[00:00:05] GOING TO CALL THE JANUARY 21ST, 2026, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE NEW ALBANY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. WALLACE? PRESENT. [ I. Call to order] MR. LARSON. PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS. HERE. MR. KIRBY. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT HERE. THERE ARE THREE VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE [ III. Action on minutes: December 15, 2025] AGENDA IS ACTION ON THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 15TH, 2025 MEETING. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? I HAD ONE ON PAGE TWO. IN THE FIRST CASE, MR. KIRBY'S COMMENTS SAYS ASK AND IT SAYS A BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE ABOUT. AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION IS BECAUSE A BUT IS A WORD AND SO IS ABOUT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE I HAD. ANY OTHER CHANGES? NOTHING ELSE FOR ME. DAVE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 15TH, 2025 MEETING. SECOND. THANK YOU, MISS BRIGGS. YES, MR. LARSON? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. WOULD ANYONE WHO IS WISHING TO SPEAK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT OR MAKE SOME SORT OF PRESENTATION, STAND UP AND BE SWORN, PLEASE. DAVE, CAN YOU CAN WE DO NUMBER THREE OR NUMBER FOUR AFTER THIS? ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA. AFTER YOU, AFTER YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? IF YOU SPEAK TONIGHT, SAY YES. SAY YOU WILL. [IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda ] OKAY. ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA? WELL, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST FORMALLY INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST STUDENT TO BE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, DOCTOR SEGAL. WE APPOINTED HER LAST EVENING AND SHE WILL BE SWORN IN AT OUR NEXT MEETING. SO JUST WELCOME AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING ANOTHER FIFTH MEMBER. SO WELCOME. CONGRATULATIONS. WELCOME ABOARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE CONSIDERING [ VI. Cases] TONIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST CASE. ZC 80 2025 FIRE STATION REZONING. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM LIMITED GENERAL EMPLOYMENT TO COMMUNITY FACILITIES TO ALLOW FOR THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE SUBSTATION. THIS SITE IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF 605. THE NOTTINGHAM SUBDIVISION IS TO THE NORTH, AND COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES ARE TO THE EAST, SOUTH AND WEST. JUST A REMINDER, THIS WAS INFORMALLY HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JANUARY OF 2025. AT THAT TIME, THE FIRE STATION AND THE SCHOOL BUS DEPOT WERE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ON THE SITE. THERE WERE CONCERNS AT THAT TIME REGARDING THE BUS DEPOT, AND THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS JUST FOR THE FIRE STATION. THIS WENT TO THE ROCKY FORK BLACKLICK ACCORD ON DECEMBER 18TH, 2025, AND THE BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WHILE THE SITE IS 12.72 ACRES, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO SPLIT THE LOT AND USE ONLY 6.35 ACRES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS A GAS LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SITE AS SHOWN HERE ON THE SITE PLAN, AND BY MY LASER. THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS APPLICABLE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THERE IS ONE CURB CUT PROPOSED OFF OF NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. A LEISURE PATH IS SHOWN, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO SHOW THE HORSE FENCE. 20 PARKING SPOTS ARE PROPOSED AND SINCE OUR CODIFIED ORDINANCES DO NOT HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE STATIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DISCRETION AS TO HOW MANY SPACES ARE SUFFICIENT. THE APPLICANT INCLUDED A PARKING JUSTIFICATION STATEMENT INDICATING THAT PARKING IS BASED OFF THE AMOUNT OF FIREFIGHTERS ON STAFF, OVERLAP OF SHIFT CHANGE, AND PUBLIC PARKING THAT IS COMPARABLE TO OTHER STATIONS. ADDITIONALLY, THE SITE REQUIRED A TRAFFIC ACCESS STUDY, AND THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS ARE REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT. IN REGARDS TO ARCHITECTURE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A BARN STYLE BUILDING WITH STEEL WALL PANELS AND A STONE WATER TABLE. HERE IS THE EAST ELEVATION FRONTING NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. THE PROPOSED BUILDING FEATURES A VARIED ROOF DESIGN AND VERTICALLY PROPORTIONAL WINDOW PANES. ALL GROUND EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED ON ALL FOUR SIDES, AND THE CITY ARCHITECT DID REVIEW THE PROPOSED ELEVATION AND HAD A FEW COMMENTS THAT ARE CONDITIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND HERE IS THE WEST ELEVATION, [00:05:02] WHICH IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH, WHICH ARE THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING. THE DEVELOPMENT IS GENERALLY MEETING ALL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, STREET TREES, PROTECTING THE STREAM, CORRIDOR ZONE AND NATURALLY SHAPED BASIN. HOWEVER, THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN GUIDELINES PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY REGARDING MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPING. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO FOREGO MOUNDING ALONG THE STREET, AS WELL AS RELOCATE THE REQUIRED PLANTINGS ALONG THE FRONTAGE TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS THROUGH THE UNIQUE USE OF THE SITE AND VISIBILITY FOR DRIVERS TO SEE FIRE TRUCKS EXITING THE SITE. STAFF CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT SHOW THE RELOCATED PLANTINGS IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. JUST TO NOTE, NO SIGNAGE IS PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT SIGNAGE BE EVALUATED, EVALUATED AND SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT ALSO SUBMITTED A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT MEETS CITY REQUIREMENTS. AND LASTLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING THAT THE LIGHT POLES NOT EXCEED 30FT IN HEIGHT AND BE CONSTRUCTED OF METAL AND BE NEW ALBANY GREEN OR BLACK. SO IN SUMMARY, THIS REZONING SUPPORTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY USE. THE PROPOSED LOCATION PROVIDES EFFICIENT ACCESS FOR BOTH PLAIN TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY. THE PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE PLAN FOR A FUTURE FIRE STATION LOCATION. THE PROPOSED LAYOUT ACCOMMODATES OPERATIONAL NEEDS WHILE PRESERVING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE. THE PROJECT MEETS OR EXCEEDS MOST ZONING AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. ASIDE FROM THE CONDITIONS AND THE STAFF REPORT AND THE BUILDING ORIENTATION DESIGN REINFORCE A STRONG CIVIC PRESENCE AND I AM HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT STAFF, HAVE ANY OR DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING? THERE'S TWO COMMENTS FROM THE ENGINEERING REGARDING THE FIRE STATION. THE FIRST IS THE REVISED TRAFFIC ACCESS STUDY HAS BEEN UPDATED TO ADDRESS THE PREVIOUS ROUNDS OF COMMENTS FROM THE CITY. WE AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND RECOMMEND FORMAL APPROVAL OF THIS TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE PLANNED FIRE STATION SIDE. SECOND COMMENT IS OFF-SITE RECOMMENDATIONS NOTED ON PAGES SIX AND SEVEN OF THE TOS SHOULD BE PERFORMED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS FOR THE PLANNED FIRE STATION. THANK YOU. I NOTED THE STAFF REPORT INDICATED THAT THERE WAS NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN REVIEWING THE REFERENCE PLAN IN CONNECTION WITH 1159 07B3 SO SHOULD WE ADD A CONDITION OF ENGINEERING COMMENTS. I'M SORRY, WHERE IS THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT UNDER THE ENGINEER'S COMMENTS. YEAH, THAT CAN BE ADDED AS A CONDITION. OH. NOW WE CONDITION NINE. OOPS, SORRY. YOU MENTIONED THE GREEN SPACE. CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE GREEN SPACE IS? THAT YOU THAT YOU INDICATED IN YOUR SUMMARY AS BEING CREATED OR AT LEAST SAVED? YEAH. SO THERE'S A STREAM PROTECTION CORRIDOR RIGHT HERE THAT IS TREED. SO NO DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING THERE. HERE'S THE BASIN. AND SO THERE'S GREEN SPACE IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS IN THE FRONT ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY AND PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. CAN YOU SHOW US THE OVERHEAD DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IN RELATION TO THE REST OF THE OF THE PARCEL THAT'S GOING TO BE SPLIT OUT? YES. SO ARE THERE ANY WE'VE RUN ACROSS THIS BEFORE WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE APPROVED LOT SPLITS OR SITUATIONS AND CREATED DIFFICULTIES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE REMAINING PARCEL COULD SORT OF HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO BE REMAINING AND WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT, IF ANYTHING. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE AREA OF THE REZONING AND THE REST OF THE PARCEL WOULD STILL BE LIMITED GENERAL EMPLOYMENT. SO ANY PERMITTED USES, IS IT BIG ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING WITH. REMEMBER WE HAD THE PROBLEM WITH THE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE. IT WAS THE COFFEE SHOP THAT'S GOING IN. OH YES ON 62. AND YOU KNOW IT WAS PRETTY SMALL. WE'RE ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT WILL FIT. THERE WAS A COFFEE SHOP. SO YEAH, THE TOTAL SITE IS 12.72 ACRES AND THEY'RE TAKING UP 6.3. SO IT'LL BE ABOUT SIX ACRES LEFT OVER. AND ACCESS TO THAT IS GOING TO BE OFF. WHAT NEW IS THAT? NEW ALBANY ROAD I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NAME OF THE ROAD IS. OH, THIS IS NEW ALBANY. YEAH. YES. THAT'S WHERE THE ACCESS WILL BE OFF THERE, I WOULD ASSUME. SO ENGINEERING WOULD REVIEW THAT. ALL RIGHT. JUST ONE FOLLOW UP THERE. THIS [00:10:02] PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY WHO PROVIDED IT TO PLAIN TOWNSHIP. SO THE THE PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT DAVE IS TALKING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY IS STILL OWNED BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY CAN WE ARE THERE IS ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION HERE IN THE AUDIENCE? ALL RIGHT. DAVE, DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST APPLICANT WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST? DID YOU GIVE ME THE CARDS? OH YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. I'M SORRY. I HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT YET? I'M SORRY. I HAVEN'T RUN A MEETING FOR ABOUT A YEAR, SO BEAR WITH ME, EVERYBODY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT THAT INTERESTING. NATHAN SHAW, ARCHITECTS I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO SIERRA'S PRESENTATION TONIGHT, SO YOU CAN MOVE ON TO OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE SANDRA SOLANO. GOOD EVENING. TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. SANDRA SOLANO, 6219 CALLAWAY SQUARE WEST. AND THAT IS IN THE NOTTINGHAM TRACE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT WAS MENTIONED. I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED SOME DATA OF THE CONCERNS REGARDING THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL. SO I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO COME TODAY TO SAY HOW MUCH I SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL WITH DEEP, DEEP APPRECIATION TO THE COUNCIL, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, TO THE PLAN, PLAN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS TO LISTEN TO THE DATA. AND NOW I CAN SAY THAT ACTUALLY, PUBLIC HEALTH WILL BE WELL SERVED TO HAVE AN EASY ACCESS TO THE NORTH PART OF THE CITY FOR FIRST RESPONDERS. AND I'M VERY GLAD TO BE HERE TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL PRESENT. LET'S SEE. MR. VANILLA. YEAH, HE'S THE APPLICANT. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. ANY OTHERS COME TO THE MARKET. JUST COME ON UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LET US KNOW. MY NAME IS JOEL TOPOLOSKY. I LIVE AT 6204 CALLOWAY SQUARE WEST AT THE CORNER OF NOTTINGHAM BOULEVARD. OUR HOUSE WILL PROBABLY BE THE CLOSEST ONE TO THE FIRE STATION UNTIL THEY BUILD OUT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS ALSO PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WASN'T TOO HAPPY WITH THE THE SCHOOL BUSSES, BUT WE ARE ALL VERY MUCH HAPPY TO HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE, AND WE THOUGHT WE WOULD COME IN TO MAKE SURE THAT REALIZE THAT THE NOTTINGHAM COMMUNITY THAT WAS VERY MUCH AGAINST THE PREVIOUS PLANS ARE VERY MUCH FOR THESE. AS A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, WE OBVIOUSLY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE THE EMTS CLOSER TO US THAN THEY ARE NOW. THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT OUR COMMUNITY, MOSTLY WITH SAFETY, EVERYTHING FROM MISSING ADA RAMPS, CURB CUTS, SIDEWALKS THAT ARE CRACKED, JUST POOR MAINTENANCE FROM THE WAY IT WAS BUILT. SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT SENIORS SEEM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS TRIPPING AND FALLING OVER. AND SO AND I'VE HAD THAT ISSUE TRIPPING OVER ONE OF THE CURB CUTS FOR THE, FOR THE DRIVEWAYS. BUT YES, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF IT. AND MY ONLY CONCERN IN THE PAST HAD TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE NATURAL GAS LINES THAT ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE PROPERTY. IT APPEARS FROM YOUR DRAWING THAT THEY GO THROUGH THE FRONT CORNER OF IT, AND FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY PUT A PRETTY HEAVY CONCRETE. LOOKING AT THE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WHERE IT CROSSES THE GAS LINES. IT'S BEEN WELL DESIGNED BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE GASOLINES CRACK. SO BASICALLY WE'RE WELL, WE'RE VERY MUCH HAPPY TO SEE THE, THE, THE EMTS THERE. AND WE'VE HAD REAL GOOD RELATIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THIS POINT. SO JUST JUST HAPPY TO SEE IT HAPPEN. WISH IT WAS HAPPENING A LITTLE SOONER. BUT I UNDERSTAND ALL ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR INPUT. NEXT PERSON TO SPEAK. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING BUD ZAPPITELLI 6018 PAT LANE I AM A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF NORTHERN PLAIN TOWNSHIP. IN FACT, ON SCHLEPPY ROAD THERE FOR OR THEREABOUTS FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS A FARM AND [00:15:07] GOT TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT GROW AROUND IT. GOT TO KNOW SOME GREAT PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OVER HERE. THIS EVENING WAS PART OF THE OPPOSITION OF THE BUS GARAGE AND THE FIRE STATION. INITIALLY VERY PLEASED WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY PUT IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, OUR BOARD, FIRE CHIEF, I THINK THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I THINK IT WOULD BE AN AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER? CRUZ? DO YOU HAVE ANY? OKAY, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS BEST QUESTION FOR STAFF AND MAYBE FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE PARKING SPACES. PARKING SPACES. EXCUSE ME. SO I SEE THAT THERE'S 20 AT THIS LOCATION. CAN YOU COMMENT HOW MANY SPACES ARE AT THE OTHER THE CURRENT EXISTING FIRE STATION RIGHT NOW? OR MAYBE THE CHIEF OR. PLEASE COME, PLEASE COME TO THE THE MIKE SO OTHERWISE WE WON'T GET YOUR COMMENTS IN THE RECORD THERE. PATRICK CONNOR, FIRE CHIEF, PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT CURRENT. THE CURRENT STATION HOUSES MUCH MORE MANY MORE FIREFIGHTERS RIGHT NOW. SO SHIFT CHANGES WHERE THE SPACES ARE NEEDED. IN SOME CASES, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ABOUT 25 CURRENT SPACES AT THE CURRENT LOCATION, AND WE'RE REALLY TIGHT WITH THAT. SOMETIMES WE HAVE 12 OR 14 PEOPLE EXCHANGING IN THE MORNING, WHICH IS 28, SO SOMETIMES WE'RE HAVING TO PARK IN OTHER LOCATIONS. SO WE WANTED TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS FIRE STATION. THE SLEEPING QUARTERS WILL SLEEP UP TO SIX, SO THAT WOULD BE 12 PEOPLE EXCHANGING SHIFTS IN THE MORNING FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF. AND THEN OF COURSE, IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FOR ANY TYPE OF PERSON THAT WOULD STOP BY FOR FIRST AID OR WANT TO TOUR THE FIRE STATION, USUALLY THERE'S HOW MANY, HOW MANY SPOTS DO WE HAVE IN THE FRONT RIGHT NOW? THE FRONT EIGHT IN THE FRONT. SO THAT ACCOUNTS FOR STAFF THAT ARE STOPPING BY FOR THE DAY TO DO SOME BUSINESS, OR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT STOP TO SEE THE FIRE STATION, GET A BLOOD PRESSURE CHECK AND WHATNOT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT NUMBER WILL WILL SERVE THE FIRE STATION IN THE FUTURE. WE WON'T HAVE TO ADD ANY MORE. OKAY. THANK YOU CHIEF. AND THAT WAS MY FOLLOW UP. DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER WOULD BE GOOD. YOU KNOW, YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ADDING PARKING IN THE FUTURE? BUT YOU SORT OF ANSWERED MY QUESTION. NO, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ADDING ANY MORE PARKING. I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AN EXPANSION OF THE PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ANOTHER BUILDING SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THE SIX PEOPLE WE WOULD LIKE TO SERVICE THAT PART OF THE OF THE CITY IN THE TOWNSHIP WILL BE ENOUGH IN THE FUTURE. THE NEXT GROWTH WILL BE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. KIND OF JUST REMIND US REGARDING LIKE RESIDENT NOTIFICATIONS. SO THIS WOULD HAVE COVERED OBVIOUSLY THE NOTTINGHAM TRACE SUBDIVISION, WHETHER ANY OTHER RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. AND THEN DID THE CITY HEAR FROM RESIDENTS AND WRITING EMAIL ETC. YES. I DON'T THINK IT REACHED NOTTINGHAM BECAUSE THEY WERE MORE THAN 200FT. HOWEVER, LETTERS WERE SENT AND I DID NOT HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS OR ANYTHING. OKAY, PERFECT. AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT AGAIN, JUST I WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR PLAIN TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE, JOE BECKET. HILL IS HERE, OBVIOUSLY THE CHIEF, AND REALLY THANK THEM FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND JUST REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMUNITY COLLABORATION. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE SOME GREAT RESIDENTS HERE TONIGHT TELLING US THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. SO REALLY EXCITED, HOPEFULLY TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD AND JUST WANT TO THANK THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. THAT'S ALL I THANK YOU. FOR THE STAFF REPORTS. PUT THAT ON. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FOR THE CASE. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND? WE HAVE A VOTE PLEASE, MR. WALLACE. YES, MR. LARSEN? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU SIR. MOTION ON THE APPLICATION. NOTING THAT THERE WAS A NINTH CONDITION RELATING TO THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION ZC 80 2025. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF REPORT AND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AS LISTED. IN ADDITION TO A COMMENT NUMBER NINE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS IN SECTION FOUR. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT, DAVE. VERY GOOD, MR. LARSEN. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE [00:20:07] CONDITION IS CLEAR. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE, WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ADDITIONAL NINTH CONDITION, THE APPLICANT MEETS THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH THIS. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO ALL FOR WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS BUILDING THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE. THANK YOU. IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT THE PUBLIC SHOWS UP IN SUPPORT, SO WE APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT CASE IS VAR 98 2025 RELATING TO THE 7108 ARMS CODE AND PULL SETBACK VARIANCE. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO AS YOU SAID THIS IS FOR A VARIANCE TO SEVEN AT 708 ARMS CODE. AND THE HOUSE IS LOCATED WITHIN NEW ALBANY, THE NEW ALBANY COUNTRY CLUB SECTION 28. AND THE PROPERTY IS NORTH OF HAMBY'S LOOP AND WEST OF EDMONTON ROAD, AND IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WITH AN UNDEVELOPED LOT TO ITS SOUTH. SO THE VARIANCE REQUEST, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, IS TO THE ZONING TEXT FOR THE SECTION OF THE NEW COUNTRY CLUB CALLED THE WEST NINE TWO ZONING TEXT, WHICH STATES THAT SUCH POOLS SHALL NOT BE LOCATED IN ANY FRONT YARD, NOR CLOSER THAN 15FT TO ANY PROPERTY LINE, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ADD A POOL WITH ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT, LANDSCAPING AND A 1200 SQUARE FOOT PATIO INTO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE CURRENT SITE. PLAN ON THE SCREEN LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED POOL DESIGN. AGAIN, THIS IS IN THAT BACKYARD, THE POOL. THE DRAWINGS SHOW THAT THE PROPOSED ORIENTATION AND SETBACK REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, AND IT WILL HAVE THE WATER'S EDGE TEN FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE, MAKING IT A FIVE FOOT ENCROACHMENT. THE. THEY ARE PROVIDING THE SCREENING IN STANDARD POOL FENCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY CODE. THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE ALTERNATE OPTIONS WHEN IN DESIGN OF THE POOL AND ORIENTATION THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR REASONING LETTER. JUST TO GO THROUGH THOSE REALLY QUICKLY. OPTION ONE IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE, BUT IT WOULD LEAVE THE POOL ONLY LESS THAN TWO FEET AWAY FROM THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, WHICH COULD CAUSE SOME SAFETY ISSUES. OPTION TWO WOULD HAVE THE WATER'S EDGE 12FT OFF OF THE PROPERTY, MAKING THE ENCROACHMENT SMALLER AT THREE FEET VERSUS FIVE FEET. BUT IT WOULD HAVE THE POOL ABOUT FIVE FEET SIX INCHES FROM THE CORNER OF THE HOME. AND THEN LOOKING AT OPTION THREE, THIS WOULD HAVE THE POOL MEETING ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND BE A SAFE DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. BUT THE APPLICANT IS WORRIED ABOUT THE REAR OF THE POOL BEING AT THE EDGE OF THE PATIO, RIGHT ALONG THAT EASEMENT IN THEIR BACKYARD. STAFF HAS ALSO SUGGESTED TO THE APPLICANT POTENTIALLY REORIENTING THE POOL TO BE VERTICAL VERSUS HORIZONTAL, WHICH I WILL LET THEM COMMENT ON THAT ONE WHEN I'M FINISHED HERE. AND THEN JUST IN SUMMARY, THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES THAT EXIST THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS PARCEL AND ARE NOT COMMON TO OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND ALLOWING THIS VARIANCE COULD POTENTIALLY SET PRECEDENTS FOR OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA WITH SIMILAR LOT CONFIGURATIONS AND EASEMENTS. AND FINALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN, AS I SAID BEFORE, OTHER VERSIONS OF THE POOL LAYOUT THAT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE OR AT LEAST ENCROACH LESS INTO THAT SETBACK. AND I'M HERE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING, I'M ASSUMING NONE. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? STEVE KIDWELL, THE OWNER, PRIME OUTDOOR LIVING. SO THE THE BIGGEST REASON FOR NOT ORIENTING THE POOL THE OPPOSITE WAY IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, AS YOU SEE WHERE THE WHERE THE TEXT SAYS 1200 SQUARE FEET OF PATIO. THAT'S THE GARAGE AREA. SO THERE'S ONLY A FROST FOOTER THERE VERSUS A FULL BASEMENT. IF WE FLIP THE POOL, WE'LL BE EXCAVATING WITHIN FIVE FEET OF A FULL BASEMENT, AND WE DON'T RECOMMEND GOING DOWN NEXT TO THE WALL FOR REASONS FOR STRUCTURAL REASONS. OKAY. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE OH, ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T THINK SO. YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING WITH THE ONE DRAWING, IF YOU GO BACK, WHICH IS THE ONE GO TO OPTION THREE IF YOU CAN. YEAH. SO THE MAIN REASON WHY WE DON'T LIKE THAT ONE IS ON THAT LOWER SIDE. THAT'S ACTUALLY A RETAINING WALL. SO AS FAR AS ACCESSING THE POOL FOR SAFETY REASONS, IF ANYBODY WERE TO NEED TO GO AROUND TO THAT SIDE, YOU WOULD [00:25:02] HAVE TO GO OVER THE RETAINING WALL TO GET INTO THE POOL OR TO OR TO EVEN EXIT THE POOL. SO. OKAY, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE OF THAT? HOW MUCH IS THE THE VARIATION IN HEIGHT, THE RETAINING WALL. THE RETAINING WALL IS GOING TO BE 36IN FROM GRADE. FROM GRADE. YEAH OKAY. ANY FURTHER. THE PATIO IS THE SAME LEVEL AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THESE ARE IN-GROUND RIGHT. SO TO BE IN-GROUND. YES. SO LIKE HOW'S THE LOT SLOPE. SO THE LOT SLOPES THERE WAS A OH THE GRADING PLAN WAS WITH THE OTHER PERMIT, BUT IT SLOPES KIND OF TO THIS CORNER AND BACK EDGE. THE OTHER THING WITH FLIPPING THE POOL IS THERE'S A FULL WIDTH SET OF STEPS THAT COMES OUT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO IF YOU WERE TO TURN THE POOL THAT WAY, YOU WOULD COME DOWN 2 OR 3 STEPS AND IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE A THREE FOOT GAP TO THE FRONT OF THE POOL, WHICH WE PREFER TO ALSO AVOID FOR FOR SAFETY REASONS. AND THE POOL IS IT'S NOT A LARGE POOL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT IN A 40 FOOTER. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A PRETTY REASONABLY SIZED POOL. SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. SORRY. YOU SORRY I'M OKAY FOR RIGHT NOW. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN IN THE APPLICATION, THERE'S AN ORIENTATION OF THE POOL THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT A VARIANCE. COMMISSION IS TYPICALLY RELUCTANT TO GRANT VARIANCES, AND CERTAINLY IS RELUCTANT TO GRANT VARIANCES. OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE MORE RELUCTANT THAN OTHERS. PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE'S AN ORIENTATION THAT WILL MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT HAVING TO VARY THEM. CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? OF COURSE. SO WHEN WE DO, IF WE WERE TO FLIP THE POOL TO ESSENTIALLY RUN EAST TO WEST, WEST TO EAST, WE WOULD STILL NEED THE VARIANCE PER CODE ON THAT SIDE TO GET IT OUT AWAY FROM THOSE STEPS AND THE PORCH THAT THAT COMES OFF OF IT. YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN AND. ALMOST NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO ORIENT IT OR VARIANCES REQUIRED, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT MEANS THAT MAYBE THE POOL JUST DOESN'T FIT ON THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IT'S TRYING TO BE SQUEEZED INTO. BUT THAT'S JUST FROM MY VANTAGE POINT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE GO TO VOTE? I AGREE, I THINK THAT'S IT'S IT'S HARD TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HISTORICALLY WE JUST HAVEN'T REALLY PROVED THIS. SO IT'S IT'S DIFFICULT TO TO GET INTO THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS A SOLUTION. YOU SAID THERE WAS A THIS WOULD STILL REQUIRE VARIANCE ON THIS OPTION. YES. SO VARIANCE WOULD THAT BE. SO THE CODE ACTUALLY STATES THAT THE POOL AND SURROUNDING AREA MUST BE OUTSIDE OF THAT 15FT. SO WHEN WE DO TURN THE POOL IN ORDER TO HAVE ANY PATIO SPACE ON THAT SIDE, WE IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE SOME SORT OF VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE PATIO SPACE. IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BASE CODE. BUT FOR THIS ZONING TEXT, IT'S ONLY THE WATER'S EDGE THAT NEEDS TO BE THE 15FT AWAY. SO IT'S JUST THE WATER'S EDGE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR THIS PROPERTY OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP. JUST JUST TO JUMP IN. I SEE IN THE PACKET IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE WRITTEN IN SUPPORT OF THE OF THIS PROPOSAL I GUESS STAFF DID WE DID WE HEAR FROM ANY OTHER NEIGHBORS WITH CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO COREY ALSO. WELL, IT'S UP TO HIM IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF HIS APPLICATION, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LISTEN TO WHATEVER HE HAS TO SAY. TO T, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. WELL, I GUESS WE KNOW YOUR ADDRESS. WELL, MY NAME IS COREY HEIGHT, 7108 ARMS CODE. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TO HEAR THIS REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE. STEVE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF OUTLINING KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT. THE ONE THING I DID WANT TO BRING UP IS ON, I GUESS WE'LL CALL IT THE THE LEFTS. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THERE. THAT IS AN EXISTING LINE OF OUR BODIES. THOSE ARE STAYING. THOSE ARE NOT BEING ALTERED. THOSE ARE ALL STAYING. THE BIGGEST REASON THAT WE ARE CONCERNED FOR ANY SAFETY REASONS. WE HAVE TWO YOUNG KIDS, SIX AND FOUR BOTH KNOW HOW TO SWIM. SO BUT AT THE [00:30:03] END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIDS. AND LIKE STEVE SAID, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT IN A BIG MONSTROSITY OF A POOL. I THINK IT'S 14 BY 30. SO IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GO WITH THE LAYOUT THAT NOT ONLY DO WE THINK WOULD WORK THE BEST, BUT WOULD ALSO BE THE MOST VISUALLY APPEALING, NOT ONLY FOR US, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR ANYBODY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID REACH OUT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND LET THEM KNOW, DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ANY OPPOSITION. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE RUN THROUGH THIS AND LOOKED THROUGH IT. AND I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FACTORS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED, YOU KNOW, DO SUPPORT A GRANTING THE VARIANCE. SO ANY, ANY CONSIDERATION YOU GUYS WOULD GIVE FOR THAT, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION? SO I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR THE CASE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. EXCUSE ME. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. WALLACE. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. LARSON? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. VAR DASH 98-2025. AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY CONDITIONS ON THIS CASE. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT. BUT AGAIN I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY CONDITIONS. IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND BE THE ROLL. MISS BRIGGS? YES. MR. LARSON? NO. MR. WALLACE. NO. THE MOTION FAILS. THERE ARE. THERE'S ONE VOTE IN FAVOR AND TWO VOTES TO DENY THE VARIANCE REQUEST. THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE ON THE RECORD AS TO WHY. SO IN LOOKING AT THE DUNCAN FACTORS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE CONSIDER A VARIANCE, AS THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONED, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY ALTERED AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES COULD COULD SUFFER SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT. THE APPLICANT WOULD BE GETTING SOMETHING THAT OTHER NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT HAVE. THE PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WITH KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WERE. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THAT THE OWNER REALLY COULDN'T ADDRESS. THE PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED BY IN ANOTHER MANNER. OTHER THAN GRANTING THE VARIANCE. WE'VE BEEN WE'VE SEEN AT LEAST ONE OTHER CONFIGURATION OF THE POOL IN THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD NOT NEED A VARIANCE, THAT WOULD STILL ALLOW THE POOL TO GO IN. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT GRANTING THIS VARIANCE COULD VERY WELL SET A PRECEDENCE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SET. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT THE IMMEDIATE ONE OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS IS NOT THERE. THE LOT IS VACANT, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR MIGHT THINK ABOUT THIS POOL GOING IN IN THE WAY IT'S BEING REQUESTED TO GO IN. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE SETBACKS ARE IN THE IN THE CODE OR IN THE TEXT ITSELF. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I VOTED NO. AND I VOTED NO BECAUSE I GET A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE THAT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WILL NOT HAVE AND THAT THERE IS A ALTERNATE SOLUTION THAT DID NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE. AND THEN I ALSO AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SAID AS WELL. THANK YOU. SORRY, BUT YOU CAN STILL GET YOUR POOL JUST IN A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION. NEXT CASE IS FDP 97 2025, CME CREDIT UNION, FDP EXTENSION. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN EXTENSION REQUEST, AS YOU SAID, FOR THE CME CREDIT UNION. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATED IN THE BUSINESS PARK JUST NORTH OF STATE ROUTE 161. IT IS SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS A TACO BELL, A MCDONALD'S, A DUKE AND DUCHESS GAS STATION AND A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS. SO SOME BACKGROUND CODE STATES THAT IF WORK HAS NOT STARTED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF APPROVAL OF THE FDP, THEN THAT FDP IS INVALID. BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ABLE TO EXTEND, REVIEW AND APPROVE EXTENSION OF THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR THAT EXTENSION. NOTHING HAS CHANGED [00:35:07] FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023. AND SO ALL OF THE CONDITIONS ARE THE SAME AS WELL. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023 WITH A 4419 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. AGAIN, THERE ARE NO CHANGES FROM THE APPROVAL IN 2023. THIS IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF THAT APPROVAL AND THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THE SAME AS THE 2023 APPLICATION I'M HERE IN. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. GREAT. IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING ON THIS ONE. NO NEW ENGINEERING COMMENTS. YEAH. LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. TOM NEWCOMB WITH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN GROUP. WE ARE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT AT THIS TIME. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO REFER THE REQUEST. THE CLIENT SIMPLY ASKS THAT DUE TO UNCERTAIN CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES, THAT THIS EXTENSION BE ACCEPTED. SO JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY, ALL WE'RE DOING IS GIVING THEM ANOTHER YEAR TO FINISH THE PROJECT THAT THEY THE SAME EXACT PROJECT THAT THEY ALREADY HAD PERMISSION TO COMPLETE WITHIN A TWO YEAR PERIOD AFTER IT WAS GRANTED. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS. YEAH. TWO YEARS. YEAH. SO CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM I GUESS I SHOULD ASK FOR PUBLIC. I JUST I GUESS JUST A QUICK ONE. IS THIS JUST ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED. YES. IN HERE. SO JUST JUST WAS PROVIDED TO US AGAIN OBVIOUSLY FOR REFERENCE. YEP. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT I WOULD JUST LOVE A LITTLE A LITTLE STORY ABOUT LIKE THE FUTURE, LIKE WHY WE'RE HERE. WHAT WAS THE DELAY. AND DO WE THINK THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME MOVEMENT WITHIN THESE TWO YEARS? UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NOT HAVE THE BACKGROUND ON THAT. OKAY. THIS PROJECT STARTED BEFORE I WAS WITH THE COMPANY. OKAY. I'M AT LEAST FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCEEDINGS AND THE DOCUMENTATION THAT PROVIDED TO ME IN TERMS OF THE CLIENT'S THOUGHT PROCESS AND MOVING FORWARD. I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. IS THERE BEN? IS THERE LIKE A IS THERE ANY. OH, IS THERE ANY FACTORS WITHIN GRANTING AN EXTENSION, LIKE A REASONABLE BELIEF THAT IT WILL COME TO FRUITION, OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER? THEY CAN MAKE THE REQUEST AND IT CAN GRANT FOR GOOD CAUSE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENT THAT THE PROJECT HAS TO COME TO FRUITION WITHIN THAT TWO PERIOD. THEY JUST HAVE TO SHOW CAUSE, WHICH MAY BE UNCERTAINTY AS TO CONSTRUCTION, WHICH THEY RAISED. SO WHAT IN THE GOOD CAUSE WOULD BE THE THE GOOD CAUSE AS TO WHY THEY DIDN'T GET IT DONE WITHIN TWO YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE, I THINK, CONSTRUCTION UNCERTAINTY OR THINGS THAT THEY MENTIONED ON THE RECORD, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. CONSTRUCTION UNCERTAINTY, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT THE RISING CONSTRUCTION COST AS THE DELAYED THEIR INTERNAL DECISIONS TO PROCEED AT THIS TIME. I GUESS, WOULD BE FOR THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A GOOD CAUSE. THANK YOU. WHAT ELSE? WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DENY THE APPLICATION? THEN THEY DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO BUILD IT, AND THEY'D HAVE TO START ALL OVER. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S YEAH. THE, THE THE THE APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD EXPIRE WITHIN THAT TWO YEARS OVER. AND THEY HAVE TO START ALL OVER, WHICH I THINK IS WHY THEY WOULD REQUEST THE EXTENSION SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. WELL GO AHEAD. PROPERTY HAS TRANSFERRED TO THE BANK. JUST SAY THAT AGAIN, CHRIS. THE PROPERTY DID TRANSFER TO THE BANK. SO THE BANK DOES OWN THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SITTING WITH THE COMPANY STILL. SO SO I HAVE A QUESTION. AND THIS MAY BE A REALLY DUMB QUESTION, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. SO HAS NO CONSTRUCTION STARTED AT ALL AT THE SITE? IT IS NOT OKAY. SO NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN THE TWO YEARS SINCE WE'VE APPROVED THIS TWO YEARS AGO. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. CORRECT. OKAY. AND I GUESS FOR STAFF OR BEN, LIKE IN MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION, I, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING AN INSTANCE LIKE THIS. IS THIS LIKE A CHRIS. LIKE PRETTY UNCOMMON LIKE NEVER HAPPENED HAS HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES OVER THE LAST WHATEVER 10 OR 20 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. MAYBE ONE TIME THAT HAS HAPPENED. USUALLY WHAT FOLKS DO IS WHEN THEY GET THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVED, THEY MOVE STRAIGHT INTO THE ENGINEERING PROCESS. AND ONCE YOU GET AN ENGINEERING PERMIT, YOU'RE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO OUT AND START MOVING DIRT. SO USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE HAVE THAT PERMIT IN HAND, WE JUST KIND OF CHECK THE BOX THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU STARTED CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE YOU'RE PERMITTED TO START CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT DOES HAPPEN A LOT. SO THINGS DO GET DELAYED. BUT IT IS UNCOMMON FOR PERMITS NOT TO HAVE BEEN ISSUED. AND THAT'S THAT TWO [00:40:05] YEAR TIME FRAME. THERE ARE AT LEAST 2 OR 3 OTHER RETAIL SITES THAT I KNOW OF IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA THAT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND REQUEST THE SAME THING. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW UP AND SAY I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL FROM THE ATTORNEY FOR DONATO'S, WHO HAS THE SITE JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE, THAT HE WAS KIND OF JUST CALLING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THIS EXTENSION WAS FOR, AND HE KIND OF TOLD HIM ABOUT HOW THERE IS THAT TWO YEAR TIME LIMIT. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GET ON IT OR IF THEY WILL ALSO NEED A EXTENSION REQUEST, BUT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING ON IN THIS AREA. YEAH. SO I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I'M A LITTLE. I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WORD, BUT NO DISRESPECT TO YOU, I'M GLAD OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT, BUT I WISH SOMEBODY WAS HERE FROM THE BANK AND COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO. WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT THE FUTURE PLANS ARE, ETCETERA. SO THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE PAUSE THAT THAT NOBODY SAW IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH OR PRIORITY ENOUGH TO COME TO THIS MEETING. I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS STAFF AND BEN, LIKE, COULD WE PUT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO, YOU KNOW, ASK THE BANK TO SEND THE CITY SOMETHING IN WRITING OR THE COMMISSION, SOMETHING IN WRITING TO KIND OF PROVIDE US WITH SOME SORT OF UPDATE ON WHAT THE STATUS AND THE PLANS ARE HERE? YEAH, YOU COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, LIKE A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE OR PERMITTING SCHEDULE BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. BEN, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I WOULD I WOULD SAY YOU COULD CERTAINLY ISSUE THAT AS A CONDITION, OR YOU COULD TABLE IT AND ASK THEM TO COME BACK TWO WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW TO ADDRESS IT MORE DIRECTLY, WHATEVER YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH. BUT IF HE IF THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT CONDITION, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT CONDITION ON THERE. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED POTENTIALLY. I DO KNOW THAT THE THE BANK THEMSELVES HAD A CONFLICT MEETING. IT WASN'T THEY DID NOT PURPOSELY NOT ATTEND. THEY ALL OF THEIR MEMBERS WERE THEY. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONFLICT AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO COME IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. WELL, WAS THIS SUBMITTED FOR PERMIT AND DID IT GO THROUGH THE PERMIT AND RECEIVE IT? SO WE'RE DRAWINGS EVER SUBMITTED? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. SO I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BANK BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SHOW MUCH COMMITMENT IF WE HAVEN'T EVEN DID IT, BECAUSE IT'S RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO PUT TOGETHER A SET OF DRAWINGS AND SUBMIT THEM, AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR. I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE COMMITMENT LEVEL IS. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT IF IT WAS CONSTRUCTION COSTS YOU'RE CONCERNED, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD A SET OF DRAWINGS YOU WOULD HAVE PUT IT OUT TO BID. RIGHT? AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE STOPPING POINT. BUT WE DIDN'T EVEN GET THAT FAR. CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, AS FAR AS I KNOW. SO WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE OF THE MEMBERS? MY POSITION, I GUESS, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE APPLICATION WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO. FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT RIGHT AWAY. THEY REPRESENTED THAT IT'S DUE TO CONSTRUCTION COSTS. I'M SURE IT HAS TO DO WITH ECONOMIC ISSUES AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE FACILITY CAN BE VIABLE BASED ON THE STATUS OF ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S OUT THERE, WHICH WHICH IS SLOWER, I THINK, THAN THAN WE HAD HOPED. AND AND WE HAD THOUGHT. MY FEELING IS THAT IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED MORE TIME TO DO THIS, I'M INCLINED TO GIVE IT TO THEM. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO ASKING THEM TO SUBMIT MORE INFORMATION TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT I FRANKLY DON'T THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. IT SEEMS TO ME IF IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, THEN THEY'LL SELL THE PROPERTY TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND SOMEBODY ELSE WILL COME IN WITH ANOTHER FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT. IF IF YOU KNOW, THE BANK CAN'T MAKE IT WORK. BUT I GET FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE DON'T LIKE PROPERTY SITTING AROUND EMPTY FOR TWO YEARS OR NOW, POTENTIALLY TWO MORE YEARS. ON THE OTHER HAND, AS THAT AREA DEVELOPS, I WOULD THINK I WOULD THINK THIS THIS PROJECT WOULD MOVE FORWARD. BUT IF IF WE'D LIKE TO PUT A CONDITION ON AS, AS SOME OF THE MEMBERS HAVE PROPOSED, I'M NOT A I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I WOULD STILL I MEAN, I WOULD STILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION WITH THAT CONDITION. BUT I FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T FIGHT FOR IT. BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT IT, I WON'T STAND IN THE WAY OF IT. YEAH, I, I THINK THERE'S LOTS WE HAVE A LAND OUT THERE THAT SITS FOR A LONG TIME. RIGHT. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I JUST WANTED IF [00:45:01] OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS IF IT DOESN'T GET, THERE'S NO PROGRESS IN TWO MORE YEARS, I MEAN, I WOULD REALLY WANT TO SEE AT LEAST SOME LEVEL OF COMMITMENT. WELL, HAVING SAID THAT, BEN, WE COULD APPROVE IT FOR ONE YEAR, RIGHT? IF THE APPLICANT AGREED TO AMEND THEIR APPLICATION TO ONE YEAR, WE COULD APPROVE IT FOR ONE YEAR, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN. IT CAN CAN CAN IT BE EXTENDED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, I GUESS. SO THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON HOW MANY REQUESTS FOR AN EXTENSION THEY HAVE. THE BURDEN WOULD EACH TIME BE GOOD CAUSE, WHICH I THINK IF IT KEPT GETTING EXTENDED, YOU COULD QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GOOD CAUSE FOR IT AND ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION. AND THE RECORD AT THAT POINT, YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH TWO YEARS PERSONALLY. OKAY. I AM TOO. BUT I MEAN, I YOUR POINT'S TAKEN. I'M TALKING ABOUT TWO YEARS. YEAH. I WOULD JUST WANT TO SEE SOME PROGRESS IF TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE IN THE SAME THING. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WOULD GET MORE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE PROPERTIES THAT COULD SIT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU EVERY TWO YEARS YOU'RE GOING THERE, YOU GOT TEN YEARS, 15 YEARS, I THINK YOU'D GO BACK TO YOUR CLIENT AND SAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION IS THAT THIS EXTENSION WAS GRANTED FOR TWO YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DONE DEAL. IF YOU CAN COME BACK IN TWO YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT AGAIN. SO MAYBE MAYBE YOU COULD SEND THAT MESSAGE BACK TO YOUR CLIENT. ABSOLUTELY. ASSUMING WE GET IT. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT TO APPROVE IT. YEP. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. AND I THINK IF THESE ISSUES ARE GOING TO KEEP COMING UP, MAYBE STAFF CAN TELL THOSE MAKING THE REQUEST TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO SHOW WHAT THAT GOOD CAUSE IS GOING FORWARD SO WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THEY GOT HERE, AND ALSO A PRETTY GOOD ROADMAP FOR THE FUTURE. YEAH, BECAUSE I GUESS FROM WHAT, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION IS, YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU MORE TIME, BUT WE DON'T WE'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE WHY. AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE FACING THIS AGAIN IN TWO YEARS. SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION? SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO IF THIS IS REALLY THE JUST A RE-APPROVAL OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, ARE THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? JUST THE ONES FROM COPY PASTED? IS THAT WHY? YES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WEREN'T NEW. OKAY. THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME OKAY. YEAH. ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT WHEN AND BEN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WHEN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMES BACK FOR TO BE EXTENDED, WE CAN CHANGE IT UP OR VOTE IT DOWN SO WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU KNOW, SORT OF IN EXCHANGE FOR, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE EXTENSION. SO IF WE DID WANT TO PUT ANOTHER CONDITION ON IT, WHICH MAYBE WE MISSED THE FIRST TIME OR WHATEVER, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE TODAY. WE COULD ASK THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK YEAH. GOT ALL THE MATERIALS AGAIN. IT COULD CHANGE. WE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT AS YOU KNOW WHEN NEIL'S USUALLY HERE AND WE CATCH SOMETHING AND THINK, OH, I WISH WE WISH WE'D DONE THAT TWO YEARS AGO. AND AND YOU KNOW, WE GET IT. SOMETIMES WE GET A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO. ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR THIS CASE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. WITH ROLL, MR. WALLACE. YES, YES. MR. LARSEN. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION. FDP 97 2025. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THE ROLL, MR. LARSEN. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, MR. WALLACE, THAT'S A YES. HERE. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN EXTENSION. ALL RIGHT, GOOD LUCK. SEND THE MESSAGE. ALL RIGHT. OUR LAST CASE TONIGHT IS C U 104 2025 COURTYARDS AT HAYNES CREEK MODEL HOME. CONDITIONAL USE. YOU COULD HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL OF A MODEL HOME ON LOT 102 AT THE COURTYARDS AT HAYNES CREEK SUBDIVISION. SO HERE'S THE SITE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AT THE CORNER OF WOOSTER DRIVE AND ANTIOCH DRIVE. HERE ARE THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS OF THE MODEL HOME. THIS HOME UNIT [00:50:07] IS FROM THE PROMENADE SELECTION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED. THERE'S A BUNCH OF ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION LATE IN 2025, AND HERE ARE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS. SO THIS HOME IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER LOT AND THEREFORE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE ENHANCED ELEVATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. THESE ENHANCEMENTS CAN INCLUDE THE USE OF SHUTTERS OR LOUVERS. IN THIS CASE, THE HOME HAS FAUX SHUTTERS ON THE ELEVATION. HERE'S THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD. THE SIGN DIMENSIONS MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T PROVIDE A SIGNED DISTANCE, SO THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE'LL SEE LATER. AND THEN HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT. SO IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED MODEL HOME IS SITUATED IN AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WITH RELIABLE ACCESS FROM THE CLUBHOUSE, THE SIDEWALKS AND THE LEISURE TRAIL. OPERATION OF THE MODEL HOME IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER MODEL HOMES IN THE NEW ALBANY NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THE MODEL HOME DESIGN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE TWO CONDITIONS. THE MODEL HOME APPROVAL SHALL BE PERMITTED FOR TWO YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST LOT IS SOLD, AND ANY EXTENSION IN TIME IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CONDITION TWO THE MODEL HOME SIGN LOCATION MUST MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOUND IN CO 1160 9.1 E. AND SO I'M HERE IN THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING. NO COMMENT. OKAY. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KELLY FANKHAUSER WITH EPCON COMMUNITIES, 500 STONEHENGE PARKWAY, DUBLIN. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. ONE MAIN QUESTION IS. WHAT PROMPTED THE DECISION TO LOCATE THE MODEL HOME ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION? REALLY THE PROXIMITY TO THE CLUBHOUSE, THAT'S WHERE OUR SALES OPERATIONS WILL BE LOCATED. IT'S CLOSE TO WALK THERE, AMPLE PARKING AT THE CLUBHOUSE AND CAN WALK OVER TO THE MODEL FROM THERE. CAN YOU CAN YOU PUT ONE OF THE DIAGRAM UP SO WE CAN SORT OF SEE WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS? AND HOW? OKAY. CAN YOU PUT ONE UP THAT SHOWS I GUESS THAT DOES HAVE THE LOTS ON IT. YES. THAT'S THE RESERVE AREA WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS LOCATED IN THAT AREA, ACROSS FROM THE CLUBHOUSE, FROM THE MODEL. SO THAT'S WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS. YES. PICKLEBALL ON THE POLE. THAT'S THAT WHOLE AREA IS FOR THE AMENITY. OKAY. WAS THE MODEL. THERE WAS A MODEL HOME APPROVED SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT UP ON LOT 72 OR SOMETHING A WHILE AGO. AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY? SO THAT WAS A SALES TRAILER AND THAT WAS. ON THIS LOT RIGHT HERE. SALES TRAILER OKAY. IS THAT STILL THERE IN OPERATION? SALES TRAILER JUST OPENED. YES. SO WITH THAT CLOSE WHEN THIS MODEL HOME OPENS. YES. AND THE MODEL EXPIRES IN JULY I BELIEVE SO. SO THIS WOULD REPLACE IT. SALES OPERATIONS WILL MOVE FROM THE SALES TRAILER TO THE CLUBHOUSE. CORRECT. BUT THE TRAILER WOULD. THE MODEL WILL NOT BE USED. I'M SORRY. THE MODEL WILL NOT BE USED FOR SALES OPERATIONS. THE MODEL IS USED JUST FOR HOME BUYERS TO WALK THROUGH. OKAY, SO THE TRAILER WOULD STILL BE IN EXISTENCE, STILL PHYSICALLY THERE, CORRECT? IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, AND AN INTERESTED PERSON OR BUYER WALK IN THERE, MEET WITH YOUR TEAM, TALK ABOUT MODELS, ETC. YES, I SEE OKAY FOR NOW THE SALES TRAILER IS LOCATED CLOSER TO JUG. ONCE WE HAVE THE CLUBHOUSE CONSTRUCTED IN A COE, WE WILL MOVE OUR SALES OPERATIONS INTO CLUBHOUSE AND THAT MODEL WILL BE VERY CONVENIENTLY LOCATED ONCE WE'RE SELLING OUT. IS THERE AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE ON THAT ON THE CLUBHOUSE? YEAH, YEAH, WE SHOULD BE TURNING AROUND OUR PLANS HERE WITHIN A WEEK. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THEM APPROVED IN A MONTH AND IT'LL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MONTHS TO THEN BUILD THAT. SO WE'RE THINKING JULY, IT'LL BE ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT SALES TRAILER IS THAT PERMIT EXPIRES OR ANY OTHER LOCATIONS CONSIDERED FOR THE MODEL HOME. NO, I MEAN, [00:55:02] TYPICALLY IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WE LIKE TO PUT THE MODEL NEAR THE CLUBHOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE COME AS A WELCOME CENTER. THE THE END LOCATION BEING THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE SELLING. AND WE LIKE TO HAVE THE MODEL LOCATED CONVENIENTLY TO THAT. SO THAT THAT IS A TYPICAL LOCATION FOR US. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO PLACE IT. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE MODEL HOME NEAR THE CLUBHOUSE. PARKING PEOPLE COME TO THE TO THE WELCOME CENTER FIRST, THE CLUBHOUSE. THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE COME FOR SALES TO START THEIR SALES PROCESS. AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE THEM COME THERE, SEE THE CLUBHOUSE, AND THEN WALK TO THE MODEL. WE DON'T WANT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GOING OVER TO THE MODEL IF WE CAN AVOID IT. IT'S NICE TO HAVE IT RIGHT THERE AT THE CLUBHOUSE AND TO BE ABLE TO WALK. DID YOU CONSIDER LOT 101? IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE CLUBHOUSE. IT'S RIGHT BY THE PARKING LOT. IT'S ON A CORNER. WHAT IS THE CONCERN WITH 102? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE CONCERN IN A FEW MINUTES WHEN WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC, OKAY. BECAUSE YOU'VE YOU'VE PICKED THE ONE LOCATION THAT'S NEAR THE ONE NEIGHBOR THAT COMES EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING. I UNDERSTAND. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IN A FEW MINUTES. AND I JUST I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. I MEAN, YOU'VE CHOSEN THE ONE SPOT FROM THE ONE NEIGHBOR THAT IS ALWAYS HAS CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. SO I JUST AM WONDERING IF YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER LOCATIONS AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER LOCATIONS THAT COULD WORK IT. SO LOT 101, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'M JUST I JUST PICKED IT BECAUSE IT'S A CORNER AND IT'S NEAR. NO, I UNDERSTAND IT'S AN ALLEY LOADED HOME LOT 101 THAT'S A NEWER HOME FOR US, I BELIEVE. I BELIEVE WE MAY BE PERMITTING THAT FOR A SPEC HOME OR SOMEBODY HAS ACTUALLY BOUGHT THAT HOME. IT'S NOT. SO IT WASN'T REALLY SOMETHING WE WERE THINKING ABOUT. WITH CONCERN TO MR. DAVIES AND HIS PROPERTY, THE MODEL WILL BE LESS IMPACTFUL. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEBODY LIVING THERE 24 HOURS A DAY. THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THERE FOR 6 HOURS TO 8 HOURS. IF THEY'RE SHOWING SOMEBODY THE HOME, THEY AREN'T EVEN GOING TO BE IN IT EIGHT HOURS A DAY. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S MAKING HIM FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE. DEVELOPMENT, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, I TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT OR FOR MR. DAVIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE WE'RE COURTEOUS. IT'S A MODEL. IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN FROM, I BELIEVE, 10 TO 6 DURING THE WEEK. AND ON TWO DAYS IT'S OR ONE DAY IT'S OPEN 12 TO 12 TO FIVE OR 12 TO 6, IT IT'S A LOCATION THAT WE TYPICALLY CHOOSE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES. AND IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER I GUESS. YEAH. QUESTION FOR STAFF, THE MODEL, IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT THE THIS AND I'M SORRY THIS IS JAY. IT'S YOUR CASE RIGHT. YES. THE MODEL WOULD THEN BE IN EXISTENCE OR OPERATION UNTIL IS THERE A DATE CERTAIN. OR IS IT UNTIL THE LAST HOME IS SOLD IN THE DEVELOPMENT. SO HOW WE HAVE WRITTEN IT IN THE REPORT IS UNTIL WELL FOR THE CONDITION, EITHER FOR TWO YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST LOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT IS SOLD. SO IF THE, IF THE, IF THERE ARE STILL HOMES IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW, WE GET TO THE TWO YEARS WE'RE ON THE TWO YEAR AND FIRST DAY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO EXTEND IT, JUST LIKE WE SAW AT THE EARLIER CASE. CORRECT. OKAY. ONE, I READ THAT CONDITION DIFFERENTLY. I WOULD JUST FOR FOR A CONSIDERATION FOR THE COMMISSION REQUEST THAT THE THAT THE DURATION BE PUSHED TO THREE YEARS, NOT TWO YEARS, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE ACTIVELY SELLING IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR LIKELY THREE AND A HALF YEARS. WE HAVE 138 MORE HOMES TO SELL, AND IT WOULD. THAT'S JUST MORE OF A REALISTIC TIME FRAME, AND I APPRECIATE THAT CONSIDERATION. WELL, I'LL JUST I'LL RESPOND TO THAT. TWO YEARS IS IS THE MOST TYPICAL TIME PERIOD THAT WE APPROVE. AND WE DO THAT ON PURPOSE SO THAT THAT THERE'S A TWO YEAR PERIOD SO THAT THERE ARE ANY ISSUES THAT COME UP. WE CAN ADDRESS THEM FAIRLY PROMPTLY. SO I ONLY BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE IN THE REPORT IT SAYS THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS, HAS, HAS APPROVED 1 TO 3 YEARS FOR MODEL HOMES IN THE PAST. I DON'T HAVE THE IRONCLAD MEMORY I USED TO HAVE. I DON'T REMEMBER A THREE YEAR ONE, BUT WE MAY WELL HAVE DONE THAT. I CAN IMAGINE WE MIGHT HAVE DONE ONE YEAR AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE THE SHORTER IS, THE BETTER FOR US. I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE FEELING, BUT I THINK TWO YEARS IS A GOOD NUMBER. JUST COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND WE ALWAYS LIKE TO KNOW. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TOO IS WHERE WHERE OUR SALES CURRENTLY, HOW MANY HAVE YOU SOLD [01:00:05] CURRENTLY BASED ON THE THE SALES TRAILER THAT YOU HAVE? I BELIEVE WE HAVE 13 SOLD PLUS TWO SPEC HOMES THAT ARE IN PERMITTING. SO 15 THAT ARE SHOWING SOLD. BUT REMIND US HOW MANY ARE IN THE 151. THANK YOU. IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IS THAT IS THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WHAT THE ARE YOU ON PAGE. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. YEAH. WE'RE WE'RE PLANNING 33A MONTH. SO WE STARTED. YEAH. SO WE'RE WE'RE CLOSE TO THAT. GOTCHA. YEAH OKAY. WE'VE RECENTLY HAD THESE TYPE OF COMMUNITIES WITH THE SALES HOME. DO WE HAVE SALES HOME FOR OUR LAST 55 COMMUNITY FOR, FOR EPCON. YEAH. YES. DO YOU REMEMBER LIKE HOW LONG THE SALES OFFICE WAS THERE FOR? SUBDIVISIONS SOLD OUT REALLY FAST. WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS. TIMING BETWEEN THE SALES TRAILER AND THE CLUBHOUSE, WE WERE ABLE TO. WE USED THE SALES TRAILER, WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IN THE MODEL WAS BUILT LATER. IT SOLD QUICKLY. WE STARTED SELLING IN THAT COMMUNITY IN LIKE 2020, AND WE SOLD OUT IN ABOUT 2023. SO THREE YEAR PERIOD OKAY. AND THAT MODEL CLOSED AFTER WE SOLD OUR LAST HOME. THAT'S WHAT WE DID THERE. AND THAT WAS THE ONE ON 605. YOU'RE REFERRING TO SANDRA OKAY. YEAH. THAT WAS ONE OF SIX I WAS JUST THINKING FROM YOU KNOW, MAYBE TIMES ARE DIFFERENT NOW, BUT THAT WAS DURING COVID. THE HOMES WERE SELLING MUCH QUICKER THEN AT THIS POINT THAT OUT. BUT WE STILL BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND IT HAS HAD A REALLY GOOD START. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS FEEL. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING IT TO THREE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU GET TWO OUT OF THREE VOTES, YOU WOULD GET IT. BUT IT'S JUST IT'S A REQUEST, YOUR CONSIDERATION. I DON'T KNOW IF. YEAH, IT IS A GOOD CHECK POINT TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING. SO OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? MEMBERS? NOTHING ELSE. ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? COME ON UP. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. NO, WE'VE I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, SO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RON DAVIES. I LIVE AT 8200 CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. MR. WALLACE, I THINK YOU KIND OF HIT ON MY QUESTION, SO I WON'T ENABLE THOSE POINTS. I GUESS MAYBE JUST A CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I THINK I GOT LOST IN THE CIRCLE. WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATION AROUND THE MODEL. HOME IS JUST A MODEL HOME AND NOT A SALES OFFICE. SO THE SALES WILL BE DONE THROUGH THE TRAILER OR WILL BE MOVED LATER TO THE CLUBHOUSE. OH, DO YOU MIND COMING TO THE MIC? SO WE AT LEAST GET THE ANSWERS ON THE RECORD TO THANK YOU? THAT'S CORRECT. THE SALES WILL BE CONDUCTED AT THE SALES TRAILER AND THEN IT WILL MOVE TO THE CLUBHOUSE. SALES WILL NOT OPERATE THE MODEL HOME. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I THINK THE ONE PART I DID MISS IN THE IN THE DOCUMENTS TOO, IS JUST ANY CHANGES TO THE LIGHTING PLAN WITH REGARDS TO THAT MODEL HOME UNTIL ALL THE OTHER HOMES ARE BUILT ON THAT WESTERN BOUNDARY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, I JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT THE LIGHTING PLAN IS NOT CHANGING, THAT THEY HAD ISSUES. SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S TRUE. YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S NOT CHANGING OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I DID WANT TO ADD THAT THE NOTTINGHAM TRACE DEVELOPMENT DID HAVE AN EXTENSION FOR THREE YEARS. THREE YEARS. THEY DID OKAY. YEAH. WAS THAT CHANGE. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT. AND WOODHAVEN WAS TWO. I THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK MY POSITION HAS CHANGED ON THIS ONE. ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS STANDARD. HAVE WE APPROVED 10 TO 6 AND OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES FOR MODEL HOMES? FOR EARLY, OR HAS IT BEEN 10 TO 5 A LITTLE BIT EARLIER? I BELIEVE THE THE TIMES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC. I DON'T SEE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE BACK THERE BEFORE, BUT THEY'RE NO LONGER HERE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH, I'M I'M OKAY WITH WHAT WE APPROVED BEFORE JUST TO USE AS RESTRICTIONS DO. USUALLY THEY ARE. A COUPLE EXTRA QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE ROLE, [01:05:01] MR. WALLACE. YES, MR. LARSON? YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION C1042025 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THERE'S A SECOND I'LL SECOND IT THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT. WE HAVE THE MR. LARSON. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE. ALL RIGHT. [ VII. Other business] THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. AND THANKS FOR ANSWERING ALL OUR QUESTIONS. APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT? YES. PLANNING STAFF JUST WANTED TO SEE. SO FEBRUARY'S PC MEETING ALSO FALLS ON A HOLIDAY WEEK. IT'S PRESIDENT'S DAY AND WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WOULD BE OKAY IF WE CANCEL THAT MEETING. AND WE WOULD HAVE THE PC INFORMAL MEETING, WHICH IS ON MARCH 2ND. SO YOU'RE REALLY ASKING US TO NOT HAVE TO COME TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND I'M ASKING YOU SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR WEDNESDAY NIGHT BACK FOR PRESIDENT'S DAY. YES. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD VOTE. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. YOU GOT TWO VOTES. I GUESS IT'S GOING TO PASS. ALL RIGHT. NO, THAT'S FINE. IF THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S URGENT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN MID-FEBRUARY, THEN WE WON'T SEE OUR NEW MEMBER UNTIL THE TILL. THE WORKSHOP ON THE. IS IT GOING TO BE A WORKSHOP OR A MEETING? ON THE FIRST MEETING, YES. SHE'LL BE HERE ON FEBRUARY 2ND. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NO MEETING AT THE VERY SECOND. OH, NO. IT'LL BE MARCH 2ND. WILL BE THE NEXT [ VIII. Poll members for comment] MEETING. GOT IT. ENJOY THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS? I JUST SAY WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE THAT BIG A. WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT BIG OF A GAP SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COMMISSION. SO ENJOY IT BECAUSE IT'S. I CAN'T REMEMBER EITHER. ALRIGHT. THANK * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.