Apr 06, 2026 Planning Commission

[I. Call to order]

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THE MARCH 16TH, 2026, MEETING OF THE NEW ALBANY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. WE HAVE THE. MR. KIRBY, MR. WALLACE PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS HERE. MR. LARSEN, PRESENT. DOCTOR SEIGEL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ HERE. WE HAVE FOUR VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ACTUALLY, I MISSPOKE ON. IT'S THE APRIL 6TH, 2026 MEETING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS LOOKING AT THE MARCH 16TH MT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ACTION ON THE MINUTES. WERE THERE ANY

[III. Action on minutes: March 16, 2026]

IN. SECTION TWO DOWN BELOW, RIGHT UNDER ANNUAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING. IT INDICATESHA THAT I MADE THE MOTION TO NOMINATE NEAL AS CHAIR, BUT THEN THE MINUTES SAY COMMISSIONER WALLACEI BELIEVE TE COMMISSIONER BRIGGS. YES. AND THEN IN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, COMMISSIONER BRIGGS NOMINATED ME TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES I DO SERVE IN THE POSITION. BUT I THINK THE MINUTES SHOULD REFLECT. SERVE? YES. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 16TH MEETING? I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 16TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, I SECOND, IS THERE A SECOND? YES. YOU DID. GOT IT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE HEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS? YES, DOCTOR. YES, MR. LARSEN? YES, MR. WALLACE? YES,

[IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda]

[V. Hearing of visitors for items not on tonight's agenda]

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[VI. Cases]

THE MODIFICATION IS TO SWITCH THE BASE AND AN ENTRY DRIVE, ESSENTIALLY, SO THAT THE ENTRY DRIVE IS NO LONGER IN THAT EASEMENT. BUT THE BASIN WILL BE BECAUSE THE UTILITIES ARE OVERHEAD, THE BASIN STILL NEEDS THE 6 TO 1 SLOPE REQUIREMENTS. AND THEY ALSO ADDED A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION RIGHT HERE. THEY'VE ALSO ADDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, WHICH WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FROM THE 2025 FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAD NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. SO THIS SUMMARIZES THOSE MODIFICATIONS. AND THERE WERE A FEW ENGINEERING COMMENTS. SO THAT IS THE ONE CONDITION OF APPROVAL. I AM HERE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SHE MENTIONED THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. YOU WANT TO PUT THOSE ON THE RECORD PLEASE. YES THEY ARE. TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT CROSS ACCESS EVENTS WITH THE ADJACENT PARCELS, IDENTIFYING ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES THAT MAY REQUIRE PERMITTING, OBTAIN FIRE TRUCK TURNING ANALYSIS APPROVAL, SHOW THE EMERGENCY OVERFLOW ON THE BASIN AND REMOVE PLANTINGS FROM THIS AREA. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM STAFF AT THIS POINT? CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT THEN? THE APPLICANT NOT HERE. OH SORRY, DIDN'T SEE ANY MOVEMENT SO I WAS WONDERING. MY NAME IS NICK WILLIAMS, 5500 NEW ALBANY ROAD AGENT OF THE APPLICANT CIVILJECI JUST WANTED TO SAY ALL OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS ARE BEING ADDRESSED THROUGH PERMITTING. I SEE NO ISSUES WITH A MEANING TO ALL COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE ON THIS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS THREE IT SAYS THAT ADA PARKING PROVIDED IS LESS THAN THE ADA PARKING REQUIRED. IS THAT A DRAFTING ERROR OR IS PROBABLY A DRAFTING ERROR? YEAH WE WILL. WE WILL COMPLY WITH CODE. I'LL REVISIT THE GUIDELINES TO SEE IF IT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY VARIANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? DOES THIS DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE INCREASE, ABILITY OR DECREASE IN CIRCULATION IN AND OUT OF THE MAIN PART OF THE ROAD? LIKE DOES THIS BENEFIT DOES THIS EQUAL IS IT BETTER OR WORSE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED? IT'S EQUAL. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S CERTAINLY LESS PAVEMENT, THERE'S LESS AREA TO MANEUVER, BUT WE MADE SURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH ALL SORTS OF ACCESS FOR DELIVERY. SEMI TRUCKS, OBVIOUSLY FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE COLORS THAT ARE SHOWN KIND OF CIRCULATE IN THE BUILDING ARE ACTUALLY THE TURNING LIMITS OF THE FIRE TRUCK. SO THAT'S I KNOW ONE OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS, NUMBER FOUR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALSO ADDRESS THE PERMITTING AND PROVIDE FOR ENGINEERING FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. OKAY. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THE AEP EASEMENT DID NOT EXIST WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH IN DECEMBER. THAT'S CORRECT. IT WAS MORE OR LESS IN THE WORKS AT THE TIME. IT WAS NOT A RECORDED OR AGREED UPON EASEMENT. SINCE THEN, THE EASEMENT HAS HAS BECOME MORE REAL AND IS AGREED UPON. WE'RE MOVING THEIR INFRASTRURURURURURE AEP UNOBSTRUCTED ACCESS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT FROM THE COMMISSION, WE CAN ALWAYS ASK MORE QUESTIONS LATER. ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO

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MR. WALLACE. YES, YES. HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT CASE ON THE ALTERED AGENDA. FTM 17, 2026 VISIONS PROFESSIONAL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU AGAIN. THIS IS A REQUEST TO MODIFY THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE FOR THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT. THE LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TRUST CORE PROPERTY SOUTH OF FOREST DRIVE BETWEEN THE PARK AND RIDE AND THE NEW AVENUE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, AS SHOWN HERE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE FDP IN 2022 AND A SUBSEQUENT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED IN 2025 FOR MINOR ARCHITECTURAL REVISIONS. THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT. THE APPLICANT STATED THAT DURING THE PREVIOUS MODIFICATION PROCESS, A PROSPECTIVE TENANT REQUESTED RELOCATION OF A BUILDING ENTRANCE. ALTHOUGH THAT TENANT DID NOT ULTIMATELY OCCUPY THE SPACE, THE ENTRANCE RELOCATION REMAINED AND AT THE TIME, THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS WERE NOT UPDATED TO REFLECT THE REVISED ENTRANCE LOCATION. THE PROPOSED REVISION ALIGNS THE WALKWAY TO CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THE RELOCATED ENTRANCE AND REMOVE SEGMENT OF CONCRETE WALKWAY THAT WOULD BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO DAMAGE FROM ROUTINE SNOW REMOVAL AND SERVICE VEHICLE ACTIVITY. THE UPDATED LAYOUT ENHANCES THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION WHILE MAINTAINING THE OVERALL DESIGN, INTENT, AND SITE ESTHETICS.LSO E RACKS THAT WERE IN THESE TWO CONCRETE ISLANDS TO THE CONCRETE ISLANDS THAT ARE ON THE ENDS, AND STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS REQUEST, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING ON THIS ONE? NO ENGINEERING COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS CURRENTLY FROM THE COMMISSION OR SHOULD WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT NEXT? NO. LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. ONCE AGAIN. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT. WELL I THOUGHT THEY WERE HERE. MAYBE NOT. WELL THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD THAT THERE DON'T SEEM TO BE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BE HERE TO ANSWER THEM.

CIRCLING BACK, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND WE CAN VOTE ON THIS. RIGHT. EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, ASSUMING WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENT. WOULD BE I THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. FURTHER. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG TONIGHT ON THE ON THE CASES. I HAVE TO SAY, WE'RE CRUISING TOWARD OUR NEW RECORD. I THINK WE HIT A ROAD BUMP HERE IN A LITTLE WHILE. WE'LL SEE KIND OF MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD FOR FDM 17, 2026. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL WHEN YOU'RE READY, MR. WALLACE. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES, DOCTOR. SEIGEL. YES. MR. LARSEN. YES, THE AYES HAVE IT WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS APPLICATION BEFORE WE VOTE? IS THERE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION? I MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION 17 2026. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE CONDITIONS

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ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE TOP OF THE AGENDA. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT CASE IS ZCO5 2026 COMMUNITY FACILITIES REZONING. WE COULD HEAR FROM STAFF ON THAT ONE, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. BOARD MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO REZONE 69.654 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO COMMUNITY FACILITIES TO ALLOW FOR A NEW POLICE TRAINING FACILITY, COMMUNITY FIELDHOUSE AND GREEN SPACE WITHIN PARK WITH THE INTENT TO HAVE A COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD FOR THIS AREA. SO, DURING THE TIME OF THE PACKET AND REPORT BEING PUBLISHED IN THE MEETING TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTED TO STAFF SOME UPDATES TO THE ELEVATIONS WHICH I HAVE PLACED AT YOUR SEATS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WILL SPEAK TO THOSE CHANGES FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION FOR THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY. SO THE PROCESS FOR THIS APPLICATION BEGAN WITH THE ROCKY FORK BLACK LAKE ACCORD HEARING, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON MARCH 19TH OF THIS YEAR. WE ARE PLANNING COMMISSION STEPS. TODAY, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD WILL HEAR THE APPLICATION NEXT WEEK FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THEN THE REZONING WILL ALSO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING ON APRIL 21ST AND THE SECOND READING ON MAY 5TH. SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED PARCELS TO BE REZONED IN RED. WE HAVE ON THE LEFT HERE THE COMMUNITY FIELD HOUSE. THIS IS THE SITE WHERE THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY WILL BE LOCATED. THIS IS EXISTING FIELD AND SO IS THIS FOR PEOPLE PARK. HERE IS A REZONING MAP PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THE DARK PURPLE OR PARCELS TO BE REZONED TO C F THE LIGHT PURPLE ARE OUR OUR PARCELS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED C F. AND SO DOWN HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS THE PROPOSED POLICE TRAINING FACILITY. HERE'S THE PROPOSED STORAGE FACILITY FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE DEPARTMENT. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED RESTROOM FACILITY. SO HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY. THE APPLICANT NOTIFIED STAFF OF A TYPO IN THE SITE PLANS PROPOSED BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THE CORRECT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 9500. AND IN THE STAFF REPORT IT NOTED 14,000, WHICH IS INCORRECT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A GATE AND FENCE SURROUNDING THE PARKING LOT, SO THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY IS INTENDED NOT TO BE A FACILITY THAT IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.

ADDITIONALLY, THE PARKING BEING PROPOSED IS 32 PARKING SPACES WITH GOVERNMENTAL FACILITIES, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING. THEREFORE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE DISCRETION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE PROPOSED SPACES. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT, AND YOU GUYS HAVE THAT IN YO IN YOUR MATERIALS. ADDITIONALLY, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE FOR THE POLICE FACILITY IS LOCATED AT THE REAR, WHICH REQUIRES A WAIVER TO THE ARB, AND THAT WILL BE HEARD NEXT MONDAY DURING THE ARB MEETING. SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING PLAN. SO THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PRESERVE 26 TREES ON THE PROPERTY. THERE IS AN EXISTING LEISURE LEISURE TRAIL ALONG EAST WALNUT STREET, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A HORSE, THE FOUR RAIL HORSE FENCE, TO FOLLOW THAT PATH. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSED FUTURE BASIN LOCATION, WHICH IS HERE INTENDED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THIS. SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. THE UPDATE THAT THE APPLICANT MADE WAS INCLUDING THIS DOOR ALONG EAST WALNUT STREET. SO THE MATERIALS FOR THE BUILDING PROPOSED ARE TO MATCH THE EXISTING FACILITIES OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE DEPARTMENT. SO HERE'S THE PARK RESTROOM FACILITY. THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS APPROXIMATELY 456FT■!S. PROPOSED TO HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR RESTROOM STALLS, AND THE NEW

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AGAIN. AGAIN THESE MATERIALS WILL MATCH WHAT'S EXISTING. AND SO IN ADDITION TO THE REZONING IS THE COMMUNITY FIELD HOUSE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IN 2024. THIS IS JUST INCLUDED WITH THE REZONING AS A WHOLE, AND IT'S CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED. AND SO HERE'S JUST A RENDERING OF THAT FROM AN AERIAL VIEW. SO IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED POLICE FACILITY, FIELD HOUSE AND PARK GREEN SPACE FIT WITH THE ESTABLISHED AREA OF GOVERNMENTAL USES AND PARK. ALL PROPOSED USES MEET THE SETBACKS OUTLINED IN COMMUNITY FACILITIES, POLICE FACILITY AND FIELD HOUSE PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL NEEDS FOR THE COMMUNITY'S GROWTH. THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS MATCH THE CHARACTER OF THE ESTABLISHED BUILDINGS AT THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMPLEX AND VIVO PARK, AND ALTHOUGH GOVERNMENTAL FACILITIES ARE NOT ABUSE DESIGNATED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THESE TYPES OF USES ARE INTENDED TO BE INTEGRATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IN THESE AREAS. APPROPRIATE. AND THANK YOU. SORRY. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE CONDITIONS ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE. SO THE FUTURE BASED ON THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY PARCEL SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINING THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES AND IS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. AND NUMBER TWO, THAT SIGNAGE FOR THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY BE EVALUATED AND SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. GREAT, THANKS. IS THERE ANY ENGINEERING? THERE WAS A TYPO ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I SEE THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT BUT IS. I C M H T BROUGHT THE WAS ASSISTING ON THIS. IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER WE SHOULD HEAR ON THE APPLICANT SIDE? OKAY. HI EVERYONE WITH THE PUBLIC SERVICE DEPARTMENT, 7800 BILLHEIMER ROAD. SO WE HAD A TEAM WITH US TONIGHT. SO NICK OVENS, WHO'S ALSO THE SITE DESIGNER AND LEAD FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THIS APPLICATION. WE ALSO HAVE SHARON DERSHWITZ OVER HERE. SHE WAS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY AS WELL OVERALL. AND WE ALSO HAD EPI FARIS TO DESIGN FOR DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS AS WELL. SO I THINK THIS APPLICATION IS SORT OF A REFLECTION OF GROWTH FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND A LOT OF THIS IS REALLY CLEAN UP TOO. SO MOST RECENTLY THE CITY ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY WHERE THE FIELD HOUSE IS ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND SLATED TO BE OPEN THIS FALL IN ORDER TOTRUCTION COULD START IMMEDIATELY, WE WORKED ON AN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL AND PLAIN TOWNSHIP IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE CITY TO DO THE PERMITTING, AND WE AGREED THAT RETROACTIVELY, WE WOULD COME BACK AND AND REQUEST THE ENTITLEMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. OTHERWISE, THE OTHER PARCELS THAT WERE PLAYFIELDS WERE ACQUIRED BY THE JOINT PARKS DISTRICTS. OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD REZONE TO OR THEY COULD ZONED TO AG UPON ANNEXATION, WHICH DOES ALLOW PARKLANDS. AND THEN THE SITE TO THE SOUTH OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE FACILITY THAT WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY IN 2012. REALLY FOR THIS TYPE OF FUTURE GROWTH, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO NEED AT THE TIME, BUT COUNCIL MADE THE WISE DECISION WHEN THAT PROPERTY CAME ON THE MARKET TO ALLOW THAT TO ALLOW FOR THAT FIVE ACRE PARCEL FOR GROWTH. SO REALLY, THIS REZONING ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE MUCH THAT YOU ALREADY SEE OUT THERE AS FAR AS LIKE OPERATIONALLY GOES FROM PARK FIELDS AND FIELD HOUSE AND SERVICE IS THAT TRAINING FACILITY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S. BUT AS JAY MENTIONED, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO LOOK AND FEEL THE SAME OUT THERE ARCHITECTURALLY. AND AND IT WILL STILL ALLOW FOR SOME

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SO THAT'S THE SAME PROCESS THE CITY USED FOR ROSE RUN PROJECT AND THE ROSE RUN TWO PROJECT.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY ON BOARD HERE REALLY SOON. BUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO MAKE A FEW MINOR TWEAKS HERE AND THERE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO SHARON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SHARON FROM ARCHITECTS. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE CHANGES TO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, BUT SINCE WHAT WE SUBMITTED TO JAY BACK IN FEBRUARY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CHIEF AND WE MADE SOME PLAN CHANGES AND WORKING WITH ARB, WE'VE BEEN FLIPPING SOME THINGS BACK AND FORTH. SO THAT CAUSED SOME CHANGES. SO I DO APE FOIZE FOR THAT. SO ON THESE, THE TOP ONE IS THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT YOU HAD SEEN. THE BOTTOM IS THE NEW PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE MAIN REASON FOR FLIPPING THIS TO THE NEW PLAN ON THE BOTTOM, THE NEW PLAN WAS ACTUALLY OUR PREVIOUS PLAN. BUT THROUGH ARB, WE THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD FLIP THE PLAN. WE DO HAVE A FIRING RANGE IN THIS BUILDING, AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH NOT HAVING WINDOWS IN THAT. SO WE HAD FLIPPED THE FIRING RANGE TO THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS MORE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. BUT THROUGH WORKING WITH THE ARB, THEY DID WANT WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES. SO ONCE WE KNEW THAT WE HAD TO PROVIDE WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES, WE DECIDED TO FLIP THE PLAN BACK TO THE WAY WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT, WHICH IS THAT BOTTOM PLAN. AND WHAT THAT ALLOWED FOR US WAS TO HAVE A BETTER ENTRANCE TO THE COMMAND VEHICLE GARAGE. IN THE TOP PLAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING TO ENTER THE MAIN DOOR TO THE GARAGE, OR GO THROUGH THE BUILDING AND THROUGH THE ARMORY TOTHE NEW BOTTOM PLAN ALLOWS THEM TO COME RIGHT FROM THE PARKING LOT INTO THAT GARAGE. IT ALSO ALLOWED US BETTER ENTRANCE FOR THE STAFF ENTRANCE TO COME IN AND HAVE THAT COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THAT MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM. IT REALLY ALLOWS FOR THAT MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM TO BE CONFIGURED IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, BECAUSE THAT ENTRANCE IS NOW OUT OF THAT RECTANGLE SPACE. SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN REASONS FOR THE FLIP. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT JUST SHOWS WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AND AFTER. WE REALLY JUST FLIPPED THE BUILDING THE OTHER WAY. SO. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW FROM THE SOUTHWEST VIEW, THE BOTTOM ONE IS THE NEW ONE. WE DO HAVE THAT CENTRAL ENTRANCE LOOKING DOOR ON THE BOTTOM. IT WILL NOT BE AN ENTRANCE TO IT. THE DOOR DOES ACTUALLY GO TO THE FIRING RANGE. IT IS COMPLETELY HAS NO R HARDWARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT DOOR WHATSOEVER. THERE WILL BE A SLIDING BALLISTIC PANEL ON THE INSIDE. THIS WOULD ONLY BE USED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THEY'RE BRINGING EQUIPMENT FOR TRAINING IN AND OUT OF THE FIRING RANGE ITSELF. SO SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE RANGE ON LOCK. THAT SLIDING BALLISTIC DOOR, THEN UNLOCK THE DOUBLE DOOR FOR SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THAT DOOR. AND THAT'S ONCE THEY'RE EVEN IN THE RANGE. SO IT'S KIND OF THREE LAYERS OF PROTECTION. SO THERE WILL BE NO ACCIDENTAL OPENING OF THAT DOOR. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE NORTH VIEW. SO WE HAVE TWO MATCHING ENTRANCES. ONE THAT'S GOING TO THE COMMAND VEHICLE GARAGE. THE OTHER IS GOING TO MORE OF THE TRAINING FACILITY PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS THE OH, SORRY, LET'S JUST GET TO THE SHORTER SIDES. SO THE SHORTER SIDES, WE REALLY JUST FLIPPED THEM. SO BEFORE AND AFTER THE GARAGE DOOR SLID FURTHER NORTH, AND THEN THE WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE SLID SOUTH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS

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OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? NOT FOR ME. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A NON RELATED QUESTION. THAT'S FOR STAFF. SO IN THIS HERE IT'S THE ZONING AMENDMENT. SO WE'RE CHANGING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO THE COMMUNITY FACILITY. IT IS. ARE WE ALSO APPROVING THE BUILDINGS AS PART OF THIS. IS THAT MORE OF AN FYI. BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME. YEAH. SO WITH THE FACILITY ZONING DISTRICT, IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY UNIQUE ZONING DISTRICT. IT REQUIRES A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WHEN A PROPERTY IS BEING REZONED. SO YES, YOU ARE. AND THAT'S VERY THAT IS VERY ABNORMAL FOR A ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. SO SO OKAY, SO IT'S IT'S LIKE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A ZONING CHANGE ESSENTIALLY ALTOGETHER. YEP. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE COMMUNITY FACILITY, THE CHANGE TO THE COMMUNITY FACILITY. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. THE EXHIBIT TWO SHOWS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. ARE THEY PART THIS APPLICATION? I THINK STEVE'S GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. SO THIS IS THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY RIGHT HERE IN PARKING LOT. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE TO TRY TO SLIDE THAT TO THE SOUTH. AND SORRY, I SHOULD INTRODUCE THE POLICE CHIEF, CHIEF JONES BACK THERE. HE NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION. SO HE'S BEEN PART OF THIS TEAM. SO THEY'VE WORKED WITH THE SERVICE FACILITY TO PUSH THIS BUILDING TO THE FURTHEST POINT SOUTH POSSIBLE. SO IT'S SET BACK IS MATCHING OUR STRATEGIC PLAN RECOMMENDS. BUT YOU'RE CORRECT. THERE ARE JUST SOME BASICALLY SOME RECTANGLES LIKE DRAWN ON HERE. WE'VE ESSENTIALLY DONE A FIT TEST OF WHAT WE COULD PUT ON THAT SITE. SO PART OF THE STUDY WE THIS BUILDING IS BEING CONSTRUCTED HERE. AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR SITE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTS TO TRY TO FIND OUT, D MORE SPACE, WHAT COULD WE POSSIBLY PUT ON THERE? SO THIS IS JUST A TYPICAL PROTOTYPE.

WE'VE BEEN CALLING IT LIKE THE CHEVY BUILDING. IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHEVY ICON. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED THROUGH THIS FIT TEST OF DOING BUILDING FOOTPRINTS IS THAT WE COULD ALMOST DOUBLE OUR SERVICE FACILITY CAPABILITIES. CANDIDLY, IT IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER AND WAS A FIT TEST. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WILL GO THERE BECAUSE WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET WHERE WE NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE. WHAT WE FEEL WILL PROBABLY NEED IS JUST MORE GARAGE SPACE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THAT 12 BAY GARAGE THAT WILL BE BUILT AS PART OF THIS REZONING AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. WHAT IF I HAD TO GUESS TODAY? I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY MOVE SOUTH AND DO A SIMILAR BUILDING JUST TO KIND OF BOOKEND THIS SIDE OF THE SERVICE FACILITY. WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS STORAGE SPACE RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU GO OUT THERE, I THINK IT'S NO SECRET. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE YARD. AND S S S SF OUR VEHICLES, MESSAGE BOARDS, SIGNS, JUST EQUIPMENTS LIKE OUT OF THE ELEMENTS AND INTO THE GARAGES. SO WHEN THOSE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN, THAT WILL TRIGGER THE APPLICATION TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. OKAY. SO THEY ARE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. THEY ARE JUST FOR THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY CAN BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE, I THINK. YEAH, I BELIEVE I MEAN, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK IF THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE. AGAIN, IF IT IS SOMETHING I THINK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM A LAYOUT STANDPOINT, I THINK OUR CODE WOULD MAKE US COME BACK.

IS THAT RIGHT, CHRIS? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. WE JUST WE JUST TRY TO PUT AS MUCH ON HERE, DO THAT FIT TEST NOW SO THAT WE CAN GET AS MANY APPROVALS RIGHT NOW WITH THE REZONING PROCESS AS WE CAN. TYPICALLY INSTITUTIONAL AND CIVIC BUILDINGS ARE JUST REVIEWED BY THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. NORMALLY IN ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT. BUT AS STEVE MENTIONED, I THINK THEY'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK. IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BUILDING IN ADDITION TO THE IRB, BUT IT WILL AT LEAST GO TO THE IRB. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS IS PRETTY REALISTIC, THESE BUILDINGS, BECAUSE JUST MATCHES THAT. BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST A

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OKAY. THANKS. AND STEVE, KIND OF A FOLLOW UP ON THAT. DID WE SEE IN SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT THERE WILL BE GATES TO GET INTO THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY? SO THERE WOULD BE A GATE AT THAT LOCATION THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER JUST MENTIONED. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THE PARKING LOT WILL BE COMPLETELY FENCED OFF. SO YOU WILL NEED A KEY CODE ACCESS TO GET THROUGH A GATE INTO THE PARKING LOT. SO THE EVEN THE PARKING LOT ITSELF WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

IT WILL BE GATED DAY ONE. I THINK TYPICALLY WE WOULD WANT THOSE LINED UP TOGETHER, BUT THE FACT THAT FENCED IN PRIVATE FACILITY LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S OKAY. MOST EXPENSIVE AND EXPENSIVE. GREAT. WHY DON'T WE TURN IT OVER AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS APPLICATION? PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS JOE CRUM AND MY ADDRESS IS 7876 PETER HOOVER ROAD, AND I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS WHERE THAT ENTRANCE IS JUST SOUTH OF THE RIGHT, RIGHT THERE, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT HOUSE THERE. BUT I'M FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE REZONING ENTAILS FOR THAT SECTION TO THE RIGHT.

WHY? WHY ARE WE REZONING IT? I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY. AND ISN'T THAT GREEN SPACE WE'RE DOING HERE? DO YOU WANT GO AHEAD AND RESPOND TO THAT. YEAH. SO IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE WE'RE REZONING THIS TO CREATE A MORE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AROUND THE AREA. EVERYTHING ELSE IS ZONED C-F AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT COHESIVE. AND NOTHING'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THAT SITE. IT'S GOING TO REMAIN AS IS. I THINK IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR BALL FIELDS. AND THAT IS NOT CHANGING. BUT JAY'S RIGHT. IT'S JUST MORE OF A LOT OF THOSE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE BEING REZONED TO THE NORTH OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE OR THE, SORRY, THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY. IT'S MORE OF A CLEANUP BECAUSE THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ZONED AG AND WE'RE JUST MAKING THEM MATCH THOSE COMMUNITY FACILITIES. ZONING DISTRICT. SO. YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE COHESIVE THAN EVERYTHING, BUT THAT REALLY DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. WHY? YES. SO EVERYTHING IN LIGHT PINK HERE IS ZONED C-F TODAY. SO THAT'S THE MAJORITY. IT'S THE PUBLIC SERVICE FACILITY AND BILHEIMER PARK. SO THIS APPLICATION, THE

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SO REALLY IT JUST ALLOWS FOR ONE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PARK ITSELF TO BE ONE ZONING DISTRICT. AND INSTEAD OF BEING A HODGEPODGE. SO THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IMMEDIATELY. BUT WE JUST WE JUST REALIZED THAT WE COULDN'T TELL YOU WHY IT WASN'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'T OF REALIZED IT WHEN LOOKING AT THE FIELD HOUSE. THERE'S ALSO SOME CONFUSION WITH THAT BLOCK THERE. IT IS ONLY PART OF THE ENTIRE TRACK OF THAT PIECE OF LAND. AND WHY WOULD A PORTION OF THAT TRACK BE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER 12 ACRES OR 13 ACRES? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THERE IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BASEBALL FIELDS AND ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO THE PARKING LOT, PARKING LOT THERE, WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED? SO ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND. SO IF SOMEBODY PURCHASES TWO PROPERTIES, THEY CAN COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE PARCEL. BUT THE ZONING WOULDN'T CHANGE NECESSARILY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO I BET WHAT HAPPENED. THIS IS JUST AN EDUCATED GUESS IS THAT THE PARK DISTRICT PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. THEN THEY PURCHASED THIS ONE AND THEY JUST DID A LOCK COMBINATION. IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR TAX REASONS TO HAVE ONE PARCEL INSTEAD OF TWO.

OKAY, BUT NEVER ACTUALLY REZONE THIS PORTION OF THE PARCEL. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC, PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO WE PICK IT UP. FOR THE RECORD, I'M JIM BRAND, 7188 TUMBLEWEED DRIVE HERE IN NEW ALBANY. WHY ARE WE PUTTING A POLICE TRAINING FACILITY IN BETHLEHEM AND PARK IN BETWEEN PICKLEBALL COURTS AND SOCCER FIELDS? IT SEEMS LIKE AN UNUSUAL, INCONSISTENT USE OF THE AREA. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS HAVING A FIRING RANGE RIGHT THERE. HOW LOUD WILL THAT BE FOR THE PEOPLE PLAYING SOCCER AND PEOPLE PLAYING PICKLEBALL? WHAT'S THE DECIBEL LEVEL? HAS THERE BEEN A STUDY BEEN DONE ON THAT? HOW LOUD IS THAT GOING TO BE? SO I JUST THINK UNUSUAL TO PUT IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO PUT A POLICE TRAINING FACILITY SOMEPLACE IN THE CITY, SOMEPLACE HERE. IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO PUT IT IN BETWEEN FIELDS. SO, STEVE, WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE BEST PERSON TO SORT OF RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION? THERE'S ACTUALLY IT'S TWOFOLD WHY THE POLICE FACILITY SORT OF NEAR THE NEAR THE WHY THERE THAT IS A PUBLIC SERVICE AREA. AND THEN ALSO, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NOISE AS IF IT IS PART OF A SERVICE FEATURE OF THE CITY. THE POLICE WON'T BE HAVING OFFICES IN THERE.

THEY WON'T BE. FREQUENT. THEY WON'T BE IN THAT BUILDING AS A FULL TIME STAFF. IT WILL BE THERE FOR TRAINING, TRAINING. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TRAINING THERE. THEY HAVE SOME THAT DEFENSE TRAINING IN THERE. THEY HAVE A SEMINAR ROOM WHERE THEY CAN DO AN ALL STAFF MEETING THERE, AND ALSO THE FIRING RANGES THERE. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAINING THAT CAN BE DONE IN THAT BUILDING. AND SINCE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC BUILDING THAT ANY PUBLIC WOULD BE VISITING, WE FELT THAT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS COHESIVE WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WERE THERE ON THE SITE, LIKE THE PUBLIC ISN'T VISITING THE STORAGE SHEDS OR OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO WE THOUGHT THAT IT FIT IN THAT REGARD. AS FOR THE SOUND, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PICKLEBALL WILL BE LOUDER THAN THE FIRING RANGE ITSELF. THE FIRING RANGE WILL BE MADE OUT OF TEN INCH POURED CONCRETE WALLS WITH INSULATION ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE INSIDE OF THAT WALL, AND THE INSULATION ON THE ROOF ITSELF. SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HEARING THE CARS GOING BY, AND THE PICKLEBALL WILL BE LOUDER THAN THE FIRING RANGE ITSELF. GREAT. DID THAT ANSWER? DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, COME TO THE MIC OR WE WON'T. WE WON'T. THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT WINDOWS. AND YES, WE ARE PUTTING WINDOWS IN THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE FIRING RANGE PORTION OF IT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE LIKE SECOND SKIN OF A WALL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE HAVE THE TEN INCH POUR CONCRETE WALL AND THAT WILL REMAIN SOLID THE

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AND THAT DOOR HAS THE INSULATION ON THE SLIDING PANEL, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE ACTUALLY ON A FURRED OUT STUD WALL THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CONCRETE WALL, AND THOSE WINDOWS WILL BE OPAQUE, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING. SO THOSE WINDOWS ARE PURELY DECORATIVE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE FIRING RANGE IS SORT OF SELF CONTAINED WITHIN THE BUILDING AND SOUNDPROOFED AND YES, OTHERWISE MADE SAFE FOR BOTH PEOPLE USING IT AND OUTSIDE OF IT? YEAH. ACTUALLY, JUST AT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE TODAY, WE DID A FIRING FIRING RANGE THERE ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, AND I WAS ASKING THEM ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT CAME UP. AND THEY SAID WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THEIR THEIR BUILDING IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR POLICE STATION. AND THEY SAID WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THEIR DOOR IN THE FIRING RANGE IS ABOUT 100FT AWAY, THEY DON'T HEAR IT. OKAY. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? WELL, JUST TO LET YOU BETTER COME TO THE MICROPHONE OR WE WON'T. WE WANT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

MAYBE IT MAY. I STILL LIKE TO KNOW. GUNSHOTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN ROAD NOISE. ROAD NOISE COMING BACK IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, STANDARD THEN. BUT YOU HAVE GUNSHOTS GOING OFF AND KIDS PLAYING SOCCER OVER, YOU KNOW, VERY CLOSE. YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THAT. AND AND PICKLEBALL MAKES NOISE, I GET THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS GUNSHOTS. AND I STILL DON'T THINK THAT A POLICE TRAINING FACILITY IS CONSISTENT WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS AND SOCCER FIELDS MAY BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FACILITIES, BUT IT STILL SEEMS INCONSISTENT. I'M NOT AGAINST A TRAINING FACILITY, DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER IT BELONGS HERE NEXT TO SOCCER FIELDS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS. THAT'S THAT'S SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT GOT ANSWERED. STEVE. WHAT OTHER LOCATIONS CONSIDERED FOR THE THE POLICE TRAINING YEAH. SO THE CITY LOOKED AT ALL OF ITS LAND HOLDINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE MANY OPTIONS. YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR LAND PROPERTIES HERE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AT VILLAGE HALL, WE ACTUALLY LEASE THE RED ROOF BUILDING. SO WE HAD VERY LIMITED OPTIONS WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS. AND REALLY WHAT THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF THE EXISTING SERVICE SERVICE FACILITY WAS PURCHASED FOR WAS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE EXPANSION OF, YOU KNOW, FUTURE CITY SERVICES. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR UNTIL NOW.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF SERVICE AND POLICE. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OTHER USES THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY, YEAH, BASED ON LAND HOLDINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE, THIS WAS REALLY THE ONLY OPTION THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO US BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, NOT EVEN JUST FOR SHOOTING RANGE, BUT JUST FOR THE NUMBER OF TRAINING FACILITIES. I THINK THE SEATS, LIKE 40 OR 50 PEOPLE WITHIN IT.

RIGHT. SO IT IS LIKE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, GIVE O O , THIS WAS REALLY THE ONLY OPTION THAT WAS AVAILABLE. WHAT DID THE POLICE OFFICERS GO TO TRAIN FOR SHOOTING TODAY AND NOW? I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. CURRENTLY WE USE NEWARK'S OUTDOOR RANGE, WHICH IS IN SAINT LOUIS VILLE, WHICH IS NORTH OF NEWARK. SO IT'S A IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HIKE TO MOVE EQUIPMENT AND PEOPLE OVER THERE. WE DO IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT I JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE RANGE THE TRAINING FACILITY IS, IS IMPORTANT. IT'S ALSO ACTS AS A 901 CENTER BACKUP, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY OHIO 911, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THE THE BUILDING, THE PD BUILDING IS ON THE LOT THAT IT'S ON, IT'S GOING TO BE THE BUILDING'S GOING TO BE EXPANDED SLIGHTLY, BUT IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO PUT A LARGE MEETING SPACE LIKE WE NEED FOR THE TRAINING FACILITY, MUCH LESS ARRANGE. SO THIS KIND OF CAME ABOUT WITH THE NEED TO SPACE FOR THE PD IN GENERAL.

AND THE IDEA WAS, IS TO KEEP PEOPLE AT THE PD BUILDING AND MOVE SOME OF THE OTHER FUNCTIONS OF THE PD, A LARGER MEETING SPACE, ARRANGE THINGS LIKE THAT UP TO THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE'RE DESIGNED TO BE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE ALREADY USE THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE A LARGER MEETING SPACE THAN WE DO. WE DO CPA, POLICE ACADEMY UP THERE.

WE HAVE LARGE MEETINGS FOR THE DEPARTMENT, OTHER TRAINING, FEMALE SELF-DEFENSE CLASSES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE USING THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT, A KIND OF A NATURAL FIT FOR US AS FAR AS THE THE SOUND GOES, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO ACTION TARGET, WHICH THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS CONTRACTUALLY ASSIGNED TO, TO DO THIS, BUT AND SPEAKING WITH THEM, WE ASKED ABOUT THE SOUND OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. WE VISITED MARION PD RANGE. THEY GAVE US A DECIBEL LEVEL, BUT THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT THEY SAID IT'S EQUIVALENT TO A PASSING CAR. AND SO WHEN WE WERE WHEN WE

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GET MY ADDRESS. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, SIR? TO POINTE ADDITIONAL. YEAH. GO AHEAD, 7876 PETERBOROUGH ROAD. AND JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT POLICE SERVICE CENTER OR WHATEVER, THERE'S ONLY A PART PARKING LOT SHOWING THERE. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE THE PARKING LOT COME ALL THE WAY OVER TO THAT BOUNDARY, BUT THEY RAN OUT OF FUNDING. SO I JUST WANT TO BRING IT'LL BE CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT. AND THEY DO NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING TO HANDLE THE EVENTS THAT THEY HOLD UP THERE. I CAN SEE THAT PARKING LOT GOING OVER TO THAT PROPERTY LINE. SO THAT WILL PUT YOU CLOSER TO THAT POLICE FACILITY. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE SHOOTING, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT COULD BE DONE WHEN THE PARK'S NOT AT ITS PEAK USE IN THE EVENINGS OR WEEKENDS OR MAYBE DURING THEHEH. JUST AN OBSERVATION ON YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM. SPEAKING OF PARKING, I THINK STAFF WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WERE GOING TO BE PROVIDED THERE. I THINK THE REPORT INDICATED THAT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY DIDN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PARKING REQUIREMENT, AND THAT THE COMMISSION WAS SUPPOSED TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE, BUT BUT STAFF'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT. WE ARE COMFORTABLE. CORRECT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION REGARDING PARKING AND THAT SORT OF THING? ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION ON PAGE SIX. SORRY, PAGE 8.6. IT SAYS THAT THERE IS NO PROPOSED LIGHTING FOR THE PARK RESTROOM FACILITY. IS THAT THE STANDARD? WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE LIGHTING FOR THE RESTROOMS

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TECHNICALLY, THE CITY'S PARK HOURS ARE FROM SUNRISE TO SUN SETS, SO THEORETICALLY THIS SHOULD BE CLOSED AND NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AFTER SUNSET HOURS UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF SPECIAL EVENT THAT THAT OCCURS. I WILL ADD THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CAMERAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLACED AT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT WILL GIVE DIRECT VIEW ALSO OF THOSE OF THE RESTROOMS. SO THAT WILL BE ALSO COMING SOON. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING FURTHER? THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS PROBABLY FOR CHRIS THE WHERE IT SHOWS FUTURE BUILDINGS.

THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE APPROVAL. THOSE ARE JUST AN FYI. I'M ACTUALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS CONFIRMING WITH BEN AND I MISREAD THE CODE. DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WITH YOU GUYS? ALL THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED WITH THE CPH REZONING IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS A SITE PLAN. AND THEN ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT IS JUST KIND OF EXTRA. SO ALL THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, WE HAD THOSE READY TO GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. SO WE JUST INCLUDED IN THESE PACKETS. SO THOSE FUTURE BUILDING LAYOUTS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE PLAN ARE APPROVABLE. IF THOSE WERE TO CHANGE AFTER TONIGHT'S APPROVAL, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND GET THAT THAT ADJUSTED AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY SHOWN. THOSE ARE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOCKING IN THOSE RATES. FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT. SO ONCE THOSE FUTURE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE INTENSITY OF THE AREA SIGNIFICANTLY OR THE TRAFFIC AROUND THE AREA SIGNIFICANTLY? SO WE WOULD ANALYZE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT WAS ANALYZED WHEN WE DID THIS EXPANSION WITH THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR SURE, AND THEN THE APPLICATION WOULD STILL NEED TOTHE ARCHITECTURAL D AS WELL. SO LIKE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN BUILDINGS, THE PARKING FOR THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD NOT COME BACK. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION FOR THE ONES CALLED FUTURE? ANY ASSOCIATED PARKING THAT GOES WITH THOSE OR LANDSCAPING OR DISTANCES THAT WOULD NOT COME BACK HERE? THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. ANY BUILD, JUST BUILDINGS THAT WOULD GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. SO IN ESSENCE, WE'RE ALLOWING STAFF TO DO WHAT IT WANTS SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH HOW OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED UP THERE. LIKE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY APPROVALS BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE IRB, AND NEITHER DID THE BASKETBALL COURTS. EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WHEN CERTAIN TYPES OF PLANS MIGHT HAVE TO COME CORRECT? YEAH. BUILDINGS HAVE TO GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. I MISS I DIDN'T STATE IT CORRECTLY EARLIER THAT THE BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I MISSPOKE, IT WOULD JUST BE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. IF THEY CHANGED THE SITE PLAN, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT BASICALLY SURROUNDS ALL THESE AREAS IS THE CITY'S PROPERTY. SO IF THE CITY WANTS TO CRAM SOMETHING IN, I GUESS THEY CAN DO IT. THAT'S KIND OF OUR JOB AS THE COMMISSION, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ZONING REGULATIONS ARE BEING COMPLIED WITH AND THAT THE INTERESTS OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE BEING SORT OF CONSIDERED AS MUCH AS THEY CAN BE. AND I GUESS HERE IN THE CITY'S THE NEIGHBOR. SO I GUESS I GUESS I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT IDEA THAT THAT IS, THAT IT DOESN'T COME BACK. BUT I GUESS THE MORE MAJOR ONES WILL. SO I GUESS, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT. I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, ANY BUILDINGS DO HAVE TO GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. YOU KNOW, IN ANY BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S CALLED PROPOSED OR FUTURE, IF IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS TODAY, WOULD IT COME BACK? YES. THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND MODIFY THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. YEP. SO LIKE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE MORE I WANT TO CALL THEM MORE ON THE INTERIOR. RIGHT. AND BY THE SERVICE YARD. SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS CONCERNED TO ME IF SOMETHING WAS TO COME CLOSER TO A BORDER WHERE THERE'S A NEIGHBOR THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE THAT WOULD COME BACK, I WOULD STILL HAVE THAT VISIBILITY. AND THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. OKAY, GOOD. GOOD QUESTION. ANYTHING FURTHER? I'M GOING TO MOVE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR ZC OH FIVE 2026. IS THERE A SECOND I SECOND? CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL READY? CHRISTINA. WALLACE

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THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD LUCK.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, STEVE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT CASE. ZC 15, 2026 PRAIRIE HOUSE NEIGHBORHOOD REZONING. COULD HEAR FROM STAFF. YES. GOOD EVENING. SO 18.46 ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6060 EAST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD AND IS A KNOWN BY MOST AS THE PRAIRIE HOUSE. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED R2 AND IS ASKING TO BE REZONED TO A PUD TEXT THAT WILL BE CALLED THE PRAIRIE HOUSE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE AREA IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS SUCH AS PICKETT PLACE TO THE SOUTH AND HAMPSTEAD TO THE WEST. SO JUST A REMINDER OF THE PROCESS FOR THIS. SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE REZONING AND THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEN THE REZONING WILL BE HEARD AT COUNCIL. AND THEN BEFORE IT WOULD GO WITH A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BACK HERE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WOULD HAVE TO STOP AT T A B FOR THE PARKLAND INCLUDED ON IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE 39 RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH ASSOCIATED PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. THIS IS A A SIDEWAYS VIEW JUST SO IT FITS ON THE SCREEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. BUT THIS THE NORTH IS UP HERE. SO THIS IS WHERE THE PARKING WOULD BE. AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WOULD BE DOWN HERE. THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS 2.1 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS THE SAME DENSITY ALLOWED BY THE CURRENT R-2 ZONING DISTRICT. AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED SCHOOL IMPACT STUDY WHICH IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS. THERE WILL BE ONE ONE ACCESS DRIVE LINING UP WITH PICKETT PLACE OFF OF EAST DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD HERE, AND THEN ONE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ENTRANCE ONLY THAT WILL HAVE BREAKAWAY BALLADS AND GRASS PAVERS. THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING EIGHT FOOT LEISURE TRAIL ALREADY EXISTING ON EAST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD, AND THE TEXTS STATE THAT THE PATH WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED WHEN NECESSARY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE EXISTING DIP, WHICH YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ON THIS ONE. BUT I'M SURE IF YOU'VE DRIVEN PAST IT, YOU'VE SEEN THE LITTLE CURVE IN THE LEISURE TRAIL WILL BE CORRECTED AND STRAIGHTENED OUT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS JUST A PROPOSED LAYOUT WITH HOUSE HOUSES LAID ON IT. THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN OF WHAT THE HOUSES WILL LOOK, BUT JUST KIND OF TO GIVE YOU A BETTER VISUAL OF WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE, THE ARCHITECTURE STANDARDS IN THE TEXT DO PROVIDE STANDARDS THAT WILL COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE ARCHITECTURAL AND LANDSCAPING DETAILS WILL BE PROVIDED IN MORE DETAIL WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO LOOKING AT SETBACKS, THE TEXT DOES CALL OUT DIFFERENT SITE TYPES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, AS SEEN ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, AND THEY'RE REFERRED TO AS PROTOTYPES A, B, C, D, E, AND THEN SPECIALTY. AND THE SETBACKS ARE BROKEN UP BY THE LOT PROTOTYPE TYPES. SO FOR FRONT YARDS THE SETBACKS ARE 28FT AND EIGHT FEET FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE PROTOTYPES FOR SIDE YARDS. THE SETBACK IS FIVE FEET FOR FACADES OTHER THAN GARAGES AND THEN FOR FACADES WITH GARAGES, IT WOULD BE ZERO FEET AND FIVE FEET FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE PROTOTYPES AND THEN FOR REAR LOTS OR REAR YARD SETBACK. SORRY, LOTS NOT ALONG THE PERIMETER BOUNDARY WILL HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK. LOTS ALONG THE ALLEY WHICH WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUBDIVISION. HERE WE'LL HAVE A TEN FOOT SETBACK. LOTS ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY. WE'LL HAVE A 30 FOOT SETBACK AND THEN LOTS ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. WE'LL HAVE A 40 FOOT SETBACK AND THEN LOTS ALONG EAST DUBLIN. GRANVILLE WILL HAVE A 50 FOOT SETBACK. AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF SHOWING THOSE PERIMETER SETBACKS. SO AGAIN, THE 50FT, 40FT AND 30FT HERE. LOOKING AT THE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE 93,600FT■!S OF PARKLAND IN THE NORTH AREA OF THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS UP HERE AGAIN. AND THEY ARE

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YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING FEW EXISTING STRUCTURES BACK HERE. THIS THIS SITE HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN ZONED R TWO AND CONTINUES TO BE ZONED R2 ONLY. CONCLUSION. I CAN REACH ABOUT PRAIRIE RELATED AREAS. IT'S WHAT WE CALL A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING USE. SO IT WAS A RETAIL USE THAT OPERATED DESPITE IT BEING ONLY A RESIDENTIAL ZONING FOR YEARS. SO IT MUST HAVE SOMEHOW PREDATED ZONING AS WE STARTED. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR SEVERAL YEARS SINCE MRS. WARREN DIED. SO YOU MAY HAVE KNOWN MRS. DORAN. VERY NICE LADY. I KNEW HER PRETTY WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE, IT IS TRULY AN INFILL SITE. YOU SEE WHAT'S AROUND IT. YOU GOT PICKETT PLACE DOWN HERE, HAMPSTEAD, ALL AROUND IT. AND WHILE IT DOES HAVE A PRETTY NICE SHAPE DOWN HERE, IT IS VERY ODDLY SHAPED. AND SO IT DID PRESENT SOME PLANNING ISSUES WHEN YOU JUST APPLY THE UNDERLYING CODE. AND SO WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO WAS TO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS. N OUR SIDE TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME FLEXIBILITY IN OUR DESIGN WITH DIFFERENT LOT SIZES AND TO CREATE SOME FLEXIBILITY AND SOME INTEREST IN SITE PLANNING, RATHER THAN APPLYING MORE OF A HOMOGENOUS, HERE'S A SET OF RULES. YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THEM. SO WE THINK THE PLAN IS MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING FROM THE GENERAL. SO THAT'S FROM THE OUR SIDE. BUT THE BENEFIT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, I THINK, IS THAT WITH THE PUD YOU GET, YOU GET ALL THESE PUBLIC REVIEWS AND AND THAT INCLUDES A SECONDARY REVIEW OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOR A ZONING RECOMMENDATION. WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH MUCH MORE. THIS IS PRETTY DETAILED BUT A MUCH MORE DETAILED PLAN ENGINEERING WISE, ETC. BEFORE ANYTHING WOULD BE BUILT. AND SO WHAT THIS ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO IS MAKE COMMITMENTS IN THE ZONING TO THINGS LIKE TREE PRESERVATION ZONES AND OTHER THINGS THAT OTHERWISE ARE NOT REQUIRED BY SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME BENEFIT TO MAKING THESE COMMITMENTS. AND THEY GO OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED. SO. I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH I SENT A LETTER OUT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THEM. I THINK OTHERS HAD TO STOP IT SOMEWHERE, BUT OTHERS SHOWED UP. I HAD THAT AT MY OFFICE APPROXIMATELY 7 OR 8 WEEKS AGO, AND WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD OVERFLOW SHOWING THERE. I SEE A NUMBER OF FAMILIAR FACES HERE.

VERY, VERY GOOD MEETING, AND I'VE TRIED TO BE GIVEN WHERE WE ARE AS TRANSPARENT AS I COULD BE, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THE MEETING WAS GOING TO BE AND SENT THEM PROACTIVELY. THE PLANS THAT WERE FILED. BUT WHAT I TOLD HIM AT THAT MEETING, AND WE HAVEN'T CHANGED SINCE THEN, IS WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE AN UPSCALE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FEELS REALLY COUNTRY CLUB LIKE THESE ARE GOING TO BE CUSTOM AND SEMI-CUSTOM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH WITH A

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OBVIOUSLY, EACH OF THESE HOMES IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED ON THEIR OWN. AND AS IT WOULD HAPPEN IN LIKE THE COUNTRY CLUB COMMUNITY, THE STAFF WILL EVALUATE EACH PLAN AT, AT, AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND THOSE WON'T COME BACK TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY. BUT YOU COULD SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS INTERNAL CIRCULATION ROUTE THAT'S CIRCULAR. WE'VE GOT THIS MAIN ENTRANCE THAT WE'VE TRIED TO ALIGN WITH PICKETT PLACE HERE. AND THIS IS JUST MERELY AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT. WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO HAVE THESE BE SIDELOADED HOME OR SIDE FACING HOMES TO DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD. ONE OF THE REAL CHALLENGES WITH THIS SITE WAS THAT WE DON'T REALLY. THE CITY DOESN'T LIKE TO HAVE HOMES BACK INTO OPEN SPACE OR TO PUBLIC STREETS, SO THAT WAS THE REAL TRICK HERE. AND WE'VE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT IN EVERY RESPECT. AND THIS IS AT LEAST TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 THE FIRST TIME IN A ZONING TEXT WHERE I'VE SEEN A COMMITMENT TO NO BACKING TO OPEN SPACE OR STREETS. AND SO THAT'S BEEN THE RESULT. A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE THAT COMMITMENT IN THE ZONING HERE. SO WANTED TO WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THESE ARE CHARACTER IMAGES. FEELS VERY COUNTRY CLUB LIKE I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED WITH THE LAST SLIDE THAT ONE THING THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE IS HIRED ROBERT A M STERN ARCHITECTS, WHO'S DONE A LOT OF WORK IN TOWN HERE, BUT THEY'RE NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED FOR THEIR SITE PLANNING AND ARCHITECTURE. AND THESE ARE THE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED FROM FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT FEELS VERY GEORGIAN AND, AND VERY, VERY MUCH LIKE THE NEW ALBANY COUNTRY CLUB AND AN EXTENSION OF THAT. SO THESE ARE THE INSPIRATIONS THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO IN THE TEXT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE VARIOUS DESIGNS THAT FOLLOW BOTH THE TEXT, BUT ALSO THE DESIGN GUIDELINININININININININININININ THE CITY. WE HAVE ASKED FOR NO VARIANCES FROM ANY OF THOSE. AND IN FACT, I BELIEVE WILL WILL EVEN EXCEED THOSE STANDARDS IN MANY RESPECTS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO AS WE WERE LOOKING AT AT WHAT WAS GOING ON AROUND US AND HOW WE COULD BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US DO HAVE A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE UNIT AN ACRE IN NEW ALBANY, BUT GIVEN THE EXISTING ZONING HERE, WE WE STUCK IT TO 2.1 UNITS AN ACRE AND ARE ABLE TO DO THAT EVEN WITH A CUSTOM BUILD. SO EVEN PICK A PLACE TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS IN NEW ALBANY, HAS 2.7 UNITS PER ACRE. SO WE'RE WE'RE WELL BELOW ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN TERMS OF DENSITY. I DID A QUICK COMPARISON HERE OF OF LOT SIZES AND WIDTHS. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A LATER SLIDE SHOWING THE BIG VARIETY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS PUD IN TERMS OF LOT SIZES. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE VERY MUCH IN LINE OR EXCEEDING STANDARDS OF OUR NEIGHBORS. AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BOTTOM LINE HERE, I PUT THIS ON THE LEFT FOOTNOTES THERE, BUT I PUT THIS LITTLE NOTE HERE, BUT I WENT AND LOOKED ON ZILLOW TO SEE WHAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA ARE HAVING THEIR HOMES VALUED AT NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN MANY RESPECTS WELL ABOVE THAT BY BY A GOOD MULTIPLE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THESE WERE CURRENT LISTINGS I FOUND TODAY ON ZILLOW. THERE AREN'T MANY, NOT MANY HOUSES ON THE MARKET. BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE LISTED FOR 649 OVER HERE IN HAMPSTEAD HEATH, ONE IN PICKETT PLACE FOR 1.1. AND THEN WE'VE GOT RECENT CONTINGENT SALE HERE AT 760 ISH IN HAMPSTEAD. SO JUST KIND OF DEMONSTRATES, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE IN THE HIERARCHY HERE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ, BUT WHAT WE HAVE ARE THESE DIFFERENT PROTOTYPES. AND

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IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE, BUT IT'S FROM FROM THE ROAD. BUT THIS IS WHAT THE RETAINING WALL WOULD LOOK LIKE ON OUR SITE. IF YOU'RE IF YOU CAN PICTURE WORKING WITH LOOKING EASTWARD, I GUESS ON OUR SITE, THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TREES AND WE'RE COMMITTING TO A LOT OF TREE PRESERVATION ON THE PERIMETERS. AND THEN IN THIS AREA WITH THE PARKLAND. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE YOUR VIEW IF YOU WERE TO LOOK THROUGH HERE ON OBSTRUCTED, THAT'S PROBABLY 3 OR 400FT EVEN TO GET OVER TO HERE TO SEE THIS WALL.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, YOUR VIEW, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR VIEW WILL NOT EVEN REALLY BE IN THE WALL AT THAT POINT. WE ARE GOING TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PROVIDE PLANTINGS THAT WILL SHIELD ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE VISIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT VERY HIGH ABOVE GRADE. ANYWAY, THERE AND THEN WE WILL BE PROVIDING SOME SORT OF A, A BARRIER OR FENCE THAT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AS WELL. AND THAT WILL BE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FUNCTION AS WELL. AND THAT'S THE SORT OF DETAIL YOU TYPICALLY WORK OUT THEN. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK ONE OF OUR GENTLEMEN FROM ADVANCED CIVIL TO GET UP HERE AND MAYBE GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT BEFORE I WRAP UP. GOOD EVENING. TOM WARNER. I'M WITH ADVANCED CIVIL DESIGN AND ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE FIRM. I'M LOCATED AT 781 SCIENCE BOULEVARD, GAHANNA, 43230. I'VE GOT WITH ME TONIGHT CURTIS ECKELBERRY FROM OUR FIRM WHO REALLY DELVES INTO THE STORMWATER PRINCIPLES FOR A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS. AS AN OWNER, I LIKE TO HIRE PEOPLE, PEOPLE SMARTER THAN ME. SO CURTIS HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THOSE, AND HE'S HELPED PUT TOGETHER A NARRATIVE. I DID JOIN AARON AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. IT WAS HELD AT HIS OFFICE. I THINK WE TOOK GOOD NOTES TO LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS. SO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. GREAT. THAT'S GOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD NEIGHBORS BOTH FROM THE EAST SIDE AND WEST SIDE. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY FROM TAKING PLACE THERE AS WELL. BUT DRAINAGE WISE, A LOT OF THESE LOTS ON THE STATE'S EAST SIDE DRAIN ONTO THE PROPERTY. AND SO THERE

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WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT SYSTEM IN PLACE TO CAPTURE STORMWATER ON BACKYARDS OF OUR LOTS TO COLLECT THAT WATER, BOTH FROM OUR LOTS AND ANY WATER THAT'S COMING IN FROM OFF SITE ONTO THE NEW LOTS TO DIRECT THAT INTO THE STORMWATER BASIN. LIKEWISE, ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S SOME WATER THAT'S ON THE PRAIRIE HOUSE PROPERTY TODAY THAT'S ACTUALLY HEADED TOWARDS THEM. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MITIGATING THAT BY PUTTING IN A DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG THAT WEST EDGE THAT WILL ALSO ROUTE OVER TO THE SAME STORMWATER BASIN THAT WE'VE GOT POSITIONED ON THE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'VE LISTENED. WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS UP UP HERE. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, WHICH WAS WHICH WAS GOOD. WE YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE OPEN A DIALOG WITH THE, WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TREE SAVING WAS ALSO A PRINCIPAL. SO WE SEE THAT WALL. THE INTENT OF THAT WALL IS TOOOS BETWEEN THE WALL AND THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THEN WE HAVE OUR STORMWATER BASIN. SO AS, AS AARON MENTIONED, WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE LOOKING WEST, FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTIES, YOU DON'T SEE A 14 FOOT WALL THERE. THERE MIGHT BE A A CAP OF A WALL AT GRADE. AND THEN THERE'S WE, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL YET, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF FENCE OR, OR PROTECTION, FALL PROTECTION IN CASE THERE'S CHILDREN PLAYING AROUND THE WALL, BUT THEN IT DROPS DOWN. CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE WALL IS GOING TO BE ALONG THIS EDGE HERE IT'S GOT IS IT GOING TO BE HOLDING THE WATER IN OR IS IT IT'S HOLDING UP THE THE GROUND. SO IT'S SO YOU HAVE, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE COMING ALONG SOME OF THESE PROPERTY. ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, THERE'S A YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE CAP WALL AND THEN IT DROPS OFF. PROTECTED RAIL ON TOP OF THE WALL. AND THEN THE POND IS SITTING BELOW THAT THAT WALL. SO FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF. A PIECE OF THEIR, THEIR VISUAL WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD SEE INTO THE POND, THEY HAD TO ALMOST PEER OVER IT BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY ROBUST HEIGHT OF A WALL, BUT IT'S THE INTENT IS TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE TREES. THEY DON'T HAVE THE GREAT BACK UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THERE, THERE WAS PURPOSE BEHIND THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO LISTEN AND TRY TO SATISFY THE NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST SIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, AS AS AARON POINTED OUT, THERE MIGHT BE SOME VISUAL RECOGNITION OF THAT WALL FROM THE WEST SIDE ACROSS THE CREEK, BUT IT'S SO HEAVILY WOODED IN HERE. I GUESS IT'S TIME OF YEAR. MAYBE YOU SEE IT THROUGH THE WOODS WHEN THE WHEN THE LEAVES ARE DOWN. BUT MOST OF THE SEASON YOU PROBABLY WON'T EVEN NOTICE IT. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER IF THERE'S REALLY ANY SPECIFIC DESIGN QUESTIONS I MIGHT DEFAULT TO CURTIS. HE'S CREATED A SUMMARY WE'RE MEETING OR EXCEEDING CITY STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. EPA REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AS WELL. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE PROCEED TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS, TOM. WE'LL FINISH UP AND APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING. I KNOW YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. WE HAVE INTERESTED NEIGHBORS HERE. BUT YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, I THINK THE QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. WE'RE TRYING TO BE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE SOME PROBLEMS IN ADDITION TO GETTING THE DEVELOPMENT DONE HERE. AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY STAFF AND, AND THE CITY ENGINEER AND EP FARISISISISISIS.

THEY'VE REVIEWED THE ENGINEERING FOR THE STAGE WE'RE AT AND AGREE THAT THIS APPROACH IS APPROPRIATE. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW AS WE MOVE TOWARD A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SHOULD WE SHOULD WE GET THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, WE'LL HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR WALL AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE ESTHETICS AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, THE THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. SOME OF THOSE ARE LIKE FOR THE HOUSES PER ACRE. THIS IS 2.1. BUT THIS FEELS PRETTY TIGHT. LIKE HOW DO THEY GET FOR LIKE, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD EVEN DO FOR LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT OR IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH GREEN SPACE AROUND? I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT. YES. I MEAN, YOU SEE AROUND US AND YOU KNOW, I THINK MR. SHAW LIVES IN IN NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT YOU KNOW, WE

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I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS OWNED BY THIS HOA. I THINK I'M IN THE RIGHT SPOT THERE. THAT WOULD BE AN EASY PLACE TO TRY TO GET THE TRAIL PLACED. I THINK OVER HERE WE MIGHT BE GETTING INTO SOMEBODY'S SIDE YARD AND THEY MIGHT NOT WANT THAT, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WHAT OR WHEN WOULD THAT CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE NOW OR AS PART OF THE ZONING? OR CAN WE DO THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROBABLY SORT OF THING.

AND WE'D LOVE YOUR INPUT IF YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE US TO PURSUE, I ASSUME IT WOULD BE THE HOA IS IS PROBABLY EASIER TO GET IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY AT. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE FOR. AND YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT THAT IN MY SIDE YARD, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY IF THEY WANT TO EVEN VOLUNTEER. AARON, WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE MAKE THAT THE FIFTH CONDITION THAT YOU'LL CONSIDERATION OF TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND WILL BE DONE AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I DIDN'T SAY IT ALREADY. WE AGREED ALL THE CONDITIONS. INCLUDING THAT. AND I WOULD ALSO ADD TO THAT TRAIL CONNECTION. I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE THE MULCH EIGHT FOOT MULCH TRAIL. YEAH. IF WE'RE CONNECTING TO THE HAMPSTEAD HEATH TO THE WEST, THAT IS ALL PAVED THE TRAIL THROUGH THERE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN THAT ALONG THE STREAM, THAT IT ACTUALLY IS PAVED VERSUS MULCH. AND THAT IS INDEED ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OR, OR AT LEAST MAYBE IT'S AN ENGINEER'S CONSIDERATION. BUT WE AGREE TO THAT. OKAY.

ACTUALLY, WE, WE KIND OF SKIPPED TO YOU AND I DIDN'T GET THE ENGINEERING. SO WE'LL BACKTRACK ON THAT IN A MOMENT. BUT. AARON, IS IT YOUR RESPONSE TO MATT'S QUESTION THAT THAT'S THAT THAT HIS POINT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE CURRENT CONDITIONS? OR DO WE I BELIEVE BY AGREEING TO THE CONDITION THAT WE'LL USE ASPHALT RATHER THAN MULCH, THAT THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. AND IF WE NEED TO CLARIFY, WE WILL WE'LL PAVE IT. WE'LL PAVE IT SO THAT IT WILL CAN CONNECT TO ANOTHER PAVED TRAIL. AND EVEN IF IT DOESN'T, WE'LL HAVE IT. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PIECE, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT IT FROM A, YOU KNOW, THE, ALL THE NEIGHBORS THERE THAT BACK UP TO THAT RIVER. I'M WONDERING HOW THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT. SURE. OKAY. IF YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE PART OF THAT ASSOCIATION, IS THAT RIGHT? IF YOU COULD GET ME SOME CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THOSE FOLKS, WE CAN MAYBE EVEN HAVE YOU PART OF THAT MEETING TO START TALKING THROUGH THAT.

IN TERMS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMPARISISISISISISIS THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE IS 2 MILLION, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY 2 TO 3 TIMES OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THAT 2 MILLION? IS THAT ZILLOW OR THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OR SO THE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO ON AND GET CURRENT AUDITOR'S VALUES ON THE AUDITOR'S WEBSITE, WHICH I DIDN'T DO BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE OUTDATED. AND I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS OUT LOUD THAT THE AUDITOR UNDERVALUES PROPERTIES JUST TO KEEP TAXES. KIND OF FUNNY TO SAY. WE ALL THINK WE PAY TOO MUCH IN TAXES, BUT TO KEEP THEM REASONABLE, QUOTE UNQUOTE. SO I WENT TO ZILLOW AND LOOKED AT THAT. I DID FIND THOSE ACTUAL EXAMPLES OF LISTINGS AND THE RECENT SALE, WHICH WEREN'T A LOT. AND THE SOURCE OF WHY THIS IS GOING TO BE A MORE EXPENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THOSE WERE, IS BASICALLY, IT'S BASED ON THE TIME THEY WERE BUILT. YOU KNOW, NO CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF, AND EVEN CITY STANDARDS THEMSELVES HAVE HAVE OVER THE YEARS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,N STRICTER AND HARDER. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU START ADDING, YOU KNOW, COMMITMENTS TO BRICK AND THINGS THAT EVEN AREN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS PRESENT IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. IT REALLY ADDS, ADDS COST. I ASKED BECAUSE YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS HEAVILY DEPEND ON THIS NUMBER, DO WE GET INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS FOR THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS? FOR THE NUMBERS? YEAH, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO VALIDATE THOSE RATIOS. THAT WAS RECENTLY DONE. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LAST WAS THEIR MASTER FACILITY PLAN, BUT IT WAS MAYBE A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED TO BE LOWER THAN WHAT OUR ESTIMATE IS, WAS BELOW. THE 0.8 WAS WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PRODUCED. SO THEY ARE THEY ARE GOOD NUMBERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. LET ME JUMP IN. CAN WE. I SKIPPED OVER THE

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AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ONLY BEEN ABLE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY FIVE FOOT LESS THAN OUR COMMITMENT THERE FOR THAT REASON. OKAY. IS THE SETBACK ON THE WESTERN SIDE 30FT OR 40FT FOR THE REAR YARD? SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT'S IT'S 30FT. BUT THEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL SEWER EASEMENT, WE CAN'T BUILD IN THAT. SO IT'S EFFECTIVELY 40. SO WE'VE CALLED IT I THINK WE'VE CALLED IT 40 HAVEN'T WE KYLIE IN THE IT WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN WE DID OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF IT AND WE MADE THE EDITS IN THE TEXT. SO IT SHOULD IT, IT READS UNDERNEATH THAT ADDITIONAL SETBACK REGULATIONS AND IT WILL HAVE A 40FT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD INTO THAT SANITARY LINE.

SO WE WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE ALLOWED TO CROSSHAT. AND THEN US HAVE TO TELL THEM WHEN THE HOME COMES IN THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD THAT FAR BACK, ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. SO I SAW IN THE TEXT IT SAID 40FT ON THE WEST SIDE. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY 40FT FOR THE SETBACK. AND THEN THE THERE'S A DISTINCTION WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION ZONE DUE TO THE EXISTENCE OF THAT EASEMENT AND OUR INABILITY TO CONTROL WHAT GOES ON IN THERE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS. DOES THAT SOUND VICTORY LINE GO THE ENTIRE

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IT WAS IN MY SLIDE. YEAH. THERE WE GO. OKAY, THERE WE GO. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO WHAT'S GOING ON THOSE LOTS LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, WE WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO DO SOME THINGS HERE WHERE THIS WOULD BE A SIDE YARD ORIENTATION. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER CONDITIONS HERE WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN. BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO STRONGLY PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THERE'S WHAT WE PUT IN THE LEGAL DOCUMENT, THERE'S REALITY, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE ARE NEVER GOING TO READ THE LEGAL DOCUMENT PROBABLY. BUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE TO CLARIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, VARIANCES FOR THESE SORTS OF THINGS ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE ARE ARE HIGHLY DISCOURAGED. WE'D BE FINE WITH THAT. AND THAT CERTAINLY ILLUSTRATES AN INTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COME IN AND GET VARIANCES LATER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THINGS. BUT MAYBE A GOOD POINT THAT, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, IT DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY. BEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? JUST PUTTING IN THE TEXT THAT ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY LINE PROPERTIES THAT VARIANCES ARE STRONGLY DISCOURAGED? IS THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S JUST A RECOGNITION THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEY'RE HIGHLY DISCOURAGED BY EVERYBODY DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM REQUESTING THE VARIANCE. BUT I THINK YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT IT IN THERE TO SHOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S INTENT IS SITTING HERE TONIGHT WHEN THIS PLAN IS BEING CONSIDERED. OKAY, SO BECAUSE IF PAST HISTORY IS ANY INDICATION OF THE FUTURE, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET PULL VARIANCES. WE JUST KNOW WE WILL.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'LL CERTAINLY HELP PROVIDE SOME. SO PUT THAT IN THE TEXT THEN THAT'LL BE

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BUT IF IT WOULD HELP TO CLARIFY IT, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR, FAIR REQUEST. AND I THINK IF YOU PUT THE RIGHT PROTOTYPE THERE, THEN MAYBE THAT ALLEVIATES EVERYTHING. BUT I JUST HATE TO HAVE SOMEONE BUILD A DIFFERENT HOUSE AND HAVE NO ROOM TO HAVE ANY BACKYARD. YEAH. SO WHAT WAS THE AGREEMENT THERE? I THINK IN ANY, ANY DEED, INITIALLY CONVEYING THE PROPERTY TO A PARTY OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER, THERE WOULD BE A PROHIBITION AGAINST SEEKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THAT EASEMENT AREA OR BEYOND GOING TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE REAR. YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME THAT ONE. AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THEM AND THE DEED CONVEYING. THE DEED OF THE FIRST CONVEYANCE OF A LOT ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY LINE. TO A PARTY OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER. HANG ON. CAN I ALSO JUST CLARIFY, WOULD THAT BE APPLICABLE TO BOTH THE PROBABLY BOTH EAST AND THE WEST SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THEY BOTH ARE ENCUMBERED BY ANOTHER ONE'S SEWER, BUT THEY BOTH HAVE TWO PRESERVATION ZONES. THAT JUST HAS COME UP IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT BZA. THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COME UP IS PEOPLE WANTING TO ENCROACH ON THAT TREE PRESERVATION ZONE. OH YEAH, I COULD DO THAT WITH TREE PRESERVATION THEN, TOO. YES. I LOST LOST MYSELF. LET'S SEE, HERE'S WHERE I AM ON THAT. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. AARON. I GOT IT IN ANY DEED CONVEYING A LOT ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE TO ANY PERSON OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER. AND WHAT'S THE RESTRICTION GOING TO BE? A RESTRICTION SHALL BE INCLUDED.

PROHIBITING. ANY ANY IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN. THE TREE PRESERVATION ZONE OR ANY SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AREA. SO IT SHALL PROVIDE THAT ANY GIVE IT TO ME AGAIN, BECAUSE ANY IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. WITHIN A TREE PRESERVATION ZONE OR A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AREAALLD ONE MORE THING THAT SOUNDS GOOD FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE. ONE OTHER THING. THIS IS HYPER TECHNICAL. I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF WE COULD JUST GET ALL THAT RECORDED WITH THE PLAT. THAT WAY WE'RE NOT GOING BACK AND TRYING TO TRACE EACH PARCEL. SO HOW ABOUT WE ADD THIS AT THE END. THIS RESTRICTION SHALL RUN IN FAVOR OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY AND SHALL BE RECORDED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE PLAT. YOU'RE MAKING MY JOB REALLY HARD TONIGHT. YOU'RE A LAWYER. YOU'RE A LAWYER. I'M A LAWYER. I GOT PEOPLE TO DO THIS. THAT'S WHY I AM NOT TAKING A SHOT AT IT. SO. SO JUST SO WE HAVE THE CONDITION. CORRECT. SO IN ANY DEED CONVEYING A LOT ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. AND I WOULD ADD ALSO IN THE EASTERN, I WAS GOING TO SAY I WAS GOING TO GET THERE ONCE I GOT THIS DOWN. OKAY, WESTERN OR EASTERN.

PROPERTY LINE TO ANY PERSON OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? IT SHALL BE IT.

THIS LANGUAGE ISN'T VERY GOOD, BUT THE RESTRICTION OF THE DEED SHALL. I WAS GOING TO DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. THE DEED SHALL PROVIDE THAT. ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE WITHIN THE TREE. WELL, I SHOULD SAY ARE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THOSE ZONES ARE PROHIBITED, RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.

I. OKAY THEN THIS RESTRICTION SHALL BE RUN IN FAVOR OF THE CITY WITH THAT RIGHT SHALL BE ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY AND SHALL BE. NOW WE CAN'T REFERENCE THE DEED ANYMORE. BE

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I'M JUST GOING TO FUDGE IT HERE AND THERE, A SEPARATE FILING. CAN WE SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THE DETAILS, I THINK. THE CONDITION. I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE THE CONDITION IN THE APPROVAL. ASSUMING IT GETS APPROVED, THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH IT MORE AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I WANTED TO. THE THING ABOUT THIS IS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, WE NEED AS CONDITIONS, OR ELSE THEY DON'T MAKE IT AS PART OF ANY APPROVAL. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND MAKE SURE WE GET DOWN WHAT WE'RE WHAT A THE DEVELOPERS COMMITTING TO AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MATT. THAT WAS THAT WAS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A FEW, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY ONE MORE THING. JUST BACK ON THE GARAGE, JUST TOUCHING THE COMMENT. IF WE JUST MADE IT SIMPLE AND SAID MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET BETWEEN ALL STRUCTURES, THAT'S A SIMPLE WAY OF SAYING THAT. ABSOLUTELY.

YES. OKAY. CAN I SEE HOW THE OPEN SPACES ARE COUNTED? OPEN SPACE. OKAY, CURTIS, I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU ANSWER THAT. OPEN SPACES AND PARKLAND. WE'RE COUNTING. DO YOU MIND? YEAH.

CURTIS ECKLEBERRY, ADVANCED LEVEL DESIGN, 701 SCIENCE BOULEVARD, GAHANNA. SO OUR PARKLAND IS MAINLY ALONG THE STREAM HERE. AND THEN ANY OF THIS OTHER GREEN SPACE, NOT INCLUDING THE STORMWATER BASIN IS INCLUDED AS GREEN SPACE. SO THIS LITTLE CUL DE SAC BULB CENTER, THIS LITTLE PATCH HERE, HERE, HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE THAT'S NOT BEING COUNTED AS REAR YARD. SO COUNTING AS OPEN SPACE. OKAY, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, IT APPEARS SOME PORTION OF IT APPEARS ENCUMBERED WITH PATH EASEMENTS, SOUTHERN AND THE SANITARY EASEMENTS AND THE DUBLIN GRANVILLE SETBACK IS THAT OUR EASEMENTS PRESENT ON THE OPEN SPACE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, OPEN SPACE. THERE'S NO EASEMENTS ON THE. YEAH. WAY TO E EASEMENT. SO DO WE COUNT ENCUMBERED SPACE AS OPEN SPACE? YES WE DO. THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE COUNTED IS OUR STORMWATER BASINS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THAT EAST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD, RIGHT AWAY. IT SAYS THAT IT'S 21FT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. RIGHT AWAY. SHALL BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY FOR EAST DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD, FOR A DISTANCE OF 21FT FROM THE EXISTING EDGE OF THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE STREET. AND I WANT TO. I HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO SEE. SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THE ENGINEER'S REPORT MENTIONED WAS JUST MEASURING IT 50 FOOT FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WE'VE COMMITTED TO AS PART OF OUR CONDITION. SO WE WROTE IT THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO OVERRIDE THAT WITH WHAT THE ENGINEERING FOLKS HAVE ASKED US TO DO. OKAY. SO IN ESSENCE. HOW FAR? SO WHERE ARE WE LOOKING UP ON YOUR MAP RIGHT NOW FOR THE EASTERN SIDE? I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA WHERE THE PATH, THE WALKING PATH IS CURRENTLY TO. IS THAT STILL PART OF THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY, YES, IT WOULD BE. AND THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT UP, IT GETS BACK TO STORMWATER BASIN DISCUSSION IN WATER. THAT PART OF THAT, I GUESS, SOUTHWESTERN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE THE A COUPLE OF THE

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THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I JUST TO CORRECT MYSELF, I DO BELIEVE IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO I APOLOGIZE. BUT WHEN WE GOT, WHEN WE INSTALLED THAT, THAT LEISURE TRAIL ON DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD, IT WAS AN EASEMENT WAS PUT ON TOP OF IT INAT REQUIRES US TO MAINTAIN IT. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IT IS CURRENTLY IN. IT'S CURRENTLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AFTER THIS PROJECT, IT'LL BE DEDICATED TO.

RIGHT. OKAY. YEP. BUT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE DON'T NEED A FINAL. WE DON'T NEED A CONDITION ON THIS. CORRECT. THIS THIS IS PART CORRECT. IT WILL BE OKAY. YEP. IT'LL GET IT'LL GET RIGHT. THAT WAS MY COMMENT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAD THEIR PRAIRIE SIGN THERE FOREVER. THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY IT DIPS A LITTLE BIT AROUND THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY.

THEY'RE GOING TO FIX THAT TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS. I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS. HERE.

ARE YOU SURE? KEEP GOING IF YOU GOT MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THERE'S A SINGLE PUBLIC ENTRY POINT AT THE ROAD, A RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS. IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD FOR A 39 LOT POD? A SUBDIVISION THIS SIZE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 40 UNITS, THAT'S SUFFICIENT. AND OUR ENGINEERS DIDN'T FLAG ANY ISSUES WITH SITE CIRCULATION OR ACCESS UNDER THE MAIN ROAD. YEAH. AND THEN THE ADDITION OF THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS IS APPROPRIATE AS WELL. OKAY. ONE QUESTION LOT 22 TO 26. THEY ARE THEIR FRONT FACADE IS OPENING TO A 12FT LANE. IS THAT RIGHT? NO, IT IS OPENING TO A. SO THERE'S A DISTINCTION. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE REAR ACCESS THERE TO THE SORRY, THROUGH THIS ALLEYWAY. AND THEN THERE'S A ONE WAY STREET WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS AS WELL.

AND HOW WIDE IS THAT STREET THAT ONE IS. THE TWO RIGHT. IT'S 26FT, 12 FOOT 20. 12. RIGHT. 12 FOOT AND THEN 26 ON ROW B 26FT. OKAY. SO THAT'S HOW YOU CREATE FOR A FIRE TRUCK, RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S 26FT WIDE AS STANDARD WITH FOR NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY.

BECAUSE WE HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES. THAT'S RIGHT. PARKING ON ONE SIDE. IS THAT RIGHT? ONE SIDE STREETS, PARKING LOT. IT SAYS BOTH SIDES. DOES IT. IT SEEMS PRETTY TIGHT. IF YOU HAVE BOTH SIDES WITH PARKING, IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING TO GET THROUGH THAT. YEAH. EVEN IF THEY PERFECT. PERFECT PERFECTLY. WE'LL MEET WHENEVER THE SUBDIVISION STANDARD IS. I SOMETIMES WE WEREN'T TRYING TO INTENDING TO WRITE OVER A STANDARD. SO WHATEVER THE UNDERLYING STANDARD IS, WE'LL MEET. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I ADDED THE STANDARD WAS THAT'S. BUT THAT WILL BE CLARIFIED IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YES. AS LONG AS WE'RE STILL ON THAT. SO THAT LITTLE AREA IS GOING TO BE ONE WAY. THAT'S RIGHT. GOING. I GUESS THAT ONE THAT'S THAT'S NORTH. RIGHT. SO I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER PLACE IN NEW ALBANY WHERE YOU ACTUALLY TURN ACROSS TRAFFIC TO GO INTO ONE WAY STREET. MOST OF THEM ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU DRIVE UP THE ROAD. AND SO YOU KEEP GOING ONE WAY THE SAME WAY YOU'RE GOING, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CROSS IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S COMING THE OTHER WAY. IT SEEMS ODD TO ME. IT'S INTENDED TO GO FROM NORTH TO SOUTH ONE WAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE ONE WAY OR THE

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SO. IN OXFORD, I CAN'T REMEMBER. WERE YOU WERE YOU HANDLING THE OXFORD APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU KNOW THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE ENTRANCE TO OXFORD. WE HAVE THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEM THERE THAT WE'RE HAVING. MAYBE NOT A PROBLEM. ISSUE MAYBE IS MORE BENIGN WAY OF PUTTING IT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY. MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT WHEN I READ THE TEXT I DIDN'T SEE ANY LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT. PUT ANY REQUIREMENTS OF SOME SORT OF SCREENING ON THERE. AND WE WENT, I THINK WHEN WE APPROVED, I RECALL WE APPROVED EITHER A VARIANCE OR A NEW. ELEVATION FOR THOSE TWO HOMES THAT WERE BORING. ONE, YOU KNOW, BORING. 62 AND I KNOW WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY, I'M PRETTY SURE ABOUT SCREENING FROM THE ROADWAY SO THAT IT LOOKS NICE AS YOU PULL IN. I DIDN'T SEE ANY LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY MAKING COMMITMENT TO THAT TYPE OF SCREENING. YEAH. SO THERE IS A COMMITMENT AND I'M JUSTNG GOIG TO FIND IT IF IT'S IN THERE POINTING OUT SO WE CAN. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE WE HAVE AGREED WHERE THERE IS A SIDE FACING ELEVATION TO HAVE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS INCLUDED. NUMBER ONE, LIKE MAKING SURE THERE ARE PLENTY OF WINDOWS OR MAYBE SOMETHING THAT FEELS LIKE A FRONT ENTRANCE, EVEN THOUGH IT ISN'T, BUT IT'S DRESSED UP A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT'S ONE THING. MAYBE WE CAN CUT TO THE CHASE HERE. MAYBE IN THAT SAME IN THAT SAME VEIN, WE CAN SAY IN FOR FOR. FOR LOTS THAT HAVE WHAT, HOW DID YOU DESCRIBE IT? THAT HAVE THAT, THAT HAVE THEIR SIDE FACADES FACING DUBLIN.

GRANVILLE. ADDITIONAL SCREENING WILL BE DISCUSSED AT FINAL. I'LL ADD THIS. SO ON PAGE EIGHT, IT'S KIND OF BURIED IN THE NUMBER NINE ON THAT PAGE ABOVE THE. IF YOU GO MAYBE TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY DOWN, THERE'S A. THERE'S A SENTENCE THAT SAYS, AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, YOU WILL SEE THAT. YEAH, I SEE IT. OKAY. A LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW. OKAY. FOR THE AREA. AND I SAID IT WILL BE SIMILAR BASICALLY TO PICK A PLACE. OKAY. SO WE KIND OF HAVE IT MATCHING ON BOTH SIDES. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO PUTTING ADDING LANGUAGE INTO NINE THAT SAYS. I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW DO WE WRITE IT? SO AND JUST SAYING IT'S SIMILAR TO THE ENTRANCE TO OXFORD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SURE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT EXACTLY IT IS THERE, BUT I'M SURE IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE AT ALL. SO YEAH, WE'LL DO IT. ALL RIGHT. LET ME GET THAT CONDITION WRITTEN DOWN. WE'RE ALREADY UP TO NUMBER TEN.

IS IT 3C9? RIGHT. ROMAN NUMERAL 3C9C9. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

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THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WITH THE WINDOWS IT SAYS SIMULATED OR TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT CAN BE USED. I THOUGHT TYPICALLY WE HAD NOT SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS. IT WAS TYPICALLY REQUIRED TO BE DIVIDED LIKE THINGS I REALLY DON'T EVEN I JUST PARROTED THIS FROM A COUPLE OF OTHER COUNTRY CLUB COMMUNITIES. I PARROTED THE LANGUAGE FROM A COUPLE OF OTHERS. OKAY, SO I'LL ACCEPT YOUR REPRESENTATION THAT IT'S ANOTHER ONE. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I REALLY NOTICED THAT WHEN I SAW IT. YEAH, WE'VE DONE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SCREEN.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION RIGHT NOW? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE JUST YEAH. GO AHEAD. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS SINCE WE'RE GOING ABOUT TWO HOURS TO MATT'S QUESTION, AND THEN WHEN WE BEFORE WE TURN IT TO THE PUBLIC, TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

IF THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY MINE'S EASY. GO AHEAD. I WON'T EVEN TAKE THAT LONG. JUST IN LIEU OF MAKING SURE WE'RE CLEAR AND THINKING ABOUT THIS, I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT LEISURE TRAIL.

CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST CHANGE? THIS IS ON PAGE SIX, SECTION E LEISURE PASS, WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT A WITH A MINM WIDTH OF EIGHT FEET. CAN WE JUST MAKE THAT HARD SURFACE? AND THAT WAY IT'LL ALREADY BE SET FOR THE POTENTIAL CONNECTION OVER. WE WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND REDO THAT. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? WHERE IS THAT AGAIN? THIS IS PAGE SIX.

IT'S UNDER SECTION E LEISURE PATHS. GOT IT. AND IT'S REALLY THE ALMOST THE FIRST SENTENCE ON PAGE SEVEN. BUT IF WE COULD JUST CHANGE MULCH TO, I GUESS WOOD BLACKTOP OR HARD SURFACE OR I THINK IT'S TYPICALLY PROBABLY ASPHALT THE EASIEST. YEAH. SO THAT'S ROMAN NUMERAL THREE C JUST CHANGE OUT 3C3E AND WHAT DO YOU JUST CHANGE OUT MULCH TO ASPHALT. JUST THAT WAY WE'RE IN A BETTER SPOT IF IF IN FACT WE EVER DO CONNECT THAT WE'RE ALREADY DONE ON THAT ONE.

SO MUCH H H H H H H H H H H H H. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOT THAT. THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. YES.

AND THAT IS ALREADY A CONDITION. AND AND THE STAFF REPORT. SORRY. THAT IS ALREADY A CONDITION THAT WE HAVE IN THE STAFF REPORT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YES, YES. OKAY. GOOD. YEAH, YEAH. NO WORRIES. I HAVEN'T MADE IT THERE YET. YOU CAN JUST TAKE THAT JUST TO FOLLOW UP. SO THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS IF PERMISSION IS OBTAINED. OH YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. WE DON'T NEED THAT. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD. LET'S TAKE THAT ONE OUT. ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T WE. LET'S JUST. OH, WAS THERE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, IF PERMISSION IS OBTAINED, LIKE IF IT IS OBTAINED, IT'S NOT A COMPULSION THAT THE PERMISSION WILL BE SOUGHT. YEAH. I THINK WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU WERE GOING TO ASK US TO MAKE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO TRY TO CONTACT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN MAKING A CONNECTION, AND THAT'S ADDED AS A CONDITION, RIGHT? WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU WANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. WHERE IS THAT ONE? NUMBER FIVE. YEAH, THAT WAS I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IS IT? TELL YOU WHAT, WHY WE READY? ARE READY TO COME BACK TO ORDER? LET ME OPEN THIS UP RIGHT NOW BEFORE I GET. ALRIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 917. I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER AFTER A SHORT BREAK, AND I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC. IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO'S HERE TO EITHER ASK QUESTIONS OR COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION, NOW'S THE TIME. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE MATTHEW FRIEDMAN. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE FILL THOSE OUT. IF YOU DIDN'T, THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN STILL TALK, BUT WE'LL GO WITH THE SPEAKER CARDS FIRST. IF YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, COME ON UP. NAME AND ADDRESS. ASK A QUESTION, MAKE YOUR COMMENTS

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SORRY. I'M SORRY. THE FIRST SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS FOR MATTHEW FRIEDMAN. I YIELD MY TIME TO SOMEONE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS MATTHEW FRIEDMAN AND I LIVE AT 4848 BROOKVIEW CIRCLE IN NEW ALBANY, OHIO. AN ADDRESS WITHIN 200FT OF THE PROPOSED PRAIRIE HOUSE DEVELOPMENT. I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON ONE ISSUE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ALONG DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD. THIS IS ALREADY A HIGH VOLUME CORRIDOR WITH A HISTORY OF ACCIDENTS. THE PROPOSAL WOULD ADD 39 NEW HOMES, WHICH TRANSLATES TO HUNDREDS OF ADDITIONAL DAILY VEHICLE TRIPS AND DOZENS MORE TURNING MOVEMENTS DURING PEAK HOURS, AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEAK HOURS BEFORE SCHOOL. AFTER SCHOOL, THE 5 P.M. POST WORKDAY RUSH, AND ANY TIME AN EVENT OR SERVICE ENDS AT THE CHURCH OF THE RESURRECTION. WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST IS NOT JUST THE ADDED TRAFFIC, BUT WHERE IT IS BEING ADDED. THIS DEVELOPMENT INTRODUCES A NEW ACCESS POINT ONTO A FAST MOVING ARTERIAL ROAD, INCREASING LEFT TURN CONFLICTS AND CONGESTION IN AN AREA THAT ALREADY STRUGGLES WITH BOTH. ADDITIONALLY, THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS A ROUGHLY 53% INCREASE IN HOUSING ALONG A VERY SHORT QUARTER MILE STRETCH OF DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD. THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT INTENSIFICATION IN A CONCENTRATED AREA, AND IT WILL HAVE REAL IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC FLOW, SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS. I DID NOT SEE CLEAR EVIDENCE IN THE PROVIDED MATERIALS OF SPECIFIC TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES, SUCH AS SIGNALIZATION, TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS OR ACCESS RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THESE RISKS BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO REQUIRE A DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO ENSURE THAT MEANINGFUL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PLACE. GROWTH IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MATCHED WITH INFRASTRUCTCTCTCTCN ADDITION, MY PREPARED COMMENTS, I DID WANT TO JUST ADDRESS ONE THING FOR COUNCIL MEMBER SHULL WITH THE WALKING TRAIL. I THINK WE SHARE SOME ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING A WAY FOR A PAVED WALKING PATH TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. FROM THE PROPOSED SITE OVER INTO THE HAMPSTEAD HEATH, WE CALL IT THE BROOKVIEW CIRCLE NEIGHBORHOOD. I. I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING HOW THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. CHRIS. WHAT ABOUT TRAFFIC? IS. WOULD THERE BE A TRAFFIC STUDY AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR OR. I'M SORRY. OVER HERE. MY APOLOGIES. OR WHAT'S WHAT'S THE RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE TURN TURN LANE AND THAT SORT OF. SO WE SENT ALL OF THE MATERIALS OVER TO OUR ENGINEERS AT EPP. FERRIS AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER SAID THAT AFTER REVIEW, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY JUST DUE TO THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT IT HAS. CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN WHY THE INITIAL REVIEW OF THIS INDICATED THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WASN'T NECESSARY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON TRAFFIC? SORT OF IN RESPONSE TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION. YEAH, I CAN JUMP ON THAT TOO.

JEREMIAH. TYPICALLY WITH ANY SUBDIVISION UNDER 40 LOTS, A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS NOT OUR TRAFFIC STUDY ISN'T REQUIRED IN GENERAL, JUST BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS DOESN'T USUALLY WARRANT ANY OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT HAS BEEN TRUE FOR LIKE THE NEW ALBANY, THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE THAT'S LIKE THE NEW ALBANY COUNTRY CLUB, SECTION 30 SUBDIVISION THAT WAS APPROVED THAT ALSO HAD 40 LOTS AND DID NOT REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. OKAY.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS SITE IS, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES I'M IN HERE ASKING FOR A CHANGE FROM AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING WHERE NOT MUCH IS ALLOWED. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ZONED R2 FOR SO LONG AS IT HAS MADE IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE YEARS, IT HAD KNOWN THAT 39 LOTS WERE GOING TO BE COULD BE BUILT IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF UPON APPROVAL OF A PLAT. SO THIS ISN'T CHANGING THAT. SO AT LEAST THEORETICALLY, THE CITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING THOSE 39 LOTS INTO ACCOUNT FOR YEARS. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT SINCE THIS MANY OR MORE HOUSES COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT ON IT, ON THE EXISTING ZONING, IT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR.

MAYBE NOT THE ANSWER YOU WANTED, BUT BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. ALL RIGHT, SO TRAFFIC WAS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE WAS CONSIDERED. AND AND YOU HEARD THE ANSWER FROM THE ENGINEER AND FROM THE

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SO IT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL. YOU WANT TO STOP THERE AND SURE FIRE AWAY. WHO ANSWERED? GO AHEAD BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE WE'VE GOT THE EXPERTS RIGHT HERE THAT CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT. SO AS FAR AS THE RETENTION POND IN THE WALL, YES, WE'RE CUT DOWN 14 FOOT DOWN TO THE WATER SURFACE LEVEL, AND THEN IT'LL BE ABOUT 5 TO 6FT BELOW THAT TO HAVE A NORMAL POOL OF WATER. THAT DEPTH WILL ALLOW US TO RUN THE STORM SYSTEM TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND GET ALL THE DRAINAGE BACK ONTO THAT NORTH END. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT AREA THAT'S NOT REALLY AVAILABLE FOR BUILDING AS THE STORMWATER DETENTION AREA. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? WELL, I STILL THINK WATER RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH INSTEAD OF SOUTH TO NORTH IN THIS AREA. BUT I'M NOT A HYDROLOGICAL EXPERT, BUT I DON'T LIKE IN ANY WAY BECAUSE MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT. SO I'M STARING AT A RETENTION WALL, AND I DON'T THINK I REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT A RETENTION WALL, SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT BEING THE LOCATION OF THE RETENTION POND. I THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, NOT THE NORTH SIDE. AND OKAY, SO NEXT ONE. SO THE 41 OR 40 FOOT SETBACK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A 30 FOOT SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. ONE OF THE SITE PLANS THAT SHOWED THE HOUSES ON IT HAD THE HOUSES GOING RIGHT UP TO THE 30 FOOT SETBACK THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IN THE PROPOSAL, AND NOW IT'S A 40 FOOT SETBACK. SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE BUILDINGS WHEN THERE'S NOW AN ADDITIONAL TEN FOOT SETBACK. THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON THAT EASEMENT AREA OR WHAT? YOU KNOW HOW THE LOTS, THE BUILDABLE LOT SIZE GETS SMALLER, ESPECIALLY IN THE EIGHT, NINE, TEN, THE WESTERN SIDE. SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE LOT SIZES, BUILDABLE LOT SIZES. ERIN, CAN YOU SOMEONE ON YOUR TEAM TO RESPOND TO THAT? YEAH. I MEAN, ONE OF THE REASONS WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE WAS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE COULD FIT WITHIN THE BUILDABLE FOOT FOOTPRINT. AND, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE 3000 SQUARE FOOT, 30 AND THEY'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE BUILT RIGHT UP TO THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT LINE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ALL OF THESE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENTS, THE WAY THEY'RE WRITTEN, YOU CAN'T BUILD OVER THEM, NOR WOULD YOU WANT TO IF YOU'RE MAKING AN INVESTMENT OF $2 MILLION PLUS INTO A HOME JUST FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO BE TORN UP DUE TO A REPAIR BEING NEEDED. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WE HIRED RAMSEY AND WE'VE HIRED ACG WAS TO STUDY THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE COULD FIT A, A REASONABLY SIZED HOME ON THOSE LOTS, EVEN WITH THE, THE PARAMETERS WITHIN WHICH WE HAVE TO WORK. THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S KIND OF WELL, LOT NINE IN PARTICULAR IN THE,

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YOU KNOW, THE SMALLEST LOT HERE IS GOING TO BE LESS THAN A 10TH OF AN ACRE WITH THE ADDITIONAL SETBACK. AND SOME OF THE OTHER LOTS ARE 7000FT■!S, WHICH IS WE, GOING TO BE EVEN LESS THAN 7000FT■!S NOW WITH THE ADDITIONL TEN FOOT SETBACK. SO THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY TINY. LOTS. AND AND ALSO COMPARED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT, THE LOT SIZES, THERE ARE MORE LIKE A QUARTER ACRE LOT SIZES. AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10TH OR A LITTLE LESS THAN 0.28 OF AN ACRE. SO COMPARED TO NEIGHBORING LOTS OR A QUARTER ACRE LOTS. SO IT SEEMS VERY SMALL FOR THE SIZE HOUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT OR JUST, WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS I KIND OF COMPARED THIS TO OTHER EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU COULD BUILD QUALITY HOMES ON SMALLER SIZED LOTS.

AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN UNDERSTA, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET THERE. YEAH, YEAH. SO WHAT WE WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING LIKE SIZE LOTS, I GUESS NEAR LIKE SIZE LOTS, SO TO SPEAK. AND, AND SO WE'RE IN MANY RESPECTS CONSISTENT WITH OR EXCEEDING THE LOT SIZES THAT ARE OUR NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US. AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT GREEN SPACE AND THAT CREEK THERE. SO YOU'VE GOT QUITE A BIT OF BUFFER IN BETWEEN YOU JUST BY THE NATURAL FEATURES ON THE SITE. THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS ON ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FEW YEARS. WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS IS THIS PHENOMENON OF LARGER HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS. WE SAW IT AT ELY TO SOME EXTENT, OXFORD EBRINGTON AS WELL, ARE VERY LARGE HOMES ON RELATIVELY. WELL. THEY'RE NOT SMALL LOTS, BUT THERE. THERE ARE LOTS THAT HAVE VERY LITTLE BACKYARD AREA OR SIDE AREA. SO THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE BUILDINGS GOING THESE DAYS. THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT THAT MEANS IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S THE LOTS BEHIND YOU OR QUARTER ACRE LOTS. AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE QUARTER ACRE LOTS. JUST THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S NEXT DOOR. WHAT ELSE? OH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE ABOUT THE SETBACK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEWLY ENGAGED STRATEGIC PLAN SUGGESTS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A HOUSE BACKING UP ONTO A MAJOR ROAD, RIGHT? SO WE PICK A PLACE SOLVE THAT WAS THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE LOT SIZES SMALLER, CUT OFF THE BACK AND MADE THAT GREEN SPACE AND DIDN'T SELL THAT. SO THAT MAY BE ONE SOLUTION FOR THOSE LOTS THERE, THAT ORANGE SPACE. JUST DON'T SELL THAT. MAKE THAT DEDICATED GREEN SPACE SOLVES TWO KILLS, TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, BASICALLY. THEN YOU DON'T HAVE IT BUTTING UP RIGHT ONTO THE ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE. THEN MAYBE ONE SOLUTION TO WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH. I KNOW YOU HAD SOME LEGAL TERMINOLOGY YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT IN THERE, BUT THIS MAY BE A, AN EASIER SOLUTION. THAT WASN'T A QUESTION, JUST AN OBSERVATION.

YOU COULD ASK AARON IF HIS CLIENT WANTS TO DO THAT, BUT I SUSPECT HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT.

OKAY. WELL, THEN I GUESS IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, THEN IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE HOUSES BACKING UP ONTO PUBLIC ROADS. AND IF YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT, OH, THEY'RE SIDEWAYS, THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK FOR ME.

I GET IT. THERE'S SOME PRECEDENT THOUGH, WITH WITH THE OXFORD ENTRANCE THAT THAT THAT THERE'S ANOTHER SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE YOU'VE RAISED. AND THIS APPLICANT SEEMS TO BE WORKING TOWARD THAT. AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE WHY I SPENT SOME TIME GETTING THE GETTING THE APPLICANT TO COMMIT TO DOING SCREENING LIKE AT OXFORD. SO THAT, SO THE ENTRANCE LOOKS AS NICE AS IT, AS IT SHOULD. OKAY. POINT TAKEN THOUGH. OKAY. WHAT ELSE? SO THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN ALSO SUGGESTS THAT THE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S A ONE UNIT PER ACRE REQUIREMENT, WHICH WOULD MEAN THIS SHOULD HOLD 18 UNITS ON IT, NOT 38 OR 39. AND THAT'S. SO THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOT 38 OR 39

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SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING IT BASICALLY ANYTHING'S ON THE TABLE THEN IS WHAT YOU'RE. WELL, THAT REALLY REZONING IT RIGHT THERE, JUST CHANGING IT TO AN IPD. I MEAN, IT'S A SORT OF REZONING, BUT. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS? IN OUR CURRENT INTERPRETATION OF CODES, IS THERE ANY CRITERIA THAT AN R2 ZONING CAN BE DENIED? AND IN POD BASED ON DENSITY? IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION, BUT COULD YOU SAY YOUR QUESTION ONE MORE TIME. SO IS THERE ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE AN R-2 ZONING WOULD BE DENIED AN INFILL POD BASED ON DENSITY? SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE STAFF REPORT, THEY OUTLINED THE DIFFERENT FACTORS YOU COULD CONSIDER. AND GOING THROUGH THIS. SO I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS. BUT THERE'S NUMEROUS CONSIDERATIONS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BY A COMMISSION MEMBER AND MAKING A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YEAH. SO THE FIRST ONE IS ON PAGE ONE, WHICH IS 1111 .06. WHICH OUTLINES SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT NINE DIFFERENT FACTORS FOR CONSIDERATION. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT DENSITY IS NECESSARILY LISTED EXPLICIT, BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT ADJACENT LAND USE AND ADJACENT ZONING AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. SO THERE, THERE ARE FACTORS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER IN MAKING YOUR DECISION. I WOULD SAY TO THAT, THAT TO THE POINT ON ADJACENCIES, I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONSNSNSNSNSNSNSNSNSN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE, WELL, LESS INTENSE IN EVERYTHING AROUND US BY A GOOD DEAL. RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE LAST ON THE TABLE DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE GIVING UP SOMETHING. AND I THINK STILL IN THE CONTEXT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S HALF THE DENSITY OR LESS THAN HALF THE DENSITY OF A LOT OF THINGS AROUND IT. PICK AND PLACE BEING THE EXCEPTION. IT'S 2.7 WHERE A 2.1, BUT WE'RE STILL BELOW THAT. YEAH. NO, MY QUESTION WAS NOT JUST FOR THIS APPLICATION, BUT BROADER IN NEW ALBANY, BECAUSE IF EVERY R-2 ZONING CAN BE CHANGED TO INFILL POD, THEN ONE UNIT PER ACRE WILL BE VERY HARD TO ENFORCE IN NEW ALBANY, USUALLY. I'LL BREAK YOUR QUESTION DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND I HOPE THAT IT'S ANSWERED. IT'S REALLY IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED, BUT I THINK KYLIE OR AARON, THIS ZONING TEXT, THE BASE ZONING TEXT, THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT REFERENCES IS R2. CORRECT? SO IN THE ZONING TEXT, THE INPUT TEXT, IT REFERENCES R2 AS THE PERMITTED PERMISSIBLE DENSITY. AND THEN THE REASON WHY THEY'RE ASKING TO DO AN ID IS TO ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN R2. SO THAT DENSITY DOESN'T CHANGE. IT'S JUST THE LIKE THE LOT STANDARDS, HOW WIDE THEY ARE, HOW BIG THEY ARE. AND IT'S REALLY THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS REALLY MEANT TO KIND OF ADDRESS SOME UNIQUE SITE SITE CIRCUMSTANCES INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR A BUNCH OF VARIANCES. SO HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A LARGE SUGAR RUN CORRIDOR RUNS THROUGH THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS LOT. OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA HAVE BEEN PARCELED IN A WAY THAT INCLUDES THE FLOODPLAIN ON THEIR LOTS. THEIR LOTS ARE MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE ANOTHER R2 OR R3 OR R4 LOT BEING DEVELOPED. THIS THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THE BEST PRACTICE FOR PLANNING STANDPOINT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ENTIRE FLOODWAY, THE ENTIRE SUGAR RUN, IS PARCELED OFF, DEDICATED TO THE CITY IS PUBLIC PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, WHICH DOING THAT HAS A CASCADE EFFECT, RIGHT? IT MAKES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T INCLUDE THAT PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE INSIDE THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, LIKE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AROUND HERE. IT MAKES THOSE LOTS SMALLER, WHICH WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO KIND OF STRATEGIZE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE RIGHT ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS? WHEN WE WORK WITH THEM, IT'S, HEY, WE REALLY, IT REALLY NEEDS TO STAY AT R2. BUT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE UNIQUE SITE CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU NEED TO DO A ZONING

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SO CAN WE AGREE THAT THIS IS 38 UNITS, NOT 39 UNITS WITH THE DO THE MATH. IT'S GOING TO BE FACT CHECK MY MATH ON THIS 12.1 AND THEN IT'S 18.461 ACRES. I COME UP WITH 38.8. SO THE MOST COULD BE 3938 NOT 39. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD 8/10 OF A HOUSE, YOU DON'T ROUND UP ON HOUSES, YOU JUST KIND OF TRUNCATE. BUT ANYWAY, JUST, JUST A MATH ISSUE. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT IS I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH FIVE DEVELOPMENT LLC. WHO ARE THEY? WHAT EXPERIENCE DO THEY HAVE? THEY HAVE DONE WORK HERE IN NEW ALBANY BEFORE. HOW MANY HOMES, HOW MANY DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS HAVE THEY DONE? HOW EXPERIENCED ARE THEY? DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY CAN DELIVER THE $2 MILLION HOMES THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DELIVERING? AND ARE THEY GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR FOR THOSE THAT THAT LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, PRICING AND, AND FINISH TO GET THE $2 MILLION. SO I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH, ARE YOU GUYS FAMILIAR WITH FIVE DEVELOPMENT LLC? I LOOKED HIM UP. I COULDN'T FIND HIM AS A LLC IN THE STATE OF OHIO, SO I'M NOT SURE WHO THEY ARE. SOMEONE CAN HELP ME WITH IT. I'D APPRECIATE IT. MCINTYRE FIVE DEVELOPMENT. HE'S DONE CUSTOM HOME BUILDING THROUGHOUT CENTRAL OHIO. HE'S BEEN

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HE'S A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. HE'S BUILT CUSTOM HOMES. HE'S BUILT SOME CUSTOM HOMES IN HAWKSMOOR. WHAT'S YOUR COMMUNITY OUT IN JEROME TOWNSHIP? HE DID. WHICH ONE? GLACIER POINT. GLACIER POINT TOWNSHIP. I DON'T SEE THE RELEVANCE. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT'S A ZONING HEARING, I THINK STILL WE NEED AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, WHETHER THEY CAN ACTUALLY DELIVER ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY ARE THEY IS IT BRAND NEW LLC THAT HASN'T BEEN THAT'S IT'S NOT REGISTERED IN, IN THE STATE OF OHIO. SO IF WE'RE MAKING A DEAL TO REZONE FOR A COMPANY THAT'S NOT REGISTERED AND THEY'RE USING A NAME, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHO THEY ARE. WHO ARE WE DEALING WITH? YOU KNOW, WHO ARE WE MAKING A WHO ARE REZONING FOR? SO LOOK IT UP.

I'M NOT I'M NOT FINDING THE THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE. SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT RESEARCH AS WELL. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WAS THAT ALL THE. CHRISTINA. WAS THAT ALL THE CARDS? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IS ANYONE, ANYONE, ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T PUT A CARD IN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, MA'AM. I'LL BE QUICK. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. YES. AUDREY CHRISTIE, 7177177 TUMBLE BROOK DRIVE. I LIVE NEXT TO THIS GUY. SO LAYMAN'S TERMS. RIGHT? SO A LOT OF THIS MEETING TYPICALLY LIKE OVER MY HEAD. AND I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS WHEN I PURCHASED THE HOME, I LOVED LOOKING IN THE BACKYARD, NOT HAVING ANY OBSTRUCTION. I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ANYONE LIVING BEHIND US. ALSO, THE CREEK, WHEN IT FLOODS OR THE WATER GETS HIGH, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. AND THEN DO WE KNOW WHERE OUR PROPERTY STOPS? YOU KNOW IF MY PROPERTY EXTENDS OVER THE CREEK? OR HAS SOMEONE DONE SOME TYPE OF ANALYSIS FOR THAT? WHAT WAS YOUR. YEAH, WHAT WAS YOUR ADDRESS? ONE MORE TIME.

I CAN TELL YOU 7177 TUMBLE BROOK DRIVE. JUST GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE. I'LL LOOK IT UP. I THINK IT'S SECTION 111, LOT 7177 TUMBLE BROOK. YES. OKAY. SO IT'S KIND OF YOU CAN COME OVER AND LOOK AT IT IF YOU WANT, BUT IT'S KIND OF YOUR PROPERTY KIND OF GOES TO THE MIDDLE OF THE SUGAR RUN APPROXIMATELY. OKAY. AND FOR THE RETENTION WALL, ARE YOU ALL OPEN TO PLACEMENT OF THAT OR WILL YOU JUST DECIDE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT? JUST A QUESTION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE. HOWEVER, SHE'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH THAT. THAT WALL IS GENERALLY SHOWN ON THE PLANS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT IT WILL BE REFINED AS WE GO THROUGH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ENGINEERING ON THESE PLANS BECAUSE OF JUST THE PROCESS. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A TWO STEP PROCESS. SO THE DESIGN OF THAT WALL, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, ETC. WOULD TYPICALLY BE DECIDED THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ITS EXACT PLACEMENT TO THE INCH WOULD BE DETERMINED AT THAT POINT. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT WILL NOT LOOK VERY MUCH DIFFERENT, IF AT ALL, FROM WHAT'S BEING SHOWN ON THIS, WHAT WE CALL PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND JUST SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FINAL DEVELOPMENT, THEN THAT MEANS THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO COME BACK WITH A MORE SPECIFIC PLAN. THE ROADWAY WILL BE LAID OUT WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE. THE LOTS WILL BE LAID OUT THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE, AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER, BETTER, NOT A BETTER. THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD PICTURE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A MORE EXACT PICTURE OF WHERE THE HOMES ARE G G G G G G G G G G GD THAT SORT OF THING. AND IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR NEIGHBORS LIKE YOURSELVES TO COME IN AND COMMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE OPPORTUNITY AS A PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO THE PLAN.

AS FOR SCREENING HERE, THAT SORT OF THING, AND THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER THIS WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING HERE, AND THEY'RE GIVING US AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ALONG WITH TEXT. BUT WE'LL GET THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A LANDSCAPE PLAN. THEY'LL BE TELLING US WHERE THE TREES ARE GOING TO BE, WHAT KIND THEY'RE GOING TO BE, WHERE THE BUSHES ARE GOING TO BE, THAT SORT OF THING. AND

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SO BE SURE TO COME IN AND BE SURE TO ASK. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT, BUT YOU CAN AT LEAST ASK FOR IT. AND I THINK AS YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WHO IS NEXT? GO AHEAD MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. YES. HI, MY NAME IS MEREDITH BURNS. MY HUSBAND AND I OWN 45 PICKETT PLACE. SOME OF MY CONCERNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT I JUST LIKE TO REITERATE A FEW OF THEM. MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS TRAFFIC SAFETY ON DUBLIN. GRANVILLE.

IT'S ALREADY A DIFFICULT AND AT TIMES SOMETIMES UNSAFE TO DRIVE, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK HOURS, ADDING A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL HOMES INCREASES THE CONGESTION AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF ACCIDENTS. THIS ISN'T ABOUT INCONVENIENCE, IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN FOR FAMILIES WHO USE THAT ROAD EVERY DAY. I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. HOWEVER, THE 39 ADDITIONAL HOMES FACE 46 EXISTING, SO IN NO OTHER COMMUNITY IN NEW ALBANY DO YOU HAVE TWO LARGER COMMUNITIES SHARING ENTRANCE. SO MY CONCERN IS HAVE WE CONSIDERED WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR 85 HOMES? BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, A RIGHT INTO PICKETT PLACE OR A LEFT INTO THIS NEW COMMUNITY. THAT'S A HUGE ADDITIONALLY, HAVE WE CONSIDERED THE SCHOOL BUS PICKUP AND DROP OFF AND THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN AND 85 HOMES DURING PEAK HOURS? DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR WHERE THE SCHOOL BUS WILL PICK UP ON EITHER SIDE? SO THOSE ARE TWO QUESTIONS, I THINK A LITTLE BIT FORWARD THINKING, BUT DEFINITELY AND CLEARLY ON MY MIND. THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHEN I PURCHASED MY HOME, I HAD A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PARCEL DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM PICKETT PLACE WAS ZONED AS R2, WHICH IS LOW DENSITY. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND THE SHIFTING RULES, BUT FOR ME, CHANGING THAT TO ACCOMMODATE A MUCH DENSER DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHIFTS THE IMPACT ON EXISTING HOMEOWNERS WHO MADE A LONG TERM DECISION. BASED ON THE CURRENT PLAN AT R2. AND THEN LASTLY, THE LEVEL OF ADDED DENSITY WILL MATERIALLY IMPACT MY MORNING COMMUTE. IT ALREADY IS A BIT DELAYED IN THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF PICKETT PLACE AND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 39 COMMUNITIES OR HOMES RATHER ACROSS FROM US ALSO DEFINITELY IMPACTS THAT IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING. THAT'S ALL. RAISES AN INTERESTING QUESTION THAT.

AARON SAID EARLIER, THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY UNLESS THERE'S OVER 39, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE RIGHT ON IT. SO NO TRAFFIC STUDY NEEDED. BUT SHE MAKES AN INTERESTING POINT THAT IT'S 46 CROSS STREET AND 39 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. AND IF YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER, THE AVERAGE IS OVER 40 IS OVER 40. SO ANYWAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT POINT IS BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST 10:00. BUT, BUT STILL, IT'S AN INTERESTING ISSUE. AND I, I GET THAT NO TRAFFIC STUDY WAS NECESSARY, BUT SHE MAKES AN INTERESTING POINT THAT THAT WHEN THE TWO COMBINED, THEY START TO. SO CHRIS MENTIONED THAT RULE AND I WAS EVEN AWARE OF THAT. OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT SOAVE WORKED WITH THE. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU DO IS BECAUSE IT'S A. IT'S A BIT OF A TIME CONSUMING EFFORT TO UNDERTAKE A TRAFFIC STUDY. AS YOU. OUR ENGINEERS WORK WITH THE CITY'S ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE STUDIED. AND SO THAT NEGOTIATION, NEGOTIATION, I GUESS THAT CONVERSATION HAS HAPPENED ALREADY. AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO A FULL WHAT WE CALL A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT WE MAY NEED TO DO AN ACCESS STUDY PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THOSE ARE EXAMINING THINGS LIKE TURN LANES. AND IF THAT ACCESS STUDY HAS TO BE DONE IN

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AND AND IT'S JUST NOT. WELL, SOMEONE AGREED TO DO IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT ONE IN WHEREVER WE CAN, AS IT WAS CALLED, WARRANTED. AND SO THAT'S WHAT GOES INTO ALL OF THAT ANALYSIS. WE ARE CERTAIN WE ARE NOT GOING TO NEED A LIGHT HERE. AND I THINK THE CITY WOULD AGREE WITH THAT ALSO. BUT THE QUESTION MAY REMAIN ABOUT WHETHER TURN LANES ARE NEEDED. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINED AS WE MOVE FURTHER ALONG. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE HELP YOU. IT'D BE A GOOD REASON TO COME BACK. AND FINAL PLAN BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THAT POINT THAT WAS DONE. AND THEY MAY BE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING TURN LANES IN.

THAT'S GOING TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE STACKING STACKING PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT CURIOUS WHERE THE TURN LANES WOULD FIT ON SUCH A NARROW ROAD. BUT I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT 85 HOMES VERSUS JUST THE PROPOSED 39. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO ASK, IS THIS THE BEST ENTRANCE TO SHARE WITH DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM PICKETT PLACE? FROM A TRAFFIC AND SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED THAT COULD HELP NOT ONLY ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SAFETY? TYPICALLY, JOINING ROADWAYS OR ENTRANCES IS THE PREFERRED WAY.

IT'S THE SAFEST AND THE PREFERRED WAY TO DO IT. JUST JUST TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT OR AN ENGINEER, BUT THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE ON PLANNING COMMISSION. IS IS THE TRAFFIC ACCESS PLAN REQUIREMENT FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THEY'RE PRETTY COMMON FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT STAGE, BOTH LOOKING AT ANY TURN LANES THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED IF THEY AREN'T NEEDED. THAT ALSO LOOKS AT THE GEOMETRY OF THE INTERSECTIONS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER ACROSS THE STREET. IF YOU GUYS RECALL, WE WENT THROUGH THAT IN GREAT DETAIL WITH THE HAMLET PROJECT, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WERE OFFSET IN A WAY THAT IF TWO PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO TURN OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY WOULDN'T RUN INTO E E E E E E E E E E E E E A VERY FAIRLY TYPICAL THING WE WOULD LOOK AT. IF WE HAVE IN THE WORKS, WE COULD MAKE IT A CONDITION TO BRING THAT INFORMATION. IF THE APPLICANT'S OPEN TO THAT, JUST AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT, AT LEAST.

RE-EXPLORING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER? YEAH, I GUESS WE ALWAYS FOLLOW THE LEAD OF THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER. SO WHATEVER THEY REQUIRE, WE WILL CERTAINLY DO.

I THINK. I DO THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE. WE THINK THAT'S LESS THAN A FULL STUDY, JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT. AND SOMETHING ABOUT AN ACCESS STUDY, WHICH IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE MAY GET THE NUANCES, BUT IF WE CAN JUST GET ON THE RECORD WITH THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO. YEAH.

SO YEAH, THAT IS MY IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT BURDEN TO DO? IT IS. ON US. IT'S NOT GOING TO REVEAL.

DID YOU COMMIT TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY OR NOT? YES, YES, WHATEVER THE CITY ENGINEER WANTS US TO DO. THIS IS MY POINT. WHETHER IT'S I DON'T BE SOMETHING MORE. I WASN'T MAKING THAT DECISION FOR THEM. I WAS JUST SAYING, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ACTUAL STUDY. AND WE'RE FINDING THAT. YEAH, I'M GOING TO SAY, OR AT A MINIMUM, TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE PREPARED IN ADVANCE, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT IF A MORE DETAILED STUDY WOULD BE REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT AS WELL, BUT AT A MINIMUM, WE GET THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A STAFF QUESTION. SO ARE SOMETIMES TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE AFTER THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED? TYPICALLY YOU'D WANT IT TO BE DONE PRIOR TO ONE BEING APPROVED. THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE SHIFT ANY OF THOSE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT REQUIREMENTS CANDIDLY OFF TO THE DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR. SO WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW BEFORE YOU GUYS APPROVE SOMETHING. OKAY, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE NEEDED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE PLEASE. HELLO, MY NAME IS JASON FLAHERTY. I LIVE AT 4985 CARDIGAN PLACE, DIRECTLY BEHIND THE RETAINING WALL. AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE RECONSIDERED AS WE SEE IT TODAY.

BASED ON THE PLANS, THE PROPOSED STORMWATER BASIN SITS AT APPROXIMATELY ELEVATION OF NINE 64FT, WHILE THE GRADE BEHIND THE HOMES IS AT 979 TO 1980. AND SO THAT. SO AS A

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SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY. SO HOW DOES A 15 FOOT VERTICAL WALL DIRECTLY BEHIND EXISTING HOMES COMPLY WITH NEW ALBANY'S DESIGN GUIDELINES REQUIRING COMPATIBILITY AND NATURAL TRANSITIONS? AND ARE THERE ANY OF THESE THAT ■CURRENTLY EXIST IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? NOW THERE ARE WALLS THAT EXIST THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE 15FT TALL, I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE ARE WALLS AROUND STORMWATER BASINS, AND ON SOME RESIDENTIAL SITES, SUBDIVISIONS, ONE I CAN THINK OF IS IN THE COUNTRY CLUB AROUND. THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL IT IS, CANDIDLY. THERE'S A RETAINING WALL, SMALLER RETAINING WALL AT COURTYARDS IN NEW ALBANY ON 605, WE'LL HAVE A RETAINING WALL WITH THE HAMLET DEVELOPMENT. THE WOODHAVEN DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE, HAD A RETAINING WALL AS WELL. SO THEY'RE NOT UNCOMMON. BUT I THINK THAT WE DEFINITELY WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED FURTHER. WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT, THAT STUDYING THAT FURTHER AND HAVING THOSE COMMENTS ON IT USUALLY COMES IN THE FINAL PLAN. SURE. YEAH. BECAUSE A WALL LIKE THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE A LOT OF ENGINEERING BEHIND IT, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE PRESSURE AGAINST THE WALL, YOU HAVAVAVAVAVAVAVAV, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS. AND SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, I A WALL THAT IS BY THE TIME YOU GO IN THE WATER 20FT HIGH, LET'S SAY, I MEAN, THE ANCHORING AND THE STRUCTURING OF THAT. I MEAN, YOU COULD GO 30FT AND YOU HAVE A 30FT REAR YARD ZONE IN THERE.

I MEAN, IT COULD ENCROACH EVEN ON OUR PROPERTY LINE. BY THE TIME YOU ANCHOR THAT STRUCTURE IN PLACE, JUST WITH THE PRESSURE BEHIND IT. AND THEN ALSO SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS LONG TERM MAINTENANCE AND LIABILITY CONSIDERATIONS. ARE ANY OF THESE BEING DISCUSSED CONSIDERED AS THEY WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE HOA FOR STRUCTURAL WALL, LONG TERM MAINTENANCE AND PLANNING WITH THAT. THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, I THE THE POINT ONE OF THESE CHILDREN FALLS OFF THE WALL AND BREAKS HIS NECK, GOD FORBID, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? YEAH. WELL, I'LL TAKE ONE PART OF THAT QUESTION. I'LL LET BEN ANSWER THE THE LIABILITY QUESTION. BUT IN TERMS OF DESIGN, AGAIN, THEY'LL HAVE TO VET OUT WHAT SAFETY MEASURES NEED TO BE INSTALLED ON TOP OF THIS TO PREVENT THINGS LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE WALL THAT I FORGOT TO CALL OUT A MINUTE AGO WAS THE THE NEW RETAIL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON ON SMITHVILLE ROAD, THE

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THEY HAD TO INSTALL A GATE AT THE TOP OF THAT TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM FALLING OVER THAT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO VET OUT. IS THAT DOES THAT HAPPEN OVER? SIR, COME TO THE MICROPHONE. WE WON'T WE WON'T CATCH THAT. YES. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A WALL LIKE THAT. THERE'S ALSO A DESIGN FEATURE TO HAVING THAT WALL RIGHT WHERE THAT'S A ELEVATED PATIO, CORRECT? YEAH. USUALLY THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGAIN, THAT'S MORE OF A AS YOU AS YOU NOTED, WHEN WE, WHEN WE KNOW, WHEN WE MAKE NOTE OF THOSE THINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. WE DON'T WANT A WALL JUST TO BE THERE JUST FOR A WALL SAKE. IF IT'S GOING TO BE THERE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE AMENITIZED. IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT SAFETY FEATURES. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE WOULD LOOK AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT STAGE LIKE WE DID WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS. AND AS FOR LIABILITY, I'D SAY THE IF THE HOA IS MAINTAINING IT, IT'S GOING TO BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP IT UP TO UP TO WHATEVER STANDARD AND INSURANCE ON IT, SOMETHING TO BE ADEQUATELY INSURED TO HANDLE.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. BY THE WAY, THE HOA LAW IS CALLED THE PLANNED COMMUNITIES LAW REQUIRES INSURANCE FOR THE AND AND UNDER OHIO, LAW IS A VIOLATION IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THAT. SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE ZONING AND OBVIOUSLY THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE WE DETERMINE EXACTLY WHERE THE RETAINING POND IS GOING TO BE. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. AMONGST OTHER A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. AS YOU NOTED, THE LANDSCAPING, FINAL HOME PLACEMENT, ROUGH HOME PLACEMENT, FINAL GRADING, FINAL UTILITY LOCATIONS. BECAUSE ONE THING WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DIAGRAMS OF WHAT, WHAT THIS RETAINING WALL IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I FRANKLY DON'T HAVE A SENSE IN MY MIND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I HAVEN'T BEEN SERVED AT YOUR HOUSE LOOKING WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE. I HAVEN'T BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE AND THAT WAY. THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT GETS HASHED OUT AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, FRANKLY. YEAH. I'D SAY THAT'S NOT RELEVANT FOR TONIGHT. YEAH, IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S IT'S A FACTOR TO THINK ABOUT. AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RAISED TONIGHT OR SOMETHING I THINK THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, SELLING THIS, THIS PLAN AT THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I THINK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, BROUGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGE SERIOUS AND THEY'RE GOOD QUESTIONS AS WELL AND HAS DISCUSSION OF THE REDUCTION OF LOTS, A COUPLE LOTS OR WHATEVER, AND THE RELOCATION OF THAT POND THAT MAY NOT REQUIRE SOMETHING THIS DRAMATIC AS THAT. HAS THE STUDY BEEN KIND OF HAVE THERE BEEN OTHER OPTIONS, I GUESS? WELL, AGAIN, WHAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IS I KEEP SAYING THIS, IT'S THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE'RE ONLY HERE ABOUT THE ZONING. CAN THEY, YOU KNOW, IS THE TEXT IS THIS TEXT GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE? YEAH. BUT IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CAN WE HAVE THE EXHIBIT SHOWING ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES? YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOME CONVERSATION WITH NEIGHBORS WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT'S GOING TO BE. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, EVEN THERE HAS BEEN ALREADY, BUT BETWEEN THE ENGINEERS RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE BECAUSE WE ALL, ME INCLUDED, DON'T KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THAT PART OF IT. BUT I THINK THE ASPECTS THAT YOU'LL BE INTERESTED IN ARE THE SAFETY COMPONENTS AND THE ESTHETIC COMPONENTS. I THINK THOSE ARE CLEARLY WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SUN, AND WE NEED TO PROVE IT TO YOU IN THAT RESPECT. RIGHT. JUST A GENERAL QUESTION FOR HOW IT LOOKS. ARB IS GOING TO REVIEW IT AS WELL, RIGHT? NO, IT JUST BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. AND THE SAFETY, IS THAT JUST US AS WELL OR FOR THE SAFETY, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO REVIEW IT AS WELL. THE ENGINEERS WOULD REVIEW IT AND MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU GUYS. WE ALSO HAVE OUR CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. TAKE A LOOK AT FEATURES LIKE THE WALLS FROM A STATIC PERSPECTIVE, AND WE'LL INCLUDE THOSE COMMENTS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST ONE GENERAL QUESTION ON DENSITY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS PERTAINING TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR TONIGHT. SO IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED R TWO. AND THAT'S A DENSITY OF 2.1. AND I THINK EVEN MOVING TO AN IPOD, I THINK WE'RE STILL PROROROROROROO SO I THINK THEY'RE TECHNICALLY FIVE WITH EVEN IF IT WAS APPROVED THEY'RE FOLLOWING WHAT THE CURRENT DENSITY IS. BUT MY GENERAL QUESTION IS I P D WHAT WHAT IS THE DENSITY FOR IPOD FOR RESIDENTIAL. USUALLY IT'S THEY EITHER WRITE IT INTO THE TEXT OR THEY REFERENCE A BASE CODE AND THEY REFERENCING R TWO AND THEY'RE REFERENCING R TWO.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT. SO I GUESS WHEN CONSIDERING THIS APPLICATION, I THINK THEY'RE

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THE DENSITY IS CALCULATED AS THE GROSS DENSITY. IT'S THE GROSS. YEAH. SO JUST LIKE PICK A PLACE. MOST OF THAT IS NOT BUILDABLE, BUT THE, THE DENSITY OF THAT DIVISION, THAT SUBDIVISION WAS CALCULATED AT THE GROSS MACRO LEVEL. SO YOU DON'T USE THE RATIO ON THE BUILDABLE BUILDABLE ACREAGE, JUST ITS TOTALITY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

WELCOME. THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. PLEASE COME TO THE POINT. YEAH. AARON KALE, SORRY, 4979 CARDIGAN PLACE. NEIGHBORS. JASON, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WHO DO WE TALK TO THEN ABOUT A 15 FOOT WALL THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 50, 60FT LONG. AND WE'RE SAYING IT'S HEY, LET'S DO A SAFETY STUDY ON THAT. MAYBE WE'RE GOING GATE OVER IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE.

YOU'VE GOT FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES TO THINK ABOUT, BUT THEN YOU'VE ALSO GOT THIS WALKING PATH. SO WHO WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? BECAUSE THAT TO ME IS YOU GET THIS RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN TO JASON'S POINT, YOU CAN SHIP THIS, I GUESS SOUTH IS WHAT IT WOULD BE. SO TO THE LEFT ON THAT PICTURE, TAKE A COUPLE LOTS OUT. IT ADDRESSES DENSITY. IT'S A LOT SAFER. WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER PLACE. I KNOW YOU POINTED OUT SOME OTHER PLACES, BUT COMMERCIAL DOESN'T COUNT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BJ'S AND THAT RETAINING WALL THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'VE GOT A HUGE FENCE RIGHT THERE. NO ONE GOES BACK THERE. THIS IS A PUBLIC PLACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHO MAKES THAT DECISION IF THIS IS NOT A ZONING DECISION, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SKIMMED OVER AND BEING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WELL, LEGALLY IT GOT PUSHED THROUGH AND ALL THAT STUFF. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. SO THAT WAY I CAN MAKE SURE I'M AT THAT MEETING. WELL, THAT'S THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO YOU ON THEIR TEAM IS GOING TO REVIEW THAT FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE AND MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON WHAT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE DONE. BUT IT'S IT'S REALLY I MEAN, IT'S NOT A BRIDGE, BUT THE SAME EVALUATION IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WITH BRIDGES THAT ARE INSTALLED AT TAYLOR FARM OR ANY WATERWAYS ENGINEER, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, SOMEBODY WOULD NEED TO SIGN OFF ON THOSE DRAWINGS AND SAY THAT THEY'RE MEETING ALL APPLICABLE CODES. IT'S THIS GROUP HERE.

WELL, OUR ENGINEERING TEAM WILL REVIEW THAT AND CONCUR OR DISAGREE WITH THEIR FINDINGS.

OKAY. WE USUALLY WILL HAVE A COMMENT MEMO LIKE JEREMIAH WRIGHT OUT TONIGHT. WHAT CONCERNS ME IS WHEN I SAW SOME OF THE MATERIALS, IT SAID THINGS THAT ADHERED TO NEW ALBANY. I DON'T KNOW THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MY AREA, BUT ESTHETICS AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND SOME OF THESE THINGS. RETAINING A 15 FOOT RETAINING WALL DOES NOT ADHERE TO THOSE THINGS. SO IT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FIT SOMETHING HERE. THIS IS THE NATL LANDSCAPE. THIS IS FORCED TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET THE DENSITY THERE. AND SO I JUST IT JUST FEELS, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE FRUSTRATING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. LIKE WHEN THAT MEETING HAPPENS, IT'S NOT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, IT WASN'T MY DECISION. IT WASN'T MY DECISION. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHO IS GOING TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. SO WE CAN THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH THOSE PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE LIKE, WELL, IT'S A ZONING MEETING AND THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND THEN YOU GUYS DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. BUT IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THIS COULD BE LOOKED AT AND SO FORTH, THIS IS IMPORTANT. AND THERE'S NO PLACE IN NEW ALBANY THAT HAS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YEAH, I THINK IT'S BEEN ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. YOU KNOW, WE AGREE WITH YOU FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT. THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT SAFELY.

BUT WE AGREE WITH YOU FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT. THERE PROBABLY IS A WAY TO DO IT SAFELY. BUT BUT THOSE DETAILS ARE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION. I PROBABLY WOULD RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, JUST KIND OF MEMORIALIZING ALL OF OUR CONVERSATION THAT NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM OF WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT IS APPROVING THIS WALL. THE DESIGN OF THIS WALL, AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT IS, IS AGREEABLE TO THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION WILL BE HAD. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, IT ALREADY WILL, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYONE SOME PEACE OF MIND. RIGHT AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'LL SEE MORE DETAILED DIAGRAMS OF EXACTLY LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WHERE THE ROADWAY IS GOING TO BE, WHERE THE LOT LINES ARE GOING TO BE, WHERE THE. YOU KNOW, WHERE THE LEISURE TRAILS

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SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. I JUST YEAH, WE WERE TALKING A LOT EARLIER ABOUT ADDING LANGUAGE FOR ASPHALT OVER, YOU KNOW, MULCH FOR THE TRAILS. THIS IS MUCH BIGGER ISSUE. AND IT'S LIKE, THIS IS NOT BEING PENCILED IN ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S LIKE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KIND OF LET THIS KIND OF GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE. I JUST, I CAN'T LET THAT GO. SO YEAH, GO AHEAD. I KNOW THIS GUY. SO I TOLD HIM I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS. YEAH. SO, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DIFFICULT THINGS WHEN YOU DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY IS UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUBDIDIDIDIDG REGULATIONS. RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE WERE IN A ZONING STAGE RIGHT NOW, AND THE CIVIL ENGINEERING REALLY COMES INTO PLAY WHEN YOU GET TO THAT LATER DATE AND YOU'LL GET NOTICE OF THAT MEETING HERE, ADJACENT NEIGHBOR, JUST LIKE YOU DID WITH US. YOU KNOW, ME CALL ME. YEAH. THE, THE CIVIL ENGINEERS WILL BE A LOT OF WORK IN THE BACKGROUND BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THIS POINT, THERE'LL BE A RECOMMENDATION AND I WOULD IT WOULD BE RARE INDEED FOR ME TO WANT TO COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION OF CONCURRENCE FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEERS OF THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST I FEEL BAD. SO I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF WE DIDN'T COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION. AT LEAST THE CIVIL ENGINEERING FOLKS FOR IT. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DEBATE HERE ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE MORE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THAT REVIEW, AND THEY CAN REVIEW AS A PART OF THE CRITERIA. SO AT THAT TIME. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, ENGAGE NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN SAYS THAT EACH DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HAVE AT SPACE LOCATED NEAR THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I ASSUME YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF PUTTING THE OPEN SPACES AT THE PERIMETER WITH THE POD ZONING, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT DID YOU CONSIDER PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE CENTER SO THAT ALL THE HOMES, EVERYTHING LOOKS SO CONCENTRATED IN THAT AREA BECAUSE ALL THE OPEN SPACE IS AT THE PERIMETER. SO, SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE POCKET PARKS AND PLACES IN HERE, WHICH ARE PRETTY COMMON PLACE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. I DO THINK THIS OPEN SPACE HERE WANTS TO BE WHERE IT IS FOR VARIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL AND, YOU KNOW, REASONS AND SUCH, BUT I THINK YOUR CODE ALSO REQUIRES EVERYONE TO BE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S WITHIN 2400FT OR 1200 FEET OF A PARK. AND I THINK WE'RE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S 1200 FEET, 100 1200 FEET REQUIREMENT. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE WITHIN A 1200 FOOT LINEAR DISTANCE OF, OF A PARK FROM WHEREVER YOU LIVE. AND THIS MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT REQUIREMENT AGAIN? SO THAT REQUIREMENT IS ABOUT HOW FAR EACH HOME NEEDS TO BE AWAY FROM PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. IT'S 1200 LINEAR FEET FROM A LOT. OKAY. AND WHAT AARON IS SAYING IS THAT THEY'RE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT FOR ALL THE LOTS. AND I THINK AND JUST TO REITERATE WHAT AARON SAID. SO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, THERE ARE OPEN SPACES SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S JUST THE LARGEST ONE IS AT THE REAR AROUND SUGAR RUN. AND YOU DON'T COUNT THAT AS CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE THE OPEN SPACE SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. SO, CHRIS, YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT A SPECIAL CONDITION. MAKE SURE YOU GO RIGHT NEXT TO THE SORRY, YOU HAD MENTIONED A SPECIAL CONDITION, SPECIFICALLY MENTIONING THE WALL ANDHINGS. AT THERE'S MULTIPLE LAYERS, BUT I'M A PARENT, SO I GOTTA PROTECT MY KIDS AND ALL OF THAT. CAN WE CAN WE HAVE THAT LIKE WRITTEN DOWN OR I GUESS ACKNOWLEDGED? I DIDN'T SEE ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THE TEXT. WAS THERE ABOUT THE WALL, ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD PUT IN THE TEXT THAT WOULD RELATE TO THE RETAINING WALLS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S ON THE TEXT, I THINK JUST INCLUDING IT IN

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WHY DON'T WE PUT THAT UP TO 12. RIGHT. 12 I THINK SO. THAT'S WHY I GOT 12. WHY DON'T WE SAY LOCATION? WHAT'S WHAT'S A BETTER WORD THAN MAKE UP LOCATION AND DESIGN DESIGN.

VERY GOOD. AND STRUCTURE. OF RETAINING WALL. IF. ONE IS PRESENTED. TO BE. DETERMINED.

AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY WITH THAT. AND THE REASON I SAID IF ONE IS PRESENTED, IT'S BECAUSE I CAN SAY THIS. THE YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN HERE ALL NIGHT AND IS LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS OF THE OF THE PUBLIC. SO THEY MAY ULTIMATELY GO BACK AND DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.E YOU PLANL MEETINGS? WILL YOU BE PLANNING ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC LIKE THE ONE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AS YOU START MOVING TOWARD FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ASSUMING AGAIN, ASSUMING IT'S PASSED TONIGHT AND AND COUNCIL PASSES APPROVES. BUT CERTAINLY WHEN WE GET TO THE LEVEL OF DESIGN WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MEET WITH ME, I'LL DO IT. IF YOU WANT ME TO CALL A MEETING AGAIN, I'LL CALL THE MEETING AGAIN. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE CAN TALK SPECIFICS SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS IS EDUCATED OR HAS INFORMATION, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, BEFORE WE COME IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU DO THAT AND EVERYBODY WILL GET IN. THE SAME GROUP WILL GET ANOTHER LETTER FROM THE CITY ADVISING YOU OF THE OF THE POTENTIAL. THEY CALL IT A ZONING CHANGE, BUT IT'S A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEETING LIKE THE ONE WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT. SO EVERYBODY, I PRESUME EVERYONE WHO'S HERE GOT A LETTER OR FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, YOU'LL GET ANOTHER LETTER IN ADVANCE OF THE FINAL PLAN MEETING. SO. GO AHEAD. I ACTUALLY HAVE A ZONING QUESTION.

SO IF THE DENSITY ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE FROM FROM AN R2 TO IPOD, WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF REZONING TO AN IPOD? WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THERE'S AN R2 AND AN IPOD. AND WHY MAKE THAT CHANGE IF IF THE DENSITY DOESN'T CHANGE? CHRIS MENTIONED IT EARLIER. IT HAS TO DO WITH GETTING SOME FLEX. IF IT CUTS BOTH WAYS, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF CHRIS CAN SAY IT BETTER THAN I CAN. SO YEAH, SO WHEN SOMETHING IS ZONED R2 AND OUR CODE, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ALSO APPLY. LIKE THE LOT HAS EVERY LOT IN R2 HAS TO BE, I'M MAKING THIS UP 50FT WIDE. WHEN YOU DO AN IPD, YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE SAME R2 DENSITY, BUT WE WANT TO BUILD IN SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH LIKE, NOT EVERY LOT NEEDS TO HAVE 50FT OF FRONTAGE. SO WE CAN HAVE 30FT OF FRONTAGE AND SOME WILL HAVE 100FT OF FRONTAGE. SO INSTEAD THEY DO IT THAT WAY. INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR A BUNCH OF VARIANCES, THEY COULD COME IN AND ASK FOR A BUNCH OF VARIANCES. BUT WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION MORE HOLISTICALLY AND DESIGN IT THE RIGHT WAY, TOP TO BOTTOM, VERSUS JUST COMING IN AND ASKING FOR INDIVIDUAL ADVANTAGES FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT. AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT GIVES THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOME TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE TO HELP TWEAK WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO ADDRESS CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC, CONCERNS OF THE CITY AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO IT'S KIND OF A TWO WAY STREET WHEN YOU GO IPD. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO PRESENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT ON THIS APPLICATION? COME ON. I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING LATE. MY NAME IS ED SPENGEMANN MET 4884 BROOKVIEW CIRCLE. IF WHOEVER'S CONTROLLING THE POWERPOINT. IF YOU HAVE THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS I'M ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND A QUICK STATEMENT.

STATEMENT IS, AS AN OUTSIDER COMING IN, I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'LL BE GOING ON OUR FIFTH YEAR AND I'M ABSOLUTELY BLOWN AWAY. WE MOVED HERE FROM KENTUCKY. I'M BLOWN AWAY BY THIS COMMUNITY. AND THE PLANNING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, IT FAR EXCEEDS OUR EXPECTATIONS. EVERY SINGLE NEW ADDITION TO THIS COMMUNITY HAS KNOCKED OUR SOCKS OFF. BUT THE ONE THING I HAVE NOTICED IN THESE PAST FOUR YEARS IS THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FLOW. AND

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SO THERE IS A 20 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION ZONE ALONG THAT 20 FOOT FROM THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE WILL BE A TREE PRESERVATION ZONE, RIGHT? ANDNDT TOTAL SETBACK FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE FROM WHERE A BUILDING COULD BE PLACED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THE REASON FOR THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN A TREE PRESERVATION ZONE AND A SETBACK IS WITHIN THAT SETBACK, WE ALSO HAVE THAT SANITARY SEWER LINE AND THAT EASEMENT. AND WITHIN THAT, THE CITY MAY HAVE TO COME IN SOMEDAY AND REMOVE THAT LINE OR REPAIR IT. THAT WOULD NECESSITATE TAKING OUT THE TREES. SO WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT COULD BE A COMMITMENT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THEM DOWN, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT.

AND THEY DO HAVE THAT RIGHT UNDER THE EXISTING EASEMENT. SO 20 FOOT OF PROTECTED TREES, I THINK FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE EFFECTIVELY 40. BUT JUST BEING AWARE OF THAT, THE CITY COULD COME IN THERE SOMEDAY AND TAKE OUT THE SANITARY LINE AND REPLACE IT. AND THAT WOULD GET RID OF SOME OF THOSE TREES. WOULD THAT BE FURTHER AWAY THAN BEING CLOSE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I WOULD I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT AS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FOR FUTURE PLANNING, WE'VE GOT ON OUR PLOT PLAN A 30 FOOT DRAIN EASEMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A STORM DRAIN RUNNING ON OUR SIDE OF THE TREE LINE. AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER STORM DRAIN RUNNING PARALLEL ON THE BACKSIDE. BUT IF I UNDERSTAND DRAIN EASEMENTS FROM MY WORK, YOU CAN'T NORMALLY PUT THINGS INTO THE EASEMENTS. SO AS I SIT HERE AND I LOOK BACK 20FT, I KNOW THAT I'LL SEE HOUSES FOR SURE REGARDLESS OF TREES, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE

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I WANTED TO JUST REITERATE THAT SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO DEVELOP AND SELL LOTS, THESE TREES ARE JUST THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HELP THEM SELL THOSE LOTS. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE USED A DIFFERENT TERM THAN SETBACK IN THOSE INSTANCES AND SAID TREE PRESERVATION ZONE AND DEFINED WHAT IT MEANS TO PRESERVE THE TREE SO THAT 20 FOOT THERE IS GOING TO BE PROTECTED FOREVER. IT WILL BE ON A FLAT THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING THAT'S BEING APPROVED, WILL BE TWO PLACES WHERE IT IS SET FORTH AND IS ENFORCEABLE. THE TREE CANOPY, A SINGLE TREE AND ONE TREE IS PROTECTED. WELL, IT'S WHATEVER TREES ON THE GROUND ARE LOCATED IN THAT ZONE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO IT LOOKS PRETTY, PRETTY DENSE. BUT I SUPPOSE THAT'S TRUE THOUGH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? IT IS LATE, BUT THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. SO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING THEY WANANANANANANANANANANANANA, PLEASE COME TO THE MIC. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS? YEAH. AS STATED BY THAT, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS ON THE ARTERIAL ROAD THERE. DO WE HAVE DATA ON THAT OR CAN WE PULL DATA ON THAT? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME, I APOLOGIZE. SO ON. YEAH. ACCIDENTS. CAN WE PULL DATA ON THAT? YES WE CAN. WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH CHIEF JONES TOMORROW AND PULL THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. FOR SURE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE COMMISSION. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE THE ROLL WHEN YOU'RE READY, MR.. LARSEN. YES, MISS BRIGGS? YES. YOU GUYS HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. ALL RIGHT, SINCE THERE'S SEVERAL. CONDITIONS ADDED ON TO THE EXISTING ONES. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. Z C 15 2026. BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF REPORT, ALONG WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, ALONG WITH SEVERAL ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. CONDITION FIVE THAT CONSIDERATION OF TRAIL CONNECTIONS BE DONE AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. HAVE THAT ONE. CONDITION SIX EXCUSE ME.

SETBACK ON WESTERN BOUNDARY LINE TO BE 40FT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT. THE TEXT. IS THAT CLEAR? YEAH, THE EASTERN AND WESTERN OR JUST WESTERN. IT'S JUST WESTERN. THANK YOU.

CONDITION SEVEN MINIMUM FIVE FEET BETWEEN GARAGES. AND IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS WITH THESE OR WE DON'T HAVE THEM. RIGHT. PLEASE CHIME IN. I THINK WE SAID BETWEEN ALL STRUCTURES, BUT. ACCEPT THAT CHANGE ALL STRUCTURES. CONDITION EIGHT VARIANCES FOR POOLS AND SPAS ARE STRONGLY DISCOURAGED. CONDITION. SORRY, DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAST. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. OKAY. AGAIN THAT WAS VARIANCES FOR POOLS AND SPAS ARE STRONGLY DISCOURAGED.

THANK YOU. READY FOR READY FOR NINE. YEP. ALRIGHT. BEAR WITH ME ON THIS ONE. ANY DEED CONVEYING A LOT ALONG THE WESTERN OR EASTERN PROPERTY LINE TO ANY PERSON OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER. I'M SORRY, I'M KIND OF FAST ON THAT ONE. THAT'S OKAY. AGAIN, IN ANY DEED CONVEYING A LOT ALONG THE WESTERN OR EASTERN PROPERTY LINE TO ANY PERSON OTHER THAN A DEVELOPER. IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN TREE PRESERVATION ZONE OR. I CAN'T READ MY WRITING. OVER.

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CONDITION TEN, THE TEXT OF SECTION ROMAN NUMERAL THREE, CAPITAL C NINE. LANDSCAPING FOR SIDE FACING LOTS. WHICH ARE. ONE AND 28. RIGHT. WILL BE DESIGNED SIMILAR TO THE ENTRANCE AT THE OXFORD SUBDIVISION IN TERMS OF SCREENING AND OTHER FACTORS.

GOT THAT ONE. WHAT WAS THAT ROMAN NUMERAL TEXT OF WHAT? ROMAN NUMERALS THREE. ROMAN NUMERAL THREE. CAPITAL C NINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. CONDITION 11 TRAFFIC ACCESS STUDY WILL BE PREPARED PRIOR. AT A MINIMUM, A TRAFFIC ACCESS STUDY WILL BE PREPARED PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE INTENT IS NOT TO PRECLUDE A MORE THOROUGH TRAFFIC STUDY. IF IF ENGINEERING FINDS IT NECESSARY. IS THAT GOOD? CHRISTINA. AND THEN CONDITION 12. THE LOCATION, DESIGN AND STRUCTURE OF OF ANY RETAINING WALL, IF ONE IS PRESENTED TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT VALUES, IF ONE IS PRESENTED, WILL BE DETERMINED AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE CONDITIONS I HAD COVERED UP. I COVERED EVERYTHING. COULD YOU TELL ME SIX NUMBER SIX AGAIN? WHICH ONE? NUMBER SIX. SETBACK ON THE WESTERN. PROPERTY LINE TO BE 40FT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE TEXT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE THE ROLL WHEN YOU'RE READY. YES. MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. LARSEN. YES, DOCTOR. SEGAL. YES, YES.

MISS BRIGGS. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES FOR ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AS IMPOSED BY THE COMMISSION. I DON'T THINK YOU DON'T NEED TO REPEAT THEM. WE TRUST YOU.

ALRIGHT. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO CAME TONIGHT AND STAYED UNTIL 1035. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

ASSUMING COUNCIL APPROVES THIS. ALRIGHT, THAT TAKES US TO OUR NEXT SECTION OF THE MEETING.

OTHER BUSINESS. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? THERE'S NONE ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S TOO BAD THAT

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