[I. Call to order]
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ALL READY. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH. CAN WE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE. PRESENT, MR. SHELL. PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS, MR. LARSON. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. PRESENT. FOR VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT, WE HAVE A
[III. Action on minutes: October 20, 2025]
QUORUM. BRINGS US TO ACTION ON THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 20TH. DO WE NOTE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING. I JUST NOTE THERE A DISCREPANCY, AND AND YOU'LL YOU'LL EITHER YOU'LL DOUBLE CHECK. RIGHT. SURE. YES. OKAY, SO ON THE MINUTES, WE HAVE NOTED THAT THERE MIGHT BE A DISCREPANCY IN THE DETAILS OF THE BATCH PLANT ITEM SET RATES, WHATEVER IT IS, 79 ON THERE.AND ASIDE FROM THAT, OTHER OTHER CORRECTIONS. FOR ME HERE. OKAY. MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES SUBJECT TO JUST CHECKING AND CONFIRMING THE SECOND ON THE QUEUE. 79 2025 STAFF REPORTS ACCEPTANCE MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE MINUTES. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. SHELL? YES. MR. LARSON YES, YES. HABIT. MOTION PASSES WITH FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. WITH CHECKING THAT FOR THE DISCREPANCY ON THE FOR THE SECOND ON QUEUE. 79 20, 25, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA? NONE FROM STAFF. OKAY. WOULD EVERYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION PLEASE RISE? PROBABLY. YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE TO ADDRESS. OKAY. NO ONE'S. NO ONE BUT STAFF IS SPEAKING TONIGHT. ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION? YEAH, YEAH. SO THEN YOU JUST WANT TO STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR HAND? JUST GET SWORN IN? YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SO YOU NEED TO BE UNDER OATH. THANK YOU.
YEP. YES, THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD TIME. SO DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. LET US MAKE OUR PHONES BE SILENT. OKAY. ITEM FIVE HEARING OF BUSINESS. FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH VISITORS HEARING?
[VI. Cases]
NONE. WE MOVE ON TO OUR CASES. OUR FIRST CASE IS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. EIGHT DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE SHOP. AND I'LL NOTE THE CONDITION. I'M SORRY. 83. CONDITIONAL USE 84 AND VARIANCE 85 ARE ALSO TIED TO THE SAME APPLICATION, AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE HEARING THEM INTERMIXED. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. IF IT PLEASE THE COMMISSION, I WILL PRESENT THEM ALL AT ONCE. PERFECT. SO WE HAVE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FOR A NEW DUTCH BROS COFFEE SHOP AT 9930 JONESTOWN ROAD, IN ADDITION TO A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE SHOP AND RELATED VARIANCES FOR THAT COFFEE SHOP. THIS IS THE SITE AT 9930 JONESTOWN ROAD, LOCATED IN THE COMMUNITY TRUST CORE ALONG US 62. SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDE GAS STATIONS LIKE TURKEY HILL AND SHEETZ, AND RESTAURANTS LIKE POPEYES AND THE ADJACENT DAIRY QUEEN AND WENDY'S. SO THIS IS PROPOSED JUST SOME CONTEXT TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE REVIEW THIS. THE USER OPERATES EXCLUSIVELY FOR DRIVE THROUGH AND WALK UP SERVICE, WITH INTERIOR ACCESS LIMITED TO STAFF. SO THERE ARE THREE ACCESS POINTS ON THIS SITE PLAN WITH TWO CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT OR AGREEMENTS, AND THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM HERE. IT'S KIND OF A CROSS ACCESS AND KIND OF JUST DIRECTLY TO WOODCREST WAY, A PRIVATE DRIVE BACK THERE.THEY ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THAT DRIVE THROUGH SHOWN IN RED HERE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA AND WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING HERE A VARIANCE FOR PARKING. THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING REQUIRES THERE TO BE 13 PARKING SPACES, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING NINE. THE REDUCED PARKING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NARROW SITE, AND IT ALIGNS WITH THE SITE'S FUNCTION. THE LANDSCAPING OVERALL MEETS CODE.
WE INCLUDED A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THIS BEAUTIFUL TABLE THAT KIND OF SHOWS ALL OF THE OR AT LEAST MOST OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND ZONING TEXT REQUIREMENTS AND HOW THEY MET THEM. SO THIS IS THE THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. AND JUST A QUICK NOTE, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS
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INCORRECT SIGNAGE. THE CORRECT SIGNAGE IS PART OF THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE, WHICH SHOULD BE THE LAST THING IN YOUR PACKETS. WHAT IS SHOWN HERE IS THE FULL CORRECT PROPOSAL. SO THE ELEVATIONS AND SIGNAGE ARE CORRECT ON HERE. THE ARCHITECTURE IS CORRECT HERE MEANS WHAT THEY WANT SUBMITTED OR HAVE THEIR IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF AND NOT SUBJECT TO VARIANCE. IT IS WHAT THEY WANT SUBMITTED. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. THANK PROCEED PLEASE. THE ARCHITECTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. AND THE ARCHITECT DID RECOMMEND THOSE BRICKED IN WINDOWS. SO THAT WORKS AS WELL AS THE PROJECTING OVERHANGS. THERE IS A OR THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES HERE. VARIANCE BE IS TO ALLOW NO OPERABLE, OPERABLE AND ACTIVE FRONT DOORS. THIS IS AGAIN DUE TO THE OPERATIONAL MODEL WITH NO INTERNAL PUBLIC ACCESS. THEY INSTEAD USE A WALK UP WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND HERE, AND THEN VARIANCE TO ALLOW THREE WALL SIGNS ON THE FRONT AND TWO ON THE SIDES. THIS IS ONLY ALLOWED TWO WALL SIGNS BECAUSE OF ITS TWO BUILDING FRONTAGES, SO THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED WALL SIGNS. SO THE ONE ON TOP HERE IS PROPOSED FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION AND FOR THE WEST SIDE ELEVATION. AND THEN THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM THERE IS ON THE EAST SIDE ELEVATION. THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TEN TOTAL WALL MOUNTED VENUE SIGNS WITH FIVE ON EACH SIDE ELEVATION. THIS INCLUDES ONE MENU BOARD SIGN AND FOUR POSTER FRAMES. SO I CAN GO BACK HERE REAL QUICK AND SHOW YOU THESE ARE THE MENU SIGNS. AND THEN THE REST WOULD BE THE POSTER SIGNS. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONDITION EIGHT TO AVOID REPETITIVE SIGNAGE OR SIGNAGE. THERE IS ALSO TWO DRIVE THROUGH MENU BOARD SIGNS PROPOSED FOR THOSE TWO DRIVE THROUGH LANES. THERE IS ONE MONUMENT SIGNAGE PROPOSED IN THE JOHNSTOWN ROAD FRONTAGE. MONUMENT SIGNS IN THE AREA ALL CONFORM TO SIMILAR CHARACTER, AND THEY LOOK LIKE THESE REQUIRED SIGNS DOWN HERE. THE VARIANCE IS TO ALLOW THIS PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN, AND IT DOES APPEAR TO BE SUBSTANTIAL, AND IT APPEARS IT WOULD ALTER THE ZONING DISTRICT CHARACTER. THERE'S ALSO VARIANCE TO THE WALL SIGNS AND TO THE MONUMENT SIGN TO ALLOW INTERNAL ILLUMINATION. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME MORE SIGNS HERE. THERE IS THERE ARE TWO DIRECTIONAL SIGNS BEING PROPOSED. WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT IT CONFORMS TO THE CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT WENDY'S AND DAIRY QUEEN. SO THAT WOULD BE MAKING THE COLOR BLACK AND REMOVING THE PEACE SIGN SYMBOL ON THIS SIGN. HERE THERE IS ONE ADDRESS SIGN POST ON THE FRONT ELEVATION WE CONDITIONED. IT IS MOVED TO THE MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH MONUMENT SIGNS IN THE AREA. THERE'S ONE DRIVE THROUGH CLEARANCE SIGN, AND THERE ARE THREE MOBILE PICKUP SIGNS THAT WE CONDITIONED HAS THE LOGO REMOVED AS WELL, WHICH IS VERY SMALL BUT IS RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. SO AGAIN FOR THE VARIANCES, THE VARIANCE IS TO ALLOW NINE PARKING SPACES INSTEAD OF 13, TO ALLOW NO OPERABLE AND ACTIVE FRONT DOORS TO ALLOW THREE WALL SIGNS, ONE ON THE FRONT AND TWO ON THE SIDES TO ALLOW MONUMENT SIGN THAT DOES NOT MEET. MEET TRUSSCORE SIGNAGE PACKAGE STANDARDS AND TO ALLOW INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE. AND THIS KIND OF SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS FOR THIS NEW COFFEE SHOP VIA ACCESS VIA THREE NEW CURB CUTS. IT IS CONSISTENT IN CHARACTER SETBACKS, ARCHITECTURE, CONFIGURATION AND USE WITH NEARBY DEVELOPMENTS. IT HAS STRONG ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING AND WHILE THERE IS SOME SIGNAGE, IT MEETS MOST OF THE GOALS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND ZONING TEXTING CODE. THE CONDITIONAL USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AND FOR NEARBY DEVELOPMENT. THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR PARKING AND NO FRONT DOORS ARE ALSO APPROPRIATE, GIVEN THAT THERE IS NO INTERNAL PUBLIC ACCESS. THE EXTRA WALL SIGN AND INTERNAL ILLUMINATION MAY BE SUBSTANTIAL, AND STAFF BELIEVES THE MONUMENT SIGN WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL. I'M HERE IN. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING TO ADD? YES OR NO? YES. I SAID, CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, PLEASE LET US KNOW. APOLOGIZE. NO, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. JUST AARON MCLEAN REPRESENTING DUTCH BROS. APPLICATION HERE. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS AND WHY WE ARE PROVIDING THOSE, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT FOR ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. I'VE GOT ONE THAT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.YOU HAVE ONE DOOR TOTAL ON THE BUILDING CORRECT FOR STAFF. DOES THAT MEET FIRE SAFETY
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EGRESS? YES. IT'S FOR THE EMPLOYEES ONLY AS STAFF LAID OUT IS THIS OPERATION IS JUST A WALK UP SERVICE. DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ONLY. SO, YES, IT'S FOR FIRE EGRESS. OKAY, SO EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE CLIENTELE IN HERE, YOU STILL, I DON'T KNOW, FIRE CODE WELL ENOUGH.BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES I WANTED TO ASK. SO WE HAVE YOUR ASSURANCE THAT IT MEETS FIRE CODE. WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE HAVEN'T KICKED OFF OUR BUILDING CDS YET. CERTAINLY THEY WILL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LOCAL BUILDING AND FIRE CODES. OKAY, SO THAT'LL GET CAUGHT BY STAFF. IF ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU YOU GO TO PULL A PERMIT AND THEY SAY NO, IT'S NOT A SURPRISE. ALL RIGHT. HOW MANY EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT? IT'S 4 TO 6. BUT OVERALL IT'LL BE ABOUT 10 TO 15 AS THEY WORK THROUGH THERE. THEY'RE WEEKLY SHIFTS, WHICH IS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OPEN FROM 5 A.M. TILL 10 OR 11:00 AT NIGHT, DEPENDING ON THE DAY. SO WE COULD SEE 12 CARS IN HERE ON SHIFT CHANGE. SIX EMPLOYEES HERE AND SIX EMPLOYEES REPLACING THEM. IF YOU DID A TOTAL SWAP ON SHIFT CHANGE, YOU'D NEED 12 SPOTS FOR EMPLOYEES THEMSELVES, AT LEAST FOR A LIMITED TIME. I'LL HAVE TO CONFIRM ON THAT. THE THE EMPLOYEE SHIFT CHANGE, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AT A TIME WOULD BE FOUR. SO THERE COULD BE OVERLAP COMING AND GOING. SO I DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL HOURS OF THE SHIFT CHANGE IF IT'S ABRUPT, WHERE IT GOES FIVE IN, FIVE OUT, WHERE IT'S MORE OF A PHASED APPROACH AS THE DAY GOES ON. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THEY UTILIZE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AS WELL. BUT THEY'RE NOT MANDATED TO DO SO AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT. PARDON ME. THEY'RE NOT MANDATED TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORT AS A CONDITION.
NO THEY'RE NOT. SO IT'S THEIR CHOICE ABOUT WHETHER ALL OF THEM DRIVE OR NOT. CORRECT OKAY.
AND WE'RE AT A MINIMUM FOR STAFF. JUST TO GET ON A NORMAL SHIFT. YOU'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE THERE. YES. THERE'S AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF DAY, TIME OF DAY IT IS THERE APPROXIMATELY LIKE 3 TO 4 PEOPLE THAT ARE ON SHIFT NOW WHERE THEY PARKED. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO PARK ON SITE. IF THERE ARE OFF STREET PARKING THEY CAN UTILIZE AS WELL. YOUR NEIGHBORS MAY GROW TO HATE YOU AND MAY HAVE ISSUES BECAUSE WE HAVE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS FOR ACCESS, BUT NOT ON PARKING. I PRESUME THAT SHARED PARKING IS MAYBE REQUIRED IN THE CITY DISTRICT. WE'RE GOING TO PULL IT UP HERE JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK. YES, PLEASE. THAT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE ON HOW MUCH I WANT TO LEAN ON. THIS IS UNDER PARKED BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT SHIFT CHANGE TIME MIGHT BE A BUSY TIME, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOUR SHIFT CHANGE, THAT YOU'RE WALK UP TRAFFIC. WHO DRIVES UP AND THEN WALKS UP. WE'RE OUT OF PARKING REALLY FAST. HERE IS WHAT SURE, WE'RE GETTING TOWARDS YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS AND AS YOU KNOW, INDICATED PREVIOUS TO THE OPERATIONS IS STRICTLY DRIVE THROUGH. THERE IS THAT WALK UP ABILITY. CERTAINLY PEOPLE DRIVE IN AND DON'T HAVE A SPOT TO PARK. THEN THEY WOULD PROBABLY ADJUST THEIR BEHAVIOR. DO YOU HAVE OUTSIDE SEATING UNDER THE ROOF THERE? AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE, THEY PROBABLY WILL HAVE A COUPLE SEATING AREAS FOR THOSE WHO DO WALK UP. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE THE BUSINESS MODEL, BUT IS IS THIS UNIQUE OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S USED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES OR THIS IS A NATIONAL BRAND FOR THEM? THEY HAVE BUT THIS THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY WHERE IT'S WALK UP, DRIVE THROUGH AND YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S TYPICAL SIZE FOR A PROPERTY. TWO IS ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS TYPICAL. TWO THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN THEIR NEW KIND OF PROTO INTO THEIR NEW MARKETS. I THINK YOU'LL SEE THE ONES IN I THINK THERE'S DAYTON AND CINCINNATI AREA THAT HAVE SIMILAR MODELS. IS PARKING BEEN AN ISSUE LIKE IS IT IS IT LIMITED PARKING? AND THERE'S OTHER AREAS LIKE IT IS HERE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL SITES IN THOSE JURISDICTIONS. CERTAINLY. YOU KNOW, IT'S A UNIQUE OPERATION WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE INDOOR SEATING. SO THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT LOCAL JURISDICTIONS DON'T REALLY ADDRESS IT ADEQUATELY. I JUST WORRY TO NEIL'S POINT, LIKE IN THE MORNING, IF YOU'RE YOU'VE GOT SIX EMPLOYEES USING SIX OF THE NINE SPOTS AND IT'S A BUSY MORNING AND IT'S BACKING UP AND PEOPLE WANT TO WALK UP, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE IN THE MORNING. CERTAINLY THE SPACE INSIDE ISN'T THAT BIG. SO AGAIN, THEIR OPERATIONS VARY THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND KIND OF THE SHIFTS CHANGE. YEAH. SORRY IF I MAY. THE ZONING TEXT DOES SAY IT IS THE INTENT THAT PARKING SPACE WILL BE SHARED
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BETWEEN USERS, AS LONG AS THEY PROVE THAT THEY DO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS. AND I DO RECALL SEEING THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE WENDY'S FDP, WHICH IS AN ADJACENT PARCEL THAT WAS SPLIT, CAUSING THIS LOT TO BE SO SMALL. AND DURING THAT THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY DID INTEND TO MAKE THAT AGREEMENT. SO WOULD YOU MAKE THAT AGREEMENT IN THIS LOCATION? AN AGREEMENT OF SHARED PARKING? YES. I THINK IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT. IT DIDN'T COME UP ANYTHING IN TITLE. SO WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LANDLORD WHO CONTROLS THE LAND ON THIS PIECE TO LOOK AT THAT AGREEMENT. APOLOGIZE. WE'RE NOT ON THE DEAL SIDE OF THINGS, AND SEEING THAT TYPE OF AGREEMENT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN COME ACROSS. BUT IF THAT IS A CONDITION OF THE PROJECT AND CERTAINLY WILL WORK WITH WENDY'S AND THE LANDLORD FOR THAT MATTER, TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF SHARED PARKING IN PLACE, DO WE HAVE AN OVERHEAD VIEW THAT SHOWS WENDY'S PARKING LOT? ON YOUR SLIDES? YEAH. OKAY. VERY WELL. THERE YOU GO. I BELIEVE THAT THEIR PARKING SPACES ARE SHARED BY WENDY'S AND BY THE NEIGHBOR TO THE FURTHER DOWN JONESTOWN ROAD DIRECTION. OKAY, SO LET ME. JUST FOR CONTEXT FOR THE BOARD, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT ACROSS THE STREET, I DO REMEMBER DUNKIN DONUTS ALSO ASKED FOR A VARIANCE TO CUT THEIR PARKING IN HALF. THEY REQUIRED TO DO 33 SPACES, AND THIS BOARD APPROVED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO 15. VERY SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS CAME UP. I DON'T THINK A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS PLACED ON THE APPLICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE BASED ON TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION. THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF YOU GUYS SEE FIT. YEAH. 14 IN MY LIST. OKAY. WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT EMPLOYEES FROM EITHER OF THE PLACES ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PLACE PARKING IN THEIR SPOTS.SO THERE ARE NO SPOTS AT ALL. SURE. YEAH. I THINK OFF THE CUFF, MY REACTION IS THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE PROBABLY THEIR PEAK TIMES ARE PROBABLY A LOT DIFFERENT, PROBABLY ABOUT PEOPLE GOING TO WENDY'S AT LUNCHTIME AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME GOING TO DUTCH ROAST.
MAYBE THERE IS, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE MORNING COFFEE RUSH IS KNOWS NO BOUNDARY. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY GETTING A BACONATOR AFTER THEY PICK UP THEIR COFFEE IN THE MORNING ON THE WAY TO WORK. I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S GETTING A BLIZZARD AFTER STOPPING AT BOTH OF THOSE TWO PLACES, SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ENOUGH OFF PEAK ON PEAK PERIODS WHERE IT WOULD PROBABLY COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER. REALLY. THE PARKING IS AVAILABLE PARKING SPACES.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO WORK THROUGH WITH THOSE INDIVIDUAL USERS DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS. ALSO, I THINK THIS DISCUSSION SORT OF BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COMMISSION SAYS WE NEED MORE PARKING? IS THERE AVAILABILITY FOR MORE PARKING ON THIS SPACE? AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE THERE ISN'T THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY, THERE IS NOT. NO, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CAN YOU GO TO THE SITE? THERE COULD BE. I'M AGAIN, I'M OFF THE CUFF HERE, BUT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME ON THAT. CAN I SEE THIS POINT RIGHT HERE? MAYBE DEPENDING ON HOW WIDE THIS IS, MAYBE A SPACE OR TWO HERE. LIKE REALLY LIKE ALMOST LIKE A PARALLEL PARKING SPACE. WE COULD LOOK AT THAT WITH THEM.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS WIDE ENOUGH TO ALLOW CARS TO GO THROUGH IT AND PARK THERE.
BUT THAT'S ONE AREA WE COULD EXPLORE. AND THIS IS LANDSCAPING, I PRESUME. CORRECT.
SO WE WOULD WE WOULD GET MORE LOT COVERAGE IF A PARKING SPOT OR TWO APPEARED HERE AND WE CONFLICT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH POTENTIALLY AND THAT COULD GET WOULD HAVE TO BE IT WOULD BE EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY BECAUSE IT'D HAVE TO BE PULL OFF FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE INTO HERE. AND YOU AIN'T GETTING OUT UNTIL THE DRIVE THROUGH CLEARS. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT IN THE MORNING ANYWAY. YEAH. BETWEEN 7 AND 9. HOPEFULLY THAT'S THEIR SHIFT. YEAH.
OBVIOUSLY. PROBABLY A DIFFERENT BUSINESS HOW THE BUSINESS OPERATES. BUT DUNKIN DONUTS AGAIN HAD A SIMILAR VARIANCE REQUEST. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE I'VE NEVER RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT. THE BUSINESS IS BUSY. YOU KNOW, AROUND THE SAME TIME AS THIS ONE WOULD BE. AND PARKING LOTS ARE USUALLY PRETTY EMPTY. THANK YOU. WHILE WE'VE GOT THIS ONE UP. SO WE'VE GOT ELAINE THAT DOES THAT, AND WE'VE GOT THE OUTER LANE, WHICH PROBABLY HAS A SEPARATE
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ORDERING FACILITY, I PRESUME. YES, THEY ARE ON BOTH. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TWO MENU SIGNS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ORDERING IN PARALLEL FROM BOTH LANES. OKAY. AND THEN THEY MERGE TO PICK UP THEIR STUFF. CORRECT. DO YOU HAVE THAT CONFIGURATION IN OTHER PLACES? YES. IN FACT, OTHER PLACES HAVE THREE LANES THAT CONVERGE INTO ONE. NO, THE VOLUME AND THE PEAK THAT THEY HAVE IN THE MORNINGS. BUT THIS SITE, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE IRREGULAR SHAPE AND SMALLER LOT THAT IS LEFT OVER, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY LAYOUT DESIGN THAT THEY COULD PUT ON HERE. IT WAS JUST A TWO. YOU KNOW, TWO STACKING LANES, WHICH IS 15, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, WHAT, 5 OR 6 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT CODE REQUIRES. SO I PRESUME THE RATE AT WHICH STUFF COMES OUT THE WINDOW IS MANAGED SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYBODY IN THIS LANE JUST DOESN'T JUST DRIVE RIGHT UP AND BLOCK EVERYBODY OUT. IS THERE A WAY TO SAY STOP UNTIL YOUR ORDER IS READY? WHAT'S TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM JUST CROWDING, CROWDING OUT THE OTHER LANE, OR IS IT NOT A PROBLEM FOR YOU GUYS? IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM. OFTEN HAPPENS TOO, IS YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE THESE STORES FIRST OPENED UP, THEY HAVE STAFF OUT IN THE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES HELPING GUIDE PEOPLE AND TAKING ORDERS SO IT IS MORE EFFICIENT AND FLUENT. I THINK YOU MAYBE SEE THAT SOME CHICK FIL A'S AT TIMES, AT HIGH PEAK TIMES WHERE THEY HAVE THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER INTERACTION TO HELP NAVIGATE THE TRAFFIC AND MOVE THEM THROUGH EFFICIENTLY. OKAY. DUNKIN DONUTS OPERATES THE SAME AS WELL. OKAY. AND WE'RE GOOD ON PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT ACROSS ACCESS ACROSS THE DRIVING LANES THAT THOSE ARE REASONABLY WELL MARKED AND NOT IN CONFLICT. FOLLOWING UP ON NEAL'S. POINT ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, CAN YOU SORT OF GIVE US A DESCRIPTION? I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ONE IN THE IN THE DIAGRAMS WE RECEIVED ON WHAT THAT AREA IN FRONT OF THE. STREET FACING FACADE. WHAT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHERE FOLKS WILL BE WALKING, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY FROM THE ROADWAY TOWARD THE FACILITY AND THEN AROUND THE CORNER TO THE TO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WINDOW. IS IT IS IT GOING TO BE CEMENT? IS IT IS IT GOING TO BE LANDSCAPED IN ANY WAY? I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH.THERE'S DIFFERENT VARIETY OF SURFACES THERE. MOST OF IT IS CONCRETE SIDEWALK AND STRIPING TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS ARE. SO WHEN THEY DO COME OFF OF JOHNSTOWN ROAD, THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO WRAP AROUND TO THE SIDES, WHICH WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, TO PLACE THEIR ORDERS. AND THEN SIMILARLY, FROM WOODCREST ON THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE THE STRIPED WALKWAYS THAT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS FROM THE NEW SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS EAST AND WEST, AND THEN AGAIN PROVIDE A SAFE ROUTE TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I SUPPOSE THOSE PEDESTRIANS WILL HAVE TO MANEUVER THEIR WAY THROUGH THE THE STACKING AREAS. THEY. YEAH, IT'S BUSY IN THE MORNING. GOOD WAY TO AVOID THAT GIVEN THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE ROUTING THEM TO THE WEST, WHICH WOULD THEN ENCROACH INTO THE WENDY'S DRIVE THROUGH. DO YOU HAVE BIKE PARKING OR SPACES FOR BIKES TO GO? IF SOMEONE BIKES UP AND THEN WALKS UP TO THE WALK WINDOW, WE DO. THE BIKE SPACES ARE LOCATED. THOSE FOUR LITTLE DOTS. THERE ARE BIKE RACKS. THANK YOU. HAS THERE BEEN ANY ISSUE IN THE PAST WITH THE ZERO OR NEAR ZERO FOOT CANDLES STANDARD? NEAR NEAR ZERO IS SORT OF VAGUE. WHEN YOU SAY ISSUES, WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, JUST I KNOW IT'S SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, SO BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF ANYBODY'S PUSHED BACK AND SAID, WELL, THIS AMOUNT IS MORE THAN ZERO, BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO NEAR ZERO. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STAFF SAYS NO. AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES LIKE THAT? I'M JUST WONDERING IF DON'T WE HAVE NUMBERS WITH UNITS ON IT SOMEWHERE FOR THAT? NO, WE DON'T. BUT WHAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST IS, I THINK, POINT THREE FOOT CANDLES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S USUALLY A GENERAL BENCHMARK THAT WE USE, AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T THINK I HAD SEEN THAT LANGUAGE BEFORE. AND I'M WONDERING WHY IT WAS IN HERE. THAT'S THANKS FOR REMINDING ME BECAUSE I JUST THAT'S WHAT I WHEN I READ THAT, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF VAGUE AND I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT BEFORE. SO IF WE HAVE A NUMBER TO PUT IN WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT A NUMBER IN. YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE IT'S, IT'S A THE REASON WHY WE DON'T PUT NUMBERS ON IT ALWAYS IS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO CONTROL OTHER SITES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. SO THIS IS LIKE SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO EXISTING SITES.
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO FULLY CONTROL WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING, ESPECIALLY IF WE DID
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NOT HOLD PEOPLE TO THAT STANDARD. LIKE DAIRY QUEEN WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SITES THAT CAME ONLINE. AND IF THEY HAVE A BIG LIGHT RIGHT ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE THAT SHINES DIRECTLY TO THE SITE, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO ALWAYS MEET THAT. BUT WHATEVER NEW LIGHTING IS ADDED, WE TRY TO MAKE SURE IS AT A REASONABLE LEVEL. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AN AIRPORT LANDING STRIP OR SOMETHING OUT THERE. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? WE HAD STANDARDS ON THIS, PARTICULARLY FOR RESIDENTIAL FOR SPILL INTO RESIDENTIAL ESPECIALLY. THERE'S NOTHING IN CODE THAT THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT NOW. SO IT WOULD BE IN VARIOUS PIECES OF ZONING. WE COULD LOOK.BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. BECAUSE I THOUGHT I'VE THOUGHT FOR YEARS WE'VE HAD A NUMBER LIKE 0.1 FOOT CANDLES OR, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY BELOW ONE. BUT A LOT OF OUR BIG DEVELOPMENT SITES OUT THERE IN THE BUSINESS PARK, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW BIG THEY ARE, THEY CAN USUALLY BE ZERO BY THE TIME IT GETS TO OUR PROPERTY LINE. SO IT'S USUALLY NOT BEEN AN ISSUE. OKAY. AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE OFFER TO COUNCIL TO HAVE A STANDARD FOR. IF IT IS IF IF YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPILL ON YOUR NEIGHBORS, HERE'S HOW MUCH YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPILL ON YOUR NEIGHBORS. SO THAT ONGOING, THAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD THAT WE WOULD USE. AND IF SOMEONE HAD A ZONING TEXT MODIFICATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD JUST ROLL IT RIGHT IN. AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU PICK UP THE NEW THE NEW RULE ON.
SURE. YEAH. INCLUDING THAT IN OUR PUDS AND TEXT, PARTICULARLY BORDERING RESIDENTIAL. YEP, YEP.
THANK YOU. SO. HOW MARRIED ARE YOU TO THAT MONUMENT SIGN? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE THERE'S THE MARKET AND THAT'S THEIR BRANDING ELEMENT. BUT UNDERSTANDABLY THERE ARE OVERLAY CODES HERE AND CERTAINLY A SIGN MONUMENT SIGNS STANDARDS. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO REQUEST. BUT UNDERSTAND AS WELL THAT IT WOULD BE PRECEDENT SETTING A WON ISSUE FOR THIS AREA. OKAY. QUESTION FOR STAFF INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. DO WE HAVE NUMBERS ON HOW BRIGHT THOSE CAN BE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO BECAUSE WE DON'T NORMALLY ALLOW THEM.
YEAH I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN IN THE CITY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
OKAY. MENU BOARDS ARE NOT COUNTED HERE BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT. THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF WE ALLOWED INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNS WOULD IT BE. AND THIS ALSO PROBABLY GOES TO LEGAL. CAN WE LIMIT IT TO THEM. SO THEY'RE NOT BRIGHTER THAN A MENU BOARD WOULD BE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT. WHERE TO GET INTENT THAT THERE IS SUCH A THING AS TOO BRIGHT AND I IT'S A CASE WHERE IF WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ONE UP ON THE FLY TO GET THIS DEALT WITH. I BELIEVE THERE'S A STANDARD FOR EXTERNAL LIGHTING, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD APPLY TECHNICALLY, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S NO BRIGHTER THAN 5000 KELVIN. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? 5000 K IS A COLOR NUMBER, NOT A BRIGHTNESS NUMBER. OKAY, THERE IS A LUMENS. MY BAD. THERE YOU GO. FIND IT. THANK YOU. NOT BRIGHTER THAN A EXTERNALLY LIT. A LEGALLY EXTERNALLY LIT SIGN WOULD BE WOULD BE A REASONABLE WAY OF DRIVING INTENT WITHOUT DOING NUMBERS. YEAH. I THINK FOR OUR FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT'S MORE ABOUT PRECEDENT SETTING. WE'VE WE'VE USED EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION, HALO ILLUMINATION. IT'S MORE ABOUT THE LOOK OF THEM MORE SO THAN IT IS. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A UNIQUE WAY TO MAKE IT. IT STILL WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE ANY OF THE OTHER SIGNS, BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER SIGNS ARE USING EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION OR HALO ILLUMINATION. OKAY. WE THINK IT WOULD JUST CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AS OUR POSITION.
BUT YES, THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO DO THAT WOULD BE FINE. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT I LIKE THE PRECEDENT, BUT IF WE DID GET THE PRECEDENT, I WOULD WANT IT IN A PROPERLY SMALL BOX IS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS. BETTER MONUMENT SIGNS STANDARD DOESN'T ALLOW INTERNAL ILLUMINATED, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO IS THE IS THE MONUMENT ON THE ONLY ONE THAT'S MARKED HERE, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED WITH SOME OF THE OTHERS. IT WAS THE WALL SIGN AS WELL. THE WALL SIGNS. YEAH. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A DEAL. YOU KNOW, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WHICH ONES THERE ARE AGREEMENT TO AND WHICH ONES THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY. YEAH. LET'S START WITH THE FIRST THING. WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF ROLL BACK INTO THE SIGN I THINK. BUT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO ELIMINATE THE ONES THAT ARE. SO IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE ARE 13 CONDITIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICT WITH THE STAFF? REPORT CONDITIONS FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. I
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UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF WRITING THIS UP AND PROVIDING THE BACKGROUND WITH ANALYSIS THERE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT THIS IS NEW TO THE MARKET AND WANTS TO GET AS MUCH SIGNAGE AS POSSIBLE, I THINK. YOU KNOW, IN OUR EXPERIENCE WITH LANDSCAPING, PUTTING THAT LARGER CALIPER TREE IN ISN'T ALWAYS THE GREATEST. BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET IN AND MATCH EXISTING LANDSCAPING AS BEST POSSIBLE. THE ONE THING THAT DISCUSSED WITH STAFF WAS THE ADDRESS ON THE BUILDING. I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS THAT TYPICALLY FIRE CODE REQUIRES ADDRESS BUILDING SO THAT THEY CAN BE FOUND, NOT SIGNS BEING ADDRESSED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DEFER TO THE TOWN AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR STANDARDS ARE FOR FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND ADDRESSING, AND HISTORICALLY THAT IN THIS AREA THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED ON THE MONUMENT SIGNS. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IF WE GET TO A PLACE OF FIRE CODE AND THEY REQUIRE IT ON THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO. FIRE CODE WOULD OVERRIDE THE VARIOUS CONDITIONS AND THINGS HERE. I WOULD SAY YES. OKAY. SO IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS IT WANTS NUMBERS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS NUMBERS. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. SO OTHERS ANY OTHERS? WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONFLICT HERE BETWEEN YOU AND THE STAFF REPORT. NO WE DON'T. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE COULD, I THINK, AND SHARED PARKING IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH AS WELL. SO THAT'S THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONDITIONS SWITCHING TO THE OH HANG ON, HANG ON A SECOND. 11 SAYS THE ADDRESS SIGN SHALL BE RELOCATED TO THE MONUMENT SIGN. BUT I HEARD CHRIS SAY THAT THEY WOULD DO I DID I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AS TO WHERE WHETHER THE ADDRESS COULD BE LISTED COULD BE LOCATED ON THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO ON THE MONUMENT SIGN. YEAH. AND I THINK THE SUBJECT STAFF APPROVAL WOULD COVER THAT. OKAY.JUST WANTED TO MAKE MAKE SURE BECAUSE. THE THE CONDITION SAYS IT SHALL BE SO. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AS LONG AS WE'RE I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS AND MY PREFERENCE FROM THE COMMISSION, IF OTHERS AGREE, IS THAT NUMBERS ON THE BUILDING ARE IN ADDITION TO THE NUMBERS ON THE MONUMENT, THAT WE GO WITH, THE NUMBERS ON THE MONUMENT THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT SO THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT. AND IF WE FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO PUT THEM ON THE BUILDING TOO, WE PUT THEM ON THE BUILDING. IN ADDITION. GREAT. OKAY. THAT'S CLEAR. ALL RIGHT. SO 11 IS NOTING THAT IT'S ALSO ON THE BUILDING CODE DIMENSION. SO THAT WAS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YEAH. LET'S DO THE CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE IT'S EASY. YEAH. SO WE HAVE ONE CONDITION IN THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT THE PERMIT BECOMES NULL AND VOID. IT BECOMES VOID OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT OCCUPIES THIS TENANT SPACE. I'D LIKE TO MODIFY THAT. OTHER THAN A EXTERNALLY ONLY, HOWEVER, WE WANT TO SAY THAT A OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT THAT DOES NOT HAVE INTERNAL SIT DOWN INTERNAL SERVICE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOT BAKED INTO A LOT OF THE THINGS HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BECAUSE THE DRIVE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH WEREN'T HERE. WE COULD PARK THIS AND PUT PEOPLE INSIDE. AND IF WE'RE PUTTING PEOPLE INSIDE, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP AND BACK UP AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING? AND AND DOES THAT HAMPER THE DRIVE THROUGH? CAN A SEAT FOUR PEOPLE IF YOU OPEN IT UP? YEAH. SO I THINK I THINK I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE POINT. I THINK MAYBE JUST MODIFYING THE CONDITION, THE CONDITION WILL BECOME VOID IF A DIFFERENT USER EVEN OCCUPIES THE TENANT SPACE, OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT THAT HAS NO INSIDE CUSTOMER ACCESS. SURE. SO THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO TRY AND GET IT. YEAH. CAN WE LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITION? SAYS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL BECOME VOID IF OR A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS. SO I THINK ONE TOO MANY WORDS MUST BE A TYPO IN THERE SOMEWHERE. YEAH. OR OR OR COMES OUT. YEAH. A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. GOOD CATCH. OKAY. AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOOD ON CONDITIONAL USE. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. THIS IS FUN AND GAMES EXPERIENCES. YEAH OKAY. SO VARIANCE A WAS PARKING
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I DID. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE DEVELOPMENT I DO THINK THAT ENGINEERING HAD SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. GO AHEAD. OH YEAH. WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT. YEAH WE HAD A FEW COMMENTS. MENTALLY. I LOOKED OVER THERE.THERE WAS NO ONE SITTING ON THERE. AND I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERING HERE. SORRY.
YEAH, JUST PLEASE GO AHEAD. I HAVE NO ENGINEERING TONIGHT. SO THE APPLICANT DID DO A GOOD JOB RESPONDING TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE AND MAKING CORRECTIONS. THERE WERE A FEW MINOR REVISIONS TO THE PLAN SHEETS THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN OUR ENGINEERING REVIEW PROCESS. THE THE REMAINING ITEMS ARE TO JUST ADD SITE DISTANT TRIANGLES ON LANDSCAPING PLANS SO WE CAN EVALUATE THAT. WE WILL EVALUATE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THE WATER DISTRIBUTION, SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION AND ANY OTHER RELATED ITEMS. ONCE DETAILED CONSTRUCTION PLANS BECOME AVAILABLE TO US. GREAT. AND THAT'S STILL WRAPPED UP AND THAT WAS CONDITIONED 11 THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE ENGINEER'S COMMENTS AND I STILL OKAY. NO CONFLICT THERE EXCEPT THAT. THANK YOU. SO VARIANCE A WAS PARKING. LET'S GO LOOK AT CONDITIONAL VARIANCE A IF THERE WERE ANY.
CONDITIONS. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY CONDITIONS FOR THAT AREA. SO CONDITIONS MAY BE ADDED. ALL RIGHT HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO WE DON'T HAVE CONDITIONS AT THE MOMENT ON THE VARIANCES. SO VARIANCE A IS PARKING WHICH WE HAVE GRANTED SIMILAR IN THE PAST FOR SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES. ALTHOUGH WE ARE WORRIED THAT YOU'RE REAL CLOSE. SHARED PARKING WAS ALSO PICKED UP TO HELP MITIGATE ISSUES ON VARIANTS. A OTHER COMMENTARY ON VARIANCE A. AND CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU MENTIONED THE DUNKIN DONUTS ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IN THE STAFF REPORT IT MENTIONS POPEYES. SO I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM FOR BOTH POPEYES AND DUNCAN THERE HAVEN'T HAVE THERE BEEN ANY REPORTED ISSUES OR PROBLEMS WITH WITH THESE LESSER PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED? NO, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN. ON THE VARIANCE BE DOORS. THAT THE RATIONALE IS THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE CUSTOMER EGRESS, ONE DOOR IS EFFICIENT. AND I WOULD NOTE THAT FIRE CODE MAY REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE DOOR. BUT BUT I THINK I DON'T. THAT EXPLANATION DOESN'T REALLY GET TO THE REASON FOR THE FOR THE DOOR REQUIREMENT. IT'S TO SOME EXTENT IT'S ESTHETIC. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH I BELIEVE WE HAVE REQUIRED A DOOR FRONT FACING AND FACING EVERY STREET IN EACH, IN EACH OF THE PRIOR DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE APPROVED. SO I THINK WE WOULD BE DEPARTING FROM THAT HERE, WERE WE NOT? WE HAVE SOME VARIATION FROM THAT, PARTICULARLY WITH DRIVE THRUS. MAKE A DOOR IN CERTAIN SIDES, LETHAL OR ILL ADVISED. I REMEMBER I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IS THAT HE SAID MAKE DRIVE THRUS WHAT ILL ADVISED TO. HERE'S THE DOOR. TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE GOING AFTER THEIR, YOU KNOW, DONUT HOLES ARE BETWEEN YOU AND THE AND THE DOOR THAT WE TRY TO SORT OUT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEDESTRIANS IN CONFLICT WITH CARS. AND THAT MAY MEAN THAT WE'VE NOT HAD DOORS FACING EVERY PUBLIC STREET AND IN PARTICULAR IN THE CORE. THIS GETS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THERE CAN BE THREE PUBLIC AND OR PRIVATE STREETS. YEAH. I THINK ONE THING WHEN WE.
YES, THAT'S RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. WHEN WE HAVE. YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT, DAVE, WHEN YOU SAID WE'VE TRIED TO ENSURE THERE'S AT LEAST A DOOR ON THAT ON THIS US62 THAT HAS GENERALLY BEEN OUR APPROACH.
I THINK DUNKIN DONUTS DOESN'T HAVE ONE ON 62. OKAY. AND POPEYES DOESN'T EITHER. BUT WHAT WE WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT JUST A BLANK FACADE. SO THERE'S STILL SOME SORT OF WINDOW. AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS, THIS USER, THEY DID INCLUDE A, YOU KNOW, A WINDOW ELEMENT ON BOTH THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THE RIGHT PARKING ELEVATION. SO WE THOUGHT THAT AT LEAST FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. YEAH. SO WE THOUGHT THAT AT LEAST MET THAT INTENT. BUT I THINK DUNKIN DONUTS DOES HAVE ONE. BUT I
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DON'T THINK POPEYES I DON'T THINK DUNKIN DONUTS HAS ONE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. BUT I'LL I'LL IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS. I THINK I WALKED THROUGH IT YESTERDAY. WELL THAT THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER THAN MY MY OLD MEMORY HERE I WILL DOUBLE I WILL DOUBLE CHECK. IS IT. I GUESS IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ELEVATION FACING 62, IN THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY CONFIGURED. CORRECT. AND DUNKIN DONUTS DOES NOT HAVE ONE ON THE 62 ELEVATION I DO NOT OKAY. SO YOU ENTER THROUGH THIS SIDE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CORNER SO THAT YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE SIDE. IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? CORRECT. YEAH. ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE, THE SORRY, THE INTERNAL PARKING LOT SIDE, NOT THE SIDE, WHICH IS, AS YOU REMEMBER IT, WRONG. I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT LIKE LIKE POPEYES, DUNKIN, WENDY'S, ALL THOSE IN THE CANADIAN TRUST AREA THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION HERE WHERE THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE DOOR, IT'S OPERABLE, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST AN INGRESS EGRESS DOOR FOR EMPLOYEES. THIS IS THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT THAT I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE BUILDING IS NOT OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO NO. OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. ALL RIGHT. PROBABLY COULD SAY MOO MOO CAR WASH MAYBE. YEAH, IT'S A CAR WASH, BUT I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A DOOR SOMEWHERE THAT HUMAN BEINGS CAN GO IN IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE OR SOMETHING, BUT THAT WOULD BE A SIMILAR, I THINK THAT WOULD BE CATEGORIZED SIMILARLY IN MY BRAIN. RIGHT.SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE FACT THAT IT'S ONLY EMPLOYEES GOING IN AND OUT. THAT'S NOT DEFINITIVE TO ME, BUT. IF THERE ARE OTHERS AND I FRANKLY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TO DRIVE THROUGH DURING DAYTIME, WE WOULD SEE SOMETHING. IT'S GETTING SO DARK, SO EARLY THESE DAYS TO SORT OF GET A SENSE SENSE OF HOW. DIFFERENT THIS CONFIGURATION AND THESE ELEVATIONS WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT ELSE IS THERE, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE BUILDING? ABOUT 936, I THINK IS WHERE WE'RE AT 986, WHICH IS ALSO VERY SMALL COMPARED TO OTHER BUILDINGS. I MEAN, VERY, VERY SMALL. YEAH. YEAH. YOU COULDN'T BUILD A HOUSE THAT SIZE IN THIS TOWN. THAT WE DON'T ALLOW 900 SQUARE FOOT. DOES ANYONE? ALL RIGHT. OTHER COMMENTARY ON DOORS. ISSUES OR. OKAY. TAKES US TO SEE WHICH IS ALLOW SIGNAGE ON ELEVATIONS, NOT FROM A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ROAD. SO AND STAFF'S OPINION WAS THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUBSTANTIAL.
I THINK THEY SAID IT IS POTENTIALLY SUBSTANTIAL. OKAY. IN THREE. SUBSTANTIAL. AND I FRANKLY THINK IT IS BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE OTHER APPLICANTS THAT WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE HAD THEIR NAME ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THEIR BUILDING. YEAH. AND WE DIDN'T LET THEM DO THAT. OKAY, I AGREE. YEAH. YEAH, TOTALLY. OTHER DISCUSSION ON SEE. NO I VOTED NO ON WENDY'S BECAUSE OF THAT. OKAY. D ON THE MONUMENT SIGN. I'M TOTALLY ALLERGIC TO THEIR MONUMENT SIGN PROPOSAL. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I'M NOT A FAN OF E INTERNAL ILLUMINATION, WHICH IS. THAT WOULD BE. SO THAT WOULD BE A NEW THING FOR THE CITY TO HAVE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNS ALLOWED. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. LIGHTED SIGNS AND INTERNALLY.
AND I BELIEVE FOR THE TRANSPORT WOULD BE. BUT I'M NOT SURE AT ALL. IT WOULD BE NEW. IT WOULD.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY THAT I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SEVEN YEARS. I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE INTERNAL ILLUMINATED SIGN. WE USUALLY WORK WITH PEOPLE, EVEN ON PLANS THAT DON'T HAVE TO COME TO BOARDS, AND SOMEONE PROPOSES INTERNAL. WE. WE USUALLY WORK IT OUT WITH THEM WHERE THEY DON'T DO THAT. WHAT IS THE I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT THE DUNKIN DONUT THAT WAS ELECTRONIC. THERE WAS AN ELECTRONIC SIGN. INTERNALLY ELIMINATED, AN ELECTRONIC SIGN THAT LIGHTED UP. YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD. IT'S JUST. I HAVEN'T ANSWER MY BRAIN. I'M GOING TO NOT TRY TO JUST WORD VOMIT ALL OVER YOU GUYS, BUT IT'S IT'S. YEAH, WE TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY.
OKAY. YEAH. THE USE IS DIFFERENT. THE SIGNS FUNCTION WITH THE INTERNAL LIGHTING FOR
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THE MENU BOARD SIGNS, WHEREAS IT'S MORE OF AN OPTION. I FEEL FOR SIGNS SUCH. AS THE. SO I THINK YOUR BASIC MCDONALD'S PLASTIC SIGN THAT'S GOT A LIGHT ON THE INSIDE OF IT, SHINING RED LIGHT THROUGH THE RED PLASTIC. OH, IT'S JUST LIKE A SIGN THAT'S LIT UP FROM INSIDE A MENU, CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH. SO THERE'S NO FUNCTIONALITY ON THE SIGN. IT'S NOT MOVING. IT'S NOT CHANGEABLE. YES. RIGHT. IT'S NOT AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD. IT'S AN INTERNALLY LIT VERSUS HAVING THE GOOSENECKS OR THE UP LIGHT UP LIGHTING. SO IT GLOWS. WELL THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. WE HAVE NOT DONE SO. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS, ON ANY OF THESE THREE CASES THAT ARE TIED TOGETHER, HEARING NONE? OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT HAVE SHAKEN FREE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE CONDITIONAL USE OR THE VARIANCES? SO DID WE TALK THROUGH THE SIGNAGE? WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNAGE, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY ALIGN ON ANY THERE. WE JUST TALKED THROUGH IT. RIGHT. SO I THINK THE MONUMENT SIGN IS THERE'S SUCH A PRECEDENCE THAT I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.NOT ON D, BUT AND LIKEWISE E THAT VARIANCE IS NOT THE PLACE FOR US TO SET PRECEDENT. THAT'S COUNCIL'S JOB TO SAY, HERE'S OUR NEW CODE. YOU KNOW IT'S GONE THROUGH STAFF. HERE'S HOW WE WILL DO IT. VARIANCES TO ALLEVIATE A ISSUE THAT IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. YEAH OKAY. AND HALF THE BUSINESSES IN THE TRUSSCORE WOULD SAY OH ME TOO. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS THEIR LAWYERS SAID, OH, WE CAN HAVE ONE OF THOSE AND MORE OF THESE, WE'D HAVE ONE OF THOSE AND MORE OF THESE. YEAH. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE I SEE HERE. YEAH. PICKING UP ON NEIL'S POINT, I WOULD SAY A VARIANCE A AND B FIT THAT, FIT THAT MOLD C, D AND E IN MY MIND DO NOT FIT THAT MOLD. THERE'S NOTHING NOTHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD, IN MY VIEW, WOULD REQUIRE US TO GRANT A VARIANCE FROM THE EXISTING SIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT ALL THE OTHER, ALL THE OTHER APPLICANTS, FOR THE MOST PART, AS I RECALL, WERE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE WAY I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. I HAVE A SIDEBAR QUESTION FOR STAFF. DO WE KNOW WHO INITIATED THE LOT SPLIT THAT, SPLIT THIS OFF FROM THE LARGER WENDY'S LOT? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE. I IMAGINE IT WAS THE ALBANY COMPANY OR THE TRUST COURSE, THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. OKAY. SO THEY THEY WERE PROBABLY THE LANDOWNER IN WENDY'S SAID, WE ONLY WANT THIS MUCH. AND THEY SAID THEY SO THEY WOULD SPLIT IT BUYING A BIGGER CHUNK. CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE PART OF ME IS THINKING THAT IF IF OUR VOTE TONIGHT MAKES THIS HARD TO BUILD ON, THAT THE FOLKS I WANT STUCK HOLDING THE BAG ARE THE FOLKS THAT SAID, OH, WE'LL SPLIT IT OFF AND WE'LL SELL TWO LOTS WHERE WE COULD HAVE SOLD ONE.
COOL. OKAY. LIKE, NO, YOU MADE AN UNBUILDABLE LOT OUT OF IT AND YOU'RE STUCK WITH IT. THAT AND WE HAD THAT DIALOG AS PART OF THE WENDY'S APPROVAL CONVERSATION. YEAH. ARE YOU BUILDING A LOT THAT'S GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A TENANT FOR IT. YEAH, WE APPARENTLY HAVE IT'S A IT'S A NARROW IT'S A TINY LITTLE BOX. BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'RE UP FOR IT.
RIGHT. AND THAT THAT SORT OF RAISES THE QUESTION OF WHAT'S BETTER IN THAT SPOT, SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR JUST A VACANT LOT FOR THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS. WE NEED MORE PARKING. YEAH. LET'S MAKE OUR SPACE BIGGER. RIGHT? I GUESS THAT'S A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE WENDY'S IN THE UNITED STATES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER OKAY. SO LET ME START THE LITANY OF THE MOTIONS I FIND MY. GEAR. SO I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 83 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. LARSON. YES, MR. SCHELL? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS.
OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THE OTHER ONE? DO THE FINAL PLAN. BECAUSE I'VE GOT AN EXTRA CONDITION, I THINK SO, OKAY, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 83 2025, SUBJECT TO THE 13 CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. NOTING THAT 11 THAT IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
REQUIRES LETTERS ON THE BUILDING, THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED HERE IN ADDITION TO THE LETTERS
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ON THE MONUMENT, 14TH CONDITION IS SHARED PARKING WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. ARE THE CONDITIONS CLEAR? YES. I'LL SECOND. WATCHING. CHRISTINA. SPENCE. NEIL, THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT. I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THAT DURING THE MEETING. WHAT DO YOU. WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY REQUIRING THEM, AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT TO DO? USUALLY A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT SAYS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPLAINT AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND YOUR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T HAVE A COMPLAINT AGAINST YOU IF YOUR CUSTOMER. LIKE FIREWORKS. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, ARE WE REQUIRING THE APPLICANT GET THE PERMISSION OF THE NEIGHBOR AS A CONDITION OF GETTING THE APPLICATION APPROVED? AND IF WE ARE, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE FAIR. CAN'T DO THAT. BUT WE CAN HAVE THEM OFFER TO THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT OUR PARKING IS YOUR PARKING KIND OF A DEAL, I THOUGHT, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S YOU CAN OFFER THAT. BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE ALSO GOING TO CONFIRM THAT THERE WAS JUST THAT AGREEMENT AMONGST THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALREADY, AND THEN AND THEN EXTEND THE OLIVE BRANCH. YEAH. ONCE. ONCE. IT'S ONCE WE CONFIRM THAT THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT EXISTS BECAUSE LIKE NEIL SAID, WE CAN'T COMPEL THEM TO DO IT. BUT IF IT'S ALREADY THERE, JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW IT OPERATES, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. CARRY THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY.YES. MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. LAWSON. YES, MR. SCHELL. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT TO GRANT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO THE 13 CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, NOTING THE MODIFICATION TO CONDITION 11 TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. REQUIREMENTS CONTROL AND CONDITION FOUR, AND AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION 14. THE SHARED PARKING WITH NEIGHBORS CONFIRMED THAT THE AGREEMENT EXISTS AND OFFER SHARED PARKING. YES. TWO MEMBERS. AND THE CHANGE ON CONDITION 11 IS THAT THE. IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES LETTERS ON THE BUILDING, IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIRED. NUMBERS ON THE MONUMENT SIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU. RELEGATION TO. YEAH. OKAY. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORDS FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 84 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS? MOTION ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. LAWSON. YES. MR. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF. CAN I HAVE A MODIFICATION TO THE CONDITIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO CONFIRM? WHAT IT WAS ALL RIGHT. FOR CONDITIONAL USE? 84 20, 25. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION OF THE STAFF. REPORT MODIFIED THAT OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT WITH NO INSIDE CUSTOMER ACCESS OCCUPIES THE TENANT SPACE. THE ADDED PHRASE IS WITH NO INSIDE CUSTOMER ACCESS TO THE EXISTING CONDITION. A SECOND. OKAY, THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY. YES, MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. SCHELL. YES, MR. LAWSON. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO GRANT THE CONDITIONAL USE SUBJECT TO THE TO THE MODIFICATION OF THE CONDITION IN THE STAFF REPORT. WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE WORD OR AND THE PHRASE WITH OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT WITH NO INSIDE CUSTOMER ACCESS. YES. EXCELLENT. I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS AND RELATED STAFF DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR VARIANCE. 85 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND, WHO WAS THAT ON THE SECOND? THANK YOU. THAT IS DAVE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS? MOTION TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES,
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MR. SCHELL. YES, MR. LARSEN? YES, YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENT.LET'S DO THE INDIVIDUALLY. INDIVIDUALLY. OKAY. SO VARIANCE A IS PARKING. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE PARKING VARIANCE? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE VARIANCE A, WHICH ALLOWS LESS PARKING SPOTS I THINK FROM IS IT 12 DOWN TO 913 NINE 13, 13 DOWN TO NINE. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY CONDITIONS. FOR A SECOND. I'LL SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON PARKING. CAN YOU ROLL FOR THE VARIANCE ON PARKING, MR. SCHELL? YES. MR. WALLACE YES. MR. LARSEN YES. MR. KIRBY.
YES, YES, THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO GRANT VARIANCE A. VARIANCE B THIS IS ON NOT REQUIRING AN OPERABLE AND ACTIVE FRONT DOOR ON ALL PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ROADS. DOES YOUR MOTION. ā I'LL MOVE. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE B ON APPLICATION 852025. OKAY I WILL SECOND THAT. WE'VE NOTED IN THE DISCUSSION THAT IF FIRE CODE REQUIRES MORE DOORS, THAT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE MORE DOORS AND DISCUSSION ON MOTION ON B FOR DOORS. OKAY.
THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. LARSEN. YES, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. WALLACE. YES, MR. SCHELL. YES, YES, THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO GRANT VARIANCE. B TAKES US TO VARIANCE. C SIGNS ON ELEVATIONS, NOT FRONTING A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ROAD. SO YOUR MOTION. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF VARIANCE C OF THE OR PART C OF THE VARIANCE. TRY TO GET MY NUMBERS HERE 85 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE C SIGNS ON ELEVATIONS NOT FRONTING OF ROAD THROUGH THE ROAD, MR. KIRBY? NO. MR. SCHELL. NO. MR. LARSEN NO. AND MR. WALLACE, NO, DON'T FORGET TO EXPLAIN. ON THE RECORD, THIS SETS PRECEDENTS THAT WE'VE NOT SEEN IN ELSEWHERE IN THE TRUST CORE. IT'S NOT PARTICULAR TO THE SMALL LOT. AND SO I FIND IT DOES NOT MEET THE DUNCAN CRITERIA. I'LL STOP THERE AND LET OTHERS TO ADD THEIR OWN COMMENTARY HAUNTS YOUR NEXT.
I'LL JUST SECOND WHAT YOU SAID, NEIL. ALL RIGHT. I'M TRYING TO DO THE ORDER IN MY HEAD, DAVE.
I VOTED NO FOR THE SAME REASONS MR. KIRBY DID, FOR THE SAME REASONS FOR ME TO TAKES US TO VARIANCE D, WHICH IS MONUMENT SIGNS. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE SECTION D OF APPLICATION 85 2025. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? CAN I THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. LARSEN? NO. MR. KIRBY, NO. MR. WALLACE. NO. MR. SCHELL, NO MOTION FAILS. AND FOR MY REASONS, FOR THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS ONE. WHERE? THIS IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS LOT, AND THERE'S A PRECEDENT ALREADY SET OUT THERE, SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE DUNCAN REQUIREMENTS.
VARIANCE E ILLUMINATED SIGNS. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF VARIANCE. I'M SORRY. PARDON ME, MR. CHAIR.
DO THE REST OF YOU WANT TO STATE YOUR REASONS FOR THE RECORD? OH, I'M SORRY. OR CONCURRENT? JUST I CONCUR WITH THE REASON JUST GIVEN. AND FOR THE PRIOR ONE. DAVE. SAME SAME I JUST ELICITED. I BELIEVE WE WILL BE GIVING THIS APPLICANT CONDITIONS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO OTHERS. YEAH. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF VARIANCE PART E OF VARIANCE 85 2025 INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNS. DO I HEAR A SECOND I'LL SECOND. SECOND, MR. LAWSON. YES.
THANK YOU. SO MOVED BY ME. SECONDED BY BRUCE. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION? OKAY.
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THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? NO. MR. LARSEN. NO. MR. WALLACE, NO. MR. SCHELL. NO. THE MOTION FAILS. THIS WOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT A BENEFIT NOT ALLOWED TO OTHERS WITH THE SAME CONDITIONS, AND IS BEST HANDLED BY ORDINANCE AND CHANGES TO DGRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RATHER THAN PRECEDENTS BEING SET HERE, I FIND IT DOES NOT MEET THE DUNCAN REQUIREMENTS.BRUCE. SAME FOR ME. I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING INTO ALBANY AND WE WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. WE JUST THESE PRECEDENTS ARE PRETTY BIG.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET FLOODED WITH EVERYBODY ELSE ONE OF ILLUMINATED SIGNS. AND SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE HAVE TO STICK TO. BUT AGAIN WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING.
UNDERSTOOD. WE VALUE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTANDING THE POSITION WE COME FROM. AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO COMING INTO A NEW ALBUM. THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH ALL THE STATEMENTS OF OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS. DON'T GET US STARTED ON SWIMMING POOLS. GOOD LUCK.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BRINGS US TO A PAIR OF CONDITIONAL USES IN THE WOODHAVEN MODEL HOMES. TO A CERTAIN EXTENT ARE RELATED CONDITIONAL USE 91. AN EXTENSION AND CONDITIONAL USE 92 A BRAND NEW ONE. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. SO WE'LL START WITH THE EXTENSION, WHICH WOULD BE ON LOT 52. SO THIS DOES ALREADY EXIST. AND IT WAS APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 20TH OF 2023. AND IT IS SET TO EXPIRE ON NOVEMBER 20TH. SO IN THREE DAYS. SO THERE WERE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR THIS THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN CORRECTED. SO EVERYTHING IS UP TO CODE.
AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE EXISTING MODEL HOME. THIS IS WHAT THE ELEVATIONS WERE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE TODAY. SO WE'RE MEETING EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, AS WELL AS THE SIGNAGE THAT'S ALREADY ON THE SITE. THE ONLY CONDITION THAT STAFF HAS FOR THIS IS THAT THE PERMITTED HOME IS IN OPERATION UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2026, WHICH IS WHEN THE LEASEBACK AGREEMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND THEY WOULD MOVE INTO THE HOUSE AS THEIR HOME. OKAY. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? I'M SORRY, THERE'S NO ENGINEERING CONDITIONAL USE, NO ENGINEERING COMMENTS THOUGH. THANK YOU.
APPLICANT. SURE. YEAH. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO EXTEND THE CURRENT MODEL UNTIL FEBRUARY WHEN OUR LEASE IS UP, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE. HOPEFULLY OUR WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO MOVE OUR MODEL TO. OKAY. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SEQUENCING FROM THIS AND TO THE NEXT ONE. DO YOU HAVE YOU PLAN TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM OPERATIONAL SIMULTANEOUSLY? NO. OKAY. SO ASIDE FROM A MODESTLY SMALL TRANSITION PERIOD, YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING BOTH OF THESE TO BE HERE AT THE SAME TIME. SO AS MODEL HOMES OKAY. CORRECT. YEAH.
I THINK WE'LL ACTUALLY UNFORTUNATELY PROBABLY WON'T GET THE OTHER ONE OPEN UNTIL PROBABLY MARCH, JUST WITH WHERE WE ARE IN CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'D BE. BUT THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T NOT BOTH BE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME OKAY. AND THE REQUEST FOR THE EXTENSION USES ALL THE SAME HOURS AND NUMBERS OF PEOPLE. AND IT'S JUST THE SAME AS WE ALREADY HAVE. YES. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 91 2025 A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. LAWSON. YES, MR. CHEF, YES, YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF FOR CONDITIONAL USE? 91 THE EXTENSION MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION C 91 2025. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT, SUBJECT TO ANY CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ALL SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. A SECOND I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. SHOW YES. MR. LAWSON. YES. MR. KIRBY. YES, YES, THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO GRANT. THE CONDITIONAL USE TAKES US TO CONDITIONAL USE 92. COULD WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS ON LOT 51, WHICH IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE EXISTING MODEL HOME ON LOT 52. IT IS ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. BUT AS THE APPLICANT SAID IT'S NOT COMPLETELY DONE YET, BUT IT IS UNOCCUPIED AS OF RIGHT NOW. SO THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THIS HOME, VERY SIMILAR TO THAT OF LOT 52, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT MATCHES THE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE REST OF THE WOODHAVEN SUBDIVISION. THIS IS THE SIGNAGE. IT'S THE
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SAME SIGNAGE THAT WAS USED ON LOT 52. THE ONLY THING WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC LOCATION FOR THE SIGNAGE PROVIDED TO US, SO WE JUST ADDED THAT AS A CONDITION THAT IT'S AT LEAST TEN FEET BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, WHICH IS WHAT CODE REQUIRES. AND THEN THE CONDITIONS FOR THIS ONE WE JUST HAD, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IT WOULD NOT GO INTO OPERATION UNTIL THE OTHER ONE UNTIL FEBRUARY. SO THEY WOULD HAVE THAT NOT OVER SLIGHT OVERLAP BUT NOT FULL OVERLAP. AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED AT LEAST TWO YEARS. SO WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF IT SHOULD BE TWO YEARS OR LONGER, OR UNTIL THE LAST AGE RESTRICTED LOT IN THE SUBDIVISION IS SOLD. AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. I KNOW WE JUST HEARD ONE RECENTLY WHERE WE EXPANDED IT PAST TWO YEARS. CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT'S WHY THEY SAID AT LEAST TWO YEARS JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND IF WANTING. THANK YOU. DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON IF YOU COULD PROJECT IN THE FUTURE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE HOPING YOU'RE OUT OF THERE IN TWO YEARS, OR IS THIS POTENTIALLY A THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEAR? IS IT JUST WE WOULD WE WOULD LOVE TO BE OUT OF THERE IN TWO YEARS. IT JUST ALL DEPENDS ON THE MARKET. AND WE'RE BEING AS AGGRESSIVE AS WE CAN IN TRYING TO GET THEM SOLD. BUT THE MARKET'S A LITTLE SLOW CURRENTLY. YEAH. IS IT COMMISSION COMFORTABLE PUSHING IT OUT MAYBE TO THREE YEARS. IS THE COMMISSION COMFORTABLE PUSHING IT OUT TO THREE YEARS CONSIDERING THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. YEAH THAT'S FINE. I MEAN IT'S THE STAFF'S OKAY WITH THAT. IF IF IT'S GOT THE CUT OFF OF OR UNTIL THEY SELL THE LAST ONE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THREE YEARS. WELL THAT'S TRUE AT LEAST TWO YEARS. WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. SELL THEM ALL OR YEAH, THREE YEARS.THAT'S A CATCH ALL. I'M WITH YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. AND JUST ONE THING TO CLARIFY.
JUST SO IT'S ON THE RECORD IN THE MEETING MINUTES, WE COME BACK THREE YEARS FROM NOW TO FIGURE OUT WHEN WE GOTTA COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IF WE DO, TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T START THAT TIMER UNTIL THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED TO OPERATE IT. WE WOULDN'T START THAT TIMER TODAY. YEAH. WE CONCUR. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. JUST SO IT'S IN THE MEETING MINUTES. YEAH, YEAH. SPEAKING OF SUCH THINGS, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 92 2025. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS? OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, MR. LARSEN? YES, MR. SCHELL? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES, YES, WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENT. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE 92 2025 BASED ON THE TWO CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
OKAY. WE MODIFIED. WE MODIFIED A THREE YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST AGE RESTRICTED IS SOLD. THE STAFF REPORT IS SHOWING TWO ONE CONDITION TWO YEARS ON CONDITION ONE. DO WE NEED. IF THAT'S A CATCH ALL, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE? BECAUSE DOESN'T THAT BASICALLY GIVE YOU AN OPEN TO WHICHEVER COMES FIRST? EITHER IT EXPIRES IN THREE YEARS OR EXPIRES WHEN THEY SELL THE LAST AGE RESTRICTED LOT FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS OR UNTIL. IT. DOESN'T THAT MEAN IT? DOESN'T ACTUALLY.
WHICHEVER. YEAH. IT'S FOR IT'S UNTIL THE LAST ONE'S SOLD. I THINK IT'S A CATCH ALL WHERE IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS POTENTIALLY. THE TWO YEARS WAS JUST MORE OF WHAT THEY REQUESTED TO HAVE IT, AT LEAST THE TWO YEARS. SO WE PUT IT IN THERE AS AN OPEN TO PUT IN A DEFINITE YEAR NUMBER, OR UNTIL THE LAST LOT IS SOLD, IF THAT HELPS CLARIFY ANYTHING. YEAH, THREE YEARS IS TO ME THREE YEARS IS AN OKAY TIME PERIOD THAT WE'LL HEAR IT AGAIN AND PUT OUR FINGER IN THE WIND AND SEE HOW IT'S GOING, SEE IF WE'VE GOT COMPLAINTS. SO THAT'S FAIR. THREE YEARS OR THEY'RE SOLD, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. WELL THAT DOESN'T SAY FIRST. THIS IS YEAH, BUT YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION SO YOU GET TO PICK WHAT IT SAYS. YEAH OKAY. BUT I MEAN IF WE LEAVE IT LIKE THIS, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE FIVE YEARS, RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE TWO TO A THREE. LET US LET US RECAST CONDITION ONE OKAY. SO THAT IT IS THIS EXPIRES IN THREE YEARS. OR WHEN YOU SELL THE LAST AGE RESTRICTED LOT IN THE SUBDIVISION. WHICHEVER.
WHICHEVER COMES FIRST OKAY. YES. SO WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE IT IN THREE YEARS. THREE YEARS PROBABLY. BUT DO WE WANT TO SEE IT IN THREE YEARS. YEAH. YOU DO. YEAH OKAY OKAY. YEAH. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. IT ALSO KEEPS OUR APPLICANTS ON THEIR TOES THAT WE HAVE TO. WE MIGHT NEED THIS. WE HAVE TO BE NICE AND BE NICE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU KNOW, KEEP IT UP. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE ENCOURAGEMENT FOR THEM, OKAY. CHRISTINA, DO YOU HAVE THAT WORDING? YEAH. WOULD YOU
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RESTATE IT FOR ME? I HAVE IT, BUT IS THAT YOUR MOTION. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE CHANGING NUMBER ONE TO READ MODEL HOME IS PERMITTED TO OPERATE FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST AGE RESTRICTED LOT IN THE SUBDIVISION IS SOLD FOR WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. OKAY, UP TO THREE YEARS, NOT AT LEAST FOR THREE THREE YEARS IS THE PERIOD FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. YOUR WORDSMITHING. YOU'RE GOOD. AND CONDITION TWO IS ALSO IN THERE, RIGHT? I'M SORRY. CONDITION TWO IS ALSO IN MOTION. THERE WE GO. YES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WAS ABOUT TO ASK, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE. YEAH. DO WE HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE. MR. YES. MR. LARSON YES. MR. KIRBY? YES. MR.
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WALLACE YES, YES. HAVE IT. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? I HAVE TWO VERY MINOR THINGS. SO JUST A REMINDER, WE DO HAVE THE VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION EVENT ON DECEMBER 7TH. YOU GUYS ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL IF YOU HAVEN'T RSVP'D YET, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND DOING SO JUST SO WE CAN GET A HEAD COUNT, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. I BELIEVE I DID, I SEND IT, I THINK I SENT YOU GUYS THAT EMAIL A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THEN TOMORROW AGAIN. AS A REMINDER, WE DO. WE ARE OFFERING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS TO GET THEIR HEADSHOTS TAKEN PROFESSIONALLY HERE BY OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM.THAT IS TOMORROW FROM. YOU CAN STOP BY ANY TIME HERE FROM 5 TO 6:30 P.M. AND IT'LL BE IN THE PHOTO STUDIO UPSTAIRS. SO YOU JUST EITHER TAKE THE ELEVATOR UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR. YEP.
IT'LL BE HERE. YEP. UPSTAIRS. IT'S RIGHT ACTUALLY RIGHT ABOVE OUR HEADS HERE. BUT YEAH, THAT'S BETWEEN. YOU CAN STOP BY ANYTIME BETWEEN 5 AND 6:30 P.M. AND WE'LL TAKE YOUR HEADSHOT AND WE WILL SEND IT TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE IT DONE. ARE YOU OFFERING MAKEUP SERVICES TO MAKE US LOOK YOUNGER? WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY. I'VE ASKED FOR MYSELF. ANDREA CAN PROBABLY ATTEST THIS TOO. IT'S LIGHT. LIGHT EDITING IS WHAT I GET TOLD. LIGHT PHOTOSHOPPING, LIGHT PHOTOSHOPPING. THEY DO A GOOD JOB. THEY DO A GOOD JOB. DIRECT YOUR FACE AND STUFF. YOU JUST HAD YOURS RETAKEN, I THINK, DIDN'T YOU? NO, I NEED WELL, I GUESS I DID A YEAR AGO. OH DID YOU OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU GET A NEW ONE. YEAH, BUT STOP BY TOMORROW. IT'S OKAY.
YEAH. VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION EVENT. WHERE'S THAT LOCATED? THAT'LL BE AT BRICKHOUSE BLUE, I BELIEVE IT'S 5 TO 7:30 P.M. WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS HEAVY APPETIZERS WILL BE SERVED. TIME AGAIN WAS. WHAT? WHAT? YEAH. THE TIME. SORRY. 5 TO 7:30 P.M. AND I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S SEMI-OPEN HOUSE STYLE. THERE MIGHT BE A VERY SMALL PROGRAM, BUT IT'D BE MOSTLY OPEN HOUSE STYLE. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU ALL. THANKS FOR THE REMINDER ON THAT. YEAH, IT'S ON MY CALENDAR, BUT I DON'T THINK I RSVP'D AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU GUYS IF THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
YEAH, I'LL DO THAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. I'LL DO. I'LL SEND BOTH OF THEM. THANK YOU. THAT'S NOT ON THIS LIST. IT'S ON THE SEVENTH CALENDAR. ALWAYS TRIES TO DO THAT. SO SUNDAY THE 7TH OF DECEMBER. I THINK IT'S THE NINTH. I THINK IT'S TUESDAY NIGHT. MY SON'S BIRTHDAY IS ON THE SEVENTH. SO MY BRAIN WAS TUESDAY THE NINTH. YEAH. WAS DOING THAT. I'M SO SORRY. IT ISN'T THE NINTH. FORGIVE ME. SO, CHRIS, I MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN TOWN. WHAT DAY IS IT AGAIN? I'M SORRY. IT'S THE 9TH DECEMBER. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD I APPLY? YES, IN CASE I'M IN, I WOULD JUST IN CASE AND I MAY NOT BE ABLE. THAT'S ON THERE. YEAH. WE'RE INVITE WE INVITED ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. IT'LL BE A LOT OF THINGS ON THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW YET. OKAY. I'LL EAT YOUR APPETITE. YEAH. WE'LL EAT YOUR PERFECT. I'LL LET YOU KNOW SO THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER OTHER BUSINESS? NOPE. NOTHING. STAFF MEMBERS OR COMMENT. BRUCE. YEAH. NOTHING TONIGHT. THANKS, EVERYBODY. NO
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