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THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 16TH AT 4 P.M. THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD. CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. BRUBAKER? MR. SELLARS, MR. BILLMAN, PRESENT TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. JUST PUSH THAT LITTLE PUSH BUTTON. YEAH. PRESENT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, MR. PAUL. PRESENT. MR. SMITHERS. MISS BONEY HERE, MR. HERSKOWITZ PRESENT, MR. CHAPPELL. PRESENT.
MR. HARPER HERE. WE HAVE SIX VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING REGARDING THE ORGANIZATION. IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I DO WANT TO SAY, AS FAR AS AN AGENDA CHANGE, AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE ACCORD'S PROCEDURES AND NOTIFICATION PROCESSES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MORE GENERAL TOPIC TOWARDS THE END THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADD. HEARING NONE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD
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WITH APPROVING THE RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS FROM THE APRIL 17TH, 2025 MEETING. ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES TO THAT? HEARING? NONE. I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION. I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. I'LL SECOND. I'LL SECOND MOVE. MR. PAUL. YES, MR. CAVALIER? YES.MR. BILLMAN? YES. MISS BONEY? YES. MR. HERSKOWITZ, I THINK I HAVE TO ABSTAIN SINCE I WASN'T AT THE MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. AS LONG AS YOU'VE READ THE MINUTES AND YOU THINK. YEAH, I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD, YES, YES. MR. HARPER? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL
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VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. ALL RIGHT. SEEING AS WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS, I WILL MOVE ON TO A NEW BUSINESS. IN REGARDS TO APPLICATION Z 25 ZERO 29 A4901 CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. I BELIEVE THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION. YES, MISS LATTIMORE, CITY OF COLUMBUS. TODAY WE WILL BE REVIEWING COLUMBUS ZONING APPLICATION Z 20 5-029, LOCATED AT 4901 CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. HERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON THE THE SOUTHERN HALF OF CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. THE APPLICANT WISHES TO REZONE TO C2 FOR TO CONFORM EXISTING OFFICE SCALE COMMERCIAL USES. CURRENTLY ZONED R RURAL. SOME INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO US ABOUT THE ABOUT THE PROPERTY BUILT IN 1972, 2300FT■!S, ONE STORY, APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRE LOT OF COURSE, HERE IN FRANKLIN COUNTY, AS WELL AS ACCESSORIES WITH A GARAGE, SIX SIX CAR GARAGE, STORAGE AS WELL IN THE OUTBUILDING AS WELL. AND THEN HERE WE HAVE A FEW SHOTS AS WELL THAT WAS SUBMITTED. OF THE EXTERIOR FEATURES. IT'S WORTH NOTING IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE NO EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, JUST REZONING TO CONFORM THE EXISTING USE. SO THESE THIS IS THE PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS. THIS IS THE THE ACCESSORY, THE THE BARN IN THE BACK. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY HAS PARKING ON THE SIDE AND THE REAR, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING AND THE IN A GARDEN AREA AS WELL. MORE SHOTS OF THE EXTERIOR. LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, NO EXTERIOR CHANGES BY MY UNDERSTANDING, JUST CONFORMING THE EXISTING USE. AND FOR CONTEXT OF THE SITE.LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD NEXT DOOR IS THE VINEYARD CHURCH AS WELL AS THE THE PARKING PAVILION NEARBY, AS WELL AS THE UPPER ALBANY WEST AND THE VILLAGE AT ALBANY CROSSING. DEVELOPMENTS. AS FAR AS AS FAR AS STAFF'S COMMENTS, STAFF PLANNING STAFF IN COLUMBUS SUPPORTED THE PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED, THE RECORD RECOMMENDS NATURAL RURAL CORRIDOR AND NEIGHBORHOOD USES, WHICH IS PROPOSALS INCONSISTENT WITH BUT AS A MITIGATING FACTOR FOR APPROVAL. OUR STAFF NOTES THAT THE REQUEST IS TO CONFORM AN EXISTING USE AND IS THEREFORE SUPPORTIVE. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT TO COME UP.
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ELSEWHERE. OH YES. I'M SORRY SIR, I DO NEED TO AND I'M FOLLOWING MY LITTLE ROLE CHEAT SHEET. I DO NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN SO YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. YES. FOR US, THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE THING. WE'VE BEEN USING IT SINCE 2004 AS AN OFFICE, AND WE'RE JUST ASKING IT TO BE REZONED. SO CONTINUE TO BE USED AS AN OFFICE. AND THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS. OKAY. QUESTION. THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE CHURCH PROPERTY. IS THAT WHERE A CHURCH PROPERTY IT IS A CHURCH PROPERTY CURRENTLY. YES. SO THE RURAL GIVES THE RURAL DESIGNATION GIVES A PERMISSION FOR A CHURCH TO USE AS A AS AN OFFICE, WHICH IT HAS BEEN SINCE 2004. YES. AND I'M SO I'M CURIOUS THEN FOR THE REZONING TO COMMERCIAL. IS IT GOING TO CONTINUE, DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE AS A CHURCH OPERATED? FACILITY, ACTUALLY SEEKING TO SELL IT? THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL TO SELL TO A TO A ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING AGENCY THAT WANTS TO JUST USE IT AS IS THE SPACE, AS IS, AS AN OFFICE. OKAY. SOME STORAGE AND A GARDEN THAT DON'T GROW SOME OF THEIR DEMONSTRATION PLANTS THAT THEY USE IN CONSULTING. GOTCHA. I WAS GOING TO ASK, AS OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL, IF IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE INSTITUTIONAL, BUT I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT IN THE SAME ANSWER, WHICH IS IT'S GOING TO BE A THIRD PARTY, NOT AT ALL RELATED TO THE CHURCH, NOT AT ALL RELATED TO THE CHURCH. YES, YES, WE SPECIFICALLY PICKED THAT AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PERSON FROM THE CITY GUIDANCE, BECAUSE WE WANTED SOMETHING THAT PROTECTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM SOMETHING NOISY. WE DIDN'T WANT THAT. WE WANTED TO JUST BE NICE, QUIET, GOOD RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. SO BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE CHURCH, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE FOR THE REZONING CHANGE. YES. YES. BECAUSE THE BUYER CANNOT BUY IT FOR THAT PURPOSE UNTIL IT'S REZONED. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH. I THINK YOU MENTIONED MENTIONED IT OVER HERE, BUT THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY MEETS THE RURAL SETBACK. FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE. SO. THE SETBACK. WHAT WAS IT, 100FT. I DON'T THINK IT'S 100FT OFF THE ROAD.I DON'T KNOW. IT'S TOUGH. SO I GUESS TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT QUESTION, I UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE USE RIGHT NOW, BUT WOULD ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BE NON-CONFORMING IF WE WEREN'T WERE NOT TO REZONE LIKE THE SETBACK SITE? OH NO. OKAY. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE NOW WITH THIS NEW ZONING WOULD COMPLY AS FAR AS. YES, LAYOUT AND PARKING AND OKAY. AND IS THAT KIND OF HELP YOUR QUESTION OR WHAT HOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT WE DOCUMENTED THE RURAL SETBACKS MAINTAIN REGARDLESS OF WHO OWNS THIS PERSON OKAY. THAT CAN BE A LITTLE TRICKY. OUR ZONING CODE IS CHANGING AS WELL. IT'S NOT NOTHING FINALIZED. BUT RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT SETBACK AND THE STANDARDS FOR ZONING ARE COMPLIANT. SO IF WHEN THIS DOES REZONE AND SAY SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO EXPAND THEIR BUILDING OR PARKING WITH THE NEW ZONING? AGAIN, THE ZONING CODE IS STILL IN IN PROGRESS. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROCEDURES SET RIGHT NOW AT THE MOMENT. BUT WE ARE DOING A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURVEYS TO, TO TO FIGURE WHICH AREAS SHOULD BE ZONED AND WHAT USES SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THEM. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER. SO IF THEY WERE TO I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THEY WERE TO ADD ANOTHER BUILDING, WOULD THEY BE COMING BACK TO THROUGH THIS BOARD PROCESS OR ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT SINCE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE USE TODAY, IF THEY WANTED TO ADD LIKE A NEW LIKE A BUILDING BEHIND OR BUILDING BEHIND, I DON'T KNOW, JUST NO, IT WOULDN'T COME BACK TO THE OKAY. AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE SAME ZONING. SO THE SETBACKS COULD CHANGE IF THERE WAS BUILDING EXPANSION. YEAH. POTENTIALLY. YES. IF THEY, IF THEY NEEDED PERHAPS SOME KIND OF A VARIANCE FOR SIDE OR REAR YARD COVERAGE OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD NOT COME BACK TO THE ACCORD, BUT THEY WOULD PERHAPS NEED TO SEEK ACTION AT THE CITY. YES.
CORRECT. IT WOULDN'T COME BACK TO THE ACCORD, BUT IT WILL GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS WITH COUNCIL. OKAY. AND A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ARE THE PROPERTIES ON EACH SIDE OF THEM? ARE THOSE
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ALSO CITY OF COLUMBUS? I BELIEVE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALL CITY OF COLUMBUS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MIDDLE PROPERTY IS. THAT'S KIND OF A WEIRD AREA SOMEWHERE.SUMMER, ONE SUMMER ANOTHER ON THE STREET. OKAY, WELL, I WAS JUST I WAS JUST WONDERING IF EITHER ONE OF THE PROPERTIES OR ANY OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA ARE PART OF PLAIN TOWNSHIP, AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY OF COLUMBUS? NOW, I NOTICED ON YOUR THING THAT YOU HAD UP THAT CAME OUT TO US THAT IT HAD COLUMBUS WATER, BUT IT STILL HAD ON SITE SEWAGE. YES, THE CITY HAS NOT BROUGHT ACROSS THE TAP. THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS WITH THE. WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY THE CITY LAWYER THAT THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING CROSS TAP WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN WIDENING CENTRAL COLLEGE RELATED TO THE PARK, AND THAT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO GET ON CITY SEWER. I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER AS TO WHETHER THAT APPLIES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. I KNOW IT APPLIES TO THE LARGER CHURCH PROPERTY. I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IT FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH, IT'S A REVISED CODE. IF THERE'S A PUBLIC SEWER LIKE WITHIN 200FT OF THE STRUCTURE WALL, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO TIE IN. YEAH, YEAH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL NOTICES FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO TIE IN WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO THEY CAN'T REQUIRE US UNTIL THEY BRING A TAP ACROSS. AND THAT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT OF WHAT I KNOW. OKAY. WELL, THE REASON I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE PROPERTIES ON EACH SIDE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE PLAIN TOWNSHIP OR COLUMBUS. IF IT'S COLUMBUS, IT'S KIND OF A MOOT POINT. BUT IF IT'S PLAIN TOWNSHIP, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, YOUR PROPERTY RIGHT THERE NOW IS CITY OF COLUMBUS. IT IS CITY OF COLUMBUS. BOTH BOTH PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN, THE LARGE CHURCH BUILDING AND THE OFFICE BUILDING UNDER QUESTIONER CITY OF COLUMBUS. OKAY. I WOULD ASSUME THE ONE IN BETWEEN IS. BUT YEAH, JUST OFF, JUST OFF TOP OF YOUR HEAD. DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR THE SETBACK IS FROM THE ROAD TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'M THINKING IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER NOW. YOUR CHURCH HAS PLENTY OF SETBACK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY SET OUT WITH THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD.
THEY WERE TRYING TO GET ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION BASICALLY BUILT BACK ON THAT LINE. SO YOU HAD A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM COUNTRY TYPE CORRIDOR COMING DOWN THROUGH THERE. AND I'M JUST JUST WONDERING IF IF EVERYBODY ELSE HAS DONE THAT ALL ALONG. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN RIGHT HERE WE'VE GOT THREE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BASICALLY RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN. BUT THEN WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT CHANGING AND DOING DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL OF WAX. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING MAYBE A LITTLE CONCERNED AS TO, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE NOW A POCKET OF THREE HOUSES THERE THAT ARE NOT THAT THEY'RE NOW GOING COMMERCIAL AND YOU RUN INTO THE SAME SITUATION YOU HAVE ON HARLEM ROAD, WHERE YOU PUT A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS UP A LOT CLOSER TO THE STREET. AND SO THAT PRETTY MUCH KILLS THE CORRIDOR EFFECT.
AND THAT'S THAT. THAT'S WHERE MY THINKING IS AT THE MOMENT, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR.
YEAH. WITH THE HEIGHT 35, THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GOING TO PUT APARTMENTS PROBABLY IN THERE. IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO REMAIN PRETTY MUCH SINGLE STORY. OFFICE IF WE DO THE ZONING, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM TALKING TO BRANDON TO THE CITY. MR. CHAPLER, ONE OF THE EXHIBITS WE RECEIVED IN OUR PACKET IS A LITTLE INSET FROM THE CITY ZONING MAP, AND IT DOES LOOK TO ME LIKE THE PROPERTIES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE STILL ANNEXED. THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY AS YET. THE CHURCH PROPERTY, WHICH IS TO THE WEST, I THINK IT'S REALLY TO THE WEST, BUT ALSO KIND OF SURROUNDS THE ANOTHER PARCEL. SO IT'S KIND OF AN L THAT WAS ZONED IN 2007, THE SAME TIME AS THE SUBJECT SITE. AND THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH EAST WAS REZONED IN 2010. BUT THOSE TWO PARCELS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE STILL NOT ANNEXED. THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY. IT LOOKS FROM THE OUTLINES OF THE BUILDING SHOWN THERE THAT THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE ROADWAY, BUT THEY'RE NO DIMENSION. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS EITHER. THE THE STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY EXISTING ON. THOSE PARCELS APPEAR TO ALL BE AT ABOUT THE SAME SETBACK, NOT INCLUDING THE
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CHURCH, BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THAT ON THIS LITTLE ZONING INSET. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.MAYBE FOR YOU. YOU SEEM TO BE PRETTY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THIS STUFF. THAT'S SCARY. YEAH. AT ONE POINT IN TIME, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT A CITY COULD NOT ENCIRCLE AN AREA AND CAUSE AN ISLAND. IS THAT NOT THE CASE ANYMORE, OR IS THAT STILL THE CASE? BUT NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO IT. I THINK THAT MAY BE A STAFF QUESTION, BUT IN THIS CASE THEY'RE NOT, BECAUSE THE SUBJECT SITE IS ACTUALLY CONTIGUOUS WITH THE SITE BOTH TO THE WEST AND THE EAST, BUT NOT FRONTING DIRECTLY ON CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. SO THERE'S NO QUESTION OF AN ISLAND HERE, I DON'T THINK. ANYWAY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DO YOU AGREE THE BACK OF THE OFFICE PROPERTY DOES CONNECT TO THE MAIN CHURCH PROPERTY? SO YES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. AND TO THE PROPERTY RESIDENTIAL TO THE RIGHT. IT CONNECTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ALL COLUMBUS. YEAH. BUT IF IT'S PURCHASED FROM ANOTHER GROUP, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE CHURCH IN ANY WAY. CORRECT. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USE. IF I COULD ASK STAFF, AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THIS, BUT THE THE PROPOSED ZONING, WHAT EXACTLY IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT? WE DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS AREA YET. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PHASE TWO STAGE LOOKING AT LAND USE. IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT, I CAN ACTUALLY FIND YOU THE WHAT WE'RE THINKING. BUT C-2, COLUMBUS, C-2 IS THE DISTRICT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.
WHAT? THE UCC OFFICE. BUT I'M INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT THE USE. CORRECT. OH, YEAH. I'VE GOT THE C-2 ZONING OFFICE FOR RESTORATIVE HEALTH FINANCE, INSURANCE FOR PUBLIC MISCELLANEOUS. LIKE CIVIC, PUBLIC, CIVIC ADVOCACY GROUPS, RELIGIOUS OFFICE FOR PROFESSIONAL, SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, NONCOMMERCIAL FACILITIES, ART STUDIOS, EDUCATIONAL LIBRARIES, PUBLISHERS. TESTING CONTROL. DAYCARE. TELECOMMUNICATIONS.
ANTENNAS ARE LIMITED BY THE AGE 35. VETERINARIANS ARE POSSIBILITY THERE. THE BASICALLY LIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL I THINK. YEAH C-2 YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS I LOOK AT THIS SITE, LET'S JUST CALL IT IT HAS TWO THIRDS THAT ARE SET TOWARDS THE CHURCH AND TOWARDS THE CENTRAL COLLEGE. BUT ONE THIRD SITS BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CREATES A LITTLE SQUARE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS FOR THE NEW OWNER TO. SPLIT THAT LAND, OR IS THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SOMETHING COULD BE BUILT ON THAT BACK ONE THIRD? THAT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS ABOUT SPLIT. YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO ASK HIM. AND AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT BUILDING NEW THINGS. I DO KNOW THAT WHAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US IS THAT THE NEW OWNER WILL HAVE, I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER OF MONTHS, BUT IT'S A SET NUMBER OF MONTHS TO PUT A SCREENING UP, WHICH CAN EITHER BE A FENCE OR IT CAN BE A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF PLANT TREE, TYPE OF SCREENING TO SCREEN THE PROPERTY FROM ANY AREA THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BUYERS, AND THEY'RE AMENABLE TO THAT. SO IS THERE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN A C-2 DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD THAT COULD HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION IF THAT WOULD BE SPLIT OR NOT IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. SO AND I KNOW YOU KEEP SAYING THAT. SO, SO ARE THEY REQUESTING A ZONING THAT DOESN'T EXIST? THE REQUEST THEY'RE REQUESTING A ZONING THAT MIGHT NOT EXIST SHORTLY. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S A NEW ONE.
THE ZONING INITIATIVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVENTUALLY IN PHASE TWO COULD ARRIVE AT SOME NEW ZONING DESIGNATIONS FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA. SO I'M LOOKING AT I'M LOOKING AT OUR ZONING MAP. AND THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE A NEW PROPOSED LAND USE OR ZONING FOR THIS PHASE, BUT IT WILL IN THE FUTURE. OUR PHASE THREE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 2027, BUT FOR NOW, THE CURRENT ZONING WILL STILL APPLY. SO THE CURRENT ZONING DOES DOES IT HAVE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THE FOR COMMERCIAL USE OR AN OFFICE USE? I BELIEVE SO. ALL I KNOW IS THAT WE WERE TOLD BY BRANDON THAT THIS IS THE ZONING THAT WE SHOULD REQUEST BASED UPON THEIR REVIEW
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OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S THE EXTENT I CAN TELL YOU UNDERSTOOD FROM THE CITY. YEAH, I THINK THE THE BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A FAIR STATEMENT. I THINK WE'RE JUST QUESTIONING IT FOR ANY FUTURE, ANYTHING AFTER THIS OR YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS STAY THERE.BUT I THINK WHAT WE HEARD IS THAT THERE'S NO PART OF THE ZONING PHASE TWO. CORRECT.
THERE'S NO PLANS FOR THIS DISTRICT OR FOR THIS AREA. NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT THERE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE AS WE PLAN TO REZONE ALL OF THE. OKAY, SO I KNOW THAT'S THE FUTURE, BUT IS THERE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THAT PHASE THREE IS GOING TO BE FOR THIS AREA? OH, NOT AT THE MOMENT. WE HAVEN'T. OKAY. BUT ONE THING TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT, AGAIN, THE ENTIRE CITY OF COLUMBUS AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO COME UNDER THIS NEW ZONING CODE, RIGHT. AND THESE PARCELS, UNLIKE OTHER KINDS OF REZONING ACTIONS, THESE PARCELS, WHEN THAT LEGISLATION IS ENACTED, WILL IN EFFECT BE REZONED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATED ANYTHING. BUT SO EVEN IF IT IS ZONED AND PASSES OR REZONING TO C-2. COLUMBUS, C-2 DISTRICT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IT COULD EFFECTIVELY BECOME SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT. A DIFFERENT 34 DISTRICT, A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION. BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THEIR OFFICE ZONING AWAY FROM THEM. YEAH. SO I WOULD NOT EXPECT SO. SO THIS IS A LIKE A TEMPORARY BAND AID TO CONTINUE THE USE OF AN OFFICE UNTIL THE NEW ZONING CODE IS UP AND READY. YES. AND I DID WANT TO MENTION WHEN THE NEW ZONING CODE DOES GO INTO EFFECT, ALL CURRENT EXISTING PROPERTIES ARE GRANDFATHERED. YEAH, YEAH. UNLESS YOU WERE TO TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN, TRY TO START SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW, IN WHICH CASE YOU'D HAVE TO FALL UNDER THAT WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE PANEL. YEAH, I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS IS THAT WE'RE REZONING IT FOR THE CHURCH, BUT COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF THE CHURCH USING THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
BUT WHEN IT'S COMPLETELY A BLANK NEW ZONING AND IT'S NOT AN LC2 THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IT'S ACTUALLY A FLAT C-2, CORRECT? OKAY. SO THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THE PROPERTY, AND THE PROPERTY GOES PRETTY FAR BACK, RIGHT, TO LITERALLY ALMOST THE SIZE OF EXISTING HOUSES. AND MOST OF THAT ENTIRE STRETCH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S A FACT. THERE ARE SOME BUSINESS USES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE EAST, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN THE TOWNSHIP OR THEY'RE IN THE CITY. WELL, THE NEW THE NEW OWNER, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT, THE WAY THE ROAD COMES AROUND THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HE COULD LITERALLY SELL OFF 2 OR 3 LOTS RIGHT THERE FOR HOMES AND JUST KEEP A SMALLER PROPERTY. YOU'D HAVE TO PROBABLY GET SOME EASEMENTS FOR ACCESS TO THOSE LOTS. BUT YES. YEAH, I GUESS I'M THINKING MORE LONG TERM. IF THIS IS A FLAT C-2 ZONING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE RIGHT NOW. IT COULD BE ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE. THE HOUSE COULD BE TORN DOWN. YOU COULD BUILD TO THE BACK OF THE LOT. COLUMBUS. YOU CAN GO TO FIVE FOOT WITHIN A PROPERTY LINE. I MEAN, WHAT PROTECTION DOES THAT OFFER FOR ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THE LONG TERM? GOOD POINT.
SO I KNOW WE'RE ONE OUT OF 4 OR 5 BOARDS. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY? AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO DO SOME SCREENING. WHAT PHASE OF THAT? WELL, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. ARE WE THE BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE OR RECOMMEND THAT THAT THE THAT THE REAR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HAS SUFFICIENT LANDSCAPING OR BUFFERING ALONG ALONG THE RESIDENCE THERE, OR ARE WE JUST USED TODAY? I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, HAVE YOU BEEN TO COUNCIL YET OR THE OTHER COMMISSIONS? I WENT TO THE COMMISSION AND WE WENT THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW. THAT APPROVAL, BOTH THOSE PLACES, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL PASSES. WE'RE NOT GOING ANY FURTHER THAN THAT. AND COUNCIL, ARE YOU GOING TO COUNCIL AT ALL? WE HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER FOR US TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. I'M TOLD WE HAVE TO HAVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM ALL THREE. WE GOT POSITIVE FROM TWO. OKAY. THIS IS THE LAST BODY THAT NEEDS TO GIVE US POSITIVE FOR US TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THEY NEED THEY NEED AN APPROVAL FROM THIS PANEL IN ORDER TO GO TO COUNCIL.
YEAH I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IS THERE YOU KNOW, ARE WE ABLE TO OFFER THOSE TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS? YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS THE RESIDENTS TO THE TO THE REAR SIDE AND THE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WHAT DIRECTION IT'S FACING. OH IT IS SOUTH OKAY. TO THIS THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDE. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ADD AS A, AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. OR. THAT'S LIKE AFTER APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, CAN YOU MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE COUNCIL. YEAH I JUST DIDN'T AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE
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ARE WE TAKING ACTION TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CONCEPTUAL. IT'S OPTIONAL. WE CAN IF YOU HAVE FEEDBACK OR RECOMMENDATIONS THEY CAN PROVIDE CERTAIN THINGS OR MAKE CERTAIN THINGS CLEAR OR DELINEATED DELINEATED. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER APPROVAL IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL WITH, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVAL OR THE APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION OR NOT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PANEL.AND THEN COUNCIL WILL MAKE WHATEVER DECISION THEY MAKE. BUT AS FAR AS CONDITIONS AND REVISIONS HERE AT THE PANEL LEVEL, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, COLUMBUS DOES THE CONCEPTUAL APPLICATIONS FIRST. SO IN CASE THERE ARE THINGS TO ADDRESSAT AO THE PLAN. SO TO CLARIFY AND I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED IT, BUT I'LL ASK ANYWAY. THIS TODAY WAS INTENDED TO BE A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. AND THE EXPECTATION WAS IT WOULD COME BACK AGAIN BEFORE THIS PANEL. SO TYPICALLY, YEAH, THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. BUT FOR NEWER DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THIS IS EXISTING AND THEY'RE THEY JUST WANT TO REZONE TO CONFORM THE USE. THE PANEL DOES HAVE AN OPTION TO VOTE ON IT TODAY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT. THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT VOTE, WE COULD INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING SCREENING ET-CETERA THAT WOULD CARRY FORWARD TO SUBSEQUENT AGENCIES THAT ARE GOING TO HEAR THE CASE. YES. IF YOU HAVE A CONDITION OR A RECOMMENDATION, PLANNING STAFF AT THE CITY WILL REPRESENT THAT AT COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE OF THE APPLICANT, IF I COULD. YES, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE NEW OWNER WOULD BE PUTTING UP FENCING AND COMPLIANCE WITH COLUMBUS ZONING BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND THIS PROPERTY. CORRECT. SO WOULD THEY BE PUTTING THAT IN ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH AND EAST, RIGHT UP AGAINST THOSE HOUSES? YEAH. THE WHAT THEY WROTE IS ANYTHING THAT ABUTS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WILL NEED TO HAVE THAT SCREEN. SO BASICALLY THAT THAT KIND OF FELL THROUGH THERE. AND, AND THEN BECAUSE, WELL, I THINK THE ONE IN BETWEEN US, I THINK THAT'S STILL ZONED RURAL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE. ON THE WEST SIDE. IT'S BUT IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT. THANK YOU. SO IT IS SAYING IT IS SAYING UNDER THE CODE WHAT SHE'S BRINGING UP TO ME RIGHT NOW THAT THERE HAS TO BE A 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR SCREENING. IS THAT WHAT'S SAYING 3321 .09 IS THE SCREENING. SCREENING SHALL BE PROVIDED AND MAINTAINED WITHIN 20FT OF ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS. THAT'S THE REASON I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD APPLY TO THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. THAT'S WHERE PROPERTY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY STILL ZONED RURAL LIKE OURS WAS, IS THE ONE TO THE EAST, IS THE ONE TO THE EAST, RESIDENTIAL ALSO THE ONE TO THE EAST. I'M SURPRISED YOU SAID THAT WASN'T ANNEXED BECAUSE I HAD HEARD, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT IT HAD BEEN ANNEXED IN. I'M LOOKING. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO, BUT BUT BUT I NEVER BOTHERED TO VERIFY THAT. I JUST HEARD THAT I'M TAKING A LOOK AT OUR MAP AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE COLUMBUS. YEAH. NO. OKAY, OKAY. SO WHOEVER TOLD YOU WAS WRONG. SO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY TOLD ME ANNEXED AND THEN. SO I IF I COULD JUST SPECULATE ABOUT WHAT I THINK COULD HAPPEN HERE EVENTUALLY AND I'M SPECULATING, I'LL BE VERY CLEAR AT SOME POINT. IT'S POSSIBLE MAYBE NO INTENTION TO DO IT NOW THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD BE ANNEXED. IS IT. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS THIS ALSO THE CHURCH? NO, NO, IT'S A GUY NAMED SAM SAID HE'S A HE'S A RETIRED MECHANIC WITH COLUMBUS POLICE DEPARTMENT, OKAY? AND HE HAS NO INTENTION OF MOVING UNTIL HE WHENEVER THAT UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE OCCURS. HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT SOON.
HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT SOON. I'M. I'M ANTICIPATING THIS PROPERTY COULD MAYBE BE PURCHASED BY THE CHURCH. EVEN THERE IS THE INTEREST ON THE CHURCH'S PART OF DOING THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MORE CONTIGUOUS. AND AT THAT POINT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT COULD BE EVENTUALLY BECOME ONE SINGLE PARCEL OR MULTIPLE PARCELS IN THIS ENTIRE AREA. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE WOULD STILL BE REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING FROM RESIDENTIAL HERE. AND MAYBE THAT WOULD ADDRESS A QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THIS PERSON, WHICH MIGHT OCCUR IN THAT NEW SPACE. SPACE. BUT THAT'S AGAIN, I AM SPECULATING. THAT'S REALLY NOT YOUR CONCERN RIGHT NOW. YOUR ONLY REQUIREMENT, ACCORDING TO THE CITY, IS YOU MUST SCREEN HERE
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AND HERE, AM I RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS. YEAH. IF I MIGHT JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT HERE. IF THIS NOW IS CITY OF COLUMBUS. BUT THIS SIDE IS PLAIN TOWNSHIP AND THIS SIDE IS PLAIN TOWNSHIP. AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE GO ALONG WITH THE ZONING. THE INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS THIS DECIDES, WELL, HEY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY NOW HE'S GOT A MUCH LARGER BLOCK AND NOW WE'RE TALKING. OKAY, WELL, WHAT IS THE SETBACK GOING TO BE. BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THESE HOMES ARE, I THINK, CLOSER THAN WHAT THE SETBACK IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT AREA JUST LOOKING AT HERE. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES ACROSS HERE, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF WHERE THE LINE WOULD BE THAT FAR BACK, AND THESE ARE CLOSER TO THE ROAD. BUT ANYWAY, THEN THIS INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE ALL OF THIS. IF HE RECLASSIFIED EVERYTHING C2, THEN THIS WHOLE BLOCK COULD BE C2 IT. HE COULD DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH IT. JUST ONE OBSERVATION THOUGH, THAT AGAIN, IT PROBABLY WHENEVER THAT HAPPENED, IF IT HAPPENED WOULD NOT BE C2. IT NOW BE UNDER TITLE 34 AND THE SETBACKS ARE FAR LESS IN THE ZONING CODE. THE ANTICIPATED SETBACKS, IN FACT, THE CITY'S SORT OF STANDARD NOW IS TO PUT STRUCTURES CLOSER TO THE ROAD AND HAVE ACTIVITIES BEHIND THEM.AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THERE IS SOME CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO RESPECTING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THEIR APPEARANCE AND BEING FAIRLY CONSISTENT UP AND DOWN THE RIGHT OF WAY. LIKE THIS. BUT AGAIN, AT THAT POINT IT WOULDN'T PROBABLY BE A C2 DISTRICT OR THEY WOULDN'T BE APPLYING FOR IT. THEY WOULD FALL UNDER TITLE 34. DO YOU AGREE? YEAH. SO WE'RE ALL LEARNING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH TITLE 34 EVENTUALLY. YEAH. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, C2 DOES NOT ALLOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN OFFICE. IT DOES NOT ALLOW RETAIL OR OF ANY NATURE. IT'S JUST SIMPLY OFFICE. BUT IF ALL THREE, IF ALL THREE OF THEM WERE LISTED AS OFFICE, YOU COULD PUT UP A STRIP, RIGHT? STRIP OFFICES THERE. YOU TALK ABOUT OFFICE CONDOMINIUMS OR SOMETHING? YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT'S PERMISSIBLE UNDER C2. WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO A REZONING TO MAKE THE LOTS ONE LOT AND HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FOR THAT REZONING, OR POTENTIALLY A VARIANCE IF YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. SO IT MIGHT NOT COME BACK HERE FOR MAKING THE THREE LOTS. ONE. NOT HERE TO THIS PANEL. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH US. AS YOU'RE HEARING, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT, AND IT'S SORT OF MAKING US THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE HERE. THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS. WE AS A CHURCH, WE WOULD HATE TO SELL SOMETHING THAT TURNED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAINST US BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WE SOLD. WE ZONED TO.
SO WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED BRANDON CARPENTER AT THE CITY TO HELP GUIDE US TO A ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO RETAIN VALUE, NOT HAVE SOME DETRIMENTAL THING HAPPEN. AND THIS IS WHAT HE RECOMMENDED TO US. I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT AN EXPERT IN ACTUAL ZONING, BUT THAT WAS OUR INTENT. COULD OUR RECOMMENDATION INCLUDE TO NOT WE ENCOURAGE TO NOT EXPAND IMPERVIOUS AND BUILDING AREA? I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ADD AS OUR RECOMMENDATION? BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T BECOME A STRIP MALL OR SOMETHING BIGGER IN THE FUTURE. IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE THAT WE TAKE TO COUNCIL, USUALLY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
SO MAKING RECOMMENDATION ON THE CURRENT EXISTING CODE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN. AND THEN THE LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CODE WILL CHANGE AS WELL. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR THE THE THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD CARRY OR IF IT WILL REMAIN SO. I THINK THAT'S THE THE ONLY CONSTRAINT HERE. SO THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, ARE THEY STILL ISSUING REZONINGS WITH LIMITATION TEXT. YES. AND THEN THEY COULD DO THAT UNDER THE OLD CODE AS WELL. YES. AND WOULD THEY TAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM US IN DOING THAT AS AN LC2. AS AN LC2, I, I BELIEVE SO I CAN DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I DO BELIEVE SO. I MEAN, I'M NOT COMPLETELY
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AGAINST THIS. I'M JUST THINKING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT COULD BE BUILT ON THAT SITE IN THE FUTURE, AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A FENCE ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S TYPICALLY THOSE ARE TYPICALLY INSTALLED ON THE PROPERTY LINES. SO IF THEY'RE WITHIN 20FT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THERE'S GOING TO BE A 20 FOOT SETBACK. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? WE'D HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DANIEL SEGOVIA, AND I REPRESENT THE THE BUYER. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE HAD WITH THEM. AND WITH THE SELLERS, THAT THEY WILL BY ALL MEANS FOLLOW EVERY SINGLE GUIDELINES THAT WILL PRESENT OR BE ASKED TO FOLLOW. IN ADDITION TO THAT WILL BE THE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE RECEIVED IS THAT IF. THE C2 IS APPROVED, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE WILL BE. THE FENCE, RIGHT? OR. BUT THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF BUILDING OR EXPANDING OR RAISING MORE STRUCTURES. WHAT THEY DO, THEY THEY DO NOW AS THE THEY'RE A CONSULTING COMPANY, RIGHT? SO THEY JUST WANT TO USE THE BUILDING JUST AS IS, IT FITS EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE. THEIR THEY'RE FROM HERE JUST A SMALL FAMILY BUSINESS. AND WESTERVILLE. AND THEN THEY SEE THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT FITS THE CRITERIA FOR THEIR. WELL I GUESS FOR THEIR BUSINESS. AND THEY ALSO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE. WELL IN TAXES AND PAY PROPERTY TAXES AND SO ON. THAT WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. SO I DO NOT KNOW THE FUTURE. AND I REALLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND CONCERNING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THAT COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WILL DO IN THE FUTURE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTING THEM THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR HEARTS TO KEEP IT JUST THE WAY IT IS AND PUT THE FENCE UP, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. AND YEAH, JUST THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. THANKS. YEAH THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU SIR.AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND PLEASE DON'T INFER FROM OUR CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE ANY DISTRUST OF YOU OR YOUR COLLEAGUES. THE ISSUE, THOUGH, IS THAT WHATEVER ZONING IS CHANGED HERE, WHATEVER THE ZONING DESIGNATION IS, WHATEVER'S APPROVED ATTACHES TO THE LAND, NOT NECESSARILY TO YOU AND TO YOUR COLLEAGUES. AND SO WHEREAS AS MUCH MAYBE MORE CONCERNED IN THE LONG RUN ABOUT PERHAPS IN SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FROM THIS SITE, WHAT COULD REPLACE IT WITHOUT ANY ZONING REVIEW? IF WE WERE TO SOMEHOW MISS SOMETHING OR SO WE'RE TRYING TO COVER ALL THE BASES. IT IS NO DISRESPECT TO YOU OR YOUR COLLEAGUES, AND WE APPRECIATE KNOWING YOUR INTENTIONS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE INTENTIONS DON'T COME INTO PLAY HERE VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. WHAT I'M WHAT I'M HEARING. AND LET ME JUST HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. IF THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM ALL THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S GOING TO SEVERELY LIMIT THE SPACE BACK THERE TO, TO BUILD. AND THAT IS PART OF THE CURRENT ZONING CODE. AND AS YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY NOTED, AND WHEN I WAS AT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BEFORE I GOT TO SPEAK TO THEM, THEY DID A LONG PRESENTATION ON THE CHANGES OF CHANGES UPCOMING IN ZONING.
NONE OF US HERE REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT, RIGHT? THEY COULD CHANGE IT. IF WE CHANGE IT TO C-2, THEY COULD CHANGE THAT COMPLETELY. THEY COULD ALSO CHANGE EVERYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED ON A RURAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME ALLOW A WHOLE BUNCH MORE BUILDING OR A WHOLE BUNCH MORE STUFF TO GO ON AS WELL. SO THAT ONE FEELS LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH A HYPOTHETICAL. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH C-2 THAT HAS A 20 FOOT SETBACK AGAINST ALL THE RESIDENTIAL. THAT WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW PROPERTY, IT WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT THE ABILITY FOR IF THESE BUYERS DECIDED TO SELL AND SOMEBODY CAME IN, THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT LIMITATION IN THE CURRENT ZONING FOR BEING ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING ON THE BACK HALF OF THAT PROPERTY. IF YOU DON'T MIND. STAFF, IS THAT
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CORRECT? C-2 HAS A 20 FOOT SETBACK ALL THE WAY AROUND. IT IS. IT'S NOT THE C-2 THAT HAS 20 FOOT SETBACK. IT IS THE IT IS THE CORRELATED SCREENING THAT COMES WITH C-2 BEING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. SO IT IS. I GUESS IT'S TECHNICALLY PART OF C-2. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT ANY C-2.IT'S ANY C-2 THAT ABUTS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, HAS THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK. AND THERE'S WHERE YOU EITHER PUT THE TREES OR THE BUSHES OR THE FENCE AT THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU PUT A BUNCH OF TREES IN WHICH I THINK THEY WILL, AS AN ECOLOGICAL CONSULTING COMPANY, PROBABLY OPT FOR PLANTS RATHER THAN THE FENCE, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ANYTHING BUILDING IS EVEN FURTHER SETBACK UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO RIP ALL THAT STUFF OUT, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP A FENCE AND, YOU KNOW, SO WOULD THAT STILL APPLY TO THE PROPERTIES ON BOTH SIDES THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT? IF THEY ARE, IF THEY ARE RESIDENTIAL, NOT RURAL, YES. OR DO THEY NOT LOOK AT IT AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF COLUMBUS, THOUGH THEY DO LOOK AT IT. THEY LOOK AT THAT. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
SO SO WHAT YOU SAID WAS CORRECT FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES WITH THE SCREENING FOR DIFFERING USES, THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND THE WEST ARE CURRENTLY NOT NECESSARILY PART OF COLUMBUS. THEY COULD BE ANNEXED IN THE FUTURE, BUT AS OF NOW WOULD HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SCREENING TO THE THESE PROPERTIES HERE. WITH THAT SETBACK, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR THIS PROPERTY TO THE EAST OR WEST. OKAY, OKAY.
SO I GUESS HEARING THAT ANOTHER COMMISSION MADE THE LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE SUPPORT THE EXISTING OFFICE USE TO BE CARRIED OVER TO THE NEW ZONING REQUEST AT C-2. AND I ALSO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT US PREDICTING THE FUTURE IS NOT GOING TO BE VERY APPLICABLE TO OUR DECISION, BECAUSE ZONING IS VERY UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, I, I SUPPORT THE EXISTING USE. I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE BOARD. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. I READ IT ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT. WHAT WAS THE OVERALL SCORE? FOR THE PANEL? WHAT PERCENTAGE DID THEY HAVE ON THAT? I DID SEE A LOT OF NOT APPLICABLES, BUT YEAH, AND THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF NON-APPLICABLE IS BECAUSE THE USE IS SO THE PROPOSED IS IT'S SO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD USES THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA. I CAN I HAVE THE SCORE RIGHT HERE. LET ME PULL IT UP, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE SCORE WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY LOW AND 46%. YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S MAINLY BECAUSE THE USE IS SO DIFFERENT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD USES, COMMERCIAL USES. BUT AS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE JUST NOTICED THE MITIGATING FACTOR FOR APPROVAL AS BEING IT'S ALREADY EXISTING. IF THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL TONIGHT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD HELP US A LOT WOULD HELP ME IS IF WE COULD SEE A SITE PLAN WHERE WE ACTUALLY SHOW THE FENCING, WHERE WE SEE THE SCREENING. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED AROUND THE SITE.
YEAH. IF IF THE PANEL DID NOT WANT TO VOTE ON THIS FOR ACTION TODAY, WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT FOR SITE PLANS OR MEASUREMENTS OR DETAILS AND COME BACK FOR ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF THAT'S THE ROUTE THE PANEL WANTS TO GO. I WANT TO SHARE THIS MOMENT IS THAT MY CLIENT HAS BUDGETED FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO BE FENCED, AND THE ONLY REQUIREMENT THAT HAS BEEN, AT LEAST TO US, THAT THE FRONT IS NOT NECESSARY TO BE FENCED. YEAH, CORRECT. CORRECT. UNDER THAT ASSUMPTION, THEY HAVE BUDGETED TO TURN THE ENTIRE PERMIT. EXCEPT THE PART. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. OR AT LEAST THE. IF I MAY ASK, WHAT ARE YOU CONSIDERING? THE FRONT FRONTING CENTRAL COLLEGE? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? OKAY. LIKE FRONTING THE ROAD. OKAY. WAS THE FENCING ALSO ADDRESSED AT THE THAT THE OTHER COMMISSION OR WHATEVER OTHER BOARD MEETING THEY HAD? DID THEY MENTION FENCING AT THE. THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. NO, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
SOUNDED LIKE THEY BASICALLY HAVE IN MIND MADE UP BEFORE I EVEN SAID ANYTHING, BECAUSE I'VE SAID WHAT I'VE SAID AT THE BEGINNING IN 20S, AND THEY WENT RIGHT DOWN THE LINE AND UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED IT, SAID, IT MAKES SENSE. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. SO, OKAY, SO THERE WERE
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THERE WERE ZERO QUESTIONS. THEY SAID IT'S BEING USED THE SAME WAY AS IT'S BEEN USED SINCE 2004. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S ALL THEY SAID. SO. I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. ONE WAS WE'D LIKE TO PERHAPS SEE A SITE PLAN THAT GIVES A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AS TO WHERE FENCING IS PROPOSED AND LANDSCAPING. THERE WAS ALSO A SUGGESTION OF AN LLC TO A LIMITED C-2, SOME KIND OF A LIMITATION TEXT THAT WOULD LIMIT THE USES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF COLUMBUS ULTIMATELY COULD BE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. I GUESS, AGAIN, THE QUESTION BEFORE US. I'M HEARING, THOUGH, THAT PERHAPS FOLKS DON'T WANT TO JUST APPROVE THIS WITHOUT THOSE FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF THOSE MATTERS. IS THAT RIGHT? TONIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S I GUESS THAT THIS IS JUST I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS, RIGHT? NO. OKAY. SO I GUESS, LIKE DELAYING THE PROCESS OR CONTINUING IT AND ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION TO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON, SEEMS, MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY, OKAY? ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION OR WHICHEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE PANEL REQUESTS. OH, SO WE WOULD GET IT AGAIN ANYWAYS. YES. YES. OKAY. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE YEAH. WE USUALLY BRING IT TO THE PANEL FIRST JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK OR ANY MORE INFORMATION THAT THE PANEL WOULD NEED. OKAY. I'M SORRY. WE'LL VOTE ON IT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. YES, BUT THE PANEL CAN VOTE ON IT TODAY. BUT IT IS OPTIONAL. BUT WE WILL COME BACK NEXT MEETING CYCLE FOR ACTION OKAY. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD CLARIFY WHETHER WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE APPLICANT. I THINK THE THE SITE PLAN IS NOT A BIG ASK. THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING. EXCUSE ME, CHAIR FALLSTAFF SOMETHING YOU'RE INTENDING TO PRODUCE ANYWAY, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF YOUR APPLICATION FOR CITY COUNCIL, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.SO COMPLIANCE PLAN AS WELL. ULTIMATELY A SITE COMPLIANCE PLAN, RIGHT. I GUESS THE LARGER QUESTION THOUGH, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO RESOLVE IS ARE WE RECOMMENDING A LIMITATION THAT IS LIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONING RATHER THAN COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHICH IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY MOVING FORWARD WITH? ARE WE ALLOWED TO RECOMMEND THE ZONING THAT THEY DIDN'T APPLY FOR? YOU CAN RECOMMEND IT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO REAPPLY UNDER THE NEW ZONING. RIGHT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T CHANGE. AND THERE'S AN EXPENSE ASSOCIATED EXPENSES TO THAT. RIGHT AS WELL. SO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. YES. SITE PLAN. WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT IN THAT? DO YOU JUST WANT THE MAP LARGER WITH THE LINE FOR WHERE THE 20 FOOT MARK IS, OR COMPLIANCE? I THINK UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE LANDSCAPING AND THE SCREENING IS GOING TO BE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY RENDERING OR ANY IMAGES OF WHAT THE FENCING WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, YEAH, WE USUALLY BE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S ON A NEW BUILD. SO, SO THE CODE GIVES US. YEAH, THE CODE GIVES ACTUALLY THE BUYER WOULD BE THE ONE DOING THIS.
THE CODE GIVES THE BUYER FENCE. AND THEN VERY SPECIFIC. YOU KNOW THERE HAS TO BE X NUMBER OF PERCENT SCREENED WITHIN FIVE YEARS. IN OTHER WORDS THEY COULD PLANT TREES THAT GROW INTO THE EFFECTIVE SCREENING IN FIVE YEARS IS CODE SENSE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT A DEFINITE PLAN FOR EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO PLANT OR DO, OR ARE YOU WANTING TO JUST.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE MAIN CONCERN OF THIS COMMITTEE AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, IS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING ON THE BACK PART OF THAT LOT. IF THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN. THEN IS A SITE PLAN THAT JUST SHOWS THAT 20 FOOT LINE GOOD ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU A BETTER VISUAL OF OF WHAT PROPERTY WOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH SETBACKS. SO THAT YOU WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING IT WAS OR WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO REALLY BUILD ANYTHING BACK THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? WHAT ARE YOU WHAT I'M ASKING? WHAT DO YOU NEED TO FEEL CONFIDENT IN MAKING A DECISION? I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THE PANEL IS JUST ASKING FOR A SITE PLAN WITH LIKE MEASUREMENTS AND DETAILS, JUST FOR MORE INFORMATION. AS FAR AS LIKE SETBACK POTENTIAL FENCING. YEAH, REALLY. I'M SORRY IF IT WAS JUST LIKE AN ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN THAT SHOWED WHAT YOU WERE PLANNING FOR LANDSCAPING AND I UNDERSTAND YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW EXACT PLANNINGS, BUT IF THERE WAS CERTAIN HEIGHTS THAT WE
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UNDERSTOOD, AND WITH THE FENCE TYPE AND THE HEIGHTS OF THAT AND WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE.THIS IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED BY THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A NEW DEVELOPMENT. YOU WANT, YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO HAVE A AERIAL, A RENDERED VIEW OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. IF IT WAS A NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU'D PROBABLY BE PRODUCING A SITE FORMAL SITE PLAN AND MAYBE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, SO FORTH. AND AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN EXISTING USE. YOU'RE NOT REALLY DOING THAT. BUT IF YOU COULD PREPARE SOMETHING THAT APPROXIMATES THAT, I THINK THAT GAVE US DIMENSIONS OF THE PARCEL AND OF THE FEATURES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FENCING AND LANDSCAPING.
WE ARE THE BUYER. WE OR THE BUYER ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE WERE WE WERE TOLD BY BRANDON THAT THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR THIS APPLICATION. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THERE IS NO SITE PLAN, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD BY THE CITY THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARY. IF I COULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES, AS YOU DID, WOULD THAT MAKE YOU MORE CONFIDENT? WOULD THAT GIVE YOU MORE CONFIDENCE IN THIS? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT I THINK SO, OKAY, YEAH. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT WITH THESE JUST FOLLOW THE THE COLUMBUS CODE 3219 .09 I MEAN IT REALLY DICTATES WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW FAR HOW TALL IT'S GOING TO BE. THAT WOULD NOT SUFFICE.
JUST KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE WORDS OF THAT CODE SAYS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S IN THE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCED. YOUR COLLEAGUE HAS SUGGESTED, THOUGH, THAT IN COMPLYING WITH 3219, I THINK YOU SAID THAT WOULD LIMIT THE POTENTIAL FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE. AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE CODE DOESN'T TELL US. AND I THINK WE WERE SUGGESTING YOU WERE THINKING THAT WOULD HELP TO SEE THAT THAT'S ILLUSTRATED, THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT SPACE IN THAT SOUTHERN PORTION TO DEVELOP IT FURTHER. IF YOU COMPLY WITH THE CODE, WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE OR YOU NEED TO SEEK VARIANCE, BUT YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO THAT. IT WAS SORT OF A COLLATERAL EFFECT, THOUGH, OF COMPLYING WITH THE CODE THAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEANT, BUT I THINK I MAYBE I DID NOT CONVEY MY MY QUESTION CORRECTLY. THE CODE THAT I MENTIONED THAT THE SCREEN. RIGHT. THE ONE THAT LITERALLY DICTATES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE 20 THAT YOU MENTIONED AND ALSO LIKE THE, THE HEIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO. BUT THEN IN THE COMMISSION REQUEST ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE VISUALLY. BUT LET ME ASK BECAUSE I'M I THE ENTIRE SITE IS 1.45 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS. IS THAT RIGHT? BUT WHAT I'M NOT AND MAYBE I'M NOT SKILLED AT ESTIMATING WHAT'S THE DISTANCE ACROSS THIS DIMENSION OF THE SITE. DO YOU RECALL OFF THE TOP? I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT THE, THE GRASS AREA IN THE BACK IS 20, 49 ACRES, RIGHT? 26 BUT I GUESS I'M TRYING TO GET FROM THAT TO THIS DIMENSION, OR MAYBE THE DIMENSION OF THIS BOUNDARY DOWN HERE. YOU DON'T KNOW RFM. OKAY. WHAT'S THE LOT SIZE? SORRY. WHAT IS THE LOT WIDTH SIZE.
RIGHT. AND WE COULD PROBABLY FIND IT ONLINE, BUT I'M JUST AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SUGGESTION IS THAT A 20 FOOT SETBACK AND SCREENING AND SO FORTH WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WITHIN THE SITE TO THE POINT IT WOULDN'T BE VALUABLE FOR THE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT SOME FOLKS ARE THINKING COULD HAPPEN. AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, ALL RIGHT, 20FT FROM WHAT? HOW MUCH SPACE IS LEFT, WHAT IS AVAILABLE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS A SUBMITTED SITE PLAN WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. LIKE MEASUREMENTS. YEAH. IT'LL BE VERY HELPFUL TO BE SUBMITTED. IT WOULD DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT THE BUYERS AND SELLERS WOULD DO THAT TO YOU. AND CAN I CLARIFY I DON'T THINK FOR OUR PURPOSES YOU NEED TO HIRE A SURVEYOR TO DO THAT. I MEAN, YOU COULD DO THAT JUST FROM AN AUDITOR'S MAP. I DON'T I'M NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY, AN ARCHITECT OR WHATEVER. AN ENGINEER DOESN'T NEED TO BE AN ENGINEER. DRAW YOUR CONCERN. OKAY? ULTIMATELY, YOU'LL NEED THAT FOR A COMPLIANCE PLAN, BUT NOT FOR ME PERSONALLY. SO. OKAY. CAN I CLARIFY THAT? FOR YOU TO SAY WHAT I ORIGINALLY SAID? BUT I'M HEARING OTHER PEOPLE ASK FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M WALKING AWAY, CLEARLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS WANTED. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS USING THE AUDITOR'S MAP AND USING THEIR MEASUREMENT TOOL AND DRAWING LINES SHOWING EXACTLY WHERE THE 20FT IS. AND IN ADDITION, WE
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COULD LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE AND SAY, OKAY, IF THIS IS C-2, WHAT'S THE SETBACK FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? DRAW THAT IN AND A RENDERING SHOWN THE VISUAL SHOW YOU THAT I'M HEARING OVER HERE. I'M HEARING WE WANT TO SEE A MOCK UP OF FENCE AND FOLIAGE AND FOR THAT, FOR THAT SCREENING. WELL, I THINK WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR IS A DETAIL ON THE FENCING.LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SECTION ON A FENCE DETAIL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SMALL ELEVATION, SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. WE ARE STILL OKAY. SO I THINK WE WOULD STILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING BUILT. BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE ACTUAL I MEAN, IF YOU GO OUT, YOU MAY HAVE A BOUNDARY SURVEY ALREADY. IF YOU DO, THAT'S GREAT. YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IT WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE LOT. BUT IF YOU HAVE IF YOU FIND YOURSELF HAVING TO GO OUT AND HIRE A SURVEYOR TO GET THE EXACT METES AND BOUNDS ON THE PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT CRITICAL TO ME IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD GET THE AUDITOR'S. COUNTY PROPERTY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND PUTTING MEASUREMENTS AND LINES ON THE RIGHT PLACES FOR YOU OR FOR ME. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY. I WOULD SPEAK TO THE SAME THING WITH THAT. THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ARE WE DONE? SO DO WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION OR. NO. NO ACTION RIGHT NOW. DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED AS FAR AS FEEDBACK, SUBMITTING A SITE OR NOT EVEN A SITE PLAN? SUBMITTING, YOU KNOW, MEASUREMENTS? DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED THERE? BECAUSE YOU CAN SUBMIT THAT VIA EMAIL TO US. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO REVIEW, AND I'LL JUST GIVE THE PANEL A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING. I DON'T HEAR AN ECHO. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU JUST SAID, PUT OUR PLAN TOGETHER, SEND IT TO YOU SO YOU'LL HELP US MAKE SURE WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED. YES. IF YOU SUBMIT THE PLAN FOR THE MEASUREMENT, IT COULD BE EVEN A SCREENSHOT FROM THE AUDITOR'S SITE WITH THE MEASURING TOOL. IF YOU CAN JUST SUBMIT THE MEASUREMENTS TO US AND IT'LL COME BACK TO THE PANEL. THE PANEL WILL REVIEW IT.
GIVE THEM GIVE THEM A BETTER IDEA. OKAY. I THINK THE TWO GOALS IS, IS IT HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE TO SQUEEZE ANOTHER BUILDING IN THERE? AND WHAT TYPE OF BUFFERING ARE YOU PROVIDING FOR THOSE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? AND WE COULD JUST CALL IT AN EXHIBIT RATHER THAN A SITE. WE'VE BEEN USING SITE PLAN PRETTY GENERICALLY, BUT THAT DOES IMPLY SOMETHING THAT AN ENGINEER OR AN ARCHITECT PRODUCES. I THINK WE'RE HEARING NOBODY WANTS THAT LEVEL OF SOPHISTICATION. IT CAN BE SOMETHING YOU'VE DONE YOURSELF.
OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO I THINK BELIEVE THAT CASE IS. DONE FOR TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S NEW BUSINESS OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. NO, NO, NO ACTION RIGHT NOW. OKAY. YES. NEW BUSINESS I YES, I ASKED MOST OF THE CHAIR IF I COULD HAVE A FEW MOMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN TONIGHT JUST TO TALK ABOUT AN ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS AND A CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD WITHIN MY COMMUNITY. NORTHLAND. AND YES, I DISTRIBUTED A LITTLE HANDOUT HERE. MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME TALK IN THE PAST ABOUT THE NORTH. I'M SORRY, WERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING OR. OKAY, HAVE HEARD ME TALK IN THE PAST ABOUT THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL AND HOW IT INTERSECTS AND IN FACT, OVERLAYS A PORTION OF THE RFP AREA. AND THIS MAP IS INTENDED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL SERVICE AREA IS SHOWN IN RED. IT'S NOW ABOUT 37MI■!S. THAT INCLUDES AN AREA THAT NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS A COALITION OF CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS, OUR BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS THAT ARE THERE, ABOUT 25 ORGANIZATIONS. THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL HAS A SERVICE AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED. AND PART OF NCC IS OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. AND WITHIN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, WE ARE TREATED VERY MUCH LIKE NOT EXACTLY LIKE AN AREA COMMISSION IN. MANY OF YOU ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. SO WE ARE INVITED AND APPLICANTS ARE IN FACT REFERRED TO US TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING APPLICATIONS FOR REZONING, GRAPHICS VARIANCES, AREA VARIANCES THAT GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT, ETC. AND REZONING AND COUNCIL VARIANCES. NOW, IN THE AREA IN WHICH WE OVERLAP WITH ROCKY FOR CORD, WE DON'T HEAR REZONING THOSE. COME TO THIS PANEL AND GO ON TO OTHER CITY AGENCIES. WE DO HEAR
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WITHIN THE AREA THAT OVERLAPS ALL THOSE OTHER MATTERS. BUT WE DON'T HEAR REZONING. AND AS I SAID, WE'VE RECENTLY SORT OF NOT ANNEXED, BUT WE'VE EXPANDED UP TO COUNTY LINE ROAD ORGANIZATIONS CAN JOIN THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL WITHIN THOSE AREAS AND BECOME PART OF OUR COUNCIL AND LEARN ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND PARTICIPATE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. AS THAT AREA IS BEING VERY RAPIDLY DEVELOPED NORTH OF CENTRAL COLLEGE IN PARTICULAR, AND MAYBE ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE HAMILTON ROAD CORRIDOR, WHICH IS PART OF OUR AREA. COMMUNITIES THAT ALREADY EXIST THERE ARE VERY ANXIOUS TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S COMING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION AND SO FORTH. I MEAN, THE SAME CONFUSION THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THEM TONIGHT ABOUT THE FUTURE. AND AS PROPERTIES ARE BEING ANNEXED OR PROPOSED FOR ANNEXATION IN THAT AREA, THEY WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE NOTICE.THEY WOULD LIKE AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY CAN HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT ZONING GENERALLY, AND ALSO SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE PROPOSALS. THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, WILL NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN THEY RECEIVE AN APPLICATION FOR ANY KIND OF ZONING ACTION, SPECIFICALLY, WITH 125 FOOT RADIUS OF A PROJECT. WE WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HEAR A CASE BEFORE IT GOES TO A CITY BOARD OR COMMISSION, ALSO REQUEST THE APPLICANT DO THE SAME. NOTIFY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEY CAN COME AND MEET WITH US AND THE APPLICANT, LEARN WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, ETC. HISTORICALLY, THIS PANEL HASN'T REALLY HAD A FORMAL NOTIFICATION PROCESS, SO THE NEIGHBORS TO PROJECTS WE MIGHT HEAR ABOUT ARE NOT GOING TO HEAR THAT THEY CAN COME TO A MEETING BEFORE IT COMES UP FOR FINAL ACTION OF THE CITY. MY COLLEAGUES, PARTICULARLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, BUT MORE GENERALLY JUST NCC, WOULD LIKE IT VERY MUCH IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR US TO RECEIVE NOTICE IN THE FORM OF A NOTICE TO ME AS MUCH AS ANYBODY. I GUESS THAT A CASE IS COMING OR IS READY TO BE HEARD. BUT SOME THINGS IN THE PIPELINE WITHIN THE PARTICULARLY THESE AREAS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONTAINED WITH THE THE ACCORD AND THE OVERLAP, AND THAT WAY WE CAN INFORM OUR MEMBER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE AREAS. AND THEY CAN CHOOSE THEN TO PERHAPS NOTIFY RESIDENTS OF THE AREA THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO COME TO THIS MEETING AND LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, OR MAYBE SHARE SOME OBSERVATIONS OR CONCERNS THEY MAY HAVE. AND I THINK ALSO, SOME OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT GENERALLY HOPING FOR BETTER, MORE NOTIFICATION, MORE ADVANCED NOTIFICATION OF CASES. WE MIGHT HEAR ANYWAY, UNDERSTANDING THAT THINGS ARE SORT OF IN PROCESS. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT OF MY PROPOSAL. JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW NCC INTERACTS WITH THE COURT, AND ALSO THE ASK IS JUST IS THERE A WAY TO RECEIVE MORE ADVANCE NOTIFICATION SO WE CAN INVITE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO COME TO THIS MEETING IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO? YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS CRAZY TO ME, IS I USED TO LIVE THERE AT TAMARACK CIRCLE. YEAH, AND I CONSIDER THAT WORTH IT IS WORTH VERY MUCH. SO HERE IT IS. VERY MUCH SO. IN FACT, THAT'S WHERE I LIVE, JUST OFF NEXT TO NORTHLAND HIGH SCHOOL.
SO IT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL IN 1964. SO YES. SO ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT WHOLE, IS THAT A POLICY CHANGE? YES. I KNOW WE TALKED EARLIER, MR. PAUL, I THINK THAT SO OUR OFFICE, THE PLANNING OFFICE WITH COLUMBUS, WE ALSO NOT WE ALSO HANDLE ANNEXATIONS AS WELL. RIGHT. SO I DO BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT INFORMATION ABOUT ANNEXATIONS AND ZONING CASES CAN BE SENT OUT PROCEDURALLY. WE, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE OUR APPLICATIONS MUCH EARLIER IN ADVANCE THAN THE PANEL MEETINGS, BUT NOT EVERY APPLICATION WE RECEIVE MAKES IT TO THE PANEL. SOME OF THEM GETS WITHDRAWN, SOME OF THEM WILL GET POSTPONED. I DO THINK AN EARLIER NOTICE ABOUT A MONTH. WE USUALLY GET THEM ABOUT A MONTH OUT. WE CAN PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE PANEL ABOUT A MONTH OUT OF A POTENTIAL APPLICATION. BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE WITH THE EARLY NOTICE, THE WITH THE NOTICES, THE THE APPLICATIONS ARE TENTATIVE. YOU KNOW SOME THINGS COULD HAPPEN. THEY COULD GET WITHDRAWN, THEY COULD GET REJECTED ON ON ALONG THE LINE ELSEWHERE. BUT WE CAN'T PROVIDE WE CAN'T PROVIDE AN EARLIER NOTICE, NOT JUST THE PANEL BUT DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN TAKE BACK TO OUR STAFF,
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BACK AT OUR OFFICE TO WORK OUT A FEW OF THE DETAILS, BUT WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO NOTIFY SO MANY PROPERTIES AROUND, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF FROM THE NOT THE ACCORD. OKAY, I KNOW COLUMBUS DOES SPECIFICALLY LIKE WE DO NOTIFICATIONS, BUT THE THE COURT DOESN'T. YEAH. AND THIS BY THE WAY THIS TONIGHT'S CASE WAS A VERY GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF THAT BECAUSE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTHEAST OF THIS PROJECT. MIGHT HAVE BEEN VERY INTERESTED TO BE HERE. RIGHT. IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE MADE OUR DISCUSSION EVEN LONGER, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED TO BE, OR AT LEAST TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING BEING PROPOSED THERE. WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY NOT SO MUCH, BUT ALL THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN SPECULATING ABOUT. SO MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE BEST EXAMPLE, BUT IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY IT'D BE GOOD TO LET THE COMMUNITIES GENERALLY IN THE AREA OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS, KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. AGREED. YEAH, MY COUNTER TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT IS JUST MAYBE BIG PICTURE OF HOW COMPLICATED COLUMBUS'S ZONING PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, WITH AS MANY BOARDS THAT ARE ON THERE AS A RESIDENT, IF I GOT NOTIFICATION TO FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BOARD MEETINGS, HOW WOULD I KNOW WHAT ONE TO GO TO AND WHAT WHAT WHAT'S THE ONE I REALLY NEED TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT FOR? BECAUSE I THINK IT A LOT, A LOT OF THE APPLICATION AT AT OUR STAGE, I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, BUT THERE'S WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PURPOSE THAN MORE SO THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL LEVELS. SO I THINK IF YOU OVER NOTIFY PEOPLE AND IF THEY ONLY COME TO THIS ONE BECAUSE WE TEND TO BE THE FIRST ONE, DO THEY LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TRULY SPEAK AND THEIR VOICE IS HEARD WHEN IT COMES TO THE DECISION MAKERS? THAT'S THE CONCERN I WOULD HAVE WITH OVER NOTIFYING. YEAH, I GUESS TO CLARIFY, DAVE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE REZONINGS TO THE NORTHLAND COMMISSION OR THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING HAVING TO BE REVIEWED ALSO BY KNOW THE COMMISSION PROPOSING AGAIN, OUR AGREEMENT, OUR PRACTICE ANYWAY HAS BEEN THAT FOR REZONING LAND USE QUESTIONS. THAT'S IN THE COURT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NCC IS ASKING OR DEMANDING TO HAVE ANY SAY IN IT, BUT ONLY NOTIFICATION OF AND I EVEN NOTIFICATION DIRECTLY NECESSARILY TO NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA. ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER IN LINE WITH WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS IN OTHER PARTS OF COLUMBUS. BUT WE'RE WILLING TO SORT OF DO A LITTLE BIT OF LEGWORK IF WE KNEW SOMETHING WAS COMING EARLY ENOUGH THAT WE COULD SHARE WITH OUR MEMBER ORGANIZATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA, THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING COMING UP FOR CONSIDERATION. THEY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR RESIDENTS, MEMBERS OF ASSOCIATIONS, ETC. AND TO SAY THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR. YES, THEY CAN ATTEND THE MEETINGS IF THEY WANT TO. YEAH, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT OH, THAT RAISED A QUESTION. THE APPLICANT TONIGHT, THE THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE SAID THAT THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ON THIS CASE. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED SINCE IF IT'S IN THE ACCORD AREA, WE NCC DON'T RECEIVE ANY NOTIFICATIONS OF IT, BUT WE'RE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION'S PROCEDURES. DID THE 125 FOOT RADIUS THOSE NEIGHBORS RECEIVE NOTICE OF THEIR HEARING AT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THAT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR? I'M UNSURE. I CAN I CAN CHECK GET BACK WITH YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS.BUT USUALLY USUALLY. YEAH. THERE'S A NOTICE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE IN OTHER PARTS OF COLUMBUS AT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND ACTUALLY ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT DEAL WITH ZONING. SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST ASKING IF THE THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL CAN GET NOTIFIED, ONE MORE NOTIFIED OF REZONINGS OR PREFERABLY EARLY IF IT WAS FOR. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN I WOULD LIKE BE NOTIFIED EARLIER TOO, JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES SINCE THESE MEETINGS AREN'T CONSISTENT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING AS FAR AS OUR APPLICATION PROCESS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING CHANGING. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO APPLY WITHIN 30 DAYS AND THEN YOU ARE NOTIFIED THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE. I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THAT'S I'M SPEAKING HOW I DO IT AT MY MY CURRENT ROLE. YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE MEET SO INFREQUENTLY. YEAH. BUT YEAH WE ARE WE ARE IN THE TALKS OF, OF WORKING THROUGH OUR, OUR PROCEDURES AND OUR SCHEDULE FOR DEADLINES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE AN EARLIER NOTICE AND THEN ALSO CONSIDERING PROVIDING NOTICE TO THE COUNCIL, THE NORTHLAND COMMUNITY COUNCIL AS WELL, AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY BE INTERESTED. YEAH, I AGREE THAT
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IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE PANEL AND MAYBE HAVE COLLATERAL EFFECTS. ALSO, JUST IN TERMS OF LETTING COMMUNITY MEMBERS KNOW. SO YEAH, THANK YOU. THANKS. I THINK THAT ACCOMPLISHES MY GOAL.THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP. DOES THE MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO REPORT? I GUESS HEARING NONE I OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. NO. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING. OKAY. I JUST MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. AND DO I NEED A SECOND ON THAT ONE? I'LL SECOND. YES, MR. PAUL? YES. MR. YES. MR. HARPER. YES. MR. HERSKOWITZ YES.
MR. BILLMAN. YES.
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