[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE NEW ALBANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
EXCUSE ME. MEETING FOR TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, I WOULD INVITE EVERYONE WHO'S ABLE TO PLEASE STAND AND RECITE OUR NATIONAL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. COURT. MASON. THE ROLL, PLEASE. AND IF COUNCIL WILL TURN ON THEIR MICROPHONES, MAYOR SPALDING HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK IS OUT FOR WORK TRAVEL, AND HAS REQUESTED TO BE EXCUSED. COUNCIL MEMBER DEREK HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER. BELLOWS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER. WELCH HERE. I HAVE SIX PRESENT FOR THE OCTOBER 21ST, 2025 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AND I MOVE THAT WE EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF COUNCILWOMAN BRISK AS SHE'S TRAVELING FOR WORK. OKAY. THAT TIME I HEARD MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.
YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO EXCUSE. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING. ACTION
[4. ACTION ON MINUTES]
ON THE MINUTES PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, A COPY OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR OCTOBER 7TH MEETING WERE DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THOSE PROPOSED MINUTES? I RECEIVED NO NOTES. I WILL MOVE THEIR ADOPTION BY CONSENSUS[5. ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA]
ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA. WOULD ANYONE FROM COUNCIL LIKE TO RECOMMEND ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA? I UNDERSTAND THE CITY MANAGER HAS A REQUEST. IF TIME PERMITS, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR LAND PURCHASE. ALL RIGHT. THEN I WOULD MOVE THAT. LET'S SEE. WHAT IS THAT? UNDER OTHER OTHER BUSINESS, WE WOULD ADD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION JUST BEFORE OTHER BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE INCLUDE A POSSIBILITY OF GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO OHIO REVISED CODE ONE 2120 2G2 TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE IF PREMATURE DISCLOSURE OF THE INFORMATION WOULD GIVE AN UNFAIR COMPETITIVE OR BARGAINING ADVANTAGE TO PERSONS WHOSE PERSONAL PRIVATE INTERESTS ARE ADVERSE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST. SECOND.MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. YES.
COUNCILMEMBER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. KISS. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. WILTROUT. YES.
SIX. YES. VOTES TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE MAYOR'S MOTION.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IT TAKES US TO HEARING OF VISITORS. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKER CARDS FILLED OUT, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THEY'RE ALL FOR ONE OF THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE MEETING. SO THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE VARIOUS BIKE AND MOTORCYCLE LEGISLATION, THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE MEETING. BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC JOINING US THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO COUNCIL REGARDING A MATTER NOT ON THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO
[7. BOARD/COMMISSION REPORTS]
TAKERS. WE'LL GO TO BOARD AND COMMISSION REPORTS. ANY UPDATE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WE HAD A LOVELY TIME HERE LAST EVENING HERE UNTIL ABOUT 930 ISH FOR CASES. FIRST WAS A VARIANCE FOR A PATIO AND PERGOLA TO EXTEND, TO ENCROACH INTO A REQUIRED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND STRAIGHT LANE. THEY. IT WAS A REQUEST THAT THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN 15FT AND IN AN ENCROACHMENT. AND IT WAS VOTED DOWN 0 TO 5 BECAUSE THE BOARD FOUND THAT THERE WAS A AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE REQUIRED SETBACKS. THERE WAS A VARIANCE ON SOUDER ROAD THAT WOULD RAISE BUILDING HEIGHT. THAT WAS IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE A DATA CENTER. THE APPLICANT WAS STACK INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY REQUESTED TO RAISE THE BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 45FT TO 55FT. THE BOARD THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE, ULTIMATELY AGREED TO APPROVE IT 4 TO 1 BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING USES, WHICH WERE NOT RESIDENTIAL, AND THERE WERE ALL THE OTHER DATA CENTERS BASICALLY AROUND WERE 65FT BUILDING HEIGHT. MAYBE I SHOULD SAY MOST. I DON'T KNOW IF ALL, BUT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT'S TYPICAL. THE APPLICANT AGREED TO SCREEN ALL ROOFTOP MECHANICS CAN ONLY USE THE PROPERTY FOR DATA CENTERS. IF THERE'S ANOTHER USE, THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION OR THE HEIGHT ALLOWANCE WOULD NOT BE WOULD NOT BE IN EFFECT. AND THEY AGREED TO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO SCREEN FOR NEIGHBORS. THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL REZONING AT 66 600 NEW ALBANY ROAD. THE APPLICANT WANTED TO REZONE PROPERTY FROM URBAN CENTER CODE TO AN IPD TO ALLOW FOR AN OFFICE USE, WHICH WOULD BE[00:05:05]
ADMINISTRATIVE AND BUSINESS OFFICES. THERE WAS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT, BUT THE NEIGHBORS DID COME AND THEY SPOKE OUT AGAINST SOME SOME CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING USE OF THE DRIVEWAY PARKING AND JUST THE WHOLE PLAN. SO BECAUSE OF THOSE MAJOR ISSUES, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO TABLE THE APPLICATION AND WILL BE BACK IN TWO MEETINGS, I BELIEVE. AND THEN THERE WAS A REQUEST TO EXTEND THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE HARRISON ROAD TRIANGLE BATCH PLANT, WHICH IS A CONCRETE PLANT. THERE HAD BEEN NO COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS. THIS HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME. IT IS KEEPING TRUCKS OFF THE ROADS OF NEW ALBANY BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE THE CONCRETE HERE. THEY APPROVED THE CONTINUOUS USE NOT IN PERPETUITY, BUT FOR TEN YEARS, AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE THEIR CASE FOR CONTINUED USE OF FOR THAT USE GOING FORWARD. AND THAT WAS IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE UPDATE? PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD. THERE WAS NO MEETING IRB DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE FILLED IN FOR COUNCILWOMAN BRISK. NO. WE'LL CATCH THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS NO MEETING. SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD. THERE WAS A MEETING AND I STEPPED IN FOR CASEY WHILE HE WAS OUT OF TOWN.SO THE MEETING AGENDA INCLUDED. AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THE FOLKS ON THAT COMMITTEE ARE EXCELLENT, GREAT PEOPLE DOING A LOT OF GOOD WORK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. THE AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING THAT I ATTENDED WAS AN UPDATE ON POCKET PRAIRIES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE JUST BY RIDING AROUND TOWN, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, THAT THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND SHOULD BE IN FULL BLOOM NEXT SPRING THROUGH NEXT SUMMER. THEY WENT OVER THE TWO THE 2026 WORK PLAN AND BUDGET. ALSO THEY DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING THE PILOT CURBSIDE FOOD WASTE PICKUP PROGRAM, WHICH IS GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN. I DON'T KNOW, ADRIAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION OR NOT, BUT SOME OTHER INTERESTING TOPICS THAT CAME UP. WE DID HAVE A PERSON THAT CAME IN, WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT INCLUDING MORE EV CHARGING STATIONS AROUND THE CITY. GOOD DISCUSSION CAME OUT OF THAT, AND WE HAD LEARNED SOMETHING. I HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT IF WE PUT THESE MORE EV STATIONS IN, YOU'RE CHARGING FOR THEM. THEY CAN ALSO NOT ONLY PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BECOME A REVENUE SOURCE AS YOU'RE CHARGING FOR THE ELECTRICITY THAT CAN EITHER GO RIGHT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR IT CAN BE USED POTENTIALLY FOR CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS. BUT HAVING MORE EV STATIONS, PERHAPS DOING AN ANALYSIS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND DETERMINE HOW MANY ARE NEEDED FOR A SIZE, THE SIZE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH AND THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACES, AND THEY WOULD PAY FOR THEMSELVES POTENTIALLY, IF YOU WERE CHARGING FOR ELECTRICITY IN IN HAVING THOSE IN PLACE. SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. WHO'S THE VENDOR WASN'T A VENDOR. IT WAS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY THAT CAME IN AND WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DESIRE TO HAVE MORE EV CHARGING STATIONS IN THE CITY, AND THIS PERSON CAME EQUIPPED WITH SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING, HOW THEY'RE USING EV, HOW THEY'RE PLACING THEM. YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CHARGING FOR THE ELECTRICITY AND CAN BECOME A REVENUE SOURCE TO BE USED. OKAY. IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION IN GENERAL, AND THE COMMITTEE WAS SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE WAS VERY ENGAGED IN IT. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH BRINGING UP HERE THAT SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER, MAYBE DO A STUDY BASED ON THE NEED. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM? YOU KNOW, I GO BY THE ONES OVER BEHIND THE HYATT CENTER LOT AND THEY'RE STACKED UP WAITING IN LINE. SO PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER. THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION OF DOING TWO RECYCLING EVENTS A YEAR FOR BOTH HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, E-WASTE AND PAPER SHREDDING. WE ALL KNOW LAST YEAR HOW POPULAR AND BUSY THAT WAS, WITH THE LINE OF TRAFFIC GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, SO. AND WALNUT AND WALNUT. SO THAT BECAME A DISCUSSION TOPIC, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FUNDING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL ONE IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK COUNCIL MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER IF WE WANT TO DO THAT. THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF. SWICKARD WOODS, YOU KNOW, WHO'S WHO REALLY LOOKS OVER SWICKARD WOODS. IS IT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY? IS IT THE SCHOOL'S RESPONSIBILITY? DOES IT NEED REFRESH? DO THE PATHS NEED UPDATED? I'M NOT SURE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE WAS REALLY SURE OF THAT AS WELL. SO SOMETHING JUST THOUGHT I WOULD BRING UP HERE. PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. SO THE ACTUAL WOODS THAT'S SURROUNDED BY THE CITY'S PROPERTY ON THE
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605 SIDE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. YEAH. AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPEN SPACE WHERE WE SHOOT THE FIREWORKS. THAT'S THAT'S ALSO THE CITY PROPERTY. THAT'S WALKER WOODS WEST OF THAT, WHERE THE WESTERN PAVILION IS, IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARK DISTRICT. OKAY. SO IT'S COMPLICATED, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WAS. IT WAS COMPLICATED. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAYBE WE NEED BETTER OVERSIGHT OF IT IN GENERAL TO ENSURE THAT THE PASTOR UPDATED AND THE UNDERBRUSH AND ALL THAT'S CLEANED UP. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINS THE AMENITY. WE MAINTAIN IT AS AN AMENITY THAT IT IS FOR THE CITY. SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE WE WERE GOING ON THAT OTHER THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM, BUT PUMPKIN DROP OFF. SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE FOR THE PUMPKIN DROP OFF THIS YEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE HEIMER IS NOT ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE WORK BEING DONE OUT THERE. SO WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHERE THE PUMPKIN DROP OFF SITE IS GOING TO BE. SO THAT WAS IT. I VOTE FOR CHIP'S HOUSE. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. I HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN MY BACKYARD. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SUSTAINABILITY UPDATE? ALL RIGHT. ANY UPDATE FROM THE IDEA IMPLEMENTATION PANEL? SO WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO. TWO WEEKS AGO, WE DISCUSSED POTENTIAL WORK PLAN, AND I REALIZED I HAVE I THOUGHT MY IDEAL UPDATE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT DIWALI, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE SO LONG AGO. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME REALLY EXCITING EVENTS THAT WILL BE COMING. MOSTLY WE WE'RE THINKING OF DOING ANOTHER LECTURE, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR WITH TRAIN IN EDINBURG, NEW ALBANY 101 STILL THE SAME. SO THIS WILL ALL BE PART OF OUR BUDGET PROPOSAL. OBVIOUSLY, WE DISCUSSED DOING DIWALI AGAIN EVEN BEFORE WE KNEW ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS YEAR'S EVENT WOULD BE. WE HAD AN AMAZING WEATHER, AMAZING CROWDS. IT WAS SO WONDERFUL TO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF ATTENDANCE. NO, I THINK TOMORROW IS THE DAY WE CAN FULLY ATTEND. YEAH, I DO KNOW WE WERE AT CAPACITY A COUPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE EVENT. IT WAS. I MEAN IT WAS SO IT WAS SO WELL DONE. IT WAS SO WELL EXECUTED. CITY STAFF, I MEAN YOU ALL ARE JUST SO AMAZING. AND DOCTOR CYCLE WAS A WONDERFUL EMCEE. I'VE HEARD LOTS OF RESIDENTS JUST SUPER HAPPY ABOUT IT. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING THERE AND FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I DO KNOW THERE WAS A DOG THAT DID NOT ENJOY THE FESTIVITIES, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I KNOW THE CITY DID PUT OUT A NOTICE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE FIREWORKS. ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO PROVIDE NOTICE MORE BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY EXPECT FIREWORKS IN OCTOBER. BUT IT WAS IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS GOOD EVENT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT UPDATE? ALL RIGHT. CEMETERY RESTORATION ADVISORY BOARD, NO MEETINGS AND NO MEETING OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION. WOULD ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR COMMUNICATIONS NOT INVOLVING[9. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC HEARING]
E-BIKES THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE SINCE OUR LAST MEETING? ALL RIGHT. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC HEARING. ORDINANCE OH FOUR 2025, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTERS 3301 .0430, 1.2030, 1.36530, 1.3730, 1.5133, 1.1533, 1.3733, 7.1037, 1.0337, 1.0737, 3.0137, 3.0437, 3.0537, 3.0837, 3.17 AND THREE SEVEN, 3.13, AND ESTABLISHED CHAPTERS 33, OH, 1.55 AND 373.105 OF THE TRAFFIC CODE OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY CODIFIED ORDINANCES AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY. JOE. THANK YOU, MAYOR CHIEF JONES AND DIRECTOR ALBRECHT HAD WORKED ON THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION AND HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU. THE UPDATE IS BASED ON COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK AT THE LAST MEETING. THANK YOU MAYOR. MISTER STEFANOFF, THE FIRST MEETING WE HAD, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK ON ON SOME DESIRED CHANGES AND SOME SOME ITEMS TO KIND OF LOOK FURTHER[00:15:01]
AT. SO THIS PRESENTATION IS MOSTLY ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST READING, AND ALSO TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO SOME OF THE THOUGHTS ABOUT SPEED, SPEED LIMITS. AND THIS IS A GENERAL SAFETY. SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE ASKING TO MODIFY IS A 301 365 SHARED USE PATH. IF YOU RECALL THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF A SHARED USE PATH VERSUS SIDEWALK. AND AND IT IT MADE SENSE THAT WE NEEDED TO PROBABLY FURTHER DEFINE THAT NOT ONLY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT FOR OURSELVES AS OFFICERS AS WELL. SO WE PUT IN A DEFINITION. IT'S A GENERALLY PAVED AND IMPROVED BY ASPHALT AND ARE TYPICALLY EIGHT FEET OR GREATER. WE REALIZE THAT THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE THAT DEFINITION ISN'T EXACTLY THE RIGHT, BUT THAT GIVES US THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE PUT IT IN GENERALLY, AND IT GIVES US A BETTER GUIDELINE THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. THE SAME WITH SIDEWALK. AGAIN, WE PUT IN A PROBABLY A BETTER DEFINITION OF SIDEWALK, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT USUALLY LESS THAN FIVE FEET, AS YOU NOTICE, AROUND VILLAGE HALL AND MARKET STREET, THAT'S THAT'S THERE TYPICALLY A LOT LARGER THAN FIVE FEET. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A GENERAL DESCRIPTION. AND IT HELPS FURTHER DEFINE WHAT A SIDEWALK IS FOR ANYBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WONDERING FOR THE OFFICERS THEMSELVES. WE ALWAYS PREACH AND I THINK THIS WILL STILL HOLD, IS THAT IF WE RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT INTO ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS, CLEARLY, WE ALWAYS WE ALWAYS TEACH THAT IF IN DOUBT, DON'T. SO IF THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S A SIDEWALK OR A PATH AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, WE GENERALLY EITHER GIVE A WARNING OR NOT TAKE ACTION ON IT. 30155 POWERED SCOOTERS. SO AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, WE KIND OF NOTICED THAT WE HAD A GOOD DEFINITION FOR E-BIKES, BUT WE WERE KIND OF LACKING WHEN IT COMES TO THE POWERED SCOOTERS. SO THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. AND THE TEXT THAT YOU SEE THAT DEFINES POWERED SCOOTERS, THAT'S THE ORDINANCES TEXT IN ENTIRETY. SO IT'S NOT AN EXCERPT FROM THE FROM THE ORDINANCE. AND 37308 RECKLESS OPERATION COURSE AND SPEED. SO BASICALLY THIS BASICALLY WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE LEFT HERE DURING THE LAST MEETING, I THINK WE WALKED AWAY WITH THE CONSENSUS THAT TEN MILES AN HOUR WAS A GOOD SPEED.THE MAYOR ASKED US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOKED INTO THE PROS AND CONS AND ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. IT WAS WHAT WE DID FIND WAS RATHER ENLIGHTENING, AND I THINK WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WE'LL GET INTO FURTHER INTO THIS PRESENTATION THAT THAT MAY BE HELPFUL. AND 373 11 SO THIS WE CHANGED THIS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T ONCE THIS ORDINANCE IS PASSED, WE TALKED ABOUT POSTING LAWS AND RULES. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE AS A CITY THE OPTION TO. DO THINGS IN DIFFERENT WAYS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST STICKING A POST IN THE GROUND, PUTTING A SIGN ON IT. SO YOU'LL NOTICE THE NEW WORDING IS PROHIBITING APPROPRIATE SIGNS PROHIBITING SUCH USE, AND POSTED IS POSTED ON THE PATH IN A MANNER AND AT LOCATIONS DETERMINED BY THE CITY. SO THIS ALLOWS US TO EITHER USE PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
SIGNS, AND AND ALSO DETERMINING THE SPACING OF ANY TYPE OF. NOTICE THAT WE GIVE. TALKED ABOUT THE WHAT WE FOUND AS FAR AS THE LOOKING INTO THE SPEED LIMITS. WE DID FIND A LOT OF GOOD HELPFUL INFORMATION. SO ODOT, I GUESS TO BEGIN WITH THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE PARTICULAR SPEEDS AND WHAT'S THE BEST SPEED LIMIT OUT THERE? A LOT OF IT WAS ABOUT THE DESIGN OF PATHS AND, AND SOME OF THE NUANCES ABOUT PATHS THEMSELVES. WHAT WE DID FIND WAS, IS THAT THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF ODOT'S GUIDE FOR DESIGNING SHARED USE PATHS IS THAT I THINK THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO US, THE 12 MILES AN HOUR ON PAVED SURFACES. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE IN THE CITY. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, THE 15MPH FOR PAVED, HIGH VOLUME AND DIVERSE USERS. SO AREAS OF PATHS THAT HAVE A LOT MORE USERS AND THEY HAVE DIVERSE USERS LIKE E-BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE 18 TO 30MPH IS AN AREA THAT THEY SUGGEST IT'S PAVED BUT LOW VOLUME USERS, AND PARTICULARLY IN FLAT AREAS AND NOT A LOT OF TURNS AND CONTOURS.
I THINK WHEN I WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THESE DEFINITIONS I PUT FORTH IN THEIR DOCUMENT, I THINK THAT THE 18 TO 30, THOSE AREAS OF THE CITY I THOUGHT OF WERE MORE LIKE THE BUSINESS PARK. IF YOU GO OUT SMITHVILLE ROAD NEAR BEACH AND DOWN BEACH ROAD, THOSE ARE THE MORE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A RURAL AREA, BUT THE PATHS ARE SET UP LONG, STRAIGHT AND TYPICALLY NOT A TON OF USERS AS OPPOSED TO LIKE THE SCHOOLS AND THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO MOVING ON WITH ODOT'S DOCUMENT. YOU KNOW, THEY THEY HAD POINTED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW,
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YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE SET SPEED FOR THE JURISDICTION. YOU CAN VARY IT. THEY THEY DO SAY THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO VARY IT TOO MUCH, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT TOO OFTEN. AS FAR AS CHANGING THE SPEED TO AVOID CONFUSION WITH USERS. BUT AGAIN, I THOUGHT OF EXAMPLES THAT THAT IF WE WANTED TO GO THIS WAY, THAT THE PATHS AROUND THE SCHOOLS AND THE AND THE VILLAGE CENTER MAY BE A LOWER SPEED LIMIT, AS OPPOSED TO ONE THAT'S OUT IN THE BUSINESS PARK THAT THAT GOES DOWN BEACH ROAD, THAT MAY WANT TO BE A SLIGHTLY HIGHER SPEED. BUT EITHER WAY, IF WE IF WE IF WE DON'T PUT 10 OR 15 OR EXACT SPEED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PUT POSTED, THAT GIVES THE CITY A LOT OF OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD. IF WE FIND THAT WE WE PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER AND WE PUT THESE SPEED LIMITS OUT ON THESE PATHS, AND THEN OVER TIME THAT AREA CHANGES AND GETS DEVELOPED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPTION TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT IF WE WOULD LIKE. I ALSO JUST PUT DOWN THE REFERENCE BECAUSE IT WAS A LARGE DOCUMENT AND A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. IT'S THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF STATE HIGHWAY AND TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS THAT MIRRORED ODOT'S REPORT QUITE A BIT. AND AFTER I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I'M NOT SURE IF ODOT WAS MIRRORING THEM OR THEY WERE MIRRORING ODOT. SO.ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE FOUND IS 15MPH SEEMS TO BE THE MOST COMMON SPEED AS WE LOOK ACROSS THE UNITED STATES ON ON LEISURE TRAILS OR ON SHARED USE PATHS. AND REGARDS TO E-BIKE ACCIDENTS, THERE WAS NOT A TON OF DATA ON THAT. WE DID FIND A REPORT. AS WITH MANY REPORTS AND STUDIES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DATED. IT WAS FROM 2017 TO 2023, BUT AS FAR AS E-BIKE FATAL ACCIDENTS, COLLISIONS WITH MOTOR VEHICLES ACCOUNTED FOR MORE THAN HALF OF THE HALF OF THOSE COLLISIONS.
THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE WAS COLLISIONS WITH FIXED OBJECTS. AND THE LAST POINT THEY MADE, WHICH I BELIEVE THIS IS AN EXACT QUOTE, IS WITH PEDESTRIANS, CRASHES WERE MINIMAL. THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A NUMBER OR A RANKING. WE THOUGHT IT'D ALSO BE HELPFUL SINCE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SPEED IS TO HAVE A VIDEO, AND JOSH AND SAM DID A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. AND AND JOSH HAD A DUAL ROLE OF DIRECTOR AND ACTOR.
SO WE APPRECIATE THEIR WORK. WE ALSO THERE'S NO SOUND WITH THIS VIDEO. SO IF YOU'RE LISTENING, IF YOU'RE LISTENING FOR SOMETHING, THERE'S NO SOUND. AND WE PUT OUT A CALL TO YOUNG PEOPLE FOR A E-BIKE PARTICIPANT. AND WHEN THE PERSON SHOWED UP, IT WAS NOT AN E-BIKE, IT WAS A DIRT BIKE. BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEMONSTRATING SPEED, IT WORKED THE SAME. SO I'LL PLAY THIS. JEFF, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S GOOD. SO FOR REFERENCE, WHEN TALKING THE THE TWO WE WERE TALKING THE THE ELECTRIC. DIRT BIKE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL IDEA OF WHAT THE 10 TO 15 LOOKS LIKE. AND AGAIN THANKS TO JOSH'S TEAM DID A GREAT JOB. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. SO WITH THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE A COUPLE AMENDMENTS THAT THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT ARE MADE ON THE FLOOR ABOUT THESE ORDINANCES. THE FIRST ONE. IS 373. 085. THE TOP PART IS WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY SAYS. AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS FAR AS THE CHANGES IS THE ONE BELOW. SO THE ONE ON TOP SAYS A TEN MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON SIDEWALKS AND SHARED USE PATHS. AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS OR POSTED SPEED LIMIT ON SIDEWALKS OR SHARED USE PATHS. AGAIN, THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST RUN THROUGHOUT THE CITY INTO DIFFERENT AREAS, SO THAT CAN GIVE US AN OPTION AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT TO POST AND ALSO AS IT MOVES FORWARD, IF IF THE AREA CHANGES, WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE A CHANGE AS WELL. THE SECOND ONE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO BE AMENDED IS THREE, SEVEN, THREE, 11. THE BOTTOM ONE IS IS THE ONE THAT WE WANT TO RECOMMEND A CHANGE TO. SO NO PERSON SHALL OPERATE A MOTOR VEHICLE SNOWMOBILE, MOTORIZED BICYCLE, GOLF CART, BICYCLE, ELECTRIC BICYCLES, POWERED SCOOTER, AND OR ALL PURPOSE VEHICLE ON ANY SIDEWALK AND OR SHARED USE PATH WHEN AN APPROPRIATE SIGN PROHIBITING SUCH USE IS POSTED ON THE PATH IN A MANNER AND AT LOCATIONS DETERMINED BY THE CITY. SO ONCE THESE ORDINANCES BECOME OFFICIAL AND ENACTED, I THINK THEN WHAT WE HAVE TO MOVE TO IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO POST THIS AND NOTIFY USERS. AND SO THIS LANGUAGE WE FELT GIVES THE MAXIMUM OPTION AS FAR AS
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WHETHER IT BE A TYPICAL POST AND SIGN OR WHETHER IT BE PAVEMENT MARKINGS OR ANY OTHER OPTION THAT WE THAT WE USE TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT. SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. SO ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE ACTUAL TEN MILES PER HOUR AND AND JUST PUTTING POSTED SIGNAGE, WHICH I TOTALLY GET THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE ODOT SHARED SPEED LIMITS AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS. SO I GET THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT DO WE DO IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SIGNAGE POSTED ON A CERTAIN PATH FOR WHATEVER REASON? YEAH, THAT CAME UP DURING DISCUSSIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG BEACH ROAD BECAUSE IT'S IT'S AN EASY EXAMPLE. PROBABLY PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW, BUT IF THERE'S NO POSTING THEN ESSENTIALLY THERE'S NO SPEED LIMIT. SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE NOTIFIED OF THE SPEED LIMIT. SO IF YOU HAVE NO POSTING THERE ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE NO SPEED LIMIT. IT'S UNLIKE ROADS. IF IT'S NOT POSTED IT'S PRIMA FACIE 55. IN THIS CASE THERE IS NO DEFAULT SPEED LIMIT FOR LEISURE TRAILS OR FOR SHARED USE PATHS. SO IN THIS CASE, IF THERE WAS NOTHING POSTED, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE WAY IT IS NOW WHERE THERE'S NO SPEED LIMIT, BUT THEY WOULD STILL BE OBLIGATED TO OPERATE IT IN A REASONABLE AND PRUDENT MANNER UNDER THE CONDITIONS BASED UPON THE STATUTE. SO WHILE THERE'S NO SPEED LIMIT, THEY STILL HAVE TO OPERATE REASONABLY. THEY COULD STILL GET RECKLESS. YEAH. EXACTLY RIGHT. WOULD THIS BE LIKE A SEPARATE EXERCISE THEN TO SET THE SPEED LIMITS FOR EACH TYPE OF PATH AFTER WE IF THIS VERSION GETS ENACTED THIS EVENING. YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THE THOUGHT WAS AND WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT HAVE MADE ANY CONCRETE PLANS ON THIS. BUT THE THOUGHT WAS IN DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE, LET'S SAY, THREE DIFFERENT TYPE OF ZONES THAT THAT REALLY DETERMINE THE SPEED LIMIT. SO IT MAY BE COMMERCIAL AND SCHOOLS IS ONE, IT MAY BE RESIDENTIAL, ANOTHER, IT COULD BE MORE OF THE BUSINESS PARK, A BUSINESS PARK, RURAL TYPE OF CLASSIFICATION. BUT THE IDEA WAS, IS TO SIT DOWN AND DETERMINE THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND AND DETERMINING THE SPEED LIMITS THAT WOULD BE FOR EACH LEVEL. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WORKING WITH POSTED SPEED LIMITS. I DO KNOW THAT IN CITY CENTER ON SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS, A TEN MILE LIMIT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD VOTE FOR. WHETHER IT'S WHEN WE DO THE POSTING OR WHATEVER. I'VE HAD TOO MANY INSTANCES VISUALIZING PEOPLE DOING EXCESSIVE SPEEDS AND RECKLESS DRIVING THROUGHOUT CITY CENTER WITH PEOPLE WALKING AROUND ON THE SIDEWALKS THERE AS EARLY AS THIS AFTERNOON. SO I THINK THAT WHILE THEY CAN BE ON THOSE WALKWAYS, TEN MILES IS A MAXIMUM. BUT I WOULD SAY IN THAT AREA, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS THE WAY SOME OF THE BEHAVIORS BEING EXHIBITED.YEAH. AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION. SO IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE ORDINANCES THAT THAT DURING THE FIRST READING IS, IS THAT THE, THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT AN E-BIKE OR A POWERED SCOOTER CAN BE ON THE SIDEWALK IS THAT IT CAN'T BE POWERED, POWERED BY THE MOTOR. SO IF YOU SEE A SCOOTER, IT HAS TO BE THE OLD FASHIONED WITH YOUR FOOT OR WALKED. AND WITH AN E-BIKE IT HAS TO BE EITHER PEDALED OR WALKED. SO IN THAT. SO IF YOU SAW SOMEBODY DOING, I DON'T KNOW, LET'S SAY 20 ON AN E-BIKE, NOT ONLY IS THAT ONE, THEY SHOULD BE ON THE PATH OPERATING WITH THE WITH THE POWERED OR WITH THE POWERED ASSIST. SO IT COULD BE I THINK THAT OTHER ORDINANCE HELPS TAKE CARE OF THE SIDEWALKS IN PARTICULAR.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE INCORPORATE THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YEAH. HOW DO YOU HERE'S A QUESTION. I HAVE THE POSTING OF THE SIGNAGE. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN SOMETHING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT IN IF I'M GOING DOWN A LEISURE PATH, SOUTH CENTRAL COLLEGE, AND THEN I TURN INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEN I'M FORCED TO BE ON THE ROAD. AND HOW DO THEY HOW ARE WE TREATING THE SPEED ONCE THEY GET OFF A POSTED A POSTED LEISURE TRAIL, THEY'RE GOING TO GO HOME AND THEY LIVE FIVE BLOCKS DOWN INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE GOING DOWN DEAN FARM ROAD. WHAT? HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT? ARE THEY FORCED UP ONTO THE SIDEWALK? CAN THEY BE ON THE ROAD? WHAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO POST A SPEED LIMIT FOR E-BIKES ON THAT RESIDENTIAL ROAD. YEAH. SO THE THE SPEED LIMITS, THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR LEISURE TRAILS OR FOR SHARED USE PATHS. THE ROAD OBVIOUSLY THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE ROAD WOULD BE THE DEFAULT. BUT I THINK AS WHAT BEN JUST POINTED OUT, IS THAT SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ESSENTIALLY A DESIGNATED SPEED LIMIT FOR E-BIKES AND SCOOTERS ON THE ROAD. HOWEVER, THE RECKLESS OP, I THINK WOULD ALSO COVER THAT SITUATION THAT IF THEY WERE OPERATING AT AN EXCESSIVE SPEED, THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN LOOK TO. OKAY. I GUESS I UNDERSTAND THE THE RETICENCE TO DO A BLANKET TEN MILE AN HOUR
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SPEED LIMIT, SHARED PATH, WHATEVER. IT'S JUST IF YOU IF YOU'RE ON AN E-BIKE OR A POWER SCOOTER AND YOU WANT TO GO FASTER THAN TEN MILES AN HOUR, THEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION, AS YOU JUST POINTED OUT, TO BE ON THE ROAD. SO, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE AMBIGUITY OF CHANGING, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN TEN MILE AN HOUR AND 15.AND FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH TEN, YOU KNOW, REGULAR BIKES. I RARELY SEE CYCLISTS ON THE SHARED PATHS, LIKE AN EASY DAY FOR SCOTT IS 22 MILES AN HOUR, AND I BET SCOTT NEVER RIDES ON THE SHARED PATHS AROUND NEW ALBANY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE RIDE ON THE ROADS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR. SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I, I HAVE RESERVATIONS OF THE AMBIGUITY OF GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN HAVING TO POST EVERY SINGLE AREA. YEAH. AND IT KIND OF GIVES I MEAN, IT IT CONCERNS ME THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE CONFUSION AND THEN A LACK OF I HAVE THAT SAME THOUGHT AND I HAVE I HAVE A POTENTIAL IDEA THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION. I'M SURE YOU MAYBE ALREADY THOUGHT OF THIS, BUT WHAT IF WE HAD LIKE A DEFAULT SHARED LIKE SPEED LIMIT TEN AND THEN YOU COULD POST MAYBE OUT IN BEECH ROAD, RIGHT? YOU CAN GO CRAZY, YOU CAN GO 25 OR WHATEVER. THAT WAY THERE'S ALWAYS SOME STANDARD TO GO BACK TO, AND WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THE REASONABLY PRUDENT STANDARD. AND THAT WAS MY POINT FOR THE QUESTION ORIGINALLY, WAS MAYBE THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE A DEFAULT IN IN THE CITY. OKAY. IN THE CITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT UNLESS POSTED OTHERWISE. YEAH. AND THEN THEN WE'D HAVE THE POSTING THERE. THAT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER ON PATHS AND EVERYTHING.
IF WE HAVE THAT DEFAULT, WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY POST IT EVERYWHERE, BUT WE'D HAVE THAT TO TO LOOK BACK ON UNLESS WE POST IT OTHERWISE AND SAY 15 OR 20 OUT IN THE RURAL AREA.
OKAY, I DON'T KNOW, JUST A THOUGHT, BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU. I LIKE THAT I LIKE A TEN AND IF WE WANT TO POST IT HIGHER SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT'S FINE. BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE CITY, YOU KNOW ADJACENT CITY AREA HERE, I LIKE A TEN MILE LIMIT. LET'S FACE IT, WHEN SOMEBODY DRIVING THEIR CAR IS 25, THEY DRIVE 30. SO I'M NOT ABOUT TO SET A HIGHER LIMIT.
TEN A TEN, I THINK IS A FAIR NUMBER, ESPECIALLY WATCHING THE VIDEO. I GOT TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD TELL FROM THAT VIDEO A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN YOU WERE WALKING TEN AND WALKING 15. IT WAS VERY I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE POLICE NOTICE. I MEAN, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE, MAYBE BETWEEN 10 AND 15. THEY CAN SEE IT, BUT I DIDN'T NOTICE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE VIDEO, JUST TO BE HONEST. EXCEPT WHEN HE WAS RUNNING. YEAH. AND CHIEF, I KNOW IT MIGHT NOT BE PART OF YOUR THE PRESENTATION YOU HAD BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF THE AMENDMENTS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF NEW FACES IN THE CROWD TONIGHT THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR FIRST HEARING. AND IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE MAYBE 2 OR 3 MINUTES AND JUST STEP THROUGH CLASS ONE, TWO, THREE AND KIND OF THE LIMITATIONS AND THE THE NEW TEXT IS GOING TO APPLY TO THOSE OR MAYBE BEN. YEAH. AND THEN KIND OF THE CATEGORY OF THE DIRT BIKE AS WELL. YEAH. SO THE CLASS ONE E-BIKES IS ESSENTIALLY THE LOWEST LEVEL.
THEY THE. CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO, THEY BOTH HAVE A MAXIMUM SPEED. I BELIEVE IT WAS 20.
LET'S SEE. YEAH I BELIEVE IT'S 20. SO CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WE PUT IN THIS DEFINITION, WE ACTUALLY PUT THE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO TRAVEL.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY TRAVEL. BUT CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO THAT YOU CAN BE A JUVENILE AND OPERATE THOSE, THEY GENERALLY DON'T GO ABOVE 20 MILES AN HOUR. AND THEY'RE ALLOWED UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE SHARED USE PATHS AND AND NOT ON THE SIDEWALKS UNLESS THEY'RE THEY'RE BEING PEDALED. CLASS THREE IS WHERE YOU HAVE THAT REALLY BUMP UP. YOU HAVE TO BE I'M SORRY, CLASS ONE AND TWO.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO WEAR A BIKE HELMET FOR THAT. CLASS THREE YOU ALSO HAVE TO WEAR A HELMET.
YOU HAVE TO BE 18 YEARS AND OLDER AND IT HAS IT HAS TO MOVE TO THE ROAD. SO YOU CAN'T BE OPERATING THOSE ON A ON A SHARED USE PATH. SO AND SINCE BECAUSE IT'S AN OLDER PERSON AND AND THE E-BIKE GOES FASTER, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MOVING THEM TO THE ROAD. AND WHAT WHAT
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DISTINGUISHES A CLASS THREE FROM A CLASS TWO. THEY HAVE A GENERALLY I BELIEVE IT'S 28 MILES AN HOUR. SO THE CLASS THREE HAS A HIGHER TOP SPEED. AND SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ONE AND TWO OR BETWEEN ONE, TWO AND THREE. AND THE VEHICLE IN THE VIDEO. WOULD THAT BE A CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO OR CLASS THREE. WELL NO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT WAS KIND OF THE THAT WAS KIND OF THE MISFIRE WE HAD. OKAY. WITH PUTTING OUT THE CALL FOR. THAT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION. WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK. AND SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DIRT BIKES AND AND E-BIKES. SO DIRT BIKES ARE NOT E-BIKES. SO THEY'RE NOT IN ON THOSE CLASSES REGARDLESS WHETHER THEY HAVE PEDALS OR NOT. WELL THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET. SO YOU KNOW LIKE THE YOUNG MAN IN THE VIDEO, HIS BIKE, YOU COULD PUT PEDAL FUNCTIONING PEDALS ON THAT. HE DOESN'T HAVE THEM ON THERE. BUT YOU COULD ORDER A KIT AND PUT THAT ON THERE. YOU CAN ALSO BUY DIRT BIKES WITH FUNCTIONING PEDALS. YOU CAN ALSO BUY WITH FAUX PEDALS. SO AND SO. IT'S A LITTLE BIT AS THE ADVANCEMENTS MOVE WITH WHEN IT COMES TO E-BIKES AND DIRT BIKES, IT GETS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU HAVE A DIRT BIKE AND YOU PUT PEDALS ON IT, BUT IT DOES A MAXIMUM OF 48 MILES AN HOUR, THEN IT'S STILL NOT IT'S STILL NOT AN E-BIKE BECAUSE IT HAS IT'S SPEED AND CAPABILITIES, IS FAR GREATER THAN A CLASS THREE. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED IN LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD A COUPLE ACCIDENTS, ONE WITH AN ADULT OUT OF THE BUSINESS PARK ON A DIRT BIKE, AND THEN ONE IN TOWN WITH A DIRT BIKE WITH A JUVENILE. AND BOTH SITUATIONS, THE ONE I LOOKED AT THE TOP SPEED ON, THE ONE IN THE BUSINESS PARK WAS 48 MILES AN HOUR. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THE ONE IN TOWN THAT WAS A PRE-TEEN RIDING THAT, AND THAT WAS ALSO AROUND THAT 48 MILE AN HOUR, 48MPH MARK. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT ANY VEHICLE PEDALS, NO PEDALS THAT EXCEEDS 750W WOULD NOT FALL WITHIN CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, OR CLASS THREE AND WOULD NOT BE COVERED UNDER THIS ORDINANCE. CORRECT. AND THE DIRT BIKES, THE E3 IS THREE CAN CONTAINS ONES THAT EXCEED 750W. WE DIDN'T FEEL IT REALLY NEEDED TO ADDRESS DIRT BIKES SPECIFICALLY IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BECAUSE THEY THEY FALL OUTSIDE OF THE E-BIKES. SO WE WE WE DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS THEM AS E-BIKES. SO THOSE WOULD BE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE MAXIMUM SPEED OF THE BIKE, THE CAPABILITY, WHETHER PEDALS OR NOT IS IT COULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, A MOTOR VEHICLE, EITHER WAY, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CLASSIFY IT AS, IT'S NOT STREET LEGAL. SO THEY IT IT AND IT'S NOT STREET LEGAL TODAY. SO REALLY NO SPECIFIC ORDINANCE WAS NEEDED TO ADDRESS THOSE. WE HAVE BEGUN ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT'S BEEN LIGHT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE ORDINANCES. BUT ONCE THIS IS ALL PASSED, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE WHEN THE ENFORCEMENT BEGINS IN EARNEST. SO IN OUR DEFINITION OF ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC BICYCLE, BICYCLE EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES THOSE WITH 750 WATT MOTORS OR MORE. OKAY.SO THERE'S CLASS ONE, WHICH IS A HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE A CLASS ONE? I BELIEVE IT'S NOT MORE THAN 20 MILES AN HOUR. AND AND I THINK THAT WAS IT FOR THE DEFINITION. RIGHT. YEAH.
SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE AND. WHERE'S THAT DEFINITION. SOMETHING YOU CAN USE TO POWER IT THAT HAS PEDALS. YEAH. IT HAS. YEAH. CLASS TWO IS. CLASS TWO AND THREE. SO CLASS TWO AND THREE ELECTRIC BICYCLES. THE TOP ASSISTANT SPEED ELECTRIC BICYCLE IS CAPABLE OF REACHING.
AND THE MOTOR WATTAGE OF THE ELECTRIC BICYCLE. AND BASICALLY THIS LET'S SEE HERE. I DON'T THINK THIS GIVES US THE TOP SPEED, BUT GENERALLY THE TOP THE ONE AND TWO I BELIEVE ARE MAXIMUM OF 20 MILES AN HOUR NOT TO EXCEED 20 MILES AN HOUR. OKAY. AND IT HAS TO BE IT HAS TO BE THE IT'S, IT'S ASSISTED SO THAT YOU HAVE THE PEDALS, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE MOTOR ASSIST YOU AND AND THEN CLASS THREE GOES UP TO 28 MILES AN HOUR. AND AGAIN THAT'S ASSISTED WITH THE PEDALS. AND YOU CAN YOU CAN THE CLASS THREE. YOU CAN RIDE WITHOUT HAVING TO PEDAL AT ALL JUST WITH THE MOTOR ITSELF. SO UNDER THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE YOU CAN WRITE A CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO, AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN THE SPEED LIMIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ON SHARED USE PATH. CORRECT. YOU CAN USE THEM ON A SIDEWALK AS LONG AS IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT USING ELECTRICITY TO MOVE. CORRECT. AND YOU CAN USE THEM. YOU CAN USE CLASS THREE.
WHERE CAN YOU USE CLASS THREE? IT'S NOT ALLOWED ON THE SHARED USE PATH, ALLOWED ON THE SHARED USE PATH. THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE ROAD. THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE ROAD. SO ANY CLASS THREE
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HAS TO BE ON THE ROAD OKAY. SO THAT'S VERY GOOD. DIRT BIKES. DIRT BIKES ARE NOT ALLOWED ANYWHERE. YEAH THEY ARE, THEY ARE. SO THEY DON'T FALL UNDER ANY OF THE CLASSES OF E-BIKES.THEY GENERALLY. AND THERE'S ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS. IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE THE TYPES YOU CAN BUY. MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE PEDALS. SO THEY'RE NOT AN E-BIKE. AND GENERALLY THE SPEED OF WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF IS FAR GREATER THAN WHAT A BIKE CAN DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHIEF.
I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO HAVE KIND OF A LAY OF THE LAND WITH. AND MY NEXT QUESTION KIND OF GOT BROUGHT UP IN THE VIDEO, DISTINGUISHING IN ENFORCEMENT BETWEEN CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS THREE, AND DIRT E-BIKE. DO WE HAVE A STRATEGY FOR HOW TO. IF WE LOOK AT ONE OF THESE, I KNOW A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE THE LITTLE TAG ON THERE THAT SAYS, OH, LOOK AT ME, I'M THIS CLASS BECAUSE THEY CAN BE MODIFIED. AND YEAH, AS I MENTIONED, IF WE START LOOKING AT E-BIKES, THE STICKER THAT THE THAT THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS CALLS FOR IS NOT EASILY APPARENT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN WALK UP OR SEE FROM A DISTANCE WHAT IT IS. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW UNTIL YOU INSPECT IT OR YOU KNOW, UP CLOSE. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY, A CLASS THREE OPERATING IN THE PAST, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DISCOVER FOR STOPPING THEM FOR SPEED OR RECKLESS OP, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER VIOLATION OTHER THAN HAVING THAT CLASS ON THE PATH THEMSELVES. SO I THINK THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SECONDARY VIOLATION, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY DETECT UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME OTHER SITUATION, AN ACCIDENT WHERE THEY'RE INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT OR THEY'RE BEING STOPPED FOR SOME OTHER REASON.
OKAY. I THINK AS FAR AS THE THE YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT A LITTLE BIT, GOING BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST MEETING IS REALLY WE REALLY WE PUT OUT IN THE SCHOOLS, WE PUT OUT A NOTICE, A BRIEF NOTICE TO THE APPLICABLE AGES ABOUT THAT, THE LAWS AND, AND JUST GENERAL RULES ABOUT RIDING E-BIKES. AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS TO HAVE A, A, AN ONLINE CLASS THAT GOES MORE IN DEPTH AND A REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR THEM TO BE ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. AND THEN I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH JOSH'S TEAM TO ALSO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC. SO OUR FIRST EFFORT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EDUCATE EVERYBODY ABOUT THESE CHANGES AND WHAT THE LAW ALREADY SAYS ABOUT THOSE. AND THEN ENFORCEMENT, LIKE ANY TYPE OF CHANGE, THE LAW THAT WE WE GIVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE WE'RE JUST GIVING WARNING AND EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT THOSE. IT COULD BE THAT GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS HAVING AN OFFICER AT A, AT AN INTERSECTION WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH AND THEY NATURALLY STOP, AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND THEN EVENTUALLY MOVING TO ENFORCEMENT BEYOND THAT, TO CASEY'S POINT ABOUT SOME OF THE SOME PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T HERE BEFORE, I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALKED AT OUR LAST MEETING, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WERE BEYOND THE HELMETS THAT NEED TO BE WORN. THERE WAS THE ISSUE OF LIGHTS AND REFLECTORS, BECAUSE WITH PEOPLE GOING TO SCHOOL IN THE DARK THESE DAYS ARE COMING HOME, OR I'VE SEEN PEOPLE RIDING THEM LATE AT NIGHT WEARING BLACK AND NO LIGHTS OR REFLECTORS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LIGHT AND REFLECTORS. AND THERE WAS ALSO A NEED FOR HORN OR BELL TO ALERT PEOPLE AS YOU APPROACH THEM, EITHER COMING FROM BEHIND OR APPROACHING FROM THE FRONT. RIGHT? YEP. CORRECT. OKAY. AGAIN, THAT'S ALL IN THERE. I MEAN, YEAH, THIS IS THIS WHAT WE COVERED TONIGHT WAS JUST THE CHANGES THAT RESULTED FROM THE DISCUSSION.
LAST MEETING THE THE THE LARGER VOLUME OF ONES THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. THOSE ARE ALL STILL IN PLACE, AS YOU MENTIONED. AND THOSE WERE A LOT OF THOSE WERE BASICALLY TAKING LAWS THAT ALREADY APPLIED TO BICYCLES. AND AND BECAUSE OF THE ADVANCEMENTS IN E-BIKES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THOSE DEFINITIONS WERE EXTENDED TO E-BIKES AND E-SCOOTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE DO HAVE LANGUAGE ADDED ABOUT LIGHTS GIVING AUDIBLE SIGNALS WHEN PASSING PEDESTRIANS AND HELMET ADJUSTMENTS. SO ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND THE LEGISLATION CHANGES. CHIEF, JUST A QUESTION. PLACING ASIDE BICYCLES. LET'S FOCUS JUST ON ELECTRONIC MOTORCYCLES. AGAIN.
THE INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED A LOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE SOME BIG ADVANCEMENTS. YOU AND I COULD GO BUY A $7,000 ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE TODAY, WHICH IS A MOTOR VEHICLE FOR PURPOSES OF OHIO LAW, HAS TO BE REGISTERED WITH BMV, HAS TO BE A LICENSED DRIVER WITH A MOTORCYCLE DESIGNATION. DO YOU HAVE TO WEAR A HELMET AND MUST HAVE LIGHTS, A HORN AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE REQUIRED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER MOTOR VEHICLE. SO THESE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE ON ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES THAT DON'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. CORRECT. AND WE'RE AND WE ARE ALREADY ENFORCING THAT. I KNOW THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND US ARE ALSO STARTING TO ENFORCE
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THAT. BUT YOU'RE CORRECT. AND A LOT OF TIMES, JUST THE AGE OF THE RIDER THAT WE SEE, THAT ALONE WOULD TAKE THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION FOR RIDING THOSE, EVEN IF THEY HAD TURN SIGNALS AND MIRRORS AND, AND SOMEHOW GOT IT REGISTERED. YEAH. AND I'M NOT AN INSURANCE AGENT. I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV. BUT IF A YOUNG PERSON WAS OUT UTILIZING ONE OF THESE VEHICLES THAT HAD BEEN PURCHASED FOR THEM, THEY WEREN'T PROPERLY INSURED. THEY WERE ENGAGED IN ACTIVITY THAT WOULD BE DEEMED RECKLESS. I WOULD QUESTION IF A HOMEOWNER'S POLICY WOULD COVER THAT AS WELL.SO THERE COULD BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF LIABILITY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL WHO PURCHASED THAT VEHICLE AND ENTRUSTED IT TO A YOUNG PERSON'S USE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A SITUATION WHERE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS THEY TRY TO SORT THROUGH THAT, THAT CRASH THAT WE SPOKE OF. SO COMING BACK TO 37 3.08, I THINK IF WE'RE I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE THE FIRST, I LIKE THE FIRST ORIGINAL ONE WHERE IT SAYS TEN MILES PER HOUR ON SIDEWALK OR SHARED. I WOULD ALMOST MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE A SIXTH ONE TO FOLLOW THAT THAT SAYS AT A SPEED GREATER THAN TEN MILES PER HOUR, ANY SIDEWALK OR SHARED USE PATH, UNLESS POSTED SPEED IS GREATER THAN TEN MILES PER HOUR. SO INSTEAD OF DOING THE RECOMMENDED WORTHY, MAYBE WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, WHICH SETS THE PRECEDENT AT TEN MILES PER HOUR ON SIDEWALKS AND PATHS, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE JUST SAYS, UNLESS IT'S POSTED GREATER THAN THAT, SURE, MAYBE THAT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER IF COUNCIL IS. OR DIFFERENT WITH THAT. OR I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT FIVE MILES AN HOUR IN A CERTAIN AREA UNLESS POSTED DIFFERENTLY. OKAY, YEAH, THEN THAT WAS JUST MY WORDING. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOES, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THANKS. THANK YOU. WE I KNOW WE I SAW THIS. WE CAN MAKE IT WORK IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE.
SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. WELL AND THEN ALSO UNDER THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO 37 311, WE DO MAKE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT WE CAN POST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TERM IS WALK YOUR WHEELS. SO YOU MAY COME INTO AN AREA WHERE IT'S NOT EVEN APPROPRIATE, NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE YOU ARE TO PROCEED WHILE OPERATING SUCH VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF THE SOME OF THE RESIDENT OR NOT RESIDENTS, BUT BUSINESS OWNERS THAT COME IN IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AND TALKED ABOUT THE USE OF THOSE VEHICLES ON THE SIDEWALKS THERE IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS, THAT IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC NO MATTER WHAT THE SPEED. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL REGARDING THE PROPOSED AMENDED ORDINANCE? I MEAN, I'M I'M GOING TO REITERATE REAL QUICK FOR 3737 THREE OUT 11. I STILL WOULD LIKE BLANKET ON SHARED USE PATHS. GOLF CARTS AND MOTOR VEHICLES SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED ON THOSE. OH YEAH, THIS LANGUAGE STILL SAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED. AND THE EVEN WITH THE MODIFIED, I THINK WE CAN DISTINGUISH AND MAKE IT A SEPARATE SECTION FOR THE, YOU KNOW, BICYCLES, ELECTRIC BICYCLES, SCOOTERS. BUT. GIVE ME THE LAWYER FACE AGAIN. SO AND I THINK CHIEF AND I DID DISCUSS THAT THE GOLF CARTS AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. I THINK FROM CHIEF'S PERSPECTIVE AND AND PROSECUTING THOSE OBVIOUSLY THE MORE NOTICE WE CAN GIVE SOMEONE THAT'S PROHIBITED, THE BETTER OUR CASE IS. BUT AGAIN, COUNCIL'S DESIRE, IF WE WANTED TO DO A BLANKET PROHIBITION WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT THAT IN THERE. IT'S JUST THE MORE NOTICE WE GIVE, THE BETTER THE BETTER OUR CASE IS. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY CHIEF'S OKAY. SO SAME APPROACH CASES WHERE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IS GOLF CARTS ARE PROHIBITED ON ANY CITY OWNED AND MAINTAINED PATHS UNLESS POSTED. I MEAN, I JUST THINK LIKE THE THIS IS MOTOR VEHICLE AND GOLF CARTS ARE ALLOWED TODAY. UNLESS THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE AND SAY THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS IT'S POSTED. I MEAN, I JUST THINK LIKE THE BRIDGE OVER 605 WITH THE SPEED LIMIT IS 35, BUT THE ROAD GETS A LITTLE NARROW. THERE ARE OFTENTIMES GOLF CARTS THAT USE THAT PATH, WHICH GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED BECAUSE IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE PATH OR THE UNDER 62 IS THE EXAMPLE THAT, I MEAN, GOLF CARTS ARE GOING TO USE THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
YEAH. TO GO FROM ONE SIDE OF THE CITY OWNED AND MAINTAINED. BUT YEAH. BUT SO IT COULD BE POSTED THERE THAT GOLF CARTS AREN'T ALLOWED. BUT AGAIN THAT MOTOR VEHICLES GOLF CARTS I DON'T KNOW OKAY. SNOWMOBILES, SNOWMOBILES I LIKE THAT I LIKE THAT JUST YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN TRY TO SORT IT OUT, JUST, YOU KNOW. GOLF CARTS ON ON THE PASS. I WONDER IF THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE I, THIS IS KIND OF IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT CATEGORY. LIKE WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH GOLF CARTS. MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING I LOVE THIS IDEA. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF
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WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME REASON WHY IT WAS THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE PATH WHEN I DRIVE HOME. OKAY. I THINK PART OF IT IS WE FIX IT BEFORE IT GETS BROKEN. I UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S WHY I THINK I WOULD VOTE TO JUST JUST NOT ALLOW PERIOD. THERE LARGE. YOU GOT ALL THE WALKERS. IT'S CHALLENGING APPRECIATING THAT WE'RE DIGESTING A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE CODE SECTIONS, DEALING WITH AN IMMEDIATE ISSUE WITH E-BIKES AND ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES. MAYBE GOLF CARTS WEREN'T THEIR OWN.FURTHER CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, PERHAPS AT A LATER DATE. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GETTING THE FALL. PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC. GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHIEF OR LEGAL COUNSEL THINK OF THAT. WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU ADDRESS IT LATER ON, YOU CAN STILL RESTRICT IT WITH SIGNAGE. RIGHT NOW WITH THE LANGUAGE YOU HAVE, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE YOU WANT TO SAY NO GOLF CART. YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE LANGUAGE AS IT EXISTS AND THEN ADDRESS THE ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD IF IT BECOMES A BIGGER ISSUE. EITHER ONE OF THOSE PROPOSALS WOULD WORK. YEAH, I THINK EITHER IS FINE. I JUST WANT TO GET I THINK WE WE PROBABLY HAVE TO MAKE. I'M GOING TO ALREADY MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY CHIEF JONES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW TO MAKE YOUR PROPOSAL AND SEE IF IT CARRIES OR YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET. MAYBE WE HAVE MORE. YEAH. YOU WANT IF WE WANT TO DO COMMENTS FIRST, DO I HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OR AFTER? I THINK IT'S AFTER. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. FAIR ENOUGH. WE WILL DIGEST AND SEE. WAIT TO MAKE THE SAUSAGE IN A MINUTE. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL TO STAFF REGARDING THE ORDINANCE AND PROPOSED AMENDMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO THE POINT OF THE MEETING WHERE WE INVITE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS ORDINANCE OH 40 2025. WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKER CARDS. I WILL CALL THEM IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE PRESENTED TO THE CLERK. I'LL SORT OF NAME THE FIRST AND THEN LET THE NEXT PERSON KNOW THEY'RE SORT OF ON DECK. SO OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS SAJAN MAHARJAN AND OUR SECOND IS SCOTT BILLMAN. OOPS, I KNOW THE MAYOR CALLED YOU UP, BUT IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ONE MORE TIME, FOR THE RECORD, SUJAN MAHAJAN 3830 COLD CALLS. GOOD AFTERNOON CITY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS. MY NAME IS SUJAN MAHAJAN, AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE GROUP OF TEENAGERS THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT E-MOTORS AND ELECTRIC DIRT BIKES. WE ARE NOT HERE TO RULE, BLAKE. WE ARE HERE AS WE BELIEVE IN RESPONSIBLE RIDING AND RETAINING THE FREEDOM TO DO WHAT WE LOVE TO DO. OUR FIRST POINT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT IS WHY WE RIDE. THE REASON WHY WE RIDE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TOYS. FOR MANY OF US, THEY ARE TROPHY OF OUR HARD WORK TO EARN THE BIKE, OUR SPECIAL CONNECTION TO THE CITY AND EACH OTHER.
WHEREAS OTHER PEOPLE SEE DANGER, WE SEE ENGINEERING FUN IN A COMMUNITY, RIDING THEM OR WORKING ON THEM. WE LEARN LOTS OF VARIOUS THINGS LIKE MECHANICAL WORK, ENGINEERING SKILLS, ELECTRICAL SKILLS, CONTROL, THE TORQUE AND EVEN ENVIRONMENTAL AWARENESS. SINCE WE OPERATE ELECTRIC, NOT GASOLINE POWERED VEHICLES, WE RIDE BECAUSE IT IS FUN, YES, BUT ALSO DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT KEEPS US ACTIVE, SOCIAL AND OFF SCREENS. IT IS A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE, RESPONSIBILITY AND TEAMWORK. MOST EVERYONE DOESN'T COMPREHEND THAT CYCLING BREEDS SOMETHING FAR LARGER THAN CYCLING ITSELF A FAMILY. WE ENCOUNTER RIDERS OF EVERY AGE AND BACKGROUND THAT PASS ON ADVICE, SWAP PARTS, ASSIST WITH REPAIRING EACH OTHER'S VEHICLES, AND INSTRUCT NEWCOMERS ON HOW TO RIDE WITH CAUTION. THIS TYPE OF SUPPORT GROUP DOESN'T PHASE OUT WHEN THE ENGINES DIE. IT INSTILLS FRIENDSHIP, ESTEEM, AND ACCOUNTABILITY THAT EXTEND INTO OUR SCHOOLS, OUR COMMUNITIES, AND EVEN OUR FUTURE PROFESSIONS. WHEN WE RIDE TOGETHER, WE'RE NOT MERELY CONSTRUCTING BICYCLES, WE'RE CONSTRUCTING CHARACTER AND RELATIONSHIPS. MY SECOND POINT IS WHY THE BAN HURTS EVERYONE.
THE NEW LAW OH 4020 25TH MAY LOOK LIKE IT IS MERELY PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, BUT REALLY, IT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US KIDS TO RIDE ANYWHERE LEGALLY. IT PROHIBITS US E MOTOS AND E-BIKES ON SIDEWALKS AND SHARED USE. FAST RESTRICTS OUR SPEED TO 15 MILES AN HOUR, AND EVEN FLAGS SOME OF OUR VERY OWN BIKES AS NOT FOR PUBLIC TRAIL USE. THE ISSUE IS DO ALREADY DOESN'T HAVE SPECIFIC AREAS FOR US TO RIDE THAT IS SAFE. IF WE CAN'T RIDE ON TRAILS AND WE CAN'T RIDE ON SIDEWALKS, WHERE CAN WE RIDE? THROWING RIDERS ON PUBLIC TRAILS DOESN'T MAKE US SAFER. IT SIMPLY THROWS US IN THE STREETS OR PRIVATE PROPERTIES WHERE ACCIDENTS ARE AT A HIGHER RISK. OUR THIRD POINT IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WE'RE NOT
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ASKING FOR DISORDER, WE'RE ASKING FOR EQUILIBRIUM. WE LIKE TO COOPERATE WITH THE CITY, NOT AGAINST IT. SO RATHER THAN PROHIBIT, LET'S CONSTRUCT A SOLUTION. PROVIDE RIDER EDUCATION. THE CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS INTERESTED IN RIDING RESPONSIBLY, MAYBE EVEN INCLUDING CERTIFICATION FOR THOSE WHO PASS THE CLASS, COLLABORATE WITH INTERIOR FORCES, POLICE FORCES TO TEACH RATHER THAN SIMPLY PUNISH. AND ABOVE ALL, WE MUST FIND TROUBLE ONLY IF WE ARE CREATING TROUBLE, LIKE BEING DANGEROUS OR HARMING PEOPLE OR PROPERTY, NOT MERELY FOR POOR, FOR POSSESSING OR USING AN ELECTRIC BIKE. PUNISH RECKLESS RIDING, NOT RESPONSIBLE PASSION. WE ARE NOT AIMING TO BE OUTRAGEOUS. WE ARE AIMING TO BE HEARD. SO PLEASE DON'T MUTE. YOUNG RIDERS ASSIST US IN RIDING SAFE, RIDING SMART AND RIDING PROUD THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WE CALL HOME. THANK YOU. WELL SAID SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. BILLMAN. AND UP NEXT IS JOE. SCOTT GILMAN, NINE KESWICK COMMONS, NEW ALBANY. I'M HERE TO FOLLOW UP ON A CONVERSATION WE HAD A YEAR AGO ABOUT SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M NOT HERE TO SAY YOU GUYS RIGHT UNSAFELY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. I WILL MENTION IT, HOWEVER, BUT I WON'T GO DOWN THAT PATH. I DID TRY TO RACE ONE OF YOU GUYS ON A SCOOTER YESTERDAY. I'M ON MY BIKE. I'M DOING 28, GOING DOWN 161, AND THE KID BEAT. MY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY AND I THINK PEOPLE HERE ARE NOT TELLING YOU GUYS WHAT THEY CAN'T DO. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF OTHERS. SO PLEASE DON'T PLEASE, FOR ME, FEEL LIKE WE'RE COMING DOWN TO YOU GUYS. AND I KNOW MOST OF YOU GUYS, I WALK MY GERMAN SHEPHERD. YOU GUYS SEE ME, I STOP YOU, I TALK TO YOU EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. I MAY YELL AT YOU FOR GOING THROUGH A STOP SIGN, SOME OF YOU. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE. AND I THINK THE ISSUE YOU BROUGHT UP, YOUR LAST POINT IS ALL OF US CYCLISTS, GOLF CART RIDERS, SCOOTERS, CYCLISTS. I THINK THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE A SAFE WAY FOR US TO EXERCISE AND TO UTILIZE THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE. I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN THE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PATHS AND OR LEISURE PATHS, BUT WE DON'T REALLY DON'T GET INTO OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN LEISURE PATHS. AS A CYCLIST, I'M OUT EVERY DAY. YOU GUYS PROBABLY SEE ME RUNNING AROUND ONCE IN A WHILE. I GO DOWN THE PATHWAY WITH MY CROSS BIKE. I RACE CROSS, BUT ANYWAY, I WON'T GO INTO THAT. IT IT SCARES ME TO BE OUT IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT SCARES ME NOT BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS, BUT BECAUSE THE MOTORISTS WHO AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, THE MOTORISTS, EVEN THOUGH YOU STOP AND HIT YOUR LIGHT TO CROSS, THEY AREN'T STOPPING.AND I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD BEFORE, SO I THE COUNCIL BEFORE. I THINK NEW ALBANY NEEDS TO GET THEIR ARMS AROUND THIS WHOLE ISSUE VERSUS JUST THE LIMITATIONS OF ALL OF US. IT'S SETTING THE PROPER EDUCATION KNOWLEDGE. I MEAN, I KNOW THE BIKE LAWS. I DON'T KNOW THE SCOOTER LAWS, I'M NOT A SCOOTER OR AN E-BIKE RIDER, BUT E-BIKE E-BIKES CAME OUT WHEN THE CYCLISTS, AS WE AGE, NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPEED. THAT'S HOW IT ALL STARTED. WE PUT LITTLE MOTORS IN IT, SOME LEGALLY, SOME ILLEGALLY, AND RACING. BUT ANYWAY, WE PUT THEM IN TO JUST ESCALATE AND IMPROVE OUR SPEED. WHAT WE SEE TODAY ARE REALLY COOL DEVICES IN OUR DAY. WE CALL THEM MOPEDS AND OTHER THINGS. WE HAD SKATEBOARDS. THERE WERE OTHER THINGS ON THE WORLD WE ALL GOT IN TROUBLE FOR. SO THIS ISN'T NEW AND I SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, BUT I SUPPORT CHIEF AND THE CITY COUNCIL TRYING TO GET THEIR ARMS AROUND IT, BECAUSE YOU ALSO ADMIT YOU'VE SEEN IT. THERE'S A LOT OF UNSAFE CYCLISTS, GOLF CART RIDERS, E-BIKE RIDERS, SCOOTERS. SO I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE A MORE ACTIVE INTEREST IN EDUCATION KNOWLEDGE. YOU HAVE A LOT ON THE WEBSITE NOW. YOU HAVE A LOT ON THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU HAVE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS NOW TALKING ABOUT WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE A STEP FURTHER. MOST CYCLISTS KNOW THAT REFLECTORS DON'T WORK. WE NEED LIGHTS WHEN IT GETS DUSK. WE TALKING HERE ABOUT REFLECTORS THAT IT'S A IT WAS A LAW TO HAVE REFLECTORS ON BIKES. NEVER SOLD. ANYONE THAT HAS A BIKE THAT RIDES KNOWS YOU TAKE THOSE OFF IMMEDIATELY AND YOU REPLACE THEM WITH LIGHTS. YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE THEM ON YOUR BIKES AS WELL. I DON'T HAVE GOLF CARTS, HAVE LIGHTS, BUT ANYTHING, ANYONE THAT'S RUNNING AFTER NIGHT ON THESE LEISURE PATHS OR STREETS OR WHATEVER MUST HAVE LIGHTS ON, FLASHING RED BACK. AND THEN THE WHITE FRONT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED HERE. A LOT OF CITIES HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR ARMS AROUND THIS AS BEST THEY CAN. A LOT OF THEM HAVE CYCLING AMBASSADORS. YOU GUYS ARE LEADERS. YOU SHOULD HAVE E-BIKE AMBASSADORS THAT
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ARE SHOWING LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A GOLF CART LEADERSHIP, BUT I ASSUME SOMEONE WOULD BE LIKE THAT. BUT WE NEED TO STAND UP AS LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND HELP WITH THESE ORDINANCES AND HELP THE CITY UNDERSTAND WHERE CAN WE RIDE? WE KNOW WE CAN'T. OR WHERE SHOULD WE BE RIDING? WHAT IS SAFE AND SWICKARD WOODS IS A GREAT PLACE TO RIDE. AND YES, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AREA AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S BEEN NOT TAKEN CARE OF AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE YOU GUYS GO THROUGH IT. I GO THROUGH MY CROSS BIKE, IT NEEDS HELP. SO AGAIN, MY POINT IS THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY CAN LOOK AT THINGS IN WAYS TO IMPROVE THE FUN ENJOYMENT OF THIS VERSUS TELLING US WHERE WE CAN'T BE AND CAN'T RIDE. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON GOLF CARTS. GOLF CARTS, I THINK ARE A PLAGUE ON THE PATHS. THEY'RE WIDE. PEOPLE ARE WRITING THEM. DO NOT YIELD. AND I'M NOT. I'M TIRED OF GETTING OFF THE PATH FOR A PERSON WHO WANTS TO GO TO STARBUCKS IN THEIR GOLF CART, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AT ALL. SO I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS GOLF CARTS AND THEIR USAGE ON THE SAME WAY WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE. I MEAN, THESE ARE JUST ALL THE ISSUES. IN ADDITION, IN THE CITY WE DO HAVE CROSSWALKS. THEY'RE REALLY PRETTY, A LOT OF THEM WITH THE BRICK. MOTORISTS DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN CHALLENGED BY A CAR CROSSING MARKET STREET, GOING DOWN 161 OR DUBLIN GRANVILLE. THEY CAN'T SEE THAT'S A WALK. THERE'S A LIGHT. THERE'S A THERE'S A PERSON. I SEE IT THEY DON'T.AND I'M WALKING ACROSS. THEY DON'T THINK THAT'S CROSSWALK. THEY DON'T HAVE A WHITE LINE.
SO AGAIN I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT FOR SAFETY, SOME OF THE CHANGES WE CAN MAKE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR ALL OF US TO RIDE, NOT JUST RESTRICT US. START WITH SAFETY, START WITH EMPLOYMENT, AND THEN LET'S GET DOWN TO HOW WE CAN DO THAT SAFELY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. THANKS, SCOTT. ALL RIGHT, JOE. AND THEN ANDREW SPASS NEXT. HEY, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU JOE. SEVEN 4323 OLMSTED ROAD, NEW ALBANY. YOU KNOW, FIRST LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING. AS A FATHER OF FIVE KIDS, I'M SO PROUD THAT THERE ARE SIX YOUNG MEN HERE WHO CAME IN, AND THEY'RE REALLY OUT OF THEIR ELEMENT, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO COME UP HERE AND ACTUALLY TALK TO US. AND I GET, I KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE. IF I WAS A 13 YEAR OLD, I WOULD HAVE A MOTORCYCLE FOR SURE. I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'VE TAKEN SOME NOTES ON WHAT CHIEF SAID, TOO. SO I'VE GOTTEN SORT OF WORKING THROUGH HOW I'M GOING TO SAY ALL THIS FIRST.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN PROBABLY 150 RESIDENTS AT THIS POINT ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT FOUR CALLS, ABOUT THREE POLICE INTERACTIONS WITH PEOPLE ON MOTORCYCLES IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS. PEOPLE JUST REPORTING TO ME THAT, HEY, I JUST SAW SOME KIDS PULLED OVER ON MOTORCYCLES YESTERDAY ABOUT 24 HOURS AGO, 26 HOURS AGO. AT THIS POINT, MY WIFE AND I WERE WALKING OUR DOGS ON 605 COMING NORTH. WE WERE ABOUT 2000FT SOUTH OF THE POLICE STATION, AND WE SAW A BIKE COMING UP BEHIND US, A MOTORCYCLE, PARDON ME, AT PROBABLY 30 MILES AN HOUR IN THE BATH. AND LO AND BEHOLD, THE NEW ALBANY POLICE OFFICER WAS DRIVING SOUTH ON 605. HIT HIS LIGHTS, GOT ON THE PA, TALKED TO THE KID FOR 4 OR 5 MINUTES. AS YOU KNOW, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THESE THINGS BE IMPOUNDED BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT LEGAL IN THE STATE OF OHIO. AT LEAST ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO WARN AND BE A LITTLE MORE GENTLE TO. I WANT TO SAY SPECIFICALLY, I APOLOGIZE TO MAYOR SPAULDING LAST WEEK AFTER THE MEETING, I DEFINITELY INTERRUPTED YOU. I ALSO WANTED TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE THAT I WAS RUDE AND I WAS WRONG, AND HE ASKED MY WIFE OR MY FIVE CHILDREN, THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT AS AN AREA WHICH I CAN IMPROVE, THEY KNOW THAT I OCCASIONALLY INTERRUPT PEOPLE. THE REASON THIS IS SO PASSIONATE, AND THIS MIGHT BE INTERESTING FOR YOU TO HEAR TOO, SO WE MOVED EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND ABOUT THREE MONTHS AFTER WE MOVED IN, MY LOVELY DAUGHTER, MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS HIT BY A CAR, ON A BIKE, IN A CROSSWALK AT THE ROTARY BETWEEN KROGER AND. OH GOSH, WHAT'S THE FREUDIAN? YEAH, WENDY'S RIGHT, NEW ALBANY RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LAYING ON THE PAVEMENT BEING LOADED INTO THE AMBULANCE TO GO TO LIVING CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, FIVE DAYS, YOU FIND OUT THAT THAT'S
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ACTUALLY COLUMBUS, NOT NEW ALBANY. SO I'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO MY PASSION ON THIS. THIS I WON'T STOP. I CARE SOMEWHAT ABOUT THESE YOUNG MEN. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THEIR RISKS. I WAS A YOUNG MAN, I TOOK RISKS.IT HAPPENS AS SOON AS WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE PEDESTRIANS OR OTHER MOTORISTS ARE AT RISK.
THAT'S MY BRIGHT RED LINE. AND WHEN THE CONSUMER PROTECTION SAFETY COMMISSION CREATED E-BIKES IN 2002, IN FEDERAL CODE, WHICH IS WHAT THE OHIO CODE POINTS TO THE. AND I JUST PULLED IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THIS ROOM ABOUT WHAT E-BIKES ARE. BUT THIS IS THE FEDERAL CODE 16 CFR 1512 82. BY THE WAY, A BICYCLE MEANS EITHER A PEDAL BICYCLE OR A 2 OR 3 WHEELED VEHICLE WITH FULLY OPERABLE PEDALS. AND AN ELECTRIC MOTOR OF LESS THAN 750W. ONE HORSEPOWER, WHOSE MAXIMUM SPEED ON A PAVED LEVEL SURFACE WHEN POWERED SOLELY BY A MOTOR, WHICH RIDDEN BY AN OPERATOR WHO WEIGHS 170 POUNDS, IS LESS THAN 20MPH. SO I'M A BIT OF AN ENGINEER, A BIT OF PHYSICIST. I AM NO POLITICIAN, I. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A SMALL PHYSICS REFRESHER IN A COLLISION, THERE ARE FOUR VARIABLES. THERE IS THE TIME A COLLISION OCCURS IN 0.1 SECOND, RIGHT? THE DISTANCE, THE DECELERATION, ITS ACCELERATION IN PHYSICS, BUT I'LL JUST CALL IT DECELERATION OCCURS IN THE SPEED AND THE MASS. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE TWO FOUR VARIABLES IN A COLLISION. THE SPEED IN THE MASS. BY THE WAY, THE CONSUMER PROTECTION SAFETY COMMISSION CREATED THE LAW. BASICALLY LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF MASS THAT A BICYCLE COULD BE BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD INTERACT WITH PEDESTRIANS. THAT 170 POUND MAN OR WOMAN ON A 40 POUND, BY THE WAY, 40 POUND BIKE. BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. HE'S 210 POUNDS WHEN THAT BIKE'S GOING AT A CERTAIN SPEED, GIVES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NEWTONS. THAT'S HOW WE MEASURE FORCE IN A COLLISION. THE PROBLEM WITH THE MOTORCYCLES, THE SURROUNDS, EVERYTHING ELSE IS THAT IT WEIGHS 135 TO 145 POUNDS. YOU IMMEDIATELY, EVEN AT TEN MILES AN HOUR, A PERSON RIDING A BIKE OR A BICYCLE AT TEN MILES AN HOUR IS NOT THE SAME AS A MOTORCYCLE THAT WEIGHS 10 POUNDS OR WEIGHS 135 POUNDS. GOING TEN MILES AN HOUR, YOU'VE ACTUALLY ADDED 50 TO 80% MORE ENERGY INTO A POTENTIAL COLLISION. THEY'RE ACTUALLY SAFER RIDING A MOTORCYCLE BECAUSE IT'S HEAVIER. A PEDESTRIAN IS GOING TO GET SMOKED. THAT IS A OSU LINEBACKER RUNNING AT SPEED, COMING AT YOU. THE AGAIN, THE CONSUMER PROTECTION SAFETY COMMISSION CREATED THAT ONE HORSEPOWER LEVEL SIMPLY BECAUSE ADDING MORE POWER MEANS MORE WEIGHT, BECAUSE YOU NEED MORE FRAME, YOU NEED MORE TIRES. YOU NEED MORE EVERYTHING TO HOLD THAT THING TOGETHER. THAT'S WHY ONE HORSEPOWER IS SO IMPORTANT. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE IGNORED. EVER. THAT'S THE DETERMINING FACTOR. SPEED LIMITS ARE FINE. MOTORS ARE WHAT ARE IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHERE THE FORCE IS COMING FROM. AND THAT'S WHERE THE DANGER LIES. AND BY THE WAY, IT'S WHY OHIO CODE TAKES ONE HORSEPOWER TO FIVE HORSEPOWER AS OLD SCHOOL MOPEDS. ANYTHING OVER FIVE HORSEPOWER WAS AUTOMATICALLY A MOTORCYCLE. THE UNFORTUNATE PART IN OHIO CODE CHIEF PROBABLY KNOWS THIS BY NOW. IS THAT THE 1 TO 5 HORSEPOWER DESIGNATION SAYS IS EQUIPPED WITH A PISTON ENGINE.
THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THE CODE, SO EVERYTHING SORT OF JUST FALLS INTO MOTORCYCLES AT THAT POINT. YOU CAN RIDE A MOPED. IT'S A CALLED A VESPA. IN OUR OLD DAYS, THESE THESE BIKES HAVE THE SAME PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS AS A VESPA. LITERALLY, THEY HAVE THE SAME PERFORMANCE PIECE. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TOP SPEED OF A MOPED, BUT IT'S AT 45MPH ROADS.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? I THINK IT'S LESS THAN 45. YEAH. SO YOU CAN'T TAKE A 1 TO 5 HORSEPOWER VEHICLE ON A ROAD WITH A SPEED LIMIT GREATER THAN 45 MILES AN HOUR AFTER FIVE HORSEPOWER, WHICH MANY OF THESE MOTORCYCLES HAVE. YOU CAN GO OUT ON 161 TO 6 IF IT'S STREET LEGAL. THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE. I THINK THE MAYOR DESCRIBED THAT PRETTY WELL, THAT THERE'S JUST WE'RE
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NOT THERE AND YOU NEED AN OPERATOR'S LICENSE. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON. WE TALKED ABOUT COLLISIONS WITH PEDESTRIANS. THERE HAVE BEEN TWO FATALITIES WITH PEDESTRIANS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, ONE IN BOSTON AND ONE IN BROOKLYN. COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY CAME OUT WITH A STUDY LAST YEAR THAT INJURIES ON BIKES HAVE INCREASED 293% IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. THAT'S JUST E-BIKES. THEY'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT MOTORCYCLES.E-BIKES ARE VERY CLEAR, AND I'M JUST GOING TO FILL THIS IN BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONFUSION. E-BIKES HAVE A AND I'M USING STATUTORY E-BIKE RIGHT NOW. WHAT'S IN THE FEDERAL CODE. WHAT'S IN THE ORC. THERE'S THREE CLASSES. ALL OF THEM HAVE TO BE CLEARLY AND NOTICEABLY MARKED. GO TO THE WEBSITE. LOOK WHAT A TREK CLASS ONE, 2 OR 3 E-BIKE LOOKS LIKE.
THE PLAQUE IS RIGHT THERE. IT'S GOT A MOTOR SIZE. IT'S GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. IT'S GOT CLASS. WE GOT SOME FORGETTING. THE THIRD ONE DOESN'T MATTER. BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE CLEARLY DISCIPLINED.
IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED BY THE MANUFACTURER OR THE DISTRIBUTOR. ALL E-BIKES HAVE TO HAVE A ONE HORSEPOWER MOTOR OR LESS. A CLASS ONE E-BIKE. THE MOTOR IS IN THE HUB. WHEN YOU PEDAL, YOU'RE A BIKER. I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY ELSE'S A BIKER. WHEN YOU PEDAL, YOU GET AN ASSIST.
THE 20 MILES AN HOUR THERE IS A REGULATOR THAT STOPS THAT MOTOR FROM HELPING YOU. YOU CAN THEORETICALLY TAKE CLASS ONE BIKE AND RIDE IT 25 MILES AN HOUR. THE MOTOR WILL TAKE YOU TO 20 AND THEN FALL ON YOU. OKAY, A CLASS TWO BICYCLE IS THE SAME THING. MOTORS IN THE HUB. BUT NOW WE'VE ADDED A THROTTLE. OKAY, IT'S SOMETHING ON THE HANDLE. LETS YOU PRESS A BUTTON. IT WILL TAKE YOU TO 20 MILES AN HOUR. THE MOTOR CUTS OUT AGAIN. IT'S A ONE HORSEPOWER MOTOR, SO THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND IT. YOU DON'T GET MORE POWER SOMEHOW BY COMING UP WITH THE CHEAT CODE OR UNLOCKING OF ADDITIONAL CAPABILITY IN THE BIKE. SO THAT'S A CLASS TWO CLASS. AGAIN, YOU CAN TELL THAT LIKE 25 CLASS THREE BIKE. IS AGAIN MOTORS GOING TO BE IN THE HUB. IT HAS A THROTTLE OR PEDALING WILL BRING THAT MOTOR TO 28 MILES AN HOUR. YOU HAVE TO BE 16. THOSE WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE IN SAN FRANCISCO DRIVING FROM FROM PACIFIC HEIGHTS TO THE FINANCIAL DISTRICT SO THEY COULD GO AS FAST AS TRAFFIC, WHICH WAS 25 MILES AN HOUR IN MOST MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS. THAT'S WHY 28 EXISTS. IT WAS SIMPLY SO THEY COULD BE ON STREETS WITH CARS AND BE RELATIVELY SAFE. HOWEVER, THE THROTTLE DIDN'T TAKE THEM TO 28, IT TOOK THEM TO 20, AND THEN THEY COULD PEDAL THE 28. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO LIKE GET THAT HERE. LIKE THAT'S E-BIKES. ONCE YOU GO OVER ONE HORSEPOWER, YOU ARE A MOTOR VEHICLE BY A PLATE. AND BY FEDERAL LAW. TWO I SAID COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. I SAID 293% INCREASE. RIGHT. AND I SAY THAT GOOD. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT IN 373 .0885, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT? BEFORE, IT'S REASONABLE AND PRUDENT. I'VE GOT FIVE KIDS. WHAT KID NUMBER ONE WOULD THINK IS REASONABLE, REASONABLE AND PRUDENT. AND WHAT KID NUMBER FIVE WOULD THINK IS REASONABLE AND PRUDENT IS A WIDE VARIANCE.
GUYS. WHAT WHAT MIKE, THE COUNCIL PERSON MIKE WOULD THINK IS, IS PRETTY LIKE. IT'S JUST IT'S AMORPHOUS. WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE OR AN EXPERIENCE, HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT PRUDENT MEANS? I DON'T I DON'T ENVY CHIEF JONES'S POSITION OF HAVING TO ENFORCE ANY OF THIS. THIS IS GOING TO BE TOUGH. AND I ACTUALLY LOVE THE IDEA. THERE SHOULD BE A PLACE IN THIS CITY FOR PEOPLE TO RIDE. AGAIN. THESE ARE THESE ARE FUN. YOU CAN GO DOWN 33 HALFWAY TO ATHENS, OHIO, AND THERE IS A AWESOME PUBLIC DIRT BIKE TRACK DOWN THERE. IT'S AWESOME. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE MEANT TO BE. IF THE CITY WANTS TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE, MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I THAT'S A REAL THING. BUT PUTTING THAT EXTRA WEIGHT, PUTTING THAT EXTRA POWER ANYWHERE NEAR A PEDESTRIAN EVER, WHETHER IT'S THIS MONTH OR SIX YEARS FROM NOW, IS INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. I THINK THAT'S IT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. MY FRIEND ANDREW IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A SUGGESTION HERE AND WE'LL GO
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FROM THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, GUYS. THANK YOU. JOE. MR. SPAHR, GOOD EVENING.GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. THANK YOU. SO JOE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. ANDREW SPAR, 47 E HOLCOMB, NEW ALBANY JOE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND IF YOU HAD ASKED ME LAST YEAR THAT I WOULD KNOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH I KNOW NOW ABOUT E MOTORCYCLES AND MOTORBIKES WOULD TOLD YOU YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY INSANE. BUT HERE WE ARE. AND IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING LEARNING PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED HERE. AND IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT HEARING EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT, INCLUDING CHIEF, BECAUSE A LOT OF MY OPENING REMARKS, YOU GUYS HAVE COVERED MOST OF IT. AND I WAS SITTING THERE STARTING TO RAISE MY HAND BECAUSE I WANTED TO INTERJECT A FEW TIMES BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT MILES PER HOUR. BUT I THINK IT COMES BACK TO WHAT JOE'S TALKING ABOUT. AND IT'S HORSEPOWER. IF IT'S MORE THAN ONE HORSEPOWER, IT'S A MOTOR VEHICLE. IT NEEDS A LICENSE PLATE. OFTENTIMES IN LIFE, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT, THE SIMPLE SOLUTION, THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF US IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT ONE. AND I DO DRIVE A GOLF CART. SO I WAS THINKING A LOT ABOUT THIS. HOW CAN WE PROCEED? WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS? WELL, WHEN I GOT MY FIRST GOLF CART SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I LEARNED WHEN I WENT TO THE DMV THAT BECAUSE I LIVE IN NEW ALBANY, WE HAVE SPECIAL RULES. I NEED TO MEET WITH THE POLICE. I NEED TO GET IT INSPECTED. IT NEEDS TO HAVE LIGHTS, A BUMPER, WINDSHIELD WASHER. NOT EVERY TOWN DOES THAT. NEW ALBANY DOES GREAT. WHY DON'T WE APPLY THOSE SAME STANDARDS TO THE ONE HORSEPOWER VEHICLES? IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE. IF YOU'RE DRIVING SOMEONE THAT GOES 40 MILES AN HOUR, THAT'S 23 MILES AN HOUR FASTER THAN MY GOLF CART. YOU SHOULDN'T BE ON A SIDEWALK. YOU SHOULD BE REGISTERED. YOU SHOULD HAVE HEADLIGHTS. YOU SHOULD HAVE INSURANCE. YOU SHOULD HAVE A LICENSE. YOU'RE A MOTORCYCLE. BY EVERY COMMON SENSE STANDARD AND BY THE STATE. SO TO KEEP THIS SIMPLE, WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS PROPOSING. IF IT'S OVER ONE HORSEPOWER, TREAT IT LIKE A GOLF CART IN REGULATORY FASHION, HAVE A LICENSE, HAVE INSURANCE, AND SO FORTH. THE SECOND WOULD BE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT MILES PER HOUR TONIGHT. WE COULD ALSO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND SAFE. IT'S OVER ONE HORSEPOWER 750W.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED ON BIKE PATHS. AND THE WAY I CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION WAS I JOG OFTEN TIMES AROUND THE BIKE PATHS, AND THERE ARE OLDER PEOPLE WHO NEED THOSE, YOU KNOW, CLASS ONES. IT NEEDS TO HELP THEM BIKE AND GET THROUGH. I DON'T WANT THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO BE ON THE BIKE PATH. SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 60 YEAR OLD MAYOR RIDING AROUND.
OKAY. WHAT WE WANT TO LIMIT IS MOTOR VEHICLES ON BIKE PATHS. AND I THINK THE WAY WE DO THAT IS WE LIMIT THE HORSEPOWER THAT'S ALLOWED ON BIKE PATHS. WE CAN INCORPORATE THE MILES PER HOUR. I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY GREAT SUGGESTION. ALL THE PRESENTATIONS WERE GREAT.
IT COULD EVEN SIMPLIFY IT. IF YOU INCORPORATE A MIXTURE OF MILES PER HOUR BUT ALSO HORSEPOWER. SO IN CLOSING, IF YOU'RE OVER ONE HORSEPOWER REGISTER LIKE A GOLF CART, I THINK THEY'LL ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE CHILDREN THAT ARE RIDING THESE AROUND. AND NUMBER TWO, IF YOU'RE OVER ONE HORSEPOWER, YOU SHOULDN'T BE RIDING AROUND WHERE THERE'S PEDESTRIANS AND CHILDREN. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANDREW. THANK YOU. JUST BACK TO YOUR POINT REGARDING MILES PER HOUR AND WATTAGE. FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR OUR OFFICERS TO SEE THE VEHICLE GO BY AND BE ABLE TO SEE VISUALLY LIKE HOW MANY WATTAGES IS TEN MILES AN HOUR. IT GIVES YOU A GOOD INDICATION. ONCE YOU MAKE THE ENFORCEMENT STOP, THEN YOU CAN INQUIRE FURTHER INTO THE ACTUAL VEHICLE THAT'S BEING OPERATED. AND IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT'S BEYOND A CLASS THREE AND WAS OPERATING ON A PATH, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL CITATION. TOTALLY AGREE. AND I THINK ENFORCEMENT IS ALSO WHAT COMES DOWN HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. IT'S A CHALLENGE TO ENFORCE THIS. AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE ONE MILE, THE ONE HORSEPOWER REGULATORY BARRIER TO BEING 16 BASICALLY AND HAVING LICENSE AND INSURANCE. BECAUSE I THINK ONCE YOU GET TO THAT AGE AS WELL, THAT STARTS TO LIMIT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON A BIKE PATH IN TEN MILES AN HOUR AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S HARDER. I WAS YOUR AGE ONCE, TOO. I LIKED MY MOPED, SO I GET IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? AND MAKE SURE I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME RIGHT, YOUNG MAN. BUT AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. IF YOU CAN JUMP BACK UP THERE. BY THE WAY, IS THIS TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN A ROW FOR YOU? ARE YOU HERE LAST FOR THAT? NO, I DIDN'T YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WILL GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN. 073830 CALDICOTT PLACE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU YOU LISTED DOWN YOUR, YOUR ORGANIZATION AS, AS THE COALITION OF SAFE RIDERS, WHICH IT'S A GREAT NAME. THERE'S A SUGGESTION THAT CAME UP TONIGHT.
YOU STARTED IT. IT WAS CERTAINLY PARROTED BY SOME OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS THIS EVENING
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ABOUT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THESE ARE THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE LIVING WITH, IS THERE IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SAFE RIDERS TO ENGAGE IN THIS BEHAVIOR SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I'M NOT SURE ANY OF US KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE YOU AND YOUR TEAM MIGHT HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO IS TO TAKE SOME TIME AND THINK ABOUT THIS. REACH BACK OUT TO MY OFFICE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND LET'S SIT DOWN. HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT SAFE OPERATION WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHERE. NOT MAKING ANY PROMISES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE WHAT THE POSSIBLE OUTCOMES COULD BE. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU GENTLEMEN COMING HERE THIS EVENING. AS SCOTT POINTED OUT, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY NIGHT. AND AGAIN, MOST OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE PROBABLY BEING DRIVEN BY EACH OF YOU WITHIN THE LIMITATIONS THAT MAY BE ADOPTED BY THE CITY, YOU COULD STILL OPERATE THEM IN CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTS IN THE CITY. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO GO AT SPEEDS BEYOND, WHAT WOULD BE THE LIMITATION? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE THAT WOULD HAPPEN. SO JUST PLEASE TAKE SOME TIME. THINK ABOUT IT. I'M NOT HARD TO FIND. I'M SURE YOUR DAD KNOWS HOW TO GET HOLD OF ME. AND LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, OKAY? THANK YOU. AND AND THE MAYOR'S POINT. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS DO DESCRIBE, I'M SURE A LOT OF OUR CHILDHOODS, YOU KNOW, WE GOT UP, WE RODE BIKES. THEY WERE NOT E-BIKES. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RIDE, AND I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLES YOU GUYS CURRENTLY HAVE AND IF THEY WILL BE ALLOWED. YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONCE WE START TO ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS. BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO NOT BAN E-BIKES OR EV VEHICLES. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME REGULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR SEVEN YEARS. AND THE PUBLIC INTERACTION THAT I'VE HAD ON THIS ISSUE WAS PROBABLY MORE THAN I'VE HAD ON ANY OTHER ISSUE IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL FOLKS IN THE GROCERY STORE, YOU KNOW, WALKING ON THE LEISURE PATHS THAT HAVE NEVER GRABBED ME BEFORE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS. THIS IS THE THING EVERY PERSON THAT SPENDS TIME OUT ON THE PATHS OR SIDEWALKS IN NEW ALBANY HAS BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS RISE IN VEHICLES. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEHAVING IN A MANNER THAT IS DANGEROUS, BUT THERE'S A LARGE YOU KNOW, I, I'M LIKE MR. BILLMAN, I SPENT A LOT OF TIMES WALKING, A LOT OF TIMES RIDING. I'M OUTSIDE ON THE PATHS A LOT, AND WE'VE ALL WITNESSED IT. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE REGULATIONS THAT AREN'T TRYING TO BAN THE USE, BUT TO KIND OF REGULATE AND MAKE IT SAFE FOR EVERYBODY TO USE OUR SIDEWALKS AND THESE PATHS AROUND THE COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN STILL HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FUN. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOVE TINKERING. AND I WOULD DEFINITELY BE ASKING MY MOM FOR ONE OF THESE IF I WAS YOUR AGE AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, I RODE MY BIKE AROUND MY FRIENDS AND NOW I'VE GOT MORE BIKES THAN I CARE TO ADMIT THAT I OWN. AND NONE OF THEM ARE E-BIKES YET. I HAVEN'T BROKEN DOWN. THAT'S.YEAH, WELL, I CAN I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS KEEP YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME NEW REGULATIONS POTENTIALLY. BUT GO OUTSIDE, KEEP, YOU KNOW, MEETING UP AND DOING FUN THINGS TOGETHER JUST BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT YOU KNOW, THE REGULATIONS BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO TO DO THAT STUFF. AND I THINK BECAUSE THE ENERGY AS YOU MENTIONED IS SO HIGH ON THIS TOPIC, I REALLY LIKED WHAT MR. MILLMAN SAID OVER THERE ABOUT AN AMBASSADOR. AND I THINK THAT'S ALMOST SLOAN. WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF GETTING AT RIGHT THERE IS, IS PUTTING A GROUP TOGETHER THAT'S ALMOST LIKE AN AMBASSADOR FOR THE E-BIKES, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD INPUT AND SOME INFORMATION. SO I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND OFFER THAT UP. THANK. AND I GREW UP OUT WEST, YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE UTAH, CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, LOTS OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AND OPPORTUNITIES, LITERALLY MILES AND MILES OF TRAILS THAT YOU COULD RIDE ALL OF THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES ON, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. THERE ARE PLACES IN OHIO WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT RIGHT UP THE STREET HERE. STATE ROUTE 62 MX TRACK. THERE'S A MOTOCROSS FACILITY, INDOOR, OUTDOOR. IT'S PRETTY. IT'S PRETTY NICE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY CATERED TO E-BIKE USERS. THEY PROBABLY SHOULD. THERE'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, GENRE OF YOUNG PEOPLE OUT THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE INTERESTED IN THE OPPORTUNITY. JOE POINTED OUT DOWN STATE ROUTE 33, AS YOU GO DOWN TO ATHENS, JUST OUTSIDE NELSONVILLE, THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, PRETTY NICE MOTOCROSS TRACK. THE WAYNE NATIONAL FOREST HAS A LOT OF RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THE OUTDOORS. SO THERE ARE PLACES THERE NOT IMMEDIATELY CLOSE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRAVEL THERE BY CAR TO GET TO THE FACILITY. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND ABOUT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE MACHINERY THAT YOU HAVE,
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BEING STILL ABLE TO ENGAGE AS FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES AND TINKER WITH DIFFERENT DEVICES.YOU MIGHT JUST HAVE TO FIND A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT. YEAH. AND TIMES REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED ALL THAT MUCH. WHEN I WAS A KID IN THE 70S, I HAD A MINI BIKE AND WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE THOSE ON THE ROAD. BUT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF TRAILS WHERE I GREW UP, BUT I THOUGHT TO MYSELF THAT I COULD RIDE ON THE ROAD. AND ONE DAY I WAS RIDING AND A POLICE OFFICER SAW ME RIDING, AND I THOUGHT I COULD EVADE HIM AND SNUCK TO MY GRANDPARENTS HOUSE DOWN THE BACK ROAD. AND BEFORE I KNEW IT, THERE WAS A POLICE OFFICER KNOCKING ON MY GRANDPARENTS DOOR. BUT THEIR GRANDSON WAS RIDING HIS MINI BIKE, WHICH WAS A 50 CC MINI BIKE, AND BREAKING THE LAW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE THOSE ON THE ROAD. SO TIMES ARE STILL THE SAME. BUT I JUST LIKE YOU GUYS AND I LOVE THE FREEDOM OF BEING ON A MOTORCYCLE, HANGING OUT WITH MY FRIENDS, RIDING ON THE DIRT TRAILS. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE RULES AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SAFETY. WHEN I'M DRIVING DOWN A RESIDENTIAL ROAD AND WHERE I LIVE IN NEW ALBANY LINKS AND THREE OF YOU GUYS, NOT YOU GUYS, BUT THREE, THREE, THREE YOUNG MEN RIDE BY ME AND PASSED ME UP WHILE I'M DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY'RE DOING WHEELIES.
THAT'S NOT THE SAFEST THING TO DO. SO WE HAVE TO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE SAFE. AND THE PEOPLE DRIVING ON THE STREETS IN THEIR AUTOMOBILES ARE SAFE AND THAT PEDESTRIANS ARE SAFE.
SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIMITING YOUR FREEDOM AND YOUR FREE SPIRIT. GOD, I LOVE THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO BE YOUR AGE AGAIN ON ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHEN I SEE THOSE GO DOWN THE ROAD. BUT IT'S IT'S ABOUT YOUR SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE. SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION ON THE ORDINANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD UNDER 373.08. I WOULD MAKE ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KEEP THE ORIGINAL READING. AS IT'S STATED IN THE FIRST READING A NUMBER FIVE. AND ADD AN ADDITIONAL NUMBER SIX THAT STATES AND IT CAN BE CHANGED TO UNDER LEGAL CONSIDERATION AT A SPEED GREATER THAN TEN MILES PER HOUR ON ANY SIDEWALK OR SHARED USE PATH. UNLESS POSTED, SPEED IS GREATER THAN TEN MILES PER HOUR. CAN WE JUST SAY UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED? I HAD THAT ORIGINALLY, UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED. AND IF THAT'S EASIER, THAT'S FINE. I THINK THAT'S EASIER. THAT WAY WE CAN GO UP OR DOWN. YEAH, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S EASIER AND ADDRESSES THE SAME ISSUE. YEAH THAT'S FINE. WELL. SO THERE'S NO NO NUMBER SIX IS NEEDED THEN JUST ADD UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED TO THE ORIGINAL A5 LANGUAGE. YEAH. YEP. SO I GUESS WHILE WE'RE WORDSMITHING TO JOE'S POINT EARLIER, DO WE NEED THE IF WE'RE SETTING A SPEED LIMIT, DO WE NEED THE AND WE'RE POSTING WE'RE GOING TO ADD UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED, DO WE NEED THE REASONABLE AND PRUDENT CLAUSE IN THERE. WHAT IF IT'S LIKE I MEAN NOW WE'RE LIKE A ROAD SPEED LIMIT RIGHT. LIKE IF YOU'RE IF IT'S LIKE HAILING OUTSIDE AND YOU'RE GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR IN A 20 MILE SPEED LIMIT, AND THAT'S NOT REASONABLE, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN TEN MILES AN HOUR IS NOT PRUDENT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON THE PATH. YEAH. I STILL LIKE THE RECKLESS. EVERY CITIZEN HAS A DUTY TO OPERATE AS A REASONABLE AND PRUDENT PERSON. SO KEEP THAT IN THE PARKING GARAGE. OKAY? WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE CHANGE. YEAH. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE'VE HAD SUGGESTIONS, BUT MOTION. DO YOU HAVE A CLEAN? BASICALLY IT'S THE ORIGINAL A FIVE AT A SPEED GREATER THAN IS REASONABLE AND PRUDENT UNDER CONDITIONS THAN EXISTING TEN MILES AN HOUR, TEN MILES PER HOUR ON ANY SIDEWALK SHARED PATH UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED. POSTED, POSTED POSTED. SORRY.
OTHERWISE POSTED. I DON'T IS THAT A MOTION I MOVE TO AMEND? 37308 WITH SAID AMENDMENT.
SECOND SECOND AS WRITTEN IN THE FIRST READING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YEAH, HE WAS SAYING THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. ANY
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FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY. CAN WE OH, WAIT, CAN WE WORDSMITH IT TO I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE SAID IT MUST BE GREATER THAN. I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO SAY THE TEN MILES AN HOUR FIRST. BUT I'M OKAY THE WAY IT IS. JUST. YOU'RE OKAY. I'M OKAY. I CAN STAY IN THOSE THREE WORDS. UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED. I THINK IT I'M COOL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, GOOD. WE GET A SECOND ON THE MOTION. YEAH, I GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DEREK ON THE MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER SHARP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. I'M SORRY, THAT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE MOTION. I'M SORRY YOU DIDN'T STEAL MY AMENDMENT. STEP ON AGAIN. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS ON THE MOTION TO BE MADE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER DEREK ON THE SECOND. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING.
YES. SIX. YES. VOTES ON COUNCIL MEMBER KITS. MOTION TO AMEND 373 .08. TO STICK WITH THE TEN MILES PER HOUR AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED, BUT ALSO ADD THE UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED MOTION PASSES. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR LEGAL COUNSEL. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO AMEND THE AMENDED MOTION TO INCLUDE CHIEF JONES'S CHANGES, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A MOMENT. DO WE HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE MOTION TO PASS AS AN EMERGENCY? I WOULD DO A SEPARATE MOTION ON THIS ONE IN LIGHT OF ALL THE AMENDMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT. AGAIN, BEAR WITH US, MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AS WE COMPLETE THE SAUSAGE MAKING. ALRIGHT, I WOULD MOVE TO AMEND THE AMENDED ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY CHIEF JONES IN HIS RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS. MAYOR SPALDING, FOR THE RECORD, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THAT OFF? BUT FOR THREE, SEVEN, THREE. RIGHT. OH WE'RE TALKING. 373. JUST 373 THOUGH. WELL IT'S ALL OF HIS RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS. WE WE AMENDED HIS FIRST HIS FIRST ONE. WE'VE ADDRESSED THE TOP ONE.
WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM ONE. ALL RIGHT. LET ME WITHDRAW THE MOTION. TRY AGAIN. ALL RIGHT I WOULD MOVE TO AMEND THE AMENDED ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY CHIEF JONES TO 373.11 SECOND. OKAY. MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO AMEND. THREE 73.11 TO NOW INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE WHEN AN APPROPRIATE SIGN PROHIBITING SUCH USE IS POSTED ON THE PATH IN A MANNER AND AT A AT LOCATIONS DETERMINED BY THE CITY. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I WOULD MOVE TO DECLARE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE OH FOUR 2025 AS AN EMERGENCY. SECOND. THAT AS MAYOR SPALDING.
YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO DECLARE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE AS AN EMERGENCY. AND FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAIVES THE 30 DAY REFERENDUM PERIOD SO THAT THE ORDINANCE WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. AND WE WILL OBVIOUSLY COMMUNICATE THESE CHANGES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, TRY TO CONTINUE OUR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY. AND. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? ONE MORE POINT OF MOTION. YES, MOTION. WE NOW HAVE TO ADOPT THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. OH, YES.
AMENDMENTS. WE'VE DECLARED AN EMERGENCY AND NOW WE NEED TO ADOPT IT AS AMENDED. ALL RIGHT.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AMENDED ORDINANCE AS AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE. 0402 25 SECOND MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KIS. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WELCH. YES. SIX. YES. VOTES TO ADOPT THE AMENDED OH 40 2025 ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED AS. AND JUST AS I WAS COMMENTING, WE WILL MAKE SURE AND CONTINUE OUR COMMUNICATIONS EFFORTS WITH THE COMMUNITY. MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE STANDARDS AND OBLIGATIONS MOVING FORWARD. HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SIGNAGE AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. AND OF COURSE, SUPPORT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AS THEY'RE ENDEAVORING TO SET A STANDARD AND WHERE NECESSARY, ENFORCE THE LAW. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO ORDINANCE. OH 41 2025, AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR 56 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON 19.21 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES AND ACCEPT RESERVE C1, F2, J, AND K FOR PHASE TWO OF THE COURTYARDS AT HAYNES CREEK SUBDIVISION, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD AND JUG STREET INTERSECTIONS, AS REQUESTED BY HAYNES CREEK, LLC. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. SO THIS IS A FINAL
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PLAT APPLICATION FOR PHASE TWO OF THE COURTYARDS AT HAYNES CREEK. THE LOCATION HERE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OR NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF JUG STREET AND CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED, IS SURROUNDED BY CITY AND TOWNSHIP RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.SO HERE'S THE OVERALL SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN AS SHOWN PREVIOUSLY. THE GREEN IS PHASE ONE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. PHASE TWO IS IN THE RED, WHICH IS BEING HEARD TONIGHT, AND PHASE THREE WILL COME AT A LATER DATE. HERE'S THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT. THERE ARE TWO NEW ROADWAYS BEING PROPOSED HEIDELBERG DRIVE AND MARIETTA DRIVE, AND THEN THERE ARE EXISTING ROADWAYS THAT ARE BEING EXTENDED. WOOSTER DRIVE HERE IN LANE, WHICH IS AN ALLEY, HAYNES CREEK DRIVE AND LORD'S DRIVE AS WELL. THE YELLOW ALONG THE EASTERN AND WESTERN BOUNDARIES ARE THE 30 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION ZONES. THESE PRESERVATION ZONES WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING TEXT AND A CONTINUATION OF PHASE ONE OF THE SUBDIVISION, AND HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN IS THE RESERVE C1 AT THE TOP. SORRY, C1 K. WE HAVE J HERE AND THEN F2. SO HERE'S THE FULL IMAGE OF C1 WHICH WAS CUT OFF IN THE LAST SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. OF WAY WIDTHS AND MEDICATIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATIONS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OF J. REGARDING THE ORDINANCE I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ORDINANCE OH 41 2025? SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE? I MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 41 2025 SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KENT.
YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FALLOWS. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO ADOPT.
ORDINANCE OH 41 2025 INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCES. WE HAVE NONE ON
[11. RESOLUTIONS AND PUBLIC HEARING]
TONIGHT'S AGENDA. RESOLUTIONS ON PUBLIC HEARING RESOLUTION R 38 2025 A RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH A HEALTH BENEFIT SELF-INSURANCE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY EMPLOYEES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY AND RELATED CONTRACTS FOR THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES FOR HEALTH PRESCRIPTION, ANCILLARY STOP LOSS INSURANCE, AND WELLNESS PROGRAM BENEFITS EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2026, AND WAIVE COMPETITIVE BIDDING. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS RESOLUTION FOLLOWS OUR 35 20, 25 THAT WAS ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER THAT ALLOWED THE CITY TO WITHDRAW FROM THE EDC IN FAVOR OF THE CITY, ESTABLISHING ITS OWN SELF-INSURANCE PROGRAM. THE JUST OKAY. IT COULD BE THAT IN THE PREVIOUS TIMES WE'VE HAD IT, WHERE OUR FREQUENCY ON THE MICROPHONES IS GETTING INTERFERED WITH WITH FREQUENCIES OVER AT PD, I WILL FOLLOW UP AND SEE IF THAT'S HAPPENING AGAIN. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN MY FOOT ON THE WIRE. IT COULD BE OKAY, WE'LL CHECK THAT OUT AND THOUGHT THE WIRE AND OR JUST WANT TO WAKE EVERYBODY UP. YEAH. I'M AWAKE. JUST KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. MATT, SPEAKING OF HEALTH PLANS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THE CITY'S EXIT FROM THE HCC, THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO PROMPTLY EXECUTE CONTRACTS TO PROVIDE THESE BENEFITS TO OUR EMPLOYEES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR THE 2026 PLAN YEAR. THE CITY'S BROKER HUB OBTAINED PROPOSALS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND LEADING UP TO THE DECISION TO LEAVE THIS WEEK. AS A RESULT OF THOSE PROPOSALS, THE CITY WILL BE SELECTING THE JEFFERSON HEALTH PLAN, WHICH PROVIDES A FAVORABLE STOP LOSS PROGRAM AND FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CITY TO CHOOSE A HEALTH PLAN AND FUNDING MODEL THAT MEETS ITS NEEDS, ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF THE HCC WILL REMAIN THE TPA FOR 2026, AND PRESCRIPTION BENEFITS WILL BE MOVED TO OPTIMOX. HUB OBTAINED FAVORABLE TERMS FOR METLIFE FOR OUR LIFE, SHORT TERM ACCIDENT AND VOLUNTARY INSURANCE PROGRAMS, AND THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN ITS WELLNESS PROGRAM THROUGH MOUNT CARMEL. WEAVING THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING WILL EXPEDITE THE CONTRACTING PROCESS TO MEET OUR ENROLLMENT DEADLINES FOR THE 2026 BENEFITS PLAN YEAR, WHICH IS COMING UP VERY SOON. THIS RESOLUTION CAN BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. DOES THIS CHANGE OR MODIFY THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PERIOD? IF WE'RE CHANGING HEALTH PLAN PROVIDERS? I'M ACTUALLY PLANNING TO HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT NEXT WEEK. SO[01:40:01]
THE ABILITY TO SIGN CONTRACTS THIS WEEK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. BUT WE CAN MODIFY THAT OPEN ENROLLMENT PERIOD TO ALLOW FOR THOSE CONTRACT PERIODS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 38 2025 SEEING PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 35 2025 SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS. YES.COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO ADOPT. RESOLUTION R 35 2025. RESOLUTION R 39 2025. A RESOLUTION DECLARING THE OFFICIAL INTENT AND REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY ON BEHALF OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE BORROWER, TO REIMBURSE ITS CAPITAL FUNDS FROM THE CC 27 X CC 28 X US 62 STATE ROUTE 65 BYPASS MARKET STREET EXTENSION. WITH THE PERIODS OF TAX EXEMPT DEBT OF THE STATE OF OHIO. THAT'S NOT EVEN AN ENGLISH. I'M SORRY, I JUST PUT IN THERE WHATEVER THEY TOLD ME, I KNOW. GOOD EVENING.
I'M JEREMY GRAY. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T MET WORK IN THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS RESOLUTION IS A RESOLUTION OF INTENT THAT MUST BE ADOPTED BY THE CITY WHEN SEEKING REIMBURSEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION COSTS RELATED TO A TAX EXEMPT DEBT. CITY COUNCIL HAD AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER THROUGH RESOLUTION R, DASH 40 1-2019 TO SEEK FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION RELATED TO THE MARKET STREET EXTENSION PROJECT, A PROJECT GRANT AND LOAN AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED IN JULY 2020 FOR THIS PROJECT WITH THE OPC OPWC FOR $1 MILLION, WITH 244,000 OF IT COMING IN THE FORM OF A GRANT AND THE REMAINING 756,000, IN THE FORM OF A LOAN. THIS PROJECT WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED BY THE END OF NOVEMBER 2025. IN ORDER TO SUBMIT REIMBURSEMENTS FOR EXPENSES ALREADY PAID, THIS RESOLUTION MUST BE ADOPTED. THE RESOLUTION MAY BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION. ALL RIGHT THEN I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 39 2025 SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION MOVE ADOPTION RESOLUTION R 39 2025 SECOND COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER. KIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. I JUST REALIZED MY MICROPHONE IS ON.
COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL. MAYOR. SPALDING YES, I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION R 39 2025. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY FOR
[13. REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES]
THIS EVENING. REPORTS ARE REPRESENTATIVES JOHNNY UPDATE FROM WEBSITE. JUST ONE. YEAH I WAS I HAD A CONFLICTING BOARD MEETING IN NORTHWEST OHIO, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING. HOWEVER, I DO HAVE ONE ITEM AND THAT IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT MORSI, THE CITY OF FORT WAYNE AND THE SOUTHWESTERN PENNSYLVANIA COMMISSION, I BELIEVE THAT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION, COMMITTED A TOTAL OF $650,000 TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PASSENGER RAIL CORRIDOR, AND THAT CORRIDOR WOULD CONNECT COLUMBUS TO FORT WAYNE, CHICAGO AND PITTSBURGH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS A MATCHING PORTION OF THE GRANT THAT WAS REQUESTED.AND ACCORDING TO THE MORSI PUBLICATION, ABOUT 400,000 OF THAT MATCH CAME FROM CENTRAL OHIO COMMUNITIES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW THEY ALSO COVERED AT THE MEETING THE CAPITAL BUDGET PROCESS THAT'S KICKING OFF AT THE STATEHOUSE. SO COMMUNITIES HAVE CAPITAL PROJECT NEEDS OR PROJECTS. THEY CAN SUBMIT THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT'S BEEN LAID OUT. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO STAFF. THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF US SUBMITTING A PROJECT THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME REGIONAL SUPPORT. AND SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN SUCCEED IN THAT REQUEST. ANY UPDATE FROM THE JOINT PARTNERS? JUST ONE THIS SATURDAY, FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW, IS TRUNK OR TREAT OUT AT BETHLEHEM FROM 3 TO 6 P.M. AND THE EVENT WILL BE IN THE GREEN ZONE. THAT'S TRADITIONALLY ALWAYS VERY WELL ATTENDED, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING IT THIS WEEKEND. GREAT. ANY UPDATE FROM NEW ALBANY PLAIN LOCAL SCHOOLS? I CAN DO ONE. GO FORWARD. YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. COOL. IT WAS A HALF HOUR MEETING, SO I GOT THIS ONE. THEY HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT.
THEY KICKED IT OFF. PAUL NAOUMOFF WAS HONORED FOR TEN YEARS OF SERVICE ON THE BOARD, BY THE BOARD COMMISSION. WHOEVER DOES THOSE SORT OF THINGS. MR. SAWYERS SHARED THAT
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THE NEW BUILDING IS GOING TO BE GOING IN FRONT OF ARB ON NOVEMBER 10TH. SO IT'S THE NEXT STEP IN THE NEW SCHOOL BUILDING PROCESS, AND THEY ARE HOPING TO HAVE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICING FROM SICILY SOMETIME IN DECEMBER FOR THE PROJECT. THEY SHARED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A DESIGN MEETING FOR THE SITE WITH THE CITY TODAY, WHICH HAPPENED, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF JOE OR ADRIAN OR ANYBODY WANTED TO SHARE ANY UPDATE FROM THAT. I JUST LOOKED OVER. I'M SURE ADRIAN DIDN'T REALIZE. YEAH, SO THERE WAS A DESIGN MEETING. I'M SURE JOE COULD PROBABLY UPDATE US AT SOME POINT WITH THE OUTCOME OF THAT, AND THEN AT THE VERY END. BECKY JENKINS SHARED THAT HOUSE BILL 335 IS STILL MOVING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW. AND AS A REMINDER, THAT IS THE ONE THAT ELIMINATES INSIDE MILLAGE FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THAT WOULD SHE GUESSTIMATED THAT WOULD IMPACT THE DISTRICT BY ABOUT $7.5 MILLION ANNUALLY. SO IT'S NOT NOTHING. SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY KEEPING AN EYE ON THE PROGRESS OF THAT. SO THAT WAS IT FOR SCHOOL. ALL RIGHT. ANY UPDATE FROM THE TOWNSHIP? TOWNSHIP DID MEET LAST WEEK A COUPLE OF THINGS. THEY DID APPROVE THE THIRD AMENDED RESTATED JOINT OPERATING AGREEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY ARTS CENTER. ALSO, THEY DID APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE A $20,000 DONATION FOR THE GOLD STAR MEMORIAL THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IN ROSE RUN PARK. THEY DID INDICATE THAT IDEALLY, THEY WILL GET DELIVERY OF A NEW ENGINE, POSSIBLY IN NOVEMBER AS IT'S BEING FITTED. IT'S BEEN A THREE YEAR PROCESS TO GET TO THIS POINT. BETWEEN THE THE LARGE DELAYS IN GETTING ANY VEHICLES, EMTS AS WELL AS FIRE ENGINES.[14. REPORTS OF CITY OFFICIALS]
THAT'S IT. THANKS FOR THE UPDATE REPORT. CITY OFFICIALS REALLY NOTHING FROM THE MAYOR EXCEPT JUST TO CONGRATULATE STAFF THAT WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DIWALI CELEBRATION. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST SO BLESSED TO HAVE SUCH TALENTED, ENERGETIC PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE AT THE CITY. AND OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY EVENTS TEAM JUST DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB.JUST A HATS OFF TO EVERYONE. ANY UPDATE FROM THE CLERK? JUST QUICKLY A REMINDER THAT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP IS HAPPENING IN NOVEMBER, AND I'LL BE SENDING OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT SOON, BUT KEEP THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR. ALL RIGHT. ANY UPDATE FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR? BE PREPARED TO HEAR FROM ME A LOT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. NO, I HANDED OUT THE SEPTEMBER MONTH END. QUICK REPORT. A LOT OF THE SAME. WE'RE ABOUT 75% THROUGH THE YEAR IN THIS REPORT.
OUR INCOME TAX HAS EXCEEDED MAINLY THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, WITHHOLDING AND SOME NET PROFIT.
OUR EXPENSES ARE ABOUT 50% OF OUR BUDGET, SO WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL WITH THAT. THAT IS THE FIRST PAGE. THE SECOND AND THIRD PAGES CONSIST OF OUR FUND BALANCES FOR ALL CITY FUNDS.
AND THEN THE LAST THREE PAGES ARE THE INVESTMENT ACTIVITY. AND WE DO HAVE AN INVESTMENT OR FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING COMING UP ON THURSDAY, WHERE WE'LL MEET WITH OUR INVESTORS, TO INVESTMENT ADVISORS TO DISCUSS 2026 AS WELL. I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER KIS GAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT HOUSE BILL THAT IMPACTS INSIDE MILLAGE FOR THE SCHOOLS. THE CITY'S IMPACT IS NOT QUITE AS DRAMATIC, BUT DO WE HAVE A BALLPARK CALCULATION? IF INSIDE KNOWLEDGE WENT AWAY? WELL, ALL OF OUR INSIDE MILLAGE OR ALL OF OUR MILLAGE IS INSIDE VILLAGE, SO I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT DID FOR THE CITY. BUT WE ONLY HAVE 1.9 FOR MILLS. SO POTENTIALLY. OKAY. ANY UPDATE FROM CITY MANAGER? JUST ONE ITEM. AS I MENTIONED IN MY RECENT EMAIL TO COUNCIL, WE RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES TO OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS. AND I KNOW COUNCIL EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN FORMING A COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM TO TO PAIR THAT LIST OF PROPOSAL PROPOSING COMPANIES FROM WHATEVER IT WOULD HAVE TURNED
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OUT TO BE IN THIS CASE FOR DOWN TO POSSIBLY TWO. AND THOSE FIRMS WOULD BE THEN INTERVIEWED BY THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. I ASSUME THAT'S STILL THE PATH COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE. IF IF COUNCIL WOULD SELECT 2 OR 3 REPRESENTATIVES AND WE CAN BEGIN THAT PROCESS. SO JUST BY A SHOW OF HANDS AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT SOME WAY OF ELIMINATION. WHO'S INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROCESS OF SELECTING THE VENDOR I WOULD DO. ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE YOUR THREE OKAY. FOR THE RECORD WHO ARE THE THREE I WAS LOOKING COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER. SHULL SHOW. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, LET'S DRAW STRAWS. LOOK AT THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE CITY MANAGER? NO. THANK YOU. ANY UPDATE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY? NOTHING. UPDATE. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE COVERED SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON TONIGHT. A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT. ALL RIGHT, PAUL, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SCOTT, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. ALL RIGHT.[16. POLL FOR COUNCIL COMMENT]
APPRECIATE YOU HANGING WITH US FOR THE WHOLE MEETING. PAUL, FOR COUNCIL COMMENT. ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENT OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT AND DO THAT AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA DO IT NOW. ANY COUNCIL COMMENT I HAVE? YES, I HAVE A COMMENT. I WAS WRITING DOWN. EXCUSE ME, I THINK I DISCONNECTED IT. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. CAN SOMEONE HAND THEIR MICROPHONE TO HIM FOR NOW I GOT IT. IT'S NOT. IT'S RELATIVELY MINOR, BUT I WAS I WAS WRITING DOWN 161 EAST OF BEACH ROAD, EAST OF BEACH ROAD TO ME, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FENCE LINES ALONG THE HIGHWAY THERE, BOTH EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND. SO IT'S THE WHITE RAIL FENCE. AND PLUS THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE BETWEEN BEACH AND MINK. BETWEEN BEACH AND MINK. I BELIEVE THAT'S STILL OUR RESPONSIBILITY.OR WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT? NORTH OR SOUTH SIDE? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE BOTH SIDES. THAT SHOULD BE THE BUSINESS OWNERS ASSOCIATION. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A MESS. THE FENCES AREN'T BEING UPDATED UP, PAINTED OR MAINTAINED THAT SOME OF IT'S CHAIN LINK THAT ARE ON THE GROUND. THERE'S TRASH ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT'S NOT BEING CLEANED UP. AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR MONTHS, AND THERE'S BEEN NO ATTENTION TO IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WORLD, A WORLD CLASS BUSINESS CAMPUS OUT THERE. AND IT'S JUST DOESN'T REPRESENT NEW ALBANY VERY WELL WHEN WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING THOSE FENCE LINES BETWEEN MINK AND BEACH ROAD ALONG 161.
THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THERE WAS A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE AN
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO OHIO REVISED CODE ONE 2122 G2 TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.IF PREMATURE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WOULD GIVE AN UNFAIR COMPETITIVE OR BARGAINING ADVANTAGE TO A PERSON WHOSE PERSONAL PRIVATE INTEREST IS ADVERSE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST. SECOND. MAYOR SPALDING. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER. DURHAM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PHILLIPS. YES. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.
KISS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 8:23 P.M. FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ON THE STREAM, WE WILL TURN OFF THE SOUND BUT THE VIDEO WILL CONTINUE TO RUN. COUNCIL WILL ARE PUSHING. THANKE ARE PUSHING SOUNDS. SOMEONE WANT TO BRING US BACK OUT? I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND RESUME THE REGULAR SESSION AND RESUME THE REGULAR SESSION. SECOND SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER. KISS.
YES. COUNCIL. DERRICK. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. WILTROUT. YES.
MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. FELLOWS. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. RESUME THE REGULAR SESSION AT 9:14 P.M. COUNCIL, BEFORE YOU GET
[17. OTHER BUSINESS]
EAGER, I HAVE A MATTER FOR OTHER BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. OTHER BUSINESS. CLARK. MASON, WHILE YOU WERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, LAW DIRECTOR ALBRECHT AND I DISCOVERED THERE IS A SECOND REFERENCE TO THE TEN MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ORDINANCE OH FOUR 2025 THAT WE DID NOT APPEND THAT OR AS OTHERWISE POSTED TO. SO WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT NOW. HE AND I DISCUSSED THIS AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT AS AN AMENDMENT UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. SO I WOULD ASK FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND ORDINANCE OH FOUR 2025, SPECIFICALLY SECTION 373 .10 5C1 AFTER THE TEN MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT REFERENCE TO ADD OR UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED, WHAT WAS THE CODE SECTION? AGAIN, IT'S 373 .10 5C1. CAN WE DO A. SO MOVED ON THAT ONE. THAT'S KIND OF HOW I PHRASED IT. THAT'S SO MOVED SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER KISS.[01:55:05]
YES. COUNCILMEMBER. WILTSHIRE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. FALLOWS. YES.COUNCIL MEMBER. DERRICK. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. I HAVE SIX YES. VOTES TO AMEND ORDINANCE OH FOUR 2025 AS MOVED SPECIFICALLY TO ADD TWO 373 .105 C1 OR AS OTHERWISE POSTED AFTER THE TEN MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. ALL MOTION PASSES UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS MADE A SUBSTANTIAL FINANCIAL INVESTMENT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY BY WORKING WITH OUR FRIEND LEO ROBERTO AT FEAZEL ROOFING TO PURCHASE THE FORMER DISCOVER CARD SITE, AND HOPEFULLY DEDICATING SOME OF THAT LAND FOR ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY USE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CITY MANAGER, JOE STEFANOFF, WORKING DIRECTLY WITH SUPERINTENDENT MICHAEL SAWYERS. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED ON THIS TOPIC AS WELL, WITH SOME OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, BUT OBVIOUSLY BEING A PUBLIC BODY, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AS A GROUP WITHOUT WITH THE LIMITATIONS ON THE LAW. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO THIS IN A IN A VERY OPEN PUBLIC WAY, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT AS WE'RE NEARING COMPLETION OF THAT LAND PURCHASE, IT FEELS LIKE EVERYTHING IS MOVING OR PROGRESSING APPROPRIATELY IN THAT DIRECTION. AGAIN, WE DON'T YET POSSESS THE LAND, BUT WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO COMPLETE THAT TRANSACTION AS WE DO SO AND ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING THE USE OF SOME OF THIS PROPERTY. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE, AS A GROUP, TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR EXPECTATIONS AND GAVE CLEAR DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER ON HOW TO PROCEED MOVING FORWARD AS IT RELATES TO THIS, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL COMMENT REGARDING EXPECTATIONS REGARDING THE USE OF THE LAND.
GO AHEAD. OKAY. OKAY. YES. INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY UNDERSTANDS THE THE IMMEDIATE NEED FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO RELOCATE THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED, WHERE THE NEW SCHOOL BUILDING IS GOING TO BE LOCATED. AND THAT WOULD BE PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN CONTRACT TO PURCHASE. FUTURE PHASES, I THINK CAN BE NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY AS THEY ARISE, AND I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD STARTING SITE PLAN TO WORK FROM NOW, BUT I, I SUPPORT LEASING 100% OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WITH THE LARGE CAVEAT THAT ANY FUTURE PHASES BEYOND THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS REQUIRE CITY AND COUNCIL APPROVAL AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. I WOULD ECHO COUNCILMEMBER KISSES SENTIMENT. I THINK WE GAVE WE WE WE WANTED TO GO INTO THE TRANSACTION WITH ROBERTO, AND I THINK WITH THE INTENTION OF HELPING THE SCHOOLS AND SUPPORTING THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT THAT SAME DESIRE CONTINUES OUT THROUGH THE WHOLE SITE. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT SHARED OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE SEEN. AND I WOULD WANT TO OFFER THE ENTIRE SITE FOR FUTURE PLANNING.
I WOULD CONCUR AS WELL. AND I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT PART OF THAT LEASE LAND TO THE SCHOOLS IS ALSO DEVELOPED SO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY CAN USE IT NOT ONLY DURING SCHOOL HOURS BUT AFTER SCHOOL HOURS AS WELL. AND I KNOW THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAVE ENGAGED WITH, YOU KNOW, VERY WELL RESPECTED PLANNERS TO LOOK AT THE SITE AND THE FACILITY NEEDS AND, YOU KNOW, MOVE THINGS AROUND ON THAT SPACE TO MAKE IT FIT. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY'VE PROGRESSED NICELY THROUGH THAT PROCESS. ALSO HAVING SOME EXPECTATION FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT THERE BE SOME, AGAIN, BROADER COMMUNITY USE TO REALLY CREATE THIS, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE WITHIN THE CENTER OF TOWN THAT THE COMMUNITIES THAT LIVE IN PROXIMATE TO THAT CAN USE IT FOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES BEYOND JUST, YOU KNOW, GOING TO WATCH THE EAGLES COMPETE IN DIFFERENT SPORTING EVENTS. SO I THINK WE'RE ALL LEANING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE'S SOME BROADER COMMUNITY USE. AND I THINK THE PLANNERS HAVE WORKED HARD TO MEET THAT EXPECTATION. I CONCUR WITH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ACQUIRING LAND, THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY USE, GIVEN THE CENTRAL LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH OF THAT AROUND. IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED. AND I THINK THAT LEASING ALL OF IT TO THE SCHOOLS IS FINE, AND THAT WE DO
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HAVE THE CAVEAT TO DEVELOP COMMUNITY USE FACILITIES OR PROGRAM OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE PROPERTY. BUT I ALSO WANT US TO BE VERY DILIGENT AND CLEAR WITH RESPECT TO LEASE TERMS AND MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR AND UPKEEP. SINCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS LAND WILL BELONG TO THE SCHOOLS OR NOT BELONG TO THE SCHOOLS, BUT BE UTILIZED BY THE SCHOOLS, AND AS SUCH, THAT SHOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. WHETHER IT'S A DOLLAR A YEAR TO LEASE THE LAND IS TRIVIAL. THE REAL COST IS IN THE ONGOING UPKEEP, MAINTENANCE, LANDSCAPE CLEANUP, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. AND WE SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR AS TO WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AND COSTS ARE WITH RESPECT TO THAT. YEAH. SO I'M OKAY WITH LEASING THE LAND, BUT THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT ENDEAVOR TO EVERYTHING THAT TO I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING WE'VE DONE TO THIS MAGNITUDE WHERE IT'S SHARED. I UNDERSTAND THE MCCOY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF CLEARLY DEFINED PROPERTY. THIS IS BROADER AND MORE UNIVERSAL. SO I DON'T THINK WE GO DEEPLY INTO THIS. THE LEASE TERMS. I AGREE THAT I MEAN, WE'VE DONE SOME GREAT THINGS WITH MIRACLE FIELD. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE JOINT PARKS AND SIMILAR FASHION. AND I WOULD AGREE, IT DOES COME DOWN TO THE LEASE AND MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE SIMILAR TO YOURS. IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE ABOUT THE LEASE, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE SOME COMMUNITY USE IN THERE. AND I THINK WE'RE ON THAT PATH BECAUSE IT IS IN A LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD USE IT. WITH A LOT OF OUR 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THE LINKS AND EVERYTHING DOWN THE PARK, AS WELL AS HOPEFULLY PEOPLE COMING, YOU KNOW, FROM WINDSOR. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF AREAS THAT COULD USE THIS. SO BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, GREAT, I LOVE IT. MAYBE SOME OTHER USES, BUT DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE SOME COMMUNITY USE IN THERE AS WELL.YEAH. BUT THE ONE THING I, I AGREE AND THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY, IF THERE ARE EXTENDED FACILITIES BEYOND BASEBALL, SAY FOOTBALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK HARD AT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACE THAT'S ALLOCATED THERE A BIGGER STADIUM, PROGRAMS LIKE THIS, OTHER COMMUNITY, THINGS GOING ON IN THERE. WHEN I GO TO A FOOTBALL GAME, THERE'S CARS PARKED DOWN EVERY STREET AND CORNER, RUSTY BUCKET EVERYWHERE AROUND TOWN. I CAN'T SEE PARKING ON 605 IN NEW ALBANY ROAD DURING BALL GAMES, ETC. SO I THINK WHATEVER IS CONSTRUCTED WITH RESPECT TO PARKING IT BETTER BE VERY SUBSTANTIAL, ESPECIALLY WITH A BIGGER STADIUM. AND I THINK THAT WOULD GET THAT'D GET PICKED UP IN PLANNING COMMISSION AND SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU YEAH, THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR A STADIUM, BUT WHEN YOU START TO INCORPORATE ALL THE OTHER USES. YEAH, THAT EXPAND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT WHERE THE PARKING LIMITATIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHURCH OF THE RESURRECTION UNDER CONSTRUCTION DURING FRIDAY NIGHT, YOU KNOW, FOOTBALL GAMES, THERE ARE SOME BUSINESS CAMPUSES IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THERE THAT I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE SCHOOLS TO REACH OUT AND DISCUSS POSSIBLE LEASE ARRANGEMENTS FOR USE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, PREDOMINANTLY 9 TO 5 TYPE BUSINESSES FOR PARKING AFTER HOURS, ESPECIALLY AT THE STADIUMS TO THE NORTH SIDE. THERE'S THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WHICH I THINK WE NEED SOME SAFE CROSSWALKS. BUT I THINK THAT'S GREAT. AND IF THERE'S CROSSWALKS, CLEARLY. BUT I HAVE TROUBLE IF IF THEY FEEL THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ON 605, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT'S A NEW ALBANY ROAD IS GOING TO BE VERY RISKY. YEAH.
I'M VERY EXCITED, THOUGH, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL PUBLIC USES, COMMUNITY USES THAT CAN BE IN THAT PARK. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN ALL KIND OF ENJOY THAT SPACE TOGETHER. AND I THINK THE WHOLE THE WHOLE SPACE WOULD BE REALLY ENERGIZED. AND I THINK IT'LL BE A REALLY GREAT AMENITY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. ALL RIGHT. JOE, DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED? THANK YOU FOR YOUR DIRECTION. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. AND BEN AND I WILL GO TO WORK ON PUTTING TOGETHER A LEASE WHICH WILL BRING BACK TO YOU AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE TERMS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN. ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL BUSINESS FOR CONSIDERATION, ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. AND WE ADJOURN SECOND. ALL RIGHT. GOT WHAT YOU NEEDED. AND WE ARE ADJOURNING AT
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