'T BE THE LAST TIME YOU SEE US, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? YES. THIS EVENING. OTHER BUSINESS OF THE
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MASTER. SIGN PLAN UPDATE. THANKS. OKAY. YES. SO LAST MONTH I KNOW THAT WE INTRODUCED THE MASTER SIGN PLAN. SO THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE, THEY'VE DONE SOME SITE WORK AND ASSESSMENT AND HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I WILL GIVE IT TO THEM. COOL. HOW IS EVERYBODY? GREAT. YOU GREAT. ALL RIGHT. HANDSOME. THANK YOU. I FIGURED IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER IF EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING TO CONNECT WITH. TAKE WITH THEM AND JUST WE'LL DO WE'LL DO A QUICK OVERVIEW IN HERE. AND THEN GLENN AND I WILL SET UP PRESENTATION OVER IN THE PREVIEW ROOM NEXT DOOR THAT WE CAN ALL GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE HERE.I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THIS AS EFFICIENTLY AS AS POSSIBLE. LET'S SEE OKAY. LAST LAST MONTH WE WE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS. BUT THIS WILL HELP US FOCUS IN WHY WE'RE HERE. OUR GOAL IS TO HELP ELEVATE THE VILLAGE CENTER AND MARKET SQUARE FROM PLEASANT TO DESTINATION. A COUPLE OF OF WAYS WE PLAN ON DOING THAT IS HELPING IMPROVE LEGIBILITY, SAFETY AND DAY NIGHT PRESENCE. TIGHTENING CODE WHERE CLARITY IS MISSING. PARENTS ILLUMINATION AND MAINTENANCE. DEMONSTRATING SOLUTIONS VISUALLY IN OUR PREVIEW ROOM RIGHT NEXT DOOR HERE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO REACT. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE THEORY. AND THEN OF COURSE, TODAY'S GOAL IS TO PROPOSE AND SECURE SOME ALIGNMENT ON DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, SECURE KIND OF THE PREVIEW ROOM PROCESS. HERE IS A CADENCE FOR US AND A SHORT LIST OF CODE TUNEUPS THAT WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH THE CITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE. AND WE COULD DRAFT FOR RED LINE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO FIRST PIECE, WE'VE TAKEN A BIT OF TIME TO USE THE PILOT AREA THAT WE HAVE MAPPED OUT, WHICH WILL NOT ON THAT VISUAL, BUT YOU'LL SEE NEXT DOOR. THE THE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN AROUND THE CITY AND AREAS THAT WE COULD OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE COULD REALLY HELP ELEVATE FROM PLEASANT TO DESTINATION. SO FIRST LEGIBILITY CONDITION DRIFT. WE'VE, YOU KNOW, JUST SEEN SOME LITTLE THINGS MISSING LETTERS, PEELING GUILD PAINT, SUN BLEACHED PANELS, GHOSTING, VISIBLE SEAMS, FASTENERS, UNEVEN ILLUMINATION. SOME OF THIS NATURALLY JUST HAPPENS WITH WEATHER AND TIME, BUT OTHERS MAY BE AVOIDABLE. ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE'VE KIND OF NOTICED. IT'S BEEN A FUN A-FRAME. THESE SANDWICH BOARDS ARE LIKE EVERYWHERE, SO WE HAD FUN WATCHING THOSE. SO WE'VE BEEN DOCUMENTING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. SO IT FEELS KIND OF LIKE A GROWING FREE FOR ALL AND MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT. WHEN IT'S DONE, IT'S CHARMING AND WHEN IT'S NOT, IT MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE CLUTTER. SO ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE'VE NOTICED, AND WHEN I SAY FRONT VERSUS BACK REALITIES, I'LL USE JOHNSON'S ICE CREAM OR THAT LITTLE STRIP THERE AS A AS A REFERENCE POINT. SO REAR ELEVATIONS FUNCTION AS TRUE FRONTS. WHEN I RECOGNIZE THE TRAFFIC JOHNSON'S THERE AND THEN FLAT BACK OF HOUSE READS MAY HURT WAYFINDING AND PLACE FEEL AND THEN INCONSISTENT PLANTING AND PROPS KIND OF AN AD HOC OF FLOWER POTS AND SMALLER KIND OF VISUAL NOISE INSTEAD OF COHERENCE. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN THE NIGHT EXPERIENCE UNDER LIT FACADES, MAYBE AGING, UNLIT, GOOSENECKS, REDUCED EVENING DRAW. AND I'LL NOTE AN OBSERVATION I HAVE ON THERE BEFORE WE GO INTO THE ROOM. BUT FIRST, KIND OF SOME OF THE CODE TUNEUPS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT DOING. SO THE FIRST ONE, BEFORE I START ON THIS, I'LL PAUSE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING REFERENCE QUESTIONS. OKAY. GOOD. REPAIR AND APPEARANCE. NEW CLEAR DEFINITIONS. OBJECTIVE TRIGGERS.
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SECURE. REPLACE. FAILED ELIMINATION. MISSING CHARACTERS. SEVERE FADE. WARPING. PEELING FINISHES, EXPOSED FASTENERS, AND PANEL GHOSTING. THEN WE HAVE THE ILLUMINATION CLARITY, NOT STYLE POLICY. NECESSARILY. SET EXPECTATIONS FOR UNIFORMITY, BRIGHTNESS RANGES, COLOR TEMPERATURE, CONSISTENCY IN THE KELVIN. YOU KNOW, LEAVING MORE WARM TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, BLUISH WHITE GLARE SPILL CONTROL NOTE DIMMING CURFEW GUIDANCE WHERE APPROPRIATE. AND WE WE CAN WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT IN THE ROOM NEXT DOOR AS WE KIND OF WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE VISUALS WE HAVE. AND THEN THE SANDWICH BOARDS ARE A FRAMES AS I'M CALLING THEM THE SIDEWALK SIGNS, I SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR APPROACH IS CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM, BUT LET'S ELEVATE. SO APPROACHING THE CODE IN A WAY THAT PERMITS THE FORMS AND THE SIZE AND DURABLE MATERIALS, BUT AVOID THINGS LIKE CORRUGATED PLASTIC. USE OUTDOOR GRADE, YOU KNOW, RUSTPROOF METALS OR WOOD, LEGIBLE LETTERING REQUIREMENTS. KEEP CONTENT A LITTLE BIT NEUTRAL. CLEAR PLACEMENT ZONE TO PROTECT PEDESTRIANS FLOW ACCESSIBILITY AVOIDS PUTTING THEM NEAR THE ROAD WHERE THERE'S CARS DRIVING BY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO READ AND THAT KIND OF THING. RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED. FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, GLENN SKETCHED UP SOME GEORGIAN INFORMED, YOU KNOW, A FRAME PATTERNS THAT COULD BE OWNED BY THE CITY OR RENTED OUT, THAT KIND OF FEEL LIKE AN EXTENSION OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE THE ESTHETIC AREA THAT TENANTS COULD OPT INTO OR COULD BE USED, YOU KNOW, BY SOME OF THE, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES TO TWO FRONT SITUATIONS. WE KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. EXPLICITLY RECOGNIZED DUAL FRONTAGE CONDITIONS, ALLOW SECONDARY SIGN SOLUTIONS THAT READ FROM PEDESTRIAN APPROACHES. I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S CERTAIN REGULATIONS OR LIMITS ON, YOU KNOW, FRONTAGE WITH TWO WINDOWS AND A SIGN ABOVE, MAYBE FOR CERTAIN STORES THAT HAVE REAR ENTRANCE, I SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. HOW DO WE APPROACH THAT DIFFERENTLY WITH THE SIGN REGULATION? AND THEN OF COURSE, MAINTENANCE AND ENFORCEMENT LEVERS. TAKING THE PRACTICAL PATH, PARTNERSHIP POSTURE. SO THE FIRST POINT, THE THIRD POINT THERE KIND OF THE SAME. I JUST GOT PUT IN THERE TWICE.BUT US, WESLEY AND ROBERTS WERE PROPOSED TO RUN MONTHLY OR BI MONTHLY DAY EVENING WALKTHROUGHS, TASK LISTS WITH PHOTOS AND CURE WINDOWS ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF, AND REPORT BACK WITH ASSESSMENT BUSINESSES THAT NEED ATTENTION TO RECOGNIZE EXEMPLARY STANDARDS. AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS THAT WE'RE WE'RE THROWING IN TO HELP WITH THE THE CODE, ENFORCING THE CODE AND MAINTENANCE THE NOTICE CADENCE. WE LOOK AT OFFERING A FRIENDLY NOTICE, THEN A FORMAL NOTICE, THEN A CURATIVE OR REPLACE TIMELINES TIED TO OBJECTIVE TRIGGERS ABOVE. I'LL SKIP THE THIRD POINT HERE. IT'S PRETTY MUCH REITERATING FIRST AND THEN FOCUS ON SAFETY FUNCTION FIRST. AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS APPEARANCE. AS WE KIND OF WRAP UP HERE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PREVIEW ROOM REALLY ALLOW US TO JUST SHOW YOU PHYSICAL MOCKUPS. WE PLAN OR INTEND TO LEAVE THAT UP ALL THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THIS PILOT, SO THAT AT ANY POINT OF THE WEEK, IF YOU'RE HERE OR IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO COME THROUGH AND WALK THROUGH IT AND TALK, TALK THROUGH IT, THEY CAN OR ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN WE CAN USE IT DURING THESE ARP MEETINGS WITH BRIEF WALKTHROUGHS. AND WE CAN KEEP IT KINESTHETIC. WE CAN PUT SAMPLES ON THAT CONFERENCE ROOM TABLE IN THERE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT MATERIAL AND APPLICATION. AND THEN WE'LL GO INSIDE HERE IN A MINUTE AND LOOK AT THE ASSESSMENT BOARDS BY LOCATION THAT WE PUT UP, PRIORITIZED ISSUES. SOME OF OUR SOLUTIONS, SOME OF OUR A FRAME STUDIES AND A FIRST LOOK AT OUR VILLAGE HALL SIGN CONCEPT DIRECTIONS THAT WE'VE WE'VE STARTED TO SKETCH OUT FOR EVERYBODY. AND SPEAKING OF VILLAGE HALL, WE'LL PLAN ON USING TO REITERATE FROM LAST MONTH, WE USE VILLAGE HALL EXTERIOR SIGNAGE HERE. REFRESH IS A LIVE MODEL TO PROVE THE WORKFLOW CONCEPT, CODE CHECK, MATERIAL, SPEC INSTALL, AND IT CAN BECOME A TANGIBLE PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE STOREFRONTS OR OTHER CITY UPGRADES. AND THEN A COUPLE. THESE ARE JUST WE'RE THROWING THIS OUT THERE AS FAR AS KIND OF DIRECTIONAL, BUT A FEW IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES OR OPTIONS MINIMAL. DO JUST AN ADOPT A GOOD REPAIR PLUS
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SANDWICH BOARD CLARITY. BEGIN MONTHLY WALKTHROUGHS, MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. ADDING ILLUMINATION STANDARDS WITH THE CODE RECOGNIZING TWO TWO FRONT CASES. ROLLOUT OPTIONAL CITY SANDWICH FRAMES, AND THEN MORE OF AN ACCELERATED WOULD BE PILOT. REALLY MORE OF A MODEL STOREFRONT AND OR LIMITED MATCH FUNDING TO SPEED TURNOVER FROM AGING SIGNS TO COMPLIANT EXEMPLARS. THE MODEL STOREFRONT. I WILL SAY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS KIND OF A GOOD, BETTER, BEST OPTION IF IT'S HIDDEN WANTS TO UPDATE THEIR SIGNAGE FROM SOMETHING THAT IS STANDARD THAT WE SEE WITH THE PLACARDS OUT HERE, THE NAVY PLACARDS, THE FRAME ELEMENTS ON THE CORNERS TAKING A LOOK AT HOW DO WE ELEVATE THOSE AND HELP THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL AS AN EXTENSION TO THE AMAZING ARCHITECTURE THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE, IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T DEPART TOO FAR FROM WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY, AND IN A WAY THAT'S AFFORDABLE FOR THE TENANT AND THE CITY, BUT GIVES US SOME OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT, I THINK FOLLOW ALONG WITH WHAT WE'LL SEE IN THE IN THE PREVIEW ROOM, THE THE EVENING LIGHT, THE ILLUMINATION STANDARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON PART OF OUR WALKTHROUGH, I DON'T KNOW THE SHOPPING STRIP NAME IT'S NEXT TO. IT'S NOT ELLIOT'S, BUT IT'S THE ONE IN FRONT OF. BEFORE THAT, THE 12 BUSINESSES THAT ARE IS THERE A NAME FOR THAT STRIP? THE NEW ALBANY EXCHANGE.SO I DID A NIGHT WALK THROUGH THERE. THERE'S FACING THE ROAD. THERE'S 40. THERE'S 42 LIGHTS THAT ILLUMINATE 12 BUSINESSES. 18 OF THE 42 WERE BURNT OUT OR NOT LIGHTING, AND 12 TWO OF THE 12 BUSINESSES WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT WERE FULLY LIT OUT OF THOSE 12. NOW, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IF THAT'S THE THE LANDLORD OF THAT STRIP. RIGHT. AND THEN HOW DO WE HOW DO WE CREATE ILLUMINATION STANDARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, HELP PUSH THEM ALONG OR NUDGE THEM? AND THEN I NOTICED WITH ELLIOT'S WHERE THAT THAT SHOPPING STRIP IS, 100% OF THE LIGHTS WERE ILLUMINATED. BUT THE CALVIN WAS ON THE POLAR OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM AS THE OTHER. IT WAS VERY BLUISH WHITE, WHERE THE OTHER WAS LIKE A NICE WARM, I THINK LIKE 2700 OR WHATEVER THAT IS. SO ANYWAYS, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS AND WHY WE WHY WE'RE KIND OF LAYING THEM OUT HERE. SO WHAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THIS EVENING IS KIND OF AN ENDORSING OF WHAT WE SEE IN THE PREVIEW ROOM AS, AS PART OF THE PROCESS AND KIND OF A REVIEW CANVAS FOR THE PILOT AND GREENLIGHT DRAFTING LANGUAGE FOR GOOD REPAIR, ILLUMINATION, SANDWICH BOARDS AND KIND OF THE THE TWO FRONT RECOGNITION WITH THE POTENTIALLY ADDING A MODEL PILOT FOR A MODEL STOREFRONT. AND THEN MAYBE IF THERE'S OPENNESS TO A MONTHLY DISTRICT WALK THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S US OR, OR WE EXPLORE A PROGRAM, HOW DO WE DESIGN THAT TO KIND OF HELP KEEP THOSE STANDARDS INTACT? AND THEN LASTLY, CONSIDERING ALLOWING US TO EXPLORE THE MODEL STOREFRONT DEMONSTRATION, WHICH I JUST MENTIONED, SO WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'LL DELIVER NEXT. IT'S KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW WE PROCEED TONIGHT WITH WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED HERE. BUT I JUST LISTED A FEW THINGS FOR CONSIDERATION. GLENN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? OKAY. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I JUST I HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF UNEXPECTEDLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD MY COMMENT BEFORE I DO THAT. I THINK THIS IS THE AGENDA IS VERY MUCH ON POINT. I MEAN, THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE CALLED OUT ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO I WILL MAKE A POINT TO GET WITH STAFF TO IF I IF IT'S OKAY TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT THE PREVIEW ROOM AND THEN I CAN CIRCLE BACK WITH ANY COMMENTS I HAVE. SORRY TO HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF, BUT I ANDREW, I'LL EMAIL YOU A PDF. THAT'D BE GREAT IN THERE. NO THANK YOU. I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS, I REALLY AM, SO I'M SORRY TO HAVE TO STEP OUT, BUT THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOOD. IF THERE AREN'T ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS, WE'D LOVE TO TAKE EVERYBODY INTO THE PREVIEW ROOM RIGHT HERE AND WALK THROUGH SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE SOME OF THE VISUALS FROM OUR ASSESSMENT AND SOME OF THE VILLAGE HALL SCHEDULES. I GUESS I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT.
SO WILL WE HAVE MEETINGS AND THEN THAT'S ON THE RECORD AND THEN WE THEN GO OFF THE RECORD FOR THE ROOM AND THEN COME BACK. AND WOULD WE HAVE TO SOMEWHAT REVIEW COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THAT ASPECT OF IT GOING TO WORK. YEAH. WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT.
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THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. I JUST WANT TO SUMMARIZE, BUT YEAH, ON THE RECORD, WE'RE JUST STATING THAT WE'RE GOING INTO ANOTHER ROOM TO REVIEW A PRESENTATION THAT CAN'T BE VIEWED ON ON THE SCREEN. IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN VIEWING THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE IT WITH YOU. IF THEY REACH OUT TO CITY STAFF AND THERE ISN'T ANYTHING PARTICULAR TO BE VOTED ON, CORRECT? YES. IT'S IT'S ANOTHER BUSINESS ITEM AND I BELIEVE OTHER BOARDS. ADRIAN'S JUST GREAT TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT ADRIAN HAS TWO OTHER BOARDS THAT REGULARLY MEET IN THAT ROOM OFF OF CAMERA. SO YEAH, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THE PUBLIC, EITHER HERE OR ONLINE. YEAH, YEAH. ANY DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE WILL HAPPEN IN THIS ROOM. YOU KNOW, ONCE THIS PROJECT REACHES, REACHES THE* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.