[I. Call to order]
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RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, OCTOBER 19TH. THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. KIRBY, PRESENT. MR. WALLACE, PRESENT. MISS BRIGGS HERE. MR. LARSON. PRESENT. DOCTORS PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER WILTROUT. HERE. ALL VOTING MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE HAVE A S TO THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 17TH? NONE FOR ME. I HAD ON PAGE
[III. Action on minutes: August 17, 2026]
THREE. ON PARAGRAPH ONE. AT THE VERY BEGINNING, THE MR. DANES, I THINK THE END OF THE LINE OR BACKWARDS ON HIS NAME. DO I THINK, ON THE NAME. MR. IT'S DERYN OR N Y. I CAN'T REMEMBER.I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. I MISSPELLED IT, AND THEN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, THE SAME THING.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. FOR YOUR MOTION ON THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 17TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I'LL SECOND THAT. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I SAID I'LL SECOND THAT. I'M CALLING FOR A SECOND. SORRY, I MISHEARD THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION NEAR THE ROLL, PLEASE? MISS BRIGGS? YES. MR. KIRBY. YES. DOCTOR. SEGAL. YES. MR. LARSEN. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES. YES. WITH ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA? NO.
WOULD EVERYONE WISHING TO COMMIT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT PLEASE RISE? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD ALL SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. IT TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE. HEARING THE VISITORS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH VISITORS? SEEING NONE, WE GO ON TO OUR CASES.
[VI. Cases]
OUR FIRST ONE IS ZONING CHANGE. LUCILLE LYNN REZONING. COULD WE FROM STAFF, PLEASE. YES. SO THIS IS FOR REZONING OF 0.3 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. ON THE REQUEST, THE REQUEST PROPOSES TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT TO BE KNOWN AS THE BEACH INTERCHANGE SOUTHEAST EXPANSION TWO ZONING DISTRICT. BY ZONING THE AREA FROM TO LIMITED GENERAL EMPLOYMENT FROM AGRICULTURE. THIS IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST OF AND ADJACENT TO STATE ROUTE 161 AND BEACH ROAD INTERCHANGE, AND THE NEIGHBORING USES IN ZONING DISTRICT INCLUDE OTHER LG IPDS.THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IF THIS LOOKS A LITTLE FAMILIAR, THE PORTION OF THIS LOT WAS LEFT OUT FROM A PREVIOUS REZONING THAT WAS HEARD IN MAY, WHICH WAS Z 33, 2026. THE APPLICANT IS COMING BACK TO THE BOARD TO COMPLETE THE REZONING OF THIS PARCEL, AND THE PROPOSED ZONING WOULD BE AN LG E, WHICH IS THE BASE DISTRICT FOR THE IP, D, AND THE REST OF THE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED. SINCE THIS PORTION DOES NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ALONG US 161 AND MOST OF IT WILL BE RIGHT OF WAY WHEN DEVELOPED, THERE WAS NO NEED TO MAKE IT AN IPD. JUST AS A REMINDER, IS RECOMMENDED TONIGHT, THIS REZONING WILL ALSO NEED TO GO OF CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO THIS ZONING TEXT ALLOWS FOR THE SAME USES AS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TEXT TO THE NORTH, WITH THE SAME RESTRICTIONS FOR THE DATA CENTERS. THE TEXT STATES THAT THERE SHALL BE A 50 FOOT BUILDING IN PAVEMENT. SETBACK FROM THE EXISTING CENTER LINE OF LUCILLE LAND, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING TEXT ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF LUCILLE LAND, AND THE SAME STREETSCAPE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE TEXT TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY ALONG THE ROADWAY AS WELL. OVERALL, THE ZONING DISTRICT FACILITATES THE DEVELOPMENT OF INDUSTRIAL, OFFICE BUSINESS AND RETAIL USES. THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT CONTAINS THE SAME LIST OF CONDITIONAL AND PROHIBITED USES AS THE BEACH INTERCHANGE SOUTHEAST EXPANSION ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE REST OF THE PARCEL AND THE PROPOSED TEXT IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE ENVISIONED EMPLOYMENT IN MANUFACTURING USES FOR THE AREA AND ENGAGED IN NEW ALBANY STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS, SINCE THIS SECTION OF THE PARCEL WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH THE ENTIRE PARCEL AS A WHOLE ON THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS ARE THE SAME AS THEY WERE FOR THE EXISTING ZONING FOR THE REST OF THE PARCEL. AND I'M HERE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE APPLICANT? TOM RUDY WITH NEW ALBANY COUNTY. CAN YOU.
SO LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE YOU, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT WE TALKED NOT ONLY ABOUT THE ZONING OF THIS, BUT THE EXTENSION OF LUCILLE LANE ROAD. SO YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE A PLAQUE FAIRLY SOON THAT EXTENDS LUCILLE LYNN ROAD TO THE WEST AND ULTIMATELY TO THE SOUTH,
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CONNECTING IN WITH WORTHINGTON ROAD, MATCHING ACTUALLY, THAT THAT NEW SECTION WILL BE BUILT TO ALL THE CITY SPECS THAT EXISTING SECTION OF LUCILLE, AND THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW WILL BE IMPROVED AS WELL, INCLUDING THE STREET TREES AND LEISURE PATHS AND THE LIKE. WHAT I DIDN'T DISCUSS WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOU THE LAST TIME, WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH CITY STAFF. THERE ARE NO REPORTERS IN THE ROOM. WE WERE ASKED AND TRIED TO ACQUIRE THE OLD STORAGE FACILITY. SO OUR HOPE WAS TO CLEAN UP ALL OF THIS, TO HAVE THIS UNDER ONE CONTROL. WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THAT DONE. THIS IS NOT A REMNANT, NOT PART OF, OF, OF THE STORAGE FACILITY. BUT MY HOPE WAS TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO YOU TO ANNEX THAT AS WELL AS THIS PARCEL TO THE NORTH. WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. SO WE HAVE THIS ONE REMAINING SLIVER OF GROUND THAT HAS BEEN ANNEXED TO THE CITY. WHEN IT'S ANNEXED, IT COMES IN UNDER THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING CATEGORY. THIS REQUEST IS TO IS TO REZONE THAT POINT THREE ACRE PARCEL CONSISTENT WITH THE BALANCE OF THE REMAINING PIECE. ARE THERE ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS AND THE ADJACENT. LG? AT ALL? THE CONDITION WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS, TALK ABOUT TREE SURVEYS AND PHOTOMETRICS AND ODOT AGREEMENT. THOSE ARE ALL CONDITIONS THAT THAT WE AGREED TO WHEN WE CAME IN WITH THE LARGER AREA AND IN FACT ARE MORE APPLICABLE TO THE LARGER AREA. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM COMMITTING TO THEM AGAIN, BUT MANY OF THOSE, TO BE CLEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE NO WELLS ON THAT LITTLE POINT THREE ACRE PIECE, BUT WE AGREED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE WORK WAS DONE WITH DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE AREN'T ANY WELLS, THAT THEY ARE. THE COUNTY TAKES CARE OF THEM. SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONDITIONS. IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU WOULDN'T JUST INCORPORATE THIS INTO THE ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE'RE DOING. SECOND, IT'S A IT'S CALLED A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, THOUGH, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO GOOD QUESTION. I WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT, I'M SORRY, ERIN UNDERHILL, WALTON PARKWAY, NEW ALBANY, HERE REPRESENTING THE WELLBEING COMPANY AND LBJ HOLDINGS, BECAUSE WE, WE REALLY PICKED THIS UP AS A STRANGE REMNANT OF A NUMBER OF ANNEXATIONS AND ZONINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS. AND I ACTUALLY CAUGHT THIS, THAT THIS WASN'T ANNEXED JUST THROUGH A SHEER ACCIDENT. AND WITH SOME THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON, ON THE PRIVATE TRANSACTION SIDE, WE SAW THE NEED TO GET THIS DONE PRETTY QUICKLY. AND, AND SO WE THOUGHT THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO JUST BRING IN WHAT WE'RE ANNEXING.ANDREW IS HERE. WE WILL BE PROBABLY ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THIS ANNEXATION, ACCEPTANCE AND ZONING AS AN EMERGENCY. WITH THE FIRST READING ONLY JUST SO, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME TRANSACTIONS PENDING AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT ROUTE TO FOLLOW, WE WERE WILLING TO REZONE WHAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY 20 ACRES IN DOING THAT, RATHER THAN JUST 23. OKAY. THE OTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT, AND WHEN THIS GOES FORWARD TO COUNCIL THAT THE REQUEST FOR EMERGENCY IS, IS WE WILL BE WE WE STRUCK AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN THROUGH THIS AREA. THE CITY WILL ACTUALLY BE RESURFACING THAT SECTION OF LUCILLE LYNN ROAD. THIS THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY WILL BUILD THE BALANCE WE WANT AT THE TIME. THOSE UP SO THAT THEY'RE HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY. THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS BY DOING THAT. OKAY. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WORK ON THE GROUND IS NO CONTROL. SO THE ANNEXATION AND THE ZONING THOUGH WILL BE UNDER EMERGENCY. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. BUT HERE AGAIN, MOST OF IT IS WELL, LET'S SAY ROUGHLY HALF OF IT'S WITHIN WHAT WILL BE CITY RIGHT OF WAY WITH WITH AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT WE THINK IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO SERVE THE AREA. SO IN THESE PARCELS IN PARTICULAR. SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE GONE AND CLEANED IT UP ALL INTO ONE. BUT WE HAVE SOME TIMING CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE DRIVING IT. OKAY. AND IS LUCILLE ROAD PART OF THE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT, OR IS THAT ALL SEPARATE APPROVAL? THAT'S A SEPARATE YEAH, IT'LL BE A MOBILE. WELL, THERE WILL BE A PLAT THAT EXTENDS THE ROAD, AS TOM MENTIONED. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS IS A REALLY BIG SPAGHETTI MESS OF EASEMENTS AND RIGHTS OF WAY, ETC. THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE GET TRANSFERRED INTO THE CITY'S HANDS. AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S COMPLETE, WE WILL TRANSFER THIS PIECE INTO THE CITY OWNERSHIP. AND THEN YOU
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WILL SEE THAT I THINK CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO TAKE SOME ACTION RELATED TO THOSE THINGS.BUT YOU WILL SEE THE PLAT FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE ROADWAYS WESTWARD AND SOUTHWARD. THERE IS A PLAQUE THAT YOU'LL SEE IS NOT JUST FOR THE EXTENSION, IT'S FOR ALL THE LUCILLE. THAT EXISTING ROAD IS. OTHER QUESTIONS. IN THE TEXT UNDER LIGHTING, YOU HAD ELIMINATED ONE POINT, WHICH WAS ABOUT UTILITIES NOT GOING. IT'S ABOUT UTILITIES FOR. THAT HAD TO BE UNDERGROUND. AND THAT'S NOT. THAT'S MISSING IN THE NEW TEXT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DID THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT IT THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT GOES BACK IN AGAIN JUST SO THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THOSE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND.
YEAH. SO IT'S ITEM SIX F UNDER THE OLD TEXT WOULD GET ADDED BACK IN WHICH STATES JUST OVER.
HERE'S ALL NEW ELECTRICAL UTILITIES THAT ARE INSTALLED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT SHALL BE LOCATED UNDERGROUND. JUST CONSISTENCY. IS THERE ANY DEVELOPMENT INTENDED IN THAT POINT?T?T?T?T?T?T?T?T?T?T?T?T?TE RIGHT OF WAY. WELL, THAT THAT POINT THREE ACRES WILL INCLUDE INSTALLATION OF TREE, LAWN, SIDEWALK AND HORSE FENCE. OKAY. THERE WILL BE NO STRUCTURES PER SE, BUT THERE WILL BE PART OF THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT. THE LENGTH OF EXISTING LUCILLE LAND AND FUTURE CEILING. OKAY. AND IS THERE ANY FUTURE PLAN TO MERGE ALL YOUR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS ONE DEVELOPMENT? YES. YES. WELL, OUR, OUR, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR OBJECTIVE WAS FOR ALL OF THIS AREA TO BE ONE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT. I. I PREDICT IT WILL BE TRANSFERRED AND SOLD. WE'RE WORKING WITH TWO POTENTIAL CLIENTS RIGHT NOW, SO IT WILL LIKELY BE TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, BOTH OF WHICH EXTEND ON BOTH SIDES OF LUCILLE AND RED. SO THERE IS THE. THERE IS A PROVISION IN OUR ZONING TEXT THAT BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE, WHERE WE'VE HAD TO ADD THINGS. AND SO THAT ESSENTIALLY THAT NORTHERN PARCEL LINE OR BOUNDARY LINE, IF WE HAVE A COMMON OWNERSHIP OF THIS WITH A SIMILAR ZONING, THAT LINE WILL GO AWAY. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'LL HAPPEN HERE MOST LIKELY. SO THAT IS ONLY THOSE SETBACKS. ELIMINATION IS ONLY IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE THE SHARED PROPERTY LINES, NOT TOWARDS THE LUCILLE END ROAD. RIGHT. RIGHT. NOW, IF YOU COMBINE THAT DEVELOPMENT AS ONE AND YOU PUT THE LIMIT OF 20% OF DATA CENTER, NOW THAT 20% LIMIT APPLIES TO 0.3 ACRES, OR IT APPLIES TO EVERYTHING COMBINED, 20% IS THE DATA CENTER. LET ME SEE EVERYTHING. SO EVERYTHING THAT APPLIES TO EVERYTHING COMBINED APPLY TO THAT. THE ENTIRE ZONING DISTRICT COLLECTIVELY. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A HUGE AREA. 20% YES, THAT WILL GO TO DATA CENTER. IF A DATA CENTER COMES THERE THAT THE, THE, THE I CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT THE TWO CLIENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH NOW HAVE NO DATA CENTER COMPONENT RELATED TO IT. OKAY.
OKAY. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THE AGENDA. IT CALLS THIS ZCZC26001. AS WE GET INTO THE STAFF REPORT IT HAS ZC-0126. COULD WE CLARIFY WHICH ONE'S RIGHT? SORRY, WE RECENTLY TRANSITIONED TO A NEW PROGRAM TO REDO ALL OF OUR NUMBERS, SO WE'RE GETTING USED TO THE NEW NUMBERS. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE ZC 260001 WOULD BE THE CORRECT NUMBER. YEP. THANK YOU FOR THAT CATCHING UP. AND JUST LIKE KYLIE SAID, MOVING FORWARD, THE CASE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I MOVE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORDS FOR ZONING CHANGE. 26-01, ALSO KNOWN AS OH ONE 2026. IS THERE A SECOND ON THE DOCUMENTS MOTION? I SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO THE
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ROLL, PLEASE, MR. KIRBY? YES. YES. MR. LAWSON YES. MR. WALLACE YES, MISS BRIGGS YES, YES, WITH ALL VOTES TO ADMIT THE DOCUMENTS. WE ARE OKAY. SHOWING THREE CONDITIONS AFTER ALL OF THE DISCUSSION. THOSE WERE ENGINEERING BE ADDRESSED. ACTUALLY, LET ME DO A REAL QUICK QUESTION. PLANNING STAFF MENTIONED THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. IS THAT SUFFICIENT, OR WAS THERE ANY OTHER ENGINEERING THAT WE NEEDED TO HEAR ABOUT FROM ENGINEERING? I NORMALLY CALL THEM A SEPARATE CALL, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS OKAY, THAT WE TALK WITH THE ENGINEERING STAFF EARLIER TODAY, AND THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FROM ENGINEERING HERE TONIGHT. GREAT. SO MY COMMENTS ARE, NUMBER ONE, THAT ENGINEERING COMMENTS BE ADDRESSED TO THE SAME CONDITIONS AS THE LARGER LG PARCEL AND THREE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND, MENTIONING THE SIX F IN THE OLD TEXT. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE ITSELF? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE APPLICATION ZC 26-0001. BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED BY MR. KIRBY. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. LARSEN. YES, MISS BRIGGS. YES. MR. WALLACE. YES, DOCTOR. YES. MR. KIRBY? YES, YES. HAVE IT ALL VOTES TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS BE ADDRESSED. THAT, NUMBER TWO, THAT THIS HAS THE SAME CONDITIONS AS THE LARGER PARCEL. AND NUMBER THREE, THAT THE UTILITIES WILL BE UNDERGROUND. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. TAKES US TO OUR OTHER BUSINESS BOARD AND[VII. Other business]
COMMISSION TRAINING, COMMUNITY UPDATE AND A ZONING CHANGE. ZONING CODE CHANGE. SO AS PROMISED PREVIOUSLY, WE ARE REVISITING A FEW ISSUES IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN PRIOR BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEETINGS, NOT JUST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TOUCH UPON A FEW OF THE BIGGER ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING AFOUL OF ANY ISSUE. AND THE FIRST IS OPEN MEETINGS REQUIREMENTS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S RECOLLECTION ON IS THAT ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS REGARDING A PENDING MATTER HAPPEN IN PUBLIC SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT, EVERYBODY CAN HEAR IT, EVERYBODY CAN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SIDEBAR CONVERSATIONS WITH ONE ANOTHER AT THE PODIUM SO THAT ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN, HAPPEN OUT IN SUNSHINE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE REITERATE TODAY AND ALSO APPLIES TO PUBLIC EMAILS. I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TOO, BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT SOMETIMES COME UP IS WHEN BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS START HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH ONE ANOTHER VIA EMAIL. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS OR RESPONDING TO EMAILS, WE'RE NOT HITTING REPLY AT ALL. WE'RE JUST REPLYING TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S MAKING THE REQUEST VIA EMAIL, AND THAT WE DON'T TRY TO CIRCUMVENT OHIO'S OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THAT ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP SOMETIMES AS WELL. SO JUST REMEMBER WHEN YOU'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS, HAVE IT WITH THE PUBLIC. NO PERSONAL DISCUSSIONS WHILE THE MEETING IS ONGOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T RUN AFOUL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND HAVE ANY, ANY ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE DO HAVE RULES GOVERNING PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IF PEOPLE START RUNNING TOO FAR AFIELD OR WE START GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND RELEVANT INFORMATION, OR START GETTING A BIT REDUNDANT WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON TOO, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS WELL AS THEY'RE PRESENTED TO THE PANEL. I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WHERE THAT HAS BEEN A BIT OF AN ISSUE, AND WE'VE GENERALLY WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH IT. BUT GOING FORWARD, I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ASSERTIVE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING, STAYING ON THE RIGHT PATH AND NOT GOING DOWN TOO MANY RABBIT HOLES, OR IAN, WHO MAY BE HERE SOMETIMES ON OCCASION AS WELL FROM OUR OFFICE, MAY TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING, STAYING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH, NOT GOING DOWN ANY RABBIT HOLES.SO IF WE HAVE MORE FOLLOW UP ABOUT OPEN MEETINGS, IT'S BECAUSE THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO SOME ISSUES OR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, NOT ONLY WITH THIS BOARD, BUT SOME OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL DISCUSSION I WANTED TO HAVE ABOUT OPEN MEETINGS. YOU GUYS ARE GENERALLY PRETTY GOOD WITH IT. MOST HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, I'M HAPPY TO
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ANSWER THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH IT. OH THANK YOU, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I WON'T NAME NAMES WHERE THEY DON'T AT ALL INVITE OR ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE SHOWN UP TO A MEETING, WAITED FOR THE SPOT WHERE IT'D BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO TALK. AND SOMEONE'S MADE A MOTION AND IT'S. AND THE TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION BEFORE THEY EVEN GET A CHANCE TO TALK. YEAH. AND THEN I KNOW THE CLERK, CHRISTINA, DOES A NICE JOB TRYING TO SET A NICE ROADMAP UP FOR EVERYBODY IN ITINERARY SO SHE'LL, SHE'LL HAVE YOU ALL SET UP FOR THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS. BUT AGAIN, JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HAVING THE RIGHT PUBLIC COMMENT, THE RIGHT PUBLIC DISCUSSION. SO THAT WAY IF SOMETHING GETS VOTED DOWN OR REJECTED, IT TAKES AWAY ONE ISSUE THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS WE GO ALONG. SO THANK YOU. IF THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC THAT HAS EXTENDED TIME AT THE PULPIT, SAY THEY'RE THERE FOR 30 MINUTES, OR HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? YEAH. SO, SO GENERALLY, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE, THE CHAIR DOES A NICE JOB WITH THAT, TRYING TO DIRECT THINGS. BUT IF THEY GO TO BE TOO LONG OR IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE START HAVING MULTIPLE MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC COMING TO SPEAK AND THEY'RE JUST REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE CAN CERTAINLY LIMIT THEIR STATEMENTS TO A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD OR TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT PRESENTING INFORMATION THAT'T'T'T'T'T'T'T'' IRRELEVANT AT THAT POINT. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE CAN DO IT A COUPLE OF WAYS. USUALLY, I DEFER TO THE CHAIR BECAUSE HE DOES A NICE JOB, AND THERE IS A BENEFIT TO HAVING PEOPLE TO GIVING THE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. BUT THEN IF IT I THINK A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, THINGS STARTED TO GO SOUTH AND GO SIDEWAYS AND THEN TRY TO INTERJECT SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THINGS BACK ON TRACK AND BACK ON COURSE. SO IT'S USUALLY WHEN THINGS CHAIR CAN DO IT OR I CAN DO IT IF THINGS START GOING TOO FAR AFIELD. AND THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, IS WE DEAL WITH MORE AND MORE COMPLEX ISSUES, MAYBE MORE AND MORE, YOU KNOW, CONTROVERSIAL. WE'LL TRY TO KEEP KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE TASK AT HAND GOING FORWARD ON THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS. SO THAT PROTECTS YOU GUYS AND THE DECISIONS YOU MAY MAKE AS A BOARD OR COMMISSION GOING FORWARD. BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN MANAGE GOING FORWARD. AND IF AT ANY POINT YOU EVER HAVE A QUESTION OR CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TOO FAR AFIELD, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN RAISE WITH ME AS WELL. AND I CAN I CAN TRY TO REIN EVERYBODY IN. I'M HAPPY TO I'M HAPPY TO BE THE HEAVY ON THAT TYPE OF ISSUE.IF IT COMES UP, I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. AS A HELPFUL THING. THAT MAY BE HELPFUL NOT ONLY TO ME BUT TO OTHER CHAIRS. IF YOU'VE GOT AN AUDIENCE FULL OF PEOPLE, YOU MIGHT REMIND THE COMMISSION THE GOAL OF HOW, OF HOW, HOW AND WHY WE ELICIT PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT THEY'RE ADDRESSING US SO THAT WE WOULD SO THAT WE KNOW HOW TO VOTE. THE WHOLE GOAL IS ADDRESS US AND THAT WE KNOW HOW TO VOTE AND REMIND US THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS ANSWERING THEIR QUESTIONS AND SUCH. YEAH. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW. COUNCIL ON THERE SPEAKER FORM. THEY'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS TOO, SO THAT THEY'RE MORE, MORE LIMITED TO WHAT THEY SHOULD BE SPEAKING TO COUNCIL ABOUT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THE ISSUES THAT THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR AND REVIEW. AND I'M NOT GOING TO DIVE TOO DEEP INTO THE THE WEEDS ON ANY OF THESE ISSUES, BUT I THINK STAFF AND PUTTING THEIR STAFF REPORTS TOGETHER ARE GOING TO DO A I DON'T WANT TO SAY I THINK THEY'S DONE A REALLY NICE JOB, BUT OUTLINED VERY CLEARLY WHAT OUR FACTORS FOR CONSIDERATION ARE AND HOW SOME OF THE DIFFERENT FACTORS RELATE TO THOSE SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS. TO HELP, AGAIN, PROVIDE YOU GUYS A ROADMAP AS TO WHAT WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP? WHAT ARE THE PERTINENT ISSUES SO THAT PEOPLE START GOING FAR AFIELD ON A MATTER THAT'S NOT REALLY PERTINENT TO WHAT YOUR REVIEW IS? IT PROVIDES US A MECHANISM TO TO GET THEM BACK ON TASK SO POINTEDLY, THE ISSUES OR THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DECIDED BEFORE. EXACTLY. RIGHT, EXACTLY RIGHT. OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT BROUGHT THIS IS, IS IT AN ISSUE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED AND ARE WE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT PROVIDE IT'LL PROVIDE YOU GUYS A TOOL TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK INTO. AND AGAIN, WE'LL DO A AGAIN, I THINK WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB THE STAFF DOES, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO IS SETTING WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE, OUTLINING WHAT THE PROCESS IS. ARE YOU MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL? ARE YOU MAKING A FINAL DECISION TO COUNCIL SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THOSE ARE TO TWO PATHS GOING FORWARD ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE C, P, UDS AND THE IP UDS. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, ONE, YOU'RE MAKING A FINAL DECISION FOR COUNCIL. WHERE ARE WE WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN? AND THEN MAKING IT CLEAR THAT WHEN THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING, THAT WE'RE PROVIDING YOU THE RIGHT STANDARDS TO REVIEW. BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK ONE OF THE ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WENT A LITTLE BIT SIDEWAYS, I THINK WE DIDN'T PROVIDE YOU THE ACCURATE INFORMATION IN THE
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STAFF REPORT, WHICH CREATED SOME ISSUES. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. AND AGAIN, CONTINUE TO LEAN ON STAFF. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE. BUT WE'LL WE'LL DO A BETTER JOB TAKING THEM FROM STRAIGHT FROM CODE MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN I GUESS LASTLY, AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE STANDARDS. WE'LL PUT THOSE IN THE STAFF REPORTS, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HAPPENED WITH ONE ANOTHER, BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS IS, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, AN APPEAL TO TO CITY COUNCIL. IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT COMES TO YOU GUYS ON A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WILL BE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY VOCAL, BUT PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. WHAT DOES IT TRULY MEAN TO HAVE A CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU KNOW, HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE IT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PAST, OR WHAT? WHAT IS THAT NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN PREVIOUSLY TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE DEALING WITH A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, WE'RE WE'RE REVIEWING IT APPROPRIATELY RATHER THAN JUST WHAT WE THINK IS THIS SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR THE NICE THING TO DO. IT HAS TO BE BASED UPON THE STANDARD. BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE START TO DEVIATE FROM WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE, THOSE CRITERIA ARE, THEN WE START TO GO DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME AND SEEK A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. ON THE APPEAL THAT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AS A COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW AND ASSESS AND TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT MORE SPECIFIC CRITERIA CAN WE MAYBE ADOPT IN CODE SO THAT WE KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, WHETHER THEY'RE TAKING IT TO NOVO OR WHETHER THEY'R'R'R'R'R'R'R'R'R'R TO THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW OR WHAT EVERYBODY'S ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE IN THAT PROCESS. SO RELY UPON THE STAFF REPORT, RELY UPON US AS FAR AS QUESTIONS, IF YOU START HAVING CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE RELEVANT, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS TO HELP YOU GET TO A DECISION. BUT IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE PROCESS AND PROTECT THE ULTIMATE DECISION, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO THE THE CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS. BEN, WOULD YOU SEND US THE SLIDE? SURE. I THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO LOOK LIKE SOME OF THE STANDARDS. YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE I THOUGHT ABOUT TOO, IS MAYBE JUST EVEN JUST DOING A CHEAT SHEET ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES AS TO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN PASSING THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT, HERE'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS ON THIS ISSUE. AND HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT YOUR ROLE IS IN THE PROCESS. HERE'S HOW IT GOES TO COUNCIL. THAT WAY IT'S PRETTY EASY TO FLIP THROUGH AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD JUST TO GET A REFRESHER. YEAH, A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO. YEAH.SO COUNCIL HEARD THE APPEAL AND THEY VOTED TO APPROVE. SO THEY GRANTED APPEAL AND THEY JUST THEY APPROVED IT RIGHT THEN. SO THEY DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT SENDING IT BACK. IT'S NOT COMING BACK TO YOU. YEAH I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. CHRIS. ISN'T THAT RIGHT. YEAH. SORRY. WHAT WAS THE VOTE ON THAT. DOES ANYBODY KNOW OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD WAS UNANIMOUS. IT WAS. THANK YOU.
JUST ONE MORE POINT. AND IT'S KIND OF FAIR TO SAY BEN, THAT THAT'S KIND OF PROBABLY WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED ANYWAY UNDER THE STANDARD THAT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO YEAH, YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S PROBABLY THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE SHOULD UP. AND THEN BASED UPON SOME OF THE, THE, THE, THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WENT OUT, THE, THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERING. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT ONE. BUT I THINK ON THE, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS FOR COUNCIL IS MAYBE THEY START TO SEE MORE APPEALS OR, OR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MIGHT SEE MORE MOTIONS FOR RECONSIDERATION, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE ONE AT A. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT POSSIBILITY BY STICKING IN LINE WITH THE STANDARDS FOR REVIEW AS THE AS THE ISSUE COMES BEFORE YOU GUYS. AND THEN IF THEY IF THEY DO MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROCESS IS FIRST, ARE WE GOING TO RECONSIDER IT? AND IF IF THE VOTES. YES, THEN YOU HAVE A SEPARATE HEARING TO RECONSIDER IT, THAT YOU DON'T DO IT ALL AT ONCE AT THAT POINT. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
BUT THE THE CASE THAT WE HEARD WAS REALLY NOT THAT RIGHT. IT WAS IT WAS A CHANGE TO AN EXISTING ZONING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. RIGHT. AND THE PROBLEM WAS. FOR EXAMPLE, I VOTED AGAINST THE FIRST ONE, BUT IT PASSED. NOW IT COMES BACK AGAIN. THERE WERE ONLY FOUR MEMBERS. TWO OF US VOTED AGAINST IT, BUT IT WAS IT WAS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YEAH. SO JUST AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THE USE WAS RESOLVED BY THE TIME IT MADE IT TO YOU FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. RIGHT.
AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE ABOUT USE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S INTERESTING THOUGH, IT PUTS COMMISSION MEMBERS IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS OPPOSED TO THE PRELIMINARY. YET HERE COMES THE FINAL. BUT BY VOTING THE SAME WAY I VOTED IN THE
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PRELIMINARY, SOMEHOW I'VE RUN AFOUL OF WHAT THE STANDARD IS FOR. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FINAL. BECAUSE THE ZONING, WHAT. THE ZONING WASN'T AN ISSUE IN THAT VOTE. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY OR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH I'M SURE. SO THAT WAS THE FINAL MATCH, THE PRELIMINARY. YEAH. SO SO THE PRELIMINARY IS, IS A MUCH BROADER REVIEW. WHEN YOU GET TO THE FINAL IT'S HAVE YOU COMPLIED WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ALL THOSE THINGS. YOU CAN ALWAYS STILL VOTE NO. BUT THE RATIONALE HAS TO BE ON DIFFERENT CRITERIA AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE USE IS. AND THAT AND THAT'S WHERE WE RAN INTO PROBLEM WITH THAT ISSUE IS, AND AGAIN, I THINK OUR STAFF REPORT WASN'T ALTOGETHER CLEAR WHAT THE CRITERIA WERE. BUT BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHY I SAY IF YOU VOTE NO, GIVE YOUR RATIONALE.AND IF WE GIVE YOU THE STAFF REPORT THAT OUTLINES, HERE'S THE CRITERIA TO LOOK AT, YOU CAN EVALUATE IT WITH RESPECT TO THOSE SPECIFIC CRITERIA TO AVOID THAT SITUATION. MAYBE WHERE YOU'RE GOING BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT NOT CONSIDER. YEAH, IT'S STILL PUTS YOU IT PUTS I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS AN IMPROPER USE OF THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL. AND YET I'M IN A POSITION WHERE I GOT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I'M A. I'M AGREEING WITH IT WHEN I'M. WELL, AND I, I GUESS IT'S IT'S. YEAH. YOU THOUGHT IT WAS IMPROPER USE AND YOU VOTED NO. BUT THEN BY THE TIME IT WAS APPROVED, IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE WHETHER YOU FEEL THAT WAY OR NOT. SO THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO PUT, YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT ISSUE ASIDE AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT APPLIES WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE THE COUPLE OTHER CRITERIA THAT GO WITH IT. AND AT THAT POINT, A COMMISSION MEMBER CAN'T CHANGE THEIR MIND. NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY VOTED LIKE THAT'S. YEAH, I KNOW, THAT'S MY QUESTION. YEAH. YOU CAN'T AT THAT POINT.
YOU'RE DONE. RIGHT? YEAH. YOU'RE YOU'RE DONE ON THAT ISSUE ANYWAY. EXACTLY RIGHT.
GOT IT. YEAH. THE USE GOT SETTLED. YEAH. THE MATCH BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL WAS THE THING OR WAS THE QUESTION OF THE EVENING. YEAH. MAKE SURE WHETHER COMPLIED WITH WHAT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHETHER THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. AND AT THAT POINT THE USE HAD GONE AWAY. AND YOU JUST HAD TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT APPLIED WITH THAT AND MOVE IT FORWARD THAT WAY. I LOOKED AT IT THE SAME WAY AND HAD THE SAME CONCERN, RIGHT? YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. TO BEGIN WITH, IT'S HARD TO VOTE YES. YEAH. SO I GUESS, I MEAN, IT'S NOT ALWAYS A RUBBER STAMP BECAUSE THERE MAY BE CRITERIA IN PLACE THAT IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THAT WAY YOU CAN VOTE NO. AND HERE'S WHY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU TIE IT BACK TO THOSE WHY ALWAYS TYING IT BACK TO ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL TO, TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE DECISION. YEAH.
I GUESS AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I COULD ABSTAIN. AND THEN THE TWO VOTES, IF WE BOTH ABSTAINED BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT, IT'D BE 2 TO 0. AND IT STILL PASSED. NO, IT WOULDN'T NEED THREE VOTES. IT NEEDS THREE VOTES. NO. THEN IT WOULD. SO I JUST AND I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS ABSTENTION THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE A YOU NEED A MAJORITY TO PASS IT. YOU NEED A MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM TO PASS. OKAY. YEAH. IF YOU'RE HERE, YOU'RE HERE. SO YEAH THAT'S. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. YEAH. TWO IS NOT GOING TO DO IT WITH FOUR PEOPLE HERE. TWO WON'T PASS IT. SO IT PUTS US IN PUTS. WE CAN'T. WELL BUT AGAIN YOUR YOUR OBLIGATION IS TO REVIEW DOESN'T COMPLY. YEAH. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT. AGAIN LIKE WHY THE PROCESS IS SET UP. IT IS AS IT IS. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK IT COMPLIES WITH USE. BUT ONCE IT PASSES BY THE MAJORITY OF THE GROUP, THEN YOUR NEXT STEP IS JUST TO CONFIRM THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE. I GUESS THE ONLY APPROACH WOULD BE TO VOTE YES AND AND JUST MAKE A STATEMENT THAT I'M ONLY VOTING YES BECAUSE I HAVE TO BASICALLY. YEAH. BECAUSE I MEAN, BECAUSE IF I ABSTAINED, IT WON'T PASS.
BECAUSE IF THERE'S ONLY TWO VOTES. SO. BUT ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA FOR ABSTENTION? YEAH, SO I, I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT ABSTENTION THAT'S TRUE. AND WE'VE TALKED I DON'T. WELL, I THINK IF YOU DID THAT, IF YOU IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A CONFLICT OR APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT, THAT THAT'S A BASIS FOR ABSTENTION. AND YOU'VE GOT TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO ABSTAIN IN THAT PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM THE OUTSET.
YOU CAN'T SIT ON THE DAIS AND ASK QUESTIONS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN, AND YOU SHOULD MAKE A STATEMENT ON THE RECORD AS TO WHY YOU'RE ABSTAINING IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A CONFLICT, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU GOT IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU SAY, I JUST I DON'T LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT MAY IMPACT YOUR WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE FIT FOR THE BOARD COMMISSION, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE. BUT I, I DON'T THINK THE ABILITY TO ABSTAIN IS JUST I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. IT HAS TO BE BASED ON AN ETHICAL CRITERIA GENERALLY.
YEAH. CAN WE TABLE IT LIKE I KNOW THAT FOR COMMISSIONERS WERE PRESENT THAT DAY, BUT CAN
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WE TABLE IT? YES. SO I SUPPOSE YOU COULD TABLE IT. THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION. I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN TABLING, GOT VOTED DOWN THAT NIGHT, WHICH WAS A PROCESS TOO. SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S YOU, SOMEBODY ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT. AND THERE'S, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT SO THAT, THAT THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION. I KNOW SOMETIMES IT COMES UP WHEN, HEY, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING, BUT READING THE TEA LEAVES, YOU MAY WANT TO TABLE THIS AND COME BACK WHEN WE HAVE A FULL, FULL GROUP HERE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION AS WELL. YEAH, YEAH, GIVE IT, GIVE THEM THE CHOICE. AND LIKE I SAID, THAT NIGHT WAS A BIT WEIRD BECAUSE I THINK MR. UNDERHILL DID MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE AND IT GOT REJECTED. SO. YEAH, BECAUSE THE THOUGHT WAS LET'S NOT GO THROUGH AN HOUR, HOWEVER MANY HOURS THAT IT TOOK TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE GOT TO THE VOTE ITSELF, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. AND IF WE TABLED IT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REPEATED. AND THAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR NOT TABLING. I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS OF THAT MEETING. THAT CERTAINLY HAPPENED AT THE MEETING FOR THE THE COUPLE MEETINGS AGO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. YEAH, IT COULD BE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS. YEAH. THERE WAS IT IT WAS THERE WERE THAT'S THERE WERE THERE WERE SOME THINGS GOING ON THAT EVENING.SO BUT WE GOT THROUGH IT. BUT YEAH, SO I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE UP THERE FOR THE DISCUSSION, YOU'RE UP THERE FOR THE VOTE AT THAT POINT, I GUESS THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT. YEAH, I THINKW, IN THAT SITUATION, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, WE NEED TO WE NEED TO APPLY THE STANDARD, WHICH, AS WE POINTED OUT, IS COMPARING THE TWO. AND ARE THEY CONSISTENT? RIGHT. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE TO AGREE THEY'RE CONSISTENT, THEN WE CAN SAY THAT AND SAY, BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT SPOT EVEN THOUGH YEAH, YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE THAT STATEMENT ON THE RECORD THAT, HEY, I VOTE YES, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, I STILL DON'T, BUT EVALUATING THE CRITERIA BEFORE US. YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS HOW I COME DOWN AND EVALUATE AND EVALUATION THAT CRITERIA. YEAH. SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION LONG ENOUGH.
THERE'LL BE A BUNCH OF VOTES YOU WANT TO BACK. EXACTLY THAT. ONE PARTICULAR ONE WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE THE REASONING FOR THE TABLING WAS WANTED TO HAVE FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT. AND THAT WAS IT. RIGHT. SO IT FELT LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO JUGGLE THE VOTE. BUT BUT THAT HAPPENS. I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S YOU CAN MAKE A REQUEST ON THAT BECAUSE, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S T T T T T T T T E ON OCCASION TO WHEN, WHEN IT'S NOT SURE HOW THE VOTE'S GOING TO GO. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE, THE BOARD, THE COMMISSION ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO TABLE IT. IT CAN SAY NO, BUT IT JUST HAS TO BE CAREFUL IN THAT DECISION TO THAT AS TO HOW WE GET TO THAT POINT. OKAY. AND LOOK ON THE ABSTENTION ISSUE, AS ALWAYS, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER TO ABSTAIN OR NOT, REACH OUT TO STAFF OR REACH OUT TO ME PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND WE CAN HELP NAVIGATE THAT AND DECIDE WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST, BEST PATH FORWARD ON THAT ONE. THANKS. SO WE WON'T KEEP YOU HERE FOR TOO LONG, BUT WE DID WANT TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO GIVE YOU GUYS A COMMUNITY UPDATE TONIGHT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT OUR TEAM HAS BEEN DOING THIS YEAR, WITH BOTH WORK THAT COMES IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPLICATIONS, AS WELL AS LONG RANGE PROJECTS, AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF WHERE SOME OF THE WORK THAT STARTS IN THIS ROOM KIND OF ENDS UP AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO WE DO HAVE A SHORT VIDEO THAT OUR COMMS TEAM PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU GUYS. YEAH, MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN MAYBE GO BACK TO SLIDE 18. THAT'S OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND TRANSITION FROM SLIDES 2004.
CHRIS, IF YOU THINK I ACTUALLY PUT THAT TOGETHER, WE NEED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE. OKAY. HERE WE GO. HERE'S THE VIDEO. THANK YOU.
IT'S MY HOUSE. THERE'S NO WALKING. RIGHT. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS EVEN LOOK A LOT
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DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE SHOT THOSE VIDEOS WITH THE. LAST WEEK. THE FIELD HOUSE BACK HERE, PUBLIC SERVICE CAMPUS.PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR THING WE DID ALL YEAR. SO THE FIRE STATION HERE AND NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
AND THEN THE ACTUAL THE SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT BACK HERE. THIS IS GOING WEST. SO ONE THING WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE BEAR ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WAS MADE. I'M SURE YOU ALL HEARD ABOUT IT. THE BEAR SITE WILL BE LOCATED RIGHT HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF PARKWAY HERE. THIS PROJECT BEHIND EAGLES UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
CAMPUS. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. BUT THIS IS HOW THE SITE EXISTS. I THINK THIS YEAR, LATE LAST YEAR, WE WERE IN THE DEMOLITION OF THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S JUST A FEW OF THE MANY THINGS THAT WE ARE ALL WORKING ON THIS YEAR. AND SOME OF THOSE, NOT ALL OF THEM WERE DECISIONS THAT CAME THROUGH THIS BOARD, IF NOT THIS BOARD, CERTAINLY OTHERS. SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHERE DECISIONS END UP AFTER THEY LEAVE THIS ROOM. SO AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, OR ALL OF YOU HEARD US TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING IN NEW ALBANY, STARTING TO GET GREAT PLANNING. WE'VE BEEN DOING GOOD PLANNING FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, AS ILLUSTRATED HERE IN THIS EXHIBIT, IN THE LATE, PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE TOM SHERIDAN, BEFORE THE 1996. SORRY. I'M ON A ROLL TONIGHT ON IT. SO WE'RE CONTINUING THAT GREAT PLANNING WORK, PROBABLY BEFORE THIS YEAR, THE MOST RECENT ADDITION TO THAT WAS THE US 62 INTERCHANGE FOCUS AREA, WHICH I KNOW BRUCE LARSON SAT ON THAT THAT STEERING COMMITTEE. AND THEN THERE WERE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS THIS YEAR, REALLY LED BY CHELSEA, WHO CAME OVER BACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT, REALLY SPEARHEADED OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING EFFORTS THIS YEAR, WHICH INCLUDED THE KITZMILLER WETLAND PARK CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER TONIGHT WITH YOU GUYS, THE ATHLETIC CAMPUS CONCEPT PLANS AS YOU'LL DISCOVER SITE. AND THEN WE DID QUITE A BIT OF WORK STUDYING ALL THE STREETSCAPES BETWEEN VILLAGE CENTER AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NEW WALNUT AND 605 ROUNDABOUT, WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD LOOK LIKE NORTH OF 161. SO WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TONIGHT WITH YOU GUYS TALKING A LOT ABOUT KITZMILLER ATHLETIC CAMPUS, AND THEN AS WELL AS SOME THE BEAR ANNOUNCEMENT AND SOME IMPLICATIONS THAT HAS ON FUTURE STRATEGIC PLAN AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES HERE IN THE COMING MONTHS. CHELSEA, DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH US? ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. SO AS CHRIS MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF LONG RANGE PLANNING THIS YEAR. AND SOME OF OUR COMPLETED PROJECTS INCLUDE THE STATE ROUTE 605 STREETSCAPE CONCEPT DESIGN PLAN, A MILLER TO HAMLET STREETSCAPE CONCEPT DESIGN PLAN, A CEDARBROOK NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC OUTREACH, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY THIS EVENING. AND THEN THE KITZMILLER WETLAND NATURE PARK CONCEPT DESIGN AND THE VILLAGE
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CENTER PARKING PROJECT. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'VE COMPLETED. AND IF YOU WANT TO SCAN THE QR CODE THAT DOES TAKE YOU TO THE WEBSITE, AND YOU CAN LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THOSE. THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE KITZMILLER WETLAND PARK. WE DID KICK OFF THIS PLANNING PROCESS WITH A COUPLE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECES, AND THE FIRST ONE WAS A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE HELD IN MAY, AND WE HAD 63 PEOPLE ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE. AND I THINK MAYBE A COUPLE OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN THERE. WE HAD AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT WAS ALSO CONDUCTED IN MAY, AND WE HAD 159 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THAT SURVEY. AND SO FAR, WITH ALL OF THE ONLINE SURVEYS WE'VE EVER DONE FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THAT WAS OUR LARGEST TURNOUT. WE DID REACH OUT TO CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT SHOULD BE IN THE PARK PLAN, AND THE LAST PIECE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS A FOCUS GROUP MEETING WITH OUR SENIOR CONNECTIONS GROUP. WE INVITED ALL OF THEM TO ATTEND, AND WE DID HAVE 13 MEMBERS ATTEND THAT MEETING IN AUGUST. SO ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECES WAS INTO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO INTO THE KITZMILLER POWERPOINT HERE.OKAY. SO THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE TODAY.
AND THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT EXACTLY IS ON THE SITE. THERE ARE SOME INVASIVE AREAS AND THERE ARE SOME WHITE PINE. THERE IS A SECTION OF MATURING HARDWOOD FOREST. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF INVASIVE AREAS. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE WETLAND. IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, WE ALSO HAD SOME KEY CONSIDERATIONS WHEN DESIGNING FOR THE PARK. AND THE FIRST ONE IS THE HEALTH OF THE SITE. HISTORICALLY, BACK TO 1995, THIS WAS MORE OF A FARMLAND. AND THEN FAST FORWARD TO 2002, YOU CAN SEE WHEN THE WETLAND WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED, AND THAT WAS IN PART OF DUE TO DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ABERCROMBIE. SO WHEN MK, S K AND MHMT DID A STUDY OF THE SITE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE THE HEALTH AND THE CONDITION OF THE SITE, UNFORTUNATELY WE ALL KIND OF THOUGHT MAYBE THE HEALTH OF THE SITE WAS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS, AND THEY GAVE IT A GRADE D AND POOR CONDITION. SO THAT THE GRADE D AND THE HEALTH OF THE SITE, COUPLED WITH THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY STRONGLY FAVORING A PASSIVE PROGRAMING AND NATURAL SPACE PARK IN TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE HEALTHY TREE STAND AS POSSIBLE. SO WHEN WE THINK OF PASSIVE PLACEMAKING, WE THINK OF TAYLOR FARM, AND WE WANTED TO TRY TO INCORPORATE A LOT OF THE PRESERVATION OF THE SITE. BUT HOW DO WE MAKE IT DIFFERENT THAN TAYLOR FARM? SO IT'S NOT JUST TAYLOR FARM 2.0 AND MAKE IT ITS OWN DESTINATION THAT PEOPLE WANT TO VISIT. THESE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT CAME UP WITH AFTER WE RECEIVED THE
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FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH. AND THIS SHEET IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE TOOK TO CITY COUNCIL AND OUR SENIOR CONNECTIONS GROUP, AND HAD THEM WEIGH IN ON WHAT OPTIONS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THE PARK. THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA. IT'S HARD TO READ ON THE SCREEN, BUT BASICALLY WE HAD THEM RANK THE OPTIONS THAT THEY LIKED FROM PREFERABLE TO NOT PREFERABLE. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE RANKING THAT CAME OUT IN THOSE EXERCISES. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PORCH SWINGS WAS THE MOST POPULAR ITEM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE POETRY WALK, I THINK WAS THE LEAST FAVORITE ITEM. BUT EVERYTHING IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED. SO KEEPING ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN MIND WITH THE ECOLOGY AND THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK, WE STARTED WORKING WITH MK SK AND COMING UP WITH A CONCEPT DESIGN. AND INITIALLY THEY WERE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE GET ALL OF THESE POSSIBLE AMENITIES ON THIS ONE SITE? AND THERE WAS A CONCEPT OF HAVING IT MEANDER OR MAYBE FLOWING MORE LIKE THAN ACCESS.BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE CHOSE WAS KIND OF A ROOM DESIGN AND BREAKING THIS SITE UP INTO DIFFERENT ROOMS AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, ALL ON ONE SITE. AND IN THOSE ROOMS, THEY ARE KIND OF BROKEN UP INTO WHAT WE'RE CALLING ECO ROOMS. SO WE HAVE THE NATIVE WETLAND ON ONE SIDE REPRESENTED BY THE BLUE, AND THEN MORE OF THE MEADOW WETLAND REPRESENTED BY THE GREEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. AND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE SITE, WE ARE TRYING TO THINK OF THE FRONT PORCH, BACK PORCH. AND OF COURSE, THE FRONT PORCH IS FACING THE ROAD. AND SO ONE FRONT PORCH WOULD BE ON KITZMILLER, AND THE SECOND FRONT PORCH WOULD BE ON JOHNSTOWN ROAD. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOES INCLUDE THE EXISTING BUS GARAGE SITE. AND THAT IS ALL IN THE PROCESS OF BEING INCORPORATED INTO THIS PLAN AS WELL. THOSE TWO SITES ALONG JOHNSTOWN ROAD WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PARK.
EXCEPT FOR THE ONE LITTLE TOOTH THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO FRONT PORCH SITES ALONG JOHNSTOWN ROAD. THIS IS A LIST OF ALL OF THE AMENITIES ON THIS SITE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DO KIND OF FLOW WITHIN THE DIFFERENT ROOMS. THEY INCLUDE A READING GROVE, A BOCCE COURT, HORSESHOE. A PLAY NODE. THIS WILL INCLUDE RESTROOMS AND STORAGE SPACE, DISC GOLF, A SHAA FOREST PAVILION, A MUSIC ROOM, WATER ACCESS, BIRD WATCHING TOWER SWING NODE, PLENTY OF BOARDWALKS, AND THERE WILL BE PARKING ALONG BOTH FRONT PORCH DESTINATIONS ALONG BOTH ROADS AND PLENTY OF WALKING PATHS, WHICH ACTUALLY WOULD BE TWO MILES IN TOTAL. THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATION FROM A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE INCORPORATING ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS PARKING ON KITZMILLER, AND THERE WOULD BE PARKING ON JOHNSTOWN ROAD AND. THE NATURAL WETLANDS THAT ARE THERE WOULD REMAIN AS IS. THIS KIND OF GIVES A PARKING LOT ON KITZMILLER AND SOME OF THOSE EXPERIENCES TO.
INTERACT WITH THE WATER. THIS IS A CLOSE UP VIEW OF ONE OF THOSE WATER ACCESS SITES. THIS IS THE BOOK SHARE CONCEPT. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE SWINGS IN THIS RENDERING. ANOTHER
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RENDERING OF THE PORCH SWINGS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE LOTUS POND. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH TAYLOR FARM, WE DO HAVE A GATHERING SPACE AMONGST THE BOARDWALKS OUT THERE. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR. IT WOULD JUST NOT HAVE THE COVERED SHELTER. IN THIS VIEW, YOU CAN SEE THE BIRD WATCHING TOWER. IS A CLOSE UP OF THAT CONCEPT DESIGN. ANOTHER VIEW FROM THE TOWER, AND PERHAPS MORE SWINGS NEAR THE TOWER ON THE BOARDWALK. AND HOPEFULLY SOME WAYS TO INTERACT WITH THE TREES THAT ARE ON SITE FOR THE FOREST PAVILION. AND SOMETHING THAT WAS POPULAR THAT WE HEARD A LOT FROM THE PUBLIC WAS THE INTEREST IN SOME HAMMOCKS JUST TO BE ABLE TO RELAX IN THE FOREST AREA. AND MORE BOARDWALKS AND SIDEWALKS, AND THEN A WAY TO INCORPORATE SOME ART THAT WOULD BE MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WOULD LOOK ONE WAY IN THE SPRING AND THEN ANOTHER WAY IN THE SUMMER. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE CONCEPT DESIGN. AND THE THIRD KEY CONSIDERATION IS LEISURE TRAIL AND SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS. THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO MOVING FORWARD, WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED TO CITY COUNCIL IS A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS STUDY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COMPLETE NEXT YEAR. THAT WOULD BE A FOLLOW UP TO THIS PARK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE REALLY IS NO WAY TO GET TO THIS SITE OTHER THAN BY CAR.AND A LOT OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC WAS THE INTEREST IN BEING ABLE TO WALK AND BIKE TO THIS SITE. AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE CONCEPT DESIGN. AND IT IS 38.4 ACRES OF LAND. GREAT.
THANKS, CHELSEA. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THANKS AGAIN FOR SEARCHING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ATHLETIC CAMPUS. REAL QUICK. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN SIMILAR TO THE KITZMILLER PROCESS, BUT THIS IS THE OLD DISCOVERY SITE. I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS AT LEAST SOMEWHAT ABOUT THIS IN RECENT PAST, BUT THE THE CITY HAS AGREED TO LEASE A PORTION OF THE SITE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE FIRST PHASE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY HERE WITH BALL FIELDS. SO THIS WOULD BE OUR SOFTBALL FIELDS AND BASEBALL FIELDS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. THERE'S AN EXISTING SPINE ROAD HERE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE SITE THAT SEPARATES WHAT WAS THE OLD CALL CENTER AND THE EXISTING DISCOVERED DATA CENTER HERE THAT WILL REMAIN. A NEW ROADWAY WILL BE BUILT THROUGH THE SITE BETWEEN THESE TWO AREAS. A LOT OF WHAT'S SHOWN NORTH OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, IS REALLY STILL L LL LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, IS THAT FOOTBALL FIELD. IS THAT NOT A FOOTBALL FIELD FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS STUDYING IT AS WELL. BUT THE THE KEY PORTION OF THIS THAT WE THE DIRECTION WE HAD FROM COUNCIL WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS PROVIDING A LOT OF KEY COMMUNITY AMENITIES, AS WELL AS SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE PRESENTED QUITE A FEW ROBUST, VERY ACTIVE OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL LAST MONTH DURING THE CAPITAL WORKSHOP. AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS HERE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS ON WHAT TO ADVANCE FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. THE BALL FIELDS WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IMMINENTLY RIGHT HERE WITH IT MIGHT EVEN START BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WE HOPE TO BE ON THE SITE TOGETHER AND AT LEAST GET SOME PUBLIC AMENITIES OPEN. BY THE TIME THE BALL FIELDS OPEN IN EARLY 2028. HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT THESE SPACES COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING TREES IN THE SITE AND A LOT OF EXISTING MOUNTAIN SITE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ALTER. . . . . .
TO GET TREES TO GROW THAT WELL THESE DAYS, SO WE WANT TO LEAVE THOSE ALONE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
BUT AT THOSE EDGES, YOU KNOW, AT 605 AND CENTRAL COLLEGE AND AT NEW ALBANY ROAD EAST AND CENTRAL COLLEGE, WE REALLY WANT TO OPEN THE SITE UP A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY CAN COME INTO THE PARK AND EXPERIENCE IT AND STAY. SO THERE WILL BE A COUPLE OF BREAKS IN THOSE MOUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THAT WHICH ARE SHOWN HERE. THERE'S A REALLY NICE RETENTION BASIN THAT EXISTS ON THE SITE. WE HOPE TO REPURPOSE THAT AND INSTALL A
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BOARDWALK AROUND IT. SO YOU MONETIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THIS SHOWS, I THINK THIS IS THE TICKETING OFFICE RIGHT HERE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. SORRY, I THINK SO, YEAH, YEAH. HERE'S SOME MORE, HERE'S SOME MORE IMAGES OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS IS A MORE TYPICAL DESTINATION PLAYGROUND BEING PROVIDED HERE AS AN OPTION. A SECRET GARDEN WOULD BE A COOL NEW MENU THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY.AND THIS IS ANOTHER LOOK AT THE BALL FIELDS ON EITHER SIDE. THIS IS THE MAIN PROMENADE THAT WOULD CONNECT THE HAMLET SITE TO THE SITE HERE. SO WE HAVE ON THE. PASS, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU CAN GO BACK UP. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT. SO I THINK KIND OF NEXT STEPS COUNCIL IS GOING TO CONSIDER INCLUDING BOTH THESE AND THEIR BUDGET NEXT MONTH IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF BOTH OF THEM. SO IT WILL BE UP TO COUNCIL WITH HOW THAT PHASING LOOKS LIKE. IT'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION TO DO IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO WE WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO COMMUNITY AS WELL. BUT. MORE TO COME ON BOTH OF THOSE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? YES. THE STADIUM, THE SECOND STADIUM. OR IS THE OLD ONE BEING TORN DOWN FOR OTHER PURPOSE? I'M NOT SURE WE KNOW JUST YET. IT'S CURRENTLY JUST A PLACEHOLDER. IT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT'S THAT'S BEEN BEEN THROWN OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. OKAY. THE KITZMILLER WETLAND. HOW'S THE HEALTH OF THAT WATER? BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT KIDS ARE GOING TO BE INTERACTING WITH WATER. AND YEAH, SO WE WE ACTUALLY, I THINK CHELSEA MENTIONED THIS IN OUR PRESENTATION, BUT WE ACTUALLY SPENT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY IN ADDITION TO JUST DOING THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF THOSE WETLANDS. THEY WERE IN REALLY, REALLY BAD SHAPE. THERE WERE A FAMILY OF BEAVERS THAT HAD MADE A KINGDOM AND ACTUALLY DEGRADED THE HEALTH OF WETLANDS PRETTY BADLY, SO WE HAD TO REHOME THEM TO SOMEWHERE BETTER, A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM TO DO ALL OF THEIR BEAVER THINGS. BUT WE ARE WORKING AS PART OF THAT DESIGN. WE ARE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WATER IS SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE TOUCHING AND ETC. AND I'M CURIOUS WHERE THE LOTUS PARK IDEA. I HAVE NEVER SEEN LOTUS BLOOM IN OHIO, SO. DID SOME RESEARCH ON DIFFERENT NATIVE PONDS AND IT IS NATIVE TO OHIO AND THERE ARE APPARENTLY SOME THAT ARE THRIVING HERE. SO THAT'S AMAZING. YEAH. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK THEY DO A GOOD.
GOOD PARK. I THINK THEY BLOOM AT GOODALE PARK. OH THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS.
THANK YOU. OKAY. I CAN DO IT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS WE ALSO CHELSEA ALSO HAD ANOTHER EFFORT.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE CEDARBROOK NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THE YEARS ABOUT STREET CONNECTIVITY AND ALSO STREET SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS. BEING DESIRED OR NOT DESIRED, AS WELL AS DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME THIS THIS YEAR.
CHELSEA DID THE REST OF OUR TEAM, DID A REALLY GREAT JOB ENGAGING WITH US RESIDENTS TO GET AN IDEA OF. REALLY SOME FINALITY AROUND. ARE THERE IMPROVEMENTS DESIRED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? MOVE THAT BOARD CLOSER TO THE. OH YEAH. YEAH.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WANT TO ADD THIS TO YOUR LIST OF JOB DUTIES AND CITY ATTORNEY THREE YEARS OF LAW SCHOOL. OTHER DUTIES AS ASSIGNED. OTHER DUTIES AS ASSIGNED. SO WE, I, WE CAN SAFELY SAY WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT IN CEDARBROOK FOR SURE. DURING THIS PROCESS, WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE AND ONLINE SURVEYS. AND I THINK THERE'S HOW MANY HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 70 ISH. SO WE DEFINITELY HEARD BETWEEN THE SURVEY AND THE OPEN HOUSE, WE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. AT LEAST IF THEY ALL WEREN'T THERE, THEY CERTAINLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME. VERY PACKED HOUSE, OPEN HOUSE, WHICH IS GREAT.
THIS IS A FUN. I TOLD EVERYBODY THIS YEAR, WE HAVE TO TAKE PICTURES OF ALL THESE THINGS WITH YOU SO I CAN THROW THESE IN HERE. BUT THIS IS OUR OPEN HOUSE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IF YOU GO TO THIS IS A PRETTY PACKED ROOM FOR A PLAN THAT'S SO NARROWLY NARROW IN SCOPE, WHICH IS GREAT. SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM FOLKS DURING OUR FIRST ROUND OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK WAS, DO YOU WANT TO SEE IMPROVEMENTS IN? ABOUT 60% OF THEM SAID, YES, WE WANT TO SEE
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IMPROVEMENTS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WERE STILL SPLIT ON WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL LOOK LIKE, WHICH WASN'T A VERY DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR US. WE BROUGHT THEM BACK IN FOR THE OPEN HOUSE IN LATE AUGUST TO PRESENT THEM WITH ACTUAL CONCEPTS OF, THIS IS WHAT THE STREET WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE. LEISURE TRAIL, SIDEWALK OR SIDEWALK TREE LINE, NO TREE LINE. SO WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF NARROW THEIR NARROW THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE GETTING. SO WE PRESENTED STILL WHERE WE KIND OF LANDEDND WAS ABOUT 50%. FOLKS JUST WANTED THEIR STREETS REPAVED, AND ABOUT 50% OF FOLKS WANTED TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. AND EVEN TWO FOLKS THAT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON WHAT'S PRESENTED. SO WE STILL KIND OF LANDED WHERE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN ALL THESE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF AND HALF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS SOMETHING. AND SO, BUT ONE THING THAT WE DID A FEW THINGS THAT WE DID HEAR FROM THE, FROM FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY HAVE REALLY LARGE FLOOD STORM EVENTS. THERE'S A ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR, WE HAD A REALLY WET SUMMER, REALLY, REALLY SIGNIFICANT FLOODING HAPPENS ALONG THE STREETS AND IN THE DITCHES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.SO WE ARE GOING. NEXT YEAR, WE ARE PROPOSING TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO STUDY DRAINAGE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, TO SEE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. THERE WAS ALSO, OUT OF ALL THE FEEDBACK WE GOT, THERE WAS THE MAIN SPINE OF THE CEDARBROOK DRIVE. HERE. ALL OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WE ASKED ABOUT, DO YOU WANT IMPROVEMENTS OR NOT? ALL OF THEM SAID THEY WANTED SOME SORT OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. IT'S SIDE STREETS WHERE EVERYTHING GOT FRACTURED OFF. SO THAT'S PART OF THAT STUDY. WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT JUST ADDING PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES THROUGH THIS MAIN SPINE ROAD, WHICH WORKS IN A LOT OF WAYS. IT GETS PEOPLE FROM THE EXISTING FACILITIES ON CENTRAL COLLEGE ROAD. IT ALSO GIVES THE CITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A CONNECTION DOWN TO WALTON PARKWAY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS VERY SIGNIFICANTLY OR A LOT OF WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM RESIDENTS OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AT LEAST. WE ARE WORKING WITH INFINITE CHURCH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE OLD NOAH'S EVENT CENTER HERE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING A FAIRLY LARGE. PLANNING ON BUILDING A FAIRLY LARGE CHURCH HERE ON THIS SITE, WHICH WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, I THINK.
RIGHT, KYLIE? BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON GETTING THAT TRAIL CONNECTION MADE FROMH THEIR SITE DOWN THE PARKWAY. SO MORE TO COME ON THAT. BUT THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SEVEN ON THIS. ANY QUESTIONS ON CEDARBROOK? WE'RE ALMOST DONE, I PROMISE. SIERRA. DO YOU. YEAH, SURE. SO WE'VE BEEN BUSY WITH LONG RANGE PLANNING. WE ALSO HAVE BEEN BUSY WITH SHORT RANGE PLANNING. SO THIS IS JUST A BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS YEAR END REVIEW. SO WE HAVE MANAGED 62 CASES ACROSS OUR BOARDS. WE'VE HAD 29 MEETINGS WHICH IS NEARLY 30 HOURS OF REVIEW. 763 ZONING PERMITS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND WE HAVE ANSWERED 432 PUBLIC INQUIRIES. THE VOLUME OF BOARD PRESENTATIONS HAS STAYED CONSISTENTLY HIGH LEVEL. AND OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THE YEAR, SO I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE. AND THEN ALONGSIDE ALL OF THIS, WE HAVE PERMITTED OVER 78 NEW HOMES AND WE HAVE 600 IN THE PIPELINE. SO I IMAGINE NEXT YEAR ISR THAN THIS YEAR. BUSY, BUSY. SIERRA. AND JUST, JUST WE WENT THROUGH KIND OF AN EVOLUTION IN THE PLANNING DIVISION OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT REALLY FULLY MATURED. I THINK THIS YEAR, I WOULD SAY. BUT SO CHELSEA IS THE LEAD PLANNER FOR ALL OF OUR LONG RANGE PROJECTS IN OUR DIVISION. AND SIERRA IS THE PLANNER FOR ALL BOARD AND COMMISSION RELATED. WE'VE SEEN HER HERE MANY, MANY TIMES. AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT YEAR, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE ON SOME ADDITIONAL DIFFERENT WORK, LIKE PLANNING A LOT OF THESE PARKS AND DOING THAT WITH WITH OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT, OUR ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT. SO YOU STILL SEE ME AROUND, BUT WOULD THIS BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT? SO ALL THESE STUDENTS IN THE BUSINESS PARK, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE KIND OF WRAPPING UP, BUT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON INSIDE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF WORK THAT GETS CREATED AFTER CASES AND REZONINGS AND FINAL PLANS. ALL THE CASES THAT YOU HEAR LEAVE THIS ROOM. SO RIGHT NOW IN NEW ALBANY, THESE ARE THIS IS THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN EACH SECTOR OF OUR BUSINESS PARK. IT PROBABLY GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT THAT'S A LOT. WE ESTIMATE THAT THERE'S ABOUT 27,000 CONSTRUCTION WORKERS THAT ENTER NEW ALBANY EVERY SINGLE DAY. THIS TRANSLATES TO A MULTITUDE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED A LOT
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ABOUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS SIGNIFICANT. YOU KNOW, NEW THINGS TO FIGURE OUT, NEW PROCESSES, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CITY IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT, BUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS. A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY EVERY SINGLE DAY.AND OTHER CITIES ARE COMING TO LEARN. WE ACTUALLY, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS I THINK THEY WERE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE WITH THESE NUMBERS, BUT THEY. UP UNTIL OCTOBER, SUMMERTIME, THEY WERE MEETING WITH DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES FROM ALL OVER OHIO AND OUTSIDE OF THE STATE. WERE COMING TO NEW ALBANY TO DO BUSINESS PARK TOURS. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN ON THOSE TO LEARN ABOUT HOW NEW ALBANY HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL WITH LANDSCAPING, TREATMENTS, BERMING TREATMENTS, AND JUST ATTRACTING THIS LEVEL OF INVESTMENT INTO OUR COMMUNITY. SO MUCH SO THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO STOP PROVIDING THESE TOURS BECAUSE IT WAS BECOMING AN EVERY DAY DRESS. QUITE LITERALLY. THEY'RE LIKE, WE'D LOVE TO KEEP DOING THIS, BUT WE WE JUST CAN'T. IT WAS AN EVERY DAY. AND ACTUALLY NOT EVEN JUST PEOPLE IN OHIO STATE ARE PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES COMING HERE TO LEARN ABOUT THE BUSINESS, WHICH IS GREAT, WHICH IS GREAT. SO WHAT'S NEXT? SO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL HEARD ABOUT THE THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WAS MADE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THEY DID ANNOUNCE A $2.2 BILLION INVESTMENT IN THE BUSINESS PARKAY AT ABBOTT ROAD. ACTUALLY THE SITE HERE IN JUST A SECOND. BUT THIS EQUATES TO ABOUT 600 JOBS. AND THIS IS JUST PHASE ONE OF THAT PROJECT. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, A COUPLE WEEKS, AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THIS FOR 5 OR 6 MORE TIMES WITH THE INVESTMENT ON THE SITE, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. SO THERE THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LIMITS OF THEIR OF THEIR, THEIR PROPERTIES. SO THIS IS AMGEN HERE. THIS IS BEACH ROAD. THIS IS THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE FACILITY. THIS IS THE MITA CAMPUS JUST OUTSIDE THE SCREEN HERE. THIS IS BABBITT ROAD. SO MOST OF THE SITE HERE THAT THEY PLAN ON DOING CONSTRUCTION ON IS ALREADY ZONED. IT'S ALREADY THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IT'S GOOD TO GO SHOVEL READY. YOU CAN EVEN SEE ON THAT VIDEO THAT I SHOWED YOU A FEW MINUTES AGO.
THERE'S ALREADY WORK THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SITE JUST TO GET THE SITE READY TO BE SWITCHED OVER. THERE. THEY ARE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. THEY ARE LOOKING AT EXPANSION GROUND HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT ROAD. ALL THESE PROPERTIES ARE EITHER UNDER CONTROL BY THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY OR IMMINENTLY UNDER CONTROL OF ALBANY COMPANY TO BE SOLD TO THEIR. SO NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU ALL WITH AN UPDATE TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A RELOCATION OF BABBITT ROAD THROUGH THIS AREA HERE AND KEEPING, YOU KNOW, REALLY LETTING THAT ROAD SERVE AS AN EDGE FOR WHAT EMPLOYMENT CENTER USES COULD LOOK LIKE ON THAT NORTH NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TREATING THIS RESIDENTIAL EDGE APPROPRIATELY, BOTH IN TERMS OF SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPING. SO I CAN CONFIDENTLY TELL YOU THAT THIS UPDATES TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN WILL RELATIVELY NARROW, CONSIDERING OTHER EFFORTS THAT WE'VE DONE. THIS WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF STANDARDS THAT WE'VE EVER PUT INTO A STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE THAT INCLUDES INTEL, JUST TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA ABOUT NOISE BEEFING UP THESE MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPE SETBACKS HERE. THIS REPRESENTS SOME NUMBERS THAT WILL GO BEHIND THIS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I DID WANT TO SHOW YOU GUYS ALL THAT TONIGHT. BUT THIS LANDSCAPE AND SETBACK TREATMENT IS MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED AROUND THE INTEL SITE. SO THE. BIGGEST OR THE BEST LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WE'VE EVER HAD. SO WE DON'T TYPICALLY INCLUDE THESE TYPES OF DETAILS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. WE'VE TAKEN EXTRA STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE HERE. THIS NEW VERSION OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN WILL PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS. THE ZONING THAT WILL FOLLOW WILL PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS. THEY WILL REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO DO NOISE STUDIES TO MAKE SURE THAT MEASURED NOISE, PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND POST-DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT HAVING A AN EXPONENTIAL IMPACT ON FOLKS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO AGAIN, WE'RE MORE DETAILS TO COME, BUT WE ARE TAKING, HEARD OVER THE LAST YEAR, I WOULD SAY, AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS ADDRESSING ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD. THANK YOU. ON THE NOISE STANDARD. THAT'S I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE BEEN LONG WISHING THAT OUR NOISE ORDINANCE HAD ACTUAL NUMBERS LIKE COLUMBUS HAS. YES. YEAH.
YEP. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT ON WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT A DECIBEL LIMIT? IS IT JUST MEASURING EXISTING NOISE AND NOISE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT EXCEEDING THAT? WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE DETAILS, BUT, BUT SEE YOU IN ONE PRESENTATION. WE'LL REVISIT THIS IN ONE
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PRESENTATION. YES, LATER TONIGHT. GO AHEAD. AND SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS LANDSCAPING SETBACK STANDARDS HAVE EXISTED IN NEW ALBANY. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE ADDED ON AFTER SITES HAVE BEEN UPDATED, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AFTER THINGS HAVE BEEN ZONED, SOMETIMES EVEN YEARS AFTER THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL COME BACK AND ESTABLISH THESE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS THAT WE THEN USE WHEN WE GET PERMITS TO MAKE PEOPLE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, MAKE PEOPLE INSTALL THESE FIRMS AND LANDSCAPING. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER DONE IT TOGETHER ON THE EARLY ONSET, WHICH IS GOOD. ONE OF THESE IS THE INTEL. THESE WE'VE DEVELOPED VERY SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THE INTEL SITE, AS I'M SURE ALL OF YOU REMEMBER. SO THAT'S ALL KIND OF WHAT'S TO COME OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. WE'LL HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AT YOUR NORMAL MEETING IN NOVEMBER. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE ZONING TEXT TO FOLLOW, THE ZONING CHANGE TO FOLLOW FOR THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE WEST SIDE OF THAT ROAD. SORRY. SO THAT'S EVERYTHING HERE THAT WILL FOLLOW IN EARLY DECEMBER. SOME OF THE STRATEGY, THE CITY WILL BE A CO-APPLICANT ON THAT APPLICATION. SOME OF THE STRATEGY, JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS A HEADS UP, IS WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THE EXISTING RELATED STANDARDS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR THIS ZONING TEXT, CARRYING THOSE THAT WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH, AND THEN ENHANCING THOSE IN ALL THE WAYS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. THAT'S THAT'S THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. SO I'VE SAID BEFORE, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING WOODS EFFECTIVELY IN? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DEPTH ON THAT BERM TO EFFECTIVELY SAY OPACITY? WELL, NINE MONTHS OF THE YEAR, IT'S 100% BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A FOREST. THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE'RE DOING. GOOD. THAT'S AND AND, AND TOM UNFORTUNATELY LEFT BEFORE HE GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK. BUT WE ARE WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE THE BUSINESS PARK ASSOCIATION. SO NOT ONLY LOOK AT THIS SITE HERE, BUT ACTUALLY GO THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER EXISTING SITES IN ALBANY AND APPLY THOSE SAME STANDARDS TO META TO, TO EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE BUSINESS PARK, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BUSINESS PARK ASSOCIATION'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT ALL WORKS. BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THOSE STANDARDS ARE APPLIED AND SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPE. BUT TO YOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYT ABOUT THE BERM ITSELF, BUT WITH MEETING WITH BAYER BAYER OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THEY FULLY INTEND ON PRESERVING AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. THEY DON'T WANT TO DESTROY ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REMOVED. FOR THEIR FOR THEIR BUSINESS. SO YEAH, I'LL OFFER THE SUGGESTION ONE MORE TIME IS THAT FOR THESE LARGE SETBACKS THAT WE MAY OFFER AS A LANDSCAPING, RATHER THAN PUTTING A BERM IN THERE SAYING, ALL RIGHT, OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS, YOU'LL PLANT TREES GOING NORTH TO SOUTH. CORRECT.AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OAK, ASH, MAPLE, BEECH, ALL THE NORTH AMERICAN, THE OHIO NATIVE STUFF.
AND EVENTUALLY YOU GET ENOUGH TREES IN THERE THAT NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. YEAH, THAT'S THE GOAL. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S EXISTING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I'LL PASS IT OVER TO SIERRA TO GO THROUGH THE CODE CHANGE REALLY QUICK. CHELSEA DID ALLUDE TO IT, BUT PART OF THE KITZMILLER WETLAND PARK DESIGN DOES CONTEMPLATE OR PIECES OF MOTION TO RELOCATE THE SCHOOL BUS GARAGE OUT TO THE BUSINESS PARK. SO THIS IS REALLY RELATED TO THAT PARK PROJECT, WHICH IS.
THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. SO STAFF IS REQUESTING TO ADD PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONAL FLEET FACILITIES AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL EMPLOYMENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
THIS USE WOULD ONLY PERMIT PARKING AND STORAGE OF BUSSES, MAINTENANCE VEHICLES AND ANY ASSOCIATED BUILDINGS THAT PROVIDE SERVICES DIRECTLY SERVING A PUBLIC OR INSTITUTIONAL USE. THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN FULL WAS PROVIDED IN THE MEMO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
THIS INCLUDES THE CHARACTERISTICS, THE LOCATION, THE ELIGIBILITY, THE SETBACKS, AND THE LANDSCAPING. SO THE REASONING FOR THIS IS THAT OUR CITY STRATEGIC PLAN DOES NOT ESTABLISH A DEFINED LAND USE CATEGORY FOR GOVERNMENTAL OR PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL USES, NOR DOES IT PROVIDE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO GUIDE THE LOCATION OF SUCH FACILITIES. ADDING THIS AS A PERMITTED USE WOULD ADDRESS A GAP IN OUR CURRENT CODE. FLEET FACILITIES TYPICALLY REQUIRE CHARACTERISTICS CONSISTENT WITH INDUSTRIAL AND EMPLOYMENT ORIENTED DISTRICTS, SUCH AS HAVING OUTDOOR STORAGE, MAINTENANCE BAYS, ETC. AND THE PROPOSED STANDARDS PROVIDE APPROPRIATE SAFEGUARDS SUCH AS LIMITING USE OF VEHICLES SERVING A PUBLIC OR INSTITUTIONAL USE, ESTABLISHING A MAXIMUM LOT SIZE OF 25 ACRES, APPLYING APPLICABLE TRUCK FLEET LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND PROHIBITS USES SUCH AS
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JUNKYARDS, IMPOUNDS AND NON-ROUTINE REPAIR ACTIVITIES. AND JUST TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BUS GARAGE COMES IN, THIS STILL WILL HAVE TO GO TO ARB, ARB REVIEWS, ANY PUBLIC OR INSTITUTIONAL USE. SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN THAT ARB LOOKS AT.AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T CATCH IT. WHEN LOOKING THROUGH HERE, IS CHARGING EXPLICITLY ALLOWED IN THE TEXT? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? IS ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING EXPLICITLY ALLOWED? WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT. DOES ANYWHERE IN OUR CODE HAVE THAT? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST ALLOWED. OKAY, I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T MIND IF THAT WAS EXPLICITLY IN THE CODE SUCH THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT, ASSUMING, OF COURSE, THAT THIS PASSES DOESN'T HAVE A LEGAL PROBLEM ELSEWHERE. SCHOOL BUSSES THAT BELCH DIESEL FUMES THAT KIDS FACE LEVEL JUST BUGGED ME. BUT. OKAY. SO SO CURRENTLY WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT. THIS PART OR THE WHOLE OF. 1153 CORRECT? YES. OKAY. IN 1153, I CAUGHT SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO ADD ON THE LAST PAGE. OFFSITE IMPACTS. SO 1153.07 LITTLE A NOISE. IT SAYS BEST FREQUENCY OR SHRILLNESS. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BEAT FREQUENCY BEAT, WHICH IS A TECHNICAL TERM FOR. WE HAVE TWO NOISE SOURCES THAT HAVE SIMILAR FREQUENCY. AND WHILE WE'RE ENTERING IT AND GOING TO HAVE THEM MOVE ON. AND ALSO. DO WE HAVE ANY GUIDANCE ON THE LEGAL STANDARD FOR PARAGRAPH A ABOUT NO SOUND SHALL BE OBJECTIONABLE DUE TO BLAH BLAH BLAH. OH. WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE ELSEWHERE RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. OKAY. OH, I ALSO JUST SAID WE ALSO HAVE HIRED A OH MY GOSH, THE ENGINEERING NAME, THE SOUND ENGINEERS. OKAY, THERE'S A FANCY WORD FOR IT. WE'VE HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM OUT OF PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA, THAT'S COMING IN ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS, FALSTAFF EQUIPMENT THROUGHOUT THE BUSINESS PARK TO HELP GUIDE US ON WHAT SOME CHANGES CAN BECIFIE SECTION. SO WHETHER IT'S NUMBER OF DECIBELS, MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WE WILL GET THERE, BUT WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS. WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT CONSULTANT.
SURE. AS AN ENGINEER, I'M FOND OF NUMBERS WITH UNITS. YES. YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFICULTY WE'LL WORK IT THROUGH IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEAN AND HOW IT APPLIES. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT HAS BEEN IN THE CODE, BUT IT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE EVALUATING BASED UPON SOME REAL LIFE SCENARIOS. YEAH. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST. AND THE GIANT FENCE, THE SOUND FENCE BY THE CHICKEN JETS ON MORSE ROAD IS. CASE IN POINT THAT. LET'S GET THIS RIGHT OR LET'S MAKE IT EASY, EASY AND PARTICULAR FOR RESIDENTS SO THAT RESIDENTS SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT CALIBRATED, BUT HERE'S MY PHONE AND IT SAYS THIS MINI DV, OKAY, I NEED TO GET A CALIBRATED METER. AND, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HIRED THIS CONSULTANT, I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE THAT EASY TO JUST GO OUT THERE. AND IT'S NOT IT'S A WHOLE THING WITH VERY EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY RENT AND BRING OUT THERE AND LEAVE THAT FOR 48 HOURS. ONE THING I WILL SAY TO YOU ABOUT THOSE WALLS THAT YOU MENTIONED, I KNOW YOU BROUGHT THIS UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, NEAL, BUT JUST SO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND META, GOOGLE SPECIFICALLY ALSO TAKES US VERY SERIOUSLY. THE, THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE AROUND THEIR SITE TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS. THEY SPENT OVER $30 MILLION THIS YEAR TO MITIGATE THESE NOISE IMPACTS, BUYING BRAND NEW FANS, PUTTING THESE WALLS UP. THEY MIGHT BE TEMPORARY. THEY'LL BE PERMANENT ONES THAT ARE PLACED AT LEAST THE ONES THAT PEOPLE CITE TO HELP MITIGATE THESE ISSUES. SO THEY ALSO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY AS WELL. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, NEIL, YES, I HAVE A COUPLE. IS IS THERE A DEFINITION OF PUBLIC OR INSTITUTIONAL USE? I COULDN'T FIND IT IN THE CODE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT SPECIFIED. HOLD ON. KYLIE HAS THE CODE UP. I FOUND. I FOUND WHAT APPEARS TO BE SOME SORT OF DEFINITION OF INSTITUTIONAL, BUT I DIDN'T FIND ONE FOR PUBLIC. BUT GO AHEAD. I'M JUST. I DID ADD IN THE PROPOSED TEXT UNDER THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT A PUBLIC OR INSTITUTIONAL USE MEANS A PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT
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FACILITY, PUBLIC AGENCY FACILITY, OR ANOTHER TAX EXEMPT GOVERNMENT OR INSTITUTIONAL USE.IT STRUCK ME THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT ALLOWS A CERTAIN CATEGORY OF USES THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR IT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT IT STRUCK ME THAT THAT THE THE CAR FLEET AND TRUCK FLEET PARKING, THAT'S CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH MEANS IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE ALLOWED, IT HAS TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE HAVE TO ANALYZE IT PURSUANT TO THE STANDARDS THAT BEN'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADHERE TO. BUT WHEN WE. BUT THIS CODE PROVISION IS GOING TO ALLOW SIMILAR PARKING USES, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER YOU KNOW, LINGER. SO I JUST, I WAS I JUST WAS WONDERING, WHY ARE WE CREATING A SITUATION WHERE BY MAKING FLEET PARKING A CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS TO BE ADJACENT TO THE THE OTHER USE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW BASICALLY FLEET PARKING FOR OTHER TYPES OF USES ANYWHERE WHERE THE ZONING ALLOWS WITH NO REAL PUBLIC INPUT. BECAUSE IF IT'S PERMITTED, IT'S PERMITTED. RIGHT. I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T THINK I THINK THEY CAN COME IN AND ASK FOR IT. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY TOOLS TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. IF THE PUBLIC SAYS, I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF BUSSES PARKED NEXT TO WHEREVER I AM. SO JUST I GUESS THERE'S A QUESTION IN THERE SOMEWHERE. YEAH, I THINK OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS THEY HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD BECAUSE OF THE USE.
SO A BOARD WILL SEE IT. AND I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LIMITED USE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE AN INSTITUTION OR A PUBLIC FACILITY. THAT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME FOR CAR AND TRUCK.
THAT COULD BE ANYBODY. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY LIMITED USE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A WHOLE LOT OF, BUT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE TO GO TO A BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BOARD FOR THEM TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY KIND OF A RIGOROUS REVIEW PROCESS. SO BUT INSTITUTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE A CHURCH, RIGHT? SO IF A CHURCH HAD A BUNCH OF BUSSES, GENERALLY THE ANSWER IS YES TO THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT, GENERAL. THE ANSWER IS YES, THAT A CHURCH COULD FALL WITHIN AN INSTITUTIONAL USE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC DEFINITION IN OUR CODE OR IN THE REVISED CODE AS TO WHAT'S AN INSTITUTIONAL USE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT CASES OF PUBLIC USE TENDS TO WHERE AN INSTITUTIONAL USE TENDS TO FALL IN THOSE MUNICIPAL USES, NONPROFIT, THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, CHURCHES. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY BROADER IS BETTER, BUT IT ALLOWS THE, THE, THE CITY A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS THE USES AS THEY ARISE OR AS THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME OR USES CHANGE OVER TIME, THEY CAN THEY CAN ADAPT TO IT, RATHER THAN MAYBE LIMITING IT BY TRYING TO DEFINE IT. SO I GUESS, I MEAN, AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, I HAVE LESS OF A CONCERN ABOUT PUBLIC USE. I HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONCERN ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL USE THAT'S SO BROAD. WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION OF INSTITUTION IN THE CODE, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU PUT IN THE IN. YEAH. AN ORGANIZATION PROVIDING SOCIAL, CULTURAL, EDUCATIONAL, RELIGIOUS OR HEALTH SERVICES TO MEMBER AGENCIES, ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO PERMISSIVE IS, IS WHAT BEN SAID, JUST TO ALLOW THE CITY. BUT BUT WE'RE NOT JUST ALLOWING THE CITY. WE'RE ALLOWING SCHOOLS, OTHER TYPES OF INSTITUTIONAL USES, BUT IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO SCHOOLS. YEAH. SO I WAS, I DON'T KNOW, I'M A LITTLE I WASN'T AS I READ THROUGH THIS, I DON'T SEE WHY WE DON'T KEEP YOU PUT IT IN AS A CONDITIONAL USE SO THAT THERE'S AT LEAST SOME PUBLIC INPUT THAT'S ALLOWED ON IT, OR AT LEAST SOME TOOLS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN USE TO SORT OF ASSIST WITH, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT THAT THAT FLEET PARKING CAN HAVE ON ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENCES OR BUSINESSES AND SUCH. SO AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW.
AND I THINK WE, WE COULD MAKE IT A PUBLIC FLEET FACILITY AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE E E E E E E E E L DISTRICT PUBLIC AGENCY OR A TAX EXEMPT GOVERNMENTAL USE THAT WOULD NARROW THE USES AND WE CAN TAKE OUT THE INSTITUTIONAL USE. I WOULD PERSONALLY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT APPROACH, BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY RESPONSIVE TO ITS CITIZENS. RIGHT? CORRECT. YOU KNOW, SO I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO THE BROADER I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS FEEL. I LIKE
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THE WAY YOU KIND OF PUT THAT IT JUST SPLITTING THEM OUT. I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. ME TOO.INSTITUTIONAL IS A LITTLE BIT COULD BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
SO WHERE DOES THIS NUMBER 25 ACRES COME? WAS IT IS IT BASED ON SOME CALCULATION OR. YEAH, I THINK WE JUST LOOKED AT THE SIZE OF LAND IN THE BUSINESS PARK. OKAY. BECAUSE 25 ACRES OF A FLEET FACILITY, CLOSE TO ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH JUST 25FT SETBACK CAN BE A LOT. SO IT SAYS THAT THE SETBACKS WOULD BE 40FT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND 25FT FROM OTHER BOUNDARIES. SO IF THERE ARE HOUSES THERE AND THERE'S A 25 ACRES OF FLEET FACILITY, THAT'S A LOT OF NOISE WITH NO CONTROL OVER NOISE OR LIGHTING. YEAH, I THINK THE 25FT WAS JUST COMMON WITH THE OTHER FLEET FACILITY. SO I MEAN, WE COULD INCREASE THAT AS WELL.
OR MAYBE IT IT SHOULD DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE FLEET FACILITY INSTEAD OF 25 ACRES. IF IT IS SMALLER, THEN MAYBE 25FT IS OKAY. BUT IF IT IS THAT LARGE, THEN 25FT IS PROBABLY NOT SUFFICIENT. YEAH, THAT'S ALSO THE BASE CODE IS A 25 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN COMMERCIALRC AND THAT THAT NUMBER WAS JUST PULLED OVER FROM THE EXISTING CODE SECTION AS WELL. IT COULD CERTAINLY BE BEEFED UP. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF 25 ACRE SITES IN THE BUSINESS PARK, IT'S NOT A LOT. IT'S A HANDFUL OF THEM. SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT ALSO ONE SITE WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO IN THE BUSINESS PARK AND 25 ACRES KIND OF JUST MAKE SURE THAT THESE DON'T END UP GOING EVERYWHERE. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ACRES. SO BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE LOCATED IN THE BUSINESS PARK TODAY IS AMONGST A BUNCH OF DATA CENTERS. SO THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, OKAY. AND ARE THEY GOING TO BE GOVERNED BY CERTAIN OPERATIONAL HOURS? LIGHTING. I KNOW THAT YOU SAID ROUTINE REPAIR IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT IS COUNTED AS ROUTINE REPAIR, WHAT IS NOT COUNTED AS ROUTINE REPAIR. YEAH. I THINK ALSO TOO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE REGULATIONS AND THEREFORE I WILL TELL YOU THAT OUT IN THE BUSINESS PARK, IT'S A 247 OPERATION OUT THERE.
SO WHATEVER IS BEING DONE ON THIS SITE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT. IT'S NOT GOING HAPPENING ADJACENT SITES. THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS ABOUT THAT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OPERATING RESPONSIBILITY RESPONSIBLY AND NOT HAVING A BUNCH OF STUFF OUTSIDE, LIKE OUTDOOR STORAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE EXPECT THIS TO OPERATE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER USE OUT THERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE BUSINESS PARK THAN IT IS NEXT TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. SOME OF YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THE BUS GARAGE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO MOVE JUST SOUTH OF THE NOTTINGHAM TRACE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE RECEIVED A LOT OF NEGATIVE PUSHBACK ON THAT. SEE IT BEING NEXT TO A SUBDIVISION. SO PART OF THIS, IN ADDITION TO HELPING SOLVE AN ISSUE WITH KITZMILLER WETLAND PARK, ALSO REMOVES THAT USE AND ALLOWS IT TO BE INTEGRATED INTO MORE COMPATIBLE USES ON THE BUSINESS PARK. THESE USES HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO IT IS KIND OF I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOT 1 OR 2 SITES WITH THEM, EXPANDING THEIR EXISTING SITE OR RELOCATING NEXT TO NOTTINGHAM TRACE. AND NEITHER SITE REALLY WORKED. BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE AND COMMUNITY. UNDER SECTION 115302 THERE'S A CHART AND IT HAS TWO COLUMNS ON THE RIGHT WITHOUT A HEADER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER CODE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT.
OH YEAH, IT IS JUST GENERAL EMPLOYMENT AND LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AS OPPOSED TO THIS.
THIS IS TAKEN FROM. YEAH. THESE TWO RIGHT HERE THE TWO COLUMNS. IT'S LIMITED INDUSTRIAL. AND IT'S. SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THAT. YEAH. AS I GO DOWN THERE I SEE IT. GOT THE TWO PAGER IS THE ONE WITH TWO SHEETS IS A SUBSET OF THE WHOLE THING. FURTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON FLEET PARKING? JUST A QUICK PROCEDURAL. DO YOU SORT OF REVISE IT AND BRING IT BACK FOR US TO LOOK OR. YEAH. OR IF, YOU COULD CONDT WE TAKE OUT THE INSTITUTIONAL AND JUST CHANGE IT TO PUBLIC. WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY. DIDN'T MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL.
YES, WE DO NEED A RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE LOOKING AT IT IN A REVISED FASHION BEFORE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. IN THAT
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CHART THERE'S NOT A TIME CONSTRAINT ISSUE OR ANYTHING. I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT DO WE KNOW WHEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS? IT WOULD BE. I KNOW WHEN THIS IS GOING TO COUNCIL, SO LET ME SEE. OR YEAH. AND CAN YOU GO TO THE COUNCIL. SO YEAH, IT COULD GO THE NIGHT BEFORE COUNCIL. SO IT COULD GO NOVEMBER 16TH. OKAY. OR COME BACK TO YOU. NOVEMBER 16TH.NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER. YEAH. DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO TABLE OR IS SINCE IT'S OTHER BUSINESS IT JUST STAYS THERE. I THINK THAT IT CAN JUST STAY THERE. OKAY. THEN THE SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES ARE PERMISSIBLE. LIKE IS THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD ALWAYS BE CONDITIONAL.
THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PERMIT THEM SOMEWHERE IN YOUR CITY. THOSE ARE THE LIMITATION TEXTS THAT WE DO LIKE. THE ONE YOU SERVE TONIGHT PROHIBITS THEM, BUT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO ALLOW THEM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME ZONING CLASS. YOU MUST HAVE IT AS A PERMITTED USE, CORRECT? OKAY. THEY GOT THE SHORT STRAW. YES. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, DID ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WANTED TO ADD MINUS US? YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST PUBLIC, I KNOW. NEIL, DID YOU SAY YOU WANT ELECTRIC CHARGING INCLUDED IN THIS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO DO EXPLICITLY INCLUDED AS, AS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD DO HERE? OKAY, OKAY. NO DOUBT. PERFECT. ANY OTHER ON THIS THAT TAKES US TO ITEM EIGHT PULL MEMBERS FOR COMMENT. IS THERE NO COMMENTS HERE, DAVE? NOTHING. THANK YOU. BRUCE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.