[I. Call to order]
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 17TH, 2026. CAN I HEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? PRESENT, MR. WALLACE. PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS HERE. MR. LARSEN, PRESENT. DOCTOR SEIGEL, PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. PRESENT. ALL VOTING MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE HAVE A
[III. Action on minutes: July 20, 2026 ]
QUORUM. THANK YOU. THANKS. MR. ITEM THREE ACTIONS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE LONG MEETING ON JULY 20TH. WERE THERE CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? NONE FOR ME NOW. ANY CORRECTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES OF JULY 20TH? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 2026 MEETING. I SUBMITTED, I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ON THE MINUTES? OKAY. THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. WALLACE? YES. MR. KIRBY. YES.MR. LARSEN. YES, DOCTOR. SEIGEL. YES. MISS. BRIGGS. YES. THE EYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES
[IV. Additions or corrections to the agenda ]
WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA? YES. BEN WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING AHEAD OF OUR CASE. AND THEN WE HAVE AN INFORMAL REVIEW FOR THE NEW ALBANY LINKS GOLF COURSE. OKAY. THE INFORMAL REVIEW GOES UNDER OTHER BUSINESS, I PRESUME, OR. YES. OKAY. WOULD EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. AND NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE. HEARING OF VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE[VI. Cases]
HAVE ANY SUCH VISITORS? HEARING NONE, WE MOVE ON TO OUR CASES. BEN. YOU HAD. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO I GUESS, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENT REGARDING OUR LONG MEETING LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION. FIRST, THERE WAS AN APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE COMMISSION'S DENIAL OF FDP 32, 2026, WHICH WAS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 6600 NEW ALBANY CONDUIT ROAD. SHORTLY AFTER THE THE MEETING, WE DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY MAY PURSUE EITHER RECONSIDERATION OR APPEAL. THEY CHOSE TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO HEAR THE MATTER, I BELIEVE, ON SEPTEMBER 1ST AT ITS MEETING, AND I THINK AS A RESULT OF HEARING THE MATTER, COUNCIL MAY ACCEPT THE PELL GRANT, THE APPEAL, REJECT THE APPEAL OR REMAND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH SOME GUARDRAILS AND AND OTHER THINGS FOR CONSIDERATION. SO I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT IN CASE WE SEE IT AGAIN, OR IN CASE YOU HEAR ABOUT IT, THAT THAT'S THAT'S GOING ON BEFORE COUNCIL. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO RAISE IN THAT MEETING, AND IT WAS A LONG MEETING AND, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. I THINK THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO SOME REFRESHERS ON WITH YOU AS THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING IMPROPERLY. SO IF THE. ONE OF THE NEXT MEETINGS UNDER OTHER BUSINESS, WE MAY TAKE 5 OR 10 MINUTES AND DO A REFRESHER ON CERTAIN ISSUES, WE, I THINK, ARE GOING TO REVISIT HOW WE DO STAFF REPORTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OUTLINING WHAT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS REVIEW ARE FOR, WHETHER IT'S A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, VARIANCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REVISIT THAT. AND SO WE MAY TAKE A FEW MINUTES GOING OVER THOSE AND SOME OF THE VARIOUS STANDARDS.AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY DO A GENERAL REVIEW OF SOME OF THE OPEN MEETINGS REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE WHISPERING UP ON THE DAIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCEEDING, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM FOR US IN THE EVENT THAT WE GET THAT APPEALED. SO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING A BRIEF REVIEW OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES THE NEXT TIME AROUND. AND WE ALSO MAY, LIKE YOU SAID, THE STAFF REPORTS MAY START TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT FORM AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO THAT'S AND THE, THE CONTINUING OUR PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT OR EVALUATION IS HOW WE CAN DO BETTER. THAT'S THAT'S THE ROUTE WE'RE GOING TO GO. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE HEADS UP. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, BUT WHAT'S WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THE APPEAL TO COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER OPTION. WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE RECONSIDERATION STUFF. BUT WHAT IS THERE A STANDARD OF REVIEW OR SOMETHING? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED IS THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THE DENIAL OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT ALL THAT OUR RULES SAY, EXCEPT THAT COUNCIL SHALL SHALL ACT WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD. SO WE SPEND A LOT OF
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TIME AT THE LAST COUNCIL SESSION ABOUT WHAT WHAT PATH DO WE WANT TO TAKE MOVING FORWARD? WHAT PRECEDENT DO WE WANT TO SET? THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT IN THE WAY OF GUIDANCE AND PROCEDURE. SO COUNCIL HAS TAKEN THE POSITION. THEY'RE GOING TO AT LEAST HEAR IT AND SEE THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED AND THEN CONSIDER ITS OPTIONS AT THAT POINT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE WITH OUR YOU'LL PROBABLY NOTICE IN THE STAFF REPORTS. IS SETTING FORTH A STANDARD REVIEW FOR LIKE THIS COMMISSION, THE FACTORS THAT IT NEEDS TO LOOK AT IN REVIEWING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS OPPOSED TO A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE MIGHT DO A BETTER JOB SETTING FORTH WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. I THINK LAST TIME AROUND, OUR STANDARDS WEREN'T WEREN'T CLEAR OR WEREN'T 100% CORRECT AS TO WHAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER. SO IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO EFFECTIVELY DO A DE NOVO REVIEW AND THEN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT FROM THERE. AGAIN, THE RULES ARE VAGUE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON WITH STAFF ABOUT. MAYBE WE WANT TO LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO BETTER DEFINE WHEN CAN YOU APPEAL TO COUNCIL AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS ONCE IT GETS THERE? SO COUNCIL COULD BASICALLY JUST MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION THAN WHAT WE DID. YEAH. SO AND AGAIN, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT WITHOUT GOING TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS, THE STAFF REPORT OUTLINED A STANDARD REVIEW AS IT RELATES TO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS. THERE'S DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. AND WE DIDN'T LIST IN THERE. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS COUNCIL COULD DO ANY NUMBER. THEY COULD EVALUATE IT ON THOSE STANDARDS, OR THEY COULD SEND IT BACK TO YOU TO REVISIT WITH THOSE STANDARDS. OKAY, THANKS. AND JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YEAH.SO WE HAD, AGAIN, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT AT COUNCIL. AND NOBODY REALLY HAD ANY RECOLLECTION, RECOLLECTION OF ANYBODY APPEALING TO COUNCIL IN THIS THIS SITUATION. SO IT WAS IT'S IT WAS NEW FOR EVERYONE GOING THROUGH IT, NOTABLY BECAUSE THIS IS AN ITEM COUNCIL DOES NOT NORMALLY SEE. CORRECT? CORRECT. UNLIKE A ZONING WHERE COUNCIL GETS THE LAST CRACK AT IT AND CAN DO AS THEY PLEASE BASED ON THE ADVICE OF COMMISSION. YEAH, CORRECT.
THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND THIS ONE, I THINK IT'S PRETTY LIMITED AS TO WHAT CAN BE APPEALED TO COUNCIL. BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE COGNIZANT THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW MAY SET PRECEDENT IN THE FUTURE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE NAVIGATE THAT VERY, VERY CAREFULLY AS WE TIPTOE THROUGH THE TULIPS. AND I THINK IT IS REALLY LIMITED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD HAS HISTORICALLY AND CONTINUES TODAY TO BE AN EXCELLENT BOARD, VERY, YOU KNOW, VALUED VOLUNTEER, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME ON A MONDAY. RIGHT? I KNOW THAT YOU ALL TAKE THESE CASES VERY SERIOUSLY. AND SO PLEASE DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING FROM THIS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED. THANK YOU. WHICH TAKES US A CONDITIONAL USE. WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THIS. WE DON'T GET ELECTED. SO YEAH. AND THERE THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT THAT WHOLE PROCESS I THINK WE HAVE TO EVALUATE AND I, AND I WANT TO GO OVER THAT. AND I THINK IT STARTS WITH. I MEAN, STAFF REPORTS THAT WE'LL GO OVER HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOME OF THESE ISSUES, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AND REVIEW, AND WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THINGS. BUT THE ONE THING IS WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CARRYING ON SIDE CONVERSATIONS DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING. SO, SO WE'LL SPEND THE TIME, TRY TO FIND A SHORTER AGENDA AND THEN DO ANOTHER BUSINESS. TAKE FIVE, TEN, 15 MINUTES TO GO OVER SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU.
GREAT. THANKS. US THE CONDITIONAL USE 53 2026. WHAT CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF PLEASE? YES. SO THIS PROPOSED MODEL HOME IS LOCATED ON LOT ONE OF THE SUBDIVISION WHICH IS OFF THE CORNER OF BETHLEHEM, BETHLEHEM AND WALNUT, DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE FIELD HOUSE AND PUBLIC SERVICE DEPARTMENT. RIGHT OFF THE MAP HERE. SORRY, IT WOULD BE ENTERING FROM THE WALNUT STREET, WHICH IS ON GOING THIS WAY. AND THEN THE RED BOX IS A LOT ONE. SO THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT. JUST AS A REMINDER, WOODHAVEN HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THREE OTHER MODEL HOMES PREVIOUSLY ON LOTS 52 AND 51, WHICH ARE DOWN HERE IN THE RESTRICTED SECTION. AND THEN LOT 28 UP HERE, LOT 52 AND 28 ARE NOW OWNED AND OCCUPIED IN LOT 51 WAS NEVER ACTUALLY USED AS A SALES OFFICE, AND THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT IF THIS LOT AND MODEL HOME GET APPROVED TONIGHT, IT WILL BE THE ONLY MODEL HOME IN THE COMMUNITY. JUST AS A REFRESHER, AS SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT, THESE ARE THE CRITERIA FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. JUST AS A REFRESHER, I'M LOOKING FOR THE SIGNAGE ON THE MODEL HOME. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO DO A SIX
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SQUARE FOOT SIGN, WHICH WILL BE FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND BE LOCATED TEN FEET FROM THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH MEETS CODE, AND THERE WILL BE NO LIGHTING ON THE SIGNAGE.LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING, THE APPLICANT HAS AND WILL INSTALL LANDSCAPING AND LANDSCAPING BEDS IN FRONT OF THE AND SIDES OF THE HOME. IN ADDITION, AS SEEN ON LANDSCAPING PLAN, EVERGREEN AND DECIDUOUS TREES WILL BE PLANTED ON ALL ON THREE SIDES OF THE HOME AND WITH WALNUT TREE FRONTAGE HAVING EXISTING TREES ALONG IT ALREADY. THE MODEL HOME WILL OPERATE FRIDAY THROUGH TUESDAY FROM NOON TILL FIVE, GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER MODEL HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THE APPLICANT STATES THAT STAFF AND CUSTOMERS WILL PARK ON THE STREET, WHICH IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, AND THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVED UNTIL THE LAST LOT IN THE SUBDIVISION IS SOLD, AND IF THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH, AND IF THEY COULD DO IT FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER MODEL HOMES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS IN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND I, AS WELL AS APPLICANT, ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. I TRUST THERE'S NO ENGINEERING.
NO. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING TO ADD? THE APPLICANT HERE? I DON'T KNOW. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? KIRK IS 3907 STONE WAY, COLUMBUS, OHIO 4221. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SO I NOTICE THE CONDITION THAT IS LISTED. IT SAYS. THE APPROVAL WILL BE PERMITTED FOR TWO YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST LOT IS SOLD. BUT THEN IN THE ACTION, THE CONDITION IS THE MODEL HOME IS PERMITTED TO OPERATE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS. SO ARE WE TRYING TO SAY UP TO TWO YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST LOT IS SOLD, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST, OR YOU'RE SORRY FOR THAT CONFUSION, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT IT BE UNTIL THE LAST LOT IS SOLD. BUT IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH, THEN AT LEAST THE TWO YEARS. SO HOW MANY LOTS ARE ALREADY SOLD? WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH. YOU'RE HALFWAY THROUGH. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC WHETHER 40 LOTS AND 20 HAVE BEEN SOLD? ACTUALLY, THIS AERIAL IS SLIGHTLY OUT OF DATE, BUT. OKAY, THERE'S 60 LOTS. 26 ARE EITHER SOLD OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION. OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THERE ON THE LOT? LOT ONE. ALL ALONG THE STEEPLE WOULD SHOW PEOPLE THE FRONT OF THE HOME FACES WALNUT. IT WAS A CONDITIONAL ZONING, SO THE FRONT FACING WALNUT. BUT THE PARKING LOT. ONCE PEOPLE WOULD.
THERE'S PROBABLY ROOM FOR SIX CARS JUST ON THAT LOT. AND OF COURSE THE STREET GOES ALL AROUND. SO THERE'S. SO MANY PARKING SPACES ARE ALLOWED ON THE STREET BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT THE PARKING WILL BE ON THE STREET, BUT THERE IS A PARKING LOT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL NOT BE USED. IT'S NOT A PARKING LOT, IT'S JUST THEIR DRIVEWAY. THE DRIVEWAY WILL NOT BE USED FOR ON SITE PARKING. WENG. WE DT PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY. THE MODELS TYPICALLY. OKAY, AND HOW MANY CARS CAN BE ON THE STREET. LIKE. SUPPOSE THERE ARE TWO CLIENTS OR. I MEAN, THERE'S STREET PARKING AROUND THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW MANY WOULD BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF LOT ONE, THOUGH, BUT IT WOULD NOT INTERRUPT THE ENTRANCE OF WALNUT STREET, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE NOT STUDYING THE GARAGE AS A SALES OFFICE.
THERE'S NO CONVERSIONS, NO WARNING, NO DOORS. IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE HOUSE.
THERE'LL BE NO CONVERSION. SO. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORDS FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 53, 2026. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE,
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MR. KIRBY. YES. YES. MR. LARSON. YES. DOCTOR. SEIGEL. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES, THE AYES HAVE IT.MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. CONDITIONAL USE 53 2026, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION OF THE STAFF REPORT MODIFIED THAT IT IS UP TO TWO YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST LOT IS SOLD AND CAN BE RENEWED IF THEY COME BACK TO COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A SECOND ON THE MOTION? I SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
THE ROLL PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES, DOCTOR. SEIGEL. YES, MISS BRIGGS YES. MR. LARSON. YES.
MR. WALLACE. YES, YOU GUYS HAVE IT. THE MOTION PASSES WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION. THE MODEL IS PERMITTED TO OPERATE UP TO TWO YEARS OR UNTIL THE LAST LOT IN THE SUBDIVISION IS SOLD AND CAN BE RENEWED BY THE COMMISSION.
[VII. Other business ]
GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. TAKES US TO THE OTHER BUSINESS AND THE INFORMAL REVIEW THAT WAS ADDED.HI, I'M JUSTIN WASCO WITH NEW ALBANY LINKS WHERE BEN AND I ARE MANAGING PARTNERS OF THE PROPERTY. WE'RE HERE FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW OF BASICALLY A NEW KIND OF, WELL, A NEW LAND USE OF THE FORMER DRIVING RANGE AT NEW ALBANY LINKS. SO THE FIRST SLIDE YOU SEE IS WHAT THE DRIVING RANGE LOOKED LIKE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 2009. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE DRIVING RANGE, AS IT WAS IN ABOUT AUGUST OF 2023. OWNERS PRIOR TO US HAD CUT DOWN A BUNCH OF TREES AND MOUNDING AS PART OF THE DRIVING RANGE. THE TEE WAS MOVED AND THIS CAUSED SOME ISSUES THAT CAUSED GOLF BALLS TO GO OFF THE DRIVING RANGE. I THINK SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUES WITH THE DRIVING RANGE. WE ARE HERE TO PROPOSE A NEW USE FOR THAT LAND AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S A SHORT COURSE. ALL THE IT WOULD BE NINE HOLES.
HOLES WOULD BE 75 TO 125 YARDS. IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A GREAT COMMUNITY ASSET. IT WOULD BE FOR JUNIORS, THOSE BEGINNING THE GAME. AND IT WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, BRING NEW ENTRANTS INTO THE GAME OF GOLF. IT WOULD PREVENT GOLF BALL. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HITTING DRIVERS OFF THE DRIVING RANGE ONTO ADJACENT PARCELS. WE'RE HERE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND INITIAL COMMENTS ON THIS USE. GOOD QUESTION. THE HOLES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE NEIGHBORS, I PRESUME THE TEE TEEING OFF DIRECTION IS AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINES. YES. AND WE'VE ALREADY ENGAGED BOTH NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN THE PROPOSED PLAN, AND WE PLAN TO CONTINUE ENGAGING WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE PLAN UNTIL WE COME BACK. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION, THEIR OPINION OF THIS WOULD BE A STRONG THING TO BRING WITH YOU. WHEN THIS BECOMES AN ACTUAL APPLICATION, BUT THEIR OPINION OF THIS POSSIBLY WRITTEN AND OR THEIR VERY PRESENCE IN THE MEETING, YES, WOULD WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOUR CASE. OF COURSE WE PLAN ON THAT. OKAY. THE LAST SLIDE YOU'D SEE IS JUST A LOCAL EXAMPLE OF A SIMILARLY SIMILARLY SCALED SHORT COURSE IN COLUMBUS, OHIO. THAT'S GREAT. WILL THERE BE ANY SORT OF NETTING OR FENCING AROUND THE SHORT COURSE? NO. BUT YOU DON'T THINK YOU NEED IT BECAUSE THE BALLS WON'T GO THAT FAR? NO. I MEAN, ALL THE HOLES ARE 75 TO 125 YARDS AND THEY'RE ORIENTED, YOU KNOW, NOT THE WAY THE DRIVING RANGE IS, WHICH IS ORIENTED AT THE PROPERTIES.
SEEMS HELPFUL. TO SHOW ON THE PICTURE WHICH HOUSES ARE CLOSE, WHICH PROPERTIES ARE CLOSE,
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WHERE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE OR IF YOU GO TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. YEAH, TO THE SOUTH IS WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH AND TO THE NORTH IS A PRIVATE HOME. OKAY. YOU SAID THAT THE THIRD SLIDE IS, IS A, IS CONCEPTUAL. IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE. NO, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL SLIDE FOR PRESENTING OUR CONCEPT. THIS ISN'T THE EXACT ROUTING. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WORK WITH AN ARCHITECT. WE'LL GATHER FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS YOURSELVES TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE OPTIMAL ROUTING AND LOCATION OF ALL THE GREENS, YOU'D BE READY TO ACCEPT A CONDITION THAT THE TEE BOXES POINT THE BALLS AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY'RE CLOSEST TO. WE'D HAVE TO ENGAGE IN A SESSION WITH THAT. BUT I MEAN, CAN YOU DEFINE A WAY? IS THIS. DIRECTION NOT THIS IS ME GIVING ADVICE TO YOU THAT'S FREE AND WORTH EVERY PENNY. SO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE CONVINCING TO THE PEOPLE WHO WILL VOTE ON IT. IT NEEDS TO BE CONVINCING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES. ABSOLUTELY. IF PARTICULARLY IF YOUR NEIGHBORS SAY, WE LIKE THIS, WE THINK IT WON'T HAVE ANY GOLF BALLS AT ALL ON OUR PROPERTY, THEN YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB. THAT'S OUR GOAL. WE DON'T PLAN TO BRING IT BACK FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION UNTIL WE HAVE THEIR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. WERE ANY I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK, I WAS ON THE COMMISSION WHEN WE REVIEWED THE THE DRIVING RANGE A FEW YEARS AGO, AND WE APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS, AS I RECALL, AND MOST OF THE CONDITIONS HAD TO DO WITH EITHER NETTING OR OR TREES OR OTHER VEGETATION THAT WOULD HELP TO KEEP THE GOLF BALLS AWAY FROM THE CHURCH. PRIMARILY, WERE ANY OF THOSE THE VEGETATION OR THE NETTING? WAS ANY OF THAT PUT IN? WAS THE DRIVING RANGE EVER PUT BACK INTO USE? THAT WAS NOT PUT IN BY THE PRIOR EXCUSE ME, THAT WAS NOT PUT IN BY THE PRIOR? NO. OKAY. SO NONE OF THE VEGETATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT WE REQUIRED THAT HAVE TO GO IN TO ALLOW THE DRIVING RANGE TO GO HAS BEEN PUT IN, OR HAS SOME OF IT BEEN PUT IN? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID NOT ACT ON THAT. SO WE'RE BASICALLY ON ANOTHER KIND OF A BLANK SLATE HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE DESIGN OF THE SHORT WILL BE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. SO TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NOT AN APPRECIABLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE SEE IN THE AUGUST OF THREE YEARS AGO PICTURE AND THE ON THE GROUND SITUATION. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH.SCREENING FOR THE ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT THAT YOU'VE GOT A PLAN IN PLACE THAT THAT NEIGHBOR IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH. ABSOLUTELY. JUMP IN FROM A COUPLE ITEMS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IN WHAT YOU SHARED WITH US, THE FOURTH PAGE, WHICH SHE SAID WAS A, I WAS, IS IT A CONCEPT OR IS IT A IT'S JUST IT'S A LOCAL EXAMPLE. IT'S IN PRACTICE RIGHT NOW. YES, IT'S IN HERE IN COLUMBUS, JUST TO GET A SENSE OF A SIMILARLY SIZED AND SCALED PROJECT. AND IT'S AT A CORRESPOND A LITTLE BEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THESE ARE ARTIFICIAL TURF GREENS. THEY'RE NOT ACTUAL GRASS. ARE YOU GUYS INVOLVED WITH THIS COURSE AS WELL? AND THEN I THINK JUST TO ADD, I THINK ON THE THIRD SLIDE, THE, THE CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE SHOWCASING TONIGHT. IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOWS A FEW TREES AND SOME SCREENING IN THE ONE AREA. THEY'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, BUT I'M CURIOUS WHY THERE'S MAYBE NOT A LITTLE BIT MORE ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE EAST. AND THEN I GUESS A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE WEST. IS THERE ANY REASON FOR THAT? DO YOU JUST YOU JUST DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO TO THE WEST OF THE PARKING LOT AREA? DOES ANYONE HAVE A POINTER? THANK YOU. LIKE RIGHT ALONG HERE TO THE SOUTH.
SORRY TO THE SOUTH. AND THOSE ARE TREES THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE PUTTING IN. RIGHT. SO THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME NEW TREES HERE. YES. MY QUESTION IS WHY NOT MORE TREES HERE AND WHY NOT MORE TREES HERE. THAT'S MOUNDING THAT WE THINK IS SUFFICIENT TO CONTAIN ALL THE GOLF BALLS. SO THIS, THIS THE THE COLOR CHANGE HERE LIKE TO A KIND OF A YELLOWISH. YEAH. IT'S KIND OF OVERGROWN IS MOUNTING HERE AND HERE AND HERE. LOOKS LIKE MAYBE HERE AND HERE. YES.
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IF MORE TREES ARE WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS IS NECESSARY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT.YEAH. HOW HIGH IS THIS MOUNT THE MOUNDS. YEAH. I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN. WE HAVEN'T DONE THE FULL PLAN, BUT GENERALLY 4 TO 6FT. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO KNOW. YEAH. THE HEIGHT OF THE MOUNDS. AND YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN SAY RIGHT NOW AS I'M SITTING HERE THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTING MORE TREES IN THIS AREA, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAYBE DEPEND ON SOME OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS, BUT. THERE'S CURRENTLY A NET RIGHT WHERE THOSE TREES ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND WE WOULD PROPOSE REPLACING, YOU KNOW, THE NET WITH THOSE TREES. OKAY. THAT'S A REALLY KEY DETAIL, I THINK, FOR YEAH, EVEN FOR LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO LIKE PHOTO SIMULATIONS OR EVEN ON THIS CONCEPT, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT DEPICTED IN SOME WAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON NEIL'S COMMENT EARLIER, JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE KEY SPOTS ARE, THE CHURCH AND THE STREET AREA ON THE ON THE EAST. AND THEN, AS I RECALL FROM THE PRAYER MEETING, IT WASN'T A, THE PROBLEM PROPERTY TO THE NORTH WASN'T A HUGE PROBLEM. BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT. SO, SO JUST WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR DESIGNERS GO IN, JUST KEEP, KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, YOU FELT THAT THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO KEEP THE BALLS OUT. BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND, YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THE FIVE OF US THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE PRIOR OWNER HAD WHEN THEY CAME IN WITH THE, THE PLAN FOR THE DRIVING RANGE IS THEY HAD TO THEY KIND OF THOUGHT IN THEIR MIND, THEY HAD IT ALL FIGURED OUT. AND THEN THEY RAN INTO SOME OPPOSITION. WHEN THEY CAME TO US, THEY GOT IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY DIDN'T NEVER PUT IT INTO EFFECT. SO JUST BEAR IN MIND. AND WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR DESIGNERS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER SHORTER CLUBS GOING, GOING TOWARD THOSE AREAS, POSSIBLY. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE SCREENING AND THE NETTING THAT YOU MENTIONED. SO JUST KEEP THOSE IN MIND AS YOU COME FORWARD AND WITH US WITH THE PLAN. ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE READ THROUGH THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING THE LAST FIVE YEARS EXTENSIVELY. SO WE'RE WELL AWARE AND IT'S A VERY WE DON'T PLAN TO BRING ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T THINK HAS GREAT. IT'S A NEAT CONCEPT. SO THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. IT REALLY IS SO AND KIND OF UNIQUE, I THINK, TO THE AREA. SO IT COULD BE VERY, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME LIKE IT COULD BE VERY POPULAR. SO THANK YOU. WE'RE LOOKING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A EXCELLENT PROPOSAL. SO THERE MAY NOT BE ROOM OR NEED, BUT OTHER DEVELOPERS, WHEN THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE SOMETIMES PUT, HAVE GOTTEN PERMISSION FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO PUT SOME OF THE SCREENING ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY SO THAT THAT GAVE SOME DEVELOPERS THE DEPTH THEY NEEDED TO GET ENOUGH FOOTAGE OF SCREENING. BUT THAT REQUIRED A WE CAN'T MANDATE IT, AND B, IT REQUIRES THE PERMISSION OF THE NEIGHBORS.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD OFFER IT TO THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT AS YOU'RE LAYING OUT, WELL, THE TREES WILL GO HERE. WELL, THIS ONE'S KIND OF SCREWED UP. IF IT WAS FOUR FEET OVER THE LINE, IT WOULD BE GREAT. AND IF THE NEIGHBORS AGREE AND YOU BRING IT, THEN IT'S PART OF THE. THE THING NOT REQUIRED MAY NOT BE MANDATED. OF COURSE, I HAVE ONE JUST CURIOSITY QUESTION. AT ONE POINT, THE LYNX, I THINK, WAS OWNED BY LIKE A CONGLOMERATE THAT OWNED 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT GOLF COURSES IN CENTRAL OHIO. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IS IT IS IT NO LONGER AND IT'S NOW ITS OWN ENTITY. WE ALSO OWN GLEN ROSS GOLF CLUB. OKAY. GOLF COURSE IN DELAWARE. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. AND JUST IN CASE, IF THERE IS ANY DAMAGE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, WHO BEARS THE COST OF THE DAMAGE? IS IT THE LYNX GOLF CLUB OR IS IT THE PROPERTY OWNER? I'M. I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GUESS AN ANSWER AT THAT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH NEGLIGENCE OR. YEAH, I, I OKAY. THEN THAT'S THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WITH THAT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE GOLF COURSE.
IT'S PROBABLY THE PERSON WHO HIT THE GOLF BALL. YEAH. THE GOLFER IS TYPICALLY THE FIRST IN LINE, RIGHT. ASSUMING THEY CAN TRACK THEM DOWN. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. TAKES US TO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OTHER BUSINESS IF I COULD INTERRUPT. GO FOR IT. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE IAN FROM OUR LAW FIRM.
HE'S ONE OF OUR NEWER ATTORNEYS. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT I MAY NEED SOMEONE TO FILL IN FOR ME,
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YOU MAY SEE IAN ON OCCASION. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BRING HIM OUT AND INTRODUCE HIM TO EVERYBODY. AND I'VE TOLD HIM WHAT A GOOD GROUP IT IS. SO HE'S LOOKING FORWARD TO HELPING OUT. I'M GLAD HE WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING. YEAH, BECAUSE HE MIGHT NOT COME BACK. HEY, LOOK, WE ALL MADE IT BACK, SO IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT. FOR THE RECORD, I THOUGHT ABOUT NOT JUST I HOPE IT'S ON THE RECORD. IT GOT A LITTLE MESSY AS WE APPROACHED THE FIFTH HOUR. YEAH, BUT WE MADE IT. WE MADE IT, WE MADE IT. BUT YEAH. SO IAN, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU SEE HIM ON OCCASION, HE'S JUST PLAYING THE ROLE WITH ME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WELCOME. YEAH. AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A REPEAT OF THE LYNX ITSELF. WHEN THE LYNX ITSELF WAS ZONED, IT TOOK TILL TWO IN THE MORNING TO DO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE POLL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. IS THERE* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.