[I. Call to order] [00:00:14] ALBANY ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD FOR TODAY, MONDAY, JUNE 8TH. COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. HENSON HERE. MR. ITEM. YES, MR. BROWN, MISS MOORE, MR. STROLLER HERE. MR. DAVIS HERE. MR. MALLET, COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK HERE. THERE ARE FOUR VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT. WE [III. Action on minutes: May 11, 2026] HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK, IS THERE ANY ACTION ON THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 11TH, 2026 MEETING? I HAVE NO COMMENTS. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 11TH, 2026, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING. I'LL SECOND MR. STRASSLER. YES. MR. HENSON. YES. MR. DAVEY. YES. MR. ITEM. YES. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION [IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda] PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE ONE CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE AGENDA. FDP322026. ADAM IS AN APPLICANT IN THAT MATTER, AND SO HE'LL NEED TO RECUSE FROM CONSIDERATION. SO WE'LL LOSE A QUORUM AT THAT TIME. SO WE CAN EITHER REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA OR JUST TURN IT INTO IT WILL BE UNFINISHED BUSINESS AND CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE JUST CAN'T VOTE ON IT IN ANY WAY. COMMITTEE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING? YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT. NO, IT SN FOR PURPOSES OF THE MINUTES. YOU CAN EITHER HAVE YOU CAN EITHER CALL IT REMOVED AND I'LL ADD IT TO THE NEXT ONE UNDER CASES. OKAY. I'LL ADD A NEW CATEGORY OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS AND IT'LL GO FIRST. OKAY. I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ADMINISTER THE OATH TO ANYONE WHO PLANS TO ADDRESS THIS BOARD. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. ARE [VI. Cases] THERE ANY VISITORS HERE TONIGHT FOR ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO FIRST ASK TO REMOVE FP322026 FROM TONIGHT'S CASES. SECOND. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO A OR B 36 2026 AT 69 AND FIVE CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. IT'S A NEW BUILD CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WAIVERS. DO WE HAVE STAFF REPORT? YES WE DO. THIS IS FOR THE USE OF HARDY BOARD AND STONE AS EXTERIOR MATERIALS ON A NEW HOME, WITH WAIVERS TO ALLOW THE MIXING OF EXTERIOR STYLES AND TO ALLOW A GARAGE THAT IS TALLER THAN LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE MAIN PORTION OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS OUR SITE LOCATED RIGHT HERE ALONG CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE SUGAR RUNS RIGHT HERE, AND IT GOES GENERALLY IN THIS KIND OF DIRECTION WITH THE FLOODPLAIN RIGHT THERE. THIS IS IN THE VICINITY OF OLDER, MORE RURAL AND NONCONFORMING HOUSING STOCK ALONG CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. THERE ARE THREE MAIN CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS APPLICATION. FIRST, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ITSELF. THE REQUIRE THAT THE USE OF MATERIALS OTHER THAN WOOD OR BRICK REQUIRES REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE ARB. THEN WE HAVE A WAIVER FOR THE MIXING OF EXTERIOR STYLES. SO GENERALLY THESE FOUR FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY AND SIMILAR CONSIDERATIONS. AND THEN A ANOTHER WAIVER. THIS ONE IS FOR THE GARAGE. IT IS TO HAVE A GARAGE THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY MINIMIZING ITS VISUAL IMPACT AND GREATER IN HEIGHT THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF PEAK AT THE MAIN PORTION OF THE BUILDING. SO FIRST IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THIS IS A VERY GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE THE MATERIALS WILL BE AND WHAT IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE. THE MAIN MATERIALS ARE HARDIE BOARD AND BATTEN AND ACCESSIBLE BEIGE, WHICH ARE GENERALLY AROUND HERE. HARDIE PANELING IN URBANE BRONZE, WHICH ARE GENERALLY ARE HERE. AND THEN QUARTZ STONE VENEER, WHICH IS GENERALLY ALL OVER HERE. THE THE DTAS DO STATE THAT HARDIE CAN BE APPROPRIATE WHEN USED IN A SIMILAR MANNER TO HOW HISTORICAL MATERIALS ARE USED, AND HARDIE HAS BEEN USED IN MANY PLACES IN THE CITY, SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. THE DGRS ALSO STATE THAT MANY STONE EXAMPLES CAN BE FOUND THROUGHOUT HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN ARCHITECTURAL PRECEDENTS, AND I'M ALSO SHOWING THIS ISN'T PART OF THE CONSIDERATION, BUT ALSO SHOWING THE ROOFING STYLES AS WELL. SO FOR THE FIRST WAIVER, AGAIN, THE MIXING OF EXTERIOR STYLES [00:05:07] THAT ARE NOT GENERALLY ALIGNED WITH THE AMERICAN ARCHITECTURAL PRECEDENT. THESE ARE OUR FIVE MAIN PRECEDENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE DGRS. YOU CAN NOTE THAT SOME COMMONALITIES APPEAR BETWEEN THEM, SUCH AS A FORMAL SYMMETRY, A GABLED ROOF LINE, AND DIVIDED LIGHT, MULTIPLE PANE WINDOWS. SO THIS SHOWS THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS. THE CITY ARCHITECT SAYS THIS IS AN ENGLISH COTTAGE STYLE OVERALL, BUT DETAILS MAY DEVIATE FROM THIS AND HE WISHES TO SEE MORE COHESIVE STYLE. THERE IS A USE OF GABLED ROOF LINES THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE DGRS, AND HERE ARE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS AS WELL. OVERALL, THIS DOES NOT APPEAR TO ALIGN SPECIFICALLY TO THE DGR PRECEDENTS. ALSO, FOR WAIVER NUMBER TWO, THE GARAGE LOCATION MASSING. YOU CAN SEE THE PORTION OF THE GARAGE IS UNDERLINED HERE AND THE HEIGHT IS SHOWN ON THIS RED LINE. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S TALLER THAN MOST OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, ESPECIALLY THE MAIN PORTION OF THE HOME. IT IS JUST NOT TALLER THAN THIS ONE PEAK RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS AS WELL. THE GARAGE MASS EXTENDS ABOUT 55FT FROM THE MAIN HOUSE MASS. THE GARAGE DOORS ARE NOT FRONT FACING, WHICH THE DGR SUPPORTS, BUT IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT WHICH THE CITY ARCHITECT IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE, THIS LINE IS THE FLOODPLAIN. JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN AND IS JUST ABOUT JUST OUTSIDE OF IT. AGAIN, TO SUMMARIZE, THERE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH, IF APPROVED, WILL ALLOW THE USE OF HARDIE BOARD AND STONE. THERE IS THE WAIVER FOR EXTERIOR STYLE, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE MIXING OF STYLES WINDOWS THAT ARE SINGLE, HUNG, DIVIDED LIGHT AND WAIVER FOR THE GARAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW PLACEMENT THAT DOES NOT MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT AND WHICH EXCEEDS THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN ROOF PEAK. I'M HERE IN THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO LET ME JUST ONE THING. YOUR YOUR REPORT IS HELPFUL IN FOCUSING ME. SO WHEN WE CONSIDER THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE ONLY THING THAT GOES INTO THIS IS THE USE OF THE THE VARIOUS MIX OF MATERIALS, CORRECT? YES. IF YOU VOTE FOR THE WAIVER SEPARATELY, THEN YES, WE CAN DO THAT ON ITS OWN. IT IT. BUT WE'RE NOT. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS AS I LOOK AT THIS IS I, I WORRY ABOUT FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF STONE UP FRONT, BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN THE BACK NOW. STAFF. SO THAT'S NOT PERFORMING. THAT'S CORRECT. THE DGRS DO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF ALL DIFFERENT MATERIALS ON ALL SIDES. AND AND SO THAT OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. AND BUT THEN WHAT STAFF WOULD GENERALLY THEN GIVE A CERTIFICATE. WE'RE DOING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON THE AREA WHERE IT DEVIATES FROM THE DGRS. IS THE STAFF THEN GOING TO CONSIDER IT OR IS WHEN WE. IF WE GIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, ASSUMING WE ALSO. WAY. IS IT DONE? YEAH IT WAS. YEAH. IT WOULD STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH OUR REGULAR PERMITTING PROCESS, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A MORE DETAILED REVIEW BY THE CITY ARCHITECT WHERE WE WOULD CAPTURED THINGS ANY OTHER LIKE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE HANGING OUT THERE, LIKE THE MISSING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING ON CERTAIN ELEVATIONS. BUT YES, THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED YOUR PURVIEW IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO AGAIN, AGAIN, WHAT JUMPED OUT AT ME AMONG AMONG MANY THINGS WAS I DON'T SEE FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE IN TERMS OF USING MATERIALS. AND WE'VE YELLED AT PEOPLE IN THE PAST WHO WANTED TO DO A BRICK FRONT AND NOT BRICK AROUND THE OTHER THREE SIDES, BUT THAT'S NOT MY THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM TONIGHT. CORRECT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR. AND, AND THAT'S WHY. OKAY. ALL I NEED TO KNOW. I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT. YEAH. THE THE APPLICANT. PATRICK MILLER I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT AT THE BEGINNING. IS THE PATRICK'S NOT HERE TODAY. I MEAN OLD WORLD. SO MY NAME IS APRIL SMALL. THANK YOU. HE'S NOT HERE WITH US TODAY. THAT'S OKAY. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN SO. WELL, ONE IS I MEAN AND I'M GOING TO BE INFLUENCED BY WHAT MR. DAVIE HAS TO SAY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS AND STAFF KIND OF, I THINK. JUMPED OVER THIS PRETTY QUICKLY. BUT LOOKING AT THIS, THE CITY ARC ARCHITECT'S COMMENT WAS IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A SINGLE, CLEARLY SELECTED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND RECOMMENDS ONE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BE CHOSEN AND USED AS A BASIS FOR ALL DESIGN DECISIONS. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. SO IN THE NORMAL COURSE, I'M GOING TO TAKE THE CITY ARCHITECT AT HIS WORD. DO YOU [00:10:02] DISAGREE WITH WITH THE CITY ARCHITECT ON THAT? JUST JUST FOR YOUR VIEW? NOT NECESSARILY. BUT WHEN I READ FURTHER INTO WHAT HE'S WRITTEN, HE'S REFERENCING SPECIFIC SECTIONS SUCH AS RAKES AND EAVES, GUTTER LINES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO WHEN I READ IT IN THAT FORM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED FROM THAT STYLE PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? AND OKAY, SO AGAIN, FROM, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I, I GET CONCERNED OVER APPROVING A WAIVER WHEN IT COMES TO DIFFERENT STYLES. AND I'D RATHER SEE IT FIXED RATHER THAN HAVE TO APPROVE IT WITH DIFFERENT DIFFERENT STYLES. BUT THAT'S JUST ME. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MR. DAVEY HAS HAS A VIEW ON THAT IN TERMS OF DOES IT REPRESENT THE DIFFERENCE MORE THAN ONE STYLE? AND YOU CAN TAKE TIME TO FORM YOUR VIEW IF YOU WANT, BECAUSE I HAVE MORE TO SAY. WELL, I FIRST QUESTION OR COMMENT WAS, I THINK THIS DRAWING OR THE PROJECT IN PARTICULAR WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM SOME 3D IMAGERY. IT'S, I THINK JUST HAVING 2D IMAGES. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A DETRIMENT BECAUSE AS WE LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE, I COUNT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN DIFFERENT ROOFS. AND MAYBE WHEN WE LOOK AT IT IN A 3D IMAGE, IT DOESN'T SEEM OVERWHELMING. BUT HERE JUST AND THAT'S JUST ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRAWING. IT JUST LOOKS TO BE TOO MUCH. AND IF, IF WE'RE HERE TO SAY SPECIFICALLY COMMENTING ON THE THE ROOFS BEING TOO LARGE, WELL, I WOULD SAY SIMPLIFY DOWN THE ROOFS AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. SO THAT'S ONE COMMENT I HAD. SO LET ME. LET OTHERS ASK QUESTIONS. AND THEN I HAVE STUFF THAT I'M GOING TO BLATHER ON ABOUT. WELL, IF I WAS GOING TO APPROACH THIS, THESE THREE WAIVERS, THE FIRST WAIVER, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE HARDBOARD. IT'S THE SECOND. AND THE THIRD, WHICH I THINK THE THIRD SOLVABLE. AND THE SECOND IS THE BIGGER ISSUE, WHICH IS RIGHT, WAS JUST SPEAKING TO. SO WHEN I WHEN I GO OFF TO GOTTA FIND MY WHEN I GO OFF TO. THE DG AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE DG THE, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED YOU YOUR GREAT CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN NOT TO MIX ELEMENTS FROM DIFFERENT STYLES OR TO TRY TO PRODUCE OR TO MIX ELEMENTS FROM DIFFERENT STYLES. AND THAT'S IN SECTION FIVE, WHICH IS THE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH OR IS THAT'S IN SECTION ONE. SECTION FIVE SIMILARLY REPEATS THAT, AND SECTION FIVE IS THE ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW AGAIN THIS IS. CONSISTENCY WITH WITH TRADITIONAL PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, IS AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE LOOK FOR. AND, AND THEN THE STAFF WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT THIS IS THIS IS IN FACT, IN AN AREA WITH EXISTING HOMES. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL AND I GUESS WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF GOOGLE MAPS, BUT IF OKAY, IF YOU IF YOU LOOK HERE. YEAH, THERE ARE THERE ARE TRADITIONAL STYLES HERE, BUT MISSING FROM HERE IS ALL UP HERE IS COMPLIANT ARCHITECTURE WITH WITH GR COMPLIANT ARCHITECTURE. WE HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION GOING HERE, WHICH BASED UPON STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING IS GOING TO BE COMPLIANT ARCHITECTURE. AND SO I WORRY ABOUT NOT GETTING A STRUCTURE HERE AGAIN WITH MULTIPLE STYLES OF ARCHITECTURE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH WITH THESE. AND IT CERTAINLY IS GOING TO CLASH WITH WHAT'S UP HERE. AND SO I FIND IT, I FIND THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF, OF, OF IT'S IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S EXISTING HOMES. YEAH. BUT BOY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TRANSITION HERE. AND SO THAT CONCERNS ME. THE. AGA AGAI, SO THERE ARE SOME TRADITIONAL OLD SCHOOL BUILDINGS HERE, BUT A LOT OF, I WOULD SAY THE PLURALITY OF STRUCTURES IS CLEARLY MODERN STANDARD. AND SO I'M KIND OF RELUCTANT TO, TO GO AWAY FROM ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, PICK A PICK A STYLE. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THEN PRESUMABLY, YOU KNOW, CLEANING UP THINGS SO [00:15:03] THAT THE CITY ARCHITECT OR MR. DAVIS OR MR. MALIK WHO'S NOT HERE SAYS, YEAH, THAT'S ONE STYLE, IN WHICH CASE I'M MORE, I'M MORE INCLINED TO, TO, TO, TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT WHEN I GO TO THE WAIVER STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, SO PROVIDE AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN OR PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT CONCERNING THE CONCERNING THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PARTICULAR STANDARD. AND, AND OBVIOUSLY HERE IT'S NOT JUST THE OLDER STRUCTURES. IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND ONE MIGHT ARGUE THAT THAT IN NEW ALBANY NOW IT'S HARD TO FIND AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE NEW BUILDING. BUT HERE, THE PLURALITY'S NEW STRUCTURE. AND SO I'M RELUCTANT TO TO VERY DRAMATICALLY FROM THE ONE STYLE. AND COULD SUBSTANTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD THAT THE APPLICANT IS ATTEMPTING TO SEEK A WAIVER FROM. AGAIN, I MEAN, I'M SEEING THINGS HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT PICK A STYLE. AND BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING LOT, YOU KNOW, IN AN OLDER SECTION, THERE IS VARIANCE THAT PERHAPS YOU COULD PICK A STYLE THAT WASN'T ONE OF THE ONES HERE, YOU KNOW, FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT. I SUPPOSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. BUT YOU COULD PICK THAT. BUT IF IT WAS CLEARLY FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT THEN YOU'VE GOT ONE STYLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S MY FAVORITE STYLE TO GO THERE. BUT AND THEN BE NECESSARY FOR REASONS OF FAIRNESS DUE TO UNUSUAL BUILDING STRUCTURE OR SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, DO WE WHY IS IT FAIR TO HAVE A MIX OF STYLES HERE? I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT THAT'S JUST A CHOICE. IS IT NECESSARY? I DON'T THINK IT IS. SO A LITTLE BIT. SO MY REACTION AT LEAST ON CAN WE GO BACK TO THE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON SO I CAN MY REACTION IS THAT I'D LIKE I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS COME BACK PERHAPS WITH WITH BETTER DRAWINGS FOR WHAT MR. DAVIS SAID, BUT WITH WITH SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT TROUBLED THE. THE CITY ARCHITECT CLEANED UP TO SAY, HERE'S ONE STYLE, BECAUSE I DON'T DISLIKE. I THINK I AM ALSO HAPPY WITH WITH THE COA IN TERMS OF THE MIX. MIXED MATERIALS. AND THEN THE OTHER POINT, I GUESS, IS, ALTHOUGH IT WAS MUSHED IN HERE, THE DGR5 ROMAN TWO F SIX. THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A REASON WE CAN'T IMPLY THAT YOU YOU COULDN'T COMPLY WITH THAT. THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE CLIENT. OKAY. SO I MEAN, SHE'S VERY PARTICULAR IN REGARDS TO MAINTENANCE AND TYPE OF MATERIALS BECAUSE SHE'S BUILT MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE. SO SHE HAD SOME SPECIFIC REQUESTS THERE BECAUSE ANYMORE YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO ALUMINUM CLAD ON ALL THIS STUFF. AND SO THAT TAKES OUT ANY OF THE. AND SO AGAIN, I COME BACK, I COME BACK TO IS IT DOES IT MEET THE WAIVER STANDARDS? I MEAN, AGAIN, THE WAY THE WAIVER STANDARDS ARE MORE THAN NICE. PEOPLE WHO ARE POLITE ASK NICELY. I'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT. IT, YOU KNOW, IS IS IT NECESSARY FOR REASONS OF FAIRNESS, DUE TO UNUSUAL BUILDING STRUCTURE OR SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, I'M HARD PRESSED TO FIND THOSE FOR AT LEAST EGR52F6. SO WE'RE USING A FIBERGLASS OR FIBREX EXCUSE ME WINDOW, NOT A VINYL WINDOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M AS WORRIED WITH THE MATERIAL FOR THIS HOUSE AS I AM. POTENTIALLY THE THE DIVIDED LIGHT AND THE PROPORTIONS. OKAY IS WHAT I WOULD IS WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK YOU'RE SAYING SO LIKE THE SINGLE HOME VERSUS A TRUE DOUBLE HOME. YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL LET OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TALK BECAUSE I MAY BE OUT ON A LIMB, BUT THAT'S MY REACTION IS MORE THE APPEARANCE THAN IT IS NECESSARILY THE MATERIALS. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING FOR THE CLIENT, I GUESS SHE AGAIN, SHE'S BUILT MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE. AND SO SHE HAD SOME FAIRLY SPECIFIC REQUESTS JUST BASED ON WHAT SHE'D BEEN THROUGH. AND EVEN FROM A STYLISTIC PERSPECTIVE, SHE WANTED SOMETHING PRETTY MODERN AND KIND OF ECLECTIC. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP WITH SOME MORE TRADITIONAL FORMS AND BRINGING IT TOGETHER. BUT AND AGAIN, DGRS DO SEEM TO TELL US YOU CAN TAKE A TRADITIONAL FORM AND THEN MAKE IT MODERN, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THAT AND I'VE SEEN THAT IN DIFFERENT PLACES. BUT I THINK UNTIL I HAVE THE ARCHITECTS TELL ME THAT IT'S THAT IT'S ONLY ONE STYLE, THAT'S WHERE I GET HUNG UP, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE THAT THE STANDARDS FOR THE WAIVERS ARE MET. FOR ME, WE HAD SOME UNIQUE CHALLENGES, CERTAINLY WITH THIS PROJECT. SO INCORPORATING THIS LARGE SPORT BUILDING WAS DIFFICULT FROM A SCALE PERSPECTIVE. YOU KNOW, AS AS YOU KNOW, AND WANTING ONE FLOOR LIVING. SO RANCHES CAN BE [00:20:06] DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY NOW INCORPORATING THAT SPORT COURT AND THEN LIVING OVER THE GARAGE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT PUSHED THE HEIGHT OF, OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS UP. SO CERTAINLY SOME UNIQUE BRIGHT SPOTS WITH THAT. I'LL SHUT UP AND I'LL LET OTHER PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WAIVER B OR, AND, AND OR WAIVER A YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OVERALL MASSING ON THE LOT IN THIS LOCATION. IT'S QUASI REMOTE AND ITS LOCATION, BUT I THINK THE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE MORE CONSISTENT. I THINK YOU SHOULD PROBABLY GO AHEAD. AND HOW DOES THE ELEVATION FROM THE ROAD GO BACK TO TOWARD THE BACK? IS IT FALL ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK? I SEE THE POND ON THE LEFT. WHEN YOU'RE APPROACHING FROM THE WEST COMING DOWN THIS WAY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING READY TO DIVE DOWN REALLY STEEP HILL, AND THE HOUSE SITS ON THE TOP AND IT GOES FAIRLY FLAT FROM FRONT OF PROPERTY TO BACK. OKAY, IT'S THAT SIDE THAT MORE OF A MORE OF A REASON THEN TO HAVE THAT GARAGE HEIGHT NOT EXCEED THE ROOFLINE OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. IT'S IF IT WERE FALLING AWAY, IT, IT WOULD BE AN OPTICAL ILLUSION ANYWAY. BUT IF IT'S MORE LEVEL, I THINK WE SHOULD WORK TO FIX THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING AS TO WAIVER B YOU DON'T WANT TO GRANT WAIVER B THEY GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE TO MAKE IT SMALLER. YEAH THAT'S CORRECT. THESE THESE FEW GABLES HERE AT THE FRONT WITH DORMERS. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK WHEN YOU SIMPLIFY THE ARCHITECTURE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP CHANGING THAT FRONT DETAIL. I WOULD GUESS WITH THE TWO GABLES. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF FORMS THERE, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO SIMPLIFY AND SAVE THE, THE, THE NEW OWNER MONEY. I WOULD THINK. I AGREE, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM ESSENTIAL TO THE DESIGN. I, I SEE WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE HURTING ANYTHING TO SAY. LET'S COME BACK AND MAKE SURE WE WE FOLLOW THAT RULE. I WOULD ALSO. SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT IS ESTABLISHED. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO FOLLOW EACH OTHER. SO SAY THIS PORTIONS POP BACK. IT'S HARDIE BOARD AND THEN THIS PORTIONS POP BACK AND IT'S PANELING. BUT THEN SAME HERE. SO YOU HAVE THIS PORTIONS POPPED FORWARD. IT HAS PANELING RECESSED BACK. SO THE CONSISTENCY OF THE MATERIAL LANGUAGE, ESPECIALLY AT THE FRONT WHERE THERE ARE THERE IS A LOT GOING ON. DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THERE. SO I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING WHERE THE CITY ARCHITECT MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAN THEN SAY, YEAH, LET'S NOT LISTEN TO HIM AND LET'S IMPROVE AS NEEDED. I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY MISSING A LEVEL OF REVISION THAT SHOULD COME BACK TO US. I WOULD THINK SO. WE I THINK WE ARE INVITING YOU TO READ WHAT THE DO YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT? YES. OKAY. YES. I GUESS WE'RE INVITING YOU TO READ THE STAFF REPORT AND TRY TO RESPOND TO THE CITY ARCHITECT'S COMMENTS. OKAY. THAT'S ONE QUESTION. SO WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF THE HARDIE BOARD, BUT I'M MY TIME ON THIS BOARD. HOW MUCH HAVE WE APPROVED LIKE A STONE? IS THAT PRETTY COMMON? WE I JUST HAVEN'T IS THAT I CAN I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S PART OF THE AMERICAN HERITAGE OF ARCHITECTURAL VERNACULAR. OKAY. SO I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT CALLED OUT IN THE. RIGHT. ONE OF THE OLDEST HOUSES IN NEW ALBANY, THAT'S STONE HARDIE BOARD RIGHT THERE. RIGHT? YEAH. I JUST WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD A LONG HISTORY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T AN ISSUE LATER. SO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, OOPS, SORRY. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I KNOW IT'S PERMITTED WITH THE CITY ARCHITECT REVIEW IN WOODHAVEN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES THAT YOU'RE AWARE. WOODHAVEN. OH GOSH. WHAT'S THAT? HAWKSMOOR IS ANOTHER ONE THAT THAT USES IT. OKAY. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER COMMUNITY WHERE IT'S USED VERY LIGHTLY, LIKE ON THE WATER TABLE, THE WATER TABLE. YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE 40 HOUSES IN ALBANY COUNTRY CLUB. THE SECTION 30 IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THAT'LL BE THAT'LL BE AWESOME THERE TOO. MR. HENSON'S POINT, THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT APPROPRIATELY. IT'S JUST WHEN SETTING THOSE BROAD RULES FOR ALL ARCHITECTURE IN NEW ALBANY, WE STUCK WITH THE BRICK AND THE WOOD BY DEFAULT, ALLOW PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE TO GET APPROVAL FOR OTHER THINGS. WE'RE NOT BREAKING NEW GROUND. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS JUST SO WE GIVE YOU AS MUCH GUIDANCE AS WE CAN. IS ANYBODY HERE ON THE BOARD CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT PARKING STRUCTURE COMES FORWARD AND IS IN FRONT OF THE MAIN BODY, JUST SO WE DON'T [00:25:05] BLINDSIDE YOU? IS THERE LANDSCAPING? I GUESS THAT'D BE TO THE WEST DOES TO BLOCK THE NEIGHBORS FROM THAT. I GUESS THE PONDS THERE. SO THERE'S NOT A DIRECT NEIGHBOR. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING ON WHICH SIDE HERE. SO I GUESS IT'S EAST AND NOT WEST. EAST. THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE GARAGE WILL FACE RIGHT. THE DOOR GARAGE OPENING WILL FACE TO THE EAST EAST AND THERE'S THE POND AND THEN PLENTY OF LANDSCAPING THERE. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE EXISTING TREES, I DON'T KNOW, HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HOW WELL IT SCREENS IT. THAT'S PART OF THE WOULD BE PART OF THE ARCHITECTS REVIEW OR THE PERMITTING PROCESS, BECAUSE THAT IS IN THE IN THE CODE RIGHT FOR THE SCREENING OR NO. YEAH. WELL IT'S NOT NO STREET. I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT STREET TREES. YEAH, YEAH. THEY WILL ALL BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT. YEAH. IT LOOKS FAIR. I MEAN JUST FROM GOOGLE EARTH, HONESTLY, IT LOOKS PRETTY WELL SCREENED FROM BOTH SIDES, BOTH PROPERTIES ON THE SIDES HERE. SO THOSE TREES THERE ARE VERY MATURE TREES. AND SHE IS WORKING WITH A LANDSCAPING COMPANY TO PUT TOGETHER SOME PLANS FOR HER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THESE. YES. YEAH. YEAH. AND THE ONES DOWN BY THE HERE AROUND THE POND EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH. YEAH. HERE. WILLOW MAYBE HERE. YEAH. AND TO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WITH THE BOARD, LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT THAT LAUREN PUT TOGETHER, IF THE GARAGE IS STILL LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THERE MIGHT STILL BE SOME WAIVERS THAT ARE NEEDED. JUST SO YOU KNOW. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING TO, WHICH IS I THINK I'M HEARING THAT THE BOARD IS MORE CONCERNED WITH THE MASSING AND THE FACT THAT THE ROOF, THAT ROOF, THAT THAT'S TOO HIGH. I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THE GARAGE IN THE GARAGE IN FRONT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS. SORRY TO JUMP IN THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND. IT'S GARAGES ARE IN THE FRONT FACING RIGHT INTO THE POND. I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH GARAGE LAYOUT. SO IT'S AGAIN, FROM FROM OUR STANDPOINT, I THINK GO BACK TO THE WAIVERS AGAIN. YEAH. SO I THINK IT IS THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST ONE THAT I THINK I'M HEARING US SAY THAT WE CAN THAT WE I'M HEARING THIS, AT LEAST THE FOUR OF US HERE. THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF MEMBERS HERE NEXT MONTH, BUT THE FOUR OF US HERE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT FIRST WAIVER. THE MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT THROUGH LOCATION, ETC. I THINK WE'RE I'M HEARING WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. IT IS THE SECOND ONE THAT I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD WANT TO GIVE. THEREFORE, IT SENDS YOU TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO, TO IDEALLY REMOVE THE NEED FOR IT. DOES THAT GIVE YOU GUIDANCE? I'M SORRY. SO WE WOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT. SO YOU SHOULD YOU SHOULD SOLVE THAT. YES. BECAUSE I'M HEARING AT LEAST THESE FOUR MEMBERS AREN'T EXCITED TO GIVE YOU THAT WAIVER. OKAY. AND AT LEAST YEAH, ON THIS ONE, THE PRINCIPAL COMMENT TO YOU IS. PICK A STYLE AND HAVE THE ARCHITECT AGREE THAT IT'S ONE STYLE. OKAY. AND I THINK ON THE FIRST ONE, I THINK WE WOULD AT THE RIGHT TIME, WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT I THINK WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE TABLE THIS TO ALLOW YOU TIME TO. YEAH, I AGREE TO COME BACK RECOMMENDED TABLE AND BRING MORE MORE VIEWS. CORRECT. YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MORE HOLISTIC PICTURE OF HOW THAT PROJECT INTERACTS. OKAY. YEAH. MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT FOR 30 DAYS, MAY OR BE 36, 2026. YEP. AND I'D ASK THE APPLICANT IF 30 DAYS IS ENOUGH, IS 30 OKAE THAT MOTION TO I SECOND IT. THANK YOU, MR. HENSON. YES. MR. YES. MR. DAVIES. YES. MR. STROLLER YES, YES. HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO TABLE THIS APPLICATION FOR 30 DAYS. OKAY. THE NEXT CASE IS A OR B 37 2026 FOR AN UPPER EAST ROOFTOP MODIFICATION. IT'S FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES TO AN APPROVED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT IS RASHAD DEVELOPMENT. GREEN. STAFF REPORT PLEASE. YES WE CAN. SO AGAIN THI A A COA FOR THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE MODIFICATIONS ARE TO THIS BUILDING. BUILDING B MODIFICATION INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF SKYLIGHTS, THE REMOVAL OF HALF HEIGHT PRIVACY WALLS BETWEEN UNITS, AND THE INCORPORATION OF ROOFTOP ROOFTOP GARDEN ACCESS STRUCTURES. SO THE SKYLIGHTS [00:30:04] AND PRIVACY WALLS ARE ESSENTIALLY BEING REPLACED WITH THIS ROOFTOP GARDEN ACCESS STRUCTURE. THIS ENHANCES SCREENING BETWEEN NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND HAS MINIMAL VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET. ROOFTOP ACCESS WAS ALREADY PROPOSED AND APPROVED IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE. SO A QUICK QUESTION AND WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT. SO WHAT I'M SEEING HERE ON THIS ONE, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN'T SEE THEM WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM DRIVING. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM WHEN YOU'RE FURTHER AWAY IS AT LEAST WHAT THAT VERSUS JUST HAVING THE WALLS. YES, YOU CAN SEE THEM A BIT MORE. THERE THEY ARE. OH, YOU'RE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THE APPROVED RIGHT FOR THIS IS THE FORMER. YEAH. YEAH. THE WALL. I'M SEEING NOT A WHOLE LOT OF STRUCTURE THERE. AND I'M SEEING IT LOOKS LIKE PIMPLES AND SENDING UP THERE, WHICH AT LEAST COULD POTENTIALLY CONCERNS ME. BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD TO THAT IN THIS RENDERING, THERE IS A BUILDING, A STRUCTURE ESSENTIALLY IN FRONT OF THAT. IT'S 24 MAINE OR OR NEW NEIGHBORS HARVEST PIZZA. I THOUGHT I SAW HIM ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT BUILDING IS IN FRONT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE TODAY. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SIGHTLINES ALONG 62, YOU KNOW, WE'VE STUDIED THAT EXTENSIVELY. WE THINK THAT'S PRETTY MINIMAL IMPACT. OKAY. I DO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CHANGE. WHAT. WELL, I'LL FIRST OFF BY SAY SOME GOOD NEWS, WHICH IS WE'RE OFFICIALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IF ANYONE WHO'S DRIVEN PAST THE SITE, WE'RE FULL STEAM AHEAD. FIRST BUILDINGS SHOULD BE OPEN SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT ACHIEVEMENT. WHAT STARTED AS A BIT OF A CLEVER IDEA? THE SKYLIGHT HATCH. AS WE GOT FURTHER INTO CONSTRUCTION, DOCUMENTATION, BIDDING, SOURCING OF THIS REALLY, IT'S NOT A COMMONPLACE THING TO DO AROUND HERE. WHEN WHEN WE WERE SOURCING THIS, WE HAD TO GET IT CUSTOM MADE OUT OF EUROPE. ACTUALLY, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS WHO DO THIS MOST. SO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY EVEN MORE OF OUR MAIN CONCERN WAS THE WATERPROOFING, THE MAINTENANCE, AND THE OVERALL OPERABILITY OF IT. COULDN'T GET ANY WARRANTY FROM OUR SUBS EITHER. SO IT REALLY STARTED WITH SORT OF A UNIQUE, CLEVER IDEA, KIND OF TURNED INTO A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE. WE LIKE THE SOLUTION FOR A FEW REASONS. IT ADDS A BIT MORE PRIVACY. IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO ROUTE ELECTRICAL AND EVEN A SPIGOT UP THERE FOR FOLKS TO WATER THEIR PLANTS. SO WE THINK IT'LL ENHANCE THIS, WHAT WE'RE CALLING A ROOFTOP GARDEN EXPERIENCE FOR OUR TENANTS. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT HAS A PRETTY MINIMAL VISUAL IMPACT AS WELL. SO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS. SO SO AGAIN, HELP ME THEN FROM THE FROM FROM 62. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT, YOU'RE BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT IS GOING TO PRETTY MUCH MEAN, I'M NOT SEEING THOSE THINGS FROM 62, NOT OUR BUILDING FROM 62. NO, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING THE BUILDING OF WHAT WAS 24 MAIN. OKAY. FROM THIS SPECIFIC ANGLE. NO, NO. I GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN IF YOU CAN, SO I CAN. YEAH. OKAY. SO HERE THESE THESE ARE UP HERE, CORRECT? YES. SO THIS, THIS BUILDING, IF I'M ON 62 HERE, I'M NOT GOING TO SEE THEM BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS IN THE WAY. THAT'S HIGH IS THIS HIGH STREET. I BELIEVE THAT'S YEAH. THAT'S 605 RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO FROM HIGH STREET YOU CERTAINLY WON'T SEE I MIGHT SEE THEM FROM THE PARKING LOT OF, OF, OF, OF THE PIZZA PLACE, THE OLD PIZZA PLACE HERE ON THE CORNER. AND, AND DOWN HERE AT LEAST IMMEDIATELY YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT THE SOON TO BE HARVEST PIZZERIA AND YOU'RE BUILDING HERE IS GOING TO BLOCK THEM, BLOCK VIEW OF THEM FROM THERE. OKAY. CORRECT. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAD PRIVACY WALLS UP THERE. I THINK WE'RE ABOUT A FOOT HIGHER THAN A FOOT AND A HALF HIGHER THAN WHAT THOSE WERE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE STARTING FROM, YOU KNOW, LIKE 0 TO 100, JUST INCREMENTALLY ADDING A LITTLE BIT THERE. I, I'M NOT, I DON'T LIKE THE LOOKS OF THEM, BUT I'M IF NOBODY ELSE IS CONCERNED, I'M NOT. YOU SAID IT'S ONLY A FOOT AND A HALF DIFFERENCE WITH THE PRIVACY LAWS TO THE. YEAH. WE'RE ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF. AND, AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR SECTIONS, OUR ANGLE AND SLOPE ARE ACTUALLY BETTER THAN THE PRIVACY WALLS THAT WE WERE PRODUCING. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? JONATHAN GRUBB, MARSHALL ARCHITECTS THANK YOU. SO. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THIS. I THINK IT OCCURS A LOT IN OTHER AREAS. [00:35:14] IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HERE. THE ONE CONCERN I HAVE, WHICH HONESTLY IS TOO LATE TO PROBABLY EVEN ADDRESS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW HELPFUL IT IS, BUT I'M GONNA BRING IT UP ANYWAY. SO WITH THE SKYLIGHT VERSION, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO HAVE EACH ONE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE UNIT ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND IT'S REPEATED OVER AND OVER WITH THIS. NOW YOU HAVE A POP UP AND NOW EACH POP UP IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS ALL THESE POP UPS THAT ARE VERY NARROW, ONE BY ONE, OCCURRING ALONG THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD MUCH IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IT WOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER IF THEY WERE THICKER SIDE BY SIDE. SO YOU'RE MIRRORING THE UNIT RATHER THAN STARTING THE UNIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TRULY JUST AN ELEMENT THAT IS PART OF THE ROOF. WHEREAS HERE YOU HAVE THESE INDIVIDUAL POP UPS WHICH LOOK LIKE FINGERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST NOT SIGNIFICANT. SO THEY FEEL LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. WHEREAS IF IT WAS WORKED INTO THE DESIGN, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER DELINEATION OF THOSE POP UP ELEMENTS, NOT JUST VERY SKINNY, YOU KNOW, THING PLACED ON TOP OF THE STAIRWELL THAT GETS REPEATED OVER AND OVER. SO IT LACKS THE COHESIVENESS THAT GOES WITH THE REST OF THE DESIGN. AND IT FEELS LIKE A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM. SO UNDERSTANDING WHY IT'S THERE, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH KNOWING THIS, IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T FEEL AS LIKE AN IMPRESSIVE SOLUTION IN THE OVERALL. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ENOUGH TO, TO SAY NO. YEAH. I THINK JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT. OUR CHERRY CHERRY ALLEY AND SECOND STREET ELEVATIONS, THE FACT THAT NONE OF THE UNITS ARE MIRRORED ALLOWS FOR OUR FACADES TO HAVE THAT KIND OF STEPPED REGULAR RHYTHM. AND I THINK WE AS DESIGN TEAM AND OWNERSHIP WANTED THAT MORE SO THAN THE ROOFTOPS BEING MIRRORED BECAUSE WE FELT THE THE STREETSCAPE ELEVATION WAS FAR MORE POWERFUL. HAPPY TO APPROVE THIS WITH KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM. BUT. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THEM. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MINIMAL DIFFERENCE FROM THE KNEE WALLS THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE DIVIDING THE UNITS. AND GIVEN THE URBAN CODE THAT WE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM. THE OVERALL PROJECT IS SO MUCH MORE ENHANCING. YEAH. YEAH, SURE. ABSOLUTELY. IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY. SO WE WOULD WHAT IS OUR MOTION? DO WE DO WE MOVE TO, TO ACCEPT THE THE MODIFICATION TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REFLECTED. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING I WOULD MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MODIFICATION TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN THE STAFF'S MEMO OF JUNE 8TH, 2026. I'LL SECOND. MISTER ITEM. YES. MR. HENSON. YES. MR. DAVEY. YES. MR. STROLLER YES, THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ACCEPT THE MODIFICATION TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. THANKS. KEEP BUILDING. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT CASE IS A RB38, 2026 FOR HARVEST PIZZA FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW FOR BUILDING ADDITIONS AT 24 EAST MAIN STREET. THE APPLICANT IS BILL MURRAY. BILL MURPHY. SORRY, I DO HAVE A STAFF REPORT. YEAH. FOR YOU. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE A STAFF REPORT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. SO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR SITE AND BUILDING ADDITIONS AT 24 EAST MAIN STREET FOR A PROPOSED HARVEST PIZZERIA RESTAURANT. SO HERE'S A SITE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. HAS FRONTAGE ALONG EAST MAIN STREET HERE AND THEN SECOND STREET HERE. HERE IS A ZOOMED IN AERIAL FOR REFERENCE OF THE EXISTING SITE LAYOUT, [00:40:06] THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL A DETACHED STRUCTURE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE ON THE NORTH SIDE. SORRY. AND THEN THIS STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 117FT■!S. THAT IS A FREEZER ENCLOSURE AND IS. AND THEN THIS IS THE SECOND EDITION, SORRY, WHICH IS AN ATTACHED PIZZA OVEN ON THE EAST ELEVATION. THIS ENCLOSURE IS PROPOSED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 63FT■!S. THE PIZZA OR THE PIZZA OVEN ENCLOSURE CONTAINS A STAINLESS STEEL CHIMNEY PIPE AS WELL. SO HERE THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS. AND THEN HERE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. SO HERE'S THAT CHIMNEY PIPE THAT I JUST MENTIONED. THE RED BOXES ON THESE PLANS INDICATE THE PIZZA OVEN ENCLOSURE. AND THEN THE BLUE INDICATES THE COOLER ENCLOSURE. SO IN SUMMARY ALL MATERIALS TRIM ELEMENTS AND DETAILS WILL MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING DESIGN. THE ADDITION WILL PROVIDE THE PROPOSED BUSINESS WITH NEEDED STORAGE AND WILL HELP BRING A DINING OPTION TO THE VILLAGE CENTER. THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ALLOW THE HISTORIC BUILDING TO BE REUSED AS A NEW RESTAURANT WHILE MAINTAINING ORIGINAL FORM. HERE ARE THE CONDITIONS. SO CONDITION ONE SIGNAGE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE ARB. ONCE THE DETAILS HAVE BEEN FINALIZED, AND A DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN SHALL BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. SO I'M HERE IN THE APPLICANT IS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. CHRIS. KRATER OWNER, HARVEST. THANK YOU. AND IT'S NOT JUST ANOTHER PIZZA SHOP JUST FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. WE DO HAVE THINGS ON THE. ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. I'M. THE HARDIE BOARD WOULD BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING. ARCTIC WHITE AND THE ROOFING WOULD ALSO MATCH THE EXISTING STANDARD. STANDARD SEEN IS THE DOOR ON THE BACK OF THE COOLER ON THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT. IT WOULD FACE THE PARKING LOT FOR DELIVERIES, EXTRA COLD STORAGE, PIZZA DOUGH DELIVERIES EARLY IN THE MORNING. THIS IS EASY TO ME. I DON'T HAVE YES. SO IT'S A VERY SIMPLE. WELL, CELEBRATING 15 YEARS THIS JULY. PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT. GLAD TO HAVE YOU. YEAH THANK YOU. I MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION A ARB 38 2026 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE SIGNAGE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD ONCE DETAILS HAVE BEEN FINALIZED AND TWO A DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN SHALL BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND A SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. I'LL SECOND MISTER ITEM. YES. MR. DAVIES. YES. MR. STROLLER. YES. MR. HANSEN. YES, THE EYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES. ALL VOTES TO APPROVE ARB 38, 2026, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. PLEASE. THE ONLY MODIFICATIONS TO THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE ARE PLANNING IS THE REMOVAL OF TWO GREEN GLASS FIRE PITS THAT ARE THERE. AND THEN WE'RE TAKING OUT A BOXWOOD TO REPORT THE EXISTING OR WHAT. THERE WAS AN ADA ACCESS WHERE THE. OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST MAKING THAT ADA SECTION ONE SECTION OVER DOES THAT. IF WE'RE JUST REMOVING. DOES THAT NEED TO BE SUBMITTED OR ASK STAFF. SORRY. YEAH. SO THAT CAN JUST BE NOTED [VII. Other business] ON THE PLANS WHEN YOU SUBMIT. YEP. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR THE BOARD. WHAT'S ON THE WHAT. WELL OTHER THAN WHAT WE THE MATTER THAT WE JUST HEARD FROM ON WHAT'S ON WHAT'S ON IN THE PIPELINE. SO WE HAVE EDGE HILL, WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT ALONG PARKWAY AND EAST DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD COMING IN. 200, I BELIEVE, 280 ISH HOMES. OKAY. AND THAT'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO. CORRECT. WE'RE ADVISING THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEP. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, THANK YOU, STAFF FOR NICE. A NICE JOB DONE. IF YOU HAD SOME DIFFICULT REPORTS TO WRITE THIS DOWN. I APPRECIATE YOUR GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO [00:45:02] MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.