Aug 18, 2026 City Council

ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE READY. YEAH. YEP. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MASON. THE ROLL, PLEASE. AND IF COUNCIL WILL TURN ON THEIR MICROPHONES. MAYOR SPALDING HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KIST IS OUT DUE TO TRAVEL AND HAS REQUESTED TO BE EXCUSED. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLELLAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT HERE. I HAVE SIX PRESENT FOR THE AUGUST 18TH, 2026 REGULAR MEETING AND I MOVE THAT WE EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF COUNCIL MEMBER KISS SECOND MAYOR SPALDING. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILTROUT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCCLELLAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRUCE. YES. SIX. YES. VOTES TO EXCUSE. COUNCIL MEMBER

[4. ACTION ON MINUTES]

[ 5. ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA]

I'VE RECEIVED NO REQUESTS. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE SCREAMING RIGHT ALONG HEARING YOU. VISITORS DO NOT HAVE ANY VISITOR CARDS. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING A MATTER THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING,

[ 7. BOARD/COMMISSION REPORTS]

AND ALSO, I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A REALLY COOL AMENITY. LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE THEY HAVE A NEW OWNER, THEY'RE PUTTING A LOT OF NEW ENERGY INTO THE PROJECT. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION GAVE SOME NOTES ABOUT INCREASING SOME BUFFERING AND SOME TREES TO EVEN TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS EVEN MORE. AND THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK, HOPEFULLY WITH MORE REVIEWS. AND LITERALLY LIKE IN MY HANDS HERE, THIS IS THE SHORT COURSE PROPOSAL.

THAT'S IT. VERY SHORT MEETING. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT UPDATE. ALL RIGHT. MR. MCCLELLAND, ANY UPDATE FROM THE PARKS AND TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD? THERE WAS NO MEETING THE ARAB.

YES. THERE WAS A MEETING ON AUGUST 10TH, AND THERE WERE TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST WAS THE THIRD PASS REVIEW OF 6915 CENTRAL COLLEGE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1300 ZERO SQUARE FEET. AND IT WAS GONE THROUGH AGAIN WITH SIGNIFICANT DETAIL, BUT

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IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE ENTIRE AGENDA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THAT UPDATE, THIS LOCATION. ANYTHING ELSE? I SEE THAT THERE'S A GOLF COURSE. I JUST WANT TO. CLEAR THAT. CLEAR THAT WHOLE AREA. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY UPDATE FROM THE BZA? NO MEETING. AND CASEY IS NOT HERE FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD. WE'LL CATCH THAT NEXT MEETING. ANY UPDATE FROM THE IDEA AND IMPLEMENTATION PANEL? YES. UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND, AND IT WAS COUNCILWOMAN WILTROUT, BUT STAFF WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE US A SUMMARY. THEY DID A 2026 BUSINESS REVIEW. THEY HAD $110,000 BUDGET FOR 2026 THUS FAR THROUGH JULY 31ST, THEY'VE ACTUALLY SPENT $27,737.62. THEY HAVE THE CULTURAL CELEBRATION OF DIWALI, THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS THAT'S GOING TO BE IN ITS FOURTH YEAR, WILL TAKE PLACE ON NOVEMBER 7TH AT THE HINSON AMPHITHEATER. WE HAVE ALREADY SECURED FOR 2026 $21,500 IN SPONSORSHIP MONEY FOR THAT EVENT. WE HAD A NUMBER OF EVENTS THIS YEAR THAT I SHOULD SAY INITIATIVES ON THE THEME OF ACCESSIBILITY, INCLUDING CULTURE CITY CERTIFICATION. EMPLOYEES WERE TRAINED TO RECOGNIZE, RECOGNIZE AND SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS WITH SENSORY NEEDS AND AND INVISIBLE DISABILITIES. SENSORY TENT. WE HAVE A QUIETER PLACE FOR OUTDOOR EVENTS EQUIPPED WITH SENSORY TOOLS. NOW THE ACCOMMODATION STATION. WE HAVE A PORTION AT THE END OF THE 4TH OF JULY PARADE, WHERE PARTICIPANTS ARE REQUIRED TO LOWER THEIR VOLUME, REFRAIN FROM THROWING THINGS AND NO FLASHING LIGHTS. AND THE PARADE HAD A DEDICATED, ACCESSIBLE PARKING LOT MOMENTUM REFRESH. WE HAVE A FULLY ACCESSIBLE, UNIVERSALLY DESIGNED MOBILE RESTROOM THAT WILL BE PLACED AT OKTOBERFEST. SO THIS WAS OUR YEAR OF ACCESSIBILITY. WE REALLY TRIED TO FOCUS ON THAT AS PART OF INCLUSION, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY NICE THINGS AS OUR ANNUAL EDUCATION SERIES. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAD THE FAR OUT, AWESOME LIT FIRE INTERGENERATIONAL EVENTS WITH FIVE DIFFERENT GENERATIONS COMING TOGETHER TO EXPLORE HOW EACH GENERATION COMMUNICATES.

WE HAD THE NEW ALBANY 101 SUPER SUPPER, AND IT WAS SUCH AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE THAT WE'VE ALREADY SECURED THE FIELD HOUSE FOR 2027, BECAUSE WE CAN NO LONGER FIT OVER AT THE HEIGHT CENTER, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT ANNUALLY. OUR COMMUNITY CONNECTORS. AS OF AUGUST 2026, WE HAVE 17 CONNECTORS REPRESENTING 15 NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF EVENTS IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING A RANGOLI MAKING PARTY, FOOD PANTRY DRIVE, NEIGHBORHOOD PICNIC WINE AT YVY, AND A LAST DAY OF SCHOOL PARTY. FINALLY, ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, THERE WILL BE AT WALTON PARKWAY TOURS FOUR, FIVE AND 6:00 AS PART OF OUR ONE ON ONE BUSINESS PARK TOUR AND HAPPY HOUR THAT WE'VE DONE ANNUALLY AS WELL. AND THEY AND THEN THEY JUST DISCUSSED THAT THEY WILL NEED TO COME UP SOON WITH WHAT THEIR BUDGET AND AGENDA IS FOR 2027. SO AND THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT UPDATE? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO THE CEMETERY RESTORATION ADVISORY BOARD. NO MEETING AND NO MEETING OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION. HAS ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR COMMUNICATIONS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING? THEY'D LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON. ALL RIGHT. SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. THERE ARE NONE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING ORDINANCES. ALSO NONE ON THE AGENDA. THAT TAKES US TO

[ 11. RESOLUTIONS AND PUBLIC HEARING]

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SHE WAS OUR SUMMER INTERN. SHE'S GOING TO STAY WITH US THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR TO HELP WITH EVENTS. ONE OF OUR SHE'S BEEN A SUPER HELP THIS THIS SUMMER. AND THEN ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE OUT ON MATERNITY LEAVE. OH, RIGHT. BRIBE ME WITH DONUTS ANYTIME. THERE'S A. SHE SAID CHIEF. OKAY. YEAH, THERE'S I THINK SHE. JANELLE POINTED OUT THERE'S FORKS AND KNIVES UP THERE IN CASE YOU. IN CASE YOU WANT TO DON'T WANT TO SHOVE ONE IN GROWN UP SIZE, MAN. I MEAN, THIS IS JEFF. YEAH, THEY'RE FOR REAL. THERE'S A REASON WHY YOUR WIFE HAD HIM AT THE PICKLEBALL COURT. SO GOOD AT THIS. THERE'S. WHO PUT ME IN CHARGE. YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE US A FEW MINUTES. WE ALSO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE. IT'S LIKE SHINY OBJECT. SHINY OBJECT. SHE'S JUST GOING TO ASK. NOW, SO ASK AWAY. THERE'S. RIGHT. WHATEVER YOU NEED. WHAT DO I KNOW THERE? THERE'S A REASON THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU THESE, AND I'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE BIT INTO THIS PRESENTATION. SO THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY WISHES TO OFFER AN OUTDOOR ICE RINK TO RESIDENTS AND VISITORS IN THE CHARLENE AND CHARLES HINSON AMPHITHEATER.

THIS THIS WINTER, FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION AND MANAGEMENT OF AN OUTDOOR ICE RINK WERE APPROACHED, APPROPRIATED. I CAN'T TALK AND APPROVED IN THE 2026 BUDGET.

THIS PROGRAMING ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS AND WILL PROVIDE UNIQUE, INNOVATIVE AND MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES FOR THE COMMUNITY WHILE DRIVING BUSINESS TO LOCAL RESTAURANTS IN NEARBY RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS. SO WE HAVE, I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

LET'S SEE, I CAN'T LET'S YES. OKAY. ALL NEW TOYS. SO NEW TOYS FOR ME TOO. WHILE YOU GUYS ARE PLAYING WITH THAT, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK THIS. OKAY. AS BACKGROUND, WE DID PRESENT THE IDEA OF A SEASONAL OUTDOOR ICE RINK AT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WORKSHOP. WE ACTUALLY HAD A RESIDENT COME TO US AND REQUEST THAT WE DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS. SO THAT'S HOW THIS ADVENTURE STARTED FOR US LAST YEAR. WHAT THE ICE RINK WILL DO IS EXPAND AND DIFFERENTIATE PROGRAMING AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS INTO OUR OFF PEAK MONTHS, WHICH IS NICE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL TO DRIVE TOURISM AND TRAFFIC TO NEARBY RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS IN THE AMPHITHEATER, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. SO IT ALSO EXTENDS THAT AMPHITHEATER AMPHITHEATER SEASON FROM 5 TO 9 MONTHS OF OPERATION. AND RIGHT NOW, DUBLIN IS THE ONLY OTHER SUBURBAN COMMUNITY IN CENTRAL OHIO THAT OFFERS THIS TYPE OF OUTDOOR SEASONAL ACTIVITY. AND IT'S ON THIS TYPE OF A SURFACE.

SO THIS IS REAL ICE. IT'S NOT THE FAKE ICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO CALL IT. THERE ARE A AND IT IS THE ICE IS MAINTAINED UP TO 60 DEGREES AT TEMPERATURES OF 60 DEGREES BY A CHILLER THAT WILL. THAT COMES WITH IT. SO OTHER. THERE IS SOME OTHER ICE SKATING AROUND CENTRAL OHIO AND SOME OF THE METRO PARKS AND EVEN SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES. THEY HAVE NATURAL SKATING ON BONDS, BUT THAT'S WEATHER DEPENDENT, OF COURSE. SO. AND YOU HAVE TO BRING YOUR OWN SKATES. AND THIS IS A IT'S A TURNKEY OPERATION AND YOU CAN SKATE EVEN WHEN IT'S A LITTLE BIT WARMER. DID YOU SAY UP TO 60 DEGREES? YEAH. DUBLIN KEEPS THEIRS OUT UNTIL SAINT PATRICK'S DAY. YEAH, UNLESS IT GETS REALLY WARM. BUT THAT'S ALWAYS THEIR GOAL. SO OPERATIONALLY WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS I THIS IS I KEEP TELLING YOU THE THIRD TIME IN THE IN THE CHARLENE AND CHARLES HINSON AMPHITHEATER, OUR OPERATOR IS OUTDOOR ICE RINKS. THEY SPECIALIZE IN THE SALES, RENTAL AND OPERATIONS OF A WIDE VARIETY OF RINKS ACROSS THE

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ALTHOUGH OUR RINK WILL BE BIGGER THAN DUBLIN'S RINK. IN CASE THAT MATTERS TO ANYONE OTHER THAN ME. SQUARE FOOTAGE JUST A TINY BIT BIGGER, BUT THEY SIMILAR SIZE OPERATIONS TO WHAT'S HERE AND IN DUBLIN IN A. IN A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES IN NORTHEAST OHIO, IT IS A FAMILY RUN BUSINESS AND IT'S HEADED UP BY A FATHER AND SON DUO, MIKE AND ZACH SHOCKLEY. THEY HAVE A SEVEN MEMBER TEAM THAT'S A FULL TIME TEAM, AND THEY HAVE COMBINED OVER 80 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE RUNNING ICE RINKS. THIS IS A LIKE AN ICE FAMILY. I THINK THAT WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH THEM, ADRIAN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THINGS. I'M LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THIS IS A FAMILY THAT'S GROWN UP ON ICE RINKS AND PLAYING HOCKEY AND DOING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. HOURS OF OPERATION. SO THIS IS THIS IS A SOME OF THIS, BUT GENERALLY MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAYS, THEY WILL BE CLOSED BUT OPEN FOR PRIVATE RENTALS.

SO THINGS LIKE COMPANY PARTIES, SKATING TEAMS, I GUESS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET A LITTLE MORE ICE TIME. I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S HARD AROUND TOWN TO GET THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T DO SPORTS THURSDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THEY WOULD BE OPEN FROM FIVE UNTIL 9 P.M. SATURDAYS, NOON TO 9 P.M.

SUNDAYS, NOON TO 8 P.M. AND THEN DECEMBER 19TH THROUGH DECEMBER 30TH. THEY'RE. IT WOULD BE NOON TO 9 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. SO SORRY. MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. THAT IS WHEN THE SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED AND WHEN THE KIDS ARE OUT FOR HOLIDAY BREAK. THERE ARE SOME OTHER DAYS THAT ARE OFF. THEY HAVE SHORTER HOURS ON. CHRISTMAS EVE. THEY ARE CLOSED ON CHRISTMAS DAY, THEY HAVE SHORTER HOURS. ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, THEY ARE CLOSED ON CHRISTMAS DAY OR ON NEW YEAR'S DAY. SO THERE'S SOME SOME VARIETY IN THERE. AND THEN THE WHEN I'M REALIZING THAT I DID NOT INCLUDE IN THIS, WHICH IS PROBABLY A BIG QUESTION FOR YOU, IS THAT THE SEASON WOULD START NOVEMBER 22ND, I BELIEVE IT IS. IT'S THE SUNDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND WOULD RUN THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH. THAT'S USUALLY THE WEEKEND THAT WE HAVE THE TREE LIGHTING, RIGHT? THAT IS. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT THE WEEKEND OF WHAT ALL OF US GREAT. THE WE THE WEEKEND OF THE TREE LIGHTING. WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE REAL SOON. SO STAFFING. THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO A MINIMUM OF THREE STAFF MEMBERS THERE DURING ALL OPERATIONAL HOURS AND OUTDOOR ICE RINKS. THEY THEY STAFF THE FACILITY AND MANAGE THE STAFF. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT INSURANCE. THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT HAD COME UP WHEN WE PRESENTED DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP LAST FALL, BOTH THE CITY AND OUTDOOR ICE RINK ICE RINKS WILL CARRY INSURANCE. OUR COST IS $158. I WAS SURPRISED I HAD TO ANSWER A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS TO GET TO THAT NUMBER, AND I WAS LIKE, $158. OKAY, THAT DOESN'T SOUND TOO BAD. SO THE DEAL STRUCTURE AND THIS IS ACTUALLY UP HERE, THIS IS THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S RINK. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE. SO IF YOU WANT AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CHILLER LOOKS LIKE OFF TO THE WHAT IS THAT. THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE RINK. THAT BOX THAT'S RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THEIR CHILLER. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE. YES. THANK YOU. THAT WE WILL ALSO HAVE. AND THEY WILL ENCASE THAT.

SO THAT WILL GO TO THE SIDE OF THE. LET ME BACK UP THE. THE RINK WILL BE BUILT OFF THE STAGE AT THE AMPHITHEATER. AND THEN THEY'RE BUILDING PLATFORMS THAT WILL EXTEND IT INTO THE GRASSY AREA. SO YOU'LL ENTER FROM THE MCCOY SIDE WHERE THE. AND WILL ACTUALLY USE THE TICKET BOX OFFICE FOR SKATE RENTALS AND PAYING FOR YOUR ADMISSION. AND THEN YOU ENTER.

YOU ENTER IN THROUGH THAT GATE AND THE RINK WILL BE RIGHT THERE, AND YOU'LL JUST WALK RIGHT ON TO IT. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AMPHITHEATER, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SIDE OF THE AMPHITHEATER WHERE THE RESTROOMS ARE, WHERE THAT CONCRETE PAD IS. INSIDE OF THE GATE IS WHERE THE CHILLER WILL BE STORED. BUT WE'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM IT HAS TO BE FENCED IN. IT HAS TO LOOK ATTRACTIVE, SO YOU CAN'T SEE ALL OF THAT. AND IT'S ALSO WHERE THEY'LL STORE SOME EQUIPMENT LIKE THEIR PINGUINO, WHICH IS A LITTLE TEENY TINY ZAMBONI THAT WILL

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SO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT IS A ONE YEAR TERM WITH TWO ONE YEAR RENEWABLES POSSIBLE. WE DO HAVE SOME UPFRONT CAPITAL COSTS. THERE ARE $167,000. THOSE ARE TO CONSTRUCT THAT PLATFORM THAT THE RINK IS GOING TO BE ON. AND TO CONSTRUCT THE RINK ITSELF, IT'S LIKE RUBBER MATS, BOARDS, DASHERS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANY OF IT'S THE THE WALLS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE HAVE TO BUY THAT UPFRONT. AND THEN OUR PROJECTED ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES ARE $92,000. THAT INCLUDES STORAGE, CONSTRUCTION, DELIVERY AND REMOVAL EVERY YEAR. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE CHILLER, THE RENTAL SKATES. OH, HERE WE GO. RUBBER, RUBBER FLOORING, LIGHTING, SOUND IN THE PINGUINO RESURFACER. AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER $5,000 ALLOWANCE, UP TO $5,000 FOR LIGHTING MAINTENANCE.

THEY'LL USE SOME OF THE LIGHTING THAT WE HAVE THERE, YOU KNOW, CHIPS, LIGHTS THAT MAKE THAT BLUE IN THE WINTER. WE'LL USE THAT. BUT THEY ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO SKATE BY. SO THEY BRING IN THEIR OWN LIGHTING TO SUPPLEMENT THAT. AND IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE THAT WE HAVE UP TO $5,000, IF THEY NEED TO USE THAT, AND THEN THE REVENUE SPLIT IS WE SPLIT ALL REVENUE LESS THE OPERATING EXPENSES, 5050 WITH THE WITH THE COMPANY, THEIR REVENUE PROJECTION IS 150 TO $200,000. THEY SAID IT'S VERY WEATHER DEPENDENT. IS THAT THE WHOLE REVENUE OR IS THAT OUR HALF OF THE REVENUE THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE REVENUE. OKAY. YEAH, IT TAKES US IT TAKES US A MINUTE TO MAKE UP ALL OF OUR COSTS. BUT SO IT'S KIND OF OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU WOULD THINK. IT'S NOT REVENUE DOESN'T GO DOWN WHEN IT SNOWS. THEY SAID WHEN IT SNOWS, IT'S LIKE MONEY, DOLLAR BILLS FALLING OUT OF THE SKY. WE SAID, OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S WEATHER DEPENDENT. AND THEN USING OUR LOWEST PROJECTED REVENUE AND THE HIGHEST PROJECTED OPERATING COST, OUR PORTION OF THE REVENUE WILL, WE WOULD ESTIMATE, WILL RECEIVE $26,500 AT THE END OF THE SEASON. AND THEN AGAIN, USING THAT SORT OF METHOD WITH THE LOWEST PROJECTED INCOME AND THE HIGHEST PROJECTED EXPENSES, OUR CAPITAL INVESTMENT WOULD TAKE ABOUT NINE YEARS TO PAY OFF. I KIND OF PLAYED AROUND WITH THAT. IF WE HIT MID RANGE AND KNOCKS IT DOWN TO SIX YEARS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE TO PAY OFF THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT.

IF WE'RE INTERESTED. STOP ME. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT ANY POINT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTRACT TERM. YES. BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS ONE YEAR AND THEN TWO YEARS OPTIONS. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE THIS, KNOWING THAT THERE WOULD BE OPTIONS FOR FURTHER YEARS. IS IT JUST THAT THEY WANT TO LIKE LOOK AT RATES AFTER THREE YEARS? YEAH. SO THEY SAID THAT MOST OF THE TIME THEY ENTER INTO THREE YEAR AGREEMENTS AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE DON'T DO THAT. WE ONLY DO ONE YEAR AT A TIME. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S STRUCTURED THIS WAY. BUT THEY TYPICALLY ENTER INTO A 3 TO 5 YEAR. OKAY. IT DOES STIPULATE IN THAT AGREEMENT WHAT THE FEES ARE. IT SAYS IT HAS A MAXIMUM FEE FOR USERS TO COME IN. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THEY WANT TO LOOK AT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. SO RIGHT NOW, THE THE MAXIMUM FEE. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S THE MAXIMUM FEE OR IT'S IN THERE, BUT IT'S $15 PER PERSON TO SKATE. AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR ICE. THAT INCLUDES YOUR SKATE RENTAL AND THAT THAT DIFFERS THAT CAN DIFFER FROM YEAR TO YEAR, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE LANDED ON. WE SAID, THAT SOUNDS VERY FAIR.

I'VE SKATED IT A NUMBER OF ICE RINKS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THIS LATELY AND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES, AND IT'S USUALLY $15 TO SKATE PER PERSON, JUST A QUESTION. YEAH, SORRY. THE PLATFORM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD OUT FROM THE STAGE, ETC. THAT SEEMS SUBSTANTIAL. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT WHEN THERE'S NO SKATING SEASON? WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT ANYWHERE THEY ARE. THEY'RE GOING TO STORE IT SOMEWHERE. YEAH, THEY'LL BRING IT IN EVERY YEAR AND RECONSTRUCT AND THEN THEY TAKE EVERYTHING OUT. I MEAN, HE SAID,

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WHAT'S THE TOTAL CAPACITY? SO THAT HAS CHANGED. AND I CAN GET YOU AN UPDATED NUMBER AS THEY THOUGHT THAT THE THE RINK KEEPS GETTING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AS THEY ARE IN THERE TAKING THEY WERE TAKING ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS. LET ME GET YOU AN UPDATED NUMBER ON

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THE AMPHITHEATER. SO IF WE WANT TO NARROW THAT DOWN OR DEFINE IT MORE, WE CAN DO THAT. DO THEY HAVE A NEED FOR THE STAGE IN THAT PART OF IT? SO THEY'LL BE ON THE STAGE. PART OF THE RINK WILL ACTUALLY BE ON THE STAGE. IT'S ELEVATED TO THAT LEVEL. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEN THAT WHEN I READ HERE UNDER DAMAGE OR DESTRUCTION, IT SAYS THAT IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE DONE. SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE AMPHITHEATER, WHETHER IT'S TO THE TO THE STAGE, TO THE WALLS, TO THE WALK UP TO ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE NOT POLICING OR THAT HAPPENS ON THEIR WATCH. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S ANY PART OF THAT. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ABOUT THE STAGE AND THE SURFACE OF THE STAGE AND WANTING TO PROTECT THAT. AND SO THEY LAY THESE, THEY'LL LAY THESE RUBBER MATS DOWN ON THE STAGE. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP JOKING. THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE, THE, THE, THE MOST WELL KEPT PART OF THE AMPHITHEATER IN THE SPRING WHEN WE PULL ALL THAT UP, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE PROTECTED FROM EVERYTHING WITH THIS, WITH THIS LAYER OF RUBBER, IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF RINK THAT THEY PUT, LIKE I SAID, IN AT CLEVELAND AND PUBLIC SQUARE AND IN DUBLIN, AND THEY'RE LAYING THOSE ON SLATE AND GRANITE TILES THERE, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE SURFACES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AND THE ENVIRONMENTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING IN. OKAY. AND JUST SO I KNOW, SO IF THERE IS DAMAGE, IS THAT SOMETHING BECAUSE IT SAYS WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND CANCEL THIS RIGHT THEN AND THERE IF WE WANTED TO. BUT DOES THIS ALSO THEN DO THEY DO THOSE REPAIRS DURING THE SEASON OR IS IT SOMETHING DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD DO THE REPAIRS AFTER THE SEASON? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MY GUESS IS IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT KIND OF REPAIR THAT IT IS. AND WHEN WE NOTICE IT, IF THEY'RE IF THEY DAMAGE SOMETHING THAT IMPEDES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING INTO THE RINK, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX IT RIGHT AWAY. IF IT'S DAMAGE THAT WE NOTICE AFTERWARDS, I KNOW SOMETIMES. WE'VE HAD EVENTS THAT WE'VE PERMITTED THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PARKING LOT BACK THERE AND LIKE, CURBS HAVE BEEN BROKEN AND IT'S NOT UNTIL EVERYTHING GETS CLEANED OUT THAT WE SEE, OH, THERE'S A CURB THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. SO I THINK IT COULD HAPPEN IN BOTH WAYS. AND THAT WOULD BE THE PART OF THE LICENSE AREA AS WELL AS THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW, BEN.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? YEAH. SO I THINK THAT LICENSED AREAS GENERALLY LARGELY UNDEFINED RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN, I'D PROBABLY SAY PUT AN EXHIBIT IN THERE SAYING, OKAY, THE PARTIES AGREE THAT THIS IS THE LICENSED AREA. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE. WITH RESPECT, THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. I THINK I WAS TRYING TO READ THROUGH IT AND IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NO EXHIBIT CLEARLY DEFINING WHAT THE LICENSED AREAS OTHER THAN WHAT EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE WITH RESPECT TO THAT. SO I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH IT, WE JUST NAVIGATE THAT. AND IF WE NEED TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, I THINK IT DEPENDS AS FAR AS WHEN THE REPAIRS ARE MADE, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE NOW, THEY THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE IT SO THEY'RE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY NEGLIGENCE OR DAMAGES. YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN FURTHER FURTHER DEFINE THAT. AND CAN WE HAVE ANY PROPERTY DAMAGE INSURANCE ON THIS THAT WE'D BE THE CAN'T WE BE THE BENEFICIARY OF A PROPERTY DAMAGE INSURANCE POLICY? YEAH, THIS IS OPERATING. I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE INTENTIONS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY INSURANCE OVER TOP OF IT. WHAT I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING AS LONG AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE POLICY.

YES. RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. THE PROPERTY DAMAGE, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE COVERED THERE. IT'S JUST LIABILITY HERE UNDER INSURANCE, PROPERTY DAMAGE, PROPERTY AND PERSONAL. SO I THINK IT WOULD COVER BOTH. THE PERSONAL PROPERTY COVERAGE. AND DID WE.

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AND LIMITS ARE 5 MILLION PER OCCURRENCE AND SECOND MILLION AGGREGATE. SO. AND THE FACILITY WOULD BE INSURED AT THE APPRAISED VALUE. OKAY. WHICH IS NOT LESS THAN TWO. YEAH. SO I THINK AND THIS IS JUST THIS IS, I GUESS, OUR STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE USED IN A LOT OF AGREEMENTS OVER TIME. I KNOW AS JOE AND I HAVE WORKED ON SOME DEALS, WE'VE INCREASED WHAT THAT COVERAGE IS AS WE'VE TALKED THROUGH IT. SO I THINK THIS PROVIDES A BASELINE THAT MAYBE UNDERNEATH WHAT THE COVERAGE IS. OKAY, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL YOU'RE DONE WITH ALL YOUR SLIDES ON THE MONEY STUFF. OH, OKAY. YOU CAN ASK WHENEVER YOU WOULD LIKE. SO APPROPRIATION WISE, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATED RIGHT NOW. TOTALS $387,000. OUR ESTIMATED COSTS TOTAL $352,300. WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN HERE ARE SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE. SO THERE'S THE 167, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL EXPENSE FOR THE PLATFORM PIPING AND ALL THAT. AND THEN THERE'S 34,300 AND ELECTRICAL MODIFICATIONS TO THE AMPHITHEATER. I WILL MENTION THAT'S THE QUOTE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT WAS LOOKING TO ROLL THAT INTO SOME SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DONE. SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT WILL COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT. BUT THOSE ELECTRICAL MODIFICATIONS. WILL THEY'LL BENEFIT ALL OF OUR ALL THE PROGRAMING THAT HAPPENS THERE. IT JUST IT ADDS TO WHAT WE CAN DO. FOR WHEN WE BRING IN LIKE CONCERTS AND BANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER $25,000 IN BUILDING MODIFICATIONS TO THE. I THINK IT'S THE WEST SIDE, AT LEAST IN MY HEAD. IT'S THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SIDE OF THE AMPHITHEATER. WE NEED TO HEAT THE. WE NEED TO WE NEED TO HEAT THAT END OF IT SO WE CAN KEEP WATER RUNNING INTO THE CHILLER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ICE. AND WE LOOKED AT HEATING THE ENTIRE AMPHITHEATER. SO KIND OF RETROFITTING WITH A NEW HVAC SYSTEM. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS A MUCH BIGGER INVESTMENT. AND WE WEREN'T CERTAIN THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT THIS YEAR. AND WE WERE UNCERTAIN, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WAS GOING TO GO. I MEAN, WE WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WILL BE VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. SO THE LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO APPROACH THIS, AT LEAST IN THE FIRST YEAR, WAS TO DO SOME SMALLER MODIFICATIONS TO THAT END OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO KEEP THAT END HEATED AND WATER FLOWING SAFELY THROUGH THE CHILLER AND INTO THE RINK.

BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THAT, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO USE THE RESTROOMS. THE RESTROOMS WILL STILL NEED TO BE WINTERIZED, SO WE DO HAVE TO RENT RESTROOMS. THE $24,000 THAT YOU SEE, THERE IS A HIGH ESTIMATE THAT IS FOR A, A TRAILER THAT WOULD PARK BEHIND THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE PARKING SPOTS DIRECTLY BEHIND, WHICH ARE NOT SCHOOL SPOTS. WE'VE SPOKEN TO THE SCHOOL.

THEY ARE GOOD WITH ALL OF THIS. IT WOULD BE A NINE RESTROOM HEATED TRAILER THAT IS, WITH THAT QUOTE SCHEDULED TO BE CLEANED TWICE A WEEK. WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'LL NEED TO BE CLEANED TWICE A WEEK, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ON THE SIDE OF ACCOUNTING FOR EVERYTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN. SO THERE'S THOSE ARE THREE KEYS THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

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I APOLOGIZE. THE 200,000 AND THE 75,000 COMBINED COVER PLUS THE 167,000, WHICH IS THE ONE TIME CAPITAL EXPENSE PLUS THE ELECTRICAL MODIFICATIONS, THE OTHER BUILDING MODIFICATIONS AND THE RESTROOM RENTALS. SO IT COVERS THOSE. SO I READ THIS AS THAT WE APPROPRIATED THESE THINGS IN 2026. CORRECT. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO COST US. YES.

THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. I'M TOTALLY MISSED THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST GOT IT. THANK YOU. I'M LIKE SORRY. SO SO WE'VE WE'VE APPROPRIATED MORE, BUT 75000 IS MISCELLANEOUS COUNCIL INITIATIVES, WHICH MAYBE WE DIDN'T THINK WAS GOING TO GO TO THIS, BUT WE'RE TALKING LIKE $25,000 MORE THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD. YEAH, WE APPROPRIATED 25 MORE APPROPRIATED 25. YES. WE NEED TO COME UP WITH 25 K IF WE WANT TO MAKE THIS A REALITY THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE IT LAID OUT. YES. WE DON'T NEED TO COME UP WITH ANY MONEY. WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH. WE HAVE WE HAVE 300. WE HAVE $387,000 ALREADY APPROPRIATED AVAILABLE THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROPRIATED. WE NEED 332 THAT WE ONLY NEED WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. WE ONLY NEED.

352 RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY, SO WE CAN HAVE A PARTY. YES. IS THAT WHAT THE DONUTS ARE FOR? YES.

SO THE DONUTS. ABBY. YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS. THE 25000 BUILDING MODIFICATIONS. YES.

YOU SAID THAT WAS TO HEAT, PROVIDE HEAT FOR THE WATER TO MAKE ICE. AND THAT'S JUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I'M I'M CURIOUS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVEN PRICED IT OUT. WHAT WOULD THE WHAT WOULD IT COST TO MODIFY TO MAKE THE RESTROOMS AVAILABLE? SO WE WEREN'T RENTING THEM. SO IT WAS WE HAVE ONE, WE HAVE ONE QUOTE. IT WAS JUST OVER $100,000. OKAY. AND IT REQUIRED SOME PRETTY MAJOR CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO DO THIS YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING WITH THE 25 AND RENTING RESTROOMS FOR THIS YEAR AND THEN SEEING WHERE IT GOES. YEAH, RIGHT. BUT THEN WE'RE RENTING, BUT THEN WE'RE RENTING RESTROOMS FOR $25,000 EVERY YEAR. SO, SO IF WE, IF WE WOULD DO MODIFICATIONS, IF, IF SO, LET'S SAY WE DO THIS RIGHT AND EVERYTHING GOES SWIMMINGLY AND YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, WE WANT TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR IN THIS LOCATION. SO THEN OUR, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD GO BACK AND DO THE WHOLE AMPHITHEATER. IT WILL COST LESS BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE ELECTRICAL WORK AND WE'VE ALREADY PUT SOME PIECES INTO THIS ONE SIDE OF THE AMPHITHEATER. WE WILL JUST NEED TO CONTINUE FOR THE REST. AND I WILL SAY, AS A PERSON WHO SPENDS MOST OF THE SUMMER IN THE AMPHITHEATER, IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE AIR CONDITIONING BACK THERE BECAUSE IT IS HOT. OH, SO JUST SORRY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE 100,000 OR SO THAT IS NOT THAT WAS THAT'S NOT IN ADDITION TO THE ELECTRIC AND BUILDING MODIFICATIONS.

THAT WOULD BE THE ELECTRIC AND BUILDING MODIFICATIONS PLUS TO GET TO 100,000. SO SO THE ORIGINAL QUOTE THAT WE GOT WAS TO DO THE WHOLE THING, THAT $100,000, AND WE WERE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME. WE THINK THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON SOMETHING THAT IS

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THAT'S THE 25,000. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE 25 AND THE 34. OKAY. OKAY. I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION. I'M SORRY. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MATH QUESTIONS TONIGHT. I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT $60,000 IN ELECTRIC AND BUILDING MODIFICATIONS. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS. AND I KNOW I GET THERE'S TIMING ISSUES, BUT WHAT YOU'RE NOT TELLING YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE NOT SAYING IS THAT IT'S JUST ANOTHER 40 TO DO TO MAKE THE RESTROOMS AVAILABLE. OR WOULD IT BE. I GUESS WE DIDN'T ASK IT THAT WAY. I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 75 TO HEAT AND COOL THE ENTIRE SPACE. THE ELECTRICAL IS A IS A, SO THE 34 WOULD HAPPEN ANYWAY. OKAY. SO OKAY, SO RATHER THAN 25 AND BUILDING MODIFICATIONS, IT'D BE 100. RIGHT? I GOTCHA. OKAY. ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE STILL DECIDING ON THE SIZE. WHAT IS THE JUST SO I CAN PICTURE IT BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE AND I COULDN'T REALLY TELL THE SIZE WHAT, WHAT ARE KIND OF THE GENERAL DIMENSIONS OF THE RINK? I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT WITH ME. CAN YOU TELL US LIKE, WHERE IT GOES OUT TO? I MEAN, YOU SAID IT'S ON THE STAGE. HOW FAR LIKE DOES IT STOP AT THE CONCRETE? DOES IT.

NO, IT GOES ALL THE WAY ONTO THE CONCRETE ACROSS THE LIKE THE CONCRETE PIT. RIGHT. IT GOES IT SPANS ACROSS THAT OVER TO THE CONCRETE WALKWAY THAT'S AROUND THERE. AND IT WILL END RIGHT THERE BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE GRASS OR RIGHT AS YOU GET INTO THE GRASS. OKAY. AND I CAN GET YOU DIMENSIONS. YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'M JUST THINKING A, IT'S A PRETTY SIZABLE RANGE.

OKAY. I MEAN, IF SOMEONE IS GOING, IF SOMEONE WAS GOING OVER TO EASTON TO THE CHILLER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A ABOUT AN 80 BY 200 RINK. I'M GUESSING IT'S NOT THAT BIG, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS GENERALLY WHAT THAT SIZE IS AT HALF THE SIZE. IS IT THREE QUARTERS OF THE SIZE? YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN THEY TOLD US IT WAS BIGGER THAN DUBLIN, WE DIDN'T ASK A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. BUT I WOULDN'T THINK IT'S IT'S MAYBE A THIRD OF THE SIZE OF A REGULATION ICE RINK. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT ONE? MAYBE. IS THERE ANY MORE MATH? NO MORE MATH. BECAUSE I JUST HAD SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS ON THIS. THERE'S NO MORE MATH.

THEN I'VE GOT SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO. OOPS SORRY. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. SO THE COMPANY IS GOING TO COME IN. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M JUST GOING BIG PICTURE NOW. YEAH. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE $352,000 TO GET THIS THING TO HAPPEN. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, THEY HAVE NO EXPENSES. CORRECT. WE'RE COVERING ALL OF THE COSTS TO GET THIS THING SET UP. YES.

OKAY. SO THEN ONCE THIS IS OPEN AND WE START, YOU KNOW, CHARGING AND PEOPLE ARE COMING, THAT'S IS THAT THE 5050 SPLIT ON THE ON THE REVENUE. OKAY. BUT THEY STILL HAVE NO COSTS.

CORRECT. LABOR. THEY HAVE LABOR. YEAH. SO THEIR COST THEN IS, IS LABOR BECAUSE THAT THE, THE LABOR DOES NOT COME OUT OF THE 5050 SPLIT. THEY ESSENTIALLY USE THEIR 50% OF THAT REVENUE TO COVER THEIR LABOR. OKAY. SECURITY WISE, GO BACK TO THAT FOR A SECOND. THE FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN SECURITY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO I GUESS THEN MY QUESTION TO BEN IN THE CONTRACT WHERE IT SAYS IF NEEDED ADDITIONAL SECURITY. SO THAT IS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY ARE ALREADY PROVIDING THAT THEN WE WOULD PAY 5050 ON THAT AS WELL.

WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING UNDER SECURITY? I DON'T KNOW, PAGE FIVE OF ALL. WELL, THAT'S NOT THERE. SORRY. I'M I'M LOOKING AT THE IT'S ON PAGE SEVEN. YEAH. PAGE THREE OF THE AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY

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THEY'RE JUST RIGHT. YEAH. THEY'RE THE KIDS THAT ARE THERE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SELLING THE TICKETS, HELPING PEOPLE GET THEIR SKATES. OKAY, JUST PICKING UP, YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO WHO IS THE SECURITY? LIKE DURING THE I GUESS I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE UNLESS WE HAD, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THAT SCENARIO PLAYED OUT. THE POLICE WAS CALLED. I THINK WE WOULD REGROUP WITH THE OPERATOR AND DETERMINE IF WE NEEDED HIRE, YOU KNOW, A SECURITY TEAM. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HIRED NEW ALBANY SECURITY BEFORE. YOU KNOW, MCCOY USES BEST SECURITY. I THINK THAT'S HOW WE WOULD COME TO AN AGREEMENT IF WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED ADDITIONAL SECURITY ON SITE AND HOW THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT. YEAH. OKAY. I, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I, I THINK ADDITIONAL SECURITY TO ME IS BASICALLY ANYBODY OTHER THAN THEIR. THREE. SO, OKAY, WELL, GO AHEAD ALONG THAT SAME LINE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND SECURITY WHEN THERE'S A CHALLENGE OR AN ISSUE WITH THREE PEOPLE, THEY'RE TAKING TICKETS, PRETTY MUCH HANDLING SKATES AND THIS, THAT. AND THE OTHER THING, MY EXPERIENCE ON ICE RINKS, FAMILY WITH LITTLE KIDS, IT'S WONDERFUL. TEENAGE KIDS GET ON THE ICE AND MOST ICE RINKS HAVE A SECURITY PERSON SKATING THE ICE TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OVER.

CALL IT WILD SKATERS OR. YOU KNOW, MISBEHAVING AND AND POTENTIALLY ENDANGERING OTHERS TO SLOW DOWN, WATCH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT INVOLVED WHEN THERE'S ICE TIME. AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, IT'S MOM AND DAD AND THE KIDS. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF TEENAGERS, NOT JUST HERE, BUT COMING FROM OTHER AREAS. YEAH. OUTSIDE OF NEW ALBANY TO SKATE HERE. YEAH. AND I WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ON ICE SAFETY AND IT SORT OF GOES TO A MAYBE A STUPID QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS OUT OVER THE THE PIT CALL IT. BUT AT SOME POINT THE SIDES OF THIS AREN'T GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SIDES OF THE PIT. SOMEBODY FALLS OFF THAT THING. IT'S A LONG DROP.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF WALL OR RAILINGS OR THINGS THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AROUND THIS. SO SOMEBODY'S NOT GOING OVER THE SIDE. I WILL SAY I HAVE BEEN TO THE DUBLIN ONE, AND THEY HAVE HAD THEIR EMPLOYEES ON ICE AT LIKE THE REAL BUSY TIMES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, MIDDLE SCHOOLERS, TEENAGERS, THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW HOW TO SKATE. CAN YOU GOT ANY PEOPLE WHO CAN SKATE? WE DO. ACTUALLY, NO, I'M ONLY KIDDING. I'M ONLY KIDDING. ACTUALLY, I

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IT'S NOT A SECURITY PERSON. SOMEONE THAT PERSON IS PROBABLY DOING THE RESURFACING AT THE SAME TIME, BUT WE CAN KIND OF DIG INTO THAT AFTERNOON MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN A WEEKEND NIGHT AND LIKE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW MANY STAFF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. YEAH, YEAH. COULD YOU I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO HAS SOME AUTHORITY WHEN THEY TELL SOMEBODY TO SLOW DOWN TO DO WHATEVER, YOU'RE ENDANGERING PEOPLE. YEAH, BUT THEY CAN'T SAY YOU DON'T. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE OF AUTHORITY. YEAH. WHEN THEY'RE SAYING THAT, I HAVE A NOTE TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THEM. I WOULD SAY GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. THEY DO THIS EVERYWHERE. SO MY GUESS IS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, SO THREE STAFF IS THEIR MINIMUM STAFF THAT THEY HAVE AT ALL TIME. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH THEM WHEN I'VE BEEN LIKE, OH, WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS? OR WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS? AND THEY'RE RESPONDING EXACTLY HOW I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO THAT THREE STAFF IS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A THURSDAY AFTERNOON AT FOUR, BUT FOR A, YOU KNOW, A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY EVENING, IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT. AND I THINK THAT DEPENDING ON HOW TRAFFIC GOES, THEY'LL THEY'LL ADJUST TO THAT. BUT I WILL ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THEY ASSIGN THEIR STAFF WHILE THEY'RE THERE. HOW MANY YEARS HAVE THEY BEEN OPERATING IN DUBLIN AND IN CLEVELAND, DO YOU KNOW? SO IN DUBLIN, I THINK THEY'RE IN THEIR THIRD, ITS FOURTH, PROBABLY 4 OR 5 IN DUBLIN. AND THEN IN CLEVELAND. THEY'VE BEEN THERE LONGER. THEY THEY ALSO OPERATE A INDOOR RANK THAT THEY'VE HAD IN THE CLEVELAND AREA FOR 20 SOME YEARS, 20 PLUS YEARS. AND I'M SURE THEY'RE FINE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT EXPERIENCE. I JUST LIKE. YEAH. AGREEMENTS TO BE VERY CLEAR AND I DON'T KNOW, BEN, MAYBE ON PAGE TWO THAT OR I RIGHT AT THE TOP WHERE IT HAS LICENSEE RESPONSIBILITIES SHALL INCLUDE A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH SET UP AND TEAR DOWN. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT LANGUAGE LIKE MIKE WAS TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. SO WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT UNDER THEIR OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES. THEY DO IN THE LICENSE AGREEMENT TO THEY, THEY HAVE A OBLIGATION TO OPERATE THE SKATING RINK. SO THERE'S SOME OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO INDEMNIFY THE CITY.

AND TO THE EXTENT OF ANY ISSUE COMES UP. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PROTECTION. UNDERSTANDING YOUR POINT TO PROTECT THE CITY. THERE ARE SOME BUILT INS, BUT I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT EVEN MORE CLEAR AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. GREAT. AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION. I THINK I'M GOOD.

SO IF WE WERE TO GO OUT TO THE DISCOVER SITE AND PUT A RINK OUT THERE AND PUT SOME ICE ON IT, AND MAYBE EVEN HAVE A RIBBON, LITTLE AREA THAT PEOPLE CAN SKATE AROUND. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COST IS HERE. YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THIS ANSWER, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE QUITE AS MUCH IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I ASKED THEM WHAT THE VALUE WAS OF THE PIECES THAT WE COULD TRANSFER FROM ONE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER, AND THEY DID NOT ANSWER THAT. UNDERSTAND? YEAH. BUT IT I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP IF YOU WANT A RIBBON. AND YEAH, I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE'D AS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT A PERMANENT YOU KNOW, WOULD WE BUILD THAT. SO IT WOULD BE EVERY WINTER. SO YOU'D PROBABLY BUILD THE CHILLER SITUATION DIFFERENTLY THAN BRINGING A CHILLER IN SEASONALLY. SO I THINK THERE'S JUST SO MANY VARIABLES. AND AFTER LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND CONSTRUCTION IS STARTING TO TRY TO DIG INTO JUST SOME HIGH LEVEL COSTS TO BRING BACK INFORMATION TO COUNCIL ON WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS MAY COST UP THERE AT THE DISCOVERY SITE. YEAH. SO THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE SOME LIKE FACTORS TO CONSIDER. CERTAINLY TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN THAT CAME UP THAT WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE ON THIS AGENDA AND WE THOUGHT, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBILITY OF DOING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AT DISCOVER? HOW DOES THAT AFFECT WANTING TO DO IT HERE? I THINK THESE ARE ALL JUST SOME

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WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. WE THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. WE THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, FOR NOW.

BUT R REALLY THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER. IF YOU'RE YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS THIS SEASON OR NOT. I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA. I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF DOING IT? THE ATHLETIC CAMPUS RIGHT NOW. NONE. I MEAN I DON'T I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A LOT OF WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER USES FOR THAT SPACE. I LIKE HOW I LIKE HOW THIS ACTIVATES THE AMPHITHEATER IN THE CHRISTMAS TIME. I LOVE IT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. I LOVE IT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. I WISH IT WASN'T SUCH A BIG UPFRONT COST AND I WISH WE WERE MAKING MORE MONEY FROM IT. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE UPFRONT COST IS A LITTLE HIGH FOR MAYA. LET'S TRY IT. SO I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS ROBUST DISCUSSION BECAUSE. BUT I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S WORTH DOING, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? AND JUST TALK TO ME ABOUT THE TIMELINE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A BASIC COST ESTIMATE FOR IF WE DID DO THIS OUT OF THE DISCOVER SITE, BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE UP THERE? JUST SO I WOULD HAVE A COMPARABLE, YOU KNOW, THING IF IT COMES BACK AND SAYS 250,000, WELL, THEN JESUS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO KEEP IT RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT. BUT IF IT COMES BACK, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT LESS, THEN IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING AS A TEMPORARY, JUST A SEASONAL THING THAT YOU BRING IN THE CHILLERS AND. WE CAN SEE, I MEAN, THERE'S NO PARKING. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE DOABLE THIS YEAR. WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE THIS YEAR, BUT BECAUSE AS I'M AS I'M THINKING THROUGH THE TIMELINE, WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION NOW SAY WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT. WE'RE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT FOR THIS YEAR. CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT. SO THEN WE WOULD BE LEFT WITH ALL RIGHT. HOW DO WE REPURPOSE IT. BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT ALL THE UPFRONT COSTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE YEAH, YEAH, IT'S IT, YOU'RE STUCK AND YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD. YEAH. GOOD OR BAD. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE THE UPFRONT COSTS? I GUESS MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS THE THERE'S ALL THE COSTS OF THE RINK ITSELF. AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO PAYING THE COSTS OF THE PLATFORM BUILD OR THEY'RE PAYING THAT THE PLATFORM IS. WE ARE. YEAH. THAT'S IN THAT. SO THE PLATFORM AND THE RINK MAKE UP THE. 167. YEAH. BUT HOW MUCH OF THAT 167 IS THE PLATFORM? IT'S ABOUT 50. THE RINK IS IN ALL ITS BOARDS AND DASHERS IS 115. SO 50 SOMETHING IS THE PLATFORM. OKAY. SO GENERALLY AND I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER COSTS TOO, BUT GENERALLY IT'S 50 GRAND. YEAH. I THINK IF.

WELL YEAH, I THINK WHAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY AT THE DISCOVER SITE IF WE WEREN'T CONSTRAINED BY SIZE, WE WOULD PROBABLY DO A BIGGER RINK. SO WE PROBABLY. THAT WOULD COST MORE JUST IN THE THE CAPITAL EXPENSES, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE A BIG FLAT AREA THAT YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. SO I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY COST MORE UP THERE IF WE WANTED A BIGGER RINK AND YOU WOULD NEED A SPACE THAT WAS HEATED FOR SKATE RENTALS, LIKE THERE WOULD BE, YOU'D HAVE SO LIKE THEY DO A SHIPPING CONTAINER IN DUBLIN. I WAS THINKING AT THE DISCOVER BUILDING. OKAY. OH YEAH. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT IS ONE REASON THE AMPHITHEATER IS ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE THERE IS LIKE A TICKET OFFICE THAT CAN BE USED FOR RENTALS AND TICKET. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A KIOSK OUT THERE OR A SHIPPING CONTAINER. THAT'S. OKAY. I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING ON SOME OF THESE BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OPINIONS ABOUT SOME OF THESE TOO. SO PARKING COULD BE LIMITED ON CERTAIN DATES. WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RELY ON THE HEIGHT CENTER PARKING LOT IN ADDITION TO THE MCCOY. IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE DEFINITELY THINKING ABOUT AND. WHICH IS A PART OF THE REASON WHY THE, THE DATES DURING THE WEEK WOULD BE MORE LIMITED DURING THE WEEKDAY, WHEN THE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL, THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT RENTALS WOULDN'T START UNTIL AFTER 4 P.M. WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN AGREE TO EASILY. AND WE WOULD BE DOING LOTS OF REDIRECTING, LIKE SIGNAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD ALL COME INTO WORKING WITH OUR

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AND THE KIDS AND HOW DO WE GET AROUND THE CARS? AND SO WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

BUT IT IS IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ADD TO OUR LIST WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS THE NEW ATHLETIC CAMPUS A BETTER LOCATION? WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE RINK. AND THEN WE'RE FINALLY TO I, I BROUGHT YOU DONUTS. SO ICE RINK FESTIVITIES CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO TREE AND MENORAH LIGHTING CEREMONIES. SO AS YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER HANDED OVER THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO US. AND WE DID NOT HAVE MONEY BUDGETED FOR THAT. WE WERE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING THAT THAT EVENT. ALSO, WHAT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO ARE IS A, A MUCH MORE TRADITIONAL, AND I'M GOING TO SAY LESS COMMERCIAL, NOT IN A JUDGMENTAL WAY. THE CHAMBER IS THERE TO DO COMMERCIAL THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE. BUT THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS APPROACH TO THE TREE LIGHTING AND ADDING A MENORAH LIGHTING CEREMONY, BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY IS DOES CELEBRATE BOTH OF THOSE HOLIDAYS FAIRLY EQUALLY. AND WE WERE LOOKING AT A, FIRST OF ALL, MOVING THE TREE FROM MARKET SQUARE TO ROSE RUN PARK, TAKING IT OUT AT RAINES CROSSING SO YOU CAN SEE IT WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN DUBLIN. GRANVILLE, PUTTING IT REALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. YOU'D ALSO BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE ICE RINK, PUTTING THE TREE AND A MENORAH, A LIKE A 12 FOOT MENORAH THERE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. AND TO LIGHT THOSE DOING MORE OF A SORT OF A 30 MINUTE CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR THE TREE LIGHTING WITH CHOIR GROUPS FROM THE SCHOOL, AND THEN SANTA'S AT JOE'S REQUEST. AND SO SINGING SOME CAROLS, HOLDING SOME LITTLE LIGHTS, AND THEN TURNING ON THE LIGHTS FOR THE TREE AND THEN HAVING A, A DONUT TRUCK AND A, A HOT BEVERAGE TRUCK

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ARE LOOKING AT SUNDAY, DECEMBER 4TH, FIVE SIX, WHICH IS THE SECOND DAY OF THIRD DAY OF HANUKKAH TO OFFICIALLY LIGHT OUR MENORAH. AND THEN WE WOULD DO THAT WITH, AGAIN, THE TRADITIONAL SONGS AND DONUTS, BECAUSE DONUTS WORK FOR BOTH. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THOSE POWDERED DONUTS. IF ANY OF YOU PICK THOSE POWDERED ONES WITH JELLY IN IT, IT'S A HANUKKAH TRADITION. IT'S GOT A SPECIAL NAME THAT I CANNOT RECALL. THAT. SO DONUTS IN THE HOT BEVERAGE WORK FOR BOTH. SO WE CAN GIVE EQUAL ATTENTION TO BOTH OF THOSE. AND THEN AGAIN AT THE ICE RINK, DO SOME SOME FUN HANUKKAH RELATED SKATING PROGRAMING. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE THERE. I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING TO END IT ON ON Q&A. SO THESE ARE MOSTLY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST AT THE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP LAST FALL THAT CAME FROM THAT DISCUSSION. AND WE'VE TALKED I THINK WE'VE I THINK WE'VE HIT ALL OF THESE NOW. YES, WE RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE PIECES THAT WE PURCHASE. YES, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPITAL EXPENSES IN THE FUTURE. WE'VE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OF CAPITAL PURCHASES. AND AGAIN CITY OF DAMAGE DUE TO VANDALISM.

OUTDOOR ICE RINKS IF DAMAGED BY EMPLOYEES OR DURING REGULAR BUSINESS AND THEN INSURANCE AGAIN, WE'VE HIT I THINK WE'VE HIT ALL OF THESE BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO THE QUESTION PAGE. BUT WHAT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? IF ANY? I ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE MORE. OKAY. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED DONUTS AND HOT BEVERAGES, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE IN THE DORA AREA, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. ARE THERE GOING TO BE RULES AROUND BEVERAGES ON THE ICE OR JUST CURIOUS? OH YEAH. THERE WOULD BE NO, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S NO FOOD OR DRINK ON THE ICE IN GENERAL. OKAY. BUT WITHIN THE AMPHITHEATER AND I WILL REMIND YOU, UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO EXTEND IT, THE DORA IS ONLY IN EFFECT ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS. IT'S NOT IN EFFECT DURING THE DAY. IT DOESN'T KICK IN UNTIL FIVE. RIGHT? SO IT IS. IT'S FAIRLY LIMITED FOR WHEN THAT WHEN THAT OVERLAP. SURE. I'M JUST THINKING I KNOW DOWNTOWN IN FRANKLINTON AT LAND GRANT, THEY HAVE THEIR WINTER GARDEN. I COULD SEE PEOPLE GOING FROM BREWDOG. YEAH. GRABBING A BEVERAGE AND GOING OVER TO GET SOME SKATES. SO YEAH, SPICED RUM SKATES AND WATCHING THE KIDS SKATE OR JUST WATCHING THE KIDS. WATCHING THE KIDS. YEAH, YEAH, THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. SO THAT'S YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE FINE WITHIN THE AMPHITHEATER.

BUT THEY DON'T I'M NOT ON THE ICE ITSELF. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I WAS LIKE, I DON'T THINK THEY LET PEOPLE OR FOOD TRUCKS AN OPTION AROUND THE SKATING RINK ON CERTAIN EVENINGS. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO? YEAH. IF WE HEAR FROM YOU THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING, THEN WE CAN START SECURING LIKE OUR REGULAR HOT BEVERAGE TRUCK, A REGULAR DONUT TRUCK, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT'LL BE FABULOUS TO HAVE ON AT LEAST ON THE WEEKEND NIGHTS. YEAH, YEAH. SO, ABBY, JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

WHAT'S THE ENVELOPE THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? I GOT THE RINK. IF I WALK IN THE GATE, DO I GET TO EXPLORE THE ENTIRE INNER PART OF THE AMPHITHEATER? I WANT TO HAVE A PICNIC LUNCH OUT THERE ON THE LAWN. SO ARE WE GOING TO CLOSE IT OFF? SO WE PRESERVE AND PROTECT MORE OF THE PHYSICAL NATURE OF THE AMPHITHEATER? YEAH. WE HAD NOT PLANNED ON CLOSING ANY ANY PARKS OFF. SO YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WHEN YOU COME TO A SUMMER CONCERT, KIND OF I MEAN, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THE ICE RINK IS GOING TO BE UP THERE, BUT THE EXEDRA WOULD BE OPEN, THE GRASSY AREA WILL BE OPEN.

THAT'S WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING SOME SEATING UP UNDER THE EXEDRA FOR FAMILIES TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIT AND HAVE A PLACE TO, TO WATCH THEIR KIDS OR, OR WHOEVER SKATE. IS THERE GOING TO BE BENCHES FOR FOLKS TO PUT THEIR SKATES ON. AND I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO

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OH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RENT. I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF RUBBER MAT. IT'S NOT. SO THOSE WEREN'T THE SAME. YEAH. I'M NOT, I'M NOT. IT WASN'T CLEAR RUBBER. IT TOOK ME A SECOND. I'M LIKE NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU WANT TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. THOSE WERE NOT ACTUALLY RUBBER MATS. THEY WEREN'T RUBBER. I THOUGHT THEY WERE RUBBER MATS. NO, THEY WERE ACTUALLY THEY WERE PLASTIC AND THEY SNAPPED TOGETHER. SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IF YOU PUT A SKATE ON THAT, IT WOULD CUT IT UP. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD USE LIKE A AN ICE SKATE BLADE. JUST MY IDEA. TOTALLY DIFFERENT MATERIAL. I LOVE A DOUBLE USE THOUGH, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. THAT TOOK A REAL LONG TIME. I HOPE YOU LIKE THOSE DONUTS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING RESOLUTION R 34? ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 34 2026? YES, SIR. PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SHARE WITH US. HI. GOOD EVENING, CHARLES SCHUMACHER 7171. I'M JUST WAS CURIOUS. THE QUESTION COMES BACK TO THE REPORT THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT BRUCE GAVE. ARE THERE DISABILITY SKATES DISABILITY OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR MANAGING ON THE RINK AND ALSO IN TERMS OF RESTROOM RENTALS, IS THAT GOING TO HAVE DISABILITY OPTIONS? OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE THIS TRAILER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN ADA ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM THAT WILL BE THERE FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE SEASON. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SPECIAL KIND OF A SKATE. I'M NOT SURE.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE BY WHEELCHAIR OR DEVICE BECAUSE IT'LL BE FLAT COMING INTO THE SURFACE. HOW HOW IT GOES FROM THERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS AVAILABLE, SINCE SOMETHING THAT THAT PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THE SECOND FROM MY MORE SUSTAINABILITY HAT IS, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING ON SITE BEVERAGE SERVICES, WILL WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AT LEAST RECYCLING AND TRASH RECEPTACLES THAT ARE MAINTAINED? AND AT THAT POINT, YEAH, OUR RATE, THE REGULAR TRASH BINS WILL BE THERE. SO THE COMPOSTING I DON'T THINK WILL I DON'T WELL, IF YOU WANT TO WE'LL GET THAT. WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. YEAH.

EVENTUALLY. BUT YEAH, THE THE STANDARD TRASH BINS THAT WE HAVE THERE ARE THE TRASH AND THEN RECYCLING. AND THEN PART OF THE, WHAT I DO KNOW FOR PART OF THE STAFF THAT WILL COME IN WITH THE RINK, IT'S THEIR JOB TO GATHER AND REMOVE TRASH AT THE END OF EACH NIGHT. AND THEY, WHAT THEY TYPICALLY DO IS PUT IT BEHIND THE BUILDING AND THEN. SO SERVICE WOULD COME AND PICK IT UP THE NEXT TIME THAT THEY'RE ON DUTY, BUT IT WOULD BE SEPARATED INTO RECYCLING INTO INTO TRASH. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, ACTUALLY. YEAH. DO YOU MIND IF I JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. JUST BEFORE WE GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER BRISK, IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING RESOLUTION 34? RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT DO YOU HAVE A TIME

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WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO SECURE THOSE RESTROOMS. THEY ARE HOLDING THEM FOR US RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT FOREVER. AND THE ICE RINK COMPANY IS IS WAITING. SO SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IF THEY'RE IF YOU THEORETICALLY GOT AN ANSWER AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? I THINK SO, PROJECT WORK. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS WOULD WOULD THROW US OFF, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY PUSHING THE LIMIT OF WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO GO. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON RESOLUTION R 34 2026. I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION R 34 2026. SECOND AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBER BRETZKE YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCCLELLAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHALL.

YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. I HEARD HER. I'M THINKING I'LL VOTE YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION R 34 2026. RESOLUTION R 35, 2026 A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE COLLECTION, TRANSPORTATION AND DELIVERY FOR THE DISPOSAL OR PROCESSING OF RESIDENTIAL SOLID WASTE, RECYCLABLE MATERIALS AND YARD WASTE GENERATED WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBANY. MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. WHO'S READY FOR SOME TRASH TALK? I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT ALL. SO JUST REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS LEGISLATION, JUST SOME BACKGROUND. SO THE NEXT THREE PIECES OF LEGISLATION ALL HAVE TO DO WITH CONSORTIUM. SO CURRENTLY THE CITY IS IN CONTRACT WITH RUMPKE TO PROVIDE COLLECTION AND PROCESSING SERVICES FOR TRASH RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE. SO 2026 IS THE LAST YEAR OF OUR CURRENT FIVE YEAR CONTRACT FOR THOSE SERVICES. AND SO EACH OF THESE RESOLUTIONS REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT BID AND CONTRACT THAT COUNCIL CAN REVIEW TONIGHT FOR THE SERVICES YOU SEE HERE. SO THE FIRST ONE IS JUST FOR TRASH COLLECTION AND PROCESSING, YARD WASTE COLLECTION PROCESSING AND THEN JUST RECYCLING COLLECTION. ONLY HOUR 36 IS FOR RECYCLING PROCESSING. AND THEN A NEW ONE HOUR 37 IS FOR FOOD WASTE COLLECTION AND COMPOSTING. SO IN 2025, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO SOLICIT BIDS FOR THAT COMPOSTING. SO WE HAVE THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT. SO THE FIRST OF THREE CONTRACTS IS RESOLUTION 35 2026. SO THIS IS AGAIN FOR OUR CORE SERVICES AS A COMMUNITY. THE CITY SOLICITED FOR TWO OPTIONS. SO THE FIRST ONE WE SOLICITED AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY SUSTAINABILITY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD IS FOR AN OPTIONAL VOLUME BASED TRASH ALTERNATIVE. SO THAT IS IF YOU THROW MORE OUT, YOU PAY MORE. IF YOU THROW LESS OUT, YOU PAY LESS. WHEN WE PUT THAT OUT FOR BID, WE GOT ZERO BIDS BACK FOR THAT. SO WE TAKE THAT AS AN INDICATION THAT THE MARKET'S JUST NOT READY FOR THAT TYPE OF SERVICE YET. SO THE SECOND BIDS THAT WE SOLICITED IS OUR TRADITIONAL CORE SERVICES THAT WE'RE USED TO AND EXPERIENCE HERE EVERY THURSDAY. SO WE GOT TWO BIDS BACK FOR THOSE CORE SERVICES. AND IT IS ONE WAS FROM RUMPKE. AND THEY CAME IN AT A BASE PRICE OF 26.79. AND THE SECOND ONE WAS FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT AT $50. SO A LOT OF THIS REFLECTS THE STATUS QUO MODEL. THERE'S REALLY NO CHANGES AT ALL AS FAR AS RUMPKE GOES. THE CITY AS PART OF THE CONSORTIUM, HAS A LEGAL TEAM FROM EASTMAN AND SMITH, WHO REVIEWS ALL OF THE BIDS AND ALL THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. AFTER REVIEWING EVERYTHING, EASTMAN AND SMITH RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY TAKE THE BID. ALSO, LAST

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SO HERE'S KIND OF A QUICK HISTORY OF MONTHLY RATES THAT RESIDENTS PAY. SO THE BASE PRICE IN 2021 WAS $19.98 AND 2026 THIS YEAR, RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY PAYING A BASE PRICE OF 2553. AND FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT THAT RUMPKE PROPOSED.

THEY WOULD LOCK IN A PRICE OF 2679, SO BETWEEN NOW AND 2031 IT WOULD. THE RESIDENT RESIDENT COST WOULD BE $26.79. AS FAR AS THE SERVICES GO. SO HERE'S WHAT THE SERVICES COSTS ARE TODAY.

AND HERE IS WHAT'S PROPOSED WITH THIS LATEST BID. SO AGAIN IT'S ALL STATUS QUO. RUMPKE CURRENTLY PROVIDES THE SERVICES. SO SAME DAY OF COLLECTION 10% SENIOR DISCOUNT FEE. BULK PICKUP IS STILL INCLUDED. RECYCLING CARD IS STILL INCLUDED. THERE IS A SMALL INCREASE IN BILLING SERVICES. IT'S $0.87 CURRENTLY A MONTH. IT'S GOING UP TO $1.53 TO RECYCLE APPLIANCES HAS GONE UP SLIGHTLY LESS THAN A DOLLAR. CARRYOUT SERVICES. THAT'S IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT YOUR WASTE OUT AT THE CURB. THEY WILL GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND WHEEL IT DOWN YOUR DRIVEWAY FOR YOU. THAT COSTS CURRENTLY $20.40 A MONTH. THAT'S GOING UP TO 25.

AND THEN THE TRASH CART ITSELF IS RAISING BY $0.18 A MONTH. AND SO AGAIN, BOTH EASTMAN AND SMITH AND SUSTAINABILITY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD HAVE RECOMMENDED THIS KEY SERVICES, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION ON A SENIOR DISCOUNT, HOW DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY APPLY OR DO SENIORS HAVE TO APPLY FOR THAT? SENIORS HAVE TO APPLY TO THAT. THEY WOULD CONTACT RUMPKE DIRECTLY AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THEIR MONTHLY BILLS. OKAY. THANKS. SO, STEVE, FOR CLARIFICATION, WAS THAT INITIAL CONTRACT FOR THREE YEARS WITH TWO ONE YEAR RENEWALS, OR WAS THAT ■A TOTAL?R CONTRACT? SO IN THIS CASE, FOR THIS CONTRACT, THIS IS A TOTAL OF FIVE YEARS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? JUST ONE FOR ME. MAYBE I JUST FORGOT. IN THE PAST, HAVE WE USUALLY HAD THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEW THESE BIDS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY? NO, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, I THINK HAS ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR FIVE YEARS. AND I DON'T KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE JUST MISSED THEM THE LAST TIME WE GOT THESE CONSORTIUM BIDS IN 2020. SO YEAH, I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD HAS PROVIDED RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 35, 2026? SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 35, 2026. SECOND. MAYOR. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCCLELLAN YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DETRICK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. SIX. YES.

VOTES TO THAT RESOLUTION R 35, 2026 RESOLUTION R 36, 2026 A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING RECYCLABLE MATERIALS GENERATED IN AND COLLECTED BY THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. SO THIS IS FOR RECYCLING PROCESSING. SO THE BASE CHARGE THAT COUNCIL JUST APPROVED, THAT'S TO COLLECT ALL THE RECYCLABLES AT THE CURB. AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE CHARGE THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY PAYING AND HAS HISTORICALLY PAID ON BEHALF OF ITS RESIDENTS. SO JUST SOME QUICK BACKGROUND INFORMATION TO CITY COUNCIL SINCE THE CITY IS PAYING THIS BILL. SO HERE'S THE TOTAL COSTS FOR AND THIS IS FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS RECYCLABLES IN THE COMMUNITY IN 2023. THIS RANGED AT 32,000. LAST YEAR IT WAS JUST UNDER 12. THE FIRST SIX MONTHS HAS BEEN ABOUT 7500.

SO WE'RE ON TRACK TO SPEND $15,000 THIS YEAR. SO THIS IS DEPENDENT ON THE COMMODITIES MARKETS AND ALSO JUST HOW MUCH RECYCLING IS GOING INTO THE SYSTEM AS HOW OUR CURRENT CONTRACT IS SET UP WITH RUMPKE. AND THEN FOR THE BIDS WE GOT TWO BID PROPOSALS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS FROM RUMPKE. SO THEY ARE PROPOSING THE SAME $35 A TON FOR RECYCLING PROCESSING THAT

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IT WILL PROVIDE UP TO $20. SO THE CITY CONTINUES TO PAY THIS. THERE IS A OPPORTUNITY THAT IF YOU KNOW ALL OF OUR ALUMINUM CANS BECOME VERY VALUABLE, THE CITY COULD ACTUALLY PROFIT FROM THIS CONTRACT. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET. BUT THE CONTRACT DOES CONTEMPLATE AND ALLOW FOR THAT.

SAME WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT. IT ALSO CONTEMPLATES TYPICALLY UP TO $30, BUT IT DOES HAVE AN UNLIMITED COMPONENT TO IT. AFTER REVIEWING THIS, THE CONSORTIUM'S LEGAL COUNSEL, EASTMAN AND SMITH, RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY SELECT RUMPKE FOR ITS SERVICES WHILE WASTE MANAGEMENT. WHILE IT DOES HAVE THIS UNLIMITED REVENUE SHARE, IT DOES COST MORE AND IT ALSO PROVIDES LESS SERVICES, SO THIS WOULD BE A CHANGE IN RESIDENCE PRACTICE. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RECYCLE AS MUCH AND IT WOULD COST MORE TO THE CITY. THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD ALSO REVIEWED THESE THESE BID TABS, AND THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT ROMNEY'S BID AND CONTINUE TO PAY FOR THIS SERVICE FOR ITS RESIDENTS BY A SIX ZERO VOTE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE FOR THIS AS WELL. STEVEN, HAVE WE ALWAYS HAD THAT REVENUE SHARE? I DON'T REMEMBER THAT FIVE YEARS AGO IN THE CONTRACT. HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN IN THERE? I KNOW FOR AT LEAST THE LAST FIVE YEARS IT HAS BEEN. I BELIEVE IT IS. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST I DIDN'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT. OKAY. I FEEL LIKE THOSE WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE IN MICHIGAN. THAT'S WHERE YOU GET $0.10 A CAN. OKAY. YEAH, BUT MAYBE NOT HERE. YEAH.

IS IT $20 A TON OR JUST UP TO $20? UP TO $20? OKAY. NOW THIS IS THE SERVICE WE PAY FOR FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IN TOTAL, WHAT'S IT COSTING US? SO I MEAN THAT'S PER TON. I UNDERSTAND THAT. OH YEAH. SO ADD IT ALL UP THE END OF THE YEAR. YEAH. SO RIGHT. SO THE CONTRACT SAYS WE COULD PAY A MAXIMUM OF $30. WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN SEEING CURRENTLY THIS YEAR IS ABOUT $5 A TON IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOTAL DOLLARS. OH TOTAL DOLLARS. SORRY. SO TOTAL DOLLARS AS OF JULY OF THIS YEAR IS $7,581. AND THEN LAST YEAR TOTAL WAS 11,661.

OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR NET COST. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THEN? I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING RESOLUTION R 36 2026? HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION I MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF R 36 2036 SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCCLELLAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHOR. YES. I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION R 36, 2026 RESOLUTION R 37, 2026. A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE CURBSIDE COLLECTION, TRANSPORTATION AND PROCESSING OF RESIDENTIAL FOOD WASTE GENERATED WITHIN THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY, OHIO. MR. MAYOR, FOR THE TRIFECTA. THANK YOU. SO SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING NEW, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON JUST BACKGROUND IN ORDER TO PROVIDE COUNCIL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SORT OF THE HISTORY ON HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. SO SWACO PROVIDED THIS CHART FOR US. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE COLLECTED AT THE CURB, 76% OF THAT IS POTENTIALLY RECYCLABLE OR COMPOSTABLE. SO 24% OF ALL THE THE WASTE STREAM, WELL, AS OF RIGHT NOW COULD NEVER BE RECOVERABLE MATERIAL. 25% OF THAT IS RECYCLABLE MATERIAL. AND THEN 24% IS SORT OF OTHER THINGS. SO IT'S ELECTRONICS AND HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, SOME TEXTILES, WOOD PALLETS. SO A LOT OF THIS THE CITY IS DOING NOW RECYCLING. WE HAVE OUR ELECTRONICS AND HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, 27% IS COMPOSTABLE MATERIAL. SO FOOD WASTE IS ACTUALLY THE SINGLE LARGEST MATERIAL IN THE FRANKLIN COUNTY LANDFILL AT SWACO. AND SO HERE'S JUST SOME MORE QUICK FACTS. SO 1 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD WASTE GOES INTO THE LANDFILL EVERY DAY. AND THIS MAKES UP 15% OF THE TOTAL LANDFILL BASED ON WEIGHTS. SO FRANKLIN COUNTY HAS ABOUT A 51% RECYCLING WASTE DIVERSION RATE. SO 51% OF ALL THE RECYCLABLES

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THEY CAME IN AT $10.61 PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH. THAT GO ZERO IS THE COMPANY THAT'S DOING THE FOR WASTE DROP OFF LOCATIONS FOR THE CITY AND CURRENTLY OPERATES THAT. AND THEN WE GOT A THIRD ONE, LOCAL WASTE THAT CAME IN AT $15 A MONTH. SO AFTER REVIEWING THOSE, EASTMAN AND SMITH, THE LEGAL COUNSEL RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY TAKE THE COMPOST EXCHANGE. ALSO, LAST WEDNESDAY, THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD REVIEWED THESE BIDS, AND THEY RECOMMENDED BY A 5 TO 1 VOTE TO ACCEPT THE COMPOST EXCHANGE BID WITH THE NOTION THAT THE BOARD. WITH THE. WITH THE NOTION THAT THE BOARD EXPECTS THE CITY TO PICK UP THE COST NOT COVERED BY A GRANT, INCLUDING BUCKET LINERS THAT WILL GO INTO. NOW THERE WAS ONE

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YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. RIGHT. ASSUMING AND REGARDLESS. YEAH. SO JUST LIKE WITH THE THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING. I WAS GOING TO ASK HOW MANY FROM WINDSOR USE THE SERVICE 13%, 18%, 18%. SO JUST LIKE WITH THE RUMPKE CONTRACTS AND THE OTHER BID CONTRACTS, THEY ALSO ASSUME THAT THERE'S 4000 HOMES PARTICIPATING IN THE COMMUNITY. ALL OF THOSE BIDS HAVE THE SAME FACTORS OF UP TO 4000 HOMES. HOW MANY OF HOUSEHOLDS USE ROOKIE? RIGHT. SO CURRENTLY, I THINK WHEN I LOOKED, I MEAN, BASED ON OUR HOUSING UNIT ESTIMATE, I THINK WE'RE APPROACHING 3800 HOMES. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER THERE. SO THIS WOULD ALSO PROVIDE THE THE FOOD COMPOSTING SERVICES FOR ALL THE EXISTING AND SOME FUTURE HOMES AS WELL. YEAH, I GOTCHA. OKAY. SO THE, SO THE, THE COST FOR ON THE TOP LINE THERE, THIS IS A STATIC COST, REGARDLESS OF PARTICIPATION. THERE'S A SECOND COST COMPONENT THAT'S UNIQUE TO COMPOSTING.

AND THAT'S BUCKET LINER. SO EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU HAVE RECYCLING, YOU PUT YOUR BID CARD OUT AT THE CURB COMPOSTING. IT'S A FIVE GALLON BUCKET. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE A BUCKET OR YOU'D HAVE TO USE A LINER WITH YOUR BUCKET EVERY WEEK. AND SO THIS IS WHERE YOU COULD SEE SOME COST VARIATION DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING.

SO IF ALL 4000 HOMES, IF WE HAD 100% PARTICIPATION RATES, EVERYBODY'S PUTTING COMPOSTING OUT EVERY WEEK AND USING A NEW LINER, IT WOULD BE A TOTAL COST OF $32,640. THAT WOULD BRING THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROGRAM TO $136,000 ANNUALLY. AT THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD.

WE JUST DID THE MATH THAT IF YOU GET THE SAME 18% PARTICIPATION RATE AS WINDSOR, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT $110,000, APPROXIMATELY ANNUAL COSTS. SO A FEW MORE THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THIS. SO SWACO, YOU KNOW WHO, WHO IS RUNNING THIS CONSORTIUM? THEY'VE OFFERED THE CITY VARIOUS GRANTS AND INCENTIVES IF WE ELECT TO DO PROVIDPROVIDE BUCKETS FOR THE FT 30% OF THE 4000 HOMES THAT SIGN UP. SO AGAIN, A 30% PARTICIPATION RATE IS CONSIDERED VERY GOOD BY INDUSTRY STANDARDS IF YOU'RE GETTING 30% PARTICIPATION RATES, THAT'S GOOD. WHEN WE HAD A PHONE CALL WITH SWACO A FEW WEEKS AGO, THEY SORT OF COMPARED IT TO WHERE RECYCLING WAS LIKE 25, 30 YEARS AGO. THAT'S WHEN WE WERE ALSO SEEING LIKE 30% PARTICIPATION RATES FOR RECYCLING. SO THEY SEE THIS INCREASING ANNUALLY, JUST LIKE RECYCLING DID A COUPLE DECADES AGO. SO SWACO WILL COVER THE COST OF BUCKETS FOR RESIDENTS.

AND THEN SWACO WOULD ALSO PROVIDE THE CITY A $100,000 GRANT IF WE IF WE ELECT TO THIS PROGRAM. SO THIS CONTRACT IS A THIS IS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO ONE YEAR RENEWALS ON THE END. IF IF WE TAKE THAT CONTRACT, THIS $100,000 FROM SWACO COULD BE USED TO OFFSET ANY OF THESE COSTS. SO IT COULD BE USED FOR THE BUCKET LINERS, IT COULD BE USED FOR THE PROGRAM. IT COULD BE USED AS AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN WORKING WITH OUR COMMS TEAM. SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS A NEW SERVICE. WHAT TO EXPECT, HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO SIGN UP. IT'S NOT ON THIS SLIDE, BUT SWACO IS ALSO OFFERING AN ADDITIONAL $15,000 JUST PURELY FOR EDUCATIONAL REASONS AS WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASKED WAS, YOU KNOW, IF RESIDENTS ARE COMPOSTING, CAN THEY GET SOME OF THAT BACK? AND THE COMPOST EXCHANGE HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE EACH RESIDENT UP TO LIKE FOUR GALLONS OF COMPOST PER YEAR. SO YOU COULD GET TWO, TWO GALLON BAGS OF COMPOST A YEAR, AND THEN YOU COULD PURCHASE MORE AS THAT. SO RESIDENTS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING INTO THE PROGRAM AND THEN ALSO BENEFITING THROUGH THAT

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SO THAT'S THE BACKGROUND. ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THIS PROGRAM? I HAVE A QUESTION. I MAYBE THIS IS JUST NOT A BID. THAT'S BEEN. IT. WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE, DO YOU THINK IF WE PUT A BID OUT FOR LIKE 1000 UNITS, YOU KNOW, IN THE FIRST 1000 PEOPLE THAT OPTED IN FROM THE CITY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. I'M JUST THINKING, I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T USING THE SERVICE. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. I LOVE, I LOVE, I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT COMPOSTING VERY, VERY MUCH BELIEVE IN IT. SO I STRUGGLE. YEAH, WE, I THINK IT WOULD CERTAINLY CAUSE MORE OR AN INCREASE IN COSTS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONALLY LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THE WINDSOR PROGRAM. I THINK THE COMPOST EXCHANGE HAS LEARNED A LOT TOO. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'VE COME IN WITH SUCH A COMPETITIVE BID. I THINK THEY HAVE CLOSE DROP OFF AREAS. IF IF WE SOLICITED THAT TYPE OF BID IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD SEE INCREASED COSTS. AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PAYING MORE FOR FEWER HOMES VERSUS LESS FOR MORE HOMES, WHAT THAT OFFSET WOULD BE. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. AND PERHAPS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. PERHAPS WE PAY FOR ALL 4000 PEOPLE GET WITH THE PROGRAM. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE I SORRY, I PERSONALLY HAVE TROUBLE SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR 18, MAYBE 18% OF THE POPULATION THAT WOULD UTILIZE THIS 18% GOT A BUCKET, 63% USED IT AFTER THEY GOT THE BUCKET CORRECT. SO ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 18% OF THE PEOPLE UTILIZING THIS AND COSTING US $130,000 A YEAR. I THINK THE COLLECTION POINTS WE HAVE ARE THERE. AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO UTILIZE THOSE, AND THERE'S SOME WAY TO HAVE A FEW MORE OF THOSE TO COLLECT IT FOR THOSE THAT ARE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS SERVICE, AND I THINK WE CAN SUPPORT THAT IN SOME WAY. BUT TO PAY THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR FOR WE'RE PAYING FOR TRASH AND, AND RECYCLABLES, BUT I VERY SELDOM SEE A HOME WITHOUT A DUMPSTER OUT IN FRONT OF THE YARD ON THURSDAYS OR A, A TRASH CAN OR RECYCLABLE THAT'S HIGHLY UTILIZED. IT'S PROBABLY 90 SOME PERCENT, NOT 18%. SO I'LL BE CANDID AND SAY, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF IT, BUT I HAVE DIFFICULTY SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR 18% UTILIZATION AND MAY NOT EVEN BE THAT HIGH IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THAT'S RECYCLING COST IS ABOUT 10,000 A YEAR OF OUR POCKET. YEAH, YEAH. WHAT WE'VE WHEN WE'VE TALKED TO SWACO AND WHAT WE KNOW FROM OUR RESEARCH IS THAT THOSE NUMBERS TEND TO GROW OVER TIME. WE KNOW THAT BEXLEY HAS A 41% PARTICIPATION RATE IN THEIR

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AND YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TOSO INTRODUCE THE PROGRAM, GET PEOPLE SIGNED UP. I'M THINKING OF ALL THESE, ALL THESE IDEAS, ALL THESE OPTIONS THAT PROBABLY DON'T MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE FROM THE COMPOSTING CHANGES. I UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS, BUT HOW LONG DID WE RUN THE WINDSOR PILOT? WE'VE BEEN RUNNING IT SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2025. SO ABOUT ONE YEAR NOW. NOW I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE THAT PROCESS THOUGH, WHEN WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM, WAS THERE SOME THERE WAS SOME MESSAGING OR SOMETHING THAT WENT OUT TO THE TO THE FAMILIES THERE. RIGHT. AND THERE WAS AN INITIAL SIGN UP, THREE BUCKETS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. OKAY. AFTER THAT INITIAL, HOW LONG, HOW LONG WAS THAT PROCESS? AND THEN HAS IT JUST BEEN QUIET SINCE THEN, OR HAS THERE BEEN ONGOING EFFORT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IN WINDSOR TO SIGN UP FOR THE PROGRAM? SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY ONGOING ENCOURAGEMENT SINCE THE INITIAL SIGN UP AND. YEAH, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE YOU ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU, MR. SCHUMACHER. WE SPENT 3 TO 4 MONTHS GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO DRUM UP MORE PEOPLE. WE DID SOME KIND OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND PEOPLE. PEOPLE HAD SIGNED UP. WE ASKED THEM TO TRY AND FIND MORE PEOPLE. SO I THINK WE GOT TO 74 WAS OUR FINAL NUMBER. WE STARTED OUT, I THINK AT THE INITIAL. WE WENT OUT FOR FIRST RUN. IT WAS A LITTLE HIGH 30S, SO WE BUILT QUITE A BIT OVER THOSE FEW MONTHS. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN AND, AND AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF SURE, I'LL JUMP IN. I WAS GOING TO PREPARE SOMETHING, BUT THE NUMBER THAT YOU GAVE, WE NEED TO CONFIRM THIS. BUT IN THEIR ORIGINAL OFFERING, THEY SAID $15,000 OVER THREE YEARS. SO 45 TOTAL TO GET INTO DOING SOME EDUCATIONAL WORK. SO BETWEEN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE MIGHT DO AS A SUSTAINABILITY AWARD AND THEN WHAT WAS GOING TO DO, THERE'LL BE A MUCH LARGER PUSH IN TERMS OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND DRUMMING THAT UP FOR PEOPLE. OKAY. AND THEN JUST WHAT KIND OF WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK HAVE WE GOTTEN FROM THE FOLKS IN WINDSOR? I KNOW YOU SAID 90 SOME PERCENT SAID THEY WERE HAPPY WITH IT. THESE ARE MY CHAIR JUST WENT DOWN. YEAH, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. WE GAVE YOU THE TRICK CHAIR. THANKS. THESE ARE FIVE GALLON BUCKETS. SO PRETTY GOOD SIZE. AND IF YOU'RE NOT A FAMILY OF 4 OR 5, I I'M, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE NOT FILLING UP A FIVE GALLON BUCKET EVERY WEEK WITH FOOD WASTE. I GUESS I'M CURIOUS. THERE WAS THE 64% OR SO THAT THAT PUT IT OUT WEEKLY. DO WE KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE ARE JUST PUTTING STUFF IN UNTIL IT FILLS UP BEFORE THEY TAKE IT OUT? IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MAYBE THERE'S 64%, OR IS IT JUST SOME PEOPLE SIGNED UP AND WE'RE LIKE, I'M JUST NOT USING IT ENOUGH. I'M CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE USED IT. ALSO, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE PUT A FIVE GALLON BUCKET IN THEIR KITCHEN. SO A LITTLE BUCKET, SORRY. GO AHEAD. WE DID GET WE SOLICITED, WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK AND I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE WE DID GET FOR THIS PRESENTATION, SOMEBODY WAS WENT THROUGH THIS LENGTHY DESCRIPTION OF HOW THEY MANAGED THEIR BASED ON A ■WEEKLY BASIS AND THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS WRAPPING EVERYTHING UP DAILY THAT THEY DID WENT IN THE FREEZER. AND SO EVERY DAY SCRAPS WERE PULLED TOGETHER AND PUT INTO A BAG, PUT IN THE FREEZER. AND THEN ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, THINGS WERE TAKEN OUT.

THE FREEZER PUT IN THE BAG AT THE BUCKET TAKEN OUT, TO WHICH I WAS LIKE, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. BUT THAT WAS JUST SOMEBODY'S SUGGESTION HOW TO DO IT, BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IS MANAGING THE BUCKET, MANAGING PERCEIVE THE SMELL, OR WHAT I WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. MOST PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY KEPT IT IN THEIR GARAGE.

IF YOU KEPT IT JUST OUTSIDE THEIR GARAGE WHERE OTHER CANS MIGHT HAVE BEEN KEPT, AND THEN JUST FED DAILY FROM SOMETHING THEY DID. OKAY, CURIOUS. YEAH, THANKS. SO FIRST, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB, WHETHER IT'S E-WASTE, THE GUARDIANS, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN COMING UP WITH SO MANY GREAT IDEAS AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE FOOD WASTE BINS WHERE 17 TONS WE'VE COLLECTED OVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT IS A YEAR SINCE WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. BUT I THINK THAT'S AMAZING. AND THANK YOU. AS IT RELATES TO THIS, TWO THINGS I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE OPT IN OPT OUT, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING DOWN THERE, ANDREA, THAT THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE. IF THE CITY WAS GOING TO DO THIS YEAR

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IT WAS SOME ONE WEEK, SOME OR THE OTHER. SO THAT WAS A TOTAL NUMBER. SO MORE THAN THE PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SIGNED UP AND THEN STOPPED USING IT. SO THERE WAS A LITTLE ON AND OFF. IN ANY EVENT, I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE POCKETS IN THE CITY THAT ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN 18%. IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH LOWER THAN 18%. I GUESS WHEN I SCRUB THE NUMBER, JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT 18% OF JUST WORKING AS A NUMBER. THAT'S 700 RESIDENTS, WHICH IS NOT A SMALL AMOUNT. I MEAN, I KNOW THE CITY PAYS FOR PLENTY OF THINGS THAT AFFECT LESS THAN 700 RESIDENTS ON AN ANNUALIZED BASIS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE NUMBER. AND I REALIZE THIS IS A HUGE NUMBER. I HOPE YOU ALL REALIZE, AND STAFF WILL BACK ME UP ON THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE GO THROUGH A CASE, WE DO THE SAME. YOU KNOW, I DON'T COME TO THE BOARD AND WE DON'T LOOK TO SPEND MONEY. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REAL. LIKE WE HAVE USED THE DROP OFF CENTERS, WHICH YOU GUYS WERE FANTASTIC ABOUT DOING FOR US. IT'S BEEN ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO NOW. WE CHECKED THOSE EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING THE BINS THAT WERE THERE. SO EVEN JUST THIS YEAR, WE WENT AND DID A DID AN AUDIT AND SAID, TAYLOR FARM. WE HAD THREE BINS. WE WERE REALLY ONLY USING TWO AT ANY CONSISTENCY. SO WE PULLED ONE OF THOSE BACK AND FORTH PRICE, WHAT WE'RE PAYING. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE DILIGENT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEING SPENT. I IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE KNOW. YEAH. AND I REALIZE IT'S A HUGE EXPENSE TO MAKE THAT LEAP. IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, AND I'M COMPARING THAT 18% NOT IS THAT GOOD OR BAD, BUT IN CONTEXT TO THE EXPECTATION OF THE CONTRACT BEING 30%, THEIR EXPECTATION THE FIRST YEAR 50 BY THE END OF THREE YEARS. THAT'S THE CONTEXT THAT I PUT THAT. 18 I'M NOT JUDGING. IS THAT BETTER OR NOT? I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD MEET THOSE BENCHMARKS, WHICH THEN THE COST COMES WITH IT AS WELL. AT THIS POINT, THAT'S MY CONTEXT. THE 18. YEAH. IS THIS GRANT CONTINGENT ON THAT UTILIZATION RATE? NO. SO WE ASKED THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD ASKED US THAT QUESTION. WE RESEARCHED THAT SINCE OSWEGO SAID, AND WE LOOKED AT THE COMPOST EXCHANGE CONTRACT AS WELL, SO WE COULD PULL THE PLUG WITHOUT PENALTY. I THINK AFTER THE FIRST THREE YEARS OR EVEN LIKE IN YEARS, TWO AND A HALF WITHOUT ANY PENALTY FROM THE COMPOST EXCHANGE. AND IT WAS ALSO CONFIRMED THAT THEY WOULD NOT ASK TO BE REIMBURSED FOR ANY OF THOSE GRANTS AND THEIR, THEIR WHOLE REASONING FOR THAT GRANT IS, YOU KNOW, SO IT COULD BE SPENT UP FRONT IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION IN THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM. YEAH. I JUST HAVE FOUND THAT IT IS I THINK I'VE SEEN AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL YET THAT WE OFFER A SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT WE OFFER TO OUR RESIDENTS AND THEN GO, OH, NEVER MIND AND TAKE IT BACK NO MATTER WHAT. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO GO INTO IT VERY CAUTIOUSLY. WE KNOW OUR POPULATION IS GOING TO GR GROWING. THIS CONTRACT IS GOING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND IS IS THERE ENOUGH OF A DEMAND TO JUSTIFY MAKING THIS COMMITMENT? BECAUSE I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE'LL EVER GO, OH, NEVER MIND IS VERY, VERY SLIM. AND I THINK TO COUNCILMAN SCHULZ POINT, THERE MAY BE A TIME FOR IT. I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT WE'RE THERE JUST YET. AND I REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO PAYING FOR ESSENTIALLY ALL THE HOUSEHOLDS TO BE DOING IT IN SUCH A HIGH PRICE. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON IT. I MEAN, I, I, I THRILLED ABOUT HOW MUCH IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE PUT OUT THE COMMUNITY BINS. I WONDER IF WE COULD PUT MORE MONEY BEHIND THAT. I WONDER ALSO, EVEN IF WE DID THIS, ARE WE THEN TAKING AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY BINS AND NOT ACTUALLY NETTING? AS MUCH AS

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BUT FOR THE FAME, FAME OR THE MONEY. YEAH. BUT NO, I'LL THROW YOU ASIDE. IT'S A LABOR OF LOVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE BLESSED TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT AN ISSUE AND THEY PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT. SO THANK YOU. AND ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN TREMENDOUSLY SUPPORTIVE AND WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. MAYOR. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMPOST EXCHANGE. BUT ACCORDING TO THEIR WEB PAGE, THEY DO PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE TRIED TO MARKET THEIR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND SEEING IF THERE'S BEEN AN UPTICK IN INTEREST, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HELP PUSH OUT. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO MAYBE PRESELECT A VENDOR, BUT HERE WE HAVE SORT OF GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING WHAT THE MARKET HAS TO BEAR. WE FOUND A VENDOR THAT SEEMS TO BE RESPECTED AND HAS A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL. MAYBE WE DO SUGGEST THAT THIS IS A VENDOR, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS SERVICE THAT YOU MIGHT DECIDE TO SIGN UP FOR, AND THEN WE CAN TRACK THE PARTICIPATION OVER TIME. AND IF THERE'S A VALUE PROPOSITION THAT MAYBE THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY WANTS TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT INTO THIS PROGRAM, WE'VE SEEN COMMUNITY BUY IN. AGAIN, I THINK PEOPLE ARE THEY VALUE WHAT THEY PAY FOR. AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SKIN IN THE GAME. MAYBE THEY'RE NOT AS INTERESTED. BUT AGAIN, THIS COULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A SERVICE IF FOLKS ARE WILLING TO SIGN UP FOR IT. SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE EXPLORED OR IF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS ORGANIZATION, THIS COMPANY HAS AN INTEREST IN THAT OPPORTUNITY. YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY TALK TO THE COMPOST EXCHANGE AND EXPLORE THAT. AND YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT TO THE COMPOST EXCHANGE DOES PROVIDE SERVICES TO ALL OF CENTRAL OHIO. SO ANYBODY CAN SIGN UP TODAY, EVEN IN NEW ALBANY. AND IT COSTS, I GUESS THE SHOW'S MAYBE THE THE POWER OF CONSORTIUM AND PUTTING THINGS OUT TO BID. SO IF IF I WERE TO SIGN UP FOR COMPOST PICK UP AT THE CURBSIDE, IT WOULD BE $19 A MONTH FROM THE COMPOST EXCHANGE FOR JUST ONE SINGLE HOUSE. WHEREAS THE BIDS HERE CAME IN AT $2.16. SO I THINK THAT SHOWS THE SORT OF THE SCALES. MAYBE THAT ANSWER COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT TO ABOUT SCALE. THERE'S A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM BETWEEN 1 AND 4000, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK CONTINUE TO WORK WITH COMPOST EXCHANGE, SEE IF THEY'LL SHARE THOSE DATA AND BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL. AND THEN FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, WITH THE WORLD MARKETS AND THE AVAILABILITY OR LACK OF AVAILABILITY OF OIL, I THINK FARMERS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES REALIZE THAT COMPOSTING COMPANIES WERE REALLY GOOD FRIENDS TO HAVE WHEN THEY NEEDED TO GET FERTILIZER. AND SO THIS MARKET HAS REALLY CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS. SO THE BUSINESS MODEL IS CHANGING RAPIDLY. I, I KNOW JUST LOOKING AT THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY, IN FACT, USE THE COMPOST FOR VARIOUS AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. I, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT SELLS STUFF AT HOME DEPOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AT HOME DEPOT, I SAW, YOU KNOW, A VERY WELL ARTICULATED

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AS A GARDENER, I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE COMPOST BACK BECAUSE I WOULD CERTAINLY USE THAT. AND IT'S LIKE A WIN WIN FEELING. AND IT'S ALSO AN INTRODUCTORY, EASY WAY TO GET INTO JUST SUSTAINABILITY. IT'S THE LIKE THE OPENING DOOR, SO TO SPEAK, IN SOME, SOME RESPECTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. STEVEN, ON THAT NOTE, WHAT WAS THAT PRICE IF PER PER HOUSEHOLD, IF THEY WERE TO DO IT, WAS IT 19 SOMETHING. YEAH. $19 IS PASSIONATE. I AM MR. VESTAL. I IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK I NEED YOU AT THE MICROPHONE. I'M SORRY. I'M I'M, I'M AWARE OF THE THE OPT IN AND THEN PAYING THE. 22 BUT VERY FEW OF ANY RESIDENTS PROBABLY PAY $20 EXTRA PER MONTH TO FEEL GOOD AS WELL AS EVEN IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, GETTING CONFIDENCE

[02:10:03]

NOT PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE PROVIDERS ARE WILLING TO OPERATE LIKE THAT. DIDN'T YOU SAY THEY WANT AN ALL OR NOTHING AGREEMENT BASED ON THE CONSORTIUM? WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING, SAY WE DON'T DO THIS. AND WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER OPTION. IF THIS IS ALREADY OUT THERE AND ANYONE CAN SIGN UP FOR IT AT 20 BUCKS A MONTH. YEAH, YEAH. ACTUALLY, I'M, I DID THE MATH WRONG THERE. SINCE THIS WAS A FORMAL BID, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY ON THIS. YOU'D HAVE TO, IF YOU WANTED TO MODIFY THIS, TECHNICALLY, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND REBID IT SO MANY TIMES. MAYBE I APOLOGIZE. I NEED TIMES 12. NEVERMIND. THAT'S 164,000 IF THEY DID IT FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, RIGHT? WELL, WE'RE STILL DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS RESOLUTION? ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENT? IS THERE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION? I'LL MOVE. ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION R 37 2026 SECOND. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ NO.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCCLELLAN NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. BRISK NO. MAYOR.

SPALDING. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. NO. SEVEN. NO VOTES ON THE MOTION. RESOLUTION R 37 DOES NOT PASS. NOW I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO LOOK FOR GRANTS OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAYBE TAKE A DIFFERENT STEP. NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE JUST VOTED ON, BUT MAYBE LOOKING AT CURBSIDE AS AN IDEA. AND MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER OPTION TO AT LEAST TRY TO START SOMETHING CURBSIDE HERE, BUT MAYBE NOT BE AS COST PROHIBITIVE. SO JUST SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW, JOE, IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I THINK YOU JUST KIND OF SORT OF STEPPED ON SOMETHING IF I HEARD IT RIGHT, WHICH IS THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT CHOSE TO OPT IN ON THEIR OWN FOR THE SERVICE, IT WOULD COST THEM $20 A MONTH. WE COULD HAVE SUSTAINABILITY COME BACK WITH SOME SORT OF A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE COULD CONSIDER TO GIVE SOME SORT OF A CITY GRANT TO PEOPLE THAT OPT IN TO PAY FOR A PORTION OF THE $20 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF THERE'S ENOUGH INTEREST AND WE SEE IT STARTING TO BUILD FROM THERE, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT A CONTRACT FOR EVERYBODY. IF THAT BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY $20 A MONTH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS OR IF IT'S FOR AS MANY PEOPLE. AND THEN THIS BECOMES A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. BUT I DO SEE COMPOSTING BEING MORE IMPORTANT IN THE FUTURE. AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS TO BRING IT TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. WELL, IT WAS A NO ON THIS RESOLUTION, BUT I THINK WE'RE SUPER OPEN MINDED

[ 12. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS]

[13. REPORTS OF REPRESENTATIVES]

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THAT WOULD BE IN THE I'M SORRY, THE FRANKLIN COUNTY AREA. ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS WOULD COMPRISE ABOUT 117,000 IN POPULATION GROWTH. IN THE REGION. THEY'RE EXPECTING TO REACH 3.14 MILLION BY 2050. THE COUNTY POPULATION COULD GROW TO ABOUT 2.9 MILLION BY APPROXIMATELY 2055. CURRENTLY THEY'RE PROJECTING OR ESTIMATING 2.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE. IN THE COUNTY, AND THEY SHOW ABOUT 15,000 NET IN MIGRATION TO THE CENTRAL OHIO AREA FROM OVER LAST YEAR. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE REST OF THIS IS MINOR STUFF. SO THE

[02:20:08]

THERE WERE SERIES OF UPDATES. THERE WAS A TRANSPORTATION UPDATE. I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THEY ADDED THESE NEW STOP ARM CAMERAS TO THE BUS, WHICH WAS BECAUSE. MADE POSSIBLE BY A GRANT AND A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE APD. AND THEY ALSO ARE DOING SOME SCHOOL TRANSPORT ACTIVE THREAT RESPONSE TRAINING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GOOD COLLABORATION. THEY DID A FOOD UPDATE, THEY DID A SAFETY AND SECURITY UPDATE, AND THEN THEY DID A CAMPUS MASTER PLAN UPDATE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN UP TO SPEED ON HERE. BUT ON THE SCHOOL'S WEBSITE THERE, AS THE THE CONSTRUCTION'S ALL GOING AHEAD OF SCHEDULE OR ON PLAN AND SEEMS TO BE SEEMS TO ALL BE MOVING ALONG VERY WELL. THEY DID AN UPDATE ON THE CAREER PATHWAYS PLAN, WHICH IS TO CONNECT STUDENTS WITH INTERNSHIPS TO HELP MEET THE LATEST BENCHMARK FROM THE STATE OF OHIO, TO HELP WITH CAREER READINESS AND COLLEGE READINESS AS WELL. AND THEN THEY DID THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST, WHICH WAS QUITE GOOD NEWS AS WELL. SO THAT WAS THE MEETING. ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE UPDATE, MR. DIRK, ANY UPDATE FROM THE TOWNSHIP? YES. AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY APPROVED TRASH AND RECYCLE MUCH AS WE DID TODAY. AND THEY VOTED NO ON THE COMPOST PROPOSAL FOR THE TOWNSHIP. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS BEGINNING THE INITIAL SITE WORK ON THE NEW STATION, AND THEY ALSO USED THEY VOTED TO USE $50,000 OF THE OPIOID FUNDS THAT THEY RECEIVED FOR NEW HEART MONITOR. SO THEY HAVE STATE STATE OF THE ART HEART MONITORS IN THE EMT'S. AND JUST RECENTLY, LIKE TODAY, THE OHIO STATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN WAS ACTIVATED, WHICH BASICALLY MEANT MUTUAL AID WAS REQUESTED FOR A MEDIC UNIT TO BE ASSIGNED TO CROOKSVILLE, OHIO, TO TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE OVERWHELMED, AND A UNIT IS GOING TO BE THERE UNTIL TOMORROW AT 8 A.M. TO ASSIST THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST OVERWHELMED WITH ALL THE FLOODING AND OTHER DAMAGES THAT THEY'VE SUSTAINED. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. JOE. DID WE PROVIDE ANY OTHER NOT NECESSARILY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT ANY OTHER SERVICES FROM THE CENTRAL OHIO COMMUNITIES? AFTER THE STORM? WE DID NOT. WE WE DID RECEIVE A REQUEST FROM UPPER ARLINGTON FOR ASSIST. IT WAS A GENERAL REQUEST THAT THAT THAT THEY BROADCAST TO CENTRAL OHIO. WE WERE ACTUALLY HELPING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH TREE REMOVAL ON ON THURSDAY, SO WE WEREN'T AVAILABLE. I DID OFFER OUR SERVICES ON FRIDAY IF THEY NEEDED IT, BUT THEY THEY DIDN'T NEED IT BY THAT TIME. YEAH, I'D HEARD THAT UPPER ARLINGTON WAS, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT THE CALL FOR HELP. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT SHOWED UP. SO I WANT TO SEE IF WE'RE INVOLVED. OKAY.

[14. REPORTS OF CITY OFFICIALS]

THE TEAM DID A HECK OF A JOB BEING ENTERTAINING HIGH ENERGY AS ALWAYS, AND JUST A HECK OF A JOB PICKING OUT THE BANDS. IT WAS A LOT OF FUN, A LOT OF DIFFERENT MUSIC. AND I, YOU

[02:25:01]

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW REQUESTED THIS LAST UPDATE TO THE JULY 20TH ONE MINUTES, ATTRIBUTION ERRORS ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMON IF PEOPLE TALK OVER EACH OTHER OR HAVE VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SAY, REGARDING REMOVING A PARTICULAR LOT ON A, ON A PARTICULAR PLAN. SO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR ATTRIBUTION ERRORS, CERTAINLY. AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IT'S KIND OF FUN TO WATCH AI ADD SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T SAY TO MAKE A LOGICAL LEAP FROM THE BEGINNING TO AN END OF A THOUGHT THAT COMES OUT LOUD. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU COULD LOOK OUT FOR AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE MINUTES AND TRYING TO MAKE THEM EASIER. SO AGAIN, COME TO ME WITH ANY MORE QUESTIONS AND THAT'S IT FROM THE CLERK. ALL RIGHT. ANY UPDATE FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR? NOTHING TO REPORT. CITY MANAGER ADRIAN HAS ONE QUICK UPDATE FOR YOU. AND THEN I GUESS I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE REQUEST FOR COUNCIL. UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. I HAD FORGOTTEN TO MENTION IT EARLIER. I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION OF A MOTION AUTHORIZING ME TO EXECUTE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE FOP. OKAY, QUICK, JUST SOME QUICK INFORMATION REGARDING THE ROSE RUN TWO PROJECT. THIS INFORMATION WILL GO OUT AND CONNECTS THIS WEEK, BUT THERE WILL BE A ROAD CLOSURE OF EAST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD FROM MAIN STREET TO LOCUST VALLEY. SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE ALLEY THAT THE THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS ON. THAT STRETCH ROAD DOESN'T GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT THE EXHIBIT IN FRONT OF YOU JUST SHOWS HOW THAT WILL BE BARRICADED OFF AT AT THE KIND OF INTERSECTION OF EAST DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD WITH MAIN STREET, THERE WILL BE NO LANE CLOSURES ON MAIN STREET DURING SCHOOL PICKUP OR DROP OFF AFTER PICKUP. SO LIKE AFTER NINE, THEY WILL BRING BARRICADES OUT TO TAKE THE RIGHT LANE OF NORTHBOUND MAIN STREET, AND THEN BEFORE TWO THEY WILL TAKE THOSE BACK. REALLY, THAT SPACE IS NEEDED JUST FOR SAFETY FOR THE WORKERS.

THIS IS RELATED TO UNDERGROUNDING THE UTILITY LINES THEY'RE DOING PUTTING DUCT BANKS AND CONDUITS IN. SO THEY JUST WANT A LITTLE EXTRA SPACE FOR SAFETY REASONS WHILE THE WORKERS ARE OUT NEAR THE CURB AND IN THAT LANE OF TRAFFIC. BUT WE WORKED WITH MESSER CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANE WILL BE OPEN FOR WHEN DROP OFF OCCURS IN THE MORNING, AND IT WILL BE THEN OPEN AGAIN WHEN PEOPLE START TO GO TO PICK UP. WE KNOW THAT JUST THROUGH THROUGH THE YEARS, PICKUP IS A LITTLE LESS INTENSE THAN THE MORNING DROP OFF, BUT PEOPLE STILL TRICKLE THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. YOU KNOW, DURING THOSE FEW HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, THERE IS ANOTHER SLIDE. IT'S A LITTLE MORE DETAILED, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT, AND I CAN SEND THIS OUT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, BUT ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE EAST ON DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD, YOUR DETOUR IS GOING TO BE DOWN RNA TO MARKET STREET. IF YOU'RE GOING UP, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO GO UP AND THEN YOU'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE

[02:30:03]

[17. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

IT'S IT'S OVER THERE SOMEWHERE. SURE. YES. THANK YOU. YES. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES.

COUNCILMEMBER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. SIX. YES. VOTES GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:03 P.M. IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME, YOU'LL EITHER SEE A PAUSE SCREEN OR THE CAMERAS WILL CONTINUE TO RUN, BUT WE NOW WE'RE PUSHING SOUND ALL RIGHT. I MOVE THAT WE RETURN TO THE PUBLIC MEETING HAVING EXITED EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND. I'VE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE GOT IT. MAYOR SPALDING. YES, YOU'RE ON RECORD. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCCLELLAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES.

I HAVE SIX YES VOTES TO RESUME THE REGULAR SESSION. HAVING EXITED THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AT

[18. OTHER BUSINESS]

COUNCIL. YES. I'M REQUESTING COUNCIL APPROVAL TO EXECUTE A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE. CAPITAL CITY LODGE. SO MOVED.

WE'LL PUT THAT HERE. IT'S PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND.

OKAY, SO ON THE MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHAW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DEREK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WECHAT. YES. MAYOR. SPALDING. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCCLELLAN.

YES. SIX. YES. VOTES ON THE MOTION. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. YEAH. LET ME JUST THANK THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND THE TEAM THAT HELPED NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT. OBVIOUSLY, A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THIS WAS A VERY COLLEGIAL NEGOTIATION. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH A LOT OF THE ARTICLES WITHOUT A LOT OF FANFARE AND GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER, WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY COMPENSATION IN THESE AGREEMENTS. BUT I JUST APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S EFFORTS TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IT PUT THEIR EFFORTS TOWARDS WHAT REALLY MATTERS. AND THAT'S HAVING GOOD MANAGEMENT, LABOR RELATIONS, AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL AND OUR COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DO FOR ALL OF US. SO THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION? NO. ALL RIGHT. THEN I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMEMBER SHAW. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.