Jul 20, 2026 Planning Commission

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CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, JULY 20TH, 2026. ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. KIRBY. PRESENT. MR. WALLACE. PRESENT. MISS. BRIGGS HERE. MR. LARSEN, PRESENT. DOCTOR. SEIDEL.

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THANK YOU. ITEM THREE. ACTIONS ON THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 15TH. DO I HEAR ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE JUNE 15TH MINUTES? FROM ME? NONE HERE. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE JUNE 15TH MINUTES? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 15TH, 2026 MEETING. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. THE ROLL, PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. LARSON.

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SO ANY OBJECTION FROM STAFF? ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? OKAY WITH THAT? WOULD ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. EVERYONE, CHECK YOUR CELL PHONE AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN SILENT MODE. ITEM FIVE HEARING OF VISITORS. FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH

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CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES, YES. ONE MOMENT. THANK YOU. SIERRA. THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE AT 6600 NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATED AT THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT IS SURROUNDED BY RURAL RESIDENTIAL HOUSES AND OFFICE USES TO THE NORTH. SO THIS WAS RECENTLY REZONED TO AN INFILL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR IPD, ALONG WITH A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND IT IS NOW AT THE STAGE OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT REZONING WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR. THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD DID APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS AND THEY DID REVIEW IT WITH THE SAME EVALUATION OR SAME CONSIDERATIONS AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE STRATEGIC PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS THE TYPE OF AUTHENTIC ENVIRONMENT THAT OFFICE USES ARE SEEKING, HIGHLIGHTING ADDING OFFICES TO THE VILLAGE CENTER AS IMPORTANT EFFORT AND CAREFUL INTEGRATION AND APPROPRIATE DESIGN OF OFFICE DEVELOPMENT WILL EXPAND THE CITY'S OFFERINGS. THE EXISTING HOUSE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ARE SHOWN IN THE SITE PLAN, WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE BEING AT THE FRONT THERE. THERE IS ALSO THE EXISTING ENTRY DRIVE, AS WELL AS NEW PAVEMENT FOR THE 20 NEW PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE IS A SIX FOOT TALL FULL OPACITY WALL ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE TO FULLY SCREEN IT FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. THIS SHOWS AT THE VERY TOP WHAT'S EXISTING IN THE MIDDLE IN RED IS WHAT'S BEING MODIFIED ON THE EXTERIOR, SO IT'S LARGELY MINOR MODIFICATIONS ON THE EXTERIOR. NO STRUCTURAL CHANGES REALLY. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM IT SHOWS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE FRONT AND THE REAR ELEVATION. THIS USES A TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT, WHICH IS ENCOURAGED BY THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS, WHILE STILL RETAINING THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER IN THE ORIGINAL QUALITIES OF THE BUILDINGS. THERE IS MINIMAL ILLUMINATION WITH TWO INCH TALL LUMINAIRES FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN BLUE ON THIS PLAN. SO THE FRONT AND BACK OF THE PROPOSED OFFICE OR THE EXISTING HOUSE, AS WELL AS THREE FOOT TALL ILLUMINATORS FOR PARKING LOT VISIBILITY SHOWN IN RED. SO GENERALLY ALONG THE ENTRY DRIVE AND AROUND THE PARKING AREA. AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE REZONING, THE APPLICANT WAS TO

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THERE'S A NEW PARKING LOT AND SCREENING FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE. THE ARCHITECTURE RESPECTS THE SITE CONTEXT WHILE UTILIZING THE COMMERCIAL DESIGN GUIDELINES INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINE REQUIREMENTS. THERE IS A MINIMAL ILLUMINATION AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET THROUGH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ENGINEERING. YEAH, I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS, ADDING SOME NOTES AND SIGNATURE BLOCKS TO THE TITLE SHEET SHOWING A MORE DETAILED UTILITY PLAN FOR WATER AND SANITARY HOOKUPS TO SHOW THE ODOT LIMIT OF RIGHT OF WAY AND SEE IF WE NEED AN ODOT PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT, PROVIDE A FIRE TRUCK TURNING ANALYSIS AND OBTAIN FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL. EVALUATE THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE WITH A PROPER SITE, DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AND SHOW A TABLE SHOWING THE PARKING STALLS REQUIRED AND ADA REQUIREMENTS.

CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY.

YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT ON ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD. YES. OKAY. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SORRY. OH, MY PERSONAL HOME ADDRESS. YOUR BUSINESS ADDRESS WOULD DO FINE.

OKAY. PICK ONE. MARKET STREET, SUITE 201, NEW ALBANY, OHIO, 43054. ROB RIDDLE. THANK YOU.

SO THE CHANGES ARE PRIMARILY JUST ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES. YEAH. THE BUILDINGS AND THE USES AND THE LAYOUT ARE IN ESSENCE THE SAME FROM THE LAST INTERIOR LAYOUT. THE EXTERIOR THE SITE PLAN. OH YEAH. THE SITE PLAN REMAINS LARGELY UNCHANGED. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE. THE SAME PACKET THAT WE DO LIKE THIS SOLID SCREEN FENCING CAGE. THAT COULD BE REFERRED TO ON THE SCREEN OR. NO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT PULLED UP ON THE SLIDES, BUT IT'S NOT. WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? IT'S THE SECOND TO LAST. PAGE 21. OH IS THAT IT? IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. WELL, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS ABOUT THE SOLID SCREEN FENCING. SO I CAN SEE ON HERE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES BACK. I'M WONDERING HOW FAR IT GOES BACK. IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES BACK TO THE EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK.

BUT DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY ALONG THAT? SO PART OF THE ZONING TEXT STATES, I BELIEVE THAT THE PARKING LOT, PAVEMENT AND THE FENCE ARE TO GO NO FARTHER BACK THAN THE FARTHEST BACK FACADE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO ESSENTIALLY IT WILL BE, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE ENDING AROUND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT SORT OF SHOWS ON THE ON THIS DIAGRAM. BUT THEN THERE'S A SECOND ONE THAT KIND OF SHOWS IT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK ON THE NEXT PAGE, ON PAGE 21. SO IT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? GO AHEAD. WHAT HAPPENED THAT RB NOTED IN THE REPORT? IT SAYS THAT THEY MET ON JUNE 8TH. OH, APOLOGIES. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPDATED.

IT WAS LAST WEEK. EXCUSE ME. IT WAS LAST WEEK OF MY APOLOGIES. OKAY. EITHER WAY. BUT WHAT HAPPENED? THEY APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ADDED ANY CONDITIONS. IT WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS OR

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OKAY. PAGE FOUR PAGES. PAGE 040404 SHOWS THE AERIAL. YOU CAN SEE THE TELEPHONE POLES. OH, YOU CAN RUN DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. ARE THEY TELEPHONE OR ELECTRIC? OH WELL, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF LINES. THERE'S ELECTRIC, USUALLY CABLE, USUALLY TELEPHONE PIGGYBACKS ON THE ELECTRIC, BUT THEY ARE ELECTRIC LINES. BUT IF THERE IS AN EASEMENT, THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE EASEMENT HOLDER TO PUT THE FENCE WITHIN THE EASEMENT AREA IN THAT SITUATION. AND THE FENCE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, CORRECT? CORRECT. IT IS REQUIRED BY THE REZONING. THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL. I BELIEVE IT'S REQUIRED BY THE ZONING TEXT. OKAY. SO IT IS POTENTIALLY AN ISSUE IN. IT'S THE IT'S THE APPLICANT'S PROBLEM AT THIS POINT. AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

RIGHT. OKAY. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. OTHERS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. AND A QUICK

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APPLICATION. E OR FDP32, 2026. WITH THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ADDITIONAL REGARDING WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED? I THINK THEY'RE INCLUDED ON THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS AND CARRIED HERE.

I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I ASKED IF WE NEED TO DO IF IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO ANYTHING ADDITIONAL REGARDING THAT DISCUSSION? WE JUST HAD NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. LARSON? NO. MR. WALLACE NO. MR. KIRBY. YES. MISS BRIGGS? YES. WE'VE TIED THE MOTION FAILS. YES. THE MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. MAJORITY. FOR THE RECORD, THOUGH, FOR THE GOOD. THE NOSE. EXPLAIN WHY. SURE. I IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, I ALSO VOTED NO BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE USE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOT WITH THE ADJACENCIES IS NOT APPROPRIATE. IF IT WAS FURTHER DEVELOPED DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE, IT COULD. THAT COULD CHANGE. I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CIRCULATION ON THE SITE AND THE SAFETY THAT'S THAT HAPPENS WITH THAT. ECHO THE COMMENTS OF BRUCE. I THINK I VOTED AGAINST THIS LAST TIME AS WELL, AND I WOULD INCORPORATE THE REASONS I VOTED AGAINST THE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THE FIRST TIME INTO INTO TODAY'S NO VOTE AS WELL. I THINK I THINK I SAID LAST TIME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. AND I STILL THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE. DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. OKAY. TAKES US TO. GO AHEAD. WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR ME GOING FORWARD? LIKE, HOW DO I DO I RESUBMIT THIS? DO I TABLE THIS IS THERE? I'M JUST UNCLEAR ON? YEAH. SO THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN STEP OUTSIDE AND TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU WANT. OKAY. I'M REALLY NOT HERE ON RIGHT NOW I AM. WALTON PARKWAY, NEW ALBANY.

IS THERE A PROCESS I DON'T REMEMBER UNDER YOUR CODE? IF THERE'S A PROCESS FOR A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, IS THAT AT THIS MEETING OR DID HE MAKE IT SO? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT. YEAH. SO THERE IS THERE IS A PROCESS FOR MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.

THERE'S A CERTAIN STANDARD THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET WITHIN THE CODE. SO I MEAN THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY RESUBMIT I GUESS COULD BE AN OPTION TOO. BUT THERE IS A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION THAT CAN BE MADE. COULD THAT BE MADE AT THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK THERE'S A TIMELINE. SO IT'S EITHER THE NEXT MEETING OR THE TWO MEETINGS AFTER. BUT THERE'S THERE'S A PROCESS WITHIN THE CODE THAT OUTLINES THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T GIVE UP THAT RIGHT TONIGHT. MY POINT BEING, IF WE CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION IN SUPPORT OF THE EASEMENT ISSUE, FOR INSTANCE, AND FIRE ACCESS, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO COME BACK AND GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT FOR ROBIN.

THANK YOU. AND IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, I'LL TRACK DOWN THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. I CAN CHECK WITH THEM OUT IN THE HALLWAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND HAD THE TRAFFIC STUDY DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE TWO THINGS ARE.

ARE WORTH PUTTING ON RECORD OR ANYTHING. SO AT THE MOMENT. THOSE THOSE DID NOT MAKE THE

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AND, AND HE HAD MENTIONED THE VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. GO OVER WITH THEM WITH STAFF. I WILL CLAIM NO EXPERTISE IN THAT PARTICULAR CHUNK. AND BUT AS WAS MENTIONED, RECONSIDERATION IS YOU BRING MORE INFORMATION THAT WASN'T PRESENT. SURE. AND SAY, IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE, IF I HAD PRESENTED THIS, I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DIFFERENT VOTE. IS CASE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE WITH THAT AND CHAT WITH STAFF, BOTH BOTH THE PLANNING SIDE AND LEGAL ABOUT THAT AND PICK YOUR BEST OPTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE DID HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT THAT SHOWEDCF LIKE VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC AND NOT NECESSARILY THE FIRE TRUCK ENTERING AND BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE SITE SPECIFICALLY. SO THAT THAT WAS THE COMMENT WE DID RECEIVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY. AND FOR THE MOST PART, THAT PASSED EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. WE STILL HAD THE EVALUATION OF THE SITE DISTANCE AT THAT INTERSECTION. AND THERE ARE STILL A FEW THINGS WITH THE PARTIALLY SITE DISTANCE AND WITH THE STOP BAR IS GOING TO BE ON THE SITE. AND THEN THE FIRE TRUCK ANALYSIS IS WHAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO NEED. YEAH.

INTERESTING. THANK YOU. THANKS. IS THE VARIANCE 49 WOODGROVE DRIVE TRIM COLOR VARIANTS. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF PLEASE. YES. SO THIS IS FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE WOOD HAVEN. I PUT TEXT TO USE A DARK COLORED TRIM ON A HOME WHERE THE ZONING TEXT CALLS FOR LIGHT COLORED TRIM.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE WOOD HAVEN SUBDIVISION AND CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THIS CORNER LOT IS BORDERED BY LOTS DESIGNED FOR FUTURE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST, WITH THE RESERVE TO THE EAST. THIS REGULATION IS NOT SPECIFIED WITHIN OTHER AREAS OF NEW ALBANY, BUT THE LIGHT COLORED TRIM IS MOST CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REGULATIONS THAT REFERENCE MORE GEORGIAN STYLE HOMES. CITY ARCHITECT DID STATE THAT THE DARKER TRIM IS TYPICAL FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF MODERN ARCHITECTURE, BUT NOT WITH ARCHITECTURAL STYLES FOUND THROUGHOUT NEW ALBANY. AS SEEN HERE IN THESE AI GENERATED ELEVATIONS. THE LEFT IMAGE IS THE APPROVED ELEVATION WITH THE LIGHT COLORED TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS AND GARAGE, WHEREAS THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE PROPOSED DARK TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS AND GARAGE. THIS VARIANCE REQUEST IS SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MIXING ARCHITECTURAL STYLES IN THE CITY. ARCHITECT HAS SEEN THESE IMAGES AND FEELS THAT THE USE OF DARK TRIM ON THE STYLE OF HOME WOULD BE MIXING ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, MAKING THE VARIANCE SUBSTANTIAL AGAIN, BOTH DUE TO BOTH THE WOODHAVEN ZONING TEXT AND THE DGRS HAVING STIPULATIONS AGAINST MIXING STYLES ON A SINGLE HOME. AGAIN, THE VARIANCE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL SINCE IT WOULD BE MIXING ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE WOULD ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE SUBDIVISION OR OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SUBDIVISION, INCREASING SIMILAR VARIANCE REQUESTS, AND THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY THAT STAFF AND STAFF IS NOT AWARE OF ANY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCES OF SIMILAR NATURE WITHIN THE SAME ZONING TEXT, AND I, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SURE. I TAKE IT THERE'S NO ENGINEERING. THERE IS NOT. THANK YOU. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? 7662 EXCUSE ME, CENTRAL DRIVE, LEWIS CENTER, OHIO. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION RENDERINGS, PLEASE? THE ONE APPROVED RENDERING THE DOORS PROPOSED TO BE A LIGHT COLORED TRIM. THAT'S JUST AN ERROR IN THE RENDERING THAT WAS PRODUCED BY US, BY THE CUSTOMER. AND I FEEL I BROUGHT SAMPLES.

THE COLOR ON THE RIGHT IS MUCH DARKER THAN THE ACTUAL COLOR TONIGHT, JUST FOR BOARD CONSIDERATION. SO AGAIN, THE THE COLORS YOU JUST SHOWED US ARE FOR THE DOOR, BUT TO THE MIC, PLEASE GO BACK TO THE MIC. SO IT RECORDED IN THE MEETING. OTHERWISE IT'S YOU'LL DISAPPEAR ON THE LEFT SHOWS BROWN DARK BROWN DOORS. AND WITH THAT APPROVED TRIM COLOR, THE DOORS

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THE LEFT RENDERING SHOULD SHOW A LIGHTER DOOR. CORRECT. GARAGE DOORS? YES. GARAGE DOORS. OKAY, BUT OKAY. IS THAT NEW TO STAFF REVIEWED WITH THAT COLOR? JUST SO I'M CLEAR AS WELL. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE DOOR ITSELF WOULD BE LIGHTER IN THE APPROVED. WHAT IS APPROVED NOW WITH THE LIGHTER TRIM VERSUS IF THEY DID THE DARKER TRIM THEY WOULD DO THE DARKER DOORS. IS THE THE MEDIUM TERM, THE COLOR AND THE DOORS ARE ON THE SHEET ARE TO BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR. IT'S JUST THE DOORS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FOR THE. IF THEY WENT WITH THE LIGHTER COLOR THAT'S APPROVED, THE DOORS ARE LIGHTER, NOT THE TRIM. IT WOULD BE THE LIGHTER DOORS AND LIGHTER TRIM VERSUS. IF THEY DID THE DARK TRIM, THEY WOULD USE THE DARKER DOORS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I FEAR IT DOES NOT. SO ARE YOU. CAN YOU TRY AGAIN? YEAH. SO THE GARAGE DOORS WITH THE LIGHT TRIM WOULD BE THE SAME COLOR AS THE TRIM. ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD BE A LIGHTER COLOR OVERALL VERSUS IF THEY GET APPROVAL FOR THE DARK TRIM, THEY WOULD USE THE DARKER DOOR SO THAT IT KIND OF MATCHES DARKER AND DARK LIGHT AND LIGHT. SO AS APPROVED BEFORE IT WAS THE LIGHT CORRECT? LIGHT AND LIGHT. YES. SO THESE DOORS ARE DIFFERENT. I'M NOW FOLLOWING YOU ON THIS VERY MINOR POINT. I'M SO SORRY. THANK YOU. SO ARE YOU TELLING US THAT THIS DEPICTION THAT'S ON THE SCREEN THERE DOESN'T REALLY DEPICT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE? I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED IS THE CORRECT IF THE IF THE APPROVAL, IT WOULD BE THE DARK COLOR AND THE DARK TRIM. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. THE PROPOSED ONE IS APPROVED. ONE SHOULD HAVE HAD LIGHT DOORS. AT THE OFFICE WITH THE LIGHT DOOR WITH THE LIGHTER TRIM. GOT IT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR CUSTOMERS TO SEE THEIR DESIRE A LITTLE BIT DARKER. OF COURSE, WE'RE AWARE THIS COATS IS TRIM SHALL BE LIGHT. DOESN'T REALLY DEFINE LIGHT, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE THE FINISHED COLORS LIKE THE THE PROPOSED COLOR. YEAH, I HAVE IT HERE. CAN I, CAN YOU JUST HOLD THAT UP? I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THIS IS THEIR SIDING COLOR. IT'S CALLED COBBLESTONE. THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED. THIS IS MONTEREY TAUPE. THIS IS THE CURRENT TRIM COLOR IS APPROVED BY STAFF. THIS COLOR TIMBER BARK IS WHAT THE CUSTOMER DESIRES TO USE ON THE FRONT WINDOWS AND GARAGE DOOR TRIM. ONLY WITH THE DARK DOORS, DARK GARAGE DOORS. AND MY POINT IS THIS THAT LOOKS ALMOST BLACK. AND IN REALITY, IT'S DARKER THAN THIS ONE, CERTAINLY, BUT IT'S NOT AS DARK AS WHAT'S DEPICTED UP HERE. CAN YOU HOLD UP THE TWO SO WE SO WEN SEE THEM SIDE BY SIDE, PLEASE? THE THE CURRENT. YEAH. SO THE, THE, THE PROPOSED ONE IS ON MY LEFT. YES. AND THE APPROVED ONE IS ON MY RIGHT. THAT IS CORRECT. CAN YOU CAN WE BODY OF THE HOUSE COLOR. SORRY, BUT THE DOORS WOULD CHANGE. THE DOORS WOULD BE THE SAME COLOR AS THE TRIM COLOR AS APPROVED ON THE APPROVED AND AS PROPOSED, IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE TRIM COLOR. YES, THIS IS APPROVED. THE DOORS. IT'S A PRE-FINISHED DOOR, BUT IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL.

THIS COLOR. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE LIGHTER MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER. THOSE ARE THE ONLY COLORS THAT THE CLIENT LOOKED AT OR THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY LANDED ON. THEY DIDN'T THERE WERE NO OTHER COLORS THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. WELL, THESE THIS WAS THE COLOR THAT THE CUSTOMER WANTED A TAN OPPOSED TO A STARK WHITE. AND THESE ARE COMPLEMENTARY COLORS TO THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S REDS AND BLUES, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK. SO. OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ARE THERE ANY NEIGHBORING HOUSES ALREADY BUILT? THE OVERHEAD I SHOWED DOESN'T SEEM TO SHOW ANY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S CURRENT. I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT NOT DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS? WE HAVE NOT. THEY'RE A CUSTOMER. WE'VE NOT. THEY WERE NOTIFIED. THEY WERE NOTIFIED. OKAY. ARE THEY SO THEY'RE THEY'RE LIVING IN THE HOME. YES. IT'S COMPLETED.

AND THEY'RE LIVING THERE. YEAH. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF SO, COME UP TO THE MIC, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND ASK. YEAH. MY NAME IS JUSTIN, MY WIFE

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I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR VARIANCE.

49 2026. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS? I'LL SECOND AND DISCUSSION. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. WALLACE. YES. MR. LARSON YES. MISS BRIGGS YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU. WILLIAM, DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE VARIANCE ITSELF? GIVE ME A SECOND. I'M SORRY. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE VAR-49-202685. THE TRIM COLOR VARIANCE FOR 8535. WOODGROVE DRIVE BEFORE THAT. SECONDED. DAVE, WOULD YOU.

WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT, BUT FOR THE STAFF DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORDS, BY ANY CHANCE, WOULD THE COLORS WE WERE SHOWN ALSO GET PUT IN THE RECORD? WE HAVE A VERSION OF THEM IN THE OFFICE SO WE CAN PUT THEM IN AS WELL. PLEASE DO. I'M OKAY WITH THAT, DAVE. I AM OKAY WITH THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW I'LL CALL FOR A SECOND ON THE VARIANCE ITSELF. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE VARIANCE MOTION. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. LARSON. YES. MR. KIRBY. NO. MR. WALLACE. NO. THE MOTION FAILS WITH TWO VOTES IN FAVOR AND TWO VOTES AGAINST ON THE CRITERIA PRESENTED TO US FOR VARIANCES, THE DUNCAN CRITERIA. TO THAT PAGE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM. AND I DON'T FIND THIS TO MEET THOSE. IT. WE PROVIDE A SPECIAL SOMETHING SPECIAL GIVEN TO THIS RESIDENT THAT IS NOT GIVEN TO THE OTHERS. THEY'VE KNOWN THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. SO IT'S NOT AN AFTER THE FACT. OH, WE WE WERE NEVER INFORMED KIND OF THING. AND I DON'T FIND ENOUGH HERE TO APPROVE. I AGREE WITH NEIL. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT DOES. THE REQUEST DOESN'T MEET THE DUNCAN FACTORS. THE PROPERTY GETS REASONABLE RETURN WITHOUT THIS VARIANCE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT STAFF CONSIDERS THE VARIANCE TO BE SUBSTANTIAL, BECAUSE IT IS SORT OF INCONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT. AND I DO THINK IT WILL PROVIDE THESE OWNERS WITH SOMETHING THAT THE OTHER OWNERS DO NOT HAVE. AND ALSO, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT WHERE IF SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE THE COLORS THAT THE THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN THE ZONING CODE,

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SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. AND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE MODIFICATION TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. WALLACE YES. MISS BRIGGS YES. MR. LARSON YES, YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION. OKAY. SO UNDER OUR REVISED AGENDA, THAT TAKES US TO EDGEHILL. CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A COMBINED PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE 58 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED NORTH OF EAST DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD, AND IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT AND SUB AREA THREE SURROUNDED USES INCLUDE THE PROPOSED NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S TO THE NORTH, COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST, RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH AND UNDEVELOPED LAND TO THE EAST. AS THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN A C, P D, THE ARB AND PLANNING COMMISSION. BOTH WILL HEAR THE APPLICATION. THIS WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS BY THE ARB LAST WEEK ON JULY 13TH. THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU. TONIGHT AGAIN IS BOTH A PRELIMINARY AND A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE WERE SEVERAL WAIVERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED DURING THE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION AND FOR THE ZONING TEXT PLANNING COMMISSION WILL EVALUATE THESE. SO ARB WAS AWARE OF THEM, BUT THEY DID NOT OR DID NOT VOTE ON THEM. AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THEY DID NOT VOTE ON THEM. THEY DID NOT EVALUATE THEM. THANK YOU. AGAIN, HERE'S AN ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LAYOUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE UNIT LAYOUT AND OPEN SPACE. THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES SEVEN PHASES AS SHOWN ON THE COLOR CODED MAP, SHOWING EACH PHASE AS WELL AS THE UNIT COUNT FOR EACH. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 243 UNITS, AND THE ZONING TEXT PERMITS A MAXIMUM OF 294 UNITS. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 94 ROW HOMES AND 149 TOWNHOMES. JUST TO NOTE, THE ARB DID HEAR A TYPOLOGY APPLICATION FOR THE PROPOSED ROW HOME, WHICH WAS ALSO APPROVED BY THE ARB. THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED VIA FIVE CURB CUTS AS CIRCLED ON THE SITE PLAN. FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE

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THE DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE AN ESTIMATED 3.4 MILES OF NEW SIDEWALK. A LEISURE TRAIL CONNECTION IS PROPOSED ALONG EAST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTED TO BUILDING THE FUTURE MILLER AVENUE, LOCATED ON THE WEST OF THEIR SITE FROM GANTON PARKWAY, SOUTHWEST TO THEIR PROPERTY, AND THIS IS CONDITIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES 1205 PARKING SPACES CONSISTING OF A COMBINATION OF GARAGE PARKING, DRIVEWAY PARKING ON STREET PARKING AND EIGHT SATELLITE PARKING AREAS, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE ON THE SLIDE. FOR THE ROWHOUSE TYPOLOGY, EACH HOME IS REQUIRED TO INCLUDE A TWO CAR GARAGE AND A 16 FOOT DRIVEWAY, PROVIDING ADEQUATE SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL OFF STREET PARKING. BY COMPARISON, THE TOWNHOME TYPOLOGY REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE PER UNIT, WITH NO MAXIMUM PARKING LIMIT PER THE URBAN CENTER CODE. OVERALL, THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PARKING THROUGH A VARIETY OF PARKING OPTIONS THAT WILL ADEQUATELY SERVE THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. I'M SURE YOU SAID THIS, BUT DOES YOUR. SO SORRY, DOES THIS PLAN CONTEMPLATE STREET PARKING ON STREET PARKING? YES, THERE'S ON STREET PARKING AS WELL. OKAY. YEP. FOR PARKING AND OPEN SPACE, THE ZONING TEXT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 38 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE FOR THE ENTIRE ZONING DISTRICT. NATIONWIDE. CHILDREN'S DEDICATED 8.94 ACRES. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A TOTAL OF 17.29 ACRES AND RESERVE AREAS AND 13.8 ACRES SEVEN ACRES OF PARKLAND. DEDICATION. THERE ALSO WILL BE ADDITIONAL PARKLAND DEDICATION ON PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE. RESERVE A, WHICH INCLUDES THE PARKLAND DEDICATION, HAS A PROPOSED STORMWATER BASIN ON IT. THESE DESIGNS AND DETAILS ARE CONDITIONED TO GO BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONCE FINALIZED, AS NO PLAYGROUNDS ARE SHOWN. STAFF ALSO HAS ADDED A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF ON PLAYGROUND LOCATIONS AND THE HOA MAINTAINED RESERVES. IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, THE APPLICANT IS MEETING OR EXCEEDING APPLICABLE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING STREETSCAPES AND PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING. THE STRATEGIC PLAN RECOMMENDS PROVIDING A SUBSTANTIAL SETBACK ALONG EAST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD, AND THIS IS TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER AND THE APPLICANT IS ACHIEVING THIS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CITY ARCHITECT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO REFINE THE LANDSCAPE PLANS, AND AS A RESULT OF THIS COORDINATION, THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM LANDSCAPE. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A VARIED EXTERIOR MATERIAL PALETTE, INCLUDING BRICK, HARDIPLANK AND SHUTTERS, AND FOR COLORS THERE WILL BE CONSISTENT TRIM THROUGHOUT. WINDOWS ARE PROPOSED TO BE VINYL, DOUBLE HUNG AND FEATURE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO PERMIT VINYL WINDOWS. SINGLE BAY GARAGES ARE ALSO PROPOSED, WHILE CODE REQUIRES DOUBLE BAY. THIS IS ALSO A WAIVER REQUEST, SO IT WILL BE EVALUATED IN JUST A BIT, SIMILAR TO THE LANDSCAPE REVIEW PROCESS, THE APPLICANT WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CITY ARCHITECT TO REFINE THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS COLLABORATIVE EFFORT FOCUSED ON ENSURING THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH VILLAGE CENTER VISION AND REINFORCE THE HIGH QUALITY DESIGN STANDARDS ESTABLISHED FOR URBAN CENTER.

AS A RESULT OF THIS CONTINUED COORDINATION, THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS EXPRESSED STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE FINAL DESIGN AND HAS NO OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. I LOST MY MOUSE. HOLD ON. HERE IS THE FRONT ELEVATIONS OF THE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THE BALDWIN, THE DENNISON AND THE PALMER. TO THE LEFT IS THE BRICK HOMES, AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE HARDY PLANK HOMES. AND HERE ARE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THOSE FOR THE BALDWIN, THE DENNISON AND THE PLANTER. THERE ARE FOUR UNIT, FIVE UNIT AND SIX UNIT TOWNHOMES, AND HERE IS THE FRONT ELEVATIONS AS WELL AS THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS. HERE'S THE FOUR UNIT TOWNHOMES, THE FIVE UNIT TOWNHOMES, AND THE SIX UNIT TOWNHOMES. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS HIGH VISIBILITY LOT SHOWN IN ORANGE, WHICH INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND LANDSCAPING. THE RED AREA ON THE SLIDE SHOWS WHERE AT LEAST 60% OF THE HOMES WILL BE ALL BRICK, AND THE BLUE AREA SHOWS WHERE 40% OF THE HOMES WILL BE ALL BRICK AND THE ELEVATIONS AND THE TOP RIGHT CORNER SHOW THE ENHANCED ARCHITECTURE FOR THOSE. LASTLY, LIGHTS MOUNTED NEAR THE FRONT ENTRY DOOR REQUIRED AND THIS HAS BEEN CONDITIONED. THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING DOWNCAST LIGHT FIXTURES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. FOR SIGNAGE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DUAL POST SIGN LOCATED AT THREE OF THE ENTRANCES, AND THE SIGNS ALL MEET REQUIREMENTS, AND I WILL HAND IT OVER TO JAY TO GO OVER THE WAIVERS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AS SIERRA STATED, WAIVERS FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT ARE SUBJECT TO THE DECISION MAKING BODY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHEN DEVIATIONS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO HERE ARE THE THE WAIVER CRITERIAS FROM CITY CODE. AND THE FOLLOWING LIST IS OF WAIVERS REQUESTED BY

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ALL RIGHT. SO I UNDERSTAND WAIVER A YOU WANT TO ASK ABOUT WAIVER. B I DON'T KNOW IF I REMEMBER A WHAT WHAT DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION. I YEAH, I WANT TO I WANT TO SORT OF A BETTER EXPLANATION OF THE. SIX BULLET POINT DOWN THIS IDEA THAT THE COMBINATION OF LONG BLOCK LENGTHS AND THE CURVATURE AND THE DESIGN WOULD CREATE A MORE CONTINUOUSLY AND VISUALLY COMPRESSED BUILDING PATTERN. I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT CAN, CAN, MAYBE TOM CAN HELP ON THAT. YEAH. IF I IF AND MAYBE AND IF THERE'S A PICTURE THAT COULD HELP HELP. I LIKE PICTURES. I'M A SIMPLE GUY. YEAH. I LIKE TO LIKE TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND, SET THE STAGE FOR WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WOULD. WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THAT? THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FIRST ONE, THE ENTIRE SITE, OTHER DIRECTION. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER THERE. BUT I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE. THERE'S A LOT TO A LOT OF DETAILS, A LOT TO TAKE IN HERE AND AND, AND A LOT TO IT'S IT'S, IT'S A LOT. SO I'M GLAD WE'RE I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS. THIS ONE. WAS THERE AN AERIAL PHOTO? THERE WE GO. SO NEAL, YOU'LL REMEMBER BACK IN 1998, THIS PARCEL 110 ACRES WAS ZONED AND CALLED THE PARCEL. AT THAT TIME, THE ZONING FOR THAT 108 ACRE PARCEL WAS FOR 294 RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WERE IDENTICAL IN DESIGN AS HAMPSTEAD VILLAGE AND THE WINDSOR NEIGHBORHOOD. THREE YEARS AGO, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT,

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WHAT'S OUT THERE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NEEDS TO BE PREPARED TO TO PLAN FOR? AND THIS PARCEL, THE PARCEL CAME TO THE TOP OF THE LIST. AS A BIG CONCERN FOR THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. IT WOULD. BASED ON THE SCHOOL'S PROJECTIONS, IT WOULD HAVE YIELDED ROUGHLY 200 TO 250 STUDENTS INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THAT ZONING ENTITLEMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THIS 108 108 ACRE PARCEL WERE DEVELOPED AS ANOTHER PHASE OF HAMPSTEAD, IT WOULD YIELD SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTFUL TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE WERE TOLD VERY POLITELY AND CORDIALLY, NEW ALBANY COMPANY, THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY. YOU HAVE THE EXISTING ZONING ENTITLEMENTS ON IT, BUT WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOU TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY. AS A RESULT.

27 WE DID GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND THINK, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE ECONOMICALLY? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WINDFALL FOR THE COMMUNITY. UNQUESTIONABLY NOT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. HERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING OR TWO IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. YES. AND IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO CREATE A VILLAGE CENTER CONSISTENT WITH THE THE VISION OF A VILLAGE CENTER. SO AS A RESULT, 27 ACRES WERE DONATED TO NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER AT THAT TIME, WE ALSO CAME OUT PUBLICLY AND SAID,LL DONATE 15 ACRES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO RELOCATE THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS WHERE THE NEW SCHOOL IS GOING.

LOTS OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND HAPPENED SINCE THEN, BUT THAT WAS THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WAS DONE. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO OR TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. AND WE WERE LEFT. SO WE HAD TO REZONE. AND AS A RESULT, WE REZONED AND SAID ALL 294, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, 300 UNITS WERE GOING TO GO DOWN HERE, BUT THEY WERE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT STANDARD AGAIN AS HAMPSTEAD VILLAGE. WE AGAIN SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PRODUCT TYPE THAT IS GEARED TOWARDS EMPTY NESTERS AND YOUNG PROFESSIONALS. WE VERY QUICKLY MADE TAPPED OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH MI HOMES, WHO HAS DONE A VERY SIMILAR PROJECT IN GRANDVIEW YARD. IF ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT OF OF THIS EXACT PROJECT, IRONICALLY, IF YOU WERE TO, IF YOU WERE TO APPLY THE SCHOOL YIELD PROJECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED IN GRANDVIEW YARD TO THIS PROJECT, IT WILL GENERATE 35 CHILDREN AS OPPOSED TO A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER NUMBER. SO WE GOT REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY AND STARTED DOING OUR HOMEWORK, RIGHT? WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE MI TEAM, THEIR ARCHITECTS, THEIR PLANNERS, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT OUR PARKLAND COMMITMENT AT THAT TIME, THE IDEA OF RELOCATING THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS, THAT WHOLE IDEA MOVED. WE WERE THEN LEFT WITH A 15 ACRE PARK. THAT DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. SO WE AGAIN STEPPED BACK AND SAID, HOW CAN A PARK IN THIS AREA BE WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF THIS LINEAR PARK SYSTEM THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DEVELOPING? BETWEEN TAYLOR FARM PARK AT THE WEST, CONNECTED ALONG THE ROSE RUN THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER. WHAT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING HAPPENING NOW OUTSIDE THE WINDOW, INCLUDING THE EXTENSION OF OF MARKET STREET. SO AS A RESULT, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO A DEDICATION OF 21 ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT ULTIMATELY WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY DEVELOPED OVER TIME, CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE REST OF THE PARK SYSTEM. SO THAT HAS LEFT US WITH A PARCEL OF ROUGHLY 54 ACRES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING TO THAT COLOR SLIDE. NOW, THAT ILLUSTRATES. THANK YOU. THAT ILLUSTRATES A LAYOUT OF THESE ATTACHED TOWNHOMES AND DETACHED ROW HOUSES. THERE IS AN URBAN CENTER CODE THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BUILDING WIDTH AND HEIGHT AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND THE LIKE. WE'VE BEEN BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, TREMENDOUS DETAILED CONVERSATION, NOT ONLY WITH THE CITY ARCHITECTS, BUT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD TO GET THE APPROPRIATE MODIFICATIONS AND AGREEMENT ON

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THEY DO HAVE A PROFILE EXTERIOR MUNTINS AND MULLIONS APPROPRIATE WITH A PROFILE APPROPRIATE BRICK MOLD AROUND IT. IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET THERE, BUT WE FINALLY GOT TO A WINDOW THAT WE WERE HAPPY WITH THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SEEN BEFORE AND AGREED TO THE BALANCE OF THE WAIVERS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, DEALING WITH LOT COVERAGE AND SIDE YARDS AND THE LIKE ARE A RESULT OF A MONTHS LONG NEGOTIATION WITH BOTH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY ARCHITECT AND THE FOLKS AT MI. WE HAVE WE HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT HAS A.

WHAT WE BELIEVE IS AN APPROPRIATE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE CARS COMING AND GOING WITHOUT BREAKING SIDE WINDOWS, SIDE WINDOWS OR MIRRORS, AS WELL AS A SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD SITE PLAN THAT MEETS THE GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS AND NEEDS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. WE VERY QUICKLY WENT THROUGH THIS SLIDE THAT SHOWED SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE TAKEN ON CORNER LOT AND OTHER AREAS THAT, MAKE NO MISTAKE, HAS BEEN PAINSTAKINGLY HANDLED, AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THAT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GIVE THAT CONTEXT. AS WE START LOOKING AT THE VARIANCE, THE VARIOUS WAIVERS AND EXCEPTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS IT RELATES TO THE SITE PLAN. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT EXPLANATION. GOING BACK TO THE I CALL IT THE CORNERSTONE PART. I DON'T KNOW WHY I DO THE STRATEGIES, COOPERATIVE STRATEGIES. IT'S NOT AT ALL. IS IT? COOPERATIVE STRATEGIES? WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER WAS WAS LOADED INTO THAT REPORT FOR THIS PROPERTY 298. I WAS JUST ON A CALL THIS MORNING WITH THE NEW SUPERINTENDENT AND JOE STEFANOV, AS THEY ARE DUSTING THAT OFF. YEAH. WAS IT THE UPDATING IT. YEAH. IN THAT REPORT TODAY IT'S 294 UNITS WITH 0.7 SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN PER HOUSE, WHICH RESULTS IN 200 STUDENTS. SO YOUR YOUR BASIC IT'S NOT THE 0.8 USUAL FOR SINGLE FAMILY, BUT JUST UNDER FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY LOAD FACTOR, 0.7 WAS THE NUMBER THAT THE SCHOOL HAD IT ON IN THEIR REPORT THAT THEY DID THREE YEARS AGO. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD CHANGE THAT IF IT WERE DONE TODAY.

OKAY. THIS PLAN IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHAT THAT WHAT THAT REPORT WILL SAY, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS YEAH, OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN THAT. AND THAT THOSE THAT THE REPORT WASN'T CONTINGENT ON WAS IT ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD DO THIS. THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT BEING SINGLE FAMILY.

OKAY. IF IN ADDITION, WE HAVE 51 LESS UNITS THAN WHAT THE ZONING WOULD PERMIT TODAY. YEAH.

A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WORTH NOTING. AGAIN, THE THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN REZONED SEVERAL TIMES. IF WE GO IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT ARE A SUBDIVISION REGULATION, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PLAN IS 13.4 ACRES, 2400FT■!S PER UNIT, 243 UNITS. T EQUATES TO 13.4 ACRES. WE WILL BE DEDICATING 21 ACRES IN THAT. CHRIS, THERE'S A DIFFERENT SLIDE THAT SHOWS MORE ACCURATELY THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PARK. THAT WILL BE THAT WILL BE DEDICATED. IS THAT THERE? THAT'S IT ON THE BOTTOM. THE GREEN ONE. SO. DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD ON THE BOTTOM OF THE OF THE SCREEN HERE, THIS DARKER GREEN AREA EQUATES TO 21 ACRES. NEIL. THIS IS THE HEADWATERS OF THE ROSE RUN CREEK. THERE WAS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OF 100. YOU REMEMBER CONSERVATION EASEMENT OF 100FT PUT ON THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE THE PLANNING IDEAS THAT THAT THAT WE COULD EXECUTE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS 21 ACRE PARK WITH PATHS AND SIGNAGE. IT'S IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO ME AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS CAN TURN INTO, TO FIT INTO THAT WHOLE NETWORK. AGAIN, MY POINT IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE PARKLAND THAT WE'RE DONATING WELL FOR THIS PROJECT GOES WELL ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS

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SO THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT I CAN GET INTO LATER AS THE CONVERSATION PROGRESSES. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT OUR OPINION IS ON IT, BUT LOTS MORE TO COME ON THIS.

ULTIMATELY, WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WHEN WE HAVE PLATS FOR ROADS AND THE LIKE. BUT IT'S WILDLY EXCITING, INCREDIBLY BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAPPY TO KEEP GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL WALK THROUGH THE WAIVERS AND DO THE QUESTIONS ON WAIVERS. AND I THINK WE'RE AT 22FT AGAIN, WHERE WE WERE. AND I CAN SPEAK ON YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR PEOPLE. DIDN'T REMEMBER. YEAH, I CAN USE DO YOU HAVE A LASER? I CAN USE THIS ONE AS AN EXAMPLE. YEAH. I THINK THE POINT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IS DUE TO THE CURVATURE OF THIS ROAD. IF THOSE END UNITS WERE SO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A CONTINUOUS TOWNHOME ROW. NOW WITH THE 15FT, IT'S MORE BROKEN UP. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE POINT WE WERE MAKING THERE. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. SO IT HELPS CREATE THAT 15 FOOT SIDE YARD. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDINGS THAT THE GROSS BUILDINGS FROM EACH OTHER ON THE CORRECT. YEP. WERE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE 22FT OR THE PERCENTAGE COVERAGE ON THE 22FT? SO OUR STANDARDS 25FT AND WITH 90% MAXIMUM MINIMUM AND 90% COVERAGE. SO IF YOU TOOK THE 10% OFF OF THAT TO GET TO 90, IT WOULD GIVE YOU 22.5FT, WHICH WOULD THEN IN MY MIND, MEET THE INTENT. THERE WERE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE IF WE SAID THAT 22.5 IS REALLY THE BUILDING WIDTH AS A CITY THAT WE WANT, IT FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD BE DEALING WITH THAT DIMENSION. DO YOU MIND IF I ADDRESS THE QUESTION? YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOSH BARKIN WITH MI HOMES, 4131 WORTH AVENUE, COLUMBUS, OHIO 43219. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. AND I GUESS I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AS WELL, LIKE TOM DID. SO ON BEHALF OF MI, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE BACK IN NEW ALBANY, HAVE A REALLY RICH TRADITION OF BUILDING A LOT OF GREAT PROJECTS HERE, AND I'M HERE THIS EVENING MYSELF, JOEL WEST, STEVE PACK, SOME OF OUR ENGAGEMENT TEAM AS WELL TO TALK THROUGH AS MUCH AS THIS IS POSSIBLE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK AT ARB, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF THE CULMINATION OF TWO YEARS OF PLANNING. WE'VE REALLY APPRECIATED OUR WORK WITH STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION HERE, AS WELL AS ARB, THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY TEAM AND THE CITY ARCHITECT TO GET HERE. AND SO WHEN WE STARTED PLANNING THIS, AS TOM KIND OF ALLUDED TO, WAS LIKE, HOW CAN WE BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS IS UNIQUE AND WILL PLAY OFF THE URBAN CENTER CODE REALLY WELL, BUT REALLY OFFER SOMETHING THAT NEW ALBANY DOESN'T HAVE. AND WHILE IT'S CERTAINLY ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ALMOST KIND OF SAW IT AS LIKE TWO POCKET COMMUNITIES WITHIN ONE THAT WOULD PLAY REALLY WELL WITH THE HOSPITAL TO THE NORTH, THE PARK TO THE WEST, AND GO FROM THERE. SO WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF THINGS. THE FIRST WAS WHAT WE CALL OUR CITY COLLECTION, WHICH IS THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES THAT THERE'S JUST OVER 94. THERE'S 94 OF THEM THAT IS ON THE WEST PART OF THE PROJECT. IT'S WHAT WE BUILT IN GRANDVIEW YARD. THE ARCHITECTURE IS MORE GEORGIAN FOR FOR NEW ALBANY, BUT THOSE ARE 22 FOOT WIDE ON 28 FOOT, 28 FOOT LOTS. AND WE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THEM DOWN AT GRANDVIEW YARD. AND IT FOUND THE FOUNDER'S PARK FORMER BATTELLE SITE. AND THOSE HAVE BIG TEN FOOT BASEMENTS, TEN FOOT FIRST FLOOR, NINE FOOT SECOND FLOOR, BIG BRICK WATER TABLE AROUND ALL OF THEM AND FEELS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.

PRIVATE BACKYARDS, REAR LOADING GARAGES. THE OTHER THING WAS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE TOWNHOMES. THIS WAS A PRODUCT THAT WE HADN'T BUILT IN COLUMBUS, BUT WE'RE BUILDING IN IN NAPERVILLE, IN OTHER PARTS OF CHICAGO, IN INDIANAPOLIS AND CINCINNATI. AND WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO BRING IT. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO HERE? THESE TOWNHOMES ARE PRETTY BIG. THEY'RE OVER 2000FT■!S. THREE STORIES WILL BE A NINE THREE NINE FOOT PLATES WILL FEEL REALLY GOOD AS YOU COME UP TO IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE REVIEWED THE CODE. AND I THINK THE ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT ALL OF THE REQUESTS TONIGHT ARE, ARE WAIVER REQUESTS, WHICH ERIN UNDERHILL REMINDS ME ARE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT FROM A VARIANCE. A VARIANCE TALKS ABOUT A LEGAL STANDARD OF A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY. THE WAIVER IS FROM THE URBAN CENTER CODE, WHICH IS A MECHANISM IN THERE THAT IT'S A FORM BASED CODE, THAT IT'S MEANT THAT THERE'S TO BE SOME FLUIDITY IN DESIGN AND THAT IT'S NOT JUST

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CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU JUMPED FROM LIKE WHAT 20? WHAT WAS THE NUMBERS, 2100 TO 2700. SO THE TOWNHOMES ARE WHAT, 2100? YOU SAID IT WOULD GO OVER 22, 2100 TO 2300. THE SINGLE FAMILY WITH THE FINISHED BASEMENTS GO UP TO 2700. IT'S ABOUT SIX INCHES MORE CAUSES.

THAT MUCH MORE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE THREE FEET MORE WITHIN 25FT AND 22FT. WE WERE TALKING. I WAS TALKING 20, 22 TO 22.5, WHICH YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? YEAH, WE DID. JUST THE 22.5 WAS THE 22. IT'S PRETTY STANDARD TO BE AT THE FULL FOOT. THE HALF ON THE END UNITS IS BECAUSE THE BUMP OUT ON THE HIGH VISIBILITY LOTS, AND IT'S REALLY JUST AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THE ENDS THERE. SO SO THE, THE END UNITS, THEY'RE THEY'RE DESCRIBED AS 25, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY 25. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? THEY'RE DESCRIBED AS 25.5 AND THEY ARE 20. I MEAN, THEY ARE MEASURED OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S IN OUR IT'S A BUMP OUT ON THE END UNITS, BUT INSIDE IS STILL THAT SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AS THE INTERIOR UNITS. IS THAT RIGHT. A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THERE. YEAH. SO INTERESTING. OKAY, SO THE END UNITS ARE BIGGER BY, BY DESIGN. BUT YEAH, THE SINGLE FAMILY IS ONLY 22 FOOT. ARE THEY, ARE THEY BIGGER BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OR BIGGER JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE THE END UNITS ARE MEANT TO BE BIGGER IN THE INTERIOR UNIT. WE'RE USING THE WRONG TERM. BIGGER DOESN'T REALLY IS NOT VERY HELPFUL.

YEAH. SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE INTERIOR UNITS THE SAME AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE UNITS? NO IT'S NOT. HOW MUCH BIGGER ARE THE END UNIT? SQUARE IS END UNIT SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN THE INTERIOR UNIT SQUARE FOOTAGE. WELL, HE'S LOOKING THAT UP. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE THE ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS FOR THE LARGER UNITS ON THE END IS BASED ON ARCHITECTURAL RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S THE IT'S THE ROOF FORM, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE TRUSSES, AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO ARTICULATE THOSE END UNITS THAT WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC. RIGHT. BUT BY DEFINITION, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PURCHASERS BECAUSE THERE'S MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THEM. IF YOU NEED IT. I SUSPECT IT WILL BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PURCHASE, BUT ALSO CRITICAL TO A ARCHITECTURAL VOCABULARY OF THE IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. GOT IT. IT'S VERY SIMILAR, IN FACT, TO WHAT WAS DONE AT KESWICK. IF YOU CAN PICTURE THAT IN YOUR MIND'S EYE, THE GABLES TURN ON KESWICK, THE END UNITS, THEY BUMP OUT. I ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO LIVE IN IN 1 IN 1 OF THEM IT'S SLIGHTLY LARGER. AND THAT WAS WAS TWOFOLD. THE RESULT OF THE CHANGE IN THE GEOMETRY OF THE TRUSSES AND THE ABILITY TO GET A SHADOW LINE. SO THE END UNITS ARE ABOUT 300, 350FT■!S BIGGER THAN THE MIDDLE UNIT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE WERE. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHY IS 2020 222 AND GOT IT.

QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO 25FT IS IN IS IN THE DG. IS THAT WHERE THIS COMES FROM FROM FORM BASED CODE. CORRECT. OKAY. NOW THE HARD QUESTION WHY DID THAT SORRY. THIS IS URBAN CENTER CODE URBAN CENTER CODES. WHY WAS THAT NUMBER THE NUMBER RIGHT. I'M WONDERING THE SAME THING. BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT TELLS US WHY A WAIVER IS TRIVIAL OR SUBSTANTIAL IS IF WE KNOW HOW WE GOT TO THE STANDARD. AND THE STANDARD SAYS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A NON-LINEAR CURVE AND SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO PAIN, NO PAIN, NO PAIN. HOW IT PAIN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

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AND IT'S ACTUALLY WHY THE WAIVER PROCESS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE VARIANCE PROCESS.

BECAUSE BASED ON THE DESIGN OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT BUT NEAL'S POINT IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT WAS ALIGHTED ON AFTER MONTHS AND MAYBE YEARS OF CONTEMPLATION AND THOUGHT AND DESIGN AND RESEARCH WAS 25, NOT 22. YEAH. AS AGAIN, AS A GENERAL BASELINE, THERE'S PROBABLY DOZENS OF EXAMPLES WHERE WE DEVIATED FROM THOSE, THOSE LOT IN BUILDING STANDARDS ALL THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE CENTER. CANDIDLY, BASED ON THE DESIRED HOUSING PRODUCT. AND I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE THAT HELPED CREATE THE DESIGN FOR THE VILLAGE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CONTINUOUSLY STRUGGLED WITH IN OUR COMMUNITY IS, IS THIS WHOLE IDEA OF LEGISLATING GOOD DESIGN IS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK, RIGHT? WE CAN PUT FORWARD THE FRAMEWORK THAT THAT MAY MAKE SENSE LOGICALLY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR, BUT INEVITABLY WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH PRODUCT TYPE AND NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN THAT WILL BE IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES MAY, MAY, MAY SAY. I, I DON'T HAPPEN TO BELIEVE THAT THAT MEANS IT'S A POOR DESIGN, BUT RATHER SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE SPECIAL CARE OF WITH PROFESSIONALS LIKE THE CITY ARCHITECTS, LIKE THE CITY PLANNERS TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR MONTHS. SO IN DESIGNING THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THEIR EXPECTATIONS AS WELL AS PERHAPS THE IMPLICATION IS 25FT WORKS.

THAT'S WHY WE DROPPED IT IN THE CODE, BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY SURE THAT WOULD WORK. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY OTHER NUMBERS DON'T ALSO WORK. IT'S NOT EXCLUDING OTHER NUMBERS IF THEY COULD BE JUSTIFIED. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT FOR GOOD. CAUSE YEAH, LIKE TOM IS EXACTLY RIGHT. AND JUST TO ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME REAL, REAL LIFE EXAMPLES, THE MARQUETTE MAIN APARTMENT BUILDING, I THINK I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT NEEDED AT LEAST TEN TO A DOZEN WAIVERS FOR THINGS JUST LIKE THIS. SO FOR AN APPLICATION, THIS, THIS SUBSTANTIAL CANDIDLY, TO HAVE ONLY EIGHT WAIVERS IS PRETTY DARN SIGNIFICANT. SO AND I'M JUMPING AHEAD A BIT, BUT IF WE GO TO THE GARAGE DOOR CONVERSATION, THE TEXT SAYS THAT WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO NARROW, SO IT DOESN'T WORK. IF WE WANTED TO DO TWO SINGLE DOORS, IT STRUCK ME THAT SOME OF THE OTHER WAIVERS ARE DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO FROM 25 DOWN TO 22.

THAT MEANS NOW WE HAVE TO GET A WAIVER OFF THE 25 TO GET TO THE 22. NOW WE HAVE TO GET A WAIVER OFF THE GARAGE SIZE, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL DESIGNED OFF THE 25. AND IT'S KIND OF CASCADES. AND THE ONLY JUSTIFICATION SO FAR FOR FOR THE 22 IS THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR DEVELOPMENT IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY WITH COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AREA OF TOWN. THAT WAS. 22. AND THAT'S THE ONLY AND THERE IS A. 25 IT'S THE CORNER UNITS OR. 25 SO I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF A STRONG JUSTIFICATION FOR FOR US TO MOVE OFF THE. 22 OTHER THAN SOME GENERAL CONCEPTS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BETTER AND, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL AS YOU GO THROUGH THE WAIVER PROCESS, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A VARIANCE PROCESS. IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLUIDITY AS YOU GO THROUGH IT. AND THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC. I MEAN, THEY'RE STANDARDS THAT ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THAT FLUIDITY THAT YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AS YOU GO THROUGH IT. SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE 25FT OR WHATEVER THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE, BUT THE WAIVER PROCESS ALLOWS YOU TO CONSIDER DEVIATIONS FROM THAT, SO LONG AS IT'S MEETING SOME OF THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND CONSIDERATIONS. SO I GUESS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE WAIVER PROCESS, DON'T GET STUCK ON THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THOSE OTHER FACTORS TO ALLOW SOME FLUIDITY. ONE, ONE LAST THING I'VE GOT TO SAY THIS. WE KNEW WE WOULD BE COMING BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR A SERIES OF WAIVERS. WE HAVE, AGAIN, BASED ON THIS THIS MEETING THAT WE HAD THIS MORNING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT A SERIES OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. WE HAVE ENTITLEMENTS TODAY FOR AROUND 650 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT, BUT WE HAVE SPENT MONTHS NOW LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE THINK IS A REASONABLE PRODUCT TYPE IN THESE VARIOUS D DEVELOPMENT ZON? FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE INSIDE OF THE MARKET STREET EXTENSION, THERE ARE TWO DEVELOPMENT ZONES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROSE RUN CREEK, AND YOU LAY THINGS OUT.

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THE OBJECTIVE IS TO DIVERSIFY OUR HOUSING STOCK AND NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I AM CONFIDENT THAT THERE WILL BE DOZENS OF WAIVERS FROM THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO BRING THESE PLANS TO FRUITION. THEY'RE NOT CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND WHEN WE CREATED THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THERE WAS A CLEAR LINE OF DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT AND A ZONING CODE VERSUS A DESIGN GUIDELINE. AGAIN, RELYING ON THE EXPERTISE OF THE CITY PLANNERS AND ARCHITECTS TO HELP US GUIDE US THROUGH THIS. IS IT APPROPRIATE? IS IT NOT APPROPRIATE? THE TWO BAY WIDE GARAGE DOORS IS A COMMON THEME THAT WE HAVE IN SOME CASES VARIED FROM. IN OTHER CASES HAVE NOT, AND I THINK MY OWN HUMBLE OPINION IS THAT AS YOU ARE EVALUATING THIS CASE AND HOPEFULLY MANY MORE TO COME, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THAT TYPE OF LENS, THAT THAT THERE IS WHAT WE NEED YOUR EXPERTISE, WE NEED YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE NEED YOUR CRITIQUE. BUT THERE ARE MANY THAT ARE MUCH MORE ADEPT AT THIS THAN I AM THAT THAT HAVE GOTTEN US TO THE POINT RIGHT HERE. SURE. I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 22FT IN ITSELF. I SUSPECT THAT LIKE PEOPLE DESIGNING INTERIORS ARE SAYING, OKAY, I'VE GOT THIS MINUTE'S SPACE AND HERE'S HOW IT LAYS OUT IN MY ROOF LINES AND ALL THAT FORM AND THE APPEARANCE FROM THE FROM THE PUBLIC ROAD THAT THE LAYOUT OF THE INTERIORS, THIS ALL HAVE ONE THING. SO MOST OF WHAT'S IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, WHETHER IT'S KESWICK OR RICHMOND SQUARE FROM THE STREET, READS AS TWO STORIES. THEY MAY HAVE THE BASEMENT OFF THE BACK, BUT THESE ARE ALL THREE STORIES. TRUE, TRUE STORIES SLAB UP. SO YOU HAVE YOU HAVE ONE UNIT, AN INTERIOR THAT'S OVER 2100FT■!S. IN THE END, UNITS THAT ARE OVER 2400. I MEAN, THESE ARE BIG UNITS WE BUILD. YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE 12TH BIGGEST BUILDER IN THE COUNTRY, BUILT MORE TOWNHOME PRODUCT THAN ANYBODY ACROSS THE MIDWEST AND THE SOUTHEAST, THAT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE SIZE FOR SOMETHING. TO THAT END, I KNOW THAT THE CODE IS ONE THING, BUT HAVE WE CERTAINLY, LIKE TOM SAID, HAVE READ IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T LET THE CODE GET IN THE WAY OF GOOD PLANNING AND GOOD. SO 22FT. LET. LET'S PUT A PIN IN 22FT AND SAY FOR NOW WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO IT. UNLESS, OF COURSE, SOME OTHER DISCUSSION SAYS CAN'T FIT IT IN 22FT, THEN WE'LL REVISIT IT. SO SHALL WE GO ON TO THE NEXT WAIVER? THANK YOU. SO WAIVER.

SEE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ALLOW SMALL SURFACE PARKING AREAS TO NOT BE LOCATED BEHIND PRIMARY BUILDINGS. SO THE APPLICANT PROPOSES EIGHT SMALL SATELLITE PARKING AREAS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. THE PARKING AREAS ARE SMALL IN SIZE AND ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TO MINIMIZE THEIR VISUAL PRESENCE WHILE PROVIDING CONVENIENT VISITOR PARKING. THE PARKING AREAS ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE SITE'S DESIGN WITH LANDSCAPING, STREET TREES AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT WILL HELP SCREEN THE PARKING LOT FROM THE PUBLIC STREETS. THE INTENT OF THE REQUIRED. THE INTENT OF REQUIRING PARKING TO BE LOCATED BEHIND PRIMARY BUILDINGS IS TO MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT OF VEHICLES AND PRESERVE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED STREETSCAPE. ALTHOUGH THE PARKING AREAS ARE NOT ENTIRELY LOCATED BEHIND BUILDINGS, THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD BY LIMITING THE SIZE OF EACH PARKING AREA, INCORPORATING LANDSCAPING AND ENSURING GARAGES AND DRIVEWAYS REMAIN AS THE PRIMARY PARKING SPACES FOR THE RESIDENTS.

ADDITIONALLY, THE DESIGN SUPPORTS THE THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN BY PROMOTING A WALKABLE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE ALSO REDUCING WAYFINDING FOR VISITORS. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE SMALL PARKING LOTS. IF NONE OF THEM ARE VISIBLE FROM THE PARKWAY OR MILLER AVENUE, THEN IF WE MADE IT A CONDITION TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. RIGHT. JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE KEEPING THEM HIDDEN FROM THOSE TWO STREETS. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS ARE IN THE VISITOR PARKING LOTS? TOTAL. OH, SORRY. 52. 52. HIDING THE WAIVER PARKING FROM. AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ROAD? MILLER AVENUE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE INTENTIONALLY, ON ALL THESE UNITS, MADE SURE THERE WAS 18 FOOT DRIVEWAYS

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CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING ON STREET? IS IT I'M LOOKING AT THIS STREET PLAN RIGHT NOW. I HOPE THAT WE GET TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DRIVING AROUND HERE AND HOW PEOPLE GET TO THEIR HOUSES. ARE THERE OTHER STREET PARKING IN THE ALLEYS OR JUST THE MAIN STREETS? OKAY, JUST THE MAIN STREET DRIVEWAYS ARE DEEP ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING WITHIN THE DRIVEWAY, YEAH, PARKE ALLEY. ONE OF THE THERE WAS A DECENT AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT WHEN WE WERE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DOUBLE BAY, DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOORS, I THINK IT WAS TALKED ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH IN WINDSOR. YEAH. THOSE ARE, I BELIEVE, 12FT IN WIDTH. THESE ALLEYS ARE 20FT IN WIDTH. OKAY.

THAT THAT DIMENSION WAS A RESULT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD SUFFICIENT PARKING BEHIND THE UNITS TO ACCOMMODATE ON STREET PARKING, AS I MENTIONED, THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL AS THE FIRE TRUCK, FIRE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE LEARNED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE WAY WE LOOK AT SITE CIRCULATION AND DELIVERY OF SERVICES, AS WELL AS HAVING PARTIES AND FUNCTIONS, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT THE PARKING THAT IS ACCOMMODATED IN RICHMOND SQUARE AND KESWICK IS NOT SUFFICIENT, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY OF THOSE USES DON'T ALLOW PARKING IN THE ALLEY, ON THE DRIVEWAY. AND WITH JUST THE LOGISTICS OF TODAY'S LIFESTYLE, WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE ALL KINDS OF DELIVERY SERVICE TYPES OF THINGS. THAT'S WHAT DROVE THE IDEA OF HAVING ADDITIONAL PARKING STALLS SO THAT ON STREET PARKING, GUESTS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. BUT SO CAN WE HAVE EXPANDED BEYOND THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE REALITIES OF THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE IN CERTAIN AREAS. WHAT DROVE THE SELECTION OF THE LOCATIONS OF THE ON STREET OR THE EXTRA PARKING LOTS? HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CONSIDERATIONS DROVE THE DECISION WHERE THE WHERE THESE WERE LOCATED? SO. TO THE MIC. SO BACK TO THE MIC PLEASE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK, MAKE SURE YOU'RE TALKING INTO THE MIC. SO FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE PARKING REALLY IN FRONT OF ALL OF THE UNITS HERE. THE ONLY ONES YOU DON'T IS DOWN HERE. SO THAT KIND OF DICTATED IT. THEN THE OTHER WAS JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF IN SOME OF THE AREAS. SO HERE THERE ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE BIT OF THERE IS SOME PARKING IN THE ALLEYS IN CERTAIN AREAS. SO YOU COULD SEE THE ORANGE HERE, THE ORANGE HERE AND ALL THROUGHOUT THERE. AND THEN THERE'S PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD. WE KIND OF JUMPED RIGHT INTO THIS. BUT THE BOULEVARD IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS COMMUNITY AND WHAT IT LIVES. AND IT FEELS THAT YOU COME HERE THAT THAT REALLY IS THE CENTERPIECE, THAT TIES IT ALL TOGETHER AND LEADS YOU INTO THE PARK, WHICH WILL BE A GREAT COMMUNITY FEATURE AND FEEL REALLY GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS. SO I'M NOT SURE I HEARD AN ANSWER MY QUESTION. SO WHAT CONSIDERATIONS DROVE THE DECISION TO LOCATE THE PARKING AND EACH ONE OF THE SPACES WHERE IT WAS? WITHIN MY HOMES. SO PRIMARILY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN THE DETACHED SECTION, WHAT DROVE IT WAS WE WERE TRYING TO GET PARKING IN FRONT OF INCONVENIENT PARKING IN FRONT OF AS MANY UNITS AS POSSIBLE, THESE BEING KIND OF DETACHED FROM EDGEHILL BOULEVARD AND THESE FRONTING ON THE OPEN SPACE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ON STREET PARKING. SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE LOCATED HERE AND HERE. THEY ALSO SERVED DOUBLE DUTY AS OUR PARKING SPACES FOR OUR CLUSTER BOX MAIL UNITS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE POST OFFICE NOW.

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WHAT? WHERE HAVE YOU DONE? TALK THROUGH AN EXAMPLE. YES, YES. JUST PUT IT ON THE. YES. THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. JOSH. I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION MADE IT TO THE MIC.

THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT IN THE PAST WE'VE USED JUST ADDITIONAL HARDWARE TO MAKE IT APPEAR LIKE A DOUBLE OR A TWO INDIVIDUAL GARAGE DOORS. AND THAT IS THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S

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I'M JUST SAYING. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS WAIVER. AND THEN IF NOT, WE CAN GO AHEAD. AND I HAVE ONE COMMENT. GO AHEAD. YEAH. ONCE THE APPLICANTS. SO ON THE THE THERE'S A COMMENT IN THERE ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THIS WITH THE WIDER NINE FOOT DOORS.

AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IF THAT, IF YOU THINK IT'S A STRUCTURALLY OR IS IT MORE A PROPORTIONALITY OR WHAT'S THE CONCERN FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO DO TWO DOORS. IT IS RELATED TO.

AGAIN, WE. LESSONS LEARNED. THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS IN NEW ALBANY THAT HAVE DOUBLE BAY WIDE GARAGE DOORS AND VERY SHORT DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE EXTRAORDINARILY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF TURNING RADIUSES. OUR DRIVEWAYS ARE SLIGHTLY DEEPER HERE TO ACCOMMODATE ON STREET PARKING, BUT THE GEOMETRY OF THE ALLEYS IS ACTUALLY QUITE TIGHT. IT'S A FUNCTIONALITY. IT'S A IT'S A RESULT OF WHAT IS MOST FUNCTIONAL FOR ENTERING AND EXITING CARS IN AND OUT OF DRIVEWAYS AS I. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED DOUBLE BAY WIDE GARAGE DOORS WHEN THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AS OPPOSED TO THE INDIVIDUAL ONES. TYPICALLY THE INDIVIDUAL GARAGE DOORS ARE ON SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. WHICH IS OUR. THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. THESE ARE DETACHED HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY ON ON, ON LOTS THAT ARE 100FT WIDE OR 80FT WIDE. AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT HAD WE DEVELOPED THIS PARCEL AS OUR ZONING ENTITLEMENT PERMITTED. YEAH. IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP, WE WERE ALLOWED, HAD WE CHOSEN TO DEVELOP THIS AS HAMPSTEAD VILLAGE, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPE, FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT, PROBABLY ENTIRELY TOO MUCH. WHAT I'M MOST WORRIED ABOUT IS NOT THE APPLICATION BEFORE US TONIGHT. I'M CERTAIN WE'LL FIND A WAY TO TO WORK THROUGH THIS, BUT WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PROPERTY IN THE VILLAGE CENTER TO DEVELOP THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT. RESIDENTIALLY THAT WILL BE IN CONFLICT WITH DOZENS OF, OF, OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE. AND IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A JUSTIFICATION WITH THE CITY ARCHITECTS, THE CITY PLANNERS, THE CITY ADMINISTRATION COME TO CONCLUSION AND THEN COME TO THIS BOARD AND GO THROUGH A SIMILAR DIALOG, SOMETIMES THE ORAL AGREEMENT, SOMETIMES THERE WON'T BE DISAGREEMENT. I'M FEARFUL OF WHAT THAT THERE WE GO. YES. WE'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. I'VE BEEN ASKED THAT AARON HAD ASKED FOR A MINUTE OF OUR TIME. SO GO AHEAD AARON. THANK YOU. AARON UNDERHILL, WALTON PARKWAY HERE IN NEW ALBANY, ATTORNEY FOR THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY AND MI HOMES. I WAS SET TO MOVE THIS THING UP.

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NOW, ADMITTEDLY, AND STAFF WAS VERY CLEAR, THE ARB. THEY WEREN'T WEIGHING IN ON THAT DECISION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS TEXT IS WRITTEN. BUT I WILL ASK YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THERE. B DID UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF OF THIS PLAN, EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY DEALING WITH THOSE THINGS INDIVIDUALLY. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO THE EXPERTISE ON THAT BOARD, WHICH THERE ARE A LOT OF ARCHITECTS BEING FAVORABLE TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF LAY THAT CONTEXT FOR YOU AS YOU CONSIDER THE THE WAIVERS ONE BY ONE. YEAH. SO IF IF THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT'S BEEN DONE TO FIGURE THIS ONE OUT HAD BEEN READY TO GO AT THE TIME OF ZONING, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE NOW ARGUING THIS STUFF BECAUSE WE'D HAVE CODIFIED IT IN ZONING.

THAT'S EXACTLY WITH THE P D YOU'VE GOT ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAD TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SORT OF DEFAULT TO THAT WOULD TO TOM'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT IMPACTED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SO MUCH. AND OUR BEST GUESS AT THE TIME WAS TO DEFER TO THE URBAN CENTER CODE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. THE WAY I READ THE STAFF REPORT, IS THERE SORT OF FOUR FACTORS THAT WE CONSIDER ON THE

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YEAH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT YET, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE PARKING IN FRONT POINT THAT THERE'D BE BASICALLY PARKING LOT AND THEN SOME GREEN SPACE AND THEN A ROADWAY, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT SEEMS TO ME THAT HITS ALL FOUR OF THOSE FACTORS PRETTY WELL. BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL GET TO THAT MOMENTARILY. THANKS, MR. WEAVER E. ALL RIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT THAT SHUTTERS, WHEN USED ON A BUILDING ELEVATION OF A HOME, MUST BE USED ON ALL WINDOWS OF THAT ELEVATION. THIS WAIVER REQUEST APPEARS ON ONE OF THE THREE BALDWIN HOME DESIGNS. THE INTENT OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS TO ENSURE THAT IF SHUTTERS ARE USED FOR AN ELEVATION THAN ALL WINDOWS ON THAT ELEVATION HAVE SHUTTERS AND IS COHESIVE IN THE DESIGN. THE PROPOSED BALDWIN HOUSE DESIGN INCLUDES A SMALL WINDOW, WHICH IS PROPORTIONATELY PROPORTIONALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE MAIN WINDOWS ON THE ELEVATION, WHICH ALREADY DISTINGUISHES A UNIQUE AND INDEPENDENT ELEMENT. THE CITY ARCHITECT HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL AND IS STATING THAT THE ADDITION OF A SHUTTER ON THE SMALL WINDOW WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE DESIGN. THE REQUEST APPEARS TO PROVIDE THE MOST ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE DESIGN, CONSIDERING THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE BALDWIN HOME DESIGN IS PROPOSED. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED AN INDIVIDUAL WINDOW DESIGN SEPARATE FROM THE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOME, AND THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE SMALLER IN SIZE, AND THE USE OF SHUTTERS IN THIS LOCATION CAN VISUALLY, VISUALLY COMPROMISE THE ARCHITECTURAL INTENT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE WINDOWS POSITION ON THE BUILDING WOULD NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SPACE TO PLACE SHUTTERS ON BOTH SIDES, SO THE TWO OPTIONS AVAILABLE ARE TO REMOVE THE WINDOW ON THAT ELEVATION, OR TO HAVE THE WINDOW WITHOUT THE SHUTTER, AND STAFF WOULD PREFER PREFER THE WINDOW IN PLACE OF A BLANK FACADE. THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING'S. I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO IF YOU HAVE A DOOR AND IN YOUR DOOR FRAME, YOU HAVE SIDE WINDOWS IN THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE DOOR, THEY COUNT AS A WINDOW, RIGHT? SO DOOR NEXT TO THE DOOR IS THE WINDOW THAT YOU LOOK OUT AND SEE. IS THAT THE UPS GUY? I SEE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND UNDER OUR CODE THAT MEANS A SHUTTER. IF ANY WINDOW ON THE FRONT ELEVATION HAS A HAS A SHUTTER, THEN YOUR LITTLE SIDE WINDOWS BY THE DOOR WOULD NEED SHUTTERS TOO. AND THIS IS SAYING MAYBE NOT EVERYWHERE. CORRECT. OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF THE WAIVER, CAN WE NAIL THAT DOWN TO BE LIKE SMALL WINDOW, NOT LIKE THE OTHERS OR NOT ONE OF THE MOST COMMON WINDOWS OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THIS AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE, IS THE INTENT. EVEN THOUGH THE WAIVER ITSELF IS FULLY GENERAL. SO YOU'RE SAYING ADJUST THE WAIVER REQUEST OR HAVE IT AS CONDITION NINE. IN MY LIST OF THIS REFERS TO LIKE SMALL WINDOWS THAT ARE ONE OF THESE IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS SITUATIONS. I SEE. YOU KNOW, I ONLY HAVE I THINK THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE LIKE YOU'D SEE IN THE COUNTRY CLUB WHERE WE HAVE CUSTOM HOMES, AS WE'RE SHOWING YOU EXACTLY ALL THE ELEVATIONS AND MODELS WE'RE

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THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO. YEAH, I MEAN, THIS, THIS WAIVER MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE AS I KIND OF PUT IT. NO SHUTTERS ON A WINDOW IS BETTER THAN NO WINDOW AT ALL. SO TO ME, IT FITS ALL FOUR OF THE FACTORS YOU KNOW VERY WELL GENERALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME TOO. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON LAUNDRY. SORRY, SORRY. YEAH, THIS ONE MAKES SENSE TO ME AS WELL. ON THE EXCEPT I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THE LONGER ROW. I MEAN, THE TOWNHOMES WHERE YOU HAVE BRICK IN THE CENTER SECTION. AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT UP THERE, BUT IT'S IF YOU CAN GET TO THAT ELEVATION OF THE ROW, THE TOWNHOMES, THERE ARE SHUTTERS ON ALL THE BRICK PORTIONS OF THE ELEVATION EXCEPT IN THE CENTER SECTION ON THE FIRST LEVEL. THANK YOU. AND I'M CURIOUS OF WHY WE COULDN'T PUT THE SHUTTERS. LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE THE REQUIREMENT SHOULD BE AT LEAST ALL THE BRICK. IF IT'S ON BRICK, IT SHOULD BE ON ALL THE WINDOWS, ON THE BRICK. IF IT'S ON, IF IT'S NOT ON THERE, THEN IT'S NOT, BUT NOT SOME AND NOT AND NOT OTHERS. SO IF YOU LIKE, IF YOU ZOOM IN TO THAT CENTER BRICK SECTION, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM OR NOT, BUT THERE ARE NO SHUTTERS ON THAT FIRST LEVEL. AND I'M CURIOUS OF WHY. SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. I BELIEVE IN THE URBAN CENTER OR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS. THAT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR TOWNHOMES. SURE. BUT BUT THERE'S THE RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU DO HAVE SHUTTERS, YOU WOULD HAVE IT ON EVERY WINDOW ON THAT FACADE, IF I MAY. I'M FINE WITH IT NOT BEING ON THE LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE VINYL AND THERE'S NO SHUTTERS THERE BECAUSE THAT'S CONSISTENT PER BUILDING, RIGHT? IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT PICTURE.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIVE BUILDINGS. THREE OF THEM HAVE SHUTTERS. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. AND SO OF ANY INDIVIDUAL BUILDING, IF UNLESS I'M MISREADING THE DIAGRAM, THE THREE WITH SHUTTERS HAVE SHUTTERS EVERYWHERE. AND THE THREE AND THE TWO WITHOUT SHUTTERS DON'T HAVE SHUTTERS ANYWHERE THAT THE MIDDLE ONE'S MISSING IT ON THE FIRST LEVEL.

OH IS IT. YEAH, THAT'S MY POINT. OKAY. THAT'S DIFFERENT APPLIED TO THE TOWN. I THINK THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE TOWN. IT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN WHAT I WAS THINKING. IT SAYS THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO PUT THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. BUT IF YOU DO DO IT, THEY SHOULD BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE FACADE. THAT'S MY THE CODE ITSELF IS THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT DOES FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS. CAN YOU GIVE ME ONE SECOND WHILE I LOOK FOR THAT? SO EITHER. EITHER THAT ELEVATION DOESN'T ISN'T IN COMPLIANCE WITH ONE. ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I'M NOT CONVINCED THERE'S ROOM FOR SHUTTERS TO GO ON THE WINDOWS OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF OF THAT THAT BRICK UNIT IN THE MIDDLE. ONE THING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SHUTTERS IS THAT THE DIMENSION OF THE SHUTTERS ARE IN PROPORTION TO THE WIDTH OF THE WINDOW, SO THAT THEY, THEY WOULD TRADITIONALLY DESIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE THEY WOULD COVER THE WINDOW BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE PORCH AND, AND THE DIMENSION WITH THE WIDTH OF THAT UNIT. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ROOM WE COULD. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT I SUSPECT THAT'S WHY THERE IS NOT. YOU COULD PUT A SHUTTER ON IT, BUT IT WOULD BE. IF YOU WOULD DO THAT, WE COULD DO IT TO MEET THE TO TO MEET YOUR REQUEST, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS SUFFICIENT WIDTH FOR THE SHUTTERS TO BE THE APPROPRIATE SIZE. IT LOOKS CLOSE, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT COULD BE DONE IN THERE. LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION THEN ON THAT CENTER ELEVATION ON THAT FIRST FLOOR, THERE ARE SOME HORIZONTAL LINES IN THE BRICK PATTERN WHICH ARE NOT ABOVE. AND IS THAT JUST A THE SAME BRICK JUST TURNED. I GUESS I'M CURIOUS OF WHAT THOSE. IT'S HARD TO SEE ITS BANDING. THE BANDING. IT'S A. IT'S A BRICK. THAT. THE PATTERNING OF THE BRICK. THE BRICK IS. IT'S. YEAH.

SO IT CREATES A BANDS IN IT. RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, THAT CREATES A DIFFERENT LOOK THAN THE TWO FLOORS ABOVE, WHICH THEN MAKES ME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GO WITH. YES. YES. IF THAT BANDING WENT AWAY, I WOULD THEN GO BACK TO MY INITIAL COMMENT WITH THE BAND IN THERE. I THINK IT'S FINE. YEAH WE ARE. WE ARE CAUTIOUS WHEN WE LOOK AT

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IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S WRONG, WHEN YOU SEE IT, BUT IT TAKES IT TAKES A PRETTY WELL TRAINED ARCHITECT TO POINT TO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED TO MAKE IT LOOK CORRECT. THE IDEA THAT SHUTTERS THERE'S A HOUSE THAT'S OKAY TO SAY THIS.

THERE'S A HOUSE ON FENWAY ROAD WHERE THEY REPLACED THE SHUTTERS, AND THEY REPLACED THE SHUTTERS WITH THE WRONG WIDTH. THEY'RE THEY'RE LIKE LITTLE EYEBROWS ON EITHER SIDE.

THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE SIZE. AND IT STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE CAREFUL OF WITH WITH THIS. I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION OR NOT. YEAH. YOU ARE. AND THIS THIS ELEVATION WITH THE BANDING. I'M GOOD WITH THE I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT. THE SIX UNIT FRONT ELEVATION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN FIND THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE WHICH PAGE IT'S ON, BUT IF WE GO I HAVE IT UP. YEP.

OH YOU GOT IT. SO THIS ALSO HAS THE BANDING WHICH I THINK IS GOOD ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT'S GOT A HEADER WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST A RECTANGULAR HEADER ON THE WINDOWS ABOVE THE WINDOWS.

YES. AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR IT'S GOT THE SAME HEADER ON THE THIRD FLOOR. IT'S GOT MORE OF THAT PATTERN. IT'S LIKE A IT'S GOT AN ANGLE ON THERE. AND SO IF YOU WERE TAKING THE LANGUAGE, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR WITH THAT MORE BRICK PATTERN ABOVE IT. SO IT FEELS THE SAME. AND THEN THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD HAVE THE MORE HORIZONTAL. YEAH.

YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT THE THIRD FLOOR WINDOWS ARE SHORTER THAN THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR. SO THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAT WAY. OKAY. THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAT WAY. AND THAT'S IN FACT INTENTIONAL AS WELL AS THE JACK ARCHES AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF JACK ARCHES.

I'M GOING TO GET I'M GOING TO STOP BECAUSE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD REVIEWED IT AND THEY'RE GOOD. I'M, I'M FINE WITH IT. AND I DO HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. SO IN THE DG, IT DOES SAY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT THEY SHALL BE USED ON ALL WINDOWS OF THE ELEVATION. THE TOWNHOMES DOES NOT HAVE THAT SENTENCE IN THERE. OKAY. AS WE TALKED THROUGH IT, I AM GOOD WITH WHAT YOU GOT. OTHERS ON E. PRIMARY HOME ENTRANCES TO OPEN SPACE OR PARKLAND RATHER THAN THE STREET? YEP. SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A WAIVER TO ALLOW PRIMARY HOME ENTRANCES TO FACE OPEN SPACE OR PARKLAND RATHER THAN A STREET. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT DESIGN IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AND THE OPTION FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS TO HAVE HOMES FRONTING OPEN SPACE FORTIFIES THE STRATEGIC PLANS GOAL AND PROVIDING DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE CITY. ALTHOUGH SOME. ALTHOUGH SOME HOMES WILL NOT FACE ONTO A STREET, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS FOR ALL UNITS, WHICH MEETS THE INTENT OF PROVIDING CONNECTIVITY TO THE HOMES. THE INTENT OF THE DDR REQUIREMENT IS TO ENSURE THAT HOMES HAVE ADEQUATE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, ACCESS, CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS VIA A ROADWAY. HOWEVER, WITH THE HOMES BEING PROPOSED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA HAVING ROADS IN THESE LOCATIONS COULD COMPROMISE THE DESIGN INTENT AND COULD PRESENT AN UNDESIRABLE HOME. WITH THE NEW GARDEN PARKWAY BEING A MAJOR ROADWAY TO THE NORTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT, HAVING AN ADDITIONAL ROADWAY BETWEEN THE UNITS AND THE ROAD WOULD PRESENT THE AREA WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER. THE SITE ALONG THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN EDGES HAVE CONSTRAINTS DUE TO ROADS RUN CREEK, THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR AND STEEP GRADING, AS THESE CONSTRAINTS HAVE LIMITED THE APPLICANT'S ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENTS.

THEY HAVE DESIGNED THE SITE TO ENHANCE THESE CONSTRAINTS BY PROVIDING A UNIQUE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT WILL CONTINUE UPHOLDING ITS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGH SIDEWALKS, CONNECTING TO THE FRONT DOORS OF EACH UNIT AND FIT THE VILLAGE CENTERS URBAN ENVIRONMENT. DUE TO THE SITE SPECIFIC CONSTRAINTS, THE WAIVER APPEARS NECESSARY DUE TO REASONS OF FAIRNESS. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE MOST ADEQUATE DESIGN AND IS INTEGRATED WALKABILITY TO THE FRONT OF THE HOMES TO KEEP THE VILLAGE CENTERS URBAN QUALITY

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SO YOU CAN SEE ON THERE, WE WERE VERY INTENTFUL AT MAKING SURE THAT WE CONNECTED ALL OF THE WALKS AROUND THE UNITS, OKAY. ESPECIALLY THE TOWNHOMES BECAUSE YOU'RE ENTERING THOSE.

YEAH. AND ARE THOSE LITTLE RED HATCH THINGY, IS THAT A PARKING THOSE ONE OF THOSE PARKING STRUCTURES RIGHT THERE? YEAH, HERE. AND THAT'S WHERE HE'S GOING TO GO. YEAH. THAT'S

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SO IF SOMEBODY CAME WITH, SAY, A PIZZA DELIVERY GUY COULD PARK STILL IN THE IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN FIND THE WALK TO GET TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND CERTAINLY SIGNAGE I THINK IS, IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT. SO, SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT KIND OF SIGNAGE RUNNING AFOUL OF OUR SIGN CODE? LIKE THIS WAY THE UNIT 402. NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNREGULATED SIGNAGE POSSIBLY. YEAH. OR DIRECTION. BUT NO, WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS THAT I STRUGGLE WITH THAT NOT HAVING A STREET ON IT. THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT. HE TALKS ABOUT TREE LINED ROADS AND BRINGING CONNECTIVITY AND STUFF.

AND WHEN YOU TAKE A SIDEWALK AND YOU PUT IT THROUGH SOMEBODY'S FRONT YARD, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THAT CONNECTIVITY. PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO GO AND JUST LIKE THEY TAKE THEIR WALK AT NIGHT OR TAKE THEIR DOG OUT, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE CUT OFF A SECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THAT WHOLE STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU KNOW WHAT WE TALK ABOUT NEW ALBANY TO BE AND WHAT WE ARE.

AND IF YOU TOOK AND SHIFTED THAT ROW OF HOUSES OVER TO THE RIGHT, I KNOW YOU'D LOSE TWO HOUSES, BUT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE ROAD AND BRING A ROAD CONNECTIVITY THERE. SO THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. AND IT ALSO IS A SAFETY FACTOR IN MY MIND AND THAT YOU, IF YOU HAVE A ROAD GOING BY AND YOU'RE WALKING ALONG, IT FEELS SAFER THAN IF YOU'RE IN A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE THAT'S NOT VERY WELL LIT. SO I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE. YEAH, YEAH, I, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE, WE, I'VE KIND OF CONSIDERED THIS WITH THE DETACHED BUILDINGS TO KIND OF BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT LIVING WHERE A LOT OF TIMES THAT PARKING IS IN A LOT BEHIND THE UNIT AND YOU HAVE TO STILL WALK THROUGH AND, AND TAKE A SIDEWALK TO GET TO THE FRONT OF THE UNITS. WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH STAFF. WE, WE PRESENTED SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF A SIMILAR CONDITIONS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES THAT KIND OF ILLUSTRATED THAT. AND I THINK THE INTENT HERE AGAIN, WAS TO CREATE A COMPLEMENTARY PEDESTRIAN NETWORK AROUND THESE UNITS INSTEAD OF WITH THE SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE, PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT THAT WE COULD WITH FOR, FOR THOSE UNITS SPECIFICALLY, AND AGAIN, ROUTING THEM ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THROUGH THOSE STREETS TO GET THERE. I'M AND I'M GOING TO GET TO THE TOWNHOMES NEXT, BUT CAN WE FOCUS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE FAR LEFT? AND JUST MY CONCERNS AROUND THAT ONE, THE ONE ON THE FAR LEFT THAT REALLY GOES TO THE WETLANDS OVER THERE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO NOT GET THAT. BUT ALSO IT'S JUST IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT'S EASY TO BE DISTINCT FROM THE PROJECT. AND THE GOAL WAS TO REALLY OFFER SOMETHING UNIQUE AND DISTINCT THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD OVER THAT PARK. AND THAT HERE. I REMEMBER WHEN THEY COME OUT THE FRONT DOOR, THEY ARE STEPPING INTO A LARGE PART OF THE PARK. WHILE THIS WOULD BE NOT PART OF THE CITY PARK, IT WILL ALL FLOW TOGETHER, BEAUTIFUL TREES, AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT TO A GRASSY AREA. AND YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TRADITIONAL FRONT YARDS IN THE SENSE THAT BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION, I DISAGREE. I THINK IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AND I THINK IT'S A LACK OF CONNECTIVITY. SO I'M I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE? BECAUSE YOU'RE WALKING ON THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO WALK ON THAT SIDEWALK AT NIGHT. IF I HAVE MY DAUGHTER GOING THERE AND SHE GETS OFF LATE FROM WORK AND SHE'S GOING TO ARRIVE AT 11:00 AT NIGHT, AND SHE HAS TO WALK WHERE THERE'S NOT A STREET IN FRONT, WHICH IT FEELS LIKE THERE COULD BE MORE TRAFFIC. IT'S NOT IT FEELS MORE ISOLATED OR SOMEBODY IS HIDING IN THAT AREA. I, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. YEAH. I MEAN, IT IS PART OF THE URBAN CENTER CODE, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS MEANT TO BE MORE OF AN URBAN LIVING ENVIRONMENT. I CERTAINLY HAVE LIVED DOWN IN GERMAN VILLAGE AND VILLAGE, OTHER AREAS AS WELL. BUT THAT, I MEAN, IT WILL BE LIT UP. WE WILL HAVE LIGHTS THERE. YOU WILL HAVE PARKING AS WELL THAT I GUESS WE CERTAINLY ARE WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY AS MUCH AS AS ANYBODY.

IT ISN'T OUR INTENT TO CREATE THAT, BUT THIS AND MORE OF AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT. WE SEE IT

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SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOUR YOUR POINT, BUT I WE DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.

TALK ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE LIT. TALK ABOUT HOW THAT SIDEWALK IS GOING TO BE LIT, PLEASE. IT'S GOING TO BE LIT. SO WE'LL HAVE LIGHTS ON THE FRONT OF EVERY HOUSE THAT WILL, WILL ILLUMINATE IT. SO WE HAVE THIS EXACT SAME SCENARIO IN HARRISON WEST WHERE THE PATEL PROJECT IS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT IN FOUNDERS PARK, AND THE 16 UNITS FRONT UP ON THE PARK, THERE'S A LITTLE GREEN SPACE AND THEN THE BIKE PATH THAT RUNS THROUGH FROM DOWNTOWN TO CAMPUS AND THE LIGHTING ON THE HOUSES ILLUMINATES IT JUST FINE. THIS CONDITION ALSO EXISTS IN THE LANDSDOWNE SUBDIVISION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHFIELD. YEAH, YEAH. SO WHICH. WAY DOES YOUR POINT RELATE TO THE OPEN SPACE SPACE AND OPEN SPACE? GOT IT. OKAY.

THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO FACE OPEN SPACE. OTHERS ON THAT. OKAY I SEE ALL RIGHT G SO THEN IT KIND OF I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CAN'T BACK ONTO OPEN SPACE CAN'T ON THE OPEN SPACE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT GETS A LITTLE DIFFICULT IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS, RIGHT? SO WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE TENETS OF THE COMMUNITY IS NOT TO BACK ONTO OPEN SPACE, BUT NOT TO FRONT ON AN OPEN SPACE OF THIS MAGNITUDE SEEMS LIKE A LOST OPPORTUNITY. YEAH. AND SO CAN WE GO THEN I'LL GO TO THE WE DIDN'T GET TO THE TOWNHOUSE, SO I'LL GO TO THAT NEXT. SO THE HOUSE, THE TOWNHOUSES THAT DON'T GO, THAT DON'T HAVE A ROAD IN FRONT OF THEM. DID YOU, WHEN YOU WERE REVIEWING THIS WITH THE STAFF AND EVERYTHING. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT M I DID AT GRANDVIEW YARDS AND WHERE THE TOWNHOMES WERE MORE LIKE A U SHAPE, AND THERE WAS A SIDEWALK DIRECTLY OFF THE STREET, AND YOU COULD THEN GET TO THEM FROM THE STREET DIRECTLY VERSUS HAVING TO GO AROUND. WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WERE SO WE DIDN'T BUILD TOWNHOMES AT. OH, YOU DIDN'T. OKAY, SO SOMEBODY DID. AND THAT WAS THE WAY THEY DID IT. AND THEY HAD WALKS RIGHT OFF THE STREET. YES. THEY HAD A THEY HAD THEY HAD THEM ON EACH SIDE. RIGHT. THERE WAS TWO SETS OF TOWNHOMES. AND YOU'D WALK DOWN THE STREET AND ON THE SIDEWALK RIGHT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, THERE WAS ONE THAT WENT DOWN AND THEN HAD ENTRANCES THERE. THAT WAY YOU HAD FULL VISIBILITY TO THE STREET. THE WHOLE TIME YOU'RE WALKING INTO THE BUILDING FROM THE VIEW, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WALK AROUND THE BACK, WHICH IS MORE ISOLATED AND FEELS A LITTLE BIT MORE DANGEROUS IN MY MIND. AND I WOULD GUESS THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION ON HOW TO MANAGE THOSE. SO LIKE IF YOU TOOK YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE, AREN'T YOU ASSUMING, THOUGH, THAT PEOPLE WILL ONLY USE THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THEIR HOUSE? I MEAN, THE GARAGES THEMSELVES BACK UP INTO THE ALLEYS? YEAH, THEY'RE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC VISITORS AND OTHERS DON'T. I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU'RE PAINTING THE PICTURE AS IF THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO ENTER THE HOUSE. FOR SOME PEOPLE IT IS. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S NOT ALL THE WAYS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ENTER THE HOUSE.

AND THEY MAY PARK ON SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS TO MAKE IT MORE DIRECT. I MEAN, THAT PARKING GOES RIGHT TO THE FRONT THERE. THAT PARKING GOES RIGHT TO THE FRONT OF THOSE. THIS HAS A ROAD IN FRONT OF IT TO THE FACE. EACH OTHER HAVE A ROAD NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED SO THAT I COULD UNDERSTAND. YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. THERE'S TWO THAT FACE EACH OTHER WITH A LITTLE WHITE GAP. YEAH. IN THAT THAT'S GOT A LITTLE POCKET PARK IN IT.

THAT'LL LOOK REALLY GOOD OFF THE BOULEVARD. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROAD AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS GOING DOWN, AND YOU WOULD THEN GO FROM THAT SIDEWALK INTO THE EACH BUILDING. YEAH. AND THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN FROM THE PARKING LOT, THE INTO THE STREET STUFF. THE THE PARKING LOT WILL GO RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. AND STAYING HERE WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT INTO THOSE UNITS. IT'S KIND OF THE SAME. THAT'LL DROP YOU OFF RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THOSE UNITS. JUST ALSO ADDING STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE DID WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE APPLICANT WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED TO US. THIS WAS ALSO A CONDITION. YOU KNOW, TOM POINTED OUT THAT IT EXISTS IN LANSDOWNE. WE TOOK SOME STEPS. J AND I WENT DOWN AND VISITED THE THEIR EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS IN GRANDVIEW, AND I WENT DOWN TO THE SITE FOUNDERS PARK IN HARRISON WEST TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, IN LINE WITH YOUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT. AND WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT. DO THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY REALLY, REALLY WELL IF EXECUTED, JUST LIKE IT'S PROPOSED AND IT MIMICS ALMOST MIMICS EXACTLY WHAT'S DONE HERE IN WEST GRANDVIEW YARDS. I CAN'T THINK OF A SPOT WHERE A SINGLE WHERE THE ROW HOUSE AT LEAST DIDN'T

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HEAVILY TREED MATURE TREES, LARGE HARDWOOD TREES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THROUGHOUT THAT AREA, AS WELL AS UP TO THE TO THE ROUNDABOUT. SO ANOTHER PIECE TO THE PUZZLE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE. I'M NOT NORMALLY A FAN OF THIS, BUT ARE THE PERIMETER SIDEWALKS EXPECTED TO BE LIT INDEPENDENTLY OF THE LIGHTS ON THE HOUSES? WELL, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT SO QUICKLY. THERE'S NO LIGHTING ON THE LEISURE TRAIL. THERE ARE FRONT LAMPS IN FRONT OF EACH OF THE UNITS. THERE IS NOT ADDITIONAL. AT THE MOMENT WE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT SUPPLEMENTAL ILLUMINATION OF THE PATH IN AND AROUND.

INTERESTING IDEA. YEAH. BECAUSE BECAUSE THE THE SECURITY CONCERN IS CAN I SEE IF THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE WHEN THEY'RE WHEN I KNOW THAT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE ARE GOING TO SEE ANYTHING. IF THEY'RE LOOKING OUT THEIR FRONT WINDOW. AND SO THE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHERE, YOU KNOW, A THREE FOOT TALL LIGHT LIGHTING UP THE SIDEWALK IS INVITING AND IT SAYS, I CAN WALK HERE WITHOUT IT BEING THE OVERHEAD STREETLIGHT, YOUR COACH LIGHTS ON THE HOUSE. BESIDES THE FACT THAT THEY TEND TO UP LIGHT, GET TURNED OFF. I MEAN, EVERYONE LOOKS AT THEIR ELECTRIC BILL, TURNS THEM OFF WHEN THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING COMPANY. AND SO YOU NOW HAVE A DARK SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THESE WOULDN'T BE LIGHTS ON THE HOUSE. THEY WOULD BE THE POLE LIGHTS THAT ARE THAT ARE DETACHED FROM THE UNIT ON A ON A POLE. OKAY. I MIGHT OFFER TO PLEASE EXPLORE THAT AS A WAY OF PROVIDING THE VISIBILITY. PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO FEEL SAFE. GO AHEAD. I JUST HARRISON WEST, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PATH, BUT IT IS LITERALLY ON THE RIVER. I MEAN, IF IF SAFETY CONCERNS, I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR PLACE. LIKE IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A PRACTICAL SAFETY CONCERN, THAT WOULD BE YOUR PLACE FROM WHAT GOES ON DOWN AROUND THE BANKS AND IN THE AREA. AND FRANKLY, OUR AREA PRESIDENT LIVES RIGHT ON THE PARK THERE. AND HE SEES IT EVERY DAY. AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE SAFETY ISSUE RELATED TO IT DOWN THERE, WHICH IS I MEAN, CERTAINLYS IS ALL ANECDOTAL, BUT NONETHELESS. ANY OTHERS ON THIS WAIVER? OKAY, SO THAT TAKES US TO G VINYL. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ALLOW NEW WINDOWS TO BE MADE OF VINYL, RATHER THAN JUST BEING CLADDED WITH VINYL. THE INTENT OF THE REQUIREMENT IS TO ENSURE THAT HOMES MAINTAIN THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF NEW ALBANY. THE APPLICANT HAS SUCCESSFULLY DONE THIS VISUALLY BY. BY PROVIDING A DOUBLE HUNG, SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOW,

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NOW THAT THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THE DGRS RECOMMEND 18FT. CORRECT. IS THAT RIGHT. THAT WAS THE URBAN CENTER REQUIRED. 20. YEP. SO PLEASE BE AWARE OF THE COMMISSION. THE DGRS RECOMMEND AN 18 FOOT WIDE ALLEY, AS WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH PLAIN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE INSISTENT THAT A 20 FOOT ALLEY WAS NEEDED. SO I THINK THAT CHANGED. WE'VE CHANGED IT TO 20FT. AND TO POINT OUT, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD LAYOUT WITH ALLEYS, BECAUSE IN WINDSOR THERE'S TURNING RADIUS PROBLEMS AND STUFF, AND THIS SOLVES ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS. THERE'S TEN FOOT MEDIAN. ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A WAIVER TO ALLOW A MINIMUM OF TEN FOOT WIDE CENTER MEDIAN, WITH THE INTERNAL STREETS DESIGNED AS BOULEVARDS WHEN A 12 FOOT MINIMUM IS REQUIRED, THE PROPOSED TEN FOOT MEDIAN CONTINUES TO SUPPORT AN APPROPRIATE BOULEVARD DESIGN WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT'S INTERNAL STREET NETWORK. ALTHOUGH NARROWER THAN 12 FOOT STANDARD, THE MEDIAN REMAINS SUFFICIENT TO PRESERVE THE DIVIDED STREET CHARACTER AND PROVIDES A LANDSCAPE CENTER FEATURE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENDED URBAN DESIGN FRAMEWORK. THE APPLICANT APPEARS TO MEET THE INTENT BECAUSE A MEDIAN IS NOT BEING REMOVED. RATHER, THE LANE WIDTH REQUIREMENTS REMAIN SATISFIED. THE SPACE FOR LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE MEDIAN IS PRESERVED, RESULTING IN THE PROPOSAL PROPOSAL. MAINTAINING THE VISUAL AND FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE OF THE BOULEVARD SECTION. THE REQUEST IS LIMITED IN SCOPE AND REFLECTS A DIMENSIONAL ADJUSTMENT RATHER THAN A CHANGE IN STREET TYPE OR DESIGN. OKAY, IS THIS EXPECTED TO BE TREES OR LANDSCAPE OR GRASS? WHAT'S TREES? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL. RIGHT. DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE. SO. DO WE HAVE OTHER PLANNING INFORMATION? I'M POPPING THE STACK AND SAYING, OH, WE WERE I CALLED ON STAFF TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO OTHER THINGS FROM PLANNING? NO, JUST IN SUMMARY MEANS THE INTENT OF APPLICABLE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WHILE REINFORCING THE VILLAGE CENTERS URBAN CENTER. IT'S A THOUGHTFUL LAYOUT THAT MEETS THE CHARACTER OF VILLAGE CENTER. THERE'S BEEN EXTENSIVE COLLABORATION, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE CITY ARCHITECT AND THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND ALIGNED WITH THE CITY STRATEGIC PLAN. AND WE FIND THAT THE REQUESTED WAIVERS DO NOT DIMINISH THE OVERALL QUALITY, AND THEY PROVIDE REASONABLE FLEXIBILITY.

HERE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT. JUST TO NOTE THAT THE ARB DID REVISE A CONDITION, CONDITION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL ONCE THE BASIN DESIGN AND DETAILS HAVE BEEN REWORKED, ARB CAN REVISE THAT CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE CITY AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR BASIN DESIGN. THAT'S IT. RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THAT CONDITION BE CARRIED OVER TO PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US AS WE TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE PARK AND WHAT THAT ULTIMATELY, I'M CERTAIN IT WILL CERTAINLY COME BACK EITHER HERE TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL. THE DESIGN OF THAT BASIN AS IT RELATES TO THE PARK AND THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, ARE THINGS THAT THAT NEED ANOTHER LEVEL OF ITERATION AND EVALUATION. OUR INITIAL REACTION TO PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WAS NEGATIVE. AGAIN, AS THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S INTENDED TO BE APPEALING TO YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AND EMPTY NESTERS AND PEOPLE WITH GRANDKIDS, THAT REMINDED US OF THE NEED FOR HAVING PLAYGROUNDS FOR FOR GRANDKIDS. BUT ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, YES, WE AGREE AND WE'LL DO PLAYGROUNDS,

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FROM ALL OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, DOES THAT MODIFY ANY OF THE SIX CONDITIONS WE SAW IN THE PLANNING REPORT? IT DOES. IT MODIFIES CONDITION THREE, AS SHOWN ON THE AS APPROVED BY THE ARB AND SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. WHAT WHAT DID WE WIND UP WITH FROM. GO AHEAD. WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT CONDITION? IS THAT EVIDENT? WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THE REVISION MEANS? I THINK YES, I'D LIKE TO READ. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT CONDITION THREE IN THE CONDITION THREE IN THE STAFF REPORT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED TO TO UPDATE IT, RATHER THAN COMING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER BASIN PARK, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF AND CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO COME UP WITH A REASONABLE DESIGN SOLUTION. OKAY. REASON BEING, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE THERE AND ENGINEERING AND THINGS, AND MAYBE EASIER TO GET IT DONE BEHIND THE SCENES RATHER THAN PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY, SO WE'LL COME BACK TO THE STAFF FOR APPROVAL OF THIS. BUT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR A WAIVER FROM THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. YOU WOULD NEVER, NEVER. OKAY. WHY DID THE CONDITION ORIGINALLY INDICATE THAT THAT THIS WOULD COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION? ANYBODY CAN ANSWER THAT. YES. SO STAFF WROTE OUR STAFF REPORT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE BASIN WOULD COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE APPLICANT ASKED ARB TO ALLOW THE CITY AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO EVALUATE THAT AND MOVE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT WAS THE ARB REVISED CONDITION AND READ. ARB WILL SEE IT. NO, IT WOULD BE JUST CITY STAFF AND THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, CITY STAFF.

AND I GUESS TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, I HAVE I WHY WAS THE ORIGINAL WHY DID THE ORIGINAL CONDITION HAVE IT THAT IT WOULD COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, WHY WOULD A ARB STEP IN AND TAKE OUR REVIEW AWAY? SO LET'S GO WITH THE FIRST QUESTION FIRST. SO THE FIRST QUESTION WHICH MAY WHICH MAY LEAD TO ANSWER THE SECOND ONE. BUT GO AHEAD. SO BECAUSE THE FINAL BASIN DESIGN IS NOT FINALIZED, THIS IS KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH THE PROCESS FOR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWS THAT. SO THAT IS WHY STAFF CONDITIONED IT. THE APPLICANT ASKED ARB TO REVISE THAT CONDITION, AND ARB DID REVISE THAT CONDITION IN THEIR MOTION.

SO YOU GAVE THE SAME CONDITION TO ARB? YES. A ARB SAW THE SAME CONDITION. THIS IS NOT A NEW CONDITION. SO THE SAME CONDITIONS FOR ARB, THEY JUST REVISED AND THERE. MOTION THAT CITY STAFF WOULD EVALUATE THIS AT THE TIME OF FINAL DESIGN. SO AS FAR AS THAT. SO AS FAR AS ARB IS CONCERNED, JUST A SECOND TIME. SO AS FAR AS ARB IS CONCERNED, IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO BACK TO THEM. IT WOULD NOT GO BACK TO THEM. NO. OKAY, FINE. GO AHEAD. I ASKED FOR THAT MODIFICATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ARE THE ONES MOST QUALIFIED TO EVALUATE THE DESIGN OF THIS FOR REGIONAL STORMWATER BASIN.

AGAIN, IT'S A REGIONAL STORMWATER BASIN. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A STORMWATER BASIN THAT IS DESIGNED JUST TO ACCOMMODATE. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE ROADS AND THE ROAD NETWORK AND THE REGIONAL PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YEAH. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIRES THAT TO BE AS PART OF THE SUBMISSION.

AND THAT'S WHY THE CONDITION IS THERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WASN'T PART OF IT. AND SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANAGE THAT. ANOTHER ITEM TO CONSIDER IS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS AREA WHERE THIS BASIN WILL BE LOCATED IS BEING DEDICATED TO THE CITY. AND I ENVISION CITY COUNCIL AT SOME POINT WILL TAKE UP A MASTER PLANNING EFFORT FOR THE PARK. AND AND THAT WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD. SO WE'VE DISCUSSED SORT OF BEHIND THE SCENES. IT'S SORT OF AN INTERIM CONDITION. IT LOOKS NICE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR A WHILE. BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE NECESSARILY THE INITIAL BASIN DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE ESTHETIC BECAUSE THERE WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK LATER ON. SO WE THOUGHT UNDERSTANDING THAT'S GOING IS GOING TO ULTIMATE CONDITIONS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU EVENTUALLY. WITH THE INTERIM CONDITION WAS BETTER DEALT WITH AS STAFF WELL. SO THE PARK AREA,

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WELL IT'S A PIECE FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE STRUCTURES, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRAILS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD COME THROUGH WITH WITH SOME SORT OF A PLAN FOR THE REVIEW BY, BY THIS BOARD. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR CONDITION RECOMMENDS. BUT I THINK TOM HAS MADE THE REQUEST THAT IT THAT IT THAT IT NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING THIS COMMISSION LOOK AT THE PARK. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS COMMISSION EVALUATING A STORM WATER BASIN THAT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED BY AN ENGINEER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. I'M SO I'M I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THAT, BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME THIS COMMISSION EVER SAID THAT ANY REGIONAL STORM BASIN. WE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THAT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BRINGING IT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION. I. I THINK THE PARK DESIGN IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE MULTILAYERED, I SUSPECT WILL INCLUDE, ONCE THIS GOES TO COUNCIL, AN EFFORT TO DO DESIGN OF THAT PARK, THIS STORMWATER BASIN WILL BE A PART OF THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S MORE HAIR ON THIS THAN A TYPICAL STORMWATER BASIN FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD. COULD WE MAKE IT JUST PART OF BRINGING THE PARK BACK AND JUST BRING IT IN THERE? OH YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT TYPICALLY WORKS, BUT I SUSPECT THAT AGAIN, THIS, THIS, THIS IS THIS PARK, AS I DESCRIBED, IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF A LARGER NETWORK OF PARK SYSTEM. HOW AND WHEN THIS COMMISSION REVIEWS IT AND UNDER WHAT PREVIEW, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, AND THE STORM BASIN.

SORRY TO BRING THAT UP AGAIN, BUT THAT WILL AFFECT LIKE THE ENTIRE PARCEL, RIGHT? ENTIRE PARCEL AS WELL AS THE ROADS. YEAH. SO I SEE THEM AS TWO SEPARATE INQUIRIES AND I, I, I, I THINK, I THINK THE I THINK YOU'RE STRUGGLING FOR A DIFFERENCE. WHY THIS, WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS NOW. LIKE WHY ARE THEY ASKING FOR THIS? WHEN WOULD NORMALLY JUST COME BEFORE US? I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS ONE PIECE OF A MUCH LARGER PARCEL THAT'S GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF REVIEW. SO IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST COMING BACK TO US FOR THIS ONE PROJECT. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS AN INTERIM CONDITION THAT IS LIKELY TO BE AFFECTED BY THE BROADER PARK PLANNING AND STUDY, AND THAT IS CERTAINLY GOING TO COME BEFORE THIS GROUP. BUT I THINK PROBABLY THE ARB AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'D BE PARKS AND TRAILS. SO SO OUR THOUGHT WAS AN INTERIM BEING A WORD THAT I CAN'T DEFINE, BECAUSE IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHEN THE CITY WANTS TO STUDY IT AND FUND IT. AND THAT'S A CAPITAL PROJECTS DECISION. BUT OUR CONDITION, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT LOOK ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BECAUSE THAT HELPS US SELL HOMES AS WELL. RIGHT. BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A MUCH BIGGER DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT'S INTEGRATED INTO THE PARK, AND THAT WILL GO THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS. RIGHT. SO CAN I MAYBE JUST OFFER JUST TO KIND OF PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING, OFFER SOMETHING. SO I THINK SAYING THIS TO YOU GUYS TOO, BUT MAYBE WHEN THE FINAL BASIN DESIGN HAS BEEN DETERMINED, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION WHEN THE FINAL BASIN DESIGN HAS BEEN DETERMINED FOR THAT, FOR THAT SPECIFIC PARCEL THAT REQUIRES IT TO COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW APPROVAL. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. CAN WE OKAY. CAN YOU SAY THAT SLOWLY? SO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HITS THE RECORD BECAUSE I'LL WANT THAT FOR CONDITION FOR THE NEW CONDITION, MAYBE SIERRA, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST GOING THROUGH ONE MORE SLIDE REAL QUICK. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE DOWN YOU CAN JUST VISUALIZE IT TO. I PROMISE I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO SHINE THE LIGHT IN YOUR FACE. SO ONCE THE FINAL BASIN DESIGN HAS BEEN DETERMINED FOR THIS AREA SHOWN IN THE PLANS, THE APPLICANT WILL RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THAT BASIN DESIGN. SO IT'S BETWEEN FOR DESCRIPTIVE PURPOSES BETWEEN PROPOSED FUTURE MILLER AND WHATEVER THE NAME IS, PARKWAY AND PARKWAY. AND THEY'RE ACKNOWLEDGING AGAIN THAT THERE MIGHT BE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION BETWEEN NOW AND THAT FINAL DESIGN THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU CHRIS. NO, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON CONDITION ONE, IF YOU COULD GO BACK. SIERRA. WHO IS PAYING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF MILLER

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AS DONE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. WAIVER E APPLIES ONLY TO THE WINDOWS SHOWN ON THE BALDWIN ELEVATION AS SUCH. IT WAS NINE SORRY AND TEN I HAVE THAT APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF TO CONSIDER LOW LEVEL LIGHTING ON THE SIDEWALKS. PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE FAR FROM A ROAD.

SO THE THERE'S A WAIVER THAT THIS THAT GENERATED THIS. SO WAIVER F IN PARTICULAR, THE AREAS ARE THE AREAS AFFECTED BY WAIVER F. WILL BE SCRUTINIZED FOR POTENTIALLY BEING LIT. LOW LEVEL DOWNCASTING SIMILAR TO THE THREE FOOT STUFF WE JUST SAW EARLIER TONIGHT. IT'S FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND FOR NO OTHER REASON. OKAY. WERE THERE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAD? NO. YOU GOT THE ONE I HAD. OKAY. SO BEFORE YOU GUYS START TO VOTE, JUST A REMINDER, WE CAN GO WAIVER BY WAIVER. THE AND I DID CHECK THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES. IT'S IN AN. SO IT'S ALL FOUR. IT'S NOT. IT'S ALL FOUR. AND THE STAFF REPORT AND PUTTING THE STAFF, THE STAFF

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WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF STUFF TONIGHT. I'M NOT SURE ALL OF IT RELATED TO EACH OF THE WAIVERS, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUFF THERE, SO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING IT ON POINT WITH THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO FOR OUR PURPOSES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EFFECTIVELY EIGHT MOTIONS OR SO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MOTION FOR THE. RIGHT. SHOULD WE PUT A CONDITION ON THE ON THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE WAIVERS. WELL WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS. WE PASSED OR NOT THE FDP. AND THEN WE GO THROUGH A LIST OF WAIVERS AND PASS THEM AS INDIVIDUAL MOTIONS EACH. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU COULD GET, I GUESS, BIZARRE RESULTS IF SOME PASS AND SOME DON'T, IF THE FDP PASSES. SO THE FDP IS PREDICATED ON ALL OF THEM. OR NO, YOU DO THE FDP FIRST AND THEN YOU VOTE EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY AS YOU GO BECAUSE THE WAIVERS ARE MUTE IF FDP DOES NOT PASS. CORRECT. OKAY. SO ARE WE. WE DON'T NEED DON'T WE DON'T WE NEED AN 11TH CONDITION THAT THE. OR DO WE NEED A CONDITION THAT TALKS ABOUT WHETHER THAT THE. IT'S GETTING LATE. ALL OF US. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT WE NEEDED A CONDITION THAT THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION IS IS IS CONDITIONED ON APPROVAL OF, OF ALL OR SOME OF THE WAIVERS, BUT WE DON'T DON'T NEED THAT. IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THAT'S WHY I'M NOT THINKING VERY CLEARLY ANYMORE. SO SO WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE. WE JUST VOTE THE APPLICATION AND THEN THE WAIVERS. CORRECT. APPLICATION WITHOUT ANY WAIVERS. CORRECT. AS A MOTION. AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL WAIVER AS A SEPARATE MOTION. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. AND I WOULD MAKE SENSE AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE WAIVERS, MR. WALLACE, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU PROVEN THIS I FORGET WHICH WAIVER IT WAS AT THIS POINT. HAVE YOU PROVEN THIS FACTOR? I WOULD ALSO REFER YOU TO THE WRITE UP. THAT WAS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE THAT IN SUPPORT OF THOSE WAIVER REQUESTS AND TO THE EXTENT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED SOMETHING DIRECTLY TONIGHT IN TERMS OF THOSE FACTORS AS THEY RELATE TO A PARTICULAR WAIVER, I WOULD REFER YOU TO THAT DOCUMENT FOR THE RECORD. I THINK I BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE WAIVERS, IF WE COULD TAKE MAYBE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THE WAIVERS. AND BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW THAT IT'S IT'S AN END. IT'S NOT LIKE THE DUNCAN FACTOR ANALYSIS WHERE NONE OF THEM REALLY CONTROLS. AND, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S SORT OF, IT'S A LITTLE MORE SUBJECTIVE. AND SINCE IF WE, IF, IF A WAIVER IS VOTED AGAINST, WE NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY I THINK WE NEED A COUPLE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH. I HATE TO EXTEND THE MEETING, BUT I THINK IN FAIRNESS TO THE APPLICANT AND IN FAIRNESS TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE NEED TO AT LEAST I'M GOING TO NEED A COUPLE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH. AND THE ANSWER MAY BE I VOTE FOR ALL OF THEM. I HAVEN'T DECIDED YET, BUT I MAY NEED A COUPLE OF MINUTES. SO HAVING SAID THAT, WE NEED TO BREAK NOW AND THEN DO THE VOTE. OR WE CAN DO THE VOTE AND THEN BREAK AFTER THE INITIAL VOTE. YOU MEAN DO THE INITIAL VOTE? YEAH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. AND I HAVE NO PREFERENCE. IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE CHAIRMAN. LET'S DO THE EASY ONE FIRST. I MOVE TO. ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD FOR FDP OH FOUR, 2026, INCLUDING THE SLIDE SHOW, WHICH HIGHLIGHTED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BALDWIN WINDOW TO BE PART OF THE RECORD. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE MOTION FOR THE DOCUMENTS? SECOND, WAS THAT BRUCE OR BRUCE? I'LL TAKE IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE DOCUMENTS TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. MR. LARSON. YES, MISS BRIGGS. YES.

MR. WALLACE. YES, YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING THE SLIDES. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO DO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF WITHOUT WAIVERS, BUT WITH THE CONDITIONS. AND THEN TAKE THE BREAK. THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OH FOUR 2026 SUBJECT. BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF REPORT AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH CONDITION THREE MODIFIED TO THE CONDITION THAT CHRIS GAVE US EARLIER IN THE EVENING. ADDED TO THOSE CONDITION SEVEN

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DO YOU HAVE YOUR REASONS FOR THE RECORD? IT IS THE LAYOUT. THE WAY IT IS, I DON'T BELIEVE, IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE INTENT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS. IT DOESN'T BRING IN THE CHARACTER OF NEW ALBANY OR THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE, OR THE CONNECTIVITY THAT IS DESIRED FROM PART LET'S GET THIS DONE. SO. SO THE DOCUMENTS ARE IN AND THIS WILL JUST BE VOTES ON THE WAIVERS. SO FOR THE FOLLOWING SET OF MOTIONS IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY APPLY TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OH FOUR 2026 WAIVER A WHICH IS CAN WE START WITH D BECAUSE THE RESULTS OF D MIGHT INFLUENCE MY A AND B? OKAY. DOUBLE BAY GARAGE DOORS. SURE. ALL RIGHT.

WAIVER D DOUBLE BAY GARAGE DOORS. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON WAIVER D. SORRY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SITTING OUT HERE DEBATING THE FACT THAT WE KNOW WE WE NOW HAVE AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS REALLY DEPENDENT UPON IN MOST RESPECTS WITH MAYBE A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS, ALL OF THESE WAIVERS GETTING APPROVED. SO I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW TO GO ABOUT IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, A STRAW POLL OR WHATEVER. BUT IF WE THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS MAYBE AT RISK OF NOT GETTING APPROVED TONIGHT HAS IMPLICATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO TABLE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THROUGH HERE ALONG HERE, BEEN HERE SO LONG TONIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE A MEMBER MISSING. SO IF WE THINK THERE'S SOME DEBATE ON ONE WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A 2 TO 2 OR SOMETHING, I'D RATHER TAKE MY CHANCES WITH THE FIFTH VOTE AND COME BACK. I NEED THAT FOR YOU ALL TO TO GUIDE ME. WHAT WE DO WITH AN APPROVED PLAN THAT DOESN'T GET YOU MISSING ONE OF THE ONES THAT REALLY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. SO YOU REQUEST A TABLE FOR. WELL, IF YOU GUYS HAVE A SENSE. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ME WITH FIVE MINUTES, YOU'RE NOT DELIBERATING OUT THERE, BUT IF YOU THINK THERE'S A IF ANYONE HAS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM WITH ONE OF THEM AND WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN FERRET OUT WHETHER WE THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT REASON TO, TO WAIT FOR THE FIFTH MEMBER. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST. I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY AT LEAST MOST OF THESE. THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON MAYBE 1 OR 2 THAT COULD BE UP FOR DEBATE. OKAY. OKAY. EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE HIT LIST,

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I WENT TO THE MICROPHONE. YOU CAN'T. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS ON THE RECORD. YEAH, SORRY. OKAY. OH WELL, ANYWAY, I, I DON'T. I THINK THAT I, I THINK THE, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO, WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, DEFERRED VOTE ON THE WAIVERS TO A FIVE MEMBER BOARD RATHER THAN SORT OF POLLING THE BOARD PRELIMINARILY FOR SOME SORT OF SENSE. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER FOUR HOUR MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSION MEMBER THAT WASN'T HERE. SO. BUT. IT WON'T BE FOUR HOURS TO GO THROUGH THE WAIVERS THE SECOND TIME, I MEAN. I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR THEM TO COME BACK. I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO IT. EXCELLENT. YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON YOU HAVE TO MAKE. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE STILL IN SESSION. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS AT THE DAIS. SO. THANK YOU. WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT BACK JUST TO MAKE SURE. I LIKE TRYING TO GET THREE OUT OF FIVE RATHER THAN THREE TABLE ALL OF THEM OR JUST TABLE THE COUPLE THAT ARE IN QUESTION. WE BELIEVE THERE'S SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT HERE THAT WE THERE'S NO ALL OF THEM. SOME OF THEM INTERACT. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE HAPPY WITH TABLING ALL OF THEM. IF WE HAVE BEFORE WE BEFORE WE GO THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS THE RECONSIDERATION ROUTE, IS THERE NOT? THERE IS. WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT AS WELL.

SO I'LL JUMP IN BECAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION THEN. CAN YOU GO THROUGH WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF TWO OF THESE WAIVERS ARE TIE VOTES AND THEREFORE VOTED DOWN? WHAT WOULD THE NEXT STEP, IF ANY, BE IN THE PROCESS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO. I THINK WHEN AARON AND I JUST LOOKED FOR THE PRIOR MATTER WITHIN THE NEXT TWO REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETINGS TO REQUEST A RECONSIDERATION BASED UPON NEW FOUND INFORMATION, THINGS LIKE THAT,

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RIGHT. RECONSIDERATION IS ALL ABOUT NEW EVIDENCE WE DIDN'T SEE THE FIRST TIME AROUND. SO.

OR MAYBE A CHANGE, RIGHT. AND SOMETHING COULD BE LIKE THE WINDOWS COULD BE CHANGED FROM VINYL TO WOOD OR SOMETHING ELSE. CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. AND THEY WOULD NEED A WAIVER. OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THE ENTIRETY OF THE WAIVERS. WE JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT. GO AHEAD. IF WE WERE TO TABLE AT WHAT MEETING WOULD YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT ONE? AND I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE AND I'M GOING TO SAY I'M OUT OF TOWN THAT TIME, WHICH WOULD THEN MAKE IT A BOARD MEMBER AGAIN, WHICH THEN DEFEATS THE PURPOSE SO WELL, THE THIRD THE NEXT ONE IS THE THE THIRD. THE INFORMAL IS ALREADY BEEN IT'S GOING TO BE CANCELED TOMORROW. SO THE SO IT WOULD BE THE. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IF WE DID IT ON THE THIRD, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN. MAYBE YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER ANSWER ON THOSE DOUBLE DOORS. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THAT TOO. SURE, SURE. ALL RIGHT, I THINK, YEAH, AS LONG AS WE BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A. I MEAN, I KNOW THINGS HAPPEN, BUT WE THINK WE HAVE FULL ATTENDANCE AND WHATEVER MEETING THAT IS, THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE. YEAH.

OKAY. SO AUGUST MEETING. I'M NOT SURE I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF, OF TABLING. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW.

OKAY. SO TO FINISH, MY MOTION WAS TO TABLE ALL THE WAIVERS UNTIL OUR REGULAR AUGUST MEETING. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO TABLE. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. WALLACE. NO. MR. LARSON NO. MISS BRIGGS. YES.

OKAY. IT DOES NOT PASS. DO THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE FOR THE NOSE? YEAH. I THINK THERE'S A I THINK GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE SPENT AND THE DETAIL AND THE STRONG AND DETAILED PRESENTATIONS MADE BY THE APPLICANT AND STAFF. AND THE FACT THAT THE RECONSIDERATION AVENUE IS AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANT. I VOTED NO, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO HAVE A VOTE TONIGHT, BECAUSE IF ANY OF THE WAIVERS GET VOTED DOWN, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RECONSIDERATION WITH THE FIFTH MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE COMMISSION. THAT'S WHY I VOTED NO. CAN I DO FOR THE SAME REASONS? AND, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING A MEMBER SURE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VALID REASON TO TABLE. SO SO YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT RESPECT BOTH OF THOSE OPINIONS, WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WE'LL ALL CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THE ABSENCE OF A MEMBER IS SUFFICIENT. BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ALL. YOU WILL HAVE ULTIMATE DISCRETION TO. AND LIKELY. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN JUST GIVE DUE CONSIDERATION OF THAT FACT, IF WE ARE TO COME BACK AND HAVE SOME LEEWAY AND HOPEFULLY GETTING A FULL MEMBERSHIP HERE, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. ADDITIONALLY, WE TOOK FEEDBACK TONIGHT AND WE WERE GOING TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. I MEAN, CERTAINLY THAT WAS PART OF IT, BUT YOU GAVE US FEEDBACK ON A FEW ISSUES TO THINK ABOUT. AND

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DO YOUR MOTION ON WAIVER A, WHICH IS THE 90% VERSUS 76%. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WAIVER A FROM THE 90% TO THE 60%, AS STATED. I SECOND THAT ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. LARSON YES. MR. KIRBY YES. MISS BRIGGS YES. MR. WALLACE YES, THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE WAIVER A. YOUR MOTION WAIVER. B 22FT VERSUS 25. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON WAIVER B OH WE DID THIS SEPARATELY.

SORRY. YEAH. DO I HEAR A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. EXCUSE ME. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU I SECONDED.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. DO THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY. YES MISS BRIGGS, YES.

MR. LARSON. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES. YEAH. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE.

WAIVER B WAIVER. C IS SURFACE PARKING. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WAIVER C PLEASE. I WILL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION WAIVER? C STREET PARKING CALL THE ROLL PLEASE, MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. KIRBY YES. MR. LARSON YES. MR. WALLACE YES, YES. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE WAIVER. C WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE DEED. TAKE THIS TO E. ELIMINATE SHUTTER. OKAY. THE SHUTTER ONE THAT HAS A THERE'S A CONDITION IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MOTION. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS APPROVED. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON WAIVER E I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WAIVER E. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON WAIVER. E FOR THE SHUTTERS. OKAY. THE ROLL PLEASE MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. KIRBY YES. MR. LAWSON. YES. MR. WALLACE.

YES. YES. MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE. WAIVER E THANK YOU. WAIVER F OPEN FACING OPEN SPACE RATHER THAN A ROAD. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON WAIVER F I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE WAIVER.

F I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. LARSON? NO.

MR. KIRBY YES. MISS BRIGGS YES. MR. WALLACE YES, THE AYES HAVE IT WITH THREE VOTES TO APPROVE AND ONE VOTE TO DENY WAIVER. F AND IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN YOUR NO VOTE. YEAH. IT'S FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT THE FDP IN THAT IT. I DON'T BELIEVE IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE STREET STRATEGIC PLAN, THE RESIDENTIAL KIND OF COMMUNITY TYPE FEELING OR THE THE BUILDING OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE INTERCONNECTIONS WITHIN THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF LAYOUT AND HOW IT WORKS. TAKES US TO WAIVER. G I MOVE APPROVAL WAIVER. G TO ALLOW

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MR. LARSON YES. SORRY. MR. WALLACE. NO. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH THREE VOTES TO GRANT AND ONE VOTE TO DENY WAIVER. G. I VOTED NO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WAIVER MEETS THE THIRD WAIVER REQUIREMENT. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR FAIRNESS DUE TO ANY UNUSUAL ASPECT OF THE BUILDING, THE STRUCTURE OR THE SITE TAKES US WAIVER H TEN FOOT WIDE MEDIA.

DO I HEAR A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE WAIVER H I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO THE ROLL PLEASE MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. KIRBY YES. MR. WALLACE. YES. MR. LARSON YES.

YES. ALL VOTES TO APPROVE WAIVER NOW. AND GOD BLESS YOU FOR NOT TABLING THIS. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PRETTY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT QUITE DONE YET, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF.

[VII.Other business ]

YOU'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES. YOU GUYS REALLY, REALLY NEEDED TO BE HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE. I'M ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT. ALL OF US ARE. YEAH, WELL, I ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE THING THAT LOWERS ME.

VERY NEARLY FELL OUT. YEAH. THIS IS AMAZING. OH, WELL, THAT WAS A QUESTION I ASKED. WHO'S WHO'S ON SALARY AND WHO'S ON HOURLY BECAUSE THE HOURLY FOLKS ARE CLEANING UP. RIGHT. OKAY.

SO SORRY, I'M CLICKING OVER THERE. RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK SO. WE'RE SEEING IF WE CAN GIVE YOU THE CLICKER. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. FASTER. IF WE CAN CLICK. NO, WE CAN'T GO BACK. HOW FAST CAN YOU SAY NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE ME A HEAD NOD. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE SOMETHING REALLY EXCITING TO PRESENT. WE WILL BE EXPEDITIOUS AND AS COURTEOUS AS POSSIBLE. JUST BRIEFLY INTRODUCE OURSELVES. MY NAME IS KAREEM AMER, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT AND RASHAAD DEVELOPMENT. WITH ME TODAY I HAVE BRANDON DIAMOND, PARTNER AT GALLUS PARTNERS, OUR PRINCIPAL WITH US, RICKY RASHAD AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF STORYTELLING TO TELL. PRETTY SORT OF SIGNIFICANT PROJECT REALLY. AND THE NEW US 62 FOCUS AREA PLAN WILL BE ABSOLUTELY COURTEOUS OF EVERYONE'S TIME. THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS, AS THE AGENDA STATES, THIS IS INFORMAL. THERE'S NO PRESSURE OF A VOTE OF WAIVERS. YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO KICK BACK AND RELAX, BUT DON'T RELAX TOO MUCH. WE DON'T WANT TO FALL ASLEEP. WE'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH STAFF ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, SINCE THE FOCUS AREA PLAN WAS APPROVED, I BELIEVE. WAS IT SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR NOW. SO YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE A NEW ALBANY BASED. WE SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU OUR ADDRESS WHEN I PRESENTED MYSELF SEVEN SEVEN, SEVEN FIVE WALTON PARKWAY. WE TRAVEL WALTON PARKWAY EVERY DAY AND THAT'S THE SITE WE'RE PRESENTING AS WELL. IS THAT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WALTON PARKWAY AND BETHLEHEM ROAD? WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR TWO YEARS, BUT WE'VE BEEN RESIDENTS, STAKEHOLDERS AND PHILANTHROPISTS FOR OVER TWO DECADES IN THE COMMUNITY. ALL OF OUR MEMBERS ARE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS. AND WHY DOES THAT MATTER? OUR PERSPECTIVE HERE OF WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY, THIS TO US IS A PROJECT BY NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS FOR NEW ALBANY RESIDENTS. WE ARE LOCAL, WE LIVE AND WORK HERE AND WE CARE, AND WE EXPERIENCE ALL THE EXTERNALITIES THAT COME WITH SIZABLE DEVELOPMENTS. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY SENTIENT TO TO THAT. THE LAST POINT I WANT TO MAKE

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AND IT'S ABOUT REALLY JUST COMBINING ALL THAT TOGETHER WITH AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF LOCAL CULTURE, HISTORY, CLIMATE, A LOT OF THINGS. SO I'LL KEEP ROLLING. SO I'M GOING TO STOP HERE FOR A MOMENT AND JUST TO SAY THAT AGAIN, WE WERE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING PRETTY SPECIAL, WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION CREATED BY YOU IN THE US 62 FOCUS AREA PLAN THROUGH THE STEERING COMMITTEE COMMITTEE, THROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THE PROCESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE COME TO IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE VERY HIGH STANDARDS OF DESIGN QUALITY. I'VE SEEN THAT HERE TONIGHT. I'VE SEEN THAT HERE IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT ALL AROUND NEW ALBANY. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A REALLY INTERESTING THING HAPPENING AT THE US 62 CORRIDOR. IT'S VERY AUTO ORIENTED AND YOU HAVE GOOD DESIGN STANDARDS APPLIED TO ROADSIDE COMMERCIAL THAT EXISTS ON 62. CLEARLY, DESIGN STANDARDS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA. IT'S SOMETHING MORE SPECIAL THAT

[03:10:03]

WE'RE GOING TO REALLY JUST TALK ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES BEHIND IT THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO. LET'S GO BACK ONE, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S THE. MAYBE ONE MORE. IT IS THE NORTH GATEWAY DISTRICT. LATER ON, WE'LL TALK ABOUT A FEW OF THE RULES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. BUT IT'S REALLY THE DREAM OF, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA HAS YET TO BE DEVELOPED AND CAN BE DONE. SO WITH THE SCALED SUBDISTRICT PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED IN THE FOCUS AREA PLAN, IT'S MEANT TO PROMOTE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME. AND IT'S HOW DO YOU CREATE THE PIECES TO ATTRACT BEST IN CLASS DEVELOPMENT? IT DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN NATURALLY TO BRING TOGETHER MIXED USE. THERE'S A FEW INGREDIENTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. SO NOW WE CAN PROCEED. IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH INTRODUCING A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES INTO THE MARKET, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY IF YOU WANT TO START TO GET HIGH QUALITY COMMERCIAL, TO PLAY IN WALKABLE DISTANCE WITH RESIDENTIAL, THAT CAN'T BE DONE ON REALLY LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT NEEDS TO BE COALESCED. AND THE OTHER BENEFIT OF THAT IS THAT YOU HAVE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WHO MAY NOT WANT TO BUY A LARGE HOME, ARE OR ARE BEYOND THAT, THEY'RE EMPTY NESTERS. YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET PEOPLE ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE FAMILY, AFTER FAMILY, AND HAVE THE WHOLE LIFE CYCLE OF RESIDENTS WHO CAN STAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND, OF COURSE, BE SENSITIVE TO ALL THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THIS SITE ENTAILS. ANOTHER ONE OF THESE KEY TAKEAWAYS IS DISTINCTIVE FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS. THIS IS NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL PRESENTATION, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE THE WE'LL CALL IT THE INCREMENT OF THE PLANNING LAYOUT THAT IT SETS UP FOR A LOT OF GREAT FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE. THESE ARE NOT A LOT OF REALLY BIG BUILDINGS. IT'S ABOUT ANCHORING THE VILLAGE ENVIRONMENT OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENVIRONMENT WITH GREAT ACTIVE GREEN SPACES. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THAT IS BEING DONE. YOU KNOW, AS MUCH FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON SITE AS THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY. AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE CYCLING THROUGH. HERE ARE SOME OF THE PILLARS OR THE DEVELOPMENT TAKEAWAYS THAT WE GOT FROM THE FOCUS AREA PLAN.

WE'RE ALMOST DONE, OBVIOUSLY, CREATING A NEW COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY HEART IS A BIG ONE.

WALTON PARKWAY IN BETHLEHEM ROAD HAS BEEN SELECTED REALLY AS THE PLACE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE IT ITS DUE TO CREATE AN ORIENT, A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED SETTING. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THAT COALESCES HERE IN A FEW MINUTES. THIS WE JUST NOTED A COUPLE OF THE COMMUNITY PILLARS THAT WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP PUTTING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO, YOU KNOW, LIFELONG LEARNING, HEALTH AND WELLNESS, ARTS AND CULTURE SUSTAINABILITY. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? BECAUSE AS WE START THINKING ABOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD HERE, THE AMENITIES, THE COMMUNITY COMPONENT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO PEOPLE GATHER? THEY'RE NOT JUST GATHERING AROUND A POOL OR, YOU KNOW, CARD ROOMS. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CREATE FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER AROUND AND TO WHAT THAT SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT IS ABOUT IS REALLY DOES HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT. IT DOES HAVE AN ARTS AND CULTURE COMPONENT. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY CREATED SPACE IN THE PLAN FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THIS WAS ALSO A KEY MOMENT IN THE THE FOCUS AREA PLAN, JUST THE PEDESTRIAN AND ROADWAY SAFETY. THAT'S CERTAINLY A HIGH LEVEL OBJECTIVE OF THE PLAN. SO WE'VE KIND OF CLOSED OUT THAT SECTION. THERE'S JUST A FEW SLIDES HERE THAT TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT YOU COULD SAY, SOME OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE MARKET STUDY, NOT THE LONG VERSION. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT STARTED OUR PLANNING PROCESS BY ALLOWING US TO DO OUR OWN MARKET STUDY, OUR REAL ESTATE STRATEGY EXERCISE. ON THAT. WE DID A PRETTY DEEP DIVE OURSELVES. IT WAS ABOUT 100 PAGE DOCUMENT, REALLY LOOKING AT IT OBJECTIVELY IN TERMS OF THE MARKET OPPORTUNITY OURSELVES, YOU HAVE A MARKET STUDY IN THE IN THE 62 PLAN. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF TAKEAWAYS THAT CERTAINLY MATTER IN TEEING THIS UP. DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN ON THIS? YEAH, I'LL ELABORATE. YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT CONCISE. WE REALLY OBSESSED ON THE QUESTION WHO AND WHAT MIGHT SEEM OBVIOUS IS OF COURSE, THE THOUSANDS OF PROFESSIONALS COMING INTO THE BUSINESS PARK. WE OF COURSE, HAVE THE NEW NATIONWIDE

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INTERESTINGLY, THE ONE THAT THE CITY SPONSORED SAW A DEMAND IN THE PRIMARY MARKET AREA FOR 25 TO 30 ZERO ZERO ZERO FEET OF RETAIL. WE SAW ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT. BUT WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT. THAT THAT AMOUNT OF RETAIL IS NOT ACTUALLY A LOT OF RETAIL AND COULD EASILY BE DEVELOPED, JUST MORE DEVELOPMENT ON ROUTE 62. SO THE IDEA OF TAKING A SMALL MINI NODE OR, YOU KNOW, A SMALL CURATED AMOUNT OF RETAIL AND FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND INTEGRATING IT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING MUCH MORE SPECIAL THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY A VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER WOULD, WOULD SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF DEMAND IN A MINUTE. WE THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL WITH IT, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NOT SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE. THE COMMERCIAL CORE IS REALLY WHAT PEOPLE SEE GOING TO NEW ALBANY BUSINESS PARK. THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN JUST THE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CALL IT THE TRAFFIC OF GOING TO AND FROM WORK. BUT TO BLEND ALL THESE TOGETHER ULTIMATELY IS ABOUT GETTING THE HIGHER QUALITY OFFERINGS ROADSIDE. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF ROADSIDE FOOD OPTIONS, GETTING PEOPLE OFF THE BEATEN TRACK AND GETTING THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT OF FOLKS WITHIN WALKABLE PROXIMITY. THAT'S HOW THIS HAPPENS. OBVIOUSLY, THE SITE THAT WE'RE STARTING TO ZOOM IN ON HERE IS A 27 ACRE SITE, MOSTLY CURRENTLY ZONED. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT AT THE OFFICE IN A MINUTE. BUT OFFICE REAL ESTATE IS IN A NEGATIVE ABSORPTION CYCLE AT THE MOMENT, 24% NEGATIVE VACANCY, A LITTLE BIT LESS WITHIN THE TEN MINUTE DRIVE. IT'S 15% WITHIN THE YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER DIRECTLY HERE. THIS 25% IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INDICATIVE OF THE GREATER MARKET. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S AN INTEREST BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS PARK OF OF A HOSPITALITY CLUSTER. AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL APPLICATION FOR HOTEL. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY DEMAND FOR HOTEL, BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING ONE WITHIN A WALKABLE, A WALKABLE DISTRICT IS EVEN STRONGER. AND YOUR MARKET STUDY CLEARLY POINTED AT INCREASED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO DO MORE THAN A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOMETHING MORE SPECIAL IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF THE OFFERINGS, WE CAN KEEP GOING. SO I THINK I'LL BREEZE BY THIS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS SIMPLY JUST TO SAY THAT ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS COME TOGETHER. THEY COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER. YOU KNOW, EXPANDING UNDERSERVED HOUSING TYPOLOGIES ALLOWS FOR RETAIL BUSINESSES TO EXIST. WE ARE GOING TO INTEGRATE OFFICE EDUCATIONAL COMMUNITY USES THAT HAS A BENEFIT IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THE RETAIL RESTAURANTS. THE ON SITE HOTEL ACTIVATES SUCH A PLACE IN THE EVENING. ALL OF THESE. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE MIXED USE IS ALL ECONOMICALLY RELATED TO TO ALLOWING THEM TO EXIST AND TO ATTRACT THE OPERATORS FOR THESE THINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE CERTAINLY INTO NOT JUST PLANNING THEM ON PAPER, BUT MAKING SURE WE CAN ATTRACT THE OPERATORS AND THE RESIDENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE THEY'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING THIS BUILT AND HAVING IT SUCCEED. OKAY, SO THIS GETS TO THE NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS REALLY PAINTING THE PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IN TERMS OF A WALKABLE, MIXED USE DISTRICT. YOU COULD SAY A FEW.

ONE OF THE SLOGANS KIND OF FELL OFF AT THE END OF THE THE THING THERE. BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY MAKING A STATEMENT HERE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ABOUT DESIGNING FOR WELLNESS,

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DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YEAH. SO THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONSTRAINT ON THIS SITE. AND IT'S A BIT OF A JUXTAPOSITION AS TO WHAT THE FOCUS AREA PLAN CALLS FOR. SO I DO WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON WHAT EXACTLY IS RESTRICTED ON SITE. YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE LIGHT BLUE, THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED AS OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL THAT ALSO CONTAINS MEDICAL USES, CIVIC USES, AND EDUCATIONAL CAN GO THERE OVER TO THE EAST, RIGHT AT THE CORNER THERE. THE SAME RESTRICTION, ALTHOUGH IT ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL. SO ANY RETAIL OR HOSPITALITY USES. AND THEN THE REAR TEN ACRES IS COMPLETELY UNRESTRICTED. THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU WELL YOU DON'T MEAN DEED RESTRICTIONS. YOU MEAN ZONING RIGHT. NO. THESE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAVE CONTINUED OVER TIME BECAUSE OF DEED RESTRICTIONS. OKAY. THE BEAUTY OF WHAT BRANDON AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE HERE IS. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE WRITTEN INTO THE DEEDS. YES, HISTORICALLY, THAT IS CORRECT. INTERESTING. OKAY. I WE FELT AS THEY WERE COMMONPLACE IN NEW ALBANY AND QUITE FREQUENT ACTUALLY UPON OUR RESEARCH OF THIS, WE WENT DOWN QUITE A BIT OF RABBIT I'VE EVER SEEN IT. WE RESUME SOME OF THAT. YEAH. THAT'S STRANGE. I JUST WORRIED ABOUT A TERMINOLOGY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WHAT YOU DESCRIBE SOUNDED A LOT LIKE BY RIGHTS. ZONING AND ZONING GOES WITH THE LAND UNTIL IT'S REZONED, WHICH IS WHAT THIS BOARD'S BREAD AND BUTTER JOB IS. DEED RESTRICTIONS SORT OF IGNORE THE ZONING AND SAY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS IF YOU BUY THIS PIECE OF LAND. THAT'S CORRECT. THE DEED RESTRICTIONS PROBABLY PREDATE THE ZONING.

YEAH, YES THEY DO. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. JUST TO WRAP IT ALL UP IN A LITTLE BIT OF A BOW.

SO I THINK WHAT WHAT KARIM AND HIS TEAM ARE SHARING IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE REALLY LIMITING WHERE SOME OF MAYBE WHERE THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CAN BE LOCATED ON THIS OVERALL SITE BECAUSE OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE. THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS THE 1998 PUD, AND IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS. SO THERE ARE NO OTHER ISSUES THERE AS AS IT EXISTS TODAY. BUT IT'S AGAIN, I'LL LET THEM GET BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, BUT THAT'S HOW IT KIND OF WRAPS ALL BACK INTO ZONING. SO FOR INSTANCE, WE CANNOT DO ANY RESIDENTIAL ON THE FRONT 17 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY AS A RESULT OF THIS. AND CERTAINLY, WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE DO IN THE LIGHT BLUE. PROBABLY THE DARK BLUE AT THE CORNER IS THE MOST LIBERATING COMMERCIAL.

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SO I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THIS, PROBABLY THE ONLY PLAN WHERE I ACTUALLY NEED TO USE THE CLICKER A LITTLE BIT HERE. SO THE SEVEN ACRES HERE, REALLY THIS CORNER HERE OF WALTON AND BETHLEHEM, THIS SECTION HERE IS WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO SOME USES LIKE HOTEL AND RETAIL FOOD AND BEVERAGE IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY INCORPORATED THE BROADWAY BOUND DANCE STUDIO IN SPIRIT INTO THIS ENCLAVE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT ULTIMATELY THIS SERIES OF BUILDINGS HERE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY A SMALLER INCREMENT THAN THE DANCE STUDIO, BUT THEY REALLY START TO FACE OFF ON THE CORNER. AND WHAT YOU RECEIVE FROM ROUTE 62 IS A COLLECTION.

WE DO GET INTO TALLER BUILDINGS AT THE FRONT DOOR. SO OUR THOUGHT WAS WHERE WE DO WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SUBDISTRICT A WITH SOME BUILDINGS WITH SOME HEIGHT IS REALLY WHAT WE CAN FORM WITH THE HOTEL AND WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE, TWO AND FOUR, CREATE KIND OF A GRAND URBAN GATEWAY. URBAN IS KIND OF A STRONG WORD. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE VILLAGE SCALE, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY THESE TWO BUILDINGS THAT SET UP THE GATEWAY. AND WHAT'S IN BETWEEN THEM IS A SERIES OF COMMUNITY BUILDINGS THAT LEAD INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A MINUTE. BUT THIS AMOUNT OF RETAIL HERE, THE FORMAT OF IT IS NOT STREET RETAIL. SO, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY WORKING FOR YEARS FOR OVER 20 YEARS OR SO, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A WHILE, PARTICULARLY THE BROKERAGE COMMUNITY, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE RETAIL STOREFRONTS ON A STREET, THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD LEASE OR SUCCEED. IT HAD TO BE STREET FACING. YOU HAD TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE BY IT. BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING RECENTLY IS A GENERATION OF PROJECTS THAT START TO PUT THEMSELVES AROUND A PEDESTRIAN GREEN SPACE, WHAT WE WOULD CALL MORE OF A CAMPUS OR A CLUSTER FORMAT, PARTICULARLY ON A SMALLER SCALE COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS LIKE THIS. BUT THIS IS ONLY ABOUT 25 TO 30 ZERO ZERO ZERO FEET, WHICH CAN BE DIVIDED UP INTO 1015 TENANTS. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT SCALE, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE. YOU DON'T WANT CARS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. AND SO BEING ABLE TO CREATE SOMETHING OF THAT SCALE THAT REVEALS ITSELF TO THE DRIVE. BY THE WAY, I WAS WALKING. WALKING. OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS WALKING BY THE SITE THIS MORNING AGAIN. AND WHAT'S REALLY NICE IS THE SITE RISES UP FROM 62. IT'S LIKE LITERALLY THE SITE SLOWLY RISES UP TOWARDS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WHICH MIGHT SEEM LIKE A SMALL DETAIL, BUT IT REALLY MATTERS BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING HERE STARTS TO REALLY REVEAL ITSELF FROM 62 RATHER THAN FALL AWAY FROM 62. SO THIS

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AND THE IDEA HERE IS TO DO SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT. WE'RE CALLING IT AGRIHOOD. NOW THAT'S AGRIHOOD IS A TREND THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEE. THERE'S ABOUT 100 DEVELOPMENTS NATIONWIDE THAT CALL THEMSELVES AGRIHOOD, AND THEY VARY FROM 100 ACRE OR MORE FARMS TO A, A TWO ACRE FARM TO LITERALLY A CHEF'S GARDEN COMMUNITY GARDEN CONCEPT. THE SPIRIT, OR THE IDEA OF AGRIHOOD IS A WAY OF USING COMMUNITY PUBLIC SPACE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU HAVE A WORKING FARM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLANT, BUT TO THE DEGREE THAT WE THINK THAT IT COULD INSPIRE SOME OF THE PUBLIC SPACE THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE COMMUNITY GARDEN ORIENTED, THAT'S WHAT THIS BUILDING HERE IS. THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREENHOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLANT. AND THAT GREENHOUSE STARTS TO SET UP SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF AN ALL SEASON GATHERING PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IT STARTS TO BRIDGE. ALSO, PEOPLE WHO WORK ON SITE, PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON SITE. THIS IS REALLY A DIFFERENT TAKE ON WHAT A COMMUNITY BUILDING CAN BE. YOU KNOW, TO DO A CONSERVATORY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLANT THAT GRAVITATES HERE TO NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS ALSO COMMUNITY EDUCATION BUILDING. IT'S AN EXTENSION. IT REALLY PLAYS OFF OF THE OFFICE USE HERE. AND IT ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DEED RESTRICTION, THAT'S KIND OF THE LINE BETWEEN WHERE WE CAN START THINGS LIKE HOTEL AND FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND WHERE WE TO REALLY WORK WITH WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE INSTITUTIONAL CLASS. OVER HERE, LITERALLY THIS LINE HERE IS, IS THE DEED RESTRICTION OF WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL CAN HAPPEN MOVING BACKWARD. AND SO WHAT HERE WE HAVE A COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS THAT ALSO SHARE A LOT OF PUBLIC SPACE. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE. ALSO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE FOCUS AREA PLAN WAS THE CONCEPT OF SCALING DOWN. AND SO CERTAINLY, AS BRANDON MENTIONED, WE HAVE SORT OF A BIT OF A STRONGER PRESENCE WHERE IT'S NEEDED ON WALTON PARKWAY. BUT AS YOU GO NORTH TO THE SITE, YOU START TO SCALE DOWN AND MASSING, AND CERTAINLY EVEN IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER THERE WHERE WE ARE THE CLOSEST TO RESIDENTIAL, WHILE STILL HAVING A SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING. WE'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO FAMILY OR TWO FLEX. YEAH, WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT. THOSE ARE HOUSE TYPOLOGY WE'LL GET INTO SO WE CAN KEEP ROLLING HERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT FASTER. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT JUSTWS AGAIN AGAIN, THE UNIQUE SITUATION OF THIS SITE IN TERMS OF ITS DISTANCE FROM SURROUNDING HOUSES, PARTICULARLY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WORKING AS A BUFFER. WE HAVE KEPT MORE THAN THESE ZONING BUFFERS OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S JUST THIS NATURAL SEPARATION BETWEEN ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL THAT EXISTS ON SITE, AS WELL AS OTHER USES. SO HERE'S WHERE WE BREAK DOWN THE THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF ZONES. AND WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS SOUTHEAST CORNER IS REALLY THE SOCIAL AND COMMERCIAL HEART. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS, THOSE NEW GENERATION PROJECTS I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS CALLED RIVER STREET AND SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO. DOES EXACTLY THIS. THIS IS ONLY 60 OR 70 ZERO ZERO ZERO FEET OF RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS AROUND PUBLIC GREEN. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. THERE ARE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE ALSO COME UP TO DO THAT, AS RETAIL HAS GONE FROM, WE'LL CALL IT THE SUPER REGIONAL 500,000,000FT OF EASTERN DOWN TO WHAT STARTS TO SCALE TO TODAY'S MARKET AND CREATE JUST THE EXPERIENCE BASED ENVIRONMENT. YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF RETAIL. IT'S ABOUT CURATION AND DOING IT WELL. THAT POINT, YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF GROWTH TO REALLY ANCHOR THE SPACE. WORKING WELL. THIS IS REALLY THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN THE OFFICE SIDE OF THE PROJECT, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING A 2 TO 3 STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S,

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BUT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE REALLY SEIZED ON THIS HAVE BECOME, YOU KNOW, JUST THE IMPETUS FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS AS SOMETHING REAL, SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY SHAPES HOW PEOPLE INTERACT WITH. A LOT OF TRAILS AND PATHS THATT CRISS CROSS THIS 27 ACRE SITE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LITTLE TABULATION A LITTLE BIT LATER ON. BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THE SIDEWALKS, WHEN YOU TAKE JUST THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WE'VE PUT TO IRRIGATE NORTHWEST EAST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAILS ON THIS SITE AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MEANS. AND ONE THING I'LL ADD ALL THESE AMENITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN SO PASSIONATE ABOUT INCORPORATING REALLY COMES FROM THE NOTION OF HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FROM THIS? HOW DO THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND THIS BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT IS NOT JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN ON SITE. IT'S ABOUT BEING CONSCIOUS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE AROUND. AND THIS SITE ALSO SERVES AS A BIT OF A CONNECTOR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH AS WELL. TO GET DOWN TO THE VILLAGE CENTER TO GET DOWN TO US, 62 WAS REALLY A BIT OF A DEAD ZONE IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE TO DO THAT. SO WE HOPE THIS BRIDGES THE GAP AS WELL. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS AN OPEN SPACE DIAGRAM BECAUSE IT'S AN INTRODUCTORY MEETING. WE DIDN'T PUT THE EXACT PERCENTAGE ON IT. BUT IF YOU ASK I'LL TELL YOU WE'RE WELL IN EXCESS OF OF THE YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN HERE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE A LITTLE CHOOSY IN WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER PART OF THE OPEN SPACE HERE. BUT IF WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN LIGHT GREEN IS TO BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE 33 TO 34% OPEN SPACE RANGE HERE. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WHICH IS HAS BEEN CLAIMED, APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER OPEN SPACE, WHICH WOULD HAVE PUT US OVER 41%. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN AROUND HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WEAVE INTO THIS. THIS JUST HAPPENS TO LOOK AT SOME OF THAT PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T DOT UP EVERY SIDEWALK AROUND EVERY BUILDING. BUT JUST WHAT YOU SEE IN GREEN HERE DEPICTED, THAT'S ABOUT TWO MILES WORTH OF SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS CRISS CROSSING THIS 27 ACRE SITE. SO WE'VE REALLY BEEN SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE IDEA THAT IF WE CAN'T PUT ALL OF THESE USES DIRECTLY ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, WE CAN MAKE THEM WALKABLE AND WE CAN MAKE THEM COMPELLING TO, TO, TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO GET COFFEE IN THE ENCLAVE, TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY ON THE SITE AND WELCOME VISITORS. IT'S NOT ALL, IT'S NOT A COMPLETELY SELF-SUSTAINING SITE. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT. YOU NEED TO WELCOME OUR NEIGHBORS. THIS IS THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION DIAGRAM. THERE ARE TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS, PARTICULARLY HERE AROUND THE VILLAGE. WE'VE GOT ONE DIRECTLY ON LEVEL HIGHER AS WELL AS THE MAIN ENTRANCE. THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM LINCOLN PARK. RIGHT PERSON. VERY QUICK. JUST SORT OF DEMONSTRATION OF HOW WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE THE SUB AREA. CERTAINLY THE WALTON PARKWAY SITE, WE JUST HIGHLIGHTED HOW IT IS ALREADY FALLING WITHIN SUBDISTRICT A AND B AS PART OF THE NORTH MILL GATEWAY DISTRICT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT HOW

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OVERLAY WITH THE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE SUBDISTRICT IMAGERY AS WELL. SOME PROJECTS, FOR INSTANCE, THIS IS SARAH, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH IS A GREAT AGGREGATE AROUND THE PLANET GEORGIA. SO IT'S REALLY JUST OTHER EXAMPLES OF HOW, HOW THIS. MOVING THROUGH THE SITE. THERE ARE ACTUALLY SOME BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FOCUS AREA PLAN THAT ALSO RESONATE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE. ONE OF THEM IS THE FLEX OFFICE, WHICH WE JUST IDENTIFIED HERE. THIS IS A LARGER BUILDING EXAMPLE THAT WAS SHOWN UP IN THE DOCUMENT, BUT WE FELT WAS ACTUALLY SPEAKING MORE TO THE DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF THE SCALE OF THE POTENTIAL OFFICE BUILDING HERE AT THE GATEWAY OF THE PROJECT. OTHER THAN THAT, WE PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO THINGS LIKE SETBACKS AND OTHER STANDARDS TO SEE THAT WE'RE MEETING THEM.

THERE'S A FEW MORE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. CAMPUS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE THINK SUPPORTS THE IDEA OF THE CLUSTERING OF BUILDINGS, NOT NECESSARILY THE MAIN STREET FORMAT OF DOWNTOWN NEW ALBANY, BUT SOMETHING THAT WORKS MORE FROM A VILLAGE ENCLAVE OF GETTING BUILDINGS AROUND FORMALLY AROUND PUBLIC SPACES AND CREATING MORE PEDESTRIAN ENERGY. SO WE'RE USING THIS ON SITE, YOU KNOW, AS AN ORGANIZING FORCE OF SOME OF OUR PLANNING INCREMENT. MORE OF THESE COURTYARDS. AN INTERESTING ONE. THE COURTYARD TYPOLOGY SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT RESIDENTIAL. IT'S, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IN SOME OF THE IMAGES WE'VE ACTUALLY USED ONE OF RASHAD'S BUILDINGS AS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT COULD COULD BE IN THIS AREA. IT SO HAPPENS THAT COURTYARD IS MARKED AS SOMETHING IN SUBDISTRICT. A, IT'S NOT CALLED OUT IN SUBDISTRICT B, BUT WE THOUGHT BECAUSE IT SPEAKS MORE TO RESIDENTIAL, THAT WE WOULD JUST INCLUDE IT ANYWAY. HERE YOU SEE AGAIN, THERE'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK BEHIND THIS. WE BROUGHT DOWN THE SCALE OF AN INCREMENT OF HOUSING ALONG THIS THIS WESTERN BORDER, WHICH WE THINK IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SCREENING AREAS. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN THE CENTRAL PARKING FOR THESE FLATS, AND WE PUT CARRIAGE NUMBERS ON THEM, WHICH ARE ALSO SETBACK OF AT LEAST 25FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK BEYOND THAT. SO THIS IS BRINGING IT DOWN TO TWO STORY SCALE, CARRIAGE HOME SCALE ALONG THE WESTERN BORDER THERE. AND THE ONE WE'RE MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS REALLY THE CENTRAL, THE CENTRAL PARK. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE IDEA OF CREATING COMMUNITY FACILITIES THAT REALLY BRIDGE BETWEEN THE IDEA OF COMMERCIAL, EDUCATIONAL, CULTURAL, HEALTH AND WELLNESS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, YOU KNOW, IN A SOCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE REALLY AT THE FRONT DOOR.

THEY'RE REALLY AT THE 50 YARD LINE OF THE PLAN. AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE INSPIRATIONS FOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BETWEEN AGRIHOOD, BETWEEN CONSERVATORY BUILDING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF LOOK OF INDOOR OUTDOOR MAGIC THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FINAL, I WOULD SAY INFORMATIONAL SLIDES. WE'VE GOT JUST A FEW LITTLE VIGNETTES TO FINISH THINGS OFF. THIS REALLY JUST SHOWS HOW WE CALCULATED THE RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITY HERE. PART OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE LAST PAGE OF THE FOCUS AREA PLAN. THERE'S

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YOU KNOW, THIS FINDING THE RIGHT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE AT THIS SCALE, IN THIS KIND OF FORMAT, IT'S GOING TO FIND ITS OWN EQUILIBRIUM AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE CAN'T FIND THE RIGHT OPERATORS, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP SEARCHING UNTIL WE DO, UNTIL IT FEELS VERY LOCAL. IT FEELS VERY NEW ALBANY. AND I'LL ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SLIDES ON MARKET REALITIES. YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF PLANNING AND REAL ESTATE NOWADAYS IS USES DON'T LIVE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN IN ORDER FOR GOOD QUALITY USERS, RETAIL THE TYPE OF USERS THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE IN ORDER FOR THOSE TO SUCCEED, IN ORDER FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING TO SUCCEED, USES ARE BLENDING IN TOGETHER AND ONTO THE SAME SITE. SO WHAT MIGHT FEEL AS OH, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE SAME. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY BRING THE AMENITIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BRING THE USES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BRING THESE SORT OF LEVELS OF CRITICAL MASS OF EACH USE TO COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER. SO IT MIGHT FEEL SIMILAR. I THINK THE SIZE AND AMOUNT OF EACH USE ARE, ARE DIFFERENT. AND I THINK THE AGGREGATE COMPONENT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SORT OF BREEZING OVER REALLY LARGE STROKES OF THE PROJECT, THE TRAIL SYSTEM, THE, THE AGRIHOOD COMPONENT, THE GREENHOUSE COMMUNITY EDUCATION. THAT IS OUR FOCUS HERE. I KNOW THEIR FOCUS WAS ENGAGING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON, ON THE ARTS AND OF SUGAR RUN CREEK ITSELF. HERE WE'RE FOCUSED ON A MOMENT OF REFUGE FROM THE OTHERWI BUSYNESS OF US. 62, A MOMENT TO RECHARGE. FROM WHAT YOU KNOW, NEW ALBANY HAS OTHERWISE BEEN KNOWN AS A VERY DATA CENTER FOCUSED, VERY SORT OF INTENSE USE AREA. SO THIS WAS A MOMENT THAT WE FEEL IS GOING TO BE VERY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO USE TO RECHARGE AND TAKE SOLACE AND ENGAGE IN THOSE THINGS. SO THE WAY TO SELL OFFICE IN A DECLINING OFFICE MARKET IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST OFFICE, IT'S THE STUFF AROUND IT THAT MAKES IT A DESIRABLE OFFICE TYPE OF THING.

YES, ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE A LITTLE WORRY ABOUT PRICES AND MARGINS AND SMALL OPERATORS THAT GET NARROW. UNLESS YOU FIND A BUSINESS THAT HAS ENOUGH MARGIN TO PAY THE NEW ALBANY RENT, THAT YOUR SMALL BUSINESS HAS TROUBLE GETTING A FOOTHOLD. I MEAN, JUST MARKET SQUARE STRUGGLED A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY DAYS WHERE THE THE HIGH RENT PLUS THE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMING ACROSS WELL OR NOT. NO, IT'S A GOOD POINT. AND THE WAY THAT TENDS TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT AND THE COMMERCIAL ARE VERY RELATED. IF YOU TRY TO IF YOU TRIED TO START WITH JUST THE RETAIL ENCLAVE HERE, YOU WOULD YOU WOULD STRUGGLE. PROBABLY IT'S. BUT IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE

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RIGHT? BUT I DON'T SEE THOSE CONNECTION POINTS LIKE A CENTRAL SQUARE OR A GRASS PATCH OR OPEN SPACE THAT REALLY INVITES PEOPLE TO GET TOGETHER. BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO FLIP BACK TO THE PLAN ABOUT HALF WAY THROUGH? I MEAN, WE WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO HAVE LIKE A CENTRAL SQUARE IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? MAYBE A COUPLE MORE SLIDES, OR MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE IT. I DID SEE NODDING OFF A LITTLE BIT THERE. BRUCE. MAYBE I DID. IT'S LATE. LET'S TALK ABOUT SWIMMING POOL BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THERE'S THERE ARE A FEW RELATED CERTAINLY MADE THE POINT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THIS. BUT IN TERMS OF WHERE THE MAIN GATHERING AREAS. SO THE COMMERCIAL CLUSTER HERE IS ONE THAT THAT AREA RIGHT THERE THAT'S ABOUT THAT'S ABOUT AN 80 FOOT SQUARE BUILDING WITH NO CARS. THAT'S A VERY SUBSTANTIAL GATHERING SPACE. BUT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE REAL CENTRAL ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THE CONSERVATORY, WHICH IS THE HEART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? PARKING. I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT WITH PARKING THAT YOU SEE. YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THE PARKING HERE FOR A HOTEL AND 30,000, 25, 30,000FT OF RETAIL THAT COULD HAVE SOME RESTAURANT. AND FRANKLY, WE HAVE TO WORK REALLY HARD TO PARK THAT. SO THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LESS THAN A COUPLE OF HUNDRED SPACES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT WITH IN TERMS OF MIXED USE OVER HERE, THE OFFICE, IF WE FIND THAT FOR THE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, THE REASON WHY YOU SEE AS MUCH PARKING AS YOU DO IS TO ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY AT THE MOMENT TO HAVE A CONFERENCE CENTER AND SOME OTHER ELEMENTS HERE WITH A MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS, WHICH PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFICES, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT AROUND YOUR OFFICE, REQUIRES A LOT OF PARKING. SO AGAIN, IT'S A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE AMOUNT OF PARKING TO SUPPORT A 2 TO 3 STORY OFFICE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS A, A CONFERENCE COMPONENT. WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO KEEP THE PARKING OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONNECTIVITY HERE IN TERMS OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING, WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP IT CLUSTERED AND REALLY KIND OF A GROWTH FORMAT SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE AND A HALF PER UNIT WE'RE CURRENTLY PLANNING AT. SO. THE FUNNY THING IS, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SELL THE SOCIAL HEART OF THE PLAN, YOU START TO ZOOM IN ON WHERE DO PEDESTRIANS ARE HERE AND HERE AND REALLY AT THE FRONT DOOR TRYING TO BRING THAT, THAT IDEA OF A COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT TO THE VERY FRONT OR CORNER. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT IS DEFINITELY NOT YOUR TYPICAL, LIKE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF I DIDN'T PUT THEM IN THIS DAY, BUT WE'VE DONE OVERLAYS OF DOWNTOWN NEW, OFTEN THINGS ON THE SITE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY TOWN CENTER PLANS YOU CAN OVERLAY ON THE SITE AND YOU REALIZE, YOU KNOW, HOW VERY, VERY QUICKLY THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET THE TOWN SQUARE, YOU CAN GET A FEW BUILDINGS. BUT WHAT YOU GET ON THE PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW HOW THE PLAN ULTIMATELY PARKS. SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY INTEGRATING THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, HIDING IT. YOU SEE IT FROM THE PRIMARY. BUT MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE PROCEED DOWN THE ROAD OF AN APPROVED PLAN, THAT IT ALSO HAS THE SMELL TEST, SMELL TEST OF SOMETHING THAT PARKS THAT WANTS TO BE DEVELOPED. SO, SO FAR, I WOULD SAY WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSERVATIVE IN HOW WE'VE DONE THIS. IT WILL GET ADJUSTED. THIS IS LITERALLY

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